June 09, 2013

Out of the Mouths of Liberals: Denial [OregonMuse]
— Open Blogger

Last week, I solicited responses to the question, what is the dumbest thing ever said to you by a liberal, and thanks to you morons, the thread was pure comedy gold.

I think what surprised me the most, although maybe it shouldn't have, were the examples where the liberal simply refused to look at contrary evidence, even when the conservative held it up right in front of their face. Here are some examples:

99 My ultra-Leftist sister told me she could never vote Republican because of slavery, the Ku Klux Klan and the plight of the American Indian.
I informed my sister that the Republican Party was founded by fifty men determined to end slavery, that her Democrats tore America in two and went to war in defense of slavery, that her Democrats founded and controlled the Ku Klux Klan, and that the Trail of Tears was the direct result of a lawless Democrat president choosing to ignore the ruling of the Supreme Court.
She told me that "everyone knows that none of that is true."
I offered her three history books. She refused to take them.
Posted by: Sam Adams at June 01, 2013 12:19 PM (ECDAN)

221 91 This isn't quite as stupid but my father, who has a PhD in mechanical engineering so he's no dummy, told me that Bush lied and the Republicans forced the authorization of force through the Senate. I told him that the Democrats controlled the senate in September 2001.
He wouldn't look at my phone when I pulled it up on the internet.
Posted by: Timon at June 01, 2013 12:17 PM (LGDTn)

200 "Margret Sanger was not a racist eugenicist!"
Upon showing him a website to the contrary (this was before Wikipedia) he declared it to be conservatively biased.
The website in question: Columbia University's History Department.
Posted by: tsrblke at June 01, 2013 12:41 PM (GaqMa)

555 Another otherwise bright co-worker was upset that Military Spending was more than the US GDP. When I pointed out that it was more around 5% or less of GDP he said I didn't know what I was talking about. When I sent him a link to the government figures he responded "Everyone is entitled to their own facts."
Yes, really. He said that.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 01, 2013 05:56 PM (SzAZ7)


Isn't that bizarre? And we're not talking about opposing opinions based on subtle differences of interpretive nuance, but simple, bare-bones facts that everyone ought to know. You can argue about the truthfulness of the fact, or the accuracy of the fact, or the significance of the fact, or the relevance of the fact, but to simply pretend the fact isn't there makes me wonder how it's possible to even talk to these people, much less reason with them.

Oh, and one more amusing item. I gave some examples of stupid liberal crap just to get the ball rolling, including this one:

"The main stream media are hopelessly biased in favour of the right - a result of the fact that they are owned by mega-corporations."

"Mega corporations" of course being the number 1 bad guy in the progressive left cosmology. So, after giving this as a prime example of liberal dumbass-itude, along comes one of our clueless resident trolls with:

527 The main stream media is biased towards earning the mega corporations that own them the largest profits possible.
Posted by: occam at June 01, 2013 04:32 PM (DAHhf)

See what the halfwit troll did there? He all but cut and pasted the original dumb-assed comment and presented it as serious wisdom.

Of course, he'll probably claim he was being ironic.

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1 I can haz internetz?

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 04:47 PM (sdi6R)

2 Yay!

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 04:47 PM (sdi6R)

3 Here's what I think happened.The left,masters of projection saw this program and said "think about what Bush can do with this data politically" and were of course against it.Once in power it became "think about what we could do with this date POLITICALLY,let's expand it".

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 04:47 PM (9XBK2)

4 I've been off for over an hour. Some Comcast shenanigans.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 04:47 PM (sdi6R)

5 to simply pretend the fact isn't there makes me wonder how it's possible to even talk to these people, much less reason with them. I've given up on it, frankly.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 04:49 PM (sdi6R)

6 3 Of course refers to the NSA bombshell that I missed the earlier thread on.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 04:49 PM (9XBK2)

7 It really is hopeless. They have their own set of "facts" and cannot be reasoned with.

They probably think the same thing about us.

Posted by: Valiant at June 09, 2013 04:49 PM (aFxlY)

8 I used to think ironing out the foundation and logic of my beliefs was the key to persuasion.     

Now that I have seen leftism, I'm not so sure of that any more.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 09, 2013 04:50 PM (A4irB)

9 Your daily reminder: This is a criminal regime.

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at June 09, 2013 04:50 PM (6sqK6)

10 >> Another otherwise bright co-worker was upset that Military Spending was more than the US GDP That's a neat trick, since government spending is a component of GDP.

Posted by: Andy at June 09, 2013 04:50 PM (li+aS)

11 You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into. My advice is to simply keep repeating the truth, and leave it to the idiot liberals to try to prove you wrong. In the process of looking up the information, some of them may realize you were right. They might not tell you, but a lot can be accomplished when you don't worry about getting credit for it.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (bb5+k)

12 I have noticed this same thing. A true Democrat is quite capable of denying that the sky is blue. What they really want to be is back in High School and part of the cool kids. They never got over it. And now, they can be a member of the clique by saying and thinking the right things.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (gWHwW)

13 Another thing is that the left always engages in projection. They constantly accuse their opponents (or "enemies", if you will) of doing precisely the things they themselves would do if they were in power.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (sdi6R)

14 That's a neat trick, since government spending is a component of GDP. Posted by: Andy at June 09, 2013 08:50 PM (li+aS) No, that math works. If you're in the 11th Dimension.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (GEICT)

15 No true devotee of the left is open to persuasion from arguments(events may effect them ie 9/11).The one's who can be turned are the low information types who think they are leftists because the "cool" people are.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (9XBK2)

16 They probably think the same thing about us. Posted by: Valiant at June 09, 2013 08:49 PM (aFxlY) They do. A lot of people look at the world through confirmation bias.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 04:52 PM (bb5+k)

17 They've changed the way GDP is calculated again,of course in their favor.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 04:53 PM (9XBK2)

18 College professor's well educated, well spoken wife; We need to save the rainforests so we need to prevent people from cutting and burning.

Me- Yes the rainforests are important but the people cut and burn them so they can feed themselves.

Her- Well, they should just do something else.

Me- (aneurism)

Posted by: typo dynamofo at June 09, 2013 04:54 PM (WVMUQ)

19 Mmmmm, smells all fresh and sparkly in here.  Thanks, OM!!

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (8lmkt)

20 18 To the hardcore leftist that ,"something else" is to die.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 04:56 PM (9XBK2)

21 I have a co-worker who has children and grand children. I am convinced that if the Democrat Party arranged to ass rape one of her 4 year old grand children on the steps of Capitol Hill, if that 4 year old kid pulled a democratic Union train a mile long, that she would still 1) Deny that it happened, even as the poor kid was stitched up and 2) Blame Republicans, even though it was fully televised and all perpetrators identified, caught and punished. With images of the cancelled checks supporting the Democrat Party fully available on the internet.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:56 PM (gWHwW)

22 Regarding #99 from Sam Adams. Most people who are ignorant about American history at least know that Lincoln was a republican.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 09, 2013 04:56 PM (qAtlQ)

23 I think our local Dunce#1-3 have that cat-feces brain parasite so they may not be typical of the liberal breed.

Posted by: toby928© Alabama Alumnus and Native Texan, now with twice the insufferability at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (QupBk)

24 The Left® is about emotion not fact.  Trying to use facts with them is useless.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 09, 2013 04:58 PM (1hekh)

25 You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

Yes, this.  Much like my sister, who has never, ever read a newspaper or had a serious conversation, whose head is full of little sparkly cupcakes she mistakenly believes are the smart things to think.  No amount of racist-y fact-talking is going to change them.

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 04:58 PM (8lmkt)

26 15 No true devotee of the left is open to persuasion from arguments(events may effect them ie 9/11).The one's who can be turned are the low information types who think they are leftists because the "cool" people are. Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 08:51 PM (9XBK2) I was on the left when I was in my 20s, but I don't think I was a low information type. Then again, I may not have been a true devotee either. "Coolness" was probably a factor. Discovering and reading Ayn Rand massively and thoroughly changed my worldview, but I think I was already beginning to "turn" before then. A great website for political "changers" is Neo-neocon. http://neoneocon.com/ She's written extensively about her political evolution, and a number of the regular commenters have also made the switch.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 04:58 PM (sdi6R)

27 Attention ground units. Anti-citizen activity has been detected online.

Code: Block. Cauterize. Stabilize.

Posted by: Combine AI at June 09, 2013 04:59 PM (qrHMp)

28 Advantage to living in a red county in a red state. I don't know that many liberals. Although I have heard an otherwise intelligent friend says things similar about military spending and GDP. He's a low info (mostly) conservative so I wasn't that surprised.

Posted by: Adam at June 09, 2013 04:59 PM (Aif/5)

29 Be careful when arguing with leftists. Some of them will have plenty of predigested factoids and "scientific" studies. If you argue with them, you'd better have facts from sources they can't dispute and be ready to present them. If you are not an expert in the field, do not act like one (e.g. with "Global Warming"). Be familiar with their arguments and have facts ready to counter them. Do not get put into a position where you have the burden of proof, but where they do. Bove all else, never quote Rush, or Foxnews, &c.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 09, 2013 05:00 PM (Vk2pI)

30

I missed the original thread; here are my two favorites:

Senator Ted Kennedy allegedly once said he was appalled that half of the American people earn less than the median income. I doubt the truth of the story, but then again, it's Ted Kennedy.

During college, late 70s, a buddy and I (both of our dads worked in the oil business) were talking to a sociology prof about the energy crisis. Dr.  K said he couldn't understand how anyone could be in business solely to make money. My buddy and I were speechless. 

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:01 PM (YlUYT)

31 Here's a committed leftist. Bob Zubrin, sometime PJM contributor and the author of Merchants of Despair: Radical Environmentalists, Criminal Pseudo-Scientists, and the Fatal Cult of Antihumanism, writing at the NRO Corner, shares his thoughts on his recent debate with Colorado State’s Phil Cafaro: Cafaro is a leading radical anti-humanist. A professor of philosophy at Colorado State University and president of the International Society for Environmental Ethics, he has published numerous articles and a book calling for shackling humanity with all sorts of chains, ranging from mandatory recycling, to limits on meat consumption, airplane travel, and the size of houses, to stiff carbon taxes, immigration restriction, and population control. He also urges the abandonment of Judaeo-Christian ethics and human rights. According to Cafaro, the world population needs to be reduced to 2 billion and the U.S. population to 100 million. “The last thing the world needs is more Americans,” he says. On May 13, I got a chance to debate him. The debate was occasioned by a guest commentary that Cafaro penned in the February 11 Denver Post, in which he advanced the argument that immigration needs to be sharply cut, because otherwise people from Third World nations might come to the United States and become prosperous, and thereby add to global warming. “And make no mistake,” warned the philosopher. “Immigrants are not coming to the United States to remain poor. Those hundreds of millions of new citizens will want to live as well and consume energy at the same rates as other Americans. . . . What climate change mitigation measures . . . could possibly equal the increased greenhouse gas emissions we would lock in by adding 145 million more new citizens to our population?” I rebutted this on NRO on February 21: “This is truly remarkable. Conservative immigration skeptics have voiced the concern that immigrants might not assimilate and achieve success, and even common xenophobes have never objected to would-be immigrants attaining prosperity elsewhere. But according to Cafaro’s liberal argument, the wretched of the Earth must be kept poor wherever they reside, because otherwise they would ruin the weather for the rest of us. Following this logic, the United States should adopt the role of the world’s oppressor, enforcing the continuation of poverty around the globe. But why stop there? We have millions of poor people right here in America who hope to rise into the middle class. Surely we must stop them from doing so.”

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 05:01 PM (9XBK2)

32 Daily kos kids are petitioning the JEF to pardon Snowden. Inneresting

Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:01 PM (nH8jP)

33 I heard OFA pays on the 15th of the month, I guess the trolls need to get their post count up.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 09, 2013 05:02 PM (wR+pz)

34 Most people who are ignorant about American history at least know that Lincoln was a republican.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 09, 2013 08:56 PM (qAtlQ)


There was a female poster here who told a story about being out somewhere and she was having a conversation with a black woman.  Don't remember the specifics but I remember her telling us that in the course of the conversation she said Lincoln was a Republican.  The woman did not believe her.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 09, 2013 05:03 PM (X6akg)

35 from the dailymail "Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former CIA technical assistant, says he passed the classified information that blew open a number of intense surveillance operations, to the media because he doesn't 'want to live in a society that does these sort of things.' Snowden, who now works for Booz Allen Hamilton, a defense contractor for the National Security Agency, caused a firestorm after he leaked the sensitive documents to The Guardian over several days of interviews." is this a snowden of yesteryear?

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 09, 2013 05:03 PM (8JJ6O)

36 Nuts. That should be "Anti-civil".

Posted by: Combine AI at June 09, 2013 05:05 PM (qrHMp)

37 Worst ignorance from a lefty I ever had to deal with was on 9/11. We're watching the towers burn and this guy says "So what? We do things like this all the time in other countries."

My boss had to calm me down and get me to step out for a bit.

Posted by: NR Pax at June 09, 2013 05:05 PM (U+O64)

38 So basically liberals are retarded.

Posted by: Berserker at June 09, 2013 05:05 PM (FMbng)

39 Lincoln said "A man changed against his will, will be of the same opinion still" Fact do not sway true believers.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 09, 2013 05:06 PM (wR+pz)

40 So basically liberals are retarded.

In a nutshell, Bers.

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 05:06 PM (8lmkt)

41 @37 Kudos- At least I'd be on parole by now. So there's that.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 09, 2013 05:07 PM (4Mv1T)

42 Is this a "Tom Sawyer" free zone, or did the ban hammer hit him?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 09, 2013 05:07 PM (wR+pz)

43 I have a co-worker who has children and grand children. I am convinced that if the Democrat Party arranged to ass rape one of her 4 year old grand children on the steps of Capitol Hill, if that 4 year old kid pulled a democratic Union train a mile long, that she would still 1) Deny that it happened, even as the poor kid was stitched up and 2) Blame Republicans, even though it was fully televised and all perpetrators identified, caught and punished. With images of the cancelled checks supporting the Democrat Party fully available on the internet. Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 08:56 PM (gWHwW) Part of the absolute intransigence of people regarding the Democrat party is that to do something different, they have to admit they made a mistake. Many people simply can't cross that boundary without dire compulsion to do so.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:08 PM (bb5+k)

44
No, that math works. If you're in the 11th Dimension. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 08:51 PM (GEICT)


I didn't know CAC was in charge of military spending.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 05:08 PM (Gk3SS)

45 I have a friend from elementary school who was screeching that all Republicans want to do is tell people how to live. She felt they behaved like fascists....all during the Bush 43 years. I asked her the other day how she felt about the fact that her twelve year old daughter could get both Plan B or abortion without her knowledge. Also, how was she liking Big Momma's push for "eating right". Mind you, this is courtesy of her party. Yea...still waiting on that answer.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 05:09 PM (wiJTg)

46 42 Is this a "Tom Sawyer" free zone, or did the ban hammer hit him? Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 09, 2013 09:07 PM (wR+pz) I think we're troll free at the moment

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 05:09 PM (GEICT)

47 31 We have millions of poor people right here in America who hope to rise into the middle class. Surely we must stop them from doing so.” Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 09:01 PM (9XBK2) And the radical eco-leftists believe the middle class should be driven into poverty as well.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 05:09 PM (sdi6R)

48 I've said it here before. I have a fair number of smart, educated, self employed, middle aged friends who are successful participants in capitalism, but vote blue every time. I don't grasp it for a minute.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 09, 2013 05:09 PM (4Mv1T)

49 They have been given the keys to the hidden truth by their Democrat overlords.  It has devolved into a gnostic mystery religion.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (TCGmg)

50 It's always fun reminding the progs that but for the Republican Party, LBJ's Civil Rights Act would've gone down in flames. It split the Democratic Party, leading to George Wallace and, <drumroll>, Richard Nixon.

Posted by: RS at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (YAGV/)

51 from the dailymail

"Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former CIA technical assistant, says he passed the classified information that blew open a number of intense surveillance operations, to the media because he doesn't 'want to live in a society that does these sort of things.' Snowden, who now works for Booz Allen Hamilton, a defense contractor for the National Security Agency, caused a firestorm after he leaked the sensitive documents to The Guardian over several days of interviews."

is this a snowden of yesteryear?

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 09, 2013 09:03 PM (8JJ6O)


What can I say?  Snowden lost his guts.

Posted by: Yossarian at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (YCDYX)

52 TS - Twat Sucker?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (TCGmg)

53 I wonder if I did the right thing? I offered Snowden a free vacation to MA for a three way cluster-muck with my husband and I. Look, I offered him a butt plug and a free absentee ballot. We were going to digital film it for my collection. He voted for Barky. What could go wrong?

Posted by: Barney F. at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (m5Tr1)

54 Yes, this. Much like my sister, who has never, ever read a newspaper or had a serious conversation, whose head is full of little sparkly cupcakes she mistakenly believes are the smart things to think. No amount of racist-y fact-talking is going to change them. Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 08:58 PM (8lmkt) Exactly right. Sometimes people believe weird things because people they associate with and who are their friends, also believe those weird things. Cold harsh reality is often just a bummer that no one wants to face.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:11 PM (bb5+k)

55 How will JEF convince libtards that he, too, is a victim of PRISM?

Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:11 PM (nH8jP)

56 @41: At least I'd be on parole by now. So there's that.

To make things worse, I was on Active Drill status in the Corps at the time so things were getting driven home right then and there.

Posted by: NR Pax at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (U+O64)

57 20 18 To the hardcore leftist that ,"something else" is to die.
Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 08:56 PM


Like the poor Indians (dot, but also feather) who were forced to do their native dances for tourists to earn a living.  Eating is demeaning, I guess.

Posted by: huerfano at June 09, 2013 05:13 PM (bAGA/)

58 I didn't know CAC was in charge of military spending. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 09:08 PM (Gk3SS) Lemme just say, I could really fucking go for a nice big fat bowl right about now. I could do with laughing and eating some damn funyons.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 05:13 PM (GEICT)

59 My twenty-something nephew says that his lib friends are beside themselves at the the notion of clandestine surveillance on the inter-webs. One of the very few times the 'twain shall meet'.

Posted by: The Third Horesman Of The Apocalypse at June 09, 2013 09:08 PM (vbh31)


The problem is that we really aren't meeting.  They believe there should be NO surveillance at all (except maybe Republicans) while we want surveillance on people who want to kill us but with judicial oversight.  The only meeting is that we both think Barry went too far this time.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 09, 2013 05:13 PM (1hekh)

60 Lemme just say, I could really fucking go for a nice big fat bowl right about now. I could do with laughing and eating some damn funyons. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 09:13 PM (GEICT)



I have never found that I need any chemical assistance to do either.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 05:15 PM (Gk3SS)

61 BCochran1981: OT, but see my 49 and 89 in the last thread. Thanks again!

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 05:15 PM (sdi6R)

62 So basically liberals are retarded. Posted by: Berserker at June 09, 2013 09:05 PM (FMbng) No. Some of them are quite intelligent and even well informed. (About other things, of course.) Deluded is a more accurate diagnosis. As Reagan said, "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant.... It's that they know so much which isn't so. "

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:15 PM (bb5+k)

63 I have never found that I need any chemical assistance to do either. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 09:15 PM (Gk3SS) But it doesn't hurt. 64 BCochran1981: OT, but see my 49 and 89 in the last thread. Thanks again! Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 09:15 PM (sdi6R) No prob. I saw em and thought they were fascinating. Apparently so did CDR M.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 05:17 PM (GEICT)

64 Lincoln said "A man changed against his will, will be of the same opinion still" Fact do not sway true believers. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 09, 2013 09:06 PM (wR+pz) Lincoln was a very clever and brilliant man. I think that's why he made such a hash of things. It is my observation that "Brilliant" Presidents often do far worse than plain ole average Joes. (Calvin Coolidge was a far better President than was Woodrow Wilson.)

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:17 PM (bb5+k)

65 About the events of today, for my liberal friends--since we have got a guy in China who, if he ends up staying there** will be a world-wide symbol of America imperialistic domination (they don't split it into "Blue good Red bad" the way you do) who is now eciled for telling the truth, and if he comes back here will be a man viewed as having been martyred; And since the IRS tax thing will resonate overseas, since it easily falls into the usual "thugs in power" meme; In this case, what do you think is going to be the American image if another case of skullduggery and hardball surfaces in a way to capture the world's attention? Would be a blow, wouldn't it. **The Chinese have a marvelous opportunity right now, but if they wanted an easy way out by neither handing him back nor having an asylum hearing, they could just quietly let the guy's visa expire, esp. If he has been there since the 20th of May.

Posted by: "Prognosticus" at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (u6IuP)

66 According to WZ there is some shit going down in Kabul.......Doesn't look too good.

Posted by: Molly k. at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (WgeYS)

67 My favorite is when the liberal inevitably claims that Obamacare is a "conservative idea".  And, therefore, the only reason Republicans oppose it is because Obama.  And racist.  Of course they mean the individual mandate, not the entirety of Obamacare, but that point seems lost on them.  I point out that when Republicans were in charge, they didn't implement an individual mandate.  I ask that if Republicans are so in love with the individual mandate, which rock-ribbed conservative red states decided to implement their own individual mandate? - no, only liberal blue Massachusetts did.  None of that matters. They simply are incapable of critical thinking on this matter.  Somewhere, Rachel Maddow or Chris Mathews told them this, and they believe it without question.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (5p18q)

68 Every time I talk to a libtards they are so shocked by some fact they had no clue about. Inquisitive they aint

Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (nH8jP)

69 Had an cousin's wife give me her genius theory on how to stop cocaine smuggling. Just offer the relevant latin Americans substitute crops....like coffee. Apparently, this savant thinks a crop that fetches about $10 per kilo (retail) is an acceptable substitute for a product that brings about $1000 on the wholesale market. She also didn't seem to think Columbians and Peruvians were aware of coffee as a cash crop. She had some substitute crops for poppy growers, but I had tuned out by then and was concentrating on looking down the front of her dress.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (PwV7G)

70 eciled=exiled

Posted by: "Prognosticus" at June 09, 2013 05:19 PM (u6IuP)

71 here's my contribution to out of the mouths of liberals at a fancy restaurant in maui, the waiter announces with total pride to our table.....this chef's restaurant in oahu is a favorite of the president ..... we all rolled our eyes and our friend said, "maybe we should reconsider eating here"....

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 09, 2013 05:20 PM (8JJ6O)

72 I was a liberal when I was 14. They have not moved past 14 politically.

Posted by: eleven at June 09, 2013 05:20 PM (fsLdt)

73 In this case, what do you think is going to be the American image if another case of skullduggery and hardball surfaces in a way to capture the world's attention? Would be a blow, wouldn't it. Posted by: "Prognosticus" at June 09, 2013 09:18 PM (u6IuP) The only "image" I care about for America is one of fear and respect. I could give a shit if anyone likes us. But you damn sure better fear us enough to show respect.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 05:20 PM (GEICT)

74 It's a simple as this: it's a lot easier to FEEL than it is to THINK. Intelectually, liberals are like a morbidly obese person who knows damn well the realities of caloric intake and exercise... but eats the donut anyway. The donut feels good, and the treadmill feels bad.

Posted by: weew at June 09, 2013 05:21 PM (ElfHn)

75 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 09:10 PM (TCGmg) Is this a newly found relative of the cow sucker snake?

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 05:21 PM (HiKk0)

76 I think what surprised me the most, although maybe it shouldn't have, were the examples where the liberal simply refused to look at contrary evidence, even when the conservative held it up right in front of their face. See, this is what I mean when I say that there is a difference between being stupid and being merely ignorant. Ignorance is predicated upon the absence of information. Once someone is informed of something, they are no longer ignorant of the topic and may proceed to form or re-form their opinion on the issue. STUPIDITY is what you get when someone is in full possession of the facts and ignores them. This is why I have absolutely no qualms about calling 95% of the leftists in this country monstrously, inexplicably, irreversibly STUPID. They are the kind of bone-chilling stupid that makes lobotomized goldfish pause in their pursuit of trying to headbutt their way out of their glass fishbowls and say, "Whoa, dude. That is some weapon's grade stupid right there. Wow." Never accuse a leftist of being ignorant. They don't deserve such dispensation. Call them stupid and know that you are simply telling them a truth they are too STUPID to believe anyway.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 09, 2013 05:21 PM (CA2NO)

77 Oh, and they all seem to think that we are hypnotized by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis.  Now THAT is projection, since they are hypnotized by Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow on a daily basis.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 05:21 PM (5p18q)

78 OT but serious, from twitter: "US embassy in Kabul confirms "on-going attack" in capital. Sirens sounding across embassy"

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:22 PM (YlUYT)

79 The ones still enchanted by TFG are every bit as senile as Chrissy Matthews.

Posted by: RWC at June 09, 2013 05:22 PM (Wl/Ht)

80 Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 09, 2013 09:22 PM (YlUYT) BBC and Telegraph are reporting it now.

Posted by: RWC at June 09, 2013 05:24 PM (Wl/Ht)

81 75 And like many spoiled 14-year-olds, they will NEVER admit that Dad is right. They'd rather sulk and call him a racist nazi.

Posted by: weew at June 09, 2013 05:24 PM (ElfHn)

82 15 No true devotee of the left is open to persuasion from arguments(events may effect them ie 9/11).The one's who can be turned are the low information types who think they are leftists because the "cool" people are.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 08:51 PM (9XBK2)


Yep. About 25-35% (depending on the poll) of  the country are radical leftists that would vote for democrats or communists automatically and cannot be turned. 30-40% of the country is "conservative" and are open to voting republican. The rest are "moderates" 25-35% (depending on the poll) who are mostly LIV's and vote where the winds take them and are open to persuasion.


I was in the latter (LIV) category about 7 years ago.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 09, 2013 05:24 PM (M1gmo)

83 You can find much lefty obtuseness on this site. I thought I would post some gems when the first request came up, but I didn't know where to start. http://aphilosopher.wordpress.com/

Posted by: WTP at June 09, 2013 05:24 PM (xVT49)

84

Woot Elevated to post level status.

And unlike Ace, Oregon Muse doesn't misspell my nic .

Posted by: tsrblke at June 09, 2013 05:26 PM (GaqMa)

85 "Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the
religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."

Winston Churchill (1899)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 09, 2013 05:26 PM (z4m16)

86 Regarding the leftists ignorance facts and data presented to them - it is why I think they should be 'Low Intelligence Voters' instead of 'Information.' They have a wealth of info at their disposal yet choose not to think about it critically.

Posted by: RWC at June 09, 2013 05:26 PM (Wl/Ht)

87 "No. Some of them are quite intelligent and even well informed. (About other things, of course.)


Deluded is a more accurate diagnosis. As Reagan said, "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant.... It's that they know so much which isn't so. ""


The trouble with liberals is their assumption that involuntary collective action is less costly than voluntary collective action.  From that one false assumption flow a million different stupid policies.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at June 09, 2013 05:26 PM (qleDs)

88 Republicans are so stupid.

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg, professional wit at June 09, 2013 05:26 PM (5H6zj)

89 An update on Kabul from Weasel Zippers.  Report is attack is on U.S. Air Force area at airport, reported suicide bombers in that area.

Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 05:27 PM (mjR67)

90 65 So basically liberals are retarded.

Posted by: Berserker at June 09, 2013 09:05 PM (FMbng)


No. Some of them are quite intelligent and even well informed. (About other things, of course.)

I just had a experience like that this week.  A guy who works for me, one of the best scientists I've ever met and a really good guy, made some comment about the evils of capitalism.  I pointed out that capitalism was the greatest force for lifting people out of misery and poverty in the history of mankind, well over a billion in the last 20 years alone.  He responded that it was at the price of some guy in North Carolina getting rich by shipping textile jobs overseas.  I told him I seriously doubted that the one billion cared about someone getting rich in NC because now they could feed their families.  I also asked him if he was familiar with the concept of comparative advantage, or had read Wealth of Nations.  His response: that's a very old book. 

I gave up.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 05:28 PM (6TB1Z)

91 Must've been a video. Muslim outreach to Muslim Brotherhood and "normalizing" relations with the Taliban working out great. Can't wait till we fully arm Al Qaeda in Syria. Terrific

Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:28 PM (nH8jP)

92

It's a simple as this: it's a lot easier to FEEL than it is to THINK.

Intelectually, liberals are like a morbidly obese person who knows damn well the realities of caloric intake and exercise... but eats the donut anyway.

The donut feels good, and the treadmill feels bad. Posted by: weew at June 09, 2013 09:21 PM (ElfHn)

 

And we have a winner!

Sadly this is the way the country is going. Logic is dead.

I just read an article by RSMcain today which talked about the ascendance of "scientific data" justifying behavior and morality and noted we used to have the "naturalistic fallacy" (or the Is/Ought problem) and people understood it and avoided it.

But no more.  Now nature is morality. (Rather than morality being what separates us from the rest of nature.)

Posted by: tsrblke at June 09, 2013 05:28 PM (GaqMa)

93 Narcissism is basically at the root of liberalism. There is an overblown sense of self worth that tells them they know better than any fact, any argument, or anyone. Yeah, they are that retarded.

Posted by: Berserker at June 09, 2013 05:28 PM (FMbng)

94 An update on Kabul from Weasel Zippers. Report is attack is on U.S. Air Force area at airport, reported suicide bombers in that area. Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 09:27 PM (mjR67) BASTARDS.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 09, 2013 05:29 PM (CA2NO)

95 We informed types are dismissive of Sean Hannity but he actually ideal for capturing low info pseudo-leftists.Think of him as conservative kindergarten.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 05:29 PM (9XBK2)

96 During my long drive through the bleak stretches of Illinois yesterday I actually pondered the difference between liberals and conservatives.

Liberals:
- think short-term
- are interested almost exclusively about results
- are interested almost exclusively about directly tangible outcomes

Conservatives:
- think long-term
- are interested more about process than about results
- are interested both in the tangible outcomes but also in the non-tangible outcomes

So when it comes to something like welfare, liberals see a poor woman living in poverty and say "the government should give her money".  And that's it.  No consideration for the moral hazards, no consideration for how the money was obtained in the first place (extracted from wealth creators), no consideration for concerns about economic liberty or any of that.

In other words, liberal "philosophy" is just shallow means-justify-the-ends nonsense.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (5p18q)

97 80 Oh, and they all seem to think that we are hypnotized by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis. Now THAT is projection, since they are hypnotized by Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow on a daily basis.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 09:21 PM (5p18q)


My liberal boss believes that Barack Obama comes to her in her dreams. They are TOTALLY hypnotized by their political figures, it is a cult.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (M1gmo)

98 Make. It. Glass.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (nH8jP)

99 The War on Terror is over!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (Aif/5)

100 "US embassy in Kabul confirms "on-going attack" in capital. Sirens sounding across embassy"
-------------------------

(yawn...) Well..., I think I'll wrap it up for tonight. Axelrod, see that I'm not disturbed until..., oh, 9:00 a.m.

Posted by: Barky O. at June 09, 2013 05:31 PM (aDwsi)

101 Peter King and some other whistleblower guy really came down hard on Mr. Snowden on Fox news tonight. very surprised they didn't have an opposing viewpoint on. The whistleblower guy said the leaker had "defected" to China which kind of stunned the host. Anyone else see that show?

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 05:31 PM (M/TDA)

102 er, ends-justify-the-means

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (5p18q)

103 The War on Terror is over! Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at June 09, 2013 09:30 PM (Aif/5) Do you think our Exalted Leader, the Mocha Messiah, will call this terrorism? Why do I doubt it?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (CA2NO)

104 - are interested almost exclusively about results

Sorry, Chemjeff, but I couldn't disagree more.  They're about striking a pose, not results.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (6TB1Z)

105 they are hypnotized by Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow on a daily basis. Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 09:21 PM (5p18q) Only a couple hundred thousand out of a hundred million

Posted by: Beto at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (MhA4j)

106 98 We informed types are dismissive of Sean Hannity but he actually ideal for capturing low info pseudo-leftists.Think of him as conservative kindergarten.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 09:29 PM (9XBK2)


So true! He speaks in a way that they can understand: talking point speak.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (M1gmo)

107
Sorry, Chemjeff, but I couldn't disagree more. They're about striking a pose, not results.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 09:32 PM (6TB1Z)


Well, yeah.  I suppose it should be rephrased as "interested almost exclusively on what they believe the result will be".

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 05:33 PM (5p18q)

108 Do you think our Exalted Leader, the Mocha Messiah, will call this terrorism? Why do I doubt it? --------- Hell I keep waiting for him to slip up and call them freedom fighters.

Posted by: Adam at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (Aif/5)

109 I denounce myself beforehand, but stopped by Fisherman's Wharf today and was shocked, SHOCKED walking through the crowd until I noticed by the register 'We accept SNAP/EBT.' Wanted to yell 'You're Welcome!'

Posted by: RWC at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (Wl/Ht)

110 Peter King is one of those Republicans that really would sacrifice any freedom for security.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (9XBK2)

111 104 Peter King and some other whistleblower guy really came down hard on Mr. Snowden on Fox news tonight. very surprised they didn't have an opposing viewpoint on. The whistleblower guy said the leaker had "defected" to China which kind of stunned the host. Anyone else see that show?

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 09:31 PM (M/TDA)


The same Peter King who had a hissy fit because Ted Cruz came to a rally in NY state. He is just as bad as John McCain and miss Lindsey.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (M1gmo)

112 No, that math works. If you're in the 11th Dimension. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 08:51 PM (GEICT) I've always wondered if they have boobs in the 11th Dimension. I don't think I could go on living if they don't.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 09, 2013 05:35 PM (V1ZIU)

113 "The main stream media are hopelessly biased in favour of the right - a result of the fact that they are owned by mega-corporations."

That's the favorite refrain from Eric Alterman.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 09, 2013 05:35 PM (fnPRp)

114 I be that Chick, this is for you.... 425 Oolh, Maryland crab cake wars! H&M restaurant in Linthicum (near BWI airport) has GREAT crab cakes. I also really like the crab cake sandwich at Moe's Seafood down in Little Italy in B'more. One of the best. For Burgers, although Ray's Hellburger is now defunct, Ray's to the Third is still in Arlington, on N Quinn St. Still makes the Hellburger there. Have a chocolate shake, while you're at it. Just like they made at the old soda fountains. For a great steak dinner in DC, the Capitol Grill in DC is very good, but very pricey. 601 Pennsylvania Ave NW, near the Verizon Center. If you like jazz, I had a great meal at the 701 Restaurant and sat right next to the pianist and bass guitar duo. Food is American with a continental twist. Very nouveau. Decor is gorgeous! lots of glass but almost an Art Deco feel to it. Waiters are extremely professional. Right at the Navy Memorial on Pennsylvania Ave.

Posted by: FordCityKathy at June 09, 2013 05:35 PM (moC+6)

115 Liberals:
- think short-term
- are interested almost exclusively about results

=====


I'd argue this one.  Liberals couldn't give a crap about results.  Look at all their 'feel good' programs.  Zero results.....or negative results.  Yet, they 'feel good' about what they did.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 09, 2013 05:36 PM (X6akg)

116 113 Peter King is one of those Republicans that really would sacrifice any freedom for security.Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 09:34 PM (9XBK2)
He totally lost me over the Hurricane Sandy kerfluffle.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 09, 2013 05:36 PM (fnPRp)

117 Cleverness is essentially an agility in leaping from one point to the next. If you're truly humble on your search for truth, those leaps are likely to be the chain of thinking that leads to being right. But if you allow your intelligence to be the servant of your ego -- which happens all-too-often with smart people who are enthralled by their own smartness, who naturally congregate under the banner of a political banner that fetishizes "smartness" --then your ego is directing the direction of the leaping, and it becomes a circle-the-wagons path of self-defense. Alas the more clever you are, the better you are at persuading yourself that curved lines are actually straight...

Posted by: Sister Sestina at June 09, 2013 05:36 PM (ESbvS)

118 Re: Hannity and a message to the masses. If anyone here has ever read "Mere Christianity" by C.S Lewis, you know how powerful it is. Yet it is a compilation of radio addresses written for the masses. Lewis lowers his altitude by about 10-20,000 feet for that material, and what a powerful thing he did.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 09, 2013 05:36 PM (4Mv1T)

119 Which is why we should have to pass a basic civics test to be able to vote. On the other hand...give this criminal regime enough time and all of those aforementioned 'liberal beliefs' will become 'facts.' Commie playbook #2.

Posted by: JQP at June 09, 2013 05:36 PM (GVL0g)

120 111 Okay that reminded me of this song.We'd only need to change the lyrics slightly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm71Khu5-Lk

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (9XBK2)

121 I've always wondered if they have boobs in the 11th Dimension. I don't think I could go on living if they don't. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 09, 2013 09:35 PM (V1ZIU) Boobs are existential. They are present in all possible dimensions and universes.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (GEICT)

122 Ya know, I have to wonder what they really think a "corporation" is.  They must think that a corporate board meeting is akin to some sort of Satanic ritual.  Do they even understand at all what a corporation actually is?

You know what will really freak them out?  Tell them that all of the major unions are actually organized as.... *corporations*.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (5p18q)

123 Part of the absolute intransigence of people regarding the Democrat party is that to do something different, they have to admit they made a mistake. Many people simply can't cross that boundary without dire compulsion to do so. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 09:08 PM (bb5+k) Some people *are* their opinions. If they don't realize that all humans are flawed, and, therefore, they are flawed, they will react in the manner we see everyday. A short word for this: pride.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (Su0W2)

124 You can't argue the truthfulness of a fact.  A fact, by definition, is true.  You can argue the truthfulness of a sentence, or a proposition.  Not a fact.

Posted by: Demosthenes at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (okNST)

125 Conservative corporations that own the media: Ted Turner. Disney. GE (Obama MegaDonor). NPR. The Schulzbergers. Etc., etc., etc.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (MMC8r)

126 101 Make. It. Glass. Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 09:30 PM (nH8jP) The problem with that stance is that at some point, and it may already happened before, is that Obama will think to himself, "How could I make the MSM praise me for detonating a nuke on a red state.?" And blame the Chinese?

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (gWHwW)

127 Somewhere, Rachel Maddow or Chris Mathews told them this, and they believe it without question. Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 09:18 PM (5p18q) And this really IS a big part of the problem. People don't believe something unless the talking heads on Television tell them. The Media swings election by what it does, and does not, TELL, the goofy bastards in the middle.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (bb5+k)

128 Tami, the bottom tier foot soldiers of the socialist progressive FSA are kept in line by the lies told to them that they are doing good things by their actions.

And people talk about the Children's Crusade as if its an aberration and abomination caused by the religious faithful without realizing we are seeing a similar one right now with the FSA/OWS bunch.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (TCGmg)

129 ok, this is too perfect, but I swear it's true:
 
Her:  nobody needs a gun.
Me:  gun ownership actually saves more lives than it 'costs,' a lot more.
Her:  don't spout your statistics at me!  I know how I FEEL !!
 

Posted by: Joe Doaks at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (auzCl)

130 @120

Very nicely put.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 05:39 PM (6TB1Z)

131 Some of them are quite intelligent and even well informed.

Indeed!

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at June 09, 2013 05:39 PM (qrHMp)

132 I'd argue this one. Liberals couldn't give a crap about results. Look at all their 'feel good' programs. Zero results.....or negative results. Yet, they 'feel good' about what they did.

Posted by: Tami at June 09, 2013 09:36 PM (X6akg)


What I mean by this, is that they don't really care how a particular result was obtained.


If a poor guy got a government welfare check and was now suddenly not as poor, the liberal would consider this to be a "success" without any consideration on how the money was obtained, how the money was distributed, and what the money was ultimately spent on.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 05:39 PM (5p18q)

133 Nothing existential in this link.  Odd and weird perhaps.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2013/02/11/wonder-festival-2013-winter-cosplay/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:40 PM (TCGmg)

134 Oh, and they all seem to think that we are hypnotized by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis. Now THAT is projection, since they are hypnotized by Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow on a daily basis. Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 09:21 PM (5p18q) This is another reason why they make me laugh with their stupidity. Leftists cannot form their own opinions. They have to be fed their opinions by other people. Their mental apparatus for analyzing information and drawing conclusions is so feeble and stunted that the act of trying to form an original thought causes a great deal of anxiety for your average leftist. This is why they spend their money on life coaches and therapists, and spend their evenings watching MSNBC to learn what they're supposed to think. Since leftists cannot form their own thoughts or opinions, they assume that those of us on the right are the same. I find it hilarious that they think we worship at the altar of the Koch brothers (who I'd never even HEARD of before the last election, and could give a shit about in general), or Hannity or Limbaugh or Beck. They don't seem to realize that, even when we agree with these figures, we also DISAGREE with them. We actually have our own mindthoughts and don't mind putting them into mouthwords. They WILL NOT believe this. They won't. Try to tell them that the Tea Party movemnt doesn't have a leader and they will laugh in your face and tell you it's Palin, or it's Beck, or it's Bachmann, or it's the Kochs. They have no concept of a group of like-minded individuals coming together for a common goal. Everything on the left MUST be controlled from a central power, or it all falls apart.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 09, 2013 05:40 PM (CA2NO)

135 99 Liberals: - are interested almost exclusively about results Conservatives: - are interested more about process than about results Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 09:30 PM (5p18q) I've noted that before. This is why, whatever your opinion about abortion, Roe v. Wade was a bad decision. Conservatives believe that there are rules that must be followed. The Constitution says nothing about Federal government involvement in abortion. The 10th amendment says it should be left to the states. Liberals focused entirely on their desired end, i.e. legal abortion. They didn't care whether the rules had to be bent or broken to achieve their desired outcome.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 05:40 PM (sdi6R)

136 And like many spoiled 14-year-olds, they will NEVER admit that Dad is right. They'd rather sulk and call him a racist nazi. Posted by: weew at June 09, 2013 09:24 PM (ElfHn) This.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:40 PM (bb5+k)

137 The funny thing,the bigger the corporation the more they have to gain by getting cozy with the government.FDR understood this,as did Hitler.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 05:41 PM (9XBK2)

138 @ 135

You're forgetting that the liberal would also not consider what use the money MIGHT have gone for.  The unseen, baby.  Bastiat.  Hazlitt.

Liberal:  "What?  Who?"

Exactly.

Posted by: Demosthenes at June 09, 2013 05:41 PM (okNST)

139 @steevy what do conservatives like you say that are at a higher level than what Hannity says? Hannity seems to have a good grasp on conservative concepts and it isn't like it is rocket science anyway.

Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 09, 2013 05:41 PM (7zSvv)

140 I think it is a mistake to regard Libs as uniformly stupid. To be sure, the leadership relies in ignorant voters. But for a fact, they would not hold the Academy, the Presidency, the Senate, or the media if they really were dull, short term thinkers. Obamacare became the law of the land because of some strategic decisions as well as dumb luck. Whatever they might not know is more than compensated by their ability to manipulate those who know the least.

Posted by: Juan de Hattatime at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (CqZmo)

141 They must think that a corporate board meeting is akin to some sort of Satanic ritual. Do they even understand at all what a corporation actually is?

Of course, corporations exist to give people jobs.  We probably wore out the Sword of Truth quotes the other day, but "Faith of the Fallen" very aptly describes the liberal idea of what a corporation is and what it should do. 

Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (mjR67)

142 boxhill pizza in abingdon, md has great crab cakes

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (8JJ6O)

143 "How could I make the MSM praise me for detonating a nuke on a red state.?" And blame the Chinese? Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 09:38 PM (gWHwW) ------- For heaven's sake, don't give them any ideas!

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (1JJGO)

144 What I mean by this, is that they don't really care how a particular result was obtained.

If a poor guy got a government welfare check and was now suddenly not as poor, the liberal would consider this to be a "success" without any consideration on how the money was obtained, how the money was distributed, and what the money was ultimately spent on.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 09:39 PM (5p18q)


Ah, ok.


Buy a man a fish or teach a man to fish.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (X6akg)

145 Boobs are existential. They are present in all possible dimensions and universes.

I think of them as sort of a Platonic ideal, second only to a nice backside.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (6TB1Z)

146 I also asked him if he was familiar with the concept of comparative advantage, or had read Wealth of Nations. His response: that's a very old book. I gave up. Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 09:28 PM (6TB1Z) He has his long cherished assumptions, and he does not WANT to change them.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (bb5+k)

147 lot of conservatives act like they got to distance themselves from El Rushbo although he's really the only thing we got going for us from media / humor / pop culture standpoint.

Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (7zSvv)

148 My  San  Francisco  cousins  swear  the  Republicans  wouldn't  give  migrant  workers  water  just  to  save  money  on  portable  toilets.  Somehow  this  evil  plot  led  to  human  fecal  matter  on  lettuce  and  therefore  food  poisining.

Posted by: South Park 'Smug Alert!' at June 09, 2013 05:44 PM (q4QfH)

149 Cheese it boys the twat sucker is here.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:44 PM (TCGmg)

150 Try reading Jonatham Haidt's _The Righteous Mind_ for some useful insights. His thesis is that Progs and Cons value some common core virtues differently. They also understand the nature of these virtues differently.

Posted by: Juan de Hattatime at June 09, 2013 05:45 PM (CqZmo)

151

Posted by: South Park 'Smug Alert!' at June 09, 2013 09:44 PM (q4QfH)


Yup, they actually believe that we "hate the poor", without irony or exaggeration.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (5p18q)

152 Her: don't spout your statistics at me! I know how I FEEL !! Posted by: Joe Doaks at June 09, 2013 09:38 PM (auzCl) *** I went to church with a guy who was an abortion apologizing, anti death sentence activist catholic and gun control was one of his soap boxes. His sister broke down on the side of the highway and two guys raped her and cut her into ribbons. Now he's a conceal carry licensed guy who wants those bastards to get the needle. Changed how he feels about it I guess.

Posted by: Beto at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (MhA4j)

153 If anyone here has ever read "Mere Christianity" by C.S Lewis, you know how powerful it is. Yet it is a compilation of radio addresses written for the masses. Lewis lowers his altitude by about 10-20,000 feet for that material, and what a powerful thing he did. Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 09, 2013 09:36 PM (4Mv1T) Funny thing about Mere Christianity. I read it before becoming a Christian and I didn't get it. Then, I read it ten years after becoming a Christian and I was like, "yep, yep, yep."

Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (Su0W2)

154 I had a discussion with a brain dead liberal, and at the end her comment is 'I don't care that is how I feel" well I won, but sorta lost they got to turn their own light bulb on

Posted by: Jake in ID at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (s/TCI)

155 125 Ya know, I have to wonder what they really think a "corporation" is. They must think that a corporate board meeting is akin to some sort of Satanic ritual. Do they even understand at all what a corporation actually is? You know what will really freak them out? Tell them that all of the major unions are actually organized as.... *corporations*. Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 09:38 PM (5p18q) I told my brother "Corporations are just people, after all" and he scoffed loudly. "Well, who do you think runs them - robots?" That made him pause. I then went on "If sometimes they act greedily it's because that the people are greedy, and being together aggrandizes the effect..." He asked me in all seriousness, "You think people are greedy?"

Posted by: Sister Sestina at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (ESbvS)

156 Via twitchy, ISAF Media tweet reporting all clear has sounded.

Posted by: Adam at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (Aif/5)

157 I've got one, too.  When the payroll tax ended in January, my friend obviously blamed it on the Republicans. I said, well, it was President Obama's tax holiday that was only supposed to last one or two years, and, after the election, Obama didn't care if it got renewed.  He said President Obama would never allow taxes to go up on the middle class and that those rascally Republicans must have snuck the tax increase in at the last minute without the President knowing.

Posted by: sydney jane at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (3a4vw)

158 You can't argue the truthfulness of a fact. A fact, by definition, is true. You can argue the truthfulness of a sentence, or a proposition. Not a fact.

Posted by: Demosthenes at June 09, 2013 09:38 PM (okNST)


But you can ignore a fact and it is much easier than dealing with it!

Posted by: Weimar Republican at June 09, 2013 05:47 PM (Cnqmv)

159 Ok so the FBI went to court to force a guy for the password for his encrypted drives because persumedly they contain child pornography. Now persumedly the NSA has everyone data saved including child pornographic pictures. NSA could be the biggest child porn ring in history. How would we not know.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 05:47 PM (HiKk0)

160 138 99 Liberals: - are interested almost exclusively about results Conservatives: - are interested more about process than about result. That is simply not the case. Time and time again various populations have tried Liberal policies. Look at Detroit. Look at Illinois. The USSR, Red China, Cuba, and on and on and on. Eventually you run out of other people's money. Even in the United States, eventually you run out of the ability to borrow money for the benefit of your political supporters. And so now, The Democratic Party has to find other ways to get money: red light cameras, user fees, installation fees, inspection fees (and that is the big one). They want to turn us into slaves.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 05:47 PM (gWHwW)

161 127 You can't argue the truthfulness of a fact.

For the left, truth, as we have come to know it, is a malleable and situationally variable quantity.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 09, 2013 05:47 PM (Dc/7h)

162 Lib sister says housing bubble was caused by rich people paying cash for houses and that's how the prices got driven up. It wasn't the loans banks were forced to give to unqualified buyers. She seems to think wealthy people sleep on stacks of cash like Scrooge Mc Duck.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:47 PM (nH8jP)

163 149 He has his long cherished assumptions, and he does not WANT to change them. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 09:43 PM (bb5+k) Funny you should use that phrase. See my #26. I said about Ayn Rand at the time, "She systematically demolished my most cherished beliefs and assumptions, then proceeded to rebuild them on a stronger foundation."

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 05:47 PM (sdi6R)

164 Some people *are* their opinions. If they don't realize that all humans are flawed, and, therefore, they are flawed, they will react in the manner we see everyday. A short word for this: pride. Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 09:38 PM (Su0W2) We all imagine ourselves to be wise, logical and reasonable, but many of us are often motivated more by our emotions than by any well thought out response. Pride is an example of this.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (bb5+k)

165

O/T, but found the perfect place for  all you gun-loving and boobeh-loving morons!

 

"Girls for Gunslingers"

 

 http://tiny.cc/4kwfyw

 

It's 99.9% SFW (it's Facebook).  Also great pic material for an ONT or gun thread.

Posted by: Icedog at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (ZolUS)

166 I don't even bother any more, considering their level of denial and ignorance frustrates me to the point of wanting to pound their faces into pulp.

Posted by: Dr. DangerGirl Ph.F.D., B! @deadlyestrogen at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (GrtrJ)

167 135 I'd argue this one. Liberals couldn't give a crap about results. Look at all their 'feel good' programs. Zero results.....or negative results. Yet, they 'feel good' about what they did. Posted by: Tami at June 09, 2013 09:36 PM (X6akg) What I mean by this, is that they don't really care how a particular result was obtained. If a poor guy got a government welfare check and was now suddenly not as poor, the liberal would consider this to be a "success" without any consideration on how the money was obtained, how the money was distributed, and what the money was ultimately spent on. ==== I do remember one very bright, very talented lady going on about why should people complain about "just throwing money at a problem", because isn't that what money's for?

Posted by: Sister Sestina at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (ESbvS)

168 I was recently told that fascism was corporate control of government. Flipped the actual definition on its ear.

Posted by: SARDiver at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (jL2SU)

169 What they really want to be is back in High School and part of the cool kids. They never got over it. And now, they can be a member of the clique by saying and thinking the right things. Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 08:51 PM (gWHwW) That's exactly what it is. Look at the prime motivator: Envy. Leftism just gave them a way to be cool with adolescents, which they perpetually remain. They never left high school. Same with the college graduates. They want to go back to high school and be the IN crowd. Quite pathetic from people who claim such superior aires.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (lLReE)

170 "the only thing we got going for us"

...it says.

LOL. You ain't no conservative, Troll Unit # (7zSvv) .

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (qrHMp)

171 @ 161:  Exactly.

@ 164:  The problem is that such a definition of truth...is false.  :::wink:::

Posted by: Demosthenes at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (okNST)

172 He said President Obama would never allow taxes to go up on the middle class and that those rascally Republicans must have snuck the tax increase in at the last minute without the President knowing.
Posted by: sydney jane at June 09, 2013 09:46 PM


Didn't he feel all icky about saying someone slipped something past the smartest president EVAH?

Posted by: huerfano at June 09, 2013 05:50 PM (bAGA/)

173 I should say, all clear sounded at ISAF HQ.

Posted by: Adam at June 09, 2013 05:50 PM (Aif/5)

174 Liberals also think that everyone is motivated by their appetites--because most liberals are. Because of this, they believe that no one should be responsible for the results of said appetites. See: abortion.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 05:50 PM (Su0W2)

175 Whatever they might not know is more than compensated by their ability to manipulate those who know the least. Posted by: Juan de Hattatime at June 09, 2013 09:42 PM (CqZmo) That they have an undue influence on the dumbest portion of the population does not make them intelligent or smart. It is the result of enfranchising dumb people.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:53 PM (bb5+k)

176 96 Narcissism is basically at the root of liberalism. There is an overblown sense of self worth that tells them they know better than any fact, any argument, or anyone. Yeah, they are that retarded. Posted by: Berserker at June 09, 2013 09:28 PM (FMbng) This, in my experience, is very close to the truth. The biggest narcissist I know (and I mean that he is textbook and would be diagnosed as such in a minute if he were to ever go to a shrink), who is also emotionally about 15, is a proud low-info liberal. Gets all his news from Jon Stewart and Bill Maher and thinks he has the most enlightened opinion on every topic, even those he knows absolutely nothing about (which, honestly, is most of them). When you really drill down to why he is a lefty, it's basically that he feels like he is owed something for allowing us the privelege of breathing the same air as he does. So he picked the team that told him he was right. He's a complete prick. Not the only narcissist I know that is a lefty but he is the worst one.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 09, 2013 05:53 PM (qFpRI)

177 165 Lib sister says housing bubble was caused by rich people paying cash for houses and that's how the prices got driven up. And we wonder why we are where we are. *head--------->desk*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at June 09, 2013 05:53 PM (lLReE)

178 I just read an article by RSMcain today which talked about the ascendance of "scientific data" justifying behavior and morality and noted we used to have the "naturalistic fallacy" (or the Is/Ought problem) and people understood it and avoided it.
But no more. Now nature is morality. (Rather than morality being what separates us from the rest of nature.)

Posted by: tsrblke at June 09, 2013 09:28 PM (GaqMa)


This is just the projection of "I want it to be so, therefore, it is so." They really feel that returning to their animalistic urges will somehow fulfill them in a way that living a moral and ethical life will not. After all, once you abandon God, you have no rational reason to conform to any system other than "if it feels good, do it."


They  have the brains of infants in this regard.

Posted by: tcn at June 09, 2013 05:54 PM (VLG62)

179 #162 Oh, we have access. But there are so many members of Congress who have access too. Of course only the Democratic Party gets access. Think of Harry Reid and Michelle Malkin's missing relative, Marizela. Think what SC Justice John Roberts might have been confronted with: "Think about it John, this might be your kid." Malkin hasn't come out with a scoupe since Marizela disappeared.

Posted by: The NSA at June 09, 2013 05:54 PM (gWHwW)

180 163 138 99 Liberals: - are interested almost exclusively about results ... They want to turn us into slaves. Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 09:47 PM (gWHwW) Maybe that's the result they want.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 05:54 PM (sdi6R)

181 For the left, truth is relative and based on subjective criteria (i.e., feelings). At least for the indians. For the chiefs, relativism is just a tool to subvert objective truth and achieve their goals, which have nothing to do with truth, justice or the American way.

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 05:54 PM (1JJGO)

182 How in the hell can some of these people know how to breed.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 05:56 PM (HiKk0)

183 The only "image" I care about for America is one of fear and respect. I could give a shit if anyone likes us. But you damn sure better fear us enough to show respect. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 09:20 PM (GEICT) Lucius you old devil! (Oderint Dum Metuant)

Posted by: Weirddave at June 09, 2013 05:56 PM (aH+zP)

184 They want to turn us into slaves. Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 09:47 PM (gWHwW) Well, they ARE part of the DEMOCRAT party, aren't they?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:57 PM (bb5+k)

185 Lucius you old devil! (Oderint Dum Metuant) Posted by: Weirddave at June 09, 2013 09:56 PM (aH+zP) I'm gonna take that as a compliment.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (GEICT)

186 Narcissism is implicit in progressive's world-view, since striving to be the benevolent world-changer predicates that a) you believe you're smart enough to know how to fix the entire world and b) arrogant enough to think it can be done.

Posted by: Sister Sestina at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (ESbvS)

187 How in the hell can some of these people know how to breed. Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 09:56 PM Guy beats off into a sock Woman is drippy, uses sock for a rag strong but stupid flagella swim the rest of the way

Posted by: Beto at June 09, 2013 05:59 PM (MhA4j)

188 Funny you should use that phrase. See my #26. I said about Ayn Rand at the time, "She systematically demolished my most cherished beliefs and assumptions, then proceeded to rebuild them on a stronger foundation." Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 09:47 PM (sdi6R) Any Rand is a tour de force of logic and reason. The problem is getting people to read her who aren't interested or aren't willing to do so. Beyond that, they all have their own little group think herds that steer them back to the left just from association.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 05:59 PM (bb5+k)

189 BEHOLD:the brilliance of the left. http://tinyurl.com/kqotb6c

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 05:59 PM (9XBK2)

190 When you're getting paid 200K, don't have a GED, fucked up in SEAL training (and how the fuck did he get there, by the way?), go from security guard to major asset, ... come on...seriously? How does that fucking work? He got past us.

Posted by: The NSA at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (gWHwW)

191 Do not get put into a position where you have the burden of proof, but where they do. Posted by: The Political Hat at June 09, 2013 09:00 PM (Vk2pI) Liberals never believe they have the burden of proof. It will always be a demand for you to have encyclopedic knowledge and references for everything, they just spout off whatever BS that comes to mind and it's up to you to disprove them. It's not even a movement, it's just a flaw in human behavior that's probably led to mass conflict for 40,000 years, and probably always will, unless we're all brainwashed into being cogs in a machine.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (qyfb5)

192 Yup, they actually believe that we "hate the poor", without irony or exaggeration.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 09, 2013 09:46 PM (5p18q)


I love to ask them, "What have you done today for a poor person, exactly?"



My other favorite is when I am attacked for my pro-life stance, and somebody says "Oh, yeah, like you are going to adopt all those babies nobody wants." I get to tell them that I did, and would, and will. They really don't see it and assume all conservatives hate women/poor/liberals. They might be right about that last one, but it's more pity than hate at this point.

Posted by: tcn at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (VLG62)

193 "Speak softly and carry a big stick." - Teddy Roosevelt.

"Better to be feared than liked." - Machiavelli.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (TCGmg)

194 We informed types are dismissive of Sean Hannity but he actually ideal for capturing low info pseudo-leftists.Think of him as conservative kindergarten. Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 09:29 PM (9XBK2) LOL! I've had that exact thought, and I don't mean it as an insult to Hannity either.

Posted by: Weirddave at June 09, 2013 06:01 PM (aH+zP)

195 Any Rand is a tour de force of logic and reason. The problem is getting people to read her who aren't interested or aren't willing to do so. Beyond that, they all have their own little group think herds that steer them back to the left just from association. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 09:59 PM (bb5+k) A lot of authors, etc are Rand disciples. You gotta search em out and then recommend their work to the uninformed. Terry Goodkind is a terrific writer. He also goes hardcore Rand in the Sword of Truth series.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 06:02 PM (GEICT)

196 Guy beats off into a sock
Woman is drippy, uses sock for a rag
strong but stupid flagella swim the rest of the way Posted by: Beto
------------------

Okay..., gonna need some more scotch here

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (aDwsi)

197 Liberals: - are interested almost exclusively about results Conservatives: - are interested more about process than about result. This is true to an extent, but not entirely. In fact I'd say they should be reversed. Leftists are interested in achieving their goals in their preconceived ways. How to fight poverty? Give people money. How to improve education? Give people money. How to provide housing to low income people? Give people money. Still suffering with poverty? Give more money. Education outcomes getting worse? Give more money. Homes being foreclosed on in record numbers? Give more money. The problem with leftists is they don't adapt. They assume that the reason their actions didn't lead to the desired result isn't because it was the wrong action, but because it was implemented incorrectly. It's the reason why they blame "bad messaging" any time one of their initiatives gets a poor reception from the public. It's why they believe, despite the evidence of history, that communism and socialism WOULD work if the right people were doing it. "We'll get it RIGHT this time! You'll see!" It's a hopelessly naive, irredeemably STUPID way to view the world. Conservatives have our own preconceived actions that we choose to take to combat different problems, but with a few key differences: 1) The evidence of history proves that our methods WORK. 2) If something isn't working, we STOP DOING IT. We're far from perfect, but we're much more interested in achieving our desired result than we are in the methods we use to achieve them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (CA2NO)

198 177 Liberals also think that everyone is motivated by their appetites--because most liberals are. Because of this, they believe that no one should be responsible for the results of said appetites. See: abortion. Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 09:50 PM (Su0W2) Appetites and impulse. That's one of many reasons behind their push for more laws, regulations, etc. "Let's just get rid of all gun control and have blood in the street' is a great example of this. A law on paper doesn't restrain me from murder - my morality and human decency does. Don't know why that is so complicated.

Posted by: RWC at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (Wl/Ht)

199 32 Daily kos kids are petitioning the JEF to pardon Snowden. Inneresting ---------------------------------- They must not know that Snowden has a copy of Dick Cheney's book "The Angler" by his Hong Kong bedside.

Posted by: JQP at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (HfKLk)

200 About half the country thinks the crappy economy is all GW Bush's fault, while simultaneously believing the economy is doing great and that is thanks to Barack Obama. 'nuff said.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (PwV7G)

201 And the radical eco-leftists believe the middle class should be driven into poverty as well. Funny that Al Gore is hell-bent on taking himself the opposite direction.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 06:04 PM (MMC8r)

202 "Ayn Rand is a tour de force of logic and reason. The problem is getting people to read her who aren't interested or aren't willing to do so. " ************ The narcissist lefty I mentioned up thread read Atlas Shrugged about two years ago. Loved it. Thinks of himself as a real world of Hank Reardon. Still a retarded lefty. And I'm not kidding about his estimation of himself there, either. He said the thing about him being Hank Reardon at Thanksgiving dinner and I almost choked on my turkey.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 09, 2013 06:04 PM (qFpRI)

203 Fact: I been called racist a few times by liberals in comment sections for criticizing an individual black person. The most fun incident was a few years back at Hot Air when I said that then RNC chair Michael Steele should be fired for cause. One of their trolls claimed that I was saying that all black people were incompetent. I countered that unless Steele was all black people, I had said no such thing. This went on for a bit with the other commenters keeping the secret and giggling. Finally, the troll wouldn't be persuaded and repeated the accusation. Then, snidely, he added "I bet some of your best friends are black men." "Yes," I said. "And they are quite competent. My father and my brothers are very competent too." Even after that, it took the troll a few comments to figure out what I meant. After that, he started blowing smoke up my ass.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 06:05 PM (Su0W2)

204 He said the thing about him being Hank Reardon at Thanksgiving dinner and I almost choked on my turkey.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 09, 2013 10:04 PM (qFpRI)


Well, you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think.

Posted by: tcn at June 09, 2013 06:06 PM (VLG62)

205 We informed types are dismissive of Sean Hannity but he actually ideal for capturing low info pseudo-leftists.Think of him as conservative kindergarten.

Thank you, steevy. You're a Great American!

Posted by: Sean Hannity at June 09, 2013 06:06 PM (qrHMp)

206 Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 10:05 PM (Su0W2) Wait, you're black???

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 06:06 PM (GEICT)

207 Thank you, steevy. You're a Great American!

Posted by: Sean Hannity at June 09, 2013 10:06 PM (qrHMp)


Oh great, another one who only reads the comments.

Posted by: tcn at June 09, 2013 06:07 PM (VLG62)

208 After that, he started blowing smoke up my ass. ***** They hand out Ambassadorships for that.

Posted by: Beto at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (MhA4j)

209 he was in the army & was training for special forces, not SEALS

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (8JJ6O)

210 193 When you're getting paid 200K, don't have a GED, fucked up in SEAL training (and how the fuck did he get there, by the way?), go from security guard to major asset, ... come on...seriously? How does that fucking work? --------------------------------------------- Not only that, but Snowden claims he thought about going rogue in 2008 but wanted to give Obama a chance. He comes out in 2013 instead. Question: How did Snowden pass 5 years of polygraphs?

Posted by: JQP at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (HfKLk)

211 OT:
Kabul International Airport under attack.
Suicide bombers said to be in US Air Force section.

Reported by Reuters
and
On Twitter by Ahmad Mukhtar

Posted by: LeBron Steinman at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (jfWE9)

212 They hand out Ambassadorships for that.

Posted by: Beto at June 09, 2013 10:08 PM (MhA4j)


Actually, far less, if you're not super-picky about your posting! 


And, damn, the Heat have come alive here.  Their defense is astonishing.

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (8lmkt)

213 Yea well I am starting to think his biography is BS

Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (nH8jP)

214 205 He said the thing about him being Hank Reardon at Thanksgiving dinner and I almost choked on my turkey. Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 09, 2013 10:04 PM (qFpRI) OK, so she doesn't work for everybody.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (sdi6R)

215 Being black doesn't let you off the hook. Any white liberal will tell you so.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (PwV7G)

216 What I'm enjoying during  this  NSA  flap  is how so many liberal obots are sounding like rightwingers. They've become what they despise. They are defending the NSA and deriding Snowden, calling him a traitor. So many put party over principles (not that their priniciples were  honestly  held   to begin with.)

Posted by: BubbaLou at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (qKpun)

217 Michael Steele's greatest strike against him, besides incompetence, was the fact he came from Maryland.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (TCGmg)

218 "Another otherwise bright co-worker was upset that Military Spending was more than the US GDP. When I pointed out that it was more around 5% or less of GDP he said I didn't know what I was talking about. When I sent him a link to the government figures he responded 'Everyone is entitled to their own facts.'"

Out here in the People's Soviet Socialist Republic of Commiefornia, the typical liberal talking point is that "military spending is 50% of the budget".

I come back with the actual figure, and they say "But you're not counting the cost of Bush's wars".

(Note that although my liberal Democratic representative in the House, and one of my two liberal Democratic senators, both voted for both of the wars in question, the wars are always "Bush's wars" here, and always will be.)

I point out that I am in fact counting the cost of the wars to the penny.

They then say "You're not counting veterans' programs."

I point out that I am.

They start to get panicky. "You're not counting the CIA."

No, I'm not. Because that's not military spending. But let's add in CIA, NSA and various other three-letter agencies. Still not anywhere even remotely close to 50% of the budget.

(Liberal eyes shifting rapidly.) "You aren't counting nuclear weapons support costs at the Department of Energy."

Fair enough. Let's put that in. (Those costs are basically a rounding error.)

They insist on adding anything and everything even remotely related to defense and still don't get their cherished "50%" of the budget. Even wanting to add present-day interest on defense-related components of prior years' budgets.

What's the final fallback?

"Secret black programs that nobody knows about."

When you cock your head and say, "So we're down to undisprovable assertions now?", their response is to say smugly, "See, you don't have all the answers."

Rational discourse across the left-right divide really is no longer possible. The only solution is to shut down the USA, and split up the country as amicably as we can all manage.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 09, 2013 06:11 PM (gqT4g)

219 Michael Steele's greatest strike against him, besides incompetence, was the fact he came from Maryland.

Plus, I will never forget when he tried to go all ghetto-gansta with some rapper on tv.  That was a real facepalm moment right there.  He's about as gangsta as I am. 

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 06:11 PM (8lmkt)

220 222 Michael Steele's greatest strike against him, besides incompetence, was the fact he came from Maryland. Plus, I will never forget when he tried to go all ghetto-gansta with some rapper on tv. That was a real facepalm moment right there. He's about as gangsta as I am. Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 10:11 PM (8lmkt) I could have ignored the gangsta crap. It was the sitting there and nodding aggressively while lefty dbags were going on about how racist the R party is that did him in for me.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 09, 2013 06:13 PM (qFpRI)

221 Guy beats off into a sock Woman is drippy, uses sock for a rag strong but stupid flagella swim the rest of the way Posted by: Beto Give this man a Grant. Also note to self stay away from used socks or swimming pools.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 06:13 PM (HiKk0)

222 And the radical eco-leftists believe the middle class should be driven into poverty as well. But that's not how they think about it. To the eco-leftists, it's not about "driving the middle class into poverty." It's about bringing mankind into harmony with nature. They don't perceive the loss of wealth and health and stability as a negative; they view it as evidence that people are returning to a pristine state of nature.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 09, 2013 06:14 PM (CA2NO)

223 Well Albania went for $1,300 in donations to the Democrats and President.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 06:14 PM (TCGmg)

224 split up the country as amicably as we can all manage. Posted by: torquewrench at June 09, 2013 10:11 PM (gqT4g) And a generation later? I don't know what the answer to the age-old problem of learning disorders, but I do know that trying to wall them off won't work. It's in our DNA. I think it's treatable in a culture that values honesty, and there was a time when the majority of Americans did that, even if they had different opinions. But there is a subculture that *hates* honesty, and that subculture deliberately sought positions of influence and power. A *lot* of sunlight and a *lot* of hard work is the only answer to that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 09, 2013 06:15 PM (qyfb5)

225 Rational discourse across the left-right divide really is no longer possible. The only solution is to shut down the USA, and split up the country as amicably as we can all manage. Posted by: torquewrench at June 09, 2013 10:11 PM (gqT4g) We'll get the real estate back later anyway after they abort themselves into extinction.

Posted by: eman at June 09, 2013 06:15 PM (cQ4xo)

226 #206 Baldilocks, we will get you next. What the fuck are you doing off the Democratic Party Plantation. Jesus Fuck! OK! Everyone make sure all the darkies are singing in tune! Do you fucking get me??!!!

Posted by: The NSA at June 09, 2013 06:15 PM (gWHwW)

227 On the downside the lovely photo of Obama and Xi talking soulfully whilst walking in the desert is not getting much play. So sad.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 06:16 PM (M/TDA)

228 " Middle-class New Yorkers who value decency, honesty and safe work and online environments for your young daughters, speak now or forever hold your peace."
http://tinyurl.com/m3cuxtw

Michelle Malkin wrote a great piece about Antony Wee ner and his problems.  Then, in the last paragraph she fell short.  New Yorkers will buy wee ners crap cause "he's the best of a bad lot".  They won't take her challenge.  They'll elect him in spite of her to show her some conservative isn't going to tell them what to do or challenge them.

She's need an alternative stronger ending.

Posted by: caustic at June 09, 2013 06:16 PM (/b8+5)

229 "You can argue about the truthfulness of the fact, or the accuracy of the fact, or the significance of the fact, or the relevance of the fact, but to simply pretend the fact isn't there makes me wonder how it's possible to even talk to these people, much less reason with them."

That's because ignoramuses make up the core constituency of the Democrats.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (9+PGS)

230 #31 Regarding that prof who is an anti-humanist enviro-freak--someone  needs  to ask him why he doesn't off himself as an example. Why does he allow himself to remain alive, consuming  resources?

Posted by: BubbaLou at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (qKpun)

231 Remember back during the election when the trolls talked about how much more intelligent their candidates were than ours? Our side in 2012 had PhDs (Gingrich), MDs (Paul), and a mathematician (Cain), amongst others, while their candidates are almost universally lawyers.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (MMC8r)

232

"Facts don't matter. It's the Narrative that matters."

Evan Thomas

Posted by: rrpjr at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (V+70W)

233 213 Question: How did Snowden pass 5 years of polygraphs?

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It's not a lie if you believe it.

Posted by: Anachronda Hears Stuff at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (U82Km)

234 We'll get the real estate back later anyway after they abort themselves into extinction. Posted by: eman at June 09, 2013 10:15 PM (cQ4xo) They'll crash their economies before that happens.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (bb5+k)

235 They tell us that
We lost our tails
Evolving up
From little snails
I say it's all
Just wind in sails
Are we not men?
We are Devo!
Are we not men?
D-E-V-O

Posted by: Mark Mothersbaugh at June 09, 2013 06:19 PM (e8kgV)

236 I missed the original post so I have to share this one here.  i was in the Peace Corps around 12 years ago and got used to hearing all sort of iditic statments by young, dumb libs but one just really stood out;

The whole world should be able to vote in American elections because we are so powerful and have so much influence and control it isn't fair to the other contries , who are all pretty much oppressed by us.

No shit.  Some hippie chick actually said that to me in almost those exact words with full sincerity.  They have forever since been etched into my mind.

Posted by: JSR4225 at June 09, 2013 06:19 PM (oG53/)

237 "When you're getting paid 200K, don't have a GED, fucked up in SEAL training (and how the fuck did he get there, by the way?), go from security guard to major asset, ... come on...seriously? How does that fucking work?"

Take a read through _Top Secret America_ some time.

One of the points made in the book is that if you take the entire potentially eligible workforce in the USA, and you throw out everyone with stuff in their background which makes them ineligible for work inside the clearance wall, like criminal convictions, even minor, or being foreign nationals, et cetera, then the potential hiring pool goes from an ocean to a puddle real damn quick.

And, with the huge demand for cleared workers post-9/11, the number of private contractors and government agencies needing to get at that puddle of recruits is... considerable. Plus, the clearance investigation backlog moves at a pace which makes the Post Office look like a frenzy of activity.

So otherwise undistinguished and mediocre people find themselves in the career catbird seat, and they get enormous salaries and responsibilities far beyond their actual talents, simply because their employers CAN'T GET ANYONE BETTER who has the necessary clearance.

It really is that simple, and that complex, all in one.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 09, 2013 06:19 PM (gqT4g)

238 OT:
More on Kabul Airport /NATO HQ attack from Jay Price in Kabul

https://twitter.com/JayinKabul

Posted by: LeBron Steinman at June 09, 2013 06:19 PM (jfWE9)

239 It's simple,blacks who don't follow the approved political line are not black.Blacks on the left are not only complicit in this , they lead the charge.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 06:20 PM (9XBK2)

240 We'll get the real estate back later anyway after they abort themselves into extinction. Posted by: eman at June 09, 2013 10:15 PM (cQ4xo) ------ Not if they pass amnesty we won't.

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 06:21 PM (1JJGO)

241 A Hawaii real estate agent says Edward Snowden and his girlfriend moved out of their home in a quiet neighborhood near Honolulu on May 1, leaving nothing behind.

Century 21 real estate agent Kerri Jo Heim says Sunday that the owner of the house wanted the couple out so that the home could be sold.

Heim says police came by on Wednesday to ask where the couple went. She told them she didn't know.

Posted by: Diogenes' Honest Man at June 09, 2013 06:21 PM (e8kgV)

242 Those darn radicals are misunderstanding the religion of peace again.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 06:21 PM (9XBK2)

243 They don't perceive the loss of wealth and health and stability as a negative; they view it as evidence that people are returning to a pristine state of nature. Posted by: MWR
=============

They haven't experienced smallpox..., or rotted teeth..., or tetanus..., or typhus..., bubonic plague, etc.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 06:22 PM (aDwsi)

244 Baldilocks, we will get you next. What the fuck are you doing off the Democratic Party Plantation. Jesus Fuck! OK! Everyone make sure all the darkies are singing in tune! Do you fucking get me??!!! Posted by: The NSA at June 09, 2013 10:15 PM (gWHwW) Ha! Good luck with that. I have connections. Seriously, as a former military linguist, it has been difficult to process the whole NSA scandal. I have to restrain myself on the topic. Suffice it to say, the agency has become a criminal enterprise.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 06:22 PM (Su0W2)

245 Any chance we could get a Chris "Flying Spittle" v. Ron "Jazz Flute" Burgundy cage match?

Posted by: Arbalest at June 09, 2013 06:22 PM (FlRtG)

246 We'll get the real estate back later anyway after they abort themselves into extinction. Posted by: eman at June 09, 2013 10:15 PM (cQ4xo) They'll crash their economies before that happens. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 09, 2013 10:18 PM (bb5+k) ------------------ The economy will collapse before any divorce. I'm surprised it hasn't already.

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 06:22 PM (1JJGO)

247 "You know what will really freak them out? Tell them that all of the major unions are actually organized as.... *corporations*. " Won't bother them at all. They know that anybody who disagrees with them, like you, is a liar. They know because they are good people and really care, so anybody who disagrees with them obviously is a bad person who DOESN'T care. Obvious, right? I wish that wasn't exactly how many actual American voting adults think, but it is.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 09, 2013 06:23 PM (qIFL7)

248 Funny you should use that phrase. See my #26.

I said about Ayn Rand at the time, "She systematically demolished my most cherished beliefs and assumptions, then proceeded to rebuild them on a stronger foundation."

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 09:47 PM (sdi6R)

I think the ones who change from liberal to conservative are those who respect the truth. In order to be a liberal, you have to live in a cognitive vacume and believe that your policies help people. Which is why they always try to silence opposing viewpoints, because they initiate cognitive dissonance when faced with facts or with reality.

They are three times more likely than either a conservative or moderate to try and shun or shut down conversations with people online when opinions are antithetical to their internal belief. Many of them are not payed for their beliefs and so form an internal set of rules and views that are much harder to wrangle with than someone who is bribed/forced to think a certain way. Which is why congresspeople change their views to suit what is popular since they will get their affirmations from external sources of either punishment:voters or rewards: donors.

When a lowly liberal faces facts and reality, the cognitive dissonance is incredibly uncomfortable for them and it is easier for them to just shut down the conversation or call the facts/ person arguing with them liars. I know, that is exactly how I was.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 09, 2013 06:23 PM (M1gmo)

249 Guess they knew to send denis rodman to Korea and Beyonce to Cuba, based on heir research.

Posted by: caustic at June 09, 2013 06:23 PM (/b8+5)

250 The Left likes to blurt out "The USA has 5% of the world's population, but consumes 30% of the world's resources! That's wrong!" The USA does not consume any resources. The USA, just like every other country, transforms resources. Resources really are pretty much useless unless you transform them. Oh, and BTW, that 5/30 ratio is something to be proud of, you ignorant myopic hypocrites. Most Lefty/Liberal rants and sayings and slogans are derived from Soviet propaganda. It's all there to undermine the West. What, you thought the Cold War was over?

Posted by: eman at June 09, 2013 06:23 PM (cQ4xo)

251 253 Yeah,the reds left a great legacy thatr has become conventional wisdom on the left.

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 06:25 PM (9XBK2)

252 Ask Timothy Treadwell about the pristine state of nature.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 06:26 PM (HiKk0)

253 Stockholders of the corporations would not tolerate media doing anything BUT attempting to maximize profits. Americans have many choices in their media. They choose the mainstream media. On any given night during the prime time news hour the single right of center news channel attracts about 10% of American viewers. No one forces Americans to watch NBC ABC and CBS. Most Americans simply do not choose to watch Fox. The problem that conservatives have isn't that they view that media as being too liberal the problem is that is the choice most American make. Menendez !!! has that Grand Jury finished yet ??? Liberals have no lock on stupidity, nor on gullibility either. Cakewalk??? About to turn the corner in Iraq??? Last throes of the insurgency? These weren't just conservatives, these were the best and the brightest of the conservatives

Posted by: occam at June 09, 2013 06:26 PM (DAHhf)

254 "You can argue about the truthfulness of the fact, or the accuracy of the
fact, or the significance of the fact, or the relevance of the fact,
but to simply pretend the fact isn't there makes me wonder how it's
possible to even talk to these people, much less reason with them."
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Thus it is that liberals, by their nature, are (at least) slightly insane.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 06:27 PM (aDwsi)

255 242 It's simple,blacks who don't follow the approved political line are not black.Blacks on the left are not only complicit in this , they lead the charge. Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 10:20 PM (9XBK2) Basically, such people are buying into white supremacist "thinking": that black people have a special black way of thinking and that we need someone to take care of us because we are unable to take care of ourselves. Liberals and white supremacists think black people need masters.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 06:27 PM (Su0W2)

256 255 Remember they think humans are a blight upon the earth so anything bad that happens to us is well deserved.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 06:29 PM (M/TDA)

257 So is it a rule at the HQ that when one troll clocks out, another one has to clock in?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 09, 2013 06:30 PM (4Mv1T)

258 261 They work in shifts.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 06:30 PM (M/TDA)

259 "Liberals"? There's a sucker born every minute.

Posted by: PT Barnum at June 09, 2013 06:31 PM (93bRa)

260 Posted by: occam at June 09, 2013 10:26 PM (DAHhf) Don't you have some paste to eat?

Posted by: eman at June 09, 2013 06:31 PM (cQ4xo)

261 The Troll Guild..., or Union..., I forget which

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 06:31 PM (aDwsi)

262 Let me be clear. You can trust Barky with your Blackberry phone data! Eric Holder and his crew are carefully combing through all republican staffer's data to insure that we remain in office.

Further, there are checks and balances in the system. We write checks to Verizon for information on Pubs and they add the money to their bank balance. We are on top of this situation like Bull humping a Steer.

And, I will not be drawn into a technical conversation with reporters from Fox news who don't even know the difference between a wedgie and a fisting. I cannot answer any more questions. Good day.

Posted by: Barney F. at June 09, 2013 06:32 PM (m5Tr1)

263 I like the one where some try to make you feel guilty about not living the life of a 14th Century peasant that goes something like this:
"Americans are x% of the world's population and use xx% (some very high percentage) of the world's----

My response goes along the lines of "Yeah, we're depriving the Muslim world of their fair share of bacon with all our greed.." 

The idea of how much of the world's --- is produced by Americans or what other cultures might actually desire never enters their heads, it's all about how we should feel guilty and greedy.

Posted by: JHW at June 09, 2013 06:33 PM (B38OD)

264 ...."paste to eat." That was good for a chortle. Thanks.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 09, 2013 06:34 PM (4Mv1T)

265 Baldilocks, we will get you next. What the fuck are you doing off the Democratic Party Plantation. Jesus Fuck! OK! Everyone make sure all the darkies are singing in tune! Do you fucking get me??!!! Posted by: The NSA at June 09, 2013 10:15 PM (gWHwW) Ha! Good luck with that. I have connections. Seriously, as a former military linguist, it has been difficult to process the whole NSA scandal. I have to restrain myself on the topic. Suffice it to say, the agency has become a criminal enterprise. Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 10:22 PM (Su0W2) Hey Baldilocks! I sent you an email some time ago, not sure if you received it. Anyway, Peaches and I were discussing meeting up for brunch/lunch some time in the near future. I will send you another email. By the way, I basically said the same thing about the NSA in an earlier thread. I am a former cryptologist. :-)

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 06:34 PM (wiJTg)

266 Reading this thread I've seen these attributes ascribed to leftists: Greed Envy Lust Gluttony Laziness Pride Wrath Hmmm, the list seems familiar somehow...

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 09, 2013 06:35 PM (61Bps)

267 Why couldn't we get some from the Lollipop Guild once in awhile?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 06:35 PM (TCGmg)

268 268 Baldilocks, we will get you next. What the fuck are you doing off the Democratic Party Plantation. Jesus Fuck! OK! Everyone make sure all the darkies are singing in tune! Do you fucking get me??!!! Posted by: The NSA at June 09, 2013 10:15 PM (gWHwW) Ha! Good luck with that. I have connections. Seriously, as a former military linguist, it has been difficult to process the whole NSA scandal. I have to restrain myself on the topic. Suffice it to say, the agency has become a criminal enterprise. Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 10:22 PM (Su0W2) Hey Baldilocks! I sent you an email some time ago, not sure if you received it. Anyway, Peaches and I were discussing meeting up for brunch/lunch some time in the near future. I will send you another email. By the way, I basically said the same thing about the NSA in an earlier thread. I am a former cryptologist. :-)

Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 06:36 PM (Su0W2)

269 Oops

Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 06:36 PM (Su0W2)

270 >>>mmm, the list seems familiar somehow... I was going to say the Horde? But...WRONG ANSWER.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 09, 2013 06:37 PM (4Mv1T)

271 Chick, I'll look for that email. Lunch would be great! And how interesting is it that we both know about No Such Agency?

Posted by: baldilocks at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (Su0W2)

272 The Troll Guild..., or Union..., I forget which

Collective.

Posted by: filbert. Just filbert. at June 09, 2013 06:39 PM (7vimm)

273 233 #31 Regarding that prof who is an anti-humanist enviro-freak--someone needs to ask him why he doesn't off himself as an example. Why does he allow himself to remain alive, consuming resources? Posted by: BubbaLou at June 09, 2013 10:17 PM (qKpun) That, my friend, is where the narcissism comes in. I am sure this gentleman believes himself just too important a voice to be silenced for the greater good.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 09, 2013 06:39 PM (qFpRI)

274 Peter King was redistricted.  Lost the majority of his voting block when he lost Wantagh.  His claim to fame, being head of the Homeland Security committee may not be something he now wants to hang his hat on.  They sent him back last time because of this position.  This time Kathleen Rice might unseat him.

Posted by: caustic at June 09, 2013 06:39 PM (/b8+5)

275 Regarding Snowden, I'm looking forward to a Barack Obama administration prosecuting a guy for having more balls than Barack Obama to stop something Barack Obama said in 2007 was unacceptable. I am also looking forward to libs rallying around St. Barack at the end of the day. Moral--if Barack is right in 2013, then he and his supporters were absolutely wrong before. What else do they have no clue about? And what kind of ethical man can write a jeremiad against a sitting President for doing something, and then not just do the same thing after being elected, but do it in a bigger style? Besides a egocentric self-righteous narcissist, that is.

Posted by: T. at June 09, 2013 06:40 PM (u6IuP)

276 Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 10:29 PM (M/TDA) Be fruitful and multiply or survival of the fittest. Until you see dolphins in mechs rising from the ocean with frikkin laser beams, Mankind is top dog(well until SMOD).

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 06:40 PM (HiKk0)

277 Something about that number...., 7. Seven...., what?.... something. I can't recall.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 06:43 PM (aDwsi)

278 The whole world should be able to vote in American elections because we are so powerful and have so much influence and control it isn't fair to the other contries , who are all pretty much oppressed by us.

No shit. Some hippie chick actually said that to me in almost those exact words with full sincerity. They have forever since been etched into my mind.

Posted by: JSR4225 at June 09, 2013 10:19 PM (oG53/)



Sooo, they DO want us to go around the world sticking United States of Earth flags in everyone's asses. Good to know.

Posted by: Berserker at June 09, 2013 06:43 PM (FMbng)

279 Michael Steele's greatest strike against him, besides incompetence, was the fact he came from Maryland. Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 10:11 PM (8lmkt) For me, it was that he spent several years being articulate and pretty compelling on the talking head news programs..........right up until he was elected head of the RNC. Then he turned into a drooling semi-literate cretin overnight. Convinced me that he was most likely a Donk plant.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2013 06:44 PM (MBqvE)

280 Hammer- You are being paged from the ONT. You have some explaining to do.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 09, 2013 06:45 PM (4Mv1T)

281 "..if Barack is right in 2013, then he and his supporters were absolutely wrong before"
-----------------------

As though Proglodytes are disturbed by contradiction...., or hypocrisy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 06:47 PM (aDwsi)

282 252 Guess they knew to send denis rodman to Korea and Beyonce to Cuba, based on heir research. Posted by: caustic at June 09, 2013 10:23 PM (/b8+5) aw look....catpiss troll tried to make a funny

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 09, 2013 06:48 PM (8JJ6O)

283 And we should all be looking up quotes from Nicky Machiavelli. The man had skillz. "When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2013 06:48 PM (MBqvE)

284 I think there is not much mileage you can get from the "but Republicans were for blacks' rights and Democrats were for (slavery, Klan, Jim Crow, etc.)" line. Lefties will say the parties have realigned and that all the Jim Crow folks are now the white, conservative southern base of the GOP.

Posted by: Hal at June 09, 2013 06:52 PM (76LPi)

285

For the Ayn Rand / Objectivist folks:

 

Do any Randians have kids? Did they have them after becoming Objectivists? From the little I know of the movement, none did.

But I am open with my ignorance (and laziness in doing research) and am hoping to be informed.

Posted by: Hal at June 09, 2013 06:54 PM (76LPi)

286 100% of any liberal/Democrat's opinion on anything is a product of how they respond to the issue emotionally.  Facts, logic and reason can never dissuade someone from how they feel.

All one can do now is maximize their cognitive dissonance and enjoy. Or, just annoy them:

Liberal:  We need comprehensive immigration reform.

Me: Why? 

Liberal:  We cannot deport 11 million people.

Me:  How many can we deport?  Let's start with that and build on it.



Posted by: Buckethead at June 09, 2013 07:00 PM (u3N3z)

287

I'm reminded of when I mentioned to a co-worker, some years ago, about how the top few percent pay half of the income tax.  They acted like they had never heard that before, and did not believe me. Yeah, I'm guessing it was a liberal.

 

 

The way I see it, the top few percent of tax payers pay the first half, the next 50 percent pay the second half - and the third half is borrowed!

 

Posted by: Optimizer at June 09, 2013 07:09 PM (Mxt9o)

288 I've said it many times, liberals believe weird shit about their Party. They believe that it was Republicans who started slavery. They believe the KKK was created by Republicans. They have no idea who gave women and black people the right to vote. You tell them Democrats took women's right away to vote so Republicans had to give it back a second time and they'll say you're making shit up. They've never heard any of this.

Posted by: MrX at June 09, 2013 07:12 PM (PxmNZ)

289
aw look....catpiss troll tried to make a funny

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 09, 2013 10:48 PM (8JJ6O)

It wasn't a joke. 

Everyone who reads what you say has a lot of interesting things to say about the emptiness and hate inside a person so consumed with a stranger on the internet.  Think about that, if you can find your lib brain.

Posted by: caustic at June 09, 2013 07:13 PM (/b8+5)

290 "Hmmm, the list seems familiar somehow..."

What are you saying? That Leftists are Homonculi?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 09, 2013 07:24 PM (9+PGS)

291 Posted by: caustic at June 09, 2013 11:13 PM (/b8+5)

I feel so sorry for you.

Posted by: wonder at June 09, 2013 07:27 PM (qrHMp)

292 It wasn't a joke.
Everyone who reads what you say has a lot of interesting things to say about the emptiness and hate inside a person so consumed with a stranger on the internet. Think about that, if you can find your lib brain.

Posted by: caustic at June 09, 2013 11:13 PM (/b8+5)

 

She's not the one keeping dossiers on commenters and stalking moron meetups.  That's you, you deranged psychopath.

Posted by: buzzion at June 09, 2013 07:39 PM (LI48c)

293

The Left likes to blurt out "The USA has 5% of the world's population, but consumes 30% of the world's resources! That's wrong!"

 

When a lefty told me this, I replied:

 

"You're right. I take your point. We should vaporize the other 95% of the world's population. Then we would be 100% of the world's population, but consume 30% of the world's resources, and we'd be cool, right?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 09, 2013 07:40 PM (Z2Bkq)

294 Intellectual liberal. Oxymoron if I've ever oxy'd before. Morons.

Posted by: John the Libertarian at June 09, 2013 07:41 PM (jKf/K)

295 31. Phil Cafaro is a nut. He lived upstairs when I was in college. He would burst out of the front door in a bathrobe wielding a broom in the middle of the night to go swatting at the bushes where the nightbirds would sing. You wouldn't think this guy was in the Audobon Society, but he was.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 09, 2013 07:50 PM (x6weF)

296 @ 74   It was at that moment that you elected to receive your meals with the extra mucous glaze.

Posted by: D1stewart at June 09, 2013 08:24 PM (fIkHQ)

297 "He would burst out of the front door in a bathrobe wielding a broom in the middle of the night to go swatting at the bushes where the nightbirds would sing."

In the neighborhood where I grew up there was a mockingbird that, every spring for a number of years, would perform its repertoire at 2AM in the morning almost on a nightly basis in a tree two houses down. The only good thing was that the cursed bird was easily silenced with a closely located shot from a BB pistol.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 09, 2013 08:54 PM (9+PGS)

298 This is a farm.  (courtesy of reddit)  Fits right in with this thread.
http://i.imgur.com/Jf9YjhO.jpg

Posted by: caustic at June 09, 2013 09:17 PM (/b8+5)

299 http://tinyurl.com/kgb89gg

sorry link fail, here is link for 299

Posted by: caustic at June 09, 2013 09:19 PM (/b8+5)

300 The black conservative Larry Elder once said that "Facts are like Kryptonite
to liberals."



Posted by: Leonard Jones at June 09, 2013 09:33 PM (XTNzt)

301 things like this are the reason why I think the term 'Low Information Voters' is inaccurate. Many of these 'LIV's are actually comfortable with the status quo... and will automatically discard any information which doesn't conform to their already pre-determined worldview. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see... and then there are none who have so little information as those who refuse to learn the truth.

Posted by: chaz at June 10, 2013 01:19 AM (vZIUi)

Posted by: Vic at June 10, 2013 01:48 AM (lZvxr)

303 We always have a mockingbird hanging around in the cedar tree on our fenceline.  The one there 10 years ago had quite a repertoir I would listen to while I pulled weeds in the flower beds.  I loved to listen because he would do a whole series of bird calls and then quack like a duck!

The one we have there now has managed to imitate the distinctive meow of a feral cat who begs for food every morning,  sort of a scratchy croak.  And I swear to you that once summer,  there was one who imitated a telephone ringing,  because I kept hearing the phone and would go inside and there was no call.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 10, 2013 02:31 AM (GoIUi)

304 Good morning,  everyone!

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 10, 2013 02:32 AM (GoIUi)

305 Morning, kids. Just waiting on the headlines. Married to a lib, it only seems appropriate to comment here and put the cap on this thread. She is highly intelligent, yet believes in all the propaganda, hook, line and sinker. We never talk politics and thank G-d for that. Instead, I will mention a friend who whenever I see him is constantly going on about global warming and that anyone who denies it is essentially rejecting science. Funny coming from him since he does not own a cell phone or a computer. Then again, in light of the NSA and IRS, he might have stumbled onto something.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 10, 2013 02:45 AM (+98Gb)

306 I don't know how you get in the Army without a GED, but perhaps he was allowed to take the ASVAB and got incredible scores and they waivered him. There is such a thing as hard work and on the job training that can advance a person...that being said, Blackfive has a post up about it and if there is anyone who can corroborate that this kid attempted the SF Q course ten years ago but broke both legs? An FOIA might not ever make it to those who request it at this point, because the Feds have shown themselves to be great abusers of power.

Posted by: defendUSA at June 10, 2013 03:09 AM (nAHMK)

307 "3 Here's what I think happened.The left,masters of projection saw this program and said "think about what Bush can do with this data politically" and were of course against it.Once in power it became "think about what we could do with this date POLITICALLY,let's expand it".

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 08:47 PM (9XBK2)"


It's liberal fascism, straight up.

Posted by: dissent555 at June 10, 2013 04:48 AM (yR6A1)

308 These are the people who will be interrogating you in that cellar. And later giving you your "nine grams".

Posted by: deepred at June 10, 2013 05:18 AM (rUiSC)

309 285 I think there is not much mileage you can get from the "but Republicans were for blacks' rights and Democrats were for (slavery, Klan, Jim Crow, etc.)" line. Lefties will say the parties have realigned and that all the Jim Crow folks are now the white, conservative southern base of the GOP. Why, that's exactly the way I was taught in school.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 10, 2013 05:27 AM (7ObY1)

310 "...because he would do a whole series of bird calls and then quack like a duck!"

The one nearest to where I live now does a convincing imitation of a parakeet in its spring daily lineup of impersonations.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 10, 2013 07:50 AM (vd7A8)

311 There is a Forbes article today regarding the 80% increase in individual insurance premiums for Ohio residents due to Obamacare. One of the first comments is from a lib who, besides complaining that the article is cherry picking stats(you know, from I think ten different insurers in Ohio who have reported their estimates...etc.)was this gem. " Only a tiny percentage of people will have a rate increase, that will be those young males who have only bought bare bones insurance plans." Subsequent commenters have lit into him tooth and nail. I mean, how dare anyone simply buy a policy that covers what they need covered....when that young male should be paying for ob/gyn services, gay mental health services, and transgender surgery.

Posted by: Jen at June 10, 2013 07:51 AM (eMzIq)

312 http://twitpic.com/7ins90

the tinyurl link used to go to breitbart's listing of everyone who got arrested under the Occupy Whatever flag. When confronted with facts, shoot the messenger, put your hands over your ears, and start chanting "Not listening, not listening!"

Posted by: hurricane567 at June 10, 2013 10:51 AM (ryui/)

313 also read it from bottom up

Posted by: hurricane567 at June 10, 2013 11:02 AM (ryui/)

314 I love, love, LOVE when liberals use the excuse of "Bush did it first!!" I just turn it back on them and say "oh, so you're a supporter of Bush's policies, then?" Spastic little vein poppage usually ensues.

Posted by: Book at June 10, 2013 12:04 PM (y1BMK)

315 President Obama- he's just like that other president you hated so much. Except more extreme. I know! Let's give the man another peace prize!

Posted by: Book at June 10, 2013 12:06 PM (y1BMK)

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