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January 16, 2013

Overnight Open Thread (1-16-2013)
— Maetenloch

The Big 3D Printing Guns Roundup

OMFG You Can 3D Print Guns!!

No You Can't

We Must Ban This Now!

I Guess You Really Can't Quite 3D Print Guns

New Technology is So Cool - Except When It Comes to Guns

The Start of 3D Printer Control?

Web Sites Appear Full of 3D Printed Gun Designs

The British and Their Bizarre View of Americans

I think, at root, the problem is one of mirroring.
They say "aluminum", we say "aluminium", but both can be shiny and reflective surfaces. So, no matter how intently we examine the US, we cannot help but see our own features staring back at us. This phenomenon simply doesn't occur when we look at the French, the Vietnamese or the South Africans - all remain properly other.
Only America and the Americans have this ability to derange us with their capacity to reflect our own image. Not that they do this intentionally, really, it's something we do to ourselves. And it follows that what we also do to ourselves is to relentlessly equate America with Americans, and the US government with its electorate - conflations we wouldn't dream of making in the case of the German or Greek peoples.

Have You Ever Heard of a Book called "The Master and Margarita?"

'Well, as everyone knows, once witchcraft gets started, there's no stopping it'

On a hot spring afternoon in Moscow, a poet and an editor are discussing the non-existence of Jesus. A polite, foreign gentleman interrupts their debate, claiming to have known Jesus in person and to have been present when he was condemned by Pontius Pilate. Moreover, he predicts the editor's death - a bizarre accident which happens exactly as the foreigner foretells. The Devil has arrived in Moscow and, along with his demons and a large black cat

The Master and Margarita is a wonderful book. I read parts of it in Russian as an undergraduate and it's been about 10 years since I've re-read the very well done English translation which means I'm past due. BTW the Rolling Stones' 'Sympathy for the Devil' is pretty much based off the first chapter

Stressful Jobs and the Value of Efficiency

There's something vaguely comic about everyone trying to brag about how stressful their job is. Personally, I blame television. Shows like ER, The West Wing, and Scandal have glamorized the notion that killer jobs are friggin' awesome and super-sexy. You know what's really awesome? Doing your job so well that you can relax on a regular basis.

Everything Wrong With Prometheus in 4 Minutes

Prometheus is one of those interesting but frustrating failures that had all the parts to be great yet steered itself into the ditch of sukk0r . You can enjoy this video even if you haven't seen the movie.

How Come We Crave Greasy Food When We're Hung Over?

Best Bath Robe Ever?

Teh Tweet!

Yahoo group. That is all.

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Posted by: Maetenloch at 06:27 PM | Comments (477)
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1 early

Posted by: L Rob in OK at January 16, 2013 06:29 PM (7yvLv)

2 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 16, 2013 06:29 PM (JMmQ9)

3 earliest

Posted by: L Rob in OK at January 16, 2013 06:29 PM (7yvLv)

4 Howdy, AJ.

Posted by: L Rob in OK at January 16, 2013 06:30 PM (7yvLv)

5 'ace' bandages, eh?

Posted by: open the pod bay doors, HAL at January 16, 2013 06:30 PM (Dll6b)

6 near the top!

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 06:30 PM (8sCoq)

7 I prefer no cheese on my egg and bacon sandwich, please.

Posted by: huerfano at January 16, 2013 06:30 PM (bAGA/)

8 Kelli Bundy!

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2013 06:32 PM (6Osj6)

9 The real fun ain't in 3D printing, it's CNC milling.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 06:33 PM (kaalw)

10 I had the Spicy Deluxe at Chick-Fil-A today. Very good. Jones in Co rates it a 'BUY'

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 06:33 PM (8sCoq)

11 The Master and Margarita is a great novel.

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2013 06:33 PM (6Osj6)

12 Belgium Kills Deaf and Blind Twins Belgium, which is well known for euthanizing children and elderly people with limited cognitive function, with a penchant towards organ harvesting, has not sunk to a new low. They have euthanized deaf twins that were going blind. More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=1214

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 06:33 PM (Vk2pI)

Chirstina Applegate and a mode of transportation: reasons enough to look in!

Also, deny though you may, you will meet Jesus when you die, then you will be judged. Try to get over it now then have to pay for it later.

Thanks, Maet!

Posted by: DM at January 16, 2013 06:34 PM (LaKlJ)

14 Pleh. Get up and go seems to have emigrated.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersands Anonymous at January 16, 2013 06:34 PM (mbxHg)

15 Why does that bathrobe have an M and an O monogrammed onto it???

Posted by: just aking ??? at January 16, 2013 06:36 PM (4I0tk)

16 hi all
love the prometheus clip
well gotta go to bed, gotta get up early to go to gym
anyway, have a great night all and sweet dreams
here is a kitteh for everyone
http://tinyurl.com/ybdwsch

Posted by: chemjeff at January 16, 2013 06:37 PM (BBWjt)

17 17th.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 16, 2013 06:37 PM (4Mv1T)

18 SCOAMF little act today made me vomit.

This is the hill to die on wishy washy Repubs. No more, no farther.

I'm finished being reasonable. If an R votes for any gun control I will do everything I can to have him tossed next election.

Added bonus: I'm joining the NRA.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 06:37 PM (TCy/B)

19 Craziest rumor I've heard Manti Teo is gay and made up this story to cover it up, highly improbable but this whole story is crazy

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 16, 2013 06:38 PM (NzBQO)

20 Jim Treacher ‏@jtLOL

.@piersmorgan is actually bragging about beating the rest of CNN in the ratings. He also beat Stevie Wonder at ping-pong.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 06:38 PM (wwsoB)

21 Yesh!!! ONT. Bless you, Maet!!!

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 06:38 PM (kpCLl)

22 My problem with the gun part printing thing is that idiot politicians will get the idea to ban private manufacturing of weapon parts, and enough idiots will not think about it until it's too late and we're completely boned. Sometimes, when you have a good idea, it's time to shut the fuck up about it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 06:38 PM (bxiXv)

23 Gonna have to give that book a try, seems a whole lot more enjoyable then my only other foray into Russian literature...Crime and Punishment. Also Day 4 of Sumo: http://tinyurl.com/b9t2t7s

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at January 16, 2013 06:38 PM (obHYs)

24 Why does that bathrobe have an M and an O monogrammed onto it???
Posted by: just aking ???

Silly. Michelle Obama

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 06:39 PM (TCy/B)

25 I would love to be the T-Mobile chick's motorcycle seat.

Posted by: Libtardo at January 16, 2013 06:39 PM (hDena)

26 The "Voltliner"?

FAA grounds Boeing 787 over battery fires.

http://tinyurl.com/a4pr3vf

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 06:40 PM (wwsoB)

27 Added bonus: I'm joining the NRA. Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 10:37 PM (TCy/B) The more the merrier! If the NRA had half the gun owners as members, they would have to beg them to stop sending money because it just can't all be spent.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 06:40 PM (bxiXv)

28 I was cheered by that jobs article. There is a glamour for some people as to how stressed/overworked they are. I used to work with a girl who I swear spent hours figuring out the hardest way to do stuff. "Work smarter not harder" is a tenet I've tried to live by, except I'm not that smart.

Posted by: George Costanza at January 16, 2013 06:40 PM (MPjT8)

29 Craziest rumor I've heard Manti Teo is gay and made up this story to cover it up, highly improbable but this whole story is crazy

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 16, 2013 10:38 PM (NzBQO)

The only thing we know for sure about Manti Teo is that he does not, in fact, play for the best college football team.

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 06:40 PM (kpCLl)

30 25 I would love to be the T-Mobile chick's motorcycle seat. Posted by: Libtardo at January 16, 2013 10:39 PM

I'd have drive shaft imbalance just to make it vibrate more

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 06:41 PM (wwsoB)

31 You know, the twins who decided to die together must have been really warped. Either, they believed they were going to a better place (but probably were atheists or wouldn't commit suicide). Or, they believed they were a worthless burden. But they had each other. WTF? Really fricking warped society, that.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 16, 2013 06:42 PM (Sptt8)

32 If the gay thing is true, overnight the MFM will treat him as a hero.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 16, 2013 06:42 PM (ORGYc)

Ah. How can I piss Maet off this night?

Nah. Its been too depressing a year so far. Things just suck too badly.

Enjoy the ONT, Horde. I am headed a few miles south to see what Mexico is sending north.

And maybe. Just maybe, the USBP or ICE will send someone to hit the smugglers coming north.But it hasn't happened lately.

See you thru the PVS-14s, 'rons and 'ette's. Its been freaking cold of late.

But I have my hate to keep me warm. And if AtC is nice, a few of her Ravage to make the smugglers scream. That warms the cockles, if nothing else.

Cheers.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at January 16, 2013 06:43 PM (ial2b)

34 My favorite bathrobe is the one Carol O'Connor wore in Kelly's Heroes. Bright red with general stars. Howdy folks

Posted by: Y-not at January 16, 2013 06:43 PM (5H6zj)

35 Evening morons. My wife is doing good, enjoying her new spacious normal floor room. She's down to just her central line for her antibiotics and some fluid support. Twins are hanging strong, we should be having a super ultrasound later this week, she's a bit out of it from all the meds over the past week so the OBs didn't do it today. I'll know more long term after that scan happens. Continue on with your hobo hunts and valu-rite hangovers.

Posted by: kerncon at January 16, 2013 06:43 PM (M+4md)

36 If the NRA had half the gun owners as members, they would have to beg them to stop sending money because it just can't all be spent. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith

It's time to stand up and be counted. Get behind an organization that has some muscle. Fuck polite. Go for the jugular of every dirty politician who attempts to infringe on our rights.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 06:43 PM (TCy/B)

37 You know, the twins who decided to die together must have been really warped.

That story has been skeeving me out for days. WTF is wrong with people???

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 06:44 PM (kpCLl)

38 The number of people killed by guns pales by comparison to the number of people killed by asinine government policies. We shouldn't outlaw guns -- we should outlaw politicians!

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 06:44 PM (kaalw)

My favorite bathrobe is the one Carol O'Connor wore in Kelly's Heroes. Bright red with general stars.

====

Get me my uuuniifoooorm!

Posted by: General Colt at January 16, 2013 06:44 PM (MPjT8)

40 Can someone please address the utter dickbaggery going at Gunbroker? I've been eyeballing some ARs, but the prices have shot up $200-$300 since the prescedent's press conference within the last few hours. I know he proposed a renewed AWB, but unless the House Republicans go full retard, it won't pass, so what's the problem? Are they just being price gouging assholes?

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 06:44 PM (LEiGw)

41 My wife is doing good, Posted by: kerncon at January 16, 2013 10:43 PM (M+4md) YAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!! Thanks for bringin' the good news!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 06:45 PM (bxiXv)

42 Possible way to make functional gun parts by 3-D printing is indirectly, by lost wax casting. You print the gun parts in wax, coat the wax parts in ceramic slurry, harden the ceramic, then melt out the wax and pour in metal to make a casting in the hole left behind by the wax. Aluminum is low-melting and relatively easy to cast. An AR lower receiver, for example, is made of aluminum. Steel is harder to cast on a small scale but not impossible. Lost wax 3-D printing equipment is already being marketed.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at January 16, 2013 06:45 PM (8hBZi)

43 Posted by: kerncon at January 16, 2013 10:43 PM (M+4md)

Lovely, kerncon, absolutely lovely. Your post has backed me off from turning into a giant flaming ball of hate. Thank you for sharing, God bless, and the prayers continue unabated. {{{{{}}}}}

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 06:46 PM (kpCLl)

44 Are they just being price gouging assholes? Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 10:44 PM (LEiGw) Are those prices set by sellers or high bids? Ultimately if they go too high, people won't buy, and prices will come down. Pain in the ass in the short run. I think NY had as much to do with it, they're going to be confiscating shit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 06:46 PM (bxiXv)

45 You know why everybody is out of 9mms? 'Cause that little 9x19 goes into 11+ mags, that's why. A Glock 19 with its 15+1 capacity is now illegal in NY, and Zero would like to see that happen everywhere. There are many to choose from in other calibers, also. The Sig Sauer P226 in .357 Sig can go 12+1. Get em while you can.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at January 16, 2013 06:46 PM (PH+2B)

46 38 The number of people killed by guns pales by comparison to the number of people killed by asinine government policies. We shouldn't outlaw guns -- we should outlaw politicians! Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 10:44 PM (kaalw) Wasn't there an author who envisioned a society where all elected officials were jailed in order to save time?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 06:47 PM (NEIxp)

47 @40 You are witnessing the free market capitalist system in action. Take advantage while you can.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 16, 2013 06:47 PM (zOP5o)

48 12 Belgium Kills Deaf and Blind Twins

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 10:33 PM (Vk2pI)

It's a sad story but, at the end of the day, the twins were in their mid 40's, judged to be mentally competent, and decided to commit doctor-assisted suicide on their own volition. The libertarian side of me says, "so be it." That they are considering allowing minors to do the same, though, is pretty sickening.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 06:47 PM (7xeJQ)

49 It's time to stand up and be counted. Get behind an organization that has some muscle. Fuck polite. Go for the jugular of every dirty politician who attempts to infringe on our rights. Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 10:43 PM (TCy/B) Yup. It's time to say No.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 06:47 PM (bxiXv)

50 The littl shyning man Just picked up some 20-round AR mags and I don't even own one, just in case.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 06:48 PM (LEiGw)

51 I took a look at pics of the new Corvette and figured out why I was underwhelmed.

I've seen the car before, lots of times. It looks like 12 other sports cars on the market now.

The C-6 looked dated, but the C-7 decided to mix parts from 10 other cars.

The Mustang, Challenger, and Camaro all hit home runs because they went the retro route. If the C-7 brought back the Sting Ray badge, they should have gone with a C-2 Sting Ray retro look

I was afraid the interior redesign would be one of those controls on three stalks and the steering wheel, leaving a barren looking dashboard, but they went too far the other way. A 767's cockpit looks less busy, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a button for turning the radio on and a separate one for turning it off

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 06:48 PM (wwsoB)

52 I was an idiot my entire working career: Never say 'no' to a project. Obsess over every detail. Turn in a perfect work product. Commit to 60 hour weeks (or more) year after year. I never resented the folks who left the office at 1700 hrs, I respected the for having their priorities in order. I was just never able to manage it myself or I felt like I was slacking.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 06:48 PM (piMMO)

53 Moron Labe!

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 16, 2013 06:48 PM (MPjT8)

54 9 The real fun ain't in 3D printing, it's CNC milling.

Those super cheap Harbor Freight lathes and mills can be tuned up and made into serious high precision units with a little work on the traverses and feed mechanisms. Lotta hobbyists adding CNC controls to them.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 06:48 PM (mLN7K)

55 You know, the twins who decided to die together must have been really warped. That story has been skeeving me out for days. WTF is wrong with people??? Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 10:44 PM (kpCLl) Belgium allegedly only kills though in sever pain, with the consent of the soon-to-be dead. Of course, they also will kill senile seniors, babies, and teenagers. Considering that those twins were killed, not because of any physical pain, but because they couldn't stand to live in a world where they couldn't see each other, even though they were still together... the idea that an overly reacting teenager had the government euthanize them without their parent(s) ever knowing is an alarming possibility. Also, Belgium loves harvesting organs. See http://politicalhat.com/?p=1214 for even more euthanasia-loving European insanity.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 06:48 PM (Vk2pI)

56 42 Possible way to make functional gun parts by 3-D printing is indirectly, by lost wax casting. You print the gun parts in wax, coat the wax parts in ceramic slurry, harden the ceramic, then melt out the wax and pour in metal to make a casting in the hole left behind by the wax. Aluminum is low-melting and relatively easy to cast. An AR lower receiver, for example, is made of aluminum. Steel is harder to cast on a small scale but not impossible.

Lost wax 3-D printing equipment is already being marketed.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at January 16, 2013 10:45 PM (8hBZi)

Anything requiring precision still needs milling. So, why not start with a mill?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 06:48 PM (kaalw)

57 My favorite bathrobe is the one Carol O'Connor wore in Kelly's Heroes. Bright red with general stars. Posted by: Y-not at January 16, 2013 10:43 PM Kelly's Heroes is one of my all time favorite movies

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 16, 2013 06:49 PM (JMmQ9)

58 Are they just being price gouging assholes?

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 10:44 PM (LEiGw)

It's free market capitalism, which we all say we espouse. What are you, a fuckin' communist? Supply and demand, supply and demand. Of course, I did see something earlier today that the cops can't get ammo because of the ridiculous level of demand. Not that any of our "betters" give a rat's ass.

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 06:49 PM (kpCLl)

59 Over/under on the SCOAMTT getting another Nobel peace prize for gun grabbing or some shit. I know, he could reduce our nukes, lower our debt and recycle at the same time; give our nukes to China!

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 16, 2013 06:50 PM (Sptt8)

60 Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 10:49 PM (kpCLl) I retain the right to bitch to high heaven about it.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 06:50 PM (LEiGw)

61 I've been debating whether or not to join the NRA. They support anybody that even pays lip service to the 2nd Amendment. I mean, The Pederast? Really?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 16, 2013 06:51 PM (GEICT)

62 gotta go beat the refill deadline... BRB

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 16, 2013 06:52 PM (JMmQ9)

63 It's free market capitalism, which we all say we espouse. What are you, a fuckin' communist? Supply and demand, supply and demand. Of course, I did see something earlier today that the cops can't get ammo because of the ridiculous level of demand. Not that any of our "betters" give a rat's ass. *** I'm waiting for the 50 cents per round tax. You know they have to be thinking about it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 06:52 PM (piMMO)

64 Then again, no one's buying .45-70 Govt. ammo, and that'll blow someone's extremities off quicker than an AR round any day.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 06:52 PM (LEiGw)

65 It's time to stand up and be counted. Get behind an organization that has some muscle. Fuck polite. Go for the jugular of every dirty politician who attempts to infringe on our rights.

I'm fed up with the Marquise of Queensbury rules that the Right has insised on observing in matters political. The Left has never had any compunctions about not playing by the rules.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 16, 2013 06:53 PM (2pc1N)

66 It's a sad story but, at the end of the day, the twins were in their mid 40's, judged to be mentally competent, and decided to commit doctor-assisted suicide on their own volition. The libertarian side of me says, "so be it." That they are considering allowing minors to do the same, though, is pretty sickening. Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 10:47 PM (7xeJQ) The problem is that euthanasia has become an accepted medical practice. In Europe, it is now the doctor's job to KILL people who could live a long and happy life. Since euthanasia is now a medical decision, the doctor may end up making it when the person can not consent, i.e. with babies, senile old people, and even emotional teenagers. It normalized suicide, and makes is squeaky clean and antiseptic. See: http://tinyurl.com/d5zjje5 for more.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 06:53 PM (Vk2pI)

67 Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 10:49 PM (kpCLl) It's supply and demand to a point but what I think people resent is that demand is being driven by TFG's gun-grabbing agenda, not usual market forces in the gun industry.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 06:53 PM (NEIxp)

68 Is anyone else unable to access GatesOfVienna?

Posted by: Bob, Person of Hench at January 16, 2013 06:53 PM (1efte)

69 Will no single member of the press ask Obama out loud how the numbers of people killed with guns compare to the numbers of abortions he has mandated that we all fund with our tax dollars? Because, I'm pretty sure gun deaths would look like a blip on the radar. WTF is wrong with people, BIRM.

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 06:53 PM (kpCLl)

70 >>Kelly's Heroes is one of my all time favorite movies Mine, too!

Posted by: Y-not at January 16, 2013 06:54 PM (5H6zj)

71 58

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 10:49 PM (kpCLl)

Yeah, that's why I couldn't get too worked up over CtD's gouging. I did, however, decide not to purchase from them due to their craven cowardice regarding firearm sales. Same goes with Dick's.

Maybe the cops can go to the DHS and ask, "Buddy? Can you spare some .40 for the less fortunate?"

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 06:54 PM (7xeJQ)

72 It's supply and demand to a point but what I think people resent is that demand is being driven by TFG's gun-grabbing agenda, not usual market forces in the gun industry. Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 10:53 PM (NEIxp) Hence my pissy attitude.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 06:54 PM (LEiGw)

73 I'm waiting for the 50 cents per round tax. You know they have to be thinking about it. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 10:52 PM (piMMO) I suspect they'll go higher than that.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 06:55 PM (NEIxp)

74 It's supply and demand to a point but what I think people resent is that demand is being driven by TFG's gun-grabbing agenda, not usual market forces in the gun industry.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 10:53 PM (NEIxp)

Yeah, well Obamacare was overwhelmingly unpopular with the public, but that didn't change a fuckin' thing, did it? We are in some deep shit here with this guy.

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 06:55 PM (kpCLl)

75 I know he proposed a renewed AWB, but unless the House Republicans go full retard, it won't pass, so what's the problem? Are they just being price gouging assholes? Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 10:44 PM

You're actually counting on Cryin' Boehner not to go full retard after being called a child killer to his face on Meet the Press?

I think the fear is justified

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 06:56 PM (wwsoB)

76 Is anyone else unable to access Gates Of Vienna?
Ha-ha. Very funny, infidel!

Posted by: zombie Grand Vizier, Pasha Kara Mustafa at January 16, 2013 06:56 PM (ORGYc)

77 54 9
The real fun ain't in 3D printing, it's CNC milling.

Those super cheap Harbor Freight lathes and mills can be tuned up and made into serious high precision units with a little work on the traverses and feed mechanisms. Lotta hobbyists adding CNC controls to them.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 10:48 PM (mLN7K)

*Raises hand*

Mine comes on Friday. It'll be a little bit before I get the CNC, though, because I want to check a few things (e.g., can you get an extended leadscrew without getting an extended table?).

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 06:56 PM (kaalw)

78 Yeah, well Obamacare was overwhelmingly unpopular with the public, but that didn't change a fuckin' thing, did it? We are in some deep shit here with this guy. Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 16, 2013 10:55 PM (kpCLl) You'll get no argument from me there.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 06:56 PM (NEIxp)

79 TPH, please do not forget that doctors in Belgium are now selling Euthanasia of patients as a way to harvest still good organs to. Making self selected suicide okay since you are helping others to keep on living.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 06:56 PM (I9Y9q)

80 Anything requiring precision still needs milling. So, why not start with a mill?

Materials availability and economy. A solid slug of metal of suitable dimension may not be available, or might be very expensive. The casting process allows you to use odd size scraps. Dead disk drives, aluminum cans, old ladders, etc can all be suitable raw material donors.

If the shit really hits the fan, the govt will be monitoring purchases of virgin bar stock.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 06:57 PM (mLN7K)

81 I spent a summer in Britain. Depressing as shit. The class thing never goes away. Women that think you are somebody start giving you their phone number before you ask. It is a depressing country, still living off it's conquests 100 years ago, and still talking about them.

The pussy is not bad, if you can get over teh bad teeth.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 16, 2013 06:57 PM (wR+pz)

82 I suspect they'll go higher than that. **** My first thought was $1 per but thought, NAH!, they wouldn't do that. Of course, they have no understanding of the ammo it takes to stay in practice, and they don't care. In the end it will impact gun safety as folks practice less.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 06:57 PM (piMMO)

83 Is anyone else unable to access Gates Of Vienna?

Ha-ha. Very funny, infidel!

Posted by: zombie Grand Vizier, Pasha Kara Mustafa at January 16, 2013 10:56 PM (ORGYc)

Heh. ISDWYDT

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 16, 2013 06:57 PM (2pc1N)

84 You're actually counting on Cryin' Boehner not to go full retard after being called a child killer to his face on Meet the Press? I think the fear is justified Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 10:56 PM (wwsoB) Meh, I'm just counting how much of my savings will go towards an AR and ammo before TSHTF.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 06:58 PM (LEiGw)

85 You're actually counting on Cryin' Boehner not to go full retard after being called a child killer to his face on Meet the Press? I think the fear is justified No shit, at this point i see Boehner more as a dem than a r, guy isn't just useless, he's harmful, same goes for most of the house r's.

Posted by: booger at January 16, 2013 06:58 PM (HI6wa)

86 31, 37 --- It would be disturbing enough if they had killed themselves, but for a doctor to do it? How could anyone kill two people for such a relatively trivial reason?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 16, 2013 06:58 PM (C8mVl)

87 Looking for 13 round HK USP .40 SW mags

so far, everything online is out of stock

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 06:58 PM (8sCoq)

88 The pussy is not bad, if you can get over teh bad teeth. Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 16, 2013 10:57 PM (wR+pz) Er, vagina dentata, British style?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 06:59 PM (NEIxp)

89 Woof! That's my other dog impression.

Posted by: Sgt. Oddball at January 16, 2013 06:59 PM (MPjT8)

90 TPH, please do not forget that doctors in Belgium are now selling Euthanasia of patients as a way to harvest still good organs to. Making self selected suicide okay since you are helping others to keep on living. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 10:56 PM (I9Y9q) In Denmark, it's even worse: http://tinyurl.com/bd4v5ro

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 06:59 PM (Vk2pI)

91 Margarita DeVille. Look to the Dutch. Those doctors have killed healthy patients just to free up bed space.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 07:00 PM (I9Y9q)

92 I've been debating whether or not to join the NRA. They support anybody that even pays lip service to the 2nd Amendment. I mean, The Pederast? Really? Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 16, 2013 10:51 PM (GEICT) H Reid, has earned his NRA rating he is still a fukko, but he's not going over the cliff with BHO on guns either if you saw his speach Join the NRA, and bust them in the balls

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:00 PM (jfSqj)

93 Are they gonna ban assault printers?

Posted by: otho at January 16, 2013 07:00 PM (yBF/9)

94 OTOH, I'm glad I bought a .45-70 lever action and ammo. No one gives a shit about lever actions, but they'll totally fuck up your day of you get hit with one.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:00 PM (LEiGw)

95 Interesting about the 3D gun printing. Mr. Book just bought one of these things (for WORK. Of course. Not that that stopped him from making a miniature moon lander, a Wall-E, and a Batman.)

I doubt that the plastic used for the printer would be strong enough to make a gun. But it IS interesting that people are thinking along those lines.

Posted by: Book at January 16, 2013 07:00 PM (v9wCW)

96 Newt suggested that the NEA have a press conference in Chicago! That is clever.

Posted by: Jmel at January 16, 2013 07:01 PM (9tSXa)

97 Looking for 13 round HK USP .40 SW mags so far, everything online is out of stock Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 10:58 PM (8sCoq) those are going to be expensive

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:01 PM (jfSqj)

98 Keep in mind that Fatass Christie is a gun grabber and he's supposed to be the big hope for the GOP in 2016

No, don't count on GOP steadfastness on the 2nd Amendment

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 07:02 PM (wwsoB)

99 I don't think I ever met a virgin at a bar.

Posted by: joey biden at January 16, 2013 07:02 PM (ORGYc)

100 93 Are they gonna ban assault printers? Posted by: otho at January 16, 2013 11:00 PM (yBF/9) Just the ones with high-capacity toner cartridges.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 07:02 PM (NEIxp)

101 Jmel, have them have a press conference in one of the Chicago inner city schools. See how long it goes before they are forced to flee due to incoming fire.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 07:02 PM (I9Y9q)

102 >those are going to be expensive

gun show guy wanted $60 per

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 07:02 PM (8sCoq)

103 Keep in mind that Fatass Christie is a gun grabber and he's supposed to be the big hope for the GOP in 2016 **** I don't know a single person who thinks that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:03 PM (piMMO)

104 Gonna have to give that book a try, seems a whole lot more enjoyable then my only other foray into Russian literature...Crime and Punishment. Also Day 4 of Sumo: http://tinyurl.com/b9t2t7s Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at January 16, 2013 10:38 PM (obHYs) Try Gogol's Dead Souls. Darkly comic. I need to break it out again soon. 'sup jackwagons

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 07:03 PM (KZuD1)

105 Just the ones with high-capacity toner cartridges.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 11:02 PM

Can I have a bayonet lug on my printer?

Posted by: otho at January 16, 2013 07:03 PM (yBF/9)

106 66

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 10:53 PM (Vk2pI)

I can't argue with what you posted. However, I believe the common denominator in the stories you cite is the involvement of the state which ultimately wields the responsibility for "not-so-voluntary euthanasia." That is what scares me--especially with ObamaCare/Tax coming in full force like a NY City metro train.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 07:03 PM (7xeJQ)

107 Er, vagina dentata, British style?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 10:59 PM (NEIxp)

Ever heard of a snapper?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 16, 2013 07:04 PM (wR+pz)

108 Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:02 PM (8sCoq) CZ 9mm mags are going for $75+ now. AWESOME!

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:04 PM (LEiGw)

109

Are they gonna ban assault printers?

Posted by: otho at January 16, 2013 11:00 PM (yBF/9)

===

No more 30-sheet paper trays.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 16, 2013 07:04 PM (MPjT8)

110 I just heard 5.7 x 28 have doubled in price if you find them. $2 a round is a bit much.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 16, 2013 07:05 PM (wR+pz)

111

Well, to just totally sidestep the point of the item on the British view of Americans, the reason we say aluminum and everyone else says aluminium is because some cousin in the Rambler big tree mispelled it on the patent application for his method of producing it.

He cofounded what later became Alcoa, so he wasn't a total fuckup.

Posted by: Nash Rambler at January 16, 2013 07:06 PM (yW4lI)

112 87

Looking for 13 round HK USP .40 SW mags

so far, everything online is out of stock

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 10:58 PM (8sCoq)

Same here. The only ETA for them that I could find is Feb 1.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 07:06 PM (7xeJQ)

113 No more 30-sheet paper trays.
In one of Pournelle's There Will Be War books he pointed out that in the USSR the crime of owning an unauthorized mimeograph machine was IIRC 30 years in prison.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 16, 2013 07:07 PM (ORGYc)

114

I've got a new member of the family! (Well, not until all the paperwork clears - prolly next Monday) It's black and shots 9mm pointy things. SOOO CUTE!! I've not ever had one before and will take lessons so that the pointy things go in the right direction. I got it because:

1) I live alone

2) Things ain't getting any safer

3) The Furry Herd demands protection

4) The JEF does NOT want me to have one.

5) The SCOAMF frowns severely upon my possession of one.

6) It's a big Negatori from the Incompetent-In-Chief.

7) I wanted to do it TODAY - my own little one-finger salute to the press conference.

It feels VERY good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dwagyak at January 16, 2013 07:07 PM (tyBI8)

115 Wasn't there an author who envisioned a society where all elected officials were jailed in order to save time?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 10:47 PM (NEIxp)

Terry Pratchett, in The Last Continent, I think - Ecksecksecksecks (Disworld's version of Australia, so called because it is an unknown land designated by XXXX on veryone else's maps) throws its politicians into jail at the beginning of their term to save time.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 07:07 PM (rZPpd)

116 Women that think you are somebody start giving you their phone number before you ask. Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 16, 2013 10:57 PM (wR+pz) Yeah, maybe I *would* go to Britain after all...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:07 PM (bxiXv)

117 I'm an NRA certified instructor. FWIW

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:07 PM (jfSqj)

118 48 --- "...decided to commit doctor-assisted suicide on their own volition." Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 10:47 PM (7xeJQ) "Doctor-assisted suicide" is a contradiction in terms. If you want to kill yourself, you kill yourself. Make it a matter that is indeed one of your "own volition," rather than one of another party's volition.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 16, 2013 07:07 PM (C8mVl)

119 No more 30-sheet paper trays.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 16, 2013 11:04 PM

Can we still use A4 paper? It's shorter than 18 inches.

Posted by: otho at January 16, 2013 07:07 PM (yBF/9)

120

It's shorter than 18 inches.

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That's what SHE said!

Posted by: USS Diversity Scott at January 16, 2013 07:09 PM (MPjT8)

121 One of these days I'm going to try to figure out how to get my desktop IP unblocked. Alas my only Ace time lately is on the cell. And think little of that. Category frustrating but not urgent. Keeps me from making a fool of myself on here as much, though.

Posted by: Mindfulguy on the cell waving hi at January 16, 2013 07:10 PM (rf20m)

122 Good news for me. Whoo hoo. Grandson is coming this weekend Popovich the animal guy is here in town Sat. afternoon. Should be a hoot. He will especially like it after I drag him sofa shopping.

Posted by: Infidel at January 16, 2013 07:10 PM (bzOLE)

123 Newt suggested that the NEA have a press conference in Chicago! That is clever. Posted by: Jmel at January 16, 2013 11:01 PM (9tSXa) Agreed. It's about time for another meeting of the Grand Soviet...

Posted by: Comrade Arne Duncan at January 16, 2013 07:10 PM (Vk2pI)

124 Yes it is the corrosive and coercive effect of the State acting as supreme being who turn doctors from instruments of healing into being the handmaidens of death. Paging Joseph Mengele determining who will live and who will die by who can still be of worth to the State. European doctors are doing that kind of evil and rationalizing it the same way, the state has made the decision and I being a good little robot acting in accordance with the national will follow these orders.

*click of heels snapping together* Beifel unt Beiful jawohl!

Gott im Himmel!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 07:10 PM (I9Y9q)

125 113 No more 30-sheet paper trays. In one of Pournelle's There Will Be War books he pointed out that in the USSR the crime of owning an unauthorized mimeograph machine was IIRC 30 years in prison. Posted by: andycanuck at January 16, 2013 11:07 PM (ORGYc) Well it's not like mimeograph machines have anything to with free speech. After all, it's not like they were around when the First Amendmemt was passed.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 07:11 PM (NEIxp)

126
   For any of you NY people--other day I mentioned legal proceedings r.e. Cuomo's gun control legislation.

   There is a class action lawsuit underway, pro bono, by a lawyer who has had success prior.

   Lawyer's name is James Tresmond, phone # 716-202-4301.

You can get particulars and register by emailing the following--psacco1@twcny.rr.com

If any of you NY gun owners want to get involved, there you go.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 16, 2013 07:11 PM (SAMxH)

127 >I've got a new member of the family! (Well, not until all the paperwork clears - prolly next Monday) It's black and shots 9mm pointy things. SOOO CUTE!!

show us a pic, or a link to a pic

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 07:12 PM (8sCoq)

128 Yes it is the corrosive and coercive effect of the State acting as supreme being who turn doctors from instruments of healing into being the handmaidens of death. Paging Joseph Mengele determining who will live and who will die by who can still be of worth to the State. European doctors are doing that kind of evil and rationalizing it the same way, the state has made the decision and I being a good little robot acting in accordance with the national will follow these orders. *click of heels snapping together* Beifel unt Beiful jawohl! Gott im Himmel! Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 11:10 PM (I9Y9q) A little mood music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNnaRHqtrDQ

Posted by: Pineapple Sodomized Soul of Dr. Mengele at January 16, 2013 07:12 PM (Vk2pI)

129 Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 11:07 PM (rZPpd) Thank you, that must be it.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 07:12 PM (NEIxp)

130 I wonder if one could use 3D printer to make the molds for lost wax castings? The plastic should burn out like the wax would in theory. So with a 3D printer, ceramic slurry and a crucible furnace one could go into production.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 07:13 PM (qo244)

131 Ever heard of a snapper? Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 16, 2013 11:04 PM (wR+pz) Um, ouch?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 07:14 PM (NEIxp)

132 Low, I can change my hash. See my works and tremble!!!

Posted by: 18-1 at January 16, 2013 07:14 PM (bjG2r)

133 You people are trying to get me to buy more guns and I CAN'T AFFORD IT! *sniff* no new family members for me this year.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:14 PM (bxiXv)

134 124 --- '...the corrosive and coercive effect of the State acting as supreme being who turn doctors from instruments of healing into being the handmaidens of death." Yep. But idiots (including a good 80% of the Catholic clergy) think you can have Caesar foot the bills without Caesar making the rules.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 16, 2013 07:14 PM (C8mVl)

135 Billy Bob is also known on the Internetz as Inspector Harry 'Snapper' Organs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 07:14 PM (I9Y9q)

136 I only own one gun, a Springfield XD 40 subcompact, and have been thinking of picking up a revolver. I'll try out several but, off the top of your heads, any suggestions?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:14 PM (piMMO)

137 If any of you NY gun owners want to get involved, there you go. Posted by: irongrampa at January 16, 2013 11:11 PM (SAMxH) IG so what is the feel on the ground in NY? I saw where there was no exemption for the police on the 7 round mag ban.

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:15 PM (jfSqj)

138 132 Low, I can change my hash. See my works and tremble!!! Posted by: 18-1 at January 16, 2013 11:14 PM (bjG2r) Lo? And BJ-Gator?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:15 PM (bxiXv)

139 56 cthulu Anything requiring precision still needs milling

That's the essence of the 80% lower receiver. The part is usually forged of aluminum, then requires a small amount of final machining. I guess casting the rough part would work almost as well, but forged Al is higher strength.

Posted by: Rule #2 at January 16, 2013 07:15 PM (CypDC)

140 I saw where there was no exemption for the police on the 7 round mag ban. **** Uh, what?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:16 PM (piMMO)

141 The country's got a fever and the only prescription is 30-06 Springfield ballistic tipped 180 grain cartridges.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 16, 2013 07:16 PM (zOP5o)

142 Anyone else think the previews for that movie, 'Mama', are creepy as all get out?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:16 PM (piMMO)

143 114
I've got a new member of the family! (Well, not until all the paperwork clears - prolly next Monday) It's black and shots 9mm pointy things. SOOO CUTE!! I've not ever had one before and will take lessons so that the pointy things go in the right direction.I got it because:

1) I live alone
2) Things ain't getting any safer
3) The Furry Herd demands protection
4) The JEF does NOT want me to have one.
5) The SCOAMF frowns severely upon my possession of one.
6) It's a big Negatori from the Incompetent-In-Chief.
7) I wanted to do it TODAY - my own little one-finger salute to the press conference.
It feels VERY good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dwagyak at January 16, 2013 11:07 PM (tyBI

I am so sorry to hear of your impending loss. Who knew that your trunk would fly open on your way home and accidentally lose the gun as you went over the bridge. Make sure to "borrow one just like it" to keep up with practice, but ixnay-onthay-avinghay-a-abbablegray-ungay.....

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 07:16 PM (kaalw)

144 136 I only own one gun, a Springfield XD 40 subcompact, and have been thinking of picking up a revolver. I'll try out several but, off the top of your heads, any suggestions? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 11:14 PM (piMMO) For what? I mean, I like the Rhinos and 8-shot Smiths, and as much as I don't like Ruger their Redhawks are as strong as you could ask for. Carry? Hunting hogs? Competition? Looking at? If I were the idle rich I'd have a Mateba 454. But I'd hate to shoot it because there are no more parts.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:17 PM (bxiXv)

145 I only own one gun, a Springfield XD 40 subcompact, Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 11:14 PM (piMMO) man o man how is the recoil? I told myself I would not ever shoot another .40S&W compact/sub compact again, no matter what

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:18 PM (jfSqj)

146 142 Anyone else think the previews for that movie, 'Mama', are creepy as all get out? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 11:16 PM (piMMO) Yes. I can't wait to see it. I haven't seen a genuinely scary movie in ages.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 07:18 PM (NEIxp)

147 For what? I mean, I like the Rhinos and 8-shot Smiths, and as much as I don't like Ruger their Redhawks are as strong as you could ask for. *** Fun, and home defense if necessary. A range gun.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:19 PM (piMMO)

148 141 The country's got a fever and the only prescription is 30-06 Springfield ballistic tipped 180 grain cartridges. Posted by: General Woundwort at January 16, 2013 11:16 PM (zOP5o) Sure, stick with your new- fangled Hun killin' round. I'll stick with my tried and true .45-70 buffalo gun.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:19 PM (LEiGw)

149 Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:02 PM (8sCoq) CZ 9mm mags are going for $75+ now. AWESOME! Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 11:04 PM (LEiGw) Not too far off the normal $45-50 prices for the factory CZ mags, considering the times. Look for the MecGar mags. I just bought a 14rd MecGar for my P01 at a TX gun show this weekend for $39, only about $5 more than the usual non-panic internet prices. The same vendor was selling factory Glock 17 mags for $69, by the way (normally about $19). Weird the way pricing is running nowadays.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 07:19 PM (KZuD1)

150 Apparently there is a far shorter version of 'Mama' out there. AlextheChick mentioned seeing it. It is what inspired the movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 07:19 PM (I9Y9q)

151

No police exemption for the 7-round magazine? Really?

That was largely the point of many police departments switching from revolvers to semi-auto pistols. They were getting out-gunned in the streets.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at January 16, 2013 07:19 PM (Md8Uo)

152 118

"Doctor-assisted suicide" is a contradiction in terms.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 16, 2013 11:07 PM (C8mVl)

Eh, you're probably right. I was just using the phrase pounded into my head during the Kevorkian craze. It was appropriate for his suicide machine where the terminally ill person would push the button and kill himself (assisted by Dr. Death).

This would be in stark contrast to his last "client" who indicated that he didn't wish to go through with euthanasia but Kevorkian killed him anyway unequivocally making his act one of murder. That little nugget of information was pretty much buried. I only know of it since I caught a segment on CourtTV many, many years ago when they played the actual footage of it happening.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 07:20 PM (7xeJQ)

153 man o man how is the recoil? I told myself I would not ever shoot another .40S&W compact/sub compact again, no matter what *** Not bad at all. My first time firing it my instructor was impressed with how quickly I could find the target again. He really liked the gun.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:20 PM (piMMO)

154 Crap show up late and comment without reading I always find the horde is way ahead of me.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 07:20 PM (qo244)

155 Nice picture of Applegate.

Posted by: Dick Sgt. York at January 16, 2013 07:20 PM (XBQCw)

156 Professor Marius Von Totenkopf, I like your thinking. I have a lever action in .357 mag, super light weight, but more powerful than the handgun in the same caliber.

Posted by: Rule #2 at January 16, 2013 07:20 PM (CypDC)

157 Where can I get cheap clip magazines?

Posted by: WaPo Gun Expert at January 16, 2013 07:21 PM (MPjT8)

158 Not too far off the normal $45-50 prices for the factory CZ mags, considering the times. Look for the MecGar mags. I just bought a 14rd MecGar for my P01 at a TX gun show this weekend for $39, only about $5 more than the usual non-panic internet prices. The same vendor was selling factory Glock 17 mags for $69, by the way (normally about $19). Weird the way pricing is running nowadays. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 11:19 PM (KZuD1) Fucking Texas. Some days I hate living in Delaware. (Wait, that's every day...)

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:21 PM (LEiGw)

159 This would be in stark contrast to his last "client" who indicated that he didn't wish to go through with euthanasia but Kevorkian killed him anyway unequivocally making his act one of murder. That little nugget of information was pretty much buried. I only know of it since I caught a segment on CourtTV many, many years ago when they played the actual footage of it happening. Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 11:20 PM (7xeJQ) The case in Belgium is not doctor "assisted" suicide. It is doctor caused homocide.

Posted by: The Pollitical Hat at January 16, 2013 07:22 PM (Vk2pI)

160 Mec-Gar mags are good stuff Never had any issues with them

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:22 PM (jfSqj)

161 @ 137

Feelings on the ground in my particular area are very much against, even in the local gov't AND LEO.

I can't find any exemptions for police in regards to magazine capacity--this may be an unintended consequence or I may have missed the language. Bill is tough reading.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 16, 2013 07:22 PM (SAMxH)

162 Last Sunday my ten year old won the big money round at the Amvets shoot. Woot! $31! Today my husband got home early and they practiced throwing knives in the backyard. Yes, my husband bought him a set of throwing knives at the gun show. No background check, no registration.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 16, 2013 07:22 PM (Sptt8)

163 The same vendor was selling factory Glock 17 mags for $69, by the way (normally about $19). Weird the way pricing is running nowadays.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 11:19 PM (KZuD1)

Supply and demand can produce spikes, but sooner or later they equilibriate. In the meantime, any un- or under-employed 'rons should start looking into making stuff -- like 7 shot magazines with the form factor of 30 that use cardboard spacers for the 23 missing rounds. -- oh, and the same spring.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 07:23 PM (kaalw)

164

Throwing knives?

OUTLAW!

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at January 16, 2013 07:23 PM (Md8Uo)

165 Lo? And BJ-Gator?
***
Mr BJ Gator to you!

Oh, and "w"s are officially part of the evil patriarchy now.

Speaking of which, with President Twinnkle Toes winning re-election on the female vote twice now, can we start complaining about the matriarchy?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 16, 2013 07:23 PM (bjG2r)

166

Oh, I'd spend about a year in the barrel if I try to post anything here.

It's a Springfield XD9 (4-inch barrel). It's not as sexy as an HK or some of the others, but it was more in my price range and felt perfect in my hand. And I came home and researched on about 4-5 different website comment sections and found A LOT of positive comments from guys who had dissed any Springfield handgun until they tried this one. Also read very positive reviews from gun mags.

It's not a Caddy, but it will be just fine for me.(So please don't groan too much). Gun shop owner was heard telling some gents who came in for auto rounds that he had sold everything he had and he had some on order which was also sold. He said that the manufacturers he deals with will take at least a year to catch up.

Posted by: dwagyak at January 16, 2013 07:24 PM (tyBI8)

167 @148 Why a youa needaa to makeaa such a bigaa boom boom? They seeaa whereaa you shooty from withaa suchaa bigaa boom boom! Beeaa moreaa quiteaa!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 16, 2013 07:24 PM (zOP5o)

168 Not too far off the normal $45-50 prices for the factory CZ mags, considering the times. Look for the MecGar mags. I just bought a 14rd MecGar for my P01 at a TX gun show this weekend for $39, only about $5 more than the usual non-panic internet prices. The same vendor was selling factory Glock 17 mags for $69, by the way (normally about $19). Weird the way pricing is running nowadays. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 11:19 PM (KZuD1) Fucking Texas. Some days I hate living in Delaware. (Wait, that's every day...) Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 11:21 PM (LEiGw) Hey, I feel ya. I've gotta fly back home to my beloved Clownifornia this weekend after this business trip is done.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 07:24 PM (KZuD1)

169 Where canI get cheap clip magazines?>>

Barber shop or landscaping show.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 07:24 PM (qo244)

170 Nice picture of Applegate. **** http://bit.ly/dQVjj

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:25 PM (piMMO)

171 Where canI get cheap clip magazines?
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Edward Scissorhands is that you?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 07:25 PM (I9Y9q)

172 >. Yes, my husband bought him a set of throwing knives at the gun show.
No background check, no registration.

are they assault knives?

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 07:26 PM (8sCoq)

173 The Amazon description of The Master and Margarita sounds like it's related to The Circus of Dr. Lao -- one of my faves.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 07:26 PM (kaalw)

174 It's not that Delaware has restrictive gun laws. They're actually closer to Virginia as far as ease of purchase, open carry, etc. It's just that there are probably 15 gun shops in the whole state and maybe 2 gun shows a year statewide. Not much of a chance to stock up.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:27 PM (LEiGw)

175 Where canI get cheap clip magazines?

I'll send you the email address of my illegal alien gardener. He does the jobs Americans won't do, and cheaply.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 16, 2013 07:27 PM (2pc1N)

176 Please. Let's not discuss making boom-boom.

Posted by: al roker's underwear at January 16, 2013 07:27 PM (ORGYc)

177 Barack Obama Male Leadership Academy is the first school in Texas to get 3D Systems 3D Printer

http://tinyurl.com/bk37phw

Posted by: techin' at January 16, 2013 07:27 PM (0It32)

178 147 If the revolver is for fun on the range, the bigger boom the better. I have a little sp-101 .357 in stainless for pocket carry.

Posted by: Rule #2 at January 16, 2013 07:28 PM (CypDC)

179 For the first time in over 15 years, I'm exactly the right age. Y'all ever wish you were younger or older? Most of my life, I did. But not now. I'm exactly the right age. Bully for me. Good night!

Posted by: Truman North at January 16, 2013 07:29 PM (I2LwF)

180 172 >. Yes, my husband bought him a set of throwing knives at the gun show. No background check, no registration. are they assault knives? Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:26 PM (8sCoq) If they're sharp and vaguely scary-looking, then probably yes.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 07:29 PM (NEIxp)

181 are they assault knives? **** heh. FNC showed today a "hunting rifle" and an "assault rifle" side-by-side and pointed out that the only real difference was the color, the grip, and the clip.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:29 PM (piMMO)

182 Mec-Gar mags are good stuff Never had any issues with them Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 11:22 PM (jfSqj) Yep, all my aftermarket mags for the 9s are MecGars. Wilsons and McCormicks for the 1911. All are great pieces of kit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 07:29 PM (KZuD1)

183 I only own one gun, a Springfield XD 40 subcompact, and have been thinking of picking up a revolver. I'll try out several but, off the top of your heads, any suggestions? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 11:14 PM] The Ruger "Six" series is teh awesome, albeit out of production.

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 16, 2013 07:29 PM (JMmQ9)

184

Guns don't kill people....it's the things that come out of the front of them that kill people.

Posted by: WaPo Gun Expert at January 16, 2013 07:29 PM (MPjT8)

185 I can't find any exemptions for police in regards to magazine capacity--this may be an unintended consequence or I may have missed the language. Bill is tough reading. Posted by: irongrampa at January 16, 2013 11:22 PM (SAMxH) I heard the no police exemption on Hannity's radio show today

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:30 PM (jfSqj)

186 If the revolver is for fun on the range, the bigger boom the better. I have a little sp-101 .357 in stainless for pocket carry. **** I have a friend who bought a little .22 and I couldn't help but giggle at it. It's his self-defense weapon.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:30 PM (piMMO)

187 Weird question: could you make plastic cartridge casings with a 3D printer?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 07:30 PM (rZPpd)

188 178 147 If the revolver is for fun on the range, the bigger boom the better. I have a little sp-101 .357 in stainless for pocket carry. Posted by: Rule #2 at January 16, 2013 11:28 PM (CypDC) Phelps 45-70? Smith .460? Smith 500? Just don't get the 500 snubbie, that's just fucking ridiculous.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:31 PM (bxiXv)

189 Rugged individualism: provide for yourself and your family. Socialism: collectivist shit. Rugged individual: "My neighbor is sick. Let's help him." Socialist: " My neighbor is sick/depressed/deaf/retarded/needs expensive care. Let's euthanize him." I think it is probably important to have reduced religion, too.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 16, 2013 07:31 PM (Sptt8)

190 The Ruger "Six" series is teh awesome, albeit out of production. **** Well that's not gonna help me!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:31 PM (piMMO)

191 oh, and the same spring.>>

Wont work unless when sold you can only fit 1-2 rounds in them. Springs take up space hence during the last ban they just put long springs in with no spacer. I can't for the life of me figure out how to make one with the right outside build but a long spring hi cap though.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 07:31 PM (qo244)

192 The case in Belgium is not doctor "assisted" suicide. It is doctor caused homocide. Posted by: The Pollitical Hat at January 16, 2013 11:22 PM (Vk2pI) Im surprised how few people are aware of Kevorkians' painting of a child eating the flesh off a decomposing corpse. He was a very sick bastard.

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 16, 2013 07:31 PM (M1feW)

193 I have a friend who bought a little .22 and I couldn't help but giggle at it. It's his self-defense weapon. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 11:30 PM (piMMO) I think the strategy then is to continue firing, reload, then keep shooting til they run away or bleed out.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:31 PM (LEiGw)

194 Can I presume that revolvers are not jumping in price at the same pace?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:32 PM (piMMO)

195 I have a friend who bought a little .22

You'll put an eye out with that thing!

Posted by: Rule #2 at January 16, 2013 07:32 PM (CypDC)

196 @186 Don't laugh; something, even a .22, is better than nothing.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 16, 2013 07:32 PM (zOP5o)

197 Good Kelly tribute, NDH. My favourite Kelly-ism was her thinking the English won the American Revolution because, 'Duh--we speak English don't we?'

Posted by: andycanuck at January 16, 2013 07:32 PM (ORGYc)

198 I can't find any exemptions for police in regards to magazine capacity--this may be an unintended consequence or I may have missed the language. Bill is tough reading. Posted by: irongrampa at January 16, 2013 11:22 PM (SAMxH) Cops equal to us lowly peasants? Big oopsie. Definitely a mistake, as the leftists are hell-bent on having the cops outgun the population at large.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 07:33 PM (KZuD1)

199 Weird question: could you make plastic cartridge casings with a 3D printer? Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 11:30 PM (rZPpd) Short answer: no. Long answer - low-pressure things like shotshells, sort of, though I doubt the head could survive. You would need very high-strength plastic and if you heated up the chamber enough it would start to melt. Plastics are generally not great at high temperatures.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:33 PM (bxiXv)

200 My ten year old has slugs for his .22

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 16, 2013 07:33 PM (Sptt8)

201 152--- "That little nugget of information was pretty much buried. I only know of it since I caught a segment on CourtTV many, many years ago when they played the actual footage of it happening." Wow. That must have been creepy to see. IIRC, you're right that it was buried by the MSM in its coverage. They made the charges against him seem much fuzzier.... or maybe I wasn't paying sufficient attention.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 16, 2013 07:33 PM (C8mVl)

202 Much to my surprise, the item I won at CES showed up today. Netgear ReadyNAS Pro 2. Nice box but it didn't include any drives. I feel kind of bad that I have no recollection of talking to the company that held the drawing. I really need to find out what they do and if it's any good. At a glance it's some sort of cloud service, which doesn't give me much hope.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 07:33 PM (kcfmt)

203 I meant slugs for the 410! Over/under

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 16, 2013 07:34 PM (Sptt8)

204 I am so sorry to hear of your impending loss. Who knew that your trunk would fly open on your way home and accidentally lose the gun as you went over the bridge. Make sure to "borrow one just like it" to keep up with practice, but ixnay-onthay-avinghay-a-abbablegray-ungay.....

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 11:16 PM (kaalw)

DAMN THOSE WATERY GRAVES!!! Noooooooo!!!!! It was so young! IT'S! JUST! NOT! FAIR!!!!! *sobs*

Hello again roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2013 07:34 PM (yh0zB)

205 Phelps 45-70? Smith .460? Smith 500? Just don't get the 500 snubbie, that's just fucking ridiculous. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 11:31 PM (bxiXv) .45-70 Govt. works magic on piggies, and from what I've read, black bears as well. Zombies and drug-addled psychos, I'm not so sure, but aim for the was to be safe.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:35 PM (LEiGw)

206

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 11:33 PM (bxiXv)

Thanks.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 07:35 PM (rZPpd)

207 By was, I mean head...

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:36 PM (LEiGw)

208 Plastics are generally not great at high temperatures.>>

Ejecting from any semi auto would likely be problematic also.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 07:37 PM (qo244)

209 IIRC, you're right that it was buried by the MSM in its coverage. They made the charges against him seem much fuzzier.... or maybe I wasn't paying sufficient attention. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 16, 2013 11:33 PM (C8mVl) MFM delenda est. They choose what to show based on their agenda. They even call themselves "gatekeepers." Remember, the show or paper isn't the product, the reader/viewer is. And the real customers aren't just advertisers, they're owners and investors and editors and so-called journalists and their agendas.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:37 PM (bxiXv)

210 And, BTW, one of the first tricks I intend to use my CNC'd mini-mill to do is manufacture a little 3D printhead holder I can mount in it. No reason you can't use 3-axis control for more than one thing, and I'll likely end up spending less for both systems than I would for a 3D printer alone*.

*exclusive of tooling, which is a freakin' MINT.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 07:37 PM (kaalw)

211 I predict a few shops will be set up where you show up with a block of metal and a program on a USB stick; the shop charges you by the hour for CNC mill time depending on which metal it is and doesn't want to ever see the final product(s).

And, the more restrictive the laws the more popular these shops will be.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2013 07:37 PM (ccXZP)

212 >Can I presume that revolvers are not jumping in price at the same pace?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 11:32 PM (piMMO)

depends what you're looking for- from what I saw at last gun show (1st wknd in Jan) Smith and Wesson revolvers are at a premium

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 07:37 PM (8sCoq)

213 Interesting conversation overheard at the hibachi grill during lunch. Older white guy telling his equally older buddy that he used to be a member of the NRA. But he thinks the NRA is too extreme now. And him being fine with serial numbers being etched in casings to track who bought the bullets.

I guess I could have started to grill him. But A stranger and B the grill belongs to friends and did not want to cause a mess at their place.

LiV can be found across so many demographics.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 07:38 PM (I9Y9q)

214

.45-70 Govt. works magic on piggies, and from what I've read, black bears as well. Zombies and drug-addled psychos, I'm not so sure, but aim for the was to be safe.

Worked pretty well on various Indian tribes, IIRC. At least when not led by Custer...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 07:38 PM (rZPpd)

215 Don't laugh; something, even a .22, is better than nothing. Posted by: General Woundwort at January 16, 2013 11:32 PM (zOP5o) The Chechens use .22LR sniper rifles to great effect in urban warfare in Grozny against the Russians. They can still ruin your day.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:38 PM (LEiGw)

216 I posted it before, but a lawyer I know is one of the leading "gun trust" attorneys. He has a blog and he deals with the real world issues of owning guns. http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:39 PM (piMMO)

217 plus if there's a skilled gunsmith on the thread, I have a Q

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 07:39 PM (8sCoq)

218 Ejecting from any semi auto would likely be problematic also. Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 11:37 PM (qo244) Yes, tensile strength tends to be low. (ejector punches hole, extractor rips through rim, gun malfunctions)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:39 PM (bxiXv)

219 217 plus if there's a skilled gunsmith on the thread, I have a Q Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:39 PM (8sCoq) Well, I'm not one, but I play one on the internet!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:40 PM (bxiXv)

220 Worked pretty well on various Indian tribes, IIRC. At least when not led by Custer... Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 11:38 PM (rZPpd) Well, yeah. That, too, but I don't see the Comanche sweeping into the Mid-Atlantic anytime soon. Coyotes, on the other hand...

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:41 PM (LEiGw)

221 LiV can be found across so many demographics. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 11:38 PM (I9Y9q) Fudds, as in Elmer Fudd Those fuck stains will sell you down the river. They have no idea that the alligator will eat them last and all their pretty walnut and blued rifles, SG's and revolvers will end up in the sam place as my EBR's** **EBR=Evil Black Rifle

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:41 PM (jfSqj)

222 Well what an intriguing evening...I got called in to my keep busy job.....

it is nice to know you were missed, I had not been there for a bit and folks still remembered me.

I would not view a 3d-printer lower as anything more than a Liberty Pistol type device, Trust it for 3-5 shots. Take a weapon if it is that kind of picnic from the ground.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 07:43 PM (LRFds)

223 191 oh, and the same spring.>>

Wont work unless when sold you can only fit 1-2 rounds in them. Springs take up space hence during the last ban they just put long springs in with no spacer. I can't for the life of me figure out how to make one with the right outside build but a long spring hi cap though.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 11:31 PM (qo244)

Make 30 round mag. Put cardboard around spring so you can only load 7 rounds before running into cardboard. Sell as 7 round mag. Customer takes home, throws on barbie, incinerates cardboard (or soaks in water if you make block out of soluble substance instead)....instant 30 round mag.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 07:43 PM (kaalw)

224 Well, I'm not one, but I play one on the internet!>>

That sounds impressive. Have you ever made an MG 42 from tin cans, copper tubing and bailing wire cause I have.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 07:43 PM (qo244)

225 a .22Mag has some pretty devastating ballistics from muzzle to 100yds.

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2013 07:44 PM (vrMj+)

226 I thought Mero or someone had said earlier that she who shall not be named was put on the endangered species list...if so who skinned her for that batthrobe?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 07:44 PM (LRFds)

227 Re: plastic cased ammo There's been a bunch of research in this, and even some production for testing, but getting it to work in the real world is problematic. Scroll down to the last entry on this page for a review of the Natec polymer cased ammo. http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/access.html

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 07:45 PM (KZuD1)

228

Customer takes home, throws on barbie, incinerates cardboard (or soaks in water if you make block out of soluble substance instead)....instant 30 round mag.

Heating high enough to incinerate the cardboard will ruin your spring (650-700 degrees).

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 07:45 PM (rZPpd)

229 Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 11:43 PM (kaalw)>>

Or clip the long spring.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 07:46 PM (qo244)

230 Sven, heh

A Cennobite?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 07:46 PM (I9Y9q)

231 plus if there's a skilled gunsmith on the thread, I have a Q Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:39 PM (8sCoq) what is the Q? not sayin I skilled but can get an answer

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:46 PM (jfSqj)

232 225 garrett,

yes sir....

the PMR 30 is winking at me, as is the Henry carbine in it.

The PMR 30 would be a worthwhile emergency carry gun.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 07:46 PM (LRFds)

233 Does anyone else remember when guns were good clean fun and cowboys were American heroes? sigh. http://tinyurl.com/bcgo7mn I have a real, live cowboy (was in the rodeo with Gene Autry) for a neighbor. I'm going to stop tomorrow and sing a few bars of Ride an Old Paint with him and listen to some of his great stories.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at January 16, 2013 07:47 PM (53riN)

234 Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 11:45 PM (rZPpd) BTW, a couple days ago we were discussing Calvinist/Presbyterian schools with intervisitation rules. You didn't happen to be thinking of Grove City in PA, were you?

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:47 PM (LEiGw)

235 LiV can be found across so many demographics. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 11:38 PM (I9Y9q) LiV ??

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 16, 2013 07:48 PM (M1feW)

236 209 --- "Remember, the show or paper isn't the product, the reader/viewer is. " Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 11:37 PM (bxiXv) Yep. Well said.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 16, 2013 07:48 PM (C8mVl)

237 Posted by: dwagyak at January 16, 2013 11:24 PM (tyBI

The Springfield XD is an excellent weapon and will serve you well. The important thing is that it fits you well and you are comfortable shooting it. Now, get some training. Take a pistol shooting class, not a concealed carry class (take one of those as well) and actually learn how to shoot. It will make a world of difference.

It's not that Delaware has restrictive gun laws. They're actually closer to Virginia as far as ease of purchase, open carry, etc. It's just that there are probably 15 gun shops in the whole state and maybe 2 gun shows a year statewide. Not much of a chance to stock up.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 11:27 PM (LEiGw)

There are only what, three counties in the whole state? You can drive from one end to the other in a couple of hours? Fifteen gun shops, five per county, damn you are swimming in them. (You aren't from Slower Sussex are you?)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2013 07:48 PM (yh0zB)

238

BTW, a couple days ago we were discussing Calvinist/Presbyterian schools with intervisitation rules. You didn't happen to be thinking of Grove City in PA, were you?

Nope. Covenant College, in GA.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 07:48 PM (rZPpd)

239 a .22Mag has some pretty devastating ballisticsfrom muzzle to100yds. Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2013 11:44 PM (vrMj+) Ruger just introduced another LCR polymer framed snubbie revolver in .22 Mag in the last month or so. That actually piques my interest.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 07:48 PM (KZuD1)

240
Shit, a .couple .22 rounds in the cranium will give one a headache that Excedrin won't touch.

Perhaps not the best self defense gun, but I damn sure don't want to be shot with one ANYWHERE.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 16, 2013 07:49 PM (SAMxH)

241 SO

I have this sweet SW Model 10 I got at the gun show. The front sight is a ramp type, serrated upper edge. The previous owner dabbed a little white paint on this serrated edge- when you sight down the barrel, it looks like a white dot. I want to remove this paint. How do I do it without damaging the gun's finish? Tried a brass brush but didn't make much headway

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 07:49 PM (8sCoq)

242 61 BC1981,

the best way to exert change on that front is to join....

Hairy wanted absolution for Ogabecare and got it by his rope a dope amendment.

I am rejoining, so is wife.

Screw them and she'll take the risk in the military.

Time for Barry to know he ain't universally loved, and I am not taking one more step left.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 07:50 PM (LRFds)

243 228
Customer takes home, throws on barbie, incinerates cardboard (or soaks in water if you make block out of soluble substance instead)....instant 30 round mag.

Heating high enough to incinerate the cardboard will ruin your spring (650-700 degrees).

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 11:45 PM (rZPpd)

Fahrenheit 451? Temperature at which paper burns? All I'm saying is that you could easily build a 30 round mag and stuff a 23 round box in the lower part of it so that only the legal 7 rounds would fit, then have a way to get rid of the box -- details about the materials used and method to remove are more of a marketing decision. Then you could sell the crap out of those bad boys until the legislators figured out that you'd made them look like the fools they are and changed the rules....after which, you could surely repeat the process.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 07:50 PM (kaalw)

244 NDH,

I recently became the proud owner of a Ruger SP101 .357.

I am VERY happy with this revolver.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 07:51 PM (TCy/B)

245 235 Lurkasaurus,

LiV=s Low information voter.....

the enabler of free shit army.

"Ben Ghazi? Isn't he that Jewish tailor on canal street?"

Yeah LiV, "yeah"....

*sigh*

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 07:51 PM (LRFds)

246 NDH, I recently became the proud owner of a Ruger SP101 .357. I am VERY happy with this revolver. Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 11:51 PM (TCy/B) **** I'll check it out. And.... welcome to the Rand fan club.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:52 PM (piMMO)

247 I have this sweet SW Model 10 I got at the gun show. The front sight is a ramp type, serrated upper edge. The previous owner dabbed a little white paint on this serrated edge>>

Put some Acetone in a jar and soak the tip overnight then use the brass brush. Not sure it will work but am sure the Acetone will not hurt the metal.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 07:52 PM (qo244)

248 How do I do it without damaging the gun's finish? Tried a brass brush but didn't make much headway Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:49 PM (8sCoq) turn it upside down, so if anything drips it, drips away from the good stuff. try some sort of paint/nail polish remover, no idea on what to use though

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:52 PM (jfSqj)

249 233 Does anyone else remember when guns were good clean fun and cowboys were American heroes?

sigh.

http://tinyurl.com/bcgo7mn

I have a real, live cowboy (was in the rodeo with Gene Autry) for a neighbor. I'm going to stop tomorrow and sing a few bars of Ride an Old Paint with him and listen to some of his great stories.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at January 16, 2013 11:47 PM (53riN)

I used to live just up the canyon from Melody Ranch -- and my uncle used to rent and live in the ranch-house.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 07:53 PM (kaalw)

250 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2013 11:48 PM (yh0zB) Nope, Kent County. 3 gun stores and 2 gunsmiths in the whole county, not counting pawn shops. Most are in Sussex, the redneck county (relatively speaking). The problem is that there's no rifle hunting In the state, so most of the long guns readily available for sale are shotguns or muzzleloaders. If you want an AR or similar, you have to go through Gunbroker, go to PA, or hope the one place in Dover has them. Otherwise, you're boned state-wide.

Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 16, 2013 07:53 PM (LEiGw)

251 230 Ms puma,

YEOWRRAAHHH....

I guess I ought to be humbled....her brother had to be crushed by a moon to make the point they were getting older.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 07:53 PM (LRFds)

252 Scroll down to the last entry on this page for a review of the Natec polymer cased ammo. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 11:45 PM (KZuD1) Now that you mention it, I have seen the polymer rifle ammo. It is more like a shotshell in that it has a metal head. Basically You Can't Print That, at least not yet, on a 3D printer.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:53 PM (bxiXv)

253 241 SO

I have this sweet SW Model 10 I got at the gun show. The front sight is a ramp type, serrated upper edge. The previous owner dabbed a little white paint on this serrated edge- when you sight down the barrel, it looks like a white dot. I want to remove this paint. How do I do it without damaging the gun's finish? Tried a brass brush but didn't make much headway

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:49 PM (8sCoq)

Depends on the type of paint and finish of sight.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 07:54 PM (kaalw)

254 mpfs, if you haven't signed up for Rand's emails, do so. He is pretty damn impressive in his responses to TFG's actions. http://bit.ly/13FUEL4

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:54 PM (piMMO)

255 201

Wow. That must have been creepy to see.
IIRC, you're right that it was buried by the MSM in its coverage. They made the charges against him seem much fuzzier.... or maybe I wasn't paying sufficient attention.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 16, 2013 11:33 PM (C8mVl)

Yeah, the MFM completely glossed over the fact that the victim made it clear that he did not want to proceed. They re-framed the entire story as a "right-to-die" case and the pro-euthanasia crowd dutifully tied their knickers in twists. This is the same shit the MFM pulled with regard to Clinton's impeachment. It wasn't about perjury and obstruction of justice. Nope! It was all about "a stained blue dress." Assholes.

In the video, the victim was hooked into the chair, yelling incoherently (as he did when he backed out two times prior), and Kevorkian yelled back, "It's too late now! It's too late now!" No, it fucking wasn't, but he continued on to murder the guy. I had forgotten about his "artwork," though. Yech.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 07:55 PM (7xeJQ)

256 Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:49 PM (8sCoq) Normally I'd say acetone, but I'm not sure how that would work with a blued finish. You could test the acetone using a q-tip against a small spot under the grips, if you're feeling a bit brave.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 07:55 PM (KZuD1)

257 253 Cthulu,

of course I'd try using the sights first.

If it is properly done with the correct paint it may be a night front blade which can help in low light.

I am pondering getting 3 dots for a Hi-power in 9mm or .357sig

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 07:56 PM (LRFds)

258 Speaking of cowboys, I miss going to rodeos. There has to be one near me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 07:56 PM (piMMO)

259 Make 30 round mag. Put cardboard around spring so you can only load 7 rounds before running into cardboard. Sell as 7 round mag. Customer takes home, throws on barbie, incinerates cardboard (or soaks in water if you make block out of soluble substance instead)....instant 30 round mag. Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 11:43 PM (kaalw) Or, they could take the baseplate off and pull the cardboard out.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 07:56 PM (bxiXv)

260

GCE - Yes, sir! I'm definitely going to take the shooting class first. My bro took the concealed/carry class late last year and I'll ask him about that when the time comes.

It was amazing how right the Springfield felt in my hands after trying out other handguns. I even picked it out from under the case, it wasn't a suggestion from the gunshop guys. We found each other. Which will make the future separation that is in our future very, very sad. (Sob.)

Posted by: dwagyak at January 16, 2013 07:57 PM (tyBI8)

261 Jones, how about a heat gun to soften the paint? Then try your brush again.

Posted by: Rule #2 at January 16, 2013 07:57 PM (CypDC)

262 Can the 3d printers print a gun that can make it through the burger flippers, oh, i mean TSA? It has to cost at least what you make in a year. And made in the country where they speak Austrian.

Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2013 07:57 PM (sqp6o)

263 I have this sweet SW Model 10 I got at the gun show. The front sight is a ramp type, serrated upper edge. The previous owner dabbed a little white paint on this serrated edge- when you sight down the barrel, it looks like a white dot. I want to remove this paint. How do I do it without damaging the gun's finish? Tried a brass brush but didn't make much headway Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:49 PM (8sCoq) or just order a new front sight take the old on off, replace

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:57 PM (jfSqj)

264 I just stumbled across a website I've never seen before.

Has any moron ever heard of JPFO? Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

Wow.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 07:57 PM (TCy/B)

265 Or, they could take the baseplate off and pull the cardboard out.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 11:56 PM (bxiXv)

Sure, if you want to take the EASY way out...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2013 07:58 PM (yh0zB)

266 259 Mero,

or you can hide, or dismantle your hi-caps, buy low caps and be prepared for inspections.

I'm wondering if you go to a public range will they be doing spot checks?

Will "perps" get felony busts?

Misdemeanors?

This is dumber than fuck.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 07:58 PM (LRFds)

267 *furiously taking notes*

Posted by: BATFE agent reading thread at January 16, 2013 07:58 PM (7xeJQ)

268 Has any moron ever heard of JPFO? Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 11:57 PM (TCy/B) yep

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 07:59 PM (jfSqj)

269 or just order a new front sight
take the old on off, replace>>

Or if its a removable site then try anything while its off and buy new if you wreck it.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 08:00 PM (qo244)

270 Thanks NDH!

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 08:01 PM (TCy/B)

271

I wasn't trying to criticize the basic idea, just pointing out a flaw in the plan as outlined.

As long as the temperature didn't go over the temper heat for the spring, you should be fine - however, the difference is only a few hundred degrees and it would be very, very easy to get too hot with an open fire, the more so because the outside would get hotter than the inside, so by the time the inside was hot enough to burn up the paper completely, the outside would probably be too hot and residual heat would continue to heat the inside even after you took it off the grill. I make a lot of my own woodworking tools, so I have some practical experience with heat-treating metal using a torch, forge, or kitchen oven.

Putting it in an oven for half an hour at 500 degrees would work much better - ovens don't really get hot enough to temper springs, and are much more controlled than an open flame.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2013 08:01 PM (rZPpd)

272 Which will make the future separation that is in our future very, very sad. (Sob.)

Posted by: dwagyak at January 16, 2013 11:57 PM (tyBI

I mourn for your (future) loss. But at least you made the most of the time you will have had together.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2013 08:01 PM (yh0zB)

273 264 I just stumbled across a website I've never seen before. Has any moron ever heard of JPFO? Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Wow. Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 11:57 PM (TCy/B) Yes. They are hard core, and I mean that in the best way possible.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 16, 2013 08:01 PM (NEIxp)

274 Another question I've been wondering about on the mill CNC conversion is why everyone replaces the leadscrews, instead of just driving the handscrews by mounting a gear in back of 'em. Being as that would save a bunch of dough. And you wouldn't have to use steppers heavy enough to wrestle the table around.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 08:02 PM (kaalw)

275 I want to remove this paint. How do I do it without damaging the gun's finish? Tried a brass brush but didn't make much headway Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 11:49 PM (8sCoq) Well, you don't know what kind of paint it is, but you should start with a solvent and cloth or soft brush (toothbrush). Alcohol, paint thinner, warm soapy water, acetone. One of them should do it. The brass brush probably won't but may damage the finish, so I would not continue with that. Paint thinner or acetone won't harm bluing unless it's a fresh home job or that fake "painted on" blue or something. Water will if you leave it on, so dry thoroughly. Acetone is probably the best bet (nail polish remover) and you may need a toothpick or nylon brush (toothbrush as I said above). You may have to soak it for a while (won't hurt).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 08:02 PM (bxiXv)

276 I want to remove this paint. How do I do it without damaging the gun's finish? Letting it soak in Goof Off overnight and rubbing it with a coarse towel the next morning might do the trick.

Posted by: booger at January 16, 2013 08:03 PM (HI6wa)

277 Thanks NDH! **** You're welcome. I think the guy's a rock star. There are a few in the party and we just need to take care not to eat them alive.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 08:03 PM (piMMO)

278 That's one yucky, but lucky, Sportster.

Posted by: Metric Cruiser at January 16, 2013 08:03 PM (I88Jc)

279 Has any moron ever heard of JPFO? Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Rand Paul fan at January 16, 2013 11:57 PM (TCy/B) Of course, they're mainstays. You haven't?!?!?!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 08:04 PM (bxiXv)

280 267 BATFE,

here's another datapoint for you....

in a quick entry it is ideal not to shoot your buddy in the back, OR toss a flashbang in less than a second after the kickers entry.

http://youtu.be/I9-BFVNPoHc

Keystone Kommandos Your Friends the BATF and Waco

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:04 PM (LRFds)

281 260
GCE - Yes, sir! I'm definitely going to take the shooting class first. My bro took the concealed/carry class late last year and I'll ask him about that when the time comes.

It was amazing how right the Springfield felt in my hands after trying out other handguns. I even picked it out from under the case, it wasn't a suggestion from the gunshop guys. We found each other. Which will make the future separation that is in our future very, very sad. (Sob.)

Posted by: dwagyak at January 16, 2013 11:57 PM (tyBI

I'm tipping a pint to your soon-to-be-late-lamented as we speak. How romantic, that you found each other!!! How tragic, the loss!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 08:04 PM (kaalw)

282 I thought the printed lower was pretty cool, but then I saw Smith&Wesson's M&P15-22, which is a 22 with a polymer upper and lower. As for magazines, wait until some kid makes one out of a cracker jack box and a slinky.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2013 08:05 PM (FcR7P)

283 This is dumber than fuck. Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 11:58 PM (LRFds) Oh yes indeedy doo dah!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 08:05 PM (bxiXv)

284 266

I'm wondering if you go to a public range will they be doing spot checks?

Will "perps" get felony busts?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 11:58 PM (LRFds)

I was wondering that myself. I'm pretty close to joining a gun club so that a couple of my toys would have access to a long-distance range. However, Frau Fienstien would have said toys registered/confiscated, so I'm surmising that a "spot check" with them and me on the range would immediately render me a federal felon. Thank you, Democrats!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 08:06 PM (7xeJQ)

285 Putting it in an oven for half an hour at 500 degrees would work much better - ovens don't really get hot enough to temper springs, and are much more controlled than an open flame.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 17, 2013 12:01 AM (rZPpd)

Works for me -- and thanks for another little tidbit I'll save for a "rainy day".

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 08:06 PM (kaalw)

286 255 --- Truth means nothing to a Progressive. As Marx himself said, "the point is not to understand the world, but to change it." Power is all that matters.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 16, 2013 08:06 PM (C8mVl)

287 Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 11:51 PM (LRFds) ------ Yeah, like the people who refer to any website that's in any way critical of TFG as a "hate site" or "conspiracy site" blah blah blah. They can't bother to verify anything for themselves. I've had discussions with some LiVs about Breitbart and supposed "editing of video/sound bites" and they won't even watch 3min of video to compare and demonstrate this supposed editing. They don't want to run the chance of anything bursting their bubble.

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 16, 2013 08:06 PM (M1feW)

288 The point I was making about long springs earlier was that is the way the did it during the last ban. There is always a way around this crap but the manufacturer can't make it look like they are putting in a removable part for you to remove. But they have no control over the buyer cutting the things they put in to make it legal.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 08:07 PM (qo244)

289 I searched some online forums as well- seems the consensus is acetone will do the trick and will not harm the gun's bluing

I'd also like to find out the gun's provenance- seller said previous owner was a Denver PD detective- gun is 1964 vintage

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 08:08 PM (8sCoq)

290 'The breadth of change that he proposed' Cracky Squirrel doesn't realize he didn't do shit. He threw any important decisions to Congress. Biggest fucking figurehead we we've ever had. Just go be a celeb you fuck.

Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2013 08:08 PM (sqp6o)

291 Another question I've been wondering about on the mill CNC conversion is why everyone replaces the leadscrews To eliminate backlash. If you're not doing the fancy servo stuff- and you aren't- neither you nor linuxcnc will be able to account for the backlash.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2013 08:09 PM (FcR7P)

292 I'd also like to find out the gun's provenance- seller said previous owner was a Denver PD detective- gun is 1964 vintage Posted by: Jones in CO at January 17, 2013 12:08 AM (8sCoq) In case you missed it above just take the screws out and take the front sight off while you undo the paint job

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 08:10 PM (jfSqj)

293 282 I thought the printed lower was pretty cool, but then I saw Smith&Wesson's M&P15-22, which is a 22 with a polymer upper and lower. Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 12:05 AM (FcR7P) Carbon-15, early 90s? I should have bought that one in 1994, didn't. Even though the early ones had problems cycling (pistols at least). Point being, *not* a new idea.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 08:10 PM (bxiXv)

294 284 Sandra Fluke's Golden parachute,

Yeah pretty much...I can't wait until moral citizens pay a higher price for having a 15 shot M-1 Carbine clip than a perp pays for using a saturday night special in a hold up.

Good job Donks, let me help you with a NYPD reload and hand you another pistol to shoot your right nut off the left one made a neat pop.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:11 PM (LRFds)

295 287 Lurkasaurus,

we play politics to try to free the economy from their theft....

they play politics as a sacrament to God....

different games.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:13 PM (LRFds)

296 Plastics are generally not great at high temperatures.

Are you saying they exhibit plasticity?

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2013 08:13 PM (Kr3Y8)

297 Mero, Carbon-15's suck to shoot. recoil is not fun even on a little .223 I had a chance to shoot one in the 90's and decided no thanks on that

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 08:15 PM (jfSqj)

298 Master and Margerita is an amazing book. More like Gabriel Garcia Marquez than Dostoyevsky.

/oh God. I wrote that I didn't I? And I can't even make the excuse of "I'm a lit major" or "I was studying Russian." No wonder there isn't a Mr. Shibumi...

Posted by: shibumi at January 16, 2013 08:15 PM (z63Tr)

299 297 Jake in ID,

at the right pricepoint it would be a nice back up carbine.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:16 PM (LRFds)

300 290 'The breadth of change that he proposed'

Cracky Squirrel doesn't realize he didn't do shit. He threw any important decisions to Congress.

Biggest fucking figurehead we we've ever had.

Just go be a celeb you fuck.

Posted by: RWC at January 17, 2013 12:08 AM (sqp6o)

Here's what he accomplished. He dropped his drawers on national television and invited Congress to wipe his ass with the Constitution. It's an embarrassment to the office, an offense against his oath, an insult to the citizens, and an erosion of our national character. The big debate is whether to point and loudly scoff or stay silent and allow decorum to prevail -- but any idiot coming forward to support this odious perversion is walking into a potential free-fire zone.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 08:17 PM (kaalw)

301 Hi ont, getting a real bad feeling the last couple days. And I mean worse then the last four years.

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 08:18 PM (adaoe)

302 Anybody watch Dana Loesch make Piers her bitch? Just throw in the towel dude.

Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2013 08:19 PM (sqp6o)

303 301 Lou's a girl,

He is gonna make the last four years look like Jmes madison is in charge, the good news is he might save the nation....

by splitting it.

There's that.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:20 PM (LRFds)

304 Hi ont, getting a real bad feeling the last couple days. And I mean worse then the last four years. **** I like to remind people that he hasn't even begun his second term yet.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 08:20 PM (piMMO)

305 302 RWC,

He has to cover his mangina with it...he started early.

What's Dana perino up to BTW?

She go nuts?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:21 PM (LRFds)

306 /oh God. I wrote that I didn't I? And I can't even make the excuse of "I'm a lit major" or "I was studying Russian." No wonder there isn't a Mr. Shibumi...

Posted by: shibumi at January 17, 2013 12:15 AM (z63Tr)

I'm deeply sorry that I laughed at this.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2013 08:21 PM (yh0zB)

307 Shibumi there is always 'The Island of Crimea' to read. Once I got done I wanted to turn it upside down to see if that satirical comedy read any better.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 08:22 PM (I9Y9q)

308 304 NDH,

Correct I can't wait until he laughs his ass off an says openly, "fuck precedent Harry's got my back!" Openly.

Hairy is gonna undo the filibuster to media applause and the media will "forget" they decried the "nuclear option" as "breaking sacred tradition"....

and I will take another step away from loyalty...slowly but surely step by step I walk.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:22 PM (LRFds)

309

Thanks guys, sheesh I always count on the optimists on the ont to make me feel better, but hell, whats to feel good about.

One good thing I read, a sheriff in Oregon said he will arrest federal gun grabbers, thought that was cool.

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 08:22 PM (adaoe)

310 291 Another question I've been wondering about on the mill CNC conversion is why everyone replaces the leadscrews

To eliminate backlash. If you're not doing the fancy servo stuff- and you aren't- neither you nor linuxcnc will be able to account for the backlash.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 12:09 AM (FcR7P)

*Ah, someone who sounds informed!*

But at low feedrates and limited use (this is not for "production", just the occasional AR lower.....j/k), is this really an issue? I mean, this guy isn't even using coolant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW9AsWEWrs0 .

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 08:23 PM (kaalw)

311 Is anyone else unable to access GatesOfVienna? Posted by: Bob, Person of Hench at January 16, 2013 10:53 PM (1efte) late, but no access here

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 08:24 PM (jfSqj)

312 Denver PD detective- gun is 1964 vintage>>

I'd start with a Bing/Google search of SW model 10 and the serial#

Then move on to these sites.

http://tinyurl.com/ap87uw3

http://tinyurl.com/2688qns

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 08:24 PM (qo244)

313 May want to adjust your speakers' volume down.
BabyMetal - Doki Doki Morning
http://youtu.be/i4xG7Jw2QVw

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 08:24 PM (I9Y9q)

314 Oh, and in case anyone missed it, this Red Letter Media video about Prometheus is about 4 minutes long, too. And funny.

http://redlettermedia.com/red-letter-media-talks-about-prometheus-spoilers/

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 16, 2013 08:25 PM (7xeJQ)

315 309 Lou's a Girl,

Yup...look Lou the path is dark and overgrown, the storm is lowing a rumble, there is a cold wind but SCOAMF is driving allies to us who will be angry, and we may just get to save Locke and Smith by simply refusing to let them play their double standard games and ignoring them until they kill some of us and we leave or declare war.

or we could just cave.

Something will happen but the USA that existed in Jan 2008 is gonna be dead forever one way or the other by 2016.

Thanks LiV and FSA and fuck you.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:25 PM (LRFds)

316 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 17, 2013 12:21 AM

It's OK. I have come to peace with my Uber Nerdiness.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 12:22 AM

God help me, I looked it up on Amazon and it sounds intriguing.

Would it help any to say something like "Sometimes I enjoy watching Kitchen Nightmares?"

Posted by: shibumi at January 16, 2013 08:26 PM (z63Tr)

317 For Lou's a girl something a bit more upbeat. Happy bouncy colorful cute and in Japanese.
http://youtu.be/6ZZ_ncgjau4

The Morons will probably be in the bunk after this while fantasizing about Battle Royale.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 08:27 PM (I9Y9q)

318 That damn Walmart. Evil! Evil, I tell ya! http://bit.ly/13FUEL4

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 08:28 PM (piMMO)

319 Americans Held Hostage: Day 2

Posted by: CraigPoe at January 16, 2013 08:29 PM (BVkEs)

320 What's Dana perino up to BTW? She go nuts? Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2013 12:21 AM (LRFds) No idea. Please tell me she didn't go 'anti?' Or was that just a general question?

Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2013 08:29 PM (sqp6o)

321 eh...maybe I'm not quite ready for that park bench yet...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2013 08:29 PM (yh0zB)

322 I'm watching that show, Catfish, and it's pretty interesting.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 08:30 PM (piMMO)

323 GGE, don't end up on a park bench in Seattle. The police might accidentally shoot you and call it a righteous shoot.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 08:30 PM (I9Y9q)

324 320 RWC,

there was some noise I forget if it was Perino or Loesch...

I have a headache.

I'll look one of them did something that made noise.

I hate noise.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:31 PM (LRFds)

325 Anyway. Night all.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2013 08:31 PM (I9Y9q)

326 eh...maybe I'm not quite ready for that park bench yet...>>

Neither was I.

Posted by: Vince Foster at January 16, 2013 08:31 PM (qo244)

327 GGE, don't end up on a park bench in Seattle. The police might accidentally shoot you and call it a righteous shoot. **** How about jacking it in San Diego?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 08:33 PM (piMMO)

328 there was some noise I forget if it was Perino or Loesch... Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2013 12:31 AM (LRFds) Dark hair and freakishly hot or lighter hair but still pretty hot?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 08:33 PM (bxiXv)

329 I'm watching that show, Catfish, and it's pretty interesting.>>

Is that the one about noodling?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 08:33 PM (qo244)

330 "Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency"

http://tinyurl.com/a6aoyxx

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 08:34 PM (wwsoB)

331 325 Anyway. Night all. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 12:31 AM (I9Y9q) Goodnight! I think I may have to check out, too. Having issues.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 08:34 PM (bxiXv)

332 GGE, don't end up on a park bench in Seattle. The police might accidentally shoot you and call it a righteous shoot.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 12:30 AM (I9Y9q)

Yeah, the trench coat may be a factor in that...thanks for the tip and good night!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2013 08:34 PM (yh0zB)

333 328 Mero,

was mentioned here in a thread...
I think they're both cute enough...if one of 'em went anti I may foreswear Fox and start watching Pravda they're honest.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:34 PM (LRFds)

334 Can't get the Gates of Vienna either.

Hacked?

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 16, 2013 08:36 PM (QTHTd)

335 Night Anna & Merovign. Sweet dreams

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 08:37 PM (adaoe)

336 I am going to drool a bit....y'all be safe

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 08:37 PM (LRFds)

337 wouldn't mind resting my keys on these One Piece hooks
http://tinyurl.com/aorpt4s

of course, it also kinda makes me wish I cared about One Piece

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 08:38 PM (vJdyz)

338 OK, I'm out, too. Gotta find a place for a car show tomorrow (find the place, not have the show). Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2013 08:39 PM (yh0zB)

339 But at low feedrates and limited use (this is not for "production", just the occasional AR lower.....j/k), is this really an issue? Backlash means your table stops at different places for the same coordinate depending on which direction it came from. Are you thinking of 80% lowers? I don't know what the accuracy requirements are.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2013 08:39 PM (FcR7P)

340 I don't remember the exact quote but some Soviet (maybe Stalin himself) called The Master and Margarita something like "an insult to Soviet reality" which meant I had to read it and I loved it.

Posted by: Snake Oil Baron at January 16, 2013 08:40 PM (RKeHi)

341 At least if you become a One Piece follower you know what you'll be doing for the rest of your life.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 08:41 PM (kcfmt)

342 Trending at the top on Twitter ;

#ReplaceASongTitleWithTank

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 08:41 PM (wwsoB)

343 Can't get the Gates of Vienna either. Hacked? Posted by: boulder hobo at January 17, 2013 12:36 AM (QTHTd) nobody knows Vlad Tepes indicated the owners of goV don't know either

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 08:42 PM (jfSqj)

344 At least if you become a One Piece follower you know what you'll be doing for the rest of your life.

Posted by: epobirs at January 17, 2013 12:41 AM (kcfmt)

yeah, that is a long ass running show/manga. Watched the first few episodes when it started but it just seemed like a standard Dragon Ball style anime so I stopped watching it

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 08:44 PM (vJdyz)

345 > "Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency"

IT IS

It's located in Bailey Colorado!

http://is.gd/wNAeFs

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 08:44 PM (8sCoq)

346 yep, this is a hugging pillow alright
http://tinyurl.com/byqw99r

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 08:46 PM (vJdyz)

347 And about a mile up the road is the best hot dog joint west of NYC

http://is.gd/WkC0jm

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 08:47 PM (8sCoq)

348

Dang everyone leaving? Sorry

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 08:47 PM (adaoe)

349 Is that the one about noodling? **** Nope. It's an MTV show where folks in online relationships reveal themselves. Two years later and that hot girl turns out to be a fat, gay man.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 08:47 PM (piMMO)

350 #ReplaceASongTitleWithTank>>

If I knew how to twitter this would be mine. "The Tank is on fire" (let the Mfer burn)

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 08:47 PM (qo244)

351 Do Not click on any of those Dude links. They will direct you to Japanese anime products which you may have trouble explaining to your wife or girlfriend, if you are lucky enough to have one.

Posted by: navybrat at January 16, 2013 08:47 PM (WJ6P7)

352

Posted by: navybrat at January 17, 2013 12:47 AM (WJ6P7)

http://tinyurl.com/banl2np

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 08:49 PM (vJdyz)

353 @291
Actually, LinuxCNC CAN account for the backlash, as can MACH, the windows equivalent. A serviceable 2-axis CNC machine can be built out of one of these mini-mills with just a couple of stepper motors and their controllers.

That said, the vertical (Z-axis) on them uses a rack-and-pinion arrangement, and the stability is notoriously bad. If you are doing anything with even medium tolerance, you pretty much have to put some kind of lead screw in there. The horizontal lead screws are not very good quality, little better than a chunk of all-thread bar. And the screw pitch is neither metric nor conveniently imperial, so the math gets ugly fast.

So you're going to have to replace them sometime anyway, you need to add the vertical leadscrew regardless, replacing the whole set at once is less trouble, not a lot more expensive, sets you up more or less permanently, and saves you trouble down the road. Why not?

Posted by: Intellectuals up against the wall! at January 16, 2013 08:49 PM (g1kPC)

354 out

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 16, 2013 08:50 PM (jfSqj)

355 If I knew how to twitter this would be mine. "The Tank is on fire" (let the Mfer burn) *** Tweeting is easy! Just sign up and tweet away. There are lots of morons there and there's no pressure. Tweet when you want and bail when you want.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 08:50 PM (piMMO)

356 Two years later and that hot girl turns out to be a fat, gay man.

It's the Internet. All hot girls are fat gay men.

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 16, 2013 08:50 PM (QTHTd)

357 Two years later and that hot girl turns out to be a fat, gay man.>>

Well at least that makes those Noodling guys appear more sane.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 08:52 PM (qo244)

358 I get the message 'the blog at gatesofvienna.blogspot.com has been removed'.

The message is from Google.

Have I mentioned I hate Google?

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2013 08:54 PM (ccXZP)

359 The ONT has been usurped

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 16, 2013 08:54 PM (8sCoq)

360 339 But at low feedrates and limited use (this is not for "production", just the occasional AR lower.....j/k), is this really an issue?

Backlash means your table stops at different places for the same coordinate depending on which direction it came from. Are you thinking of 80% lowers? I don't know what the accuracy requirements are.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 12:39 AM (FcR7P)

That was not my understanding of backlash, but then I'm new to this -- I thought it was whether you ended up somewhere during cutting or whether you just went there.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 08:55 PM (kaalw)

361

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 17, 2013 12:54 AM (ccXZP)

dunno why, it's removed from all the search engines

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 08:55 PM (vJdyz)

362 The ONT has been usurped **** Dark matter? No thank you.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 08:55 PM (piMMO)

363 2 dogs talking over Skype http://scoamf.us/5V BTW I really mean two dogs

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 16, 2013 08:56 PM (M1feW)

364

The Internet:

Where men are men, the women are men, the lesbians are very horny men, and children are FBI agents.

Posted by: buzzion at January 16, 2013 08:57 PM (GULKT)

365 348 Dang everyone leaving? Sorry Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 12:47 AM (adaoe) I came back to say goodnight to you because you are AWESOME! http://preview.tinyurl.com/bktu2z5

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 08:59 PM (bxiXv)

366 The ONT has been usurped Posted by: Jones in CO at January 17, 2013 12:54 AM (8sCoq) Yup. Quite a few people over at the "trippin' balls" thread...

Posted by: I'm trippin' Hats here at January 16, 2013 08:59 PM (Vk2pI)

367 353 @291
Actually, LinuxCNC CAN account for the backlash, as can MACH, the windows equivalent. A serviceable 2-axis CNC machine can be built out of one of these mini-mills with just a couple of stepper motors and their controllers.

That said, the vertical (Z-axis) on them uses a rack-and-pinion arrangement, and the stability is notoriously bad. If you are doing anything with even medium tolerance, you pretty much have to put some kind of lead screw in there. The horizontal lead screws are not very good quality, little better than a chunk of all-thread bar. And the screw pitch is neither metric nor conveniently imperial, so the math gets ugly fast.

So you're going to have to replace them sometime anyway, you need to add the vertical leadscrew regardless, replacing the whole set at once is less trouble, not a lot more expensive, sets you up more or less permanently, and saves you trouble down the road. Why not?

Posted by: Intellectuals up against the wall! at January 17, 2013 12:49 AM (g1kPC)

Hmmmnm.....if the math is encapsulated into software, what do I care?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 08:59 PM (kaalw)

368 That was not my understanding of backlash That video you referenced, did you see that he later machined a Delrin lower (he'd made a mistake on his aluminum one)? He did that before the whole hubbub about a printed lower.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2013 09:01 PM (FcR7P)

369 http://preview.tinyurl.com/bktu2z5

Posted by: Merovign

You too!! Have a good weekend if I dont chat at ya.

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:01 PM (adaoe)

370

Fap-horde! How I miss you alls! Still spending every goddamn spare second playing words with friends with my madre. I like it, though, because I don't have that many more years with her. Here's what I wanted to impart: I find myself wanting to play words like Cthulu, and kbdabear, dogeh, and lolz, and other bullshit that seem like words to me. So crazy how teh interwebz infect our beings. Maybe it's just me. :0

Posted by: kalneva at January 16, 2013 09:02 PM (S+/pH)

371 That was not my understanding of backlash, but then I'm new to this -- I thought it was whether you ended up somewhere during cutting or whether you just went there.>>

Think of a cheap Chinese vise and the best vise you've ever used. The cheap one will take a 1/4 turn before the vise face moves a good vice will immediately move with the turning handle. Or like slop in a steering wheel of an old car. Electronics have a hard time accounting for that slop because they read this many spins clockwise this many counter. If there is a 25% error to start movement you are fucked.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 09:02 PM (qo244)

372 The Internet: Where men are men, the women are men, the lesbians are very horny men, and children are FBI agents. **** Ain't it the truth?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 09:03 PM (piMMO)

373 lol. WiiU in Japan sold 20k last week

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 09:03 PM (vJdyz)

374

That means no more Val-U-Rite I am to assume......DANG!

Always late as of late....

Posted by: Richard at January 16, 2013 09:03 PM (bplbs)

375 Where men are men, the women are men, the lesbians are very horny men, and children are FBI agents. >>

If used properly it is just where all the women are super models.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 09:06 PM (qo244)

376

DAMN YOU NIED!!!!

Wine all over my desk........

Posted by: Richard at January 16, 2013 09:06 PM (bplbs)

377 So now I have to bid goodnight, even before I start imparting all my wisdom. Your loss, I'm afraid. g'night, morons. Be good.

Posted by: kalneva at January 16, 2013 09:06 PM (S+/pH)

378 377 So now I have to bid goodnight, even before I start imparting all my wisdom. Your loss, I'm afraid. g'night,morons. Be good.

Posted by: kalneva at January 17, 2013 01:06 AM (S+/pH)

dang, kalneva too, I will miss you most of all

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:10 PM (adaoe)

379 Ruger investment casts lots of their parts

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 16, 2013 09:12 PM (/7Xis)

380 So, is Remington gonna get the hell out of New York?

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:12 PM (adaoe)

381 who the fuck puts a thread above the overnight thread? do you really expect me to read closely enough to realize that a "late night" thread is distinct from an "overnight thread?"

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 16, 2013 09:13 PM (Z9EHQ)

382 So, is Remington gonna get the hell out of New York? Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:12 AM (adaoe) everyone who is able and smart enough to understand why the should is getting out of new york.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 16, 2013 09:14 PM (Z9EHQ)

383 So, is Remington gonna get the hell out of New York?>>

Looks like they already have.

Employment
Corporate Headquarters

    Product Manager - Ammunition - Madison, NC

Manufacturing

    Key Account Manager, TAPCO - Kennesaw, GA
    Sales Manager, TAPCO - Kennesaw, GA
    Staff Engineer - Elizabethtown, KY

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 09:17 PM (qo244)

384

You cant climb cut on a machine that has backlash. You have to conventional cut. The flutes of the endmill have to be pushed into the material . To negate backlash on a precision job you have to approach in a + move for the axis involved.

You can pick up a Haas toolroom mill for about $25K. Prob beyond most peoples budget

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 16, 2013 09:17 PM (/7Xis)

385 who was posting about the nearly finished lowers / paperwieghts? it is a good idea.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 16, 2013 09:17 PM (Z9EHQ)

386 382 So, is Remington gonna get the hell out of New York?
Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:12 AM (adaoe)

everyone who is able and smart enough to understand why the should is getting out of new york.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 17, 2013 01:14 AM (Z9EHQ)

Well NV has a lot of unemployed who would kill for a job with them, they should consider moving here. No state tax, but yeah, we are stuck with dirty harry..

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:17 PM (adaoe)

387 who the fuck puts a thread above the overnight thread? do you really expect me to read closely enough to realize that a "late night" thread is distinct from an "overnight thread?"

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 17, 2013 01:13 AM (Z9EHQ)

Not only that, but that shit is unreadable for me

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 16, 2013 09:18 PM (/7Xis)

388 368 That was not my understanding of backlash

That video you referenced, did you see that he later machined a Delrin lower (he'd made a mistake on his aluminum one)? He did that before the whole hubbub about a printed lower.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 01:01 AM (FcR7P)

Last year, I did a couple of field-trips up to Type A Machines in San Francisco -- great folks, BTW, very friendly and helpful -- and if you're thinking of a standalone 3D printer, theirs would be an excellent one to get. As a result, I got a feel for what objects I would prefer to make with 3D printing and what objects I would prefer to mill -- the G-Code for both is very similar (the inside and the outside are separated by one "pixel"). Hollow, nested objects -- 3D printing, hands down.

But mechanisms? For one thing, 3D printing is "iffy" on scale. The whole lingo of machining involves part-to-part interoperability...3D printing is more geared to one-offs.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 09:19 PM (kaalw)

389 Well NV has a lot of unemployed who would kill for a job with them, they should consider moving here. No state tax, but yeah, we are stuck with dirty harry.. Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:17 AM (adaoe) cuomo and his midnight massacre of the legislative process are a symbolic of what is wrong with ny. there are people in other places that get it and are making smart moves - like dumping income taxes. ny has such an in grained spoils / political patronage system, which is divided among racial, ethnic, and other groups that it is screwed - until it becomes untenable.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 16, 2013 09:21 PM (Z9EHQ)

390 cuomo and his midnight massacre of the legislative process are a symbolic of what is wrong with ny. there are people in other places that get it and are making smart moves - like dumping income taxes. ny has such an in grained spoils / political patronage system, which is divided among racial, ethnic, and other groups that it is screwed - until it becomes untenable.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 17, 2013 01:21 AM (Z9EHQ)

I loved the dem women who claimed gun deaths will now go down in NY, wait a few years ya dumb bitch! Gonna look like Chicago. Say goodbye to tourism

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:24 PM (adaoe)

391 Well NV has a lot of unemployed who would kill for a job with them, they should consider moving here. No state tax, but yeah, we are stuck with dirty harry.. Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:17 AM (adaoe) oh yeah, and another thing, ny has as many if not more unemployed. you should see the number of over forty guys I know who lost their jobs as mid-level and up executives in finance, insurance, and real estate that have been looking for jobs since 2008. I am guessing they are classified as long term unemployed and not even counted anymore since they have run out of places to look and having a rough time coming to grips with the idea that their next job is not going to be at the same level or higher than their previous job.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 16, 2013 09:24 PM (Z9EHQ)

392 I loved the dem women who claimed gun deaths will now go down in NY, wait a few years ya dumb bitch! Gonna look like Chicago. Say goodbye to tourism Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:24 AM (adaoe) in the last several years they have been going up ni the ne. newark and philly have problems with people shooting cops - illegal firearms of course.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 16, 2013 09:26 PM (Z9EHQ)

393 any word on MissTammy?

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 16, 2013 09:27 PM (Z9EHQ)

394 Well NV has a lot of unemployed who would kill for a job with them, they should consider moving here. No state tax, but yeah, we are stuck with dirty harry.. Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:17 AM (adaoe) Reid will be out in '16, most likely. Sandoval will beat him in '16, making the '14 Lt. Gov. race key in Nevada... Also, I'm trying to get an "underground railgoad" set-up for the few remaining non-socialists in California to escape to...

Posted by: The Underground Railroad Hat at January 16, 2013 09:28 PM (Vk2pI)

395 384 You cant climb cut on a machine that has backlash. You have to conventional cut. The flutes of the endmill have to be pushed into the material . To negate backlash on a precision job you have to approach in a + move for the axis involved.

You can pick up a Haas toolroom mill for about $25K. Prob beyond most peoples budget

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 17, 2013 01:17 AM (/7Xis)

Again, I'm new to this, but http://littlemachineshop.com/Info/MiniMillUsersGuide.pdf has "On light mills like the mini mill, use conventional milling for all but the lightest cuts. Then, take your final cut of one or two thousandths of an inch using climb milling for the best surface finish." -- I had figured that and a bit of experimentation would do well for me.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 09:29 PM (kaalw)

396 I have a feeling nyc is going to be safer than the average city. nyc has a lot going on that other cities do not have, save for maybe la, because of their large force and everything associated with terrorist threats. Very robust intelligence capability, roaming cobra squads, and relatively capable management .

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 16, 2013 09:30 PM (Z9EHQ)

397 I did a couple of field-trips up to Type A Machines in San Francisco Their machine moves nicely in the "Walnut" video.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2013 09:30 PM (FcR7P)

398 Basically, NYC and Long Island voted almost unanimously in favor of Cuomo's gun ban. Almost all of upstate NY voted against it. Clearly, NY state needs to be split into two states. http://tinyurl.com/b42koyl

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 09:31 PM (Vk2pI)

399 Reid will be out in '16, most likely. Sandoval will beat him in '16, making the '14 Lt. Gov. race key in Nevada...

Also, I'm trying to get an "underground railgoad" set-up for the few remaining non-socialists in California to escape to...

Posted by: The Underground Railroad Hat at January 17, 2013 01:28 AM (Vk2pI)

Well if we had a media in this country, Reid might be out now because of bribes. But alas, he is a demoncrat so gets a slide by the fifth estate.

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:32 PM (adaoe)

400 396 I have a feeling nyc is going to be safer than the average city. nyc has a lot going on that other cities do not have, save for maybe la, because of their large force and everything associated with terrorist threats. Very robust intelligence capability, roaming cobra squads, and relatively capable management .

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 17, 2013 01:30 AM (Z9EHQ)

Yeah they do get a shitload of money from the government. That whole paragraph was terrifying btw

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:34 PM (adaoe)

401 Again, I'm new to this, but http://littlemachineshop.com/Info/MiniMillUsersGuide.pdf That looks like it would work great on the 80% lowers using the jigs that someone sells. Wouldn't be any need for a conversion.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2013 09:36 PM (FcR7P)

402 Well if we had a media in this country, Reid might be out now because of bribes. But alas, he is a demoncrat so gets a slide by the fifth estate. Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:32 AM (adaoe) Gov. SUNNY (Gov. Sandoval), will likely win re-election in '14. It is strongly rumored that he will run against Reid in '16. Due to the fact that Sandoval has strong ties to the "gambling industry," likely stronger than Reid, it means that Reid will retire or become toast in '16.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 09:36 PM (Vk2pI)

403 I had figured that and a bit of experimentation would do well for me.>>

Most everything that was done in the past just took a guy that really knew his crappy by today's tolerances machine. If you spend enough time experimenting what errors your macine produces (assuming they are reproducible) you will be able to do most anything.

Like shooting if the aim is off to the left and you have the ability to compensate for it you'll always hit the ten ring. Though if the errors are random in nature you are fucked.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 09:37 PM (qo244)

404 The Democrat's presumptive nominee for NV Sec. of State believes in backwards flowing time: http://tinyurl.com/abusrkl and http://tinyurl.com/abusrkl

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 09:39 PM (Vk2pI)

405

Given the most recent works of 120 day 2nd term wonderkid, I am thinking...

"Isolate and Concentrate." This is how you start these things I'm guessing without pouring over the history of 1930's Germany and the USSR for obvious references.

Isolate all gun makers and bullet makers, concentrate them in defined states that at 1st blush want them doing businesss there then...... take out all family owned industries across the country, then you can have total control over the remaining major producers thru your crony state that you have bought and paid for in the meantime.....dang, we be boned........

Posted by: Richard at January 16, 2013 09:39 PM (bplbs)

406 Due to the fact that Sandoval has strong ties to the "gambling industry," likely stronger than Reid, it means that Reid will retire or become toast in '16.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 01:36 AM (Vk2pI)

We should be so lucky, he will become a lobbyist.. At least his fucktard son lost, so theres that!!

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:40 PM (adaoe)

407 um....
http://tinyurl.com/9wtwfwu

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 09:41 PM (vJdyz)

408 DAMN YOU NIED!!!! Wine all over my desk........ **** Blame Buzzion for that one!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 16, 2013 09:45 PM (piMMO)

409 The Political Hat, who is in the running for Lt Gov?

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:47 PM (adaoe)

410 397 I did a couple of field-trips up to Type A Machines in San Francisco

Their machine moves nicely in the "Walnut" video.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 01:30 AM (FcR7P)

If you're thinking of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKWj_ppMoyo, it does nicely highlight their extended bed dimensions.

If anyone is really interested the problem with 3D printing is that you're essentially trying to build dimensional, measurable items by squirting toothpaste. It's a big deal when software has a feature to randomly start loops with the plastic instead of having them all aligned at a seam. Bridging gaps by letting extruded plastic droop and building more plastic on it actually works.

The only big criticism with Type A is that they only do PLA because ABS needs a heated stage. ABS is what legos are made of -- food grade possible, stable for decades. PLA is some BS pseudoplastic the greenies worship because you can compost it. I've sent them info on quick-and-easy heated stages, but haven't seen it.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 09:47 PM (kaalw)

411 um.... http://tinyurl.com/9wtwfwu Posted by: The Dude at January 17, 2013 01:41 AM (vJdyz) I'm reminded of AMV Hell 0. "How much is that doggie in the window..." Curse you for reminding me of that...

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at January 16, 2013 09:48 PM (Vk2pI)

412 I'm reminded of AMV Hell 0.>>

It just made me wonder how the dog tied her wrists.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 09:50 PM (qo244)

413 OMG Inaguration day coming up, so excited! Cannot contain myself! Wheeeee

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:51 PM (adaoe)

414

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at January 17, 2013 01:48 AM (Vk2pI)

sad part is if it wasn't for shipping, I would probably buy it for the laugh factor (and yes, that dog has a horse cock that actually inserts into her)

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 09:51 PM (vJdyz)

415 Dude WTF

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 16, 2013 09:52 PM (qo244)

416 401 Again, I'm new to this, but http://littlemachineshop.com/Info/MiniMillUsersGuide.pdf

That looks like it would work great on the 80% lowers using the jigs that someone sells. Wouldn't be any need for a conversion.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 01:36 AM (FcR7P)

Oh, I agree -- it makes the 80% thing look like a the absolute joke that it is.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 09:52 PM (kaalw)

417 The Political Hat, who is in the running for Lt Gov? Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:47 AM (adaoe) Sen. Barbara Cegavske wants to run for Lt. Gov. but is being encouraged to run for Sec. of State. The A.G. Catherine Cortez-Masto will either run for Gov. or perhaps Lt. Gov. Current Sec. of State Miller (son of a popular gov. and friend of far-left "voter rights" groups -- I'll be posting at http://politicalhat.com about his little elections forum he held this weekend), is running for A. G. Sandoval is planning to run a minion as Lt. Gov. to take over for him when he reasigns after beating Reid in '16.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 09:54 PM (Vk2pI)

418 PLA is some BS pseudoplastic the greenies worship because you can compost it. I saw that. Corn plastic. Kind of rules out anything of value. I just haven't caught the 3D printing bug yet.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2013 09:55 PM (FcR7P)

419 Dude WTF

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 17, 2013 01:52 AM (qo244)

wut?

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 09:55 PM (vJdyz)

420 sad part is if it wasn't for shipping, I would probably buy it for the laugh factor (and yes, that dog has a horse cock that actually inserts into her) Posted by: The Dude at January 17, 2013 01:51 AM (vJdyz) It is a free download...

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at January 16, 2013 09:56 PM (Vk2pI)

421 #373

Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder if I made a dire mistake by breaking my rule about buying a new platform in its first year. This time next year I may feel differently but meanwhile I could have gotten away a lot cheaper if I just wanted to play Wii games in the backward compatibility mode.

It would be a lot cooler if you could play the Wii games that don't need motion input on the GamePad screen. That would make it handy for using on the treadmill.

But I've blown larger amounts on more worthless items in the past.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 09:56 PM (kcfmt)

422 It is a free download...
Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at January 17, 2013 01:56 AM (Vk2pI)

the figure is a free download?

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 09:57 PM (vJdyz)

423

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 01:54 AM (Vk2pI)

who do you want to run?

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:57 PM (adaoe)

424 I liked Bob Beers, yeah, not just for the name, tee hee.

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 09:58 PM (adaoe)

425

Posted by: epobirs at January 17, 2013 01:56 AM (kcfmt)

well, more than likely Iwata loses his job (though Yamauchi is the one who should be getting the boot) and Nintendo goes the way of 3DS in Panic Mode which worked out quite well for them (as it rules 70% of the game market in Japan). If nothing else, you'll probably get some free Ambassador games

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 09:59 PM (vJdyz)

426 the figure is a free download? Posted by: The Dude at January 17, 2013 01:57 AM (vJdyz) Ah. Thought you were referring to AMV Hell 0.

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at January 16, 2013 10:00 PM (Vk2pI)

427

obama sounds like hes so drugged out during his takedown of the Constitution, wtf!

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 10:02 PM (adaoe)

428 418 PLA is some BS pseudoplastic the greenies worship because you can compost it.

I saw that. Corn plastic. Kind of rules out anything of value.

I just haven't caught the 3D printing bug yet.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 01:55 AM (FcR7P)

There's some undeniable coolness there -- including the off-patent lego thing -- http://boingboing.net/2005/11/17/judge-to-lego-your-p.html .

But there are also significant limitations, which many folks are glossing over.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 10:02 PM (kaalw)

429 Ah.

Thought you were referring to AMV Hell 0.

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at January 17, 2013 02:00 AM (Vk2pI)

nope, the figure. Would put in on the mantel with one of the track lights on it

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 10:02 PM (vJdyz)

430 Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 01:54 AM (Vk2pI) who do you want to run? I liked Bob Beers, yeah, not just for the name, tee hee. Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:58 AM (adaoe) Last time I ran for public office, I only go 80K votes... I've been encouraged to run for the Board of Regents in Nevada, and I might take them up on the possibility in the future... Bob Beers is currently on the Las Vegas city council, BTW.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 10:02 PM (Vk2pI)

431 I'm reminded of AMV Hell 0. "How much is that doggie in the window..."

Posted by: ÂÂÂŽÂ¡Â“IÂ‚ÃˆÂ–XÂŽq at January 17, 2013 01:48 AM

Oooooo... I like that song.

Posted by: barry soetoro at January 16, 2013 10:02 PM (yBF/9)

432 Bob Beers is currently on the Las Vegas city council, BTW.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 02:02 AM (Vk2pI)

Did he serve in congress? Good to know he is still serving the public, I have always liked him.

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 10:04 PM (adaoe)

433 who do you want to run? Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 01:57 AM (adaoe) Well. Wayne Allen Root has indicated that he is interested in running against Reid in '16. If he runs for Lt. Gov. in '14, and manages to get it, he'd be Gov. in '17 and '18.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 10:05 PM (Vk2pI)

434 though that figure does remind me a little bit of the dog fucking the chick in Gantz

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 10:05 PM (vJdyz)

435 Last time I ran for public office, I only go 80K votes...

I've been encouraged to run for the Board of Regents in Nevada, and I might take them up on the possibility in the future...

Bob Beers is currently on the Las Vegas city council, BTW.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 02:02 AM (Vk2pI)

I will make phone calls. 80K aint nothing to sneeze at!

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 10:06 PM (adaoe)

436
Former Ohio Democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich has signed on with Fox News to be a contributor, the network announced Wednesday.

Â“IÂ’ve always been impressed with Rep. KucinichÂ’s fearlessness and thoughtfulness about important issues," Roger Ailes, Fox News' chairman and CEO, said in a statement. "His willingness to take a stand from his point of view makes him a valuable voice in our countryÂ’s debate."

Stop giving these people paychecks and platforms, you stupid Fox fncks!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2013 10:07 PM (kdS6q)

437 Did he serve in congress? Good to know he is still serving the public, I have always liked him. Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 02:04 AM (adaoe) He was defeated along with Joe Heck from the state senate in '08, thus giving the Dems control of the state Senate. Heck went on to defeat Titus in NV03 in '10 and win reelection in '12. The GOP has 10 of 11 seats in the NV state Senate. They lost SD09 by a few hundred votes... in a strong Dem year. It was a special election due to the fact that the previous state Senator was an adulterous slut who resigned. It is up again in '14, when it ought to be more favorable for the GOP. They are thus favored to pick up the state Senate conrol in '14.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 10:08 PM (Vk2pI)

438 can't say I wouldn't mind sticking my finger into Scandal's Temptation Box

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 10:11 PM (vJdyz)

439 Well. Wayne Allen Root has indicated that he is interested in running against Reid in '16. If he runs for Lt. Gov. in '14, and manages to get it, he'd be Gov. in '17 and '18.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 02:05 AM (Vk2pI)

That could happen. a lot of pissed off people in NV

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 10:13 PM (adaoe)

440 Last time I ran for public office, I only go 80K votes... I've been encouraged to run for the Board of Regents in Nevada, and I might take them up on the possibility in the future... Bob Beers is currently on the Las Vegas city council, BTW. Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 02:02 AM (Vk2pI) I will make phone calls. 80K aint nothing to sneeze at! Posted by: lou's a girl at January 17, 2013 02:06 AM (adaoe) That's the third independent time I've been told to run. I may just end up doing it in '16 when the seat is up...

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 10:14 PM (Vk2pI)

441 My turn to play. I've spent the last 3 years using manual and CNC mills and lathes (but not as my primary job). Yes, climb milling (the endmill rotation and direction of travel are analogous to a tire accelerating a car on pavement) can be done on a manual mill, but it's usually a bad choice. If the endmill is large enough (perhaps a .500" endmill on a Bridgeport mill), the endmill can easily grab the work and pull the table ... the results are usually not good. Conventional milling(the tire/endmill is rotating against the direction of travel/cut) on a manual machine is a very much better choice. Conversely, climb milling is preferred on CNC mills, as less power is required, the tools wear less, and the CNC has enough power and speed to handle the forces involved ... and to do this with ballscrews (the friction is so low that the screw can be forced by hand through the nut). Manual mills usually have threaded rods and (brass) split nuts; the friction is acceptable, and the split nuts can be moved closer together or farther apart to adjust backlash. The mill shown in the Little Machine Shop .PDF is an X2. It's a bit small for cutting steel (very time consuming). Look for an X3, Super X3 (Grizzly G0619), or larger ... something in the 1.5Hp/400lb+ range ... maybe something the size of an RF-45. Grizzly, Bolton Tool, and several other dealers have offerings. Tormach is very nice (The Tech Shop in San Jose has one) but they're in the $4000-$8500 range. Next step up is really a Haas Mini Mill.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 16, 2013 10:16 PM (NSxGQ)

442 That's the third independent time I've been told to run.

I may just end up doing it in '16 when the seat is up...

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 02:14 AM (Vk2pI)

Let me know, hubby and I still here for the time being. I will fight for NV, it has always had a good conservative base, we have been fucked by clark county and the unions, but the rest of NV is solid red!!

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 10:17 PM (adaoe)

443 #425

I don't think they can duplicate the 3DS rescue with just a price cut and some eStore goodies in this case.

The 3DS really had only one serious negative: the price. Otherwise it's a pretty nice little machine for its target market, much as the DS was back when it launched in 2004. Developers see plenty of opportunity there to do stuff that is unique to that platform.

But while the Wii U has some unique features, especially the GamePad, a console is going to be judged much more by developers on horsepower. The Wii U has a more modern GPU than the existing consoles but is only on par or somewhat below them on the CPU side. Leaving aside the GamePad second screen gimmicks, the consumer isn't seeing anything he cannot get on the competition with massively greater libraries. (The Wii U can draw on the Wii library but that isn't saying much beyond the Nintendo franchises.) This is only going to get worse as the new competing platforms launch.

Looking at the GameStop site listing of upcoming Wii U titles, the number of items that are either exclusive to the Wii U or will be best played there is rather short. It isn't as bad as the N64 launch, which was easily the most barren of any successful platform in gaming history, but I suspect the market is far less tolerant today than back then.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 10:17 PM (kcfmt)

444

Posted by: epobirs at January 17, 2013 02:17 AM (kcfmt)

yeah, three games till March in Japan not including Google Maps. The first big game isn't until the summer with Wii Fit U

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 10:20 PM (vJdyz)

445 Night The Political Hat, night ont. Keep fighting. Love ya'll, mean it!

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 10:22 PM (adaoe)

446 That's the third independent time I've been told to run. I may just end up doing it in '16 when the seat is up... Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 02:14 AM (Vk2pI) RUN, HAT, RUN!!!!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 10:23 PM (bxiXv)

447 Posted by: Arbalest at January 17, 2013 02:16 AM (NSxGQ)

I'm very much a entry-level machinist, so I'm looking to test the waters with a CNC'd SX2. If I were to have a production demand, I'd ramp to an SX3 (or more) immediately.

Would you go some other direction for proof-of-concept machining?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 10:24 PM (kaalw)

448 Well, I guess I'm keeping an eye out for any good sales on 3 TB drives. It doesn't seem worth the trouble equipping the ReadyNAS with anything less.

Congratulations! You've won this thing that is going to cost a couple hundred bucks to make useful!

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 10:25 PM (kcfmt)

449 Well, I guess I'm keeping an eye out for any good sales on 3 TB drives. It doesn't seem worth the trouble equipping the ReadyNAS with anything less.

Congratulations! You've won this thing that is going to cost a couple hundred bucks to make useful!

Posted by: epobirs at January 17, 2013 02:25 AM (kcfmt)

so which one did you win?

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 10:27 PM (vJdyz)

450 obama is a tourettes guy. ok officially going to bed

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 16, 2013 10:28 PM (adaoe)

451 448 Well, I guess I'm keeping an eye out for any good sales on 3 TB drives. It doesn't seem worth the trouble equipping the ReadyNAS with anything less.

Congratulations! You've won this thing that is going to cost a couple hundred bucks to make useful!

Posted by: epobirs at January 17, 2013 02:25 AM (kcfmt)

2TB is the max for something-or-other, so it's best to do multiple 2T.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 10:30 PM (kaalw)

452 ReadyNAS Pro 2 http://tinyurl.com/ahdnxyj

It has quite a lot of capability I'll never use at home. I'm wondering if I shouldn't sell it for something less loaded but populated with at least a pair of 2 TB drives.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 10:31 PM (kcfmt)

453 448 Well, I guess I'm keeping an eye out for any good sales on 3 TB drives. It doesn't seem worth the trouble equipping the ReadyNAS with anything less. Congratulations! You've won this thing that is going to cost a couple hundred bucks to make useful! Posted by: epobirs at January 17, 2013 02:25 AM (kcfmt) We should let each other know if we see such a deal. http://preview.tinyurl.com/akavpjx http://preview.tinyurl.com/7fg8zzo http://preview.tinyurl.com/b7ean2g Some of the deals are externals, so, voided warranties and all that. Or if anybody just needs an external drive. The last is a Tiger deal, with one of those lame-ass card rebates, but I think they usually pay. Just *sloooow*.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 10:35 PM (bxiXv)

454 eww Tiger Direct

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 10:36 PM (vJdyz)

455 447 cthulhu If you are using some sort of plastic or resin to make your proof-of-concept items, then a CNC's X2 might be an excellent choice. The primary limit would be the capacity of the X2 ... the table isn't very large. Alternatively, there are 3-D printers. The Tech Shop has one. If you are using aluminum, then a Super-X3 is probably a better choice. It is noticeably larger and has more power, and the extra power will translate to shorter milling times. But you have to pick and choose which Super X3 (CNC and kit) to get. If you can get something that has a 4000 or 5000 rpm maximum spindle speed, then your milling times might be very reasonable compared to an X2. If you must cut steel, then an RF-45 is a better choice: a bit more power, and heavier, so accuracy will be better. Even better is a CNC'd Bridgeport, or clone. One of the problems is that "X2", X3" and so forth refer to Chinese-manufactured machines ... there appear to be multiple sources, and some are different enough that they are perhaps more like the next size ... and there are many sizes. Check the BF-20 and related series, RF-45, ... It takes a while to get everything straight. Do some research at CNCZone.com. Check some of the YouTube videos to get an idea of what each machine will do.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 16, 2013 10:36 PM (NSxGQ)

456 454 eww Tiger Direct Posted by: The Dude at January 17, 2013 02:36 AM (vJdyz) Yeah, but like Frys, I imagine the part is okay if they don't open the box and touch it or anything, get their loser dust on it. It would have to be a *stunning* deal for me to touch a refurb or return drive.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 10:38 PM (bxiXv)

457 It would have to be a *stunning* deal for me to touch a refurb or return drive.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 17, 2013 02:38 AM (bxiXv)

open box/referbs are even grosser than Tiger Direct

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 10:39 PM (vJdyz)

458 452 ReadyNAS Pro 2 http://tinyurl.com/ahdnxyj

It has quite a lot of capability I'll never use at home. I'm wondering if I shouldn't sell it for something less loaded but populated with at least a pair of 2 TB drives.

Posted by: epobirs at January 17, 2013 02:31 AM (kcfmt)

The problem seems to be that under current standards, it maxes at 4T -- but if everything in development works out as planned, you might get 8T.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2013 10:39 PM (kaalw)

459 I like how it says it has up to 12Tb in the list, and in the first paragraph it says up to 9Tb. Maybe they need an editor.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 10:42 PM (bxiXv)

460 I've never had any problems with Tiger Direct in their CompUSA and Circuit City guises. Getting the drives for $100 each is intriguing, especially since I could keep the enclosures for the next time I have somebody migrating to a new machine. It's a simple way to turn an old drive into a backup unit.

I suppose I'd have to have one of them shipped to my job site to avoid using the same address on both rebates.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 10:44 PM (kcfmt)

461 if it's not them being late with the shipment, it's been them doing the worst job possible in packaging for me when it comes to Tiger Direct. Throw in bad customer service and I won't do business with them ever again

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 10:47 PM (vJdyz)

462 I'm looking at Amazon now, some decent deals but no skirts being blown up. That $90 3TB black friday deal spoiled me (obviously I'm spoiled if that's my standard).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 10:51 PM (bxiXv)

463 yep, porn companies are already in line for Rift SDKs

Posted by: The Dude at January 16, 2013 10:51 PM (vJdyz)

464 Were you looking for a Momentus Hybrid, epo? http://preview.tinyurl.com/b7srojv $122 / 750Gb

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 10:54 PM (bxiXv)

465 The link I provided at Netgear gives confused descriptions of how many drives are supported. It also thinks there is three USB 2.0 ports rather than 2 2.0 ports and 1 3.0 port in front. (Unless they've used a blue connector incorrectly, which pisses the USB-IF.)

I'm pretty confident a 3 TB drive will work. The HCL lists several with an admonition that a firmware update may be required.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 10:59 PM (kcfmt)

466 #464

The best price I've seen so far but I'm holding out for it to get down around $100. The 1 TB models will be coming out soon and that should drive down the prices of the existing models a bit.

Also, Western Digital is getting into the hybrid drive business, so there will finally be some competitive pressure.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 11:01 PM (kcfmt)

467 http://www.readynas.com/?page_id=82

The ReadyNAS drive HCL.

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 11:02 PM (kcfmt)

468 Night all. Here is "Opel" album by Syd Barret. Until '16.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 11:03 PM (Vk2pI)

469 Night all. Here is "Opel" album by Syd Barret. Until '16. Posted by: The Political Hat at January 17, 2013 03:03 AM (Vk2pI) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFgdLJiNZkE

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2013 11:04 PM (Vk2pI)

470 One minor annoyance, they charged more for shipping to my employer because it isn't a residential address. WTF? It's a little less than three bucks but still...

So, after rebates I should have 6 TB of NAS for about $215. Plus whatever I attach to the USB ports down the road. Especially if I upgrade my printer. And I'll have a pair of 3.5" USB 2.0 enclosures to reuse if they aren't too resistant to opening and resealing.

Not bad. Thanks for the research, Dude and Dark Lord.

Which means I've got a lot more anime to download!

Posted by: epobirs at January 16, 2013 11:24 PM (kcfmt)

471 Funny, IIRC it used to be *less* for commercial addresses because they tend to be clustered and higher volume.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 11:39 PM (bxiXv)

472 For the morning peeps (who may never see this): http://youtu.be/Ooa98FHuaU0 Nicely produced and tightly reasoned little polemic on who gun control is the least-possibly focused thing to do with regard to violent crime, and asking why no one has taken credit for the 50% drop in violent crime in the US over the last 20 years. The only problem is, the people behind these political moves don't give a damn about violent crime or murder. They're not stupid, they know what we could do to (at least in part) ameliorate these problems. And they're doing the *exact* opposite. On purpose. We've gone past the argument, it's time to say *no*, loudly and often.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 17, 2013 12:55 AM (bxiXv)

473 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 17, 2013 04:55 AM (bxiXv) ....... Just watched the entire vid. Good stuff. And, there's something soothing, though not boring, about his voice. It seems folks need to start holding their mayors accountable along with their house reps.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 17, 2013 02:58 AM (piMMO)

474 Printing guns, Hah! All joking and kidding aside, I just saw the Obama,Biden gun control proposals. I think that Kenyan baboon is flinging his crap against the zoo wall hoping something sticks. No matter what passes , it will be the death of a thousand cuts. They will incrementally ban private firearm ownership until there is nothing left. I'ts the only thing still standing in the leftists way. Republicans, please remove heads from rectums! It's the constitution...this is "The Hill to die on!"

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 17, 2013 03:24 AM (db5xq)

475 It's the constitution...this is "The Hill to die on!"

Yes it is! I will fight to the death for this easy win! The debt limit is the hill to surrender on.

Posted by: John Boehner at January 17, 2013 03:56 AM (52CTi)

476 Debt limit is the 2nd hill to die on.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 17, 2013 05:57 AM (Nz4YA)

477 This is a great video of Alex Jones interview Cody Wilson, who is the founder of the Wiki Weapon Project and Defense Unlimited. He also has a new site called DEFCAD which is a repository for 3D printable firearm parts. http://www.3dprinter.net/alex-jones-interviews-cody-wilson-on-3d-printed More on DEFCAD, and how the government is the biggest "visitor" to the site: http://www.3dprinter.net/government-very-interested-in-3d-printed-firearms

Posted by: Mark at January 17, 2013 11:29 AM (P8MQS)

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