October 29, 2013
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Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 06:45 PM (qZPXs)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 06:46 PM (qZPXs)
Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 29, 2013 06:46 PM (v6hyJ)
Posted by: L, elle at October 29, 2013 06:47 PM (0xqKe)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 06:47 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 06:47 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 29, 2013 06:47 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 06:47 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Fourth horseman at October 29, 2013 06:48 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Fourth horseman at October 29, 2013 06:50 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Critical Race Theory Graduate Student, specializing in Reconquista at October 29, 2013 06:50 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 29, 2013 06:50 PM (d7tB2)
Posted by: Fourth horseman at October 29, 2013 06:50 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Malta at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: My Name is Nobody at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (5Q1ZU)
*grumble grumble*
Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (pl1y3)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (qZPXs)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (a5ljo)
The dialogue and plotting are crisp. All the characters, including the villains, are likeable. The villains, notably, are likeable in a way that makes you respect their choices and the consequences thereof, which is a difficult balance to maintain. When recurring villains bite the dust, you end up thinking, "Yep; I'll miss having you around, but that's how it had to end."
Nick Searcy's Art Mullen is that curmudgeonly but cool and wise boss we'd all like to work for, and Timothy Olyphant's Raylan Givens is like if Michael Biehn and Billy Bob Thornton had a kid together. If you can imagine that and think, yeah, that's sort of cool, this series is a must-watch. If not, watch it anyway and Olyphant will make a believer out of you.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Fourth horseman at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (d7tB2)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 29, 2013 06:51 PM (CA2NO)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 06:52 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Se Léodweardprætt Hæt at October 29, 2013 06:52 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 29, 2013 06:52 PM (/IXKu)
Posted by: Thrawn
I think that's Malta. I see Dean's been busy.
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 06:52 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Gingy at October 29, 2013 06:52 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Country Singer at October 29, 2013 06:53 PM (DE9KP)
Posted by: Northernlurker at October 29, 2013 06:53 PM (BLAfs)
Posted by: Fourth horseman at October 29, 2013 06:53 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Se Léodweardprætt Hæt at October 29, 2013 06:53 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 06:53 PM (DmNpO)
Godspeed, li'l Niedle. Godspeed.
How's that free government cheese taste, by the way? YOU 47%'ER SCUM.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 06:54 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: seamrog at October 29, 2013 06:54 PM (MpJBa)
Glad you enjoyed it. Elmore Leonard's books on Raylan are awesome as well. The series actually improves as it goes along.
Posted by: sven at October 29, 2013 06:54 PM (9jfyN)
Never met an Austrian named 'Gruber'. Hans Gruber was Ossi-Deutsch
Posted by: Wally from Waziristan at October 29, 2013 06:54 PM (omBWL)
Posted by: logprof at October 29, 2013 06:54 PM (4BA+Y)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 29, 2013 06:54 PM (d7tB2)
Posted by: sweaty butterball turkey fishnet at October 29, 2013 06:54 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: Gingy at October 29, 2013 06:55 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Jmel at October 29, 2013 06:55 PM (cfFqn)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 06:55 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 06:55 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 06:55 PM (a5ljo)
He also freely admits he lurks here.
One evening last fall he called me "Mr 3000"....
it was a crowning moment of combined shame and awesome.
Posted by: sven at October 29, 2013 06:55 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 06:56 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: fluffy; dirty, dirty Skandi at October 29, 2013 06:56 PM (kS8RA)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:54 PM (n/+FT)
wtf??? i'm watching tv (Modern Family re-runs, NCIS comin' up), so I may have missed something. is it time to go all stabby or am i misconstruing here?
Posted by: Peaches at October 29, 2013 06:56 PM (8lmkt)
I do not believe in a cheaply interventionist God....
I think he acts to make a big point and when he acts it moves mountains....
I suspect Pike's Peak is a mile or two closer these days.
Posted by: sven at October 29, 2013 06:56 PM (9jfyN)
and Major "Calloway, not Callahan. I'm English, not Irish", although not really marginal. Supporting, you'd hafta say ( but not in a bad way )
Posted by: Wally from Waziristan at October 29, 2013 06:56 PM (omBWL)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 06:57 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: Fourth horseman at October 29, 2013 06:57 PM (KuZ6A)
I met my senator tonight at the gas station. I smiled and informed him that he was not "my" senator after he told me he was. I was not rude, of course; I informed him I'm a foreign national, and that my husband voted republican. He told me lots of republicans vote for him. Ok then.
Posted by: Gingy at October 29, 2013 10:52 PM (N/cFh)
Probably lots of foreign nationals vote for him, too....
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 06:57 PM (T1005)
Is fried zucchini good or bad for you? I had an argument with a relative about this recently. Our argument basically went as follows:
Me: "It must be good for you, it's zucchini."
Her: "But it's fried."
"But it's zucchini."
"But it's fried."
"But it's ZUCCHINI!!!"
"But it's FRIED!!!1!"
Ad infinito...
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 29, 2013 06:57 PM (T/XcG)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 06:57 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 06:57 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 06:58 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: Wally from Waziristan at October 29, 2013 06:58 PM (omBWL)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 06:58 PM (DmNpO)
and in deference to Halloween lots of dead folk as well...
Posted by: sven at October 29, 2013 06:58 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: logprof at October 29, 2013 06:58 PM (4BA+Y)
Posted by: Gingy, Filthy Scandi Icehead Snowback at October 29, 2013 06:59 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: CarolT at October 29, 2013 06:59 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 29, 2013 06:59 PM (d7tB2)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 06:59 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 06:59 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Peaches at October 29, 2013 06:59 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at October 29, 2013 07:00 PM (BQeyg)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 29, 2013 07:00 PM (d7tB2)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:00 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 07:00 PM (qZPXs)
'Barfonggu' was sixth
Posted by: Wally from Waziristan at October 29, 2013 07:01 PM (omBWL)
Posted by: logprof at October 29, 2013 10:58 PM
That's where the word "slovenly" originates from in english. Seriously.
Posted by: otho at October 29, 2013 07:01 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 07:01 PM (a5ljo)
Now suitable pantsed, I head out to find a cop in my driveway, shining his maglight around. Thinking quickly, I tried to remember what my last post was at the HQ -- FAIL.
So I wander over to ask him what's going on. He tells me to hang on, then heads down the ditch along my property, swinging that light back and forth. Finally, he gets back near to where I am and he asks if I've heard anything unusual. Where's a lawyer when you really need one.
Nope, sez I. He says he's looking for shell casings. He had a report of two cars stopping at my address, people getting out, and firing off about 40 rounds.
I NEVER get invited to the cool parties. Nah, I tell him, it just couldn't have happened. I can hear my neighbor across the street close his truck door when he gets home, unless I'm watching a video or movie. Which I haven't this pm. It's real quiet here.
So he says he doesn't believe it either, but he had to check it out.
That's all, folks.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 29, 2013 07:01 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Now Wif Mo SCOAMF at October 29, 2013 07:02 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 29, 2013 07:02 PM (12t4d)
Posted by: kbdabear at October 29, 2013 07:02 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Gingy, Filthy Scandi Icehead Snowback at October 29, 2013 07:02 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 29, 2013 07:02 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 07:03 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:03 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2013 07:03 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 07:03 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: otho at October 29, 2013 11:01 PM (9gNQd)
"Buggery" comes from the Bulgars. They were quite famous for it, evidently.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 29, 2013 07:04 PM (eTlP8)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 07:04 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2013 07:04 PM (PLOz8)
Being called racist is nothing to me especially since the 2008 election - but - how do you defend to neighbors who have lived in this area their entire lives and know nothing different .. how do you say to them - get past the person who cheated and lied and voting for them because they look like you?
I asked my boyfriend to at least go talk to the couple across the street before he put up our sign. He did not and now my neighbors look at me like I am a member of the KKK. So sick of this stuff .. thought we were suppose to be done with this after TFG was elected.
How can they want to re-elect a person who was guilty of cheating? Do they just push it back on W for the leave no child behind stuff? idk .. don't know enough about it, I guess.
Posted by: johnwas at October 29, 2013 07:05 PM (xR46S)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:05 PM (DmNpO)
Now suitable pantsed, I head out to find a cop in my driveway, shining his maglight around. Thinking quickly, I tried to remember what my last post was at the HQ -- FAIL.
So I wander over to ask him what's going on. He tells me to hang on, then heads down the ditch along my property, swinging that light back and forth. Finally, he gets back near to where I am and he asks if I've heard anything unusual. Where's a lawyer when you really need one.
Nope, sez I. He says he's looking for shell casings. He had a report of two cars stopping at my address, people getting out, and firing off about 40 rounds.
I NEVER get invited to the cool parties. Nah, I tell him, it just couldn't have happened. I can hear my neighbor across the street close his truck door when he gets home, unless I'm watching a video or movie. Which I haven't this pm. It's real quiet here.
So he says he doesn't believe it either, but he had to check it out.
That's all, folks.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 29, 2013 11:01 PM (wNF3N)
I'd have responded, "define 'unusual'."
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 07:05 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Jmel at October 29, 2013 07:05 PM (cfFqn)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 07:05 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: CarolT at October 29, 2013 07:05 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: logprof at October 29, 2013 07:06 PM (4BA+Y)
Posted by: sweaty butterball turkey fishnet at October 29, 2013 07:06 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 07:06 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 29, 2013 07:06 PM (d7tB2)
Posted by: Marino at October 29, 2013 07:06 PM (4BA+Y)
Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2013 07:06 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 29, 2013 07:06 PM (nKUHR)
Posted by: Gingy, Filthy Scandi Icehead Snowback at October 29, 2013 07:07 PM (N/cFh)
I do good work.
Posted by: Weirddave at October 29, 2013 11:02 PM (N/cFh)
You both work together for 30 seconds, Gingy works solo for nine months, you get the credit? I'm not sure it works that way....
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 07:07 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 07:07 PM (a5ljo)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 07:07 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Gingy, Filthy Scandi Icehead Snowback at October 29, 2013 07:07 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 29, 2013 07:08 PM (4tK7k)
Posted by: Baraka at October 29, 2013 07:08 PM (4BA+Y)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 29, 2013 07:08 PM (GEICT)
The English names like Smith, Carpenter, Cooper, Baker, etc . are easily understood.
The "son" and "dottir" of Norse is too. The "De" of latin names also.
I was wondering about the eastern European roots of names.
Posted by: seamrog at October 29, 2013 07:08 PM (MpJBa)
RNC ads that mock Obamacare, using the old Mac vs PC format -
These are apparently being aired during The Daily Show.
Posted by: junior at October 29, 2013 07:08 PM (wX+eD)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 07:08 PM (qZPXs)
"Buggery" comes from the Bulgars. They were quite famous for it, evidently.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 29, 2013 11:04 PM
Arrrrrr... t'is an exaggeration, says I. A bunch of porkies, in me experience. Arrrr....
Posted by: a pirate at October 29, 2013 07:08 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:08 PM (DmNpO)
Nope runningrn, it's a real quiet neighborhood. That's the most excitement I've had since I moved here 12 years ago.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 29, 2013 07:08 PM (wNF3N)
Put more bourbon in your ass-flavored cup of Coke at Davis-Wade, that'll make it grow on you.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (DE9KP)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (ShNqq)
I'm here. And, uhhhh, what?Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (GEICT)
At Doctors Office yesterday...
Nice framed sign saying "No Food or Drink in the Waiting Area"....
Placed right next to a bowl of Halloween candy....
/facepalm
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (DmNpO)
My body is apparently in a chronic deficiency state regarding Val-U-Rite.
Perhaps there's a special extra concentrated form. Or taking it intravenously.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (60Q+L)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (a5ljo)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 29, 2013 07:09 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:10 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 07:10 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 29, 2013 07:11 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Gingy, Filthy Scandi Icehead Snowback at October 29, 2013 07:11 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 29, 2013 07:12 PM (bCEmE)
Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2013 07:12 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 07:13 PM (a5ljo)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 29, 2013 07:14 PM (jucos)
Ok, I'm either really tired or someone slipped me some stupid pills. I'm lost on what the Jonas Brothers breakup (news to me) has to do with me.Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 29, 2013 07:14 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: OregonMuse at October 29, 2013 07:14 PM (fd0Pp)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 07:14 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 29, 2013 07:14 PM (d7tB2)
Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2013 07:15 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 07:15 PM (qZPXs)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 07:15 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 07:15 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 07:15 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 07:16 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2013 07:17 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 07:17 PM (a5ljo)
In honor of Halloween I would like to see her hunt down each of her evil tormenters and slaughter them in appropriately gruesome and cinematic ways.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 11:07 PM (Vk2pI)
You can take SS at 62 but have to be 65 for Medicare.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (H0R/1)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (aDwsi)
40 ∀y (0'+0')=y⇒y=(0'+0') ⇒ ((0'+0')=(0'+0)'⇒(0'+0)'=(0'+0') Ax4(y,(0'+0)',(0'+0')=y⇒y=(0'+0'))
41 ((0'+0')=(0'+0)'⇒(0'+0)'=(0'+0') MP(39,40)
42 (0'+0)'=(0'+0') MP(25,41)
43 (∀z x=y⇒(x=z⇒y=z)) ⇒ x=y⇒(x=0''⇒y=0'') Ax4(z,0'',x=y⇒(x=z⇒y=z))
44 x=y⇒(x=0''⇒y=0'') MP(12,43)
45 ∀x x=y⇒(x=0''⇒y=0'') Gen(x,44)
46 ∀x x=y⇒(x=0''⇒y=0'')⇒( (0'+0)' =y⇒((0'+0)' =0''⇒y=0'')) Ax4(x,x,(0'+0)',x=y⇒(x=0''⇒y=0'') )
47 (0'+0)' =y⇒((0'+0)' =0''⇒y=0'') MP(45,46)
48 ∀y (0'+0)'=y⇒((0'+0)' =0''⇒y=0'') Gen(y,47)
49 ∀y (0'+0)' =y⇒((0'+0)' =0''⇒y=0'')⇒
((0'+0)' =(0'+0')⇒((0'+0)' =0''⇒(0'+0')=0'')) Ax4( y,(0'+0'),
(0'+0)' =y⇒((0'+0)' =0''⇒y=0''),)
50 (0'+0)' =(0'+0')⇒((0'+0)' =0''⇒(0'+0')=0'') MP(48,49)
51 (0'+0)' =0''⇒(0'+0')=0'' MP(42,50)
52 (0'+0')=0'' MP(35,51)Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: shredded chi at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (yvjkM)
182 Guess the country: Girl crawls out of grave after being raped, buried alive
http://tinyurl.com/pphhegz
__________________
Great Britainstan?
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 11:09 PM (CMlD4)
Yup: http://tinyurl.com/lxvkk53 Posted by: The Political Hat
That would be a great t-shirt/bumper sticker -- Fine, I'll be a toad.
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 07:18 PM (HVff2)
Alright then: the musical genre we will be discussing tonight is Krautrock. Can, Neu, Kraftwerk, go!
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 07:19 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: My Name is Nobody at October 29, 2013 07:19 PM (5Q1ZU)
Posted by: rickl at October 29, 2013 07:19 PM (sdi6R)
waste of 60 bucks for a BF2 expansion pack with better graphics
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 11:16 PM (qVKcL)
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
I told you!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Posted by: EC at October 29, 2013 07:20 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 29, 2013 07:20 PM (bCEmE)
Unfortunately, for certain ethnic blocs, there is no such getting past it.
Never will be, ever.
Go find and read the interview with Samuel L. Jackson about why he voted for Obama. Suffice it to say that no detailed analysis of policy or philosophy or curriculum vitae took place. The only analytical question involved melanin content of the epidermis. Simple as that.
Welcome to Balkan America. The melting pot stopped actually melting a while back, even though the heat has been turned up way past the boiling point and continues to increase.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 29, 2013 07:20 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 07:21 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 29, 2013 07:22 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 07:23 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 29, 2013 11:22 PM (jucos)
That's not in my diet. I only have three food groups - salt, fat, and alcohol. Hi, Morons!
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at October 29, 2013 07:23 PM (un8zR)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 07:23 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at October 29, 2013 07:24 PM (qv2M9)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 07:24 PM (a5ljo)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 07:24 PM (7KZod)
Officially, no. But the rule was ignored by everyone. We'd walk right into the stadium with them in our hands.
The reason for the rules now about when you can and can't ring are because of the whiny asses at Auburn, specifically Shug Jordan, crying about them. So if they are rung during "unauthorized" portions of the game, State gets fined for use of artificial noisemakers. The fact that Tennessee (and I suspect a few others) amps the crowd noise through the stadium PA is conveniently ignored.
How did you end up at State from Seattle? Golfer?
Posted by: Country Singer at October 29, 2013 07:24 PM (DE9KP)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 29, 2013 07:24 PM (JawqV)
Posted by: Gingy, Filthy Scandi Icehead Snowback at October 29, 2013 07:24 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 29, 2013 07:24 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 11:09 PM (a5ljo)
164 You both work together for 30 seconds, Gingy works solo for nine months, you get the credit? I'm not sure it works that way....Son, the quality of a building is dependent on how well the foundation is laid. Everything else is just details.
Posted by: Weirddave at October 29, 2013 11:09 PM (N/cFh)
I've generally found it best to stay in the good graces of the 'ettes.
Reminds me of:
Traffic Math
I was riding to work yesterday when I observed a female driver, who cut right in front of a pick-up truck, causing the driver to drive onto the shoulder to avoid hitting her. This evidently angered the driver enough that he hung his arm out is window and gave the woman the finger.
"Man, that guy is stupid," I thought to myself. I ALWAYS smile nicely and wave in a sheepish manner whenever a female does anything to me in traffic, And here's why:
I drive 48 miles each way every day to work.
That's 96 miles each day.
Of these, 16 miles each way is bumper-to-bumper.
Most of the bumper-to-bumper is on an 8 lane highway.
There are 7 cars every 40 feet for 32 miles.
That works out to 982 cars every mile, or 31,424 cars.
Even though the rest of the 32 miles is not bumper-to-bumper, I figure I pass at least another 4000 cars.
That brings the number to something like 36,000 cars that I pass every day.
Statistically, females drive half of these. That's 18,000 women drivers!
In any given group of females, 1 in 28 has PMS. That's 642.
According to Cosmopolitan, 70% describe their love life as dissatisfying or unrewarding. That's 449.
According to the National Institute of Health, 22% of all females have seriously considered suicide or homicide. That's 98.
And 34% describe men as their biggest problem. That's 33.
According to the National Rifle Association, 5% of all females carry weapons and this number is increasing.
That means that EVERY SINGLE DAY, I drive past at least one female that has a lousy love life, thinks men are her biggest problem, has seriously considered suicide or homicide, has PMS, and is armed.
Give her the finger? I don't think so...
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 07:25 PM (T1005)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 29, 2013 07:26 PM (IV4od)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 29, 2013 07:27 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 07:27 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Die Politische Hut at October 29, 2013 07:27 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Thrawn at October 29, 2013 07:27 PM (ZyqBH)
Posted by: Gingy, Filthy Scandi Icehead Snowback at October 29, 2013 07:28 PM (N/cFh)
Reflect that if the indictments hadn't come down, Kwame Kilpatrick would still probably be the Mayor of Detroit.
And, really, the indictments having issued wasn't reflective of any disinterested, objective search for justice and for probity in public office. It was just intraparty infighting over the division of spoils in a de facto single-party city being run by looters in suits.
If Kilpatrick had been a bit more forthcoming about letting others shoulder in to the trough, the case probably would never even have gotten to the grand jury.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 29, 2013 07:28 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:28 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 07:29 PM (HVff2)
And 34% describe men as their biggest problem. That's 33.
So, you're saying... I have a real shot with about 8% of women (34% of 22)? Whoo-hoo! Things are looking up for me!
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 07:29 PM (7KZod)
I was in a race relations class in the Navy 40 years ago. They told us not to think of the country as a melting pot but rather as a Mulligan stew in which each individual ingredient carried it's own unique flavor.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 29, 2013 07:29 PM (H0R/1)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 07:29 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: this is not the mindful webworker you were looking for at October 29, 2013 07:30 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: nerdygirl at October 29, 2013 07:30 PM (mHWo2)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 29, 2013 07:30 PM (l3vZN)
368 294. Art History -- textiles. You seem oriented toward that --I lurk. You could laser in on the aspect you are interested in. Employment -- should you be so inclined -- teaching - research - galleries etc. And the art history is really interesting for those with a bent toward history. Do a sweep and then zero in on your interests. 2cents
Posted by: gracepmc at October 29, 2013 01:25 AM (rznx3)
Posted by: gracepmc at October 29, 2013 07:31 PM (rznx3)
How long before the Dems start digging up dirt on me?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 11:28 PM (DmNpO)
You can't type with your fingers in your ears while chanting "Na na na na na I can't heeeeeear you!", so it will be a few minutes.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at October 29, 2013 07:31 PM (un8zR)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 07:31 PM (a5ljo)
Posted by: CarolT at October 29, 2013 07:31 PM (z4WKX)
I think the math works the same if you cross the path of a hundred women in any day.
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 07:32 PM (MVBSu)
Building a robot?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 29, 2013 07:32 PM (JawqV)
Posted by: Gingy, Filthy Scandi Icehead Snowback at October 29, 2013 07:33 PM (N/cFh)
Oh, we're way past the 'digging up' part. Sleep well.
Posted by: The US Federal Government at October 29, 2013 07:33 PM (rkewj)
Posted by: Thrawn at October 29, 2013 07:33 PM (ZyqBH)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:33 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: The NSA at October 29, 2013 07:34 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: xXx at October 29, 2013 07:34 PM (R6JT1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w4Xulsjo5I
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 07:35 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 07:35 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: nerdygirl at October 29, 2013 07:35 PM (mHWo2)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at October 29, 2013 07:36 PM (a5ljo)
Posted by: Waterhouse at October 29, 2013 07:36 PM (VEEFI)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 29, 2013 07:36 PM (UbDLm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:36 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:37 PM (DmNpO)
Thanks, Promontary Warbler. I generally feel the same way.
Man, last night I had the worst craving for fish and chips. Used to be able to get great ones at Mimi's Cafe, but they have since gone to a French-only menu (believe it or not). I predict them going out of business real soon.
Went to the brand-new Applebee's (complete with a BIG picture of the Dos Equis "most interesting man in the world" guy) in Signal Hill, sat at the bar and had some there. Yum.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 29, 2013 07:37 PM (T/XcG)
Posted by: this is not the mindful webworker you were looking for at October 29, 2013 07:37 PM (U13jb)
Asking a serious question here is like trying to herd cats.
And that's more than 1/2 the attraction of this place.
Posted by: seamrog at October 29, 2013 07:37 PM (MpJBa)
Posted by: nerdygirl at October 29, 2013 07:37 PM (mHWo2)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at October 29, 2013 07:37 PM (b9K4P)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 07:38 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 07:38 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at October 29, 2013 07:38 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 07:38 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: baldilocks at October 29, 2013 07:38 PM (Tnlh/)
Posted by: rickl at October 29, 2013 07:38 PM (sdi6R)
Fill me in.... What is NDH's story?
She was lured into a life of debauchery and government cheese by a roadie from a rock and roll band. I think it was Toto.
Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at October 29, 2013 07:39 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:39 PM (DmNpO)
Carol
***
I've been blessed that my employer offers 6 months of short-term disability and another 18 months of long-term disability. During that time I am technically still an employee and thus I am allowed to remain on the insurance plan, although at a much higher rate. As of April, if not yet cleared to return to work, my employment will be terminated and I can go on COBRA for 18 months.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 11:36 PM (DmNpO)
We all get to be hopping from one short tightrope to another short tightrope as this storm churns up healthcare....
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 07:40 PM (T1005)
Good evening, good people.
Just back from 3 days of waterfowl hunting in my old stomping grounds. Very successful trip.
Got the Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years dinners, plus a dozen ducks. Spastic lab did a stupendous job, in company with 2 other dogs, she found one duck neither of the other dogs could locate.
Great outing, well worth the effort.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 29, 2013 07:40 PM (SAMxH)
Believe it or not, it's by Henry Bushkin, who was Carson's lawyer from 1970 to 1988. He was often referred to in Carson's monologues as "the bombastic Bushkin."
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 29, 2013 07:40 PM (T/XcG)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at October 29, 2013 07:41 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 29, 2013 07:41 PM (UbDLm)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 07:41 PM (CMlD4)
Given Letterman's habits with his interns, my hunch is that it would probably give "50 Shades of Gray" a run for its money.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 29, 2013 07:41 PM (T/XcG)
Posted by: The Mathmatical Hat at October 29, 2013 07:41 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:41 PM (DmNpO)
And that's more than 1/2 the attraction of this place.
Posted by: seamrog at October 29, 2013 11:37 PM (MpJBa)
Dude. Never in the ONT. This is where comedians come to get material. Or arrested. Or drunk. Or all 3.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 07:42 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 11:10 PM (aDwsi)
Yes. I get that and it makes my head spin .. Marion Barry. I am not naive and think that my neighbors are going to invite us over to bbq next weekend. Maybe they may think they are getting us back by selling their houses for more than they could have before we moved in and paid a chunk for this property. Probably, they will say they were forced out of their neighborhood. At this point, I just give the fuck up. Is it wrong that I hope the one apartment place at the end of the block that has a bunch of cars coming and going all day gets bought and is a tear-down?
I know this is a dialogue that people get sick of talking about and especially on ont ... it is just that it is reality in more places than most realize. I keep a mossberg 500 in - idk what its called when you have it so all you have to do is put the shells in and pump - along with my security system. But, I am alone a bunch. My boyfriends son came over the other day (who wears a "this is what a feminist looks like t-shirt and goes to school at Dartmouth - sorry to Dartmouth people here)t and looked with disgust at my shotgun and said "would you really shoot someone". This is where I am glad my son was raised by his father near the swamps of Wakalla County, Florida. John Boat, Frying Pan, old baby jar with grease, blanket, shotgun, knife, some fishing line and hook, flashlight ... the pussification of America is led by TFG or idk the assjerks that came before him.
Getting to the point where I just want to put my range poster on the front of my house and say .. try. I am 56. Been through most of the phases of racial everything and I just DEMAND to know from TFG .. what has changed? and I want him to give the fucking Noble Peace Prize back.
Assjerks.
To another point - has anyone even thought about the failed website of TFG might be, in addition to its many problems, being attacked from other countries? may Iran has had a sudden need to find out if they qualify for subsidies from TFGcare.
/yes, need a drink or something
Posted by: johnwas at October 29, 2013 07:42 PM (xR46S)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 07:42 PM (7KZod)
Ah Toto, the hard rock band for Kaboom Kids.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 29, 2013 07:42 PM (T/XcG)
Posted by: shredded chi at October 29, 2013 07:42 PM (yvjkM)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 29, 2013 07:43 PM (UbDLm)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 29, 2013 07:44 PM (UbDLm)
Good evening, good people.
Just back from 3 days of waterfowl hunting in my old stomping grounds. Very successful trip.
Got the Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years dinners, plus a dozen ducks. Spastic lab did a stupendous job, in company with 2 other dogs, she found one duck neither of the other dogs could locate.
Great outing, well worth the effort.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 29, 2013 11:40 PM (SAMxH)
Congrats, IG! Any side-effects from the surgery? I remember you were pushing it to go hunting so soon, but pushing it cautiously for good reason is the best kind of PT.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 07:44 PM (T1005)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 29, 2013 07:45 PM (xz0nG)
Rigorous Proof that 1 + 1 = 2
I was reminded by that by common Core, that teaches rote scripts about the methodology of simple addition without actually teaching them addition until 3rd or 4th grade.
It's great training for regurgitating "mathamtical" and "scientific" Marxist and neo-Marxist dialectic.
Some more on that here: http://tinyurl.com/p3zw4e4
Posted by: The Mathmatical Hat at October 29, 2013 11:41 PM (Vk2pI)
That stupid bitch with the "3 x 4 = 11 is ok as long as we focus on the how they got the WRONG FUCKING ANSWER is ok because it makes us feel good and here's your juice box" needs to be dick punched.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 07:45 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 07:45 PM (qZPXs)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 07:45 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: if I had a nic, it would look like mindful webworker at October 29, 2013 07:45 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:45 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 07:46 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:46 PM (DmNpO)
I was being flippant, but OK.
You'll probably want to look at USB tuners, and powered USB hub to get signals in. That board is not designed to be a power source for peripherals.
I'm the type that always recommends the most hardware you budget can stretch to, which with raspi boards is still pretty damn cheap. I just think it saves upgrading later when the software gets bloated. Might not, but that's what I think.
As for which kit to get for the board itself, well, how comfortable are you loading an OS?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 29, 2013 07:46 PM (JawqV)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 07:47 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 07:48 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: johnwas at October 29, 2013 11:42 PM (xR46S)
If the Germans were doing it to protest TFG's spying on Merkel....I might have to buy them a drink or something. Prost!
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 07:48 PM (T1005)
Jean: that's supposedly one of the topics in the new Carson bio, or so I've heard.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 29, 2013 07:48 PM (T/XcG)
Husain=beautiful
Obama=bent or crooked
awesome
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 11:46 PM (ShNqq)
So loosely translated to Cowboy = Brokeback Mountain?
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 07:49 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Null at October 29, 2013 07:49 PM (xjpRj)
Believe it or not, it's by Henry Bushkin, who was Carson's lawyer from 1970 to 1988. He was often referred to in Carson's monologues as "the bombastic Bushkin."
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 29, 2013 11:40 PM (T/XcG)
May get slammed for this but you may check online at some places to download it IYKWIM and before anyone says shit about artists, etc. I often find things online in that way and then go to legit sites and download and pay for the real thing.
One of my favorite memories of my mother was staying up late and watching Johnny Carson with her. I didn't get a lot of the jokes at my age but knew they were having a ton of fun on that show.
Posted by: johnwas at October 29, 2013 07:49 PM (xR46S)
Posted by: baldilocks at October 29, 2013 11:38 PM (Tnlh/)
Go figure. lol
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 29, 2013 07:49 PM (wNF3N)
FDR in WWII put in place wage controls to evade that govt program companies started giving benefits. Then the govt made them before tax but didn't give that option to the public. Then state and fed made minimum coverages. Now we have all that stupidity on steroids.
If they didn't punish savings (count the ways) we all could self insure with a catastrophic plan. At a reasonable cost.
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 07:50 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 29, 2013 07:50 PM (UbDLm)
Posted by: just another mindful webworker lost at sea at October 29, 2013 07:50 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:50 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 07:50 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:51 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Ma Bell at October 29, 2013 07:51 PM (RLdcX)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 07:51 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 07:51 PM (CMlD4)
Student: "11"
Me: "You're an idiot. Next?"
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 11:47 PM (x3YFz)
And every real nerd knows the answer is... 1100.... in binary... he just left off a couple of Zeros...
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 29, 2013 07:52 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: old mindful webworkers never die; they get deleted at October 29, 2013 07:52 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 11:50 PM (DmNpO)
Brother, you need a place to lay low, fake ID, passport.
I'm so not your guy.
BUT I'll buy you a beer before the black helicopters come, if that's any consolation.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 07:52 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 29, 2013 07:52 PM (UbDLm)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 07:53 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at October 29, 2013 07:53 PM (KuZ6A)
Cue the old joke:
There are 10 kinds of people in the world.
Those who know binary.
And those who get laid.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 29, 2013 07:53 PM (JawqV)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 29, 2013 07:53 PM (xz0nG)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 07:54 PM (aDwsi)
It's a great school and great community. It's also vastly underrated. Lots of grads from State that have gone on to great things in business, like Hartley Peavey (quick trivia fact, his son had the PO Box there as me, right before I had it), Fred Carl (Viking Ranges), and Janet Marie Smith, the architect that did the work on Camden Yards, Fenway, and Turner Field.
Maybe more up your alley, the tail section for the F4 Phantom was designed by grad students at State.
Anna Puma is over there, maybe y'all can have a Mississippi Moron Meetup.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 29, 2013 07:54 PM (DE9KP)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 07:54 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 07:54 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 29, 2013 07:55 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 07:55 PM (Vk2pI)
http://tinyurl.com/ly6gfqf
Posted by: Null at October 29, 2013 11:49 PM (xjpRj)
I've been to that museum -- it's organized roughly chronologically and has some really nice pieces.....what did they have to move to hang his crap?
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 07:55 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 07:55 PM (aDwsi)
"Congrats IG Any side effects from the surgery?"
Some minor soreness after the 1st day's exertions was all. I took it a bit easier second and 3rd day--sitting in a boat mostly, no more wading through the cattails.
Anyone who can do 10 yards through chest high cats with full waders and not breathe hard is in extraordinary shape.
I am NOT in that category.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 29, 2013 07:56 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 07:56 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:56 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: xXx at October 29, 2013 07:56 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 29, 2013 07:56 PM (UbDLm)
Posted by: Monica Lewinsky at October 29, 2013 07:57 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: The Binary Hat at October 29, 2013 07:57 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:57 PM (DmNpO)
I didn't know about state controlled insurance stuff before the 1940s. I'll have to look it up.
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 07:58 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 29, 2013 07:58 PM (UbDLm)
Posted by: Katzenbach and the Duke of Earl, they were friends of mine at October 29, 2013 07:58 PM (O7OxF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 07:58 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Peyronie at October 29, 2013 07:59 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: johnwas at October 29, 2013 11:05 PM (xR46S)
If hipsters were moving into my neighborhood I would be pretty upset too.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at October 29, 2013 07:59 PM (b9K4P)
Sounds like a fun hunt Irongramps.
Nothing like seeing your dog outwork the other mutts.
Shoot anything cool or just mallards?
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 08:00 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 29, 2013 08:00 PM (UbDLm)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 08:00 PM (HVff2)
No sore shoulder, Mike. I wear a vest with a pad under the goretex.
Just a pity I can't get the dog to shoot them plus retrieve.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 29, 2013 08:00 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 08:02 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 30, 2013 12:00 AM (UbDLm)
Translation: standards will be lowered until we get enough women into the combat arms branches. Plus, any criticism of them or of the changes will result in leadership being crucified.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 29, 2013 08:02 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 08:02 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at October 29, 2013 08:03 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: RWC- Human Splatchcock Victim at October 29, 2013 08:03 PM (LpbKr)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 08:03 PM (ShNqq)
And those who get laid.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 29, 2013 11:53 PM (JawqV)
hey hey HEY now. But truth be told? Low down from my experience:
If I wore my cowboy ranch hand hat, the girlies were easy to pick up.
If I wore my nerd physicist hat. Not so much.
Same dude, 2 widely differing results. Needless to say I picked my wife with the nerd hat on.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 08:03 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 08:04 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Ma Bell at October 29, 2013 08:04 PM (RLdcX)
Weakening our military to make us more fair in combat with the 3rd world.
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 08:04 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 29, 2013 08:05 PM (HVff2)
This mutt has to be the best retriever I have ever seen.
She shows no reluctance toward working with other dogs and will honor their retrieves without hindrance. I didn't teach her that,so it's a real surprise to see.
I feel honored to have her company.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 29, 2013 08:05 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
----------------------
He has no idea. Note that one stated aim of closing off the ROTC programs was to 'promote diversity'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 12:02 AM (aDwsi)
I don't want diversity in a military, I want 100% ass-kickers.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 08:05 PM (T1005)
The same with all the generals Obama has fired. He's replacing them with his loyalists.
Posted by: Monica Lewinsky at October 29, 2013 08:05 PM (7KZod)
I find the lack of content refreshing.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 10:48 PM (tnBuP)
yep, makes me feel all pumpkin spice fresh...
Posted by: Shoey at October 29, 2013 08:05 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 08:05 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: The Dude at October 29, 2013 08:05 PM (vJdyz)
DoD has been using physiology to determine standards since WW2, are they going to close down CHPPM, Natick, ARDEC, etc and replace them with a lady who turns on the CD player at curves.
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 08:06 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 08:06 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 29, 2013 08:07 PM (xz0nG)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 08:07 PM (DmNpO)
??? What the fuck is that dumb fuck talking about?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 30, 2013 12:00 AM (UbDLm)
She's talking about the sure fire way to lose the next fucking war, that's what she's talking about.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 08:07 PM (FMbng)
There's way more stuff in a history book of how things work they ignore too.
Posted by: The Bible at October 29, 2013 08:07 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: mindful webworker's apolitical dunce cap at October 29, 2013 08:07 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 29, 2013 08:07 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at October 29, 2013 08:07 PM (fHAT3)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 08:08 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:08 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: RWC- Human Splatchcock Victim at October 29, 2013 08:09 PM (LpbKr)
Now y'all know why I got out after 16 years.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 29, 2013 08:09 PM (DE9KP)
Posted by: Sphynx at October 29, 2013 08:09 PM (cll/q)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 08:09 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Ma Bell at October 29, 2013 08:09 PM (RLdcX)
Are the going to be nude?
Is this about money or winning?
Posted by: The Bible at October 29, 2013 08:10 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:10 PM (3OFnS)
She shows no reluctance toward working with other dogs and will honor their retrieves without hindrance. I didn't teach her that,so it's a real surprise to see.
That's a good dog. My last bitch was like that. You could run her with other retrievers, with pointers...whatever. She would point, too.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 08:10 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 29, 2013 08:11 PM (TOGBD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYXHS3OWdKo
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 08:11 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at October 29, 2013 08:11 PM (fHAT3)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:12 PM (3OFnS)
That POS needs to sink in a boating accident and switch to a Remington 870
I got standards you know
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 11:51 PM (ShNqq)
Probably because you are more of a gun purist. It is good for me because I can use the revolver grip thing (yes, I am not using right gun language) and it is easy for me to load. I have a flashlight thing on it and laser but if I thought someone was coming up the stairs I probably would just start shooting holes in the walls. At the range it does not kick me like some of my sons other guns so it is okay for me because I am not a big person.
I hope I never have the need to use it at my house. Some people say that just the sound of a shotgun pumping makes intruders run but others say the only sound an intruder should hear is the second round pumping.
Who knows. I was kidnapped once by just the threat of a little 22 to my head - driven around until they decided I didn't have any money on me (junkies) and then pushed out of the car. Today, it would take a lot to make me shoot someone but I would ... then probably be up before a grand jury even if self-defense. Fear is a strong thing.
My son, on the other hand, is probably like you - he bought out the last AK47 in the shop when some (another) scare came about last year or so about guns. He has a safe full and is not a crazy person. He just feels he has a right to have them and loves to go to the range and also hunts.
The plus of his getting pissed about the 2nd Amendment threat is that he is finally thinking TFG and his crew needs to go. Sometimes it takes different things for different people. Hopefully, enough will come around.
Posted by: johnwas at October 29, 2013 08:12 PM (xR46S)
Oh, they're working solutions for the "SWAP" (Size, Weight, and Power) issues.
Here's one that they're looking at: https://tinyurl.com/mclnmt3
The idea is that the squad loads their rucks, extra ammo, mortar, etc on it instead of, you know, actually carrying their shit.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 29, 2013 08:12 PM (DE9KP)
Here I am reading all the comments like a fool and missing my opportunity to tout Computer World - love it - still listen to Numbers all the time.
If by diversity, one means tactics, I am guessing the plan is to knit a pillbox cozy next time ...
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 08:12 PM (/oZbq)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 29, 2013 08:13 PM (TOGBD)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 29, 2013 08:14 PM (xz0nG)
Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 29, 2013 08:14 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 29, 2013 08:14 PM (dfYL9)
Yeah, that's gonna work real well when you're humping up the side of a goddamn mountain.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 29, 2013 08:15 PM (lr3d7)
Are the going to be nude?
Is this about money or winning?
Posted by: The Bible at October 30, 2013 12:10 AM (MVBSu)
I now believe the breaking point will be when some high school boy self identifies as female and starts dominating girls sports. That will be interesting to watch progs twist themselves for a "proper solution"
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at October 29, 2013 08:17 PM (b9K4P)
Posted by: The Bible at October 29, 2013 08:17 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: mindful webworker's unasked-for opinion at October 29, 2013 08:18 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 08:18 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 08:18 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:19 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 08:19 PM (/oZbq)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 08:20 PM (qVKcL)
That's another issue that libs don't understand, despite all their squawking about "Science!"
They really believe that by ordering countless hours of Powerpoints on sexual harassment/assault, that they're going to control the libidos of hundreds of thousands of 18- and 19-year-olds.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 29, 2013 08:20 PM (DE9KP)
Doesn't Charlie Rangle introduce a bill to reinstate the draft every session?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 29, 2013 08:20 PM (JawqV)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 08:21 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 08:21 PM (CMlD4)
They have. They call it "mandatory volunteer service". The idea they keep trying to float is that all 18yo should do two years either military or civilian service. The military gets filled with conscripts who don't want to be there, while the civilian "volunteers" get farmed out at slave wages to progressive groups.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 29, 2013 08:22 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at October 29, 2013 08:22 PM (b9K4P)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:22 PM (3OFnS)
They ruin everything they touch.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 30, 2013 12:14 AM (dfYL9)
Yes they do. There is nothing they won't fuck up because they get off on it. You know why the right don't fight like they do? Because the right mostly has the live and let live attitude, most don't give a shit what people do for a good time. The left on the other hand gets off on fucking with you. They need to fuck with your cars, the wood in your guitars, your idea of art, your idea of enjoying the outdoors, your food, etc. Nothing is sacred to them, nothing. They wake up every fucking day looking for something to rail against, or something to destroy that other people just might enjoy. They are a disease.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 08:22 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 08:23 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 08:24 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand
I believe that is already happening in PA, field hockey teams with boys are dominating the sport. I don't know if the boys have to wear the little skirts.
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 08:24 PM (CMlD4)
Yeah, that's gonna work real well when you're humping up the side of a goddamn mountain.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 30, 2013 12:15 AM (lr3d7)
Actually, the mountain thing is probably not the worst -- the worst is when the enemy figures out that every battle should begin by RPG'ing the widget lugging the ammo.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 08:25 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:25 PM (3OFnS)
I never said it was a good or realistic solution, lol. Just that it was being worked on. The damn thing is bigger than it looks, too. It's damn near the size of a HMMVW.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 29, 2013 08:25 PM (DE9KP)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 08:26 PM (qVKcL)
It should be here in about a week.
Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 12:24 AM (dfxdn)
Well.....spill it man. what did you get??
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 08:26 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 08:26 PM (ShNqq)
I appreciated that translation.
Being raised in a previous millenium, my first rhetorical thought was, what able man, with danger before him, does not put himself between danger and a woman?
Then I thought about that scene in Heinlein's Love is Not Enough where the couple is settled 'way out in the wilderness, and creeps come by. When they show their intentions, it's the man and the dog who are in the light, face-to-face with the creeps. The woman with the long rifle is aiming through the door, from the hidden darkness of the next room.
Because, you know, maybe not side by side, but man and woman is a partnership, after all.
Posted by: mindful webworker's unasked-for opinion at October 30, 2013 12:18 AM (U13jb)
Heinlein knew (and taught) what it is to be human.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 08:26 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 29, 2013 08:26 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 30, 2013 12:25 AM (3OFnS)
Mine are in between hatred and genocide.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 08:27 PM (FMbng)
Like a tiny railroad? They would never use that strategy.
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 08:27 PM (MVBSu)
Heinlein knew (and taught) what it is to be human.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 30, 2013 12:26 AM (T1005)
Sometimes. His free love BS would never work with real people.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 29, 2013 08:27 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 12:20 AM (qVKcL)
You know a night can't pass without me giving you pelican fuckers some grief.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 08:27 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Pimp Daddy Welfare at October 29, 2013 08:28 PM (RBDM6)
It may not work as well for everyone. And, to be totally honest, I do drink a bit too much, but at least I can feel pretty good about the solid foods I get in me.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 08:28 PM (7KZod)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 08:28 PM (qVKcL)
Speaking of guitars...I broke down and bought another.
It should be here in about a week.
Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 12:24 AM (dfxdn)
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details?
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 08:29 PM (PlzOe)
the wife would have hurt a body part that doesn't heal right
But if you spent that money, your daughter wouldn't be able to spend it later!
Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 29, 2013 08:30 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: Hrothgar Establishment RINO at October 29, 2013 08:30 PM (XdnQT)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 30, 2013 12:19 AM (3OFnS)
You haven't noticed their constant harping on the subject? How 'bout http://tinyurl.com/k32adso just to get you rolling. You'll have to search your own results to get more, but there are thousands.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 08:30 PM (T1005)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 08:30 PM (qZPXs)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 08:31 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 29, 2013 08:31 PM (7KZod)
Best lyrics. Ever.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 08:31 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 29, 2013 08:31 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 08:31 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 29, 2013 08:31 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Hrothgar Establishment RINO at October 29, 2013 08:32 PM (XdnQT)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:33 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 29, 2013 08:34 PM (ZPrif)
Semi-Hollow 24 Fretter with a Tune-O-Matic.
Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 12:28 AM (dfxdn)
Oooh nice. I don't usually follow PRS, so I'm not sure how many different semi hollow ones they make, but I played one a few years back that was really nice. It was roughly les paul size, had a wicked flame top and I "think" the back was also flame maple. I remember it being basically 2 solid pieces of wood that was machined out hollow with a section left uncut to form this wood like pillar under the bridge area. It was done in a violin amber color. Was really cool.
I haven't bought any guitars for a month or so, I'm back in amp mode for awhile. I do have one of the gibson government flying V's coming whenever they decide to build the frigging thing. They are saying november, so we'll see. I ordered it in april.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 08:35 PM (FMbng)
Oh fuck I need to set in provisions at the fall back shack. Cause that dem lite wont fix any of the problems and we are near the cliff.
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 08:35 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: mindful webworker and the allure of the comfy pillow at October 29, 2013 08:36 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 08:36 PM (qZPXs)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 08:36 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 08:36 PM (ShNqq)
the wife would have hurt a body part that doesn't heal right
http://tinyurl.com/lalsbkl
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 12:28 AM (qVKcL)
Oh fuck me running. I would buy that fucker and some medieval suit of armor and let her hit me with a baseball bat all day. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 08:37 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 29, 2013 08:37 PM (ZPrif)
That's already happened.
The response from the Left is telling:
http://tinyurl.com/ovekcbk
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 30, 2013 12:31 AM (Vk2pI)
Hah! that's awesome.
We had a girl try to join the football team in HS (this was 1984). She made it through all of the first 20 minutes of 2 a days and quit.
buh bye.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 08:38 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Baraka at October 29, 2013 08:39 PM (4BA+Y)
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 08:39 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 08:39 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:40 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 08:40 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 29, 2013 08:40 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 08:40 PM (/oZbq)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 08:40 PM (qZPXs)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 08:42 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: scottst at October 29, 2013 08:43 PM (Fp9Vt)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 30, 2013 12:27 AM (lr3d7)
Yeah he seemed really pro open relationships, group marriages, polygamy, polyandry. I think those only work in critical economic circumstances, and with a set hierarchy. Even then envy, jealousy, are real human emotions, they can't be contained just ask a prog.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at October 29, 2013 08:44 PM (b9K4P)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:44 PM (3OFnS)
Did you buy some?
Posted by: The Hickster at October 30, 2013 12:40 AM (MVBSu)
Yeah, I got a bunch of Oregon beers to try on the trip up to the 'rents. If you're suggesting that I'm a good example, they'd be out of business in a week -- I was just passing through.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 08:44 PM (T1005)
The one you are thinking of is a Hollow Body II, Bers.
This is a Semi-Holow, no sound holes.
It's Redwood over Mahogany. It has a deeper body than a standard Custom 24. Mahogany Neck and a flat sawn Rosewood Fretboard w/ Bird Inlays.
I have always had a soft spot for this model. It's the only non-trem model they made before 1994 or so.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 08:45 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: vomit launch at October 29, 2013 08:46 PM (ShNqq)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 29, 2013 08:47 PM (N/cFh)
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Charlie Rangel has suggested it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 12:39 AM (aDwsi)
He does it about once a year.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 29, 2013 08:47 PM (H0R/1)
Yeah you alone were not why they can keep charging that much but if they are still getting it there is still enough interest at that price.
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 08:47 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:48 PM (3OFnS)
As an aside Starbucks is still in business too.
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 08:50 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 30, 2013 12:40 AM (3OFnS)
My guess is around $2500-3000 cheaper. The graphics are stupid money because they are usually one of a kind, so you pay for the art. The downside is the resale is bad because graphics aren't that transferable. meaning that the next guy most likely won't give a shit about your choice in graphics. I have a custom shop jackson soloist thats painted up like a B17 bomber, and its a one of a kind. It was $4500, but I only paid $1500, because the friend who bought it owned it a month and just couldn't sell it, so he gave it to me for what a regular non graphic soloist would cost at the time. He basically gave it to me for what most people offered him.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 08:50 PM (FMbng)
one thing I learned when taking lessons in college from a dude you might describe as a guitar demigod was that how you play is everything, and what you play is nothing.
Teisco built guitars for people like you.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 08:52 PM (dfxdn)
Talk about pressure. We'd have to make it something then if people are flying in. Maybe if we call it the "Madly Macabre Mid-Mississippi Moron Meetup" we can tie in with Halloween and possibly snare J. J. Sefton by his love of Ms, expand the party.
Posted by: .87c at October 30, 2013 12:40 AM (qZPXs)
Not a regular poster here but regular reader for 6+years. Know a few people from TN, GA area who are also posters/readers who might be able to get together. What part of Mississippi?
Posted by: johnwas at October 29, 2013 08:53 PM (xR46S)
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 08:53 PM (/oZbq)
http://tinyurl.com/mpsbdmb
Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 12:47 AM (dfxdn)
oh thats nice.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 08:53 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 08:54 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 30, 2013 12:27 AM (lr3d7)
Yeah he seemed really pro open relationships, group marriages, polygamy, polyandry. I think those only work in critical economic circumstances, and with a set hierarchy. Even then envy, jealousy, are real human emotions, they can't be contained just ask a prog.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at October 30, 2013 12:44 AM (b9K4P)
There's a lot in Heinlein to value competence, adaptability, humor, honor, independence, and long-term effort.....and then there's a bunch of stuff he threw at the walls to dress a story. Starship Troopers has the military service for voting thing, the Free Love is in a bunch, hiding a movement as a religion is in a few, some have secret societies....
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 08:54 PM (T1005)
Posted by: The Hickster at October 29, 2013 08:55 PM (MVBSu)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 08:57 PM (3OFnS)
I'm starting to get the Impression that guitars are like women
Better. When you stop playing them they are quiet.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 08:57 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 08:57 PM (/oZbq)
Teisco built guitars for people like you.
Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 12:52 AM (dfxdn)
lol.
Actually, there is a small truth to that, but pretty small. A good player will always sound like himself on just about anything, but there is a huge world of a difference between a good guitar and a cheap one.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 08:57 PM (FMbng)
college from a dude you might describe as a guitar demigod was that how
you play is everything, and what you play is nothing.
Teisco built guitars for people like you.
Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 12:52 AM (dfxdn)
lol.
Actually, there is a small truth to that, but pretty small. A good player will always sound like himself on just about anything, but there is a huge world of a difference between a good guitar and a cheap one.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 12:57 AM (FMbng)
I've got a small stable of Ibanez Musicians.....and I might start thinking of other "wonder guitars" when I get competent enough to be limited by them.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 08:59 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 29, 2013 09:00 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 09:00 PM (aDwsi)
the san dimas' command a huge price mainly for the us made necks
that one is rosewood which is rare enough but also reversed which is rare in its own right
i'd pay a grand just for the loaded neck
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 12:54 AM (qVKcL)
You're shopping in the wrong place. A friend of mine bought 6 USA san dimas models over the last year or so and got them cheap, all way under 2K. The fuck got the last one for $600 from a dude that needed money quick.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 09:02 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 09:02 PM (/oZbq)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 29, 2013 09:03 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 30, 2013 12:57 AM
Because a great guitar can make you sound better and actually allow for faster improvement. The dude you took lessons from sounded good, because he was already good. A great guitar may not make you Hendrix overnight, but it will be a big help. A shitty guitar is going to be a long uphill battle.
Posted by: otho at October 29, 2013 09:04 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 09:04 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 09:05 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 09:05 PM (qVKcL)
I will say that a fine instrument will make you want to play it more!
This.
Also, you will always get your money out of them if you buy the good ones.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 09:06 PM (dfxdn)
I wound up with three from him, all around 600 each
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 01:05 AM (qVKcL)
There you go!! They are out there.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 09:07 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: words n curds at October 29, 2013 09:07 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 09:08 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: otho at October 30, 2013 01:04 AM (9gNQd)
This is very true. If you have to fight a crappy guitar as a beginner you will lose interest.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 09:09 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 09:10 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: .87c at October 29, 2013 09:10 PM (KQsg4)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 09:11 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 09:13 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 09:16 PM (qVKcL)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 09:18 PM (qVKcL)
Right, it could be said that a new set of Calloways, or a sweet PRS, or a fancy Nikon, or a Mitsubishi Evo, might help you hit the ball straighter, or sound better, or produce better photographs, or be faster around the cones, but it could also be said that those things are masking your deficiencies and preventing you from mastering fundamentals at a beginner level. A novice is still a novice and an expert is still an expert and expensive equipment doesn't change that - I think some people trying to become proficient in a skill go big on equipment early thinking that it might. Those effects, I guess, could most likely be felt at the intermediate levels, where the limitations of your equipment could be holding you back.
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 09:19 PM (/oZbq)
wish I still had it
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 01:18 AM
telecasters > bears
Posted by: otho at October 29, 2013 09:20 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at October 29, 2013 09:20 PM (qbnUn)
The list of Great Ones that has passed through my hands is just insane...
If I could get any of them back it would be a tough call.
Probably the 1950 Esquire that I sold a few years back.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 09:21 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 30, 2013 01:00 AM (N/cFh)
Who was the Sharia judge he appointed? There was a time when I was thinking Christie would mop the floor with TFG but time has proven me wrong. His almost crazy stupid love for Springsteen (I appreciate separating musicians from politics but this is extreme) - Sharia creep is a huge factor in my decision on who to vote for in the next election. It gets almost no play in the media.
***
I'm going to bed now, I'll check in tomorrrow on the ONT. See if this thing continues to pick up traction.
Posted by: .87c at October 30, 2013 01:10 AM (KQsg4)
yes. hope this happens.
Posted by: johnwas at October 29, 2013 09:23 PM (xR46S)
Posted by: RokShox at October 29, 2013 09:23 PM (8MMMw)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 30, 2013 01:13 AM (3OFnS)
Classical guitars are tough. I actually build them, and I learned how to build them because I didn't want to spend 10K on a grand concert classical, but I did need one. I was already playing 30 years at the time, so I was way, way developed, but no matter what I did I could NOT get the tone out of store bought classicals that I would hear other players get from the uber good guitars. After some years of learning how to build them it was pretty easy to see why. They may look alike, but they are nothing alike. The good ones are built with an entirely different approach and attitude. My very first one, an 1864 Torres copy, killed anything I ever bought out of a store. It was easily twice as loud and had the tone from hell. I went through a dozen store bought ones and out grew them before the strings needed changing. Being an electric guitar player that was quite a different world from what I was used to.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 09:23 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 09:25 PM (3OFnS)
lessons, I was given good advice from several knowledgeable people
before I went. Got a decent one that had some scratches, but had good
action and kept in tune without much trouble. New strings on it were to
my ears like taking a bath after a month in the desert.
Posted by: model_1066 at October 30, 2013 01:13 AM (3OFnS)
Classical guitars are tough. I actually build them, and I learned how to build them because I didn't want to spend 10K on a grand concert classical, but I did need one. I was already playing 30 years at the time, so I was way, way developed, but no matter what I did I could NOT get the tone out of store bought classicals that I would hear other players get from the uber good guitars. After some years of learning how to build them it was pretty easy to see why. They may look alike, but they are nothing alike. The good ones are built with an entirely different approach and attitude. My very first one, an 1864 Torres copy, killed anything I ever bought out of a store. It was easily twice as loud and had the tone from hell. I went through a dozen store bought ones and out grew them before the strings needed changing. Being an electric guitar player that was quite a different world from what I was used to.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 01:23 AM (FMbng)
Can you give an example of the difference in approach in attitude? Is it selection of materials, architecture, craftsmanship, etc.?
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 09:27 PM (T1005)
Jimmy d'Aquisto picked up one of my PRS once, shook his head and said, "I could have made a better sounding end table out of this wood.".
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 09:27 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 01:11 AM (qVKcL)
Don't worry that won't happen in this week's NFL thread.
Now Josh McCown.... He sucks.
Posted by: buzzion at October 29, 2013 09:28 PM (LI48c)
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 09:29 PM (/oZbq)
Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 01:18 AM
My first was a 1971 tele my father gave me when I was 12. I still have some of the..um... pieces.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 09:29 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 09:30 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 09:31 PM (P4dpU)
My first was a 1971 tele my father gave me when I was 12. I still have some of the..um... pieces.
Fucking luthiers, man.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 09:31 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 01:29 AM
71? A good year. Still got one. Love the fucking thing.
Posted by: otho at October 29, 2013 09:33 PM (9gNQd)
Right, it could be said that a new set of Calloways, or a sweet PRS, or a fancy Nikon, or a Mitsubishi Evo, might help you hit the ball straighter, or sound better, or produce better photographs, or be faster around the cones, but it could also be said that those things are masking your deficiencies and preventing you from mastering fundamentals at a beginner level. A novice is still a novice and an expert is still an expert and expensive equipment doesn't change that - I think some people trying to become proficient in a skill go big on equipment early thinking that it might. Those effects, I guess, could most likely be felt at the intermediate levels, where the limitations of your equipment could be holding you back.
Posted by: Joe at October 30, 2013 01:19 AM (/oZbq)
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Not quite. First, if an axe has deficiencies a beginner can't improve because they can't figure out why what they are trying doesn't work. For example, maybe the frets buzz cuz the axe is shit rather than the technique is bad.
Second, if a person buys a quality (not highest quality, just good quality-still affordable not nutso bux) instrument used, that person can use it for years and sell it for as much or more than they paid for it (yes, even with inflation).
Third, the whole process involves a commitment of a kind. Buying crap gear does not instill that commitment, and when your gear is letting you down it is not a joy to play. Joy -- you play more. Struggle -- you play less.
Fourth, your tone is also your inspiration. I would still not be Stanley Clarke if I played his rig, but the quality of his tone would lead me to some very nice surprises that would inspire better music while I explored those sounds.
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 09:34 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 01:31 AM (dfxdn)
Aren't luthiers people that specialize in making mandolins?
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 09:34 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 09:35 PM (3OFnS)
http://condino.com/
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 09:37 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 09:38 PM (dfxdn)
Sooo, it seems that collector car prices are directly related to the nostalgia trips of middle aged men. This may be readily apparent. The early boomers had their fin-ny specials like tri five Chevys and such, and then the late boomers spiked the muscle cars unbelievably a while back. Right now, as I predicted and failed to act upon, the Porches and BMWs of the Eighties are through the roof. Next will be good unmolested examples of '90s Japanese tuner cars. The NSX is already rising at a high rate.
Sometimes I wish I had more balls ...
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 09:39 PM (/oZbq)
Posted by: Poor Richard's Armagnac at October 29, 2013 09:39 PM (AiZkN)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 09:40 PM (P4dpU)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 09:41 PM (DmNpO)
Huh? Waddya mean? So, he told me -- "Bad insurance is worse than no insurance. Bad insurance makes you think you are covered. If you are going to buy insurance, make sure the people you are paying are actually going to treat you right and pay your claims."
So, here's the dealio. Oblameus is such a fuck up that I doubt we will actually get our damn claims paid in any reasonable fashion. When the government fucks up the marketplace, what are going to do -- threaten to go to the competition? The price will go up, but the fight you will have to devote to getting your damn claims paid is going to require a hurricane level shitstorm. And if your doctor is high quality (read -- already rich) they will get sick of the shit and quit.
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 09:41 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at October 29, 2013 09:42 PM (hRNoZ)
Posted by: otho at October 29, 2013 09:43 PM (9gNQd)
That, and they make/mess with wooden stringed instruments, whether bowed or otherwise.
Posted by: Piercello at October 30, 2013 01:40 AM (P4dpU)
If you follow my link and actually make contact with James; he's a true master of the craft. He really is.
But ask him about the time he tried to burn us both up in an unfortunate engine fire in a ford mustang in the Tinker AFB airman's dorm parking lot.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 09:43 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 09:48 PM (P4dpU)
What they can't fix is the completely fucked up law and asinine approach to the problem.
We need to avoid having people think "oh, the website is fixed the problem is over" cuz the truth is that will be when the problem just is starting to get on a roll.
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 09:48 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Poor Richard's Armagnac at October 29, 2013 09:50 PM (AiZkN)
Posted by: cthulhu at October 30, 2013 01:27 AM (T1005)
Ok where to start.
First off, the top is everything. Torres, who is basically the founder of the classical guitar as we know it, in the 1800's built a guitar with a spruce top, but with a paper mache body just to prove the top is everything. The type of spruce, how many lines per inch, the thickness, how its thicknessed, etc, all matter.
A store bought classical usually has a top thats somewhat decent, but never master grade, but they run it through a thickness sander set at a standard thickness, usually around 2.5-3mm so its cookie cutter. Some tops may need to be at a different thickness to release its ultimate tone, so its a crapshoot what the guitar sounds like if you just pick a standard thickness and go at it. Also, the top is whatever thickness they decide all across the top. Not the case with the better ones. Torres thinned his top around the perimeter, sometimes as thin as 1.4 mm with it being around 2mm in the center. He got the top to act like a diaphram, or basically like a speaker cone. The guitar has much more volume that way. He also had a dome shape to his top with the peak of the dome under the bridge. This made the top a lot stronger which means you can make it thinner and lighter.
Then you have the bracing, the bracing pattern, the weight of the bracing, etc. thats a whole conversation in itself. There are usually 2 cross braces, one in the front of the sound hole, and one at the rear of the sound hole. Torres scooped out an area on each side of the rear cross brace so it only contacted the area in the very center and on the ends of the top, that left the top unrestricted to vibrate even more. Some builders still do that. The ramerez 1A uses one of the brace arches to this day.
Then you have the glues, the best shit is hide glue, period. It transfers tone way better, and its not used in store bought guitars.
The finish, the best ones are french polished. the finish is very light and don't weight the top down and dampen the vibrations like lacquer or poly does.
The fingerboard is shaped different. On the good ones its thicker on the treble side and slants down slightly on the bass side to give the bass strings more room to vibrate.
and on and on
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 09:50 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 09:50 PM (/oZbq)
is worth two if by sea.
Posted by: Poor Richard's Armagnac at October 30, 2013 01:50 AM (AiZkN)
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familiarity breeds the cat.
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 09:52 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Poor Richard's Armagnac at October 29, 2013 09:52 PM (AiZkN)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 09:53 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Poor Richard's Armagnac at October 29, 2013 09:54 PM (AiZkN)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 09:56 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 09:56 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 01:53 AM (FMbng)
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You gotta get Mona Lisa Vito to help you get it "just right."
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 09:57 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 09:57 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 09:58 PM (dfxdn)
Posted by: Nick Novak at October 29, 2013 09:59 PM (4BA+Y)
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 09:59 PM (/oZbq)
Posted by: Joe at October 30, 2013 01:59 AM (/oZbq)
I still can't get a freaking ampersand! I've been here for 11 years!
WHY! WHY?
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:01 PM (x3YFz)
Motherfucker.
I want you to make a guitar for me. But there's no way I could afford you.
Impressive knowledge, though. A joy to read.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:01 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 10:01 PM (P4dpU)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at October 29, 2013 10:01 PM (UB6eP)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 30, 2013 01:56 AM
That's a pretty damning comparison. But, fair and accurate.
Posted by: otho at October 29, 2013 10:01 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:03 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 10:03 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: LIV at October 29, 2013 10:04 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 29, 2013 10:04 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 10:05 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Slow Joe at October 29, 2013 10:05 PM (4BA+Y)
Posted by: Piercello at October 30, 2013 02:01 AM (P4dpU)
As a physicist, I am in complete awe of you folks that master the craft of making instruments.
If I make a birdhouse it looks like a Picasso.
The depth of knowledge of the materials, the pure skill in woodworking... it's amazing to me.
Watching a master work and build an instrument is... well, I just can't put words to it. I don't think "I want to be that guy" because that's not me, but at the same time I recognize genius when I see it. Pretty danged cool, imho.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:07 PM (x3YFz)
Also: funkiest white drummer in the history of rock music. Jaki Liebzeit was a German dude who George Clinton said he wished he could've had for Parliament, and one listen to "Vitamin C" or "Halleluwah" will make you believe it.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:07 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 10:07 PM (dfxdn)
So it is really a remarkably individual process.
Posted by: Piercello at October 30, 2013 02:01 AM (P4dpU)
Bingo. I do believe Torres got a lot of his techniques from the violin dudes. He designed his tops to move like that.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 10:09 PM (FMbng)
Huh? Waddya mean? So, he told me -- "Bad insurance is worse than no insurance. Bad insurance makes you think you are covered. If you are going to buy insurance, make sure the people you are paying are actually going to treat you right and pay your claims."
So, here's the dealio. Oblameus is such a fuck up that I doubt we will actually get our damn claims paid in any reasonable fashion. When the government fucks up the marketplace, what are going to do -- threaten to go to the competition? The price will go up, but the fight you will have to devote to getting your damn claims paid is going to require a hurricane level shitstorm. And if your doctor is high quality (read -- already rich) they will get sick of the shit and quit.
Posted by: jc at October 30, 2013 01:41 AM (PlzOe)
It's even more fundamental. Insurance is a bet -- you bet that something catastrophic is going to happen to you and you'll need a shit-ton of money to recover, and the insurer bets that it will either not happen to you or that you can recover on less than you think.
Years ago, when I was the Controller of some companies, there were folks going around and saying that prepaid legal was the next cool fringe benefit to attract employees. You saw ads for them everywhere....and then they all went bust and you hardly hear about it anymore. Why? Because prepaid legal is attractive to people who habitually sue others for spurious reasons.
And, finally -- nobody walks into a hotel any more and asks for a room -- because "rack rates" are $259/night where expedia can get you one for $69, AAA will have it at $79, Orbitz will have it at $75, and there's a coupon in a magazine for $80.
Now combine all of that into one big mess and it's healthcare. The "rack rate" for most common surgeries is at least 5x the price anyone actually pays, which forces you to be in a prepaid medical plan whose costs are wildly inflated lest you be bankrupted. In the meantime, there's no motivation for individuals to deal rationally with their problems because the system is so skewed.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 10:09 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 10:09 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: Hrothgar Establishment RINO at October 29, 2013 10:10 PM (XdnQT)
When you and your boys go to vegas once every 5 years for the "get together" do you pay flat rates? Fuck no. You deal shop. You find the one guy in the group who's a vet who can get you govt rates or some discount based on the time of week or some special coupon deal or whatever.
You're right: only punks pay full price
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:12 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 10:12 PM (P4dpU)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 29, 2013 10:13 PM (Vk2pI)
I do believe Torres got a lot of his techniques from the violin dudes. He designed his tops to move like that.
I know D'Angelico and D'Aquisto were students of the violin builders. Jimmy would talk your ear off about the progression of great violin building techniques.
The guy could hear wood like nobody I have ever seen. Watching him select the woods for a guitar was incredible. He had a knack for knowing which pieces of wood wanted to be together. It was amazing.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 10:13 PM (dfxdn)
It is sublime stuff.
I once bought a bass at a shop in NYC. I had a pal with me, the great Ray Brown.
I played a bunch of them and narrowed my purchase down to 3 basses.
To me they sounded very different.
Ray came over and played them and they all sounded the same, as in, great.
Posted by: navybrat at October 29, 2013 10:14 PM (CPcvJ)
Wife plays the cello, I diddle with the violin (horribly). Perhaps you could give us some pointers in the future.
She gets pissed when I start explaining nodes and wavelengths and harmonics. I come at it from the mathematical/physicist side and she says I'm stealing the magic. I contend I'm explaining the magic. Then we duel with bowstrings.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:16 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Adriane ... at October 29, 2013 10:18 PM (KoFMU)
I had a pal with me, the great Ray Brown.
THE Ray Brown?
Like Oscar Peterson Quintet. Ella Fitzgerald.
Played with fucking everyone and made them better for it, Ray Brown?
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 10:18 PM (W7L2Q)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 30, 2013 02:03 AM (n/+FT)
Actually, there is one pretty cheap classical out there thats impressive for the price. Its a cordoba, I think its called the Imbera series. Its made in china, not really happy about that seeing I have a spanish built cordaba and hate seeing the name go to shit, but the china one was designed by kenny hill, and I think he trained the dudes. The interesting thing he does on those is to add what they call a sloped treble bar brace on the treble side. It tightens up the treble side of the top and makes the trebles louder. Its about $300 new, and it was so good for the money I bought one as a beater for less than ideal conditions so I don't risk one of mine that takes 200 hours to build. They play nice, have cedar tops, and have a pretty good overall tone. probably the best $300 classical I saw in a while. After that price point there are better options.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 10:20 PM (FMbng)
Ray came over and played them and they all sounded the same, as in, great.
Posted by: navybrat at October 30, 2013 02:14 AM (CPcvJ)
I find that very interesting. If to you they all had different qualities but when he played them he overwhelmed the instrument?
Is that good or bad? (rhetorical, with no correct answer)
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:20 PM (x3YFz)
THE Ray Brown? As in, the legend who played with Ella and Oscar and god knows how may others?
Damn, son.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:21 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 10:21 PM (P4dpU)
approach in attitude? Is it selection of materials, architecture,
craftsmanship, etc.?
Posted by: cthulhu at October 30, 2013 01:27 AM (T1005)
Ok where to start.
First off, the top is everything. Torres, who is basically the founder of the classical guitar as we know it, in the 1800's built a guitar with a spruce top, but with a paper mache body just to prove the top is everything. The type of spruce, how many lines per inch, the thickness, how its thicknessed, etc, all matter.
A store bought classical usually has a top thats somewhat decent, but never master grade, but they run it through a thickness sander set at a standard thickness, usually around 2.5-3mm so its cookie cutter. Some tops may need to be at a different thickness to release its ultimate tone, so its a crapshoot what the guitar sounds like if you just pick a standard thickness and go at it. Also, the top is whatever thickness they decide all across the top. Not the case with the better ones. Torres thinned his top around the perimeter, sometimes as thin as 1.4 mm with it being around 2mm in the center. He got the top to act like a diaphram, or basically like a speaker cone. The guitar has much more volume that way. He also had a dome shape to his top with the peak of the dome under the bridge. This made the top a lot stronger which means you can make it thinner and lighter.Then you have the bracing, the bracing pattern, the weight of the bracing, etc. thats a whole conversation in itself. There are usually 2 cross braces, one in the front of the sound hole, and one at the rear of the sound hole. Torres scooped out an area on each side of the rear cross brace so it only contacted the area in the very center and on the ends of the top, that left the top unrestricted to vibrate even more. Some builders still do that. The ramerez 1A uses one of the brace arches to this day.
Then you have the glues, the best shit is hide glue, period. It transfers tone way better, and its not used in store bought guitars.The finish, the best ones are french polished. the finish is very light and don't weight the top down and dampen the vibrations like lacquer or poly does.The fingerboard is shaped different. On the good ones its thicker on the treble side and slants down slightly on the bass side to give the bass strings more room to vibrate.and on and on
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 01:50 AM (FMbng)
OK, so I'm seeing architecture, craftsmanship, and materials
And, just to keep me out of the barrel, .
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 10:21 PM (T1005)
That's a ridiculous steal for a classical guitar, particularly one that plays well. Thanks for the recommendation.
Now...want to recommend a 12-string? :-)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:22 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Piercello at October 30, 2013 02:21 AM (P4dpU)
trush@uccs.edu
hopefully we're deep enough into the ONT that the monsters won't get me.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:23 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Adriane ... at October 29, 2013 10:23 PM (KoFMU)
Lucky bastard.
That totally beats my closest brush with jazz greatness, which was getting into a shouting match with Cecil Taylor over which of us had the right to use a grand piano.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:24 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Adriane ... at October 29, 2013 10:26 PM (KoFMU)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 30, 2013 02:24 AM (n/+FT)
Heh. I've had my brushes with celebrities as well, mostly like yours where I got stiff-armed out of the way.
"hey! you're that guy that... MMFMM.... asshole!"
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:27 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:27 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Piercello at October 30, 2013 02:12 AM (P4dpU)
Thats a pain in the ass. I fix violins too every once in a while. That sound post is right up there with ball surgery. I can't play them, but I get suckered into fixing them for people I know who do. I did a restoration on an 1800's german violin that I thought would be the death of me. I had to rebuild corners, do cheek patches, remove the top, fix a crack, etc. Came out great, but damn it was nerve racking.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 10:27 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: navybrat at October 29, 2013 10:27 PM (CPcvJ)
Posted by: Adriane ... at October 30, 2013 02:26 AM (KoFMU)
meh. clowns. just shoot out their kneecaps and lock the doors on the Prius. Problem solved, problem staying solved.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:29 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Adriane ... at October 29, 2013 10:30 PM (KoFMU)
Ray was sort of the antithesis of the way the argument is going on this thread. He could pick up any bass and make it sound fantastic.
I'm pretty sure all great musicians are that way. They have their own voice.
I have spent a lot of time with some pretty famous pros as they work through a pile of guitars that they are considering. They always sound like themselves. Humbuckers, single coils, different amps. Doesn't matter.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 10:31 PM (W7L2Q)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 10:33 PM (P4dpU)
personal preference I suppose.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:34 PM (x3YFz)
This is almost the exact same philosophy that Robert Fripp (the legendary guitarist, ex-King Crimson, Bowie, Eno, Talking Heads, etc.) subscribes to: it's not the instrument as much as it is the instrumentalist. It's all about 'leaning in' to the contours of whatever you have to work with. I once attended a guitar 'seminar' held by Fripp (he liked to teach back in the day) where he demonstrated the point by playing everything from ultra-expensive, tricked-out electric guitars to plastic Korean-made acoustics and coaxing the most beautiful sound imaginable out of each and every one of them. He was trying to prove the point that, while having good gear is important, you can't let it become an excuse for holding your technique or inspiration back. Pretty amazing lesson.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:34 PM (n/+FT)
Lucky bastard.
That totally beats my closest brush with jazz greatness, which was getting into a shouting match with Cecil Taylor over which of us had the right to use a grand piano.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 30, 2013 02:24 AM (n/+FT)
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***faints dead away***
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 10:34 PM (PlzOe)
Yes, this is EXACTLY the point Fripp was making when I saw him.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:35 PM (n/+FT)
Now...want to recommend a 12-string? :-)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 30, 2013 02:22 AM (n/+FT)
Good question, I really don't know. I do know yamaha makes a pretty damn good acoustic for the money. I got the wife an FG730S that is a great sounding and playing guitar that was around $300. There was nothing remotely close to it at that price. I would think they make a 12 string.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 10:36 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 10:37 PM (P4dpU)
Posted by: Piercello at October 30, 2013 02:33 AM (P4dpU)
It wasn't an insult. But your reply (I can make a plywood cello sound amazing) makes the point.
There's a point at which the skill of the musician overwhelms deficiencies in the materiel. Not to say that a fine instrument can, in the right hands, become almost ethereal. I sat 10 feet away from Joshua Bell so I've seen it, heard it, and it was amazing.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:39 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:41 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: tangonine at October 30, 2013 02:39 AM (x3YFz)
yeah I bet the 4 million dollar strad he was playing helped a wee bit. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 10:41 PM (FMbng)
yeah I bet the 4 million dollar strad he was playing helped a wee bit. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 02:41 AM (FMbng)
heh, probably. but I'll remember that night for the rest of my life.
Us cowboys don't get to witness stuff like that very often, but we do appreciate it when we do.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:43 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 10:45 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 30, 2013 02:41 AM (n/+FT)
I might argue that this is because pianos are so vanilla in the first place -- when you have one that is technically deficient, it's really bad.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 10:45 PM (T1005)
I'd like to have a nice Telecaster or Les Paul (the guitar I've wanted since I was in my early teens) though they're outside my reach right now. I have seen a couple of used Les Pauls in local classifieds that give me a little hope, though.
Anybody got any suggestions for something that would be a good, affordable starter electric/amp combo that I could plausibly use to play just about anything? I'd like something around the $500, or less if possible.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 29, 2013 10:45 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 10:47 PM (P4dpU)
Posted by: tangonine at October 30, 2013 02:43 AM (x3YFz)
Did you ever see the video where bell decided to sit in some buss or train depot playing his strad as if he was just some street musician? People walked right by him and didn't even pay attention as if it was no big deal. unreal really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOPu0_YWhw
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 10:48 PM (FMbng)
I'd like to have a nice Telecaster or Les Paul (the guitar I've wanted since I was in my early teens) though they're outside my reach right now. I have seen a couple of used Les Pauls in local classifieds that give me a little hope, though.
Anybody got any suggestions for something that would be a good, affordable starter electric/amp combo that I could plausibly use to play just about anything? I'd like something around the $500, or less if possible.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 30, 2013 02:45 AM
A good, particularly a good old, tele or LP will cost you an arm and a leg. If you like tele's, and only communist don't, I recommend the Squire telecaster. There's a particular make that is better, but, alas, I can't recall what production. In any event, for the $$$ you pay, which isn't much 2nd hand, you get a pretty fucking decent telecaster. Not quite as easy to play as the regular ones, but still fine with a good sound.
Posted by: otho at October 29, 2013 10:51 PM (9gNQd)
Never ceased to be amazed at the brains, talent, and skill that is comprised by this group ... y'all are an amazing bunch ...
Yet, we are the stupid ones, lol ...
Rally vids and sleep methinks ...
Posted by: Joe at October 29, 2013 10:51 PM (/oZbq)
At that pricepoint, DDR, I would go and play every used axe I could find.
Guitar Shops, Pawnshops, Craigslist, Pennysaver...anywhere you can find something you might want.
Any intro package would be wasting funds for convenience.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 10:55 PM (zH8zh)
Sounds pretty much like a run-of-the-mill Keith Jarrett concert to me. :-)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 29, 2013 10:56 PM (n/+FT)
Are you a fan? Don't meet many of them around these days.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 30, 2013 02:36 AM (n/+FT)
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Makes all the hard stuff look so easy, and sounds so great.
I have a book on the Ray Brown bass method but it has always just kicked my ass. I don't play upright bass so I don't need the cool thumb techniques, but just trying to get some of his exercises smooth is a bitch even on a fretted bass.
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 10:56 PM (PlzOe)
Sounds pretty much like a run-of-the-mill Keith Jarrett concert to me
Only if there's a lot of moaning.
Posted by: garrett at October 29, 2013 10:57 PM (zH8zh)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 01:53 AM (FMbng)
Are you using internet explorer?
Posted by: buzzion at October 29, 2013 10:57 PM (LI48c)
Posted by: Piercello at October 30, 2013 02:47 AM (P4dpU)
dude. No shit?
I don't wanna get all mushy here but from my front row seat when I saw him I literally lost my breath. He played this and the entire world stopped:
http://tinyurl.com/kupz6ej
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 10:59 PM (x3YFz)
Hadn't thought about the Squier option. Back when I originally became interested in guitars, Squiers didn't have all that great a reputation -- say, around the mid-to-late 80's. But, I have been reading good things about them on the 'net tonight.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 29, 2013 11:01 PM (m0h0I)
Anybody got any suggestions for something that would be a good, affordable starter electric/amp combo that I could plausibly use to play just about anything? I'd like something around the $500, or less if possible.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 30, 2013 02:45 AM (m0h0I)
Tall order. A good les paul is pricey. Gibson does make some entry level ones that are no frills that you can probably find for $500 used, but they have a minimal finish on them. The upside is gibson only has one level of hardware and electrics and its used on everything from cheapest to most expensive, so anything you get will have good stuff. You DO want to stay with stuff made in the 90's up to the mid 2000's, because in the last few years they started doing really stupid shit with their wiring. The pots are mounted to a circuit board and the pickups literally plug into the board. It can all be retro fitted to the traditional style, but its better to stay away from that if possible to keep the costs down. There are some nice teles out there cheap, but you aren't doing metal with those unless you do a pickup swap. There are a ton of different amps out there. If you want to cover a lot of ground cheap you might want to look into a modeling amp, you can get a decent one for $2-300. Vox seems to make a nice one that has an actual tube preamp, and there is line 6. The modeling amps have a ton of onboard effects. I generally would stay away from "starter" combos since most is overseas junk.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 11:01 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Piercello at October 29, 2013 11:05 PM (P4dpU)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 29, 2013 11:08 PM (m0h0I)
Hadn't thought about the Squier option. Back when I originally became interested in guitars, Squiers didn't have all that great a reputation -- say, around the mid-to-late 80's. But, I have been reading good things about them on the 'net tonight.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 30, 2013 03:01 AM
I can't give you particularly good advice for economy LP's... Epiphone, perhaps? I've heard decent work with those, but haven't played one. The gibson guys can probably steer you in the right direction for a les paul econmy/copy.
As for Squiers. They're actually pretty fucking good. For the price, anyway. I've no complaints about them. In fact, I've played Squiers that were as good as, if not better than, actual modern Fender classic reissues. They were always pretty good, but back during the period you're talking about, 60's and 70's teles were easier to come by and cheaper, even for the time. So, Squiers looked poor in such company. They're economy fenders, but, they'll do the job and I suspect may actually possess the slimmest margin of quality between a economy model/copy and the original, that I've come across. For the $$$...
...They rock.
Posted by: otho at October 29, 2013 11:10 PM (9gNQd)
Not a poor me post, bear with me here. We all have to deal with this shit.
In the vein of the discussion of music we've had here tonight; I deal with it by taking 10 minutes a week and put in my earphones and click play on Joshua Bell's O mio babbino caro.
When I do it, I turn off my brain. I don't think. I just listen to every note.
Is what it is. Of course one of my parrots invariably interrupts me by landing on my head and asking for a peanut, but that's ok.
Posted by: tangonine at October 29, 2013 11:13 PM (x3YFz)
The power door lock on my '94 Honda Accord wagon has recently started making a grinding gear noise when I lock the driver's door. I paid about $300 to have a similar problem fixed a while back, but I'm feeling cheap these days....so I found a video online (http://tinyurl.com/mlf58r2) and went to town. Got the old part extracted and can get a replacement at Pep Boys for $75. Getting the new part attached is for tomorrow after 11 am (part was in Union City and the bay area truck cycles about then).
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 11:14 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 11:14 PM (FMbng)
Essentially, I'm looking for bang-for-the-buck and versatility. New or gently used. I'll definitely look into the Vox amps. That sounds like something I could get a lot out of.
Thanks!
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 29, 2013 11:16 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 11:16 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 11:20 PM (3OFnS)
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 11:20 PM (T1005)
for example this one on ebay --
http://preview.tinyurl.com/myqd43v
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 11:21 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: model_1066 at October 29, 2013 11:21 PM (3OFnS)
@ 667 [Berserker] -- Just googled the Highway 1 and I really like it! I've always been a fan of natural and satin finishes on guitars. Though, when it comes to Les Pauls, I love this one:
http://is.gd/Amkj5j
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 29, 2013 11:25 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: bill-o at October 29, 2013 11:26 PM (AWwDY)
Posted by: bill-o at October 30, 2013 03:28 AM (AWwDY)
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pixy never takes them very far. there's a huge stash of them under the bed.
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 11:30 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: bill-o at October 29, 2013 11:31 PM (AWwDY)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 29, 2013 11:31 PM (xz0nG)
Posted by: cthulhu
Good luck
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 30, 2013 03:31 AM (xz0nG)
It seriously doesn't look that bad. When I get the new part, there's a blind waving-around-and hooking-in dealio, then three screws, and it's done. Then there's reassembling the door......
Posted by: cthulhu at October 29, 2013 11:36 PM (T1005)
I guess I'm one of the few people who don't feel passionately about the Gibson vs. Fender rivalry. I am partial to the Les Paul, but I have guitar heroes who use both. I also like Strats, but for some reason, I just like the Telecaster a little better. But, then, I guess it depends on what you're using them for.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 29, 2013 11:36 PM (m0h0I)
http://is.gd/Amkj5j
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 30, 2013 03:25 AM (m0h0I)
yeah thats a nice les paul. The highway 1 guitars were pretty damn cool for the money. I have a few of the highway 1 strats and they have a nice vibe to them. The best part is that its a USA fender. I threw a duncan hotrail pickup in one of them and the fucker just flat out screams with it. It will do hendrix to iron maiden.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 11:37 PM (FMbng)
But the despair just laid my out flat today. If I could sleep around the clock I would have. Instead, I spent much of the day lying in darkness wishing I could just switch my mind off. Although I hate that I've never had anything like a long term significant other, at times like this I have to be glad I'm not a burden on any kids. I read about people who went through terrible suffering and loss but endured to reach some goal or just not be a parasite and I feel like I've failed utterly in being a functional person.
There is my bit of cheer for the day.
Posted by: Epobirs at October 29, 2013 11:39 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 29, 2013 11:43 PM (xz0nG)
I guess I'm one of the few people who don't feel passionately about the Gibson vs. Fender rivalry. I am partial to the Les Paul, but I have guitar heroes who use both. I also like Strats, but for some reason, I just like the Telecaster a little better. But, then, I guess it depends on what you're using them for.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 30, 2013 03:36 AM (m0h0I)
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Oddly enough I have never played with anyone that shreds with one. Right now I am playing with 2 different groups where a player uses one. One guy sounds like a cross between JJ Cale and Chris Isaak, and the other guy plays a lot of stuff that sounds like Steve Stills with a jazz touch. Go figger.
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 11:44 PM (PlzOe)
For the time being, I'm really looking for versatility. But, if I ever get around to a "shredder" (for which I'll first have to learn to shred), I'll go for something that looks more the part, like an Explorer body style, or something like a Schecter.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 29, 2013 11:48 PM (m0h0I)
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Wow. I am very sorry for your pain. How worried about you should we be?
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 11:48 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 29, 2013 11:51 PM (xz0nG)
Posted by: jc
Lots of ladies crushing the barricades?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 30, 2013 03:51 AM (xz0nG)
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Never sober enough to be the slightest bit appealing.
Posted by: jc at October 29, 2013 11:52 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Epobirs at October 30, 2013 03:39 AM (kcfmt)
Sorry Epobirs. It sucks. get some vitamin D drops. Life is not suppose to be great every single day. How old are you? download a comedy from xxxbay. Laughing promotes good stuff in your body. (and don't even say porn will too but we all know it does but its crazy addictive and not healthy in large doses)
Sleep until you wake up with the light coming into your room naturally. I get SAD really bad and it takes real effort to get past it in winter. At least you are aware - don't be hard on yourself.
Get a Halloween costume (or make one) and give out candy on Halloween . sounds stupid but kids make you laugh - they don't get caught up in mind shit. Remember what made you happy when you were a child - your brain doesn't know time it will be where you think you are in your mind. Oh, and hypnosis - Mckenna is pretty mainstream. It does work.
Posted by: johnwas at October 29, 2013 11:54 PM (xR46S)
Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 11:55 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 29, 2013 11:56 PM (xz0nG)
I certainly wish you the best.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 29, 2013 11:59 PM (m0h0I)
For the time being, I'm really looking for versatility. But, if I ever get around to a "shredder" (for which I'll first have to learn to shred), I'll go for something that looks more the part, like an Explorer body style, or something like a Schecter.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 30, 2013 03:48 AM (m0h0I)
Actually no. The strats seem to be priced around the same. If you look on ebay the bastards are asking more for the tele it seems, but thats ebay. My cheapest highway 1 was $430 used, and the most expensive was $600 because it was limited edition one. A few were $500. The prices do vary because some assholes think they got the golden key to the crapper, but they can be had for $500.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 29, 2013 11:59 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Jean at October 30, 2013 12:00 AM (CMlD4)
I've had people try to talk me out of it, and I'm like, "dude -- it's a phobia; I know it's irrational!"
I generally don't breathe during the stick. This freaks some lab techs out, but I've had decades of untreated sleep apnea and did SCUBA and free diving as a hobby -- my blood O2 level can explore the north 40 and take a detour for some scenery before it's a problem.....and even if there were a problem, it's best if they get the necessary sample before waking me.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 30, 2013 12:06 AM (T1005)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 30, 2013 12:07 AM (xz0nG)
Posted by: Tejano Dave at October 30, 2013 12:07 AM (qRD8F)
Posted by: Jean at October 30, 2013 03:55 AM (CMlD4)
I've driven it already (to the auto parts store) with the door disassembled and the part extracted. It's going to be a pain-in-the-ass getting the new widget back in there, but I know the drill.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 30, 2013 12:11 AM (T1005)
Posted by: Tejano Dave at October 30, 2013 12:11 AM (qRD8F)
I figure I'll stumble upon a hell of a deal soon enough. Probably right after I get a fairly decent deal and jump on it.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 30, 2013 12:13 AM (m0h0I)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 30, 2013 12:16 AM (m0h0I)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 30, 2013 12:20 AM (xz0nG)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOPu0_YWhw
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 02:48 AM (FMbng)
Reaffirms my total contempt for all of humanity.
Posted by: tangonine at October 30, 2013 12:24 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 12:32 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Jean at October 30, 2013 12:36 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 30, 2013 04:32 AM
That'd be about the going price for one 2nd hand. Not a bad deal though. Won't beat an old SG, but... for only $400, who's complaining?
Posted by: otho at October 30, 2013 12:46 AM (9gNQd)
DamnedDirtyRino, are you anywhere near Houston? I've been thinking about it and I don't really use that Strat/Line 6 rig. I have a lot of gear. I would be willing to loan it to you and if you like it I'll throw in a tweed case (Road Runner I think), old school Fender strap and a cord and still get you in under your budget. The Strat is black and I put a black scratch plate on it. Good looking guitar. Anything for the Horde....
Posted by: Tejano Dave (AKA Mr. Dave) at October 30, 2013 12:48 AM (qRD8F)
Posted by: otho at October 30, 2013 12:51 AM (9gNQd)
Posted by: Tejano Dave (AKA Mr. Dave) at October 30, 2013 12:56 AM (qRD8F)
Posted by: otho at October 30, 2013 01:02 AM (9gNQd)
Every man on the planet after watching this video is thinking the same thing I'm thinkin'
http://tinyurl.com/m9r98qv
Give me 2 weeks and full team support and they're MINE.
Posted by: tangonine at October 30, 2013 01:04 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: tangonine at October 30, 2013 01:08 AM (x3YFz)
otho, Sly Stone says different strokes for different folks.
I buzz a lot of notes on a Strat that I hit clean on the LP. That Alan Haynes guy I told you about plays finger style on a Strat and I have no idea how he does it.
Posted by: Tejano Dave (AKA Mr. Dave) at October 30, 2013 01:11 AM (qRD8F)
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But Larry Graham sez thump thump pop pop thump thump thump pop.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ptrc2cWRxU
Posted by: jc at October 30, 2013 01:41 AM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Epobirs at October 30, 2013 02:18 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2013 02:35 AM (qyfb5)
Just reading a book can be a bummer if you can't stop your brain from looking at it wrong. I tried starting a Neil Gaiman novel tonight, 'The Ocean At The End of the Lane.' Early on the narrator mentions that nobody came to his seventh birthday party, as the first hint he didn't fit in as a child. I found that devastating. The one bright spot is that his parents present him with a kitten that he becomes deeply attached to but it is killed a month later by a taxi delivering a new lodger to his parents' home.
I understand these traumas were needed to create the setting for the events that followed but I felt I'd gone through the emotional wringer just a few pages in. Nobody was marched off to a concentration camp or endured a horrible medical condition but still, it can be rough going if the reader is feeling vulnerable.
Worse, when it comes to non-fiction, I cannot avert my eyes from the truth of unpleasant matters. It's like trying to ignore one of Monty's DOOM posts.
Work helps. Knowing there is another paycheck coming and just exerting oneself to some useful effect that tires one enough to go to sleep because you need it rather than boredom.
Posted by: Epobirs at October 30, 2013 03:03 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: EROWMER at October 30, 2013 04:08 AM (OONaw)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 30, 2013 04:33 AM (N/cFh)
That would be one hell of a nice rig to have, though.
The Horde is a hell of a great bunch.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 30, 2013 08:25 AM (m0h0I)
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