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November 19, 2013

Overnight Open Thread (11-19-2013)
— Maetenloch

Doesn't like to be told to calm down. Nor would a prudent male ever say this while within striking distance. Let Kipling's warning guide your heart and your big mouth.

Oh and my usual ban on poetry is lifted for this evening.

    WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
    He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
    But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
    When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
    He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
    But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

    When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
    They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
    'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

    Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
    For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
    But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other's tale-
    The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

    Man, a bear in most relations-worm and savage otherwise,-
    Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
    Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
    To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

    Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
    To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
    Mirth obscene diverts his anger-Doubt and Pity oft perplex
    Him in dealing with an issue-to the scandal of The Sex!

    But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
    Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
    And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
    The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

    She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
    May not deal in doubt or pity-must not swerve for fact or jest.
    These be purely male diversions-not in these her honour dwells-
    She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

    She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
    As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
    And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
    Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

    She is wedded to convictions-in default of grosser ties;
    Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!-
    He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
    Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

    Unprovoked and awful charges-even so the she-bear fights,
    Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons-even so the cobra bites,
    Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
    And the victim writhes in anguish-like the Jesuit with the squaw!

    So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
    With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
    Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
    To some God of Abstract Justice-which no woman understands.

    And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
    Must command but may not govern-shall enthral but not enslave him.
    And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
    That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.
-- Rudyard Kipling, 1911

Comment of the Yester-Day

Because I forgot to include it in last night's ONT.

137 My ex-wife ran from the cops during a traffic stop.
The cop chased her to our home and there he asked her WTF she was thinking.

She said she thought she could not get a ticket if she got home first. You know, like hiding from a vampire in a church.

In the end the cop issued no ticket and wished me luck.
Posted by: eman at November 18, 2013 03:17 PM (NVDqM)

Op-Eds as Social Positioning: or, I'm Better than Those Hicks!

Explaining why James McAuley was driven to indict his hometown and relatives in the assassination of JFK. Christopher Caldwell had his type's number over a decade ago:

At some point, Democrats became the party of small-town people who think they're too big for their small towns. It is hard to say how it happened: Perhaps it is that Republicans' primary appeal is to something small-towners take for granted (tradition), while Democrats' is to something that small-towners are condemned for lacking (diversity). Both appeals can be effective, but it is only the latter that incites people to repudiate the culture in which they grew up. Perhaps it is that at universities-through which pass all small-town people aiming to climb to a higher social class-Democratic party affiliation is the sine qua non of being taken for a serious, non-hayseed human being.

For these people, liberalism is not a belief at all. No, it's something more important: a badge of certain social aspirations. That is why the laments of the small-town leftists get voiced with such intemperance and desperation. As if those who voice them are fighting off the nagging thought: If the Republicans aren't particularly evil, then maybe I'm not particularly special.

Instapundit: The Incandescent Light Bulb Era Ends in January

Uh huh. I was happy with the old ones. I was initially enthusiastic about CFLs, but they disappointed - especially in terms of lifespan. I've got a couple of expensive LED bulbs from a few years back that are okay. I've ordered some of the CREE bulbs that readers seem to like, and I'll report on them soon. Or you can just stock up on incandescents while you still can, and wait until the alternatives improve. That's what I did, since the Insta-Wife strongly prefers incandescents.

This pretty much mirrors my own experience. I've given up on CFLs for anywhere where I need regular good illumination and now use incandescent bulbs from my stash or LED bulbs. I've had pretty good luck with these 60W equiv CREE LED lights.

VDH: Bread and Circuses America

I woke up one morning not long ago, and noticed that the world that I was born into no longer exists. It was as if I had once lived in Republican Italy, took a nap, and awoke to the Roman Empire, AD 200.
...What happened? The problem was not that the U.S. ran out of oil and gas, good farmland, minerals, or timber. We still have ideas and the Constitution. We were not wiped out by disease. Nor did we lost the scientific expertise of our predecessors through a new Dark Age. America was not invaded by Vandals and Goths, who ignored the upkeep of aqueducts and plundered civic buildings. Nor did we reach the end of history, with nothing to do anymore. Our roadways are still not all that safe or all that clean. Our factories are not running at full capacity.

So what is turning us into a social pyramid, with an elite pointed capstone and a broad foundation of poor, as the middle in-between narrows toward the top? You know the usual tune: postindustrial economies value new Eloi expertise, not Morlock brawn. Globalization outsourced jobs. Expectations grew even faster than reality, etc.

Maybe, maybe not.
I think three other reasons explain the present anomaly of our bread-and-circuses culture.

OMFG - US NAVY: Hackers 'Jumping The Air Gap' Would 'Disrupt The World Balance Of Power'!!!

Or not. It turns out that when you read article, the supposed threat boils down to infected USB sticks being inserted into isolated systems (a well known issue - just ask the Iranians) and 'sonic' viruses. Now the idea of a 'sonic' virus which can send information from one computer to another and possibly infect them using ultrasonic speaker sounds and microphones is something new - mostly based on the report of a single security consultant. This caused a big kerfuffle on the internet a few weeks ago but since then there's been quite a bit of skepticism towards the report.

Now conceivably you could write a virus that could communicate with another already compromised system if you had a pretty good idea of what hardware was installed on it. But I'm about 99.4% sure that there's no way to write a generic virus that could infect another computer system just using sound. But this seems to be the fear-du-jour so whenever you see the term 'sound virus' just replace it with 'demon spirits' and it'll make the article more entertaining while preserving its truthiness.

News You Can Use: How to Deep-fry Your Entire Thanksgiving Meal

You know you want to - so why not just cut to the chase and get to where you've been heading anyway.

Everything is Better with Yakety Sax

Beavis and Butthead and the Skin Trade

Carol Burnett Does Star Trek

From her short-lived 1991 show. "Captain, you've got boobies."

The AoSHQ group. Yeah.

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Posted by: Maetenloch at 06:22 PM | Comments (416)
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1 First?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:22 PM (0FSuD)

2 oy

Posted by: conanthelibertarian at November 19, 2013 06:22 PM (UxgYy)

3 Thanks Maet!

Posted by: .87c at November 19, 2013 06:23 PM (qZPXs)

4 Tonight's QRS-3 launch from Wallops Island: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYzzY9HbBmo

Posted by: rickl at November 19, 2013 06:24 PM (sdi6R)

5 'Diversity' means nothing but 'too many white men.'

Posted by: --- at November 19, 2013 06:24 PM (MMC8r)

6 Howdy, howdy!

Just fair warning -- if I seem a bit cranked-out-of-shape tonight, it's because I'm doing massive amounts of Continuing Professional Education to maintain my CPA......and 90% of it is a bunch of statist overreaching nonsense. It ain't doin' my blood pressure any favors.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 06:25 PM (T1005)

7 Happy-ish Tuesday Night, all y'all ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 19, 2013 06:25 PM (jdRXP)

8 *collapses into Maet's arms sobbing*

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 19, 2013 06:26 PM (oFCZn)

9 incandescent light bulbs going on my list. Though I already have a bunch, so I don't know where I am going to put more. But I can't stand the harsh light bulbs. Or the light bulbs that don't actually illuminate anything. They really do mean to send us back to the "dark" ages.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 06:27 PM (RZ8pf)

10 "Or you can just stock up on incandescents while you still can, and wait until the alternatives improve. That's what I did, since the Insta-Wife strongly prefers incandescents."

This exercise in haughtily dictating to ordinary citizens what they may use for illumination has been brought to you courtesy of the Republican Party.

A party which then was baffled when a shit-ton of said citizens, who had simply wanted to be left alone to make their own choices, then made the choice to leave the party alone at the ballot box on Election Day.

Thanks again, George W. Bush! Heckuva job, Fred Upton!

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 06:27 PM (gqT4g)

11 Whew, so glad to be out of that "racist" thread below.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 06:27 PM (RZ8pf)

12 Deep breaths, elder god ... deeeeeeeeeep, relaxing breaths ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 19, 2013 06:28 PM (jdRXP)

13 Like Hermes, I am a psychopompus.

Posted by: Slack jawed yokel, Ph. D. at November 19, 2013 06:29 PM (R6JT1)

14 eman's comment is hysterical! Thanks for reposting it Maet....I missed it yesterday. Glad she's your Ex, eman.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 19, 2013 06:29 PM (bCEmE)

15 The cow moose is arguably the deadliest creature in the Northern forest. A bull is far better equipped to put a hurt on you. The cow (with calf) is far more motivated.

Posted by: fluffy at November 19, 2013 06:29 PM (0lU54)

16 Whew, so glad to be out of that "racist" thread below. Crap. I left my pants down there. Oh well.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 19, 2013 06:29 PM (QupBk)

HP Lovecraft's lesser known horror story "cthulhu and the gods of continuing education"

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 06:29 PM (RZ8pf)

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19 toby928, were your pants racist?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 06:30 PM (RZ8pf)

20 Evening morons. Healthy baby on ultrasound today for Mrs. Crank's birthday! Drinks all around, except for her of course.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 19, 2013 06:30 PM (R+XDI)

21 g'evevin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 19, 2013 06:31 PM (JMmQ9)

22 'sup, bitchez?

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 06:31 PM (8lmkt)

23 were your pants racist? They were a bit ... pale.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 19, 2013 06:31 PM (QupBk)

24 I wonder how much longer eman was married after that epic quote.

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 06:31 PM (doBIb)

25 OMG, wait, Crank, you are an expectant father? OMG, doing the snoopy dance for you, my darling friend!!!!

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 06:31 PM (8lmkt)

26 Hey, everyone!

Posted by: Kalneva at November 19, 2013 06:32 PM (XyrkB)

27 Happy thoughts and best wishes, Conservative Crank's iPhone ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 19, 2013 06:32 PM (jdRXP)

28 Hey, Kalneva! xoxo

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 06:32 PM (8lmkt)

29 Bought one of those Cree bulbs. It's sucks donkey dick and gives off an unnatural light. And it was 20x more expensive than my old light.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 06:33 PM (ZPrif)

30 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 06:33 PM (JawqV)

31 The Congressional Black Caucus never gets called out for lack of 'diversity.'

Posted by: --- at November 19, 2013 06:33 PM (MMC8r)

32 I am still enjoying fucking the Patriots last night. The cheaters get cheated back, fuck those guys and Brady.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:33 PM (0FSuD)

33 Happy Birthday, Frau Crank!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 06:33 PM (T1005)

34 Oh, and I was supposed to be amazed it was only 20x more expensive. Like it was the fucking iPhone of light bulbs.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 06:33 PM (ZPrif)

35 The Congressional Black Caucus never gets called out for lack of 'diversity.'

Posted by: --- at November 19, 2013 10:33 PM (MMC8r)

You need to send me a new keyboard. For my Mac. The little cool kind. Otherwise, totes golf claps!!

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 06:34 PM (8lmkt)

36 29 Bought one of those Cree bulbs. It's sucks donkey dick and gives off an unnatural light. And it was 20x more expensive than my old light. Yes they are expensive. But they're nice and bright.

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 06:34 PM (doBIb)

37 Ahhhh. Nothing I like better then a good ol' smelly ONT.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 06:34 PM (aDwsi)

38 Evenin' Blanco Basura...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 19, 2013 06:35 PM (jdRXP)

39 Evening, 'rons and 'ettes. Can't think of a better place to procrastinate on my deadline than here with youse in my internetz and a Stone IPA by my side. I'm a huge Kipling fan, with dogs named after two Jungle Book characters. And I'm guessing that Kipling knew better than to tell Mrs. Kipling "calm down."

Posted by: jakeman at November 19, 2013 06:35 PM (vH4YP)

40 Light blubs? I bought three cases of 100W last year and two cases of 75W, plus enough spotlights for 10 years. EAT ME!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:35 PM (0FSuD)

41 Yes they are expensive. But they're nice and bright.

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 10:34 PM (doBIb)

Give it time, buddy, you will come to appreciate a low light. Just sayin'

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 06:35 PM (8lmkt)

42 20. Congratulations !!

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at November 19, 2013 06:36 PM (1ThpN)

43 Transitioning now from beer to White Russians. Woot.

Posted by: rickl at November 19, 2013 06:36 PM (sdi6R)

44 BRB...

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 19, 2013 06:36 PM (JMmQ9)

45 Crank, is this your first? I am beside myself with excitement for you!!!

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 06:36 PM (8lmkt)

46
Back in 2007, Congress and President Bush had the bright idea to halt the manufacturing, importation, and sale of inefficient incandescent lighting as of January 1st, 2014.

Thanks W. Thanks Fred. Take a bow.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 19, 2013 06:37 PM (kdS6q)

47 Victor Davis Hanson, as usual, Brings It.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at November 19, 2013 06:37 PM (SREVj)

48 Neither does the NBA. To the left "Diversity" just means non-white. So an NBA team with a roster of all American black dudes is 100% diverse, but an NHL team with white guys from 10 different countries speaking 10 different languages has zero diversity and should be ashamed of their non-diverse selves.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 06:37 PM (ZPrif)

49 What was the phrase, "A scorned..."? I have 5 sisters, you do not make them mad unless you want to be on the receiving end of a shitstorm you can't evade. The female of the species is going to turn on Obamacare like a pissed off cottonmouth because he's literally taken what they had and made it more expensive or no longer available. Sucks to be a Democrat in '14 and '16.

Posted by: Gmac - pondering the coming implosion, hoping its the goverment at November 19, 2013 06:38 PM (IanLz)

50 Give it time, buddy, you will come to appreciate a low light. Just sayin' I put them outside.

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 06:38 PM (doBIb)

51 43 Transitioning now from beer to White Russians. Woot. Posted by: rickl at November 19, 2013 10:36 PM (sdi6R) STEADY. That's a BAD hangover.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:38 PM (0FSuD)

52
Bought one of those Cree bulbs. It's sucks donkey dick and gives off an unnatural light.

Really? Let me get my credit card...

Posted by: Frances the Talking Mule

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 19, 2013 06:38 PM (kdS6q)

53 :waves hi: Hello racists! Aren't ya gonna say howdy? JFK was killed by by right wing hate. Texas has never changed.

Posted by: Jade East at November 19, 2013 06:38 PM (HA2Ey)

54 One of the regulars here works for CREE. I've bought their modules and they are the best in the commercial (none mil-spec or sailboat range)

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 06:39 PM (CMlD4)

55 Hello, Miss Adriane. How's the killer cactus?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 06:39 PM (JawqV)

56 help me bro!

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 06:40 PM (SHH+J)

57 One of the regulars here works for CREE. GGE.

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 06:40 PM (doBIb)

58 The female of the species is going to turn on Obamacare like a pissed off cottonmouth because he's literally taken what they had and made it more expensive or no longer available Sucks to be a Democrat in '14 and '16. Excellent! a pissed of cottonmouth will chase your ass down and BITE YOU!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:40 PM (0FSuD)

59

We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at November 19, 2013 06:40 PM (Pr6hk)

60 Funny thing is, JFK would have been a moderate RINO today

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 06:40 PM (CMlD4)

61 Congrats, Crank. I hate swirly bulbs. My husband for some bizarre reason likes them. They're too bright. I think I may be getting ill. Awesome.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at November 19, 2013 06:40 PM (DoZD+)

62 Burma Shave

Posted by: Jack Benny at November 19, 2013 06:40 PM (e8kgV)

63 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at November 19, 2013 10:40 PM (Pr6hk)

You know we're all sick of your shit, right?

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 06:40 PM (8lmkt)

64 In a sane world, a few "doses" of lead would end the "Knockout Game" damn quick. Alas, it would only take about 20 nanoseconds after the first punk was dropped before the cries of "racism" would erupt from the usual suspects. Sowell: A Very Dangerous Game http://tinyurl.com/k2j3nv2

Posted by: Thrawn at November 19, 2013 06:41 PM (ZyqBH)

65 53 :waves hi: Hello racists! Aren't ya gonna say howdy? JFK was killed by by right wing hate. Texas has never changed. Posted by: Jade East at November 19, 2013 10:38 PM (HA2Ey) Cuba, home of Oswald and all the right wing hate in the country. Got it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:41 PM (0FSuD)

66 I didn't have a problem with the brightness of the Cree bulb, just the unnatural color. I actually like the idea of LED bulbs. And I'm sure the market would have eventually led me to buy them. Kinda pissed about being forced to buy them or CFLs. Where's the big gain? Market adoption is accelerated a few years at a huge expense while we are forced to buy expensive, inferior light bulbs. Only beneficiary I see are companies like Cree. Seems like standard corruption.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 06:41 PM (ZPrif)

67 "The Female of the Spices" was the name of band I played in, in college. Everybody thought we were c*cksucking f*gs. It was the lowest point of my life.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at November 19, 2013 06:41 PM (cgH9o)

68 a pissed of cottonmouth Totally harshes my buzz when that happens, dood.

Posted by: Preznit Choom at November 19, 2013 06:42 PM (vH4YP)

69 I hope so.

Posted by: John McCain at November 19, 2013 06:42 PM (Pr6hk)

70 Hey, how bout them Patriots? CHOKE!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:42 PM (0FSuD)

71 The new light bulbs suck Wife should be calm in a fight Obama's still great??!?!??

Posted by: ONT Haiku at November 19, 2013 06:42 PM (1ThpN)

72 Heavy duty incandecent bulbs are exempt from the current regs. You can buy 100w heavy duty incandecents today and in January the 535 fuckers are less smart than a box of rocks

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 06:43 PM (SHH+J)

73 I know Obama's omission of "Under God" was discussed here earlier, and I found a interesting take on it at Conservative Treehouse http:// tinyurl. com/lvvwxe3 :

"White House spokesman Jay Carney on Tuesday gave a simple explanation for the reading.

Â“He [Obama] read the version of the address that Ken Burns provided,Â” he said, noting that Burns is a Â“noted Civil War scholar.Â”

Only thereÂ’s something weird about that Carney explanation. Something that totally does not make sense.

What Carney is saying would require Producer Ken Burns to have given Obama a different version of the speech than he gave to all of the participants in his production.

Because "under God" was only omitted in ObamaÂ’s recitation Â– NOT in Jimmy CarterÂ’s, George HW BushÂ’s, Bill ClintonÂ’s or George W. BushÂ’s version; all of whom participated in the production by reading the exact same address.

So is it believable the guy putting the production together, Ken Burns, would give every President a copy, the same copy; Â…Â… except, for some reason, give President Obama a different copy Â– a totally different copy Â– the only copy that omits Â“GodÂ”?"

So, in other words, Ken Burns is under the bus! It's ALWAYS someone else's fault.

What's interesting to me is that now the people truly don't like Obama, this kind of thing will get more attention. Once the last straw breaks the camel's back, everything that might've gotten a pass is now bigger news.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 19, 2013 06:43 PM (KL49F)

74 Undercover Video Shows Obamacare Navigators Urging Applicant to Lie, Defraud Taxpayers

Posted by: Project Veritas at November 19, 2013 06:43 PM (e8kgV)

75 72 Heavy duty incandecent bulbs are exempt from the current regs. You can buy 100w heavy duty incandecents today and in January Where? I can not find any. Use to have them at beach house.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:44 PM (0FSuD)

76 Speaking of light bulbs, I went to the local Target and *every* light bulb package, either CFL or incandescent, was GE. If I could have found any bulbs in my first stop, I would have avoided lining Immelt's fat welfare pockets.

Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2013 06:44 PM (fETNt)

77 I saw it on the Smithsonian channel. Dallas was/is a seething cauldron of Right Wingism. Oswald was the perfect foil.

Posted by: Jade East at November 19, 2013 06:44 PM (HA2Ey)

78 Hey, how bout them Patriots?

CHOKE!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 10:42 PM (0FSuD)

I will rip off your head and shit down your neck. Enough with that, okay? Otherwise, I consider you a valued member of moronnation and hope you are well and happy.

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 06:44 PM (8lmkt)

79 Note to self: Back to Lowes this weekend for more bulbs, screaming FUCK YOU inside my head. My bet is that 99% of my acquaintance has no idea about the Jan 1 phase out. Only crazy wingnuts pay attention to these daily outrages. Bah.

Posted by: goldilocks at November 19, 2013 06:44 PM (FIMVX)

80 James O'Keefe ‏@JamesOKeefeIII
Might want to cancel your plans tomorrow, @Sebelius. It's going to be a busy day. @Project_Veritas

Posted by: Project Veritas at November 19, 2013 06:44 PM (e8kgV)

81 63 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at November 19, 2013 10:40 PM (Pr6hk)

You know we're all sick of your shit, right?

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 10:40 PM (8lmkt)

*∞

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 06:45 PM (T1005)

82 new and fresh= lightbulb nazi

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 06:45 PM (SHH+J)

83 Given the price declines LED bulbs will no doubt see in the next decade, forcing early adoption will eat up any saving in energy bills with bulb expense. Consumer won't see any advantage, only the bulb manufacturer. If the consumer saw an advantage they would already be buying the new bulbs. Forcing people to adopt marginally better tech is stupid.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 06:45 PM (ZPrif)

84 Take care of a sonic virus with a sonic screwdriver.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 19, 2013 06:46 PM (ozktE)

85 80 James O'Keefe ‏@JamesOKeefeIII Might want to cancel your plans tomorrow, @Sebelius. It's going to be a busy day. @Project_Veritas Posted by: Project Veritas at November 19, 2013 10:44 PM (e8kgV) --Likey!

Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2013 06:46 PM (fETNt)

86 If I ever told Mrs. YIKES to clam down. I better be in a bunker five miles underground, on another planet, in a different solar system in another galaxy far, far away.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 19, 2013 06:46 PM (mETGQ)

87 I keep wondering when Jay Carney is going to jump ship. He must be getting a butt load of money for the daily lying he does. What a weasel.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at November 19, 2013 06:46 PM (DoZD+)

"For the female of the species is more deadly than the male."

We can think of a few exceptions.

Posted by: Ted Bundy and Richard Speck at November 19, 2013 06:46 PM (R3gO3)

89
We have enough incandescent lights of various wattage to last longer than I will.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 19, 2013 06:47 PM (SAMxH)

90 So is James O'Keefe commenting here now???

Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2013 06:47 PM (fETNt)

91 80 James O'Keefe ‏@JamesOKeefeIII Might want to cancel your plans tomorrow, @Sebelius. It's going to be a busy day. @Project_Veritas Posted by: Project Veritas at November 19, 2013 10:44 PM (e8kgV) Oooooooooooooooh!

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 19, 2013 06:47 PM (bCEmE)

92 Alan Tudyk is just awesome. I will watch almost anything he's in. Same with Stanley Tucci.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 19, 2013 06:47 PM (Nsoq9)

93 @78 Sorry, Peaches. After the Super Bowl/titty bowl, we Panther's fans have no use for the Patriots. Now Brady's wife? Another story. I still don't know how we got that penalty picked up, but I put $100 in the fund for that guy.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:47 PM (0FSuD)

94 I've only got my own experience to go on with this, but, it seems that what cause cfl's to have short life is frequent on/off cycles. Meaning if a cfl bulb is in a room where you tend to go in and out of a lot and for short periods of time, which means turning the light on and off frequently, like the bathroom, the shorter the life span of the cfl. If it's in a room where you tend to stay for longer periods of time keeping the light on without turning it off, like the living room, the longer they last.

Posted by: booger at November 19, 2013 06:48 PM (xRDdL)

95 Oh? Did the Panthers win last night. Huh..., how about that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 06:48 PM (aDwsi)

96 Yes, this is my first. Due around Father's Day.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 19, 2013 06:48 PM (R+XDI)

97 James O'Keefe ‏@JamesOKeefeIII Might want to cancel your plans tomorrow, @Sebelius. It's going to be a busy day. @Project_Veritas Posted by: Project Veritas at November 19, 2013 10:44 PM (e8kgV) ****** That's just another glitch.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 19, 2013 06:49 PM (mETGQ)

98 95 Oh? Did the Panthers win last night. Huh..., how about that. I am so old, I left in the third quarter. What a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 06:49 PM (0FSuD)

99 66 I actually like the idea of LED bulbs. And I'm sure the market would have eventually led me to buy them. Kinda pissed about being forced to buy them or CFLs. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 10:41 PM (ZPrif) LEDs are definitely the future of lighting, much like transistors replaced vacuum tubes. They're almost there, but not quite yet. In the future, CFLs will be regarded as the 8-track tapes of light bulbs.

Posted by: rickl at November 19, 2013 06:49 PM (sdi6R)

100 Someone should tweet James daily --> Where's Hannah?

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 06:49 PM (CMlD4)

101 I figure that it is the 'ballast' electronics that fail most often.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 06:49 PM (aDwsi)

102 Taxpayers have spent $200 million to establish the network for the Affordable Care Act in Hawaii Â– $53 million on just the Hawaii Health Connector web site development and management alone.

However, so far, just 257 individuals have secured healthcare through the exchange.

Some 113 employers submitted applications though the exchange, but have not yet selected plan.

The current cost breakdown is about $778,000 in federal funds for each individual who successfully signed up for healthcare.

Posted by: Oscar Wilde at November 19, 2013 06:50 PM (e8kgV)

103 Posted by: Project Veritas at November 19, 2013 10:44 PM (e8kgV)

I like O'Keefe's style! Too cool to leave her a tweet like this. Very, very cool. Can't wait for tomorrow

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 19, 2013 06:50 PM (KL49F)

104 95.

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at November 19, 2013 06:50 PM (1ThpN)

105 I have not looked at the spectra of any LED bulbs, but just subjectively, I do not like it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 06:51 PM (aDwsi)

106 Great. They rewrote the auditor's opinion again. It was the same for a gazillion years before my career, changed once midway, and seems like it's been changing annually since about five years ago. It always purports to mean the same thing, but is "clarified" from the former plain-English version.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 06:51 PM (T1005)

107
Speaking of light bulbs, I went to the local Target and *every* light bulb package, either CFL or incandescent, was GE.
Posted by: logprof

You too? I was there on Monday myself and got Kinder Gentlered right in the face. Tacking on some bulbs to this week's Amazon order until the Mexican smuggling netwirks get restocked.

BTW -- here's W's signing speech patting himself on the back for the bulb ban, bio-fuel mandate and electric cars:

http://tinyurl.com/8784k7e

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 19, 2013 06:52 PM (kdS6q)

108 Maet, thanks for linking to Sippican Cottage last night, well actually curse you for linking to it because I spent about 2 hours today reading through all his posts and watching the Unorganized Hitchcock videos.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 06:52 PM (RZ8pf)

109 The Light Bulb Ban was a very good investment by GE. Fascism for fun and profit. And it proves that when GE buys an American politician, they stay bought. It's all about integrity.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 06:52 PM (ZPrif)

110 My wife acknowledges the mercurial, hormonally driven nature of women. It irks her what she sees other women do. Still, I would not tell her, "Calm down"

Posted by: fluffy at November 19, 2013 06:52 PM (0lU54)

111 I've only got my own experience to go on with this, but, it seems that what cause cfl's to have short life is frequent on/off cycles...

Funny, that's what kills incandescent bulbs. So I can pay more for a bulb that dies from the same human activity, but now I have mercury hazard!

Thanks, Mr. Upton!

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 06:52 PM (JawqV)

112 LEDs are definitely the future of lighting, much like transistors replaced vacuum tubes. They're almost there, but not quite yet. In the future, CFLs will be regarded as the 8-track tapes of light bulbs. Posted by: rickl at November 19, 2013 10:49 PM (sdi6R) --The only LEDs I have are a string of Christmas lights. They are great and I like the soft glow. Now sure how LEDs would fare as regular lights; probably best where reading or tight detail is not as necessary.

Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2013 06:54 PM (fETNt)

113 94 I've only got my own experience to go on with this, but, it seems that what cause cfl's to have short life is frequent on/off cycles. Meaning if a cfl bulb is in a room where you tend to go in and out of a lot and for short periods of time, which means turning the light on and off frequently, like the bathroom, the shorter the life span of the cfl. If it's in a room where you tend to stay for longer periods of time keeping the light on without turning it off, like the living room, the longer they last.

Posted by: booger at November 19, 2013 10:48 PM (xRDdL)

Solution: adapt to high-efficiency bulbs by never turning them off.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 06:54 PM (T1005)

114 Problem with LEDs is the unnaturally narrow spectrum of light they emit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 06:55 PM (ZPrif)

115 That Carol Burnett Star Trek skit isn't half-bad, for being the work of JFK's real assassin.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 19, 2013 06:56 PM (7KZod)

116 Tucker and Dale! One of the best. movies. EVA!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 19, 2013 06:57 PM (CA2NO)

117 "If the Republicans aren't particularly evil, then maybe I'm not particularly special."

Quote of the month right there.

Posted by: Dang and his glowing schadenboner at November 19, 2013 06:57 PM (YWXTN)

118 Problem with LEDs is the unnaturally narrow spectrum of light they emit.

Funny, thats usually why I buy them.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 06:57 PM (CMlD4)

119 . a world devoid of meaning emptiness. darkness. pain. each day brings new suffering despair. confusion. misery. always failing expectations withering. fleeting. cowering. The Bicycle Thieves' levity sickens me

Posted by: Wedding Vows at November 19, 2013 06:57 PM (R6JT1)

120 I'm a big fan of the LED bulbs. Casa del Crank has probably on the order of 120 fixtures and I am gradually replacing all the bulbs with LEDs. I can run 6 canister light 65W floods for less juice than just one of the old halogen 65s ran on, useful since my bil and niece seem to have an aversion to turning off lights. Plus, almost all of them at dimmable, so you get the light level you want. Outstanding outdoor lights too, I was blowing a halogen flood every other week, and the LED for twice the price will last for years at about 1/8th the power requirement.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 19, 2013 06:58 PM (R+XDI)

121 Problem with LEDs is the unnaturally narrow spectrum of light they emit. Posted by: Flatbush --------------- Yeah, I simply have trouble 'seeing' with them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 06:58 PM (aDwsi)

122 Shows what I know- I thought this post was about THIS: http://tinyurl.com/6mrwbj

Posted by: DAve at November 19, 2013 06:58 PM (b7yum)

123 Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 10:42 PM (0FSuD) I will rip off your head and shit down your neck. Enough with that, okay? Otherwise, I consider you a valued member of moronnation and hope you are well and happy. Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 10:44 PM this is why here is the only place I feel safe online the sense of community.....

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 19, 2013 06:58 PM (JMmQ9)

124 So watching fox. What is the deal with Dana perinos giant teeth? Are those for real? They seem way too big for her face?

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at November 19, 2013 06:58 PM (1ThpN)

125 Over at the blaze the new vagina shaped soccer stadium in qatar. That's some funny there boyeee.

Posted by: ET at November 19, 2013 06:58 PM (uGlk8)

126 I remember the AFL. It was the last time the Chargers won a championship.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 06:58 PM (V70Uh)

127 Hey y'all.

Posted by: Bomber at November 19, 2013 06:59 PM (JzQ+Q)

128 CBS confirms that casting is underway for a twentysomething female character named Bishop, who is described as "bright, educated, athletic, attractive, fresh-faced, focused and somewhat socially awkward. She has a mysterious mixture of analytic brilliance, fierce determination and idealism. SheÂ’s traveled extensively, but only feels comfortable at home.Â”

Saw the latest episode of NCIS tonight, where this new character was introduced. Absolutely hated it. What the fuck is it with Hollywood?

"Ooh, lets make her a genius, and a martial arts expert capable of beating up a guy twice her size, and an expert shot with a gun, and a brilliant interrogator, and athletic and beautiful and the love interest of every single male on the show!"

"That's too unrealistic. We need to give her some flaws."

"How about we make her socially awkward? But not too much. We'll give her a quirky personality and call it awkward."

"Perfect!"

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 19, 2013 06:59 PM (4OUWV)

129 LEDs would fare as regular lights; probably best where reading or tight detail is not as necessary. Posted by: logprof

I would say the exact opposite, detail task lighting is where LED excel. Ambient, room lighting and outdoor flood lighting are their shortcomings.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 06:59 PM (CMlD4)

130 Funny thing is, JFK would have been a moderate RINO today Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 10:40 PM (CMlD4) That's what was so infuriating about the meme that *Romney* was somehow a radical conservative. He is the second-coming of JFK but with fewer moral failings.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2013 07:00 PM (Pexsc)

131 Bomber - Greetings dude. You must *real* short now?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:00 PM (aDwsi)

132 I'm an asshole. You know haow parents will ask "if you have guns in the house" well fuck yea lady I go guerella and ask if they have CFL's. And if they say yes, then I say my kids can't play with your kids, CFL's are poisen.** ** one CFL will comtaminate per the EPA 6,000 gallons of water, or 3 bulbs in the swimming pool and you have Love Canal

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:00 PM (SHH+J)

133 Holy shit, they killed off Carter on "Person of Interest"!!! Did not see that coming.

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 07:01 PM (doBIb)

134 Bishop,
who is described as "bright, educated, athletic, attractive,
fresh-faced, focused and somewhat socially awkward. She has a mysterious
mixture of analytic brilliance, fierce determination and idealism.
SheÂ’s traveled extensively, but only feels comfortable at home.Â”

and Israeli?

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:01 PM (CMlD4)

135 I would say the exact opposite, detail task lighting is where LED excel. Ambient, room lighting and outdoor flood lighting are their shortcomings. Posted by: Jean ------------------------ There may be an argument there, but I do not see how a restricted spectrum can mean better illumination.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:01 PM (aDwsi)

136 >>> You must *real* short now?

Bagram next week, fly out Dec , US Dec 9, home Dec 11.

Kids still don't know, going to be an early Christmas present.

Posted by: Bomber at November 19, 2013 07:03 PM (JzQ+Q)

137 I bought a package of 4 60w Great Value (walmart house brand) for $1.00. Funny, 40w Sylvania cost $1.24.

Stock up NOW.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:03 PM (V70Uh)

138

Colorado Alex, I gave up on NCIS the episode before Ziva left the show. I couldn't watch her last episode. Yeah, I know it was her doing, but still it pisses me off. Glad I decided to stick with no longer watching it, a new young female character like you describe would just irritate me beyond belief.

I assume the Christmas episode this year will be another "Muslims are awesome, Christians are evil" show, since they seem to be really doubling down on those the past few years.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 07:03 PM (RZ8pf)

139

LED's suck for Christmas lights. No ambience. They are more "dance-club" than Christmas.

Glows, not hoes.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 19, 2013 07:04 PM (lq3Ak)

140 --The only LEDs I have are a string of Christmas lights. They are great and I like the soft glow. Now sure how LEDs would fare as regular lights; probably best where reading or tight detail is not as necessary. Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2013 10:54 PM (fETNt) You think LED Christmas lights have a soft glow?! I think they're harsh as hell. I much prefer the soft yellowish glow of the older lights.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 19, 2013 07:05 PM (bCEmE)

141
Hiya, Bomber. You gotta be short enough to sleep under a postage stamp by now.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 19, 2013 07:05 PM (SAMxH)

142
There's always that old crank Ambrose Bierce, and his definition of "woman" from the Devil's Dictionary.

WOMAN, n.

An animal usually living in the vicinity of Man, and having a rudimentary susceptibility to domestication. It is credited by many of the elder zoologists with a certain vestigial docility acquired in a former state of seclusion, but naturalists of the postsusananthony period, having no knowledge of the seclusion, deny the virtue and declare that such as creation's dawn beheld, it roareth now. The species is the most widely distributed of all beasts of prey, infesting all habitable parts of the globe, from Greeland's spicy mountains to India's moral strand. The popular name (wolfman) is incorrect, for the creature is of the cat kind. The woman is lithe and graceful in its movement, especially the American variety (felis pugnans), is omnivorous and can be taught not to talk.

'sup jackwagons

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 19, 2013 07:05 PM (MBqvE)

143 Bomber - Most excellent.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:05 PM (aDwsi)

144 Carney must be beginning to think, "This shit ain't worth it."

What's he going to do after this gig robs him of all credibility?

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:05 PM (V70Uh)

145 Bomber, so glad to hear you will be home for Christmas with your family! I will keep you in my prayers.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 07:05 PM (RZ8pf)

146 Hi, Horde! Long time, no comment. I have a reason, though...I spent last Tuesday night in the hospital after chest pains and, according to friends, looking spaced out and taking 10-15 seconds to answer a question. The good news is, no heart damage. The bad news is that it's likely I'll have to go in for another angioplasty procedure soon to have another stent put in. I'm just happy to be here, and enjoying the posts here at the HQ. I've stocked up on incandescents myself. I loathe CFLs.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 19, 2013 07:06 PM (5J54Q)

147 I would say the exact opposite, detail task lighting is where LED excel. Ambient, room lighting and outdoor flood lighting are their shortcomings. Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 10:59 PM (CMlD4) --Ah, good to know. I'll have to check out where to get some of them.

Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2013 07:06 PM (fETNt)

148 There may be an argument there, but I do not see how a restricted spectrum can mean better illumination. Posted by: Mike Hammer

It is if you can match the task to spectrum. But, in general the warm LEDs aren't that narrow.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:06 PM (CMlD4)

149 Captain Whitebread, sorry to hear of your recent hospital sojourn and hope your upcoming angioplasty goes smoothly and results in a clean bill of health. You, too will be in my prayers.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 07:07 PM (RZ8pf)

150 Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 11:00 PM (SHH+J)

You are one cryptic muthafucka, but I find myself liking you more and more with each passing week.

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 07:07 PM (8lmkt)

151 Regarding CFLs, the things are a fantastic light source for indoor growing, the low power consumption is just gravy. But I far prefer incandescent for normal usage.

Posted by: mugiwara at November 19, 2013 07:07 PM (hpYnL)

152 Bagram next week, fly out Dec , US Dec 9, home Dec 11. Kids still don't know, going to be an early Christmas present. Posted by: Bomber at November 19, 2013 11:03 PM (JzQ+Q) Yay Bomber!! We'll need video of the surprise.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 19, 2013 07:08 PM (bCEmE)

153 For some examples of the better cree light profiles: http://tinyurl.com/jwwvgjf

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:08 PM (CMlD4)

154 You think LED Christmas lights have a soft glow?! I think they're harsh as hell. I much prefer the soft yellowish glow of the older lights. Posted by: Tami at November 19, 2013 11:05 PM (bCEmE) --From a distance, LEDs seem softer to me. Maybe it's the coloring rather than the lights themselves.

Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2013 07:08 PM (fETNt)

155 Holy shit! They killed Matthew Crawley on Downton Abbey. I didn't see that happening.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:08 PM (V70Uh)

156 Captain, stents are the love of my life. My husband and his brother would have been underground years ago without them.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at November 19, 2013 07:08 PM (DoZD+)

157 114 Problem with LEDs is the unnaturally narrow spectrum of light they emit.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 10:55 PM (ZPrif)

Well they've added in fluorescing materials to try and fill in the spectrum gaps but LEDs still have a pretty high correlated color temperature. I happen to like this but many don't .

I've seen research on the subjective effect of lighting on artworks that suggests that we have two peaks in our color temperature preferences - one around 5000K which corresponds to broad daylight and another one just below standard incandescent bulbs (~ 2500K). Essentially we perceive daylight and bright fire light as being the "best" lighting which makes sense since for most of human history these were the only light we had.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 19, 2013 07:08 PM (pAlYe)

158 That Carol Burnett Star Trek parody is outstanding.

Posted by: TOS Fan at November 19, 2013 07:08 PM (wfHYG)

159 .I spent last Tuesday night in the hospital after chest pains and, according to friends, looking spaced out and taking 10-15 seconds to answer a question. The good news is, no heart damage. The bad news is that it's likely I'll have to go in for another angioplasty procedure soon to have another stent put in. I'm just happy to be here, and enjoying the posts here at the HQ.

I've stocked up on incandescents myself. I loathe CFLs.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 19, 2013 11:06 PM (5J54Q)

dammit, Capt., back to the prayer list for you, buddy. all good thought and wishes, too.

Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 07:09 PM (8lmkt)

160

Can someone lay some knowledge on me. Are the "Watts" of a lightbulb a measurement of illumination or electrical usage?

One would think that they measure illumination, but quite frankly I don't think that a 60 watt CFL gives off the same amount of illumination as a 60 watt incandesant.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 19, 2013 07:09 PM (KlVdw)

161 155 Holy shit! They killed Matthew Crawley on Downton Abbey. I didn't see that happening. Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 11:08 PM (V70Uh) That was last season fool!

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 07:09 PM (doBIb)

162 PGiS,

It was very annoying.

Also, just once when some show decides to have someone from the NSA show up, it would be nice if it was some nerdy guy in khakis and glasses. You know, at least somewhat realistic.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 19, 2013 07:09 PM (4OUWV)

163 Can someone lay some knowledge on me.Are the "Watts" of a lightbulb a measurement of illumination or electrical usage? Watt is a measure of power. R

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 07:10 PM (doBIb)

164 112 --The only LEDs I have are a string of Christmas lights. They are great and I like the soft glow. Now sure how LEDs would fare as regular lights; probably best where reading or tight detail is not as necessary. Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2013 10:54 PM (fETNt) I think LEDs have already demonstrated their superiority in flashlights. Battery life is much longer than with incandescents. During a power failure, you can leave LED flashlights on for hours without exhausting their batteries, which is better and safer than burning candles. Yes, they're not quite yet acceptable as regular lighting, but I think they'll get there eventually.

Posted by: rickl at November 19, 2013 07:10 PM (sdi6R)

165

g'night, evrybuddy!

*static*

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 19, 2013 07:10 PM (lq3Ak)

166

Does 2013 seem especially filled with bad health news, or is that just within my circle of friends and family? My friend's mother is being transferred back to the city hospital, her stomach "flipped over" and they have to try to get it repaired but they feel she is too fragile and are worried about the outcome. My other friend's mother was in a car accident last night, and that friend slipped and fell about the same time of her mom's accident and ended up in a walking cast. Another friend's stepfather had a triple bypass last week, and her brother-in-law had a heart attack two weeks ago.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 07:10 PM (RZ8pf)

167 You are one cryptic muthafucka, but I find myself liking you more and more with each passing week. Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 11:07 PM (8lmkt) well currently there are 2 morons posting in Morse but mine is kinda a word and the other ron/ette is just a letter

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:11 PM (SHH+J)

168 Oh, and yet another friend, her younger brother (was in his 30s) died suddenly 2 days ago.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 07:11 PM (RZ8pf)

169 >>> We'll need video of the surprise.

That's the plan.

Posted by: Bomber at November 19, 2013 07:11 PM (JzQ+Q)

170 Hi, Horde! Long time, no comment. I have a reason, though...I spent last Tuesday night in the hospital after chest pains and, according to friends, looking spaced out and taking 10-15 seconds to answer a question. The good news is, no heart damage. The bad news is that it's likely I'll have to go in for another angioplasty procedure soon to have another stent put in. I'm just happy to be here, and enjoying the posts here at the HQ. I've stocked up on incandescents myself. I loathe CFLs. Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 19, 2013 11:06 PM (5J54Q) Yikes! Glad you're here too. When is the procedure?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 19, 2013 07:11 PM (bCEmE)

171 Yeah, and I haven't watched it since.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:11 PM (V70Uh)

172 Watts are a measure of the energy they use per set amount of time.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 19, 2013 07:11 PM (Nsoq9)

173 Peaches, Yeah, it seems the good health gene didn't get installed when I was created.

I'm still here, though, and Lord willing, for a good while longer. I want to see TFG leave the White House at least.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread uses way too many smilies at November 19, 2013 07:11 PM (5J54Q)

174 Darth - In the case of incandescent bulbs, it is the power consumed. The 'illumination' is indicated in Lumens.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:12 PM (aDwsi)

175 Yeah, and I haven't watched it since. Wait till you see who dies now!

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 07:12 PM (doBIb)

176 PGIS, stay indoors until New Years

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:13 PM (CMlD4)

177 Hash of SHH+J, you seem distressed.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 07:13 PM (JawqV)

178 me and the mrs. ...---... are slowly switching out everythig to LEDs. FUCK CFL's!! and LED's work a long time the first ones we put in lasted about7 years as opposed to replacing incandescents at least once per year

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:13 PM (SHH+J)

179 OK geniuses, what is the best light bulb when you have ceiling fans and the bulbs are upside-down?

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:13 PM (V70Uh)

180

Actually, I once told a woman to calm down. She was a friend of mine. She was 4 months pregnant at the time. She and her husband and I were going somewhere - I don't even remember. We were on the freeway. He said something that pissed her off so much she took off her shoe and started hitting him with it. He was driving. You really don't want someone hitting her husband with a shoe while he's going 65 mph. I reached over from the back seat and grabbed her arm.

Later, she said, "I'm sorry. Hormones, you know."

Posted by: Donna V. at November 19, 2013 07:13 PM (R3gO3)

181 lumens, not watts

Posted by: Mr brightside at November 19, 2013 07:13 PM (R6JT1)

182 Yikes! Glad you're here too. When is the procedure? Posted by: Tami at November 19, 2013 11:11 PM (bCEmE) It hasn't been scheduled yet. They want at least another doctor's visit, and the cost for new patients at the local clinic is a bit pricey for me at the moment. I'm looking at other options, including a low-cost/free clinic staffed a couple of days a week by local doctors. Having no insurance doesn't help matters, but I choose to keep hoping and believing all will be well.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread uses way too many smilies at November 19, 2013 07:14 PM (5J54Q)

183

Jean, yeah I have to admit I have some low level anxiety going on right now about what could happen next.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 07:14 PM (RZ8pf)

184 Watts are a measure of the energy they use per set amount of time. Posted by: boulder ------------------ No...., it is just the power that it uses when energized. That is, if it is a 100W bulb, and is on for 10 hours, then it would 'consume' 1000 Watt-Hours of energy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:14 PM (aDwsi)

185 PGiS, it may be the year. 2008 was the worst for my husband's family. Seriously, we could write a book about it.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at November 19, 2013 07:15 PM (DoZD+)

186     Memory from my childhood.

    While we were building our house, we lived in a one room hunting cabin with an outdoor privy and no electricity.

   Still remember sitting at the table, reading a book by kerosene lantern light.

   I tend to not complain about lighting all that much.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 19, 2013 07:15 PM (SAMxH)

187 Watts are used as a shorthand for illumination but they really mean power consumption. Lumens are the unit for light measure, and it's not quite linear. The watt equivalence for incandescent to CFL is a bit of a drop, with LED it's closer. Halogens pack a lot for lumens for the same wattage. Last I looked, a 120W halogen gets you about 1700 lumens, you might get 1200 lumens for a similar rated CFL or LED.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 19, 2013 07:15 PM (R+XDI)

188 Watt is a measure of power. R

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 11:10 PM (doBIb)

Watts are a measure of the energy they use per set amount of time.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 19, 2013 11:11 PM (Nsoq9)

------------

This is what I thought, but I found a site that says watts can also be a unit of measurement for illumination too. So why should the government give two shits about whether we use incandesants or CFL. 60 watts is 60 watts.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 19, 2013 07:15 PM (KlVdw)

189 I think the CFLs are using some Light equivilient to a 60W bulb on the packaging. Lumens/Watt would be better - math warning: http://tinyurl.com/mfsryhm

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:15 PM (CMlD4)

190 Hash of SHH+J, you seem distressed. Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 11:13 PM (JawqV) sing it, JawqV !!

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:15 PM (SHH+J)

191 I've seen research on the subjective effect of lighting on artworks that suggests that we have two peaks in our color temperature preferences - one around 5000K which corresponds to broad daylight and another one just below standard incandescent bulbs (~ 2500K). Essentially we perceive daylight and bright fire light as being the "best" lighting which makes sense since for most of human history these were the only light we had.

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at November 19, 2013 11:08 PM

This. Incandescents are similar to sunlight in effect and make all the difference in discerning colour. Especially subtle colour variations. It's the benchmark for how, say, a dominant shade in a mixed colour field is perceived. Using fluros and fucking awful CFL's changes this giving you problems in shade variations and colour combinations.

Posted by: otho at November 19, 2013 07:15 PM (9gNQd)

192 It hasn't been scheduled yet. They want at least another doctor's visit, and the cost for new patients at the local clinic is a bit pricey for me at the moment. I'm looking at other options, including a low-cost/free clinic staffed a couple of days a week by local doctors. Having no insurance doesn't help matters, but I choose to keep hoping and believing all will be well. Posted by: Captain Whitebread uses way too many smilies at November 19, 2013 11:14 PM (5J54Q) Sorry to hear this CW. Sending thoughts and prayers your way. You have a great attitude!

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 19, 2013 07:16 PM (bCEmE)

193 This is what I thought, but I found a site that says watts can also be a unit of measurement for illumination too. So why should the government give two shits about whether we use incandesants or CFL. 60 watts is 60 watts. Posted by: Darth Randall at November 19, 2013 11:15 PM (KlVdw) Because shut up, that's why. Go eat your aragula or whatever that crap is.

Posted by: Your Betters In Washington at November 19, 2013 07:16 PM (5J54Q)

194

Re:: the "16 people on things they couldn't believe about America", some were surprising to me, some were the same rehashed shit I always see from the Eusual Suspects. "Primitive public transportation -- no wonder everyone has to have such wastefully huge cars". Maybe we don't NEED so much public transportation because we HAVE the cars. And how am I supposed to get to that wonderful public transportation if I live anywhere not high-density?

The one that made me want to kiss the ground on Ellis Island was the comment on our irrational need to consult a document over 200 years old for every little thing. But then, some people consult a book written over 2000 years ago! Silly, gun-toting, Bible-thumping Constitution idolaters!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 19, 2013 07:16 PM (QBm1P)

195 Spoiler alert.

Kipling had a short story to accompany the poem "Female of The Species." A pleasant English spinster finds a German aviator crashed in the back garden, and calmly offs him.

Kipling's son Jack died in the Great War. It affected him very deeply.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 19, 2013 07:17 PM (xq1UY)

196 From that link:

Lumens to watts table Lumens Light bulb
watts Fluorecent
/ LED
watts 375 lm 25 W 6.23 W 600 lm 40 W 10 W 900 lm 60 W 15 W 1125 lm 75 W 18.75 W 1500 lm 100 W 25 W 2250 lm 150 W 37.5 W 3000 lm 200 W 50 W

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:17 PM (CMlD4)

197 OK geniuses, what is the best light bulb when you have ceiling fans and the bulbs are upside-down? Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 11:13 PM (V70Uh) trick question, next?

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:17 PM (SHH+J)

198 Sorry to hear this CW. Sending thoughts and prayers your way. You have a great attitude! Posted by: Tami at November 19, 2013 11:16 PM (bCEmE) Thanks. I do have my bad days, though. Thankfully, today isn't one of them.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 19, 2013 07:17 PM (5J54Q)

199 Night horde. As Scarlett said, "Tomorrow is another day" God willing.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 19, 2013 07:17 PM (0FSuD)

200 Jean, yeah I have to admit I have some low level anxiety going on right now about what could happen next. Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 11:14 PM (RZ8pf) buy more ammo and buttwipe and feminine products

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:18 PM (SHH+J)

201 >"What's [Carney] going to do after this gig robs him of all credibility?"

Not a problem; he can segue effortlessly to public spokesman for the banking industry.

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at November 19, 2013 07:19 PM (g4GX8)

202 I should have guess Pixy hated tables,

for the equivalent of a 60W incandescent (900 Lumens) a CFL uses 15W of power

Lumens 900 lm
Light bulb watts 60 W
Fluorecent/ LED watts 15 W

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:20 PM (CMlD4)

203 sing it, JawqV !!

Not linking to that song.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 07:20 PM (JawqV)

204 Buy the Cree bulbs! Help a moron keep his phony baloney job!

or something like that...

Evening roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 19, 2013 07:20 PM (xa1/W)

205 Poetry - bah!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 07:20 PM (97jsO)

206

I don't think I like Kipling very much.

But then again, I've only Kipled twice ever.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 19, 2013 07:20 PM (N/Sup)

207 GGE!!!

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 07:21 PM (doBIb)

208 94 I've only got my own experience to go on with this, but, it seems that what cause cfl's to have short life is frequent on/off cycles. Meaning if a cfl bulb is in a room where you tend to go in and out of a lot and for short periods of time, which means turning the light on and off frequently, like the bathroom, the shorter the life span of the cfl. If it's in a room where you tend to stay for longer periods of time keeping the light on without turning it off, like the living room, the longer they last.
Posted by: booger at November 19, 2013 10:48 PM

My experience exactly. Put them in my (light sensor activated) garage door opener lights and they failed within two weeks. Regular incandesents last for months. Aren't dim while they warm up, either.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at November 19, 2013 07:21 PM (ylG8S)

209 Lumens to Evers to Chance...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 07:21 PM (97jsO)

210 Darth - The CFL/LED folks are trying to say that their bulbs provide illumination equivalent to a 60W incandescent, just to give you a sense of what to expect illumination-wise. Technically speaking, a Watt= 1 Joule/sec , the Joule being a measure of energy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:22 PM (aDwsi)

211 OK, GGE. I'll do it for you, pal.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 19, 2013 07:22 PM (5J54Q)

212 I was a bit jumpy today when the city was jackhammering near the gas pipeline behind my house. Have no idea what they were doing but it was a bit unnerving to see them working so close to the pipeline.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 07:22 PM (RZ8pf)

213 Darth -As an aside, *very* little of the 60W consumed by an incandescent is converted to light, and that's why the switch (a pun!) is on.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:23 PM (aDwsi)

214 No. Seriously. I have three rooms with ceiling fans and inverted light bulbs.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:23 PM (V70Uh)

215 I keep wondering when Jay Carney is going to jump ship.

What would he jump ship to? Carney's accomplishments so far have consisted of making Scott McClellan look competent.

Posted by: AD at November 19, 2013 07:23 PM (NmpZu)

216 212 I was a bit jumpy today when the city was jackhammering near the gas pipeline behind my house. Have no idea what they were doing but it was a bit unnerving to see them working so close to the pipeline. Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 11:22 PM (RZ8pf) If you see them run, it's already too late!

Posted by: EC at November 19, 2013 07:23 PM (doBIb)

217 193 This is what I thought, but I found a site that says watts can also be a unit of measurement for illumination too. So why should the government give two shits about whether we use incandesants or CFL. 60 watts is 60 watts.
Posted by: Darth Randall at November 19, 2013 11:15 PM (KlVdw)

No watts are a measure of power - not light output. It's just that we used incandescent lights for so long that we associated their power draw with the amount light they put out. A 60W incandescent may draw something around 60 watts of electricty but a '60W equivalent' CFL will put out the same amount of light using maybe 7W.

The correct measure of light output is in terms of lumens and more and more bulbs are including this on their package so you can make an apples-to-apples comparison across different types of lights.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 19, 2013 07:24 PM (pAlYe)

218
Bierce was quite the misogynist, it seems.

WITCH, n. (1) Any ugly and repulsive old woman, in a wicked league with the devil. (2) A beautiful and attractive young woman, in wickedness a league beyond the devil.

MAIDEN, n. A young person of the unfair sex addicted to clewless conduct and views that madden to crime. The genus has a wide geographical distribution, being found wherever sought and deplored wherever found. The maiden is not altogether unpleasing to the eye, nor (without her piano and her views) insupportable to the ear, though in respect to comeliness distinctly inferior to the rainbow, and, with regard to the part of her that is audible, bleating out of the field by the canary Â— which, also, is more portable.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 19, 2013 07:24 PM (MBqvE)

219 I was a bit jumpy today when the city was jackhammering near the gas pipeline behind my house. Have no idea what they were doing but it was a bit unnerving to see them working so close to the pipeline. Posted by: Paranoid ------------- Workers ruptured a 4" 60psi line in front of my house.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:24 PM (aDwsi)

220 Fluorecent/ LED watts 15 W Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 11:20 PM (CMlD4) so CFL and LED have the same power consumption for the same 'light' ?

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:24 PM (SHH+J)

221 214 No. Seriously. I have three rooms with ceiling fans and inverted light bulbs. Musta been designed by liberals.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at November 19, 2013 07:24 PM (DoZD+)

222 But what does the esteemed Mr. Kipling have to say about the thing commonly known as Janeane Garofalo?

Posted by: Dúnadan at November 19, 2013 07:25 PM (QLift)

223 I read somewhere that CFL (with the mercury) were not designed to be upside-down, or was it that they cannot be in a recessed enclosure. Either way, help me out.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:25 PM (V70Uh)

224 Good evening, GGE. How's by you tonite?

Posted by: irongrampa at November 19, 2013 07:25 PM (SAMxH)

225 Not a problem; he can segue effortlessly to public spokesman for the banking industry.

I'm afraid he'll end up in insurance

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:25 PM (CMlD4)

226 The Kipling poem made me think of Mrs Miniver

Posted by: Thunderb at November 19, 2013 07:26 PM (zOTsN)

227 But what does the esteemed Mr. Kipling have to say about the thing commonly known as Janeane Garofalo? Posted by: DÃºnadan at November 19, 2013 11:25 PM (QLift) I think she has much in common with Mr. Bierce's definition of "witch".

Posted by: Zombie Rudyard Kipling at November 19, 2013 07:26 PM (5J54Q)

228 *very* little of the 60W consumed by an incandescent is converted to light, and that's why the switch (a pun!) is on. Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 11:23 PM (aDwsi) sure it is heat, which is why in Germany they are trying to get around the light bulb ban by selling 'incandescent heaters'

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:26 PM (SHH+J)

229 so CFL and LED have the same power consumption for the same 'light' ? Posted by: ... --- ---------------- Only if they have gotten better. Last I checked, fluorescents were still more efficient.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:27 PM (aDwsi)

230 so CFL and LED have the same power consumption for the same 'light' ? Posted by: ... --- ...

In general, but the luminous efficiency of each bulb should be stated by the manufacturer (and the color/temperature)

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:27 PM (CMlD4)

231 I wonder which over priced product those of us that use decorative bulbs in vintage fixtures are supposed to switch to.... My 1920s wall sconces have been happily burning amber colored 40 and 25 watt flame shaped bulbs for at least 60 years. Now what? A curly cfl in garish party colors? gluh....

Posted by: Phil at November 19, 2013 07:27 PM (QzdcC)

232 No. Seriously. I have three rooms with ceiling fans and inverted light bulbs. Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 11:23 PM (V70Uh) sounds shadowy, but whatever fits

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:28 PM (SHH+J)

233 Jimbo, not sure about that because in my sister's town house the electric company came in and replaced all her light bulbs with those curly ones, and she has 4 ceiling fans with those upside down light fixtures. I asked her if they left her any information about disposing of them if they burn out, but they didn't. She was unaware that they were a hazard and had to be disposed of properly and that if they broke it was a BFD.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 07:28 PM (RZ8pf)

234 Prediction: the systems won't talk to one another leading to insurance companies getting subsidies for people who signed up but are no longer making the premium payments. Perhaps even worse, the subsidies will be paid upfront with no tracking to see if people actually pay for their policies I see a parallel with the housing bust where brokers collected commissions for mortgages that the borrower never made the first payment.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 19, 2013 07:28 PM (e8kgV)

235 In fact, the best sign that the Obama administration's problems stem from incompetence is the fact that Carney's still employed.

If you're going to engage in the lying business, at least get someone who's good at it.

Posted by: AD at November 19, 2013 07:28 PM (NmpZu)

236 Good luck and Godspeed Whitebread

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 19, 2013 07:28 PM (R+XDI)

237 The new light bulbs are not flattering, so they must be destroyed.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 19, 2013 07:29 PM (zOTsN)

238 It's the South. Ceiling fans are popular and necessary.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:29 PM (V70Uh)

239 214 No. Seriously. I have three rooms with ceiling fans and inverted light bulbs.
Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 11:23 PM (V70Uh)

CFLs and LEDs generally run cooler so if you used incandescents before, it should be fine to use any of the three. I've started switching out bulbs in my ceiling fans with chandelier-style LEDs just so I don't have to climb up and change them as often.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 19, 2013 07:30 PM (pAlYe)

240 You can buy LEDs that are better then fluorescents -- but they are pricey, and I don't know if they are sold packaged by anyone yet. You'll have to build them up.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:31 PM (CMlD4)

241 Either way, help me out. Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 11:25 PM (V70Uh) black market the shit out of incandescents or try LED's Mexico has not banned incandescents and Canada has not banned toilets that flush bootlegging 21st century style

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:31 PM (SHH+J)

242 All this bulb talk is making me hungry.

Posted by: Herman at November 19, 2013 07:31 PM (AO9UG)

243 I refuse to buy the CFLs. I saw some halogens for sale at Walmart today. 4 times the price of incadescent.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:31 PM (V70Uh)

244 I just bought some good ones from opto diode, but thats not consumer stuff.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:32 PM (CMlD4)

245 LED is definitely less power per lumen than CFL. A 60W equivalent CFL runs around 20 watts, it's single digits on the newer CREE bulbs

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 19, 2013 07:32 PM (R+XDI)

246 yeah, I should go eat. Haven't had much in the way of food today. I am in one of those moods where none of the food in my house appeals to me, but I am too lazy to go out and get something.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 07:32 PM (RZ8pf)

247 So, drive the minivan to Canada, load it up, haul it down and PROFIT!

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:32 PM (V70Uh)

248 242 All this bulb talk is making me hungry. Posted by: Herman at November 19, 2013 11:31 PM (AO9UG) Uncle Fester?

Posted by: RWC at November 19, 2013 07:33 PM (LpbKr)

249 My surgeon told me today he was going to cut out a lump in my neck. He wants to be sure it ain't cancer, since I had cancer 8 years ago. I don't think it is. Anyway, he and his PA spent 10 minutes in a 3-way conversation with the book-keeper making the procedure match the money (Medicare/Tricare). Thanks ubamacare. And my light bulbs bought in 2007 are about used up. Back to the store, huh? I hear baby seals give off a lot of light when properly ignited.

Posted by: EROWMER at November 19, 2013 07:33 PM (OONaw)

250 For anyone who is a night owl and is interested, "Soylent Green" is on TCM at midnight and "The Fountainhead" is on at 2.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 19, 2013 07:33 PM (jiLKw)

251 217 193 This is what I thought, but I found a site that says watts can also be a unit of measurement for illumination too. So why should the government give two shits about whether we use incandesants or CFL. 60 watts is 60 watts.
Posted by: Darth Randall at November 19, 2013 11:15 PM (KlVdw)

No watts are a measure of power - not light output. It's just that we used incandescent lights for so long that we associated their power draw with the amount of light they put out. A 60W incandescent may draw something around 60 watts of electricty but a '60W equivalent' CFL will put out the same amount of light using maybe 7W.

The correct measure of light output is in terms of lumens and more and more bulbs are including this on their package so you can make an apples-to-apples comparison across different types of lights.

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at November 19, 2013 11:24 PM (pAlYe)

Thing is, all 60W bulbs radiate the same energy - but some is visible light and some is heat. Incandescent bulbs radiate a lot in heat (Easy-Bake Ovens, maybe?) -- so any 7W fluorescent is going to be deficient in some part of the spectrum.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 07:33 PM (T1005)

252 Took a metalworking class during the past ten weeks. The instructor misused "i.e." all the time; she said "e.i." instead. That reminded me of a great line spoken by Dennis Farina in Get Shorty, "e.g., i.e., fuck you!". Just finished watching it again, and now, to bed...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 07:33 PM (89ILT)

253 lumens, not watts Posted by: Mr brightside at November 19, 2013 11:13 PM Well, that kinda sums it all up, right? Threadwinner for Tuesday 19NOV13.

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 19, 2013 07:34 PM (JMmQ9)

254 Time for the old folk. Need to do the last of the leaves tomorrow.

Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 19, 2013 07:34 PM (SAMxH)

255 Canada has not banned toilets that flush bootlegging 21st century style --------------- Heh. Does the Border Patrol have porcelain-sniffing dogs? I suppose we could use Kennedy style speed boats to run them down the coast. Soon, of course, the government will be able to detect suspicious flush volumes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:35 PM (aDwsi)

256 I searched on ...---... and the fucking search engine does not register Morse Code aparently

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:35 PM (SHH+J)

257 Krebs,

What did you make in the class?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 19, 2013 07:35 PM (4OUWV)

258 I don't need any light bulbs. The room just lights up as soon as I walk in.

Posted by: Barry Obama at November 19, 2013 07:35 PM (oFCZn)

259 Technically speaking, a Watt= 1 Joule/sec , the Joule being a measure of energy. Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 11:22 PM (aDwsi) Fuck Joule and her cradle to the grave handout lifestyle.

Posted by: RWC at November 19, 2013 07:36 PM (LpbKr)

260 Funny. Earlier there was a discussion of VA and UT ABC stores. I was thinking about driving to Cali to hit the Bev N More, load up the minivan and haul all that sweet, sweet low-price booze here to SC. LOL. I think that I should go to truck-driving school. It's not worth it unless you haul a big load.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:36 PM (V70Uh)

261 So, drive the minivan to Canada, load it up, haul it down and PROFIT! Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 11:32 PM (V70Uh) yep

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 07:36 PM (SHH+J)

262

heheheh eh heheh... "big load"... heheh eh heheheh

Posted by: beavis at November 19, 2013 07:37 PM (9gNQd)

263 I searched on ...---... and the fucking search engine does not register Morse Code aparently SOS

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:37 PM (aDwsi)

264 Funny. Earlier there was a discussion of VA and UT ABC stores. I was thinking about driving to Cali to hit the Bev N More, load up the minivan and haul all that sweet, sweet low-price booze here to SC. LOL. I think that I should go to truck-driving school. It's not worth it unless you haul a big load.

Posted by: Jimbo

I used to do that in HS. I lived in UT and made runs to Wyoming for cheap hooch to liquor up the mormon girls.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 07:37 PM (CMlD4)

265 good night.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 07:38 PM (V70Uh)

266 I'll second those CREE light bulbs, those are nice ones. Philips also makes some nice bulbs as well

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 07:38 PM (vJdyz)

267 Haven't had much in the way of food today. I am in one of those moods where none of the food in my house appeals to me, but I am too lazy to go out and get something. Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 11:32 PM (RZ8pf) And I thought I was the only one...

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 19, 2013 07:39 PM (5J54Q)

268 On the Americablog: "ItÂ’s actually quite difficult to infect a UNIX/Linux system because it protects operating system files through encryption and would never allow some random program to reach through and diddle with the computerÂ’s BIOS. What I canÂ’t wrap my brain around is this idea that a single nigh-undetectable virus can infect any computer regardless of OS."

The person who wrote that clearly doesn't understand the capability of UEFI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface

If a virus can rewrite some of UEFI code, and the OS relies on that UEFI code at the device driver level, then any OS operations could be compromised in an OS independent manner.

UEFI is not unlike the old implementation of ABIOS in the IBM PS/2 line of machines that provided a protected mode abstracted hardware interface for OS's.

IMO, the BadBIOS scenario is entirely plausible, particularly since UEFI incorporates run time as well as boot time services -- IOW, it provides a hardware abstraction layer so OS's do have to do as much device specific code in drivers.

It is within that hardware abstraction layer that BadBIOS would live.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 19, 2013 07:39 PM (Xlbr8)

269 I actually like the idea of LED bulbs. And I'm sure the market would have eventually led me to buy them. Kinda pissed about being forced to buy them..

This. You know what this causes in a non-free market? Higher fucking prices. The cheapness of the incandescents would have driven the price down faster. Now the led folks can just leave the price high. Not just high but OMG high. There is another negative aspect to the high cost/longer life trade for the cheap/lower life bulb. If you are 80 years old living on a fix income, must you really be made to spend $200 on lights that will last your 1000X longer when you'll be dead in a quarter of that time? G-d I hate these busy bodies in the guvmit. The mere thought that something that isn't inherently harmful in any way like a fucking incandescent is outlawed just chaps my ass. Sorry for harshing the ONT, I'll be off now.

Posted by: dogfish at November 19, 2013 07:40 PM (nsOJa)

270 SOS, yep now the next 3

Posted by: ... --- ... ..- ... .- at November 19, 2013 07:40 PM (SHH+J)

271 "Outstanding outdoor lights too, I was blowing a halogen flood every other week, and the LED for twice the price will last for years at about 1/8th the power requirement."

I haven't seen anything LED at retail that will throw light as massively as some of the big halogen floods I have installed outside. Which do blow out, you're right.

I've had experiences with criminal intruders at oh-dark-thirty, going back decades. I never enjoy it. When I hear strange noises outside, I want to know precisely what made them. And know quickly.

n.b. for anyone coming around Chez Torquewrench at night: yep, there is absolutely no place in the yard where someone can hide in shadows and not be seen. It's quite carefully set up that way. I see you. Wait right where you are while I draw a bead.

Shit, sorry, officer. Thought it was another raccoon.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 07:41 PM (gqT4g)

272 252
Took a metalworking class during the past ten weeks.

The instructor misused "i.e." all the time; she said "e.i." instead. That reminded me of a great line spoken by Dennis Farina in Get Shorty, "e.g., i.e., fuck you!".

Just finished watching it again, and now, to bed...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 19, 2013 11:33 PM (89ILT)

It's easy to keep straight if you simply remember that "e.g." is short for "exempli gratia" and "i.e." is short for "id est". If you know Spanish/Italian/Latin/English-root-words, you can see that the first is like "example free" and the second is like "it is". So they are used the same way as "for example" and "that is to say", respectively.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 07:41 PM (T1005)

273 USE?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:42 PM (aDwsi)

274

Ace O' Spades, come for the smart military talk, stay for the info on lightbulbs and lace wigs.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 19, 2013 07:42 PM (KlVdw)

275 254 Time for the old folk. Need to do the last of the leaves tomorrow.

Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 19, 2013 11:34 PM (SAMxH)

I did a round of leaves today, myself.....but it was far, far, far from the last. The rate of drop is still increasing.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 07:42 PM (T1005)

276 No..., USA

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:43 PM (aDwsi)

277 Maet, thanks for showcasing my comment. To EC, seven years.

Posted by: Herman at November 19, 2013 07:43 PM (AO9UG)

278 Where you see your savings in the LED bulbs is a combination of longevity and power savings. The 40 watt equivalent Cree bulb uses 6w of power, the 60 watt equivalent uses 7. Outfit your entire home with them and you will save enough on your power bill to make a noticeable difference, I've switched the ones that I use the most and have averaged 10-15 dollars a month in savings on the power bill. These are lights that tend to stay on a lot since I'm a night owl and I have kids that apparently don't understand the function of a light switch. Plus, the newer ones can be used in dimmer circuits (although they won't dim as much as incandescents). They should last a good long time (est. 15-20 years in normal usage), in fact they could very well be the last bulbs you ever buy. Plus, when they finally do go bad, no toxic elements to the environment like CFL's so no special disposal methods needed (like anyone ever uses them anyway).

The problem from a sales aspect is proving to Joe Homeowner that they really are worth the 4-5x price over the CFL's. When we can sell them for 10 bucks a bulb we will have a hard time keeping up with demand. We're getting there...

FWIW, the LED outdoor lighting I think is too harsh. I prefer the sodium vapor, but the power savings alone is enough to entice corporations and municipalities to switch over.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 19, 2013 07:44 PM (xa1/W)

279 It's easy to keep straight if you simply remember that "e.g." is short for "exempli gratia" and "i.e." is short for "id est". If you know Spanish/Italian/Latin/English-root-words, you can see that the first is like "example free" and the second is like "it is". So they are used the same way as "for example" and "that is to say", respectively. Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 11:41 PM (T1005) In one little paragraph you have rendered simple a complexity that has had be stymied for years. Thank you

Posted by: Ragamuffin at November 19, 2013 07:44 PM (fzFF6)

280

Brought this over from an earlier thread. I'm one of the best as a thread killer. So here is my post in memory of Lincoln's great speech 150 yo.

re:247
Yes, Lincoln had a bit of an odd speech and tone, but as was recalled on many occasions, when the passion of the moment rose in him, he was quite a powerful orator.

The Hist. Soc. I work for has restored a house he stayed at in 1856 when campaigning for Fremont and the newly formed Rep. party. Accounts of the time mention his awkward appearance was overshadowed by his impressive oratory.
Just about a month and half before appearing here Lincoln spoke at the first full IL Rep. convention as the final speaker. They asked him to wrap things up because of his well known penchant for humorous stories w/ a point. As it turned out he got on a roll and spoke eloquently against the expansion of slavery for 2 hours. The speech was so enthralling reporters forgot to take notes of what was said and thus became Lincoln's famous "Lost Speech" which vaulted him to prominence in the IL Rep. party.

Posted by: The Farmer at November 19, 2013 07:44 PM (eBupg)

281 There was an absolutely brilliant letter in this morning's WSJ, and I hope the smart-military types here get a chance to read it. In an earlier commentary on "robot warfare," a wag had asked rhetorically to whom an enemy could surrender, when faced with overwhelming high-tech force. The writer pointed out that this eventuality has already come to pass: an island garrison of Iraq, seeing a sighting drone from USS Wisconsin still beyond the horizon, had realized what was going to happen next, and saved themselves by displaying everything white on the island to the drone camera.

Which just goes to show, everything goes better with an Iowa.

"Inform the tyrant that an American warship is now at sea with a bone in her teeth, and within hours he and his capital will be under our guns."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 19, 2013 07:45 PM (xq1UY)

282 257 Krebs, What did you make in the class? Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 19, 2013 11:35 PM (4OUWV) Silver jewelry - two rings and a bracelet - to be given away as Christmas gifts to a niece, my sister and mother. The missus and I are looking to take an introductory welding class sometime next fall; we're doing the intermediate jewelry class next, which, upon completion, would qualify us to use the museum's metalworking studio with minimal supervision.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 07:45 PM (51moJ)

283 Suchie Pai II for the original Playstation. 1996. Character designs by Sonoda Kenichi. Oddly never imported to the US. Would think combat strip Mahjong would be popular.

http://youtu.be/td0-RNUTYw0

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 19, 2013 07:45 PM (5tMRX)

284 If there was one thing I wish would happen with the LED bulbs is for Philips to drop the damn price on their Hue line.

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 07:45 PM (vJdyz)

285 Out, out, damned sock!

Posted by: eman at November 19, 2013 07:46 PM (AO9UG)

286 Hammer- I got a kick out of this pearl of yours from this morning: Obama (thumps Resolute desk with a resounding 'plink'

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 19, 2013 07:46 PM (kdKCp)

287 273 USE?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 11:42 PM (aDwsi)
USA

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 19, 2013 07:46 PM (ozktE)

288 271 "Outstanding outdoor lights too, I was blowing a halogen flood every
other week, and the LED for twice the price will last for years at about
1/8th the power requirement."

I haven't seen anything LED at retail that will throw light as massively as some of the big halogen floods I have installed outside. Which do blow out, you're right.

I've had experiences with criminal intruders at oh-dark-thirty, going back decades. I never enjoy it. When I hear strange noises outside, I want to know precisely what made them. And know quickly.

n.b. for anyone coming around Chez Torquewrench at night: yep, there is absolutely no place in the yard where someone can hide in shadows and not be seen. It's quite carefully set up that way. I see you. Wait right where you are while I draw a bead.

Shit, sorry, officer. Thought it was another raccoon.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 11:41 PM (gqT4g)

"Shit, officer" nothing -- you have a lime pit that needs regular feedings.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 07:46 PM (T1005)

289 All right, time to turn in. Have a good night, y'all!

Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2013 07:46 PM (fETNt)

290 No..., USA Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 11:43 PM (aDwsi) correct now my wifes brother would get drunk and do semiphore flag signals(hi was Navy) to those who understood them from across the room. I'd really like that skill

Posted by: ... --- ... ..- ... .- at November 19, 2013 07:47 PM (SHH+J)

291 Anyone here with an iPhone running the latest iOS notice that when you swipe down and pull up your calendar for the day, it also tells you how much time it would take for you to get home from your current location? I find that creepy.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 07:47 PM (51moJ)

292 I hear baby seals give off a lot of light when properly ignited.Posted by: EROWMER at November 19, 2013 11:33 PM (OONaw)
Only if properly beaten first.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 19, 2013 07:47 PM (ozktE)

293 Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 11:42 PM (aDwsi) USA Posted by: Bertram -------------- 276

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:47 PM (aDwsi)

294 "The mere thought that something that isn't inherently harmful in any way like a fucking incandescent is outlawed just chaps my ass."

Not inherently harmful?

But what about the plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanet, you uncaring brute?

Posted by: Every Annoying Greeniac Grad Student at November 19, 2013 07:48 PM (gqT4g)

295 279 It's easy to keep straight if you simply remember that "e.g." is short for "exempli gratia" and "i.e." is short for "id est". If you know Spanish/Italian/Latin/English-root-words, you can see that the first is like "example free" and the second is like "it is". So they are used the same way as "for example" and "that is to say", respectively.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 11:41 PM (T1005)

In one little paragraph you have rendered simple a complexity that has had be stymied for years.

Thank you

Posted by: Ragamuffin at November 19, 2013 11:44 PM (fzFF6)

...and here I thought I was being Elder-God-level pedantic. That's not to say that I don't really think of 'em that way, but I didn't expect it to dovetail into anyone else's inner geek.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 07:50 PM (T1005)

296 Muldoon - Yeah..., that still isn't quite right, though. Resounding 'flid'? 'fluf'? '

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:50 PM (aDwsi)

297 No. Seriously. I have three rooms with ceiling fans and inverted light bulbs.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 19, 2013 11:23 PM (V70Uh)

funny, I never thought I'd be a company spokesman, being a knuckledragging maintenance type...but the Cree bulbs throw an illumination pattern like the incandescents so they should be just fine in your bulb-up fixtures. Available at Home Depot and Best Buy, FWIW.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 19, 2013 07:50 PM (xa1/W)

298 Good evening, Horde. 98% on my piano test today. I'm slipping. Not here for long.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 19, 2013 07:51 PM (N/cFh)

299 Only if properly beaten first. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 19, 2013 11:47 PM (ozktE) baby seals burn long time, excellent for heating/lighting the igloo, better than those fucking Pandas

Posted by: Eskimo Joe at November 19, 2013 07:51 PM (SHH+J)

300 294 "The mere thought that something that isn't inherently harmful in any way like a fucking incandescent is outlawed just chaps my ass." Not inherently harmful? But what about the plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanet, you uncaring brute? Posted by: Every Annoying Greeniac Grad Student at November 19, 2013 11:48 PM (gqT4g) 100,000 protesters smashing 100,000 Mercury bulbs on the steps of the Capital Building. It did not happen, so here we are.

Posted by: eman at November 19, 2013 07:53 PM (AO9UG)

301 294 "The mere thought that something that isn't inherently harmful in any way
like a fucking incandescent is outlawed just chaps my ass."

Not inherently harmful?

But what about the plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanet, you uncaring brute?

Posted by: Every Annoying Greeniac Grad Student at November 19, 2013 11:48 PM (gqT4g)

There's a lime pit prepped and waiting for your contribution.....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 07:53 PM (T1005)

302 The person who wrote that clearly doesn't understand the capability of UEFI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
If a virus can rewrite some of UEFI code, and the OS relies on that UEFI code at the device driver level, then any OS operations could be compromised in an OS independent manner.

If.

But there's absolutely no evidence that an infected machine could do this by sound alone.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 19, 2013 07:53 PM (pAlYe)

303 Torque, I'm using 75W bulbs made by CREE (diff name on package, but it says manufactured by). I think I'm getting about 800 lumens a bulb. Previously was using 100W halogens which were about 1300 lumen but would frequently blow out, especially if you went through a rapid off/on cycle of less than 20 or 30 minutes.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 19, 2013 07:53 PM (R+XDI)

304 so we have Peaches, where is MissTammy?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 19, 2013 07:53 PM (Z9EHQ)

305 And now that I've enjoyed that brief commercial break...back to the salt mines. Catch you all in a bit!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 19, 2013 07:53 PM (xa1/W)

306 the ligh bulb ban and toilets that flush ban would be the same if the feds declared all rifle will shoot .308 Winchester/ 7.62x51 or something

Posted by: Eskimo Joe at November 19, 2013 07:54 PM (SHH+J)

307 298 Good evening, Horde. 98% on my piano test today. I'm slipping.
Not here for long.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 19, 2013 11:51 PM (N/cFh)

You need to knock off that throw-your-back-out-yoga and refocus on supple-and-agile-fingers yoga.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 07:55 PM (T1005)

308 Just dropping by to say that I have tried the Cree daylight 60-watt equivalent, and so far I am very pleased.

Posted by: Mindy is standing on her head because the world is upside down at November 19, 2013 07:55 PM (lCBX+)

309 298 Good evening, Horde. 98% on my piano test today. I'm slipping. Not here for long. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 19, 2013 11:51 PM (N/cFh) What's a piano test?

Posted by: RWC at November 19, 2013 07:55 PM (LpbKr)

310 I'd really like that skill Posted by: ... --- ... ..- ... .- ---------------- For years, one of my uncles would administer the test for the Boy Scout Semiphore merit badge. Finally he got so old that they would make a video tape, and send it to him to judge. I don't think there is a semiphore badge anymore, but do not know for sure. A few years back, I visited the bridge of a Norwegian cruise ship. Had a nice conversation with the Cap'n. I was very surprised to see a rack of signal flags. I asked if there was a signal officer aboard proficient with their use. He assured me that there was.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 07:56 PM (aDwsi)

311 I've found the daylight spectrum CFL's to be much better than the yellowish "soft white". I put a bunch of them in my kitchen Halos and they're fine.

The CFL floods I wired up on one of the gables about 10 years ago run off a dawn/dusk electric eye and they're still the originals I put in when I installed the fixture/eye.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 19, 2013 07:56 PM (Xlbr8)

312 "Which just goes to show, everything goes better with an Iowa."

Having turned all of the classic battlewagons into museum pieces, the Navy now proposes to fill their role with the Zumwalt class.

Which combines astoundingly big pocket-battleship size with about a ten-thousandth of the ability of an Iowa to put steel on target.

And with a ten-thousandth of the ability of an Iowa to endure battle damage. Balsa wood in the deckhouse?

("It doesn't burn!" is the response from Big Navy. Uh, I'm not worried about its fire resistance. I'm worried about its resistance to fire, as in the incoming sort.)

One dopey jihadi on a jet-ski with an RPG might make some work for the Iowa's topside paint detail. Whereas in the right spot he might mission-kill a Zumwalt.

Don't get me wrong: I recognize that the demands of crewing an Iowa and of maintaining classic steam-plant propulsion in the 21st century are very large. I think a modern alternative is called for. I just don't think the Zumwalts are it.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 07:56 PM (gqT4g)

313 223 I've been running them both ways for over ten years in my house. Non-issue

Posted by: DAve at November 19, 2013 07:58 PM (b7yum)

314 Bush on Leno

Posted by: RWC at November 19, 2013 07:59 PM (LpbKr)

315 funny, I never thought I'd be a company spokesman, being a knuckledragging maintenance type...but the Cree bulbs throw an illumination pattern like the incandescents so they should be just fine in your bulb-up fixtures. Available at Home Depot and Best Buy, FWIW.

I'll have to check on the local Home Despot, last time I looked it was all GE and some other brand that I hadn't heard of. Went to Lowes and bought Sylvania instead.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 07:59 PM (JawqV)

316 I recognize that the demands of crewing an Iowa and of maintaining classic steam-plant propulsion in the 21st century are very large. I think a modern alternative is called for.

Yes, Rods from God. Less painting and scraping in orbit

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 08:00 PM (CMlD4)

317 Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 11:56 PM (gqT4g) not sure but depending on Air Superiority? If the USA looses Air Superiority, we are fucked. The whole defense doctrine is based on controling the Air. ..- ... .- ..-. for victory

Posted by: ... --- ... at November 19, 2013 08:02 PM (SHH+J)

318 fuck these Xbox Fitness achievements

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 08:03 PM (vJdyz)

319 But there's absolutely no evidence that an infected machine could do this to an uninfected machine by sound alone.

No. That is probably impossible unless there's some horrible bug in the mic firmware that manifested on some pathologically formed signal allowing for a buffer overrun exploit of some sort.

The BadBIOS scenario seems to depend on being installed on the other machine. Barring that (unlikely) mic bug thing, I don't seen any way to bootstrap onto a virgin machine that stands in isolation with no connectivity.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 19, 2013 08:03 PM (Xlbr8)

320 USAF And.., stop doing that...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 08:03 PM (aDwsi)

321 As far as I know the four Iowa class battleships are still Navy property and can't be really modified to being only museum ships. They are still subject to being called back to service.

At a cost of $3 billion per Zumwalt and only three being built, one of them will only be hazarded only in extremis. So now the Navy is peddling the three white elephants as technology demonstrators.

And the LCS, good gosh those things are also targets.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 19, 2013 08:04 PM (5tMRX)

322 316 I recognize that the demands of crewing an Iowa and of maintaining classic steam-plant propulsion in the 21st century are very large. I think a modern alternative is called for. Yes, Rods from God. Less painting and scraping in orbit Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 12:00 AM (CMlD4) Re supply of a giant Gauss rifle in low earth orbit is going to be a b*tch

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 19, 2013 08:04 PM (R+XDI)

323 And.., stop doing that... Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 12:03 AM (aDwsi) sure

Posted by: (SHH+J) at November 19, 2013 08:05 PM (SHH+J)

324 I'm out. It's been illuminating.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 19, 2013 08:06 PM (aDwsi)

325 318 fuck these Xbox Fitness achievements Posted by: The Dude at November 20, 2013 12:03 AM (vJdyz) Go with P-90x. Hell of a lot cheaper to break a DVD than a 360.

Posted by: RWC at November 19, 2013 08:06 PM (LpbKr)

326 Public School SuperintendentÂ’s Racist Rant The superintendent of the Racine Unified School district in Wisconsin criticized a voucher program that was extended to her district. What was her criticism? Why did she think it was bad? Simply, the superintendent believes that Black parents were incompetent to raise their own children More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=3957

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 19, 2013 08:07 PM (Vk2pI)

327 Posted by: The Political Hat at November 20, 2013 12:07 AM (Vk2pI) The Democrat Party said the same thing in 1850 and 1870 history, it is almost as good as math

Posted by: (SHH+J) at November 19, 2013 08:08 PM (SHH+J)

328 Re supply of a giant Gauss rifle in low earth orbit is going to be a b*tch Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone

If it takes more then a dozen, you might as well go nuke

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 08:08 PM (CMlD4)

329 Hated some of his policies, but damn the contrast between W and TFG is blinding.

Posted by: RWC at November 19, 2013 08:09 PM (LpbKr)

330 63 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House. Posted by: John McCain at November 19, 2013 10:40 PM (Pr6hk) You know we're all sick of your shit, right? Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2013 10:40 PM (8lmkt) I'd buy this lurker a drink. It is far better a reminder than "scoamf."

Posted by: DM at November 19, 2013 08:09 PM (LaKlJ)

331 "Soylent Green" is on the Turner Classic Movie Channel

set in 2022, where the population of NYC is 40 million

Posted by: stuff Sun Tzu said but didn't write down at November 19, 2013 08:10 PM (omBWL)

332 Go with P-90x.

Hell of a lot cheaper to break a DVD than a 360.

Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2013 12:06 AM (LpbKr)

Xbox Fitness comes with P-90X (it comes with every video BeachBody has done like Insanity and T25)

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 08:10 PM (vJdyz)

333 I don't think there is a semiphore badge anymore, but do not know for sure. There's talk of BSA establishing a "signal and sign" merit badge; not sure what it would include, but I have heard American Sign Language as one possibility.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 08:10 PM (JXtHh)

334 the Iranians have nothing to fear with John Kerry as Sec of State

Posted by: stuff Sun Tzu said but didn't write down at November 19, 2013 08:11 PM (omBWL)

335 Did you post that Kipling poem because The Mooch has now come out and started to support Obamacare? She's got to be more effective than her limp dick hubby. But then a ruptured duck would be more effective than her hubby.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 19, 2013 08:11 PM (dtuXM)

336 There's talk of BSA establishing a "signal and sign" merit badge; not sure what it would include, but I have heard American Sign Language as one possibility.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot

and gay hanky code?

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 08:11 PM (CMlD4)

337 That paint is oil based. OIL!

Posted by: Civility at November 19, 2013 08:12 PM (R6JT1)

338 Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2013 12:06 AM (LpbKr) Xbox Fitness comes with P-90X (it comes with every video BeachBody has done like Insanity and T25) Posted by: The Dude at November 20, 2013 12:10 AM (vJdyz) Damn. Looks so much easier watching it. BeachBody?

Posted by: RWC at November 19, 2013 08:12 PM (LpbKr)

339

now my wifes brother would get drunk and do semiphore flag signals(hi was Navy) to those who understood them from across the room.

I wonder what a slurred semiphore signal looks like?

Posted by: puddleglum at November 19, 2013 08:13 PM (8SsiG)

340 Meh, rip out all the oil stuff and put in a couple of nuclear reactors. The big deal is the fire control for the turrets. That would all have to be redone, but with fast serial interfaces, the mechanicals could probably be reduced to a few sliding contacts and mux interfaces on each end.

Now, there's like hundreds of wires with decaying cloth/rubber insulation. Quite a few spare wires were incorporated originally in anticipation of shorts, but most of the spares on all of the Iowas are already used up, so keeping that system is not viable

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 19, 2013 08:14 PM (Xlbr8)

341 the Iranians have nothing to fear with John Kerry as Sec of State

except Bibi

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 08:14 PM (CMlD4)

342 Laura Bush didn't come out sleeveless with leather pants. Did she not get the memo? That's the 'new normal' for the first lady.

Posted by: RWC at November 19, 2013 08:15 PM (LpbKr)

343 W and Leno actually pretty damn real

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at November 19, 2013 08:15 PM (rKXTk)

344
So do the LED's have a longer life than incandescents?

Also my wife watched the new season of Downton Abbey thru a proxy, just has the finale to go around Christmas. A couple of shocking things she said.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 19, 2013 08:15 PM (iGPSR)

345 Damn. Looks so much easier watching it. BeachBody?

Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2013 12:12 AM (LpbKr)

yeah, BeachBody is the company behind most of the big name workout videos. Like one achievement is 1000 workouts and shit

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 08:16 PM (vJdyz)

346 BSA's Sigbaling merit badge, which included semaphore, was retired, but then revived for one year (2010) to celebrate Scouting's centennial. Semaphore use was part of the "dialogue" in "The Last Detail", an early Jack Nicolson film (1973) in which Randy Quaid, Carol Kane and Gilda Radner also appeared.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 08:16 PM (8V4jN)

347 #335: Isn't a "ruptured duck" a Navy/Marine personnel who was honorably discharged? Or was it wounded on duty? Either way, of course such a person would be far more credible than President Obnoxious.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 19, 2013 08:17 PM (7KZod)

348 Posted by: DM at November 20, 2013 12:09 AM (LaKlJ) Being reminded of the demonstrated perfidy and incompetence of the RINO establishment ruling class is not a bad thing!

Posted by: Hrothgar Establishment RINO at November 19, 2013 08:17 PM (XdnQT)

349 "The BadBIOS scenario seems to depend on being installed on the other machine. Barring that (unlikely) mic bug thing, I don't seen any way to bootstrap onto a virgin machine that stands in isolation with no connectivity."

I think that the BadBIOS business illustrates that certain humans are flexible enough psychologically to have externalized cases of delusional parasitosis.

They should call it the Morgellons virus.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 08:18 PM (gqT4g)

350 So do the LED's have a longer life than incandescents?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2013 12:15 AM (iGPSR)

yes or at least majority of the current ones do.

Not looking forward to having one of the Hue bulbs burning out with their $60 price tag

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 08:18 PM (vJdyz)

351 Semaphore use was part of the "dialogue" in "The Last Detail", an early Jack Nicolson film (1973) in which Randy Quaid, Carol Kane and Gilda Radner also appeared. Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 20, 2013 12:16 AM (8V4jN) yes Randy Quaids character semaphored 'bye' 'bye' before he bolted

Posted by: (SHH+J) at November 19, 2013 08:19 PM (SHH+J)

352 Meh, rip out all the oil stuff and put in a couple of nuclear reactors. The big deal is the fire control for the turrets. That would all have to be redone, but with fast serial interfaces, the mechanicals could probably be reduced to a few sliding contacts and mux interfaces on each end.

Now, there's like hundreds of wires with decaying cloth/rubber insulation. Quite a few spare wires were incorporated originally in anticipation of shorts, but most of the spares on all of the Iowas are already used up, so keeping that system is not viable

Fill the huge number of unuseds spaces with aerogel and weld them off. Leave room to bearth 1000 Marines and some helos. Put in an acre of vertical launch tubes.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 08:19 PM (CMlD4)

353 If it takes more then a dozen, you might as well go nuke

Fleschette carrier reentry pod with ablative shielding. Ablative shield pops off at about 80k' AGL, GPS guided pod continues down to about 3k' AGL, then a small spring or charge "blossoms" the fleschette payload. By the time they hit the ground they're hauling ass and swiss-cheesing anything in a 500' radius.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 19, 2013 08:19 PM (Xlbr8)

354 Semaphore use was part of the "dialogue" in "The Last Detail", an early Jack Nicolson film (1973) in which Randy Quaid, Carol Kane and Gilda Radner also appeared.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 20, 2013 12:16 AM

and Michael Moriarty.

Posted by: otho at November 19, 2013 08:20 PM (9gNQd)

355 yeah, BeachBody is the company behind most of the big name workout videos. Like one achievement is 1000 workouts and shit Posted by: The Dude at November 20, 2013 12:16 AM (vJdyz) The best thing I bought recently was an adjustable kettlebell. Workout at the gym is ok but damn thr KB kills me.

Posted by: RWC at November 19, 2013 08:20 PM (LpbKr)

356 The best thing I bought recently was an adjustable kettlebell. Workout at the gym is ok but damn thr KB kills me. Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2013 12:20 AM (LpbKr) I moved to 16,24,25, 32, and 40 ounce beers so I'd get bigger bicepts for the win.

Posted by: (SHH+J) at November 19, 2013 08:23 PM (SHH+J)

357 329: W loves his country. TFG loves himself.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 19, 2013 08:23 PM (8SsiG)

358 Not looking forward to having one of the Hue bulbs burning out with their $60 price tag Posted by: The Dude at November 20, 2013 12:18 AM (vJdyz) if it lasts 7-10 years you will come out ahead.

Posted by: (SHH+J) at November 19, 2013 08:24 PM (SHH+J)

359 100w bulbs are dead.
All hail 95w bulbs.

Posted by: navybrat at November 19, 2013 08:25 PM (fWTAl)

360 Fleschette carrier reentry pod with ablative shielding. Ablative shield pops off at about 80k' AGL, GPS guided pod continues down to about 3k' AGL, then a small spring or charge "blossoms" the fleschette payload. By the time they hit the ground they're hauling ass and swiss-cheesing anything in a 500' radius.

We should have converted our old ICBMs to "conventional" weapons instead of demil them.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 08:25 PM (CMlD4)

361 Any day France and Mexico qualify for the world cup is a bad day. God dammit Ukraine you had one job!

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisble Pimp Hand at November 19, 2013 08:25 PM (nm27z)

362 Speaking of merit badges....24 hours of accounting and auditing, done.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 08:26 PM (T1005)

363 I bought incandescent light bulbs by the case a couple years ago. I should have enough for the rest of my life. I can't see by the curly kind. I also stocked up on Primatine Mist. It is good to keep track of things, so one has a little advance warning about what they are going to do to us next.

Posted by: Alana at November 19, 2013 08:26 PM (eBO0C)

364 "Meh, rip out all the oil stuff and put in a couple of nuclear reactors."

The idea of a nuclear powered Iowa class is completely awesome.

However, both nuclearization and gas turbine propulsion were looked at. It was going to run into a whole lot of money, awesomeness notwithstanding.

Note also that other than CVN, nuclear power has vanished from American naval surface combatants. One big reason? High schools now turn out only a tiny cohort of kids who can pass nuke school.

The handful of incoming sailors every year who can qualify are needed for the carriers and the subs, the two classes of vessel where nuclear power is essentially mandatory.

"Now, there's like hundreds of wires with decaying cloth/rubber insulation."

I have also been told that the Iowas have a pretty big whack of asbestos still on board. The 1980s recommissioning was supposed to strip all that out. Health and safety uber alles. But, the job was going to take forever. SECNAV Lehman found out and said, "Waivers. Get those ships off of the dock and out to the fleet pronto."

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 08:30 PM (gqT4g)

365 Next up: "The Comprehensive CFO: Tools and Metrics" -- which, having actually been a CFO, I expect to have nothing at all to do with the actual day-to-day.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 08:31 PM (T1005)

366

CFLÂ’s may prove useful as Â“The PeopleÂ’s Hand GrenadeÂ”. When the public union Democrats occupied the Wisconsin Capital to demonstrate their unwillingness to accept democratically elected government, I do believe they could have been cleared out with a couple dozen CFLÂ’s tossed from the rotunda balconies to shatter upon the cold smooth marble floors. A few plants to instigate hysteria with shouts of AIRBORN MERCURY POISON would have started the stampede to the doors. Nothing progressives fear more than their own mortality.

Posted by: Dane County WI at November 19, 2013 08:32 PM (LUuLj)

367 362 congrats. A friend of mine has to do 40 hours CE, I think for Florida. It's just a way of redistributing money if you ask me.

Posted by: Jane at November 19, 2013 08:32 PM (KDAAY)

368 But, the job was going to take forever.

Idiots weren't thinking right. Take it out quick and dirty with the dudes in space suits, then just do what the Navy does with everything -- PAINT IT. The paint will encapsulate all the loose bits and you're done.

Encapsulated asbestos isn't a problem.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 19, 2013 08:39 PM (Xlbr8)

369 If you want games that were disappointing that didn't come out over here, nothing beats Geppy-X a shmup that was setup as a anime tv show with commercials and all. It was the game that made me mod my PS1 to import it

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 08:44 PM (vJdyz)

370 You had me at Tucker & Dale vs. Evil. I'm gonna go walk it off.

Posted by: Boone at November 19, 2013 08:45 PM (3p8HS)

371 367 362 congrats. A friend of mine has to do 40 hours CE, I think for Florida. It's just a way of redistributing money if you ask me.

Posted by: Jane at November 20, 2013 12:32 AM (KDAAY)

In the People's Republic of CanIFuckYa, it used to be 80 hours every two years. Then it was 80 hours which had to include 8 hours of ethics, just in case you forgot what it meant to be honest over the last 24 months. Then it was ethics and civic responsibility, if you were thinking twice about ratting-out your friends -- and now it's 80 hours including ethics and civics and with a certain number of hours each year. Next, you're going to have to do the CPE while you extract cube roots in your head, standing outdoors in the nude and being drenched with icewater.....unless you've voted Democrat in the last six elections....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 08:46 PM (T1005)

372 decent reviews for the XBox One hardware

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 08:46 PM (vJdyz)

373 Next, you're going to have to do the CPE while you extract cube roots in your head, standing outdoors in the nude and being drenched with icewater.....unless you've voted Democrat in the last six elections....

Sounds worth it to not have vote for a D.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 08:49 PM (JawqV)

374 #322

This is why a good access to orbit capability is an essential national defense function. Which we've utterly failed to develop. The Air Force had a good start with the DCX but they gave it to NASA and NASA promptly destroyed it and put the program into the equivalent of Hollywood's Turnaround Hell.

Posted by: Epobirs at November 19, 2013 08:51 PM (bPxS6)

375 Trailer for Super Sonico the Animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d467Knc-kO4

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at November 19, 2013 08:54 PM (Vk2pI)

376 374 Next, you're going to have to do the CPE while you extract cube roots in
your head, standing outdoors in the nude and being drenched with
icewater.....unless you've voted Democrat in the last six elections....

Sounds worth it to not have vote for a D.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 20, 2013 12:49 AM (JawqV)

I'm livin' the dream....and hoping for a world where the Permanent Entrenched Bureaucracy isn't calling the shots.

Just imagine -- you could buy the health insurance and light bulbs you wanted, smoke some damn-assed slow prius when there was room to accelerate, and your uncle could get the shit that worked on his cancer instead of waiting for Medicare and the FDA to clusterfuck it sideways....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 08:55 PM (T1005)

377 I'd like to live in the world you've described, oh tentacled one. It sounds great, except for the part you left out about driving everyone mad and then eating them.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 08:59 PM (JawqV)

378 Damn, I'm still wiped out from all that running around I did on Sunday evening. And work expects me to show up tomorrow.

G'night, all!

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 19, 2013 09:00 PM (JawqV)

379 I will keep this promise. Count on it. If you like your President, ...........even if you don't......... you can keep me. Term after term after term. FDR got nothing on my reelectability! Next time, gonna replace Joey with Mooch, too. We can keep this going longer than Castro. I r teh Won!

Posted by: Barracks Oh! Bamama at November 19, 2013 09:02 PM (bDqG/)

380

Go Gators!!! No, not U of F but actual Gators. The coworker was watching that Chris Angel douche. Sadly the gators didn't get the chance to eat him or even wound him. Dammit!!

That TV show, Blacklisted, is alright. Flawed but ok. James Spader is fucking awsome. That blue eyed brunette is rather lovely. So's the Indian chick. The stories are ok for the most part though the on-going story arc is much more interesting. Wish I watched the first 3 episodes.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 19, 2013 09:05 PM (8SsiG)

381 "This is why a good access to orbit capability is an essential national defense function."

Unrecognized but true.

"Which we've utterly failed to develop. The Air Force had a good start with the DCX but they gave it to NASA and NASA promptly destroyed it"

Institutions get locked into certain courses of action and certain choices of program.

NASA of the era was still obsessed with Shuttle. Giving them anything other than Shuttle and expecting them to really passionately work to make that alternate system viable? A nonstarter.

I'm not sure that DC-X would have worked, but NASA's role in (a) fucking it up and then (b) quietly acceding to its cancellation was really pretty sad.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 09:10 PM (gqT4g)

382 Super Sonico the Animation no wonder comments are disabled.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 19, 2013 09:13 PM (5tMRX)

383

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 20, 2013 01:13 AM (5tMRX)

She's a crazy cat lady though. I'll only be watching for the plot and merch ideas

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 09:16 PM (vJdyz)

384 378 I'd like to live in the world you've described, oh tentacled one. It sounds great, except for the part you left out about driving everyone mad and then eating them.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 20, 2013 12:59 AM (JawqV)

What's wrong with that?!? It's not a bug, it's a feature.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 09:17 PM (T1005)

385 if she isn't tied to a bed with her snatch in the air at least once during the show I'll be disappointed

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 09:17 PM (vJdyz)

386 Don't look at me. I was aiming for Connelly. Got him, too, bit just barely. I didn't know all those other guys would be there that day with similar ideas. Awwk-ward!

Posted by: Zombie Lee Harvey Oswald at November 19, 2013 09:18 PM (p74mI)

387 Ole Rudyard was a skeered of de ladyfolk.

Smart dude. The Russians used to warn their personnel to save a bullet for themselves if the Afghans looked like they were going to capture them -- because they handed the captives over to the women too.

Then again, the Russians were known to kill everything that moved there and used a bit of torture themselves.

Retribution, how does it work?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 19, 2013 09:18 PM (wNF3N)

388 The "ruptured duck" was the lapel badge given to discharged troops during WWII - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorable_Service_Lapel_Button

Posted by: Garden of the Klingon Empress at November 19, 2013 09:23 PM (LSsdb)

389 Thx for the link from the Conservative Tree House. As they say it makes no sense that Ken Burns would give one copy of the Gettysburg address with "under God" to the other participants and without a mention of God just to Pres. Obama. As alexthchicked noted, it was just a passive aggressive swipe at the "wingnuts." He doesn't believe in God and he wants to let us know. God was simply an excuse for him to get ahead in the AA community.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 09:24 PM (23Kgq)

390 Super Sonico folks

http://bit.ly/I2x45J

Posted by: The Dude at November 19, 2013 09:28 PM (vJdyz)

391 Not the first time a game loaded with fan-service got an OVA or two. Again Suchie Pai pointed the way.

http://youtu.be/MGFKqPakJpQ

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 19, 2013 09:29 PM (5tMRX)

392 388 Ole Rudyard was a skeered of de ladyfolk.

Smart dude. The Russians used to warn their personnel to save a bullet for themselves if the Afghans looked like they were going to capture them -- because they handed the captives over to the women too.

Then again, the Russians were known to kill everything that moved there and used a bit of torture themselves.

Retribution, how does it work?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2013 01:18 AM (wNF3N)

It's not coming up in searches as easily as it used to.....there was a story in Alaska where a polar bear (world's largest land carnivore, BTW) eased into a parking lot and got close to a stroller next to an SUV.....whereupon the kid's grandmother managed to beat it to death barehanded.

Just for the record, that wasn't "drive it away" or "move the kid to safety". That's some granny taking on the world's largest carnivore with attitude and found objects....and leaving it dead on the pavement.

I've been using that link for years, and now it's buried behind Miley Cyrus polar bear porn.....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 09:30 PM (T1005)

393 "God was simply an excuse for him to get ahead in the AA community." I protest! I was never in Alcoholics Anonymous.

Posted by: Prezzizle SCOAAMF at November 19, 2013 09:31 PM (qG1i2)

394 381 Sadly the gators didn't get the chance to eat him or even wound him. we were rooting for the gators too cant stand chris angel hola peeps

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 19, 2013 09:32 PM (EazDf)

395 And, BTW -- the ladies that Kipling described are the ones worth fighting for.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 09:33 PM (T1005)

396 As they say it makes no sense that Ken Burns would give one copy of the Gettysburg address with "under God" to the other participants and without a mention of God just to Pres. Obama. As alexthchicked noted, it was just a passive aggressive swipe at the "wingnuts." He doesn't believe in God and he wants to let us know. God was simply an excuse for him to get ahead in the AA community.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2013 01:24 AM (23Kgq)

Ever read the interview with him where he discusses his faith before he became a Senator? You know where he says he attended Wrights sermons every single Sunday. His discussion about his faith belief and sin read about like that recent interview with the pope where he discussed how it could be possible for nonbelievers to still go to heaven. Of course I'm pretty sure a big part of that is being an admitted non-believer and not lying that you are religious.

Posted by: buzzion at November 19, 2013 09:40 PM (LI48c)

397 Posted by: cthulhu at November 20, 2013 01:30 AM (T1005)

I'd like to read that granny story if you ever find it. I hunted a bit for a link on the Afghan women thing too, with poor results.

I think searches are getting harder as more and more stuff gets put online.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 19, 2013 09:41 PM (wNF3N)

398 Night all. Here is "Opel" by Syd Barrett: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyZ5ESV-bU

Posted by: Kind Prisms Good Sir at November 19, 2013 09:52 PM (Vk2pI)

399 Purp's got a new thread up.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 19, 2013 10:06 PM (KlVdw)

400 SImple pleasures of the day: plants potted, towels washed, Cl filter changed, toilet flap replaced. Tomorrow: dresser dowel reglued and maybe 2nd coat of paint in the kitchen. Day After Tomorrow: thermonuclear war.

Posted by: Adriane... at November 19, 2013 10:09 PM (jdRXP)

401 118 Problem with LEDs is the unnaturally narrow spectrum of light they emit.

That narrow spectrum make viewing contrast very bad.
Notice that you can have a seemingly very bright light but see so badly.

I've seen some of the larger PAR38 LED bulbs that seem to have either multi-modal LEDs or a mixture of LEDs with different wavelengths to give a wider spectrum that is warm and doesn't have to contrast problem.

Posted by: Oscar Wilde at November 19, 2013 10:15 PM (e8kgV)

402 401 SImple pleasures of the day: plants potted, towels washed, Cl filter changed, toilet flap replaced.

Tomorrow: dresser dowel reglued and maybe 2nd coat of paint in the kitchen.

Day After Tomorrow: thermonuclear war.

Posted by: Adriane... at November 20, 2013 02:09 AM (jdRXP)

You do realize that paint can dry during thermonuclear war, don't you?

The overpressure/thermal wave helps glom the paint onto the surface.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 19, 2013 10:21 PM (T1005)

403 The overpressure/thermal wave helps glom the paint onto the surface. Crap! I'd better finishing paint striping the breakfast nook then.

Posted by: Adriane... at November 19, 2013 10:25 PM (jdRXP)

404 now my wifes brother would get drunk and do semiphore flag signals(hi was Navy) to those who understood them from across the room.

some mood music:

Wreckless Eric

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnvN1LEtUUw

Posted by: Les Banlieus Parisians at November 19, 2013 10:54 PM (AWwDY)

405 Newest webcomic discovery:
http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/

Foul-mouthed thief catgirl and her cultured zombie companion, lost on their quest.

Beautiful art, great characterization.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 19, 2013 10:59 PM (rm+Am)

406 Take it out quick and dirty with the dudes in space suits, then just do what the Navy does with everything -- PAINT IT. The paint will encapsulate all the loose bits and you're done.

Encapsulated asbestos isn't a problem.

Posted by: Purp at November 20, 2013 12:39 AM (Xlbr

That's what they ended up doing IIRC, along with the older carriers and everything else that was built before we knew asbestos was such a hazard. Forrestal was chock full of the shit, one of the inspections was to check to make sure all the lagging was painted/encapsulated.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 19, 2013 11:07 PM (xa1/W)

407 Off suburban sock!

Posted by: bill-o at November 19, 2013 11:11 PM (AWwDY)

408 361 Any day France and Mexico qualify for the world cup is a bad day. God dammit Ukraine you had one job!

Allez les Bleus! Mexico...meh

Posted by: bill-o at November 19, 2013 11:12 PM (AWwDY)

409 The thing about light bulbs is everyone should use the kind they want to use. It's the idea that the government has passed a law that says I can no longer buy incandescent bulbs that draws my anger. I like incandescent bulbs, I like the price and it should be up to me what I want to buy. As government should stay out of telling me what kind of health insurance I can buy or what kind of food I can buy they don't need to tell me what kind of light bulb I can buy. This crap of taking incandescent bulbs off the store shelves so I'm forced to buy what the nazi-government tells me to is so unamerican it makes me angry. What happened to land of the free? Let people make their choice. It's not like CFL's are perfect. And if this is the kind of sh*t they have time to do in Washington when we have real problems that need to be addressed then the fools need to do us all a favor and take a big cut in pay and go home.

Posted by: Case at November 19, 2013 11:12 PM (wf3Kt)

410 Amen Case!

Posted by: bill-o at November 19, 2013 11:17 PM (AWwDY)

411 Pining for the fjords this thread is

Posted by: bill-o at November 20, 2013 12:21 AM (AWwDY)

412 Nice ONT Maet I guess I crashed early.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2013 12:36 AM (9jfyN)

413 83 Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 10:45 PM (ZPrif)

Government is the word for things we do together like destroying the medical insurance business or banning fire hydrants....

//Barack T Ogabe

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2013 12:40 AM (9jfyN)

414 Just in case no one else covers it, the "sonic virus" is chemically pure bull shit. A $25,000 pair of Martin Logan speakers can just get into the ultrasonic range. The crappy little 20 mm speakers in your laptop? Or the 75 mm speakers sitting on your desk? They're doing well to hit 18 kHz. So, no, there is no 'sonic' virus, and there likely never will be.

Posted by: John W. at November 20, 2013 03:19 AM (PVBzL)

415 Just curious - do MEN like being told to calm down?

Posted by: I'mcalmalready at November 20, 2013 04:48 AM (biTnf)

416 What's the odds that VDH cries, like a baby while he writes his stuff.

Posted by: DFCtomm at November 20, 2013 12:14 PM (kSpUJ)

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