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November 04, 2013

Overnight Open Thread (11-4-2013)
— Maetenloch

Orson Scott Card: History's Greatest Monster

Because he has the same views on gay marriage that Barrack Obama did until just a year or two ago, all the bien pensant have agreed that Card is a horrible bigoted monster full of bigotry who must be driven out of all decent society. So no review of the movie, Ender's Game, is complete without a condemnation of the author himself.

Today comes Peter Debruge's review of Ender's Game. Debruge shows some restraint in waiting until the second paragraph before decrying Card's "anti-gay statements." So that's something, I guess. But then he circles back to kick Card again, writing:
Though Card may have publicly revealed his own prejudices, the casting department has assembled a wonderfully diverse group of actors - male and female, they come in all colors, shapes and sizes - to serve alongside Ender, including not only Latino best friend Bean (Aramis Knight) but also a fresh set of rivals and bullies, led by the odd-looking Bonzo ("Hannah Montana's" Moises Arias).
But of course it's not the "casting" department that's responsible for the ethnic diversity of Ender's Game. It's Card. All of those "wonderfully diverse" parts-Bean, Bonzo, Petra-were written as such by Card. I'm slightly surprised Debruge doesn't know that.

And Hollywood is wrapping itself up in knots trying to figure out the precisely perfect way to blacklist Card and all of his works. The squishy can't-we-all-get-along point of view is that of course his book should be boycotted but it's okay to see the movie (with the proper dispensations of course).

It's amusing to watch Hollywood types scramble about in a panicked effort to teach (tolerant, open-minded) progressives the best way to financially cripple an artist for holding political views they disapprove of. "No no, Hollywood is fine. We are the good people. The bad man is over there! Punish him for his heterodoxy!"

I can just see Dickey and others at The Wrap in the time of McCarthy, making lists of names of evil, evil communists to blacklist. "If you really want to hit Trumbo where it hurts, boycott Johnny Got His Gun and The Remarkable Andrew. That dirty commie still gets royalties from those works. But don't boycott the re-release of A Guy Named Joe! He won't earn cent one from that."

And Rachel Edidin in Orson Scott Card: Mentor, Friend, Bigot acknowledges all the support and kindness that Orson Scott Card showed her personally when she was a fledgling writer:

As a college student, I corresponded extensively with Orson Scott Card. For several years, I considered him a mentor and a friend. He was incredibly generous with his time and advice, and supportive of me as an aspiring fiction writer. I've had dinner at his home.

...The only time his beliefs came up in our conversations was a comment he made about fiction being a totally inappropriate venue for any kind of ideological proselytizing. I may not have agreed with his personal beliefs - I knew that he was an observant Mormon and at least somewhat politically conservative - but I respected and still respect the principle of not using fiction as a soap box

But because she's gay and Card committed an opinioncrime against gay marriage, he's now a hateful monster who must be burned.

Orson Scott Card is monstrously homophobic; he's racist; he advocates violence and lobbies against fundamental human rights and equates criticism of those stances with his own hate speech.
I would never, ever suggest that a student seek out his advice. I will not pay to see Ender's Game; I will never buy another copy.
...Card is a monster who helped me learn to write, an author of hateful screed whose novels taught lonely, angry kids compassion and gave them their first sense of home. None of those things makes the others go away.

And note the goal post shifting going on here - not supporting gay marriage == homophobia == hating gays == racism (?) == advocating violence against gays == being a monster in human form.

And if you're curious, a picture of the vile fiend that walks the Earth under the name 'Orson Scott Card' can be found below the fold. If you can stand it - for some say his mere image alone can smother pets and deprive people of rights. You have been warned.

Full disclosure: I read Ender's Game about 13 years ago and was underwhelmed. I found Ender kind of a boring character and could see the twist coming about halfway through the book. I think it would have worked better as a short story.

Did We Lose a War or Something?

Because how else do you explain this guy being an Department of Homeland Security advisor?

Venezuela Creates MiniHappy

For enforcement - not supply.

President Nicolas Maduro says the new Vice Ministry of Supreme Social Happiness will coordinate all the "mission" programs created by the late President Hugo Chavez to alleviate poverty.
Wags had a field day Friday, waxing sarcastic on Twitter about how happy they felt less than 24 hours after the announcement.

Oil-rich Venezuela is chronically short of basic goods and medical supplies. Annual inflation is running officially at near 50 percent and the U.S. dollar now fetches more than seven times the official rate on the black market.
...Housewife Liliana Alfonzo, 31, said that instead of a Supreme Happiness agency she'd prefer being able to get milk and toilet paper, which disappear off store shelves minutes after arriving at stores.

China and the Long Nuclear Game

Nuke 12 million Americans? The other 305 million will fully support trying to knock your population back below a billion before demanding your surrender before we cut it in half. Even th most passive parts of the nation can get quite bloody minded. The Yankees killed a few hundred thousand of my countrymen on a point of political order - so just be careful.

...Well, if nothing else, it looks like China isn't interested in nuking Dixie or most of the red states. Deer season is still a go.

Unless China wants to learn about full unrestricted Jacksonian fury the hard way, they better figure out a way to take out the South utterly and completely.

Whatever Happened to the Deliverance Banjo Boy?

Not a professional actor nor a banjo player nor inbred.

Healthcare.gov Usability FAIL

Jakob Nielsen has been doing practical web page usability research since the very earliest days of the web. Here his group takes a look at the ObamaCare website and finds major usability FAILs that make it worse than the average commercial web site circa 2003.

Arsenic Nation

Luckily we have the EPA to demand that nature clean itself the fuck up.

Worst Beauty Treatment Ever

If you have a penis, you don't want to click on the link. Seriously just scroll down to the picture or something.

The Yahoo AoSHQ group. Bla bla bla.

And my twitter thang.

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Posted by: Maetenloch at 06:14 PM | Comments (645)
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1 Hello Maet!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 06:15 PM (DmNpO)

2 Quick tweet plug: Jeff Kennedy ‏@JeffOutLoud 4m Water main breaks at the tip of a penis shaped church in DIXon, Illinois. You can't make this shit up. http://t.co/sxYx86Gryp

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 06:15 PM (DmNpO)

3 My favorite clip from Deliverance. My least favorite, that ckufing hand that rises from the lake at the end.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 06:17 PM (DmNpO)

4 Saw Ender's Game on Friday. It blew.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at November 04, 2013 06:18 PM (5H6zj)

5 HELLOOOOO! ......HELLOOOOO! ..............HELLOOOOO! Is anybody there???? ......there???? ............there????

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 06:18 PM (DmNpO)

6 reports of a gunman opening fire at NJ Plaza Mall

live video

http://is.gd/Posmcz

Posted by: Jose at November 04, 2013 06:19 PM (zc/sw)

7 The Orson Scott Card hatefest really pisses me off. I don't give a shit about gay marriage, but holy christ that one article from the woman who said he had been immensely helpful and a mentor and friend to her, but then called him a hateful bigot...ugh.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 06:19 PM (n/+FT)

8 Jets GOAL!!!! 4-2 Winnipeg!!!

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 06:19 PM (4BA+Y)

9 WSOP final table live on ESPN in case anyone interested. Everyone here is (was) quite disappointed that dad took over the living room TV for the night.

Posted by: UWP at November 04, 2013 06:20 PM (fdXMW)

10 People who predict endings to movies or books Hate America. When I read a book or watch a movie, I'm along for the ride.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at November 04, 2013 06:20 PM (E8IHS)

11 NINE!

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 04, 2013 06:20 PM (lq3Ak)

12 >Unless China wants to learn about full unrestricted Jacksonian fury the hard way, they better figure out a way to take out the South utterly and completely. High-altitude nuclear explosion, round-eye.

Posted by: Chi-Coms at November 04, 2013 06:20 PM (ZyqBH)

13 Children Taught to Kill Based on Race and Religion Wisconsin talk show host Vicki McKenna uncovered an odious school assignment for an English class where students are told to choose who dies based on a hypothetical lifeboat situation. Some of the factors that the students are taught to ponder include the race and religion of the survivors, including a Mormon who Â“sympathizes with anti-black views.Â” More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=3782

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 04, 2013 06:21 PM (Vk2pI)

14 It been a long time since I looked at various SIOP options, but that Chinese strategy seems to be full of fail. As a political exercise, releasing it might just push a few Western liberal Senator into a more accommodating stance vice BMD.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 06:21 PM (CMlD4)

15 I have it on very good authority that the nation simply won't tolerate so-con warriors like Card. QED.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at November 04, 2013 06:21 PM (5H6zj)

16 What the hell?! ‏ @PzFeed 4m BREAKING UPDATE: PEOPLE INSIDE THE GARDEN STATE MALL HIDING IN CLOSETS AND IN THE BATHROOMS AFTER SHOTS FIRED AND SUSPECT AT LARGE.

Posted by: Thrawn at November 04, 2013 06:21 PM (ZyqBH)

17 Oh dammit what the hell! Why oh why would you post that eel story!!

Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 06:22 PM (oYdce)

18 I was commenting on the book thread yesterday about the whole demonizing of Orson Scott card that is going on. What gets me is how they are in some cases saying that Enders Game itself reveals Card's homophobic views. I said yesterday and I will repeat today I am sick to death of the racism gender lgbt agenda being cast onto books written years ago that contain no such nonsense.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 04, 2013 06:22 PM (RZ8pf)

19 Ok, conflicting reports....shooter left the mall....shooter still in the mall.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 06:23 PM (bCEmE)

20 Approval rating 40 percent. Fucking mass shooting time.

Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 06:23 PM (oYdce)

21 So that was an interesting story about banjo kid. I noticed the writer couldn't help but take a jab at Walmart workers.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at November 04, 2013 06:24 PM (u25eL)

22 Ender's Game was originally a short story. After publication, Card went back to it and rewrote it into a full-length novel.

As for Hollywood hypocrisy, lets not forget that everyone of them who is calling Card a monster for his personal views on SSM think Roman Polanski is the cat's meow.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at November 04, 2013 06:24 PM (FDGeg)

23 17 Oh dammit what the hell! Why oh why would you post that eel story!! Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 10:22 PM (oYdce) Think of it as a cautionary tale - don't share a tub with eels. Softer skin just aint worth it.

Posted by: Thrawn at November 04, 2013 06:25 PM (ZyqBH)

24 "But of course it's not the "casting" department that's responsible for the ethnic diversity of Ender's Game. It's Card. All of those "wonderfully diverse" parts-Bean, Bonzo, Petra-were written as such by Card. I'm slightly surprised Debruge doesn't know that." Oddly Mazer Rockham was an Israeli instead of a Maori. "Full disclosure: I read Ender's Game about 13 years ago and was underwhelmed. I found Ender kind of a boring character and could see the twist coming about halfway through the book. I think it would have worked better as a short story." It originally WAS a much shorter novella.

Posted by: cackfinger at November 04, 2013 06:25 PM (OsCtd)

25 Oh you really want to start the war between the states?

Guard Bureau in DC is trying to order state National Guards to issue military ID cards to same sex partners. SecDef Hagel says the refusals reflect 'prejudice.'

http://tinyurl.com/prmh4ar

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 06:27 PM (uz+9b)

26 What gets me is how they are in some cases saying that Enders Game itself reveals Card's homophobic views. ------- I didn't see any of that, but it did occur to me as I was suffering through the movie that pedophiles would probably love the movie. Really creepy vibe in that movie.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at November 04, 2013 06:27 PM (5H6zj)

27 Think of it as a cautionary tale - don't share a tub with eels. Softer skin just aint worth it. Posted by: Thrawn at November 04, 2013 10:25 PM (ZyqBH) Beauty is pain. Uh, yeah. Nope.

Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 06:28 PM (LpbKr)

28 15 No, certain segments of the nation, segments unable to articulate why they are for in terms able to sway in a way that could fill anything more than a comment box. So they rely on an intellectual mob instead. I'm beginning to tease out the arguments they should be making that would convince the non-convinced, but since gaydom really isn't a hobbyhorse of mine, it goes about as fast as fdt as it goes. As far as the So-Cons--at least they have a code that is bigger than themselves. I respect that.

Posted by: T. at November 04, 2013 06:29 PM (xrkJj)

29 looks like SWAT team moving in to NJ mall

http://www.myfoxny.com/category/237002/skyfoxhd

Posted by: Jose at November 04, 2013 06:30 PM (zc/sw)

30 America an islamic country? What a fucking retard.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at November 04, 2013 06:30 PM (FMbng)

31 Can't nuke Texas. That's...a problem for China.

Posted by: Lauren at November 04, 2013 06:31 PM (hFL/3)

32 I haven't read Ender's Game, but I did read Empire, which I thought was quite good. I didn't know anything about Card or his politics at that point. I just thought it was a good book.

Posted by: JohnJ at November 04, 2013 06:31 PM (TF/YA)

33 Everytime some liberal "thought cop" gets in my face about boycotting "Enders Game" I simply say " Margaret Sanger was a total racist who favored sterilizing the inferior races" Why are you not boycotting ABORTION CLINICS in protest of the founder of the abortion movement which was advocating aborton the unborn children of the "inferior races"

Posted by: blofeld at November 04, 2013 06:31 PM (tlPCG)

34 Good grief! Shit ton of LEO's at that mall!

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 06:31 PM (bCEmE)

35 Beauty is pain. Uh, yeah. Nope. Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 10:28 PM Besides, what self-respecting male would want softer skin?

Posted by: Thrawn at November 04, 2013 06:31 PM (ZyqBH)

36 Hagel said the adjutant generals, though they work for their statesÂ’ governors, Â“will be expected to complyÂ” with Pentagon policy on this issue.

from that NG story, hahahah

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 06:31 PM (CMlD4)

37 And the bigotry against Card is exactly why Kevin Du Jan calls them the "gaystapo". They have yet to prove him wrong.

Posted by: Saber Alter at November 04, 2013 06:31 PM (ohtdI)

38 The Houston Press guy says this: "Reconciling the fact that plenty of great art was created by people you wouldn't piss on if they were on fire is a tricky proposition." But, he does go on to mention Polaski and others. I enjoyed the story. The Left's hate fest against Card is obscene. Now, I plan on seeing the movie but based on the trailers it doesn't look promising.

Posted by: Chris at November 04, 2013 06:31 PM (aBOfW)

39 That Jim Angle tweet is a little worrisome.

Posted by: megthered at November 04, 2013 06:32 PM (iR4Dg)

40 Yeah so glad those Muslims helped win the Revolutionary War. They also came to the rescue during the Civil War. Heck, let's face it, without the Muslims World War 1 and 2 would have not gone in America's favor.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 04, 2013 06:32 PM (RZ8pf)

41 Good evening, Horde. I hurt all over. Today was three hours of yoga, and I'm on both Naproxen and Ibuprofen with no relief in sight. In better news, I'm sitting at an average of 98% overall. And I am reading Dr. Ben Carson's book for my psych class. I have to write a paper detailing how he is self-actualized.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 06:32 PM (N/cFh)

42 Good grief! Shit ton of LEO's at that mall!

Posted by: Tami at November 04, 2013 10:31 PM (bCEmE)

Its frigging jersey, even a little shit postage stamp of a rural town has a small army here.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at November 04, 2013 06:33 PM (FMbng)

43 I simply say 'Margaret Sanger was a total racist who favored sterilizing the inferior races" Why are you not boycotting ABORTION CLINICS in protest of the founder of the abortion movement which was advocating aborton the unborn children of the "inferior races" Feature, not a bug?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 04, 2013 06:33 PM (HsTG8)

44 I suspect that I would rather spend an afternoon with the banjo guy talking about Rabun county (pretty country, btw), then 5 minutes with Burt Reynolds talking about Hollywood. The final comment "Yes, how dare Burt Reynolds stereotype you, guy who works at Walmart" is emblematic of the contempt that media types hold for ordinary working people.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 06:33 PM (aDwsi)

45 I'm your advanced resolution specialist.

Posted by: Joey Biden at November 04, 2013 06:34 PM (H0R/1)

46 31 Can't nuke Texas. That's...a problem for China. Posted by: Lauren at November 04, 2013 10:31 PM (hFL/3) Actually, they can with their DF-31A ICBMs. While their "leaked" strategy doesn't mention Texas in particular (focusing on the West Coast), you can bet Texas would be on any serious Chi-Com target list. btw, in the book One Second After, in the aftermath of the EMP pulse that cripples America, Texas is annexed by the Mexicans. This is to make a buffer zone against the Chi-Com's half-million-strong landing party in the West Coast.

Posted by: Thrawn at November 04, 2013 06:35 PM (ZyqBH)

47 The ENDA vote in the Senate still pisses me off. A whole bunch of Republicans voted for that. Soon, you will be faced with either having to call a man a woman, because he likes wearing a pink tutu, or be hit with charges of creating a "hostile work environment." There are four fingers. There are four lights. Men are not women, nor women men. I will, then, be a toadÂ…

Posted by: The Political Toad at November 04, 2013 06:35 PM (Vk2pI)

48 Today was three hours of yoga, and I'm on both Naproxen and Ibuprofen .. ------------------------ There's a Henny Youngman joke here, I think..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 06:36 PM (aDwsi)

49 Dragonhead, small army of cops outside the mall 15min after the shooting started and high property taxes vs 5-10 armed citizens in the mall before the nutjob shows up AND low taxes, hmmmm

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 06:36 PM (CMlD4)

50 Jean, exactly. Hagel is being the perfectly stupid tool that Gaylord wanted.

I have met Collins while working at State HQ. Back when he was merely a Colonel. Always struck me as a very competent good guy.

And the standard joke among the state guard units is, the ones in DC are the idiots that everyone across the country dumped there just to get the mission done.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 06:36 PM (uz+9b)

51 Jets beat the Red Wings, 4-2!!!!

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 06:36 PM (4BA+Y)

52 45 I'm your advanced resolution specialist. Posted by: Joey Biden at November 04, 2013 10:34 PM (H0R/1) And for Christmas you'd like to get books chock full of math word problems that involve trainsÂ… emirate?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 04, 2013 06:36 PM (HsTG8)

53 The funny thing is people who read Songbird will see a book that tackles a young abused/brainwashed choir boy from an academy.guild that lends singers to powerful people willingly (in so far as a minor can) becomes a catamite and seed his older "lover" castrated for touching him. People read a Planet called Treason sees a eugenic culture that turns regenerative mutants into organ farms. People who read Hart's Hope will see a fantasy of a ruthless conspiracy of gods to overthrow a witch who is a victim of a brutal rape by a conqueror seeing vengeance that is arguably quite just at least in the beginning. Wyrms has a young woman raised as an assassin who exists to let and alien monster that rules the world attempt to impregnate her with something so she can kill it as it lays weak and exhausted by the act. He made a tacky pulpy novel called Hot Sleep that reads like something Piers Anthony would have done at his oddest, or Heinlein might have done in his Dirty Old Man mode, and then he rewrote it as a grandiose and boring multigenerational "SAGA " called The Worthing Saga. The dude writes some pretty weird stuff. And most of that was written before the mid 90's. The idea that he's a fundamentalist prude who hates gays is pretty much garbage. But as pointed out, not approving of anything homeosexuals want as a client group of the left is hate as far as they are concerned. Political correctness came in the mid 70's, the mid 90's and now again since 2008. It always hangs around and grows until people get tired of it and start hitting back and viciously and routinely mocking the SHIT out of the fools who bow to it until they anticipate being seen as insufferable scolding a-holes and weenies.

Posted by: cackfinger at November 04, 2013 06:37 PM (OsCtd)

54 God bless yoga pants

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 06:37 PM (vJdyz)

55 While their "leaked" strategy doesn't mention Texas in particular (focusing on the West Coast), you can bet Texas would be on any serious Chi-Com target list.

But Annapolis is?

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 06:37 PM (CMlD4)

56 This is to make a buffer zone against the Chi-Com's half-million-strong landing party in the West Coast. Posted by: Thrawn ------------------- For 'Emergency Relief'...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 06:37 PM (aDwsi)

57 I'm in the minority, but I saw nothing sinister in the Jim Angle story, based on what he'd tweeted anyway. He's an on-camera journalist with a pretty distinctive voice and name. (I'm pretty sure I would have recognized him, especially if the address he gave was DC-area.) They'd had that incident a couple of weeks ago when Hannity interviewed one of the Obamacare phone people. I just assume that the company had emphasized with the phone folks that they should not answer reporters' questions, but direct them to someone up the chain. I may hate Obamacare and all associated with it with the intensity of a thousand suns, but that policy seems pretty standard to me.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at November 04, 2013 06:37 PM (5H6zj)

58 The final comment "Yes, how dare Burt Reynolds stereotype you, guy who works at Walmart" is emblematic of the contempt that media types hold for ordinary working people. *** I thought that was a pretty cheap comment. Heaven forbid a man do an honest day's work.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 06:37 PM (DmNpO)

59 nice ont maet....

arsenic, old lace, and nukes.....

I'm not sure I'd back retaliation anymore

Posted by: sven10077 at November 04, 2013 06:37 PM (9jfyN)

60 Dragonhead, small army of cops outside the mall 15min after the shooting started and high property taxes vs 5-10 armed citizens in the mall before the nutjob shows up AND low taxes, hmmmm

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 10:36 PM (CMlD4)

Yeah no argument from me at all.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at November 04, 2013 06:38 PM (FMbng)

61 Tonight's post brought to you by very special custom HealthCare.gov ~~monitoring~~ 'service'':

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Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 04, 2013 06:39 PM (d7tB2)

62 ‏@NewsBreaker 55s RIGHT NOW: Witnesses tell @JessicaWCBSWLNY they saw injured in NJ Garden State mall

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 06:39 PM (bCEmE)

63 WSOP final table live on ESPN in case anyone interested. Everyone here is (was) quite disappointed that dad took over the living room TV for the night.

Posted by: UWP at November 04, 2013 10:20 PM (fdXMW)

Watching assholes play poker on TV is only slightly more boring than watching assholes play golf on TV.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 06:39 PM (8Fl6F)

64 And for Christmas you'd like to get books chock full of math word problems that involve trainsÂ… emirate? Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars And paste. Lots of paste in my stocking. Definitely a lot of paste.

Posted by: Rainman Biden at November 04, 2013 06:39 PM (v6hyJ)

65 Good evening, Horde. I hurt all over. Today was three hours of yoga, and I'm on both Naproxen and Ibuprofen with no relief in sight. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 10:32 PM (N/cFh) Where is Weirddave!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: Vendette at November 04, 2013 06:40 PM (YfL5v)

66 Watching assholes play poker on TV is only slightly more boring than watching assholes play golf on TV. ---- At least with golf you get nice scenery.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at November 04, 2013 06:40 PM (5H6zj)

67 But Annapolis is? Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 10:37 PM (CMlD4) Perhaps they are thinking about the US Naval Academy there too? *shrugs*

Posted by: Thrawn at November 04, 2013 06:41 PM (ZyqBH)

68 If you read between the lines on the ChiCom strategy paper it basically says "our missiles aren't accurate enough to even try a first strike against the American counterforce silos and our subs don't have the legs to make it to the Atlantic to try a decapitation strike on DC." Not sure how they think some fallout is going to effect the misslemen in their silos, and they don't even think about the D5s they can't detect.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 06:41 PM (CMlD4)

69 watching assholes play golf on TV. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 10:39 PM (8Fl6F) Watching assholes play golf on TV is more boring than watching dog shit dry up and turn grey in the sun.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 04, 2013 06:41 PM (HsTG8)

70 Best thing about nuking the Chinese? A half hour later, you want to nuke some more. Boom!

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 06:41 PM (doBIb)

71 Seriously....I have never seen this many Leo's. News 12 http://tinyurl.com/mnwjlvg

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 06:42 PM (bCEmE)

72 Good evening!

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 06:42 PM (doBIb)

73 I was actually going to share that story about the banjo guy on FB until I saw the last comment. My daughter would have gotten a kick out of seeing what became of him. Guess I will just have to relay the story to her.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at November 04, 2013 06:42 PM (u25eL)

74 For 'Emergency Relief'... Posted by: Mike Hammer

and to pick up their H-1B visas

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 06:43 PM (CMlD4)

75 I've read a few OSC novels, and overall he doesn't impress me that much (other than being a successful novelist with a shitton of published books to his name). But the hate must flow.

And Deliverance is one of my favorite movies, considering that it doesn't exactly portray good ole boys in the best light (I'm Southern born and raised, fuck you very much).

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 06:43 PM (wNF3N)

76 71 Seriously....I have never seen this many Leo's. News 12 http://tinyurl.com/mnwjlvg Posted by: Tami at November 04, 2013 10:42 PM (bCEmE) There's an astrology joke in there somewhere...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 04, 2013 06:43 PM (HsTG8)

77 Heck, let's face it, without the Muslims World War 1 and 2 would have not gone in America's favor.

A pretty damn strong argument could be made for the Muslims in World War 1, actually. TE Lawrence fuckin' up the Turks' game? All those Indians who fought in the trenches?

Granted, in WW2 the dÃ¢r al-islÃ¢mi was decidedly on the other side.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 04, 2013 06:43 PM (d7tB2)

78 Watching assholes play poker on TV is only slightly more boring than watching assholes play golf on TV. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 10:39 PM (8Fl6F) --Yeah, I'm supposed to be impressed by a prick who wears shades and a ballcap for playing poker.

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 06:43 PM (4BA+Y)

79 Just got back from my first city council meeting. Small town. For you Frisco-Yorker-Chicagoites types, so small it doesn't even exist. Was asked to go by council member up the street over mailbox issue. Did I say it was a small town? Stuck around for most of the rest. It's past my bed time so I can't one finger type it out one fingered on the fone but people wanting to tear down schools, build new schools, millions in roads and buildings to do it. I spoke up some, imagine that. Left going Grrrrr. Love each other fellow babies.

Posted by: teej at November 04, 2013 06:43 PM (AoY8i)

80 There's an astrology joke in there somewhere... Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 04, 2013 10:43 PM (HsTG

LOL!

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 06:43 PM (bCEmE)

81 So has the wild assed speculation by the MSM about the NJ shooter started yet?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 04, 2013 06:43 PM (RZ8pf)

82 So if China is gonna nuke the west coast, will they accept targeting suggestions?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 04, 2013 06:44 PM (fZ2Zr)

83 TPH, I made it about five minutes into this live action called Switch Girl. I called it quits after that and used mental floss. What the heck?

http://tinyurl.com/ns4h6mx

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 06:44 PM (uz+9b)

84 the MSM is in full coverup mode WABC top of the hour news (Levin/Savage) leads with the new gay rights bill and ignores Obamacare. When Levin renews his contract maybe he can demand his own new staff like Imus.

Posted by: Avi at November 04, 2013 06:44 PM (Ie49R)

85 A man comes home from a night of drinking. As he falls through the doorway, his wife snaps at him, "What's the big idea coming home half drunk?" The man replies, "I'm sorry honey. I ran out of money."

Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at November 04, 2013 06:44 PM (QupBk)

86 Watching assholes play golf on TV is more boring than watching dog shit dry up and turn grey in the sun. Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars You seem to have a lot of spare time on your hands, and spend it in odd ways, but that's okay here!! You know, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Posted by: George Constanza at November 04, 2013 06:45 PM (v6hyJ)

I read Ender's Game as a short story about 25 years ago. If I'm not mistaken, Card did at least three versions of it - short story, short novel, then huge cyclical thing with Speaker for the Dead. The short story was excellent.

I've read a lot of Card's fiction over the years, and I don't see any anti-gay or intolerant attitudes at all. He does address religion and spirituality more than most sci-fi authors, but he comes across as a very compassionate and reasonable guy.

Posted by: Penultimatum at November 04, 2013 06:45 PM (EEUs4)

88 Poker on TV would be improved a lot with Derringers and cheating.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 04, 2013 06:45 PM (fZ2Zr)

89 Okay, beat this, Salon has an article saying that a woman has been falsely portrayed as a "victim" of Obamacare, because after subsidies, her monthly premium ONLY doubles, rather than increases 10-fold. How low in the barrel are you reaching where doubling a premium is a victory?

Posted by: Boone at November 04, 2013 06:46 PM (tIyK2)

90 54 God bless yoga pants Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 10:37 PM (vJdyz) --- There's only so much we can do, Dude.

Posted by: Yoga Pants at November 04, 2013 06:46 PM (N/cFh)

91 And the bigotry against Card is exactly why Kevin Du Jan calls them the "gaystapo". They have yet to prove him wrong.

Posted by: Saber Alter at November 04, 2013 10:31 PM (ohtdI)

The fact that there is a gaystapo capable of applying such cultural pressure is an indication of far past the point of no return we are.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 06:46 PM (3qZbZ)

92 Didn't know anything about the plot for "Ender's Game" before I saw the film on Halloween. Loved it! And, yes, I went BECAUSE the gays are being such douches. I'm sick of lefties telling me what I can and cannot believe. This is America; I get to believe what I like, and as long as no one is getting hurt physically, then get over it! Nobody is harmed if I disagree with gay marriage. As for this being a "muslim country" -- as far as muslims are concerned, if there's one muslim there, it's a muslim country. See the history of Yugoslavia, with power struggles between religious groups going back 1500 years. That'll be the whole world, soon enough...

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 06:47 PM (GNZ0/)

93 @NewsBreaker 53s NOW: @JessicaWCBSWLNY Chills as people recounting what they saw & heard. They say @ least 2 shooters in full body armor; at least 2 injured Hmmm...I'm doubting the 2 shooters report.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 06:47 PM (bCEmE)

94 So, the old alma mater president has been on a kick recently praising vets, at a place that had ignored them, shoved the ROTCs as far into a corner as possible, and placed the WWII memorials in as obscure spot as possible. Yeah, based upon recent events the school looks good, but I believe the legal principle is that exculpatory acts that occur *after* the crime are non-admissible.

Posted by: T. at November 04, 2013 06:47 PM (xrkJj)

95 Seems like all these "Shooter" events keep happening in places with pretty strict gun laws/ restrictions already in place. Makes one wonder, hhhmmmmm......

Posted by: lindafell at November 04, 2013 06:47 PM (PGO8C)

96 Poker on TV would be improved a lot with Derringers and cheating.

and "hostesses" in low bodices

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 06:47 PM (CMlD4)

Poker on TV would be improved a lot with Derringers and cheating.

Each player should have a designated Playmate that loses an article of clothing for each lost hand.

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2013 06:48 PM (DFCJt)

98 88 Poker on TV would be improved a lot with Derringers and cheating. Posted by: Purp at November 04, 2013 10:45 PM (fZ2Zr) Toss in drinking and smoking and call it "Smoking Aces"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 04, 2013 06:48 PM (HsTG8)

99 Never heard of Rachel Edidin, but reading the above, she seems like a thankless twat. Clearly BEING gay is more important to her than BEING a writer. "Ender's Game" was a decent movie, but the story was very truncated from the book. It would have been better served by a mini-series.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 04, 2013 06:48 PM (Zswg6)

100

What minorities do not understand...

When someone helps you... and you then call them a bigot... do you really think they will help OTHERS of your type?

Do you really think it helps your cause? Especially when your minority status is SELF IMPOSED????

How the F can anyone tell if you are a LESBIAN, unless you TELL them you are? How can they discriminate unless YOU set yourself apart???

It aint like you are Black... where your minority status us apparent from appearance....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 04, 2013 06:48 PM (lZBBB)

101 66 >> At least with golf you get nice scenery.

I beg to differ, madam Y-not:

http://www.maxim.com/girls/16-hottest-poker-players

Possibly NSFW since it is Maxim.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 06:48 PM (wNF3N)

102 65 Good evening, Horde. I hurt all over. Today was three hours of yoga, and I'm on both Naproxen and Ibuprofen with no relief in sight. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 10:32 PM (N/cFh) Where is Weirddave!?!?!?!?! Posted by: Vendette at November 04, 2013 10:40 PM (YfL5v) --- And just what would he do?

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 06:48 PM (N/cFh)

103 I've always had some respect for the Albanians, but as far as I'm concerned Bosnian Muslims are just Serbs who turned coat to get privileges from the Sultan.

No sympathy at all for them over here.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 04, 2013 06:49 PM (d7tB2)

104 88 Poker on TV would be improved a lot with Derringers and cheating.

Posted by: Purp at November 04, 2013 10:45 PM (fZ2Zr)

Nah.... 6 guns... and aces and eights...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 04, 2013 06:49 PM (lZBBB)

105 >>>Not a professional actor nor a banjo player nor inbred.<<<

Interestingly, Ned Beatty still likes to get down on all fours, drop trou, and squeal like a pig.

Posted by: Fritz at November 04, 2013 06:50 PM (TKFmG)

106

twitter chatter says police on scanners think the shooter in the Paramus Mall may be trying to steal, hence shooting out the security cameras

its happened before at other malls in NJ where shots were fired in a mall to rob a jewelry store. Happened in the Menlo Park Mall about 5 years ago.

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 06:50 PM (zOTsN)

107 Nah.... 6 guns... and aces and eights... The Dead Man's hand.

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 06:50 PM (doBIb)

108 Albania is a hive of scum and villainy.

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2013 06:50 PM (DFCJt)

109 And just what would he do? Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 10:48 PM (N/cFh) Full body massage?

Posted by: Vendette at November 04, 2013 06:50 PM (YfL5v)

110 i thought the banjo boy was Todd Aiken.

Posted by: Avi at November 04, 2013 06:50 PM (Ie49R)

111 Ender's Game was a short story he turned into a novel.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 04, 2013 06:51 PM (ZPrif)

112 109 And just what would he do? Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 10:48 PM (N/cFh) Full body massage? With aromatherapy.

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 06:51 PM (doBIb)

113

Would yÂ¡Â¯all please say an extra prayer for the family of DD#1Â¡Ã¤s best friend? Her father passed away today after a year-long battle with pancreatic cancer. He was a beloved teacher at their HS, and both DD#1 and DD#3 had classes with him.

DD#1 is quite upset by the news; sheÂ¡Â¯s seeing if she can arrange her schedule to get down here for the funeral next Monday. I think she wants to hug her Daddy as well.

Thanks so much Â¨C

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 04, 2013 06:51 PM (PZ6/M)

114 TPH, I made it about five minutes into this live action called Switch Girl. I called it quits after that and used mental floss. What the heck? http://tinyurl.com/ns4h6mx Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 10:44 PM (uz+9b) I seen a bit of the manga it's based on. Guess as a I guy I don't find it that repulsive? Or am I just being a cis-normative oppressor?

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at November 04, 2013 06:51 PM (Vk2pI)

115

Happened in the Menlo Park Mall about 5 years ago.

All I did was tell him the Easter Bunny at the Menlo Park Mall was more convincing.

Posted by: Brodie at November 04, 2013 06:51 PM (DFCJt)

116 Edidin is probably getting far more search hits right now after slandering Card than she ever did as a hack writer.

What was that adage? Something about 'how sharper than a serpent's tooth...'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 06:52 PM (uz+9b)

117 "I will never again doubt my culture's devotion to bacon." http://tinyurl.com/lbnaz89

Posted by: crisis du jour at November 04, 2013 06:52 PM (xviIo)

118 Report on twitter is Aaron Rodgers has a broken left collarbone.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 06:52 PM (bCEmE)

119 The breakup of Yugoslavia with its attendant conflicts seemed to be a never ending exercise in establishing the pecking order.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 04, 2013 06:52 PM (HsTG8)

120 Ugh, fucking Packers

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 06:53 PM (vJdyz)

121 excuse me........ TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 06:53 PM (jiXse)

122 The Gay Mafia got DC Comics to blackball Orson Scott Card. They hired him to write a few issues of Superman, do a story arc. But the Gay Fascists called for a boycott, and then a bunch artists at DC said they would never work with such an evil hitlerkkkmonster.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 04, 2013 06:53 PM (ZPrif)

123 TD Bears

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 06:53 PM (4BA+Y)

124

So, has NCJ ordered his McCowan Jersey yet?

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2013 06:53 PM (DFCJt)

125 A salesman knocks at the door of a home and it's answered by a 12yr old boy with a cigar in one hand and a half empty bottle of scotch in the other. The salesman asks the boy, "Excuse me son but is your mom or dad in?" To which the boy replies, "Does it fucking look like it?"

Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at November 04, 2013 06:53 PM (QupBk)

126 I simply say 'Margaret Sanger was a total racist who favored sterilizing the inferior races" Why are you not boycotting ABORTION CLINICS in protest of the founder of the abortion movement which was advocating aborton the unborn children of the "inferior races" ------------------------------ When some left/liberal launches off on a paen to Darwin, I always ask if they are referring to "On the Origin of the Species", which of course they are, and which they heartily embrace. I then ask if they know the full title. "No", is of course the answer. I point out that the full title is " Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection: Or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life". That usually brings a moment of silence. The next question I ask is, "Do you believe in evolution?" Always, "Yes". Then "do you believe that it stopped 10,000 years ago?" Here they begin to stumble. If the answer is "yes", then I suggest that they are a "creationist". And so on.... It's fun.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 06:53 PM (aDwsi)

127 Albania is a hive of scum and villainy and goats. Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2013 10:50 PM (DFCJt) Fixed.

Posted by: Zog, King of Albania at November 04, 2013 06:53 PM (Vk2pI)

128

The mall was locked down as heavily-armed officers approached. The gunman remained at large Monday night.

Clarice Forbes, of Paterson, who works at Talbot's, said the man walk by her shooting a rifle into air.

Â“It was very, very terrifying. Very scary,Â” Forbes said.

Alaa Hegazi, a contractor working on a new bar in the mall, said the man told him Â“I donÂ’t want to shoot anyone here, just let me go

robbery or suicide by cop

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 06:53 PM (zOTsN)

129 HUSBAND! I would like a full body massage with aromatherapy! The Horde demands it be done! Well, ok. Just some of the ex-pat Canadian ones. He's not home.its not gonna happen.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 06:54 PM (N/cFh)

130 where are the 13yo's for the sexing? you know in Syria I can get a hottie 13yo for $40, only used 146 times I'm from Saudi youknow

Posted by: islamo-pig salad at November 04, 2013 06:54 PM (zvFWX)

131 That rootlipped j carney is really pissing me off. What a fillintheblank.

Posted by: Guy who was Freaked Out! but is now just pissed. at November 04, 2013 06:55 PM (AiiPY)

132 I simply say 'Margaret Sanger was a total racist who favored sterilizing the inferior races"

In other words... you lie.

Sigh.

Eugenics != genocide.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 04, 2013 06:55 PM (d7tB2)

133 HUSBAND! I would like a full body massage with aromatherapy! The Horde demands it be done! Well, ok. Just some of the ex-pat Canadian ones. He's not home.its not gonna happen. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 10:54 PM (N/cFh) There's always later in the week.

Posted by: Vendette at November 04, 2013 06:55 PM (YfL5v)

134 Each player should have a designated Playmate that loses an article of clothing for each lost hand.

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2013 10:48 PM (DFCJt)

Now we're getting somewhere!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 06:55 PM (8Fl6F)

135 Just read on twitter that Rodgers has a broken collarbone.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 06:56 PM (DmNpO)

136 He's not home.its not gonna happen. Hot bath with the scented oils. Extra hot water.

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 06:56 PM (doBIb)

137 Just read a book on Cassino. Although the author tried to downplay it, let's just say the Muslim North Africans used by the French in that battle had a reputation of raping all of the Italian women they could lay their hands on. Card has his Mormon moral center. You can agree or disagree with it. Just like you can agree or disagree with Heinlein's nudity as only social taboo. Nothing about Card though strikes me as hateful. The Worthing Saga has some interesting stories in there.

Posted by: Chris at November 04, 2013 06:56 PM (aBOfW)

138 Can't be arsed to get up, EC. It hurts.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 06:57 PM (N/cFh)

139 I gotta stop following Gabe on twitter...gawd he's insufferable.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 06:57 PM (bCEmE)

140 137 Just read a book on Cassino. Although the author tried to downplay it, let's just say the Muslim North Africans used by the French in that battle had a reputation of raping all of the Italian women they could lay their hands on. Dennis Hopper has a great scene in True Romance with that story.

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 06:58 PM (doBIb)

141 In reaching his plane seat, a man is surprised to see a parrot strapped into the seat next to him. The man asks the stewardess for a cup of coffee and the parrot squawks, "And why don't you get me a whisky you bitch." The stewardess, flustered by the parrot's outburst, brings back a whisky for the parrot but inadvertently forgets the man's cup of coffee. As the man nicely points out the omission of his coffee to the stewardess, the parrot downs his drink and shouts, "And get me another whisky you slut." Visibly shaken, the stewardess comes back with the parrot's whisky but still no coffee for the man. Unaccustomed to such slackness, the man decides that he is going to try the parrots approach, "I've asked you twice for a cup of coffee wench, I expect you to get it for me right now or I'm going to slap that disgustingly ugly face of yours!" Next thing they know, both the man and the parrot are wrenched up and thrown out of the emergency exit by 2 burly stewards. Plunging downwards to the ground the parrot turns to the man and says, "For someone who can't fly, you sure are a lippy bastard...

Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at November 04, 2013 06:58 PM (QupBk)

142 Posted by: Romeo13 at November 04, 2013 10:48 PM (lZBBB) - I beg to differ. I have been standing at a bus stop and people driving by knew I was a gay (and yelled slurs at me), and I was not doing or saying or wearing anything out of the ordinary.

Posted by: Baldy at November 04, 2013 06:58 PM (2bql3)

143 139 I gotta stop following Gabe on twitter...gawd he's insufferable. Posted by: Tami at November 04, 2013 10:57 PM (bCEmE) LOL!!!

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 06:58 PM (doBIb)

144 Ok. Night horde. Smooches.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 04, 2013 06:59 PM (N/cFh)

145 124 has NCJ ordered his McCowan Jersey yet? I asked nck if she wants one, she says the game isn't over yet

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 06:59 PM (jiXse)

146 Great a shooting incident in NJ.

God I hope it's a freaking handgun. A black dude and he does not have a firearms ID card.

Fucking Democrats and Christie will be offering gun control bills left and right.

Can't escape to Pennsylvania because they seem to be going full retard now.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 06:59 PM (dwtaK)

147 122 You know, the comments in this thread are not sufficiently "harrumphic" for them either. They'll come after this stuff too, eventually. You have to manage change, not bulldoze it in.

Posted by: T. at November 04, 2013 07:00 PM (xrkJj)

148 Just read a book on Cassino. Although the author tried to downplay it, let's just say the Muslim North Africans used by the French in that battle had a reputation of raping all of the Italian women they could lay their hands on. ..... Posted by: Chris at November 04, 2013 10:56 PM (aBOfW) and this is something diffrent than 800AD? you educated in a barn? I got a stiffy for all christian wimmins... try to stop me you unarmed pu##ys

Posted by: islamo-pig salad at November 04, 2013 07:00 PM (zvFWX)

149 I gotta stop following Gabe on twitter...gawd he's insufferable. *** I'm now in a pattern of follow, unfollow, follow, unfollow...

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:00 PM (DmNpO)

150 The "fun" agenda is bent on imposing themselves on every aspect of your life whether you like it or not.

Posted by: Guy who was Freaked Out! but is now just pissed. at November 04, 2013 07:00 PM (AiiPY)

151 Darth Randall at November 04, 2013 10:48 PM I thought they should have done one move up through battle school and another with him in his advanced training under Rackham. Also, I would have done flashbacks to cover the younger Ender. What baffles me is that they show the opening attack as happening in the atmosphere of Earth. That just grates on me. Card had the beginning of a script that had a much better opening. The current one just strikes me as Hollywood thinking....I don't know what they were thinking.

Posted by: Chris at November 04, 2013 07:00 PM (aBOfW)

152 Nah.... 6 guns... and aces and eights... Posted by: Romeo13 -------------------- Moron night out. Kevin Kline in the bar scene in Silverado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv6rmmAk_Es

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 07:01 PM (aDwsi)

153 I'm now in a pattern of follow, unfollow, follow, unfollow... Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 11:00 PM (DmNpO) Did you just read his exchange with @trscoop about Huntsman and Herman Cain?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 07:01 PM (bCEmE)

154

Its sounds like some kind of Rifle

he appears to be wearing a bullet proof vest as he entered

came in by Nordstroms

shot out security cameras first

told people to "just let me go, I don't want to shoot anybody"

he fired his shots into the air

no reports of any one being shot

SWAT going store to store to look for him

they think he may have changed clothes

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 07:02 PM (zOTsN)

155 One day the first grade teacher was reading the story of the Three Little Pigs to her class. She came to the part of the story where the first pig was trying to accumulate the building materials for his home. She read, "...and so the pig went up to the man with the wheel barrow full of straw and said, "Pardon me sir, but may I have some of that straw to build my house?" The teacher paused then asked the class, "And what do you think that man said?" One little boy raised his hand and said, "I think he said 'Holy Shit! A talking pig!'"

Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at November 04, 2013 07:02 PM (QupBk)

156

Posted by: Baldy at November 04, 2013 10:58 PM (2bql3)

Really??? and just how did they know you were gay?

GayDar? is there some inherent thing that sets you apart from your fellow Man? some appearance?

Because as a Father who raised a Lesbian daughter... with all her LGBT friends throughout the years... the only way you could tell the Gays, were by either self identification.... or ACTIONs (appearance, dress, mannerisms)... which are... a choice...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 04, 2013 07:02 PM (lZBBB)

157 Doctor runs into one of his patients out on the town, partying it up with a gorgeous young blond. "What's up?" he asks. "Well doc, you told me to get a hot mama and be cheerful." "No, you fool. I said you've got a heart murmur, be careful."

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 04, 2013 07:02 PM (mvenn)

158 you know in Oslo, Norway I can do sex to almost any girl I want. If need be I can get 15 friends to make it so.

Posted by: islamo-pig salad at November 04, 2013 07:03 PM (zvFWX)

159 What baffles me is that they show the opening attack as happening in the atmosphere of Earth. That just grates on me. Card had the beginning of a script that had a much better opening. The current one just strikes me as Hollywood thinking....I don't know what they were thinking. F-35's?

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 07:03 PM (doBIb)

160 ALERT! Dirty Rotten Scoundrels now coming on HBO

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:03 PM (DmNpO)

161 I think TPH you have watched far more odd ball stuff than I have. You just might be a bit desensitized.

TCM did another Japanese double feature way early this morning. First the 1965 Story of a Prostitute about a woman on a downward spiral of destruction being sent with others to service the needs of a Japanese army battalion fighting the Chinese in WWII. Very frank about things including how brutal the Japanese were. Though that grenade did have the longest fuse in cinema history, it went past 4 and I think even 10.

Then the 1948 Women of the Night about a woman who loses her reason to live when she finds her boyfriend is poking her younger sister. So ends up in a gang of street walkers in the bombed out city. The climax happens when the gang she belongs to finds a girl poaching their territory. So they are beating the girl and well our main character Fusako realizes the girl is her younger sister who is full of youthful bad girl arrogance until Fusako starts to beat her and explain all the horrors she is asking to suffer. Followed by Fusako realizing she is sick of this life also. So she and her sister decide to start new lives. And naturally some members of Fusako's old gang can't handle that so they start beating Fusako up. And its civil war inside the gang. Last shot is Fusako and her sister helping each other stagger away. And the camera lingers on a part of the building that is all that is left in the burned out lot, a stained glass window of the Virgin Mary.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 07:03 PM (uz+9b)

162 Uh, Maet, buddy, "Ender's Game" DID work better as a short. The first version was a masterful novella.

The expansion to a novel was kinda "meh" after the short.

All the rest of his books, built around the legend, frankly, was teh sux.

Posted by: WilG at November 04, 2013 07:03 PM (GsLW+)

163
That's a lot of cop cars at that mall, I think they all showed up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 07:04 PM (nKUHR)

164 @th3j35t3r 42s UPDATE: SHOOTERS BROTHER HAS PROVIDED SHOOTERS CELL NUMBER. TRACE ON.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 07:04 PM (bCEmE)

165 @154

G-d fucking damnit!!!

What the fuck is wrong with these assholes who want to go out in a blaze of glory, death by cop style

Can't you just put a bullet in your brain in some hole you fuck stick.

Now I've got to here Booker, Christie and Bloomberg go on about gun control.

ASSHOLE!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 07:05 PM (dwtaK)

166 Moron night out. Kevin Kline in the bar scene in Silverado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv6rmmAk_Es *** I just saw that Kline will be on Conan tonight.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:05 PM (DmNpO)

167 That's a lot of cop cars at that mall, I think they all showed up. *** I saw the pic and the first thing I thought was that it must be in a really good neighborhood because we have a mall here with a police station inside. There are that many cop cars there every day of the week.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:06 PM (DmNpO)

168 mayor confirmed at presser no one has been injured

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 07:07 PM (zOTsN)

169 It's almost liks these guys go out there and shoot stuff up to show why we should not have guns.

Posted by: Guy who was Freaked Out! but is now just pissed. at November 04, 2013 07:07 PM (AiiPY)

170 Did you just read his exchange with @trscoop about Huntsman and Herman Cain? *** Nope. BRB!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:07 PM (DmNpO)

171 Kathrny Lopez (NRO) is stuck in the NJ mall.....

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 07:07 PM (bCEmE)

172 Navycopjoe, did you get my earlier post asking for the Bears to knock Rodgers out on the first drive and have Forte go wild

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:07 PM (CMlD4)

173 My dad's opinion of the north africa arabs was not very positive after returning from the war.

Mostly he said they'd steal anything not nailed down, and bring a pry bar for that which was.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 04, 2013 07:07 PM (fZ2Zr)

174 Moroccan troops in WWII doing the rape thing in Italy?

Sophia Loren in Two Women. Won an Oscar.
http://youtu.be/0SsTUQZ2sZs

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 07:08 PM (uz+9b)

175 the Paramus Mall is a pretty nice mall

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 07:08 PM (zOTsN)

176
Don't they have pretty strict gun control in NJ? I guess they will need to pass 245 more gun laws that the criminals won't follow.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 07:08 PM (nKUHR)

177 Navycopjoe, did you get my earlier post asking for the Bears to knock Rodgers out on the first drive and have Forte go wild Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 11:07 PM (CMlD4) Yeah, he blamed it on me at first.

Posted by: Vendette at November 04, 2013 07:09 PM (YfL5v)

178

at presser they say they believe he left the mall

robbery

its a local crime story

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 07:09 PM (zOTsN)

179 126 I simply say 'Margaret Sanger was a total racist who favored sterilizing the inferior races" Why are you not boycotting ABORTION CLINICS in protest of the founder of the abortion movement which was advocating aborton the unborn children of the "inferior races" ------------------------------ When some left/liberal launches off on a paen to Darwin, I always ask if they are referring to "On the Origin of the Species", which of course they are, and which they heartily embrace. I then ask if they know the full title. "No", is of course the answer. I point out that the full title is " Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection: Or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life". That usually brings a moment of silence. The next question I ask is, "Do you believe in evolution?" Always, "Yes". Then "do you believe that it stopped 10,000 years ago?" Here they begin to stumble. If the answer is "yes", then I suggest that they are a "creationist". And so on.... It's fun. Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 10:53 PM (aDwsi) Races as used in the book's title did not mean races of people. It referred to species of plants and animals. What do mean when you ask people if they think evolution stopped 10,000 years ago? What point are you trying to make?

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 07:09 PM (AO9UG)

180 They hired him to write a few issues of Superman, do a story arc. But the Gay Fascists called for a boycott, and then a bunch artists at DC said they would never work with such an evil hitlerkkkmonster. --- That is emblematic of the problems. Judd Winnick's one note no talent ass gets to write Batman and Green Arrow but Card gets blackballed for refusing to toe the line on gay marriage.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 04, 2013 07:09 PM (4eDvT)

181 You know who was against gay marriage? Harvey Milk. I am not kidding.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 07:10 PM (xSegX)

182 @169

No they go out there because they are mentally defective worms who don't give a shit about anyone including themselves and see that the only hope of anyone noting their pathetic inconsequential existence on this earth is to commit these acts knowing they will get the full media treatment.

Bastard!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 07:10 PM (dwtaK)

183 166 "It's KuhKuhKuhKen, cuhcuhcuhcoming to kuhkuhkuhkill me..."

Posted by: T. at November 04, 2013 07:10 PM (xrkJj)

184 @njburkett7 4m Mayor of Paramus on shooting. "Everyone is safe, no one has been injured." Authorities believe "shooter has left the mall."

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 07:11 PM (bCEmE)

185

I am speculating about the robbery part

but they do think he left the mall, he shot no one, and hit the cameras first

he may have changed clothes to get out of there

whaddaya bet there is a jewelry store whose cases were hit by gun blasts

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 07:11 PM (zOTsN)

186 167, That is a high end mall and it is in a good area, but it's centrally located in a knot of highways which means that it is easy and convenient for groups of people from Newark (just down Rt.17) and Paterson (minutes away from Rt.4) to go and shop. And rob stuff sometimes.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at November 04, 2013 07:12 PM (Usdw3)

187 Tami, so the mayor says Elvis shot up the mall?

I can 48 hour rule on any statements.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 07:12 PM (uz+9b)

188 Did you just read his exchange with @trscoop about Huntsman and Herman Cain? *** He has rather a sneering disdain for Conservatives, doesn't he? Not that I am in any way a fan of Cain.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:13 PM (DmNpO)

189 Chris at November 04, 2013 11:00 PM (aBOfW) ----------- Ha, that's what my wife said. Have the first movie end with Ender saying "I can't take it anymore" and Graff saying "shit what do we do now?"

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 04, 2013 07:14 PM (Zswg6)

190 Christe 61% Buono 33% Undecided 6%

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 04, 2013 07:14 PM (e8kgV)

191 What do mean when you ask people if they think evolution stopped 10,000 years ago?

All the whining about endangered species?

Nature itself has endangered (and extincted) almost all species that ever existed...before Homo Sapiens even arrived.

Seriously, what has survived virtually unchanged since say the carboniferous? Cockroaches, ants and the common fly?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 04, 2013 07:14 PM (fZ2Zr)

192 Mostly he said they'd steal anything not nailed down, and bring a pry bar for that which was. Posted by: Purp at November 04, 2013 11:07 PM (fZ2Zr) my pops was in the US Navy from 1940 to 1966. Sationed all over the world. he opinions on f$ckin muslimbs are not very PC

Posted by: islamo-pig salad at November 04, 2013 07:14 PM (zvFWX)

193 @24 Oddly Mazer Rockham was an Israeli instead of a Maori. ------------- Nope. I don't remember whether he was a Maori in the original text (I suspect he was), but he wasn't Israeli. There was a note in the text about the Israelis going nuts because they couldn't figure out how a military commander of Rackham's caliber had been produced who *wasn't* an Israeli.

As for the rest of the cast... Bean's a bit of a mess, but turns out to have Greek parents, Ali's pretty self-explanatory, Petra is Armenian, Rose "The Nose" is Jewish, Deek (the black kid in the movie, iirc) is the only American that I can remember off the top of my head aside from Ender. And Ender's Dad is an immigrant from Poland (not mentioned in the movie, but his accent is noticeable). And one of Ender's parents is Roman Catholic while the other is Mormon. Also note that the head of the Fleet is Indian. The Shadow series adds even more, but I don't remember how many of them were created for the Shadow series, and how many originated in Game. In short, Card's cast was truly diverse - as befits a group of people made up of super smart kids taken from around the world before their native cultures had settled in too deeply (iirc, in the book Ender goes into space when he's 6 years old).

Posted by: junior at November 04, 2013 07:14 PM (wX+eD)

194 Â“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We donÂ’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.Â”

Margaret SangerÂ’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda GordonÂ’s WomanÂ’s Body, WomanÂ’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

(hoping this keeps me out of the barrel)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 07:14 PM (8Fl6F)

195 eman: it was Darwin's cousin, Galton, who invented the term eugenics. Darwin, himself, had a certain amount of interest in the idea, though it wasn't a big concern of his. Every eugenicist up to Hitler cited and lionized Darwin.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 07:14 PM (xSegX)

196 Any daywalkers here? Several of us in the Chicago area reported an earthquake this afternoon that the USGS clocked at 3.7. We received an automated public service message over the phone that it was due to blasting at the local quarry (which is also about three miles from me). Um, wasn't the nork nuke test somewhere in the 4-5 range? What. The. Fuck?

Posted by: Methos at November 04, 2013 07:15 PM (hO9ad)

197 What has Gabe been saying on twitter? He's been pretty tame in the top headline posts.

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 07:15 PM (AO9UG)

198 @th3j35t3r 12s GARDEN STATE MALL: A Black backpack and Leather Jacket has been found in the building by SWAT.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 07:16 PM (bCEmE)

199 "they are mentally defective worms who don't give a shit about anyone including themselves and see that the only hope of anyone noting their pathetic inconsequential existence on this earth is to commit these acts knowing they will get the full media treatment." Not a bad description of tfg either.

Posted by: Guy who was Freaked Out! but is now just pissed. at November 04, 2013 07:16 PM (AiiPY)

200 He has rather a sneering disdain for Conservatives, doesn't he? Not that I am in any way a fan of Cain. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 11:13 PM (DmNpO) Just a tad...

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 04, 2013 07:16 PM (bCEmE)

201 BREAKING: EPA to demand Grand Canyon refilled massive erosion occurred without proper permits

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 04, 2013 07:16 PM (e8kgV)

202 I think they all showed up.

Sale at Rusty Brown's Ring Donuts?

Posted by: Ned Beatty, Mayor of Otisburg at November 04, 2013 07:17 PM (ApGx8)

203 195 eman: it was Darwin's cousin, Galton, who invented the term eugenics. Darwin, himself, had a certain amount of interest in the idea, though it wasn't a big concern of his. Every eugenicist up to Hitler cited and lionized Darwin. Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 11:14 PM (xSegX) What does that have to do with Darwin? His theory is quite correct and he is not responsible for those who abuse it.

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 07:17 PM (AO9UG)

204

two shots fired up in air

gotta be a robbery

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 07:17 PM (zOTsN)

205 @176

NJ's gun control laws are strict by Texas standards but average by NE standards.

In order to buy Rifles or shotguns you need a firearm ID card. In order to get a FID you have to pass a background check and pay $18.00.

You do not have to register your rifles or shotguns.

In order to buy a handgun you need to have an FID and file for a permit.
You will be background checked in order to receive the permit.

When you go to buy any weapon you have to pass an "instant" background check. "Instant" background checks are taking up to 3-4 weeks.

The vast overwhelming majority of crimes committed in NJ are committed by people who do not have valid FID's or permits.

So you know what NJ needs?

MOARRR LAWZZZ!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 07:18 PM (dwtaK)

206 I can build a mosque in you neighborhood, try to stop me CAIR willl rape your ass

Posted by: islamo-pig salad at November 04, 2013 07:18 PM (zvFWX)

207 What do mean when you ask people if they think evolution stopped 10,000 years ago? What point are you trying to make? *** yeah. I didn't get that either.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:18 PM (DmNpO)

208 A Black backpack and Leather Jacket has been found in the building by SWAT.

Are they going to pair it with red high heels or straight on black stomp boots?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 07:18 PM (nKUHR)

209

GARDEN STATE MALL: A Black backpack and Leather Jacket has been found in the building by SWAT.

Was it a Female SWAT member? Perhaps there was a sale?

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2013 07:18 PM (iZXxU)

210

Isn't this anti-bullying month? So what is the definition of bullying again!

See something say something... they are bullying Orson Scott Card and all Mormons.

Posted by: petunia at November 04, 2013 07:19 PM (DAcBA)

211 Golly. I do not wonder if these are manufactured incidents - they do not appear to be. I am certain that the mainstream media is manipulating each to achieve their anti-American ends, though. Each event occurs only because the media covers it in a particular manner. We're a nation of 350 million people. These things happen every other week but are never covered. They are only covered to advance the marxist-islamist agenda of the media and the Stalinist Wing of the Democratic party. (I didn't cuss once. That was cfklung hard)

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 04, 2013 07:19 PM (4MIPA)

212 Seriously, what has survived virtually unchanged since say the carboniferous? Cockroaches, ants and the common fly?

Posted by: Purp at November 04, 2013 11:14 PM (fZ2Zr)

Lingula, the lamp shell, the most primitive brachiopod. I suspect its secret to survival was being all but inedible.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 07:19 PM (8Fl6F)

213 In the prequels, based on the graphic novel, the battles begin in the Asteroid Belt, 'the famed Battle of the Belt,' then moves closer to Earth, the Formic ships has an energy weapons, which directs the plasma from the deceleration, into a wide beam that scorches everything in it's path,

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at November 04, 2013 07:20 PM (Jsiw/)

214 188 Well, the wetware malfunction issue makes him part of the master race now--sort of like the black guy in Farnam's Freehold. Bottom rail on top now, so it's only human to take advantage.

Posted by: T. at November 04, 2013 07:20 PM (xrkJj)

215 He's been pretty tame in the top headline posts. Someone had the "come to Jesus" talk.

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 07:20 PM (doBIb)

216 I don't even know precisely what Darwin's theories ARE. I mean, can you point me to Darwin's equations?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 07:21 PM (xSegX)

217

what has survived virtually unchanged since say the carboniferous?

Vic.

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2013 07:21 PM (iZXxU)

218 they are bullying Orson Scott Card and all Mormons. Posted by: petunia at November 04, 2013 11:19 PM (DAcBA) you do know Mormons can be bullies also? Mormons are not alwqys the victim , right?

Posted by: islamo-pig salad at November 04, 2013 07:21 PM (zvFWX)

219 He's been pretty tame in the top headline posts. *** Just the usual of mocking of how "it's always Rove's fault"... blah, blah.... this time with regard to Cuccinelli

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:22 PM (DmNpO)

220 what has survived virtually unchanged since say the carboniferous? Vic. Also inedible.

Posted by: Valery Velociraptor at November 04, 2013 07:22 PM (QupBk)

221 "GARDEN STATE MALL: A Black backpack and Leather Jacket has been found in the building by SWAT." At the mall? Really? No kidding? Imagine that!

Posted by: Guy who was Freaked Out! but is now just pissed. at November 04, 2013 07:22 PM (AiiPY)

222 191 What do mean when you ask people if they think evolution stopped 10,000 years ago? All the whining about endangered species? Nature itself has endangered (and extincted) almost all species that ever existed...before Homo Sapiens even arrived. Seriously, what has survived virtually unchanged since say the carboniferous? Cockroaches, ants and the common fly? Posted by: Purp at November 04, 2013 11:14 PM (fZ2Zr) Yeah, the "Man is the great slaughterer of species" crap is crap. We certainly are a different agent operating in this world compared to all others, but that does not mean we are doing something wrong or inordinately destructive. HCME, human-caused mass extinction is the new AGW.

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 07:22 PM (AO9UG)

223 218. Yeah, like Harry Reid and Jon Huntsmann.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at November 04, 2013 07:23 PM (Usdw3)

224 >>>212 Seriously, what has survived virtually unchanged since say the carboniferous? Cockroaches, ants and the common fly? -------------------- Also, Shatner.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 04, 2013 07:24 PM (GZXBQ)

225 eman, just look at all the biota the Maori exterminated to keep fed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 07:24 PM (uz+9b)

226 216 I don't even know precisely what Darwin's theories ARE. I mean, can you point me to Darwin's equations? Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 11:21 PM (xSegX) Why would they require equations?

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 07:24 PM (AO9UG)

227 Cuccinelli will win by 2%.

Book it.

Virginia is going retard but I don't think they are ready to go full retard just yet.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 07:24 PM (dwtaK)

228 Lose to the Bears

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 07:24 PM (vJdyz)

229 Virginia is going retard but I don't think they are ready to go full retard just yet. NoVa is.

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 07:24 PM (doBIb)

230 Joe will be un"bear"able

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 07:25 PM (zOTsN)

231 Semantics is what Amish Dude is driving at. Know the difference between a hypothesis and a theory. I think.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 07:25 PM (uz+9b)

232 Seriously, what has survived virtually unchanged since say the carboniferous? Cockroaches, ants and the common fly? Posted by: Purp at November 04, 2013 11:14 PM (fZ2Zr) Why, hello there!

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at November 04, 2013 07:25 PM (Vk2pI)

233 Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 11:24 PM (dwtaK) Is this a CAC "book it" or that dude from DU "book it"?

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 07:25 PM (vJdyz)

234 Vic dates back to the Permian for sure. Dating results going back further are in dispute.

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 07:26 PM (AO9UG)

235 Cuccinelli will win by 2%. Book it. Virginia is going retard but I don't think they are ready to go full retard just yet. Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 11:24 PM (dwtaK) DERP!

Posted by: Viginia LIV at November 04, 2013 07:26 PM (Vk2pI)

236 Real science requires quantifiability for testing of hypotheses. Darwin's paradigms have none of that.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 07:26 PM (xSegX)

237
It is kinda weird the human condition of seeing things not there, the early reports had a guy with body armor. We'll see, he was probably wearing underarmor.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 07:26 PM (nKUHR)

238 I wonder if Vic could tell us how many species he personally hunted to extinction back in the day?

Posted by: EC at November 04, 2013 07:26 PM (doBIb)

239 Is this a CAC "book it" or that dude from DU "book it"? Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 11:25 PM (vJdyz) Â…or pehaps a "Dan-O" level? Doubt it.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 04, 2013 07:27 PM (Vk2pI)

240 231 Semantics is what Amish Dude is driving at. Know the difference between a hypothesis and a theory. I think. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 11:25 PM (uz+9b) No. He and I have discussed thus before. He wants to see some math.

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 07:27 PM (AO9UG)

241 Significant habit destruction caused by local thunderstorm.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 04, 2013 07:27 PM (ZPrif)

242 also habitat

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 04, 2013 07:27 PM (ZPrif)

243 224 >>>212 Seriously, what has survived virtually unchanged since say the carboniferous? Cockroaches, ants and the common fly? Cher?

Posted by: Thrawn at November 04, 2013 07:28 PM (ZyqBH)

244 it's coming you know it's coming

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:28 PM (jiXse)

245 236 Real science requires quantifiability for testing of hypotheses. Darwin's paradigms have none of that. Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 11:26 PM (xSegX) False.

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 07:28 PM (AO9UG)

246 G O P A C K E R S ! !

Posted by: Go Packers at November 04, 2013 07:28 PM (zvFWX)

247 Cher is merely a creation of the modern petro-chemical civilization.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 07:28 PM (uz+9b)

248

Vic dates back to the Permian for sure.

I am sure Vic has had more than one perm in his life.

Fashion is cyclical and Vic is eternal.

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2013 07:28 PM (iZXxU)

249 LMAO: Richard Incognito means Dick in Disguise.

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 07:28 PM (4BA+Y)

250 Ermmm ... Ender's Game was a short story in Analog Magazine, I think.

It was expanded into a book later.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 04, 2013 07:29 PM (c6N69)

251 Posted by: The Political Hat at November 04, 2013 11:27 PM (Vk2pI) Apparently you didn't get the joke

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 07:29 PM (vJdyz)

252 227 Cuccinelli will win by 2%. Book it. Virginia is going retard but I don't think they are ready to go full retard just yet. Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 11:24 PM (dwtaK) Praying your right. I think the polls are bullshit but NoVa is filled with dumb.

Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 07:29 PM (LpbKr)

253 I need Forte to score here

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:29 PM (CMlD4)

254 You're

Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 07:29 PM (LpbKr)

255 serious all the girls I do sex to are volunteers not like Islomao fascist who have un-voluntary sex with girls

Posted by: Go Packers at November 04, 2013 07:30 PM (zvFWX)

256 The Vic is definitely edible -- the stew pot is the great equalizer. Protein is not particular about age or species.

Still, you could at least wash him first (Conan The Destroyer reference).

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 07:30 PM (wNF3N)

257 it's coming get ready...............

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:30 PM (jiXse)

258
that first down is the killer for the Pack.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 07:30 PM (nKUHR)

259 Wait, is somebody here gonna disprove evolution? Cause I was starting to get worried about all those killer bacteria that have evolved resistance to antibiotics. Now I know that's unpossible. Whew!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 04, 2013 07:31 PM (ZPrif)

260 You're

Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 11:29 PM (LpbKr)

Yoo ahh!

Posted by: Masshole at November 04, 2013 07:31 PM (iZXxU)

261 @233

This is a you've got to be shitting me Terry McCulluf? Really? Really Virginia?

You're going to vote for Clinton's bagman?

Cuccinelli by 2%.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 07:31 PM (dwtaK)

262 See, eman, it's that kind of thinking that has brought us social science and AGW. Unquantifiable "science" might as well be the humanities.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 07:31 PM (xSegX)

263 ncj, running all over them - then the hanky comes out

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:31 PM (CMlD4)

264 Evolution? I'm living proof.

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at November 04, 2013 07:32 PM (GZXBQ)

265 A man and his wife were celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary. The wife says to her husband, "For our anniversary this year, you can ask me one question, any question you want to. I will answer it truthfully." The husband replies, "Okay, this has been bothering me for a long time, but I haven't had the courage to ask before...but I have noticed that all of our eight children look similar to one another except one. I can't figure out how he got to look so different. Did he have a different father than the rest?" The wife stops. She is unable to look her husband in the eyes. Slowly she replies, "yes. Yes he did have a different father." Her husband was taken aback. "Oh! Okay...I must know. Please tell me. Who was that child's father?" Again she cannot look her husband in the eyes. She is very distressed, and after a long silence she slowly said, "YOU."

Posted by: toby928© at November 04, 2013 07:32 PM (QupBk)

266 263 yep settled nck right the hell down but she's got the brats ready......

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:33 PM (jiXse)

267 Pack lost their shot when aaron Rodgers went off the field.

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 07:33 PM (4BA+Y)

268 236 Real science requires quantifiability for testing of hypotheses. Darwin's paradigms have none of that. Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 11:26 PM (xSegX) But, here is a figure for you. How many fossil have been found to outside the sequence predicted by Evolution? That is, any fossils of mammals from the Silurian, for example. Zero. In fact your whole model if trying to fit evolution into a set of equations is bankrupt. What are the equations for predicting the outcome of a baseball game? Using math, predict every event in the game. If you can't do it, should we now say baseball isn't real?

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 07:33 PM (AO9UG)

269 Hope you're right about Virginia, but I'm on the edge of a sea of blue where I am.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 04, 2013 07:33 PM (l3vZN)

270 Virginia Democrats are allegedly misrepresenting the positions held by Republican gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli in an attempt to depress conservative turnout and using peer pressure to boost voter turnout among Democratic constituencies in the final days of that stateÂ’s gubernatorial race.

Del. Scott Lingamfelter, a Republican, said he received a robo-call on Sunday evening claiming that Cuccinelli supports the Affordable Care Act and taxpayer financing for abortions.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 07:33 PM (nKUHR)

271 COCKSUCKER OBAMA: We did this to put to end the days when the individual market had no standards, when every year, thousands of Americans would be dropped from their coverage. People are acting like this is some new phenomenon. Every year there was churn in this individual market. The average increase was double digits on premiums in this same market, with or without the Affordable Care Act. People were getting, often times, a very bad deal. (Organizing for Action campaign event, November 4, 2013) ------ Longing for the day when only thousands were kicked off their plan. Seriously, jackass is a fucking idiot extraordinaire.

Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 07:34 PM (LpbKr)

272 "Evolution" is even the wrong term. It's more like "selective dying"

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 07:34 PM (xSegX)

273 if they get the obvious field goal it's plenty of time to try to get the td this is where they will miss Rodgers the most

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:34 PM (jiXse)

274

If you can't do it, should we now say baseball isn't real?

Are we talking AL or NL?

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2013 07:35 PM (iZXxU)

275

Mayor of Paramus says the people of Paramus have nothing to worry about even though they don't have the shooter

must be a robbery

Posted by: thunderb at November 04, 2013 07:35 PM (zOTsN)

276 210 Isn't this anti-bullying month? So what is the definition of bullying again! See something say something... they are bullying Orson Scott Card and all Mormons. Posted by: petunia at November 04, 2013 11:19 PM 218 you do know Mormons can be bullies also? Mormons are not alwqys the victim , right? Posted by: islamo-pig salad at November 04, 2013 11:21 PM And you do that two wrongs don't make a right, right? I don't give a flip what people did to each other in the past. I want to see people treat each other with respect and tolerance NOW. That means that anyone who considers their group victims doesn't get to treat others the way they claim their victim group was treated in the past. That behavior makes you no better than the people you're railing against.

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 07:35 PM (GNZ0/)

277 Water main breaks at the tip of a penis shaped church in DIXon, Illinois. You can't make this shit up. http://t.co/sxYx86Gryp

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Too funny, I live in Dixon. Don't like to reveal too much on the net, BWTF as Jim Angle discovered they have it all anyways. Creepy, welcome to 1984.

Posted by: The Farmer at November 04, 2013 07:35 PM (eBupg)

278 I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in peopleÂ’s lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I wonÂ’t take your handgun away.

Also, if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at November 04, 2013 07:35 PM (ApGx8)

279 Baseball isn't science. Except for SABRmetrics. Gee, even dumb jocks can do math.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 07:35 PM (xSegX)

280 265 Methinks toby has a file full of these jokes; no one can cite them, let alone type them, this quickly.

But I am enjoying them.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 07:35 PM (wNF3N)

281 conte and wright need to step up and thank god we have peanut and Jennings not over by a long shot

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:36 PM (jiXse)

282 wtf.. "Must contain a lowercase OR capital letter" is that supposed to be an AND? or could this be rendered back out of newspeak into the common "must contain a letter".

Posted by: firsttimemoron at November 04, 2013 07:36 PM (xRBNr)

283 Aloha!

Posted by: cthulhu at November 04, 2013 07:36 PM (YQROo)

284 Virginia is going retard but I don't think they are ready to go full retard just yet. *** I've taken pleasure, on a few occasions, in forwarding the Atlantic article about Sarvis to some of the Libertarians that have showed up in my timeline at twitter.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:36 PM (DmNpO)

285 >>>What has Gabe been saying on twitter?

He's been pretty tame in the top headline posts.

Nothing I can see that's all that offensive. Tonight he tweeted a bit about how this unfolding plagiarism mini-scandal of Rand Paul's makes him look pretty silly, and that he needs to hire better help and/or get rid of the people he has that made him look like a clown here. (Because it's obviously not Paul himself who is doing the "plagiarism" -- Senators have staffers who write their speeches/op-eds for them, after taking dictation from the Senator about what points he wants to make.)

I completely agree, and I say that as someone who (as I noted on Twitter myself) has really come around hard on Rand Paul in recent months. The way he's conducted himself in the Senate has impressed me immensely, and at this point I'm actively trying to convince myself that he could be a winning GOP Presidential nominee. But crap like this is...a bad sign. Not because the kerfuffle itself is disqualifying, but because it suggests management problems. The Pauls in particular have a bad habit, as noted by political reporters for years, of being far too loyal to staffers of theirs who have embarrassed or disgraced themselves and their bosses. The last thing we need is a re-run of the Obama "nobody ever gets fired or faces consequences" style of management.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 07:36 PM (n/+FT)

286 Hope you're right about Virginia, but I'm on the edge of a sea of blue where I am. Posted by: Jinx the Cat

Beats being in the middle of it

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:37 PM (CMlD4)

287 that penalty was so huge damnit

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:37 PM (jiXse)

288 BREAKING:
EPA to demand Grand Canyon refilled
massive erosion occurred without proper permits

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 04, 2013 11:16 PM (e8kgV)

The California Coastal Commission thinks you need to add $50,000 per square foot fine on top of that.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 04, 2013 07:37 PM (b9K4P)

289 Logprof, I missed the opportunity to salute your mentioning of William "Suitcase" Jefferson last night. Made my night!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 04, 2013 07:37 PM (l3vZN)

290 Must contain a lowercase OR capital letter" is that supposed to be an AND? or could this be rendered back out of newspeak into the common "must contain a letter". *** I had to use an upper case, a lower case, a number, and a symbol and it couldn't pertain to my email address.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:37 PM (DmNpO)

291 Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 11:35 PM (xSegX) Know SABERmetrics and kick ass in online Out Of The Park leagues

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 07:37 PM (vJdyz)

292 How many fossil have been found to outside the sequence predicted by Evolution? Piltdown man?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 07:38 PM (xSegX)

293 Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 11:34 PM (LpbKr) <<<<<<

On top of which, they campaigned for the law saying people couldn't get kicked off and the could take their insurance with them if they left a job.

Now, its all "its nothing new".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 07:38 PM (nKUHR)

294 @271

This whole bad deal line and scam plans, who the fuck do they think is going to buy this crazy shit?

These people are fucking idiots.

People are losing plans they liked and could afford and are being replaced by plans that cost more and offer less.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 07:38 PM (dwtaK)

295 crap, I needed the bears to go for the dagger and toss a middle screen to forte for the TD

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:38 PM (CMlD4)

296 >>>Cuccinelli will win by 2%.

Book it.

Yeah, not so much.

Cooch will be lucky to lose by 5%. That's really the drop-dead number for Obenshain to have any chance of winning the AG race: if Terry Mac wins by more than 5% (which I fear is likely), then his coattails will sweep Mark Herring to victory downballot. Which will suck.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 07:39 PM (n/+FT)

297 that it does, Jean.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 04, 2013 07:39 PM (l3vZN)

298 Virginia Democrats are allegedly misrepresenting the positions held by Republican gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli in an attempt to depress conservative turnout and using peer pressure to boost voter turnout among Democratic constituencies in the final days of that stateÂ’s gubernatorial race. Del. Scott Lingamfelter, a Republican, said he received a robo-call on Sunday evening claiming that Cuccinelli supports the Affordable Care Act and taxpayer financing for abortions. *** sure it's not Sarvis?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:39 PM (DmNpO)

299 chaos..evolution doesn't have a purpose or end game

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 04, 2013 07:39 PM (/7Xis)

300 it seems Jeff B is my neighbor

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:40 PM (CMlD4)

301 Is this a CAC "book it" or that dude from DU "book it"? Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 11:25 PM (vJdyz) My book it has Christie winning by over 20 and TMac winning by 7.

Posted by: CAC at November 04, 2013 07:40 PM (kJ7JN)

302 sure it's not Sarvis? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Sarvis is too weak to even cheat poorly.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:40 PM (CMlD4)

303 @151 I thought they should have done one move up through battle school and another with him in his advanced training under Rackham. Also, I would have done flashbacks to cover the younger Ender. -------------- I would have added two very small items. First, I would have included the second attempted invasion by the Formics. Second, I would have included the Formics' motivation. I suspect that their absence was intentional, though. The director and/or script writer seems to have preferred to make the adults more of a group of warmongers looking for an excuse to blow someone up than the original novel showed. The lack of a second invasion helps to encourage that view. And the absence of the Formic's motivation removes the alieness of their thought processes and also goes a long way to remove the moral fault that they're saddled with in the novel for causing the war in the first place.

Posted by: junior at November 04, 2013 07:41 PM (wX+eD)

304 BEARS WIN!!!!!!!!!! BEARS WIN!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:41 PM (jiXse)

305 289 Logprof, I missed the opportunity to salute your mentioning of William "Suitcase" Jefferson last night. Made my night! Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 04, 2013 11:37 PM (l3vZN) --LMAO, you're welcome. I laugh just hearing that line in my mind.

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 07:41 PM (4BA+Y)

306 Time to quote that AP article again:

Bears become a problem when they help themselves to garbage, and that's why they department urges residents to keep trash secure or indoors.

The bear that attacked the woman likely is still in the area. Agents hope to lure it into one of their traps baited with doughnuts and beer.

The animal will be killed because it has become habituated to eating garbage and already killed a dog and attacked the woman.

Fuck, they could catch me in that baited trap.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 07:41 PM (wNF3N)

307 "Nuke 12 million Americans? The other 305 million will fully support trying to knock your population back below a billion before demanding your surrender before we cut it in half."

I hear this kind of grrr-arrrr, get 'em, fuck up their shit, nuke 'em till they glow boasting a lot whenever nuclear topics come up. Usually it comes from people who don't have the faintest fucking clue how radically America's nuclear arsenal has been cut back since the end of the Cold War. And how much further it's going to have been reduced by the time Obama and Hagel are done with it.

America now really is vulnerable to a disabling first strike, one that would make it difficult or impossible to land an equally lethal response on an adversary of the size and capabilities of the PRC.

Mutual assured destruction works as a strategic doctrine. If you have enough warheads, enough capable delivery systems, and enough hardened command and control to implement the counterforce component of MAD. If you don't have those things, that doctrine stops working.

That's why you hear this stuff coming out of the state media in the People's Republic: quite open discussions about their warheads on our foreheads right down to specific cities and particular weapons systems they would use to do it. They're not frightened of us. Not in our present condition.

You didn't hear discussions like that coming out of the state media in the USSR. They talked shit about the USA, constantly, but not nuclear war specifics. They certainly talked about that stuff in private and in detail in the Kremlin, but it wasn't on the ITAR-TASS newswires. Because the Soviets _were_ frightened of us, and at the time they had good reason to be.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 04, 2013 07:41 PM (gqT4g)

308 Neid, the recording said the Democratic Party of Virginia (DPVA) paid for it, according to the guy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 07:41 PM (nKUHR)

309 Piltdown man?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 11:38 PM (xSegX)

hahahaha

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 04, 2013 07:41 PM (/7Xis)

310 chaos..evolution doesn't have a purpose or end game Posted by: The Jackhole

I disagree.

Posted by: A Dumb Ox at November 04, 2013 07:42 PM (CMlD4)

311 you fucking cheese eating scandi failures

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:42 PM (jiXse)

312 Piltdown man?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 11:38 PM (xSegX)

Piltdown Man was a fraud perpetrated by a dilettante, for reasons of jingoism and personal narcissism, but it fit the timeline of human evolution as it was then understood.

And the fraud was ultimately overturned by actual scientists, which is how it is supposed to work.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 07:42 PM (8Fl6F)

313 What a shit way to end the game

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 07:42 PM (vJdyz)

314 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 11:36 PM (n/+FT) *** Ive been a huge fan of Rand ever since he took office. He's wicked smaht and has a cutting sense of humor that allows him to address an issue without being offensive as is, say, Christie. His dad is his biggest dead-weight and his biggest boost all at once. I really think Rand can bring in the yungins to vote for him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:43 PM (DmNpO)

315 ALL HAIL THE GREATNESS THAT IS CHICAGO Da BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:43 PM (jiXse)

316 Scandi Reality TV.. so don't complain about how boring golf coverage is ...

Is NorwayÂ’s Slow TV Phenomenon The Future Of Reality Programming? 9-Hour Knitting Contests, 8-Hour Train Rides

http://tinyurl.com/lo5qoam

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 07:43 PM (aTXUx)

317 >>>it seems Jeff B is my neighbor

Unless you live in Montgomery County, MD, then doubtful.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 07:43 PM (n/+FT)

318 What a shit way to end the game *** I turned to Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. How did the game end?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:43 PM (DmNpO)

319 >> BEARS WIN!!!!!!!!!!

Fuuuuuuuck. Now we haveta listen to ncj bragging shit for the next week.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 07:43 PM (wNF3N)

320 @296

I refuse to believe that a carpet bagging snake like McCaluff will win.

This may be the booze talking and not knowing any thing about Virginia but if the vaginas in the state help elect this worm then I hope they choke on all the taxes and spending that's going to be unleashed on them.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 07:44 PM (dwtaK)

321 #317 When are you buying your telescope Jeff. That isn't a question by the way.

Posted by: CAC at November 04, 2013 07:44 PM (kJ7JN)

322 318 How did the game end? BEARS WIN!!!!!!!!!! BEARS WIN!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:44 PM (jiXse)

323 Bear down, Chicago Bears, make every play clear the way to victory. Bear down, Chicago Bears, put up a fight with a might so fearlessly. We'll never forget the way you thrilled the nation with your T formation. Bear down, Chicago Bears, and let them know why you're wearing the crown. You're the pride and joy of Illinois, Chicago Bears, Bear down WOOT WOOT!!!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 07:44 PM (XIxXP)

324 Because the Soviets _were_ frightened of us, and at the time they had good reason to be.

Thank You

Posted by: C LeMay at November 04, 2013 07:44 PM (CMlD4)

325 Neid, the recording said the Democratic Party of Virginia (DPVA) paid for it, according to the guy. *** What a bunch of shits.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:44 PM (DmNpO)

326

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 11:41 PM (wNF3N)

Fact : Bear love fucking donuts.

Posted by: Yogi at November 04, 2013 07:45 PM (iZXxU)

327 kbdabear, actually Norway will show a 12 hour marathon on knitting. They already did a show that broadcast live a cruise ship sailing the whole coast of Norway.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 04, 2013 07:45 PM (uz+9b)

328 319 Now we haveta listen to ncj bragging shit for the next week. yeah, it'll be pretty bad i'm afraid

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 07:45 PM (jiXse)

329 @niedermayer - i read the other posts with your travails and i'm just thankful i don't have to sign up, i trust the shifty car dealership with my ssn but not this thing. i know i'll eventually be forced into the website as all peons will, failing that we'll just do it by hand and hire 10 million new federal employees, it creates jobs or something!

Posted by: firsttimemoron at November 04, 2013 07:46 PM (xRBNr)

330 Bears beat the JV team, big whoop

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 07:46 PM (vJdyz)

331 I don't give a flip what people did to each other in the past. I want to see people treat each other with respect and tolerance NOW. That means that anyone who considers their group victims doesn't get to treat others the way they claim their victim group was treated in the past. That behavior makes you no better than the people you're railing against. Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 11:35 PM (GNZ0/) Â“Slaves would be tyrants were the chance theirsÂ” Â— Victor Hugo More on the "Tyranny of the Oppressed": http://tinyurl.com/kcakro7

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 04, 2013 07:46 PM (Vk2pI)

332 You guys, drop everything. This perverted playground trend is destroying our country and victimizing our children: http://tinyurl.com/k436ulg

Posted by: Kelly in Berkeley - yes that berkeley at November 04, 2013 07:46 PM (xLzX1)

333
well most of the cop cars have left that mall, the donut sale must be over.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 07:46 PM (nKUHR)

334 Bears beat the JV team, big whoop Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 11:46 PM (vJdyz) Truth? Our JV beat their JV.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 07:47 PM (XIxXP)

335 328 319 Now we haveta listen to ncj bragging shit for the next week.

yeah, it'll be pretty bad i'm afraid
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 11:45 PM (jiXse)

Not if I impose the navycopjoe Rule. Nobody likes Johnny-One-Notes.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 04, 2013 07:47 PM (pAlYe)

336 Heh, Except now that I look it up it was Wallace, not William, "Suitcase" Jefferson. Must have had Clinton on the brain.

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 07:47 PM (4BA+Y)

337 Piltdown Man was a fraud perpetrated by a dilettante, for reasons of jingoism and personal narcissism,

Interestingly enough, at East Anglicia Univ - from whose hallowed halls the fetid wind of Global Warming blows.

Posted by: C LeMay at November 04, 2013 07:47 PM (CMlD4)

338 And the fraud was ultimately overturned by actual scientists, which is how it is supposed to work. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon ------------- What are you trying to say?

Posted by: Al Gore at November 04, 2013 07:47 PM (aDwsi)

339 Fact: Bears love fucking donuts ---- Actually, we've noticed that bears tend to be favoring some fabulous cronuts and croissants these days.

Posted by: Fire Island Restaurateurs at November 04, 2013 07:48 PM (GmTxn)

340 You guys, drop everything. This perverted playground trend is destroying our country and victimizing our children: http://tinyurl.com/k436ulg Posted by: Kelly in Berkeley - yes that berkeley at November 04, 2013 11:46 PM (xLzX1) I can think of alternative positionsÂ…

Posted by: Roman Polanski at November 04, 2013 07:49 PM (Vk2pI)

341

Posted by: Roman Polanski at November 04, 2013 07:49 PM (Vk2pI)

342 >> Not if I impose the navycopjoe Rule. Nobody likes Johnny-One-Notes.

Ruh roh,

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 07:49 PM (wNF3N)

343 i read the other posts with your travails and i'm just thankful i don't have to sign up, i trust the shifty car dealership with my ssn but not this thing. i know i'll eventually be forced into the website as all peons will, failing that we'll just do it by hand and hire 10 million new federal employees, it creates jobs or something! *** Just. Don't. I knew better. KNEW IT! And did it anyway because even I had no idea it could be just that bad.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 07:50 PM (DmNpO)

344 The Bears will not win the Super Bowl.

Book it!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 07:50 PM (dwtaK)

345 I'll drop the LeMay sock before his zombie gets pissed.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:50 PM (CMlD4)

346 >>>Ive been a huge fan of Rand ever since he took office. He's wicked smaht and has a cutting sense of humor that allows him to address an issue without being offensive as is, say, Christie.

Well I'm still a pretty big fan of Christie myself, but I agree with you that Rand Paul has, with a hiccup here and there, risen further and further in my estimation since he took office. Wasn't long ago I thought his awful "Civil Rights Act" gaffe was auto-disqualifying (and it still haunts me...such a tragically stupid unforced error), but he's just been so adept at hitting the right notes that I'm beginning to convince myself that it can be looked past.

What I appreciate the most about Paul fils is that he is pretty damn radical without being a "burn everything down" firebreather. Ted Cruz is sex to the base, but Paul has won credibility both from the activist base AND from the establishment types because he's a team player and apparently genuinely not a jerk behind closed doors. I thought he was pretty much the only figure in the GOP who came out of the shutdown looking like a winner -- the way he conducted himself during that mess was remarkably graceful.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 07:51 PM (n/+FT)

347 335 328 319 Now we haveta listen to ncj bragging shit for the next week.

yeah, it'll be pretty bad i'm afraid
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 11:45 PM (jiXse)

Not if I impose the navycopjoe Rule. Nobody likes Johnny-One-Notes.
Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at November 04, 2013 11:47 PM

Every time ncj types DA BEARS, just pretend that he's cheering KBDABEARS

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 07:51 PM (aTXUx)

348 Piltdown Man was a fraud perpetrated by a dilettante, for reasons of jingoism and personal narcissism, but it fit the timeline of human evolution as it was then understood. And the fraud was ultimately overturned by actual scientists, which is how it is supposed to work. "as it was then understood?" So I guess "evolution" itself actually evolves. The Calvinball of scientific theories. And who the Hell do you expect to have discovered the fraud? A plumber from Bayonne, New Jersey. Even then, it took 40 years. For something that was out-and-out fraud. How many more years for an honest mistake?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 07:51 PM (xSegX)

349 I don't know if anyone here has noticed or mentioned it, but when you call the 1-800F1uckyou number, you get to talk to an Advanced Resolution Specialist (ARS)

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 04, 2013 07:52 PM (RLdcX)

350 The Bears will not win the Super Bowl. Book it! Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 11:50 PM (dwtaK) Well, you're a regular FKN jimmy the greek, aint ya?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 07:52 PM (XIxXP)

351 Ted Cruz is sex to the base, but Paul has won credibility both from the activist base AND from the establishment types because he's a team player and apparently genuinely not a jerk behind closed doors.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 11:51 PM

Translation; "Ted Cruz won't respect mah AUTHORITY!!"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 07:53 PM (aTXUx)

352 This may be the booze talking and not knowing any thing about Virginia but if the vaginas in the state help elect this worm then I hope they choke on all the taxes and spending that's going to be unleashed on them. Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 11:44 PM (dwtaK) This will be a break in history if VA turns that derpy. I'm not hopeful. Fuck.

Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 07:53 PM (LpbKr)

353 171 Kathrny Lopez (NRO) is stuck in the NJ mall.....

Posted by: Tami at November 04, 2013 11:07 PM (bCEmE)

Are we sure she isn't one of the shooters? I sometimes get a squirrelly vibe from her in The Corner.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 04, 2013 07:54 PM (IN7k+)

354 332 You guys, drop everything. This perverted playground trend is destroying our country and victimizing our children: http://tinyurl.com/k436ulg Posted by: Kelly in Berkeley - yes that berkeley at November 04, 2013 11:46 PM They could accomplish the same thing by simply having the kids stop and stand in place for 30 seconds, rather than having them bend over with their hands on their knees. Submissive, indeed.

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 07:54 PM (GNZ0/)

355 >>>This may be the booze talking and not knowing any thing about Virginia but if the vaginas in the state help elect this worm then I hope they choke on all the taxes and spending that's going to be unleashed on them.

The GOP has a supermajority in the House of Delegates (and is within striking distance of a majority in the State Senate for that matter), so Terry Mac's taxing ability will be limited. But don't kid yourself: Cooch is going down hard tomorrow, and the pisser is that he's probably going to take the GOP's AG candidate (who is running far ahead of him and would have otherwise won easily) down with him.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 07:54 PM (n/+FT)

356 343 >> I knew better. KNEW IT! And did it anyway because even I had no idea it could be just that bad.

NDH, I WILL NOT COMPLY. And I don't give a shit if they know it. Fine my noncompliant ass. Call it 'civil disobedience'.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 07:54 PM (wNF3N)

357
Logan, please run over to see the Advanced Resolution Specialist (ARS) before your 35 birthday.

Posted by: That movie at November 04, 2013 07:54 PM (nKUHR)

358 good night all. Wish us in the Old Dominion a bit of luck tomorrow.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 04, 2013 07:55 PM (l3vZN)

359 The bane of the GOP is stupid white suburban women. As will be proven again in tomorrows Virginia gubernatorial race.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 07:55 PM (3qZbZ)

360 "Evolution" discussion ... on a blog ... YOU SHALL ALL BE BANNED FROM TEH INTERWEBZ!!-ty ... and I bid you all adieu ...

Posted by: Larches Sojnnoh at November 04, 2013 07:55 PM (FlRtG)

361 Shutdown "mess", it was a glorious victory. Discovered checkmate when your opponents thinks he's won.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:56 PM (CMlD4)

362 Ted Cruz is sex to the base, but Paul has won credibility both from the activist base AND from the establishment types because he's a team player and apparently genuinely not a jerk behind closed doors. Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 11:51 PM Translation; "Ted Cruz won't respect mah AUTHORITY!!" Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 11:53 PM (aTXUx) How about Paul for Prez. and Cruz as Chief Justice of SCOTUS?

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 04, 2013 07:56 PM (Vk2pI)

363 Logan, please run over to see the Advanced Resolution Specialist (ARS) before your 35 birthday. Posted by: That movie at November 04, 2013 11:54 PM (nKUHR) If you like your old health plan, you can RENEW! RENEW!

Posted by: Carousel at November 04, 2013 07:58 PM (Vk2pI)

364 @350

I will not be commenting on the size of any ones thighs nor about colonial breeding practices at this time.

I will only reiterate the Bears will not be going to the super bowl.

That is reserved for the NY Jets.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 07:58 PM (dwtaK)

365 >>>The bane of the GOP is stupid white suburban women. As will be proven again in tomorrows Virginia gubernatorial race.

You go to war with the electorate you have, not the one you wish you had. It isn't going to help us to curse the fact that women voters in the state (even Republican ones) don't like the idea of compulsory transvaginal ultrasounds. It is what it is. The solution is not to support boneheaded legislation like that in the first place, or at the very least not to nominate the guy who spearheaded its passage through the state legislature.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 07:58 PM (n/+FT)

366 Jeff B. please tickle Bolling for me, Jinx and I are still waiting for our GOTV encourage emails from your end of pool.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 07:58 PM (CMlD4)

367 If Halperin's book is anywhere near truthful, it appears that most of the nice reasonable grownup moderate Republicans are vicious backstabbing assholes when the cameras aren't around

I take those "behind the scenes" anonymously sourced tell-all books with a big grain of salt and as vehicle for paybacks by the sources. That said, I can see "reasonable quiet moderates" like Huntsman to be total pricks behind your back

Anyone who's ever worked for a large company knows that those type of managers are the ones who are badmouthing you when senior management meets behind closed doors

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 07:58 PM (aTXUx)

368 How about Paul for Prez. and Cruz as Chief Justice of SCOTUS? Posted by: The Political Hat at November 04, 2013 11:56 PM We could do worse. We have done worse.

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 07:58 PM (GNZ0/)

369 Happened to check out Maddow briefly this evening. As millions of Americans are losing their health insurance, Rachel was busy making sure her viewers were aware of the scandal of the decade -Rand Paul plagiarizing a sentence in an opinion piece.

How anyone takes her seriously is beyond me.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 04, 2013 07:59 PM (KVnkf)

370 Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 11:51 PM (xSegX)

All science "evolves" because more information becomes available. Unlike religion, science isn't based upon Revealed Truths.

And, IIRC, there was suspicion about Piltdown Man in the paleontology community right from the outset, but suspicion =/= certainty. And science was the domain of gentlemen back in the day, so such suspicions were often left unspoken for reason of propriety.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 07:59 PM (8Fl6F)

371 Did somebody get banned today?

Posted by: tubal at November 04, 2013 08:00 PM (2NeaA)

372 >>>Jeff B. please tickle Bolling for me, Jinx and I are still waiting for our GOTV encourage emails from your end of pool.

Why do you keep saying stuff like this? Didn't you read the multiple posts I wrote in the other thread explaining that I thought Bolling was a turd and could go fuck himself as far as I was concerned? You seem to want to lay the fact that he's a bitter, disloyal turncoat at my feet, as if he somehow represents me or what I believe in.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:01 PM (n/+FT)

373 Log this as one of lifes secrets that you might not know. Standing behind some dick at the local gas station/convenience store. He buys $20 worth of gas, and then says, and I want 2 - 1 litres of diet pepsi. The cashier goes and gets them while all 4 of us in line wait. So I get up and say, wtf was that? You mean people can just say what they want from the shelves? She says yes. Some prefer that we get it. Are you fucking kidding me? I'd last 1 day at a convenience store. The first dick that pulled that and I'd be fired.

Posted by: UWP at November 04, 2013 08:01 PM (fdXMW)

374 All science "evolves" because more information becomes available. Unlike religion, science isn't based upon Revealed Truths. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 11:59 PM (8Fl6F) Blasphemer!

Posted by: Internation Panel for Climate Change at November 04, 2013 08:01 PM (Vk2pI)

375 The solution is not to support boneheaded legislation like that in the first place, or at the very least not to nominate the guy who spearheaded its passage through the state legislature.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 11:58 PM

What's boneheaded is that the LIV will scream about how they're getting screwed but will still vote for the fucker screwing them no matter how corrupt because of some stupid single issue bullshit that probably would never come close to becoming law

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 08:01 PM (aTXUx)

376 How anyone takes her seriously is beyond me. Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 04, 2013 11:59 PM (KVnkf) Crack smoking jittery squirrel is fun for jokes/entertainment.

Posted by: RWC at November 04, 2013 08:01 PM (LpbKr)

377 They could accomplish the same thing by simply having the kids stop and stand in place for 30 seconds, rather than having them bend over with their hands on their knees. Submissive, indeed.

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 11:54 PM (GNZ0/)

The whole "time to freeze, hands on your knees!" thing is supposed to make them put their hands somewhere so they don't keep dribbling balls or poking each other, and knees were just chosen because it rhymes with freeze. I'm more worried about what type of person would see a kid standing like that and think it's "pornographic."

Posted by: Kelly in Berkeley - yes that berkeley at November 04, 2013 08:01 PM (xLzX1)

378 How about Paul for Prez. and Cruz as Chief Justice of SCOTUS? *** I could live with that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 08:01 PM (DmNpO)

379 Anyone who's ever worked for a large company knows that those type of managers are the ones who are badmouthing you when senior management meets behind closed doors Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 11:58 PM (aTXUx) Gutfeld had a good read on that book. If you want to see who the leaker was, who gave the view behind closed doors. Look who the Author celebrates as smart, witty and accomplished, whether they are or not.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 08:02 PM (XIxXP)

380 >> How about Paul for Prez. and Cruz as Chief Justice of SCOTUS?

TPH, sounds okay to me. Here's the thing --- If there isn't a paradigmal shift in the narrative, this shit is doomed anyhow. Yes, we can afford to feed the populace from our ag surplus; I'll concede that. But our standard of living is not so well protected.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 08:02 PM (wNF3N)

381 I'm more worried about what type of person would see a kid standing like that and think it's "pornographic." Posted by: Kelly in Berkeley - yes that berkeley at November 05, 2013 12:01 AM (xLzX1) No, noÂ… it's "Artistic"Â…

Posted by: Irina Ionesco at November 04, 2013 08:03 PM (Vk2pI)

382 Seriously, what has survived virtually unchanged since say the carboniferous? 'Gators?

Posted by: Fox 2! at November 04, 2013 08:05 PM (XFTOV)

383 Jeff B you constantly advocate for centerist squishes who can win elections by appealing to the undecideds, you own the Bolling's of the world just as much as we get Akin wrapped around our neck. You can't choose your albatross.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:05 PM (CMlD4)

384 So Cooch must be denied because of some ultrasound law he spitballed, but Terry Mac will get brand new pockets to pick even though he supports 404Care and even forcing doctors to serve Medicaid patients

That's why I'm pessimistic about the GOP being able to capitalize on ClusterfuckCare. The 20 somethings being robbed blind still vote for Dems because of "binders full of women", free birth control pills, gay marriage, and "I can't be a racist because I voted Dem"

No matter where on the field the Dems fumble the ball, the GOP will not only fail to score off the turnover, they'll hand the ball back to the Dems and apologize for taking "their" ball

I'm looking out for my interests, not the interests of Beltway lawyers and lobbyists who want to keep their bank accounts padded

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 08:07 PM (aTXUx)

385 The whole "time to freeze, hands on your knees!" thing is supposed to make them put their hands somewhere so they don't keep dribbling balls or poking each other, and knees were just chosen because it rhymes with freeze. I'm more worried about what type of person would see a kid standing like that and think it's "pornographic."
Posted by: Kelly in Berkeley - yes that berkeley at November 05, 2013 12:01 AM (xLzX1

Well, it's all completely unnecessary. Back in the Paleolithic era, when I was in elementary school, a bell rang to announce the start of recess, and another one rang to announce the end. Ditto for lunch hour. And if you weren't in your assigned seat inside of 2 minutes or so, there was hell to pay.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 08:07 PM (8Fl6F)

386 >>>What's boneheaded is that the LIV will scream about how they're getting screwed but will still vote for the fucker screwing them no matter how corrupt because of some stupid single issue bullshit that probably would never come close to becoming law

What are you talking about? The bill DID become law, pretty much. Governor McDonnell signed it after it was revised to make the "transvaginal" part optional -- but women are now forced to get an ultrasound if they want an abortion.

The truly boneheaded thing about the legislation is that it doesn't even fucking DO anything. You want to sacrifice political capital and potentially piss off moderates and swing voters? Then pass something like the recent Texas abortion bill, which actually accomplished something for the cause of life.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:08 PM (n/+FT)

387 The theory doesn't evolve. It either withstands testing or is replaced. Entirely replaced. And about dissenting paleontologists, other scientists overrode them.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 04, 2013 08:08 PM (xSegX)

388 The whole "time to freeze, hands on your knees!" thing is supposed to make them put their hands somewhere so they don't keep dribbling balls or poking each other, and knees were just chosen because it rhymes with freeze. I'm more worried about what type of person would see a kid standing like that and think it's "pornographic." *** they could put their hands on their waists. And, yeah, the pornographic thing is a bit... off.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 08:08 PM (DmNpO)

389 What's the opposite of violent secession? I'm looking for a term akin to telling a bad dinner guest they should leave because they've been masturbating into the potatoes and we're tired of it all. But applicable to say, Baltimore or Los Angeles instead of a Mr. Crazypants.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 04, 2013 08:09 PM (4MIPA)

390 NDH - I've been away from the computer for a bit, and scrolling through, I note your question, re evolution,and 10,000 years. I did not 'mean' anything by it. It is merely a stock question that I ask, the object being to point to the generally contradictory positions that most liberals hold. A. The evolution of the human species was fixed ~10,000 years ago. That implies that they believe that there was an event, and mankind has not changed since, hence they believe in a sort of creationism. That does not sit well, of course. OR B. Man has continued to evolve. But that implies that favored (by nature or circumstance, per Darwin) elements of man are further evolved than others. That, of course, implies at least a sort of racism. That doesn't sit well either. To the extent that I do this, it is only to tweak those feel that the mere mention of evolution settles all arguments regarding the nature of mankind.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 08:10 PM (aDwsi)

391

To repeat what Insty says alot: Sending your kids to public school is parental malpractice.

this example here may seem like a little thing, but think about what kind of group of idiots came up with the idea of "hey let's have kids bend over and touch their knees to calm down". I guess blowing a whistle and telling them to get to class was just too much for them.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 08:11 PM (nKUHR)

392 Jeff B - we have a similar law in Texas. Women who want an abortion must get a sonogram. Same goes for Oklahoma, I believ.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 08:11 PM (KDAAY)

393 Guess I'm going to go see Ender's Game, just to support the author. And there I was going to boycott it because of Harrison Ford.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 04, 2013 08:11 PM (KL49F)

394 Well, it's all completely unnecessary. Back in the Paleolithic era, when I was in elementary school, a bell rang to announce the start of recess, and another one rang to announce the end. Ditto for lunch hour. And if you weren't in your assigned seat inside of 2 minutes or so, there was hell to pay.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 05, 2013 12:07 AM (8Fl6F)

*shudders* You were submissive to a bell and authority? What kind of monsters would raise children like that!

Posted by: Kelly in Berkeley - yes that berkeley at November 04, 2013 08:11 PM (xLzX1)

395 383 Jeff B you constantly advocate for centerist squishes who can win elections by appealing to the undecideds, you own the Bolling's of the world just as much as we get Akin wrapped around our neck. You can't choose your albatross.
Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2013 12:05 AM

The undecideds are mostly leftists and liberals who want to sound "fair". The Republican centrist has to walk on eggshells and will be fucked if he breaks even one. Meanwhile the undecided will forgive the Democrat who stomps all over the eggshells until they turn to powder

It's pretty much a scam to move the GOP to the left or to isolate the conservatives

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 08:11 PM (aTXUx)

396

"Evolution" discussion ... on a blog ...
They tell us that we lost our tails evolving up from little snails.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 04, 2013 08:11 PM (H0R/1)

397 >>>Jeff B you constantly advocate for centerist squishes who can win elections by appealing to the undecideds, you own the Bolling's of the world just as much as we get Akin wrapped around our neck. You can't choose your albatross.

This is completely illogical. I don't "hold" Akin against you (I mean, not unless you continued to defend him after his awful gaffe and argued he was right to say the stupid shit that he did). I'm not wrapping him around your neck. And I don't want "centrist squishes" as a default, not at all. I don't want a centrist squish in a state that will tolerate someone more conservative. What I constantly advocate for are candidates who are the right fit for their state: you're not going to win statewide Virginia (or anywhere to the northeast of VA for that matter) with a candidate like Ken Cuccinelli.

If Cuccinelli were running in South Carolina I'd be all for him. But if Cuccinelli were running in South Carolina he'd be winning.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:12 PM (n/+FT)

398 385 The whole "time to freeze, hands on your knees!" thing is supposed to make them put their hands somewhere so they don't keep dribbling balls or poking each other, and knees were just chosen because it rhymes with freeze. I'm more worried about what type of person would see a kid standing like that and think it's "pornographic." Posted by: Kelly in Berkeley - yes that berkeley at November 05, 2013 12:01 AM (xLzX1 Well, it's all completely unnecessary. Back in the Paleolithic era, when I was in elementary school, a bell rang to announce the start of recess, and another one rang to announce the end. Ditto for lunch hour. And if you weren't in your assigned seat inside of 2 minutes or so, there was hell to pay. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 05, 2013 12:07 AM (8Fl6F) --Not pornographic? http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Elmo-Experiments-FI.jpg

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 08:13 PM (4BA+Y)

399 What's the opposite of violent secession? I'm looking for a term akin to telling a bad dinner guest they should leave because they've been masturbating into the potatoes and we're tired of it all. *** self-preservation

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 08:13 PM (DmNpO)

400 359 The bane of the GOP is stupid white suburban women. As will be proven again in tomorrows Virginia gubernatorial race.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 11:55 PM (3qZbZ)

I believe Mitt won a majority of white women, so they are not "stupid". Minority women on the other hand...

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 04, 2013 08:14 PM (KL49F)

401 hmm Anandtech claiming that the 290 is only 3% slower than the 290X which costs an extra $150

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 08:14 PM (vJdyz)

402 Then pass something like the recent Texas abortion bill, which actually accomplished something for the cause of life.

Cooch did that too, thru the State medical board. The clinic I have to drive past in Fairfax just closed down because of the cost of becoming hygienic and another one near me is teetering. The ultrasound has a purpose 1. if the abortionist has one, then their facility can be regulated like any other doctor; if they don't and send the women out to a specialist - then there is a delay and time for reflection which could save a life.

That life is worth more then few votes.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:14 PM (CMlD4)

403 they could put their hands on their waists.

And, yeah, the pornographic thing is a bit... off.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 05, 2013 12:08 AM (DmNpO)

Let's change the song to head, shoulders, self respect, and toes!

Posted by: Kelly in Berkeley - yes that berkeley at November 04, 2013 08:14 PM (xLzX1)

404 --Not pornographic? http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Elmo-Experiments-FI.jpg **** OMG! LMAO

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 08:14 PM (DmNpO)

405 The truly boneheaded thing about the legislation is that it doesn't even fucking DO anything. You want to sacrifice political capital and potentially piss off moderates and swing voters? Then pass something like the recent Texas abortion bill, which actually accomplished something for the cause of life.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 12:08 AM

Moderates and swing voters you think are up for grabs will dump you if for upsetting them even once

They'll forgive Democrats just about anything. Repeatedly

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 08:15 PM (aTXUx)

406 >>>Jeff B - we have a similar law in Texas. Women who want an abortion must get a sonogram. Same goes for Oklahoma, I believ.

Fine then. I don't object to the law per se (the transvaginal part, that bugs me). I'm just saying that what is perfectly acceptable to the voters of Texas (who were hugely in favor of the abortion bill that Wendy Davis tried to stop) or Oklahoma ain't gonna fly in Virginia. And if people like Cuccinelli and the state legislature were going to burn their political capital on abortion, they would have been far better served to do something that actually made a difference, instead of burning the exact same amount of political goodwill for a comparatively minor thing that doesn't actually prevent a single abortion.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:15 PM (n/+FT)

407 What's the opposite of violent secession? I'm looking for a term akin to telling a bad dinner guest they should leave because they've been masturbating into the potatoes and we're tired of it all. But applicable to say, Baltimore or Los Angeles instead of a Mr. Crazypants. Posted by: Inspector Cussword --------------------------- An interesting question. Logically, if incorporation into the union implies a Federal right to compel a state to remain in the union, there must surely exist a reciprocal right to eject a state. Actually, the blue state lefties suggest it regularly.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 08:16 PM (aDwsi)

408 Stupid white women are why the Democrat Party holds the electoral balance of power in the United States today.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 08:16 PM (3qZbZ)

409 If Cuccinelli were running in South Carolina I'd be all for him. But if Cuccinelli were running in South Carolina he'd be winning. Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 12:12 AM (n/+FT) If Cuccinnelli had the support of the guy he beat, fair and square, and the asshole backstabbing establishment, he would be winning. But no conservative can win if he has to fight on two fronts in a purple state.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 08:16 PM (XIxXP)

410 The bane of the GOP is stupid white suburban women. As will be proven again in tomorrows Virginia gubernatorial race. ------------------------ I encounter that constantly.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 08:18 PM (aDwsi)

411 heh heh heeeehhhhhhhhhhh lord I don't want to drive tonight

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 08:18 PM (jiXse)

412 heh

Posted by: navycopjoe drunk on GB tears YUMMY!! at November 04, 2013 08:19 PM (jiXse)

413 "Evolution" discussion ... on a blog ... They tell us that we lost our tails evolving up from little snails. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 05, 2013 12:11 AM (H0R/1) I say it's all just wind and sails. Are we not men?

Posted by: The Devolutonal Hat at November 04, 2013 08:19 PM (Vk2pI)

414 >>>The undecideds are mostly leftists and liberals who want to sound "fair". The Republican centrist has to walk on eggshells and will be fucked if he breaks even one. Meanwhile the undecided will forgive the Democrat who stomps all over the eggshells until they turn to powder

It's pretty much a scam to move the GOP to the left or to isolate the conservatives

If I accepted that what you say here is true -- and I don't -- then it would literally be the OPPOSITE of a scam, you do realize this, right? It would instead be proof that the electorate (both on a national and state level) is simply just moving away from your positions on these issues.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:19 PM (n/+FT)

415 good review of the 290 http://tinyurl.com/kqttp3x

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 08:20 PM (vJdyz)

416 If I accepted that what you say here is true -- and I don't -- then it would literally be the OPPOSITE of a scam, you do realize this, right? It would instead be proof that the electorate (both on a national and state level) is simply just moving away from your positions on these issues. Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 12:19 AM (n/+FT) Why can't you understand that it is people like you that undermine conservative candidates? They won the primary, support them. That's what the Dems do. That's why they win.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 08:21 PM (XIxXP)

417 What I constantly advocate for are candidates who are the right fit for their state: you're not going to win statewide Virginia (or anywhere to the northeast of VA for that matter) with a candidate like Ken Cuccinelli.

I don't care to win with someone unlike Ken Cuccinelli. He has done what he promised, that's a very short list of politicians. He came to the big Tepeyac fundraiser several years ago, outlined his plan and executed it. I will not hold my nose and vote for another moderate, who even if he wins - won't do what needs to be done.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:22 PM (CMlD4)

418 I'm out, Good Day!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 08:24 PM (XIxXP)

419 http://tinyurl.com/mczgjdx This is what I glanced at while at work that enraged me so much. Why werenÂ’t Enzi,McCain and all the other senators on television saying that they expected 69% of businesses to lose them too! I never heard that. I knew that the SCOAMF should know be called TLIC (The Liar in Chief) and they knew and that was at the low end. I worked too late again and on the ride home had Fox News on the radio. OÂ’Reilly was interviewing one of the men that wrote the book of 2012 election. IÂ’m sure that this has all been discussed today but I only looked in once after 8 or 9.

Posted by: CarolT at November 04, 2013 08:24 PM (z4WKX)

420 The northern VA DC suburbs are doing fantastically due to all the candy being handed out by Uncle Sugar. Socialism is paying off very well for them.

Norfolk and Richmond are mainly populated by the FSA, so they're always a lock for the Dem. The folks along I-81, I-64, or I-95? They're outnumbered now and will be told to turn in their guns and their wallets

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 08:24 PM (aTXUx)

421 >>>If Cuccinnelli had the support of the guy he beat, fair and square, and the asshole backstabbing establishment, he would be winning. But no conservative can win if he has to fight on two fronts in a purple state.

This is a counterfactual, so it's impossible to ever know. But I really, really doubt this is true. Bolling is ONE GUY, and while his behavior is turdish he remains just one guy. He isn't singlehandedly swinging this race by 7%. He isn't the reason the third party candidate is polling in the high single digits. That's because Cuccinelli is just plain unpopular in the state -- his favorable raiting is -14 right now. Worse than Terry MacAuliffe!

And Cuccinelli got plenty of support from the state GOP establishment, so I have no idea where that meme comes from. You do remember that the state GOP actually changed the nominating rules specifically to ensure that Cuccinelli would be the candidate (it was supposed to be a primary, and the state GOP changed it to a convention instead to ensure that Cooch didn't have to face off against the more moderate Bolling and run the risk of losing to him). Only after it became apparent that Cuccinelli was doomed in late September (with him down anywhere from 7-14%) did they start pulling resources from his campaign and shifting them to Obenshain's in order to salvage what they could.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:25 PM (n/+FT)

422 What is FSA?

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 08:26 PM (KDAAY)

423 comparatively minor thing that doesn't actually prevent a single abortion.
Posted by: Jeff B.

Wrong. Actually a critical, enabling tool in the fight.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:26 PM (CMlD4)

424 What is FSA? *** Free Shit Army

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 08:26 PM (DmNpO)

425 Gnite OSP

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 08:27 PM (DmNpO)

426 How much time did Cuccinelli spend pounding on ObamaCare? I heard he spent some time on it, and a lot of people in VA seem to be realizing they've been stung. Perhaps this will sway the LIVs.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 04, 2013 08:27 PM (FlRtG)

427 335 Not if I impose the navycopjoe Rule. Nobody likes Johnny-One-Notes its not a Johnny-One-Note I've taken all kinds of shit for two weeks since color-blind got hurt over this game and I took it all in stride some people deserve whats coming anywho, to work I go someone has to pay for those ebt cards

Posted by: navycopjoe drunk on GB tears YUMMY!! at November 04, 2013 08:28 PM (jiXse)

428 Logically, if incorporation into the union implies a Federal right to compel a state to remain in the union, there must surely exist a reciprocal right to eject a state.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 05, 2013 12:16 AM (aDwsi)
A permanent marriage. No divorce allowed.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 04, 2013 08:29 PM (H0R/1)

429 You do remember that the state GOP actually changed the nominating rules specifically to ensure that Cuccinelli would be the candidate (it was supposed to be a primary, and the state GOP changed it to a convention instead to ensure that Cooch didn't have to face off against the more moderate Bolling and run the risk of losing to him).

That's a bit of revisionism. The nomination path was changed in reaction to the bitter anger many felt about how the presidential primary was rigged for Mittens. It wasn't changed specifically for Cuccinelli.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:29 PM (CMlD4)

430

Posted by: navycopjoe drunk on GB tears YUMMY!! at November 05, 2013 12:28 AM (jiXse)

hopefully we're not so far a head that they sit Rodgers for the last game of the year

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 08:29 PM (vJdyz)

431 It would instead be proof that the electorate (both on a national and state level) is simply just moving away from your positions on these issues.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 12:19 AM

I've accepted that they've moved away from my positions and I've also accepted that the GOP has zero interest in my positions even though they spam me with emails and call me at dinner claiming they're really seriously fighting for me.

The Dems win with that, well that's what a free electorate wants. I'm basically being sold the same car but with small variations in options, and I've found that the car either way is a piece of shit that won't outlast my payment coupon book

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 08:30 PM (aTXUx)

432 How much time did Cuccinelli spend pounding on ObamaCare?

His only ads recently have been on it.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:30 PM (CMlD4)

433 It is easier to say you will not vote moderate in a district not represented by Alan Grayson. The only logical candidate here is a moderate Puerto Rican with money. Grayson got rich suing the military. Nearly every district is safe now due to gerrymandering by both parties. I guess we should move.

Posted by: Beagle at November 04, 2013 08:30 PM (sOtz/)

434 I refuse to subscribe to a worldview that requires its adherents to have "an ethical guide to viewing 'Ender's Game'". I'll skip movies with blowhard celebs like Alec Baldwin or any Ollie Stone flick, but those also have the advantage of generally being terrible (though I do love Hunt for Red October). But an ethical guide? One not based on content, but solely on the views of the author? And not the author of the screenplay even? Lordy.

Posted by: Karusky at November 04, 2013 08:30 PM (wtCU5)

435 I've found that the car either way is a piece of shit that won't outlast my payment coupon book

Which is why I reload

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:31 PM (CMlD4)

436 >>>Why can't you understand that it is people like you that undermine conservative candidates? They won the primary, support them. That's what the Dems do. That's why they win.

How am I undermining anyone? I will vote for anyone who wins the GOP nomination for anything, regardless of my personal opinion of them or whether I think they're too conservative or too moderate (exception: fuck Jon Huntsman and the horse he rode in on). I will tell everyone else I know to vote for the GOP candidate, regardless of those considerations. That is, in fact, much more than many around here are willing to promise. (Look at Jean in this very thread, for example.)

Expressing my opinions here, in the comments section of a blog, is not "undermining" anything. Ace hammers on this all the time and he's got a point: I am not under any obligation to counterfeit my honest assessments of political realities (or my own personal political views for that matter), just to preserve some artificial 'happytalk' atmosphere. Unless I'm sitting around doing what some people here actually indulge in frequently (i.e. declaring "I would rather see Hillary win if the GOP nominates Chris Christie! I won't vote for him and neither should you!") I am not affecting anyone's vote. If I lived in VA I would happily vote for Cuccinelli, and tell everyone else to do so as well. Doesn't mean I think he's going to win tomorrow, or that I should have to pretend I think he will.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:32 PM (n/+FT)

437 His only ads recently have been on it. If recently means the last week, then maybe he will win. If recently means the last 2 days or so, then he's in real trouble.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 04, 2013 08:32 PM (FlRtG)

438 Perhaps this will sway the LIVs.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 05, 2013 12:27 AM (FlRtG)

I've known my share of LIVs, it is really hard to reach them, nothing seems to work. Will this?

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 08:33 PM (3qZbZ)

439 407 I'm thinking mainly of a term peacefully mandating a state to amputate their blue counties. Subject, of course, to negotiation with any relevant tribal and rural municipalities to trim off non-metropolitan land areas. We as conservatives, (very apparent in the West here) can no longer bear to live under the tyranny of the Left. And they appear to be unable to count themselves as loyal to the Constitution as written, nor does it appear that they are able to consider us conservatives as equal human citizens. Really, think of say, the next twenty-five years under a series of Democrat/Marxist executives - could you bear it? And think of the insane babblings of leftists under George W Bush - imagine how horrified they'd be to be subject to a smaller, Constitutionally-bound government. They'd lose it in a heartbeat. Let's face it - the people of the Left are no longer our countrymen. They're foreigners, like people from far away lands like Malaysia or Toronto. We should start thinking about Politely Inviting Them To Leave Already And Thanks for the Wonderful Gift.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 04, 2013 08:35 PM (4MIPA)

440 >>>If recently means the last week, then maybe he will win.

If recently means the last 2 days or so, then he's in real trouble.

Let's put it this way: MacAuliffe has had a 19-to-1 advantage in television advertising over the last week and a half.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:35 PM (n/+FT)

441 >>>Posted by: Inspector Cussword

Now that's a funny username.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:36 PM (n/+FT)

442 From reading Ace, HotAir, JWF, WZ, GatewayPundit, etc., the 100%-200% Health Insurance increase seems to have gotten a lot of attention ... nationwide ... ... actually, it seems to have burned very many LIVs. If this does not work, then the nation is in real trouble.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 04, 2013 08:38 PM (FlRtG)

443 439 I'm worse than you - I'm so disillusioned that I'd be happy if they'd let me leave without confiscating everything I own.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 08:38 PM (KDAAY)

444 Stupid white women are why the Democrat Party holds the electoral balance of power in the United States today. Posted by: cm9000 at November 05, 2013 12:16 AM (3qZbZ) Stupid white women voted for TFG? I am not stupid and didnÂ’t vote for him & knew he was full of it when they made a big deal of his speech here in Boston in 2004. I didnÂ’t watch it. That POS is a liar, he plays dirty to win elections, he selectively enforces laws, he should be impeached for not doing in sworn duty, to protect the Constitution! The SCOAMF is trying to figuratively burn the Constitution. Nixon is a national hero compared to this POS. It was the other people that voted for him. I will have to read that new book about 2012 election to read why Romney didnÂ’t bring up Benghazi except for the first time. The guy on Bill OÂ’s show, I had Sirius XM radio in my car, said you have to read why Romney wouldnÂ’t bring it up. It wasnÂ’t white women that voted for him try another color. The base stayed home because Romney wasnÂ’t forceful enough and had signed Romneycare into law. Mark Levin should be calling for TFGÂ’s impeachment.

Posted by: CarolT at November 04, 2013 08:39 PM (z4WKX)

445 If I lived in VA I would happily vote for Cuccinelli, and tell everyone else to do so as well.

But you think he shouldn't be on the ballot, see its difficult to vote for a guy whose not on the ballot.

The question is will you vote for him in the primary or convention? Remember, we've been told for years by many like you to hold our nose and vote for the electable guy in the primaries. Why vote for the electable guy who even if he pays lip services to some of our positions, has no track record of actually getting anything done?

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:40 PM (CMlD4)

446 We should start thinking about Politely Inviting Them To Leave Already And Thanks for the Wonderful Gift.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 05, 2013 12:35 AM (4MIPA)

I would rather shelve the polite shit, point them to the ocean, and say get the fuck out.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at November 04, 2013 08:40 PM (FMbng)

447 Alright, good night, all. I'm pretty sure I won't be missed anyway!

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:40 PM (n/+FT)

448 440 I haven't heard 19 to 1. I heard 2 or 3 to 1. Are you sure that's right? If so Cucc can fuhgeddaboutit.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 08:40 PM (KDAAY)

449 Oh, and I'll say it again: I will be happily eating crow if Cuccinelli somehow manages to pull it out tomorrow. I'll be overjoyed.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:41 PM (n/+FT)

450 "What I constantly advocate for are candidates who are the right fit for their state: you're not going to win statewide Virginia (or anywhere to the northeast of VA for that matter) with a candidate like Ken Cuccinelli."

See also: California.

Which I routinely deride these days as "Commiefornia", but which within living memory was Reagan Country.

Even in the bluest parts of the state, I still think that Republican candidates who run on platforms of careful fiscal stewardship and law enforcement against violent crime can actually win once in a while.

But what does not work is running social conservatives who want to criminalize abortion and throw weed smokers in prison. Just not going to happen with this electorate in this state. For those who want to die on those particular hills, okay, go ahead, but they are going to die on those hills, make no mistake. Yet the mistake keeps getting made.

In 1998, the state GOP put up Dan Lungren as its candidate for Governor. A really solid balanced-budget law-and-order conservative. Also adamantly opposed to abortion and ready to jail people for burning a doobie.

I said at the time, "Jeez, let's not even waste the money holding the election. Just let Lungren concede to the Democrat immediately upon being nominated." That advice was correct.

Lungren went on to get a whopping 38% of the vote against Gray Davis, a candidate so wretchedly awful as to later go on to be the first Governor in CA state history to be successfully recalled.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 04, 2013 08:41 PM (gqT4g)

451 If MWR is still around I just came in from a smoke and killed a smallish spider. Sent him into the great beyond through the toilet. *fist bump*

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 04, 2013 08:41 PM (oFCZn)

452 There is a type of LIV that recoils from any mention of politics. I think Ace has written about this. They just don't want to think about it. They deny it has any effect on them. Little do they know.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 08:43 PM (3qZbZ)

453 Romney got a lot of votes in places where every person who voted for him knew it was a waste of time. Before dividing the house, maybe pull 2% more votes?

Posted by: Beagle at November 04, 2013 08:44 PM (sOtz/)

454 MacAuliffe has had a 19-to-1 advantage in television advertising over the last week and a half. Yes, but how effective are the Cuccinelli ads? If enough people are in shock about a 100%-200% rise in health care insurance, AND see their deductibles double (seriously: $12,000 means that the insurance in not really insurance) ... ... and ONE candidate is raising hell about this ... ... and the other candidate supported this ... ... a 19:1 advantage may mean nothing. We need to see what reality will be after the election.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 04, 2013 08:44 PM (FlRtG)

455 450 I think Republicans of any stripe are getting pretty rare in your state. I thought Meg Whitman and Fioriana were moderates - they got thrashed.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 08:46 PM (KDAAY)

456 Lotsa hate for Cousin Orson (we share the same surname so it is likely that we are related somehow). Seems like everyone is surprised that for the past couple of years he's written opinion articles for the paper that reflect his Mormon beliefs. Imagine that.

Evening roonz and roonettez! Popping in for a brief bit, off to read comments now.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 04, 2013 08:46 PM (xa1/W)

457 torquewrench, whats your point? California clearly needs to stop smoking weed.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:47 PM (CMlD4)

458 From reading Ace, HotAir, JWF, WZ, GatewayPundit, etc., the 100%-200% Health Insurance increase seems to have gotten a lot of attention ... nationwide ...

... actually, it seems to have burned very many LIVs.

If this does not work, then the nation is in real trouble.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 05, 2013 12:38 AM

They're upset but they're called LIV's for a reason. The last thing a LIV wants to do is admit to themselves that they were scammed, so if Team Obama can convince them that they weren't scammed, it was GOP intransigence, they'll eagerly eat that up to absolve themselves.

LIV's are the prime targets of fad diets and exercise gadgets that promise them quick weight loss without sacrifice. They cannot accept that their own habits (with the exception of those with medical conditions) are why they hate what they see in the mirror.

LIV's are only going to learn through a great deal of pain. Unfortunately the rain falls on the astute as well as the ignorant.

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 08:47 PM (aTXUx)

459 Now that's a funny username. I'm still me. But I was rebuked - rightfully - for my username reflecting negatively on other people and reflecting poorly on my own faith testimony. So, I am doing a better thing now. And trying like heck not to cuss. It is more than difficult. It takes many, many edits to complete a thought now.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 04, 2013 08:48 PM (4MIPA)

460 Okay, one last thing:

>>>The question is will you vote for him in the primary or convention? Remember, we've been told for years by many like you to hold our nose and vote for the electable guy in the primaries.

In Virginia? No, I wouldn't vote for Cuccinelli in a primary. (A guy with his views, but who had a much softer, non culture-warrior profile? Like Bob McDonnell? Absolutely would support him. But specifically Ken Cuccinelli? Nah.) I'd support him in the general election, though, because that's what you do: you suck it up and go with the guy your party chose, whether you think he was the best choice or not.

The reason I wouldn't have supported Cuccinelli in a primary is not because I disagree with his political positions. It's not like he's too conservative for me. (Heck, I'm not sure it's even possible for a candidate to be too conservative for me -- people here really don't seem to realize just how right-wing I am.) It would have been because he seemed like a near-guaranteed loser to me as a statewide candidate. Again, if I were voting in SC, I'd have no problem with supporting a guy like Cooch in the primary -- because I have no doubt he'd be able to win and actually act on his conservative beliefs. But there's no value whatsoever in nominating a wonderfully conservative guy if that guy is just going to get his ass kicked, because losing gubernatorial elections does nothing whatsoever to advance the cause of conservatism.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:48 PM (n/+FT)

461 >>>>As a college student, I corresponded extensively with Orson Scott Card. For several years, I considered him a mentor and a friend. He was incredibly generous with his time and advice, and supportive of me as an aspiring fiction writer.>>>>

He did a shitty job. You don't put commas after introductory clauses unless they're four or five words long, and you don't separate dependent clauses with conjunctions such as "and."

My guess? Your fiction stinks.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at November 04, 2013 08:51 PM (1QwWe)

462 I am concerned about the huge influx of federal workers living in northern virginia. Prolly exempt from JEFcare

Posted by: Thunderb at November 04, 2013 08:52 PM (zOTsN)

463 >>>So, I am doing a better thing now. And trying like heck not to cuss. It is more than difficult.

It takes many, many edits to complete a thought now.

I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest when I tell you that it improves the quality of your posts amazingly. And that's not an accident: falling back on swear-words is a crutch (something Ace has written about in the past), and working around them forces you to be more creative and take time to be more thoughtful. #439, for example, is much more effective than it would've been with a ton of f-bombs.

I respect the effort a lot, speaking as one who's made a big effort to improve the way he comports himself around here as well.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 08:52 PM (n/+FT)

464 Apparently, Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, but no one told me! I blame John McVain.

Posted by: average voter at November 04, 2013 08:53 PM (B+HTd)

465 " Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection: Or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life". ...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 04, 2013 10:53 PM (aDwsi)

Races as used in the book's title did not mean races of people. It referred to species of plants and animals. What do mean when you ask people if they think evolution stopped 10,000 years ago? What point are you trying to make?

Posted by: eman at November 04, 2013 11:09 PM (AO9UG)

"Races of plants" sounds nonsensical. Care to show any examples of that usage?

As for Darwin, here's one context he used "race" in:
"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world."

Pulled from a wiki page on "Darwin misquotes". Not to judge Darwin on the statement morally; but in context, savage races clearly refers to aboriginal/native human tribes on imperialized continents.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 04, 2013 08:53 PM (QzbS9)

466 I will only vote for someone who deserves my vote. If I feel their positions are detrimental to how I view my vote, I will not go to the polls. My vote does not go for certainty of winning - it is a moral choice. If I do not have a candidate that I can support morally, (if they are all pro-aborts, for example) then I do not grant my vote to them. I consider my franchise like my word. I do not give it lightly. Others have different views of their votes. Mine differs.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 04, 2013 08:54 PM (4MIPA)

467 461 She's also like a Commie. She is expected to denounce him; there will be hell to pay if she doesn't. So like a good little party member she publicly denounces the doubleplusungood fellow.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 08:54 PM (KDAAY)

468 But what does not work is running social conservatives who want to criminalize abortion and throw weed smokers in prison. Just not going to happen with this electorate in this state. For those who want to die on those particular hills, okay, go ahead, but they are going to die on those hills, make no mistake. Yet the mistake keeps getting made.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 05, 2013 12:41 AM (gqT4g)

Yeah I have to agree with that.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at November 04, 2013 08:54 PM (FMbng)

469 I wouldn't have supported Cuccinelli in a primary is not because I disagree with his political positions.

So Bolling then, you would have fought for that ass in a convention. So that he might have an outside chance to win and do nothing to support your political positions. (Regardless of who you picked, he was going to be down +$10M, and dealing with McDonnell's ethical baggage).

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:54 PM (CMlD4)

470 We need to see what reality will be after the election. Posted by: Arbalest at November 05, 2013 12:44 AM (FlRtG) I would love it if McAuliffe lost! I may have misspelled the jerkÂ’s name but I donÂ’t care enough to look it up. I know heÂ’s under investigation for a number of reasons. ItÂ’s a very real possibility that he may end up in jail if heÂ’s elected.

Posted by: CarolT at November 04, 2013 08:54 PM (z4WKX)

471 >>>>Orson Scott Card is monstrously homophobic; he's racist; he advocates violence and lobbies against fundamental human rights and equates criticism of those stances with his own hate speech.>>>>

Christ. You don't use semicolons to separate independent clauses. And what the fuck does it mean that he equates criticism of his stances with his own hate speech?

Are you saying that Card says if you criticize him, you agree with him?

Bitch, you're a HORRIBLE writer.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at November 04, 2013 08:55 PM (1QwWe)

472 LIV's are only going to learn through a great deal of pain. Unfortunately the rain falls on the astute as well as the ignorant.

Posted by: kbdabear at November 05, 2013 12:47 AM (aTXUx)

I have converted two LIVs, swimming against the tide sometimes works.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 08:55 PM (3qZbZ)

473 Lungren went on to get a whopping 38% of the vote against Gray Davis, a candidate so wretchedly awful as to later go on to be the first Governor in CA state history to be successfully recalled.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 05, 2013 12:41 AM (gqT4g)

Davis is the reason California is now fiscally insolvent, all these huge union raises the dude signed off on are finally biting us in the ass.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 04, 2013 08:55 PM (b9K4P)

474 LIV's are only going to learn through a great deal of pain. This is the key. I think ObamaCare is The Great Deal Of Pain that reaches everyone. From reading the WSJ, it seems that a lot of people who thought they were "covered" are realizing that they are going to be bled to death. The rate increase is just the smell. The deductible increase is the problem. Spend $8000 to $12,000 before coverage kicks in? Most people don't have that kind of money available ... let alone EVERY YEAR. Did Cuccinelli hammer away at this point? This should make a big difference.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 04, 2013 08:55 PM (FlRtG)

475 An interesting Web site about Piltdown Man. A much more complex story than commonly thought. There are numerous competing theories (in the legal sense) about the identity of the perpetrator(s).

http://www.realnews247.com/piltdown_man.htm

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 08:56 PM (8Fl6F)

476 As for social issues, I'm a live and let live type who doesn't care as long as they face the consequences of their actions. For example I could care less if Sandra Fluke invites the entire Georgetown basketball team to her apartment for a gangbang, but she can buy her own fucking pills and condoms.

As for socons, the GOP has to stop telling them that what they deeply believe will be ignored while illegals are being wined and dined.

In a perfect world, the government would take care of the basics and stop trying to micromanage 315 million people. But being politicians they just can't bear the thought of not being martinets forcing the rest of us to dance on their strings

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 08:56 PM (aTXUx)

477 Paramus shooter is 20 year old Richard Shoop, restaurant worker from Teaneck

Posted by: Thunderb at November 04, 2013 08:56 PM (zOTsN)

478 Because how else do you explain this guy being an Department of Homeland Security advisor?

And he's one of my more conservative appointments.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at November 04, 2013 08:57 PM (Dwehj)

479
Somehow I think this Rachel Edidin, noted lesbian, bragged profusely to her friends while she was getting help from Mr. Card, so she is doing a mea culpa to save herself some of her two face.

Or she could just be a self dealing pretentious ingrate.

Either one.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 08:57 PM (nKUHR)

480 Jeff B. I respect your opinion most of the time. But I get why now is not the best time to rip Cooch. When Akin booted his apology, I noted it a few places. But then I left it alone until the election was over. Just commenting, yes. But the election is tomorrow.

Posted by: Beagle at November 04, 2013 08:58 PM (sOtz/)

481
Teaneck

TeaNecker!!!!

Posted by: Teh Liberals at November 04, 2013 08:59 PM (nKUHR)

482 If the Cooch wins, I hope the first thing he does is push thru a rescission bill forcing Arlington and Alexandria back into DC.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 08:59 PM (CMlD4)

483 477 Paramus shooter is 20 year old Richard Shoop, restaurant worker from Teaneck Posted by: Thunderb at November 05, 2013 12:56 AM (zOTsN) We feel a song comin' on!

Posted by: Salt 'n' Pepa at November 04, 2013 08:59 PM (4BA+Y)

484 I respect the effort a lot, speaking as one who's made a big effort to improve the way he comports himself around here as well.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 12:52 AM

Jeff, wherever you are out there ....

FUCK YOU TOO!!!

Posted by: Lt Col Frank Slade at November 04, 2013 09:00 PM (aTXUx)

485 Obama is like a corrosive acid poured on the steel structure beams of a nation. Luckily, so far, our nation has the strongest beams any nation has ever had, but with each day the acid burns through a little bit more. The only question remaining: can our structure survive eight solid years of corrosive attack? Eight solid years of appointing Islamic supremacists to head an agency designed to fight Islamic supremacists; eight years of intentionally destroying the economy in every imaginable way; eight years of race-bating and goading us toward Helter Skelter with cynical cattle prods; eight years of converting the military to a "diversity" conference; eight years of Cloward-Piven; eight years of paranoia and surveillance; eight years of inserting Constitution-hating judges at every level, eight years of undermining America's reputation stature and viability. We've survived five years so far -- barely. Were it not for the Tea Party's miracle win in 2010, things would be a million times worse now. 2014 must at a minimum hold territory; but best would be to encroach further into O's political power bailiwick. For the next three years we must harass, thwart, mock and conduct constant wars of attrition against Obama and his minions. We MUST keep the on the defensive. Try to run out the clock so we can stop the corrosion in 2017 and start rebuilding. No one (aside from Elizabeth Warren) who has any shot a the next presidency is anywhere near as toxic as Obama was. Even Hillary would be a "breath of fres air" in that she is merely a power-hungry narcissist; I don't think she has any progressive revolution fire in the belly any more. her presidency would be a boring wasteland of nepotism, backstabbing and bickering. But at least we'd be merely treading water as a nation -- not being actively undermined by diabolical crypto-communists. Three more years. Three more years. Let the campaign of narrative-harassment commence!

Posted by: zombie at November 04, 2013 09:00 PM (+cx5n)

486 @450 But what does not work is running social conservatives who want to criminalize abortion and throw weed smokers in prison. Just not going to happen with this electorate in this state. For those who want to die on those particular hills, okay, go ahead, but they are going to die on those hills, make no mistake. Yet the mistake keeps getting made. ------------------------ We can't even get a parental consent for teens abortion law passed here. >.< You forgot to add that the public employees unions dominate the state pretty heavily as well. That doesn't mean that they control everything quite yet (Prop 8 went through despite *heavy* spending against it by groups like the state teachers' union). But I've even heard complaints from Dems about how heavily the unions have a lock on the government. Part of the problem these days seems to be that who you locally put into office doesn't really matter because the unions are going to squelch out any dissent once your local representative gets to Sacramento.

Posted by: junior at November 04, 2013 09:01 PM (wX+eD)

487 To answer my own question, another skim of the misquote wiki page found this:

"the several races, for instance, of the cabbage"

Fair enough.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 04, 2013 09:01 PM (QzbS9)

488 No one (aside from Elizabeth Warren) who has any shot a the next presidency is anywhere near as toxic as Obama was.

I beg to differ

Posted by: Corey Booker at November 04, 2013 09:02 PM (CMlD4)

489 "Races of plants" sounds nonsensical. Care to show any examples of that usage?
Exterminate the savage asparagus.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 04, 2013 09:03 PM (H0R/1)

490

In Virginia? No, I wouldn't vote for Cuccinelli in a primary. (A guy with his views, but who had a much softer, non culture-warrior profile? Like Bob McDonnell? Absolutely would support him. But specifically Ken Cuccinelli? Nah.) I'd support him in the general election, though, because that's what you do: you suck it up and go with the guy your party chose, whether you think he was the best choice or not.

That's why you were all in for your support of Christine O'Donnel right?

What a dishonest turd.

Posted by: buzzion at November 04, 2013 09:03 PM (LI48c)

491 I beg to differ

Posted by: Corey Booker at November 05, 2013 01:02 AM (CMlD4)

yeah no shit.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at November 04, 2013 09:03 PM (FMbng)

492 445 If I lived in VA I would happily vote for Cuccinelli, and tell everyone else to do so as well.

But you think he shouldn't be on the ballot, see its difficult to vote for a guy whose not on the ballot.
The question is will you vote for him in the primary or convention? Remember, we've been told for years by many like you to hold our nose and vote for the electable guy in the primaries. Why vote for the electable guy who even if he pays lip services to some of our positions, has no track record of actually getting anything done?
Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2013 12:40 AM (CMlD4)

Let me say a word in JeffB's defense here. I can understand how he might irritate some people with his comments but I can't really recall him ever being gratuitously nasty to other commenters. But the same is not true in reverse.

And if I had to put money on the line, I would give more weight to JeffB's political predictions than many other people here. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily happy with his predicted outcomes, but I do think they have the property of being the most likely outcome. Just remember that accurately describing a situation is not the same thing as advocating for it.

For some reason many people on the blog have a quasi-mystical belief that if you state something here, somehow the probability of it happening is affected. But I'm pretty sure AoSHQ comments have about a 0.000% effect on actual election results. And not being allowed to state our actual thoughts on candidates or elections lest we 'tip the quantum balance' somehow makes for a boring and dreary blog.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 04, 2013 09:03 PM (XkotV)

493 >>>So Bolling then, you would have fought for that ass in a convention. So that he might have an outside chance to win and do nothing to support your political positions. (Regardless of who you picked, he was going to be down +$10M, and dealing with McDonnell's ethical baggage).

1.) Hindsight is 20/20. Knowing what I know now about Bolling and the way he has behaved in the current campaign, obviously I have no love lost for him and he's disgraced himself. But in a world where none of that happened (and I didn't know he had it within him to be such a weasel), then yes, I would've voted for him over Cuccinelli.

2.) It really doesn't matter now, but he would have had much more than a mere 'outside chance' of winning, even with Terry Mac's huge money advantage. First of all, Bolling is a much better fundraiser than Cuccinelli (who has always been notably poor at this). Second of all, MacAuliffe isn't winning because of his money. He is already disliked by the Virginia electorate: he currently has a NEGATIVE SEVEN favorability rating. The only problem is...Cuccinelli is at -14. A totally bland, inoffensive GOP candidate -- literally, a "Generic Republican" -- would be beating MacAuliffe handily because people really just don't like him at all...they merely hate Cuccinelli more.

3.) I would have voted for the bastard lovespawn of Nelson Rockefeller, Mac Mathias, and Mike Castle for GOP governor just so long as it prevented Clintonite scum-spawn Terry MacAuliffe from winning the office. Stopping him is an end in itself.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 09:04 PM (n/+FT)

494 Richard Shoop of Teaneck May also be an actor according to one post

Posted by: Thunderb at November 04, 2013 09:05 PM (zOTsN)

495 >>>>She's also like a Commie. She is expected to denounce him; there will be hell to pay if she doesn't. So like a good little party member she publicly denounces the doubleplusungood fellow.>>>>

I'm a writer. I'm housebound, so I can't go on tours or attend launching parties. My parents just died and left me more than enough to last the rest of my life. What with self-publishing, I can now live my dream of writing whatever I want without worrying that some offended twats will blacklist me. I can't be blacklisted because I'm totally on the fringe, literary-world-wise, and it doesn't matter if my books sell or not.

In twenty years I've never met a writer I liked. Female writers are the worst. Everything is oozing with estrogen. I recently read some moronic feminist piece about how male writers always make their female characters too beautiful. We need more homely female characters? What for?

The talentless clown who wrote it started out as a brunette with glasses, and after she became the darling of the East Coast literary world--since her debut novel was about a man's many affairs--she became a blonde, lost thirty pounds, and no longer wears glasses.

Thank God I'll never have to mingle with people like that again.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at November 04, 2013 09:06 PM (1QwWe)

496 Let the campaign of narrative-harassment commence!

Posted by: zombie at November 05, 2013 01:00 AM (+cx5n)

Yes we need a campaign of mockery and ridicule of the Left. Obama is one target, but just a start.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 09:07 PM (3qZbZ)

497 >>>That's why you were all in for your support of Christine O'Donnel right?

What a dishonest turd.

I assume you missed the part where I said the only thing I owe to the GOP is my vote come election day. If I'd lived in Delaware, you bet your sweet bippy I would've voted for O'Donnell. I'm under no compunction to refrain from expressing my opinion of a candidate here in a blog comments section, however. I shouldn't have to counterfeit my opinions for anyone. If I were a public figure or politician? Then it would be quite different: no way would it be okay for me to say stuff like that. But as a private citizen (not even a blogger, just some guy who comments in a blog) you have no right to say that I'm not being "supportive" unless I actually withhold my vote, which I never would do.

So please, don't call me a "dishonest turd."

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 09:08 PM (n/+FT)

498 NYT public editor on that "misspoke" editorial:

http://tinyurl.com/kgs7ffv

LOL, even she agrees that was pathetic.

The rationalizations in the comments are priceless. The NYT liberal reader bubble is an impregnable force field. (Of course, any of them might be Obamabot/ OFA shills, who can tell.)

"This criticism reminds me of the IRS 'conspiracy' earlier this year, when it simply was work overload and frazzled agents."

"When it comes to criticism of this president one learns to discern the origin of the quibbling, and decides how valid it is (see Van Susteren/Fox News)."

"I do not believe it was the President's intent to mislead the American people. I believe he merely overlooked the problem of people losing policies that were, in the main, substandard."

Of course, dears, bless your heart.

Posted by: lael at November 04, 2013 09:08 PM (m6RUG)

499 Richard Shoop You so crazy I think I wanna have your baby! http://youtu.be/4vaN01VLYSQ

Posted by: Salt n Pepa at November 04, 2013 09:09 PM (4BA+Y)

500 Beside the VA gov race isn't there another one maÃ±ana?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 09:09 PM (Yu5xN)

501 Shoop took fencing in high school

Posted by: Thunderb at November 04, 2013 09:09 PM (zOTsN)

502 >>>>Somehow I think this Rachel Edidin, noted lesbian, bragged profusely to her friends while she was getting help from Mr. Card, so she is doing a mea culpa to save herself some of her two face.>>>>

I just Googled her, since I'd never heard of her.

Take a wild guess: Gorgeous or deliberately unattractive?

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at November 04, 2013 09:11 PM (1QwWe)

503 "And if I had to put money on the line, I would give more weight to JeffB's political predictions than many other people here."

Yeah that's cause he takes races that are all but decided and starts with his I told you so routine. It's a shtick to make him feel he has some great insight, nothing more. It's all about him.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 04, 2013 09:11 PM (IV4od)

504 Since the left has turned the personal into the political, it means, as far as they're concerned EVERYTHING is political. So, of course, even if an author painstakingly avoids using his writing as a stage for his personal views, the left has to turn it into that, whether it's there or not. As I was reading that woman's screed against her once mentor and friend Orson Scott Card, it just bugged me no end that she'd put her personal sexual politics before everything else, including judging the guy based on how he treated HER. If you read her words, she no longer considers him even a man; he's a monster, a bigot, etc., even though he treated her with nothing but kindness and respect. After seeing the movie, it sparked a real interest to read the books, and provocative five-letter woman that I am, I plan on taking them with me wherever I go and cracking them open to enjoy. Along with a Chick-fil-A sandwich. Because if the left is going to turn everything into some sort of political statement, then I'm not going to be shy about doing whatever it takes to tick them off. Over and over again. And if anyone asks, I'll answer all I'm doing is enjoying a good book and eating a tasty chicken sandwich -- which will be true. THEY turned it into more than that.

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 09:11 PM (GNZ0/)

505 Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 05, 2013 01:09 AM (Yu5xN)

NJ

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 09:11 PM (3qZbZ)

506 >>>Beside the VA gov race isn't there another one maÃ±ana?

Well he's apparently no longer a Republican anymore, so best to leave that one alone.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 09:12 PM (n/+FT)

507 Oh, speaking of winning in chitown, read they are going to cut snap benefits a little bit Chicago Snap benefits cut There's hope yet for my homeland

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 09:12 PM (Yu5xN)

508 Skinny white kid Has a myspace page

Posted by: Thunderb at November 04, 2013 09:12 PM (zOTsN)

509 I would have voted for the bastard lovespawn of Nelson Rockefeller, Mac Mathias, and Mike Castle

Why?, when regardless if they have an R or D after their name the result is the same. At least with McAuliffle we have the likely spectacle of him resigning prior to an indictment.

The only problem is...Cuccinelli is at -14. Which is partially the function of millions of dollars in negative ads and the undying hatred of the WaPo. Bolling would have withered under the same heat, hell he might have even dropped out in tears.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 09:12 PM (CMlD4)

510 Jeff B is a lying sack of shit in his characterization of Cuccinelli. First off he's calling him Cooch, so fuck Jeff for that. Cucc is not a big culture warrior. No more than McDonnell. Cucc ran the same campaign McD did. He shored up the so-con base early, then ran a campaign almost 100% on econ issues. Jeff B either fell for bullshit WarOnWomen propaganda or, more likely, is an active participant in that propaganda. Jeff B knows he is lying about Cucc's record, but he think it will help destroy the socons he hates so much. Lying sack of shit is a lying sack of shit. I think Cucc will probably lose tomorrow. Polls indicate he will unless there is a last minute surge for him. I don't mind predictions that he loses. I do mind willful lying about the positions of candidates. Jeff B clearly crossed the line in being a willful liar. I and others corrected his misinformation multiple times. He kept repeating the falsehoods. Which means he's a liar.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 04, 2013 09:12 PM (ZPrif)

511 Beside the VA gov race isn't there another one maÃ±ana? Governor of NJ and mayor of NYC are soon if not tomorrow.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 09:13 PM (KDAAY)

512 @492 Maet But what about the cumulative effect of every unhappy primary-voting Republican venting through the general? Donks eventually circle the wagons around any old Comsymp jagoff. To me it is a question of energy and timing. When McCain was the response to Cruz as the filibuster ended, that was an example of as bad as could be. Obviously Jeff B. is nothing like that, but now is the critical time for any late-breaking voters. People on our side are dejected and angry. Rooting for a win without second guessing _today_ is not too much to ask.

Posted by: Beagle at November 04, 2013 09:14 PM (sOtz/)

513 But what does not work is running social conservatives who want to criminalize abortion and throw weed smokers in prison.

We also want to sacrifice every third first-born child.

Posted by: Social Conservatives at November 04, 2013 09:15 PM (Dwehj)

514 As an outsider of the rethugikkkant party let me just say you guys are idiots If you don't stop the infighting you'll never win the senate and you may lose more governors

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 09:15 PM (hXDld)

515 I amend my prediction from robbery to schizo

Posted by: Thunderb at November 04, 2013 09:17 PM (zOTsN)

516 As an outsider of the rethugikkkant party let me just say you guys are idiots
If you don't stop the infighting you'll never win the senate and you may lose more governors Posted by: Navycopjoe

Unfortunately we don't have a Soros' writing big checks to keep everyone in line.

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 09:17 PM (CMlD4)

517 Remember last year when JeffB. was hand-wringing all over the Montana Governors race cause the GOP up there went with a horseshit candidate? Oh that's right he didn't because the race was even all the way through.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 04, 2013 09:18 PM (IV4od)

518 So please, don't call me a "dishonest turd."

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 01:08 AM (n/+FT)

Except Jean already called you out on your attempt at revisionist history to claim that the nomination process was specifically to give Cuccinelli the nomination. Except I have already previously caught you claiming you haven't said something and had to walk it back when I linked directly to it. Except you had a cow when I suggested not offering much support to Scott Brown when he was considering about running for Kerry's vacated seat, yet suddenly it ok to not do anything other than cast your vote on election day when its for a candidate you don't particularly care for.

Posted by: buzzion at November 04, 2013 09:18 PM (LI48c)

519 Jeff B clearly crossed the line in being a willful liar. I and others corrected his misinformation multiple times. He kept repeating the falsehoods. Which means he's a liar.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 01:12 AM (ZPrif)

Pretty sure he is a lawyer so the misinformation and falsehoods are a given.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 09:19 PM (3qZbZ)

520 @504 Because if the left is going to turn everything into some sort of political statement, then I'm not going to be shy about doing whatever it takes to tick them off. Over and over again. And if anyone asks, I'll answer all I'm doing is enjoying a good book and eating a tasty chicken sandwich -- which will be true. THEY turned it into more than that. -------------------- It's what they do. And what probably makes the criticism of Card even louder and more shrill is the fact that Card himself is a liberal. Obviously he's not an orthodox liberal, since he still holds with some SoCon elements due to his LDS beliefs. But the fact that he embraces even some of their political philosophy makes them even more rabid in denouncing him. Brandon Sanderson is also a well-liked LDS author. But since he doesn't put his politics on his sleeve, he'll no doubt escape condemnation by this particular crowd. And what's interesting is just how blatantly unbiased Card is. As was noted above, the Ender books (particularly the ones set on Earth) are filled with positive people from all over the world. One of Card's books, "Magic Street", is set in a middle class black community. The man's books are as inclusive as you could ask for. But it's not inclusiveness that they want.

Posted by: junior at November 04, 2013 09:19 PM (wX+eD)

521 "I think Republicans of any stripe are getting pretty rare in your state. I thought Meg Whitman and Fioriana were moderates - they got thrashed."

Whitman and Fiorina ran afoul of the principle that it's really hard to transition to California politics from a business career.

Note that this even trips up Democrats. I mentioned the horrible Gray Davis previously. The guy Gray Davis had running against him in the Democratic primary that year was Al Checchi, a big-big-big money Democratic businessman. Who has not been heard from since.

The only people in CA who can enter top level politics from business have to have been in the entertainment business. It is the only acceptable route. See also: MURPHY, George; REAGAN, Ronald; and SCHWARZENEGGER, Arnold.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 04, 2013 09:19 PM (gqT4g)

522 516. Hmmm, let me just check the old dem handbook.... Cock bros!!!!!11!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 09:19 PM (hXDld)

523 People on our side are dejected and angry. Rooting for a win without second guessing _today_ is not too much to ask.
Posted by: Beagle at November 05, 2013 01:14 AM (sOtz/)

Then let's be honest and just admit that it's irritating because it disrupts the group mood rather than claiming that it somehow has any effect on the actual election.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 04, 2013 09:19 PM (XkotV)

524 @509 Yeah. It is not a fair fight and the deck is stacked. Ultimately that trumps everything. What they did to Palin they do to Cruz and Cucc (better?).

Posted by: Beagle at November 04, 2013 09:20 PM (sOtz/)

525
Probably d u Tacky.

And I am slightly jealous of your financial independence. But I am happy for you. Definitely, mention your books in the Sunday Book Thread if and when you have them.

Posted by: Teh Liberals at November 04, 2013 09:21 PM (nKUHR)

526 I'll be on a poll for three hours tomorrow morning, so I guess I'll shove off

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2013 09:21 PM (CMlD4)

527

Posted by: zombie at November 05, 2013 01:00 AM (+cx5n)

The question you must ask... is Obama Symptom? or Cause?

I think an Obama was inevitable... he is just the face of the culture we now have...

There are three things at play... Celebrity (being famous for being famous, ie, a media creation)... the buying off of the Voting Mob with Free Shit... and the Lefts idea that the Collective or group is more important than the Natural Rights of the individual.

Those are historic trends... that Obama puts a face on... but even without him, those trends would still have progressed...

We are seeing the EXACT scenario with Democracy that our Forefathers were so afraid would happen, that they gave us a Republic, instead of a Democracy.... too bad we morphed into said Democracy...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 04, 2013 09:21 PM (lZBBB)

528
Off teh liberal sock. D'oh.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 04, 2013 09:22 PM (nKUHR)

529 523. This It seems like the more irritating it gets the more people say screw and don't get to the polls That is the biggest mistake IMO

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 09:23 PM (hXDld)

530 I'm confused. Found this when googling her: About Rachel Edidin Rachel Edidin is a comics editor, freelance writer, and academic expat. She lives in Portland, Oregon, with a nice man, a lumpy cat, and enough boxes of comics to build a reasonably respectable fort. Um... how much of a lesbian can she be if she's living with a nice man? Is it for protection? To split the rent? What?

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 09:23 PM (GNZ0/)

531 @523 I am not conceding that the militant message discipline of the Left is irrelevant in why they win. But, sure, if Cucc loses I would look for more than Jeff B. commenting here.

Posted by: Beagle at November 04, 2013 09:25 PM (sOtz/)

532 527. Nah, we're still a republic I think the problem is all cultural I mean it seems more people can name every kardasian but how many can name their senators? Started when parents started using tv's to babysit their kids

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 09:27 PM (i4RhQ)

533 >>>Jeff B is a lying sack of shit in his characterization of Cuccinelli. First off he's calling him Cooch, so fuck Jeff for that.

Um...are you from Virginia or the region? Cuccinelli calls himself that. His supporters do. Everyone does. Political reporters. GOP partisans. Everyone. It's been his nickname for as long as he's been in politics. I can well remember the "VOTE COOCH" fliers we handed out when I was canvassing for him in 2002 and 2003 during his State Senate campaigns in Fairfax.

It's weird, and amusing, that you think it's some sort of slur on him.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 09:28 PM (n/+FT)

534 Flatbush Joe calls me a liar. It's an unfair charge, and ridiculous particularly given that -- and note I didn't go and just drop this early on as some sort of validating 'credibility enhancer' -- I actually put in hours to GET THE GUY ELECTED back when he was running against Catherine Belter and Jim Mitchell in his State Senate campaigns. I don't hate him -- I actually respect Cuccinelli quite a bit, think he's a very, very smart and sharp guy, and think he'd make a great governor.

But he's going to lose. And he's going to lose in large part because of the way he branded himself after winning the AG race in 2009. It was a conscious decision on his part, and he's had a very hard time running away from it since then in light of the continued demographic changes of the state.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 09:32 PM (n/+FT)

535

Morning morons from the salt mines.

Did anyone point out to Maet that Ender's Game was, in fact, originally a short story and only subsequently expanded into a novel?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 04, 2013 09:32 PM (b2cFu)

536 "Advanced Resolution Specialist"? Hmm. Sounds like Harvey Keitel in "Pulp Fiction."

Posted by: rrpjr at November 04, 2013 09:33 PM (D4yYX)

537

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 05, 2013 01:27 AM (i4RhQ)

When the Government can force you to buy something? We are no longer a Republic based on the US Constitution.... the plainly written rule of law is toast...

Property Rights? out the window... Freedom of Choice?... gone... Freedom of Association (who to do business with?).... Aloha....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 04, 2013 09:34 PM (lZBBB)

538 >>>>And I am slightly jealous of your financial independence. But I am happy for you. Definitely, mention your books in the Sunday Book Thread if and when you have them.>>>>

Please, please, please don't be jealous. My life has been a shambles for fifty-one years. Though I'm grateful to my parents for making sure I won't end up homeless, the cost was astronomical. They created a factory that produced six identical misfits who careen from one disaster to another, cut off from the world and unable to cope. Former drunks, druggies, and gobblers all.

My parents' deaths were the most appalling, horrible, mind-warping experiences I've ever had. One of the reasons I'm housebound is because I blew out my immune system from rage. The last year shaved another decade off my life, I'm sure. What do you do when your parents deny they have cancer and refuse to cooperate in their treatment BUT are terrified of dying?

I owe most of my situation to my brother, who controls my finances and has gotten us a 10 percent return on our investments even during the worst of the financial crisis. He's a genius.

Still, I wouldn't wish my life on anybody. I sent my memoir to the book guy here, but I have no idea if he ever covered it. I offered to send a copy to Ace. He never responded.

I'm done groveling for attention. I publish and forget. It's fucking great. I have a friend who's an officer in a foreign army that's pretty much an enemy of ours, but we're pals. He has a deeply mordant sense of humor.

"In fifty years you'll be recognized as a great author," he assures me.

So that's my goal. I hope to leave behind a body of work that'll make people feel guilty that they ignored me when I was alive.

That'll fix them!

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at November 04, 2013 09:34 PM (1QwWe)

539 Did anyone point out to Maet that Ender's Game was, in fact, originally a short story and only subsequently expanded into a novel?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 05, 2013 01:32 AM (b2cFu)

Yeah, its been pointed out.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 04, 2013 09:35 PM (3qZbZ)

540 Jeff B: are you sure it's "branding" or is he just a conviction politician, for which he should be admired, running in a state that doesn't share his convictions?

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 09:35 PM (KDAAY)

541 537. Good points

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 04, 2013 09:36 PM (i4RhQ)

542 The country is marching left. No one has brought up DeBlasio. To think they would throw away everything and endanger their prosperity by putting this full on Marxist in. The center just keeps moving left. It's not just Obama, either.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 09:39 PM (KDAAY)

543 >>>>Rachel Edidin is a comics editor, freelance writer, and academic expat. She lives in Portland, Oregon, with a nice man, a lumpy cat, and enough boxes of comics to build a reasonably respectable fort.
Um... how much of a lesbian can she be if she's living with a nice man? Is it for protection? To split the rent? What?>>>>

The new gay is hetero. Really. There's a picture of her online with her man. She's starting to get fat, which means she's in the ultra-hetero phase of her gayness.

None of makes sense. All you need to know about her is that she's catastrophically dull, she's a little fishie swimming in tandem with the giant school, and she's emotionally retarded.

She's one of the millions of trivial, disposable people who will leave absolutely no trace behind when she's gone.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at November 04, 2013 09:40 PM (1QwWe)

544 542 The country is marching left. No one has brought up DeBlasio. To think they would throw away everything and endanger their prosperity by putting this full on Marxist in. The center just keeps moving left. It's not just Obama, either. Posted by: Jane at November 05, 2013 01:39 AM (KDAAY) --Fuck 'em. New York City has some nice enough places, but ultimately do we need it? Let it burn.

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 09:42 PM (4BA+Y)

545 >>>Jeff B: are you sure it's "branding" or is he just a conviction politician, for which he should be admired, running in a state that doesn't share his convictions?

Well it's both, really. Cuccinelli was a socially-conservative guy when he was a State Senator representing part of Fairfax, which is actually what made his victories in those three races so remarkable (he won a special election in 2002, his first general elex in 2003 -- I did gruntwork for his campaign on both of those -- and hung on by the skin of his teeth in 2007). Because Fairfarx isn't exactly a bastion of social conservatism. But Cooch was a hard campaigner, and did a great job of getting out there and connecting with damn near each and every voter in the district...and he's smart and wonky as hell, which sells well in Fairfax. So he was able to overcome his social conservatism -- and make no mistake, this fact was WELL remarked-upon by state politics mavens -- by soft-pedaling it and instead emphasizing fiscal and economic questions, particularly education and traffic matters (traffic is a huge fucking deal in Northern Virginia).

Come 2009 and the advent of the Tea Party, however, he clearly made a strategic decision to throw his lot in with the socially conservative wing of the state GOP (note that although the TP began as fiscally focused, the lines began to blur pretty quickly). After winning the state AG election -- and note he actually did slightly BETTER than Bolling did in the LG race -- he tacked hard towards the Tea Party/so-con wing in his political outreach and public appearances. These were in keeping with his prior beliefs -- Cooch isn't a hypocrite or anything, far from it -- but were aspects of his political persona that he had previously backburnered when running in Fairfax.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 09:44 PM (n/+FT)

546 544 That's where my family is from. It truly was a great place once, logprof. I was arguing with my mother the other night. She's been gone too long. There are few middle class people left there now. So perhaps it should burn.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 09:45 PM (KDAAY)

547 pretty sure I have that copy of Analog. Should be in the same box that contains the Flowers for Algernon short (April 1959 Fantasy and Science Fiction Mag) and the Analog with Weyr Search in it.

Kinda makes me want to dig out my first edition of Some of Your Blood. Still find it funny that Sturgeon was a full blown and proud nudist

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 09:45 PM (vJdyz)

548 544 >> --Fuck 'em. New York City has some nice enough places, but ultimately do we need it?

Yep. I'm with logprof, that Canuck egg sucking bastid. LiB. The entire NE corridor is filled with Marxist wannabees. I can't gin up much outrage about their choices in leadership.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 09:47 PM (wNF3N)

549 545 My belief is that the country as a whole is moving left on social issues as well as economic. That upsets others - for every action there's a reaction. Cucc was probably responding to that reaction. Also, he is a Catholic - an observant one, not the Terry McCauliff kind.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 09:49 PM (KDAAY)

550 I really should go to bed now. I just have to say that I really get tired of being accused of speaking in bad faith. In this thread it's buzzion and Flatbush Joe. Other times it's other folks. The one constant: I don't even write in bad faith. I don't ever lie. I get things wrong, fuck up, make mistakes, sure, all that stuff -- I'm human. But I'm tired of being treated like garbage by some folks around here merely because I'm saying things they don't want to hear. Stop assuming that I'm "gloating" or whatever merely because I'm being insistent on points that irk you. Trust me, you'd know what gloating looks like if were I indulging in it (see: the standard Hollowpoint comment).

Otherwise, I just want to call 'em as I see 'em. And I'm happy to be met with disagreement, and engage in debate, and agree to disagree if it comes to that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2013 09:50 PM (n/+FT)

551 550 I hate it when people get emotional and rude. Sorry you've been the recipient of that.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 09:52 PM (KDAAY)

552 >> Also, he is a Catholic - an observant one, not the Terry McCauliffe kind.

Heh. Hey Jane, remember when the election of JFK was of major concern since he was a Catholic? Many folk were concerned that he would obey the Pope rather than the Constitution (this is back when the Pope had a much wider power base).

Good times, I guess.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 09:53 PM (wNF3N)

553 552 Yes. Little did they know obeying the Pope was the last thing the Kennedy's would do! Ted, especially. I really loathe that family.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 09:55 PM (KDAAY)

554 Yeah it must really suck to get called out for being dishonest with past examples that demonstrate your dishonesty.

Posted by: buzzion at November 04, 2013 09:56 PM (LI48c)

555 553 552 Yes. Little did they know obeying the Pope was the last thing the Kennedy's would do! Ted, especially. I really loathe that family. Posted by: Jane at November 05, 2013 01:55 AM (KDAAY) Oh no no no! The Kennedy template is the quintessence of Catholic social teaching!

Posted by: Cafeteria Catholics everywhere at November 04, 2013 09:57 PM (4BA+Y)

556 @542 When I typed "comsymp jagoff" I was thinking of DeBlasio aka whatever other names. Night horde.

Posted by: Beagle at November 04, 2013 09:59 PM (sOtz/)

557 555 Let's hear it for the seamless garment.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 10:00 PM (KDAAY)

558 557 555 Let's hear it for the seamless garment. Posted by: Jane at November 05, 2013 02:00 AM (KDAAY) Indeed, if you do not support free school lunches you cannot oppose abortion at all FTW!

Posted by: Cafeteria Catholics Across America at November 04, 2013 10:01 PM (4BA+Y)

559 556 I look forward to the DeBlasio reign. In a fascinated, deer in the headlights fashion.

I'll feel bad for New Yorkers, but not really.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 10:02 PM (wNF3N)

560 And if you don't support illegal immigration, you are going straight to hell. Dante would put you in the center ring.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 10:03 PM (KDAAY)

561 Jane, Not sure I agree with you about the country moving leftward in all things. For myself, I'm moving ever rightward. Won't say I'm a true conservative, but I'm certainly a conservative-leaning libertarian at this point. Part of the reason I've moved more to the right is the sheer bullying douchebaginess of the left. Whether it's pushing third-trimester abortions as some sort of civil right, or pushing gay marriage in the same way -- all the while demonizing anyone who disagrees with you even the slightest little bit. They make me very much against their position. I can't think I'm alone in that. Then again, maybe I am. Or maybe the whole country is more polarized in the terms of good and evil -- evil is easy, all it takes is to do whatever the heck you want. Being good is hard, thankless, and requires a lot of sacrifices. So much simpler and easier to just embrace the philosophy of "whatever I want, and I want it NOW!" That's how it's breaking down: the dumb, greedy, lazy people get promised free stuff and absolution for any sin. Get your lifestyle choices validated while you wait! It's normal for YOU! The good, hardworking, self-sacrificing are demonized as haters, racists, economic and domestic terrorists, all for thinking maybe government should spend within its means, just like your family has to. We see the side of "do whatever feels good" celebrated everywhere -- from dem politicians and the media, to entertainment, the schools, even some churches. While the side of "do what's right" is demonized, ridiculed, and called a bunch of prudes. I think there are a lot more people who side with us than we know, but many are too scared to publicly admit how they feel, for fear of being ostracized. Or maybe that's just my wishful thinking...

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 10:04 PM (GNZ0/)

562 Hey what's up you half-**** POS???

Posted by: Richie Incognito at November 04, 2013 10:05 PM (4BA+Y)

563 545 --- Part of Cuccinelli's (apparent) transformation has to do with the nature of his position. AGs have almost nothing to do with economic and fiscal policy. Had Cuccinelli been governor, he undoubtedly would have spent 90% of his energy on such things. Also, the MSM (and WaPo especially) ratcheted up their campaign again ALL conservatives after Obama's election and especially after the Tea Party appeared. Cuccinelli was caught in their crossfire and branded by them. Eh. It is what it is. So we get a complete POS for governor. And I suppose a POS for AG too, although even The Roanoke Times (decidedly left of center) endorsed Obenchain. It's been a filthy and dishonest campaign --- not surprising, considering who leads the Dem ticket.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 04, 2013 10:06 PM (dfYL9)

564 Hey Manchin I'm gunnin' for your fuckin' seat, you n*****lovin' motherfucker!

Posted by: R. Incognito (D) at November 04, 2013 10:06 PM (4BA+Y)

565 Good insights, Elaine. I guess maybe it's more precise to say the elites and institutions are all moving left. The courts, especially, but also everything else. And ordinary people who are afraid to buck the conventional wisdom - you just wish they'd do it in the secrecy of the voting booth.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 10:08 PM (KDAAY)

566 559 556 I look forward to the DeBlasio reign. In a fascinated, deer in the headlights fashion.

I'll feel bad for New Yorkers, but not really.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 05, 2013 02:02 AM (wNF3N)

The next election might be interesting. With them experiencing someone that's possibly beyond Bloomberg in tyranny, and without the sideshow of the competition between Wiener vs. the Strap-on, can they possibly get a Republican candidate that can tout restoring the basic freedoms to the people of the city as a platform?

Posted by: buzzion at November 04, 2013 10:09 PM (LI48c)

567 Jane, I think they will do it in the secrecy of the voting booth, especially now that 0-care has proven to be such a massive and expensive fail. The scales are starting to fall for some of them. Maybe some are so ideological that they can't see the error of their ways, but insight can be a long journey for some. Give them time...

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 10:12 PM (GNZ0/)

568 563 What's scary about it is how powerful the left is and how they can easily just toss tens of millions against us in a single governor's race. They seem to have all the money. I can't figure out if the super wealthy guys are most offended by Cucc stance on global warming or social issues.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 10:13 PM (KDAAY)

569 Here is a question for the moron horde, which I know contains more than one lawyer.

Guy that hires me asks for a W-9. This is fairly standard in my biz. I send him one filled out, via USPS. I tell him no way should this form be transmitted by email.

He gets it, scans it, emails it to 4 different people whom I do not know, and he cc'd me just to be on the safe side.

Can I sue this brainless son of a bitch?

Posted by: navybrat at November 04, 2013 10:15 PM (pUKr6)

570 Well shit, I was brought up Democrat!

Posted by: Riley Cooper at November 04, 2013 10:16 PM (4BA+Y)

571 Idk nuking California may get you more allies in the south then enemies. If they really want to see a southern boys wrath they would have to hit Tennessee (Jack Daniels) or somewhere of equal alcoholic importance.

Posted by: Def at November 04, 2013 10:17 PM (kufii)

572 568 --- What's scary about it is how powerful the left is and how they can easily just toss tens of millions against us in a single governor's race. They seem to have all the money. I can't figure out if the super wealthy guys are most offended by Cucc stance on global warming or social issues. Posted by: Jane at November 05, 2013 02:13 AM (KDAAY) -------------------- McAuliffe is a top-rung Clitonista. It's Clinton-crony money. They couldn't even buy him the nomination in 2009 because they were tapped out after Hillary's run. Now they are loaded and they see this as Hillary's first stop on the train to glory!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 04, 2013 10:19 PM (dfYL9)

573 My hubby has a leftist sister with a very leftist husband. The two of them (my SIL and her hubby) will parrot all the appropriate leftist memes, like how evil Wal-mart is, and then in the next sentence will tell you about one of their nephews who works for Wal-mart and has gotten his education paid for by the company and been moved up the ladder. And then, as if to atone for their transgression of saying something positive about "teh evel" Wal-mart, they repeat how evil Wal-mart is. It doesn't matter what the topic is, they'll parrot the appropriate leftist cliches, even when those cliches aren't borne out by their own personal experience and knowledge. It's unthinking, knee-jerk reaction, all conditioned response to stimulus. I'm hoping 0-care will break past that with some of these leftists. Next year will be the determiner -- if the dems kick 0-care's employer mandate down the road another year or not. People tend to "get religion" or insight when it gets really personal by hitting them in their wallet.

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 10:19 PM (GNZ0/)

574 569 Who did he send it to?

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 10:21 PM (KDAAY)

575 Goodnight ONT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-2aNnij82U

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 04, 2013 10:21 PM (DmNpO)

576 "Who did he send it to?"

4 recipients who I do not know. They could be in accounting. But it doesn't matter. Emails are not secure. The W9 has my ss number and my signature on it.

I have steam shooting out of my ears over this.

Posted by: navybrat at November 04, 2013 10:25 PM (pUKr6)

577 Sun Tzu basically taught that the army that occupies that battle field first and awaits the enemy is at ease, and the opposing army that has to race to the battlefield will be fatigued. This is why we lose. The left occupies the battlefield. The own the media. and they are agitators. They create "issues" and occupy the battlefield first. The war on women, Romney's binders,, etc etc are all examples of this. There are tons and tons of them.

War on woman? That wasn't an issue until they fucking made it one. They create the issue, they occupy the field first, and then wait for the repubs to arrive while the left's asslickers iin the media snipe at them the whole way. This shit has to stop. We need to do the same, and if it means stooping to their level so fucking be it. If they lie, call them liars. Don't play their game when they create an issue. The media and the left are in cahoots at a sinister level. When they want to target someone they get a reporter to ask a question that is designed to trip the person up allowing the dems to create the issue.

When I saw cunty couric ask sarah palin what magazines she reads I yelled at the TV "don't do it", meaning she should have immediately went on the offensive and said something along the lines of "wtf, do you think we don't have books in alaska you elitist prick?" and stopped it right in it's tracks. It would have put couric on the defensive and blow her line of attack It was a setup, they wanted palin to fit their predetermined battlefield by showing she was indeed a chill billy by answering field and stream, guns and ammo, and fish gutting made easy, OR getting her to prove she was retard. This is how they work. Repubs better get with the program, start thinking faster on their feet, and start operating under the understanding that every fucking question the media asks of them is a setup designed to launch an "issue" and learn how to avoid it. Then the left takes all these issues, throws them in a bag for safe keeping so their ball lickers in the media can throw them all at repub candidates during debates and make them once again race to that same fucking battlefield .This is the reason why the media throws softball questions during interviews with dems, because they are geared to make the dem look reasonable and likeable and giving up no ground for the repubs to create an "issue" with, like they would anyway being the gutless turds most of them are. We need to stop playing on dem created battlefields and start creating our own, and if it takes creative out of the box thinking so be it, but it needs to happen. Answers to questions about anything the left likes to rally on needs coordinated tactical thinking. Lie, cheat, I don't give a fuck, because they sure don't. Its war.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at November 04, 2013 10:28 PM (FMbng)

578 576 Unfortunately, I have a feeling this carelessness with private info happens all the time. I don't know of any IRS prohibitions against emailing it which they would argue is for a business purpose. Usually you have to prove up damages if you're going to sue someone.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 10:35 PM (KDAAY)

579
For the next three years we must harass, thwart, mock and conduct constant wars of attrition against Obama and his minions. We MUST keep the on the defensive. Try to run out the clock so we can stop the corrosion in 2017 and start rebuilding.

No one (aside from Elizabeth Warren) who has any shot a the next presidency is anywhere near as toxic as Obama was. Even Hillary would be a "breath of fres air" in that she is merely a power-hungry narcissist; I don't think she has any progressive revolution fire in the belly any more. her presidency would be a boring wasteland of nepotism, backstabbing and bickering. But at least we'd be merely treading water as a nation -- not being actively undermined by diabolical crypto-communists.

Three more years. Three more years.

Let the campaign of narrative-harassment commence!

Posted by: zombie at November 05, 2013 01:00 AM (+cx5n)

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I have been wondering for a while now what this whole situation is going to be like when the right finally moves from complaining to actual action of some sort. Sadly, the actions that will be required will be uncomfortable and will have consequences. More than one price will have to be paid. Way too many decent people will lose some or all of the things they have worked hard to earn.

Eventually though, freedom will be lost to those who wait too long to take action to prevent their own enslavement. I remain really curious how the future will unfold.

Posted by: jc at November 04, 2013 10:37 PM (PlzOe)

580 577 ---- AMEN. Preach it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 04, 2013 10:38 PM (dfYL9)

581 A mock up of Jay Carney melting down in response to a question from someone on ABC on Obamacare: https://vine.co/v/hjUYJTeOLPI From a commentator at "Legal Insurrection " "Carney, the finger pointing, haranguing tyrant nerd, is perhaps the best encapsulated face of our Left-Wing Overlords."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 04, 2013 10:39 PM (23Kgq)

582 What have the democrats done to the Chinese? Those targets will sure change the voting results in America.

Posted by: Goatweed at November 04, 2013 10:40 PM (8HrdX)

583 By the time I am damaged, it is too late.
I think I will just pummel the guy's brains out. He isn't using them anyway.

Posted by: navybrat at November 04, 2013 10:43 PM (pUKr6)

584 Sadly, the actions that will be required will be uncomfortable and will have consequences. More than one price will have to be paid. What happens first? Huge demonstrations? National strike? Get in the streets?

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 10:43 PM (KDAAY)

585 I can't think I'm alone in that. Then again, maybe I am. No, you're not alone. Up until 2008 I voted Democratic too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 04, 2013 10:46 PM (23Kgq)

586 585 I haven't voted democrat in a long time. What made you change?

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 10:48 PM (KDAAY)

587 577 Sun Tzu basically taught that the
army that occupies that battle field first and awaits the enemy is at
ease, and the opposing army that has to race to the battlefield will be
fatigued. This is why we lose. The left occupies the battlefield. The
own the media. and they are agitators. They create "issues" and occupy
the battlefield first. The war on women, Romney's binders,, etc etc are
all examples of this. There are tons and tons of them.

War on woman? That wasn't an issue
until they fucking made it one. They create the issue, they occupy the
field first, and then wait for the repubs to arrive while the left's
asslickers iin the media snipe at them the whole way. This shit has to
stop. We need to do the same, and if it means stooping to their level so
fucking be it. If they lie, call them liars. Don't play their game when they create an issue. The media and the left are in cahoots at a sinister level. When they want to target someone they get a reporter to ask a question that is designed to trip the person up allowing the dems to create the issue.

When I saw cunty couric ask sarah palin what magazines she reads I yelled at the TV "don't do it", meaning she should have immediately went on the offensive and said something along the lines of "wtf, do you think we don't have books in alaska you elitist prick?" and stopped it right in it's tracks. It would have put couric on the defensive and blow her line of attack It was a setup, they wanted palin to fit their predetermined battlefield by showing she was indeed a chill billy by answering field and stream, guns and ammo, and fish gutting made easy, OR getting her to prove she was retard. This is how they work. Repubs better get with the program, start thinking faster on their feet, and start operating under the understanding that every fucking question the media asks of them is a setup designed to launch an "issue" and learn how to avoid it. Then the left takes all these issues, throws them in a bag for safe keeping so their ball lickers in the media can throw them all at repub candidates during debates and make them once again race to that same fucking battlefield .This is the reason why the media throws softball questions during interviews with dems, because they are geared to make the dem look reasonable and likeable and giving up no ground for the repubs to create an "issue" with, like they would anyway being the gutless turds most of them are. We need to stop playing on dem created battlefields and start creating our own, and if it takes creative out of the box thinking so be it, but it needs to happen. Answers to questions about anything the left likes to rally on needs coordinated tactical thinking. Lie, cheat, I don't give a fuck, because they sure don't. Its war.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at November 05, 2013 02:28 AM (FMbng)

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suggestion -- don't accept any of the premises embedded above.

You have made a case for not playing the media game by their rules. OK, but it is also important to challenge the assumptions at a level below that. Who approves the media paychecks? Why? One doesn't have to know the answers to these questions to gain something by getting other people to engage their own paranoia about them.

There was a time when I knew that KMart was finished. It happened when I heard a combo Boat Person/KMart joke. Once a mystique or credibility dies there is nothing that can be done. Of course that may explain our situation today. It may be true that the Republican brand is so tarnished that there is nothing that can be done to save it.

However, the media/leftist brand is just as susceptible. The question is when will the right quit just taking it and seriously, unmercifully, and unrelently attack?

Posted by: jc at November 04, 2013 10:50 PM (PlzOe)

588 darn -- make that 'unrelentingly'

Posted by: jc at November 04, 2013 10:51 PM (PlzOe)

589 584 Sadly, the actions that will be required will be uncomfortable and will have consequences. More than one price will have to be paid.

What happens first? Huge demonstrations? National strike? Get in the streets?

Posted by: Jane at November 05, 2013 02:43 AM (KDAAY)

===

The very questions I keep asking myself. Right now we seem to be willing to just take it and complain. Will that ever change?

Posted by: jc at November 04, 2013 10:56 PM (PlzOe)

590 Posted by: Jane at November 05, 2013 02:48 AM (KDAAY) Two things: The more I learned about the political background and ideology of Obama, the more I disliked him and knew I could never vote for him. In addition,the unrelenting vicious attacks on Palin. The huge leftward lurch under the Democrats just turned me off although it wasn't that apparent to me until the run up to the 2008 election. It didn't help that "loving and tolerant" leftists on political sites were telling me that they hoped my teen son became a prostitute or died in front of me in absolute agony alll because I differed from them in my political views.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 04, 2013 11:01 PM (23Kgq)

591 One thing I think our side needs to start doing is heckling. Mercilessly. Whenever a democrat goes somewhere to make a speech, we need to be there. When they lay out some plan they want to enact, we need to then yell, "Why should we trust you with this when you screwed up healthcare?" Any topic they bring up, we respond the same way. Gay marriage? Yep. Immigration? Hell to the yes. Education? Raising the minimum wage? Bailing out x industry? Doesn't matter. We need to hammer them on the 0-care screw up. Daily. Make them AFRAID to come outside democrat strongholds, and even within the areas they think they're safe, we need to be there, hammering this issue. And we need to start holding the media accountable, asking them, "Why didn't you ask them about this before they turned it into a bad law?"

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 11:09 PM (GNZ0/)

592 All right, time to pack it in. 'Night, y'all!

Posted by: logprof at November 04, 2013 11:11 PM (4BA+Y)

593 Yes, I've been thinking we need to ramp up the heckling too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 04, 2013 11:12 PM (23Kgq)

594 I never voted dem, ever. I wasn't old enough to vote for Reagan the first time around, but man I did see what a frigging mess carter made of things. I guess I started paying attention back then, and it seemed like clockwork that everything that meant anything to me was constantly shit on by the dems. The cars I liked, the military, the constitution, guns, shit even to this day with the guitars I like are targeted by the left.Yeah, also having a few vietnam vets in the family who got such a nice welcome home by these scumbags had me a tad suspicious at a young age too.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at November 04, 2013 11:15 PM (FMbng)

595 NDH,

My least favorite, that ckufing hand that rises from the lake at the end.

It's a river. The dam wasn't finished yet. Now it's just a skeleton waving from the bottom.

Happy late Halloween.

Posted by: DaveA at November 04, 2013 11:16 PM (DL2i+)

596 Spot on elaine, spot on

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 04, 2013 11:17 PM (FwESV)

597 Doesn't matter. We need to hammer them on the 0-care screw up. Daily.

Make them AFRAID to come outside democrat strongholds, and even within the areas they think they're safe, we need to be there, hammering this issue.

And we need to start holding the media accountable, asking them, "Why didn't you ask them about this before they turned it into a bad law?"

Posted by: elaine at November 05, 2013 03:09 AM (GNZ0/)

===

I often wonder why we gave up the ground that we have a right to the full ownership of the time between our birth and our death and what we earn with that time.

How did it become true that the only people that actually own the time in their life are welfare recipients? Why did we stop challenging that belief?

Posted by: jc at November 04, 2013 11:18 PM (PlzOe)

598 Posted by: elaine at November 05, 2013 02:04 AM (GNZ0/) Good thoughtful post, elaine As a person of religious faith none of this evil surprises me. It appalls me-doesn't surprise me. Goodnight.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 04, 2013 11:18 PM (23Kgq)

599 Fenelon and Jane, I gave up supporting democrats during the Clinton era, when I saw that NOW had a double standard when it came to demonizing Clarence Thomas, but when Billy-boy was accused of sexual harassment of a much worse nature, NOW turned on the accusers. At that point I was done with the left and haven't looked back. Point is, you, me... we demonstrate that women aren't a lost cause for conservatives/libertarians. They just need to be shown how leftism doesn't really care about women at all. I think 0-care is going to do that, in spades. Here in the West, we've been insulated from how bad most of the women of the world have had it for most of human history. We have it so good here; yet feminists spend their time complaining about imagined slights and "coded" misogyny. Wait until they're having to choose between buying food or paying for the monthly 0-care-jacked-up premiums. It won't be pretty when it comes to that point, but it'll be an awakening for them...

Posted by: elaine at November 04, 2013 11:18 PM (GNZ0/)

600 One more thing-What I was surprised at was how vicious leftist could be I'd never claim to be a perfect person or even close to it, but it wouldn't even occur to me when I was a liberal to wish death or harm on the children of conservatives simply because I disagreed with him Barack Obama brought up to worst in them because he really was the messiah for many of them, and if you challenged that he was going to bring in utopia you were considered a heretic

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 04, 2013 11:27 PM (23Kgq)

601 Ithink the degree of "not pretty" might stun even the conservative folks as we'll all have to deal with the fallout. I was sruck in Athens when massive strikes broke out and even the non-political-just-wanna-live-my-life types were impacted. Its a grim picture indeed.

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 04, 2013 11:29 PM (FwESV)

602 One of the simple things that I believe would help a great deal is if we had a 'truth in pay stubs act."

In other words, make it mandatory for every pay stub to show every employee the total of amount of extra cost that goes along with their pay -- every single government mandate lowers your paycheck by some amount. Every employee should see the entire total on every check. And no bullshit such as "employers matching contribution" where the government gets to hide how much they really take.

Posted by: jc at November 04, 2013 11:36 PM (PlzOe)

603 Here in the West, we've been insulated from how bad most of the women of the world have had it for most of human history. I went to China a few years ago and in preparation learned a little about Chinese history. Women were treated, with very few exceptions, like absolute dirt throughout their history. Extreme cruelty. And we won't get started with the Islamic world or the extreme rape perpetrated against women in the Congo. How about all the sex selection producing a hugely disproportionate number of female abortions in places like Asia? Yes, these feminists are living in a dream world.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2013 11:40 PM (KDAAY)

604 Victor Hanson talks about the luxury westerners have of self hating, white guilt, etc in his book "Ripples of Battle". Itseems every society that was wealthy in every era had a self loathing class that still enjoyed the fruits of that society while bitxhing about how bad they were. Fuck them.

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 04, 2013 11:46 PM (FwESV)

605 Here in the West, we've been insulated from how bad most of the women of the world have had it for most of human history. I went to China a few years ago and in preparation learned a little about Chinese history. Women were treated, with very few exceptions, like absolute dirt throughout their history. Extreme cruelty. And we won't get started with the Islamic world or the extreme rape perpetrated against women in the Congo. How about all the sex selection producing a hugely disproportionate number of female abortions in places like Asia? Yes, these feminists are living in a dream world. Posted by: Jane at November 05, 2013 03:40 AM (KDAAY)/i] ButÂ… butÂ… Kyriarchy!!1!`~eleventy!!1!

Posted by: Typical Critical Studies Graduate Student at November 04, 2013 11:47 PM (Vk2pI)

606 Is it OK to fap in here? I already got my junk out.

Posted by: MINEMINEMINE!! at November 04, 2013 11:47 PM (Y1TOm)

607 Drinking Value rite and everything.

Posted by: MINEMINEMINE!! at November 04, 2013 11:48 PM (Y1TOm)

608 Orson Scott Card is monstrously homophobic; he's racist; he advocates violence and lobbies against fundamental human rights and equates criticism of those stances with his own hate speech. Let me guess: Gave some money to support Prop 8.

Posted by: Jesse at November 04, 2013 11:55 PM (mpTrn)

609 The Indian Mars launch is still on schedule at T-6 minutes. Live coverage on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcSDOkDvyQ

Posted by: rickl at November 05, 2013 12:03 AM (sdi6R)

610 rson Scott Card is monstrously homophobic; he's racist; he advocates violence and lobbies against fundamental human rights and equates criticism of those stances with his own hate speech. Let me guess: Gave some money to support Prop 8. Posted by: Jesse at November 05, 2013 03:55 AM (mpTrn) And those LGBTQ champions of tolerance went after anyone who contributed to it, and especially went after Mormon churches. They claim they are not hypocrites because they were only going after "intolerance H8ers" - which ignores that fact that they themselves refuse to respect or tolerate those who are willing to tolerate, leave alone, and even otherwise respect LGBTQ individuals, but not outright affirm their proclivities.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 05, 2013 12:04 AM (Vk2pI)

611 They claim they are not hypocrites because they were only going after "intolerance H8ers" - which ignores that fact that they themselves refuse to respect or tolerate those who are willing to tolerate, leave alone, and even otherwise respect LGBTQ individuals, but not outright affirm their proclivities.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 05, 2013 04:04 AM (Vk2pI)

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1 finger pointing out is always 3 fingers pointing back.

Posted by: jc at November 05, 2013 12:08 AM (PlzOe)

612 608 and 610 -- The quote you offered is from a post where the author doesn't even bother to explain any of her statements; she simply offers them up as gospel. What's worse, she offers them up, in spite of her own personal experience of OSC, who showed her nothing but kindness and respect. I can understand -- though not condone -- someone demonizing someone they don't know but have been told doesn't share their groupthink. I cannot understand someone who demonizes someone with whom they've had a personal relationship and were treated well in that relationship.

Posted by: elaine at November 05, 2013 12:11 AM (GNZ0/)

613 . I cannot understand someone who demonizes someone with whom they've had a personal relationship and were treated well in that relationship. ---------- The worst kind of example of ingratitude. Disgusting.

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 05, 2013 12:17 AM (FwESV)

614

I can understand -- though not condone -- someone demonizing someone they don't know but have been told doesn't share their groupthink. I cannot understand someone who demonizes someone with whom they've had a personal relationship and were treated well in that relationship.

A Mr. Stalin would like to speak with you about a Mr. Trotsky...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 05, 2013 12:17 AM (b2cFu)

615 I wasn't a huge fan of the book, "Ender's Game" but if you were you will likely enjoy the movie.

I thought it held very close to its source.

Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at November 05, 2013 12:35 AM (FtCW+)

616 The abuse of Orson Scott Card by the girl that he mentored is an interesting thing.

It looks to be the flip side of the lefties who excuse people who have physically injured them based on politics. Wasn't there some reporter assaulted by third worlders who wrote an agonizing defense of their actions?

And here the opposite; A man who does a kindness, excoriated for holding the wrong ideas and being the wrong race, sex and of the wrong proclivities.

Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at November 05, 2013 12:40 AM (FtCW+)

617 Night all. Here is "Living After Midnight" by Judas Priest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxsSVNhyiKk

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 05, 2013 12:55 AM (Vk2pI)

618 That female author is one of the most horrible people on earth. Card helped her, coached her, and even said he didn't put his thoughts into his work, and after he helped her, she shits all over him because he dares to hold a traditional viewpoint. The left sucks. They can't get past politics.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 05, 2013 12:57 AM (Qh0T+)

619 Bevel- They can't get past their religion.

Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at November 05, 2013 01:04 AM (FtCW+)

620 The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) has successfully placed the Mars Orbiter Mission spacecraft into the desired Earth orbit. The spacecraft appears to be healthy, and over the next several weeks it will make a series of burns to send it on a trajectory to Mars, where it is expected to arrive next September. This is India's first interplanetary launch. http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/11/india-mars-debut-pslv-mom/

Posted by: rickl at November 05, 2013 01:11 AM (sdi6R)

621 And India will claim Mars so they can send their Muslim problem there.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2013 01:39 AM (uz+9b)

622 cm9000, here's a link showing that the majority of white women voted for Mitt http://tinyurl.com/jvoft68

Maybe they're not so "stupid", eh?

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 05, 2013 01:39 AM (KL49F)

623 619 Bevel- They can't get past their religion. They're despicable. Card can show kindness to a liberal woman; she will not show any for him. Although actually I understand why she did it; she's a shitty author nobody gives a damn about and she wants to cash in on Card's fame.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 05, 2013 01:49 AM (AxE3L)

624 Just bought Ender's Game for the Kindle.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 05, 2013 01:54 AM (AxE3L)

625 Well the Paramus, NJ mall shooter has been found inside the mall dead. Tentative ID is a 20 yr old named Shoop from Teaneck NJ. And he apparently stole his weapon from his brother.

http://tinyurl.com/mgpgxj2

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2013 01:54 AM (uz+9b)

626 Was going to skip Ender's Game, but, now it's a must see. I absolutely have no problem with gays--heck, I am related to a couple of very nice gay people, but:

I AM SO GOSHDARNED SICK OF THE GAY AGENDA THAT I NOW HATE RAINBOWS!

And it's not looking good for the unicorns.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at November 05, 2013 01:55 AM (kXoT0)

627 I would like to read this lesbian's thoughts on the religion of pieces, which would cheerfully mutilate her lady parts and then stone her to death for her homosexuality. Oh, that's right, these LBGTQ people like to tiptoe past that particular graveyard--because Ali/Mo/Mustapha will absolutely cut a bitch.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at November 05, 2013 02:00 AM (kXoT0)

628 NYU student Asher Vongtau got a wedgie, the disappearing act from Nigeria. http://tinyurl.com/k29aym4 Night of heavy partying, fresh air from the roof, fire alarm gag, panic... Students are warned that going on the roof can result in their being kicked out of the dorm. One of the biggest risks in such a rescue was Â“smiling death,Â” when a victim initially seems fine when he is removed but soon dies because of internal wounds. http://tinyurl.com/muqxsxq

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 05, 2013 02:02 AM (MhA4j)

629 621. And India will claim Mars so they can send their Muslim problem there. -- Anna Heh, the opposite of Hussein-O's reason to designate NASA for Muslim outreach.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 05, 2013 02:06 AM (MhA4j)

630 Diebold finally charged in corruption case: Oct. 22 2013, usatoday.com, http://tinyurl.com/nrkx2k8 "I have information on specific instances of similar behavior in their elections business, including party boats, gambling junkets, and also their financial 'shenanigans.' By the way, did you know that bribery, until recently, was not even illegal in foreign countries and in many other countries, was/is even tax deductible? Yes, we in the US have had the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act since 1977, but this applied only to publicly held companies doing business in the US. It was not until 1996 that anti-bribery legislation took hold in Europe; bribes were not only legal, but tax deductible." -- Bev Harris, Black Box Voting http://tinyurl.com/nq4p

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 05, 2013 02:13 AM (MhA4j)

631 You can't keep your plan because I'm really good at killing people.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 05, 2013 02:35 AM (yh72C)

632

Good Morning, Horde. Today is Election Day. Get out there and vote if you haven't already done so.

In other news, I have a cash offer on my little house. It's a low offer and I will have to come up with the difference out of my pocket. This economy is scary, and the roll-out of the ACA is making it worse, so I have about decided it's better to take the offer than to keep the house and hope for improvement in home prices in the next 5 years.

A pox upon all those who kept this Regime in power the last election cycle.

Posted by: ALH at November 05, 2013 02:36 AM (2LTPq)

633 Night owl paranormal radio host Art Bell's new show ended in just six weeks. Since the "Art Bell's Dark Matter" Sept. 16 premiere on SiriusXM Satellite Radio, Bell reported problems streaming his show. The show was being pirated. Bell requested SiriusXM to alter their normal method of doing business and allow free streaming for everybody from artbell.com. "By mutual agreement, Dark Matter will no longer air as of tonight." http://tinyurl.com/lofafd2

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 05, 2013 02:36 AM (MhA4j)

634 Despite Urging 'Redskins' to Change Name, Obama Celebrates 'Blackhawks' too dumb a comparison, the weekly standard, nov.4

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 05, 2013 02:44 AM (MhA4j)

635 The University of Oregon Paid Gay Sex Pundit Dan Savage $24K To Talk Fisting, Gorilla-Suit Fetishes With Students By Jennifer Kabbany - Associate Editor - The College Fix - November 4, 2013 http://tinyurl.com/myk55a5

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 05, 2013 02:50 AM (MhA4j)

636 The War in Heaven, initiated a third of a billion years ago by the rebel administrator Lucifer, is long settled, and the betrayer is incarcerated and new, loyal administrators have replaced him and his rebellious associates. His subordinate administrator in charge of this world was removed from official status two millennia ago, but that did not end the battling. The devilish former prince of this world is not yet rounded up, and though greatly disempowered is not without willing allies still. The final struggle for souls on disrupted planets, the very destiny of the world, continues. Those who seek Truth know the ultimate outcome. Which is why we need the morning thread. Fear not!

Posted by: mindful webworker - got belief? at November 05, 2013 02:57 AM (ztCj0)

637 At least Hollywood isn't doing to OSC what they did to Robert Heinlein. Starship Troopers had some very thought provoking passages on the nature of citizenship and responsibility, and Verhoven turned it into a joke.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at November 05, 2013 04:34 AM (P8oOy)

638 Hmm. Christianity: repay evil with kindness. Turn the other cheek. R/C/G LBGT socialism: repay kindness with hatred and vilification. Very modern. Very 20th century. Right in tune with European, Asian, African, and Latin American socialism.

Posted by: ErisGuy at November 05, 2013 04:42 AM (wqv11)

639 Took the kids to see Ender's Game and thought it was kinda ho-hum. I actually thought there was some lib messaging going on. I was surprised that (slight spoiler alert) the kids in military training are told to stay out of the opposite sex's restroom. Seriously, that's what being conservative looks like these days.

Posted by: Dang at November 05, 2013 04:52 AM (Hx2XA)

640 Longtime fan of the series. I saw Ender's Game with my wife and father, both of whom I introduced the books to in the last couple months and are now fans as well. We all agreed that the movie was better than we expected given the limits a <2 hour movie imposes. We enjoyed it.

Posted by: SamIam at November 05, 2013 05:19 AM (HMI9a)

641

"All of those "wonderfully diverse" parts-Bean, Bonzo, Petra-were written as such by Card. I'm slightly surprised Debruge doesn't know that."

I'm not surprised in the least. I doubt he has read anything outside 50 Shades of Grey and Cosmo at any point in the last 10 years.

Interestingly, Card's prequel has very ethnic belter families as the first heroes and victims in the war to come.

Posted by: GWB at November 05, 2013 05:23 AM (Yv2t4)

642 So what is the actual evidence that Card is a racist and that he advocates violence?

Posted by: pst314 at November 05, 2013 07:00 AM (T4dRn)

643 I guess this bigotry panic is why the TV dramas all have characters who are supposedly tough but who are so, so effeminate. It's glaring.

Posted by: PJ at November 05, 2013 07:20 AM (ZWaLo)

644 In Ender's Game's review, they talked about a Gwen, who has equal to Harrison's character. Was there a female head guy, or was it just the Harrison character? Have they inserted an African American female into this story?!

Posted by: PJ at November 05, 2013 07:28 AM (ZWaLo)

645

646In Ender's Game's review, they talked about a Gwen, who has equal to Harrison's character. Was there a female head guy, or was it just the Harrison character? Have they inserted an African American female into this story?!

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Graff, Harrison Ford's character, has a black female assistant whose role appears to be to act as the person who keeps an eye on the psychological profiles of the kids. I can't remember whether she exists in the original novel.

Graff does talk with assistants in the novel, but my vague recollection (I read it once about 30 years ago) is that he primarily does it via the e-mails that are included at the start of each chapter. I don't remember if we actually see any of his assistants within the primary text of the novel.

Posted by: junior at November 05, 2013 08:34 AM (UWFpX)

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