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December 11, 2013

Overnight Open Thread (12-11-2013)
— Maetenloch

As an adolescent, I loved to read the science fiction magazine Analog. One of my favorite Analog stories was "Hindsight" by Harry Turtledove. (I still have my copy of this "special spoof issue," dated mid-December 1984, in my garage.)
In "Hindsight," a 1950s pulp sci-fi writer is startled to discover that an unknown author has published a story that remarkably resembles one he had in the planning stages. He and his editor investigate, eventually discovering a woman who reveals she's a sci-fi writer from the future who has returned to the 1950s-all the way from 1983!-to try to change the world through science fiction.

...But my favorite thing about the story is a scene in which the writer from the future ushers the two men into her back room, where she keeps her future technology. There's a 1980s-era word processor and a dot-matrix printer, charmingly outmoded from the vantage point of 2013 but stunning to the men in the story. And in the corner, a top-loading VCR attached to a small color TV set. She plays Star Wars for the writer, and he's flabbergasted-not just by the color picture, but by a recognizable-yet-aged Alec Guinness as Obi-Wan Kenobi.

...I can't be the only person who thinks about this stuff. (I mean, Marty McFly's Walkman!) So I mentioned it on Twitter and suddenly found myself in a discussion about what Apple device you'd want to take back in time from today to blow away those sci-fi writers in 1956. (If you're interested, I've saved the whole thing on Storify.)
The iPad is probably the right answer, assuming you had time to prepare. (Be sure to bring a charger!) The tablet would be shockingly small, but it has a nice, big screen-big enough for a bunch of dumbstruck 50s denizens to crowd around. It also has the capacity to hold a staggering amount of content.

One of the mental games I play whenever I'm stuck someplace without anything or anybody to occupy me is to imagine that I was suddenly transported back to say 1959 with only what I'm holding and what's in my pockets. How would I be able to prove that I truly was from the future and how much information could clever investigators glean from the few objects on my person?

Well the dates on any coins or bills would be a big clue - and (assuming they aren't clever Commie fakes) would tell them right off the bat that we were still around 50 years later so probably no nuclear WWIII. The tags on my clothes would also be some evidence although I wonder what they would think of all the 'Made in China' labels - did we defeat and occupy China somewhere along the way?

My Jeep car keys with their radio-based remote control would probably impress them - especially the mysterious ICs used in the circuits. The high tech Swiss Army knife I always carry with a laser, pen, and USB stick would probably both amaze and baffle them. And then you have the unusual alloys in my watch and plastic products in my shoes and clothing. I figure all that plus my dental work would be enough to convince them that whatever my story is I'm definitely 'not from around here'.

And if I happen to have my iPhone with me....well then behold and fear my techo-magic all you puny twentieth century humans!!

The Two Kinds of Libertarianism: Calhounian and Heinleinian

Today in America, we see two kinds of libertarianism, which we might call "Calhounian" and "Heinleinian." Both kinds believe in freedom, but they are very different in their emphasis-and in their politics.
The names behind the adjectives are John C. Calhoun (1782-1850), of South Carolina, and Robert A. Heinlein (1907-1988 ), of California. In other words, two different states, two different centuries-and two very different outlooks.

...Finally, the two groups are wired differently. Calhounians are often rooted in place, and feel both constrained and liberated by tradition and belief.
On the other hand, the Heinleinians, tech-oriented as they are, tend to feel emancipated from the past. We might consider one of the central activities of a modern techster: computer coding.

Well Heinleinian libertarianism may be sexier at the moment but the Calhounian version has a stronger Burkean pedigree of existence and is more likely to survive in adverse conditions. After all who doesn't want the most freedom for their own kith and kin?

Name The Anti-Semite

Never have I seen Israel and America's core Arab allies working more in concert to stymie a major foreign policy initiative of a sitting U.S. president, and never have I seen more lawmakers - Democrats and Republicans - more willing to take Israel's side against their own president's. I'm certain this comes less from any careful consideration of the facts and more from a growing tendency by many American lawmakers to do whatever the Israel lobby asks them to do in order to garner Jewish votes and campaign donations.

Shit Cosmo Says

How to Be a Man

Fairly good advice and even the 'douchey' ones are more right than wrong.

People are tired of you being the funny, drunk guy.

When in doubt, always kiss the girl.

Always carry cash. Keep some in your front pocket.

Never stay out after midnight three nights in a row. Unless something really good comes up on the third night.

It's better if old men cut your hair. Ask for Sammy at the Mandarin Oriental Barbershop in Hong Kong. He can share his experiences of the Japanese occupation, or just give you a copy of Playboy.

There's always another level. Just be content knowing that you are still better off than most who have ever lived.

You can get away with a lot more if you're the one buying the drinks.

How Muggers Size Up Your Walk

Like all predators muggers consistently choose victims who are the most vulnerable even if the muggers can't say exactly why.

A small number of criminals commit most of the crimes, and the crimes they commit are spread unevenly over the population: some unfortunate individuals seem to be picked out repeatedly by those intent on violent assault. Back in the 1980s, two psychologists from New York, Betty Grayson and Morris Stein, set out to find out what criminals look for in potential victims. They filmed short clips of members of the public walking along New York's streets, and then took those clips to a large East Coast prison. They showed the tapes to 53 violent inmates with convictions for crimes on strangers, ranging from assault to murder, and asked them how easy each person would be to attack.

The prisoners made very different judgements about these notional victims. Some were consistently rated as easier to attack, as an "easy rip-off". There were some expected differences, in that women were rated as easier to attack than men, on average, and older people as easier targets than the young. But even among those you'd expect to be least easy to assault, the subgroup of young men, there were some individuals who over half the prisoners rated at the top end of the "ease of assault" scale (a 1, 2 or 3, on the 10 point scale).

5 Reasons the English Language Makes No Freaking Sense

I blame the French and academics with a Latin fetish.

Over the last 500 years, there's been a continuing effort to standardize all spelling -- and a lot of the stuffy academic types making the rules made a real mess of it. In the 16th century, the people putting together dictionaries decided to insert a "b" into "debt" and "doubt" to remind everyone that they had evolved from the Latin word "debitum" -- even though the preferred spellings, "dette" and "doute," made way more sense. But hey, at least the common man would forever be reminded of precious Latin, thus ensuring that it would never become a dead langua- oh wait, no, it died more completely than an engineer on the away team, didn't it? The academics did the exact same thing with "receipt" (then spelled "receit," but drawn from the Latin word "recepta" ) and smugly smirked down at generations of dyslexics accidentally writing "recipe."

Syrian al-Qaeda & FSA Rebels Bicker Over Walkie Talkie

Over who hates infidels more and who is less rapey.

Muslims Attack Protesters Calling For An End To Islamic Violence

The Great Islamophobia Myth

But with the annual release of the FBI's hate crime numbers, statistical proof is once again available for those who are interested in the real answer as to which groups are subjected to the most attacks. This year's numbers, like those of every other previous year since they began compiling such statistics, are clear: Jews remain the No. 1 target of hate crimes in America and no other group comes even close. Incidents involving Muslims, who are, according to the unchallenged meme that is central to every story or broadcast about the subject, the prime targets actually suffer only a fraction as much as Jews. Is it too much to ask reporters who regurgitate the same tired, unproven story lines about Muslims in the coming year to take these facts into account?

The actual number of hate crimes involving a muslim victim per year: 130. Which is miniscule compared to the population of the US and on par with the number of reported anti-Muslim hate crimes pre-9/11.

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1 FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!! yep, numbro uno and cooking some fat old ribeyes...and still first damn i'm good

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 06:48 PM (JFrBt)

2 TGIONT

Posted by: Red Shirt at December 11, 2013 06:48 PM (J3fGN)

3 Yay! ONT!

Posted by: Country Singer at December 11, 2013 06:49 PM (LUkGY)

4 q1str?

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 06:49 PM (RX6BJ)

5 I'm not even going to try to be first.

Posted by: Ostral B Heratic at December 11, 2013 06:49 PM (2vl2+)

6 NINE!

...or thereabouts.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 11, 2013 06:50 PM (lq3Ak)

7 Not only am I 4th, I can't spell worth shit.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 06:50 PM (RX6BJ)

8 NINE!

...just for emphasis.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 11, 2013 06:51 PM (lq3Ak)

9 Most folks around here read and write fluent typonese.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 06:52 PM (nkPV9)

10 I want....no NEED....that clear iphone

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 06:52 PM (JFrBt)

11 I blame genetics for this spying trick *working*: Dozens of G20 diplomats had computers hacked after clicking on an attachment labelled 'To see naked pictures of Carla Bruni click here' http://tinyurl.com/qgkkydk There's an article idea for Cosmo.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 11, 2013 06:53 PM (ZyqBH)

12 damn slap, that's some epic fail going on

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 06:53 PM (JFrBt)

13 Ah. I was about to punch someone. When that feeling occurs I've found it best to go somewhere else for breathing room.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:53 PM (LSDdO)

14 Hey horde

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 11, 2013 06:54 PM (HVff2)

15 One of the mental games I often play is whether I could get away with fapping in the place I'm standing or sitting.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 11, 2013 06:54 PM (oFCZn)

16 I do try to think of what someone from 50 years ahead would bring back. No, not sticks and stones, ninnies.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 11, 2013 06:54 PM (qyfb5)

17 So I mentioned it on Twitter and suddenly found myself in a discussion about what Apple device you'd want to take back in time from today to blow away those sci-fi writers in 1956.

Right. Because Apple is the only tech company.

Hey, Apple-holes. You wanna know why the rest of us find you annoying?

Yeah, right there.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 11, 2013 06:54 PM (B0gqn)

18 Marriage in Washington is Gay It has recently been reported that 17% of the Â“marriagesÂ” in Washington state were same-sex marriages. The high percentage is probably due to many same-sex couples rushing to Â“marryÂ” as soon as it became legal. However, this high number will invariably be touted as validating the insane theories of pervert Alfred Kinsey who declared that only 10% of the population was straight, and further demanding corrective actions by the state until the number of same-sex Â“weddingÂ” meets the purported statistical levels the rabid Left expects. In contrast, Â“[a]ccording to the 2010 Census, there were about 152,335 same-sex married couples and 440,989 same-sex unmarried couples in the United States,Â” which is less than the 10% that pure homosexuals are supposed to comprise of the population. More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=4283

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 11, 2013 06:55 PM (Vk2pI)

19 There was a short story in Analog that described the Kindle perfectly, exactly. It would have been in the late '60's or early '70's. Just about the time I let my long time subscription expire because of all the feminist socialist story lines.

Posted by: Swith Thoms at December 11, 2013 06:55 PM (Uu8ch)

20 Heinleinian. Starship Troopers. I like it...heh

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 11, 2013 06:55 PM (54dkR)

21 "damn slap, that's some epic fail going on"
Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!!

I was a Cleveland Browns fan. I'm used to this sort of commentary.

Your syntax, on the other hand, leaves mush to be desired.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 11, 2013 06:56 PM (lq3Ak)

22 "Charles Bronson" look-alikes are generally a 20 on the "ease-of-assault" scale.

Posted by: Slab Manly, Member, The League of Ugly Shirted Gentlemen at December 11, 2013 06:56 PM (FlRtG)

23 Nice ONT Maet. Thank you.

Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2013 06:57 PM (6bvBO)

24 Oh, and speaking of honey pots: Prosecutors to drop Zimmerman domestic violence charges http://tinyurl.com/o5fjg9s My humble advice to George Zimmerman has only two points. 1st, get the hell out of Florida. He needs to admit that he won't be safe there for quite a long time, if ever. If he has a friend with a cabin away from it all (say in the backwater of Texas), he needs to ask that friend for a little living favor. 2nd, no women. After being screwed over by his wife and now by his supposed girl-friend, nobody would blame him for going chaste for a long-time. He should regard even a friendly "hello" as a potential trap and run the other way.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 11, 2013 06:57 PM (ZyqBH)

25 " Ah. I was about to punch someone. When that feeling occurs I've found it best to go somewhere else for breathing room.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 10:53 PM (LSDdO)"

Completely understandable. I read it all. I may have some "medicinals" out it barn somewhere, if you have the need.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 06:58 PM (nkPV9)

26 Pretty sure that Cosmo bitch ran over my buddies dog. Blanking on her name, though...

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 06:58 PM (u31cY)

27 oh oh nck is sniffing around the kitchen and my ribeyes be a shame if I have to cut her

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 06:59 PM (JFrBt)

28 I've had the same fantasies.. the problem is: I hope you brought your charger!

2nd problem: I hope you don't care about demonstrating GPS, online databases, etc. etc...

The shit built into a mobile device is pretty lame when compared to what it can do when connected. I hope your 1959 folks are impressed by Angry Birds!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 11, 2013 06:59 PM (b/lt+)

29 Good evening, Horde. I wrote a final today, which made my final grade for that class an A. And I've got two other A final grades so far as well. Tomorrow is a psych final, and then piano next week. Little's ick is strep throat. My ick is not. I suspect it's spite oozing out.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 11, 2013 07:00 PM (N/cFh)

30 Andie McDowell. That's her.

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 07:00 PM (u31cY)

31 Andie MacDowell?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 07:00 PM (DmNpO)

I posted this in the last thread as it was about to die. I re-post here because.

407 This is what we've become:

http://tinyurl.com/q63kea5

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 07:01 PM (RX6BJ)

33 BTW, if you were to pick up a Cosmo today, I suspect the only differences in the newer version would be the model and date on the cover.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 07:02 PM (DmNpO)

34 26 its andie mcdowell

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 07:02 PM (JFrBt)

35 The "Assistive Light" widget would kick some serious ass back then. For a few hours.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 11, 2013 07:02 PM (54dkR)

36 Yeah. I'd bring an Apple product back to the past.

And tell them that it took them 30 years to overcome the disadvantage they had forced on themselves by their closed architecture, confiscatory pricing and proprietary software and hardware.

And then they had to do it in a new medium other than the one they first developed. That just happened to be being underused.

I'd take back a Glock 13, 2,000 rounds of ammo and a list of certain people's parents.

And a list of the last year of Powerball winners. As a gift.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 07:03 PM (LSDdO)

37 * AIPAC does seek to influence Congress for (what it claims are) Israeli interests. That's what the "PAC" and the "I" part mean, respectively.

* AIPAC is itself subject to influence. That's why it went all-in for American interference in Syria - because Obama made calls. AIPAC's initial thought was to leave the mess alone.

* AIPAC is not nearly as powerful as people think it is. That's why Congress shot down the call to interfere in Syria.

As for where TEH JOOS!! fit into any of this, I'm not seeing it. I just saw a lobby group in DC stumbling over its own dick (and, incidentally, annoying a lot of everyday Jews in the process).

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 07:03 PM (Nsoq9)

38 Went to doctor with my wife for her ultrasound. When the ob came in he takes l talked to her about all the testing available and what it possible could find in her genetics. She was making noise as if she wanted anything her insurance covers (we have great insurance for the time being), but I was reading between the lines of what he was saying and had to speak up, "the issue with having so much information is that your medical record doesn't belong to you anymore." He said "yes, that." Kind of shocking and chilling. Oh and at the end I tried to engage him in sports talk of his school (big stuff there), he said "sorry I don't keep up." After he left the room the ultrasound tech said "yeah, he doesn't know anything except being a doctor, he lives and breathes being an ob." So it's not like he is a paranoid that lives on aos. (Looks in mirror)

Posted by: traye at December 11, 2013 07:04 PM (sirx+)

39 "One of the mental games I play whenever I'm stuck someplace without anything or anybody to occupy me is to imagine that I suddenly was transported back to say 1959 with only what I'm holding and what's in my pockets." What would the denizens of the past have to say about a DeLorean DMC-12? When that baby hits 88 miles per hour, they're gonna see some serious shit.

Posted by: Emmett Lathrop Brown, Ph.D at December 11, 2013 07:04 PM (ZyqBH)

40 its andie mcdowell *** I thought so. Back in the days when models looked like women and not little boys.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 07:05 PM (DmNpO)

41 Posted by: Thrawn at December 11, 2013 10:57 PM (ZyqBH)

I think he's required to stick around FL for some reason. Pending investigations etc.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 07:05 PM (LSDdO)

42 Walking may get you mugged, so skip instead!

Posted by: NYPD circa 2015 at December 11, 2013 07:06 PM (R6JT1)

43 One of the mental games I play whenever I'm stuck someplace without anything or anybody to occupy me is to look for braless women.

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 07:06 PM (u31cY)

44 Aloha!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 07:07 PM (T1005)

45 40 she was one of the models my wife wanted to emulate

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 07:07 PM (JFrBt)

46 I'd take back a Glock 13, 2,000 rounds of ammo and a list of certain people's parents. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 11:03 PM (LSDdO) What is a Glock 13? I think the numbering starts at 17

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 07:07 PM (g1p4b)

47 she was one of the models my wife wanted to emulate *** I love her drawl.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 07:07 PM (DmNpO)

48 That does it, I'm buying Newsweek for $1 and turning it into an 'Ette magazine. I'm going to need at least two Gun Editors, a Bacon Editor, a Kitteh Editor, and a Stompy Boots Columnist. Any takers?

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 11, 2013 07:08 PM (kMnHs)

49 I think the English language is, at this point, a Norman French dialect. As evidence I offer Google Translate: run a French essay from academia.edu through it, and then run a German essay.

Bet you the French essay will come up as slightly-weird English, and the German essay will come up as gibberish.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 07:08 PM (Nsoq9)

50 she was one of the models my wife wanted to emulate Your wife is cuter.

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 07:09 PM (u31cY)

51 That does it, I'm buying Newsweek for $1 and turning it into an 'Ette magazine. I'm going to need at least two Gun Editors, a Bacon Editor, a Kitteh Editor, and a Stompy Boots Columnist. Any takers?

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 11, 2013 11:08 PM (kMnHs)

And that is a mag I would subscribe to!!!

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 07:09 PM (RX6BJ)

52 47 I know she's a belle but not sure where its heavy so maybe Georgia id ask the wife but she's sniffing around the ribeyes too may have to cut her also

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 07:09 PM (JFrBt)

53 I'm going to do this to you again, because I'm fairly proud of twenty years of advancement and knowledge...

Here are my Christmas lights!:

http://tinyurl.com/peld2er

http://tinyurl.com/ofw2mps

http://tinyurl.com/o8gfvmx

Also... I'm "That Guy" who doesn't check his ten-year-old camera for the "Date-Time" thing.

...These pictures weren't taken in July.

-Merry Christmas!!!

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 11, 2013 07:09 PM (lq3Ak)

54 That does it, I'm buying Newsweek for $1 and turning it into an 'Ette magazine. I'm going to need at least two Gun Editors, a Bacon Editor, a Kitteh Editor, and a Stompy Boots Columnist. Any takers?
Posted by: pookysgirl
..............

Ooooh, Ooooh, Oooh! Can I be the music critic?? No music after 1980 will be considered...

I'll pretend to be gay and all if necessary...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 11, 2013 07:10 PM (b/lt+)

55 picky picky picky. 23 I meant.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 07:11 PM (LSDdO)

56 Computer dating in 1982:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8W7wmA7rnU

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 07:11 PM (Nsoq9)

57 50 it's the Sicilian in her it shows in her more defined face structure and her giant eyes as far as make-up models go, yeah, T had her easily imho

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 07:11 PM (JFrBt)

58 18 Marriage in Washington is Gay It has recently been reported that 17% of the Â“marriagesÂ” in Washington state were same-sex marriages. The high percentage is probably due to many same-sex couples rushing to Â“marryÂ” as soon as it became legal. However, this high number will invariably be touted as validating the insane theories of pervert Alfred Kinsey who declared that only 10% of the population was straight, and further demanding corrective actions by the state until the number of same-sex Â“weddingÂ” meets the purported statistical levels the rabid Left expects. In contrast, Â“[a]ccording to the 2010 Census, there were about 152,335 same-sex married couples and 440,989 same-sex unmarried couples in the United States,Â” which is less than the 10% that pure homosexuals are supposed to comprise of the population. More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=4283 Posted by: The Political Hat at December 11, 2013 10:55 PM (Vk2pI) Kinsey liked to shove the wrong end of a toothbrush up his pee hole for kicks. In fact, I think he died from it. So, what the hell does he know?

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 11, 2013 07:11 PM (h4eud)

59 hmmmm, steaks should be rested I think

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 07:12 PM (JFrBt)

60 I always loved Back to the Future for the Walkman scene. They were so huge when they came out--once I got one I never *not* had one again, all the way to my short lived mini disc (portable CD players always sucked) then succumbing to the iPod mini, sliding down the Apple slippery slope, just a few years ago. I still have a box of 80s cassettes and mix taped in my basement. What freaks me out though is how much of that mediocre future scifi movie "Minority Report" is here, now-those touchscreen displays, constant surveillance and spooky target marketing (directed at you as soon as you walk into a store or are walking by) and of course, pre-crimes/thought crimes directed by some androgynous hysterics. I only saw it once but always remembered that stuff, and...that future, it's here.

Posted by: goldilocks at December 11, 2013 07:12 PM (FIMVX)

61 I think he's required to stick around FL for some reason. Pending investigations etc. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 11:05 PM (LSDdO) He can still follow the "no women" advice. GZ needs to lay low. Dunno if it's even safe with his parents.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 11, 2013 07:12 PM (ZyqBH)

62 John W. Campbell, my kinda guy. (34 years as editor of Analog)

claimed Campbell's Stories and its writers were "wild-eyed paternalists to a man, fierce anti-socialists" with "[stories] full of crew-cut wisecracking, cigar-chewing, competent guys (like Campbell's image of himself)", who had success because their "work reflected the deep-seated conservatism of the majority of their readers, who saw a Bolshevik menace in every union meeting"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Campbell

Posted by: Swith Thoms at December 11, 2013 07:12 PM (Uu8ch)

How to Be a Man

Fairly good advice and even the 'douchey' ones are more right than wrong.
People are tired of you being the funny, drunk guy.

So what am I supposed to do now?

Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 07:12 PM (3qZbZ)

64 10 I want....no NEED....that clear iphone

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 11, 2013 10:52 PM (JFrBt)

I don't think it's actually clear, I suspect that it's just displaying a picture of part of a hand.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 07:13 PM (T1005)

65 Andie Macdowell is hot, and so are her daughters.

Posted by: MTF at December 11, 2013 07:13 PM (qCtp4)

66 The magic hand when I was 15 was a girl with puffy nipples named (exotically) Yvonne. It doesn't get any better in 1963 rural Iowa.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at December 11, 2013 07:13 PM (hpgw1)

67 I only saw it once but always remembered that stuff, and...that future, it's here.

Philip K Dick. The man was probably a paranoid schizophrenic, but he was blessed with a complete lack of optimism.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 07:14 PM (Nsoq9)

68 54
Ooooh, Ooooh, Oooh! Can I be the music critic?? No music after 1980 will be considered...

I'll pretend to be gay and all if necessary...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 11, 2013 11:10 PM (b/lt+)

I am in total agreement with you there. When I'd drive home from my CNA job, I'd turn on the hard rock and sing along with the Eagles.

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 11, 2013 07:16 PM (kMnHs)

69 I thought so. Back in the days when models looked like women and not little boys. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 11:05 PM (DmNpO Ah, the "bad old days"Â…

Posted by: Harry Reid strikes a pose at December 11, 2013 07:16 PM (Vk2pI)

70 I'd turn on the hard rock and sing along with the Eagles. I hate the fucking Eagles.

Posted by: Jeff Lebowski at December 11, 2013 07:17 PM (u31cY)

66 The magic hand when I was 15 was a girl with puffy nipples named (exotically) Yvonne. It doesn't get any better in 1963 rural Iowa

She named her nipples Yvonne?

Posted by: Mobile Homey at December 11, 2013 07:18 PM (Z3Snn)

72 I saw Liam Hemsworth's eyes and kind of spaced out... what was I reading again? Oh, yeah, the ONT.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 11, 2013 07:18 PM (KL49F)

73 Errgh. I miss Robert. He'd have somewhat to post in response to "Eagles" and "hard rock" in the same sentence

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 07:20 PM (Nsoq9)

74 I think the English language is, at this point, a Norman French dialect. As evidence I offer Google Translate: run a French essay from academia.edu through it, and then run a German essay. Bet you the French essay will come up as slightly-weird English, and the German essay will come up as gibberish. Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 11:08 PM (Nsoq9) 48 of the 50 most common English words are from Old English. The other two are from Norse. The language is still at its base a Germanic one, after all "bread, butter and green cheese Is good English and good Friese" If it does vary from the Germanic root, then it does so as a pidgen language. The loss of noun gender is a dead give-a-way to that. Anyway, I say we bring back the dual case in addition to singular and plural. Also, bring back the letter "Ãž"

Posted by: Þe Political Hat at December 11, 2013 07:20 PM (Vk2pI)

75 How muggers size up your walk. _------------- (Singing) walk this waaaaaaay.

Posted by: Aerosmith at December 11, 2013 07:21 PM (Zswg6)

76 Convergence: Philip Dick at one time was sick, out of money and down on his luck. Bob Heinlein heard about it, and sent him some money, and later followed up with a call to see if he was alright, and actually lent him some more money afterwards. Dick, being a Lefty, was surprised. But he said of Heinlein that he was a true gentleman, and a really a genuine prince of a guy. He was forever grateful to the friendship and help that he had given him in hard times. I don't think that Heinlein was that much of a "Libertarian", just from reading "Stranger in a Strange Land", or "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". He was a patriot (former Navy man) and loved the US. But he was far-sighted enough that he saw what was coming, and later in life always pushed for limited government and reasonable laws in his writings (through the voice of his protagonists). I don't know if that makes him a Libertarian. We used to just call those people "Americans".

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 11, 2013 07:21 PM (dCwZe)

77 On hate crimes, the problem for Jews is everybody who goes crazy ends up hating the Jews. Seemingly no matter where they start. White racists, black racists, Chinese racists. Crazy Muslims, crazy Baptists, crazy Catholics. Crazy commies, crazy paleocons, crazy libertarians. Jew-hatred is like the black hole of CrazyTown, once somebody goes crazy and crosses the event horizon, they always end up there regardless of where they started.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 07:25 PM (ZPrif)

78 Where the hell is everybody? Banned? 11:21 at 76?

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 11, 2013 07:25 PM (BXnWz)

79 Computer dating. Safe. Reliable. Just never meet the person in real life and you'll be jus' fine. Hiccup.

Posted by: Healthy Smart Man, the mindful webworker at December 11, 2013 07:26 PM (U13jb)

Over the last 500 years, there's been a continuing effort to standardize all spelling -- and a lot of the stuffy academic types making the rules made a real mess of it. In the 16th century, the people putting together dictionaries decided to insert a "b" into "debt" and "doubt" to remind everyone that they had evolved from the Latin word "debitum" -- even though the preferred spellings, "dette" and "doute," made way more sense.

So, fcuking college professors been fcuking with us for 500 years?

Next thing I know moronette will be spelled "moroneptte".

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 07:26 PM (RX6BJ)

81 (Singing) walk this waaaaaaay.

Posted by: Aerosmith at December 11, 2013 11:21 PM (Zswg6)

Man, that brings back memories!

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 07:27 PM (RX6BJ)

82 Hello horde!

I agree, the ONT is dead tonight. Seemed kinda dead the last couple times I've checked in.

BTW, anyone ever hear from GMB and his "neighbor problem"?

Posted by: WolfinNC at December 11, 2013 07:29 PM (Vvg+J)

83 I am slowly dying of spite and hacking up a lung. Possibly viral.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 11, 2013 07:29 PM (N/cFh)

84 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 11:25 PM (ZPrif) I never understood the Jew hatred. I went to Catholic school in the fifties and never heard anything bad about Jews. Our nuns seemed to be more concerned with making sure we felt guilty for our "impure thoughts".

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 11, 2013 07:29 PM (BXnWz)

85 I like our complicated spelling because it's important to remember the root words and to remember our HISTORY. I love learning origins.

The only thing I don't like is that our Germanic language started to be subjected to Latin grammar rules: since English is NOT Latin, we are allowed to end a sentence with a preposition. Ending sentences with "of, up, off, etc" is legal.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 11, 2013 07:29 PM (KL49F)

86 Kinsey liked to shove the wrong end of a toothbrush up his pee hole for kicks. In fact, I think he died from it. So, what the hell does he know? Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 11, 2013 11:11 PM (h4eud) "wrong end"??? There is NO "right end"!

Posted by: Þe Political Hat at December 11, 2013 07:29 PM (Vk2pI)

Oh..... Antibiotics. Viral or not.

And I hope you get to feeling better soon.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 07:30 PM (RX6BJ)

88 "BTW, anyone ever hear from GMB and his "neighbor problem"?

Not really a problem. No one is very happy but no one is in fear of thier necks right now.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 07:31 PM (nkPV9)

89 Jew-hatred is like the black hole of CrazyTown, once somebody goes crazy and crosses the event horizon, they always end up there regardless of where they started.

Comments like this are why I hope you never get banned off here, Joe.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 07:31 PM (Nsoq9)

90 On hate crimes, the problem for Jews is everybody who goes crazy ends up hating the Jews. Seemingly no matter where they start. White racists, black racists, Chinese racists. Crazy Muslims, crazy Baptists, crazy Catholics. Crazy commies, crazy paleocons, crazy libertarians. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 11:25 PM (ZPrif) Hide posts from (ZPrif) Don't forget North Korea. Saw a special on NK TV (yes it's pure wierd-ass propaganda, and thus kind of amusing in an unnerving way) including anti-semitic propaganda. Seriously, how many people in NK have ever met a Jew? It really is built into the DNA of Crazy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 11, 2013 07:32 PM (qyfb5)

91 88 "BTW, anyone ever hear from GMB and his "neighbor problem"?

Not really a problem. No one is very happy but no one is in fear of thier necks right now.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 11:31 PM (nkPV9)

What approach did you go with?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 07:32 PM (T1005)

92 I live in a Mennonite community which makes sense since I am also a Mennonite. Not a good one mind you, but one none the less.

Both young people are getting their year of decision a bit early. Normally it is between 16-17, however circumstances kind make it needed.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 07:34 PM (nkPV9)

93 "BTW, anyone ever hear from GMB and his "neighbor problem"?

Not really a problem. No one is very happy but no one is in fear of thier necks right now.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 11:31 PM (nkPV9)

"no one is in fear of thier necks right now."

I call that a reasonable outcome at this point in the process. And may I say "Kudos" to you for being there in the time of need for the young'uns.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 07:34 PM (RX6BJ)

94 The thing I'd worry about as far as convincing people of the 50s that I came from the future would be, what if my testimony changed the way our leaders acted, and thus altered the course of the Cold War? "Oh, yeah, we totally win; don't worry about it."

But if they knew that, they wouldn't fight as hard.

Then again, even though we officially won the Cold War, the communists actually seem to be ruling us now.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 07:35 PM (RGQmh)

95 >>>>Kinsey liked to shove the wrong end of a toothbrush up his pee hole for kicks. In fact, I think he died from it. So, what the hell does he know? he see a doctor? you got a tooth in your peepee hole, thats gotta be a problem

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 07:35 PM (g1p4b)

96 What approach.

Walked in the door. Opened the breech, pushed in the shell and powder bag. Closed the breech. Primed and pulled the lanyard before anyone could yell
"check fire"

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 07:35 PM (nkPV9)

97 Andie has two daughters. She passed those genes on, for sure.

Posted by: Kas(ktgreat) at December 11, 2013 07:36 PM (Bl4dy)

98 "On hate crimes, the problem for Jews is everybody who goes crazy ends up hating the Jews. " That's why Andy Levy's Jew pamphlets were so hilarious.

Posted by: Lauren at December 11, 2013 07:36 PM (hFL/3)

99 Reading the Heinlein vs Calhoun thingy was laborious until I reached :

But wait a second: Obama is no libertarian. Except, in a way, he is: The President may be actively tangling up the economy in ruinous red tape, but at the same time, he seems content to let the rich do as they please.

That's when fuses blew on the main buss and I had to reboot systems.

The republicans are old south slave holders, and Heinlein was a progressive.

ya, no don't think so. Rural people and places are not anti tech.
As we have seen, most Calhounians are probably ChristiansÂ—how can they square whatÂ’s happening in Silicon Valley with whatÂ’s written in the Bible?

System error, rebooting.

Fuckit. ain't wasting any more time on this shit.

Posted by: Swith Thoms at December 11, 2013 07:36 PM (Uu8ch)

100 I'm glad to hear how everything went, GMB! I think it's the best result that could've occurred in a difficult situation like that.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 07:37 PM (RGQmh)

101 GMB -

Well, I guess that turned out as well as it possibly could. Good on you for handling the situation so well. Those kids are lucky to have had someone they could trust like you.

Posted by: WolfinNC at December 11, 2013 07:37 PM (Vvg+J)

102 The Libertarian article was painfully stupid to read.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 11, 2013 07:38 PM (lr3d7)

103 92 I live in a Mennonite community which makes sense since I am also a Mennonite. Not a good one mind you, but one none the less.

Both young people are getting their year of decision a bit early. Normally it is between 16-17, however circumstances kind make it needed.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 11:34 PM (nkPV9)

How mature are the kids about things in general? Are they up to making big decisions and living with the consequences?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 07:38 PM (T1005)

104 Evening, Horde. Folks who haven't read much Heinlein may not know that he was a serious student of trends. He foresaw from decades off an approaching period that he called "The Crazy Years," with a renaissance of sorts on the other side. In one of his books he wrote that he placed very few of his "future history" stories during those years because he found them too depressing to write about. Sound familiar?

Posted by: Piercello at December 11, 2013 07:39 PM (P4dpU)

105 In head trauma news, UFC launched a new weight division today. Women's Strawweight. 115 lbs. Some of the chicks are surprisingly hot. Like Felice Herrig: http://media.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/herrig-384/felice-herrig-10.jpg or http://media.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/herrig-384/felice_herrig.jpg or http://media.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/herrig-384/felice-herrig-6.jpg or http://media.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/herrig-384/felice-herrig-pic.jpg

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 07:39 PM (ZPrif)

106 "Those kids are lucky to have had someone they could trust like you.

Thanks all. My household will get a bit bigger in the next week, both kids are coming to live with us. They will join my Wife's home school group.

This doesn't happen very often out here in ludite land but it does.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 07:40 PM (nkPV9)

107 Don't forget North Korea. Saw a special on NK TV (yes it's pure wierd-ass propaganda, and thus kind of amusing in an unnerving way) including anti-semitic propaganda.

Seriously, how many people in NK have ever met a Jew?

It really is built into the DNA of Crazy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 11, 2013 11:32 PM (qyfb5)

And when you realize that American Jews see their most sympathetic allies as their worst enemies, it is a total WTF.

Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 07:40 PM (3qZbZ)

108 96 What approach.

Walked in the door. Opened the breech, pushed in the shell and powder bag. Closed the breech. Primed and pulled the lanyard before anyone could yell
"check fire"

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 11:35 PM (nkPV9)

Ballsy. Seems to have worked.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 07:40 PM (T1005)

109 Wait: If Cosmo published a "Complete Guide to Enjoying Sex", then why did it need more than one issue?

Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 07:40 PM (sdi6R)

110 For some weird reason, just like before 9/11, I was thinking again about a big earthquake. Back then, I thought we should save some money in cse something major happened, and it did.Hope it is just my brain acting up and not some

Posted by: Baldy at December 11, 2013 07:41 PM (2bql3)

111 Arthur C. Clarke in 2001: A Space Odyssey predicted the iPad/Kindle with a reader that handled TV broadcasts and newspapers. It appears in the book and when Bowman and Poole are doing shift change in the movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 07:41 PM (JdUCt)

112 New tech

Posted by: Thunderb at December 11, 2013 07:41 PM (zOTsN)

113 Anyone who sees libertarian philosophy in the acts of the Repubs and Dems... I believe Inago Montoya had a famous line about them...

Posted by: R of 13 at December 11, 2013 07:42 PM (lZBBB)

114 One for the ladies...

Looking for some quality, warm(Flannel?)pjs. Thinking pants, button top and tight long sleeve thermal for boobeh enhancement? Ideas?

Posted by: Red Shirt at December 11, 2013 07:42 PM (FIDMq)

115 "How mature are the kids about things in general? Are they up to making big decisions and living with the consequences?"

They are going to have too, some I guess. If they want to stay in the community. Believe me neither is going to be able to sit around and do nothing.

There are plenty of chores to do around here. Plenty of lessons to be learned.

But if you look to standards of our community, most young people are married by the time they are 18-19 so they are only a bit ahead of themselves.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 07:43 PM (nkPV9)

116 Cute super hero art
http://www.ufunk.net/illustration/little-heroes-alberto-varanda/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 07:44 PM (JdUCt)

117 Met a Chinese chick in college. She had just arrived for grad school. First time in America. Been there 2 weeks. I asked her if she knew any good jokes about America or Americans. I was curious if there standard American jokes you learned growing up in China. She said, Oh I know one -- Why do Jews have such big noses? Because air is free, she said. Oddest thing. There's no way she had met a Jew prior to two weeks before that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 07:45 PM (ZPrif)

118 GMB -

Welcome. I think what you did was pretty darn special. Anyway, what does a year of decision entail? Do they decide to leave the faith?

Posted by: WolfinNC at December 11, 2013 07:45 PM (Vvg+J)

119 #105: Gina Carano is way hotter... http://www.maxim.com/todays-girl/gina-carano

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 07:46 PM (RGQmh)

120 Christian Conservatives are Jews best friends. But try telling that to liberal Jews.

Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 07:46 PM (3qZbZ)

121 106 "Those kids are lucky to have had someone they could trust like you.

Thanks all. My household will get a bit bigger in the next week, both kids are coming to live with us. They will join my Wife's home school group.

This doesn't happen very often out here in ludite land but it does.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 11:40 PM (nkPV9)

Wow. That is amazingly generous. How can you say, "not a good one" @92? The kids trusted you, you did your best to help them, and you're giving them shelter and education going forward. How does this qualify as anything but mitzvahs?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 07:46 PM (T1005)

122 Looking for some quality, warm(Flannel?)pjs. Thinking pants, button top and tight long sleeve thermal for boobeh enhancement? Ideas? Posted by: Red Shirt at December 11, 2013 11:42 PM (FIDMq) this is a gift right? otherwise geck!

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 07:46 PM (g1p4b)

123 I replaced my damaged phone and have reinstalled most of my apps, but isn't there some way to transfer Angry Birds over to the new phone so Idon't have to start over?

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 11, 2013 07:47 PM (DS2P+)

124 But if you look to standards of our community, most young people are married by the time they are 18-19 so they are only a bit ahead of themselves. Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 11:43 PM (nkPV9) Hide posts from (nkPV9) Well I hope they will grow into themselves comfortably and not get wrapped up over anything they missed. They could certainly have a sort of head start on growing up if they look at it that way. Fingers crossed.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 11, 2013 07:49 PM (qyfb5)

125 If I were in charge of casting a DC superhero movie where Wonder Woman appeared, Gina Carano would be my choice for that role. She looks the part, and she can actually fight.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 07:49 PM (RGQmh)

126 115 "How mature are the kids about things in general? Are they up to making big decisions and living with the consequences?"

They are going to have too, some I guess. If they want to stay in the community. Believe me neither is going to be able to sit around and do nothing.

There are plenty of chores to do around here. Plenty of lessons to be learned.

But if you look to standards of our community, most young people are married by the time they are 18-19 so they are only a bit ahead of themselves.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 11:43 PM (nkPV9)

It's not just the community, it's also the standards of history -- protracted infantilism is a very recent innovation.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 07:49 PM (T1005)

127 this is a gift right?

otherwise geck!

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 11:46 PM (g1p4b)

It is a gift

Posted by: Red Shirt at December 11, 2013 07:49 PM (FIDMq)

128
Tom Swift invented all that stuff way before Analog.

Tom Swift and his Wireless Message (1911)

Tom Swift and his Photo Telephone (1914)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2013 07:52 PM (MaP11)

129 How would I be able to prove that I truly was from the future and how much information could clever investigators glean from the few objects on my person?
Holy crap---I do that too!

The first thing I always think about for that (and for any era earlier than the '70s) is my relatively-cheap quartz crystal watch: it'll be thinner than earlier watches and once anyone normal or a genuine watchmaker opens it, they'll see it doesn't have the workings of any watch of the era. The dentistry is a good idea although the state of my gums and teeth will probably match earlier (much earlier) time period's.

However, I've got an Italian surname on my i.d. so I'd have to be careful if it's WW2 era but I can tell them I've got my dad and two uncles serving in the Canadian forces. (As well as the Irish-surnamed ones; and my dad's friends.) So that would help in that case.

And if it really came push to shove, then maybe discussing (but only with literally the highest-level staff and starting out with one-word written statements that would mean nothing to interrogators) the Ultra secret, Los Alamos and D-Day landings in Sicily, Normandy and Anzio with their code-names if time appropriate (say in late '42 or early '43) and using the argument that no Italian/Axis spy used as a field agent would have been told ANY of that information because he'd be too valuable to use as a field agent in case of capture so I must be from the future. "And by the way, guys, you might want to have your families look for a few stocks and gold buying starting at certain dates; nudge, nudge, wink, wink; like I'll be doing with my dad."

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 11, 2013 07:53 PM (vjQ/G)

130 #128: Don't forget the taser. Taser is an acronym that stands for Thomas A. Swift Electric Rifle.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 07:53 PM (RGQmh)

131 Best wishes to you all.

Posted by: The Farmer at December 11, 2013 07:53 PM (eBupg)

132 The lighter weight classes for women tend to produce hotter chicks since the ones who abuse steroids or are just naturally mannish tend to weigh more. MMA chicks tend have awesome asses but be flat-chested, at least when in fighting shape. Which makes sense. The highest weight class for women is 145 and that class is dominated by Cyborg who is basically a dude at this point. The problem is for female fighters the benefit of cheating with steroids or testosterone is even greater than for men. Most of the women can't punch for shit, even the pros, cause of the lack of upper body muscle. So if a chick abuses steroids and gets jacked she can end punching like a dude and have a huge advantage.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 07:53 PM (ZPrif)

133 "Welcome. I think what you did was pretty darn special. Anyway, what does a year of decision entail? Do they decide to leave the faith?"

Pretty much the standards of the community are relaxed and teens get to explore the world around them.

Now standards very from community to community and are not very "standard" at all.

Amish are what you call super conservative on what it means to live "a simple life" Then you have what are Traditional Mennonites, almost as conservative as the Amish. Will dress and will not even admit they speak english.

I come from a Reform Mennonite tradition. The old dress is favored but dressing "western" is not frowned on much"

We also use a lot more modern technology that the others.

In our version of Rumsprina, you pretty much decide if you are going to stay in your community and all that entails.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 07:54 PM (nkPV9)

134 Hello cyber people! Cosmo huh? For some time now hubbymayhem has been getting a copy of that rag in the mail. Seems to have gotten a subscription somehow. No one here at casa mayhem has a clue how this happened. I read a bit of each issue until I get heartily sick of reading about 20-something college girls and their stupid problems. Or the entire issue is about which sexual position is best for your astrological sign. That mag is for written for clueless girls who want to "hook up" and then forget it.

Posted by: madamemayhem at December 11, 2013 07:54 PM (S2RnE)

135 She had just arrived for grad school.
You had me going there for a second.

Posted by: roman polanski at December 11, 2013 07:55 PM (vjQ/G)

136 If I really needed to prove I'd come from the future, I'm pretty sure the Sony PS Vita I carry around everywhere would do the trick.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 07:55 PM (RGQmh)

137 one of the nice things about this time of the year, can make a huge mug of hot chocolate without looking like a fatty

Posted by: The Dude at December 11, 2013 07:55 PM (vJdyz)

138 Carano is hot. Cyborg destroyed her in 2009 and Carano wisely decided to make movies instead of getting punched in the face by chicks on steroids.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 07:56 PM (ZPrif)

139 Over on twitter the Dems started a hashtag #womensucceed to accompany a townhall on womyn's issues. I did my best to troll the fuck out of it and sent along about 20 or so tweets of my own. The absurdity.... the sense of entitlement amongst those folks is simply astounding. The lack of intelligent, critical thought is such that I'm amazed they can find their way out of bed each morning. Here's one such example: https://twitter.com/lilgingbigworld

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 07:57 PM (DmNpO)

140 #138: Yeah, I remember hearing about that. I'm not a big fan of MMA fighting in general, but I am a fan of Carano.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 07:59 PM (RGQmh)

141 Proving you came from the future is more difficult than you might imagine.

Posted by: John Titor at December 11, 2013 07:59 PM (Rw3tW)

142 NDH I love her definition of 'freedom' is not dieing of poverty.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 07:59 PM (JdUCt)

143 Proving you came from the future is more difficult than you might imagine.

Posted by: John Titor at December 11, 2013 11:59 PM (Rw3tW)

but they made an awesome VN that was turned into an anime about your bunk science

Posted by: The Dude at December 11, 2013 08:00 PM (vJdyz)

144 Most of the women can't punch for shit, even the pros, cause of the lack of upper body muscle. So if a chick abuses steroids and gets jacked she can end punching like a dude and have a huge advantage. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 11:53 PM (ZPrif) I go to local MMA fights and the womens title fights are epic, when they're good. They can throw some but the majority are slap fights.

Posted by: RWC at December 11, 2013 08:01 PM (Q6HBD)

145 1st, get the hell out of Florida. He needs to admit that he won't be safe there for quite a long time, if ever. 2nd, no women. After being screwed over by his wife and now by his supposed girl-friend, nobody would blame him for going chaste for a long-time. I've come to the conclusion that dude really isn't that bright. He's gotten into what, 3 scrapes since his acquittal, and he just will not watch what the fuck he's doing, where he is, or who he's with. I guess Zimmerman thinks he's bullet-proof now. It's all going to end badly for him if he doesn't square his shit away and start up with a little more situational awareness.

Posted by: Bill H at December 11, 2013 08:01 PM (3sZO1)

146 Speaking of Washington state and gays, this morning i was driving to work and wound up behind a car covered with rainbow stickers at a traffic light. The dude's license plate frame had another rainbow on it and the words "MMMMMMMM, COCK" dislayed. SMOD, seriously, what's the fucking holdup?

Posted by: Sharkman at December 11, 2013 08:01 PM (s+VJm)

147 142 NDH I love her definition of 'freedom' is not dieing of poverty. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 11:59 PM (JdUCt) Shouldn't you be sleeping :-)

Posted by: RWC at December 11, 2013 08:02 PM (Q6HBD)

148 Gina Carano whoa!

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:02 PM (g1p4b)

149 @146... obviously this person works at KFC.

Posted by: madamemayhem at December 11, 2013 08:03 PM (S2RnE)

150

Thanks all. My household will get a bit bigger in the next week, both kids are coming to live with us. They will join my Wife's home school group.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 11:40 PM (nkPV9)

GMB, I had to step away for a bit but wanted to encourage both you and your wife in stepping up this way. Y'all may not know for years to come how much you have blessed those kids. But rest assured, you both have been a tremendous blessing to them!

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 08:03 PM (RX6BJ)

151 NDH I love her definition of 'freedom' is not dieing of poverty. *** She's just a little slice of entitled heaven, isn't she?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:03 PM (DmNpO)

152 GMB -

Well, good luck to those kids, and good luck to you, since they're bunking with you. I'll keep you all in my prayers.

Posted by: WolfinNC at December 11, 2013 08:03 PM (Vvg+J)

153 And who the fook are you RWC? Some jumped up POM with your knickers all twisted? Bugger off and go polish your knobs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:04 PM (JdUCt)

154 Gina Carano in Fast and Furious 6

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:04 PM (g1p4b)

155
In fact it was Tom Swifts brother Bubba was the first with:

"Don't tase be Bro!" he said electrically.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2013 08:04 PM (MaP11)

156 This the way to do a Christmas card: http://t.co/WyLLtS2vjH

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:04 PM (DmNpO)

157 Gina Carano *** Gia Carangi was hotter.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:05 PM (DmNpO)

158 Gia Carangi was hotter. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 12, 2013 12:05 AM (DmNpO) was=passed away?

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:05 PM (g1p4b)

159 NDH, another child who was always told how special and smart she was. So her self-esteem, ego, has survived intact until she is notionally an adult. But in fact a 13 yr old princess who will make people miserable because they don't measure up to her standards.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:06 PM (JdUCt)

160 Thanks for the encourage everyone. You guys do help a lot.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 08:07 PM (nkPV9)

161 105 In head trauma news, UFC launched a new weight division today. Women's Strawweight. 115 lbs.

Some of the chicks are surprisingly hot.
Like Felice Herrig:
http://media.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/herrig-384/felice-herrig-10.jpg
or
http://media.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/herrig-384/felice_herrig.jpg
or
http://media.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/herrig-384/felice-herrig-6.jpg
or
http://media.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/herrig-384/felice-herrig-pic.jpg

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 11:39 PM (ZPrif)

Damn FJ, made me look 4 times.............. Thanks.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 08:07 PM (RX6BJ)

162 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 12, 2013 12:04 AM (JdUCt) hiding under a blanket Is she gone?????

Posted by: RWC at December 11, 2013 08:08 PM (Q6HBD)

163 Carano only had 8 fights. She only lost once. When she got knocked out by Cyborg. She only fought from 2006-2009. She used the media attention and her looks to transition to a media career. Smart girl. Here's a pic of Cyborg. Current best in the world at 145 lbs. http://whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Cyborg2.jpg As I said, she's basically a dude at this point.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 08:08 PM (ZPrif)

164 GMB, isn't part of the "year of decision" getting out into the world and seeing the depravity and confusion that contrasts with life in your community? I'm thinking that you should maybe start sending 'em to moron meetups.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 08:08 PM (T1005)

165 Gia Carangi wasn't a fighter, NDH. That's what we're discussing right now as far as hotness goes.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 08:09 PM (RGQmh)

166 Gia Carangi was hotter. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 12, 2013 12:05 AM (DmNpO) was=passed away? *** Yep. Perhaps Cosmo's most famous cover ever: http://bit.ly/1drXgkd Her arms were positioned behind her to hide the track marks.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:09 PM (DmNpO)

167 SMOD, seriously, what's the fucking holdup?

Posted by: Sharkman at December 12, 2013 12:01 AM (s+VJm)

Every time I see a car with an Obama sticker I have to resist the urge to flip them off. And to run them off the road and strangle them.

Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 08:10 PM (3qZbZ)

168 I hate Bush. Bush lied to our black president. That is worse than what that Bluto guy did to betray Jesus............

Posted by: Chrissy Liebowitz at December 11, 2013 08:10 PM (iB0Q2)

169 I occasionally wonder if my dad (who died in '66) were suddenly to appear, how I would explain all of the technological gee-gaws. I think that I could. After all, things were totally transistorized by then, and it is just a matter of understanding that they have been made much smaller. All of the techno stuff falls into place after that, however gee-whiz it may be. What I would *not* be able to explain, would be the socio-political changes. He would be completely incredulous, and I do not think that I could explain what has happened.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 11, 2013 08:10 PM (aDwsi)

170 That looks like living tissue over a metal endoskeleton.

Posted by: some Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 at December 11, 2013 08:10 PM (Rw3tW)

171 I believe Inago Montoya had a famous line about them...
"I am here to kill you"???

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 11, 2013 08:11 PM (vjQ/G)

172 Mike Hammer send your dad and cat to haunt the White House.

No you silly English knigget, I am not gone.

I taunt in your general direction!

http://tinyurl.com/lcbeerh

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:12 PM (JdUCt)

173 "GMB, isn't part of the "year of decision" getting out into the world and seeing the depravity and confusion that contrasts with life in your community? I'm thinking that you should maybe start sending 'em to moron meetups."

Hmmm, they are 14 and 15. Do you really want them hanging around the ONT?

Sorry but that just made laugh so much. They got the worst idea two kids could get on their own. I could just imagine what would happen after reading this for a couple of nights.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 08:12 PM (nkPV9)

174 #168: Where is he? That blarsted swab, I'll lay him amongst the swee'peas!

Posted by: Popeye the Sailor at December 11, 2013 08:12 PM (RGQmh)

175 Every time I see a car with an Obama sticker I have to resist the urge to flip them off. And to run them off the road and strangle them. Posted by: cm9000 ----------------- It is hackneyed, but that was the one accomplishment of Cash for Clunkers, it got some Obama stickers off of the road.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 11, 2013 08:13 PM (aDwsi)

176 The Dude and TPH, the trailer for the live action Kiki's Delivery Service film.

http://youtu.be/9CGOdfPuVWo

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:14 PM (JdUCt)

177 Perhaps Cosmo's most famous cover ever: http://bit.ly/1drXgkd Her arms were positioned behind her to hide the track marks. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 12, 2013 12:09 AM (DmNpO) who is that? April 1982?

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:15 PM (g1p4b)

178 who is that? April 1982? *** Gia Carangi. She was a big time supermodel with numerous Cosmo covers. She was also a heroine addict who died of AIDS in the 80s. Angelina Jolie portrayed her in a movie.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:16 PM (DmNpO)

179 HEY Bitches... anyone else follow the link to the "how you walk gets you muged? Link?

Posted by: JoeinTx at December 11, 2013 08:16 PM (3FIgp)

180 Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 12, 2013 12:10 AM (aDwsi) I was born in about 1966 and I don't know WTF is going on most of the time either today

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:18 PM (g1p4b)

181 #178: For those who are interested, it's also worth noting that Jolie got all sorts of nekkid in that movie.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 08:18 PM (RGQmh)

182 anyone else follow the link to the "how you walk gets you muged? Yes.

Posted by: Charles Bronson, Advisor to The League of Ugly Shirted Gentlemen at December 11, 2013 08:19 PM (FlRtG)

183 If you do not believe that drugs affected an entire generation, here is a supermodel of 1965: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Twiggy_promo.jpg

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 11, 2013 08:19 PM (aDwsi)

184 there's a right end of a toothbrush to shove up your pee hole? I just can't decide which end that would be. Neither one sounds pleasant in the least. Now I will have toothbrush nightmares.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 11, 2013 08:19 PM (RZ8pf)

185 >>>>Every time I see a car with an Obama sticker I have to resist the urge to flip them off. And to run them off the road and strangle them. I always look at the driver and do a drive by pshc-analysis. Every single one is ugly and a pantywaist mudda fukka. I've seen about 2 hotties total

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:20 PM (g1p4b)

186 For those who are interested, it's also worth noting that Jolie got all sorts of nekkid in that movie. *** And kissed a girl.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:21 PM (DmNpO)

187 So I will repeat my self ... move with a purpose and look past threats...

Posted by: JoeinTx at December 11, 2013 08:21 PM (3FIgp)

188 In answer to that total waste of space named Friedman. Here is what fellow believers caused and much worse was happening.

A picture from German occupied Paris.
http://tinyurl.com/jvqdbks

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:21 PM (JdUCt)

189 I remember reading a few years ago about an eleven-year-old girl whose uncle was participating in Kinsey's "studies", and frequently raped her in the name of science. He always checked a stopwatch when he was done with her, and wrote the results in a notebook.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 08:22 PM (RGQmh)

190 173 "GMB, isn't part of the "year of decision" getting out into the world and
seeing the depravity and confusion that contrasts with life in your
community? I'm thinking that you should maybe start sending 'em to moron
meetups."

Hmmm, they are 14 and 15. Do you really want them hanging around the ONT?

Sorry but that just made laugh so much. They got the worst idea two kids could get on their own. I could just imagine what would happen after reading this for a couple of nights.

Posted by: GMB at December 12, 2013 12:12 AM (nkPV9)

*curtsies* I had hoped for, at most, a chuckle. That's a well-deserved laugh.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 08:22 PM (T1005)

191 Bumper stickers, We also seem to have "Blue girl, Red State" which I don't necessarily understand. yup about 90% fuggo's there also

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:22 PM (g1p4b)

192 I had a weird earthquake flashback moment today. The radio station I was listening to while I was driving suddenly cut out. Same thing happened in the last big quake here in 2001. But I switched stations and the others were on the air so I guess someone just tripped over a cable or something. The atmosphere of this December is somewhat oppressive. Like the world is holding its breath for what is coming. And I am not getting the warm "Hooray Jesus is born" vibe from the anticipation.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 11, 2013 08:23 PM (RZ8pf)

193 There's a right end of a toothbrush to shove up your pee hole? I just can't decide which end that would be. Neither one sounds pleasant in the least.
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4 out of 5 Dentists prefer soft bristles.

Posted by: It's Science! at December 11, 2013 08:23 PM (28/sA)

194 If you do not believe that drugs affected an entire generation, here is a supermodel of 1965: *** Nah. Twiggy is about as all-American as a British girl can get. Very clean. She was just really tiny and started the waif movement in modeling.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:23 PM (DmNpO)

195 120 Christian Conservatives are Jews best friends. But try telling that to liberal Jews. Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 11:46 PM (3qZbZ) The liberal Jews will say it is because Christian Conservatives want Israel to be around to make sure that Armageddon happens. I actually have heard lefties say this.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 11, 2013 08:23 PM (BXLPR)

196 The smallest weight class for women is atomweight - 105 lbs. Here's the #1 ranked atomweight chick - Michelle Waterson, the Karate Hottie. http://tinyurl.com/n8dtlvn UFC will probably add women's 105 lbs in a year or two if 115 is a success. UFC is flooding the market with fights in their quest for complete global domination. Plus the small chicks tend to look prettier since it's hard to abuse steroids or HGH and stay 105 lbs.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 08:23 PM (ZPrif)

197 Is Cosmo trying to convince women to put donuts on dicks, yes yes they are.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 11, 2013 08:24 PM (WdbF7)

198 The Dude and TPH, the trailer for the live action Kiki's Delivery Service film. http://youtu.be/9CGOdfPuVWo Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 12, 2013 12:14 AM (JdUCt) Not bad. Haven't read the original novel, though.

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at December 11, 2013 08:24 PM (Vk2pI)

199 184 there's a right end of a toothbrush to shove up your pee hole? I just can't decide which end that would be. Neither one sounds pleasant in the least.

Now I will have toothbrush nightmares.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 12, 2013 12:19 AM (RZ8pf)

With clean insides.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 08:24 PM (T1005)

200 Karate Hottie is half-Thai American chick.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 08:24 PM (ZPrif)

201 NDH, I went to that Twitter link for that lib woman. A large percentage of womyn have gone completely off the rails as far as what they think they are entitled to. So I guess if I am a lazy bum and do absolutely nothing with my life, then I am entitled to demand that the rest of you pay for all my basic needs. Oh, and also free abortions. Cripes, we're screwed.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 11, 2013 08:24 PM (BXnWz)

202 The only Analog story I recall from the two issues an older brother owned was how in the future there would be abortion parties where the idea was to have the abortion as late as possible/as near to birth as possible and the dead "fetuses" (to use the pro-abortion lie) would be displayed in jars (Ã la Kermit Gosnell) around the house. The closer to birth/larger/more developed they were, the more class/social privilege it brought.

There's one woman who's not comfortable with this in the first place and when she has her "abortion" too late and instead ends up with a live birth, the witnesses are so amazed that it starts a trend to having live births instead of abortions. I can't recall exactly but I think the population used test-tube-style baby farming for population replacement so there were no longer any live births.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 11, 2013 08:24 PM (vjQ/G)

203 Twiggy was not Ms Anorexia. The era started when all the 'fabulous' and gay designers decided to want girls who looked like 12 yr old boys on the runway...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:25 PM (JdUCt)

204 Speaking of Kinsey in as much as he was a sex researcher, I am really enjoying Masters of Sex about Masters and Johnson on Showtime. Am sad Sunday is already the season finale.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 11, 2013 08:25 PM (RZ8pf)

205 NDH, I went to that Twitter link for that lib woman. A large percentage of womyn have gone completely off the rails as far as what they think they are entitled to. So I guess if I am a lazy bum and do absolutely nothing with my life, then I am entitled to demand that the rest of you pay for all my basic needs. Oh, and also free abortions. Cripes, we're screwed. *** And there is NO reasoning with them.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:25 PM (DmNpO)

206 Nah. Twiggy is about as all-American as a British girl can get. Very clean. She was just really tiny and started the waif movement in modeling. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 12, 2013 12:23 AM (DmNpO) Huzzah to that!

Posted by: Dealer of Heroin and Heroin Chic at December 11, 2013 08:25 PM (Vk2pI)

207 He always checked a stopwatch when he was done with her, and wrote the results in a notebook.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 12, 2013 12:22 AM
----------------------------

That's odd. My girlfriend's started doing that with me lately.

Huh.

Go figure

Posted by: Works for me... at December 11, 2013 08:26 PM (28/sA)

208 Ucch, I just noticed Medved's on. Time to turn off the radio!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 08:26 PM (RGQmh)

209 The liberal Jews will say it is because Christian Conservatives want Israel to be around to make sure that Armageddon happens. I actually have heard lefties say this. Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 12, 2013 12:23 AM (BXLPR) no shit? that is crazy I think Arma.... is a New Testament thing only

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:27 PM (g1p4b)

210 183 If you do not believe that drugs affected an entire generation, here is a supermodel of 1965:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Twiggy_promo.jpg

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 12, 2013 12:19 AM (aDwsi)

Worst part, "drugs" did not really get popular until the 70's. And I know this cause I was there, then.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 08:28 PM (RX6BJ)

211 If you do not believe that drugs affected an entire generation, here is a supermodel of 1965: OTOH, Ursula Andress was nekkid in Playboy in '65. And no, I don't know why I know this, but I do.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2013 08:28 PM (Rw3tW)

212 Well, my 202 comment was very apt coming after nerdygirl's 201 comment.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 11, 2013 08:28 PM (vjQ/G)

213 Twiggy was not Ms Anorexia. The era started when all the 'fabulous' and gay designers decided to want girls who looked like 12 yr old boys on the runway... *** Example 1: http://binged.it/1f8S9GF She was once a 5'7" model making it in a world where all the others stand 5'10" but her drug use and her wasting away made her skeletal figure desirable because... well... because SHE was sporting it. Then, suddenly, everyone had to look like a drug addict. Heroin chic.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:29 PM (DmNpO)

214 Speaking of twitter hashtags, #ThanksToTheAffordableCareAct has some zingers

Posted by: The Political Hat (@ThePoliticalHat) at December 11, 2013 08:30 PM (Vk2pI)

215 And, for no apparent reason -- http://tinyurl.com/nuj9lnr !

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 08:30 PM (T1005)

216 Tanith Lee did two books about a society locked in domes living perfectly free but controlled lives. Adolescence lasted a long time and you could even try to kill yourself but the minders would prevent that. Change your face or change your gender are allowed.

There are even words from what is called Jang Slang scattered throughout.
For example a floop or a thalldrap means c*nt.

The two books were Don't Bite The Sun and Drinking Sapphire Wine.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:31 PM (JdUCt)

217 "The liberal Jews will say it is because Christian Conservatives want Israel to be around to make sure that Armageddon happens.

I actually have heard lefties say this.

There is also a well known"republican" that used to haunt this place that likes to use that line.

Miss him?

Not so much

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 08:31 PM (nkPV9)

218 The liberal Jews will say it is because Christian Conservatives want Israel to be around to make sure that Armageddon happens.

I actually have heard lefties say this.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 12, 2013 12:23 AM (BXLPR)

Yep, this is CW with Liberal Jews.

Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 08:32 PM (3qZbZ)

219 There is also a well known"republican" that used to haunt this place that likes to use that line. Miss him? Not so much Posted by: GMB at December 12, 2013 12:31 AM (nkPV9) who was that?

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:32 PM (g1p4b)

220 #204: I can understand enjoying that show. I've always liked Lizzie Caplan in her short-term appearances on various sitcoms, and so, umm, yeah. I plan on buying that show when it comes out on DVD.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 08:32 PM (RGQmh)

221 And, for no apparent reason -- http://tinyurl.com/nuj9lnr ! *** WOW! And if you stare at it you eventually see that it's true.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:33 PM (DmNpO)

222 "19 There was a short story in Analog that described the Kindle perfectly, exactly. It would have been in the late '60's or early '70's. Just about the time I let my long time subscription expire because of all the feminist socialist story lines.:"

I had the exact same take on the genre left-turn around that time, and the same response.

And Akula51, More Moon Is A Harsh Mistress Heinleinian, less Starship Troopers,I think.

Posted by: West at December 11, 2013 08:33 PM (aDICA)

223 And, for no apparent reason -- http://tinyurl.com/nuj9lnr ! Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 12:30 AM (T1005) P.S. A Kelin bottle is actually a 4-D torus.

Posted by: The Political Hat (@ThePoliticalHat) at December 11, 2013 08:34 PM (Vk2pI)

224 the 2 stories that I clearly remember is when my 5th grade teacher read "Animal Farm" and "Harrison Burgeson" in the 8th grade but I guess that explains alot about how I see things today

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:34 PM (g1p4b)

225 My comment re Twiggy had nothing to do with *her*, but rather the fact that such appearance would be found appealing. How many magazine covers did she make? Lots..., including, of course, Time.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 11, 2013 08:35 PM (aDwsi)

226 And, for no apparent reason -- http://tinyurl.com nuj9lnr ! What you need is *deep* focus ...

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2013 08:35 PM (Rw3tW)

227 So here is the the thing ... for the Horde, Project STRENGTH

Posted by: JoeinTx at December 11, 2013 08:35 PM (3FIgp)

228 And there is NO reasoning with them. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 12, 2013 12:25 AM (DmNpO) True, and I do tend to avoid getting into discussions about abortion because it is a hot button issue for me and I tend to get angry. I lately, when I do talk about abortion I don't refer to it as "abortion", I refer to it as killing the fetus, because that's what it is. If you are in favor of killing the fetus, then you shouldn't mind calling it "killing the fetus".

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 11, 2013 08:36 PM (BXnWz)

229 Fashion industry has destroyed more women, their health, and lives than any dreaded back alley boogeyman that DWS and her ilk can conjure up from the center or right.

Or am I overstating things?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:37 PM (JdUCt)

230 the 2 stories that I clearly remember is when my 5th grade teacher read "Animal Farm" and "Harrison Burgeson" in the 8th grade --------------------------- The Little Red Hen. That is all.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 11, 2013 08:37 PM (aDwsi)

231 #225: Different strokes for different folks. I never found Pamela Anderson attractive (not after all the plastic surgery, in any event), but I never thought less of people who did like her.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 08:37 PM (RGQmh)

232 who was that?

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 12, 2013 12:32 AM (g1p4b)

I'll pass on that question. The archives are available though.

Seriously. A couple years ago I got involved in a discussion about former ONT posters. Which ones do you miss and which ones are you glad are gone?

I will never let that happen again.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 08:37 PM (nkPV9)

233 So here is the the thing ... for the Horde, Project STRENGTH Posted by: JoeinTx at December 12, 2013 12:35 AM (3FIgp) having a Glock won't hurt either

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:37 PM (g1p4b)

234 Kathy from Kansas hit the nail on the head at #326 in the last thread.

Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 08:39 PM (sdi6R)

235 Fashion industry has destroyed more women, their health, and lives than any dreaded back alley boogeyman that DWS and her ilk can conjure up from the center or right. Or am I overstating things? *** I would argue that feminism has given them a run for the money.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:39 PM (DmNpO)

236 Night all. Here is "D Rock City (AKA "Anarchy") from Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqkzDKESsY

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 11, 2013 08:39 PM (Vk2pI)

237 Mr 9mm, or Mr. 40cal, or Mr 45cal are your friends. Keep firing until magazine is empty. You were in fear for your life and did not realize you had filled him with multiple holes until your handgun locked back in the open position. And then you ran to call 911.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:39 PM (JdUCt)

238 Which republican used to come here? Was it someone elected?

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 08:40 PM (z4WKX)

239 I've figured out the perfect targeted computer virus -- an email with an embedded hyperlink saying Click here to hear Obama lay out the unvarnished truth.

No one but an idiot lib would click on that; I'd have the world's first lib botnet.

First move -- a Ddos attack on Starbucks. Just because.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 08:40 PM (wNF3N)

240 Kathy from Kansas hit the nail on the head at #326 in the last thread. Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2013 12:39 AM (sdi6R) you going to make us go look?

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:40 PM (g1p4b)

241 Different strokes for different folks. I never found Pamela Anderson attractive (not after all the plastic surgery, in any event), but I never thought less of people who did like her *** Remember her as the picture of health as the Tool Time girl? http://bit.ly/1h1OjQO

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:41 PM (DmNpO)

242 Cosmo reminds me of the time the wifes sister came to visit. Suddenly a Cosmo showed up, with a quiz filled out by her. Yeah, she wasn't that bright. I'd tell the rest of the story but better not. I'm now divorced.

Posted by: UWP at December 11, 2013 08:42 PM (2hQRj)

243 Remember her as the picture of health as the Tool Time girl? http://bit.ly/1h1OjQO Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 12, 2013 12:41 AM (DmNpO) After that I always thought she looked like VD walking

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:42 PM (g1p4b)

244 ? STD walking?

Posted by: Barney Fike at December 11, 2013 08:43 PM (g1p4b)

245 239 I've figured out the perfect targeted computer virus -- an email with an embedded hyperlink saying Click here to hear Obama lay out the unvarnished truth.

No one but an idiot lib would click on that; I'd have the world's first lib botnet.

First move -- a Ddos attack on Starbucks. Just because.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 12, 2013 12:40 AM (wNF3N)

Hah!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 08:43 PM (T1005)

246 #241: I did like her as the Tool Time girl, yes. She was so healthy and natural.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 08:43 PM (RGQmh)

247 238 Which republican used to come here?

Was it someone elected?

I guess it is a translation problem here. It was a poster who defended everything the repubs did no matter what. Kind of like the poster BitterClinger was talking about.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 08:44 PM (nkPV9)

248 She was once a 5'7" model making it in a world where all the others stand 5'10" but her drug use and her wasting away made her skeletal figure desirable because... well... because SHE was sporting it. Then, suddenly, everyone had to look like a drug addict. Heroin chic. Posted by: NiedermeyerÂ’s Dead Horse at December 12, 2013 12:29 AM (DmNpO) I thought you meant Kate Moss, NDH and I did not think Twiggy was into drugs. Some people, I am one, are tiny. IÂ’m not short but IÂ’m small in general. My measurements are 36-24-33. I have small hips and you canÂ’t make bones grow. IÂ’m 5 ft 3 or something now because I had two neck surgeries and they made me shrink.

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 08:44 PM (z4WKX)

249 Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!!

More like ALLEZ LES BLEUS!

Posted by: bill-o at December 11, 2013 08:45 PM (AWwDY)

250 GnuBreed encrypt their storage devices. For a nominal fee sent to Odingo in Kenya, the President will get the NSA to unencrypt their storage devices.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:45 PM (JdUCt)

251 #239: I'd say the first move would be to have the virus tell you all the child porn sites the afflicted visit.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 08:46 PM (RGQmh)

252 And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,

Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 08:46 PM (LSDdO)

253 I thought you meant Kate Moss, NDH and I did not think Twiggy was into drugs. Some people, I am one, are tiny. IÂ’m not short but IÂ’m small in general. My measurements are 36-24-33. I have small hips and you canÂ’t make bones grow. IÂ’m 5 ft 3 or something now because I had two neck surgeries and they made me shrink. *** I did mean Kate, and thought I had typed her name prior to her photos. Twiggy was squeaky clean.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:48 PM (DmNpO)

254
Is it weird fapping to Betty White's picture?

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at December 11, 2013 08:48 PM (pJF+c)

255 By 'modern' standards these women are fat. Again a picture from occupied Paris.

http://tinyurl.com/lkfot7x

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 08:49 PM (JdUCt)

256 Oh, and for an update on the continuing saga of replacing the garage door opener -- it's in and everything works....and now I've got to retrieve the tools I left everywhere, close all the covers, vacuum up all the metal shavings, build more permanent optical sensor mounts (mounting to the track interfered with the door, so I bolted 'em to chunks of 2x4 for the moment), and clear up the area where I was working.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 08:50 PM (T1005)

257 And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,

You know, it's amazing how many book titles came from that poem

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 08:50 PM (nkPV9)

258 There's a number of commenters who pose as reasonable and concerned whenever the pitchforks and tar barrels are rolled out after the latest sellout/misstep or outright dumbfuckedness of the GOP occurs.

They're smarmy and unmovable. It's like fighting with heavy grease.

All you get is tired and slippery.

I try to ignore them but they're like a chigger in your sock. They'll keep biting and biting until finally you have to take your sock off and go after them.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 08:51 PM (LSDdO)

259 By 'modern' standards these women are fat. Again a picture from occupied Paris. http://tinyurl.com/lkfot7x *** One thing that Victoria's Secret has accomplished by bringing back the Brazilian bombshell is to show that women who aren't stick-figures can still model. Many of their gals work the runways.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 08:51 PM (DmNpO)

260 I didnÂ’t get home until almost midnight and I avoided reading my iPhone at work. Boehner is a SOB that has to go! I like the emails I get weekly or every other week from the Republican Study Committee. A Boehner flunky made the executive director resign! I briefly looked at AceÂ’s post about RyanÂ’s agreement & now IÂ”m going to have to go read it and get pissed off!

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 08:51 PM (z4WKX)

261 #255: Ucch, disgusting. Look at those elbows; they'll put your eye out with those things!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 08:51 PM (RGQmh)

262 248 She was once a 5'7" model making it in a world where all the others stand 5'10" but her drug use and her wasting away made her skeletal figure desirable because... well... because SHE was sporting it. Then, suddenly, everyone had to look like a drug addict. Heroin chic.
Posted by: NiedermeyerÂ’s Dead Horse at December 12, 2013 12:29 AM (DmNpO)

I thought you meant Kate Moss, NDH and I did not think Twiggy was into drugs. Some people, I am one, are tiny. IÂ’m not short but IÂ’m small in general.
My measurements are 36-24-33. I have small hips and you canÂ’t make bones grow. IÂ’m 5 ft 3 or something now because I had two neck surgeries and they made me shrink.

Posted by: Carol at December 12, 2013 12:44 AM (z4WKX)

Carol, Carol, Carol -- you can't pretend you don't know the rulez just because you changed your nic.....pics!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 08:52 PM (T1005)

263 From Facebook: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/12/11/ colleges-cant-ban-guns-rules-florida-court- in-major-2nd-amendment-victory-88805 [TinyURL is not up, so edit to make 1 URL] Lead paragraph: "The Florida appeals court ruling that the University of North Florida was violating state law when it prohibited a woman from storing a gun in her vehicle while she attended class will spill over to cities and counties statewide, an attorney said Wednesday." ... slight grin ...

Posted by: Charles Bronson, Advisor to The League of Ugly Shirted Gentlemen at December 11, 2013 08:52 PM (FlRtG)

264

My measurements are 36-24-33.

Posted by: Carol at December 12, 2013 12:44 AM (z4WKX)

Ok Carol, all of the horde requests PICS! Because.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 08:53 PM (RX6BJ)

265 Great content tonight, Maet - enjoyed it ... I think its quiet here because of the massive bloodletting in the earlier threads - it was hard to keep up and there was much stomping in exasperation. The Eagles and Hard Rock does not compute.

Posted by: Joe at December 11, 2013 08:54 PM (B+xcR)

266 Mr Y-not has boxes of old Analogs. Evening folks. Slow ONT tonight, huh?

Posted by: Y-not at December 11, 2013 08:55 PM (zDsvJ)

267 254
Is it weird fapping to Betty White's picture?

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at December 12, 2013 12:48 AM (pJF+c)

Depends on whether it's this one -- http://tinyurl.com/mqyrthq ... or this one -- http://tinyurl.com/lpbhosm .

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 08:56 PM (T1005)

268 Again a picture from occupied Paris. http://tinyurl.com/lkfot7x Colorful. So are those ordinary citizens or "femmes de la nuit"?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2013 08:56 PM (V0Q7U)

269 Mr Y-not has boxes of old Analogs. Records? Tapes? Reels?

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 08:57 PM (ldHut)

270 Records? Tapes? Reels? Posted by: garrett -------------- Magazines.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 11, 2013 08:57 PM (aDwsi)

271 Magazines. Those sound like crap.

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 08:58 PM (ldHut)

272 Har har har, garrett. So blood-letting over the Ryan deal threads? I'm glad I was offline most of the day.

Posted by: Y-not at December 11, 2013 08:59 PM (zDsvJ)

273 266 Mr Y-not has boxes of old Analogs.

Evening folks. Slow ONT tonight, huh?

Posted by: Y-not at December 12, 2013 12:55 AM (zDsvJ)

Started late, amongst other things.....howdy, howdy -- pull up a chair.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 08:59 PM (T1005)

274 Those sound like crap. Posted by: garrett --------------------- I seem to recall some magazine(s) including flexible records.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 11, 2013 08:59 PM (aDwsi)

275 Magazines. Briefly, I feared that they were punch cards.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 11, 2013 08:59 PM (FlRtG)

276 I perceive the coming elections as one does a hard and nasty chore that must be done.

Like changing a toilet or digging up a clogged septic tank.

You know it's going to be dirty and smelly. You know it's going to be painful and difficult to persevere.

You also know that there won't be any fun or prizes after the jobs done just that things won't smell as bad anymore.

But you know it has to be done and it needs doing NOW and not later.

Vote for anyone other than an incumbent unless you are SURE they are an actual conservative that represents there constituents.

Vote for those who are known to have integrity and fewer "connections" than their opponent.

And if all else fails, write yourself in so that at least you are voting and not surrendering.

We might be surprised at the results. (but probably not.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:00 PM (LSDdO)

277 I seem to recall some magazine(s) including flexible records. Posted by: Mike Hammer -------------- Ah. Here's a pic : http://www.pinterest.com/pin/187180928235199377/

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 11, 2013 09:01 PM (aDwsi)

278 Is it weird fapping to Betty White's picture?

Depends

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:01 PM (LSDdO)

279 flexible records. Yeah, I remember those and still have a few laying around... You want to swap out to your crappy stylus to play those flexi discs, though. Tough on your needle.

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 09:02 PM (ldHut)

280 Briefly, I feared that they were punch cards.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 12, 2013 12:59 AM (FlRtG)

FORTRAN IV RULES!

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 09:02 PM (RX6BJ)

281 I saw the Flexible Records open for Twisted Sister in ... meh

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2013 09:02 PM (V0Q7U)

282 We are boned. The fix is in and people like us are going to lose out.

Posted by: Y-not at December 11, 2013 09:02 PM (zDsvJ)

283 no shit? that is crazy I think Arma.... is a New Testament thing only Posted by: Barney Fike at December 12, 2013 12:27 AM (g1p4b) It is New Testament, but the left doesn't care. They have to have their spiracy theories.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 11, 2013 09:03 PM (BXLPR)

284
Depends on whether it's this on...

Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 12:56 AM (T1005)

Yeah, that's the one. Me and Little Abe are very pleased to know we're not weirdos or tweeds. Thanks.

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at December 11, 2013 09:03 PM (pJF+c)

285 tweeds?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:03 PM (LSDdO)

286 Bloom County flexible record: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxHAElC2FBw

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2013 09:04 PM (V0Q7U)

287 I think everyone got drunk early to numb the pain.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:04 PM (LSDdO)

288 I remember cutting out Archies records on the back of cereal boxes. I don't remember the brand, though.

Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 09:04 PM (sdi6R)

289 meh, I've jerked it to Helen Thomas out of curiosity's sake one time

Posted by: The Dude at December 11, 2013 09:05 PM (vJdyz)

290 GMB, you're a good person. So is your spouse.

cthulhu, congrats on the opener. Hopefully, you learned at least one new and novel combination of cursewords from the ordeal.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 09:05 PM (wNF3N)

291 I remember getting that as a Christmas present in whatever Bloom County book it came with. Wonder what happened to it.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2013 09:05 PM (V0Q7U)

292 Me. I like to embrace the suck. Makes me feel good to know that life is useless and unrewarding and that there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:05 PM (LSDdO)

293 Here are all the photos from occupied Paris. Judging how some where snap, he was being covert.
http://www.ufunk.net/photos/paris-sous-occupation-1940-1944/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 09:06 PM (JdUCt)

294 meh, I've jerked it to Helen Thomas out of curiosity's sake one time

Posted by: The Dude at December 12, 2013 01:05 AM (vJdyz)

just to see if you could or couldn't?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:06 PM (LSDdO)

295 ": GMB, you're a good person. So is your spouse."

We try.

Wheres my Nobel Prize?

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 09:07 PM (nkPV9)

296 just to see if you could or couldn't?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:06 AM (LSDdO)

yes and disappointingly, I could

Posted by: The Dude at December 11, 2013 09:07 PM (vJdyz)

297

267 254

Is it weird fapping to Betty White's picture?

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at December 12, 2013 12:48 AM (pJF+c)

Depends on whether it's this one ................ or this one ............

yep.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 09:08 PM (RX6BJ)

298 >> meh, I've jerked it to Helen Thomas out of curiosity's sake one time

While standing in front of her grave?

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 09:08 PM (wNF3N)

299 the continuing saga of replacing the garage door opener
Mine's named Manuel. We don't need to replace him... yet.

Posted by: joey biden at December 11, 2013 09:09 PM (vjQ/G)

300
I've stroked it to Joe Biden's pic, and it was great.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at December 11, 2013 09:09 PM (pJF+c)

301 Posted by: GMB at December 12, 2013 01:07 AM (nkPV9)

It's in the next box of cereal you buy.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:09 PM (LSDdO)

302 299 the continuing saga of replacing the garage door opener
Mine's named Manuel. We don't need to replace him... yet.

Posted by: joey biden at December 12, 2013 01:09 AM (vjQ/G)

Thats almost as bad as my dishwasher joke

LOL

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 09:09 PM (nkPV9)

303 Then there is Alan More and the Sinister Ducks. IIRC there was an issue of Critters that had this as a flexi.

http://www.needcoffee.com/2007/01/19/sinister-ducks-alan-moore/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 09:10 PM (JdUCt)

304 296 The Dude I am at once impressed and disappointed, and amused.

Posted by: Slab Manly, Member, The League of Ugly Shirted Gentlemen at December 11, 2013 09:10 PM (FlRtG)

305 Just one minor complaint. "You can get away with a lot more if you're the one buying the drinks." should be rule 6 and not rule 7.

Posted by: UWP at December 11, 2013 09:10 PM (2hQRj)

306 The ONT seems to break into guitar talk on a regular basis so, with that in mind, here's a photo one of the guys n twitter sent to me. http://t.co/ygmycmP3x7

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 09:10 PM (DmNpO)

307 Your NEA grant came through? Congrats!

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at December 11, 2013 09:11 PM (5lVZz)

308 Guitar Talk?

Who's that with?

Fret and Pick?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:11 PM (LSDdO)

309 What's up, Duck?

Posted by: fluffy at December 11, 2013 09:11 PM (Ua6T/)

310 What's up chuck?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:13 PM (LSDdO)

311 GMB, you're a good person. So is your spouse."

We try.

Wheres my Nobel Prize?

Posted by: GMB at December 12, 2013 01:07 AM (nkPV9)

Sadly, the good "die young". Or in your case, just get ignored by the MSM.

HOWEVER, the Horde sees what you're dong and stands in awe. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR WIFE.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 09:13 PM (RX6BJ)

312 Horde sees your dong.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:14 PM (LSDdO)

313 the continuing saga of replacing the garage door opener --- Came home from work one night and the ex was home. I said why didn't you go to work? She said, the power was out so the garage door wouldn't open. I said, you just needed to pull the string to disengage the chain. Women....

Posted by: UWP at December 11, 2013 09:14 PM (2hQRj)

314 But then she would've had to lift the door. duh.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:15 PM (LSDdO)

315 >>> I think Arma.... is a New Testament thing only The book of Joel refers to it as the valley of decision. There are other OT references.

Posted by: fluffy at December 11, 2013 09:15 PM (Ua6T/)

316

267 254 Is it weird fapping to Betty White's picture?

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at December 12, 2013 12:48 AM (pJF+c) .

Depends on whether it's this one ................ or this one ............

yep.

Posted by: tbodie at December 12, 2013 01:08 AM (RX6BJ)

Wait. I said that wrong.

NOPE!

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 09:15 PM (RX6BJ)

317 Carol, Carol, Carol -- you can't pretend you don't know the rulez just because you changed your nic.....pics! Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 12:52 AM (T1005) I would hardly say I changed my nick, I dropped the T. IÂ’m still the same Carol. My brother has been in the hospital since Friday, this time with problems being unable to breathe. No one deserves what heÂ’s gone through. Oh, sorry, I hate to wish ill on others but I can think of one that deserves it. May God forgive me. .

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 09:16 PM (z4WKX)

318 so.

Stopped beating your wife?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:16 PM (LSDdO)

319 290 GMB, you're a good person. So is your spouse.

cthulhu, congrats on the opener. Hopefully, you learned at least one new and novel combination of cursewords from the ordeal.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 12, 2013 01:05 AM (wNF3N)

Actually, it wasn't that exciting....it's just that they assume you're going to install them in an empty garage, and it frequently took some minutes to go from one side to the other because of all the warehoused crap [for example, to go from the door attachment bracket to the power plug for the unit, you had to de-attach the door using the emergency release handle, open the door manually from the inside, exit the garage, go around 3 sides of the garage (though the house on side 3), exit the house into the garage, and go forward about six feet -- even though you ended up about 8' from where you started.].

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 09:16 PM (T1005)

320 tbodie. Thank you very much.

B C. I hope not.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 09:17 PM (nkPV9)

321 Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 01:16 AM (T1005)

Write them a stern and critical letter.

(yeah. that'll work)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:17 PM (LSDdO)

322 Oh, also. I noticed that Ani DiFranco came up on one of the daytime threads while I was at work. I didn't get to comment, but I met her once in the mid-90s. (Yow, almost 20 years ago!). She was smokin' hot. If you looked past the odd hairstyle. Also, she wore yellow/green cats eye contacts, which were...interesting. Seriously, though: Screen door > hurricane. She's a flaming commie, sadly. Alas.

Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 09:18 PM (sdi6R)

323

the continuing saga of replacing the garage door opener
---
Came home from work one night and the ex was home. I said why didn't you go to work? She said, the power was out so the garage door wouldn't open.

'Nuff said.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 09:18 PM (RX6BJ)

324 Dude, that's just wrong Depends, heh ... NDH - you know you are wasting your time arguing with someone who says on timeline that their employer should have no say in their birth control, but then, should pay for their birth control ... =============== re: typical libs and xmas ... Gotta FB friend who is really more of a work acquaintance but a nice guy, good taste in music, and a flaming lib. I wrote an essay about keeping politics off of FB and it seems to have had an impact as I'm not seeing as much hate in my timeline ... Anywhoo, he posts a rather innocuous but kinda funny comment on preparing for xmas for his kid: OP: It's time for the "meeting with Santa" part of the year. While it's always fun, it would be more fun if it weren't so bloody expensive. So, this is the unbelievable reply he gets from some other friend of his, or maybe family: Comment 1: I detest the commercialization of Christmas. It is a "secular capitalist" holiday. Think about that. What do u think? Comment 2: Don't get me wrong. I had beautiful Christmases as a child. Nothing wrong with the real Christmas. I don't "do" presents. I give them @ other times of the year. Comment 3: Maybe it would be good to teach our children what really matters in life, such as, Family, Friends and Love. (My daughter xxxxx stepmom's daughter just committed suicide this past week @ 41 yrs. old. My daughter told me that it has helped her "put things in perspective" as in, getting her priorities straight.) OP: I'm sorry to hear about the loss Commenter, that's a tough one, sheesh. Comment 4: yes, of course, OP. Thanks. It always is for those who are the closest to the victim. (and "no one saw it coming".) I'm like WTF WOW MOG best Merry Christmas EVER! I have no idea who this lady is so I click on her avi and, middle aged white boomer chick, duh ... IDK if that is worse FB comment I have ever seen, or, worse FB comment ever ... I'm going to repost my the longish thing I put in the Obama xmas card post just after everyone ran off to additional bloodletting post for y'all because I think its mildly amusing and took me a while:

Posted by: Joe at December 11, 2013 09:18 PM (B+xcR)

325 Note to self. Do not answer Bitter Clinger unless you can in real time. Will avoid much trouble.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 09:18 PM (nkPV9)

326 #300 Thanks, "Rachel". I love it when guy's fantasize about me as it strengthens my pro-gay bona fides.
You are a guy, aren't you?

Posted by: joey biden at December 11, 2013 09:19 PM (vjQ/G)

327 I'm sure I missed almost everyone at this point, but: Cosmo - I think it was Mamawinger that said her husband somehow got a subscription. MMagazines have been doing this for years. He must've a a sub from another mag from that distributor. He then got on their list so they can lie about their rates (market exposure) and get more $ from advertisers. AD rates are bases on "sales" and his subscription counts. I used to get all kinds of mags I never signed up for. GMB, glad to hear things didn't go ballistic. And once again, what you're doing speaks volumes about your character. Hopefully, the kids will grow a lot very quickly, and start making the right decisions. Whatever they may be. Good luck to all involved. Now, to finish the deviled eggs I have a craving for. Eggs are boiled and cooked, just have to mix and full them.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 11, 2013 09:19 PM (nttL5)

328 Heads up, meteor shower incoming. http://tinyurl.com/mgb5b3g

And apparently its official. Comet ISON is dead, it has shuffled off this mortal coil, and is not pining for the fjords. http://tinyurl.com/jwwgzvw

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 09:20 PM (JdUCt)

329 ISON is not dead. Now that the scouting mission from SMOD is over, it went back into cloaked mode.

Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 09:22 PM (nkPV9)

330 Not even any pebbles coming our way?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:22 PM (LSDdO)

331 317 Carol, Carol, Carol -- you can't pretend you don't know the rulez just because you changed your nic.....pics!
Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 12:52 AM (T1005)

I would hardly say I changed my nick, I dropped the T. IÂ’m still the same Carol.
My brother has been in the hospital since Friday, this time with problems being unable to breathe. No one deserves what heÂ’s gone through.

Oh, sorry, I hate to wish ill on others but I can think of one that deserves it. May God forgive me.
.

Posted by: Carol at December 12, 2013 01:16 AM (z4WKX)

We know very well about the great burden you carry, and are praying for your brother Paul, and hope that generally being silly can sometimes amuse you enough to give some slight respite from the weight of it.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 09:22 PM (T1005)

332 http://bit.ly/1d8WCHL

lol

Posted by: The Dude at December 11, 2013 09:23 PM (vJdyz)

333 Well, there's still hope that the Super Collider experiments will accidentally create a singularity and we'll all be sucked into oblivion.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:24 PM (LSDdO)

334 I am really enjoying Masters of Sex about Masters and Johnson on Showtime. Am sad Sunday is already the season finale. Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 12, 2013 12:25 AM Paranoid Girl, I started to watch the end of Masters of Sex a few weeks ago and thought it was interesting. I watched all but one demand. I love that show. The good thing about Showtime is that they donÂ’t tease you, all the episodes are there to watch. Around this time last year I thought I might like Dexter, while I was waiting for Homeland to come on. I never thought it was something I would like but I did and watched just about every episode on demand last winter & was thrilled that I did not have to wait a week to see the next episode.

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 09:24 PM (z4WKX)

335 With my luck, we'll all just wind up in some other universe.

*sigh*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:25 PM (LSDdO)

336 So ISON ISOFF. Got it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 09:25 PM (wNF3N)

337 The Dude, in previous centuries that would be called a devil. Doubt Hironymous Bosch could top the sheer horror of that visage.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 09:25 PM (JdUCt)

338

No one deserves what heÂ’s gone through.

Posted by: Carol at December 12, 2013 01:16 AM (z4WKX)

Carol,

You do not deserve what you are going thru. Your strength and perseverence amazes me. We of the horde just try to encourage because that's all we can do.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 09:26 PM (RX6BJ)

339 So I mentioned it on Twitter and suddenly found myself in a discussion about what Apple device you'd want to take back in time from today to blow away those sci-fi writers in 1956. Couldn't take one back because I don't own an Apple device. The only noteworthy item I have is an original Pulsar LED watch that still works after close to forty years.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 11, 2013 09:26 PM (hBdnt)

340 24 rules to be a gentleman in 2014

http://bit.ly/1d8WUhQ

Posted by: The Dude at December 11, 2013 09:27 PM (vJdyz)

341 Bitter Clinger, perhaps if they hit the right Higgs-Boson a mental brainwave sieve will be created. Shunting the liberals and Muslims into one copy of the Earth while everyone else gets a different copy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 09:27 PM (JdUCt)

342 Our sun may be a yellow dwarf but it's a MEAN yellow dwarf.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:27 PM (LSDdO)

343 I saw Sucked Into Oblivion open for The Rotters [biggest hit -- "Sit On My Face, Stevie Nicks"] at the UCSB Rec Center in 1982....

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 09:28 PM (T1005)

344 Posted by: The Dude at December 12, 2013 01:23 AM (vJdyz)

Yikes. I'd at least install a bottle opener in that chin hole.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 09:30 PM (wNF3N)

345 It must be a bitch using a straw, too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 09:33 PM (wNF3N)

346 345 It must be a bitch using a straw, too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 12, 2013 01:33 AM (wNF3N)

I'm sure she keeps a stopper in her pocket.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 09:35 PM (T1005)

347 To return to the previous thread for a comment: Whatever the actual intent of Paul Ryan, I will point out that giving Reid the Imbecle the ability to raise taxes with 51 Senators instead of 60 is the Congressional equivalent of giving a retarded chimp a lit flare and a 5 gallons of gas in a can with no cap. Reid is an idiot, and will try to raise taxes ... oblivious to the fact that EVERY D in the House and all the ones in the Senate up for re-election in 2014 (and probably the ones up in 2016 too) are barely able to control their colons, due to the ObamaCare "Wile E. Coyote-style" crash. Pryor is undergoing The Fear and Trembling, Landrieu is already campaigning like a Republican, and Smalley seems to be MIA (probably reconnoitering Holiday Inns, for potential gigs) ... ... with 11 months to go. Ryan is an idiot, and this deal is not good, BUT it should scare very many Senators and every Representative ... and get the Voting Public severely energized.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 11, 2013 09:36 PM (FlRtG)

348 Hi ont. So sick of petty ass people bitching about their so-called drama, not you guys, I haven't read the thread. But just in general. You were born Anerican, you hit the jackpot, my opinion, sheesh.

Posted by: lous a girl at December 11, 2013 09:36 PM (vgd4f)

349 Ace is on a late night twitter tear, along with Jon Gabriel, to tear Josh Barro a new one. The two of them have great interplay. https://twitter.com/AceofSpadesHQ

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 09:36 PM (DmNpO)

350 >> 24 rules to be a gentleman in 2014

That list is gay.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 09:37 PM (wNF3N)

351 348 Anerican=American obviously, sheesh

Posted by: lous a girl at December 11, 2013 09:38 PM (vgd4f)

352 Posted by: tbodie at December 12, 2013 01:26 AM (RX6BJ) I have run out of thing to encourage my brother. I will try calling the places here to get him to MA instead of Maine. He wants to be close to his ex & kids, but I learned what to watch for with my mother. She had AlzheimerÂ’s & I could scare the life out of nurses three times the size of me, There was one time I told the nurse that if anything happened to my MotherÂ’s foot I would kill someone, they use to put a brace on backwards and or on wrong foot. I didnÂ’t particularly threaten that nurse, then I went to tell her to get the night nurse in charge, The phone rang and she excused herself to answer the phone. She had already called the one in charge and told her, in front of me that she had Mrs TÂ’s daughter here and quite frankly she was afraid for her life! There is a 35+ mile difference between being near me and them.

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 09:38 PM (z4WKX)

353 Paul Ryan gave away tax increases on a simple majority! Three or four years ago I thought he was great. My older brother is right, they all suck!

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 09:40 PM (z4WKX)

354 man. you really have to hate yourself a lot to do something like that.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:41 PM (LSDdO)

355 Carol, I am now up to the season 2 finale for Homeland. It's been an odd romance. I really do not like the protagonist. At all. She is deeply flawed but, worse, she is too often rewarded for her behavior. She's always gotta be the most rebellious, the smartest, the only person in-the-know. YET... Danes is phenomenal in the role. Add to that the brilliant acting by the fella who plays Brody and I'm hooked. The writing and the acting are wonderful.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 09:41 PM (DmNpO)

356
The atmosphere of this December is somewhat oppressive. Like the world is holding its breath for what is coming. And I am not getting the warm "Hooray Jesus is born" vibe from the anticipation.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 12, 2013 12:23 AM (RZ8pf)

Damn it! And here I am thinking I got a bad refill on my Fukidol script.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at December 11, 2013 09:42 PM (/2ciC)

357 tonight makes me want to put in heated flooring

Posted by: The Dude at December 11, 2013 09:44 PM (vJdyz)

358 tonight makes me want to put in heated flooring ** My sliding door is open so the cats can come and go.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 09:46 PM (DmNpO)

359 223 P.S. A ~~Kelin~~ Klein bottle is actually a 4-D ~~torus~~ doughnut.

fixt. because doughnut.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 11, 2013 09:46 PM (U82Km)

360 My sliding door is open so the cats can come and go.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 12, 2013 01:46 AM (DmNpO)

currently -23 outside since the wind has been picking up even more

Posted by: The Dude at December 11, 2013 09:47 PM (vJdyz)

361 357 tonight makes me want to put in heated flooring

Posted by: The Dude at December 12, 2013 01:44 AM (vJdyz)

We got some hard freezes earlier -- it looks like there's some frost damage inside the greenhouses -- but it's only supposed to get down to 35 tonight and the trend is generally warming. That's not to say we won't get another run, but freezing here is sporadic, not a season.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 09:47 PM (T1005)

362 currently -23 outside since the wind has been picking up even more *** yikes! http://bit.ly/1hO53hw

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 09:49 PM (DmNpO)

363 I'm in Silicon Valley.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 09:52 PM (T1005)

364 It's only 15, here. But that's a hell of a lot warmer than -23.

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 09:52 PM (ldHut)

365 Okay, these Apple toys you're taking back to 1959 -- what are they going to do, actually, to impress the sci-fi writers? A Kindle kind of thing would get them going all right so long as you had a lot of books loaded, so be sure to take one that will run on Ray-O-Vac D cells, and don't expect to find battery chargers at the coffee shop (and get used to drinking coffee there, too, instead of the soy-and-fake sugar confections at StarBroke). Cell phones, it is to laugh. There are no cell towers or networks, and no digital signal codes, so, it's a box with a light and a battery that lasts all day. For one day. Laptop, iPad, to link to the Net? No net, genius. No net servers. Nobody else on. Like having a radio receiver and no one else having a transmitter. In 1959 they thought portable computers were going to store knowledge, not link to off-site files.

You going to impress the most active minds of mid-century with some video gaming? Fuck, really? They're not going to believe how vapid you are. They played a lot of chess and Stratego. Bring your A game. They were good.

A modern car! Take a trailer of spare parts, and let's just get that converter off before you leave, because 1959 fuel will plug it up in a day or two. Your new versions of a VCR won't tape the broadcast line-counts of 1959, you know. What did the dot-matrix chick do when she ran out of tractor-paper? Punch a lot of holes?

You might do best to just take a calculator, with spare batteries of course. In '59 they still did a lot of calculations.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 11, 2013 09:55 PM (xq1UY)

366

I have run out of thing to encourage my brother......

Posted by: Carol at December 12, 2013 01:38 AM (z4WKX)

I will keep praying for you. And I will strive to be consistinent in my prayers.

All I know is that 30 years ago my mother struggled in dealing with my Grandmother in long term health issues. It left a lasting impression on me. For whatever reason your plight resonates with me.

Do what you need to do to take care of your brother. But, also take care of yourself. From what I have seen that is a fine line to walk.

Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 09:56 PM (RX6BJ)

367 Heh heh.

My bank (Wells Fargo) has been trying for a while to get me to switch to online statements and I always reject them. (they could offer me some of what they'd be saving as an incentive but NOOOOO.)

Tonight they tried to just force me onto them.

Got a notice that I was being switched (whether I wanted it or not) however reading the fine print, I found that I could switch them back anytime. So that's what I did. *insert evil laugh here*

Bitches.

Having hard copy controlled by yourself is good business. Especially when it's money and it's a bank you're dealing with.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:56 PM (LSDdO)

368 Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 12, 2013 01:55 AM (xq1UY)

Bravo!

I thought some of the same things but was too lazy and pissed off about other stuff to write it up.

good points.

If you're going to daydream, at least keep it in the realm of possibility and don't go skipping over the important facts about yesteryear.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 09:59 PM (LSDdO)

369 365 Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 12, 2013 01:55 AM (xq1UY) Good job! Those 59ers would have also said, "We're going to the Moon with our slide rules" and meant it.

Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 10:01 PM (sdi6R)

370 367 Heh heh.

My bank (Wells Fargo) has been trying for a while to get me to switch to online statements and I always reject them. (they could offer me some of what they'd be saving as an incentive but NOOOOO.)

Tonight they tried to just force me onto them.

Got a notice that I was being switched (whether I wanted it or not) however reading the fine print, I found that I could switch them back anytime. So that's what I did. *insert evil laugh here*

Bitches.

Having hard copy controlled by yourself is good business. Especially when it's money and it's a bank you're dealing with.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:56 AM (LSDdO)

The day that my bank statements become paperless is the day that my bank account goes to paper -- that is to say, folding green paper with pictures of dead presidents on 'em. I'll keep 'em under my mattress before I'll let some dumbass bank virtualize 'em.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:01 PM (T1005)

371 I think I'd take cash. (but old stuff not the newer dates cause I'd get arrested for counterfeiting.) cause of inflation, 20 dollars here would be a days wage or more then. (I worked in 1964 for 1.50 per hour.)

I'd bring some copies of the Wall street Journal circa where I was headed to purchase stocks. (buy the stock and put it in a safe deposit box to be opened in the 21st century. Also coins and metals)

The best thing to take to the past would be knowledge but you'd have to be careful as they could lock you up for being a kook.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 10:04 PM (LSDdO)

372 367 >> Tonight they tried to just force me onto them.

hmmm BC, I just got a Wells Fargo CC; I'll keep my eye out for this trick of theirs. I too insist on paper statements, even though I rarely open them. They are my backup system.

But if they were to offer $25 a pop to switch, I'd probably go paperless. Bribe me, bitches, or go scratch.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 10:05 PM (wNF3N)

373 Ryan is an idiot, and this deal is not good, BUT it should scare very many Senators and every Representative ... and get the Voting Public severely energized. Posted by: Arbalest at December 12, 2013 01:36 AM (FlRtG) I saw the post by Ace buy wanted to read ONT. I went back & read it. Yes, Ryan & House republicans are idiots! They have the power of the purse & I am so sick of hearing how they only control 1/3 of the government & that elections have consequences. We know that but donÂ’t give away more of that power! I would like to knock Boehner & Ryan out right now. These jerks work for us, they are not permanent employees. Primary every one of them, even the Rs in safe R districts. we might not be the only ones that think they give in to the SCOAMF! WE want men & women representing us that have the guts to stand up & do the job they are supposed to do!

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 10:06 PM (z4WKX)

374 I got the notice when I logged on to my account.

They loves digital cause it's cheaper for them. I always tell them that if they want me to do that, fine but they have to give me an incentive also.

they want to be selfish and I want to have a record that I control.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 10:07 PM (LSDdO)

375 good points.

If you're going to daydream, at least keep it in the realm of possibility and don't go skipping over the important facts about yesteryear.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:59 AM (LSDdO)

And thus missing the entire point of a 'mental game'.

Posted by: Mætenloch at December 11, 2013 10:08 PM (XkotV)

376 Well, yeah. I wasn't being as critical as it may have seemed. Just teasing really.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 10:10 PM (LSDdO)

377 A little background on why you might want to keep actual paper bank statements, even if they're tossed in a box you seldom look into..... http://tinyurl.com/l6de7vo .

And, BTW, on the subject of December paranoia......anyone think it's impossible that Ryan got a call from a guy inside the NSA who said, "go with the deal, or your home computer will have 10G of kiddie porn on it when we raid you next week."

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:10 PM (T1005)

378 Once is accident. Twice is coincident. Thrice is enemy action.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 10:12 PM (LSDdO)

379 Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at December 12, 2013 02:08 AM (XkotV)

Thanks once again for good reading material Maet. I'm currently plowing through the libertarian piece from BB; he misses the boat by a mile in a few cases (404Care is a free market policy?? In what universe, I wonder) but he does make some valid points too.

I'm down to the part of him explaining Heinlein's position. Ought to be fun.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 10:15 PM (wNF3N)

380 A modern car! As a child of the transition between the worst cold-weather car-starting device ever invented (Ford's variable-venturi carburetor) and hassle-free quickly-toasty electronic fuel injection, this gets my vote as jaw-dropper for anyone who's experienced four actual seasons. Don't worry about keeping your foot correctly-positioned in 1/64" increments on the accelerator pedal. Turn the key and let the silicon do its magic!

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2013 10:16 PM (r7YzD)

381 "He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future."

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:16 PM (T1005)

382 It really is shameful that the only sign that the signing-interpreter in South Africa knew how to do correctly was the one for "liar". He used it repeatedly as Obama spoke... about every 3rd word by my count. One would think that he could have used "bullshit", a couple of times anyway!

Posted by: and irresolute at December 11, 2013 10:16 PM (RqHWH)

383 379 Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at December 12, 2013 02:08 AM (XkotV)

Thanks once again for good reading material Maet. I'm currently plowing through the libertarian piece from BB; he misses the boat by a mile in a few cases (404Care is a free market policy?? In what universe, I wonder) but he does make some valid points too.

I'm down to the part of him explaining Heinlein's position. Ought to be fun.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 12, 2013 02:15 AM (wNF3N)

He basically discounts everything about Heinlein in favor of labeling him a technocrat.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:17 PM (T1005)

384 @371 BC, that's about right. Same sort of conclusions I reach when I play that. Typical problem with the undyling madness of time travel, though: in the same way that trying to promote peace might cause a war (or, a tangle of unforeseen circumstances frustrates you so the fabric of time is not, after all, rent) -- isn't it possible that buying IBM at 3 might cause it to crash in 1964 and be a penny stock now?

I can about see myself bursting into a cabinet meeting to warn Allen and John Dulles that Fidel was approaching Habana, and having them roll their eyes, cluck their tongues and call me a rube for not knowing that they knew all about it...

A car magazine not noted for its great fiction once ran a fun story, in which a guy sends off a coupon to a parts advertiser in the back of a 1930's magazine -- and gets an answer! He quickly develops an old car parts business, all by mail, then figures a way to order a new car, to be left on a street. An unplanned bathroom break keeps him from actually meeting his out-of-time correspondent (and he was worrying about that--talk about a deus ex machina plot device). He ends up with a showroom-new Model A in the present time, and gets points taken off by car-show judges because it's too damned original. Now that's how I'd like to do time travel. A new Ford GT, you know, was about 16 grand.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 11, 2013 10:19 PM (xq1UY)

385 380 A modern car!

As a child of the transition between the worst cold-weather car-starting device ever invented (Ford's variable-venturi carburetor) and hassle-free quickly-toasty electronic fuel injection, this gets my vote as jaw-dropper for anyone who's experienced four actual seasons.

Don't worry about keeping your foot correctly-positioned in 1/64" increments on the accelerator pedal. Turn the key and let the silicon do its magic!

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 12, 2013 02:16 AM (r7YzD)

I had a variable-venturi carb on my first car!!!! Boy, was that a total piece-of-shit or what? I understand the principle, and evidently it tested out fine on the bench with lab-grade gasoline, but when released to the real world, the needle valve rapidly developed a coating of gasoline impurities and would wonk out the precise fuel/air/velocity ratios that were supposed to make it so kewl.....often to the point where it underperformed standard carbs.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:21 PM (T1005)

386 Bitcoins are worth $1000.00 apiece. The Free Market allowed for this even before it becomes Traded on the NASDAQ.

There had/has been no I.P.O. They are not Formally(Federally-Publicly-Traded.

Back a currency once-in-a-while, right?

Silly "Gold-Standard".

How's about, at least, limiting production of "fifties"?

...Bitcoins won't matter when the SMOD hits, the Earth boils, or The Polar Reversal makes itself apparent.

I'm merely speaking in an ethereal, "I hope everything goes well."- type voice. For you guys.

-especially You Guys.

'sup?

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 11, 2013 10:22 PM (lq3Ak)

387 Bring multiple small computers, because the only way you're going to demonstrate networking and the potential is to bring enough nodes to form your own network worthy of demoing.

They were using NTSC in 1959 US. Any VCR should be fine so long as it has an RF input. If anyone ever made a consumer VCR for ATSC broadcasts, I never saw it marketed, even at CES.

Today was one of those really crappy days when I had nothing to do, no motivation, and just went back to sleep in hopes of never waking again. Then, after I could sleep no more I lie in bed being miserable. Yeah, I get like that. No, pharmaceuticals have never helped. It seems I'm just wired to be miserable.

So then I finally come to and read today's headlines. Is it the world that has gone completely fucking insane or me? Or is it both and I'm running an incompatible version of Insanity?

Posted by: Epobirs at December 11, 2013 10:23 PM (bPxS6)

388 Yo, Slappy -- howzit hangin'? Finally got garage door opener functional (though not optimal), then went food shopping with the BH and adrenaline ran out. Felt like someone had dropped a couple of sandbags on my shoulders.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:25 PM (T1005)

389 If I arrived in 1962, could I fuck over Lennon, McCartney et al with my premature shit rendition of Twist and Shout? Monsieur Ono actually sounds like he's been gassed by ze Chormans on most of that recording.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2013 10:31 PM (r7YzD)

390 387 Bring multiple small computers, because the only way you're going to demonstrate networking and the potential is to bring enough nodes to form your own network worthy of demoing.

They were using NTSC in 1959 US. Any VCR should be fine so long as it has an RF input. If anyone ever made a consumer VCR for ATSC broadcasts, I never saw it marketed, even at CES.

Today was one of those really crappy days when I had nothing to do, no motivation, and just went back to sleep in hopes of never waking again. Then, after I could sleep no more I lie in bed being miserable. Yeah, I get like that. No, pharmaceuticals have never helped. It seems I'm just wired to be miserable.

So then I finally come to and read today's headlines. Is it the world that has gone completely fucking insane or me? Or is it both and I'm running an incompatible version of Insanity?

Posted by: Epobirs at December 12, 2013 02:23 AM (bPxS6)

For those watching from countries using other television standards, NTSC stands for "Never Twice the Same Color", and refers to a method where a black-and-white picture is transmitted, along with the number of degrees from a reference point on a color wheel, and the television set attempts to reconstitute this into a color picture.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:31 PM (T1005)

391 387 So then I finally come to and read today's headlines. Is it the world that has gone completely fucking insane or me? Or is it both and I'm running an incompatible version of Insanity? Posted by: Epobirs at December 12, 2013 02:23 AM (bPxS6) Neo-Neocon had a good headline today: Evidence that the entire world has jumped the shark http://tinyurl.com/l53ymma

Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 10:35 PM (sdi6R)

392 @375 And thus missing the entire point of a 'mental game'.
That Marine Brigade you're going after the Roman Legion with? They're going to get the shits and die of it. Smallpox, plague, mumps -- get your shots, because we have no immunity. You're positing dragging your entire modern world with you into the past. That's not a mental game, that's alien invasion.

For cold starting, a properly-adjusted Carter automatic choke would outperform a variable-venturi any morning at 6. But they had to be cleaned every summer, and the carb set, and new plugs and points installed -- that could cost ten or twelve bucks, so it's no wonder people wouldn't stand for that.

I had a Benz with a Zenith on it. I bought it without being smart enough to realize that the Masters of the World in Stuttgart straight-up expected you to have the carb internals re-tuned between two and four times a year, by their technicians. That went a long way toward changing my mind about that line of cars.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 11, 2013 10:35 PM (xq1UY)

393 Well, there's still hope that the Super Collider experiments will accidentally create a singularity and we'll all be sucked into oblivion. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:24 AM (LSDdO) No, we want it to hit DC when everyone is there except forTed Cruz, Mike Lee & Rand Paul in the Senate. WE should probably spare Trey Gowdy, Chaffetz & Louis Gomert. There may be mroebit these are good men, except Gowdy wants to pass amnesty to those who were brought here at no fault of their own. I have solution, send illegal parents that knew they were breaking law, what do they do with children?

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 10:36 PM (z4WKX)

394 They didn't discuss the "open carry" walk as a deterrent to would be muggers.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 11, 2013 10:36 PM (lENtf)

395 Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 02:25 AM (T1005)

You had to move a ton of stuff even to run wire, right?

I'm still recovering from hanging those Christmas lights. My knees are starting to rebuke Jesus.

Anything over two hours isn't "shopping", anymore. It is "fishing".

....your legs best be sea-worthy.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 11, 2013 10:36 PM (lq3Ak)

396 Good Night!

Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 10:39 PM (z4WKX)

397 Oh, sorry, I hate to wish ill on others but I can think of one that deserves it. May God forgive me. . Posted by: Carol at December 12, 2013 01:16 AM (z4WKX) There's quite a few of us in that same boat. The Lord does want us to oppose evil, after all.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 11, 2013 10:42 PM (yIOT2)

398 395 Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 02:25 AM (T1005)

You had to move a ton of stuff even to run wire, right?

I'm still recovering from hanging those Christmas lights. My knees are starting to rebuke Jesus.

Anything over two hours isn't "shopping", anymore. It is "fishing".

....your legs best be sea-worthy.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 12, 2013 02:36 AM (lq3Ak)

Especially to run wire. The new optical sensors (near the bottom corners of the door) were a particular pain. I could run them up to the ceiling easily enough, but the door had to be closed in order to run them to the middle and back to the motor unit.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:42 PM (T1005)

399 One significant way to be ignored is to be ignorant.

-Slappy J. Weasel
December 12, 2013

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 11, 2013 10:43 PM (lq3Ak)

400 383 >> He basically discounts everything about Heinlein in favor of labeling him a technocrat.

Yeah cthulhu, quite disappointing. Heinlein used the future as a plot device and setting; his interest was exploring the human condition. You will find no long winded explanations of personality transfer mechanisms, or FTL physics, or even immortality other than Mendelian genetics. The Old Testament has 600 year old humans too, if I recall.

Heinlein did evolve quite a bit in social liberalism over his career, but always he insisted on personal responsibility.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 10:43 PM (wNF3N)

401 Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 12, 2013 02:35 AM (xq1UY) Yeah, you can awe the ancient tribesmen with your Zippo, but what happens when you run out of lighter fluid?

Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 10:46 PM (sdi6R)

402 I had a Benz with a Zenith on it. I bought it without being smart enough to realize that the Masters of the World in Stuttgart straight-up expected you to have the carb internals re-tuned between two and four times a year, by their technicians. That went a long way toward changing my mind about that line of cars. Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 12, 2013 02:35 AM (xq1UY) pfffftt.. that's nothin'.

Posted by: MGB with twin SU downdrafts at December 11, 2013 10:47 PM (yIOT2)

403 And, BTW, on the subject of December paranoia......anyone think it's impossible that Ryan got a call from a guy inside the NSA who said, "go with the deal, or your home computer will have 10G of kiddie porn on it when we raid you next week."

Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 02:10 AM (T1005)

Its fucking crazy that at this point in history I would have to say it wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 11, 2013 10:47 PM (FMbng)

404 "Especially to run wire. The new optical sensors (near the bottom corners of the door) were a particular pain. I could run them up to the ceiling easily enough, but the door had to be closed in order to run them to the middle and back to the motor unit."
Posted by: cthulhu

The door having to be closed runs counter-intuitively to my understanding of these systems.

I haven't had to install one, so I speculate.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 11, 2013 10:49 PM (lq3Ak)

405 @387 I apologize about VCR. Since VCR is a kind of 80's tech, what I meant was that you'd be going to 1959 with what we're using now instead of VCR's.

What do you suppose they'd make of it, back in 1959, to find out how much we pay for having TV piped into our homes via cable, and still have to watch commercials? Or, you know, our cars seldom rust out, get 50% better mileage, and then you show them the sticker price? We're about 25% over the inflation rate, so the 59ers will argue that just getting a new one every two years is worth it...

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 11, 2013 10:50 PM (xq1UY)

406 Paul Ryan's plan for the future -- Wimpynomics.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 10:51 PM (wNF3N)

407 400 383 >> He basically discounts everything about Heinlein in favor of labeling him a technocrat.

Yeah cthulhu, quite disappointing. Heinlein used the future as a plot device and setting; his interest was exploring the human condition. You will find no long winded explanations of personality transfer mechanisms, or FTL physics, or even immortality other than Mendelian genetics. The Old Testament has 600 year old humans too, if I recall.

Heinlein did evolve quite a bit in social liberalism over his career, but always he insisted on personal responsibility.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 12, 2013 02:43 AM (wNF3N)

Besides that, technocrats are way, way, way too far into credentialism. "We're the best and brightest 'cause we've been to Harvard Law, we have Ph.D's, we've won Nobel prizes, we were at Yale...." and suchlike. Heinlein absolutely shredded such pomposity -- he revered and valued learning, but never insisted that it came from a single font.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:51 PM (T1005)

408 404 "Especially to run wire. The new optical
sensors (near the bottom corners of the door) were a particular pain. I
could run them up to the ceiling easily enough, but the door had to be
closed in order to run them to the middle and back to the motor unit."

Posted by: cthulhu

The door having to be closed runs counter-intuitively to my understanding of these systems.

I haven't had to install one, so I speculate.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 12, 2013 02:49 AM (lq3Ak)

To access the ceiling between the door opening and the door opener, the door needs to be closed or it'd be in the way. So you have to wire up the walls with the door open ('cause junk), then close door and run wire sideways along the ceiling and back to the opener.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 10:55 PM (T1005)

409 MGB with twin SU downdrafts

I give you the Series I E-type, with updrafts. And see your point.

The Benz was (and is) marketed as being reliable. You bought an MG because it was fun to work on. And you got to have a lot of fun.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 11, 2013 10:57 PM (xq1UY)

410 409 MGB with twin SU downdrafts

I give you the Series I E-type, with updrafts. And see your point.

The Benz was (and is) marketed as being reliable. You bought an MG because it was fun to work on. And you got to have a lot of fun.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 12, 2013 02:57 AM (xq1UY)

There is a guy around the corner from me who has a collection of miniature cars -- as in, he can easily fit nine of 'em in a standard two-car driveway. He has a whole lot of fun. I think he even has one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Trident .

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 11:03 PM (T1005)

411 Good call on Heinlein, both calls. He was a writer, not an ideologue, and for as "cardboard" as his characters were, he was very good at portraying their points of view -- enough that you can't tell if they're talking, or he is. Mark of a good writer. He was lefty as hell in the 30's, so I'd argue about which direction he "evolved."

It's my birthday. I'm going to go sleep away part of it. Good talking with yaz.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 11, 2013 11:05 PM (xq1UY)

412 They didn't discuss the "open carry" walk as a deterrent to would be muggers. Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean

or a 175lb drooling Boerboel

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 11:07 PM (4JkHl)

413

I sometimes wonder how far back in time I'd have to go before the casual knowledge I have of things would be cutting edge discovery. I know generally how DNA and replication work, but when would it be enough to be useful? The theory I know about aircraft and rocketry are pretty useless without hardware, and much of the theory is pretty old anyway.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at December 11, 2013 11:11 PM (Io7hX)

414 #405

Depends where you are in 1959. The first cable TV deployments in Colorado were only ten years later in 1969, bringing reliable reception to those customers for the first time. Where I grew up, Thousand Oaks, CA, had a cable deployment just a few years later. I remember the bill for Storer Cable to get 2 through 13 was $14 a month back around 1975. Without that cable service you were lucky if you got one or two channels, if any. There were a lot of big hills and small mountains between us and most of the broadcast towers in LA.

The VCR as a consumer product would have been remarkable but the first commercial VTR system was introduced by Ampex in 1956, for which they were awarded an Emmy in 1957. The Kitchen Debate between then-VP Nixon and Soviet leader Kruschev were recorded by an Ampex VTR in 1959.

Which reminds me, one of those laptops should have the 100 GB Wikipedia archive on board.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 11, 2013 11:16 PM (bPxS6)

415 dude, I'm sure that implementing basic hygenic discipline (boiling water, latrines, drainage) to an army on the march would have made me a rich "defense contractor" from about the Civil War and on back.

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 11:16 PM (4JkHl)

416 *static*

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 11, 2013 11:16 PM (lq3Ak)

417 413
I sometimes wonder how far back in time I'd have to go before the casual knowledge I have of things would be cutting edge discovery. I know generally how DNA and replication work, but when would it be enough to be useful? The theory I know about aircraft and rocketry are pretty useless without hardware, and much of the theory is pretty old anyway.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at December 12, 2013 03:11 AM (Io7hX)

Thing is, you'd sort of have to hit a "sweet spot" with every bit of knowledge -- the point where you wouldn't be burned as a heretic but might still be considered seriously. And that "heretic" thing isn't just the Roman Catholic church.....

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 11:18 PM (T1005)

418 Happy Birthday, Stringer Davis!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 11:20 PM (T1005)

419 A little bit of knowledge about plastics and polymer chemistry could go a long way a few hundred years ago. All the basic lab/manufacturing tech for the manufacture of the simpler plastics existed back then.

Similarly, just a bit of insight into steel manufacture, high carbon steels, and things like nitriding, would have been revolutionary 150 years ago.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 11, 2013 11:21 PM (UVadJ)

420 I don't think an engineer in 50's would have been shocked by the VCR. He would look at it as a natural progression of technology he had. Now, digital storage and integration like the iPad or new material concepts like carbon nanotubes - that would shock him - for about 10min, then he would ask you to explain it to him and he would catch on very quickly.

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 11:21 PM (4JkHl)

421 I don't think taking computer games would be a bad thing, so long as you take the right ones. Avalon Hill, under its original name, was just starting its product line then. Something in that same vein, like Company of Heroes, could be quite engaging to someone who'd played table top military sims.

Likewise, complex 3D graphics might be quite engaging, not only for their visceral qualities but as applied mathematics. A very straightforward way to demonstrate the horsepower in these future boxes.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 11, 2013 11:22 PM (bPxS6)

422 Purp, after I kept the king's army at 75% effectives thru the whole fighting season - no churchman would be burning me.

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 11:24 PM (4JkHl)

423 377 A little background on why you might want to keep actual paper bank statements, even if they're tossed in a box you seldom look into..... http://tinyurl.com/l6de7vo ..

I don't see that this has anything to do w/e-statements. All my accounts are on e-statements and they deliver PDFs of the paper statement you would receive in the mail that can be printed out and/or saved onto your HD. No way the bank could "delete" them.

Posted by: bill-o at December 11, 2013 11:25 PM (AWwDY)

424 The Manhattan Project team with the ability to visualize chemical structures, ouch

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 11:27 PM (4JkHl)

425 420 I don't think an engineer in 50's would have been shocked by the VCR. He would look at it as a natural progression of technology he had. Now, digital storage and integration like the iPad or new material concepts like carbon nanotubes - that would shock him - for about 10min, then he would ask you to explain it to him and he would catch on very quickly.

Posted by: Jean at December 12, 2013 03:21 AM (4JkHl)

The weird thing about VCRs is a thing that few of us ever deal with -- it's just like a regular magnetic tape recorder except that the read/write head is mounted on a wheel that spins diagonally across the tape -- so when the tape moves one inch, the head can scan multiple partial multi-inch paths. This allows wide mag tape to record oodles of data. There's an explanation with graphics here -- http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/sam/icets/vcr.htm .

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 11:32 PM (T1005)

426 423 377
A little background on why you might want to keep actual paper bank
statements, even if they're tossed in a box you seldom look into.....
http://tinyurl.com/l6de7vo ..

I don't see that this has anything to do w/e-statements. All my accounts are on e-statements and they deliver PDFs of the paper statement you would receive in the mail that can be printed out and/or saved onto your HD. No way the bank could "delete" them.

Posted by: bill-o at December 12, 2013 03:25 AM (AWwDY)

So you believe that a pdf reader can't be subverted? When was the last time you let your reader auto-update? Using Adobe? Have you checked to see how many times Adobe was compelled to do something for the NSA without telling anybody what they'd done?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 11:37 PM (T1005)

427 FWIW, there's several non-Adobe PDF readers available.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 11, 2013 11:40 PM (UVadJ)

428 427 FWIW, there's several non-Adobe PDF readers available.

Posted by: Purp at December 12, 2013 03:40 AM (UVadJ)

Yep. But the fundamental issue is that banks keep their accounts completely electronically -- if they send you completely electronic data, what "real" is left to be reconciled? I'm a CPA, an auditor, and you always talk about reconciling to source docs.....what if all the source docs are queries off the same database? Of course everything will be consistent....and when the underlying database is modified improperly, everything will be consistent then, too. The Orwell quote @381 is one of the most astute observations ever made, and should give anyone pause who believes in electronic statements.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 11, 2013 11:47 PM (T1005)

429 That hawt babe did a lot of Cosmo covers. Here is one from 1977 that is even better.

http://tinyurl.com/q7b3w4y

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 11, 2013 11:51 PM (T2V/1)

430 "Yep. But the fundamental issue is that banks keep their accounts completely electronically -- if they send you completely electronic data, what "real" is left to be reconciled? I'm a CPA, an auditor, and you always talk about reconciling to source docs.....what if all the source docs are queries off the same database? Of course everything will be consistent....and when the underlying database is modified improperly, everything will be consistent then, too. The Orwell quote @381 is one of the most astute observations ever made, and should give anyone pause who believes in electronic statements."

The issue runs way deeper than PDF readers and if you think your paper statement is some sort of protection, it could be rigged just as easily...

Posted by: bill-o at December 11, 2013 11:59 PM (AWwDY)

431 that is nice Vic

Posted by: bill-o at December 11, 2013 11:59 PM (AWwDY)

432 Back in the days when the Cosmo covers were racier than the Playboy covers.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 12, 2013 12:03 AM (bPxS6)

433 430 "Yep. But the fundamental issue is that banks keep their accounts
completely electronically -- if they send you completely electronic
data, what "real" is left to be reconciled? I'm a CPA, an auditor, and
you always talk about reconciling to source docs.....what if all the
source docs are queries off the same database? Of course everything will
be consistent....and when the underlying database is modified
improperly, everything will be consistent then, too. The Orwell quote
@381 is one of the most astute observations ever made, and should give
anyone pause who believes in electronic statements."

The issue runs way deeper than PDF readers and if you think your paper statement is some sort of protection, it could be rigged just as easily...

Posted by: bill-o at December 12, 2013 03:59 AM (AWwDY)

If you have a paper statement, it has a beginning balance, transactions, and an ending balance. The next paper statement should have a beginning balance that equals the previous ending balance, more transactions (which are not duplicates) and a new ending balance.

Transactions can be "disappeared" by rolling them into balances -- end balance period 1, $1000; beginning balance period 2, $900. They can be gamed by reflecting them twice -- check #123 clears for $100 in period 1; check #123 clears for $100 in period 2.

If you can change two adjacent statements, you can do anything you want to the account -- but if one has been printed on paper and shoved in a box, it can't be changed.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 12:10 AM (T1005)

434 Now I know why they were laughing and joking at that memorial: it was 4 hours long and started an hour late making it 5 hours long.

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 12, 2013 12:20 AM (h4eud)

435 How can a politician be a lousy lover?

They habitually fuck 300 million people at once.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 12, 2013 12:31 AM (9jfyN)

436 If you can change two adjacent statements, you can do anything you want to the account -- but if one has been printed on paper and shoved in a box, it can't be changed.

And basically this is what is done w/e-statements. They are printed then a PDF made and emailed. They look exactly like the paper statement, your source doc, because that is the original document. I think your a bit paranoid here, tampering could not happen and not be caught if one does one's due diligence.

Posted by: bill-o at December 12, 2013 12:39 AM (AWwDY)

437 436 If you can change two adjacent statements, you can do anything you want
to the account -- but if one has been printed on paper and shoved in a
box, it can't be changed.

And basically this is what is done w/e-statements. They are printed then a PDF made and emailed. They look exactly like the paper statement, your source doc, because that is the original document. I think your a bit paranoid here, tampering could not happen and not be caught if one does one's due diligence.

Posted by: bill-o at December 12, 2013 04:39 AM (AWwDY)

Go ahead and believe that, if you want. You'll have a lot of company.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 01:03 AM (T1005)

438 In other news, the unemployment rate is yada-yada, the inflation rate is yada-yada, the number of people signing on to Obamacare is yada-yada, and the GDP is yada-yada.....

Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 01:07 AM (T1005)

439 Go ahead and believe that, if you want. You'll have a lot of company.

I keep my own records, if theirs do not reconcile to my documents then they have some 'splainin' to do

Posted by: bill-o at December 12, 2013 01:13 AM (AWwDY)

440 this looks like a fun read:

http://tinyurl.com/mpbr5fb

Posted by: bill-o at December 12, 2013 01:18 AM (AWwDY)

441 It's snowing hard in Jerusalem.

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 12, 2013 01:38 AM (h4eud)

442 Ha! I'm seeing a current reading of 32.1 degrees and a forecasted low of 36. Good think I was skeptical.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 12, 2013 01:55 AM (T1005)

443 It's 48F. Hardly deserving of the word cold. But still cold enough to stop me from doing some stuff outside.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 12, 2013 02:11 AM (bPxS6)

444 Posted by: sven10077 at December 12, 2013 04:31 AM (9jfyN)

And no one's really satisfied after.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 02:35 AM (LSDdO)

445 All I know is that if my paper statement (produced by them) doesn't gibe with what they have on record, then they can see that they have a problem and it's not my fault.

If you do your own accounting or record tracking then it's your data against their data.

BTW a pdf sent thru the internet is still digital.

I keep the statement AND the envelop which has a USPS frank barcode in the corner showing who, where and when sent it. Which is another form of verification of my receipt of THEIR data at that time.

I'm in a tussle with the Electric company and with out the paper statements;

1) I couldn't have figured out what they were doing

2) I might've missed what they were doing

3) I have a record to look at when hassling with Customer service (and it contains more info than what's on the E-bill)

Just sayin hard copy's the way to go when dealing with massive corporations and bureaucracy.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 02:42 AM (LSDdO)

446 Get on the stick, Vic.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 02:43 AM (LSDdO)

447 OH, wait. someone has to put up the morning thread for Vic to do his thing. Sorry Vic.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 02:50 AM (LSDdO)

448 *drums fingers on the desk*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 02:51 AM (LSDdO)

449

"And if I happen to have my iPhone with me....well then behold and fear my techo-magic all you puny twentieth century humans!!"

Except your iPhone wouldn't *do* diddlysquat, since there's no cell network, no internet, and no GPS. You would be able to .... play Angry Birds! Oooooh, impressive.......

Posted by: GWB at December 12, 2013 07:45 AM (kEVTZ)

450 Thrawn @ 24-
Good advice for GZ. He needs to un-ass Florida and hat up for Texas. He'd be welcome in ETEX in particular. I can see that guy fitting in real well here. He could be working by Friday.

Posted by: EROWMER at December 12, 2013 07:45 AM (OONaw)

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