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December 03, 2013

Overnight Open Thread (12-3-2013)
— Maetenloch

In which Michael Totten journeys to Cuba to see first-hand what it's like. Read the whole thing.

What struck me most while walking around Havana for the first time is how dead and quiet it is. This was unexpected, though in hindsight I should have known. Where has communism ever been lively?

...But Havana's establishments are not closed. There just aren't very many of them. You cannot go shopping. There's nothing to buy. If you had millions of dollars, you would not be able to spend it. The city would be horrifying if were in a cold climate with dismal architecture like much of the former Soviet Union, but it didn't strike me as horrifying. It's just static. And vaguely post-apocalyptic.

Next to the front door of one CDR office I saw the image of a faceless man wielding a sword above the words "Always in combat."
Always in combat against whom, you might ask?

The neighbors.

"The surveillance and denunciation system is so rigorous," Fontaine writes, "that family intimacy is almost nonexistent."

Family intimacy is almost nonexistent.

Aside from the slave labor camps and the staggering body counts, I can think of no more devastating an indictment of totalitarian government than that sentence. Something broke inside me when I read it.

I certainly wasn't intimate with anybody in Cuba-and I don't mean physically any more than Fontaine did. I had to lie by omission every minute of every hour of every day just like the Cubans. A person could get used to this sort of thing, I suppose, but that does not make it less alienating. That's the counterintuitive thing about totalitarian systems. They herd people into Borg-like collectives, yet every individual is savagely atomized.
I never felt so alone in my life.

Obama: Our Racist President

In which Aaron Worthing lays out the evidence that Obama is not only anti-white but is in fact racist against everyone who isn't black.

Next up we have the sermon by Reverend Wright, where he says:
"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere.That's the world! On which hope sits!"

(emphasis added.) As though the only greedy people in the world are white. But Aaron-you might protest-how do you know Obama even heard this sermon?
Well, because it was quoted in Obama's first book, "Dreams of My Father," and the title of this sermon, "The Audacity of Hope," became the title of Obama's second book. (Source.)

Lying Waitress Now Suspended

While the restaurant continues its 'investigation'. Oh and you'll shocked to find out that she has an other than honorable discharge from the Marine Corps for not attending drills.

Modern Standards

When you're George Bush and increase AIDS aid to Africa, you're reviled; when you're Hillary Clinton and you decrease AIDS aid to Africa, you get a reward from the AIDS Foundation. It's not what you do, it's whether there's an "R" or a "D" after your name.

California: Hey Let's Give Free Green Cars to the Poor

Well the rich are already getting subsidies to buy their green cars. And what's a few more billion before the music finally stops?

A new bill would up the minimum voucher to $2,500, and does not cap the upper limit for such vouchers. The CARB has even implied that it could sponsor the full purchase of an $18,000 for families of three looking to pick up a hybrid. Stanley Young, spokesman for the Air Resources Board, said that California should "make sure low-income people can also get into these clean vehicles."

When Shrugs Are Banned, Only Outlaws Will Shrug Their Shoulders

And without shrugs, rolling eyes, deep sighs and finger-pointing many teens will be rendered legally mute.

Le Shock: Male and Female Brains Are Different

But but but what about all that crap about gender just being a social construct that only people with graduate degrees believe? Oh right.

That Goat is a Goddamned Liar!!!!

A man found guilty of having sex with a goat has been jailed for ten years after facing his victim in court.
Katana Kitsao Gona, 28, last week admitted sexually abusing the animal in the Kenyan town of Malindi.
The female goat watched quietly in the corner of the court room as her attacker was jailed for bestiality

The AoSHQ group. Yeah.

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1 First!

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 06:45 PM (doBIb)

2 Yesh!

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 06:45 PM (8lmkt)

3 dammit!

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 06:45 PM (8lmkt)

First, Really?

Posted by: PMRich at December 03, 2013 06:46 PM (KDUNf)

5 Being Â“Anti-RacistÂ” DoesnÂ’t Justify Racial Harassment A Â“Professor of English and African diasporaÂ” at a Minnesota community college was recently reprimanded for pushing, in class, the idea of Â“structural racismÂ” and upsetting some White students enough that they lodged a complain for the racially directed derogatory rant. More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=4111

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 03, 2013 06:46 PM (Vk2pI)

6 Where I run in and post without reading the actual post!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 06:46 PM (oFCZn)

7 Damn slow refresh

Posted by: PMRich at December 03, 2013 06:46 PM (KDUNf)

8 Congratulations, EC. And, yes, this is a love-hate kind of comment.

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 06:47 PM (8lmkt)

9 Good thing my faith rests in the afterlife. I can almost not worry.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at December 03, 2013 06:48 PM (DoZD+)

10 I have this feeling that old threads don't go away but actually accrete to your soul like in Scientology but these old threads look like used condoms. And they smell. Bad.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 06:48 PM (oFCZn)

11 Where I run in and post without reading the actual post!

Yeah, nobody does THAT! roflmao

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 06:48 PM (8lmkt)

12 I feel so... rejected.

Posted by: black and white dot at December 03, 2013 06:48 PM (4NEdy)

NINE!

...or some such thing.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 03, 2013 06:49 PM (lq3Ak)

14 Hi y'all! How's Tuesday treating the Horde?

Posted by: tbodie at December 03, 2013 06:49 PM (izPgb)

15 Yeah, nobody does THAT! roflmao Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 10:48 PM (8lmkt) For a long time I thought it was required.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 06:49 PM (oFCZn)

16 Hola

Posted by: whatmeworry? at December 03, 2013 06:49 PM (dZGNV)

17 8 Congratulations, EC. And, yes, this is a love-hate kind of comment. Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 10:47 PM (8lmkt) Eh....I guess I've done it enough times I've become jaded. It doesn't feel the same anymore. Not like it used to. I blame obama.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 06:50 PM (doBIb)

18 ABC7NY NewsDesk ‏@ABC7NYNewsDesk 23m #BREAKINGNEWS: @NTSB has removed the @MetroNorth rail workers union from derailment investigation for violating confidentiality agreement.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 06:50 PM (DmNpO)

19 Hi y'all! How's Tuesday treating the Horde? Posted by: tbodie at December 03, 2013 10:49 PM (izPgb) It feels like Wednesday. How is that waitress only suspended????

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 06:50 PM (gferp)

20 Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World Daniel Hannan, M.E.P., recently spoke on origin and spread of the principles and values that made America great, and how those principles and values are in danger. Further: Â“Hannan argues that the ideas and institutions we consider essential to maintaining and preserving our freedoms Â— individual rights, private property, the rule of law, and the institutions of representative government Â— are the legacy of a very specific tradition that was born in England and that we Americans, along with other former British colonies, inherited.Â” More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=4144

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 03, 2013 06:51 PM (Vk2pI)

21 ABC7NY NewsDesk ‏@ABC7NYNewsDesk 23m #BREAKINGNEWS: @NTSB has removed the @MetroNorth rail workers union from derailment investigation for violating confidentiality agreement. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 10:50 PM (DmNpO) Trying to cover for the driver?

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 06:51 PM (gferp)

22 Families in CA with multiple SS #'s can get a bunch of free cars. Bet reporting one "stolen" can bring in the bucks on the Mexican black market

But it's the nice intentions from educated elites that trump math and human nature

Posted by: kbdabear at December 03, 2013 06:51 PM (aTXUx)

23 Anyone watching Hannity and the Fast and Furious crap? Unreal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 06:52 PM (lVPtV)

24 Hey Peaches! How are you?

Posted by: tbodie at December 03, 2013 06:52 PM (izPgb)

25 A "Less Than Honorable" means she is not considered a Marine. Marine and her name should never be associated again.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at December 03, 2013 06:52 PM (MhA4j)

26 Every time I think CA can't get crazier, they prove me wrong.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 06:52 PM (doBIb)

27 Howdy, y'all!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 06:53 PM (T1005)

28 Is it wrong to admit that I have the beige dial phone in my basement? It's not in use, but someday, I might be forced to use it as a weapon, and since it's heavy, I think it would work quite well.

/yep, that's called "recycling" kids!

Posted by: shibumi at December 03, 2013 06:53 PM (25HWz)

29 Did he get credit for it at least being a female goat?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 06:53 PM (4NEdy)

30 I'll make you famous (bad word):

Outlaws: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCInCCl5wq4

Just Ace and his dawgs livin' like hawgs.

Old school night!

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 06:53 PM (x3YFz)

31 The goat set me up.

Posted by: Katana Goa at December 03, 2013 06:53 PM (PIsea)

32 Slapweasel!!!! Haven't seen you in ages, my dear. How you doin'? You have a good Thanksgiving?

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 06:53 PM (8lmkt)

33 "It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere.>>

Yes because anecdotal waste is way worse than blocking GMO sweet potatoes* that can grow in the crappiest saline of soils of Africa like the left does.

*IIRC might be yams or what ever similar is called in Africa

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 06:54 PM (DUGve)

34 Hey, where's the gender- neutral restroom around this place?

Posted by: Genesis Hernandez at December 03, 2013 06:55 PM (PIsea)

35 I don't know about the rest of you racist assholes, but I simply cannot wait until I am paying for maternity care and pediatric dental. It's gonna be so awesome!!! {suck my dick, america}

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 06:55 PM (8lmkt)

36 Howdy gang. We've had about a foot of snow so far today. Plow has not come by much so I was stuck at home. And it's pig-nipple cold.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 03, 2013 06:55 PM (zDsvJ)

37 Okay, ahem, fine, but I'd rather be sucking Obama's dick.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 06:55 PM (6RwsK)

38 19 Hi y'all! How's Tuesday treating the Horde? Posted by: tbodie at December 03, 2013 10:49 PM (izPgb) It feels like Wednesday. Ok, I've maybe had a few shots of whiskey, I had to check my calender to see what day it is . :-)

Posted by: tbodie at December 03, 2013 06:55 PM (izPgb)

39 I don't know about the rest of you racist assholes, but I simply cannot wait until I am paying for maternity care and pediatric dental. It's gonna be so awesome!!! {suck my dick, america} Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 10:55 PM (8lmkt) Don't forget the pediatric vision! My vision doesn't matter, of course. *Adjusts glasses*

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 06:56 PM (gferp)

40 Hey, tbodie!!! I have to say, I love how you just jumped in and became one with the horde. I did it that way and, frankly, I recommend it. shmooshes!!!

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 06:56 PM (8lmkt)

41 See, this is the problem with the justice system. That goat should never have been put through the shame of having to face its attacker in court.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 06:57 PM (6RwsK)

42 Gawd, would it were that we could ship 52% of Americans to Cuba so they could experience Teh Won's future for America first hand.

Posted by: dogfish at December 03, 2013 06:57 PM (nsOJa)

43 The wife of Mayor-elect Bill de Blasio, Chirlane McCray, said Tuesday that she has joined with her husband in meeting and screening candidates for high-level posts in his administration. Â“IÂ’ve been with him as weÂ’ve been interviewing,Â” McCray told the Daily News. Why the fuck to democrats who win elections always think their significant others have any right to make decisions? They were not elected to shit? What's wrong with these people?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 06:57 PM (t3UFN)

44 Gawd, would it were that we could ship 52% of Americans to Cuba so they could experience Teh Won's future for America first hand. Posted by: dogfish at December 03, 2013 10:57 PM (nsOJa) Why bother? They will experience it here soon enoughÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 03, 2013 06:58 PM (Vk2pI)

45 What's wrong with these people?

You're kidding, of course . . . right?

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 06:58 PM (8lmkt)

46 I thought corded phones will still work in areas without power after a hurricane

Posted by: Moth Balls at December 03, 2013 06:59 PM (zOTsN)

So cruise ships should dump their garbage in Port-au-Prince? Ok, then. That's not a bad idea. Though, you'll probably bitch about that too.

Posted by: otho at December 03, 2013 06:59 PM (9gNQd)

48 >>>Why the fuck to democrats who win elections always think their significant others have any right to make decisions? They were not elected to shit? What's wrong with these people? ---------------------- She's a militant lesbian so she has managerial experience.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 06:59 PM (PIsea)

49 Thanks Peaches! *smooshes back* Good to see you.

Posted by: tbodie at December 03, 2013 06:59 PM (izPgb)

50 SpaceX successfully launched the SES-8 communications satellite earlier this evening. It was a perfect launch after a couple of scrubs last week. It was their first launch to geosynchronous transfer orbit. Here is the full video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqpfiWndz0Q#t=26 The first 20 minutes of the YouTube video is nothing but techno music, which is fine as far as it goes, but you might want to skip ahead. After that, it's as exciting as an unmanned satellite launch ever gets. The website NASASpaceflight.com set a record for most viewers online, which shattered the previous record set during the last Space Shuttle launch in 2011. That's pretty amazing in and of itself. I've said it before, there is nothing like a SpaceX launch.

Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2013 07:00 PM (sdi6R)

51 And it's pig-nipple cold.
What is she wearing?

Posted by: Katana Kitsao Gona at December 03, 2013 07:00 PM (4NEdy)

52 Hat, wtf are you doing with those little black question marks? Or am I the only one who sees 'em? Oh, and, xoxo. Hope you are well and happy.

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 07:00 PM (8lmkt)

53 Just who is the prince at that port?

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 07:00 PM (6RwsK)

54 Walmart Â— 1 Billion Page Views On Cyber Monday, Healthcare.gov Dies Under 50k Weasel Zippers: and they beat us in elections?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 07:00 PM (t3UFN)

55 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 10:57 PM (t3UFN) Mrs. Tom DeLay was notorious for that.

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:01 PM (gferp)

56 41 See, this is the problem with the justice system. That goat should never have been put through the shame of having to face its attacker in court.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 10:57 PM (6RwsK)

more than likely, the goat never saw his face. On minute he's doing goat things, next minute... therapy.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:01 PM (x3YFz)

"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a
day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere.>>

The primary industry in Haiti is Christian Missions. Go to the Miami airport any day of the week and you can watch multiple planes per day shuttle to/from PAP. The first thing you will quickly notice is that approximately half of the passengers on most of these planes are on missions trips. (Easily spotted by the matching t-shirts for each group.) The second thing you will notice is that it is exceedingly rare to see a non-white member in any of these missions groups.

Posted by: PMRich at December 03, 2013 07:01 PM (KDUNf)

58 What's wrong with these people? You're kidding, of course . . . right? Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 10:58 PM (8lmkt) yeah rhetorical

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 07:01 PM (t3UFN)

59 34 Hey, where's the gender- neutral restroom around this place?

Posted by: Genesis Hernandez at December 03, 2013 10:55 PM (PIsea)

To the right of the wet bar.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 07:01 PM (lVPtV)

60 "CARB has even implied that it could sponsor the full purchase of an $18,000 for families of three looking to pick up a hybrid."

And for some crazy reason the price of that car will not actually decrease but increase, again for some crazy reason.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 03, 2013 07:01 PM (WdbF7)

61 I went shopping at Walmart today and bought a 14 lb turkey for 50 cents per lb.

Since we had ham on Thanksgiving, I am roasting the bird tomorrow. It's soaking in brine now.

So. Tuesday is shaping up to look pretty good.

Plus I skipped listening to the Psychopath-in-chief so by blood pressure is probably just fine.

Regarding Obamacide, there's only 20 more insurance shopping days (Dec 23 deadline) for coverage beginning January 1. There is no fucking way the "backend" of the system will be working by then.

Posted by: Jimbo at December 03, 2013 07:01 PM (V70Uh)

62 Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2013 11:00 PM (sdi6R) Did they ever find anything wrong after the two scrubs the other day?

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:01 PM (gferp)

63 "43 Why the fuck to democrats who win elections always think their significant others have any right to make decisions? They were not elected to shit? What's wrong with these people?" I would say "Royal Prerogative" but I think a King would not generally include the Queen in matters of state either.

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 07:02 PM (zeV2E)

64 I thought corded phones will still work in areas without power after a hurricane

Posted by: Moth Balls at December 03, 2013 10:59 PM (zOTsN)

I know from personal experience that they work after semi-epic earthquakes. The juice comes through the phone line. Sadly, who the fuck has an actual landline anymore? Mine comes through the cable modem and will be fully useless in any type of an OMG situation.

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 07:02 PM (8lmkt)

65 I remember coming here years ago and jumping in quickly. I thought the rectal probe and the 500 question exam I had to take was a wee bit excessive. Wait...no one else had to go through that?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 07:02 PM (oFCZn)

66 I found this during a Google search for something completely unrelated:
http://tinyurl.com/kaz82nn
101 Everyday Ways for Men to Be Allies to Women
Basically, be really, really liberal. Some of them are OK (and more along the lines of "being a gentleman), some are really dumb and some are just head-smackingly dumb.

Here's a small taste, but I can't begin to adequately sum up the irritating, hyper-liberal male-feminist tone:
3. Recognize that your male privilege (among other privileges) may in fact blind you to othersÂ’ experiences.
18. Be pro-choice.
21. Read websites like Feministing, Colorlines, Jezebel, etc. for your news sources.
Notice AOSHQ isn't listed.

23. Acknowledge the lived experiences of women and LGBT-identified people.
As a male ally, you should never assume or speak on behalf of women and the LGBT community. Your job is to listen and to acknowledge what members of these groups are telling you about their lives. Being an ally to one community carries the responsibility to be an ally towards other communities like the LGBT community.
24. Support same-sex marriage. Given.
28. Journal daily and reflect on your behaviors, thoughts, ideas, etc.
39. Redefine your masculinity in a pro-feminist way.
48. Men arenÂ’t the only ones who have orgasms. Remember that!!!

Oh, now he's just making shit up!
It gets even crazier towards the end. I read it in the voice of the prissy, hippie teacher from King of the Hill

Posted by: FART at December 03, 2013 07:02 PM (i14bS)

67 OK, I'm out tomorrow night, mi amigos

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 03, 2013 07:02 PM (JMmQ9)

68 Why bother? They will experience it here soon enoughÂ…

Not soon enough before I die in the miserable heap that will be the US.

Posted by: dogfish at December 03, 2013 07:03 PM (nsOJa)

69 Hat, wtf are you doing with those little black question marks? Or am I the only one who sees 'em? Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 11:00 PM (8lmkt) Where???

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 03, 2013 07:03 PM (Vk2pI)

70 It's soaking in brine now. Posted by: Jimbo at December 03, 2013 11:01 PM (V70Uh) Just had a brine-soaked bird on Thanksgiving. Tender and juicy. Still haven't had a deep-fried bird, though.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 07:03 PM (6RwsK)

71 On minute he's doing goat things, next minute... therapy.
That is a lie!!! It was a "she"!!! Do you think I'm some type of perv?

Posted by: Katana Kitsao Gona at December 03, 2013 07:03 PM (4NEdy)

72 46 I thought corded phones will still work in areas without power after a hurricane

Posted by: Moth Balls at December 03, 2013 10:59 PM (zOTsN)

Corded phones will work for houses without power, but not areas without power.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 07:03 PM (T1005)

73 My friends, you have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at December 03, 2013 07:03 PM (Pr6hk)

74 "It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere.That's the world! On which hope sits!"

The damn greedy white folks who raised a certain Barry Obama while his non white daddy skipped town.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 03, 2013 07:03 PM (JivuR)

75 I would say "Royal Prerogative" but I think a King would not generally include the Queen in matters of state either. Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 11:02 PM (zeV2E) --Queen Isabella being probably *the* exception that proves the rule.

Posted by: logprof in lazy Christmas setting at December 03, 2013 07:03 PM (fETNt)

76 Protip: Women consider it a turn-off if you wear your socks during sex. http://tinyurl.com/kwzb32u

Posted by: Thrawn at December 03, 2013 07:04 PM (ZyqBH)

77 Where???

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 03, 2013 11:03 PM (Vk2pI)

Okay, fine, I'm special. sigh

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 07:04 PM (8lmkt)

78 Anyone watching Hannity and the Fast and Furious crap? Unreal.

Yeah! Like, Paul's Porsche was like, going unreal fast when he crashed!

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese, LIV at December 03, 2013 07:04 PM (wgzFF)

79 58 What's wrong with these people?

You're kidding, of course . . . right?
Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 10:58 PM (8lmkt)

yeah rhetorical

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 11:01 PM (t3UFN)

Oh...it's a simple answer: they're stupid or willfully ignorant.

I gravitate toward the former.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:04 PM (x3YFz)

80 How is John Scalzi explained by brains? Don't get the joke. Do only dudes like his stuff? Or only chicks?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 03, 2013 07:04 PM (ZPrif)

81 Son walked in tonight from work, looked briefly at Fox News, and said he hates this country. I talked him down, and convinced him to just hate the assholes who voted for Barry.

Christmas at husband's idiot sister's house (Life Coach) will be interesting this year.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 07:04 PM (lVPtV)

82 Wait...no one else had to go through that? Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 11:02 PM (oFCZn) I just figured you had to hit rock bottom and drown in tears of boredom over at HA before you came over here.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 07:05 PM (6RwsK)

83 SpaceX needs to get their audio fixed and get a narrative voice in these things. Git hype the shit a bit.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:05 PM (cLM8I)

84 #BREAKINGNEWS: @NTSB has removed the @MetroNorth rail workers union from derailment investigation for violating confidentiality agreement. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

NTSB actually has balls

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:06 PM (cLM8I)

85 62 Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2013 11:00 PM (sdi6R) Did they ever find anything wrong after the two scrubs the other day? Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 11:01 PM (gferp) Listen to the video I linked. The narrator explains all that.

Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2013 07:06 PM (sdi6R)

86 Another pro-tip:

400 F.

A 14 lb bird will be done in about 2 1/2 hours. (you tent the breast with foil for the first hour)

Posted by: Jimbo at December 03, 2013 07:06 PM (V70Uh)

87 If cruise ships didn't exist, Haiti wouldn't be any less of a shithole.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2013 07:06 PM (P24qO)

88 That goat was dressed very provocatively, and gave him the come hither look.

CA just can't wait to blow themselves up, can they? Free cars...sheesh. What next -- free iPads for every schoolkid?

Oh wait. And yes, it's going exactly as well as a sane person might predict.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 07:06 PM (wNF3N)

89 Trying to cover for the driver? *** That would be my guess.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 07:07 PM (DmNpO)

90 Dr. K killing it on Bill O.

Jeebus. Awesome.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 07:07 PM (lVPtV)

91 Son walked in tonight from work, looked briefly at Fox News, and said he hates this country.

Ah, shit, Jane . . . I'm glad you talked him down, but it's getting harder and harder to go that route. God bless, my friend.

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 07:07 PM (8lmkt)

92 Christmas at husband's idiot sister's house (Life Coach) will be interesting this year. Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 11:04 PM (lVPtV) Still need suggestions for a gift for the 3rd hubby who she's had committed to the psych ward? (See previous thread for reference.)

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:07 PM (gferp)

93 I hope that we are all chipping in to pay for that goat's contraception.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 07:07 PM (DFUVL)

94 65 I remember coming here years ago and jumping in quickly. I thought the rectal probe and the 500 question exam I had to take was a wee bit excessive. Wait...no one else had to go through that? Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 11:02 PM (oFCZn) Hahahaha!

Posted by: tbodie at December 03, 2013 07:07 PM (izPgb)

95 Can I please, please be the guy in the pic with the tan phone? Real awesomeness sauce...... And the furniture'nshit ain't bad neither....stupid "smart" phones have to wreck everyfing.....

Posted by: enzo at December 03, 2013 07:07 PM (Z6Lyt)

96 I know from personal experience that they work after semi-epic earthquakes. The juice comes through the phone line. Sadly, who the fuck has an actual landline anymore? Mine comes through the cable modem and will be fully useless in any type of an OMG situation.

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 11:02 PM

Yo. Old style landline here. It's for the mobile phone. By which I mean an old phone on a 25 m lead. Don't trust those new fangled "cordless" phones. They can be posessed by ghosts.

Posted by: otho at December 03, 2013 07:07 PM (9gNQd)

97 SWEDEN - A man serving a one-month sentence for an unspecified crime, busted out of the minimum security Ã–stragÃ¥rd facility in the municipality of Vanersborg in south-western Sweden...because of a toothache. The 51-year-old jailbird told the Dagens Nyheter newspaper, "my whole face was swollen. I just couldn't stand it any more." He reportedly asked for medical care for the pain but was denied and that's when he hatched the plan for the bold escape. He busted out and headed to the nearest dentist who extracted the inflamed tooth. The man then turned himself into police who took him back to prison. Upon his return, the man was given a warning and his sentence was extended by one day. ??? Hum?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 07:08 PM (t3UFN)

98 NTSB actually has balls
Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 11:06 PM (cLM8I)

And the NLRB is totally JV dude.

Posted by: Mætenloch at December 03, 2013 07:08 PM (pAlYe)

99 I had deep-fried turkey at work once. Just wonderful.

Right outside the cafeteria is a patio. Perfect for setting up the deep-fryers.

Posted by: Jimbo at December 03, 2013 07:08 PM (V70Uh)

100 NyQuil with a bourbon chaser, Allegra and a humidifier going full bore. Could someone please relieve me of these allergies. Don't you dare recommend boar ky cate either that just might push me over the edge.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 03, 2013 07:08 PM (KuZ6A)

101 http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/192966-gmos-in-kenya-facts-at-a-glance/

Not the perfect article to prove my point on Genetically Modified Organisms and the push to cure "cancer" while causing starvation but I'm done looking and you can still see how evil these bastards are.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 07:09 PM (DUGve)

102

I had a great Thanksgiving, Peaches! Brother cooked spectacularly. Everyone is well.

Just put the finishing touches on my Christmas lights. No pictures yet.

...tired.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 03, 2013 07:09 PM (lq3Ak)

103 FART, alliances suck

Posted by: Italians, 1940's at December 03, 2013 07:09 PM (cLM8I)

104 Still need suggestions for a gift for the 3rd hubby who she's had committed to the psych ward?

(See previous thread for reference.)

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 11:07 PM (gferp)

OMG, Vendette, I was also kinda sorry to see that one go in the crapper. It's actually worth an entire thread, because I know the horde would step up.

Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 07:09 PM (8lmkt)

105 Stop calling Morales "former Marine." Marines have integrity. She never did. She briefly slimed through POGland on political correctness and bureaucracy. Big whoop. The title isn't given, and contrary to the poster it's not "earned" either. You're never done earning it. It's a revocable license, if you maintain it, on behalf of the gun club. One look at her and I can tell you she never was in a condition to maintain it. Never was, never will be. Not a Marine at any time regardless of if she stole the uniform briefly. Fucking disgusting.

Posted by: 0302 at December 03, 2013 07:09 PM (R8X6T)

106 Where the heck is NCJ? I have a link for him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 07:09 PM (DmNpO)

107 --Queen Isabella being probably *the* exception that proves the rule. Posted by: logprof in lazy Christmas setting at December 03, 2013 11:03 PM (fETNt) She was the Queen of Castile, while Ferdinand was King of Aragon. Governing together was kind of a given due to the situation.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 03, 2013 07:10 PM (Vk2pI)

108 I've promised many friends over the years I'll write a tell-all about my marriage to a sweet man with crazy assed siblings/family.

No one would believe it as real. But it would totally be.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 07:10 PM (lVPtV)

109 NyQuil with a bourbon chaser, Allegra and a humidifier going full bore. Could someone please relieve me of these allergies. Don't you dare recommend boar ky cate either that just might push me over the edge. Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 03, 2013 11:08 PM (KuZ6A) What's going on? Perpetually runny nose or something else?

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:10 PM (gferp)

110 >>>65 I remember coming here years ago and jumping in quickly. I thought the rectal probe and the 500 question exam I had to take was a wee bit excessive. ----------------- The exam is mandatory but the rectal probe was just for laughs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 07:10 PM (PIsea)

111 Christmas at husband's idiot sister's house (Life Coach) will be interesting this year.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 11:04 PM (lVPtV)

Met a "life coach" (I can't actually type that without laughing...so give me a second).

*long pause*

went on a double date with me and the wife to hook up an absolutely gorgeous girl she knew from work. And this assclown (life coach) shows up sporting, you guessed it!, A life-coach bracelet, fully equipped with crystals and healing titanium.

My eyes hurt from rolling. Good news is it didn't work out and he couldn't golf for shit. I can't golf for shit either, but at least I don't have a bracelet.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:11 PM (x3YFz)

112 Perhaps this should be saved for the gun thread.

The Imperial War Museum is going to put on display J.R.R. Tolkein's Webley service revolver. From when he served in 1916. .455 calibre. Some of the comments are so 'precious.'

http://tinyurl.com/kz62lgy

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 07:11 PM (66xMn)

113 103 FART, alliances suck Posted by: Italians, 1940's at December 03, 2013 11:09 PM (cLM8I) --I must quote Churchill again: "Since we had the Italians as allies in the last war, it's only fair that the German have them as allies in this one."

Posted by: logprof at December 03, 2013 07:12 PM (fETNt)

114 Gift suggestions for former senior partner with major law firm in Atlanta sent to psych ward by second wife:

????

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 07:12 PM (lVPtV)

115 What the hell is a life coach? Is that an actual thing> What do they do?

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 07:12 PM (zeV2E)

116 That man is berry baaaaaad! I now feel sheepish! /the goat

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 07:12 PM (N/Sup)

117 Still need suggestions for a gift for the 3rd hubby who she's had committed to the psych ward?>>

A "The Scream" Pillow.

http://www.amazon.com/CafePress-The-Scream-Throw-Pillow/dp/B009S6KCV4

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 07:13 PM (DUGve)

118 Still need suggestions for a gift for the 3rd hubby who she's had committed to the psych ward? (See previous thread for reference.) Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 11:07 PM (gferp) OMG, Vendette, I was also kinda sorry to see that one go in the crapper. It's actually worth an entire thread, because I know the horde would step up. Posted by: Peaches at December 03, 2013 11:09 PM (8lmkt) Step, up, people! She needs to get this poor guy a Christmas present!

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:13 PM (gferp)

119 Jane! Maybe taking your son to the libtards party would not be a good idea. Especially right now. Not sure he needs any more aggravation.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:13 PM (doBIb)

120 #99: I had deep-fried turkey for the first time last Friday. I agree; it is wonderful.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 07:13 PM (RGQmh)

121 went on a double date with me and the wife to hook up an absolutely gorgeous girl she knew from work. And this assclown (life coach) shows up sporting, you guessed it!, A life-coach bracelet, fully equipped with crystals and healing titanium. My eyes hurt from rolling. Good news is it didn't work out and he couldn't golf for shit. I can't golf for shit either, but at least I don't have a bracelet. Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 11:11 PM (x3YFz) --Heh, reminds me of "Date Night Michael" from The Office.

Posted by: logprof at December 03, 2013 07:13 PM (fETNt)

122 Damn auto correct or maybe the bourbon should be Barky care.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 03, 2013 07:13 PM (KuZ6A)

123 72 46 Landline phones are powered by big-ass banks of batteries housed by the telcos. They work independently of external power sources. When SHTF, calls can be made to another landline.

Posted by: NCwoof at December 03, 2013 07:13 PM (aUQgu)

124 What the hell is a life coach? Is that an actual thing> What do they do? Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 11:12 PM (zeV2E) they help you with that wallet that is way too heavy, by making it lighter

Posted by: MT at December 03, 2013 07:14 PM (SXDDj)

125 You can claim that you sent him a present and because he is crazy, he has no memory of it.

Posted by: Jimbo at December 03, 2013 07:14 PM (V70Uh)

126 >>>114 Gift suggestions for former senior partner with major law firm in Atlanta sent to psych ward by second wife: -------------------- A Learned Hand bobblehead with no sharp edges.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 07:14 PM (PIsea)

127 115 What the hell is a life coach? Is that an actual thing> What do they do?

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 11:12 PM (zeV2E)

Apparently, I am not the only person who thought "life coach" was a euphemism for dipshit

Posted by: PMRich at December 03, 2013 07:14 PM (KDUNf)

128 112 Perhaps this should be saved for the gun thread. The Imperial War Museum is going to put on display J.R.R. Tolkein's Webley service revolver. From when he served in 1916. .455 calibre. Some of the comments are so 'precious.' http://tinyurl.com/kz62lgy The Revolver of Power has been found!

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:15 PM (doBIb)

129 I had a titanium alloy "heal" a particularly troublesome fastening problem we had on LOSAT

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:15 PM (cLM8I)

130 115 What the hell is a life coach? Is that an actual thing> What do they do?

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 11:12 PM (zeV2E)

They make money off of people dumber than they are. For doing nothing. Which, granted, is a good gig if you can get it. See: Obama.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:15 PM (x3YFz)

131

Didn't David Hasselhoff do a tv show about life coaches?

Posted by: otho at December 03, 2013 07:15 PM (9gNQd)

132 119 Jane!

Maybe taking your son to the libtards party would not be a good idea. Especially right now. Not sure he needs any more aggravation.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 11:13 PM (doBIb)

Oh, no. He calls them "The Family" thanks to his dad. He's forgotten I even have family. So, he'll go and endure all their shit, because Dad's FAMILY.

Makes me vomit blood.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 07:15 PM (lVPtV)

133 Gift suggestions for former senior partner with major law firm in Atlanta sent to psych ward by second wife: *** Signed and framed portrait of Ruth Bader Ginsburg? (Nude)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 07:16 PM (kGnjS)

134 Re sex with goat guy. Didn't Arnold Schwartzeneger have sex with a nanny?

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 03, 2013 07:16 PM (BLAfs)

135 EC, I was skimming thru ol'JRRs biography as the kids were going down. DI want an old Tolkein piano - "fit for adverse climates".

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:16 PM (cLM8I)

136 He reportedly asked for medical care for the pain but was denied and that's when he hatched the plan for the bold escape. He busted out and headed to the nearest dentist who extracted the inflamed tooth.

I hope they gave him a sedagive.

Posted by: Igor at December 03, 2013 07:17 PM (wgzFF)

137 114 Gift suggestions for former senior partner with major law firm in Atlanta sent to psych ward by second wife: ???? An iPod that plays voices at a really low volume every 15 minutes.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:17 PM (doBIb)

138 Signed and framed portrait of Ruth Bader Ginsburg? (Nude) Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 11:16 PM (kGnjS) Hate to say it, but I thought of this: http://supremecourtgifts.org/ornaments.aspx

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:17 PM (gferp)

139 the only titanium I'm aware of is in the core of 10,000 of rounds my 5.56mm.

Which I lost in an unfortunate boating incident.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:18 PM (x3YFz)

140 Life coach isn't that the non licensed con man that substitutes for the licensed con man called a psychoanalyst.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 03, 2013 07:18 PM (KuZ6A)

141 "133 Gift suggestions for former senior partner with major law firm in Atlanta sent to psych ward by second wife:" Delicious Lead, Mercury, and Arsenic. It's not like it can make him crazier.

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 07:18 PM (zeV2E)

142 iPod with Obama's speeches

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:18 PM (cLM8I)

143 Gifts for sil 3rd husband: Bourbon and a bottle of NyQuil.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 03, 2013 07:19 PM (KuZ6A)

144 Delicious Lead, Mercury, and Arsenic. It's not like it can make him crazier. Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 11:18 PM (zeV2E) Mercury! Sweetest of the transition metals!

Posted by: Whale from SeaLab 2021 at December 03, 2013 07:19 PM (Vk2pI)

145 Ok, without going into it too much, why did the man get sent to the psych ward?

Posted by: Justamom at December 03, 2013 07:20 PM (Sptt8)

146 That article about Cuba is terrific. I don't suppose Sean Penn has really seen Cuba in the same light.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 07:20 PM (DmNpO)

147 Gift suggestions for former senior partner with major law firm in Atlanta sent to psych ward by second wife *** A cuckoo clock?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 07:20 PM (EVoaG)

148 the only titanium I'm aware of is in the core of 10,000 of rounds my 5.56mm.>>

My first thought was the flechettes from cluster bombs.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 07:20 PM (DUGve)

149 140 Life coach isn't that the non licensed con man that substitutes for the licensed con man called a psychoanalyst.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 03, 2013 11:18 PM (KuZ6A)

Except the psychoanalyst has an office.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:21 PM (x3YFz)

150 So I just finished a scrapple sandwich for my late night snack. Sounds gross, but it was pretty damn good. Fried egg, cheese, and crisssssspy scrapple on toast. Mmm. And, good evening, horde.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 03, 2013 07:21 PM (4XFNL)

151 Re sex with goat guy. Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger have sex with a nanny?
Some like it gruff.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 07:21 PM (4NEdy)

152 The Imperial War Museum is going to put on display J.R.R. Tolkein's Webley service revolver. From when he served in 1916. .455 calibre. Some of the comments are so 'precious.' http://tinyurl.com/kz62lgy Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 11:11 PM (66xMn) --Does Legolas have a version that shoots five bullets at once?

Posted by: logprof at December 03, 2013 07:21 PM (fETNt)

153 You can get chunks of gallium from amazon to impress the kids (for a little while, mine now want me to score some cesium at work so we can make it combust violently)

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:21 PM (cLM8I)

154 I will see you your life coach and raise you a life health coach. My ex-husband's new wife is one.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 07:22 PM (RZ8pf)

155 My first thought was the flechettes from cluster bombs.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 11:20 PM (DUGve)

Ahhh... the good ole' days

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:22 PM (x3YFz)

156 Rubik' s cube with like six extra blue squares?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 07:22 PM (hNdVM)

157 I will see you your life coach and raise you a life health coach. My ex-husband's new wife is one. Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 11:22 PM (RZ8pf) Please explain.

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:22 PM (gferp)

158 My wedding ring is titanium. Two reasons why: I was young and poor when I married my wife, so I chose the titanium ring because it was very cheap and spent the money on a very pimp ring for her instead. And, titanium is the hardest metal, near indestructible, much like my love for her.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:22 PM (doBIb)

159 shredded ch, the korean bodega/lunch counter at my office does a nice one with the sweet-hot korean chili ketchup.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:23 PM (cLM8I)

160 Tangonine how do I remember everything when I'm this sick, and yet feeling so gooood!

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 03, 2013 07:23 PM (KuZ6A)

161 Good evenin' y'all - Been away for the feasting. A week off does a body good. Given dear leader's monologue today, In light of the disaster of all things Obamacare, I'm thinking we might be living the Captain Queeg strawberry incident by late Spring. What thinks you?

Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 03, 2013 07:23 PM (5Q1ZU)

162 John Sclazi is Bantha Podo on top of being a flaming socialist.

*clambers atop soapbox*

He took one of the classics of science fiction about humans struggling to do the right thing about first contact with an intelligent alien species that happens to be small, cute, aboriginal, and fuzzy and turned into yet another stupid courtroom drama that happens to be on another planet.

*hops of soapbox*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 07:23 PM (66xMn)

163 The disappearing spoon! That reminds me I wanted to get one of those kits.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 07:23 PM (RZ8pf)

164 154 I will see you your life coach and raise you a life health coach. My ex-husband's new wife is one.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 11:22 PM (RZ8pf)

kidding.... please say you're kidding.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:24 PM (x3YFz)

165 My ex-husband's new wife is one. Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 11:22 PM (RZ8pf) she hot?

Posted by: MT at December 03, 2013 07:24 PM (SXDDj)

166 Last year I read the memoir of a girl who grew up in the Czech Republic and without putting into words, it was clear from her childhood that family intimacy was almost nonexistent, even among immediate family, and definitely among extended family. After the collapse of communism she went to the US and married an American. When she took him home to meet her parents she wanted to have a family reunion with her extended family, but nobody in the Czech Republic knew what that was. The intentional destruction of the family is one of the great evils of communism.

Posted by: biancaneve at December 03, 2013 07:24 PM (2sR50)

167 Might there be some (safe) inexpensive hobby material you could buy for him?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 07:25 PM (4NEdy)

168 Some like it gruff. Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2013 11:21 PM (4NEdy) *** Hey! Butt out!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 07:25 PM (hNdVM)

169 162 John Sclazi is Bantha Podo on top of being a flaming socialist. *clambers atop soapbox* He took one of the classics of science fiction about humans struggling to do the right thing about first contact with an intelligent alien species that happens to be small, cute, aboriginal, and fuzzy and turned into yet another stupid courtroom drama that happens to be on another planet. *hops of soapbox* Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 11:23 PM (66xMn) I enjoyed old mans war, but the sequels were stupid libtard crap.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:25 PM (doBIb)

170 88 That goat was dressed very provocatively, and gave him the come hither look. Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 11:06 PM (wNF3N) So the goat was asking for it?

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 07:25 PM (6RwsK)

171 Vendette, not only does she meddle with your life and career goals but she also advises you on diet and exercise. It involves lots of juicing and expensive skin care pyramid schemes best I can tell.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 07:26 PM (RZ8pf)

172 So the goat was asking for it?

when do they not, those vixens?

Posted by: Achmed the terrorist at December 03, 2013 07:26 PM (8lmkt)

173 #113: I read somewhere (Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism, I think) that Mussolini really didn't want to join the Axis; he wanted to be with the Allies because he loved America. He only joined the Axis because Hitler blitzkrieged and vichied his ass.

The people of Italy didn't like the choice he'd made any more than he did, and that's why he found himself swinging from a lamppost at the end of the war. On the upside, his brand of fascism was thoroughly discredited there in the process.

On the downside, some of his ideas survived. For example, he talked about how his ideas were a "third way", between the extremes of socialism and capitalism. If you've ever heard a full-on leftist claim to be a middle-of-the-road moderate, I'm pretty sure that claim originated with Mussolini.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 07:27 PM (RGQmh)

174 160 Tangonine how do I remember everything when I'm this sick, and yet feeling so gooood!

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 03, 2013 11:23 PM (KuZ6A)

It's a dream!

or not.

Shit.

who cares at this point?

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:27 PM (x3YFz)

175 Gift forr the man in the psychiatric institution "The Dark Night of the Soul" by Gerald May-a Psychiatrist explores the connection between darkness and spiritual growth. Very good book.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 03, 2013 07:27 PM (BC6cY)

176 Hey! Butt out! Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
Don't look at me. You're the horny one.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 07:28 PM (4NEdy)

177 Good evening Horde, I hope you're all having a lovely day. Mine was better than yesterday, by a long shot. 163 The disappearing spoon! That reminds me I wanted to get one of those kits. Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 11:23 PM (RZ8pf) --- That book is on my Amazon wish list. I have another by the same author (The Violinist's Thumb). Apparently he is a moron.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 07:28 PM (N/cFh)

178 the korean bodega/lunch counter at my office does a nice one with the sweet-hot korean chili ketchup. Dammit, Jean. I thought I just made up a new moneymaker (because I'm broke and out of groceries right now)! And now I know what was missing. I even have sriracha on the fridge door, too.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 03, 2013 07:28 PM (4XFNL)

179 Well I found RedShirts mildly amusing, well more then StarGate universe,
winning the future were they thinking with that show,

Posted by: jeffrey pelt at December 03, 2013 07:29 PM (Jsiw/)

180 About ready to crash, here.

My s-i-l is now "retired" thanks to her very wealthy retired attorney husband (that she sent off to a psychiatric hospital in Boston).

Even my husband is convinced that his b-i-l wasn't smart enough to get a pre-nup before he married my husband's shark-like sister looking to marry a wealthy man. And ugly. Like her.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 07:29 PM (lVPtV)

181 Vendette, not only does she meddle with your life and career goals but she also advises you on diet and exercise. It involves lots of juicing and expensive skin care pyramid schemes best I can tell. Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 11:26 PM (RZ8pf) So she meddles in pretty much everything. Sigh.

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:29 PM (gferp)

182
   Might be time to mention that despite the coating of slime
that which our country was founded on still endures.

   And it always will.

     Even if what we know as America seems to disappear, generations from now,it will rise again. You cannot hide or suppress the idea forever.

    As Americans--not just people living here--we MUST NOT forget that.

     NEVER be ashamed of your country--the shame falls on those who would harm her.

      So you must, as best you can,in whatever way, fight for her survival.

     Y'all can laugh at me if you wish but this is how I feel and that won't change one iota.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 03, 2013 07:29 PM (SAMxH)

183 The intentional destruction of the family is one of the great evils of communism.>>

IIRC there was some email from Obama's minions about how to piss off your family with Obamacare. Coincidence?

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 07:29 PM (DUGve)

184 I was in a place on Vancouver Island Goats on the Roof. (It had a grass roof and goats.) I don't know if the goats do a little hooking on the side.

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 03, 2013 07:29 PM (BLAfs)

185 Good evening Horde, I hope you're all having a lovely day. Mine was better than yesterday, by a long shot. You beat his ass with a pry bar? The feeler-upper?

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:29 PM (doBIb)

186 logprof, have I mentioned I now immediately ignore any movie or TV show that repeats any of the arrow tricks that Legolas does in the movie.

EC and that fooking idiot is in charge of Science Fiction Writers of America.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 07:29 PM (66xMn)

187 Warberler, Im not sure the Germans wanted him as an ally either.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:29 PM (cLM8I)

188 For the life coach's 3rd husband -- journaling stuff.

Posted by: sinmi at December 03, 2013 07:30 PM (M+jLM)

189 Remember once how I said I admired the Chinese government? Because they could just make decisions and not worry about opposition? Well, I'm over that. Now I admire post-revolutionary Cuba. Now those were leaders! Che especially, since when the bourgeoisie gave him some crap he could just line them up against a wall and shoot them. Or order the cops to do it for him, and if the cops objected he'd order them killed too! Now that's fundamental change.

Posted by: President For Life Obama at December 03, 2013 07:30 PM (qCtp4)

190 Y'all can laugh at me if you wish but this is how I feel and that won't change one iota. Posted by: irongrampa at December 03, 2013 11:29 PM (SAMxH) We survived FDR, we can survive this butthead.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 07:30 PM (6RwsK)

191 >>Re sex with goat guy. Didn't Arnold Schwartzeneger have sex with a nanny? Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe Yeah, but this guy got the better looking one.

Posted by: Aviator at December 03, 2013 07:30 PM (DI+ja)

192 Good night, Jane! I hope you sleep well!

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:30 PM (gferp)

193 >>>176 Gift forr the man in the psychiatric institution "The Dark Night of the Soul" by Gerald May-a Psychiatrist explores the connection between darkness and spirit ---------------- Well, it's no Learned Hand bobblehead, but a book's okay I guess.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 07:30 PM (PIsea)

194 About ready to crash, here.
Too late.

Posted by: zombie paul walker at December 03, 2013 07:30 PM (4NEdy)

195 182 Vendette, not only does she meddle with your life and career goals but she also advises you on diet and exercise. It involves lots of juicing and expensive skin care pyramid schemes best I can tell.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 11:26 PM (RZ8pf)

So she meddles in pretty much everything. Sigh.

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 11:29 PM (gferp)

How the hell did my ex-wife find you!?

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:31 PM (x3YFz)

196 I'm off! Melatonin, take me away.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 07:31 PM (lVPtV)

197 186 Good evening Horde, I hope you're all having a lovely day. Mine was better than yesterday, by a long shot. You beat his ass with a pry bar? The feeler-upper? Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 11:29 PM (doBIb) --- No. Had pizza and went to trivia night. No beating anyone with anything (including the other teams).

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 07:31 PM (N/cFh)

198 EC and that fooking idiot is in charge of Science Fiction Writers of America. Best advice is to ignore his dumb ass.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:31 PM (doBIb)

199 ♫ ♪ I'm lurrrrking on the thread I'm lurrrrking on the thread So virrrrtual'y I'm dead 'cause I'm lurrrrking on the thread ♫ ♪ But nowwww that I have said I'm lurrrrking on the thread Not lurrrrking Should be worrrrking toward my bed. ♥ No charge.

Posted by: mindful 'lurking on the thread' webworker at December 03, 2013 07:31 PM (U13jb)

200 Well that jibes with my life experience. Goats are the first to cry date rape.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 07:31 PM (6RwsK)

201 They told me goats will eat anything!

Posted by: Katana Kitsao Gona at December 03, 2013 07:32 PM (6fSty)

202 "174 #113: I read somewhere (Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism, I think) that Mussolini really didn't want to join the Axis; he wanted to be with the Allies because he loved America. He only joined the Axis because Hitler blitzkrieged and vichied his ass." That's not true. Germany did not want Italy in the war due to its lack of preparation and stunning waste of resources in Ethiopia and Spain. Italy was more useful for Germany as a gray market for strategic goods. For instance, Germany could not get oil from the US after September 1939 but Italy still could. Mussolini joined because he thought the war was almost over and Britain was about to collapse. Basically he wanted a seat at the big boy table. I'm sure there's a contemporary metaphor about the Obama administration somewhere.

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 07:32 PM (zeV2E)

203 Don't google "goat sex". Just a bit of advice.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:33 PM (doBIb)

204 We survived FDR, we can survive this butthead.

Yeah, who do we get to nuke in 2016?

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:33 PM (cLM8I)

205 Even if what we know as America seems to disappear, generations from now,it will rise again. You cannot hide or suppress the idea forever. *** Earlier today that exact sentiment was rattling around in my head for some reason. Guess it's up to us grandpas (& grandmas) to plant and water that seed in the young uns.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 07:33 PM (8XYBC)

206 Gingy my son and I both really enjoyed the Disappearing Spoon. He was having trouble falling falling asleep one night and I said I would read him some of the book I was reading to put him to sleep and it was the disappearing spoon and after I read him a few pages he said it was way to interesting and he would never fall asleep if I kept reading it because it was so good.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 03, 2013 07:34 PM (RZ8pf)

207 Happy note: Those that know me know I teach.

So we're doing Relativity (special, not general... general is for... shit.. no one) and I toss out R2D2 into the class. Student catches it.

I say, "you're the keeper of R2 until finals. It's important."

Now, it's not important, I just made it up. But holy crap on a cracker... whole class FOCUSES.

Teaching 101 baby. I've got this.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:36 PM (x3YFz)

208 Landlines will sometimes still work when the power is out, if the problem isn't because some power line poles fell down. Because the phone lines runs alongside the power lines in many cases. It's the same with cable.

But you will still need a passive receiver that uses only the 5VDC carried by the landline.

I dumped my landline 5 years ago or so; what's weird is people that have never had a landline. Those people can get the fuck off of my lawn.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 07:36 PM (wNF3N)

209 How did Italy's invasion of defeated Vichy France go?

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:36 PM (cLM8I)

210 #178: Hey, Gingy! I hope Weirddave didn't mind me hitting on you the way I did the other night (He's your husband, right? He addressed a comment at me that seemed to indicate this). I didn't mean anything by it; I just think it's fun to throw cheesy pick-up lines at the Moronettes. If I find out one's married, that tends to put a stop to it.

Also, actually meeting the Moronette in question, even if she's single, tends to put a stop to it, as she becomes more "real" to me and my old romantic hesitancy problem kicks in.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 07:36 PM (RGQmh)

211 I dumped my landline 5 years ago or so; what's weird is people that have never had a landline. Those people can get the fuck off of my lawn. Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 11:36 PM (wNF3N) I spent years around rotary-dial phones.

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:37 PM (gferp)

212 Time for the old folk. Grouse to annoy tomorrow.

Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 03, 2013 07:37 PM (SAMxH)

213 It can be difficult to surmount Goat's Pass. A siren's call, its fluffy thrall ruined many an adventuresome lad.

Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary at December 03, 2013 07:37 PM (R6JT1)

214 Gift suggestions for former senior partner with major law firm in Atlanta sent to psych ward by second wife A shovel, a rug and a sack of lime.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 03, 2013 07:37 PM (l3vZN)

215 Good night, irongrampa!

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:37 PM (gferp)

216 Il Duce's army was not good at conquering anything. Ethiopia was the exception because Italy was a good 60 years ahead of that country in technology. Greece, Balkans, North Africa; the Germans had to save them.

More from World War II, they have found one of the missing Sen Toku submarines off Hawaii, the I-400.
http://tinyurl.com/lxew3lp

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 07:38 PM (66xMn)

217 And, titanium is the hardest metal, near indestructible, much like my love for her. Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 11:22 PM (doBIb) We beg to differ

Posted by: Dethklok at December 03, 2013 07:38 PM (Vk2pI)

218 213 I dumped my landline 5 years ago or so; what's weird is people that have never had a landline. Those people can get the fuck off of my lawn. Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 11:36 PM (wNF3N) I spent years around rotary-dial phones. Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 11:37 PM (gferp) It's all we had in Canada!!!

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:38 PM (doBIb)

219 Gift suggestions for former senior partner with major law firm in Atlanta sent to psych ward by second wife

A backdated pre-nup and POA agreement

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:39 PM (cLM8I)

220 Don't google "goat sex". Just a bit of advice. Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 11:33 PM (doBIb) Why, hello there.

Posted by: Goatse at December 03, 2013 07:40 PM (Vk2pI)

221 We beg to differ You know else is hard?

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:40 PM (doBIb)

222 What

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:40 PM (doBIb)

223 It's all we had in Canada!!! Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 11:38 PM (doBIb) I remember having only 5 channels and one of them was French. That was useless unless you wanted to watch the Canadiens on Hockey Night in Canada and didn't mind understanding anything.

Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 07:40 PM (gferp)

224 High on a hill lived a lonely goatherd. Yodel-odel-odel-odelay-de-hoo... Well, maybe not so lonely after all.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 07:41 PM (N/Sup)

225 #203: Interesting, I hadn't heard that angle before. It makes a lot of sense!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 07:41 PM (RGQmh)

226 213 I dumped my landline 5 years ago or so; what's weird is people that have never had a landline. Those people can get the fuck off of my lawn.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 11:36 PM (wNF3N)

Intersting. I dumped my iphone. All I have now is a landline. Turn that off and you'll need pigeons to contact me. Or very motivated squirrels.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:41 PM (x3YFz)

227 Gift suggestions for former senior partner with major law firm in Atlanta sent to psych ward by second wife *** A Bible

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 07:42 PM (DmNpO)

228
I remember having only 5 channels and one of them was French. That was useless unless you wanted to watch the Canadiens on Hockey Night in Canada and didn't mind understanding anything.

That explains all the drinking and sex in the snow

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:42 PM (cLM8I)

229 I remember having only 5 channels and one of them was French. That was useless unless you wanted to watch the Canadiens on Hockey Night in Canada and didn't mind understanding anything. Where I was, we picked up the local news station in Buffalo. I knew more about the daily happenings of Buffalo than TO.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:42 PM (doBIb)

230
ObamaCare is just so important for young girls like myself. We can obtain free birth control pills, and visit the doctor without cost for any problem I have with my cookie. You must know that a clean and healthy cookie is good for society.

Posted by: Ashley Dupre at December 03, 2013 07:42 PM (pJF+c)

231 Intersting. I dumped my iphone. All I have now is a landline. Turn that off and you'll need pigeons to contact me. Or very motivated squirrels. Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 11:41 PM (x3YFz) Why, hello there!

Posted by: Coconut Laden Swallow at December 03, 2013 07:42 PM (Vk2pI)

232

Hi All,

This faggy commie will not ruin OUR country.

He will fuck up the little bastions of liberal thinking.

We don't live there physically or emotionally.

But we will feel the afterquakes of the socialist dream's death.

And we might even talk about saying a prayer. right?

Posted by: seamrog at December 03, 2013 07:42 PM (su1+O)

233 @66

Whenever a man looks at me and says he's "sensitive to female issues," or even simply "sensitive" I head for the hills. You see, that's lingo for "liberal girly man" and indeed, I know that as a female with a strong personality, I will either make him kill himself, or try to kill him myself.

So it's best to just walk away.

Posted by: shibumi at December 03, 2013 07:43 PM (25HWz)

234 I saw Goat Sex Guys open for Iron Butterfly at Mosport Speedway in 1976. On the same bill: Chrissie Hind and the Pretenders, the Talking Heads, Elvis Costello and Rockpile.

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 03, 2013 07:43 PM (BLAfs)

235 We beg to differ

Posted by: Dethklok

Keeping the discussion to earthly metals.

http://www.titanium-vs-tungsten.com/

I'll assume that Deathcock metal is some sci fi crap.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 07:43 PM (DUGve)

236 I want a 57 Ford Fairlane two tone with 3 on the tree and a 289 with a 4 barrel carb carefully maintained by Cuba shade tree mechanics.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at December 03, 2013 07:44 PM (hpgw1)

237 Il lance... et compte!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 07:45 PM (4NEdy)

238 I used to get sensitive when in the middle east, but gold bond usually fixed it.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:45 PM (cLM8I)

239 Why, hello there!

Posted by: Coconut Laden Swallow at December 03, 2013 11:42 PM (Vk2pI)

I need to know your velocity, and your favorite color.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:45 PM (x3YFz)

240 So the Goat Sex guy is discussing his sex life with Mendoza down in Hell...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 07:45 PM (66xMn)

241 I'm out y'all.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 03, 2013 07:45 PM (I564v)

242 Early to bed and early to rise Makes a man miss the OverNight Thread ::Myanmar Shave:: Good night, ladies and gents. Thanks for all the bytes, posters and ye vociferous commenters. Thanks for the vibes, even you lurkers. Except for that lurker over there with the scowl. Yeah, you. Lighten up, dude. You'll last longer.

Posted by: mindful webworker - befoggin in the noggin at December 03, 2013 07:46 PM (U13jb)

243 I want a 57 Ford Fairlane two tone with 3 on the tree and a 289 with a 4 barrel carb carefully maintained by Cuba shade tree mechanics. Posted by: Angel with a sword

The dya it ends down there - a thousand gringos will be on planes with cash

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:46 PM (cLM8I)

244 The US has Uncle Sam. Cuba has Auntie American.

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 07:47 PM (zeV2E)

245 I'm out y'all. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
I guess that means Seamus is "hoofing it".

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 07:48 PM (4NEdy)

246 I can remember the good old 2001 days when Michael Totten was a respectable liberal in good standing. Now he's become one of my favorite globe-trotting foreign affairs journos, on the blog-side of the media world. Proof positive that people can change in time, with sufficient experience, and that they should be welcomed over and not insulted or derogated for having started out on the other side.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 03, 2013 07:48 PM (n/+FT)

247 Oh, and howdy y'all, happy ONT to everyone.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 03, 2013 07:48 PM (n/+FT)

248 Heh. Angel said "Ford Fairlane" http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0098987/

Posted by: shredded chi at December 03, 2013 07:49 PM (4XFNL)

249 212 #178: Hey, Gingy! I hope Weirddave didn't mind me hitting on you the way I did the other night (He's your husband, right? He addressed a comment at me that seemed to indicate this). I didn't mean anything by it; I just think it's fun to throw cheesy pick-up lines at the Moronettes. If I find out one's married, that tends to put a stop to it. Also, actually meeting the Moronette in question, even if she's single, tends to put a stop to it, as she becomes more "real" to me and my old romantic hesitancy problem kicks in. Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 11:36 PM (RGQmh) --- Aw, of course not. But out your hands on me unbidden and we might have a problem.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 07:49 PM (N/cFh)

250 I don't mind the telemarketers. I let them ramble on, then tell them I'm not buying, but that I'm really lonely and need somebody to talk to. They break off when I tell them that they have a sexy voice. When I start making weird noises, they hang up, especially the dudes.

Posted by: otho at December 03, 2013 07:49 PM (9gNQd)

251 Good night, ladies and gents. Thanks for all the bytes, posters and ye vociferous commenters. Thanks for the vibes, even you lurkers. Except for that lurker over there with the scowl. Yeah, you. Lighten up, dude. You'll last longer.

Posted by: mindful webworker - befoggin in the noggin at December 03, 2013 11:46 PM (U13jb)

Everyone from FOX news lurks here. They just can't post. We're like twitter, except under a bridge huddled around a barrel of propane wearing fingerless gloves.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:50 PM (x3YFz)

252 I can remember the good old 2001 days when Michael Totten was a respectable liberal in good standing. Now he's become one of my favorite globe-trotting foreign affairs journos, on the blog-side of the media world. Proof positive that people can change in time, with sufficient experience, and that they should be welcomed over and not insulted or derogated for having started out on the other side.
Posted by: Jeff B.

He has a new one up about Havana

http://tinyurl.com/mpcs6vo

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:51 PM (cLM8I)

253 I'll assume that Deathcock metal is some sci fi crap. Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 11:43 PM (DUGve) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dethklok

Posted by: The Metalocalypse at December 03, 2013 07:52 PM (Vk2pI)

254 Despite its sad condition, Cuba has had one major recent victory, helping turn its "sister" state Venezuela more and more into a Communist country. Hugo started a "long march" there over a decade ago and it is almost finally at its logical conclusion. But it won't be finished there and it will only end in blood: Venezuela Finally Turns Communist http://tinyurl.com/l2rvtt9

Posted by: Thrawn at December 03, 2013 07:52 PM (ZyqBH)

255 Keeping the discussion to earthly metals. http://www.titanium-vs-tungsten.com/ I'll assume that Deathcock metal is some sci fi crap. Then I made the right choice! Mine would shattered into pieces a long time ago. I once told my son when he was small that my ring had special "powers" and was forged in a mountain. Hehe...

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:53 PM (doBIb)

256 118 Still need suggestions for a gift for the 3rd hubby who she's had committed to the psych ward?

Step, up, people! She needs to get this poor guy a Christmas present!

A large mute Indian sidekick?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 03, 2013 07:53 PM (XO6WW)

257 You don't need to soak your bird to brine it. You can dry brine to get the same juicy effect. We did that for our Thanksgiving Day bird, and it was wonderful. As for the topics of the ONT: Isolating people under totalitarianism: has anyone considered that's why obamacare costs married couples more than singles? They're trying to break up families. The left has been attacking the nuclear family unit for decades now here in the US, and they're only starting to really ramp things up now.

Posted by: elaine at December 03, 2013 07:53 PM (GNZ0/)

258 Intersting. I dumped my iphone. All I have now is a landline. Turn that off and you'll need pigeons to contact me. Or very motivated squirrels.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 11:41 PM (x3YFz)

I really should get more into the habit of pulling the battery on my cell when I'm not expecting any calls and traveling around. But as to call privacy, the NSA is still grabbing the info on every call to and from your landline, just as they are from a cell phone.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 07:54 PM (wNF3N)

259 You know what I like about the ONTs? It brings out the true drunken, late-night community of the Moron Horde. And although a full 95% of you would think I'm a scrunt on any given regular daytime political thread -- I was almost tempted to drop into the Peggy Noonan one today to ask whether people were seriously done with the BS "ZOMG SHE SAID SOMETHING NOT HATEFUL ABOUT OBAMA BACK IN 2008 SHE MUST BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE DESPITE FLENSING HIM IN EVERY SINGLE COLUMN SINCE THEN!!!" -- here we can set aside the honestly minor differences and just chat like the internet-friends we really are.

P.S. Can is still the greatest Krautrock band of all time and I'll cockpunch anyone who disagrees.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 03, 2013 07:54 PM (n/+FT)

260 except under a bridge huddled around a barrel of ~~propane~~ drunks with bad HTML skills wearing fingerless gloves. FIFY

Posted by: shredded chi at December 03, 2013 07:55 PM (4XFNL)

261 The local tribal elders arranged my marriage, but I fear I've been fleeced in the deal.

Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary at December 03, 2013 07:55 PM (R6JT1)

262 252 212 #178: What's an unbidden?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 03, 2013 07:55 PM (XO6WW)

263 #252: That is a problem that will not arise.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 07:55 PM (RGQmh)

264 #226 I might use a Lonely Goatherd/Timber mash-up for my figure skating routine.

Posted by: Tim Fountain at December 03, 2013 07:55 PM (8jm+y)

265 260 118 Still need suggestions for a gift for the 3rd hubby who she's had committed to the psych ward? How about Wynona Ryder and Angelina Jolie?

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 07:55 PM (zeV2E)

266 Apparently they're not covering children under 2 years old either, elaine.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 07:55 PM (4NEdy)

267 220 213 I dumped my landline 5 years ago or so; what's weird is people that have never had a landline. Those people can get the fuck off of my lawn.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 11:36 PM (wNF3N)

I spent years around rotary-dial phones.
Posted by: Vendette at December 03, 2013 11:37 PM (gferp)

It's all we had in Canada!!!

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 11:38 PM (doBIb)

I just refreshed and one EC comment morphed into another one:

Don't google "goat sex".

It's all we had in Canada!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 07:55 PM (T1005)

268 I just figured you had to hit rock bottom and drown in tears of boredom over at HA before you came over here. Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 11:05 PM (6RwsK) Heh. That is where I found out about this place. I still comment over there once in a bit. My trajectory was: LGF>HA>AOSHQ With a few years break in the AOSHQ thing.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 07:56 PM (oFCZn)

269 261: interesting thought Elaine. So marriage becomes rebellion. People will whisper about married couples the way they used to whisper about shacked up couples.

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 03, 2013 07:57 PM (BLAfs)

270 The M885 round 5.56mm, steel core, was the standard for armor penetration for probably 2 decades (I'm lazy, I've had green tip for so long I just don't care). Not titanium.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 07:57 PM (x3YFz)

271 We don't do that on the ONT, Jeff. The ONT's for socializing and winding down.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 07:57 PM (4NEdy)

272 as a Katrina vet, Land line phones are irreplaceable. I will never be with out one, but Im old school @ 44 yrs old. If you Have an old corded phone at your house with an answering machine attached and you can check if you have power at your house no matter where you evac to. Call home and phone rings and rings with no pick up=no power. Answering machine picks up, bingo you have power. And cell service after a major catastrophe can be sketchy....altho text might work. Thats how i contacted my scattered family was thru texts.

Posted by: helofixer at December 03, 2013 07:57 PM (zLRFH)

273 I just refreshed and one EC comment morphed into another one: Don't google "goat sex". It's all we had in Canada!!! Well, it was actually beaver sex.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:58 PM (doBIb)

274 #269: Nice Girl, Interrupted reference! I'd like to add that the girls from Sucker Punch would also work nicely.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 07:58 PM (RGQmh)

275 Does it bother any of you right wing nuts that Bush lied to a Black President? I think that the sheriff of Brattleboro, VT should carry through with that arrest warrant issued years ago. Bush should be in jail...............

Posted by: Chrissy Liebowitz at December 03, 2013 07:58 PM (iB0Q2)

276 Good ol Chukkkles, talk about a lizard marinating in the brine of hate.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 07:58 PM (66xMn)

277 And it's dam good!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 07:59 PM (4NEdy)

278 P.S. Can is still the greatest Krautrock band of all time and I'll cockpunch anyone who disagrees. Posted by: Jeff B. at December 03, 2013 11:54 PM (n/+FT) Amon duul bitch. Ok even I don't buy that but...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 07:59 PM (oFCZn)

279 262 Intersting. I dumped my iphone. All I have now is a landline. Turn that off and you'll need pigeons to contact me. Or very motivated squirrels. Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 11:41 PM (x3YFz) I have a tin can network to 5 of my friends in the tree house.

Posted by: Harry Reid (P) at December 03, 2013 07:59 PM (LpbKr)

280 "Nice beaver." Frank Drebin.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 07:59 PM (66xMn)

281 The trick is habit. People are wired to notice change. Like the study that noted humans are able to pick out the snake among the pile of sticks. Community is the name of the human game. Play it and one is allied some individuality. There's risk sure, but if you averse to risk then just open your Facebook account and pet your fucking cat and go to sleep.

Posted by: Pflag at December 03, 2013 08:00 PM (mUydy)

282 P.S. Can is still the greatest Krautrock band of all time and I'll cockpunch anyone who disagrees.>>

Can sucks donkey dick.

Posted by: The Hickster's drunken cock looking for a fight at December 03, 2013 08:00 PM (DUGve)

283 261 I think its odd that liberals always just happen to put marriage penalties in their laws. Then when they're confronted they say "Woops! Just a little oversight!" The tax laws had a marriage penalty for the longest time. But it's so habitual that it has to be philosophical on their part.

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 03, 2013 08:00 PM (zeV2E)

284 >>>Amon duul bitch.

Ok even I don't buy that but...

They're not bad! But Can is better. I'd rate Neu as my #2 Krautrock group, with Amon Duul at #3 and Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk tied for #4, but people of discerning taste will obviously differ.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 03, 2013 08:00 PM (n/+FT)

285 277 I just refreshed and one EC comment morphed into another one: Don't google "goat sex". It's all we had in Canada!!! Well, it was actually beaver sex. Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 11:58 PM (doBIb) --- I bought a shorn beaver jacket this fall. Really. It's kinda red. Matches my Facebook picture.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 08:01 PM (N/cFh)

286 Venezuela Finally Turns Communist
Posted by: Thrawn at December 03, 2013 11:52 PM (ZyqBH)
Then the lights go out.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 03, 2013 08:01 PM (BrrWI)

287 Amon Duul? Wasn't he a Firefly character?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 08:01 PM (RGQmh)

288 The weather has been so mild this week in Illinois that I wish I could beg it to stay... tell it I love it and ask it to marry me, lol! But, I know freezing is coming anyway

I actually had the windows open today.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 03, 2013 08:01 PM (KL49F)

289 263 You know what I like about the ONTs? It brings out the true drunken, late-night community of the Moron Horde. And although a full 95% of you would think I'm a scrunt on any given regular daytime political thread -- I was almost tempted to drop into the Peggy Noonan one today to ask whether people were seriously done with the BS "ZOMG SHE SAID SOMETHING NOT HATEFUL ABOUT OBAMA BACK IN 2008 SHE MUST BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE DESPITE FLENSING HIM IN EVERY SINGLE COLUMN SINCE THEN!!!" -- here we can set aside the honestly minor differences and just chat like the internet-friends we really are.

P.S. Can is still the greatest Krautrock band of all time and I'll cockpunch anyone who disagrees.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 03, 2013 11:54 PM (n/+FT)

I dunno 'bout you, but I'm in as notoxicated as thinkle peep.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 08:02 PM (T1005)

290 They're not bad! But Can is better. I'd rate Neu as my #2 Krautrock group, with Amon Duul at #3 and Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk tied for #4, but people of discerning taste will obviously differ. Posted by: Jeff B. at December 04, 2013 12:00 AM (n/+FT) Neu is great stuff. I hate to agree with you but the stuff I've heard from Can is pretty damn impressive. I admit I've listened to little from Kraftwerk.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 08:02 PM (oFCZn)

291 I have a tin can network to 5 of my friends in the tree house.

Posted by: Harry Reid (P) at December 03, 2013 11:59 PM (LpbKr)

You actually socked that in hopes it would be funny?

Dude.

Really? Up your game, rookie.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 08:02 PM (x3YFz)

292 Wynona's got a big brown beaver. Tootsie Roll to the winner.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:02 PM (LpbKr)

293 >>>Can sucks donkey dick.

Well then gird your loins, buddy.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 03, 2013 08:02 PM (n/+FT)

294 I bought a shorn beaver jacket this fall. Really. It's kinda red. Matches my Facebook picture. You had us at "shorn beaver."

Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2013 08:02 PM (UAMVq)

295 253 I don't mind the telemarketers. I let them ramble on, then tell them I'm not buying, but that I'm really lonely and need somebody to talk to. They break off when I tell them that they have a sexy voice. When I start making weird noises, theyhang up, especially the dudes. Posted by: otho at December 03, 2013 11:49 PM (9gNQd) Ever "make weird noises" then flush the toilet?

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 03, 2013 08:03 PM (mck3/)

296 Shorn beaver is softer than miink.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 08:03 PM (N/cFh)

297 296 Wynona's got a big brown beaver. Tootsie Roll to the winner. Posted by: RWC at December 04, 2013 12:02 AM (LpbKr) And she shows him off to all her friends. So I hear, anyway.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2013 08:03 PM (UAMVq)

298 Amon duul bitch. Ok even I don't buy that but... Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 11:59 PM (oFCZn) Amon DÃ¼Ã¼l I or Amon DÃ¼Ã¼l II? Amon DÃ¼Ã¼l II's "Archangel Thunderbird": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pcla5zyZfA

Posted by: The Metalocalypse at December 03, 2013 08:04 PM (Vk2pI)

299 Subzero conditions in Sioux Falls tomorrow. Obama Jugend did not anticipate a long winter campaign against fly over country - they only have Obama summer jumper unis. And he's ordered them to fight and not surrender.

Posted by: Tim Fountain at December 03, 2013 08:05 PM (8jm+y)

300 Ever "make weird noises" then flush the toilet?

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 04, 2013 12:03 AM

Hell no. I'm no sicko. Just the pleasuring myself noises.

Posted by: otho at December 03, 2013 08:05 PM (9gNQd)

301 She hooked on speed, never sleeps and thinks she's a god. I'm not a god. I don't like speed so fuck me right. I need sleep, food, and a nice recliner. Evil incarnate

Posted by: Pflag at December 03, 2013 08:05 PM (mUydy)

302 >>>Neu is great stuff. I hate to agree with you but the stuff I've heard from Can is pretty damn impressive. I admit I've listened to little from Kraftwerk.

Kraftwerk is just too programmed and robotic for my tastes. I know that was the vibe they were intentionally going for, and it was definitely ahead of its time (it basically prefigured all modern techno and house music in its rigid beats), but Can was unbeatable in its emphasis on the truly human improvisational element and Neu!, while more tick-tock, still surprised you in most every song. "Fur Immer" and "Hallogallo" should be heard by all living, breathing human beings who enjoy music IMO.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 03, 2013 08:06 PM (n/+FT)

303 Wynona's got a big brown beaver. Tootsie Roll to the winner. Posted by: RWC at December 04, 2013 12:02 AM (LpbKr) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDfwUJzYQg

Posted by: The Big Brown Beaver at December 03, 2013 08:06 PM (Vk2pI)

304 The M885 round 5.56mm, steel core, was the standard for armor penetration for probably 2 decades (I'm lazy, I've had green tip for so long I just don't care). Not titanium.>>

I made the same mixup mistake. Most flechettes were steel and some were Tungsten (because of density and Ti doesn't fit that bill). But I unlike you hate to admit any mistake until forced.

Posted by: The Hickster's drunken cock looking for a fight at December 03, 2013 08:06 PM (DUGve)

305 I talked to a guy in a bar once who had beaver tail leather boots. He said they were the best waterproof natural boots there are. Sounds plausible.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 08:06 PM (4NEdy)

306 You actually socked that in hopes it would be funny? Dude. Really? Up your game, rookie. Posted by: tangonine at December 04, 2013 12:02 AM (x3YFz) Harry Reid with a tin can telephone network. It's funny to me.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:07 PM (LpbKr)

307 309: did those beavertail boots have a tongue?

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 03, 2013 08:07 PM (BLAfs)

308 309 I talked to a guy in a bar once who had beaver tail leather boots. He said they were the best waterproof natural boots there are. Sounds plausible. Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2013 12:06 AM (4NEdy) --- People are always incredulous when I tell them the beaver is pretty much the reason that Canada exists.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 08:08 PM (N/cFh)

309 Kraftwerk is just too programmed and robotic for my tastes. I know that was the vibe they were intentionally going for, and it was definitely ahead of its time (it basically prefigured all modern techno and house music in its rigid beats), but Can was unbeatable in its emphasis on the truly human improvisational element and Neu!, while more tick-tock, still surprised you in most every song. "Fur Immer" and "Hallogallo" should be heard by all living, breathing human beings who enjoy music IMO. Posted by: Jeff B. at December 04, 2013 12:06 AM (n/+FT) Their earlier stuff wasn't so programmed, though. Here is their early studio recording of "Ruckzuck": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWKfo3LDI1Q Here is a live version from Radio Bremen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72SmgSC56ek

Posted by: Die Politische Hut at December 03, 2013 08:08 PM (Vk2pI)

310 Everyone from FOX news lurks here. They just can't post. We're like twitter, except under a bridge huddled around a barrel of propane wearing fingerless gloves.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 11:50 PM

If Maria Molina is lurking here ... I'll be in my bunk

Posted by: kbdabear at December 03, 2013 08:08 PM (aTXUx)

311 I can remember the good old 2001 days when Michael Totten was a respectable liberal in good standing. Now he's become one of my favorite globe-trotting foreign affairs journos, on the blog-side of the media world. Proof positive that people can change in time, with sufficient experience, and that they should be welcomed over and not insulted or derogated for having started out on the other side. Posted by: Jeff B. Christianity is about redemption. There's always hope. Of course P. J. O'Rourke started out writing for an underground, or leftwing paper. And Horowitz wrote for, I believe it was, Ramparts, which was leftwing.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 03, 2013 08:09 PM (mck3/)

312 The natives pelted my group with leaves, believing us to be Trapper Keepers.

Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary at December 03, 2013 08:09 PM (R6JT1)

313 #311: I had a telephonic conversation, bitch!

It's too bad Ted Stevens died, because he'd have done a better job setting up healthcare.gov. He at least understood that the internet is not a dump truck, but a series of tubes.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 08:09 PM (RGQmh)

314 Obama Jugend did not anticipate a long winter campaign against fly over country - they only have Obama summer jumper unis.

If they crumple up their propaganda and shove it in their clothes, they might make it thru the night.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 08:09 PM (cLM8I)

315 For Lord of the Rings movie fans, coming soon is an auction of props including the prop copy of Sting Elijah Wood used in the movie.

http://tinyurl.com/ma72zeb

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 08:10 PM (66xMn)

316 Agreed Gingy--no beaver, no Canada.

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 03, 2013 08:10 PM (BLAfs)

317 anyone following the saga of the USAID guy still in prison down in Cuba; its been four years and Obama hasn't gotten him out yet.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 08:11 PM (cLM8I)

318 On the Cuba topic, we can say that Sissi Frietas and Rashel Diaz, two of the better Sabado Gigante spokesmodels, were from that island paradise.

So weird there's nothing open there these days.

Do they have open threads?

Posted by: Tim Fountain at December 03, 2013 08:11 PM (8jm+y)

319 313 309 I talked to a guy in a bar once who had beaver tail leather boots. He said they were the best waterproof natural boots there are. Sounds plausible.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2013 12:06 AM (4NEdy)
---
People are always incredulous when I tell them the beaver is pretty much the reason that Canada exists.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 04, 2013 12:08 AM (N/cFh)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson%27s_Bay_Company

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 08:12 PM (T1005)

320 People are always incredulous when I tell them the beaver is pretty much the reason that Canada exists.
That and cod, b'y.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 08:13 PM (4NEdy)

321 cthulhu, exactly.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 08:13 PM (N/cFh)

322 >> as a Katrina vet, Land line phones are irreplaceable...

helofixer, me too (Katrina). Our power was out for over a month; the land line for almost that long. The thing that came back fastest was the cell towers for us.

Now they've added better backup power to the cell towers, so cells should be even more resilient.

Oh, and we had satellite internet so as long as I ran the generator, I could surf the web. Which made life a bit more bearable.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 08:14 PM (wNF3N)

323 321 Agreed Gingy--no beaver, no Canada. Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 04, 2013 12:10 AM

Canadian Beaver

http://tinyurl.com/lcylmw7

Posted by: kbdabear at December 03, 2013 08:14 PM (aTXUx)

324 anyone following the saga of the USAID guy still in prison down in Cuba; its been four years and Obama hasn't gotten him out yet.>>

This may be a problem to blame Bush for. The Ruskies were weak after the fall of the Berlin wall. Why the fuck is Cuba still a thorn in our side. (To clarify Bush 1 not 2)

Posted by: The Hickster's drunken cock looking for a fight at December 03, 2013 08:14 PM (DUGve)

325 325 People are always incredulous when I tell them the beaver is pretty much the reason that Canada exists. That and cod, b'y. Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2013 12:13 AM (4NEdy) --- By Jesus yes b'y. There was a half-Newfie at Thanksgiving. I about cried.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 08:14 PM (N/cFh)

326
Good evening Horde, I hope you're all having a lovely day. Mine was better than yesterday, by a long shot.

You beat his ass with a pry bar? The feeler-upper?

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 11:29 PM (doBIb)

Russia has been importing relatively cheap titanium crowbars into the States for awhile now. I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 03, 2013 08:15 PM (MBqvE)

327 #317 Sir Edmund, after such adventure, New Zealand must do better than confine you to the Five Pound Note.

Posted by: Tim Fountain at December 03, 2013 08:15 PM (8jm+y)

328 Isolating people under totalitarianism: has anyone considered that's why obamacare costs married couples more than singles? They're trying to break up families. The left has been attacking the nuclear family unit for decades now here in the US, and they're only starting to really ramp things up now. Posted by: elaine at December 03, 2013 11:53 PM (GNZ0/) ___________ It's not Obmacare that does this. It's welfare in general. A married couple making $X will get less welfare than 2 single people making $1/2X. Taxes used to be like this as well. Remember the marriage penalty? Bush got rid of that for the most part. But it's still there in many ways when it comes to deduction limits. Two single people making $75K each are better off than a married couple making $150K each when it comes to deductions available to them.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2013 08:15 PM (P24qO)

329 Beavertail is a popular delicacy at summer fairs.

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 03, 2013 08:15 PM (BLAfs)

330 Jean, only 4 years? There is a retired FBI guy who got arrested in Iran. Been in prison for six years.

But we heard how often about those three Americans who got kidnapped by FARC?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 08:15 PM (66xMn)

331 Good stuff by Totten on Cuba. My mother is Cuban and still has family there. My mother hasn't gone back herself but she has a sister, long since a citizen of Spain, who has gone a few times. The relatives are ice cold and want nothing to do with foreigners in general and "gusanos" (former Cubans) in particular. Too dangerous --- and as Totten said, the paranoia becomes a regular mindset. The braver and more enterprising ones WILL take black market goods, however. They smile and schmooze but are just out for numero uno. Socialism builds love and fraternity!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 03, 2013 08:15 PM (dfYL9)

332 Posted by: The Big Brown Beaver at December 04, 2013 12:06 AM (Vk2pI) Bingo. Primus is so so, but I love their bass.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:15 PM (LpbKr)

333 Everyone from FOX news lurks here. They just can't post. We're like twitter, except under a bridge huddled around a barrel of propane wearing fingerless gloves. *** In that case: Martha MacCallum is the best. Greta's new slot doesn't quite fit with the tempo of the show and makes it a very long run of news/opinion. Shep's show, although I'm not a big fan, broke the tension for an hour after Special Report Geraldo is unbearable. Stossel's show should run twice on the weekends. Moar Kilmeade. Give him a weekly sports show. Each of these is The Man: Ed Henry and Brit Hume That's all for now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 08:15 PM (DmNpO)

334 Now they've added better backup power to the cell towers, so cells should be even more resilient.

Not going to do much if the wind knocks the backhaul antennas out of alignment.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 08:16 PM (cLM8I)

335 Thank you, kb.
Did you have any screech to hand, Gingy?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 08:16 PM (4NEdy)

336 328 Getting Dick rolled is way better than Rick rolled.

Posted by: The Hickster Finaly fixed the sock at December 03, 2013 08:16 PM (DUGve)

337 270 Apparently they're not covering children under 2 years old either, elaine. Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2013 11:55 PM Saw that earlier... dunno if anyone mentioned this wrinkle, but forcing families to purchase two policies -- one for the baby and one for the rest -- not only increases the premium, it also means the baby has to meet a separate deductible, which doesn't count toward meeting the family's deductible. Imagine if your family has to pay out thousands in premiums, plus at least $10k or more in double deductibles before you see any money back. They're trying to turn us into beggars...

Posted by: elaine at December 03, 2013 08:18 PM (GNZ0/)

338 The left has been attacking the nuclear family unit for decades now here in the US, and they're only starting to really ramp things up now. Posted by: elaine at December 03, 2013 11:53 PM Not a day goes by when you don't see an article in the MSM about "extended LGBT families" that are the wave of the future, how they're so much more loving than blood relative families I'd trust an "extended hipster LGBT community" family member less than Fredo Corleone should have trusted Michael

Posted by: kbdabear at December 03, 2013 08:19 PM (aTXUx)

339 340 Thank you, kb. Did you have any screech to hand, Gingy? Posted by: andycanuck at December 04, 2013 12:16 AM (4NEdy) --- No. It was a shock to me. Her father was from St. Anthony's (which she pronounced like she's from Away) up the peninsula. I pronounced it right and she was surprised I knew it.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 08:19 PM (N/cFh)

340 Stossel's show should run twice on the weekends.Â And once every morning in every highschool homeroom in the country.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 03, 2013 08:19 PM (4XFNL)

341 Anna, the Iran guy is a little vague and the FRAC, well that was warzone. This guy was a credentialed guy on an official passport as an employee of the US Government -- and fucking crickets. Crickets from the media and from Obama.

We should at least grab one of there UN guys a make a trade.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 08:20 PM (cLM8I)

342 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2013 12:15 AM (DmNpO) Stossel should be on regular Fox.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:20 PM (LpbKr)

343 Speaking of Canada, eh. Did you know Warren Zevon wrote a song about hockey?

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 03, 2013 08:20 PM (BLAfs)

344 Any explorer worth his salt has taken notable poundings from more than just five at a time, as that Bourdain fellow will attest.

Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary at December 03, 2013 08:20 PM (R6JT1)

345 OT (as OT as the ONT gets):

I lost one of my troops 4 Dec 2011. It wasn't combat, it was stupid. But nonetheless... She was a solid trooper. If I'd said, "eat that tree!" she'd have responded, "how many bites, sir?"

36 years old she was, mother of 2 boys. I count her as one of my friends. I two-stepped with her, shared beers, wore her ass out for being out of uniform, was knee-deep in her ass as her boss. She never let me down.

Long day.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 08:21 PM (x3YFz)

346 LOLing! John E. tweets: Chances Biden tries to order General TsoÂ’s Chicken during a state dinner tomorrow? someone responds: Chances Biden asks to meet General Tso during a state dinner tomorrow?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 08:21 PM (DmNpO)

347 For the pelt, the skin: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/HBC-coa.JPG

Hey, those don't look like hobos....

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 08:21 PM (T1005)

348 How is it pronounced on the Rock? Santanony?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 08:21 PM (4NEdy)

349 Stossel should be on regular Fox. Posted by: RWC at December 04, 2013 12:20 AM

Maria Molina should be a mobile phone app

Posted by: kbdabear at December 03, 2013 08:22 PM (aTXUx)

350 Way late to this party, and just read Ace's earlier post "Obama: Hey America, Suck My Dick", and it occurs to me that everything Obama has done since about 20 minutes after he was inaugurated is explained by the probable fact that his whole life people have been telling him "dude, just wait until you're in power, you'll totally be the 'deus ex machina' who'll solve everything!"

And then the first crisis came along, and the second, and the third, and Obama waited for himself to solve the problems brilliantly as he had always been told he would, and of course nothing happened.

Or, everything is explained by the fact that he is a fucking arrogant asshole with an IQ of 65.

Posted by: FYNQ at December 03, 2013 08:22 PM (8+xjO)

351 I can remember the good old 2001 days when Michael Totten was a respectable liberal in good standing.

He still leans a bit left'ish'ish'ish, but is one of the rare ones who is willing to relate what he observes as a journalist in a pretty objective manner.

His reporting is so straight forward, factual, and better researched than anything in the MSM its hard to actually discern his political leanings from it most of the time.

The last 8 years or so he seems to have softened on the liberalism some. Bouncing around the shitholes of the world will do that to you.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 03, 2013 08:22 PM (L0b3J)

352 Sainant'nee

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 08:23 PM (N/cFh)

353 Stossel should be on regular Fox. *** He does a consistently great show but it only airs during the weekdays on FBC, which I don't have, and then airs once over the weekend. He is quite good.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 08:23 PM (DmNpO)

354 "Fur Immer" and "Hallogallo" should be heard by all living, breathing human beings who enjoy music IMO. Posted by: Jeff B. at December 04, 2013 12:06 AM (n/+FT) Hallogallo was listen to this and fall asleep music for a long, long time. It's quite mello compared to Can or Amon duul.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 08:23 PM (oFCZn)

355 God rest her soul, tangonine.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 08:23 PM (4NEdy)

356 Or mellow for that matter.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 03, 2013 08:23 PM (oFCZn)

357 Time for bed. Last yoga class tomorrow.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 03, 2013 08:24 PM (N/cFh)

358 I think Stossel has a regular show on Fox Business Network

Posted by: kbdabear at December 03, 2013 08:24 PM (aTXUx)

359 And once every morning in every highschool homeroom in the country. *** A fine idea.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 08:24 PM (DmNpO)

360 342 270 Apparently they're not covering children under 2 years old either, elaine.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2013 11:55 PM

Saw that earlier... dunno if anyone mentioned this wrinkle, but forcing families to purchase two policies -- one for the baby and one for the rest -- not only increases the premium, it also means the baby has to meet a separate deductible, which doesn't count toward meeting the family's deductible. Imagine if your family has to pay out thousands in premiums, plus at least $10k or more in double deductibles before you see any money back.

They're trying to turn us into beggars...

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 12:18 AM (GNZ0/)

Yet, a 26 year-old "child" is covered by parents' insurance...

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 03, 2013 08:24 PM (KL49F)

361 350 OT (as OT as the ONT gets):

I lost one of my troops 4 Dec 2011. It wasn't combat, it was stupid. But nonetheless... She was a solid trooper. If I'd said, "eat that tree!" she'd have responded, "how many bites, sir?"

36 years old she was, mother of 2 boys. I count her as one of my friends. I two-stepped with her, shared beers, wore her ass out for being out of uniform, was knee-deep in her ass as her boss. She never let me down.

Long day.

Posted by: tangonine at December 04, 2013 12:21 AM (x3YFz)

I'm sorry for your....our loss. It's only fitting to honor her memory on this second sad anniversary.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 08:25 PM (T1005)

362 Someone has an interesting definition of 'taunting':

"They left Nazi signs in our front yard, " said Terresa. "Two people were standing there, one with a lighter and one with a gas tank, telling us that they were going to burn our home down."

http://tinyurl.com/l7rmsay (clickondetroit)

Also, their house and cars were splattered with paintgun balls on at least two occasions.

Taunting, huh? I'd call that terrorism and vandalism, but hey, what do I know. The cause of all this hate? Flying a US and Israeli flag in front of their house.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 08:25 PM (wNF3N)

363 The people of Italy didn't like the choice he'd made any more than he did, and that's why he found himself swinging from a lamppost at the end of the war.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler

From the awning of an Esso station, not a lamppost. He was shot first.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 03, 2013 08:25 PM (uCNam)

364 The left has been attacking the nuclear family unit for decades now here in the US,>>

The first step was taking the stigma out of divorce. And that has to go back 40+ years.

And much like Obamacare it focused on a small minority of really bad situations and then implemented a system to destroy the whole institution of Marriage. Just like they are now doing to Health insurance. Nulling contracts makes you a slave to the state to get special dispensations from the state.

Posted by: The Hickster Finaly fixed the sock at December 03, 2013 08:25 PM (DUGve)

365 Posted by: tangonine at December 04, 2013 12:21 AM (x3YFz)

I'm sorry, tangonine. {{{hugs}}}

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 03, 2013 08:26 PM (KL49F)

366 That's what I was trying for, Gingy. (More or less.)

And a brief beaver video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePD-yInTx5o&feature=related

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 08:26 PM (4NEdy)

367 Or, everything is explained by the fact that he is a fucking arrogant asshole with an IQ of 65.

Virulent NPD explains ALL of his behavior. That even trumps his leftist leanings when there is a conflict.

It explains how he thinks words=action, the bevy of incompetent groupies, the way he presents to the public, the lavish lifestyle, etc, etc.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 03, 2013 08:28 PM (L0b3J)

368 Thanks for the kind words, guys. I actually feel guitly about bringing it up. It should be between just me and her.

my apologies. Sometimes you just have to verbalize shit and that's what that was.

I appreciate it.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 08:29 PM (x3YFz)

369 Comdolences and prayers tangonine.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:29 PM (LpbKr)

370 Condolences.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:30 PM (LpbKr)

371 357 Sainant'nee

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 04, 2013 12:23 AM (N/cFh)

Which syllable gets the accent?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 08:30 PM (T1005)

372 And if you guys go see Lone Survivor: bring a whole case of tissues. Danny, Axe, Mikey.... ffs.... Shu? I'm not going to be able to watch that movie for probably 10 years.

Just tell me how it goes.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 08:31 PM (x3YFz)

373 There are insurance policies where there needs to be a separate policy for babies?

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 03, 2013 08:33 PM (mck3/)

374 I lost one of my troops 4 Dec 2011.
It wasn't combat,>>

She signed up and didn't whine (from your description of her actions).

No matter how she was lost She decided to make that sacrifice of signing up, and willingly put up with the hardship of that decision. That is a person we should all morn the loss of.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 08:33 PM (DUGve)

375 He does a consistently great show but it only airs during the weekdays on FBC, which I don't have, and then airs once over the weekend. He is quite good. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2013 12:23 AM (DmNpO) He's better than 99.5 percent of Fox News talking heads. A guy in 2013 rockin' a porn 'stache doesn't give a F! Seriously though, much better than the Fox News 'superstars.'

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:34 PM (LpbKr)

376 >>>Hallogallo was listen to this and fall asleep music for a long, long time.

See, this is why I fucking love the ONT. I can't think of many Morons who I disagree with more frequently on the dayside. And yet you put yourself to sleep with the same Krautrock lullaby that I did for years.

[Yiddish shrug] "Who knew?" [/shrug]

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 03, 2013 08:34 PM (n/+FT)

377

I lost one of my troops 4 Dec 2011. ...

Long day.

Posted by: tangonine at December 04, 2013 12:21 AM (x3YFz)

Just plodding my way through the day and didn't even notice the date til your post. Lost my mother this date 2009

Posted by: PMRich at December 03, 2013 08:36 PM (KDUNf)

378 378 There are insurance policies where there needs to be a separate policy for babies? Posted by: nerdygirl at December 04, 2013 12:33 AM Ace posted about it Monday, I think. Maybe Tuesday. Basically some guy was looking into insurance, since he and his wife are self-employed and purchase it on the individual market. He was told their 18-month-old baby wouldn't be included on the policy with parents and their three other children. Baby's policy premium would be anywhere between low $100 and nearly $400 per month. That's in addition to the family policy, which I think he said would cost near a grand a month. Two policies, I would think, means two deductibles to meet. Right?

Posted by: elaine at December 03, 2013 08:38 PM (GNZ0/)

379 #350: I'm sorry for your loss, Tangonine. As Chthulu pointed out, it's also our loss. She sounds awesome, and the world has grown a little darker without her.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 08:38 PM (RGQmh)

380 Hope she rests in peace and rises in glory, tangonine

Posted by: Tim Fountain at December 03, 2013 08:38 PM (8jm+y)

381
No matter how she was lost She decided to make that sacrifice of signing up, and willingly put up with the hardship of that decision. That is a person we should all morn the loss of.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 04, 2013 12:33 AM (DUGve)

It was simply she didn't listen to her NCO (me).

It's just that simple. The one time she didn't listen, she got dead. No fixin' it.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 08:38 PM (x3YFz)

382 Lost my mother this date 2009 *** I lost mine Dec 17, 2009. 4 years and I still can barely stand to glance over at her urn.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 08:38 PM (DmNpO)

383 I think the division is Sain/an/t'nee but I don't know if any particular syllable is stressed. We'll have to ask Gingy tomorrow, I guess.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 03, 2013 08:38 PM (4NEdy)

384 Hope she rests in peace and rises in glory, tangonine *** Indeed

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 08:39 PM (DmNpO)

385 I want a 57 Ford Fairlane two tone with 3 on the tree and a 289 with a 4 barrel carb carefully maintained by Cuba shade tree mechanics.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at December 03, 2013 11:44 PM (hpgw1)

Well, that you won't find in Cuba. Ford didn't make their 289 until 1964; you would have found a Y-block 292 or 312 in that Fairlane, originally. And since Cuba went commie in 1960, wasn't it, there won't be any American iron there newer than that. Having talked to Canadians who visited Cuba, all those old American cars, or most of them, at any rate, have been re-powered several times with Russian tractor engines and the like, and the rusted-out bodies repeatedly filled with body filler, and sanded smooth and painted. I'd say damn few of the American cars seen on Cuban streets would be worth much to a serious collector in the USA. Because they have been driven to death and mended so many times. But old Fidel may have some nice low-milers in his garage.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2013 08:39 PM (8Fl6F)

386 It's just that simple. The one time she didn't listen, she got dead. No fixin' it. Posted by: tangonine at December 04, 2013 12:38 AM (x3YFz) And that's not on you.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:41 PM (LpbKr)

387 #373: Don't feel guilty. It's a hard thing to deal with on your own, and we Morons are here for just that sort of burden-sharing. Sorrow shared is divided, while joy shared is multiplied.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 08:42 PM (RGQmh)

388 tangonine: So sorry for your loss. But your words here remind us to be ever-vigilant -- even one mistake could be your last.

Posted by: elaine at December 03, 2013 08:42 PM (GNZ0/)

389 373 Thanks for the kind words, guys. I actually feel guitly about bringing it up. It should be between just me and her.

my apologies. Sometimes you just have to verbalize shit and that's what that was.

I appreciate it.

Posted by: tangonine at December 04, 2013 12:29 AM (x3YFz)

Nonsense. A eulogy for those who are gone is always appropriate on an anniversary of their passing.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 08:43 PM (T1005)

390 367 -GnuBreed The party of tolerance, huh? That story is just sickening. Not really surprising, though. Unfortunately. I had to stop reading the comments after just a few.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 03, 2013 08:43 PM (4XFNL)

391 The future's so bright I have to wear my cheap sunglasses at night.

Posted by: the guy with too many radios playing in his head at December 03, 2013 08:46 PM (rf20m)

392 Two term president Barack Obama is undeniable proof that anyone can be president.

Posted by: Let me be clear at December 03, 2013 08:47 PM (GihMY)

393 No matter how she was lost She decided to make
that sacrifice of signing up, and willingly put up with the hardship of
that decision. That is a person we should all morn the loss of.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 04, 2013 12:33 AM (DUGve)

It was simply she didn't listen to her NCO (me).

It's just that simple. The one time she didn't listen, she got dead. No fixin' it.

Posted by: tangonine at December 04, 2013 12:38 AM (x3YFz)

And as a good NCO you go back, and you rethink everything you trained, everything you said, and ask yourself: Did I miss something? Did I drop the ball? Is there some thing I could have done?

And after two years of *fuck!* the answer is, no. I did everything perfectly. And I still feel like I should have been there. I couldn't have been there. But I should have been there. But I couldn't have.

And this is why vets go through what they go through, and no hippie psychologist or psychiatrist or therapist can fix it. It's unfixable. It's not logical... it's just: goddammit!

that's it.

but we press on. we do it how we do it. Some guys have a harder time with it than others.

I was on the ops floor when we lost Neil. My friend (a SEAL) was QRF for that mission and had to walk off the ramp after the rangers got shot down. He's living with a whole shit ton of this AND his best friend was Glen Doherty so yeah.... I've got it easy.

You just saddle up and ride the fence.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 08:47 PM (x3YFz)

394 395 >> I had to stop reading the comments after just a few.

shredded, I never even thought to look at the comments section. Bad, huh?

Sigh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 08:48 PM (wNF3N)

395 291 Amon Duul? Wasn't he a Firefly character? No. He was in one of the original Conans. Demon worshipped .

Posted by: John Roberts at December 03, 2013 08:48 PM (XFTOV)

396 It was simply she didn't listen to her NCO (me).

It's just that simple. The one time she didn't listen, she got dead. No fixin' it.>>

There will be no relief for you in this post. But Parents go through this all the time with the death of a child. We try our best to protect them but we can't put them in in a bubble we control completely. and sometimes the lessons we teach aren't enough.

I have a story about my parents and my oldest Brother. But I will never know that pain since both my kids are still here. Can't help but I kinda get the pain.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 08:49 PM (DUGve)

397 #397: Now I have to bust out the Obama haiku I wrote last year...

As I've always said,
Let me be perfectly clear,
Y-you can't just, um...

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 08:49 PM (RGQmh)

398

Nope. Just Beaver.

All the way down.

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2013 08:54 PM (rp0nH)

399 I need to know your velocity, and your favorite color. Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 11:45 PM (x3YFz) Private-sector velocity.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 03, 2013 08:54 PM (6RwsK)

400 People are always incredulous when I tell them the beaver is pretty much the reason that Canada exists.>>

I blame the elections of Franken And Ventura on the Beaver too.

Just makes me feel better living in a land of Retards to place the blame externally..

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 08:55 PM (DUGve)

401 Private-sector velocity.

European or African...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 03, 2013 08:56 PM (FvyJS)

402

I need to know your velocity, and your favorite color

Laden or un-laden?

Posted by: a swallow at December 03, 2013 08:56 PM (rp0nH)

403 354 Maria Molina should be a mobile phone app

You'd need that new curved screen technology.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 03, 2013 09:00 PM (U82Km)

404 I need to know your velocity, and your favorite color>>

Hypersonic and copper.

Posted by: .223 FMJ at December 03, 2013 09:00 PM (DUGve)

405 There will be no relief for you in this post. But Parents go through this all the time with the death of a child. We try our best to protect them but we can't put them in in a bubble we control completely. and sometimes the lessons we teach aren't enough.

I have a story about my parents and my oldest Brother. But I will never know that pain since both my kids are still here. Can't help but I kinda get the pain.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 04, 2013 12:49 AM (DUGve)

I hear you, brother. It just boils down to: You're responsible for them, regardless of how stupid they act. It's a tough dynamic. As an NCO, you think of all your troops kinda like they're your kids, it's natural. Closer, I think, than the officers do.

More of a mother hen thing. I was always protective of my troops... even when they went sideways (bar fights, et, al, infinitum). I always was there for them... midnight calls: "Sgt! my wife threw me out!" me: "ok, shithead, crash at my place then fix it in the morning or I'll PT you until your eyeballs bleed." and so on....

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 09:00 PM (x3YFz)

406 Two term president Barack Obama is undeniable proof that anyone can be president. Posted by: Let me be clear at December 04, 2013 12:47 AM (GihMY) It is a sad day in The United States when a person this unqualified can be elected president twice. Thanks LIVs. I do not usually wish harm on others, but if any misfortune happens to the LIVÂ’s I will enjoy it. We have those fools to thank for the cult of celebrity jerk that is now our president. Did anyone read that SCOAMFÂ’s Uncle Omar has been allowed to stay in the US? Omar was arrested for drunk driving two years ago in suburb of Boston. His sister or half sister Zetunie was there at hearing, same judge & lawyer on the case. Omar was on the deport list for 20+ years. We citizens of MA have to pay towards those two. TFG should take his aunt & uncle to the WH & pay for them. IÂ’m sorry if I repeated something said earlier. IÂ’m exhausted and had a doctor appointment today. I have high BP again. I had it briefly three years ago. I think itÂ’s stress from my younger brotherÂ’s infections.

Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2013 09:01 PM (z4WKX)

407 Posted this in the previous, now dead, thread but @413 makes it relevant once again:

Anyone read the latest Drudge link from Mediate?

Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute testifying before Congress that it's coming to the point that if the federal government's behavior is setting the stage for armed revolt.

Here's the nut graf, as the newsies like to say:

Â“That is certainly something that no one wants to contemplate,Â” he
continued. Â“If the people come to believe that the government is no
longer constrained by the laws then they will conclude that neither are
they.Â”

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 03, 2013 09:04 PM (FvyJS)

408 #408: Canada, and all our west European friends, can sort of afford to go off on various socialist boondoggles because they have us to help with their defense.

So, who's gonna help us to afford all our socialist boondoggles?

Nobody, that's who.

This makes me grateful for our east European friends, who actually had to live under full-blown communism, and thus now reject it in all its forms.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 09:05 PM (RGQmh)

409 GnuBreed, yeah, pretty ignorant. Don't bother going back to read any. Pissed me off enough that I'm logging off for a while and going to make another scrapple sandwich... Maybe I'll come back and look for some kitteh videos in a few.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 03, 2013 09:06 PM (4XFNL)

410 Michael Cannon
of the Cato Institute testifying before Congress

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 04, 2013 01:04 AM (FvyJS)

testifying before congress is about as effective, nowdays, as smashing a hammer into your face.

No. One. Cares.

Least of all: congress.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 09:08 PM (x3YFz)

411 This makes me grateful for our east European friends, who actually had to live under full-blown communism, and thus now reject it in all its forms.>>

So what your saying is we should all invest in start up arms manufactures of our constitutional friends in eastern Europe? Since 3D printing is great but a real supply is better.Oh and 3D printed cartridges suck.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 09:10 PM (DUGve)

412 209 Awesome, Tangonine! Love it when something makes a spark!

Posted by: Mindy at December 03, 2013 09:11 PM (lCBX+)

413 You know that whole "quiet title" bullshit where pre-foreclosed, empty homes are taken over by some asshole who then lays claim to the house? Well, it's gone much too far now. Some asshole lay in wait and when a family left to visit a dying relative, he moved into their home, disposed of their belongings, and changed the locks. I feel guilty for the things I wish upon this scum. http://t.co/VEt9OlV1n2

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 09:11 PM (DmNpO)

414 #418: That's actually not a half-bad idea!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 09:12 PM (RGQmh)

415 Maybe with cheap drone fleets able to blot out the skies, countries can create responsive shields to nullify ICBMs.

Posted by: To Serve Man at December 03, 2013 09:14 PM (R6JT1)

416 I feel guilty for the things I wish upon this scum. >>

Do your wishes involve metheads, a reward and a damage deposit?

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 09:15 PM (DUGve)

417 yo RINOs holy cat crap and spam omelet I just found a cheerleader pic which is so 'interesting' the comments could get us banned going have to send it to DiT

Posted by: ncj at December 03, 2013 09:17 PM (JFrBt)

418 That is certainly something that no one wants to contemplate,Â” he continued. Â“If the people come to believe that the government is no longer constrained by the laws then they will conclude that neither are they.Â” I came to this conclusion a long time ago, but felt it was some Alansky (?) Point or somesuch ...

Posted by: Adriane... at December 03, 2013 09:18 PM (jdRXP)

419 ncj at December 04, 2013 01:17 AM (JFrBt) Happy Tuesday Night to you too ...

Posted by: Adriane... at December 03, 2013 09:20 PM (jdRXP)

420 NDH - no need {to feel guilty}.

Posted by: Adriane... at December 03, 2013 09:21 PM (jdRXP)

421 I've been looking for you NCJ. I thought of you: http://t.co/p8HCNxlmwz

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 09:22 PM (DmNpO)

422 NDH - no need {to feel guilty}. *** He's a predator. It's not even an abandoned house. He had to lay in wait for them to leave to pull that off.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 09:23 PM (DmNpO)

423 428 I am so buying that!! my wife will leave me but she's a titans fan so good riddance

Posted by: ncj at December 03, 2013 09:24 PM (JFrBt)

424 Â“If the people come to believe that the government is no longer constrained by the laws then they will conclude that neither are they.Â”>>

The "if" part is long gone for the Feds. I'll wait a little longer to see if there is a state the goes 10th to move to.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 09:24 PM (DUGve)

425 426 thank you thank you Nimitz is in town so I guess I should go try to get some drunk sailor cash

Posted by: ncj at December 03, 2013 09:25 PM (JFrBt)

426 432 goddamnit I just tossed garrett another low hanging curve I hope he's asleep

Posted by: ncj at December 03, 2013 09:26 PM (JFrBt)

427 Long day. Posted by: tangonine at December 04, 2013 12:21 AM (x3YFz) Sounds like an awesome woman. Thanks for sharing her memory with us.

Posted by: Mindy at December 03, 2013 09:27 PM (lCBX+)

428 Two term president Barack Obama is undeniable proof that anyone can be president. Posted by: Let me be clear ---------------- .... if they have the unqualified support of the media. It is the Media that are responsible.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 03, 2013 09:27 PM (aDwsi)

429 He's a predator. It's not even an abandoned house. He had to lay in wait for them to leave to pull that off.>>

I read that story and what pissed me off almost as bad. He put all their stuff in the street to be looted. He probably thought that helped his legal case. But WTF why is this prick not in jail for breaking and entering. Looting, he moved the stuff etc..

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 09:30 PM (DUGve)

430 >>> I should go try to get some drunk sailor cash So how do you spot a fellow 'Cubs fan'?

Posted by: fluffy at December 03, 2013 09:30 PM (Ua6T/)

431 I read that story and what pissed me off almost as bad. He put all their stuff in the street to be looted. He probably thought that helped his legal case. But WTF why is this prick not in jail for breaking and entering. Looting, he moved the stuff etc.. **** I wonder if homeowners insurance will pay for the loss of property? Still, some things can't be replaced.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 09:31 PM (DmNpO)

432 http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood Scroll down a bit to see a picture of Spike Lee looking like he escaped a Fat Albert cartoon.

Posted by: fluffy at December 03, 2013 09:32 PM (Ua6T/)

433 Nimitz is in town so I guess I should go try to get some drunk sailor cash>>

Three card Monty?

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 09:33 PM (DUGve)

434 437 So how do you spot a fellow 'Cubs fan'? I wait till may and look for people walking with their heads down in shame

Posted by: ncj at December 03, 2013 09:34 PM (JFrBt)

435 240 Il lance... et compte!

Tabernacle!

Posted by: bill-o at December 03, 2013 09:34 PM (AWwDY)

436 Sounds like an awesome woman. Thanks for sharing her memory with us.

Posted by: Mindy at December 04, 2013 01:27 AM (lCBX+)

Thank you Mindy. She was and is.

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 09:34 PM (x3YFz)

437 Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 04, 2013 01:04 AM (FvyJS) I have Hannity on, most of what The JEF has done has been Unconstitutional by overstepping laws he doesnÂ’t liked. If The SCOAMF is, as claimed, as Constitutional Lawyer, he should be impeached. I know it will never happen because of Â“racism.Â” To me it has absolutely nothing to do with race,, itÂ’s his out of control ignoring or chaining laws, the Constitutional lawyer should know that he canÂ’t do things like this. If he was a white republican and did things like this, Dem Congress would have impeachment threats in all forms of media. Issa has hearings,why? Why doesnÂ’t he appoint a special prosecutor?

Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2013 09:35 PM (z4WKX)

438
I thought Canada existed because an invader would have to come through us first.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Canada exists because it has nothing the USA wants or needs.

However, if that changes, the invasion will go like this:

"Dear Canadian Postal Customer: Your country has now been annexed by the USA. Your "province" is now your state, and your "postal code" is now your zip code. Taxes will be due on April 15th, and, by the way, get rid of that whole "speaking French" thing in Quebec, OK?"

Posted by: shibumi at December 03, 2013 09:35 PM (25HWz)

439 440 i'm a cabbie they're returning from deployment so they are flush with cash I hate to admit it but drunk sailors and cash do not stay together long no wonder T put me on an allowance when we first got engaged

Posted by: ncj at December 03, 2013 09:35 PM (JFrBt)

Posted by: bill-o at December 03, 2013 09:36 PM (AWwDY)

441 444 Issa has hearings,why? Why doesnÂ’t he appoint a special prosecutor? really? because RACISM

Posted by: ncj at December 03, 2013 09:36 PM (JFrBt)

442 I'm out, squirrels.

You gremlins behave or face the wrath of... well, shoot there's no wrath.

Just have a good night ; )

And get some sleep wtf are you doing up so late???

Posted by: tangonine at December 03, 2013 09:39 PM (x3YFz)

443 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2013 01:31 AM (DmNpO)>>

I could kinda respond to that first post. But now I will defer to your wisdom that the things I want to do or even say are beyond the pale.

The only thing is if this crap gains more than a Lottery winner statistic in takings one of these pricks will run into a Mafia type family.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 09:39 PM (DUGve)

444 I hate to admit it but drunk sailors and cash do not stay together long Yes ... but at least it's their money their spending and not mine ...

Posted by: Adriane... at December 03, 2013 09:41 PM (jdRXP)

445 Canada exists because it has nothing the USA wants or needs.>>

We would take Canada If Canadians would start charging us more for what we want than Americans do. Oh and if you didn't employ so many Americans to be the bosses to extract/make what we want.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 09:45 PM (DUGve)

446 429 NDH - no need {to feel guilty}.

***

He's a predator. It's not even an abandoned house. He had to lay in wait for them to leave to pull that off.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2013 01:23 AM (DmNpO)

In 2004, after many gyrations, we decided to remodel our kitchen and used a well-known contractor with a fancy showroom on the main drag of one of the tonier cities in Silicon Valley -- we'll just call them SKB. We checked references that the guy had given us and things seemed to be on the square....then we backloaded the contract so that the guy would always be incentivized to drive the project to completion.

November 11, they tore our old kitchen out down to the studs....and showed up with their hand out for another payment. "Ahem", says I, "your next payment is when you show me cabinets, and according to the schedule we discussed, you've got a buttload of work to do before then -- including framing, skylights, new walls, rough plumbing, rough electrical, and gas."

So they decided to freeze us out -- our kitchen was open to the attic, in November/December, and they didn't bother to show up. For weeks (we stapled plastic up to stop the drafts). When that didn't work, they threw together some half-assed cabinets out of scrap lumber and asked for money again. We gave 'em a punch-list of fixes on the cabinets and they disappeared.

While this was going on, we visited their shop discovered that county court records were online. Based on the number of jobs on their jobs board, an average job length of 10 weeks (as ours had been projected), and the number of lawsuits filed.....they were being sued for roughly 1/7 of their jobs. They weren't so much a contracting firm as a law firm that occasionally built things [in order to have good references].

And when we were extracting ourselves from that mess (we ended up firing them, I finished the job myself with a handyman guy I knew, and we filed a "Notice of Completion" and held our breaths for a year), we discovered that the principal of the firm was engaged in exactly the scam you describe -- it really stood out because it was in the lawsuit database, but he was the plaintiff.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 09:46 PM (T1005)

447 Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 01:46 AM (T1005)

Oh, and BTW -- I'd rather this guy were POTUS rather than who we've got now.....at least he knew how to make something work.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 09:51 PM (T1005)

448 Three card Monty? DOOM, DOOMER, DOOMEST!!!

Posted by: Adriane... at December 03, 2013 09:52 PM (jdRXP)

449 455 Three card Monty?

DOOM,
DOOMER,
DOOMEST!!!

Posted by: Adriane... at December 04, 2013 01:52 AM (jdRXP)

Heh.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 09:54 PM (T1005)

450 http://spectator.org/articles/56941/grandma-obamacare. Obamacare grandmother is none other than Hillary Clinton. What happened in almost 20 years I remember everyone being POÂ’d at it & nothing happened with it. Why did it pass, dems controlling Senate & House in 2009-2010?

Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2013 09:54 PM (z4WKX)

451 it really stood out because it was in the lawsuit database, but he was the plaintiff.>>

Wow you can make somebodys house unlivable. And then take it under this law?

The whole thing here is fucked up but Im old enough to remember when "The Police" (now called cops and pigs) did the "community work" since they knew the players. Crap didn't go to court if the policeman didn't think it should (and could work it out). But it's all black and white now and Cops are just soldiers rounding up alqueda for the courts to adjudicate.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 03, 2013 09:57 PM (DUGve)

452 Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 01:46 AM (T1005) *** Geez! Imagine how many people they've actually gotten over on that way.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 10:12 PM (DmNpO)

453 South Park:Bigger, Longer, Uncut on now

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2013 10:14 PM (DmNpO)

454 458 it really stood out because it was in the lawsuit database, but he was the plaintiff.>>

Wow you can make somebodys house unlivable. And then take it under this law?

The whole thing here is fucked up but Im old enough to remember when "The Police" (now called cops and pigs) did the "community work" since they knew the players. Crap didn't go to court if the policeman didn't think it should (and could work it out). But it's all black and white now and Cops are just soldiers rounding up alqueda for the courts to adjudicate.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 04, 2013 01:57 AM (DUGve)

In the particular case of the schmuck I had to deal with, I believe that he pounced when an older couple who owned a property passed away. Particularly with rentals, a family overwhelmed with grief might take a while to inventory all the real estate owned by a decedent.....especially if there was a long illness involved where things might have gotten more muddled.

There is, BTW, a social good in having rules for orderly transfers of abandoned property. As usual, however, strict scrutiny at the margins of these rules is eminently justified.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 10:17 PM (T1005)

455 "Stanley Young, spokesman for the Air Resources Board, said that California should 'make sure low-income people can also get into these clean vehicles.'" A warning to the rest of the country: This is what you get when Democrats are basically running the show unopposed.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 03, 2013 10:19 PM (VVsZ2)

456 Roses are red, Violets are flowers, I'd like to be the Goddess of Justice, With awesome super powers ... prolly not happening any time soon, So I will politely wish everyone Good Night, Good Health, Good Neighbors, and Simple Goodness ...

Posted by: Adriane... at December 03, 2013 10:21 PM (jdRXP)

457 458 it really stood out because it was in the lawsuit database, but he was the plaintiff.>>

Wow you can make somebodys house unlivable. And then take it under this law?

The whole thing here is fucked up but Im old enough to remember when "The Police" (now called cops and pigs) did the "community work" since they knew the players. Crap didn't go to court if the policeman didn't think it should (and could work it out). But it's all black and white now and Cops are just soldiers rounding up alqueda for the courts to adjudicate.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 04, 2013 01:57 AM (DUGve)

I think Heinlein had the original, but in college we used to say: "There are five grades of police: gentlemen, peacekeepers, cops, pigs, and assholes -- and you'd be uncommonly lucky to find better than grade 4 in LA."

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 10:21 PM (T1005)

458 Cooth - I hope you got the plants in the green house. It looks like we're getting "it" day or so after you ...

Posted by: Adriane... at December 03, 2013 10:22 PM (jdRXP)

459 459 Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 01:46 AM (T1005)

***

Geez! Imagine how many people they've actually gotten over on that way.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2013 02:12 AM (DmNpO)

The thing is, do you realize how many people you have to rip-off in order to get sued? If he was sued for 1 out of 7, 2 more out of 7 were ripped-off, and another 2 felt they were getting what they signed up for, but weren't necessarily happy about it and wouldn't do it again.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 10:24 PM (T1005)

460 Tonights teaser trailer

Raylan shoots Dewey Crowe

's pool

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 03, 2013 10:29 PM (DL2i+)

461 465 Cooth - I hope you got the plants in the green house. It looks like we're getting "it" day or so after you ...

Posted by: Adriane... at December 04, 2013 02:22 AM (jdRXP)

Did a final check and zipped 'em at about 3:30. It's 44 here now -- and they're now saying it'll bottom at 35 instead of the 32 they said yesterday.....but it's definitely lurched downward.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 10:29 PM (T1005)

462

On the 'quiet title' guy.

He is restricting his work to a small area on the N side of Cincinnati. Of, I believe 11 cases, he has been charged with breaking and entering on 1 case. Trial set for March (IIRC)

The particular area he has targeted is an older neighborhood, with lower to low-middle income families. Most won't have the $ to get their own lawyers, and it doesn't appear to be very high on the police radar (as evidenced by only 1 charge so far)

The neighborhood also staddles the county line for Hamilton / Butler counties. It appears that he has filed his quiet title paperwork in both counties for some of the homes - leading to some more confusion.

I'm watching fairly closely, as this is almost in my backyard.

Posted by: PMRich at December 03, 2013 10:34 PM (KDUNf)

463 453 My first job was a gas jockey and the manager had an iron clad rule -- never take a check from a contractor. Sadly, their reputation hasn't improved any over the last 40+ years.

Two possible laws come into play on the home possession piece of shit thievery -- mechanic's lien and adverse possession/abandonment. A mechanic's lien comes into play most often on a car someone's worked on, and the customer doesn't want to pay the bill. They take ownership of the car, often in conjunction with the title holder/lender through the courts. But I think there's a contractor version that can be used on homeowners.

Abandonment works like this -- Say you've built a fence on your property over the property line of a neighboring piece of property. Now say the proper length of time goes by, like 10 years, with no objection to the fence placement from the other owner. You can file to have the boundary of your fenced property changed to reflect the fact that the other owner 'abandoned' it. No payment to the former owner is required.

Another way to acquire a property is by buying up delinquent property tax liens. If the delinquent owner doesn't reimburse you plus interest plus costs within a given time frame, they lose the home.

Those are the 3 ways I know of; maybe there's another. You know, it's damn near impossible to make through life in the US without needing the services of a lawyer at least once.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 10:35 PM (wNF3N)

464 As a side note, I was planning on leaving all my Australian dendrobiums out this winter, 'cause they're supposed to be good down to 20 degrees or something, but now I'm thinking I should probably tuck some into the greenhouses just in case.

For any of you who are interested, these are the junkyard dogs of orchids -- species like Dendrobium kingianum and the ilk -- and they really do seem to thrive on abuse. The bad news is that the flowers are only about 3/8" across -- but they throw 'em in sprays. If you can grow tree ferns, they do great if you stuff 'em in the pocket on the trunk when you've cut away a dead frond.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 10:42 PM (T1005)

465 470 453 My first job was a gas jockey and the manager had an iron clad rule -- never take a check from a contractor. Sadly, their reputation hasn't improved any over the last 40+ years.

Two possible laws come into play on the home possession piece of shit thievery -- mechanic's lien and adverse possession/abandonment. A mechanic's lien comes into play most often on a car someone's worked on, and the customer doesn't want to pay the bill. They take ownership of the car, often in conjunction with the title holder/lender through the courts. But I think there's a contractor version that can be used on homeowners.

Abandonment works like this -- Say you've built a fence on your property over the property line of a neighboring piece of property. Now say the proper length of time goes by, like 10 years, with no objection to the fence placement from the other owner. You can file to have the boundary of your fenced property changed to reflect the fact that the other owner 'abandoned' it. No payment to the former owner is required.

Another way to acquire a property is by buying up delinquent property tax liens. If the delinquent owner doesn't reimburse you plus interest plus costs within a given time frame, they lose the home.

Those are the 3 ways I know of; maybe there's another. You know, it's damn near impossible to make through life in the US without needing the services of a lawyer at least once.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2013 02:35 AM (wNF3N)

Contractors, by necessity, work in that area described by Tennyson as "Nature, red in tooth and claw." To protect them, the "mechanic's lien" was created. One might think this was another Progressive wet dream pushed by FDR, but it actually dates back much farther and has Jefferson as an early advocate....which is probably why it's a pain-in-the-ass but workable in its native form.

To start with, it has nothing to do with being a mechanic. What it says is those who furnish labor or materials to a property can have a claim to the augmented property if the owner knew they were contributing and they were not paid.

Sounds good so far....but when we're talking real estate, it gets weird. Let's say a renter decides to put up a new fence to split the backyard. How the hell does the owner know? Does this add value to the property? What if the fence-builder called the lumber company and said, "drop these boards on this driveway" -- who knows where they came from? So what you get is a meticulously coordinated dance of lien releases when everyone is a stranger, that are normally waived when folks have a history, that come back to bite everyone in the ass when one of the guys that everyone has a history with goes belly-up.

And, BTW, I was in a situation where a subcontractor told me "those were my guys (employees can't do mechanics' liens)" when they were, in fact, a sub-subcontractor, and I had to pay for something twice.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 11:02 PM (T1005)

466 So I went to sleep because I didn't feel good. I haven't felt good since 1989, which is long time. It has been getting worse, much worse in the last few years since my dad died & I take care of my (literally) crazy mother. My mother who decides she wants to look for something when I am sleeping, and wakes me up. Ugh. My father was a saint to put up with this person (who couldn't be bothered to give him food or water for 3 days, which is what sent him to the hospital the last time). That said, I m SO HAPPY that Dear Leader is now below 40% approval in RCP!!!

Posted by: Baldy at December 03, 2013 11:04 PM (2bql3)

467 So it begins. Obama I has spoken that he shall not repeal ObamaCare. This is the ultimate spell, the ultimate Wordsmith Spell. Effectively, Obama I has spoken that ObamaCare shall not be repealed. This spell cannot be broken, for if it is, the world ends. But surely such power does not exist: Obama I actually is, both literally and figuratively, the most powerful man in the world, Academia his loyal advisors and wisemen, and the Press his most loyal bodyguard. So Obama I has spoken (and written!!) ... so let it be done. But ObamaCare is worse than a fraud; it simply does not work. The absolute failure of the 404Care website aside, we see the repercussions of the spell: People really are losing health care, not just health insurance; the cost of ObamaCare policies is ... unaffordable, and the deductibles render them useless; physicians, the coin of this realm, really are being taken out of circulation and effectively out of business; and rumors arise of financial advisors recommending to insurance providers that they get out of and avoid ObamaCare. The Wordsmiths are, of course, completely wrong. Merely speaking that such a thing shall exist is meaningful only if one has the knowledge, money and power to make that thing exist, and that the thing to be created can in fact exist, given, among other things, Reality, Natural Laws and Math. Ye canna change the Laws o' Physics. Or Math. Obama I has spoken the ObamaCare spell. It is crumbling and people are staying away ... and not even all The Narcissist's Academics and all The Narcissist's Organizers and all The Narcissist's Journalists can put ObamaCare back together again. I think a repeal of ObamaCare will happen late-May and July 2014. If Congress does not over-ride a veto, then I think the Senate flips to R and the House becomes even more R, and we try the whole process again in January. Interesting questions appear: 1. Will Obama I accept repeal? He backed down on Syria. 2. Alternatively, what happens if Obama I's veto is over-ridden? 3. Will Congress simply take over running the country until November 2016? Congress likely needs some poking, and reminders that November 2014 is less than a year away.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 03, 2013 11:04 PM (FlRtG)

468 Night all. Here is an early version of "Ruckzuck" by the pre-Kraftwerk band Organisation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eB-sl6ZLpo

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 03, 2013 11:05 PM (Vk2pI)

469 Posted by: Arbalest at December 04, 2013 03:04 AM (FlRtG)

World's easiest slam-dunk bet: something will happen with Obamacare by midsummer 2014.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 11:10 PM (T1005)

470

Evening morons. My first of 23 shifts this month, all 12 hours. It's likely to drive me mad.

Today, my niece found a bag of pot in our kitchen. No one in my home uses. Which means that one of the people we had in over the past week to clean or take care of our dogs left approximately 2 ounces of finely ground pot just sitting in the middle of my house, in arm's reach of the computer where my niece does her online classes, and we are expecting a home inspection in the next few weeks so we can adopt her. This, is some f*cked-up sh*t. Mrs. Crank has since flushed the contraband on advice of her uncle, who used to work narcotics for the State Police.

I don't expect any advice on this, since I can prove nothing and naturally all parties deny responsibility, but I had to share.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at December 03, 2013 11:14 PM (b2cFu)

471 476 cthulhu World's easiest slam-dunk bet: something will happen with Obamacare by midsummer 2014. Yes, and I think it's Repeal. But more importantly is what Obama I will do ... will he accept the loss of Obama Care or fight, and in either case, how will it play out?

Posted by: Arbalest at December 03, 2013 11:15 PM (FlRtG)

472 477
Evening morons. My first of 23 shifts this month, all 12 hours. It's likely to drive me mad.

Today, my niece found a bag of pot in our kitchen. No one in my home uses. Which means that one of the people we had in over the past week to clean or take care of our dogs left approximately 2 ounces of finely ground pot just sitting in the middle of my house, in arm's reach of the computer where my niece does her online classes, and we are expecting a home inspection in the next few weeks so we can adopt her. This, is some f*cked-up sh*t. Mrs. Crank has since flushed the contraband on advice of her uncle, who used to work narcotics for the State Police.

I don't expect any advice on this, since I can prove nothing and naturally all parties deny responsibility, but I had to share.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at December 04, 2013 03:14 AM (b2cFu)

There are two very ambiguous bits in there. First, "one of the people we had in over the past week to clean or take care of our dogs" -- er, just how many people does that include? And, second, "we can adopt her" -- does this refer to one of the dogs, the niece, or one of the people from the first question?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 11:20 PM (T1005)

473 476 Posted by: Arbalest at December 04, 2013 03:04 AM (FlRtG)

World's easiest slam-dunk bet: something will happen with Obamacare by midsummer 2014.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 03:10 AM (T1005)

===

I caution you to set a very slow clock for all of this. It will drag on and on and on and on ....... and on ......

It will be horrible for our country, but embedded is actually something I find a joy as well. The leftists will have this thing grinding their guts in a tortuous fashion and nothing will ease their pain. Once their circular firing squads get going in full plumage the spectacle will be some of the best entertainment of all time.

Karma is a bitch and they have damn well earned it.

Posted by: jc at December 03, 2013 11:21 PM (PlzOe)

474 Posted by: Arbalest at December 04, 2013 03:04 AM (FlRtG)

I hope you are right. I think you are, though I doubt the 2014 timeframe for repeal. But the Congressional testimony yesterday of Michael Cannon, Cato Institute's director of health policy, about the possibility of armed revolt if TFG doesn't quit ignoring laws is telling.

Think about that. Someone raised that possibility to Congress. It's in the Congressional Record forever, or until LiB/SMOD happens.

Shit status -- Too real for comfort.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 11:25 PM (wNF3N)

475 Oh, wow....weather underground is currently showing the high for Thursday and Saturday to be 49/47, respectively. I guess there's some weather moving through.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 11:25 PM (T1005)

476 480 476
Posted by: Arbalest at December 04, 2013 03:04 AM (FlRtG)

World's easiest slam-dunk bet: something will happen with Obamacare by midsummer 2014.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 03:10 AM (T1005)

===I caution you to set a very slow clock for all of this. It will drag on and on and on and on ....... and on ......
It will be horrible for our country, but embedded is actually something I find a joy as well. The leftists will have this thing grinding their guts in a tortuous fashion and nothing will ease their pain. Once their circular firing squads get going in full plumage the spectacle will be some of the best entertainment of all time.
Karma is a bitch and they have damn well earned it.

Posted by: jc at December 04, 2013 03:21 AM (PlzOe)

I have this problem all the time -- there's an event and I go, "oh, shit -- X -> Z" and the next day Z rallies. And Z tests new records a week later. And months later, Z keeps bumping along, despite Moody's downgrades and suckwad guidance. Sooner or later, reality votes.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 11:28 PM (T1005)

477 Something will happen with Obamacare as soon as the site works well enough that people are able to see the actual cost of their new pretty policies. The non-working site is the only thing saving Obama's ass right now.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2013 11:32 PM (1Y+hH)

478 481 Posted by: Arbalest at December 04, 2013 03:04 AM (FlRtG)

I hope you are right. I think you are, though I doubt the 2014 timeframe for repeal. But the Congressional testimony yesterday of Michael Cannon, Cato Institute's director of health policy, about the possibility of armed revolt if TFG doesn't quit ignoring laws is telling.

Think about that. Someone raised that possibility to Congress. It's in the Congressional Record forever, or until LiB/SMOD happens.

Shit status -- Too real for comfort.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2013 03:25 AM (wNF3N)

All three branches of government are briskly turning the Congressional Record into smeared toilet paper. Why should testimony make a difference?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 11:33 PM (T1005)

479 One of the weird things about the coming months is that people on the right are going to have to abandon their decency when it comes to "I told you so--'s" and forgive and forget--'s.

Phrases like "anyone that is stupid enough, gullible enough, or mean enough to have ....." have to be used like baseball bats on the sides of skulls -- even after it seems needlessly cruel.

Posted by: jc at December 03, 2013 11:37 PM (PlzOe)

480 >> Why should testimony make a difference?

Because it is a massive level up -- the final level. This ain't talk of impeachment, or resigning, or vetoing....peaceful transition. The way things have gone for over 230 years.

You might even say -- unprecedented.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2013 11:39 PM (wNF3N)

481 480 jc ===I caution you to set a very slow clock for all of this. It will drag on and on and on and on ....... and on ...... It will be horrible for our country, ... I think people will die because of health care denial. I'd really like to see stories about such people being saved by others who step in and provide care, etc., and highlight the failure of ObamaCare. I also want to see the RINOs prevented from mollifying the results of ObamaCare. They need to let it hit the bridge abutment. My concern about the time frame is that, like gas prices, if we let it go on, we become accustomed to it. Who considers gas at $3.46 cheap? We all do (here in San Jose- Oakland-SF), because we've seen the pull-back from $4.30 or so. But why is gas no longer $1.85? Further, Summer 2014 is a good time to charge the hill. Election 2014 is THE WEAPON; Hillary! aside, 2016 might be too late. Force the D's in congress to take a stand on ObamaCare ... bathe them in it, and its results. Make Harry Reid act on Repeal, or at least be seen to avoid it. Flip the Senate. Finally, if Obama I accepts repeal, what happens? If he is over-ridden, what happens? Given his use of EOs and general flouting of US law, this is an important question, particularly if the Senate becomes R. We seem to be seeing an ugly side of government.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 03, 2013 11:40 PM (FlRtG)

482 484 Something will happen with Obamacare as soon as the site works well enough that people are able to see the actual cost of their new pretty policies.

The non-working site is the only thing saving Obama's ass right now.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 04, 2013 03:32 AM (1Y+hH)

===

all true, but it will unfold really slowly. your patience will be tested.

a lot of crow has been served -- don't expect anyone to eat it very fast.

Posted by: jc at December 03, 2013 11:40 PM (PlzOe)

483 212 #178: Hey, Gingy! I hope Weirddave didn't mind me hitting on you the way I did the other night (He's your husband, right? He addressed a comment at me that seemed to indicate this). I didn't mean anything by it; I just think it's fun to throw cheesy pick-up lines at the Moronettes. If I find out one's married, that tends to put a stop to it. Also, actually meeting the Moronette in question, even if she's single, tends to put a stop to it, as she becomes more "real" to me and my old romantic hesitancy problem kicks in. Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 11:36 PM (RGQmh) I growled, but I didn't bite(I could have bitten, in fact I started to, but deleted that part). I don't mind online flirting, it's how I met Gingy (tho in our case it was her insulting me. Ahh, love is a many splendored thing.). I love and trust Gingy completely, and that means letting Gingy the person handle stuff on her very capable own. Take this jackass in her yoga class for example. I could beat him with an iron (or titanium) crowbar*. I would, eagerly, he tried to touch my wife's pussy because he views her as a female THING that he'd like to fuck for his own satisfaction. Doing so would diminish Gingy. She's an adult, she handled the situation, there's no reason for my male pride and bravado to override her very capable self**. Your flirting post was puppy-like by comparison, it doesn't even come up on the radar (but I admire your quoted post. Fun's fun, you recognized you may have strayed outside of accepted boundaries, and you acknowledged that. If we ever meet, the first beer's on me.). *And I will if he doesn't get the message. Not literally, but brother, I can and will ruin his life. Isn't the internet, online world wonderful? And if that's not enough, there's always the crowbar. **He's a white male. My wife is a poor, sexually harassed immigrant female just trying to make her way through college in America to better herself. I despise the politically correct victim mentality that seeks to separate everyone into oppressed groups. Despise it utterly, it's killing the country, if it hasn't already. That doesn't mean I can't or won't use it to it's fullest against this asshole. He reached out and attempted to touch my wife's pussy on a college campus. His balls are resting gently in our hands, weather he realizes it or not. Gingy is nicer than I am, she's willing to let it go with her slap of him. It's her decision, and I support her fully, but if he's stupid enough to push.......we'll SQUEEEEEEZE!

Posted by: Weirddave at December 03, 2013 11:42 PM (N/cFh)

484

But the Congressional testimony yesterday of Michael Cannon,
Cato Institute's director of health policy, about the possibility of
armed revolt if TFG doesn't quit ignoring laws is telling

My biggest worry about testimony like this is:

Despite Obama's claim that he is not an idealogue (laughable at best) - he is of the worst kind, one who would rather the entire world go up in flames rather than admit defeat on this issue. The fact that someone has now uttered the 'armed revolt' words - in Congress - Obama will have (what he and all of his loyal followers believe) complete justification for an 'emergency power' grab.

In today's militarized police state, how many police officers do you trust to serve and protect the people instead of the powers that be?

Posted by: PMRich at December 03, 2013 11:49 PM (KDUNf)

485 490 212 #178: Hey, Gingy! I hope Weirddave didn't mind me hitting on you the way I did the other night (He's your husband, right? He addressed a comment at me that seemed to indicate this). I didn't mean anything by it; I just think it's fun to throw cheesy pick-up lines at the Moronettes. If I find out one's married, that tends to put a stop to it.

Also, actually meeting the Moronette in question, even if she's single, tends to put a stop to it, as she becomes more "real" to me and my old romantic hesitancy problem kicks in.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 03, 2013 11:36 PM (RGQmh)
I growled, but I didn't bite(I could have bitten, in fact I started to, but deleted that part). I don't mind online flirting, it's how I met Gingy (tho in our case it was her insulting me. Ahh, love is a many splendored thing.). I love and trust Gingy completely, and that means letting Gingy the person handle stuff on her very capable own. Take this jackass in her yoga class for example. I could beat him with an iron (or titanium) crowbar*. I would, eagerly, he tried to touch my wife's pussy because he views her as a female THING that he'd like to fuck for his own satisfaction. Doing so would diminish Gingy. She's an adult, she handled the situation, there's no reason for my male pride and bravado to override her very capable self**. Your flirting post was puppy-like by comparison, it doesn't even come up on the radar (but I admire your quoted post. Fun's fun, you recognized you may have strayed outside of accepted boundaries, and you acknowledged that. If we ever meet, the first beer's on me.).

*And I will if he doesn't get the message. Not literally, but brother, I can and will ruin his life. Isn't the internet, online world wonderful? And if that's not enough, there's always the crowbar.

**He's a white male. My wife is a poor, sexually harassed immigrant female just trying to make her way through college in America to better herself. I despise the politically correct victim mentality that seeks to separate everyone into oppressed groups. Despise it utterly, it's killing the country, if it hasn't already. That doesn't mean I can't or won't use it to it's fullest against this asshole. He reached out and attempted to touch my wife's pussy on a college campus. His balls are resting gently in our hands, weather he realizes it or not. Gingy is nicer than I am, she's willing to let it go with her slap of him. It's her decision, and I support her fully, but if he's stupid enough to push.......we'll SQUEEEEEEZE!

Posted by: Weirddave at December 04, 2013 03:42 AM (N/cFh)

Well understood in all significant respects....and if you need a couple of shovels and some bags of lime, the only thing that's limiting that is my flying out there.

Gingy is of the Horde. Tribal rules apply.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 11:50 PM (T1005)

486 My wife is a poor, sexually harassed immigrant female just trying to make her way through college in America to better herself.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 04, 2013 03:42 AM (N/cFh)

Once you've had a couple of kids with her and settled into a nice family lifestyle, isn't it time to stop talking about your relationship as harassment? </sarc>

Posted by: cthulhu at December 03, 2013 11:55 PM (T1005)

487 I'll harass YOU, you numpty, but I got to go to bed. 'Nite.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 03, 2013 11:57 PM (N/cFh)

488 I don't expect any advice on this, since I can prove nothing and naturally all parties deny responsibility, but I had to share.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at December 04, 2013 03:14 AM (b2cFu)

Share?? You didn't share jack shit, you flushed it. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2013 11:58 PM (FMbng)

489 One of the great divides between the right and the stupid left

***(making a division between the evil left and the stupid left -- which is actually an arbitrary line cuz the outcome is most often the same when they gain power) ***

anyway, a great divide between the right and the stupid left can be found in the word 'consequences' -- because the stupid left denies that consequences actually exist, or that they can be wished away.

The consequences of the left's actions prior to now cannot be stopped -- at best they can be mitigated -- but they will occur, and probably with full force. All along the way it will be very frustrating because the most a conservative can do now is look at the dumbasses and say:

"look asshole, when I told you there would be consequences, that is because there are always consequences regardless of your fairy-tale belief system. -- I didn't cause these consequences -- you did. And, I can't stop them, because I am not magic any more than you are -- that is why I tried so hard to get you to listen when you were calling me racist and stupid.

"So now we are all going to live with the consequences of your actions. The only hope is maybe you can learn something and stop being such an enormous asshole.

"By the way -- I told you so, and fuck off."

Posted by: jc at December 03, 2013 11:59 PM (PlzOe)

490 Holy crap it's verbose mode tonight on the ONT.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 04, 2013 12:00 AM (X9Mnx)

491 PMRich, I really don't think an "armed revolt" is how things will break down. I would go with 1. Another banking crisis, that this time gets out of control. ATMs dry up, VISA shuts down and things get ugly in areas where people aren't prepared, general higher population densities. 2. Some Iranian or NOrk cooks off an HEMP weapon, wrecking havoc on the civilian infrastructure and things get ugly in areas where people aren't .... 3. Obama does something really stupid, like double the gas tax or try the trillion dollar coin trick via bureaucratic fiat leading to civil disobienece like blocking the highways and knocking out high voltage power lines, and then things get ugly in areas ... 4. China goes into an economic meltdown, leading to #1 and #2 or 5. Middle East goes white hot, Obama pisses off Putin and it gets out

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 12:02 AM (cLM8I)

492 496 One of the great divides between the right and the stupid left

***(making a division between the evil left and the stupid left -- which is actually an arbitrary line cuz the outcome is most often the same when they gain power) ***

anyway, a great divide between the right and the stupid left can be found in the word 'consequences' -- because the stupid left denies that consequences actually exist, or that they can be wished away.

The consequences of the left's actions prior to now cannot be stopped -- at best they can be mitigated -- but they will occur, and probably with full force. All along the way it will be very frustrating because the most a conservative can do now is look at the dumbasses and say:

"look asshole, when I told you there would be consequences, that is because there are always consequences regardless of your fairy-tale belief system. -- I didn't cause these consequences -- you did. And, I can't stop them, because I am not magic any more than you are -- that is why I tried so hard to get you to listen when you were calling me racist and stupid.

"So now we are all going to live with the consequences of your actions. The only hope is maybe you can learn something and stop being such an enormous asshole.

"By the way -- I told you so, and fuck off."

Posted by: jc at December 04, 2013 03:59 AM (PlzOe)

Shorter jc:

Progs: Fuck something up; claim that readily-predicted consequences aren't the inevitable result of the fuckup; repeat.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 12:03 AM (T1005)

493

Cthulhu, we have one person who has been our dog trainer for a year and a half, and we trust her implicitly. Frankly, there's no sensible reason for her to bring pot over because when she is at the house, she's running ragged trying to manage the 6 dogs plus the other sundry pets, she wouldn't have time to sit back and smoke a bowl. Our housekeeper is pregnant and has had horrible morning sickness, and a mutual acquaintance confirms that she used to use pot. Plus, the area where we found it is not one where our trainer would have reason to be but the housekeeper would. Of course, since my niece, Mrs. Crank and myself all handled the bag already, its evidentiary value would be squat.

The adoption is of my niece (technically, Mrs. Crank's half-sister's granddaughter), who is coming from all kinds of f*cked-up stuff in her background that makes her challenging, to say the least. Although she would sound an easy suspect, she doesn't realistically have any unsupervised time away from Mrs. Crank, and also who the hell would give a 13 year old 2 ounces of pot that she has no money for?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at December 04, 2013 12:04 AM (b2cFu)

494 I don't mind online flirting, it's how I met Gingy (tho in our case it was her insulting me. Ahh, love is a many splendored thing.).

Posted by: Weirddave at December 04, 2013 03:42 AM (N/cFh)

Ah, guess I'm not alone. I said a day or so ago that this past thanksgiving at a party I got totally hit on and insulted in the same frigging sentence. I wasn't sure that was even possible. How does that even work?

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 04, 2013 12:06 AM (FMbng)

495 Heh. The heat just kicked into overdrive.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 12:07 AM (T1005)

496 "also who the hell would give a 13 year old 2 ounces of pot that she has no money for?" There is a long list of assholes who would. Personally, I would piss test her, but I'm an uncaring ass according to my wife.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 12:08 AM (cLM8I)

497 Sorry, it's insensitive ass

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 12:11 AM (cLM8I)

498 502 Heh. The heat just kicked into overdrive. Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 04:07 AM (T1005) It will do that right before a blower motor gives out

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 12:13 AM (cLM8I)

499 Shorter jc:

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 04:03 AM (T1005)

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I am working on a movie review.

Posted by: jc at December 04, 2013 12:20 AM (PlzOe)

500 500
Cthulhu, we have one person who has been our dog trainer for a year and a half, and we trust her implicitly. Frankly, there's no sensible reason for her to bring pot over because when she is at the house, she's running ragged trying to manage the 6 dogs plus the other sundry pets, she wouldn't have time to sit back and smoke a bowl. Our housekeeper is pregnant and has had horrible morning sickness, and a mutual acquaintance confirms that she used to use pot. Plus, the area where we found it is not one where our trainer would have reason to be but the housekeeper would. Of course, since my niece, Mrs. Crank and myself all handled the bag already, its evidentiary value would be squat.

The adoption is of my niece (technically, Mrs. Crank's half-sister's granddaughter), who is coming from all kinds of f*cked-up stuff in her background that makes her challenging, to say the least. Although she would sound an easy suspect, she doesn't realistically have any unsupervised time away from Mrs. Crank, and also who the hell would give a 13 year old 2 ounces of pot that she has no money for?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at December 04, 2013 04:04 AM (b2cFu)

Y'see....there isn't even that much confusion. Have a talk with the housekeeper and tell her that she might find pot from persons unknown around the place, and how that puts your life (e.g. adoption) in grave danger and that it must be eradicated. That will frighten her into not leaving it around.

Then have a talk with niece saying that you think the housekeeper or dogtrainer left some around and how it could really mess things up.

Then have a talk with the dogtrainer about how maybe the dogs should sniff out contraband so it can be promptly flushed.

At the end of the day, you'll have a system that will not bring their own shit onto your property, and will promptly flush anything brought in by someone else.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 12:21 AM (T1005)

501 497 >> Holy crap it's verbose mode tonight on the ONT.

Come on in HP; the water's fine.

Mine's in the form of ice, surrounded by Val-U-Rite and Mountain Dew.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2013 12:34 AM (wNF3N)

502 His description of Havana reminds me of schlepping in eastern europe right after the wall fell. Nothing to buy. Nothing in the stores. Streets scary empty in the evenings.

Posted by: Penis Loves Vagina at December 04, 2013 12:35 AM (kkbgQ)

503

My immediate thought about the 'armed revolt' statement was this is exactly the kind of rhetoric will fan the flames for gun control measures.

The banking issue is always a risk right now, better to have some trade goods / valuables at home and locked down. You are right to point out that the more densely populated areas would go crazy.

Nork or Iranian HEMP, fortunately they don't have reliable delivery systems yet, but Obama is working on that.

Re: Doing something really stupid

coin http://tinyurl.com/m5juycr

gas tax http://tinyurl.com/lf5zstw

So, yeah. I can see that

China economy meltdown. If we falter any more there will be a China crisis, as they are too heavily invested in selling to us. How it's held on this long is beyond me, I still know people that buy everything on credit - not a care in the world

Middle East - those people have been at each others throats since Abram left Sur for this nice little place between the river and the ocean. Modern weapons haven't dramatically increased the body count, but Obama is playing to the crazy crowd - I never thought I would see the Israelis and the Saudis in alignment.

Posted by: PMRich at December 04, 2013 12:36 AM (KDUNf)

504 Cthulhu, I'm not confused, I'm 95% certain it was the housekeeper. Of course, since we were sending text messages out to everyone involved all afternoon and evening, everyone knows we're going to be hypervigilant about this.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at December 04, 2013 12:36 AM (b2cFu)

505 "also who the hell would give a 13 year old 2 ounces of pot that she has no money for?" No kidding. The boys at the playground can be had for an eighth.

Posted by: Harry Reid at December 04, 2013 12:41 AM (X9Mnx)

506 511 Cthulhu, I'm not confused, I'm 95% certain it was the housekeeper. Of course, since we were sending text messages out to everyone involved all afternoon and evening, everyone knows we're going to be hypervigilant about this.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at December 04, 2013 04:36 AM (b2cFu)

I didn't think you were after @500. I was just trying to propose a stance that's work with all involved parties -- but it seems you're all over that.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 12:42 AM (T1005)

507 Finally, if Obama I accepts repeal, what happens? If he is over-ridden, what happens? Given his use of EOs and general flouting of US law, this is an important question, particularly if the Senate becomes R. We seem to be seeing an ugly side of government. Posted by: Arbalest at December 04, 2013 03:40 AM He flipped on Syria because he doesn't mind giving in to actual terrorists. But fellow Americans who believe in freedom and fiscal sanity? We're an existential threat to totalitarianism, marxism, and all the other -isms obama holds dear. The only way he backs down is if pelosi and reid force him to, which I think highly unlikely. Hell, he's not even going to listen when the little people he claims to love so much start with the real weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. (All we've seen is a small preview, which the administration has waved a dismissive hand at.) There's no way he's overridden unless the Rs control both chambers -- which won't be before Jan 2015 (when the election's winners actually take office) -- and even then, I just don't see the establishment Rs pushing repeal. They want obamacare as much as the Ds do, since it'll mean somewhere down the line they'll gain power, money, and influence. FFS, the establishment Rs want to help the Ds push amnesty through! Do you really think they'll suddenly give a fuck what WE want to push repeal of o-care? Look, the lines have been drawn: there's the people fighting for freedom -- us -- and there's the establishment Rs and Ds, who are all about controlling us and farming us for the tax money they can squeeze out of us. That's the argument we need to start making, whether "we" is the Tea Party or just conservatives. WE have to give people the message that this is a fight between the people who want to control you and tax you to death versus those who want you to be free and successful. Finally, the Ds have proven they can steal elections, so I'm not holding my breath that the Rs somehow manage to take the Senate and strengthen their hold on the House. Not to mention that the establishment Rs are hellbent on fighting conservatives instead of obama and the dems, which means an R takeover is even less likely. We'll get no relief through the ballot box, I fear. The establishment Rs aren't going to suddenly grow cajones and stand up to all the unconstitutional shit the Ds are pulling. The media will largely be Pravda, US, just like they've been for the past five years. And the courts? Yeah, that ain't happening either. I agree with the CATO dude... we're heading for revolution, because that's the only option the progressives in both parties are leaving us.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 12:42 AM (GNZ0/)

508 Nork or Iranian HEMP, fortunately they don't have reliable delivery systems yet, but Obama is working on that. Cessna is as well

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 12:50 AM (cLM8I)

509 I agree with the CATO dude... we're heading for revolution, because that's the only option the progressives in both parties are leaving us.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 04:42 AM (GNZ0/)

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so what do you predict in terms of escalations?

Posted by: jc at December 04, 2013 12:52 AM (PlzOe)

510 I'm not convinced that Greg Gutfeld is a Moron, but he did just play the Fox News reverse psychology card with respect to Fox News on The Five re-run.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 04, 2013 12:55 AM (X9Mnx)

511 I'm still relishing the thread below this one, particularly the title:

Obama: Hey America, Suck My Dick

Very subtle point made.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2013 12:57 AM (wNF3N)

512 "I agree with the CATO dude... we're heading for revolution, because that's the only option the progressives in both parties are leaving us."

A lot of people have known this for years. It is useless to tell anyone this though. They want to believe otherwise. They want to believe that if we just sit back, suck it up, and elect enough (r)'s everything will turn out ok..

The fat man in Joisey will save us to. That's the newest meme starting up already in some places.

All I can say is it does not hurt to be prepared for the downfall.

Posted by: GMB at December 04, 2013 01:00 AM (nkPV9)

513 >> I'm not convinced that Greg Gutfeld is a Moron

Nah, he's got more than a touch of public benevolence/bleeding heart syndrome. But he IS one of the good guys.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2013 01:01 AM (wNF3N)

514 I had an old dial phone I gave away but wish I had kept for the reasons cited above. If the power goes out, the phone will still work. And in an earthquake, landlines are more likely to be functional than cell. Also, it's easier to reach people out of state so they always tell you to have an agreed contact person to inform that you haven't been crushed to death.

Posted by: Penis Loves Vagina at December 04, 2013 01:07 AM (kkbgQ)

515 What do I think will cause people to revolt? I honestly don't know. People grabbed their pitchforks in Russia over bread. So I'd bet (if I would place such a bet) it'll be something mundane. Like people having to choose between eating and paying their jacked-up insurance premiums. Or eating versus paying all the medical bills until the deductible on their unaffordable, obamacare junk insurance kicks in. Or eating and buying gas for the car. Inflation is eating my budget alive, and I've just about made all the cuts I can. If prices continue to rise, I don't know what I'll do... A lot of our fellow citizens are in similar straits.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 01:12 AM (GNZ0/)

516 Well, i think we found the latest racial incident (I didn't say racist) of a 13 yr old white girl taken into custody because she was away from home with 2 20-something black men... NY Daily News is pushing it as outrageous on the part of the police (and maybe his supposed comments were out of line), but what parent sends a 13 yr old girl out of town with two men not their relatives?

Posted by: Baldy at December 04, 2013 01:12 AM (2bql3)

517 "Look, the lines have been drawn: there's the people fighting for freedom -- us -- and there's the establishment Rs and Ds, who are all about controlling us and farming us for the tax money they can squeeze out of us."

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 04:42 AM (GNZ0/)

Not to mention the prospect of extracting lobbying expenditures.

The whole concept of "equal application of the laws seems to have gone out the window.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 04, 2013 01:15 AM (T1005)

518 I think it will be some enraged lefty that actually sparks the next phase. Aggrieved leftys are capable of most anything and I include mass murder in that.

Another possibility is some phony outrage staged by our gub'mint, to bring hidden opposition out into the open.

Best bet is to know how to stay alive without having to go to the grocery store every week.

Posted by: GMB at December 04, 2013 01:18 AM (nkPV9)

519 522 What do I think will cause people to revolt? I honestly don't know. People grabbed their pitchforks in Russia over bread. So I'd bet (if I would place such a bet) it'll be something mundane. Like people having to choose between eating and paying their jacked-up insurance premiums. Or eating versus paying all the medical bills until the deductible on their unaffordable, obamacare junk insurance kicks in. Or eating and buying gas for the car.

Inflation is eating my budget alive, and I've just about made all the cuts I can. If prices continue to rise, I don't know what I'll do... A lot of our fellow citizens are in similar straits.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 05:12 AM (GNZ0/)

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I don't see us going from zero to gunfire in one step. General strikes, or some form of escalation is more likely in my estimation.

What I don't have is any real sense of how the powers that be will handle the escalations. What would they do with 3-5 million people on the mall refusing to budge? I just don't know. They seem a rather gutless lot to me.

Posted by: jc at December 04, 2013 01:21 AM (PlzOe)

520 "Best bet is to know how to stay alive without having to go to the grocery store every week." Been working on that one... Like I said, I don't know what the spark will be... I just know we're dry kindling.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 01:23 AM (GNZ0/)

521 527 elaine at December 04, 2013 05:23 AM (GNZ0/)

I just want to live...

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 01:25 AM (9jfyN)

522 well that and get payback...

so there's more to life than breathing

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 01:29 AM (9jfyN)

523 I don't see us going from zero to gunfire in one step. General strikes, or some form of escalation is more likely in my estimation. What I don't have is any real sense of how the powers that be will handle the escalations. What would they do with 3-5 million people on the mall refusing to budge? I just don't know. They seem a rather gutless lot to me. Posted by: jc at December 04, 2013 05:21 AM They were more than happy to physically push elderly war heroes and lock them out of the mall during the shutdown theater. They'll be more than happy to do the same to us, should we defy them. Now... the real question is: will the military follow orders to fire upon fellow citizens. I want to say "of course not!" but given how the administration has been forcing out any high-ranking officer who isn't marching in lockstep with obama, I'm not willing to bet my life on that assumption any longer. If we took to the streets, they'd use force against us, I can guarantee that. Especially if they have real fear for their own safety. Maybe it won't be the military... maybe it'll be someone else, like the cops, the TSA, or SEIU. I just don't know. No, I don't think we'll go from status quo to revolution overnight. But what you're missing is there's been a whole lot of quietly enduring crap from our government for a while now. Just like the people in the bread lines in Russia, who were willing to stand there for days, as long as at the end of their wait, they'd take home a loaf of bread. And then one day, there isn't any bread. It'll be like that... we've been quietly enduring and then one day something will snap. I'm not sure it pays to spend a lot of time trying to figure out WHAT the spark will be. It's more important to recognize it for what it is when it happens and act accordingly.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 01:32 AM (GNZ0/)

524 What would they do with 50K armed citizens on the mall refusing to budge? I just don't know.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 01:35 AM (cLM8I)

525 531 Jean at December 04, 2013 05:35 AM (cLM8I)

Well they have all kinds of gee whiz tech to experiment with....

Look at it like this Jean...the current Donkey party idolizes the Vietnam era and considers that their glory days so like most addle brained dementia sufferers they are trying to relive their "prime"....

of course from our perspective it looks like they are trying to play Vietnam in the United States.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 01:38 AM (9jfyN)

526 "Well they have all kinds of gee whiz tech to experiment with...." I forgot about the drones and junk...

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 01:43 AM (GNZ0/)

527 Sven, I've played with that tech, it sucks. Short of mortars, they are screwed. That's just a peaceful demonstration. What they really need to be afraid of is those men blocking the highways and rail lines into the urban cores. That produces a cascade of problems that might not be reversible.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 01:47 AM (cLM8I)

528 533 elaine at December 04, 2013 05:43 AM (GNZ0/)

The nice thing about drones is that amongst a proud people their use is a sign of weakness and lack of will....

in the event side a uses drones against side b it becomes imperative that side b uses intel and makes examples of side A's drone pilots....

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 01:47 AM (9jfyN)

529 "531 What would they do with 50K armed citizens on the mall refusing to budge? I just don't know. " Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 05:35 AM They have a compliant media willing to lie for them. I'm pretty sure if that many armed Americans showed up they'd drone us to death and worry about justifying their actions later. Hell, they've probably already written the copy for the lapdog media to report, when the time comes.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 01:48 AM (GNZ0/)

530 534 Jean at December 04, 2013 05:47 AM (cLM8I)

Heh...do recall I have a nice doctrine in mind for highways...

as always any conflict is in reality a logistics battle...

I at least have a big grin this a.m.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 01:48 AM (9jfyN)

531 in the event side a uses drones against side b it becomes imperative that side b uses intel and makes examples of side A's drone pilots.... And that side b goes feral and mixes with the population, then things get real ugly.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 01:49 AM (cLM8I)

532 Pushed "post" too quickly... Our actions need to be clearly non-violent. General strikes. Blocking the beltway so supplies don't get in. That sort of thing... Going to DC armed won't be seen as non-violent, even if we don't fire a round.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 01:50 AM (GNZ0/)

533 Elaine, perceptions won't matter. The tea party protests were completely peaceful and look how they were portrayed. If going to cross the rubicon, you might as well plan on staying.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 01:53 AM (cLM8I)

534 540 Jean at December 04, 2013 05:53 AM (cLM8I)

I think the Rubicon was really crossed when Caesar had Mark Anthony and friends smash the Patrician Temple steps with sledge hammers....

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 01:55 AM (9jfyN)

535 "Our actions need to be clearly non-violent."

Any action against the proggies will be considered violent. They will not tolerate their own methods being used against them when push comes to shove.

They have some reverse "divine" right to rule in their twisted minds.

Posted by: GMB at December 04, 2013 01:55 AM (nkPV9)

536 Jean, I agree with you in principle. OTOH, taking guns to DC is maybe something you do after you've spent some time starving them out.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 01:57 AM (GNZ0/)

537 540 Elaine, perceptions won't matter. The tea party protests were completely peaceful and look how they were portrayed. If going to cross the rubicon, you might as well plan on staying.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2013 05:53 AM (cLM8I)

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I don't believe that. Perceptions do matter.

The Tea Party was portrayed in a lot of ways, but the violent overthrow of the US Government was not one of them.

Posted by: jc at December 04, 2013 01:57 AM (PlzOe)

538 544 jc at December 04, 2013 05:57 AM (PlzOe)

Sorry GMB is right, with his Ogabecare polling at 60% against he says "fuck uh you er America it uh stays and staying is uh just the goal."

The only thing saving the Republic right now is John Boehner being a pussy adtryn ing to sell out the American people vis a vis Mexopolis.

I won't be around for the Morning thread but uh the GOP is about to blow its brains out on immigration.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 02:00 AM (9jfyN)

539 "Any action against the proggies will be considered violent. They will not tolerate their own methods being used against them when push comes to shove." Granted. Look, our love of freedom is an existential threat to their love of totalitarianism. We're in a battle for not only power now but the very heart, soul, and future of this country. And they will do whatever they must to stop us. I get that. But beginning with the non-violent route allows the fence-sitters to feel comfortable in joining us. They see what we're doing; they agree with it. And they don't believe the media and politicians who tell them WE'RE the dangerous threat to the nation. Only a third of the colonists were in rebellion against the Crown. The rest were either minding their own business or actively on the side of the British. Today, do we have a third of the country supporting the cause of Freedom? Will a third of the country be enough?

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 02:03 AM (GNZ0/)

540 545 544 jc at December 04, 2013 05:57 AM (PlzOe)

Sorry GMB is right, with his Ogabecare polling at 60% against he says "fuck uh you er America it uh stays and staying is uh just the goal."

The only thing saving the Republic right now is John Boehner being a pussy adtryn ing to sell out the American people vis a vis Mexopolis.

I won't be around for the Morning thread but uh the GOP is about to blow its brains out on immigration.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 06:00 AM (9jfyN)

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so everyone is supposed to start shooting each other tomorrow?

Posted by: jc at December 04, 2013 02:03 AM (PlzOe)

541 http://tinyurl.com/mnsbw8o

by the way Al-NYC is charging 102 bucks for Trucks to enter the city...

speaking of "logistics" follies.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 02:04 AM (9jfyN)

542 547 jc at December 04, 2013 06:03 AM (PlzOe)

Yeah that's exactly what I said.

No I think the left will blink, but if the right does not have steel in its spine and the will to make the left blink then the left is defacto Caligula reborn.

They just nominated a horse's ass to run US health care essentially.

How crazy are you willing to let them get in undermining the market chumley?

I stood happily and peacefully at the two big shindigs at the Mall....

if/when the time comes I will be hard at work choking off Metro logistics.

Just the way it is.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 04, 2013 02:06 AM (9jfyN)

543 Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 06:03 AM (GNZ0/)

Lot of problems with that post.

First it does not matter one whit what any opposition does to the proggies. It will be labeled to whatever advantage the proggies came get. As far as the fence sitters go. I personally don't want or need them. Let them sit on that damn fence until they get herded into labor camps or until they starve to death.

The fence sitters are just as much a problem as the proggies are.

Historical study's have shown that barely three percent of the population of the Colonies took up arms against George III. Another ten percent supported the Revolution with money, supplies, and whatever.

Be ready to do what you need to to survive. For all the seeming advantages the gub'mint has, it can be taken down.

If you have the Heart to do it.

Posted by: GMB at December 04, 2013 02:11 AM (nkPV9)

544 There was a lot of subtle sabotage employed by the Chetniks (Serbs) against the Germans during WWII. Hollowing out a piece of coal, filling it with explosives, then tossing it into the pile used to power the train engine. Or putting sand on truck axles. In effect, doing things that would gum up the works when the train or truck was many miles away, so nobody could say for sure who the doer was. Logistics is the way to go in our fight against DC.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 02:13 AM (GNZ0/)

545 I personally think the Union will break up any shots are fired. When the first state goes, that is when you have to start worrying.

Posted by: GMB at December 04, 2013 02:15 AM (nkPV9)

546 523 Well, i think we found the latest racial incident (I didn't say racist) of a 13 yr old white girl taken into custody because she was away from home with 2 20-something black men... NY Daily News is pushing it as outrageous on the part of the police (and maybe his supposed comments were out of line), but what parent sends a 13 yr old girl out of town with two men not their relatives? Posted by: Baldy at December 04, 2013 05:12 AM (2bql3) Yeah, the police did the right thing.

Posted by: Penis Loves Vagina at December 04, 2013 02:16 AM (kkbgQ)

547 The Chetniks? They were reduced to a mere criminal band of thugs by the time Tito finished off the krauts in Yugoslavia. The Chetniks spent more time fighting Tito than they ever did fighting the nazi's.

I do believe, correct me if I am wrong, that after the war was over Tito had the leader of the Chetniks executed for treason, for collaborating with the nazis.

Bad example.

Posted by: GMB at December 04, 2013 02:20 AM (nkPV9)

548 Sorry, GMB. You're wrong about the Chetniks. Tito's partisans spent more time fighting the Chetniks than they did the Nazis. The partisans were happy to do whatever "fighting" they did against the Nazis in such a way that innocent civilians were killed. (The Nazis had this fun habit of rounding up a hundred people for every Nazi killed and executing them. Mihailovic -- leader of the Chetniks -- did everything in his power to save Serb lives while also doing what he could against the Nazis. Tito didn't give a fuck about anyone but himself and the communist cause.) The Chetniks saved over 500 allied soldiers trapped behind enemy lines in Yugoslavia. When the partisans found downed fliers, they handed them over to the Germans for gold. As for Mihailovic's trial, it was a show trial to get rid of a political enemy. Mihailovic was an ardent supporter of democracy and a staunch ally of ours, even after we left him hanging. Hey... fun fact: did you know that a couple dozen of those allied fliers Mihailovic saved wanted to travel to Yugoslavia to give testimony in his support? Our State Dept wouldn't allow it, because of the agreement we made with Russia and Great Britain at Yalta, divvying up the world into communist and free. Those men couldn't go to Yugoslavia, but they gave their testimony in Manhattan and sent it to Belgrade, not that it would change the outcome. Rule of thumb: any narrative that praises communists while denigrating their opposition is bound to be a lie.

Posted by: elaine at December 04, 2013 02:42 AM (GNZ0/)

549 My wife fled Castro's hell as a thirteen year old in Operation Pedro Pan, the single largest airlift of children in history. We finally had to leave Maryland because the evil has control there now, too, and so we arrived here in Virginia, just in time for a former Clinton bag man to get elected governor. America, come home.

Posted by: herbork at December 04, 2013 05:07 AM (t1s5e)

550 "Family intimacy is almost nonexistent."

And that is why all these Hollywood movies and tv shows come up with replacing the family with a group of friendly misfits. But something tells me friendships are also nonexistent in Cuba.

Posted by: Dang at December 04, 2013 05:09 AM (YWXTN)

551

Obama is not only against whites, he is against blacks. Unemployment amoung black youth is over 40%. His solution, bring in as many Mexicans as possible and give them instant citizenship. In Chicago murder of blacks by blacks continues. What has he or his Chicago friends done to reduce that murder rate? Nothing! It continues to rise.

Posted by: burt at December 04, 2013 08:07 AM (1+kJ5)

552

64.

>> Sadly, who the (expletive deleted) has an actual landline anymore?

You rang?

Posted by: Sammy Finkelman at December 04, 2013 09:01 AM (Wv0tk)

553 Those phones are snazzy.

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at December 04, 2013 10:32 AM (UlI/7)

554

50 SpaceX successfully launched the SES-8 communications satellite earlier this evening. ...The first 20 minutes of the YouTube video is nothing but techno music

-------------------------

Finally! The futuristic future of yesterdecade!

The chilly techno only makes it that much more delicious.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 04, 2013 10:47 AM (QBm1P)

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