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February 09, 2014

Overnight Open Thread (2-9-2014)
— Maetenloch

Got home late so you get the 20 minute hurry-up ONT with a solid 16 minutes of quality effort.

How USA Olympic bobsledder Johnny Quinn Escaped From His Bathroom

Maybe cars cost extra.

And the 'Wall of Steel' police presence.

And then you have the toilets. Now they've had toilets and bathrooms in Russia for a while so what the hell were they thinking?

Oops - Sochi Games' Biathlon Track 130 Feet Too Short

There Are 6 Active U.S. Military Personnel Competing In Sochi

One Reason I've Lost Interest in the Olympics

As I've gotten older I've become more and more disenchanted with the Olympics. Part of this is the sheer amount of corruption and politics that's tied up with it these days but a large part is just due to the fact that nothing shown in the games has any interest to me.

My earliest memories are of the 1976 and 1980 games and I remember watching entire events and following individual athletes through the Olympics. But today the networks don't show the events I have an interest in (which are mostly ones involving speed or strength over form and art) though you might get a highlight of an event if you're lucky. In fact most of the Olympic television coverage these days has become a reality show about athletes going to the Olympics rather than the actual Olympic events themselves. But another factor that this chart shows is that the number of events has doubled since 1988 which means each event gets even less coverage than before. Feh.

In Praise Of Sochi Schadenfreude

On why we should celebrate Russia's failure.

We don't even have to bring up the fact that Putin has consistently undermined American interests, abetting brutal dictatorships in Syria and North Korea - not to mention, shielding Iran's nuclear ambitions. Surrounded by an army of 40,000 soldiers and police in a "ring of steel," Bob Costas can whitewash his host's misdeeds, but Russia's government is not only corrupt, and not only is it intolerant of gays, but according to Amnesty International, human rights violations by the government include killings, enforced disappearances and torture, and they are "frequent." According to Freedom of Information index by Reporters Without Borders, Putin belongs on a list with Chinese President Xi Jinping, North Korea's Kim Jong-un, Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Italian Mafia and Chechnya's Ramzan Kadyrov.
That's not to say that Russians, with or without Putin, don't have a long way to go. It's not to say that the Russian people don't have their quirks. But if Sochi is, as Putin claims, a vision a "new Russia," lots of people around the world will see that the new Russia is extraordinarily similar to the old Russia.
This is his Olympics. We should all get in a good laugh at his misfortune.

UK Police Will Have Backdoor Access To National Health Records

What could possibly go wrong?

How To Succeed as a Political Cartoonist: Always Flatter, Never Challenge, Your Audience

It was his politics, mostly, that lifted Herblock above his lack of technical skill to the Pulitzers and the medals and the honorary degrees. His ideas were as simple as his draftsmanship, and perfectly matched to the prejudices of the powerful journalists he hoped to please. The Post reviewer lists his big issues: "fascism, war, the bomb [presumably against], the environment, civil rights, lobbying reform [presumably for]." He didn't get much more complicated than that. The crudity of his politics and the crudity of his draftsmanship were intimately connected.

What Is It With Totalitarian Countries and Working Toilets and Toilet Paper?

I've been so amused by all the pictures and stories coming out of Sochi of how unprepared the area is for all the foreigners and reporters arrive for the Olympics. Is this any surprise from a society that continually failed to meet its five-year plans? The picture of the sign in the toilets telling people to place their toilet paper in a trash can rather than the toilet brought back unfond memories from the time I spent in the Soviet Union in 1979. That is what we had to do at all the toilets. And we were lucky if we had something recognizable as toilet paper to use. Often we had cut up squares of newspaper giving rise to many jokes about the best use of Pravda. Once we encountered squares of wax paper - not the most absorbent material which somehow misses the point of toilet paper. I wrote my husband at the time that we were inevitably going to win the Cold War since no modern country that could manage to provide toilets and toilet paper could defeat us. What is amazing is that they have not made much progress in modern bathroom implements since 1979.

Remembering Robinson "Robbie" Risner

He made a name for himself as an Ace in Korea but it was his time as a POW in Vietnam where he proved what he was really made of.

James Robinson Risner was a man of humble origins, son of an Arkansas sharecropper, educated at secondary school level, not particularly ambitious, a common man save for two things: He could fly the hell out of an airplane; and, under terribly difficult circumstances as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, he rose to a level of heroic leadership matched by few men in American military history.

...It was the Korean War that put Robbie Risner's name on the map of aerial warriors of that era, and became what he described decades later as the most gratifying period of his life. He finagled his way out of his recalled Guard unit into a front line air combat Group equipped with the best aircraft of the period, and paid back the favor by shooting down 8 MIGs. He also pulled off other incredible feats of airmanship. He once pushed the damaged and fuel-starved plane of his wingman with the nose of his own aircraft out of hostile skies into friendly territory for a safe bailout. That is the stuff of which legends are made.

And on Sep. 16th, 1965 he was shot down and captured by the North Vietnamese and held for the next seven and half years.

At the time of Robbie's capture there were 27 other Americans incarcerated in Hanoi, separated from each other, all doing their best to abide by the Code of Conduct for American Fighting Men. Once Risner determined that he was the Senior Ranking Office, he began to put structure and guidance into the POWs' lives, a sense of order and community, the very thing their captors were trying desperately to prevent. He would pay a terrible price for that leadership when the guards would catch him communicating, but they couldn't stop him. No matter how brutal the beatings, the next day he would be at it again.

In the early days he was generally held in that small cell block mentioned earlier, and since most new prisoners were held there temporarily, after initial interrogation and torture sessions, Risner used brief moments of guard absence to "induct" new men into his POW command. His message to me as I lay on the floor of my cell, straining to hear his every word, remain burned into my brain even now, almost 48 years later: He told me his name, and asked mine and my rank. Then he said: "You must learn the tap code, and here's how it works...memorize it, and practice it, it's vital." And he added: "Eat everything they give you, no matter how disgusting; it'll keep you alive. You've just been tortured, and that's not the end of it; resist to the limits of your sanity, or to permanent physical damage. You'll know when you get there." And he concluded: "And pray; if you haven't been, start. We're going to get through this, and I'll see you when it's over."

How Long Have the British Isles Been Isles?

Now very long - barely 8,000 years which almost puts the Channel formation into historical times.

The maps in question feature the area we know as northwest Europe and the British Isles from 18,000 to 5,000 BC. At the beginning, ice sheets covered the latter (especially Scotland). But the whole was one big land mass, because so much water was bound up in the ice that there was no English Channel, and the North Sea was a narrow finger of the ocean. It wasn't until 6,500 BC that the British Isles became "isles," when the waters rose significantly and separated them from the rest of Europe.

Weekly Commenter Standings

Top 10 commenters:
1 [556 comments] 'Boss Moss' [78.04 posts/day]
2 [420 comments] 'Niedermeyer's Dead Horse'
3 [408 comments] 'Mike Hammer'
4 [348 comments] 'Anna Puma (+SmuD)'
5 [325 comments] 'garrett'
6 [321 comments] 'cthulhu'
7 [312 comments] 'Nip Sip'
8 [300 comments] 'Vic</i>'
9 [296 comments] 'BlueStateRebel'
10 [288 comments] 'willow'

Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
1 [96 names] 'Adam' [13.47 unique names/day]
2 [94 names] 'The Political Hat'
3 [74 names] 'Lazy Madison Avenue'
4 [59 names] 'Cicero (@cicero)'
5 [52 names] 'Islamic Rage Boy'
6 [49 names] 'phreshone'
7 [48 names] 'phreshone'
8 [38 names] 'Mike Hammer'
9 [37 names] 'Doctor Fish'
10 [35 names] 'Boss Moss'

The group. Yeah.

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1 Thanks! I'll get the others.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 06:49 PM (zDsvJ)

2 The Elevator ... shades of Running Man.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 06:50 PM (FlRtG)

3 Ohhhh yeahhhhhh!

Posted by: Kool-Aid Man Bobsledder at February 09, 2014 06:50 PM (vbK1S)

4 g'evenin', rons'

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 09, 2014 06:52 PM (JMmQ9)

5 Aloha!

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 06:52 PM (T1005)

6 Russia looks like my kinda' town.

Posted by: Jon Bonham at February 09, 2014 06:52 PM (4Mv1T)

7 Here is the "News of the Week" compilation of the news More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=4956

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 09, 2014 06:53 PM (AymDN)

8 Political Correctness and Cultural Marxism Bill Whittle speaks on how Marxists have gone from economic arguments, to social ones, and how under the guise of Â“Political CorrectnessÂ” and Â“Justice,Â” they are fundamentally transforming America into a pre-failed Marxist state. More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=4833

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 09, 2014 06:53 PM (AymDN)

9 Good evening, morons & moronettes. Yes, I'm showing off my ampersands.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 06:54 PM (3mOji)

10

The Game of Thrones Season 4 Trailer: Ice and Fire - A Foreshadowing is up.

15 minutes worth of antici --------- pation.

http://youtu.be/J5iS3tULXMQ

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 09, 2014 06:54 PM (kdS6q)

11 How did 'phreshone' get 2 consecutive listings? 6 [49 names] 'phreshone' 7 [48 names] 'phreshone'

Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 06:54 PM (FlRtG)

12 Off dead drummist sock

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 09, 2014 06:54 PM (4Mv1T)

13 Chatting about Volunteers on the last thread makes me want to watch Only The Lonely but when I checked my Roku it is only offered on HBOGo.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 09, 2014 06:54 PM (DmNpO)

14 So the getting locked in thing brings back memories. When I finally had gotten my own lab, I was so excited to get in it that I showed up late on Friday to just have the fun of walking around the gleaming renovated space. There was a big open lab and a couple of small offices inside it (not accessible to the hallway). So I sit down in my new office at my brand new desk to savor the moment. Then I get up to leave and realize I'm locked in. (They'd installed the locks backwards or something.) And there's no phone. Or computer. Or cell phone. (Besides, it was in the sub-basement, so no reception.) And it's past regular work hours so there's no one around. I had to pound on the walls for about half an hour until a janitor finally heard me and peered through the windows into the lab and spotted my face in the window to my interior office door.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 06:55 PM (zDsvJ)

15 Ice dancing. FFS. Ice dancing.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 09, 2014 06:55 PM (GEICT)

16 what are these ampersands you speak of?

&&&&&&&&&&&

Oh, them.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 09, 2014 06:55 PM (4Mv1T)

17 Dammit

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 09, 2014 06:55 PM (4Mv1T)

18 Hello!

Posted by: Carol at February 09, 2014 06:56 PM (z4WKX)

19 Why I've lost interest in the Olympics, Super Bowl, NFL, NBA.

At some point, it just doesn't make any difference.

Posted by: Y.U. Karen at February 09, 2014 06:56 PM (c5YkN)

20 Hi cthulhu and shredded chi. Glad to see you.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 06:56 PM (zDsvJ)

21 11Â How did 'phreshone' get 2 consecutive listings?Â 6 [49 names] 'phreshone'Â 7 [48 names] 'phreshone'Â Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 10:54 PM (FlRtG) ________ Multiple ISPs? Not unlike the troll from last night?

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 06:57 PM (3mOji)

22 In and out, y'all play nice while I go back to work.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 09, 2014 06:57 PM (xa1/W)

23 You New English think you're sooo superior!

Posted by: A Fish called Pangea at February 09, 2014 06:58 PM (R6JT1)

24 Oh, man.....the list of shame.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 06:59 PM (T1005)

25 Donde esta sven?

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 06:59 PM (V/11D)

26 Sven's in the space station vid. He get's around. Cuts into his commenting, though.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 09, 2014 07:00 PM (4Mv1T)

27 Marcus the giraffe murdered in Denmark, aged eighteen months. Totally unnecessary waste of a beautiful animal. Motherfuckers.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 07:00 PM (bS6uW)

28 Looks like the remake of ROBOBOP is a remake of the remake of JUDGE DREDD.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 07:01 PM (V/11D)

29 Why would someone murder a giraffe? Holy Crap.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 09, 2014 07:01 PM (4Mv1T)

30 Chris Fogt is a alumnus of our local university. IIRC we have three athletes at Sochi.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:01 PM (zDsvJ)

31 24Â Oh, man.....the list of shame.Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 10:59 PM (T1005) ________ Yeah, I noticed that. Ain't the first time, though. Hi there, T-shirt!

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 07:01 PM (3mOji)

32 There are differing definitions of "active duty." I think gold dust of the National Guard, and would not say a thing against them, but if you're a Guard member and not deployed and devoting your time to Olympic training, you're not on active duty.

There is a program called World Class Athlete, in which a full time serving member may take one (1) year to train for an Olympic or World Cup event. As you read, none of these Guardsmen are in that program.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 09, 2014 07:01 PM (xq1UY)

33 20 Hi cthulhu and shredded chi. Glad to see you.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 10:56 PM (zDsvJ)

Nice story. It's funny how you never end up being locked where the tools are....

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:01 PM (T1005)

34 So much for Putin using the Olympics to fetch positive attention to the "new Russia".

Posted by: Thrawn at February 09, 2014 07:01 PM (WlWt+)

35 I tried watching the Olympics, saw 2 minutes worth of downhill skiing interspersed by about 20 minutes worth of commercials

I gave up and turned on Modern Marvels on H2

Posted by: kbdabear at February 09, 2014 07:01 PM (aTXUx)

36 Top 10 sockpuppeteers: Â… 6 [49 names] 'phreshone' 7 [48 names] 'phreshone' Different hashs/IP addresses I assume? Makes compiling the yearly stats a bit questionable.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 09, 2014 07:02 PM (AymDN)

37 I remember The Ampersands, radio comedy show that starred Don Ameche and Zasu Pitt, right?

Posted by: mallfly at February 09, 2014 07:02 PM (zjcTL)

38 I heard that sven is in the Arctic floating on an ice floe... just like Knute.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 07:03 PM (V/11D)

39 28 Looks like the remake of ROBOBOP is a remake of the remake of JUDGE DREDD. Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 11:01 PM (V/11D) One need not go past the rating of the new Robocop movie (PG-13) to know it's going to suck hard. Robocop needs to be a hard R, with excessive violence like the original.

Posted by: Thrawn at February 09, 2014 07:03 PM (WlWt+)

40 Fucking spell check. His name was Marius. Can we at least get that right. This makes me want to puke.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 07:03 PM (bS6uW)

41 Hey' its just business.

Posted by: eyetalian mafia at February 09, 2014 07:04 PM (yICtd)

42 I never understood the wax paper TP in Europe. Wouldn't regular paper be cheaper? ProTip: When you're in Europe, swipe paper napkins from every place you hit.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 09, 2014 07:04 PM (V4CBV)

43 I'm & thirty & minutes & past & absolute & bedtime, and have to go to sleep now. Yes, the ampersand bullshit was showing off. The Platinum Membership has it's advantages...

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 09, 2014 07:04 PM (JMmQ9)

44 I saw The Ampersands open for the Comma Doors back in 1977.

Posted by: mallfly at February 09, 2014 07:05 PM (zjcTL)

45 I saw The Ampersands open up for the The Colons at the free clinic back in 1992. Wait - I don't think I did that right...

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 07:05 PM (3mOji)

46 >>>Marcus the giraffe murdered in Denmark, aged eighteen months. Totally unnecessary waste of a beautiful animal. Motherfuckers.

It wasn't a total waste.

Posted by: The Lions at February 09, 2014 07:06 PM (IN7k+)

47 >>It's funny how you never end up being locked where the tools are.... Yeah. The lab was completely empty. Brand spanking new. Hence no phone either. And it was one of those heavy duty self-closing lab doors with a teeny window. Oh, and I forgot to mention that they had not gotten the heat working properly, so it was about 85F in there! I was starting to examine the ceiling to see if I could somehow get out by moving the tiles and crawling out to the hallway.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:06 PM (zDsvJ)

48 Yeah, Maet, me too on this Olympics. This is the first one that I really just can't watch. For the same reasons you don't watch either.

Posted by: L, elle at February 09, 2014 07:06 PM (Cuj/g)

49 re the pic of the Johnny Quinn door: did he holler "Here's Johnny!"..?

Posted by: mallfly at February 09, 2014 07:06 PM (zjcTL)

50 ProTip: When you're in Europe, swipe paper napkins from every place you hit. Posted by: Dr. Varno
-------------------------

The only thing is the TP has no "wet strength" so it doesn't plug up your commode. Paper towels or napkins on the other hand tend to have more "wet strength" as designed by paper mills.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 09, 2014 07:06 PM (4Mv1T)

51 Killed by a zoo to prevent inbreeding, nothing wrong with him, and then dissected in front of kids, Google it if you dare.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 07:06 PM (bS6uW)

52 tomorrow night, mi amigos...

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 09, 2014 07:06 PM (JMmQ9)

53 I watch ski jumping the same reason I watch NASCAR, I'm waiting for something bad to happen. I have no idea what makes a good jump.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 09, 2014 07:06 PM (WdbF7)

54 re 51: helps the kids appreciate what the Death Panels will be doing.

Posted by: mallfly at February 09, 2014 07:08 PM (zjcTL)

55 I posted on last thread, Yoko had Plastic Ono Band, it put Classic in there by mistake. It might have been both too.

Posted by: Carol at February 09, 2014 07:08 PM (z4WKX)

56 Alton, I'll give you $30 if you bring me an Arby's Beef 'n Cheddar in the next fifteen minutes. G'night.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 07:09 PM (3mOji)

57 Proper toilets are the vanguard of the capitalist running dog imperialist conspiracy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 09, 2014 07:09 PM (yVE5m)

58 I just emailed a friend of mine in England after seeing that the British isles used to be connected to the EU. My comment was..."You idiots used to be French."

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at February 09, 2014 07:10 PM (cCxiu)

59 Even Julian Lennon knew when it was time to fade away.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 07:10 PM (V/11D)

60 Shredded Chi and I have found a link to Joffen's obit, and I'll pass it on in a sec -- but I want to say a few things first.

First and foremost, this link is to his family's memorial website, not the ONT. While, I'm sure, it would be a comfort for them to know how many people knew Joffen, they would likely misunderstand "Horde", "Morons", and -- especially in juxtaposition with the actor deal -- "Ace of Spades". I would recommend just "knew him from the internet", and that's how I'll do it, myself. It would probably be best if they not find their way here. Second, as you read the obituary, you will probably notice a glaring omission.....and it would be very unfortunate if it were referenced by anyone from here. These people have suffered a terrible, heartwrenching loss -- let us not add to their pain. Third, there is some standard "in lieu of.....donations" language. There are some minor technical issues with the way the family describes the process, which I'll discuss in another comment....but to start with, the "Contribute" in the toolbar and the "Make a donation" button at the bottom are for the website, not the family or daughter, and should not be used unless you have some great fondness for Canadian memorial websites.

In no way do I want to turn the ONT into a Joffen memorial, but this is news that the Horde should get. If you pass on the link, please be sure to include the paragraph above. Here's the link to the actual obituary: http://tinyurl.com/k8nfu93

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:10 PM (T1005)

61 I don't understand why they were not able to trade the giraffe with another zoo to address their inbreeding concerns. I've been to a couple of zoos in Europe (Germany, Portugal) and they were not impressive.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:10 PM (zDsvJ)

62 And, mallfly sneaks it in for the win...

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 07:11 PM (3mOji)

63 ....and for decency's sake, you reprobates, if you go over there, make sure you're wearing pants!

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:11 PM (T1005)

64 Played with the big boys tonight at the poker table and came out ahead after some early setbacks. This new Robocop is going to suck - but the DREDD remake was pretty awesome. Good action - minimum BS.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:11 PM (nz3HL)

65 RRRGGGGLLLLLMMFFGGGRRRGGG!!!

Posted by: Bob Costas, Zombie Broadcasting Company at February 09, 2014 07:13 PM (aTXUx)

66 Thank you, cthulhu (and shredded chi). God bless and keep Joffen's loved ones and let's all pray for his soul.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:13 PM (zDsvJ)

67 In related news, I hate people.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 07:13 PM (bS6uW)

68 Cicero, I know who to ask my questions to about the Beatles & other things now, You.

Posted by: Carol at February 09, 2014 07:14 PM (z4WKX)

69 I've read no other zoo wanted it.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 09, 2014 07:14 PM (/QAZd)

70 I don't want to read it but I should so it reminds me there are indeed real people here, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 07:14 PM (V/11D)

71 Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 11:10 PM (T1005) Is that the Sunshine Patriot? Sad to hear he passed.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:14 PM (nz3HL)

72 If the lions were vegan, that poor giraffe would still be alive.

Posted by: Y.U. Karen at February 09, 2014 07:14 PM (c5YkN)

73 70 Cicero, I know who to ask my questions to about the Beatles & other things now, You. --------------- One of my many areas of faux expertise. Honestly, sometimes I can't even keep track.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 09, 2014 07:16 PM (yVE5m)

74 "In fact most of the Olympic television coverage these days is really a reality show about athletes going to the Olympics rather than the actual events themselves."

This is because the Olympics are the only major sporting event where the majority of viewers are women. Plus NBC is horrible, they show the same damn events throughout the night, while not showing others. Also the replay feature online doesn't allow for fast forwarding.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 09, 2014 07:17 PM (WdbF7)

75 Sorry, didn't see the Joffen link. That's obviously more important than my giraffe angst. Didn't mean to be disrespectful. God bless and sincere condolences.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 07:17 PM (bS6uW)

76 I'm astounded that Maet could throw together a quality ONT like this in less than two hours. Then again, with the practice he's had, he can probably do it in his sleep....

.....with one hand tied behind his back....

....while fapping.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:17 PM (T1005)

77 Cthulhu, for a minute there, I thought you were going to put it off... Shit. Give me a minute. I'll be back.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 07:17 PM (3mOji)

78 74 If the lions were vegan, that poor giraffe would still be alive. Posted by: Y.U. Karen at February 09, 2014 11:14 PM (c5YkN) Bobby Blane: Sometimes adrenaline gives people the shakes, some might think it's cowardice, so maybe you'd want to pray about it. Jimmy: I'm not a religious man. Bobby Blane: There's nothing wrong with prayer. We knew this firefighter, this trooper, who always caried a bible next to his heart. We used to mock him, but that bible stopped a bullet. Jimmy: No shit. Bobby Blane: Hand of God, that bible stopped a bullet, would of ruined that fucker's heart. And had he had another bible in front of his face, that man would be alive today.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:17 PM (nz3HL)

79 I always fancied myself that I don't scare easy, but I was scared today. Chimney fire that looked like hell and damnation and the fire department at least a half an hour away. It filled the whole valley with smoke. Winter has just gone on too long and I should have had a midwinter cleaning. I just got done cleaning up the mess and cleaning the chimney, so tomorrow I'll start burning again. Got to keep warm.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 09, 2014 07:18 PM (l3vZN)

80 77 Sorry, didn't see the Joffen link. That's obviously more important than my giraffe angst. Didn't mean to be disrespectful. God bless and sincere condolences. Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 11:17 PM (bS6uW) Hide posts from (bS6uW)

Well, I do consider it important....which is why I put it out there. But, y'know, this is an ONT.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:19 PM (T1005)

81 Watched several hours of the Olympics this afternoon between naps. I have somewhat of an ace up my sleeve though. I live in the northern suburbs of Detroit and we can have the local Windsor, Canada TV station on our cable or over the air. They are obviously biased toward Canadian participants but more coverage, somewhat fewer commercials and I didn't hear any political crap all afternoon.

Posted by: Bill R. at February 09, 2014 07:19 PM (QnRSM)

82 I just got done cleaning up the mess and cleaning the chimney, so tomorrow I'll start burning again. Got to keep warm. Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 09, 2014 11:18 PM (l3vZN)\ Glad you are OK and your house is still in good shape (I assume?).

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:20 PM (nz3HL)

83 Well, the American ice dancers are very, very good. The guy is kind of a cutie with his wild blond hair.

Posted by: Tuna at February 09, 2014 07:20 PM (M/TDA)

84 Oh, man, Jinx - I'm glad you're ok. We had an oil heater fill our house with smoke when we lived in Waltham, MA. Apparently the oil company and/or landlord who had some sort of kickback arrangement were unhappy with the fact we ordered from a different company. They gained access to our basement and tampered with the heater so that the oil mist was too rich and the thing would not ignite properly.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:21 PM (zDsvJ)

85 Poor Joffen , only 32 . What a cryin' damn shame .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 09, 2014 07:22 PM (WK8VM)

86 29 Why would someone murder a giraffe? Holy Crap. Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 09, 2014 11:01 PM (4Mv1T) I remember when Lolo brought home some giraffe for dinner. Tasted a little like golden retriever.

Posted by: Barack Soetero at February 09, 2014 07:23 PM (HxSXm)

87 I gotta collect myself before I sign John's guestbook. The Eulogy by his sister was lovely.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:23 PM (zDsvJ)

88 "Putin has consistently undermined American interests" The messiah is way ahead of Vlad on that score card. I expect the Russians and others to undermine our 'interests', I don't expect the POTUS to purposefully and with a sense of vengeance to undermine the USA.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at February 09, 2014 07:23 PM (hpgw1)

89 ....while fapping.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 11:17 PM (T1005)

Well that would be real challenge since fapping is more conducive to consuming content than actually generating it.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 09, 2014 07:23 PM (XkotV)

90 The ski jumping scares the dickens out of me. Can't imagine coming to the end of that run and having to take off.

Posted by: Tuna at February 09, 2014 07:23 PM (M/TDA)

91 Cthulhu, No worries, Joffen's passing is immensely important. I wouldn't have stepped on your post had I seen it. Seriously, my deepest condolences to family and friends.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 07:24 PM (bS6uW)

92 Did I ever mention I grew up in Waltham? I think I did. Spent my first 27 yrs there.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 07:24 PM (V/11D)

93 Well, of course they fed the giraffe to the lions.
After all, it was the Christian thing to do.

How the hell many giraffes led lives of enforced chastity in all the years before there were any zoo breeding programs? Now they claim that this animal living without mating would be too unnatural, and to let him breed would be dangerous to the race. How'd you like these administrators in charge of your health plan?

An even better solution for the kids to watch would be to just push the live giraffe into the lions' cage. That way everything is 100% natural, and the lions can get in touch with their inner predator. You gonna be cold-blooded, go all in. Hell, why even have cages? Put 'em all in together, and let folks see how Nature really is.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 09, 2014 07:24 PM (xq1UY)

94 81 I always fancied myself that I don't scare easy, but I was scared today.

Chimney fire that looked like hell and damnation and the fire department at least a half an hour away.

It filled the whole valley with smoke.

Winter has just gone on too long and I should have had a midwinter cleaning.

I just got done cleaning up the mess and cleaning the chimney, so tomorrow I'll start burning again. Got to keep warm.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 09, 2014 11:18 PM (l3vZN) Hide posts from (l3vZN)

If that didn't scare you, you'd have to be batshit insane.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:24 PM (T1005)

95 House is fine, except the brickwork at the top of the chimney is black from the smoke. I am not using the stove tonight so that I will be alert and awake to monitor the chimney tomorrow. This is an old house, c. 1810, and had been abandoned since 1942 when I moved in '84. I poured new liners and they insulated the heat really well. I am still pretty shaky though. More so now , than when it was happening.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 09, 2014 07:25 PM (l3vZN)

96 Is that the Sunshine Patriot? Sad to hear he passed. Posted by: Underground Vulgarian That's "Fucking Sunshine Patriot" sir. But yeah. That's him.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 07:25 PM (3mOji)

97 "I remember when Lolo brought home some giraffe for dinner. Tasted a little like golden retriever." Barry, You're not supposed to eat it raw. Grilled with a coating of tumeric is the way to eat giraffe.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at February 09, 2014 07:25 PM (hpgw1)

98 >>Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 11:10 PM (T1005) Thanks for the link cthulhu. So young! I had no idea, I thought he was older. Now I feel older. At 46 I'm calling someone else "so young". I have a sudden urge to chase people off my lawn. You would think that a mortuary would have practice with the English language surrounding death. "Loving father of Isabelle and her mother Stefanie Stevens,". In what non inbread part of the world does that even make sense?

Posted by: Weirddave at February 09, 2014 07:26 PM (XaO9F)

99 89 I gotta collect myself before I sign John's guestbook.

The Eulogy by his sister was lovely. Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 11:23 PM (zDsvJ) Hide posts from (zDsvJ)

I wanted to make sure everyone could have time. It's not the sort of place you want to be flip.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:26 PM (T1005)

100 >>reminds me there are indeed real people here, if you know what I mean Yep. I read some whining on twitterz about the Real People daring to share their Real Lives here not long after John's passing. It took a lot of willpower to not go off on them. There is no point in having the Most Perfect Political System or Candidate or Government, if the good people aren't around to enjoy it. So I'd always rather hear of the morons' & 'ettes' struggles and try to help than pretend they don't exist.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:26 PM (zDsvJ)

101 #65

One important difference: Dredd wasn't a remake. It was a new project drawing on the same source material. Although Robocop had many inspirations to draw upon, there was no existing Robocop novels or comics to draw upon.

Posted by: Epobirs at February 09, 2014 07:26 PM (bPxS6)

102 Fun fact about Jay Leno:

His actual full name is James Douglas Muir Leno. Sounds more like a history professor than a comedian.

If he were coming up today, my hunch is he'd be known as Jimmy Leno.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 09, 2014 07:27 PM (HVI5a)

103 93 Cthulhu,

No worries, Joffen's passing is immensely important. I wouldn't have stepped on your post had I seen it. Seriously, my deepest condolences to family and friends. Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 11:24 PM (bS6uW) Hide posts from (bS6uW)

You didn't step on anything. I told Chi I was going to put it in between comment 50 and 70.....go check that number.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:27 PM (T1005)

104 You would think that a mortuary would have practice with the English language surrounding death. "Loving father of Isabelle and her mother Stefanie Stevens,". In what non inbread part of the world does that even make sense? Posted by: Weirddave at February 09, 2014 11:26 PM (XaO9F) Morons - even in mourning. I love this place.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:28 PM (nz3HL)

105 Does the thought, "they'll miss me when I'm gone," of the suicidial individual bear likeness to the desires which mass murders intoxicate themselves with?

Posted by: wooly bully at February 09, 2014 07:28 PM (R6JT1)

106 Jinx- How did you put it out??

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 09, 2014 07:28 PM (4Mv1T)

107 One need not go past the rating of the new Robocop movie (PG-13) to know it's going to suck hard. Robocop needs to be a hard R, with excessive violence like the original.

Posted by: Thrawn at February 09, 2014 11:03 PM (WlWt+)

You know when they release it to Blu-Ray it will be "Unrated." In other words it will be the R-rated version that the shot but were too pussy to put in theaters because they think they can make more money on the PG-13 cut.

Posted by: buzzion at February 09, 2014 07:28 PM (LI48c)

108 You know when they release it to Blu-Ray it will be "Unrated." In other words it will be the R-rated version that the shot but were too pussy to put in theaters because they think they can make more money on the PG-13 cut.

I'll buy THAT for a dollar!
;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 09, 2014 07:29 PM (HVI5a)

109 Y-not, You don't live inMassachusetts now, do you? Our office was there from fall of 1987 to 1996. It sucked, there is a line from Waltham where snow used to be very heavy & usually some spot in Cambridge/Somerville where it wasn't as bad. I live 6 miles from Boston & in none of those mentioned in this post.

Posted by: Carol at February 09, 2014 07:29 PM (z4WKX)

110 100 >>Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 11:10 PM (T1005)

Thanks for the link cthulhu. So young! I had no idea, I thought he was older. Now I feel older. At 46 I'm calling someone else "so young". I have a sudden urge to chase people off my lawn.

You would think that a mortuary would have practice with the English language surrounding death. "Loving father of Isabelle and her mother Stefanie Stevens,". In what non inbread part of the world does that even make sense? Posted by: Weirddave at February 09, 2014 11:26 PM (XaO9F) Hide posts from (XaO9F)

There's a reason the family got tripped up. But it's not important now.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:30 PM (T1005)

111 Maybe it would help if I liked pro sports but I find the Olympics to be tedious in the extreme. Everything notable can be edited down to about ten minutes of video. Like Usain Bolt blowing away the competition. That was impressive and made more so by knowing that any one of those guy would be regarded as remarkably fast compared to average people.

But if it took an hour of enduring endless profiles and ads to get there? No thanks. I may not have much of a life but I'm not spending it doing that.

Posted by: Epobirs at February 09, 2014 07:30 PM (bPxS6)

112 >>Did I ever mention I grew up in Waltham? I think I did. No, I didn't realize that. We lived for 6 mos on Cherry Street in a little yellow house that was divided into two (lousy) apts. That was when I was at Brandeis. Then we moved to Belmont for a couple of years.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:30 PM (zDsvJ)

113 I've read no other zoo wanted it. Not true, a couple offered. They turned them down because genetic purity. How....German.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 09, 2014 07:30 PM (XaO9F)

114 Although Robocop had many inspirations to draw upon, there was no existing Robocop novels or comics to draw upon. Posted by: Epobirs at February 09, 2014 11:26 PM (bPxS6) If you had told me 5 years ago that I would love a new Dredd flick and loathe the prospect of a Robocop reboot I'd've said you were nuts...

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:30 PM (nz3HL)

115 What made him do it?

Posted by: SFGoth at February 09, 2014 07:31 PM (Sn/FZ)

116 108 Does the thought, "they'll miss me when I'm gone," of the suicidial individual bear likeness to the desires which mass murders intoxicate themselves with? Posted by: wooly bully at February 09, 2014 11:28 PM (R6JT1) Hide posts from (R6JT1)

Neither the time nor the place.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:32 PM (T1005)

117 I read just recently that Robocop's writer was inspired by Blade Runner, as he basically turned BR's plot inside out. BR is about humans fighting criminal cyborgs... Robocop is about a cyborg fighting criminal humans.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 09, 2014 07:33 PM (HVI5a)

118 All you need to know about turning an R-rated movie into a PG-13 movie and expecting it to do better is just look at the Die Hard series. Live Free or Die Hard was made PG-13 in theaters, and of course had the unrated dvd release. And yet if that had really been successful wouldn't you expect them to do the same thing with A Good Day to Die Hard? But the theatrical release for that was back to an R-rating.

Posted by: buzzion at February 09, 2014 07:33 PM (LI48c)

119 I lived in the middle of nowhere. Thd closesr neighborhood to me was Cedarwood, which just so happened to be adjacent to Brandeis campus, which the locals called Jew U. We used to go the quad and play Pac Man. And run around until security chased us out.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 07:34 PM (V/11D)

120 Robbie Risner looks like Colonel Bellows every time I scroll past his pic.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:34 PM (zDsvJ)

121 Cthulhu, I'm sorry if that was inappropriate due to factors I know nothing about. I was kinda pissed that a professional mortuary would post something like that. One doesn't like to see a friend's memorial botched.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 09, 2014 07:34 PM (XaO9F)

122 118 What made him do it?
Posted by: SFGoth at February 09, 2014 11:31 PM (Sn/FZ) Hide posts from (Sn/FZ)

Let's see....did I forget something in that "cautions" paragraph? No, there it is, "very unfortunate if it were referenced by anyone from here".

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:35 PM (T1005)

123 "This is because the Olympics are the only major sporting event where the majority of viewers are women." bingo. and thank you NBC -you suck.ABC was much better. several years ago NBC et al felt that males were maxed out as viewers and the only area for growth was women viewers. males were thought to be an inelastic operator. we would watch no matter what. however if you softened the olympics, had more biopics, replace boxing with synchronized dancing , swimming, wrestling whatever had girlie men like john Tesh and Bob Costas the women's viewship would jump. It worked , but hard core male sports fans were not so inelastic, we know shit when we see it and stopped watching.

Posted by: Buddy Rich at February 09, 2014 07:35 PM (p/izY)

124 If you haven't seen the video of Laura Ingraham ripping George Will and three other libdinks a new one, go to the sidebar and look at it at "Fire Andrea Mitchell". God damn, I thought for sure she was gonna deliver the "A riot is any ugly thing"... line at any moment! Wish she had.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at February 09, 2014 07:35 PM (qIFL7)

125 If you ever went to DAIRY JOY in Weston, you drove by my house.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 07:35 PM (V/11D)

126 118 Irrelevant. Jinx, Chimney fires are SCARY. Consider yourself lucky. Play the lottery tonight.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 07:35 PM (3mOji)

127 27 Marcus the giraffe murdered in Denmark, aged eighteen months. Totally unnecessary waste of a beautiful animal. Motherfuckers. Can't be. Only America is capable of such brutality.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 07:36 PM (4Chvm)

128 >> Brandeis campus, which the locals called Jew U I have a high school friend who went there. He told me their cheerleaders shouted, "Oy! Oy! Oy!" Team mascot was the "Judges." Pretty cool. They had some nice parts to that campus with iirc a lily pond and a statue of Justice Brandeis.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:36 PM (zDsvJ)

129 I called the FD, but it had consumed most of the fuel by the time they got here. I am in a very rural area.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 09, 2014 07:36 PM (l3vZN)

130 Ooh, Weston was nice.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:36 PM (zDsvJ)

131 @116 They are Danes.

However, part of my family having "hailed" from a place alternately part of Danish, German and Polish realms, I can say that the Danes beat the Germans on genetic purity, "hans" down.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 09, 2014 07:37 PM (xq1UY)

132 Those Olympic "human interest" stories almost always has a family member with an incurable disease, a severe disability, or cancer

So will NBC tell us they're all going to live because now they can't be refused for Obamacare?

Posted by: kbdabear at February 09, 2014 07:38 PM (aTXUx)

133 34 So much for Putin using the Olympics to fetch positive attention to the "new Russia". That's alright. Bob Costas and his ilk will gloss it over and spread lies and propoganda and the LIV's will swallow it, as usual.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 07:38 PM (4Chvm)

134 123 Robbie Risner looks like Colonel Bellows every time I scroll past his pic. Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 11:34 PM (zDsvJ) you're dating yourself

Posted by: Buddy Rich at February 09, 2014 07:39 PM (p/izY)

135 21 minutes till the second best sport at the Olympics start

Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 07:39 PM (bStrg)

136 I can't stand the Olympics as they are broadcast. Pick a network, show the event on that network, don't jump to the figure skating during another event, you have 5 networks to show the events on. Use them! Plus, if you don't like figure skating or snowboarding, you are screwed. Back in the old days the downhill was one of the signature events. Now? Team figure skating? Half board full tube snowboard or something?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 07:39 PM (HxSXm)

137 I used to enjoy going for a walk through the forests in the summer time. Flowers blooming, birds singing. pleasant afternoon temperatures with the bees buzzin'. Then one afternoon, a cloud passed over the sun, and I thought about all those trees sending roots out under ground to rob their neighbors of water and nutrients, and I got a little chill down my back.

It was right out of H.P. Lovecraft, those plants stealing water from each other, and those trees, those menacing, intimidating trees over powering everything while they fought among themselves for sunlight, stealing that life giving energy for themselves and starving the weaker plants.

Then I notice where one tree had been starved of nutrients and and fallen and it's carcass being ripped asunder by the survivors, cannibals eating the dead bodies of their fallen brothers.

That's when I understood, it's a plant eat plant jungle out there.!
I don't walk in the evil forests any longer. too dangerous.

Posted by: Y.U. Karen at February 09, 2014 07:39 PM (c5YkN)

138 you're dating yourself Posted by: Buddy Rich at February 09, 2014 11:39 PM (p/izY) Is that what we're calling self-abuse these days?

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:39 PM (nz3HL)

139 the LIV's will swallow it, as usual. Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 11:38 PM (4Chvm) Orwell called them proles

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 07:40 PM (p/izY)

140 @123- Ha! Col. Bellows. Funny. And what a douche Major Nelson was ... that show would have been very different had I found Genie's bottle, yes, very different indeed.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 07:40 PM (bS6uW)

141 124 Cthulhu, I'm sorry if that was inappropriate due to factors I know nothing about. I was kinda pissed that a professional mortuary would post something like that. One doesn't like to see a friend's memorial botched.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 09, 2014 11:34 PM (XaO9F)

No worries, just wanted to let you know that the mortuary probably didn't botch it.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:41 PM (T1005)

142 wtf is team figure skating?

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 07:42 PM (p/izY)

143 Cthulhu & Shredded Chi, I am using iPad now but will go to my laptop as soon as dryer is finished & read it.

Posted by: Carol at February 09, 2014 07:42 PM (z4WKX)

144 Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 11:39 PM (HxSXm) Any competition potentailly subject to the judgement of an East German (or such) to determine a winner is pointless.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:42 PM (nz3HL)

145 Plus, if you don't like figure skating or snowboarding, you are screwed. I'm screwed.

Posted by: t-bird at February 09, 2014 07:42 PM (FcR7P)

146 89Â I gotta collect myself before I sign John's guestbook.Â _________ Tell me about it, T-shirt. I still haven't been able to. Wait - I just noticed that someone is using "Buddy Rich" as a sock... Who's the drummer here?

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 07:43 PM (3mOji)

147 The only time I was interested in the Olympics was in 1984, the summer before I got married. I was living on Ramen noodles and hot dogs and McDonalds. McD's had a campaign where you pulled the sticker off the Big Mac boxes, fries packages and large drinks and your freebie was determined by what medal the U.S. won that day. Gold was a Big Mac, silver was fries and bronze was a beverage.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 07:43 PM (4Chvm)

148 id love to see curling with costas wig

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 07:44 PM (p/izY)

149 150 The only time I was interested in the Olympics was in 1984, the summer before I got married. -- LOL! Those were the last ones the mister and I watched with any interest. It was our honeymoon and we were flat broke, so we watched the Olympics.... .... and "wrestled."

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 07:44 PM (zDsvJ)

150 y. Gold was a Big Mac, silver was fries and bronze was a beverage. Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 11:43 PM (4Chvm) thank goodness for the soviet boycott. i ate a lot that summer

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 07:45 PM (p/izY)

151 Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 11:44 PM (p/izY) How about a Showgirls inspired ice cube competition?

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:45 PM (nz3HL)

152

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 11:39 PM (HxSXm)

connect PC to TV, steam from CBC who is streaming every event there

Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 07:45 PM (bStrg)

153 Sochi brings back a tradition. Wax paper for use as toilet tissue...A.K.A.......... "John Wayne toilet paper! It doesn't take crap off anybody!"

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at February 09, 2014 07:45 PM (cCxiu)

154 1. I am not on either top 10 this week. Yay. 2. God bless sven. Speaking of God bless, 3. cthulhu, thanks for the link to Joffen's obituary. Sadly, I feel I know more about him now that I know about almost anyone here. I feel I would have liked to have a hearty debate with him on some subjects, and maybe talk about a shared love of Superman and comics. Siiiigh. 4. Wrote the above, then 4, then sat here a long time thinking about life and afterlife and divine mercy. Guess I just had 3.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 09, 2014 07:45 PM (U13jb)

155 Alternatively, I'd love to see Costas beaten and plunger raped, and then left under a freeway overpass.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 07:46 PM (bS6uW)

156 What about Sven?

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:47 PM (nz3HL)

157 21 minutes till the second best sport at the Olympics start

Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 11:39 PM (bStrg)

You mean the one I watched live on NBCSN this morning?

Posted by: Methos at February 09, 2014 07:47 PM (hO9ad)

158 158 Alternatively, I'd love to see Costas beaten and plunger raped, and then left under a freeway overpass. Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 11:46 PM (bS6uW) What we need is plunger control!

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:48 PM (nz3HL)

159 wtf is team figure skating? it had better be the kick-line dancing in Slapshot!

Posted by: Eddie Shore brought his freaking toys at February 09, 2014 07:48 PM (R6JT1)

160 Y.U., you have just perfectly described how most of the world, particularly the first European settlers of America, thought about the unspoilt world of Nature before the German romantic movement repainted it for our pleasure. They couldn't cut them down fast enough.

Zoo culture has changed a lot. At the zoo in Toledo Ohio there is a building originally called Antlers Hall, because of the antler racks of very large game mounted in the central gallery. Kermit Roosevelt was there for the grand opening in the 20's. Supporters of the old zoo, safari hunters to a man, used to put on fund-pledging game dinners there, out of the spoils of their hunts.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 09, 2014 07:48 PM (xq1UY)

161 That's alright. Bob Costas and his ilk will gloss it over and spread lies and propoganda and the LIV's will swallow it, as usual.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 11:38 PM (4Chvm)

Kind of hard to be the organ of propaganda when the organ looks like it's rotting before your eyes and is repulsive to look at

Posted by: kbdabear at February 09, 2014 07:49 PM (aTXUx)

162 108 Does the thought, "they'll miss me when I'm gone," of the suicidial individual bear likeness to the desires which mass murders intoxicate themselves with? Posted by: wooly bully at February 09, 2014 11:28 PM Uh no. Most sucides involve some form of mental illness. I haven't seen much about spite suicides in the past 14 years I've been paying attention.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 07:49 PM (5epfz)

163 You mean the one I watched live on NBCSN this morning?

Posted by: Methos at February 09, 2014 11:47 PM (hO9ad)

Hockey is THE sport at the Winter Olympics (and any time of the year to be frank), meant curling

Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 07:50 PM (bStrg)

164 139Â I can't stand the Olympics as they are broadcast. Pick a network... _____________ Try not having cable. I tuned in last night, mainly to follow the conversation here, only to find NBC showing opening ceremonies while you guys were watching live events.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 07:50 PM (3mOji)

165 On a lighter note. Did anybody notice the UK map is labelled Doggerland. Go ahead and do a search on "UK Dogging". But don't do it at work.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] Thag Simmons at February 09, 2014 07:51 PM (UBpac)

166 @ 145 Avi, If the team figure skating is done on a figure 8 track at high speed with razor sharp skates, I am so there!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at February 09, 2014 07:51 PM (cCxiu)

167 What about Sven? -Underground Vulgarian If that was in reply to mine, pardon the obscure remark. I just meant, he isn't in the top 10s this week. Hope the prolific one is dealing well.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 09, 2014 07:52 PM (U13jb)

168 I have a friend who was shot down, F105. He has never/will never recover from the abuse received while staying at the Hilton. A hell of a guy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 09, 2014 07:52 PM (aDwsi)

169 I'd do so many bad things to this lady
http://bit.ly/1bhZo1U

Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 07:52 PM (bStrg)

170 I am off to bed, thank you for your well wishes. I will check out Joffen's obit before I turn in.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 09, 2014 07:53 PM (l3vZN)

171 And by the way, Herblock sucked. He and the WaPo were made for each other.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 09, 2014 07:54 PM (l3vZN)

172 165 Unfortunately, not always true. Sometimes hopelesness comes into play, with one seeing no other way out of a bad situation. ( How one describes a such a situation is open to debate, but ultimately decided by said individual). If it was just mental illness, many more would be spotted and prevented in advance.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 09, 2014 07:54 PM (ojnk6)

173 #120

Except the replicants weren't cyborgs. They were entirely synthetic.

There was a fair amount of other stuff that lead to Robocop. Martin Caiden's novel 'Cyborg' which in turn became 'The Six Million Dollar Man' on TV.

Before then there were a couple of incarnations of Robotman at DC comics, in each case a man's brain continuing in a robot body. The first version was in the 40s, and the second as part of the Doom Patrol.

Then there was a comics series that likely inspired both Robocop and another movie.
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/warrenverse/exterminator_one.html

Posted by: Epobirs at February 09, 2014 07:55 PM (bPxS6)

174 95 Well, of course they fed the giraffe to the lions. After all, it was the Christian thing to do. How the hell many giraffes led lives of enforced chastity in all the years before there were any zoo breeding programs? Now they claim that this animal living without mating would be too unnatural, and to let him breed would be dangerous to the race. How'd you like these administrators in charge of your health plan? An even better solution for the kids to watch would be to just push the live giraffe into the lions' cage. That way everything is 100% natural, and the lions can get in touch with their inner predator. You gonna be cold-blooded, go all in. Hell, why even have cages? Put 'em all in together, and let folks see how Nature really is. Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 09, 2014 11:24 PM (xq1UY) 25 years ago the DEA raided a drug house and found a tiger there. Upon more study, it was a rare Siberian tiger. The local zoo took it hoping to have a draw, which they did, and hopefully breed it. Turns out no other zoo would breed with it because her heritage was of "unsure purity". A freaking endangered almost extinct animal that they wouldn't breed because of PURITY. Now the cat is dead, and a female capable of procreating is dead, but, the zoological world gets it purity.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 07:56 PM (HxSXm)

175 If that was in reply to mine, pardon the obscure remark. I just meant, he isn't in the top 10s this week. Hope the prolific one is dealing well. Posted by: mindful webworker at February 09, 2014 11:52 PM (U13jb) oh ok - haven't been in the comments for a while so i thought i missed something

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:56 PM (nz3HL)

176 Thanks for the Joffen link. I bet not a single person involved in the giraffe incident thought: "Let's just release it into the wild, from whence it came!" Or, if one of them did say that, no doubt someone else instantly shot the idea down with "No, that would be too cruel. We should kill it and feed it to the lions instead." Who knew that abortionists were now in charge of the zoos?

Posted by: Sharkman at February 09, 2014 07:56 PM (8+xjO)

177 Just got back from a little bar time after babysitting the grand kids 1 and 3 for 9 hours. There must be some pheromone thing going on cause they still seem to like me. I know I am the most strict prick they deal with and they still at the end of the night come to me to cuddle on my lap. Weird

Posted by: The Hickster at February 09, 2014 07:57 PM (TI3xG)

178 Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 11:56 PM (HxSXm) PURE COMPARED WHAT?!?!

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 07:57 PM (nz3HL)

179 I have a friend who was shot down, F105. He has never/will never recover from the abuse received while staying at the Hilton. A hell of a guy. Posted by: Mike Hammer
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Is this your friend who passed recently? With the great obit?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 09, 2014 07:57 PM (4Mv1T)

180 wtf is team figure skating?
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Same events as usual, but after each is scorder, the teams get points for the ranks NASCAR style, nation with the most points wins.
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Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 11:50 PM (bStrg)
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Yeah I forgot you watch over the internet. I meant Luge which is on local NBC shortly. I'm kind of annoyed that the half evening broadcast is stuff I watched on their cable channel earlier in the day.

Posted by: Methos at February 09, 2014 07:57 PM (hO9ad)

181 Thank you so very much, Cthulhu and Shredded Chi. I posted Cthuluhu's original post from here over at the AoS Yahoo Group. Alot of good people terribly saddened by his death over there.

Posted by: L, elle at February 09, 2014 07:57 PM (Cuj/g)

182 Those Olympic "human interest" stories almost always has a family member with an incurable disease, a severe disability, or cancer --------------- Or..., competitors from an island nation that will soon be lost to sea-rise due to 'global warming'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 09, 2014 07:57 PM (aDwsi)

183 125 118
What made him do it?

Posted by: SFGoth at February 09, 2014 11:31 PM (Sn/FZ)
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Let's see....did I forget something in that "cautions" paragraph? No, there it is, "very unfortunate if it were referenced by anyone from here". Posted by: cthulhu

That's why I'm only referencing it here.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 09, 2014 07:57 PM (Sn/FZ)

184 wtf is team figure skating?

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 11:42 PM (p/izY)

A way to get more medals in figure skating. Plus more time for me to watch that hot Canadian chick.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 09, 2014 07:58 PM (WdbF7)

185 You will note that the family has requested donations in lieu of flowers. While I have nothing against florists, this is a good move. I helped my grandmother through my grandfather's funeral, and at the end, when people have said what they were going to and trickling out the door, you're left with this bunch of transitory foliage. You can't really take it with you and watch it fade, but making the effort to throw it away feels like cutting yourself off from the people who sent it.

Sadly, a trust fund for the little girl is nearly as transitory. She probably won't know about it for years -- and once she does, it will soon be turned into a variety of things that will seem like good ideas at the time. It won't give her a pair of arms to hold her when her heart is broken, a good talking-to when she needs some "midcourse correction", encouragement when she finds something difficult, counsel when she's considering alternatives....it won't provide constant love, comfort, attention, or support.

That said, the family's instructions were jarringly imprecise for this CPA. I called the bank to clarify, and here's the nuts-and-bolts if you want to donate. The check should be made out to "Isabelle Gloria Stevens" exactly -- all three names and spelled correctly. It would be helpful, but not necessary, to include "In memory of Johnathen Stevens" on the memo line. You should request a return receipt (easily done by slapping a post-it on the check with the magic words "return receipt requested" and your address) -- this will have the bank mail you, at their expense, confirmation that the money went to a specific account. The mailing address would be:

Isabelle Gloria Stevens Trust Fund

c/o First Niagara

14 Lafayette Square

Buffalo, NY 14203

I'm pretty sure that you don't regularly hear this from your accountant -- but whether this fund ends up with a buck or a billion, it's only money, and won't do anything for what this little girl really needs.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 07:58 PM (T1005)

186 Is anyone else getting really sick of it that every time you order something online nowadays, you get 10 messages from the site asking "how did we do?? Please rate your experience!!"

Hey, guys: if I complain, something went wrong. Otherwise, it was fine. Stop bothering me. Geez.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 09, 2014 07:59 PM (HVI5a)

187 Is this your friend who passed recently? With the great obit? Posted by: Tobacco Road --------------- Nope. This fellow still alive (I'm happy to say), and giving terrific interviews when called upon to do so.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 09, 2014 07:59 PM (aDwsi)

188 Robbie Risner played Cousin Oliver on the Brady Bunch.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 09, 2014 07:59 PM (V4CBV)

189 Costas is definitely a propaganda organ. Fuck that miniature tool.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 07:59 PM (MUvKr)

190 No one could draw H-bombs with a three day beard playing cards like Herblock..

Posted by: TexasJew at February 09, 2014 08:00 PM (pUAXu)

191 A way to get more medals in figure skating. Plus more time for me to watch that hot Canadian chick.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 09, 2014 11:58 PM (WdbF7)

I feel weird nowadays with getting boners watching female figure skating. I keep wondering if so and so is legal

Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 08:00 PM (bStrg)

192 175 165

Ahem....guys?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:00 PM (T1005)

193 What about Sven? Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 11:47 PM (nz3HL) He hasn't been posting recently, and hasn't used twitter since Jan. 25th. I hope he's alright.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 09, 2014 08:00 PM (AymDN)

194 185 Those Olympic "human interest" stories almost always has a family member with an incurable disease, a severe disability, or cancer --------------- Or..., competitors from an island nation that will soon be lost to sea-rise due to 'global warming'. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 09, 2014 11:57 PM (aDwsi) does anyone else start rooting for the profiled athlete to lose? nothing pisses me off more when they cut away from the race to show some assholes hometown etc. tonight they did a biopic of the mothers of a figure skating team. i hope they fall on their asses.

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 08:00 PM (p/izY)

195 175 -MWNP Can we just not even get into that kind of conversation? Again, reference cthulhu's post @ #60...

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 08:01 PM (3mOji)

196 The Dude: no worries. Those tights could make Rosie O'Donnell look feminine.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 09, 2014 08:01 PM (HVI5a)

197 Thank you for looking into the donations process, cthuhlu.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 08:01 PM (zDsvJ)

198 Tip for travelers who smoke. If you have a layover in Detroit and want to smoke. Go to the Westin in Concourse A. It's a nice area -- there is a small eating place and bar/eat. There are various meeting and relaxing areas -- nice sofa and chairs. WiFi. It's dark, but in a good and relaxing way. Anyway, ask the hostess. But if you go to the bar, take a right in the small corridor to the elevator, go up one level, walk a short way through the Westin and you are on the street. Return the same way. When you leave, you clear security at the TSA at the hotel, which is way shorter than the general mob and they seem to be nicer. All in all I had a nice snack, a drink, and got to take a smoke break too. Security was a breeze, but it was a Sunday too.

Pleasant surprise.

Posted by: gracepmc at February 09, 2014 08:02 PM (rznx3)

199 Is Bob Costas NBC's cousin Oliver?

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 08:03 PM (p/izY)

200 184 Thank you so very much, Cthulhu and Shredded Chi. I posted Cthuluhu's original post from here over at the AoS Yahoo Group. Alot of good people terribly saddened by his death over there. Posted by: L, elle at February 09, 2014 11:57 PM (Cuj/g) Hide posts from (Cuj/g)

Thank you for maintaining the link with the cautions. One of my biggest concerns was that they might get disconnected and the raw link passed on.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:04 PM (T1005)

201 A way to get more medals in figure skating. Plus more time for me to watch that hot Canadian chick.
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Tessa Virtue? I'd assume that was a porn name in any other context.
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I feel weird nowadays with getting boners watching female figure skating. I keep wondering if so and so is legal
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On TV at least they'll tell you 'this is so and so's third Olympics' so you'll be in the clear.

Posted by: Methos at February 09, 2014 08:04 PM (hO9ad)

202 OK, since you're all sick of the Olympics, I'll remind you that tomorrow is Westminster Kennel Club show (day 1). It'll be on CNBC on Monday, then USA on Tuesday. Go collies!

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 08:04 PM (zDsvJ)

203 196 What about Sven?

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 11:47 PM (nz3HL)

He hasn't been posting recently, and hasn't used twitter since Jan. 25th. I hope he's alright.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 10, 2014 12:00 AM (AymDN)

I saw Sven comment here earlier today.

Posted by: Steck at February 09, 2014 08:05 PM (5i94q)

204 I don't watch the Olympics ... because I don't have a tv ... And the fencing has gotten so bad that ... why bother ...

Posted by: Adriane... at February 09, 2014 08:05 PM (qoKTg)

205 I saw Sven comment here earlier today. Posted by: Steck at February 10, 2014 12:05 AM (5i94q) Good to hear.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 09, 2014 08:06 PM (AymDN)

206 195 Sorry all, I thought it was a more generic comment than the specifics at hand. My apologies to all, sincerely.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 09, 2014 08:06 PM (ojnk6)

207 no tits, no ass and I would smash the fuck out of it

http://bit.ly/1bi1aQv

Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 08:06 PM (bStrg)

208 195 175 165 Ahem....guys? Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 12:00 AM (T1005) I'm sorry, when exactly was it decreed that no one was to further mention the situation here? Cause I obviously missed that memo. Goth hasn't been around & doesn't even know what happened? Are you expecting curiosity to disappear, or that someone should just do a search on here to try to figure it out?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 08:06 PM (5epfz)

209 btw, the proper AoS phrasing goes thusly: And what of Sven? This is a classy joint, after all.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 08:06 PM (V/11D)

210 Love the Westminster, seriously good fun. From Newfies to Lhasas, the dog world is fascinating.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 08:07 PM (rufsg)

211 I feel weird nowadays with getting boners watching female figure skating. I keep wondering if so and so is legal

You think you've got problems. If you watch the speed skaters, you have to wonder if they're female. They do that with a "passport" now, you know.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 09, 2014 08:07 PM (xq1UY)

212 The Dude: no worries. Those tights could make Rosie O'Donnell look feminine.
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I just threw up on my keyboard.

Then my monitor.

Then my keyboard again.

Posted by: Methos at February 09, 2014 08:07 PM (hO9ad)

213 Westminster is gayer than male figure skating

Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 08:08 PM (bStrg)

214 200 Thank you for looking into the donations process, cthuhlu. Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 10, 2014 12:01 AM (zDsvJ) Hide posts from (zDsvJ)

Yeah, once you've been an accountant for a while, seeing any imprecision makes you want to get it right -- 'cause you know that one of your fellow accountants is going to get it dropped on their lap and go, "why me?"

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:08 PM (T1005)

215 You're welcome, Cthulhu. I posted it the way you wrote it. I wish I was saying You're Welcome to you under happier circumstances. This is all so bad. And hurts.

Posted by: L, elle at February 09, 2014 08:08 PM (Cuj/g)

216 I'm in a funk. So today I did something I hardly ever do -- bought a scratch ticket. I spent $4 and won $12. Yipee. I have two kinds of luck: shitty and none.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 08:08 PM (V/11D)

217 In fact most of the Olympic television coverage these days has become a reality show about athletes going to the Olympics rather than the actual events themselves. ^^THIS.

Posted by: rickl at February 09, 2014 08:09 PM (sdi6R)

218 Any competition potentailly subject to the judgement of an East German (or such) to determine a winner is pointless. Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 11:42 PM (nz3HL) That's what gets me. Ski jumping has "style points". Really? I figured it was jump as far as you can. I guess that is why I like the real skiing events, hockey, speed skating, and the bob/luge/skeleton. No judging, just a winner. I loved the cross country skiing and biathlon. Some of those chicks in the biathlon had some smoking hot asses. I'm screwed. Posted by: t-bird at February 09, 2014 11:42 PM (FcR7P) Don't worry. Hockey is coming up. connect PC to TV, steam from CBC who is streaming every event there Posted by: The Dude at February 09, 2014 11:45 PM (bStrg) I know I should because they actually know how to cover sports besides figure skating, but I don't have anyway to hook it up HD wise. My HDTV is a HDTV monitor with no HDMI inputs. Plus where else will I hear a F1 announcer doing luge but on NBC.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 08:09 PM (HxSXm)

219 "Tessa Virtue? I'd assume that was a porn name in any other context."

Yeah she's cute, but I was thinking of Kaetlyn Osmond. I had to google her to find her name, and now I've discovered she just turned 18 a few months ago so yeah a little weird.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 09, 2014 08:10 PM (WdbF7)

220 Oh goody, DE Michael Sam out of Missouri is going to be the first openly ghey NFL draftee I assume that Roger Goodell is already commissioning a bust of him for Canton Speaking of that thread earlier today that we should all be side by side with teh gheys over Russia because it's defending all our freedoms, I'll think about it when the gaystapo stops squashing free speech here in America

Posted by: kbdabear at February 09, 2014 08:10 PM (aTXUx)

221 Instead of the Olympics, I'll be watching mindless entertainment like Walking Dead, Teen Wolf, Leverage, Criminal Minds CSI Miami, CSI NY, Seinfeld and Gilligan's Island.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 08:10 PM (4Chvm)

222 >>213 Love the Westminster, seriously good fun. I enjoyed the agility trials yesterday, although Greg Louganis was an irritating commentator. Not just his affect, but his non-stop mindless prattling. But it was still fun watching the doggehs, especially some of the bigger ones. I was surprised how well a Rottweiler did. CNBC has been replaying some of the past Westminsters this weekend.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 08:10 PM (zDsvJ)

223 53 I watch ski jumping the same reason I watch NASCAR, I'm waiting for something bad to happen. I have no idea what makes a good jump.

Ze skiers go up, but where zey come down
is not my department!

Posted by: Wernher von Braun at February 09, 2014 08:10 PM (U82Km)

224 Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 11:10 PM (T1005) I never had any conversations, if that is the word we want want to use, with Joffen & feel it would be inappropriate for me to write anything on his familyÂ’s obituary. JoffenÂ’s sister wrote a nice eulogy but wonÂ’t have to speak it for a week. Cthulhu & Shredded Chi, you both did all you could. I read the desperation in your posts Cthulhu. You could not have done anything to save him. If you havenÂ’t yet, both of you have to know that there was nothing you could do. I read in one of the Yahoo group emails that heÂ’s been talked down before by one of the COBs, once was after CT school shooting.

Posted by: Carol at February 09, 2014 08:10 PM (z4WKX)

225 I love ice dancing. Even more than the other type of figure skating. Ballroom dancing on ice. How can you beat that?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 09, 2014 08:11 PM (r+7wo)

226 My favorite thing to watch on Sunday night: the hour-long TMZ weekly wrap-up.

Great, fairly brainless way to call the weekend to a close.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 09, 2014 08:11 PM (HVI5a)

227 I'm in a funk. So today I did something I hardly ever do -- bought a scratch ticket. I spent $4 and won $12. -- Drinks are on Soothsayer!

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 08:12 PM (zDsvJ)

228 223 Oh goody, DE Michael Sam out of Missouri is going to be the first openly ghey NFL draftee Who cares?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 08:12 PM (4Chvm)

229 hi all

Posted by: chemjeff at February 09, 2014 08:13 PM (9GG/0)

230 L, elle - allow me to "second" the thank you. A big concern we had was that the bigger message would be lost.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 08:13 PM (3mOji)

231 223 Been discussed at length already. Meh.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 09, 2014 08:13 PM (ojnk6)

232 hi ya chemjeff.

Posted by: L, elle at February 09, 2014 08:13 PM (Cuj/g)

233 The relatively small amount of people in the media are more concerned with people's sexual orientations than everyone in fly-over country combined.

Posted by: Iasonas at February 09, 2014 08:14 PM (FHNkr)

234 Howdy chemjeff! Mix anything dangerous in the lab recently?

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 08:14 PM (zDsvJ)

235 I can't remember, was Jim McKay as bad as Costas?

Posted by: Puncher at February 09, 2014 08:14 PM (LhAqq)

236 Bebe -- I'm typing an email.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:15 PM (T1005)

237 Not in his prime, Puncher.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 08:15 PM (zDsvJ)

238 219 I'm in a funk. So today I did something I hardly ever do -- bought a scratch ticket. Winter seems to have people in more of a slump than usual. Stay positive, take vitamins and try to enjoy the snow (cause it's not going away for awhile). I figure if it's going to be cold and gray it might as well be sowing.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 08:15 PM (4Chvm)

239 228 I love ice dancing. Even more than the other type of figure skating. Ballroom dancing on ice. How can you beat that? ------------------ Extreme Ice Dancing. With snipers.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 09, 2014 08:16 PM (yVE5m)

240 Speaking of that thread earlier today that we should all be side by side with teh gheys over Russia because it's defending all our freedoms, I'll think about it when the gaystapo stops squashing free speech here in America

My concern for other folks claim of rights is pretty much proportional to the product of "Do I claim that right?" and "How far are they going to protect my rights?"

Posted by: Methos at February 09, 2014 08:16 PM (hO9ad)

241 Janet Napoletano wants to be a figure skater at Sochi

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 08:16 PM (p/izY)

242 Shredded Chi, no thank you necessary. I'm so sick and sad by all of it. I am grateful with this whole thing that he had 2 good guys in you and Cthulhu close to him near the end.

Posted by: L, elle at February 09, 2014 08:17 PM (Cuj/g)

243 I spent $4 and won $12. Â --Â Drinks are on Soothsayer! Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February _________( Make mine a doube! Don't worry - I'm a Moron, so I drink Valu-Rite.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 08:17 PM (3mOji)

244 Ballroom dancing on ice. How can you beat that? rum and coke on ice ?!?

Posted by: Adriane... at February 09, 2014 08:17 PM (qoKTg)

245 But I don't understand this whole team event nonsense. Are they trying to turn figure skating into gymnastics?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 09, 2014 08:17 PM (r+7wo)

246 238 I can't remember, was Jim McKay as bad as Costas? Posted by: Puncher at February 10, 2014 12:14 AM (LhAqq) I don't think so, but that was a long time ago, and my memory is probably faulty.

Posted by: rickl at February 09, 2014 08:18 PM (sdi6R)

247 Good line about the "reality show" aspect of the Olympics, Maet. Well said.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 09, 2014 08:18 PM (ZPrif)

248 Gold was a Big Mac, silver was fries and bronze was a beverage. Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 09, 2014 11:43 PM (4Chvm) thank goodness for the soviet boycott. i ate a lot that summer I was a manager for McD's for that promo. It cost corporate a pile and was a nightmare to track redemptions. The USA won a ton of medals and it seemed most cards were winners. I imagine there are marketing students studying that promotion.

Posted by: Bookdoc at February 09, 2014 08:18 PM (Opyrm)

249 238 I can't remember, was Jim McKay as bad as Costas? Posted by: Puncher at February 10, 2014 12:14 AM (LhAqq) no those were the good old days of Olmpic coverage. it was the Wide World of Sports covering the Olympics. not a gay reality show.

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 08:18 PM (p/izY)

250 214 I feel weird nowadays with getting boners watching female figure skating. I keep wondering if so and so is legal You think you've got problems. If you watch the speed skaters, you have to wonder if they're female. They do that with a "passport" now, you know. Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 10, 2014 12:07 AM (xq1UY) I wonder what the odds of that 15 year old Russian figure skater ending up as Putin's girlfriend in 3 years will be. You just know he wants that. He's got a former Olympic gymnast now, so he probably has his eye out for a new Olympian.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 08:18 PM (HxSXm)

251 Why couldn't I win $50K Why not Me?

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 09, 2014 08:19 PM (V/11D)

252 Remember when good ol' Jimmah Carter took it upon himself for the American Olympic team to boycott the 1980 games in Moscow? It was supposedly to protest their invasion of Afghanistan.

I think that was one of the "last straws" that brought the election in for Reagan.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 09, 2014 08:20 PM (HVI5a)

253 224 Instead of the Olympics, I'll be watching mindless entertainment like Walking Dead, Teen Wolf, Leverage, Criminal Minds CSI Miami, CSI NY, Seinfeld and Gilligan's Island. Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 10, 2014 12:10 AM (4Chvm) New season of Top Gear starts tomorrow night on BBC America I wish that Orphan Black show was so disjointed, the actress who plays the cloned chick is hot

Posted by: kbdabear at February 09, 2014 08:20 PM (aTXUx)

254 OMG. I thought that Jay Leno was actually Angela Landsbury. With a kitten in her shirt.

/I obviously am hopped up on hot cocoa....

Posted by: shibumi at February 09, 2014 08:20 PM (25HWz)

255 ABC would never have let John Tesh or Costas run the Olympics

Posted by: Avi at February 09, 2014 08:20 PM (p/izY)

256 I love ice dancing. Even more than the other type of figure skating. Ballroom dancing on ice. How can you beat that?

Elevated platform with sections that fall away at certain intervals.

Posted by: Methos at February 09, 2014 08:21 PM (hO9ad)

257 Extreme Ice Dancing. With snipers. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 10, 2014 12:16 AM (yVE5m) AlternatlyÂ… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba0chf_WCfU

Posted by: The Gojira Hat at February 09, 2014 08:21 PM (AymDN)

258 Jim McKay supposedly was very good about calling out terrorism for what it was-- terrorism-- at the 1972 Munich Games.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 09, 2014 08:21 PM (HVI5a)

259 BBD: If you're still reading, why don't you grab Cth by the ear, or tentacle, and drag him over to T9 for a stern talking to?

Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 08:21 PM (FlRtG)

260 213 Love the Westminster, seriously good fun. From Newfies to Lhasas, the dog world is fascinating. Posted by: Blacksheep at February 10, 2014 12:07 AM (rufsg) I love it too, but why isn't it on the Food Network?

Posted by: Barack Soetero at February 09, 2014 08:21 PM (HxSXm)

261 Too bad I'm not an anti-American cop killing transgendered Native American late term abortion doctor skater of some type. They'd create a class and medal just for me.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 08:22 PM (bS6uW)

262 261 Jim McKay supposedly was very good about calling out terrorism for what it was-- terrorism-- at the 1972 Munich Games. --- What a terrible thing that was. I was 10 then. Get off my lawn.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 09, 2014 08:23 PM (zDsvJ)

263 I wish that Orphan Black show was so disjointed, the actress who plays the cloned chick is hot Is that Sirius Black's little sister?

Posted by: Adriane... at February 09, 2014 08:23 PM (qoKTg)

264 I think that was one of the "last straws" that brought the election in for Reagan. Posted by: qdpsteve at February 10, 2014 12:20 AM (HVI5a) What Jimmah really did to fuck himself over vis a vis the Soviet invasion was the grain embargo. Middle of a nasty ass recession and a lot of those midwest farmers lost a huge buyer

Posted by: kbdabear at February 09, 2014 08:24 PM (aTXUx)

265 209 As you and I spoke about, I have some recent experience in this area. So, pardon me for chiming in, but I think this needs to be realized.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 09, 2014 08:24 PM (ojnk6)

266 Ivan is up to something. The Sochi shenanigans are way too over-the-top for a country where media events are carefully scripted... and the whole world watches the Olympics.

Posted by: Spa Fon or Squa Tront at February 09, 2014 08:25 PM (i+I1A)

267 262

BBD:

If you're still reading, why don't you grab Cth by the ear, or tentacle, and drag him over to T9 for a stern talking to?

Posted by: Arbalest at February 10, 2014 12:21 AM (FlRtG) Hide posts from (FlRtG)

BBD knows where my tentacles are. We've been to Disneyland together!

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:25 PM (T1005)

268 I know a half a dozen people who, as children, had an adult parent commit suicide. Really only one of those people is in good shape today. The others have a constellation of long-term issues proximally related to their parent's death.

It is a hell of a legacy with which to visit a kid.

A few years ago, a deeply depressed friend vanished, and I was *absolutely* convinced that he had hiked off in the deep back woods and capped himself, and in all honesty, all I could think was, "Thank God he never had children," envisioning the effect it would have had upon them.

I know that clinically depressed people really are blinded by that terrible illness to where they can not rationally evaluate consequences, including what will happen to those close to them. If it were different, I have to imagine that at least some would reflect and turn back.

I was away from the ONT when Joffen stepped out. My condolences to those of you who had to endure the horrific strain of dawning realization, but were unable to do anything to change events. And of course my thoughts are with his surviving family and their hard new reality. Wouldn't wish their lot on anyone.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 09, 2014 08:25 PM (gqT4g)

269 248 But I don't understand this whole team event nonsense. Are they trying to turn figure skating into gymnastics? Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 10, 2014 12:17 AM (r+7wo) Trying to add another 3 days of television programming for NBC. With the amount of scratch NBC paid to the IOC for the broadcast rights, the IOC was very happy to add another figure skating event that didn't add any more athletes to the games since the teams are made up of individuals who qualified for the Olympics.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 08:25 PM (HxSXm)

270 Love the Westminster, seriously good fun. From Newfies to Lhasas, the dog world is fascinating. Posted by: Blacksheep at February 10, 2014 12:07 AM (rufsg) It was only enjoyable when Triumph the Insult Comedy Dog crashed it.

Posted by: The Hat for not pooping on at February 09, 2014 08:26 PM (AymDN)

271 I've never watched an Olympics less than this one. Not exactly sure why. I'm not consciously trying not to watch. I'm just ... not. Partly it's my changing TV viewing habits. I just watch less TV, less channel flipping, so I don't stumble upon it. I watch more video on my laptop. Or marathon watch a series on my TV. But 6 years of Obama's boot on my throat while half of America cheers has also seriously weakened my sense of national pride. Which is too bad cause I used to be a pretty patriotic kind of guy. I used to feel a much greater sense of kinship with a random American. Now when I see the Olympics I think of assholes like Bob Costas calling people like me right-wing nazis. When I see an American athlete win I can't help but wonder if they are an enthusiastic supporter of Obama and whether they will lend their new celebrity towards demonizing me and my family. It's too bad.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 09, 2014 08:26 PM (ZPrif)

272 First night off of the week and have zero temptation to watch the Olympics as produced by NBC. Olympics was the original We Are The World Â…Â…and we ain't Was sleeping earlier so don't know if it was mentioned, but extremely interesting piece @ AT referencing Article V as championed by Vic, and lately Levin (in his book) http://tinyurl.com/k2xyu6h

Posted by: ontherocks at February 09, 2014 08:27 PM (ao0Sx)

273 This is a classy joint, after all. Posted by: Soothsayer at February 10, 2014 12:06 AM (V/11D) Noted.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 09, 2014 08:29 PM (nz3HL)

274 New season of Top Gear starts tomorrow night on BBC America I wish that Orphan Black show was so disjointed, the actress who plays the cloned chick is hot Posted by: kbdabear at February 10, 2014 12:20 AM (aTXUx) Is it wrong to think that she is hotter as the housewife? Love the show, but I think the showrunner has been taking too many lessons from Russell Davies wrt teh ghey.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 08:29 PM (HxSXm)

275 272 cthulhu at February 10, 2014 12:25 AM (T1005) We've been to Disneyland together! ♫ ♪ It's a Small World After All ♩♬

Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 08:29 PM (FlRtG)

276 268 209
As you and I spoke about, I have some recent experience in this area. So, pardon me for chiming in, but I think this needs to be realized. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 10, 2014 12:24 AM (ojnk6) Hide posts from (ojnk6)

I'm not trying to quash discussion about anything or everything....but I am extremely concerned about the effect on the family if they were exposed to the whole experience here. I'd feel much better if any such discussion were in another thread, preferably after a little time had passed.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:29 PM (T1005)

277 BBD: If you're still reading, why don't you grab Cth by the ear, or tentacle, and drag him over to T9 for a stern talking to? Posted by: Arbalest at February 10, 2014 12:21 AM (FlRtG) Hey Arb. My Internet is down again. I'm posting on the phone, and can't get T9 to work on the phone. My Internet dependent (for work) temporary tenant is leaving in a week, and the fireman moving in doesn't have to have super speedy service for work, so I can get my ass back over there. How are Rose, Birkie et al?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 08:30 PM (5epfz)

278 "I have a friend who was shot down, F105. He has never/will never recover from the abuse received while staying at the Hilton. A hell of a guy."

There are memoirs written by those who were members of the 105 community during the war.

I recall reading one, and being struck by the author's recounting of how he had realized, after arriving in Southeast Asia, that it was at that time mathematically impossible for a 105 pilot to complete a hundred-mission tour without either dying or becoming a POW.

The loss rate really was that high. And yet they flew anyway. As so many times before, the question comes up, "Where do we find such men?"

Posted by: torquewrench at February 09, 2014 08:32 PM (gqT4g)

279 269 Ivan is up to something. The Sochi shenanigans are way too over-the-top for a country where media events are carefully scripted... and the whole world watches the Olympics.

Posted by: Spa Fon or Squa Tront at February 10, 2014 12:25 AM (i+I1A)

Nah. Face it, the olympics are a clusterfuck to begin with. Its probably a miracle that functioning countries pull them off with minor hiccups. You add in the Russian hubris, the fear of Putin, the corruption of Russia ontop of the olympic corruption, and the fact that you're turning a SUMMER resort into the Winter Olympics location and this is what you get.

Posted by: buzzion at February 09, 2014 08:32 PM (LI48c)

280 I'd feel much better if any such discussion were in another thread, preferably after a little time had passed. Adjourn for a month?

Posted by: j'recuse! at February 09, 2014 08:33 PM (R6JT1)

281 279 I agree, and suggested this, although I was far, far too early for this sort of thing to let all air it out. I'm attending a service tomorrow. It's screwing with my thinking. Be well.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 09, 2014 08:33 PM (ojnk6)

282 BBD: They're doing well. Several people are missing though. Some are here, others not.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 08:33 PM (FlRtG)

283 I got a new router during the week

Posted by: phreshone at February 09, 2014 08:35 PM (Q6pxP)

284 @275 - It's appropriate they're in Russia with their dick-sucking fanboi Costas this year. After all, one way to get the world to sing in perfect harmony is to identify everyone who's out of tune and have them executed. Perhaps as a pivotal experiment of sorts.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 08:36 PM (bS6uW)

285 God bless.Robbie Risner.

Posted by: Alf767 at February 09, 2014 08:38 PM (71bXH)

286 I'm not trying to quash discussion about anything or everything....but I am extremely concerned about the effect on the family if they were exposed to the whole experience here. I'd feel much better if any such discussion were in another thread, preferably after a little time had passed. Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 12:29 AM (T1005) Coothie, I'm not trying to be a bitch about this. But in all honesty, if you are this worried about his family stumbling over here after asking anyone here that signs the guestbook not to connect the HQ, then the post should not have gone up. Unfortunately, a lot of people have firsthand experience with suicide, and it's not out there for that to get mentioned in response to this. Point of reference, Torque's post at 271.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 08:38 PM (5epfz)

287 Nah. Face it, the olympics are a clusterfuck to begin with. Its probably a miracle that functioning countries pull them off with minor hiccups. You add in the Russian hubris, the fear of Putin, the corruption of Russia ontop of the olympic corruption, and the fact that you're turning a SUMMER resort into the Winter Olympics location and this is what you get. Posted by: buzzion at February 10, 2014 12:32 AM (LI48c) You ain't seen nothin' yet!

Posted by: Brazil at February 09, 2014 08:39 PM (AymDN)

288 It was Robbie Rist, not Risner.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 09, 2014 08:39 PM (HVI5a)

289 269 Ivan is up to something. The Sochi shenanigans are way too over-the-top for a country where media events are carefully scripted... and the whole world watches the Olympics. Posted by: Spa Fon or Squa Tront at February 10, 2014 12:25 AM (i+I1A) Ivan is doing what Ivan always does, trying to get states to affiliate with it. Putin has the world looking at him, and he is relishing it. Since 2009, the world has been without a leader, and he is working like hell to fill that void. Nature abhors a vacuum, and Obama's "leadership" has created a huge vacuum of world leadership, and Putin aims to fill it.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 09, 2014 08:39 PM (HxSXm)

290 Posted by: torquewrench at February 10, 2014 12:25 AM (gqT4g) Hide posts from (gqT4g)

There's a lot to reflect on and learn from each other, but I'm really hoping that it occurs after Joffen's funeral. I really don't want to cause his relations any further pain and dread the possibility that this post might turn up first on search engines.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:41 PM (T1005)

291 285 BBD: They're doing well. Several people are missing though. Some are here, others not. Posted by: Arbalest at February 10, 2014 12:33 AM (FlRtG) Who's missing besides our friend what likes to deliver Bag 'O Snakes via trebuchet? ChiDude & I email so I know he just showed back up after finally getting a new computer.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 08:42 PM (5epfz)

292

FWIW

When someone posts goodnight, I actually wave goodbye. When someone asks for prayers, I pray right then and there, and when someone mentions they're going through trials and tribulations, I wish them peace.

That's what this place does to me and for me...So thanks.

Posted by: Puncher at February 09, 2014 08:43 PM (LhAqq)

293 dread the possibility that this post might turn up first on search engines. And how does that happen when his name has not appeared here?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 08:44 PM (5epfz)

294 poor guy

Posted by: chemjeff at February 09, 2014 08:45 PM (9GG/0)

295 You're a good egg, Puncher. Thank you.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 09, 2014 08:45 PM (bS6uW)

296 283 I'd feel much better if any such discussion were in another thread, preferably after a little time had passed.

Adjourn for a month? Posted by: j'recuse! at February 10, 2014 12:33 AM (R6JT1) Hide posts from (R6JT1)

Nah, just keep it under the radar for a couple of weeks. Think "search terms". If you want to talk about it in the very next open thread, just replace "Joffen" with "Mr. X", and that other terrible thing with "doing the duck", and go right ahead.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:45 PM (T1005)

297 Since the internet is a toy to me, I'll defer further input on the subject.

Posted by: Gold Meddlelist at February 09, 2014 08:47 PM (R6JT1)

298 I just hope he's in a better place.
he was such a tormented guy.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 09, 2014 08:48 PM (9GG/0)

299 our friend what likes to deliver Bag 'O Snakes via trebuchet ?? Other than the ones who are here, P and R2 have not been seen in months (R2 maybe a year, might be permanant). J might have left (I used "Get off my lawn" and he might have missed the Ace reference, even though he has posted here). The regulars are still there.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 08:49 PM (FlRtG)

300 re Doggerland: I know this ain't the book thread but, here's a review of Stephen Baxter's "wall" trilogy -
http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=14323

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 09, 2014 08:50 PM (30eLQ)

301 I'm not trying to quash discussion about anything or everything....but I am extremely concerned about the effect on the family if they were exposed to the whole experience here. I'd feel much better if any such discussion were in another thread, preferably after a little time had passwas ____________ Honestly, I'd like to see some discussion - perhaps without all the details. I'm going to bank on the family never finding their way here, but I still don't want to see any talk of anything that would cause them pain if they did.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 08:50 PM (3mOji)

302 296 dread the possibility that this post might turn up first on search engines.

And how does that happen when his name has not appeared here? Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 10, 2014 12:44 AM (5epfz) Hide posts from (5epfz)

People are going to be signing the guestbook, hopefully saying they knew him "from the internet". It was also part of his Twitter handle.

It is impossible to make it impossible....I'm just trying to avoid making it somewhere between inevitable and trivially easy. And like I said, "doing the duck" with "Mr. X" on the next open thread -- I'd, personally, be no end of relieved.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:50 PM (T1005)

303 Welp boys and girls, time to turn in. Be good to each other.

Posted by: Y-not at February 09, 2014 08:51 PM (w/Ebk)

304

The Fuck? Can someone hook me up with the Yahoo group thing? Been away for a few days and just caught this... Don't want to ask for any details here obviously.

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at February 09, 2014 08:52 PM (X3xYu)

305 302 All I got out of that was "R2D2" Am i totally wrong?

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 08:53 PM (3mOji)

306 Honestly, I'd like to see some discussion - perhaps without all the details.
I'm going to bank on the family never finding their way here, but I still don't want to see any talk of anything that would cause them pain if they did. Posted by: shredded chi at February 10, 2014 12:50 AM (3mOji) Hide posts from (3mOji)

The way this thread is going, I'm starting to consider Joffen-bombing the next LOLcats thread.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:54 PM (T1005)

307 Arb, P is scarce on email too. He said work has been busy the last I talked to him. But he posts here once in a whole. I thought I saw him on a day walker thread today.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 08:54 PM (5epfz)

308 I'm not trying to quash discussion about anything or everything....but I am extremely concerned about the effect on the family if they were exposed to the whole experience here. I'd feel much better if any such discussion were in another thread, preferably after a little time had passed.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 12:29 AM (T1005)

Eh - I have very mixed feelings about the idea of self-censorship of any discussion of Joffen. I'm a big believer in being real which means acknowledging what you're feeling when you're feeling it and being able to talk about it.

I don't know how much his family was aware of his online activities here or if they even know of this particular website of Joffen's nick here. But whether it's discussed tonight or a month from now, it'll still be just a Google search away should they come looking for it.

And nothing I've seen here of what Joffen posted and people's interactions with him was anything to be shamed of. In fact most morons went out of their way to be friendly and encouraging to Joffen and some were probably as close to him anyone in his life. And the real pain we're experiencing from his death is a testament to this.

So I'm not a big fan of sniffling our own discussion and keeping secrets (that aren't really secrets at all) on the off chance that his family might somehow eve find their way here and possibly be hurt by what they read. I don't see this scenario happening and having a de facto blog blackout on any discussion of it is IMO unfair to the people here who are still struggling with what happened.

But I know others may disagree and have different philosophies when it comes to these sorts of things.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 09, 2014 08:55 PM (XkotV)

309 All I got out of that was "R2D2" Am i totally wrong? Posted by: shredded chi at February 10, 2014 12:53 AM (3mOji) Probably

Posted by: C3PO at February 09, 2014 08:55 PM (AymDN)

310 shredded chi: BBD can translate.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 08:55 PM (FlRtG)

311 307
The Fuck? Can someone hook me up with the Yahoo group thing? Been away for a few days and just caught this... Don't want to ask for any details here obviously.
Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at February 10, 2014 12:52 AM (X3xYu) Hide posts from (X3xYu)

Thank you.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 08:55 PM (T1005)

312 Anyone check out the headlines on Drudge about what a ruthless backstabbing Manichaean tyrant Hillary is?

I know, not exactly news here.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 09, 2014 08:57 PM (30eLQ)

313 Cthulhu, is there an address where we could send cards for Joffen's family? Do you have an email address that you'd be willing to share? I was on the 3-way call with you and Joffen that night a few weeks back.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 09, 2014 08:57 PM (PZ6/M)

314 307 Not in it, but as I undersand in, search Yahoo groups for Ace of Spades, passy val-u-rite. Please correct me if I'm wrong, all.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 09, 2014 08:57 PM (ojnk6)

315 309 I know, man. Not the way I thought it would go. Why do you think I deleted the two-paragraph post I had prepared?

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 08:57 PM (3mOji)

316 There is only LenoCats--high pitched, union litter felines

Posted by: Doc Severedclan at February 09, 2014 08:58 PM (R6JT1)

317 308 302 All I got out of that was "R2D2" Am i totally wrong? Posted by: shredded chi at February 10, 2014 12:53 AM Talking about peeps at Table 9 chat, which our little mensch Rose put up when Carlos Hjohson killed the lounge.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 08:59 PM (5epfz)

318 The thing about Hillary is we now know that she knew all about Bill sleeping around, and she still was the proud captain of the "bimbo eruption" crisis response team that would smear every new woman that went public with allegations against dirtbag Bill. It was Hillary's strategy to publicly smear the women, women that she knew were telling the truth, as white trash whores, trailer park trash, and crazy sluts. She would play the aggrieved wife for the cameras, while behind the scenes run vicious smear campaigns against women that she knew for a fact were telling the truth. That's so evil. Ruthless Lady MacBeth type stuff. Bill would fuck em, but Hillary was the one who would really give them a public ass-raping.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 09, 2014 09:02 PM (ZPrif)

319 My brother offed himself back in 76 when I was in 7th grade. All this tech wasn't available for me to search then. But if it was and info was available it would have been up to me to search it out. And that would mean me searching. As long as you aren't sending to them. info searched for and found may actually be comforting. Assuming it's not bullshit.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 09, 2014 09:02 PM (TI3xG)

320 It was also part of his Twitter handle. Judging by the aftermath of my parents funeral, I doubt they're gonna have the energy to go searching. Given the circumstances, I'd say it makes a search even less likely.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 09:03 PM (5epfz)

321 311 I'm not trying to quash discussion about anything or everything....but I am extremely concerned about the effect on the family if they were exposed to the whole experience here. I'd feel much better if any such discussion were in another thread, preferably after a little time had passed.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 12:29 AM (T1005)

Eh - I have very mixed feelings about the idea of self-censorship of any discussion of Joffen. I'm a big believer in being real which means acknowledging what you're feeling when you're feeling it and being able to talk about it.

I don't know how much his family was aware of his online activities here or if they even know of this particular website of Joffen's nick here. But whether it's discussed tonight or a month from now, it'll still be just a Google search away should they come looking for it.

And nothing I've seen here of what Joffen posted and people's interactions with him was anything to be shamed of. In fact most morons went out of their way to be friendly and encouraging to Joffen and some were probably as close to him anyone in his life. And the real pain we're experiencing from his death is a testament to this.

So I'm not a big fan of sniffling our own discussion and keeping secrets (that aren't really secrets at all) on the off chance that his family might somehow eve find their way here and possibly be hurt by what they read. I don't see this scenario happening and having a de facto blog blackout on any discussion of it is IMO unfair to the people here who are still struggling with what happened.

But I know others may disagree and have different philosophies when it comes to these sorts of things.
Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at February 10, 2014 12:55 AM (XkotV) Hide posts from (XkotV)

OK, I'm fucking paranoid. Duck! Duck! Duck!

Plus, I've got unresolved guilt issues about the way Chi found out.

I am comforted that you would think this an excess of caution. It is obviously not the official position of the blog nor would I urge it to be. But I'll just put it out there that I don't want some nine-year-old cousin of his to stumble into seeing things through my eyes.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 09:04 PM (T1005)

322 I don't make Ben Browder in tight leather pants jokes on the grounds that the man does have a wife and children who might read them...

Posted by: Adriane... at February 09, 2014 09:08 PM (qoKTg)

323 311 -Maet, thank you. I hope I don't piss off my friend, but thank you. There are certainly some things here that the family should not see if they found this place, though. I knew Joffen as well as, or better than, anyone here, and I think it's safe to say that he would not be ashamed of anything he ever said. He was a very bright guy that contributed a lot. With the exception of that last night, i would share all his thoughts with his family. That is what the concern is all about.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 09:10 PM (3mOji)

324 316 Cthulhu, is there an address where we could send cards for Joffen's family? Do you have an email address that you'd be willing to share? I was on the 3-way call with you and Joffen that night a few weeks back. Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 10, 2014 12:57 AM (PZ6/M) Hide posts from (PZ6/M)

I have an email that I would be willing to share with you once I put myself together a bit and figure out a sneaky way to get it to you. As far as physical addresses, I believe that you could send them care of the address in the obit. Alternatively, the names in the obit are real names -- strange as that may be among this crowd! -- and they may be listed in local directories.

And I never got to say, "bless you" for calling when you did. He was really amazed at the calls he was getting from all over.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 09:11 PM (T1005)

325 I just happened to be thinking (always a dangerous venture for me)... Superman[[/i] is the archetypal hero, the Herculean man-god of the Space Age. No matter how the mythos may be tortured by the trademark's owners, the true, simple, humble, heroic spirit of the big blue boy scout, the noble American from Kansas who also happened to be a powerful demigod, is universally inspiring. In the absence of true theological understanding, estranged from the mainstream of apostolic messaging, bereft of a supportive congregation, the Spirit still cries to the soul; there can still be idealism, belief in that which can be known but not shown, an unrecognized but perhaps still saving child-like faith. ⊙ Good night, Gracies.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 09, 2014 09:13 PM (ELs9k)

326 I am comforted that you would think this an excess of caution. It is obviously not the official position of the blog nor would I urge it to be. But I'll just put it out there that I don't want some nine-year-old cousin of his to stumble into seeing things through my eyes.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 01:04 AM (T1005)

But that's not in your power to control anyway.

People are acting as if Joffen's participation here was some kind of shameful secret that we all must conspire together to cover up lest his family ever find out about it.

Based on my experiences with suicides in my own family if they come searching, it will be because they're trying to answer the usual unanswered questions of why, when, were there signs and what could have been done. Some of his comments here may fill in some the gaps and I can't recall anything that would be an embarrassment to Joffen's memory or to the morons here. Living in fear of this possibility isn't healthy either.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 09, 2014 09:14 PM (XkotV)

327 That smashed door looks not-dissimilar to my bedroom door which once decided not to open, thus making me potentially miss an important meeting at work.

I didn't miss the meeting.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 09, 2014 09:14 PM (WtVhX)

328 Plus, I've got unresolved guilt issues about the way Chi found out. I will say to you again: you have nothing to feel guilty about. You did what you could to help a troubled soul who unfortunately could not help himself. You weren't able to inform Chi in a way you preferred, but that is the way it went down. What's the saying? Life is what happens when we're busy making other plans.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 09, 2014 09:18 PM (5epfz)

329 329 I am comforted that you would think this an excess of caution. It is obviously not the official position of the blog nor would I urge it to be. But I'll just put it out there that I don't want some nine-year-old cousin of his to stumble into seeing things through my eyes.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 01:04 AM (T1005)

But that's not in your power to control anyway.

People are acting as if Joffen's participation here was some kind of shameful secret that we all must conspire together to cover up lest his family ever find out about it.

Based on my experiences with suicides in my own family if they come searching, it will be because they're trying to answer the usual unanswered questions of why, when, were there signs and what could have been done. Some of his comments here may fill in some the gaps and I can't recall anything that would be an embarrassment to Joffen's memory or to the morons here. Living in fear of this possibility isn't healthy either.
Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at February 10, 2014 01:14 AM (XkotV) Hide posts from (XkotV)

That's actually not what I'm concerned about. Would you get an email if I sent you one now?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 09:19 PM (T1005)

330 That's actually not what I'm concerned about. Would you get an email if I sent you one now?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 01:19 AM (T1005)

Yep - email me.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 09, 2014 09:20 PM (XkotV)

331 The elevator shaft reminds me of how they got rid of Diana Muldaur on LA Law a zillion years ago. It had finally began to sink in to the producers that the audience really hated the character. So one had her in a heated conversation while stepping into an elevator as soon as the doors opened. Except there was no elevator, just an empty shaft. Exit Diana Muldaur.

The title of the episode?

'Good To The Last Drop'

Posted by: Epobirs at February 09, 2014 09:20 PM (bPxS6)

332 Night all. Hopefully tomorrow's ONT will be a bit more chipper. Here is "Edward, the Mad Shirt Grinder" by Quicksilver Messenger Service: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME2pTRseMBA

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 09, 2014 09:23 PM (AymDN)

333 316 Teresa, it may be of some comfort to know that John was very moved by your call. I met him that night myself. I think I called him while you & cth were talking to him... i talked to him until 5 AM that day. Since then, we talked on the phone a couple times a week. Sometimes, more than once each day. He mentioned you and your conversation a few times. The fact that some of the Horde reached out to him let him that night let him know that he wasn't alone - that meant a lot to him.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 09:24 PM (3mOji)

334

279 Cooth, I have a new puppy, and he keeps trying to get my old dog to play with him. Old dog rejecting him completely but the puppy is seemingly obsessed with getting the old dog to play with him despite our best efforts to get him to redirect. Puppy just isn't getting it.

This is like that. Thanks for all you've done re this sitch

Posted by: MAx at February 09, 2014 09:25 PM (b7yum)

335 What the Sochi pictures prove is that Putin's Russia is a Potemkin Village. (It probably always has been, at least since they failed to stop the Mongols.)

I wish the US and the West generally could have a discussion about Putin's tyranny, incompetence and foreign meddling without it being totally gay. But going for that allows the media to jockey for status.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 09, 2014 09:25 PM (30eLQ)

336

"I'm just being real". Wasn't that a Dave Chapelle sketch?

Yes, yes it was.

Posted by: MAx at February 09, 2014 09:26 PM (b7yum)

337 332 IMO, you're trying to control the uncontrollable. Not a good idea. One man opinions only., YMMV.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 09, 2014 09:26 PM (ojnk6)

338 To feel guilty about another persons decision in that place of darkness that suicide comes from is ludicrous. You did what you thought was right. Sometimes the road of life is just too slippery for us mortals to control the next turn.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 09, 2014 09:27 PM (TI3xG)

339

Cooth makes a simple request and gets exactly the opposite.

When you guys gonna consider HIS feelings????

Posted by: MAx at February 09, 2014 09:29 PM (b7yum)

340 as for what's going on in this thread - no, I haven't been ignoring it

chi + cthulhu (+ Teresa and others): the fact you tried so hard to keep J afloat is an inspiration. Seriously. I wish more people were like you.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 09, 2014 09:29 PM (30eLQ)

341 Epobirs Did you get your leaky icemaker line fixed?

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 09:29 PM (3mOji)

342 Fuck yeah now in response to Cooth's request this has turned into a thread about denying it to him

Posted by: MAx at February 09, 2014 09:30 PM (b7yum)

343 345 Fuck yeah now in response to Cooth's request this has turned into a thread about denying it to him

Posted by: MAx at February 10, 2014 01:30 AM (b7yum)

Not every request must be granted or is beyond questioning.

Not sure if you're being dick or just obtuse.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 09, 2014 09:32 PM (XkotV)

344 Very touching by Joffen's sister. Cthulhu, thanks for keeping us updated.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at February 09, 2014 09:32 PM (MhPEb)

345 IT'S NOT THE FUCK ABOUT ME!!!!!!!

Wait, did I just say that?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 09:34 PM (T1005)

346 d'oh, neoneocon's site is down

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 09, 2014 09:37 PM (30eLQ)

347 342
Cooth makes a simple request and gets exactly the opposite.
When you guys gonna consider HIS feelings???? Posted by: MAx at February 10, 2014 01:29 AM (b7yum) Hide posts from (b7yum)

For this, I consume your soul last.....

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 09:38 PM (T1005)

348 How are the restaurants in Doggerland?

Posted by: Barry Dunham at February 09, 2014 09:40 PM (30eLQ)

349 Okay gun nuts Have a big problem with the AR which I've never seen before The bolt carrier is stuck in the buffer area Of course I can't loosen the castle nut either so I have to get an armorers tool tomorrow I figure if I pull off the stock assembly I can get it

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 09, 2014 09:40 PM (fA5xz)

350 For this, I consume your soul last..... Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 01:38 AM (T1005) Isn't getting eaten first the reward for service?

Posted by: The Mythos Hat at February 09, 2014 09:41 PM (AymDN)

351 I keeps it Real

Posted by: Madrid Soccer at February 09, 2014 09:43 PM (R6JT1)

352 348 Yeah, you did. And not just in your head - you said it out loud.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 09:43 PM (3mOji)

353 353. Isn't getting eaten first the reward for service? He's insane, remember?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 09, 2014 09:43 PM (fA5xz)

354 353 For this, I consume your soul last.....

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 01:38 AM (T1005)

Isn't getting eaten first the reward for service? Posted by: The Mythos Hat at February 10, 2014 01:41 AM (AymDN) Hide posts from (AymDN)

Fine -- first, last.....his pick.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 09:44 PM (T1005)

355 #344

Yeah but I cannot believe what my sister has told me about the guy they sent. I couldn't be awake that early because I have an overnight job coming up on Monday and cannot shift schedules like I used to. (Especially with the blood pressure meds.) I'm no plumber but in this situation I'd be inclined to expect a lot of water still in the pipes. Not this guy. He ended up spilling more water on the laminate floor, that was installed just a few months ago, than was placed on the floor by the original leak.

So now the damage isn't just the area under the refrigerator but also warpage in the main traffic are of the kitchen. Just the thing for our 85 year old mother to trip on. Whether they're going to take responsibility for this remains to be seen.

Posted by: Epobirs at February 09, 2014 09:44 PM (bPxS6)

356 This will likely sound self serving but loss is loss. My Mother died this last march and I was on Amazon earlier buying a bench and a memorial plaque to put on it. It would have been her 81st birthday Friday. Why am I buying a bench? Because my father still lives and I know how much he misses her and want to show we all do too. And he had the deck she always wanted built on there house so it is an appropriate place for this bench.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 09, 2014 09:45 PM (TI3xG)

357 352 Navycopjoe Your description is slightly unclear. How far back is the bolt carrier? Is it all the way into the stock, or just part-way? You might try to work an automotive feeler gauge. maybe the .005" to start, between the stock and carrier, to see if you can find what is catching and where, and maybe disconnect the parts.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 09:45 PM (FlRtG)

358

cthulhu-

thank you for the link. still have his phone number. only 32.

in re: finding this thread...have one of the cobs or coders write a robot.txt file to block this page from showing up?

Posted by: rich@gmu at February 09, 2014 09:49 PM (ga+7c)

359 359 This will likely sound self serving but loss is loss. My Mother died this last march and I was on Amazon earlier buying a bench and a memorial plaque to put on it. It would have been her 81st birthday Friday. Why am I buying a bench? Because my father still lives and I know how much he misses her and want to show we all do too. And he had the deck she always wanted built on there house so it is an appropriate place for this bench.
Posted by: The Hickster at February 10, 2014 01:45 AM (TI3xG) Hide posts from (TI3xG)

That is a very touching story, Hickster. I hope when he's out on their deck, sitting on a bench with her name, he can take comfort in her memory.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 09:50 PM (T1005)

360 360. From what I can see, about 2 inches past the buffer retaining pin I tried pulling the trigger assembly pins and held down the hammer to see if that was it and no, it was in the buffer area I'll try the feeler gauge in the morning although I really need the armorers tool Damn I miss the navy, could have got the tool for free... Actually, I'd take it to our armorer

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 09, 2014 09:50 PM (fA5xz)

361 Bon soir, my little chickadees. A bientot. This little French moment has been brought to you by the New World Order, which will require 75% tax rates, seized weapons and total devotion to the French language.

Posted by: MTF at February 09, 2014 09:50 PM (7ynIk)

362 Cthulhu, if you want to vent more privately, you have my email.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at February 09, 2014 09:57 PM (MhPEb)

363 358 Epo (can I call you Epo?), If it's a laminate floor like I'm thinking of, and made with MDF as a substrate the entire floor is shot. Make the guy pay If he's worth anything, he knows he screwed up & will replace it. I would suggest that you buy the materials & have him supply labor, but i doubt you trust him working in your your home. Don't blame you.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 09, 2014 09:58 PM (3mOji)

364 As I understand it, then, removing one of the pins to disconnect the U Rcv from the L Rcv does not allow the 2 to disconnect. If you remove both pins, can you slide the U Rcv forward and off the L Rcv? Also, IIRC, there's a pin involved with retaining the bolt in the carrier. You might check to see if it is sticking out and caught somewhere.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 09, 2014 09:58 PM (FlRtG)

365 I hope when he's out on their deck, sitting on a bench with her name, he can take comfort in her memory.>>

I'm sitting here balling worse than I did when she died. My dad always ade a big deal and got her flowers and chocolates on her birthday/valentines day. He loves he so much still I can't imaging this first birthday without her.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 09, 2014 09:59 PM (TI3xG)

366 361 cthulhu-

thank you for the link. still have his phone number. only 32.

in re: finding this thread...have one of the cobs or coders write a robot.txt file to block this page from showing up? Posted by: rich@gmu at February 10, 2014 01:49 AM (ga+7c) Hide posts from (ga+7c)

Here's the thing -- I am not ashamed of any of our interactions with Joffen, ever. I don't want to tweak this blog's overall style. I don't want to deny any answers to a serious researcher who wants to know absolutely everything about Joffen's final months. But I don't want some nine-year-old cousin to walk into any of the rougher spots by typing in a few search words.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 09:59 PM (T1005)

367 Fuck I mangled 368

Time to sign off

Posted by: The Hickster at February 09, 2014 10:02 PM (TI3xG)

368 Heh. The LA local news assures me that the US bronze is figure skating is better than Canada's silver or Russia's gold because "it came with character".

Posted by: Anachronda at February 09, 2014 10:06 PM (U82Km)

369 Oddly, I don't see a slot in their medal chart for "character".

Posted by: Anachronda at February 09, 2014 10:07 PM (U82Km)

370 The toilets don't flush but they got character

The doors don't open from the inside but they got character

Peyton Manning's passing game in the Super Bowl? full of character (and interceptions)

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 09, 2014 10:13 PM (30eLQ)

371 371 Everyone is a special snowflake.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 09, 2014 10:14 PM (TGgNi)

372 Shia Lebouf is an idiot. But I repeat myself. http://tinyurl.com/mtbss8e Does anyone else long for the days when we did not know anything about movie stars aside from the movies they made? Although it is generous to refer to Mr. Lebouf as a "star."

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 09, 2014 10:17 PM (TGgNi)

373 They should have contacted Tijuana about the toilets and found out that a community rag works best when the toilet paper cannot be flushed. You just change out the rag when it gets full.

Posted by: UWP at February 09, 2014 10:21 PM (QQ5uB)

374 chi + cthulhu (+ Teresa and others): the fact you tried so hard to keep J afloat is an inspiration. Seriously. I wish more people were like you.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 10, 2014 01:29 AM (30eLQ)

I second this.

cthulhu-

I added that before I read the rest of the thread. think I'm just going to sign off for the morning. my prayers.

Posted by: rich@gmu at February 09, 2014 10:23 PM (ga+7c)

375 Does anyone else long for the days when we did not know anything about movie stars aside from the movies they made? Prolly before Lillie Langtry was born ...

Posted by: Adriane... at February 09, 2014 10:26 PM (qoKTg)

376 Cthulhu, I sent you an email. Turning in for the night, see you on the ONT tomorrow, or feel free to email before, will check that in the morning and during the day.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at February 09, 2014 10:42 PM (MhPEb)

377 Lily Langtry, New Christry Minstrels http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SJsPVzD-1M

Posted by: Adriane... at February 09, 2014 10:42 PM (qoKTg)

378 Good Night, Conservative Crank ... Take Care ...

Posted by: Adriane... at February 09, 2014 10:43 PM (qoKTg)

379 Yay! The US figure skating pair has "you know" disease. May e that's what counts as"character".

Posted by: Anachronda at February 09, 2014 10:43 PM (U82Km)

380 367. Sorry for the delay Nope won't seperate because the back block the retaining pin goes through hits the bolt carrier Also the BCG is just removed with the charging handle which moves freely but can't remove it either of course

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 09, 2014 10:59 PM (fA5xz)

381 Curling on directv220.

Posted by: garrett at February 09, 2014 11:13 PM (3u+Sx)

382 So, why did they kill that giraffe? They are such pretty and gentle creatures.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 09, 2014 11:22 PM (NRYdU)

383 Maybe, it comes down to never trust a scandi.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 09, 2014 11:23 PM (NRYdU)

384 So here I am up with my insomnia. I didn't realize "Joffen" was that young (No, it's not young, but compared to me it is. ;^) That makes it worse. It's interesting to me how many people who are affected by clinical depression are noted for being "goofballs" and "having a great sense of humor". And, of course I have a bias here-and I'm not intending to get into a religious debate-but it makes me sad when I see "no spiritual affililiation" because my faith has brought me through very dark times. I wish that Joffen had that to help him with his depression. Thanks for posting that link, chulthu and for the warning.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 09, 2014 11:25 PM (XyM/Y)

385 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 10, 2014 03:25 AM (XyM/Y) Hide posts from (XyM/Y)

I feel like I have fulfilled a geas tonight, may it trouble me no more. For those who I have distressed in my quest, pray let me make amends -- my heart is an open book to you. For my brothers and sisters in the Horde, forgive me any waiver in my pursuit and any delay to my proffer. And to our fallen friend Joffen, I pray for that peace so much beyond mine to give.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 09, 2014 11:55 PM (T1005)

386 Should've been a post, man.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 10, 2014 12:10 AM (hW6y3)

387 389 Should've been a post, man. Posted by: shredded chi at February 10, 2014 04:10 AM (hW6y3) Hide posts from (hW6y3)

It did what it had to. Rest easy, my friend.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 12:13 AM (T1005)

388 I guess so. Not so sure. I think maybe I'll check out for a while.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 10, 2014 12:29 AM (hW6y3)

389 jonny quest!

Posted by: vapors at February 10, 2014 12:40 AM (h72AH)

390 Curling is Shuffleboard for young people. How the heck is this a sport?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 12:41 AM (DmNpO)

391 393 Curling is Shuffleboard for young people.

How the heck is this a sport? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 04:41 AM (DmNpO) Hide posts from (DmNpO)

Correction: Curling is Shuffleboard for young frozen people.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 12:46 AM (T1005)

392 Correction: Curling is Shuffleboard for young frozen people. ...... Correct. I should have used more precise language.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 12:49 AM (DmNpO)

393 Somewhere in #Sochi... Guy: Yeah baby. I'm an Olympian myself. Girl: Wow! What sport? Guy: Curling. Girl: Guy: Hey! Come back. It's a sport!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 12:51 AM (DmNpO)

394 I don't care how hot that German dude is. He's still a Curler.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:00 AM (DmNpO)

395 A Curler or a Crueller?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 10, 2014 01:01 AM (00E+O)

396 Isn't a cruller some sort of pastry? Or weasel?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 01:05 AM (T1005)

397 A Curler or a Crueller? ..... He'd be more masculine if he were a crueller

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:06 AM (DmNpO)

398 A pastry weasel? Horst!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 10, 2014 01:06 AM (00E+O)

399 He'd be more masculine if he were a crueller

So much for the Master Race....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 10, 2014 01:08 AM (00E+O)

400 So besides typical Soviet plumbing. Typical Soviet quality building materials. And typical Soviet quality control. Anything else happen at Sochi?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 10, 2014 01:13 AM (00E+O)

401 403 So besides typical Soviet plumbing. Typical Soviet quality building materials. And typical Soviet quality control. Anything else happen at Sochi?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 10, 2014 05:13 AM (00E+O) Hide posts from (00E+O)

Typical Soviet graft?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 01:23 AM (T1005)

402 I knew I forgot something in that laundry list... thanks Cthulhu.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 10, 2014 01:26 AM (00E+O)

403 403 So besides typical Soviet plumbing. Typical Soviet quality building materials. And typical Soviet quality control. Anything else happen at Sochi? ..... Team USA is kicking ass in the snowboarding events

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:30 AM (DmNpO)

404 So much for the Master Race.... .... The guy is really cute but how lacking in testosterone must one be to sit amongst hockey players and skiers who fling themselves at 80mph down a mountain and not feel a little bit embarrassed about being there?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:32 AM (DmNpO)

405 I suppose that three hours if sleep earlier tonight is all I needed, eh.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:36 AM (DmNpO)

406
The guy is really cute but how lacking in testosterone must one be to sit amongst hockey players and skiers who fling themselves at 80mph down a mountain and not feel a little bit embarrassed about being there?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 05:32 AM (DmNpO)

=====

So, let me see --

a. really cute.

b. olympian

c. probably in the top 500 world-wide in some thing he chooses to do.

me ---

a. nope.

b. nope.

c. maybe at picking my nose, but no way in hell am I in the top 500 in anything else -- even the things I love the most and try really hard at.

yeah. he's a real loser.

Posted by: jc at February 10, 2014 01:39 AM (PlzOe)

407 You too NDH? Not watching Olympics. Working on a short story that is going 'write me!'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 10, 2014 01:39 AM (00E+O)

408 me --- a. nope. b. nope. c. maybe at picking my nose, but no way in hell am I in the top 500 in anything else -- even the things I love the most and try really hard at. yeah. he's a real loser. ..... I joke in fun. Of course they are accomplished. Still... Curling as a sport?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:45 AM (DmNpO)

409 410 You too NDH? Not watching Olympics. Working on a short story that is going 'write me!' .... At least you're being productive.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:46 AM (DmNpO)

410 The women's hockey team looks like the real deal.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:47 AM (DmNpO)

411 real deal? What, they missing teeth?

Productive is an elastic term. Since there is the novel I should be working on. Plus acting as beta reader for someone else.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 10, 2014 01:51 AM (00E+O)

412 Team USA up 5-0 against the Swiss

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:54 AM (DmNpO)

413 Just woke up to see Hillary's mug all over Drudge and a gay NFL prospect all over FB. Why do I bother?

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 10, 2014 01:55 AM (ZshNr)

414 Just woke up to see Hillary's mug all over Drudge and a gay NFL prospect all over FB. Why do I bother? ..... Turn to NBC Sports and watch Team USA kick some Swiss butt.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 01:57 AM (DmNpO)

415 I joke in fun. Of course they are accomplished. Still... Curling as a sport?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 05:45 AM (DmNpO)

====

me, too. I define a sport as something you do for fun that can make you get teeth knocked out.

so, no, curling isn't a sport. but by my definition neither are golf, tennis, or a bunch of other things other people agree are sports.

on the other hand, my definition makes ogling another guy's wife in a bar a sport. go figger. all definitions have their drawbacks.

Posted by: jc at February 10, 2014 02:00 AM (PlzOe)

416 I'm sick of walking dead. Yes, we get it -- Carl's da man! You've been pushing that theme for 4 seasons now. But he won't really be a man until he kills Glenn and fucks Maggie. Or, maybe fights Daryl for Beth and fucks her. Or, this being the apocalypse and them getting all bible-y (think Lot), he may have to settle for his sister, Judith. And since most of the show these days are pushing incest, no one should be shocked.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 10, 2014 02:01 AM (NRYdU)

417 me, too. I define a sport as something you do for fun that can make you get teeth knocked out. so, no, curling isn't a sport. but by my definition neither are golf, tennis, or a bunch of other things other people agree are sports. on the other hand, my definition makes ogling another guy's wife in a bar a sport. go figger. all definitions have their drawbacks. .... I do consider tennis a sport but, perhaps, golf skirts the line. Tennis is very physically demanding. For that reason I might also consider NASCAR a sport as well. It requires great stamina and focus.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 02:06 AM (DmNpO)

418 you can definitely lose teeth at NASCAR.

I guess I should add fast heart beat and sweaty to the definition. So, fast heart beat, sweaty, can lose teeth == sport.

So, I guess more tennis players have to be whacked in the mouth.

There is a decent chance I could make the Olympic Ogling Team. I can stare pretty good. It makes my heart pump and gets my palms sweaty. Maybe I should start a petition.

Posted by: jc at February 10, 2014 02:16 AM (PlzOe)

419 There is a decent chance I could make the Olympic Ogling Team. I can stare pretty good. It makes my heart pump and gets my palms sweaty. Maybe I should start a petition. ..... Oh really? http://bit.ly/1oa4Zdt

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 02:27 AM (DmNpO)

420 422 There is a decent chance I could make the Olympic Ogling Team. I can stare pretty good. It makes my heart pump and gets my palms sweaty. Maybe I should start a petition.

.....

Oh really?

http://bit.ly/1oa4Zdt

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 06:27 AM (DmNpO)

=====

let's be clear --- ogling and leering definitely do not require staring at just the eyes.

If a guy stared at just eyes -- how would that endanger teeth?

Posted by: jc at February 10, 2014 02:30 AM (PlzOe)

421 I was just reading the Hillary paper's Drudge has up. The impression I walked away with of her is that she is a caustic back seat driver that can't actually mange things when given responsibility. She's constantly outwardly critical of everyone else for being weak and completely unable to compromise. If she were elected she'd just be a continuation of the current administration.

I'd like to think that she's alienated so many friends in the last 30 years who know where the bodies are that she could never be elected; but then there is the GOP. So hello Clinton 2.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 10, 2014 02:42 AM (AzO5R)

422 424 I was just reading the Hillary paper's Drudge has up. The impression I walked away with of her is that she is a caustic back seat driver that can't actually mange things when given responsibility. She's constantly outwardly critical of everyone else for being weak and completely unable to compromise. If she were elected she'd just be a continuation of the current administration. I'd like to think that she's alienated so many friends in the last 30 years who know where the bodies are that she could never be elected; but then there is the GOP. So hello Clinton 2. .... Whiny bitchez She hates some whiny bitchez

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 02:45 AM (xSRwo)

423 The General Accounting Office would issue a report on the LSC [ Legal Services Corporation ] under Hillary Rodham and conclude that "many of the people with it are uniquely reprehensible."

- pg 63. American Evita - Hillary Clinton's Path to Power. Christopher Andersen. William Morrow/Harper Collins. 2004

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 10, 2014 02:55 AM (00E+O)

424

Speaking of Herblock's crudity, you neglected to mention the best example thereof. He once drew a cartoon showing Nixon climbing out of a sewer.

Nixon's real crime was that he refused to let Alger Hiss slide. When the Soviet Union collapsed and they opened KGB files Hiss was identified there as a Soviet Spy.

Herblock was a jerkoff.

Posted by: middyfeek at February 10, 2014 03:31 AM (9u0mp)

425 The fact that Russia does things that go against American interests should not be any surprise. Most Russians had a favorable view of America until we bombed their Serbian Allies until they agreed to allow NATO to send in peace-keeping forces into Kosovo, based on claims of human rights abuses that turned out to be mostly false, with the promise that Kosovo would remain part of Serbia, would be allowed to have troops maintain border crossings, and to guard Serbian historical sights and Churches. Once NATO went in, all promises went out the window. We now recognize Kosovo as independent, Serbian troops were never allowed back in, in any capacity, and Churches are burned down and desecrated with regularity. Just recently, the Muslim controlled government that we installed banned the use of Church bells in Kosovo.... and all of this was done over the objections of Russia. Combine that with the fact that NATO has pushed to bring in all of the former Soviet Block into NATO, but when Russia showed interest in joining the party, they alone were told to pound sand. Then we start setting a missile shield that is supposed to protect Europe from Iranian missiles, but just happens to be along the boundaries of Russia. And today in Syria, we are backing Jihadist Muslims that are raping, killing, and displacing the 10% of the country that is Christian. Putin is the only leader of any major power that has shown any concern for the Christians of Syria. Putin is not a liberal democrat, but he is also not Joseph Stalin. Life under Putin in Russia is far better than it was under Yeltsin. I agree with Pat Buchannan, who considers Putin a Russian patriot. He simply wants Russia to be a strong, prosperous, and respected nation. If we would stop sticking our thumbs in Russia's eyes, they would probably stop sticking theirs in ours.

Posted by: Fr. John Whiteford at February 10, 2014 03:36 AM (z95BI)

426 Posted by: cthulhu at February 10, 2014 03:55 AM (T1005)

No snark whatsoever--that was beautiful.

With respect, Fr. Whiteford, I disagree. Putin seems more and more interested in consolidating power into his and his cronies hands. He only gets rid of corruption which opposes him, and has no issue playing the great game on the side of incredible butchers as long as they ally with him.

When you kill a political opponent with a radioactive isotope at ~$20 mil a shot, the message you send is of power without scruple.

Posted by: Xenophon at February 10, 2014 03:57 AM (JNMaY)

427 I hated Herblock. What an egregious lib hack he was.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at February 10, 2014 04:48 AM (vFmT2)

428 Team USA up 5-0 against the Swiss Don't be surprised when they score 4 more.

Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2014 09:51 AM (4fx1m)

429 Our CIA engaged in political assassinations until after time of Gerald Ford, and while we may not take out an individual with a radioactive weapon, we used depleted uranium weapons in Bosnia, Kosovo, and the bombing of Serbia... and in each case we were helping to install Jihadists leaning governments, as Obama is now trying to do in Syria. If you compare the body count, Putin doesn't come anywhere near what George Bush Sr, Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Obama have racked up. And I voted for the Bushes, as the best option on the table, but we really need to stop supporting muslim terrorists in hopes that they will like us better. It so far has not been working out, as a strategy.

Posted by: Fr. John Whiteford at February 10, 2014 07:36 PM (z95BI)

430 -
Where are they now?

http://goo.gl/FI47MK

Posted by: irright at February 12, 2014 06:01 PM (DtNNC)

431 -
Where are they now?
Living in your nightmares.

http://goo.gl/FI47MK

Posted by: irright at February 12, 2014 06:04 PM (DtNNC)

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