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November 22, 2013

Overnight Open Thread (22 Nov 2013)
— CDR M

Sorry 'rons and 'ettes. Crazy, busy week and long day for me so this will be a light ONT. Like that will stop y'all from doing what 'cha do.

If Obama really wanted to do something about the failure of his signature legislation, he'd fire these people at a minimum. Then repeal it.

Image h/t Marketing Higher Education

Heh. Just how should they market higher education?

Over the past decade or two, the marketing of higher ed has been to sell it as a financial investment. Of course, financial investments are about supply and demand, and when the supply goes up and demand goes down, the proud grads with their marketing-inflated grades are SOL.
If they want to market higher ed to the masses, they need to either market as adolescent sex resorts as Club Ed, or as an opportunity be become a citizen who is more deeply rooted in their culture. I suspect the former, "the college experience", sells better to the youth.

Of course, here are the highest paying jobs that don't require a high school diploma.

Smart Wigs

Hmmm. Lace wigs 2.0? Sony's SmartWig patent is a real head scratcher.

Speaking of smart people, check out these folks.

Blade Runner

Blade Runner. Interpreted with over 12,500 watercolor paintings.

Parenting and Bullies

So morons, what do you tell your kids when they are getting bullied? Do you tell 'em to dish it back and end the bullying/fighting on your own terms. Or do you tell your precious child to just stand there and bleed like this mom did?

Mao Impersonator

I don't know what she was expecting but female Mao impersonator says she is adored by fans...but it has put her husband off from having sex with her.
h/t tmi3rd

Dog Video

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1 Aloha!

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 06:16 PM (T1005)

2 Onethe?

Posted by: toby928© at November 22, 2013 06:16 PM (QupBk)

3 dammit

Posted by: toby928© at November 22, 2013 06:16 PM (QupBk)

4 beaten by the tentacled one

Posted by: toby928© at November 22, 2013 06:16 PM (QupBk)

5 Good evening!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:17 PM (MpP9p)

6 The Intolerance Towards Normalcy This hatred for what was once considered Â“normalÂ” is wide spread. A lesbian couple trying to transform an adopted son into an adopted daughter is considered liberating, but when that ideology of transsexualism leads to tragedy, it is at best ignored. A gay couple raising a child is lauded as wonderful, but a conservative straight couple raising a child is condemned and even effectively prohibited exercising the same legal right as a gay couple Â— adopting and raising a child. More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=4044

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 06:18 PM (Vk2pI)

7 At least I'm not initially foist

Posted by: Barky The Destroyer at November 22, 2013 06:18 PM (aDwsi)

8 Fifth, or something... Do I get a cookie?

Posted by: turfmann at November 22, 2013 06:18 PM (GgGgG)

9 Ok... I was eighth. Do I get a cookie crumb?

Posted by: turfmann at November 22, 2013 06:19 PM (GgGgG)

10 Shit, I was just followed on Twitter by the official twitter account of the Florida Democratic Party. Nothing good can come of that.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at November 22, 2013 06:19 PM (ez1A6)

11 Good Evening, Horde!

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 06:19 PM (z4WKX)

12 America's Future: A Choice of Two Narratives Author Sarah Hoyt points out that for people to fit themselves into society, they must know not only their place in society, but that society wherein their place is. This of course, is the narrative, or story, of ourselves and our culture and society. It frames how we see ourselves and is the basis for our very views and beliefs. As Hoyt puts it, Â“tÂ’s still there for those who believe, to the degree they muster their belief Â– is that there used to be a civic narrative too. Patriotism.Â” More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=3942

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 06:20 PM (Vk2pI)

13 Ok... I was eighth. Do I get a cookie crumb? Posted by: turfmann at November 22, 2013 10:19 PM (GgGgG) Nope.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:20 PM (MpP9p)

14 I'm not clicking the doggeh video. I just know that Korean chick is sizing up teh Corgi for a stew pot.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 22, 2013 06:20 PM (6fSty)

15 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 06:20 PM (JMmQ9)

16 Dammit, I look away for 2 minutes . . . glad it was cthulhu (shoulda been me, dammit).

Posted by: Peaches at November 22, 2013 06:21 PM (8lmkt)

17 Meanwhile, in the U.K.Â… Parents told their child must be forced to "experience different religions." "Refusal will result in a Racial Discrimination note being attached to your child's educational recordÂ…" http://tinyurl.com/phsxgyd

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 06:22 PM (Vk2pI)

18 I always forget to eat when IÂ’m here. Mike Hammer replied to me one night that this blog takes up a lot of time. I love it here! IÂ’m going to go make myself something. I will probably be back later.

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 06:22 PM (z4WKX)

19 I guess the female Mao impersonator's husband has all he can stand. In other words, he can't take it any Mao.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 22, 2013 06:23 PM (Zswg6)

20 Posted by: Darth Randall at November 22, 2013 10:23 PM (Zswg6)

Nicely played.

Posted by: CDR M at November 22, 2013 06:24 PM (LsJl8)

21 I guess the female Mao impersonator's husband has all he can stand. In other words, he can't take it any Mao. Posted by: Darth Randall at November 22, 2013 10:23 PM (Zswg6) Sigh... Hey Navy, why don't you show up against San Jose State?

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:24 PM (MpP9p)

22 IÂ’m going to go make myself something. I will probably be back later. Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 10:22 PM a grilled cheese sammich is always good...quick and easy

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 06:25 PM (JMmQ9)

I don't have to tell my kids shit when they get bullied. ( I use that term loosely.) When my #1 daughter was in high school she got slugged from behind from a cops daughter who was in her class ( In the school parking lot which has cameras). She retaliated or reacted and slugged her back. It was all on camera and she still was suspended from school for a week. We fought for a bit then decided why bother.? We could have babied her for weeks and let her go to counseling. Kids are freaking kids. She is fine.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 06:25 PM (ZVLi8)

24 I guess the female Mao impersonator's husband has all he can stand. In other words, he can't take it any Mao.

She Maoths off all day long.

Posted by: no good deed at November 22, 2013 06:25 PM (HsJeN)

25 IÂ’m going to go make myself something. I will probably be back later. Posted by: Carol T Wimmenz can be anything these days, so aim high!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 06:25 PM (KVY+w)

26 The 10 people Obama should fire? Is it just me or is that a mighty large group of ugly fuckers? I'd do the ginger, the rest look like they got picked up at a greyhound bus station.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 06:25 PM (0FSuD)

27 Mike Hammer replied to me one night that this blog takes up a lot of time. -------------------- Pretty sure it was the damn cat that said that. I'm only here once or twice a week..., for a few minutes..., really..., that's it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 06:26 PM (aDwsi)

28 That Mao impersonator looks nothing like Obama.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at November 22, 2013 06:26 PM (1j9qS)

29 Well, Navy made it to its contractually-obligated bowl game already (December 27).

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:26 PM (MpP9p)

30 Daniel Hannan, ftw. Go hence to the sidebar

Posted by: british toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 06:27 PM (Nsoq9)

31 HAH! I'm watching the latest VOD from Rifftrax - Swamp of the Ravens -- and the first scene is what appears to be a bloody dead guy being lowered on a rope from a third or fourth story window into an alley in the pouring rain. And Kevin's first riff is, "Well, that's about what you get for the Bronze level of Obamacare." BOOYAH.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 22, 2013 06:28 PM (CA2NO)

32 a grilled cheese sammich is always good...quick and easy

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 10:25 PM (JMmQ9)

.........................

This morning early I posted about the new cheese made from human bacteria from feet, armpits and toes. (read it on drudge). I can't say that your suggestion sounds good yet. To be honest I don't know if I can ever eat cheese again.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 06:28 PM (ZVLi8)

33 JFK is basically what Barack was in 2008. He is a blank slate for most people. Any group can project upon him at this point and find something about him to cling to. He can be a hawk and a peacenik. He can be a supply sider and Jacksonian. He is whatever you want him to be.

Posted by: SH at November 22, 2013 06:29 PM (QEz+0)

34 I don't have to tell my kids shit when they get bullied. ( I use that term loosely.) When my #1 daughter was in high school she got slugged from behind from a cops daughter who was in her class ( In the school parking lot which has cameras). She retaliated or reacted and slugged her back. It was all on camera and she still was suspended from school for a week. We fought for a bit then decided why bother.? We could have babied her for weeks and let her go to counseling. Kids are freaking kids. She is fine. Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 10:25 PM (ZVLi

When my SO was in elementary school he got into a fight with another kid (the other kid started it). He was suspended from school for a day. My SO's dad (a cop) was so proud he took him out for pizza. And the SO got a toy he wanted at the toy store.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:29 PM (MpP9p)

35 NINE!

...what?

damnit.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 06:29 PM (lq3Ak)

36 It's weird, I get turned off too when my my wife dresses up like a male dictator. The Castro get-up is particularly galling.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at November 22, 2013 06:30 PM (1j9qS)

37 BOOYAH. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at November 22, 2013 10:28 PM (CA2NO) That's fucking funny.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 06:30 PM (GEICT)

38 Parents told their child must be forced to "experience different religions."

"Refusal will result in a Racial Discrimination note being attached to your child's educational recordÂ…" http://tinyurl.com/phsxgyd

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 10:22 PM (Vk2pI)

Racial? Good grief.

Such a failure at categorization should disqualify everyone involved from being involved with any form of education.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 06:31 PM (QJTNQ)

39 {{{MWR}}}

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:31 PM (MpP9p)

40 Mao, Mao, Mao, how do you like it, how do you like it?

Posted by: Andrea True Connection at November 22, 2013 06:31 PM (Zswg6)

41 Vendette! {{Vendette!}}

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 22, 2013 06:32 PM (CA2NO)

42 To add a little poetic justice, they should add a note of "Complete Idiot" to said people's work record.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 06:32 PM (QJTNQ)

43 Good evening morons. Yeah, the Mao impersonator is scary. And I'll never get my head around why Mao-kitsch is cool, given that Mao killed about nine times more people than Hitler, who isn't cool (although having objectively the better sense of style).

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 06:32 PM (Nsoq9)

To be honest I don't know if I can ever eat cheese again.

Come here, sweetie! Helen has a big taco for you with EXTRA cheese!

Posted by: Zombie Helen Thomas' wheel-barrow toted labia at November 22, 2013 06:33 PM (6fSty)

45 I'm not clicking the doggeh video. I just know that Korean chick is sizing up teh Corgi fora stew pot. There's like nine of them. Don't worry, the family is fattening them up.

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2013 06:33 PM (FcR7P)

46 Vendette! {{Vendette!}} Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at November 22, 2013 10:32 PM (CA2NO) *MWAH* I hope FSS is being his gentlemanly self.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:34 PM (MpP9p)

47 The thing that's funny about this Rifftrak is it's called "Swamp of the Ravens," but the birds in the swamp are, in fact, buzzards.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 22, 2013 06:34 PM (CA2NO)

48 My kids know that regardless of what the school policy may be, they will NEVER be in trouble for standing up against

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 06:34 PM (3lxx0)

49 This morning early I posted about the new cheese made from human bacteria from feet, armpits and toes. (read it on drudge). I can't say that your suggestion sounds good yet. To be honest I don't know if I can ever eat cheese again. Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 10:28 PM you're doin' it wrong.... for your grilled cheese sammich, you want a "processed cheese-food product"

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 06:34 PM (JMmQ9)

50 JFK is basically what Barack was in 2008. He is a blank slate for most people. Any group can project upon him at this point and find something about him to cling to. He can be a hawk and a peacenik. He can be a supply sider and Jacksonian. He is whatever you want him to be. Posted by: SH at November 22, 2013 10:29 PM (QEz+0) A little mood music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0

Posted by: The Dictatorial Hat at November 22, 2013 06:34 PM (Vk2pI)

51 My kids know that regardless of what the school policy may be, they will NEVER be in trouble for standing up against Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 10:34 PM (3lxx0) British Columbia?

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:34 PM (MpP9p)

52 Bullies

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 06:35 PM (3lxx0)

53 Eight year old - microwaves and popcorn do not mix

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 06:35 PM (CMlD4)

54 *MWAH* I hope FSS is being his gentlemanly self. Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 10:34 PM (MpP9p) He's been very well behaved lately, keeping the other spiders in line. I can't complain. I hope all's well down your way!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 22, 2013 06:35 PM (CA2NO)

55 Zombie Helen Thomas' wheel-barrow toted labia ------------------ Okay, I'm gonna be a *long* time getting that out of my brain. Xanax tonight.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 06:36 PM (aDwsi)

56 Eight year old - microwaves and popcorn do not mix Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 10:35 PM (CMlD4) Microwave or popcorn?

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:36 PM (MpP9p)

57 "Of course, here are the highest paying jobs that don't require a high school diploma." ____________ Bill Gates never finished college and he's like totally rich, so going to college is a waste of money. As much as some people continue with this "college is a waste of time" fantasy, the facts say otherwise. Unemployment is 4% for those with a degree. It was 4% even when the rate for everyone else was above 10% in 2009/2010. Median income for someone with a BA is 50% higher than someone with a high school diploma. For someone with a master's it's 100% higher. But yeah, college is a waste of time....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 06:36 PM (vxc4j)

58 @Vendetta Yeah,British Columbia

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 06:36 PM (3lxx0)

59 53 Eight year old - microwaves and popcorn do not mix

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 10:35 PM (CMlD4)

Was metal involved?

Posted by: CDR M at November 22, 2013 06:36 PM (LsJl8)

60 It just dawned on me why I am up past 9 my time. I am looking for anyone with a good hint to make a good chili ( or a recipe if you are so inclined). I may or may not have promised this evening that I would submit a pot of chili for tomorrows cookoff before the big game. Hubby is horrified. ( with good reason). I have been reading recipes for 2 hours and have the afore mentioned daughter #1 coming over at the crack of dawn to help me. If you don't care or don't have a good recipe just put my on the Ace prayer list. Thanks in advance

Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 06:37 PM (ZVLi8)

61 He's been very well behaved lately, keeping the other spiders in line. I can't complain. I hope all's well down your way! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at November 22, 2013 10:35 PM (CA2NO) I've noticed FSS has laid down the law. I wish FSS could lay down the law in the place of my employment.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:37 PM (MpP9p)

62 @33 JFK was not a blank slate, he served in the House from 1947 to 1953 and the Senate until 1960. His politics were well known. Obama served in the Senate TWO years and TWO years in the IL Senate. Sorry.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 06:38 PM (0FSuD)

63 Can't link this in my sig. Maybe belongs in the last thread, but I'm putting it in both places. My submission for the Bambi Kennedy Tribute p'shop.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6461/j3lc.png

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 22, 2013 06:38 PM (4/o9U)

64 Had a guy try to bully me back in the day, and I kept telling him he wouldn't like the consequences. He and his buddy kept it up. Finally one day at youth group at church, they got both their asses handed to them at the same time. After that point I went on a growth spurt, and the fuckers never mouthed off to me again. Like Krakatoa, when the sleeping giant awakens, he is not someone you want to fuck with.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac on Conspiracy Theories at November 22, 2013 06:40 PM (BXLPR)

65 59 53 Eight year old - microwaves and popcorn do not mix Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 10:35 PM (CMlD4) ----------------------- Was metal involved? Posted by: CDR M at November 22, 2013 10:36 PM (LsJl Text I got from my wife early this wife: "Just FYI, you can't put unpopped kernels down the garbage disposal. I turned it on and kernels came flying out like fucking bullets."

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 06:40 PM (GEICT)

66 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 10:36 PM (vxc4j)

Oh I agree a college education is valuable. Depends on what you study, where you go to school, how much it cost,and how you use the degree you earned.

Too many today cram and puke their knowledge on their exams and don't retain what they learned over 4 years.

Posted by: CDR M at November 22, 2013 06:40 PM (LsJl8)

67 @Vendetta Yeah,British Columbia Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 10:36 PM (3lxx0) I'm an Albertan. There are at least three Albertans that I know of here and a bunch of other Canadians. Stick around because the more Canadians, the merrier!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:40 PM (MpP9p)

68 Enough of the canonization of JFK. The weeping and carrying on. Let's face it, he was on an uphill climb for reelection, fucked up the Bay of Pigs, etc. The libs have bestowed on him mythic status. It's revolting. He put on a good act but was a loathsome human being and degraded women every chance he had an opportunity. Kennedy assassinated? Yes, a terrible thing. Lincoln assassinated? A national tragedy.

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 06:40 PM (Fjdw8)

69 I wish FSS could lay down the law in the place of my employment. Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 10:37 PM (MpP9p) I'll be happy to dispatch him or one of his furry progeny down there to help whip them into shape.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 22, 2013 06:40 PM (CA2NO)

70 55 Zombie Helen Thomas' wheel-barrow toted labia

---

Never eat cheese again? Hell. I may never eat again. At all.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at November 22, 2013 06:40 PM (1j9qS)

for your grilled cheese sammich, you want a "processed cheese-food product

Grilling foods and drinking value-rite past ten at nite is dangerous. All u need is a loaf of French bread and a can of Cheez Whiz. Insert the nozzle into the bread and fill that bastage up like a canoli.

Posted by: Cicero Kid aka Galloping Gormet at November 22, 2013 06:41 PM (6fSty)

72 43 Good evening morons. Yeah, the Mao impersonator is scary. And I'll never get my head around why Mao-kitsch is cool, given that Mao killed about nine times more people than Hitler, who isn't cool (although having objectively the better sense of style).

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 10:32 PM (Nsoq9)

One answer is racism. Killing Jews? Evil. Killing a bunch more Chinese? Meh.

Though given the free pass mostly given to all Communist regimes, them being Commie sympathizers is the simpler and better answer.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 06:41 PM (QJTNQ)

73 Posted by: Cicero Kid aka Galloping Gormet at November 22, 2013 10:41 PM (6fSty)

Never had cheese whiz.

Posted by: CDR M at November 22, 2013 06:42 PM (LsJl8)

74 for your grilled cheese sammich, you want a "processed cheese-food product"
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 10:34 PM (JMmQ9)

Technically, no. You can use a good cheddar, and as long as the heat is low enough, it will melt while the outside of the sandwich browns but does not burn. At the end, if some of your cheese still isn't melted, you can finish it with about 15 seconds in your average microwave and finish the job. I do usually throw a divided up slice of American Singles on top of the normal cheddar just for added melty goodness, however.

Posted by: HTL at November 22, 2013 06:42 PM (d6iMX)

75 Does that number count all of the fry cooks with law degrees?

Posted by: Biff Boffo at November 22, 2013 06:42 PM (1j9qS)

76 @62, I mean he is a blank slate now in that people can project whatever beliefs they want on him. Largely because the revisionist left has remade him. But there is stuff for everyone to grab onto. Some real much imagined.

Posted by: SH at November 22, 2013 06:42 PM (QEz+0)

77 Trying again.

http://tinyurl.com/mcshr2o

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 22, 2013 06:42 PM (4/o9U)

78 Text I got from my wife early this wife: "Just FYI, you can't put unpopped kernels down the garbage disposal. I turned it on and kernels came flying out like fucking bullets."

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 10:40 PM (GEICT)

Wife as a unit of time? What does that correspond to?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 06:42 PM (QJTNQ)

79 Vacation!

Posted by: Zakn at November 22, 2013 06:43 PM (zyaZ1)

80 Text I got from my wife early this wife: "Just FYI, you can't put unpopped kernels down the garbage disposal. I turned it on and kernels came flying out like fucking bullets." Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 10:40 PM (GEICT) Ack! I hope everyone's okay! I can't imagine getting one of those in the eye.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 22, 2013 06:43 PM (CA2NO)

81 I've lost the sound on my iMac and can't figure out how to get it back. And no it's not on mute. Any experts?

Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 06:43 PM (BLAfs)

82 @Vendette - Cool...in today's day and age the "true north strong and free" is a bit eerie wouldn't you say?

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 06:43 PM (3lxx0)

83 The photo of the Volvo with the wood stove inside it makes sense in a weird sort of way, as anyone who has attempted to change a heater core in that series Volvo can attest. Seems that Volvo thought it would be a good idea to take a heater core, and build a car around it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 06:43 PM (60Q+L)

84 Wife as a unit of time? What does that correspond to? Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 10:42 PM (QJTNQ) *sigh* That's what I get for trying to watch Criminal Minds and post at the same time.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 06:44 PM (GEICT)

85 Technically, no. You can use a good cheddar, and as long as the heat is low enough, it will melt while the outside of the sandwich browns but does not burn. At the end, if some of your cheese still isn't melted, you can finish it with about 15 seconds in your average microwave and finish the job. I do usually throw a divided up slice of American Singles on top of the normal cheddar just for added melty goodness, however.

Posted by: HTL at November 22, 2013 10:42 PM (d6iMX)

Alternately, you nuke the sandwich first (10~ sec) and then brown it in the grill.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 06:44 PM (QJTNQ)

86 ...adds popcorn to the shopping list for tomorrow.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at November 22, 2013 06:44 PM (ez1A6)

87 Trying again. http://tinyurl.com/mcshr2o Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 22, 2013 10:42 PM (4/o9U) *GIGGLESNORT* JFK facepalms. LOVE it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 22, 2013 06:45 PM (CA2NO)

88 I shot the sheriff

Posted by: Lee Harvey Clapton at November 22, 2013 06:45 PM (aTXUx)

89 "And I'll never get my head around why Mao-kitsch is cool, given that Mao killed about nine times more people than Hitler, who isn't cool (although having objectively the better sense of style)."

The left consider Mao to be Of The Body, and hence cool and hip.

They don't regard Hitler the same way. Hence not cool and hip.

Even though both are basically the same guy. Genocidal statists with a racial angle.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 06:45 PM (gqT4g)

90 Wife time units are incremented in grey hairs. Yours, not hers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 06:45 PM (aDwsi)

91 Ack! I hope everyone's okay! I can't imagine getting one of those in the eye. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (CA2NO) Yeah. She didn't find my laughter amusing. She was, apparently, rinsing out some dishes and flipped the switch. A couple came shooting out and she flipped the big plastic bowl she was washing over and held it over the sink. She said it sounded like a machine gun.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 06:46 PM (GEICT)

92 I've lost the sound on my iMac and can't figure out how to get it back. And no it's not on mute. Any experts? Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (BLAfs) Did this just happen, or has it been going on for a while?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 22, 2013 06:46 PM (CA2NO)

93 67 @Vendetta Yeah,British Columbia

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 10:36 PM (3lxx0)

I'm an Albertan. There are at least three Albertans that I know of here and a bunch of other Canadians. Stick around because the more Canadians, the merrier!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 10:40 PM (MpP9p)'''

http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/eatsleep-1.jpg

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 06:47 PM (T1005)

94 Did this just happen, or has it been going on for a while? Just this evening.

Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 06:47 PM (BLAfs)

95 And I don't mean it in a good way. I used to think that Kennedy's continual huge popularity was not just that he died young, but that he was catholic, the outcome of the Cuban missile crisis, and he is remembered for getting us to the moon. But now I think there is more to why he has enduring popularity. Every group can find something in his legacy to cling to. Again his real legacy or the invented one.

Posted by: SH at November 22, 2013 06:47 PM (QEz+0)

96 Oh I agree a college education is valuable. Depends on what you study, where you go to school, how much it cost,and how you use the degree you earned. Too many today cram and puke their knowledge on their exams and don't retain what they learned over 4 years. Posted by: CDR M at November 22, 2013 10:40 PM (LsJl

_____________ Sure, spending $200K on a degree in 14th Century Poetry from No Name State U is probably a bad idea. But on the whole, having a college degree is better than not having one. Yet so many people - especially here - seem to not understand this.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 06:47 PM (vxc4j)

97 81 I've lost the sound on my iMac and can't figure out how to get it back. And no it's not on mute. Any experts?

Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (BLAfs)

Also check that the volume is not turned down to just above 0. :p

Try playing from your audio player (itunes?) and plug in earphones - if that works, something about your speakers. If it doens't work - possible software issues - try a reboot and see if that does anything.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 06:47 PM (QJTNQ)

98 @Vendette - Cool...in today's day and age the "true north strong and free" is a bit eerie wouldn't you say? Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (3lxx0) Honey, I want to hang on to "In all our sons command" because I don't give a crap that it is in the masculine.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:47 PM (MpP9p)

99 Look at how they worship Che. He was a piece of shit, but he took a nice photo.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at November 22, 2013 06:48 PM (1j9qS)

100 for your grilled cheese sammich, you want a "processed cheese-food product"

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 10:34 PM (JMmQ9)

Eeeew! I do mine with old (i.e. "sharp") Cheddar cheese, and they are yummy. I have an ancient electric grilled cheese sammich press that is so old, its cloth-wrapped cord is insulated with death-dealing asbestos.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 06:48 PM (60Q+L)

101 Grilling foods and drinking value-rite past ten at nite is dangerous. All u need is a loaf of French bread and a can of Cheez Whiz. Insert the nozzle into the bread andfill that bastage up like a canoli. Who are you, brave Sir Knight, who is so wise in the ways of Sammiches?

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 06:48 PM (JMmQ9)

102 Recommendation for anti-bullying for parents...Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. The Gracies have a great anti-bullying program (bullyproof). I took my boys to a seminar and when Rener Gracie tells them that regardless of what the school says about kids getting in trouble for "fighting" if they are defending themselves, they are to use every tactic that they can to defend themselves and their friends and that refusing to stand-up for what is right will make them a coward all their lives. Clap, clap, clap, clap.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 06:48 PM (3lxx0)

103 I was going to respond to the troll about opportunity costs and then I remembered he's a friggin' troll.

Don't feed the trolls.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 06:48 PM (QJTNQ)

104 Dear Prudence on whether a college student should graduate from taking care of the kids to taking care of the husband for a raise... http://tinyurl.com/jwfu67n

Posted by: Some Moron at November 22, 2013 06:49 PM (uUvS8)

105 Just this evening. Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 10:47 PM (BLAfs) Click the "apple" in the upper left corner. Select "system preferences", then select "sound". Make sure all the settings are right.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 06:49 PM (GEICT)

106 Here is a quote from the Houston Chronicle on Nov 22, 1963 "Conservatism Would Carry Republican in Critical Texas Areas" the article claimed, "Sen. Barry Goldwater's conservatism would carry him to a victory over President John F. Kennedy if the presidential election were held today in Texas. If a predictable 2.5 million votes were cast, Goldwater would roll up about 1.3 million to Kennedy's 1.2 million. That would mean a margin of 52 percent for Goldwater to 48 percent for Kennedy, a statewide survey by the Chronicle indicated Thursday." He most likely would have lost the 1964 election.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 06:50 PM (vxc4j)

107 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at November 22, 2013 10:45 PM (CA2NO)

Thanks, MWR!!

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 22, 2013 06:50 PM (4/o9U)

108

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac on Conspiracy Theories at November 22, 2013 10:40.......................

I believe I complimented you on your nic back when I was 43. I'm 44 now and still snickering. I asked my hubby a few weeks ago if my running pants made my scamper look puffy and he looked at me like I had finally gone off the deep end.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 06:50 PM (ZVLi8)

109 Dear Prudence on whether a college student should graduate from taking care of the kids to taking care of the husband for a raise... http://tinyurl.com/jwfu67n Posted by: Some Moron at November 22, 2013 10:49 PM (uUvS

I read that earlier today. *Bangs head against wall*

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:50 PM (MpP9p)

110 @ Vendette...you know it..."all our son's command"...the verse which drives the people who brought the term "fishers" into the news lexicon crazy.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 06:51 PM (3lxx0)

111 Click the "apple" in the upper left corner. Select "system preferences", then select "sound". Make sure all the settings are right. Thanks BCochran, but I've actually done that already. Still not a peep.

Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 06:51 PM (BLAfs)

112 They don't regard Hitler the same way. Hence not cool and hip. Even though both are basically the same guy. Genocidal statists with a racial angle. Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 10:45 PM (gqT4g) NAZI chic is big on the bondage sceneÂ…

Posted by: Max Mosley at November 22, 2013 06:51 PM (Vk2pI)

113 Hola, bitches!

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 22, 2013 06:51 PM (eQJwb)

114

Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 10:37 PM (ZVLi

Google "Zac Brown's Campire Chili". This was an insert in Parade Magazine in 2010. I have made this multiple times and have had nothing but compliments on it. I have added it to my collection of go-to chili recipes. Cut the chili powder in half, and just use regular stock. It's a freakin' good recipe. I use venison. If you can't find buffalo just use Chuck.

Posted by: Cicero Kid aka Galloping Gormet at November 22, 2013 06:51 PM (6fSty)

115 Little known fact, the .38 that Oswald used to shoot Tippit was a lend/lease gun, which had been re-chambered to .38 Special from .38 Smith and Wesson. Another arcane fact, in 1963 (and I remember it clearly) I had ampersands.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 06:51 PM (aDwsi)

116 103 I was going to respond to the troll about opportunity costs and then I remembered he's a friggin' troll. Don't feed the trolls. Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 10:48 PM (QJTNQ) __________ Troll: Someone who says things I don't like and can't defend. Am I close? Tell me about the opportunity cost of not making $15 an hour for 4 years in exchange for making 50-100% more for 40 years after.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 06:52 PM (vxc4j)

117 Never had cheese whiz.

Posted by: CDR M at November 22, 2013 10:42 PM (LsJl

Happens if you get a yeast infection in your prostate.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 06:52 PM (60Q+L)

118 Thanks BCochran, but I've actually done that already. Still not a peep. Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 10:51 PM (BLAfs) You try plugging in headphones?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 06:52 PM (GEICT)

119 more on Dear Prudence:
Â“Three's a Crowd: My husband slept with the nanny. I kicked him out. Can I keep the nanny?Â”

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Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 06:52 PM (Nsoq9)

120 Text I got from my wife early this wife: "Just FYI, you can't put unpopped kernels down the garbage disposal. I turned it on and kernels came flying out like fucking bullets." Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 10:40 PM (GEICT) Um, did you tell her taking a dump in the sink was a bad idea? And women get pissed at us if a drop of pee hits the seat, geez.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 22, 2013 06:52 PM (BXLPR)

121

I gotta go to bed so instead of a good chili recipe that might actually win me a prize I guess I'm going to submit a grilled cheese. ( sans toe bacteria).,

Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 06:52 PM (ZVLi8)

122 Thanks BCochran, but I've actually done that already. Still not a peep. Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 10:51 PM (BLAfs) Have you tried restarting it? I know that works with my PC laptop when the sound sometimes kicks off. And I agree with the suggestion of seeing if the headphone jack works. That would indicate a problem with the speakers, not the sound.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 22, 2013 06:53 PM (CA2NO)

123 @ Vendette...you know it..."all our son's command"...the verse which drives the people who brought the term "fishers" into the news lexicon crazy. Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 10:51 PM (3lxx0) I was born in Winnipeg and grew up in Alberta. I'm so glad the WWII veteran who is a Winnpeg Jets' season ticket holder is still saluting during the national anthem.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:53 PM (MpP9p)

124 Eeeew! I do mine with old (i.e. "sharp") Cheddar cheese, and they are yummy. I have an ancient electric grilled cheese sammich press that is so old, its cloth-wrapped cord is insulated with death-dealing asbestos. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 10:48 PM the "processed cheese-food product" bit is just for laughs... the bestest grilled cheese sammich: "Texas Toast" thick bread, sharp cheddar, and uber-thin slices of onion and tomato. And butter on the outside, natch

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 06:53 PM (JMmQ9)

125 Gay squirrel!!!!

(which I would do in a second, if I could catch him!)

Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at November 22, 2013 06:54 PM (i9vov)

126 Sorry, spelled Winnipeg wrong.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:54 PM (MpP9p)

127 Um, did you tell her taking a dump in the sink was a bad idea? And women get pissed at us if a drop of pee hits the seat, geez. Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 22, 2013 10:52 PM (BXLPR) UmmmÂ….yeah, I was the one who dumped the kernels.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 06:54 PM (GEICT)

128 She sounds like a good nanny

Posted by: SH at November 22, 2013 06:54 PM (QEz+0)

129 Google "Zac Brown's Campire Chili". This was an insert in Parade Magazine in 2010. I have made this multiple times and have had nothing but compliments on it. I have added it to my collection of go-to chili recipes. Cut the chili powder in half, and just use regular stock. It's a freakin' good recipe. I use venison. If you can't find buffalo just use Chuck.

Posted by: Cicero Kid aka Galloping Gormet at November 22, 2013 10:51 PM (6fSty)

............................

Gracias

Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 06:54 PM (ZVLi8)

130 Howdy y'all!

Posted by: tbodie at November 22, 2013 06:54 PM (ktPHV)

131 Evening DC

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 06:55 PM (GEICT)

132 Tell me again why all kids should go to college? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz-vgDOjAck Warning: Video will make you rageÂ…

Posted by: The Privileged Hat at November 22, 2013 06:55 PM (Vk2pI)

133 106 He most likely would have lost the 1964 election. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 10:50 PM (vxc4j) So Oswald rescued Leftism. How conveeeenient.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 06:55 PM (sdi6R)

134 @Vendette...did you ever think you'd see the day when the US President would be more socialist than the Liberals and NDP?

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 06:56 PM (3lxx0)

135 50 years ago today, my favorite author, C.S. Lewis died.
"Once there were four children whose names were Peter, Susan, Edmund, and Lucy"... and thus began my love of all things Lewis when I was eight years old. When I read that Aslan was killed, I didn't think I could read any further -- even my mom told me not to read anymore -- but I did. When I got to the part where Aslan comes back to life, I remember whispering, with tears in my eyes, "I know you're real"... little did I know then that Aslan really IS "real". I wouldn't discover just how "real" for a few more years.

Odd part about my Narnian journey is that I was introduced to it by my atheist neighbor.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 22, 2013 06:56 PM (KL49F)

136 College educations are barriers to entry for many jobs. They are cheap screening. X corp decides that they won't interview anyone but college grads. Make it easy to weed out a lot of people. The average college grad knows about as much shit as a 1950 HS grad. Dumbing down the system means that the system can keep the fish in the pond. Now you get a grad degree to show you aren't just a HS/College graduate. The socialist school system has no reason to let you not keep pissing away your money on degrees. Doing a present value valuation of a degree for a sociologist grad clearly shows the degree is worthless. Doing the same analysis for an engineering degree shows it is worth the money. A plumber or electrician can expect to make more money over time than a lot of the liberal arts graduates. Womyn studies does not get you a job in the private sector, period. That is all.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 06:56 PM (0FSuD)

137 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfJcANy-JVs Here's the Jets' veteran.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 06:56 PM (MpP9p)

138 That impersionator's husband is probably aftraid his wife will try and slip him some tung.

Posted by: Weirddave at November 22, 2013 06:57 PM (N/cFh)

139 Aslan's Girl, Thank you for the reminder about C.S. Lewis. As a child I cherished those books. I read them over and over.

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 06:59 PM (Fjdw8)

140 106 Here is a quote from the Houston Chronicle on Nov 22, 1963 "Conservatism Would Carry Republican in Critical Texas Areas" the article claimed, "Sen. Barry Goldwater's conservatism would carry him to a victory over President John F. Kennedy if the presidential election were held today in Texas. If a predictable 2.5 million votes were cast, Goldwater would roll up about 1.3 million to Kennedy's 1.2 million. That would mean a margin of 52 percent for Goldwater to 48 percent for Kennedy, a statewide survey by the Chronicle indicated Thursday." He most likely would have lost the 1964 election. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 10:50 PM (vxc4j) You do understand that even if only 2.5 million votes would be cast in Texas in 64, and if Goldwater got 1.3 million of those votes, LBJ would have made damn sure that JFK's vote total would have been 1.301 million votes.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 22, 2013 06:59 PM (BXLPR)

141 I'm an Albertan. There are at least three Albertans that I know of here and a bunch of other Canadians. Stick around because the more Canadians, the merrier! Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 10:40 PM (MpP9p) Meanwhile, in Canada...http://tiny.cc/cdhz6w

Posted by: Weirddave at November 22, 2013 06:59 PM (N/cFh)

142 Got to admit, I don't care for the water color Blade Runner, too much of it is a muddy, poorly defined mess. It was a good idea 'tho.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 22, 2013 06:59 PM (Zswg6)

143 He most likely would have lost the 1964 election. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 10:50 PM (vxc4j) I agree with moo moo. Goldwater would have won against Kennedy. LBJ was a lying scum bag that ran the first negative ad, with the daisy ad. it only ran once, but the MSM played it FREE a hundred times.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 06:59 PM (0FSuD)

144 Sorry, spelled Winnipeg wrong. Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 10:54 PM That's a first for the ONT. "Winnipeg"? Really? (I'm just f'n with you

it's all good)

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 07:00 PM (JMmQ9)

145 @ Aslan's girl...just read http://www.amazon.com/Live-Like-Narnian-Discipleship-Chronicles/dp/0615872042 Live like a Narnian...Lewis's takedown of Progressives is simply amazing...heartily recommended.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:00 PM (3lxx0)

146 A few C.S Lewis quotes "Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another: What! You too? I thought I was the only one." Â— C.S. Lewis

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:00 PM (aDwsi)

147 Hey, BC...I was lurking earlier, seems like a funtastic day around the HQ Just watched Olympus Has Fallen. Pretty good flick, if you can ignore the poor tactics and weapon handling.

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 22, 2013 07:00 PM (eQJwb)

148 @Vendette...did you ever think you'd see the day when the US President would be more socialist than the Liberals and NDP? Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 10:56 PM (3lxx0) The Liberals? Justin Trudeau is working on his dad's name. The NDP? Mulcair has a big problem balancing Quebec and the rest of the country, but I think if he has to decide he'll go with Quebec.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:00 PM (MpP9p)

149 This is still my favorite photo of the day: http://tinyurl.com/kxbu4md That was me raking leaves last weekend.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 07:00 PM (sdi6R)

150

I just googled it.....Nov 19th 2010! What is with everything organic? Do you suppose it would taste the same if I didn't go the organic route? I live in a fairly small town and am not sure I can find all that organic.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 22, 2013 07:00 PM (ZVLi8)

151 http://pointsandfigures.com/2013/11/22/obamacare-vs-private-insurance/ The Difference Between Obamacare and Private Insurance

Posted by: Jeff at November 22, 2013 07:00 PM (MOSsR)

152 Warning: Video will make you rageÂ…
Posted by: The Privileged Hat at November 22, 2013 10:55 PM (Vk2pI)

That guy should be embarassed to do something that sounds so whiny. Be a man!

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 07:01 PM (QJTNQ)

153 didn't know it was Lewis's 'anniversary' too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4mym0EFKM8

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 07:02 PM (Nsoq9)

154 Thanks for the suggestions all. I think I.m going to try turning it off and going to bed. Somebody upthread asked Vendette if she ever thought she would see the day when a U.S. president is left of the Liberals and the NDP. As a Canuck I never, ever expected to see that.

Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 07:02 PM (BLAfs)

155 147 Hey, BC...I was lurking earlier, seems like a funtastic day around the HQ Just watched Olympus Has Fallen. Pretty good flick, if you can ignore the poor tactics and weapon handling. Posted by: DC in Towson at November 22, 2013 11:00 PM (eQJwb) It's had its moments. How bad? I mean, I can overlook some stuff. Although, I have to admit, it drives me crazy now watching Bad Boys II and the "Reggie" scene.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 07:02 PM (GEICT)

156 Sorry, spelled Winnipeg wrong. Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 10:54 PM That's a first for the ONT. "Winnipeg"? Really? (I'm just f'n with you it's all good) Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 11:00 PM (JMmQ9) If you don't know someone from Winnipeg or Saskatchewan you aren't Canadian.

Posted by: Vendette wishes she was at Grey Cup weekend at November 22, 2013 07:03 PM (MpP9p)

157 A plumber or electrician can expect to make more money over time than a lot of the liberal arts graduates. Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 10:56 PM (0FSuD) __________ SOME electricians will make more than SOME college grads. MOST college grads will make more than MOST electricians. I'm sure there are the odd 10th grade dropouts out there who make a shit ton of money as well. Doesn't mean much when talking about median incomes.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 07:03 PM (vxc4j)

158 "You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." Â— C.S. Lewis

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:03 PM (aDwsi)

159 @weirddave...most excellent...

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:03 PM (3lxx0)

160 Female Mao benefits from one child policy legacy of actual Mao.

Posted by: SH at November 22, 2013 07:04 PM (QEz+0)

161 "You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me" Â— C.S. Lewis

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:05 PM (aDwsi)

162 motherfucker, was this week a hundred days long? feels as today started 50 hours ago. fml

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 22, 2013 07:05 PM (Z9EHQ)

163 For your listening pleasure, a slowed recording of crickets. This is pretty amazing. https://soundcloud.com/acornavi/robert-wilson-crickets-audio

Posted by: no good deed at November 22, 2013 07:06 PM (HsJeN)

164

You don't need that organic crap. Contadina is my choice. Hundt's is fine and so is Del Monte Tomato sauce. I use LB Jamison's stock bases and add to boiling water. If you really look at the recipe, the flavor develops by layering the ingredients over the cooking time. I made a pot of this chili for my dad's 80th birthday party and added four packs of hot dogs to a crock pot and poured the chili over it for chili dogs, dads favorite.

Posted by: Cicero Kid aka Galloping Gormet at November 22, 2013 07:06 PM (6fSty)

165 Somebody upthread asked Vendette if she ever thought she would see the day when a U.S. president is left of the Liberals and the NDP. As a Canuck I never, ever expected to see that. Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 11:02 PM (BLAfs) Northernlurker, Mulcair fits right in. The Green Party is a waste, and I say this as someone who appreciates Georges Laraque's hat trick.

Posted by: Vendette wishes she was at Grey Cup weekend at November 22, 2013 07:06 PM (MpP9p)

166 Yes, the obsession with everyone obtaining a precious college degree has worked out so well. I'd rather marry a plumber with dirt under his nails than most college graduates I've met in my life and I've worked at a university.

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 07:06 PM (Fjdw8)

167 Sitting here on pins and needles. Tomorrow I will pick up daughter the younger at airport. She will be back from deployment. Right now she arrived in Ireland. Yippy!!!!!!

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 22, 2013 07:07 PM (RLdcX)

168 157 SOME electricians will make more than SOME college grads. MOST college grads will make more than MOST electricians. I'm sure there are the odd 10th grade dropouts out there who make a shit ton of money as well. Doesn't mean much when talking about median incomes. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 11:03 PM (vxc4j) Nevertheless, it used to be possible for people without a college degree, or even without a high school degree, to make a perfectly decent living. That was before Our Betters shipped most of the manufacturing jobs overseas.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 07:07 PM (sdi6R)

169 Re the nine some odd people politico would fire over obamacare.....
Ummm starts at the top. In private industry, the ceo'd be gone. gone. gone!

Resign, mofo.

Posted by: Derak at November 22, 2013 07:07 PM (xEkHi)

170 161 Ah,a favorite Mike.

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 07:07 PM (Fjdw8)

171 I just ordered a Cajun-style deep-fried turkey for Thanksgiving. I'm really looking forward to it!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 07:07 PM (ghENB)

172 "A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is.... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in." Â— C.S. Lewis

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:08 PM (aDwsi)

173 Kennedy won these states in 1960 Texas NM Nevada Had it been Kennedy vs Goldwater those 3 would have gone Goldwater easily. Not saying that would have guarateed Goldwater a win, but it would have put him in a pretty good position. However, running against LBJ, center-right voters were comfortable enough with LBJ's conservatism that they felt safe to stay the course.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 07:08 PM (vxc4j)

174 Sorry, spelled Winnipeg wrong. Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 10:54 PM That's a first for the ONT. "Winnipeg"? Really? (I'm just f'n with you it's all good) Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 11:00 PM (JMmQ9) If you don't know someone from Winnipeg or Saskatchewan you aren't Canadian. Agreed...great places to be from...

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:08 PM (3lxx0)

175 167 Sitting here on pins and needles. Tomorrow I will pick up daughter the younger at airport. She will be back from deployment. Right now she arrived in Ireland. Yippy!!!!!! Posted by: Ma Bell at November 22, 2013 11:07 PM (RLdcX) CONGRATS!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 07:08 PM (GEICT)

176 Northernlurker, Mulcair fits right in. The Green Party is a waste, and I say this as someone who appreciates Georges Laraque's hat trick. Never expected a hockey goon to be a vegetarian and a Green Party member.

Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 07:08 PM (BLAfs)

177 Greetings Horde, does this illustration fit per chance anyone who posts upon this smart military blog in a not so smart manner?

http://tinyurl.com/kn3y5oo

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 22, 2013 07:08 PM (fWOX0)

178 >>>Although, I have to admit, it drives me crazy now watching Bad Boys II and the "Reggie" scene. Best scene ever. I'm gonna give you a call when my daughter is of dating age. So...about 2045 or so.

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 22, 2013 07:08 PM (eQJwb)

179 Sitting here on pins and needles. Tomorrow I will pick up daughter the younger at airport. She will be back from deployment. Right now she arrived in Ireland. Yippy!!!!!! Posted by: Ma Bell at November 22, 2013 11:07 PM (RLdcX) Yay! So happy for you!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:08 PM (MpP9p)

180 My reminder that Scott walkers greatest asset in 2016 is lack of a college degree.

Posted by: SH at November 22, 2013 07:08 PM (QEz+0)

181 Marketing higher-ed: Inform the kids that, without a degree, no matter how many hours they work and how many projects they manage, there will always be some shithead at the office who quashes your advancement because he actually went through the trouble of getting his degree.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2013 07:09 PM (DmNpO)

182 Nevertheless, it used to be possible for people without a college degree, or even without a high school degree, to make a perfectly decent living. That was before Our Betters shipped most of the manufacturing jobs overseas. Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 11:07 PM (sdi6R) _____________ That may be the case. But today without a college degree it is very hard to earn a good living. You can blame whomever you want for this, but it's the state of the world, whether your like it or not.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 07:09 PM (vxc4j)

183 Never expected a hockey goon to be a vegetarian and a Green Party member. Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 11:08 PM (BLAfs) Hate to say it, but one of my best memories as an Oilers' fan was when he scored a hat trick (it's on youtube).

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:09 PM (MpP9p)

184 @157 Not so. A tradesman has a steady job demand. There will always be a need for plumbers and electricians. Sociologist and Journalism majors? There is no steady demand for their services, but there will always be a need for waiters and pizza delivery men, which they excel at. The job market is a supply and demand market like everything else. There simply is no demand for at least a third of the liberal arts majors degrees. Can they get a job selling cars or insurance? Sure, but that has no relationship to their major. Go into any car dealership. Almost everyone selling cars has a degree from somewhere in bull shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 07:10 PM (0FSuD)

185 #177: Not really, Anna; I post here in a not-so-smart manner all the time and that definitely ain't me.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 07:10 PM (ghENB)

186 #180: Scott Walker has no college degree? Wow, I like him even more now!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 07:10 PM (ghENB)

187 181 Marketing higher-ed: Inform the kids that, without a degree, no matter how many hours they work and how many projects they manage, there will always be some shithead at the office who quashes your advancement because he actually went through the trouble of getting his degree. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2013 11:09 PM (DmNpO) ____________ Egg-sactly.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 07:11 PM (vxc4j)

188 84 That's what I get for trying to watch Criminal Minds and post at the same time.

Indeed. You should be watching the Dr. Who hype machine wind itself up.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 22, 2013 07:11 PM (U82Km)

189 Best scene ever. I'm gonna give you a call when my daughter is of dating age. So...about 2045 or so. Posted by: DC in Towson at November 22, 2013 11:08 PM (eQJwb) Yessir. You saw the exchange earlier about the Horde being here when the first suitor shows up for my eldest? Go watch the scene. Pay attention to Will Smith when he's waving the gun around. *cringe*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 07:11 PM (GEICT)

190 "The great thing about having a liberal arts education, is that if things go wrong in life, then you won't have to berate yourself thinking, 'Things would have been different if I had gone to college'.." Mark Vonnegut

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:11 PM (aDwsi)

191 If you don't know someone from Winnipeg or Saskatchewan you aren't Canadian. Posted by: Vendette wishes she was at Grey Cup weekend at November 22, 2013 11:03 PM I am proudly "not Canadian". Granted, I live just outside the wire of the Peoples' Republik of AnnArbor, so the geography makes me associate with Canadians. I was born in Houston, Texas and grew up in the 'burbs of Corpus Christi, Texas. And I really miss the land of my birth. (Sorry for the un-intentional mini-rant)

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 07:12 PM (JMmQ9)

192 night all, and moo moo, you forgot, that Goldwater would have won IL, since down state would not have gotten cheated like they did in 1960.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 07:12 PM (0FSuD)

193 Go into any car dealership. Almost everyone selling cars has a degree from somewhere in bull shit. Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 11:10 PM (0FSuD) Last week I took my car into a dealer for a checkup. Someone came along because my car was desirable for a trade-in. I didn't budge. I'm going to drive it into the ground.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:12 PM (MpP9p)

194 "Sitting here on pins and needles. Tomorrow I will pick up daughter the younger at airport. She will be back from deployment. Right now she arrived in Ireland. Yippy!!!!!!"
Posted by: Ma Bell at November 22, 2013 11:07 PM (RLdcX)

Hooray! God Bless and may the hugs and joy be as you've dreamed!

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 07:12 PM (lq3Ak)

195 >> I've lost the sound on my iMac and can't figure out how to get it back. And no it's not on mute.

Rub the iMac with a picture of Bill Gates.

That should make it scream.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 07:12 PM (cHZB7)

196
Medium cheddar on good sourdough bread. Grilled with real butter. Cardiac heaven.

'sup jackwagons

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 22, 2013 07:12 PM (MBqvE)

197 Tell me about the opportunity cost of not making $15 an hour for 4 years in exchange for making 50-100% more for 40 years after.

Local plumbers charge about $600 for a water heater swap. Material costs are ~$200 and time is ~2hr start to finish to do one.

Getting $200/hr while on-site ain't bad for a job that doesn't require a degree. Do just one a day and you're making ~$100k/yr.

I had some telecom consult gigs a couple of years ago that took less than 15min on site and paid $100/each. The jobs consisted of moving an ethernet cable from one jack to another, then verifying that the new line worked. A trained chimp could have done it. My graduate degree was not needed.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 07:13 PM (Xlbr8)

198 So Vendette and Northernlurker...great Canadian question...do you have your PAL/RPAL?

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:13 PM (3lxx0)

199 MOST college grads will make more than MOST electricians. >>

You need to also include the cost of the education and the 4-6 year head start an electrician will accrue by getting those early paychecks. Changes the lifetime earnings considerably.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 22, 2013 07:13 PM (DUGve)

200 SOME electricians will make more than SOME college grads. MOST college grads will make more than MOST electricians. I'm sure there are the odd 10th grade dropouts out there who make a shit ton of money as well. Doesn't mean much when talking about median incomes. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 11:03 PM (vxc4j) A chemical engineer will make more than a burger flipper. A master glassblower who never graduated high school will make more than the average salary of any major, including STEM.

Posted by: The Silica Hat at November 22, 2013 07:13 PM (Vk2pI)

201 I'd rather marry a plumber with dirt under his nails than most college graduates I've met in my life and I've worked at a university.

I got a call from my alma-mater last night. That university is, I was told, up for Great Things in the future!

The young lady who called me was a freshman planning to major in History and something else called "Policy Studies".

When I heard that, I declared the conversation over and dropped the connexion as fast as I could.

(Henry VIII, where art thou?)

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 07:14 PM (Nsoq9)

202 Indeed. You should be watching the Dr. Who hype machine wind itself up. Posted by: Anachronda at November 22, 2013 11:11 PM (U82Km) I'm waaaaay behind. As in I'm at the start of Season 4.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 07:14 PM (GEICT)

203 G'evening Anna!

How's it going?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 07:14 PM (QJTNQ)

204 Also, college degrees have been dumbed down quite a bit. The traditional Classical education of the 18th or 19th century is not the same thing as a modern degree in White Heteronormative Oppression Studies.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 07:15 PM (sdi6R)

205 A trained chimp could have done it. My graduate degree was not needed. Posted by: Purp at November 22, 2013 11:13 PM (Xlbr SOONÂ…

Posted by: Caesar, son of Cornelius and Zira at November 22, 2013 07:16 PM (Vk2pI)

206 @AltonJackson...my mom was born in Weatherford Texas...love the lone star state.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:16 PM (3lxx0)

207 LBJ was not anything remotely conservative. He was a pragmatist that catered to his voting base of Southern Dixiecrats, among others. He was a Texan enamored with New Deal politics. The term "Great Society" was straight out of New Dealer propaganda. He fought against desegregation legislation in the Senate until it suited him politically to support it. The 1964 Presidential campaign was built on sentiment about the dead Kennedy and fear of Goldwater. The inimical Daniel Schorr authored the infamous CBS special on TV, "Thunder on the Right", which was more fear-mongering of the Right by the Left.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 22, 2013 07:16 PM (v6hyJ)

208 I am proudly "not Canadian". Granted, I live just outside the wire of the Peoples' Republik of AnnArbor, so the geography makes me associate with Canadians. I was born in Houston, Texas and grew up in the 'burbs of Corpus Christi, Texas. And I really miss the land of my birth. (Sorry for the un-intentional mini-rant) Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 11:12 PM (JMmQ9) It's OK. In 2000, when I first was in DC, Michigan State went to the NCAA championship and won. I was living with a bunch of gals from Michigan State and by the end of the tournament I knew their fight song better than I knew my alma mater's.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:16 PM (MpP9p)

209 "Today without a college degree it is very hard to earn a good living." Huh? You can make a damn good living and be very happy without a college degree if you are willing to work for it. Going to college guarantees nothing. There are plenty of people who don't need to be in college and it's a waste of time and money for them to be there.

Posted by: Freaked Out! at November 22, 2013 07:17 PM (JdEZJ)

210 Not so. A tradesman has a steady job demand. There will always be a need for plumbers and electricians. Sociologist and Journalism majors? There is no steady demand for their services, but there will always be a need for waiters and pizza delivery men, which they excel at. The job market is a supply and demand market like everything else. There simply is no demand for at least a third of the liberal arts majors degrees. Can they get a job selling cars or insurance? Sure, but that has no relationship to their major. Go into any car dealership. Almost everyone selling cars has a degree from somewhere in bull shit. Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 11:10 PM (0FSuD) _____________ You just refuted your own point. Yeah not to many sociology majors become "sociologists". Just like not many philosophy majors get a job in philosophy. But with their degree they have many doors opened. For most jobs the degree itself isn't important. Having A degree is what matters....with the obvious exceptions like engineering.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 07:17 PM (vxc4j)

211 Last week I took my car into a dealer for a checkup. Someone came along because my car was desirable for a trade-in. I didn't budge. I'm going to drive it into the ground. Posted by: Vendette ---------------- I stopped by the dealership for something or other once. When I came out, there was a salesman sitting in the passenger seat chatting up a potential customer in the driver's seat. That was an interesting moment.....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:17 PM (aDwsi)

212 Yeah that dude in the smart people link with the Cyrus tattoo, words....fail.

Those of a certain age may remember downing a bunch of these babies.

http://theframedtable.com/2013/11/b-52-cocktail/

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2013 07:17 PM (iGPSR)

213 a modern degree in White Heteronormative Oppression Studies.

Where can I get a major in this? I'm asking for a friend

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 07:17 PM (Nsoq9)

214 202 I'm waaaaay behind. As in I'm at the start of Season 4.

Ah. Well, at the moment they're showing a docudrama about the creation of the show.

I.e., a TV show about a TV show.

I can't help but wonder if, when they punch this thing out to DVD, there'll be a making of the docudrama about the TV show special feature.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 22, 2013 07:17 PM (U82Km)

215 Yup, those 3 credits for Drum Circle class are really going to help your CV look good.

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 07:17 PM (Fjdw8)

216 However, running against LBJ, center-right voters were comfortable enough with LBJ's conservatism that they felt safe to stay the course. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 11:08 PM (vxc4j) SuckersÂ…

Posted by: LBJ at November 22, 2013 07:17 PM (Vk2pI)

217 My brother is a union electrician (with all that entails politically). His training courses were the equivalent of college courses. I looked through his study material, it was plenty of math formulas and such. All Greek to me. And like Hickster said, the union paid for his training and he has no student loan debt. He's doing very well.

Yeah yeah, anecdotal and all.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at November 22, 2013 07:17 PM (1j9qS)

218 I can honestly say I don't know anyone with a college degree who is unemployed. Can all of you "college is a waste of time" say the same about high school grads?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 07:18 PM (vxc4j)

219 202. Original Doctor or Nu-Who?

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 22, 2013 07:18 PM (Zswg6)

220 So Vendette and Northernlurker...great Canadian question...do you have your PAL/RPAL? Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:13 PM (3lxx0) I hate to say it, but I have no clue what you're talking about.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:18 PM (MpP9p)

221 Just returned from our fundraiser/gala thingy.

I didn't have to behave myself because the Obamabots who were to share our table didn't show.

Our table ended up being the "misbehaving party" table. Hee.

Anyhow, husband came through and surprised me with a nice freshwater pearl necklace he won in the silent auction (by a great Savannah designer) and a week at a beach house on Tybee Island. Yay! Haven't had a vacay with husband in nearly 11 years. I at least get a vacay on the Redneck Riviera.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 07:19 PM (lVPtV)

222 All I know from what I have seen since about 2003 , people are getting really pissed at the deterioration of the country and the class of people that live in it..

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 22, 2013 07:19 PM (j6DTo)

223 I stopped by the dealership for something or other once. When I came out, there was a salesman sitting in the passenger seat chatting up a potential customer in the driver's seat. That was an interesting moment.....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 11:17 PM (aDwsi)

Wow. Habit of not locking your car, or did they actually get into your car without the keys?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 07:19 PM (QJTNQ)

224
    Being an auto mechanic has provided a very decent lifestyle.   No college, only a high school education.

    For me, college would have been a waste of time and money.

     It also helped to be totally in love with the career.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 22, 2013 07:19 PM (SAMxH)

225 1. Brown together: 1 cup diced white onion 1 lb. beef-tenderloin tips, diced into 1/2-inch cubes 2 lbs. ground bison (If unavailable, substitute ground beef.) 1/2 lb. ground pork 1 Tbsp olive oil 2. Drain the grease. Um, tenderloin? In chili? No. Then add the following: 1 Tbsp masa flour 1/2 Tbsp garlic powder 1 14.5-oz. can organic beef stock 2 14.5-oz. cans organic chicken stock 1 8-oz. can organic tomato sauce Tomato. Not chili. Putting the Pedantry card on the table here; 'real' chili contains neither beans nor tomatoes. Yes, I just wrote that. Chili = meat + chilies. ( Drops keyboard )

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 07:20 PM (KVY+w)

226 yes, agreed: cheddar on sourdough (with butter) is a most excellent grilled cheese sammich... Ma Bell: please, please thank her for me. Please. I owe such a debt...

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 07:20 PM (JMmQ9)

227 I.e., a TV show about a TV show. Still better than a huge majority of the crap out there.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 07:20 PM (GEICT)

228 I stopped by the dealership for something or other once. When I came out, there was a salesman sitting in the passenger seat chatting up a potential customer in the driver's seat. That was an interesting moment..... Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 11:17 PM (aDwsi) Last week I said to the guy that I was happy not making a monthly car payment.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:20 PM (MpP9p)

229 Another sad anniversary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley

brave new world

he saw it first

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 07:20 PM (Nsoq9)

230 Wow. Habit of not locking your car, or did they actually get into your car without the keys? Posted by: ConservativeMonster --------------- I really don't remember..., most likely I had simply left it unlocked.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:21 PM (aDwsi)

231 College degrees are fine but they aren't a ticket to ride. You are entitled to nothing. I agree they have become de facto minimum standards because everyone has one. Degrees can open some doors but that's about it. Unless you have a degree from Ivy League. That gives you permission to lord over us common folk who don't know any better.

Posted by: SH at November 22, 2013 07:21 PM (QEz+0)

232 Median income for electricians is $49,840 Median income for those with a BA is $55,800.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 07:21 PM (vxc4j)

233
Hey, you guys know Hannah Minx is really a dude, right?

Posted by: The Guy Who Really Knows Who Shot JFK at November 22, 2013 07:21 PM (0IhFx)

234 Jane, That is fabulous! Enjoy yourself!

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 07:21 PM (Fjdw8)

235 187 181 Marketing higher-ed: Inform the kids that, without a degree, no matter how many hours they work and how many projects they manage, there will always be some shithead at the office who quashes your advancement because he actually went through the trouble of getting his degree. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2013 11:09 PM (DmNpO) Some people are made for office work, which is fine. But this country runs on people who know how to work with their hands. All the nice pencil pushers wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for the "dumb yokels" out there that know how to build, put together and keep things running. I know, I made diddly squat when I sat on a chair and pushed pencils. Thank God I went and learnt how to weld and put "stuff" together. Always in demand and better pay. That's what I told my children. You want higher learning, get higher learning. You are good with your hands, use them. I think I did good. Have one daughter (AF) with 3 masters. One daughter(AF) with an associates, but hands on in AF. One son, who is a total people person, but not a "learner" who is now a manager in a fancy schmancy restaurant in Monterey. Oh I can say that daughter the elder is on a desk at Africom

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 22, 2013 07:21 PM (RLdcX)

236 MOST college grads will make more than MOST electricians.

Average college grad salary: $46k

http://www.simplyhired.com/salaries-k-college-graduate-jobs.html

Typical starting salary for a journeyman electrician in FL (who is working for someone else): ~$25/hr == $50k/yr. Last commercial electrician job I did back around 07' paid $25/hr.

In a union town like Chicago or NYC, union electricians are in the $60/hr range.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 07:22 PM (Xlbr8)

237 Random thoughts: The sad reality is that college bachelor degrees outside of engineering are not worth much in the current job market. If you can get one for free or minimal investment under 20 grand then you're probably doing the right thing. PhDs in science are still good investments if in industry-friendly fields - as is true for masters in engineering. No one should go to law school unless they can do it for free or minimal investment under 30k total for the three years. With Obamacare and Obamanomics we are making a whole generation not want to be physicians, which will haunt us the rest of our lives. Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs fame is onto these realities. I wish him well as he tries to awaken America to the realities of good careers without degrees for those who learn skills and will work hard. We will always need such great folks. Germany has thrived in the postwar era by understanding their merit and value and worth.

Posted by: Wise up y'all at November 22, 2013 07:22 PM (5Q1ZU)

238 Drain the grease. OK, you lost me there. Or, as the kids say these days: FAIL

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 07:22 PM (JMmQ9)

239 So Vendette and Northernlurker...great Canadian question...do you have your PAL/RPAL? Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:13 PM (3lxx0) I hate to say it, but I have no clue what you're talking about. It's the Canadian firearms licence...the RPAL rating gets you handguns and AR's...you know, the stuff that drives Progessives nuts.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:22 PM (3lxx0)

240 Last week I took my car into a dealer for a checkup. Someone came along because my car was desirable for a trade-in. I didn't budge. I'm going to drive it into the ground. Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 11:12 PM (MpP9p) Friend of mine is a car salesman, and he told me that is how he trolls for new customers.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 22, 2013 07:22 PM (BXLPR)

241 Alternately, you nuke the sandwich first (10~ sec) and then brown it in the grill.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 10:44 PM (QJTNQ)

That sounds like an interesting idea, but it complicates the whole buttering the bread on the outside for frying/grilling. So nuke, then butter, then grill? It's a million to one shot, but it just. might. work. (H/T to Terry Pratchett).

Posted by: HTL at November 22, 2013 07:22 PM (d6iMX)

242 I dropped out of high school and got a GED several years later. Now I'm doing white-collar work for $37k a year. Considering I've seen jobs that start at $35k and require a doctorate, I think I'm doing okay.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 07:23 PM (ghENB)

243 When I bought my car, I was housesitting and drove the owner's Mercedes sedan to the dealership. I had to tell the salesman it wasn't my car. My SO was with me and he made sure I didn't pay more than I needed. They hated him at the end (the finance lady respected him, though).

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:23 PM (MpP9p)

244 Median income for electricians is $49,840 Median income for those with a BA is $55,800. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 11:21 PM (vxc4j) Break it down by major. A chemical engineer makes a lot more than a Critical Left-handed lesbian transgendered Chicano Studies majorÂ…

Posted by: The Collegiate Hat at November 22, 2013 07:23 PM (Vk2pI)

245 234 Jane,
That is fabulous!
Enjoy yourself!

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 11:21 PM (Fjdw

Thanks! Apparently, the fab beach house is only available during the winter months. I don't care. I'll gladly spend a week in a fab six bedroom house with a stack of books. I threatened my husband with his life if he invites any members of his family, or any friends I haven't approved of.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 07:24 PM (lVPtV)

246 What's the median income of those full of BS?

Posted by: Freaked Out! at November 22, 2013 07:24 PM (JdEZJ)

247 Whattamutt! (#9 on the list of 'should be fired for OCare cluckup')

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 22, 2013 07:24 PM (gJeT3)

248 Actually, it is very easy to earn a good living without a college degree. Just become very good at doing a dirty job that nobody else wants to do. Like the guy who drives the honey wagon that sucks out septic tanks. That job's not going away, but few people want to do it. And yet, those that need that sort of work done will pay handsomely for it.

Right now, here in the Canadian oil patch, recommended starting rate for a floor hand on a rig is $28.00 per hour. That's the base rate, for the first 40 hours in the week. The second 44 hours are at time-and-a-half, or $42.00 per hour. And no union sees a dime of that.

A smart young guy could work that job for a few years, work his way up to derrickhand or driller, at even better $$$, live well, and still put away enough coin to buy a college education. And he would have enough sense not to sign up for "grievance studies" or underwater basket weaving, but instead go for engineering or commerce, where the dollars are.

And yes, a woman could do the same.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 07:24 PM (60Q+L)

249 That sounds like an interesting idea, but it complicates the whole buttering the bread on the outside for frying/grilling. So nuke, then butter, then grill? It's a million to one shot, but it just. might. work. (H/T to Terry Pratchett).

Posted by: HTL at November 22, 2013 11:22 PM (d6iMX)

Hrm, have not had the habit of putting butter on my grilled cheese sandwiches. Will have to experiment.

Post-nuke, the warm bread should melt and absorb the butter, too.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 07:25 PM (QJTNQ)

250 It's the Canadian firearms licence...the RPAL rating gets you handguns and AR's...you know, the stuff that drives Progessives nuts. Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:22 PM (3lxx0) I live in Virginia. I know that telling my Canadian pals I support the 2nd Amendment causes them to drop.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:26 PM (MpP9p)

251 Median income for those with a BA is $55,800.

that's not what the govt is saying

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77

$44,970 in 2011. That includes all BS bachelors degrees, not just the lesser BA.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 07:26 PM (Xlbr8)

252 AOP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_%282006_film%29

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 07:27 PM (Nsoq9)

253 It's the Canadian firearms licence...the RPAL rating gets you handguns and AR's...you know, the stuff that drives Progessives nuts. Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:22 PM (3lxx0) I live in Virginia. I know that telling my Canadian pals I support the 2nd Amendment causes them to drop. ...I know...isn't it great

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:27 PM (3lxx0)

254 I put CNN on because I donÂ’t care for Bill OÂ’s show even when heÂ’s not on, CNN is showing films of all the people that questioned the Warren Commission. I saw a very young Arlen Specter! This is entertaining.

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 07:27 PM (z4WKX)

255 Jane - Mrs. Hammer and I went to the beach last month. No tourists. Suits me. Rainy weather..., I do not care. Sitting inside, warm, dry, comestibles, books, coffee, tea, liquor, beer, view of the ocean. The telephone did not ring once for the entire week. It was fine.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:27 PM (aDwsi)

256 Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 11:24 PM (lVPtV) {{{Jane}}} I hope you, D'oh, and D'oh Boy are doing well!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:28 PM (MpP9p)

257 124 the bestest grilled cheese sammich: "Texas Toast" thick bread, sharp cheddar, and uber-thin slices of onion and tomato. And butter on the outside, natch

I dunno. I once got a wild hair, woke up in the morning, made some bread, and used the fresh homemade bread to make grilled cheese sammiches. They were amazing.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 22, 2013 07:28 PM (U82Km)

258 Son just got out of the Marines, was home a tad over two months, and is working full time driving automotive parts around a 300 sq. mile area.

His boss is the dad of a friend, who said, "I've never hired a vet. You're the hardest working man I've ever had."

Does son want to do this as a career? No. But right now he's 23, earning a good living, and figuring out what he wants to do with his life. He has college grad friends living at home who don't know what to do with themselves, and are too proud to do what our vet son is doing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 07:29 PM (lVPtV)

259 Jane D'oh, I'm proud of D'oh Boy.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:30 PM (MpP9p)

260 Hey, don't forget me! It's the 50th anniversary of my death too. Eric (George Orwell) and I argued from time to time about whether my Brave New World or his 1984 would be the face of the future. We pretty much conceded it would be a combination of the two. So far it looks like we were right --- unless somehow you guys can turn it around. Good luck!

Posted by: Zombie Aldous Huxley at November 22, 2013 07:30 PM (dfYL9)

261 MeanwhileÂ… in America's schools: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA_dI2ia0QM

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 07:31 PM (Vk2pI)

262 He has college grad friends living at home who don't know what to do with themselves, and are too proud to do what our vet son is doing. Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 11:29 PM (lVPtV) Because your son values integrity over pride.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 07:31 PM (GEICT)

263 259 Jane D'oh, I'm proud of D'oh Boy.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 11:30 PM (MpP9p)

Thanks! {{{hug}}}

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 07:31 PM (lVPtV)

264 Alternately, you nuke the sandwich first (10~ sec) and then brown it in the grill. Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 10:44 PM That sounds like an interesting idea, but it complicates the whole buttering the bread on the outside for frying/grilling. So nuke, then butter, then grill? It's a million to one shot, but it just. might. work. (H/T to Terry Pratchett). Posted by: HTL at November 22, 2013 11:22 PM OK, I missed the up-front of this conversation (and aren't you glad that I didn't say "convo": amiright? damn straight I'm right). Short order grilled cheese sammich: chuck two pieces of Wonder BreadÂÂÂ™ into the toaster. When they pop up, slap a slice of "processed cheese-food product" between them and nuke for 18 seconds. tomato soup not included

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 07:31 PM (JMmQ9)

265 I can't begin to tell you the number of people (in Canada) who have complete conniptions when they find out that you can own handguns and black rifles in here...they tell me that it's not legal as I pull out photos of my 7 and 9 year old at the range.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:31 PM (3lxx0)

266 I can't begin to tell you the number of people (in Canada) who have complete conniptions when they find out that you can own handguns and black rifles in here...they tell me that it's not legal as I pull out photos of my 7 and 9 year old at the range. Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:31 PM (3lxx0) If you can own a gun at all.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:33 PM (MpP9p)

267 I don't understand the disdain there is in this country for hands on hard work. My late father owned a business, worked hard, had a degree but still picked up the dead bodies and did all the dirty work. He instilled in us one important thing... Do what you love. He loved his job till the day he died and never thought less of anyone who didn't have the "right" education. It's the person who counts. I've come to the conclusion that Mr. Bovine worships one thing... money. I find that distasteful. Just my opinion. Not deep or anything because, you know, I didn't finish college.

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 07:33 PM (Fjdw8)

268 I know plenty of people with college degrees who are unemployed.
I know people with PhDs. who don't have enough common sense to pour warm piss out of a boot.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2013 07:33 PM (/nZv0)

269 I've come to the conclusion that Mr. Bovine worships one thing... money. Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 11:33 PM (Fjdw A little mood music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmyzFsYEdco

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at November 22, 2013 07:34 PM (Vk2pI)

270 for the food thread...made one of my sons a grilled PBJ last weekend...a surprisingly awesome twist on the classic...very well received.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:34 PM (3lxx0)

271 I know people with PhDs. who don't have enough common sense to pour warm piss out of a boot. Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2013 11:33 PM (/nZv0) It might just be their fetishÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 07:35 PM (Vk2pI)

272 I should take the plumbers licensing test and specialize in just residential water heaters. Special deal -- only $400!. Do only 5 a week == $50k/yr for almost no work with all your time off.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 07:36 PM (Xlbr8)

273 for the food thread...made one of my sons a grilled PBJ last weekend...a surprisingly awesome twist on the classic...very well received. Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:34 PM (3lxx0) Peanut Butter and Jelly!? Raaaaaaaacist!!1!`~eleventy!!1!

Posted by: Professional Privilege Checker at November 22, 2013 07:36 PM (Vk2pI)

274 That sounds like an interesting idea, but it complicates the whole buttering the bread on the outside for frying/grilling. So nuke, then butter, then grill? It's a million to one shot, but it just. might. work. (H/T to Terry Pratchett). Posted by: HTL at November 22, 2013 11:22 PM OK, I missed the up-front of this conversation (and aren't you glad that I didn't say "convo": amiright? damn straight I'm right). Short order grilled cheese sammich: chuck two pieces of Wonder BreadÂÂÂ™ into the toaster. When they pop up, slap a slice of "processed cheese-food product" between them and nuke for 18 seconds. tomato soup not included Posted by: AltonJackson Made cheese sndwches in grade school. It's not global warming science even. Pan, butter, bread, cheese, wait a few. Where's the hard part?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 07:37 PM (KVY+w)

275 for the food thread...made one of my sons a grilled PBJ last weekend...a surprisingly awesome twist on the classic...very well received. Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:34 PM grilled PB&J sammiches are the tops

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 07:37 PM (JMmQ9)

276 I prefer PBandH (peanut butter and honey).

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:37 PM (MpP9p)

277 Ever had a grilled peanut butter and banana sammich - with just a bit of honey? Yum!

Posted by: Wise up y'all at November 22, 2013 07:37 PM (5Q1ZU)

278 @navybrat - so true, unfortunately, we have a huge swath of "the educated" who know so much stuff that just isn't true. When you add grade-inflation into the equation, we have a massive number of very well "educated" morons.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:38 PM (3lxx0)

279
I dunno. I once got a wild hair, woke up in the morning, made some bread, and used the fresh homemade bread to make grilled cheese sammiches. They were amazing.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 22, 2013 11:28 PM (U82Km)

Yep. Homemade bread is da bomb. Used to do the no knead long overnight rising time thing. Made for fantastic grilled cheese, breakfast toast that I'd kill for.

Got out of the habit last year, need to start up again.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 22, 2013 07:38 PM (MBqvE)

280 Some weirdness in "Catching Fire" - I watched this last night -

The character Johanna Mason gave a little speech which strongly implied that she was a lesbian.

Don't remember this in the book.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 07:38 PM (Nsoq9)

281 The biggest thing here is that marketing a college degree to some one like me is just stealing their money. I was expected to go to college and did for a year I sucked at that type of learning. I moved on and got a 2 year Vo-Tech "degree" and make more than any of those median incomes listed. Now To get there I had to say yes to every new job that got added to my original job. Was hired as a Metallographer and was given the opportunity to learn and get certifications in NDT (RT,PT and VT) plus a CWI cert.

And as was said earlier yes this is just anecdotal.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 22, 2013 07:38 PM (DUGve)

282 Purp I will do most anything (legal) to make money but if I had to do plumbing for a living I would go insane. I hate plumbing!

Posted by: Freaked Out! at November 22, 2013 07:38 PM (JdEZJ)

283 Time for the old folk. Y'all settle the world's problems without me.

Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 22, 2013 07:39 PM (SAMxH)

284 Where's the hard part? --------------- The usual debate. The nature of the bread/cheese/butter/grill/toast/ambient humidity.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:39 PM (aDwsi)

285 I should take the plumbers licensing test and specialize in just residential water heaters. Special deal -- only $400!. Do only 5 a week == $50k/yr for almost no work with all your time off. Posted by: Purp What's this now? What kind of pre-req is needed for that?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 07:39 PM (KVY+w)

286 267 I don't understand the disdain there is in this country for hands on hard work. My late father owned a business, worked hard, had a degree but still picked up the dead bodies and did all the dirty work. He instilled in us one important thing... Do what you love. He loved his job till the day he died and never thought less of anyone who didn't have the "right" education. It's the person who counts.

I've come to the conclusion that Mr. Bovine worships one thing... money.

I find that distasteful. Just my opinion. Not deep or anything because, you know, I didn't finish college.

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 11:33 PM (Fjdw

I can't count the number of "friends" who came up to me tonight to ask if our son was going to "further his education so he won't be stuck driving trucks."

First of all, our private school educated son, as a Marine vet and Eagle Scout, has more leadership experience than your average college grad.

The next asshole who looks at me sadly and says, "I'm so sorry your son isn't in college" I'll punch in the face. He'll get there in his own time, after he's dealt with a few issues of PTSD. Unlike Special Snowflakes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 07:39 PM (lVPtV)

287 Hrm, have not had the habit of putting butter on my grilled cheese sandwiches. Will have to experiment.

Post-nuke, the warm bread should melt and absorb the butter, too.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 11:25 PM (QJTNQ)

Of course, the butter is not there primarily for flavor, it is just a mechanism for heat transferrence to make sure that the outside gets nice and crispy without any burning. Now that you mention it, however, I wonder if vegetable oil would achieve the same effect. Not olive oil; too strongly flavored. I don't need to worry about eating butter from a health perspective, but oil would be easier to brush on and might have a higher smoke point.

Posted by: HTL at November 22, 2013 07:40 PM (d6iMX)

288 Is there any sandwich which isn't improved by grilling?

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:40 PM (3lxx0)

289 244 Median income for electricians is $49,840

Median income for those with a BA is $55,800.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 11:21 PM (vxc4j)

Break it down by major.

A chemical engineer makes a lot more than a Critical Left-handed lesbian transgendered Chicano Studies majorÂ…

Posted by: The Collegiate Hat at November 22, 2013 11:23 PM (Vk2pI)

Unfortunately, this isn't universally true -- the White House is currently full over overpaid, undertalented Critical Left-handed lesbian transgendered Chicano Studies majors....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 07:40 PM (T1005)

290 Opportunity cost of 4 years of college:

$35~40k non-college salary, on top of tuition of $10k/year. Say it's $50k

What could that money have earned?   Take the stock market recently; I'm getting 10~% return with just blindly leaving money in mutual funds. (Course that's mostly QE, but it's still worth something)

So that 1st year tuition $50k becomes worth $73k after 4 years; 2nd year tuition $66k, 3rd year $60k, and the 4th year's $55k.

$254k for that piece of paper.    Now consider that that all future money is worth less than current money.     Too lazy to do that calculation, but say the college degree gives you a $10k head start out the graduating class; that takes 25~ years to catch up to the non-college grad who started working 4 years earlier and invested it.

As college tuitions get inflated; the payback approaches "never".   God help you if you picked a worthless degree.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 07:40 PM (QJTNQ)

291 Good night, Irongrampa!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:40 PM (MpP9p)

292 I watched a computer programmer at IBM pour ATF into his radiator one day...

...another guy burned his car to the ground fucking around with his battery when he dead shorted it somehow and dumped a few thousand amps through all the chassis wiring.

Watching "professionals" do real world "stuff" can be quite entertaining ;->

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 07:40 PM (Xlbr8)

293 Night irongrampa.

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 07:40 PM (Fjdw8)

294 #276: Ever tried peanut butter and maple syrup?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 07:40 PM (ghENB)

295 232 Median income for electricians is $49,840 Median income for those with a BA is $55,800. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 22, 2013 11:21 PM (vxc4j) Ah! But how much student load debt does the BA have?

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 07:41 PM (sdi6R)

296 My tip for different grilled cheese sammich: Rye bread Genoa Salami Loraine Swiss butter outside of rye bread. One one slice put salami, on other the swiss. Put open-ended on 350 degree oven on baking sheet. Cheese will melt at the same time salami gets hot and crispy on sides. Take out, slap together, slightly spicy grilled cheese, very filling

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 22, 2013 07:41 PM (RLdcX)

297

I've lost the sound on my iMac and can't figure out how to get it back. And no it's not on mute.
Any experts?
Posted by: Northernlurker AKA Ragnar the Phillips screwdriver of Thor at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (BLAfs)

What is an iMac? A Macintosh that goes on the internet?

Posted by: burmatar at November 22, 2013 07:41 PM (x6Qp7)

298

heheheh eh heheh... "hard part"... heheh eh heheh

Posted by: beavis at November 22, 2013 07:42 PM (9gNQd)

299 I donÂ’t have a degree, but I can figure things out. I hated school as a kid and was easily bored. I canÂ’t stand to sit still and listen to someone. Degrees are not everything. Some people have all degrees and have no common sense. I was four when JFK was killed & donÂ’t remember it. I thought the conspiracy theories were later. I didnÂ’t realize they stared right away.

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 07:42 PM (z4WKX)

300
I believe that the new rule in Hollywood is that all movies must have a gay/lesbian/transgendered/bicurious charachter or the director and writers will be drummed out of the Hollywood Guild.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 22, 2013 11:41 PM (OWjjx)

But the gay character can NOT be the villain, or one of the evil minions.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 22, 2013 07:42 PM (MBqvE)

301 Is there any sandwich which isn't improved by grilling? Posted by: Brian in BC Well, if one insists on lettuce as an ingredient, I'd avoid the grill part.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 07:42 PM (KVY+w)

302 If you ever need an MA in liberal arts, just go to Starbucks where they make $10 an hour.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2013 07:42 PM (/nZv0)

303 Actually, on the second thought I don't really care.

Posted by: burmatar at November 22, 2013 07:42 PM (x6Qp7)

304 &HTL...grapeseed oil...no flavour...high smoke-point...you're welcome.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:42 PM (3lxx0)

305 Is there any sandwich which isn't improved by grilling? Posted by: Brian ----------- Sometimes. I prefer rye for most sandwiches. The flavor shifts when it is toasted or grilled. Sometimes, I just want a ham and cheese on un-grilled rye.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:43 PM (aDwsi)

306 I've lost the sound on my iMac and can't figure out how to get it back. And no it's not on mute

Check sound mixer settings. I've see some apps screw around with those levels and not put them back. Its gonna be a setting deeper down than just a mute setting

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 07:43 PM (Xlbr8)

307 288 Is there any sandwich which isn't improved by grilling? Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:40 PM (3lxx0) Yes, a shit sandwich

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 22, 2013 07:44 PM (gJeT3)

308 Don't know why but they are REALLY pushing for RN to get 4 year degrees and giving RN's with a 2 year are being told you must go back to school. I know my wife did not get the Job she wanted because she was not a 4 year degree, but she won Nurse of the year.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 22, 2013 07:45 PM (b6koZ)

309 Sitting here on pins and needles. Tomorrow I will pick up daughter the younger at airport. She will be back from deployment. Right now she arrived in Ireland. Yippy!!!!!! Posted by: Ma Bell at November 22, 2013 11:07 PM (RLdcX) Ma Bell, is she going to be home for good? IÂ’m happy for you! Carol

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 07:45 PM (z4WKX)

310 288 Is there any sandwich which isn't improved by grilling? Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:40 PM (3lxx0) Yes, a shit sandwich Ah...the Obama special!

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:45 PM (3lxx0)

311 So the kids pick degrees they think will make them a shitload of money but are miserable for the next 30 to 40 years of their lives. That is if they live that long. The stress will kill them just trying to keep up with the cost of living. Brilliant.

Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 07:46 PM (Fjdw8)

312 288 Is there any sandwich which isn't improved by grilling? Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:40 PM (3lxx0)

----------------------
Yes, a shit sandwich
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 22, 2013 11:44 PM (gJeT3)

But is it improved over the un-grilled version!?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 07:46 PM (QJTNQ)

313
Is there any sandwich which isn't improved by grilling?
Posted by: Brian in BC

Well, if one insists on lettuce as an ingredient, I'd avoid the grill part.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 22, 2013 11:42 PM (KVY+w)

BLT on sourdough toast. Yum. And the lettuce isn't a matter of insisting, it's absolutely essential to contrast with the salty awesomeness of the bacon.

And yeah, I'm a sourdough nut.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 22, 2013 07:47 PM (MBqvE)

314 Is there any sandwich which isn't improved by grilling? Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:40 PM (3lxx0) I know I am gonna get yelled at....but fried/grilled bologna is horrible, in my humble opinion. Dude...you include bologna and you are automatically in the "horrible" category...

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:48 PM (3lxx0)

315 Don't know why but they are REALLY pushing for RN to get 4 year degrees and giving RN's with a 2 year are being told you must go back to school. I know my wife did not get the Job she wanted because she was not a 4 year degree, but she won Nurse of the year. Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 22, 2013 11:45 PM (b6koZ) Why not? (My mom is an RN)

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:48 PM (MpP9p)

316 G'night Horde. Gotta tear down everything to get ready for the move tomorrow.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 07:48 PM (QJTNQ)

317 287 Hrm, have not had the habit of putting butter on my grilled cheese sandwiches. Will have to experiment.

Post-nuke, the warm bread should melt and absorb the butter, too.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 22, 2013 11:25 PM (QJTNQ)

Of course, the butter is not there primarily for flavor, it is just a mechanism for heat transferrence to make sure that the outside gets nice and crispy without any burning. Now that you mention it, however, I wonder if vegetable oil would achieve the same effect. Not olive oil; too strongly flavored. I don't need to worry about eating butter from a health perspective, but oil would be easier to brush on and might have a higher smoke point.

Posted by: HTL at November 22, 2013 11:40 PM (d6iMX)

The lower smoke point is why you use butter in the first place -- it makes the outside of the bread brown and a touch crispy.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 07:49 PM (T1005)

318 Ma Bell, is she going to be home for good? IÂ’m happy for you! Carol Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 11:45 PM (z4WKX) Who knows? The way it seems to be going, she probably ends up being deployed again. Most likely she will be here on base for at least a year. Unless the Imbecile does something idiotic

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 22, 2013 07:49 PM (RLdcX)

319 Wife just trained a girl who went back to be an RN after getting her Degree in Art History, she owes out the butt in loans for her degree and RN.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 22, 2013 07:49 PM (b6koZ)

320 Rye bread is my thing. Tuna melts on rye, pastrami reubens on rye... om nom nom.

It's the joo in me.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 07:49 PM (Nsoq9)

321 288 Is there any sandwich which isn't improved by grilling? Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 11:40 PM (3lxx0) ---------------------- Yes, a shit sandwich Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 22, 2013 11:44 PM (gJeT3) But is it improved over the un-grilled version!? I wouldn't know...ask John Boehner...he seems to love to eat them either way.

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:50 PM (3lxx0)

322 ...but they are REALLY pushing for RN to get 4 year degrees...

Same with teachers. Palm Beach school district wants all their teachers to have a masters now within I think 3 years of being hired. Whooptie freaking doo. All the teachers I know, who already have the masters in Ed, are pretty much imbeciles, so the local universities must be handing out those Ed Masters like green stamps.

Some is probably because a HS diploma is like toilet paper, and a BA is kinda what a HS diploma used to be 100 years ago.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 07:51 PM (Xlbr8)

323 Looking back at 40 years of work and 5 years of retirement, and looking at peers my age who have followed various paths I have learned: With reasonable effort a college degree will bring a decent succession of jobs, a decent life and if lucky, a dreary subsistence retirement. Wealth creation starts after your first 40 hours. Use your job to pay the bills and start a business that you work at night and on the weekends. Do this as soon as possible. That is the road to financial independence and a nice retirement, though it isn't guaranteed. Degree? Depends on the degree and how you take advantage of the knowledge acquired along with the diploma.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 07:51 PM (1Y+hH)

324 Mike Hammer: ambient humidity is the beast of burden we all share

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 07:51 PM (JMmQ9)

325 Nothing beats a fried egg and fried bologna sandwhich with cheese.

Posted by: SH at November 22, 2013 07:52 PM (QEz+0)

326 Invited a dear friend who is so busy with music, the arts, the homeless, and our church to dinner on Thanksgiving, tonight.

Was stunned (and thrilled) when she accepted, yet shocked. Everyone in this town knows her. She's a lovely widow, educated, funny, just a great person.

Anyhow, taught me a lesson. Even the most popular, well-known person you know may not have an invite to a holiday meal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 07:52 PM (lVPtV)

327 boulder toilet hobo - rye fist bump

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:52 PM (aDwsi)

328 I watched a computer programmer at IBM pour ATF into his radiator one day...>>

Never let an accountant hook up his own battery with the other end of the jumper cables. Red and black mean different things to them than a Mechanic.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 22, 2013 07:52 PM (DUGve)

329 Unfortunately, this isn't universally true -- the White House is currently full over overpaid, undertalented Critical Left-handed lesbian transgendered Chicano Studies majors.... Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 11:40 PM (T1005) No. They are just "Critical Lesbian transgendered Chicano Studies major." They ignore left-handers and are dextro-normative oppressors. You see it is all about the intersectional web of oppression spun b y the Kyriarchy to oppress everyone and those who do not acknowledge their own right-handed privilege, or enable dextro-normative privilege are evil oppressors that just end up oppressing themselves because the privileged oppressors maintain their privilege that way and it's all Bush's fault and the Koch brothers are probably right-hand supremacists and anyway its all just a social construct unless you are left-handed in which case you are born that way and stop oppressing me!!1! NO JUSTIC!1!! NO PIECE!!1!~`eleventy!!1! NO JUSTIC!1!! NO PIECE!!1!~`eleventy!!1! NO JUSTIC!1!! NO PIECE!!1!~`eleventy!!1! NO JUSTIC!1!! NO PIECE!!1!~`eleventy!!1! NO JUSTIC!1!! NO PIECE!!1!~`eleventy!!1!

Posted by: Left Hander Liberation Front! at November 22, 2013 07:52 PM (Vk2pI)

330 Why not? (My mom is an RN) Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 11:48 PM (MpP9p) "They" Hospitals and the State of Ohio are try to phase out 2 year associate degrees which are cheaper and than 4

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 22, 2013 07:54 PM (b6koZ)

331 Thank you, Mike Hammer and others, for the Lewis quotes. I can't get enough of him. Narnia was just the launching pad. I love his "Mere Christianity", "Space Trilogy" (esp. "Perelandra" which makes me feel safe and warm all over)... so many others.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 22, 2013 07:54 PM (KL49F)

332 Anyhow, taught me a lesson. Even the most popular, well-known person you know may not have an invite to a holiday meal. Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 11:52 PM (lVPtV) If we were all that courageous.

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:55 PM (MpP9p)

333 Congrats, Ma Bell! You must be so happy!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 22, 2013 07:55 PM (KL49F)

334 267 I don't understand the disdain there is in this country for hands on hard work. My late father owned a business, worked hard, had a degree but still picked up the dead bodies and did all the dirty work. He instilled in us one important thing... Do what you love. He loved his job till the day he died and never thought less of anyone who didn't have the "right" education. It's the person who counts. Posted by: mpfs at November 22, 2013 11:33 PM (Fjdw Yes. Exactly. America was built by people who weren't afraid to get their hands dirty, and by those who were willing to do work that others disdained. Nobody in their right mind is opposed to education. But the problem today is credentialism. Someone gets a degree at the Kennedy School of Government, and--lo and behold!--they get a job in the government, where they get to boss the rest of us around. Nice work if you can get it, I suppose. But a high school dropout who can read and who loves learning can teach himself more than the credentialed drone can 'learn' at the foot of his Marxist professors. And someone who learns a trade and develops practical skills can make a perfectly decent living. Maybe he won't make as much money as the Kennedy School of Government guy, but if he adjusts his appetites to his income, he'll do just fine.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 07:56 PM (sdi6R)

335 Degrees can help get you in the door, but their value rapidly decreases after the first job. Then it's about networking and building a skill set that you can use to drive your career.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 22, 2013 07:56 PM (lr3d7)

336 "They" Hospitals and the State of Ohio are try to phase out 2 year associate degrees which are cheaper and than 4

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 22, 2013 11:54 PM (b6koZ)

Anticipating the consequences of Obamacare: "So you can't get a doctor. Tough. All our RN's have 4-year degrees, so they are almost doctors, anyway."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 07:56 PM (60Q+L)

337 Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 22, 2013 11:20 PM (Nsoq9)

I didn't know Huxley died on the same day; what an awful day it was.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 22, 2013 07:56 PM (KL49F)

338 I've lost the sound on my iMac and can't figure out how to get it back. And no it's not on mute[/] dial 1.800.Lileks for the solution

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 07:56 PM (JMmQ9)

339 I have to call it a night. Good night, all!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 07:57 PM (MpP9p)

340 "I've lost the sound on my iMac and can't figure out how to get it back." But, nothing evah goes wrong with Mac! You have obviously failed it somehow.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 07:58 PM (1Y+hH)

341 325 ...but they are REALLY pushing for RN to get 4 year degrees...

Same with teachers. Palm Beach school district wants all their teachers to have a masters now within I think 3 years of being hired. Whooptie freaking doo. All the teachers I know, who already have the masters in Ed, are pretty much imbeciles, so the local universities must be handing out those Ed Masters like green stamps.

Some is probably because a HS diploma is like toilet paper, and a BA is kinda what a HS diploma used to be 100 years ago.

Posted by: Purp at November 22, 2013 11:51 PM (Xlbr

Creeping credentialism -- it's everywhere. And why? Because it gets away from the difficult "able to do things" business and instead creates permanent opportunities for those who manage the credential.

See, for example http://www.dca.ca.gov/about_dca/entities.shtml -- and every one of those needing a 4-year degree helps keep an academic working, to boot.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 07:58 PM (T1005)

342 342 I have to call it a night. Good night, all!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 11:57 PM (MpP9p)

'Night!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 07:58 PM (lVPtV)

343 night...

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 07:58 PM (3lxx0)

344 332 ... Sock hyperventilating on a comment ... 9.25. No winning smile.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 22, 2013 07:59 PM (FlRtG)

345 331 I watched a computer programmer at IBM pour ATF into his radiator one day...>> Never let an accountant hook up his own battery with the other end of the jumper cables. Red and black mean different things to them than a Mechanic. Posted by: The Hickster at November 22, 2013 11:52 PM (DUGve) My Dad always refused to sign credit recites in Red ink and the waiter would always gets pissy about it. If you want a tip get me a another pen. God I miss him

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 22, 2013 07:59 PM (b6koZ)

346 I went to my neighborhood Whole Foods once (because Half-Eaten Foods didn't do so hot in the market testing), and I got a big, fat heirloom tomato, a pack of Canadian bacon, a loaf of sourdough bread, and a pack of white cheddar, and I combined all those ingredients into some really good grilled cheese (and other stuff) sandwiches.

I should go do that again sometime.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 07:59 PM (ghENB)

347 Posted by: Left Hander Liberation Front! at November 22, 2013 11:52 PM (Vk2pI)

Shouldn't that be: "!1!!ytnevele'~!1!!ECEIP ON !!1!CITSUJ ON"?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:01 PM (T1005)

348 Evening. Just watched Lincoln Lawyer...again. Older age is wonderful. I can watch a movie two years later and never remember i saw it the first time.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:01 PM (4Mv1T)

349 Well, night all.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 08:02 PM (lVPtV)

350 Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 11:58 PM (T1005) Which is why my wife is looking to change jobs so that they will pay for school and not us. And most new (RN) hire are REQUIRED to go back to school within 3 years or your FIRED.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 22, 2013 08:03 PM (b6koZ)

351 I was half paying attention to CNN, last man on just said that the US needs to have a president that gives us Hope like JFK. I thought that the special was from years ago & SCOAMF got a hold of that Â“hopeÂ” but it was released in 2013. Man mentioned every president after him, but excluded The JEF!

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 08:03 PM (z4WKX)

352 I would much rather hire someone without a college degree with common sense than someone with a degree and no common sense. I have had guys work for me in the past who were 6 figure guys and the best ones didn't have the degrees.

Posted by: Austin Powers at November 22, 2013 08:04 PM (jucos)

353 I make six figures and no one has asked me for my cirriculum vitae, ever.
Not once.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2013 08:06 PM (/nZv0)

354 Had a tree hugged knock on my door around dinner time wanting me to sign a petition about recycling batteries and light bulbs or something. It was after dark, an Arctic cold front just blew through so it is in the mid 30's with a wind chill in the 20's, and drizzling/raining off and on all day, and I live in the suburbs at the far edge of the city limits. Keep in mind I live in central Texas so we don't do the cold very well, this girl was determined. Most of my neighbors had signed. I asked for more info so I could do some research since I don't sign anything impulsively. She hands me a flyer. Like I thought, Environmentalist group wanting to ban coal fired power plants, fraking, land fills, plastic bags, etc. All stuff I actually am for. I guess all my neighbors didn't know they were against all that stuff and will be upset when they find out they can't have electricity for air conditioning or gas cars cause they signed a petition they didn't read. Those tree nuggets are sneaky, they made it sound like they just wanted to dispose of batteries and cfl bulb in a safer easier way. We wouldn't have the cfl bulb problem in the first place if it weren't for them pushing to save energy begin with, duh!!!

Posted by: lindafell at November 22, 2013 08:06 PM (PGO8C)

355 Huh. Apparently the trick to bagging Bambi is leave half your stuff at home and drive the car you don't want to get blood and guts in.

Evening roonz and roonettez! What's shakin'?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 22, 2013 08:07 PM (yh0zB)

356 354 I was half paying attention to CNN, last man on just said that the US needs to have a president that gives us Hope like JFK.

I thought that the special was from years ago & SCOAMF got a hold of that Â“hopeÂ” but it was released in 2013. Man mentioned every president after him, but excluded The JEF!

Posted by: Carol T at November 23, 2013 12:03 AM (z4WKX)

A week and some ago, visited the Reagan Library and was reminded of what a great surge of hope I had during the Reagan years -- and then got a little depressed because all those things that Reagan was fighting against, and winning.....are still here.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:07 PM (T1005)

357 356 I make six figures and no one has asked me for my cirriculum vitae, ever.
Not once.

Posted by: navybrat at November 23, 2013 12:06 AM (/nZv0)

Hey, navybrat -- fork over your CV, why doncha?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:08 PM (T1005)

358 College is important for STEM. We largely live in the a service based economy now.I still remember going to my first job in banking and being utterly shocked how many people didn't have degrees.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 22, 2013 08:09 PM (AxTKU)

359 It is still impressive. I am sure that if I were a Democrat I would have been granted tenure somewhere.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2013 08:09 PM (/nZv0)

360 I can't count the number of "friends" who came up to me tonight to ask if our son was going to "further his education so he won't be stuck driving trucks." First of all, our private school educated son, as a Marine vet and Eagle Scout, has more leadership experience than your average college grad. The next asshole who looks at me sadly and says, "I'm so sorry your son isn't in college" I'll punch in the face. He'll get there in his own time, after he's dealt with a few issues of PTSD. Unlike Special Snowflakes. Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 11:39 PM (lVPtV Jane, D'oh boy will do just fine in life. Years ago, the industry I was in depended on kids fresh out of school to work in it. I hired 6 recent college grads, and only about 1 was halfway decent. I hired a female veteran with 2 young children at home, and a husband that was on the road 1/2 the year. She did more work than all the others combined. Never late to work, never had to ask her to work overtime, never had to ask if she would come in on the weekend, never complained, was always in a good mood and eager to help out. I would have fired all of the college grads and hired veterans to take their jobs if my co-owners hadn't decided to sell the company. Have fun at the beach. My sister has a place in the Outer Banks, and we all love going down there from October to April. The beach in the winter is so peaceful.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 22, 2013 08:10 PM (BXLPR)

361 We wouldn't have the cfl bulb problem in the first place if it weren't for them pushing to save energy begin with, duh!!! Posted by: lindafell ----------------------------- I worked for Sylvania from 79-89. Great job. We introduced all manner of energy saving light bulbs and fluoresent tubes, even back then. I bought none of them then, or now, for my home. If you don't have a 100,000 sq. ft. warehouse, good luck seeing any savings on your power bill.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:11 PM (4Mv1T)

362 361 College is important for STEM. We largely live in the a service based economy now.I still remember going to my first job in banking and being utterly shocked how many people didn't have degrees.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 23, 2013 12:09 AM (AxTKU)

College is important for credentials, which are required by people who manage credentials in order to perpetuate the value of the credentials they manage and justify their own exorbitant titles and compensation.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:12 PM (T1005)

363 Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 23, 2013 12:10 AM (BXLPR)

I believe that hiring vets gets you a tax break now too right?

Posted by: CDR M at November 22, 2013 08:13 PM (LsJl8)

364
Jane, D'oh boy will do just fine in life.

Years ago, the industry I was in depended on kids fresh out of school to work in it. I hired 6 recent college grads, and only about 1 was halfway decent. I hired a female veteran with 2 young children at home, and a husband that was on the road 1/2 the year. She did more work than all the others combined. Never late to work, never had to ask her to work overtime, never had to ask if she would come in on the weekend, never complained, was always in a good mood and eager to help out. I would have fired all of the college grads and hired veterans to take their jobs if my co-owners hadn't decided to sell the company.

Have fun at the beach. My sister has a place in the Outer Banks, and we all love going down there from October to April. The beach in the winter is so peaceful.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 23, 2013 12:10 AM (BXLPR)

Thanks. My husband owns a business and does his best to hire vets.

As far as the beach house goes, it will be the first vacation my husband and I have taken in nearly 11 years.

Small business ownership has its costs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 08:13 PM (lVPtV)

365 I wonder if anyone would be interested in this? I found it in an old binder when I was cleaning out the garage. Sometimes I like to write parodies of songs. It's got a little bit to do with my nick, because I have always liked Weird Al (main reason for my nick is different though). Anyhow, I came across a song that I wrote to the tune of "Bonnie Blue Flag". It's a great tune, even if the cause it was written for isn't (From Gods and Generals- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-3WAhbulFs). Just after the 2010 midterms(remember those heady times? We thought we were turning the country around) I wrote this: "We are a band of brothers And native to the soil, Fighting for the property We gained by honest toil; And when our rights were threatened, The cry rose near and far-- "Hurrah for the Gadson Flag Fly proudly from our spar!" CHORUS: Hurrah! Hurrah! Individual rights hurrah! Hurrah for the Gadson Flag Fly proudly from our spar. While the D.C elite, Were faithful to their trust, Like friends and like brothers Both kind were we and just; But now, when Federal treachery Attempts our rights to mar, We hoist on high the Gadson Flag Fly proudly from our spar.--CHORUS First gallant Rick Santelli cried out from the exchange, The people followed quickly, rejecting this new "change". Alsaka's native daughter, inspired many more All raised on high the Gadson Flag Fly proudly from our spar.--CHORUS Ye men of valor, gather round The banner of our fight; From home to halls of Congress The statist foe we smite. We shall oppose the president, his cronies and his tzars; Now rally round the Gadson Flag Fly proudly from our spar.--CHORUS And then in old Virginia-- progressives met their fate-- Along with blue New Jersey showed reforms can not wait; Impelled by their example, Now other states prepare To hoist on high the Gadson Flag Fly proudly from our spar.--CHORUS Then cheer, boys, cheer; Raise the joyous shout, The two-ten midterms proved our case There is no remaining doubt; And let another rousing cheer For freedom's light be given, "Don't tread on me" from the Gadson Flag Flys proudly from our spar.--CHORUS Then here's to our Republic, Strong are we and brave; Like patriots of old we'll fight Our rule of law to save. And rather than submit to shame, To die we would prefer; So cheer for the Gadson Flag Fly proudly from our spar.--CHORUS What do y'all think?

Posted by: Weirddave at November 22, 2013 08:13 PM (N/cFh)

366 16 You coulda been a contender!

Posted by: bill-o at November 22, 2013 08:13 PM (AWwDY)

367 lindafell - I had a guy show up from The Canary Coalition, *with* his adolescent daughter in tow. I ordered him off of the property. "Well, can I just leave a flyer?", he pleaded. "No", says I. "Get off of my property." I felt a little badly about it later, but not much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:13 PM (aDwsi)

368 Apparently the trick to bagging Bambi

Didn't know it was that difficult

Posted by: Reggie! at November 22, 2013 08:14 PM (Nsoq9)

369 I have had guys work for me in the past who were 6 figure guys and the best ones didn't have the degrees.

The guy who wrote the core code for DoD's real time crypto satellite uplink/downlink out of Iraq didn't have a degree...and he's one of the sharpest engineers and electronic design guys I've ever worked with. He bailed out after 3 years in college.

Need a custom gadget, he can design it. Need some bullet proof mission critical code, he can write it.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 08:15 PM (Xlbr8)

370 A week and some ago, visited the Reagan Library and was reminded of what a great surge of hope I had during the Reagan years -- and then got a little depressed because all those things that Reagan was fighting against, and winning.....are still here. Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2013 12:07 AM I have hope with men like Ted Cruz & Mike Lee, the men the SCF endorsed and The Madison Project have endorsed. Someone posted earlier that McConnell has to go, he does. I hope Bevin slaughters him. I read on BB tonight that old Mitch wants to punch Tea Party people, SCF etc. Tea Party came back and said that he needs them.

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 08:16 PM (z4WKX)

371 "further his education so he won't be stuck driving trucks." I always let trucks merge in front of me. Partly because they're bigger than me, but mostly because they're doing important work that keeps the country humming. Especially beer trucks.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 08:16 PM (sdi6R)

372 GGE - Are you telling us that you had a successful hunt?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:17 PM (aDwsi)

373 Well boys and girls, it's been a long day and I'm bushed. I'm heading off into the sunset.

Later roonz and roonettez! Fear no evil.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 22, 2013 08:17 PM (yh0zB)

374 GGE - Are you telling us that you had a successful hunt?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 12:17 AM (aDwsi)

Successful indeed. Just a little yearling spike buck, but hey, it's meat in the freezer.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 22, 2013 08:18 PM (yh0zB)

375 374 "further his education so he won't be stuck driving trucks."

He drove big huge ass armored trucks with mine rollers on the front.

And had two friends blown up by IEDs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 22, 2013 08:18 PM (lVPtV)

376 In case Molly k hasn't received another chili recipes: The best chili recipe that I have come across is the Neely's White Chicken Chili recipe at FoodNetwork. I have made it several times for crowds and it was devoured, with many compliments. To save time, you can just buy a rotisserie chicken or two and use that - it's quite easy to make.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 22, 2013 08:18 PM (R3gO3)

377 GGE - Oh, you weren't last night. We're gonna need to borrow your car.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:18 PM (aDwsi)

378 I want a sammich...but I'm flat out of any bread like substance...

...WMT beckons.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 08:18 PM (Xlbr8)

379 The lower smoke point is why you use butter in the first place -- it makes the outside of the bread brown and a touch crispy. Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 11:49 PM] Quite.Right. There's a whole science about grilled cheese sammiches....

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 08:18 PM (JMmQ9)

380 374 "further his education so he won't be stuck driving trucks."

I always let trucks merge in front of me.

Partly because they're bigger than me, but mostly because they're doing important work that keeps the country humming.

Especially beer trucks.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 12:16 AM (sdi6R)

You need to be careful letting beer trucks merge in front -- if you get caught in their draft you could end up going wherever they do.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:19 PM (T1005)

381 TR - If you're still here, you need to bring the liquor. We have a plan.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:19 PM (aDwsi)

382 Posted by: Austin Powers at November 23, 2013 12:04 AM (jucos) That's especially true now. The ones with degrees come to the job interview and start by informing you that they have trip coming up soon so you will need to work around that. they can't add 11 + 17 without their phone. And it goes on from there.... [Present company excluded, of course, morons know better.]

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 08:21 PM (1Y+hH)

383 382 The lower smoke point is why you use butter in the first place -- it makes the outside of the bread brown and a touch crispy.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 11:49 PM]

Quite.Right. There's a whole science about grilled cheese sammiches....

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 23, 2013 12:18 AM (JMmQ9)

Looking at your nic and thinking of browning got me imagining the host of Good Eats! singing, "I've seen fire and I've seen rain...."

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:22 PM (T1005)

384 TR - If you're still here, you need to bring the liquor. We have a plan. Posted by: Mike Hammer ------------------------- I bring liquor with, or without a plan. What's the plan!?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:25 PM (4Mv1T)

385 TR - Moonless night. Fast car. Back roads. We kidnap Trey Gowdy, return to NC, ply him with whisky, run him against Richard Burr. All NC morons seem to be on board so far.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:27 PM (aDwsi)

386 388 TR - Moonless night. Fast car. Back roads. We kidnap Trey Gowdy, return to NC, ply him with whisky, run him against Richard Burr.

All NC morons seem to be on board so far.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 12:27 AM (aDwsi)

Hell, it sounds great to me, and I'm in California.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:28 PM (T1005)

387 I always let trucks merge in front of me. Partly because they're bigger than me, but mostly because they're doing important work that keeps the country humming. Especially beer trucks. Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 12:16 AM that is wise Like I keep trying to 'splain to TheMissusÂ™: 80,000 lbs @ 70 mph always has the right of way. It's physics, people. Do the math.

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 08:30 PM (JMmQ9)

388 Is Moo Moo gone? Because that Troll has a lot to learn about life.

Hard Knocks beats Figures ten-of-ten times.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 08:30 PM (lq3Ak)

389 Quite.Right. There's a whole science about grilled cheese sammiches....
My mom always called them "toasted cheese sandwiches"
Could it have been a regional expression?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 22, 2013 08:31 PM (mVyen)

390 #387: Who needs a plan when liquor is involved? I mean, really.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 08:31 PM (ghENB)

391 Can someone explain why JFK & LBJ were together? Is it new since then that they cannot travel together? I know TX was dem state 50 years ago.

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 08:31 PM (z4WKX)

392 Yes, the sociopathic one has been absent for some time now.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 08:32 PM (1Y+hH)

393 We're stealing beer trucks, now?

Stop signs be damned.

...this cannot end well.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 08:32 PM (lq3Ak)

394 Good evening, Horde. I knit a hat today, pic in Twitter. Then I drank beer with my friend. Hooray, beer!

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 22, 2013 08:32 PM (N/cFh)

395 390 Like I keep trying to 'splain to TheMissusÂ™: 80,000 lbs @ 70 mph always has the right of way. It's physics, people. Do the math. Posted by: AltonJackson at November 23, 2013 12:30 AM (JMmQ9) That doesn't require math or academic credentials.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 08:33 PM (sdi6R)

396 Don't get me wrong, I know people with advanced degrees which were awarded with merit.
For every one of those I know about six to ten awarded in spite of lacking merit.
Diploma mills, etc. Garbage in garbage out.
Take the money and run.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2013 08:33 PM (/nZv0)

397 I believe that hiring vets gets you a tax break now too right? Posted by: CDR M at November 23, 2013 12:13 AM (LsJl It probably does, but you will get a great f'n employee in the process. BTW, you are in Nor/VaBeach/Hampton area right? Have you had any of the Young Veterans Brewing beers? 367 Thanks. My husband owns a business and does his best to hire vets. As far as the beach house goes, it will be the first vacation my husband and I have taken in nearly 11 years. Small business ownership has its costs. Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 23, 2013 12:13 AM (lVPtV) Trust me. I know all about small business ownership having its costs. I just finished paying off the loan from the business that we sold almost 10 years ago. Closing on a business that was dependent on travel and had higher than normal insurance costs on 9/5/01 didn't help matters at all.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 22, 2013 08:33 PM (BXLPR)

398 TR - Moonless night. Fast car. Back roads. We kidnap Trey Gowdy, return to NC, ply him with whisky, run him against Richard Burr. All NC morons seem to be on board so far. Posted by: Mike Hammer ------------------------------- I'm just trying to imagine what it would be like to have a real senator. Imagine the possibilities if we had a red senator who actually voted during senate votes. BTW, and absolutely the truth. I was also asked to drive the getaway car for a prospective bank heist in high school. The car? 66 VW with cracked block and no reverse. I passed.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:33 PM (4Mv1T)

399 309. BSN (4 year degree RN) is an almost worthless degree in my opinion. The extra two years is all about administrative side of nursing and not about patient care, medications or the disease process. And at the end of it, they only get about a buck or two more an hour, at least initially.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 22, 2013 08:34 PM (Zswg6)

400

evening 'rons and 'ronettes. Missed the east coast crew but just in time for the west coast crew

Nice ONT CDR M. I suppose I should chime in regarding marketing higher ed etc...

but I'd rather drink.

Posted by: rich@gmu at November 22, 2013 08:34 PM (ga+7c)

401 381 I want a sammich...but I'm flat out of any bread like substance... ...WMT beckons. Posted by: Purp at November 23, 2013 12:18 AM (Xlbr

The racism never stops at the HQ. Sammiches?? What do you mean sammiches?!?

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:35 PM (LpbKr)

402

Jane D'oh: If this helps - I'ved worked for years with a guy who was in the Marine Corps. We chat quite a bit. I think he opened up to me when I mentioned I had a cousin who was a leatherneck who was killed during the Tet Offensive and my aunt never got over it.

He was also in Vietnam in '68 - saw buddies die and came back and was spit on at SF airport by hippies. He had PTSD, trouble sleeping, adjusting, getting a job. The late '60's and early '70's were rough for him.

Now? He's close to retiring. He's been married since 1976 and has 3 kids, all married. He proudly showed me pictures of his second grandchild the other day. He eventually obtained his college degree, going to night school, married, got a good job - and he has had a happy life.

His time in Vietnam is still a painful memory. He visits the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial annually on Memorial Day and gets together with old buddies - but now it's a distant one and less painful because he now has many good memories to look back on and cherish.

Time did heal wounds in his case - I hope the same will be true for your son.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 22, 2013 08:35 PM (R3gO3)

403 397 Good evening, Horde. I knit a hat today, pic in Twitter. Then I drank beer with my friend. Hooray, beer!

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 23, 2013 12:32 AM (N/cFh)

Darnit, now I have to figure out how to do twitter again....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:35 PM (T1005)

404 Missed the east coast crew but just in time for the west coast crew Posted by: rich@gmu -------------------- You missed the east coast lightweights.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:36 PM (4Mv1T)

405 Hi CarolT. They weren't in the same car and that was probably considered enough in those days. This was before VBIEDs and such. Talking out of my nether regions, but I drove by a Holiday Inn once.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 08:36 PM (1Y+hH)

406 All NC morons seem to be on board so far.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 12:27 AM (aDwsi)

I love this plan! Let's do this!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 22, 2013 08:36 PM (yh0zB)

407 We're stealing beer trucks, now? ...this cannot end well. Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 12:32 AM hush...we're well armed

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 08:36 PM (JMmQ9)

408 Of all of the things about the assassination, the thing that most puzzles me is why would Oswald buy a mail order rifle when, in the State of Texas, you could just walk in to any gun store and buy whatever you liked, pay the cash, walk out.

It does not make sense, but Oswald was not normal.

Neither was his mother, if you watched any reports today. His mother could not have cared one whit about the President, all she cared about was how the assassination made her look.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2013 08:37 PM (/nZv0)

409 66 VW with cracked block and no reverse. I passed. Posted by: Tobacco Road ----------------------------------- Probably better that no liquor was involved in that caper. Anyhow there was a fairly animated discussion in here about Tillis last night. One thing led to another, and Operation Dark Night was hatched.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:37 PM (aDwsi)

410 I cannot condone stealing anything less than a Beer Truck and an Ambulance.

...why spend time in jail for being boring?

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 08:38 PM (lq3Ak)

411 Hey does anyone know if backwards boy got the job?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 22, 2013 08:38 PM (RZ8pf)

412 Cthulhu, Twitter.com/GingyNorth - it isn't locked. Scroll down a ways, it was earlier today.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 22, 2013 08:39 PM (N/cFh)

413 Like I keep trying to 'splain to TheMissusÂ™: 80,000 lbs @ 70 mph always has the right of way. It's physics, people. Do the math. Posted by: AltonJackson at November 23, 2013 12:30 AM (JMmQ9) Can you explain that to 99.9 percent of bike messengers in DC please? I don't care if I am driving a Prius...your 110 lb lanky ass is going down.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:39 PM (LpbKr)

414 Anyhow there was a fairly animated discussion in here about Tillis last night. One thing led to another, and Operation Dark Night was hatched. Posted by: Mike Hammer --------------------------------------- I can tell you that the local 2A community is not too jazzed about Tillis. And with Rove backing him, what could go wrong?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:40 PM (4Mv1T)

415 414 Hey does anyone know if backwards boy got the job? Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 23, 2013 12:38 AM (RZ8pf) YEP!!!

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:40 PM (LpbKr)

416 401 TR - Moonless night. Fast car. Back roads. We kidnap Trey Gowdy, return to NC, ply him with whisky, run him against Richard Burr.

All NC morons seem to be on board so far.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
-------------------------------

I'm just trying to imagine what it would be like to have a real senator. Imagine the possibilities if we had a red senator who actually voted during senate votes.

BTW, and absolutely the truth. I was also asked to drive the getaway car for a prospective bank heist in high school.

The car?

66 VW with cracked block and no reverse.

I passed.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 12:33 AM (4Mv1T)

Thus, again, demonstrating how one can have "smarts" without a college degree (or "stupids" with....).

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:40 PM (T1005)

417 You missed the east coast lightweights. Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 12:36 AM (4Mv1T) Pussies.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:41 PM (LpbKr)

418 My chili: 1 can navy beans, 1 can black beans, i can chili beans, tomato paste & however much water you want, chopped onion, diced tomatoes, 1 lb ground beef (cooked, of course), 1 envelope Hidden Valley Ranch dressing. I serve over rice.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at November 22, 2013 08:41 PM (DoZD+)

419 Navy - For one thing, mail-order mil surplus was really cheap..., *really* cheap. $19.95, including the scope. Also, he bought it under a false name.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:42 PM (aDwsi)

420 why would Oswald buy a mail order rifle when, in the State of Texas, you could just walk in to any gun store and buy whatever you liked, pay the cash, walk out.

Probably cheaper than local. Commies are very very cheap when they're spending their own money.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 08:42 PM (Xlbr8)

421 Got here late cuz I was out drinking with co-workers. Pants off, ears open.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2013 08:42 PM (AO9UG)

422 415 Cthulhu, Twitter.com/GingyNorth - it isn't locked. Scroll down a ways, it was earlier today.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 23, 2013 12:39 AM (N/cFh)

Did you do all that in one day?!?!?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 08:42 PM (T1005)

423 414 Hey does anyone know if backwards boy got the job? Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 23, 2013 12:38 AM (RZ8pf) YEP!!! Posted by: RWC ------------------------------- I can barely hold my eyelids open, but with news like that, I'll pour another one. Hallelujah.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:43 PM (4Mv1T)

424 You missed the east coast lightweights.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 12:36 AM (4Mv1T)

***

TR-

Good to see you. Cracking open a beer for you. Cheers.

In re: school...what can I say. This is my second go around-thankfully doing better.

Posted by: rich@gmu at November 22, 2013 08:44 PM (ga+7c)

425 I can tell you that the local 2A community is not too jazzed about Tillis. And with Rove backing him, what could go wrong? Posted by: Tobacco Road ------------- Yeah, I'm not happy about him at all..., but I am betting that he's going to be the one.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:44 PM (aDwsi)

426 That doesn't require math or academic credentials. Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 12:33 AM You're right; it just requires a little common sense and a passing familiarity with the laws of physics. Thanks for "getting it"

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 08:44 PM (JMmQ9)

427 I told my kid, be nice, be nice. Finally I told him, whip his ass and get it done. Soon as he had permission, he got an attitude, and the other kid backed down.
2nd kid just whipped his nemesis' ass and got it over with.

Posted by: Marybel at November 22, 2013 08:44 PM (k0wRv)

428 414 Hey does anyone know if backwards boy got the job? Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 23, 2013 12:38 AM (RZ8pf) YEP!!! Posted by: RWC ------------------------------- I can barely hold my eyelids open, but with news like that, I'll pour another one. Hallelujah. Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 12:43 AM (4Mv1T) Great news! Now we can ask him for money.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2013 08:44 PM (AO9UG)

429 Scroll down a ways, it was earlier today.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 23, 2013 12:39 AM (N/cFh)

That's a cunning hat.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 22, 2013 08:44 PM (yh0zB)

430 ///66 VW with cracked block and no reverse.///

1300cc's of screaming getaway power...

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 08:45 PM (Xlbr8)

431 425 Did you do all that in one day?!?!? Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2013 12:42 AM (T1005) About 85%. The whole hat is about 9 hours for me, but knitting really fast is like my superpower. Color work takes a little longer.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 22, 2013 08:45 PM (N/cFh)

432 I've found that not having a college degree, "frees" me for other endeavors, such as stealing ambulances and leading beer trucks to college campuses.

...either that or owning a business and paying taxes.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 08:45 PM (lq3Ak)

433 I still have CNN on and RFK Jr. has something seriously wrong wit him. I think he might be sick with a disease or something.

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 08:45 PM (z4WKX)

434 I can barely hold my eyelids open, but with news like that, I'll pour another one. Hallelujah. Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 12:43 AM (4Mv1T) He learned of it when BwG was sleeping and had the fortitude to let her sleep instead of jumping up and down on the bed.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:45 PM (LpbKr)

435 "you could just walk in to any gun store and buy whatever you liked, pay the cash, walk out. Probably cheaper than local." [mailorder] I have a vague memory that he paid about $12 plus a buck or two shipping.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 08:46 PM (1Y+hH)

436 And now I'm going to do what I said I was going to do. I'm going to bed.

Later roonz and roonettez. Fear no evil.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 22, 2013 08:46 PM (yh0zB)

437 1300cc's of screaming getaway power... Posted by: Purp ------------------ "You've just been passed by 40 H.P."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:47 PM (aDwsi)

438 http://www.collegedropoutshalloffame.com/

Posted by: soggybottom at November 22, 2013 08:48 PM (+60zx)

439 'Nigh GGE. So, was Moo Moo bounced?

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:48 PM (LpbKr)

440 I'm out. Sleep well kids.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:48 PM (aDwsi)

441 Tired Gingy is tired. Night, all -at the risk of sounding like an East Coast Lightweight :p

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 22, 2013 08:48 PM (N/cFh)

442 ///66 VW with cracked block and no reverse./// 1300cc's of screaming getaway power... Posted by: Purp ------------------------------ Shhhh. The VW was mine.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:49 PM (4Mv1T)

443 Got here late cuz I was out drinking with co-workers.

Pants off, ears open.

Posted by: eman at November 23, 2013 12:42 AM (AO9UG)

Cheers. The drinking will commence soon.

congratulations to backwards boy.

Posted by: rich@gmu at November 22, 2013 08:49 PM (ga+7c)

444 Anyone tried watching that Magic City series?

I'm about 4 episodes into Season 1 and its losing me. The pace is waaaay too slow.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 08:49 PM (Xlbr8)

445 So was Moo Moo bounced? Posted by: RWC at November 23, 2013 12:48 AM (LpbKr) No, the library closed.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 08:50 PM (1Y+hH)

446 WTF? My blog feed Twitter disappeared! Not even a suspension noticeÂ… it just isn't there any more.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 08:50 PM (Vk2pI)

447 "still have CNN on and RFK Jr. has something seriously wrong wit him. I think he might be sick with a disease or something."Posted by: Carol T at November 23, 2013 12:45 AM (z4WKX)

He's retarded. He's "Climate-Change" retarded on top of being low-I.Q. retarded.

...the guy is riding on the currency of the "Camelot Family" and just doesn't give a shit anymore.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 08:50 PM (lq3Ak)

448 392 My mom always called them "toasted cheese sandwiches" Could it have been a regional expression? He would answer to "Hi!" of to any loud cry Such as "Fry me!" or "Fritter my wig!" To "what you my call em" or "what was his name" But especially "thing um a jig" While, to those who preferred a more forceible word He had different names from these His intimate friends called him "Candle Ends" And his enemies "Toasted Cheese"

Posted by: Just the place for a snark! at November 22, 2013 08:50 PM (U82Km)

449 So, was Moo Moo bounced? Posted by: RWC ---------------------------- One could ONLY hope. For such an otherwise well read and intelligent human being, he is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:50 PM (4Mv1T)

450 "Commies are very very cheap when they're spending their own money."

True, that. As opposed to spending OPM.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2013 08:50 PM (/nZv0)

451 Good night/morning, all.

Currently playing: Fairport Convention, the best '60s band you've never heard of.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 08:50 PM (n/+FT)

452 'Night MH.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:51 PM (LpbKr)

453 Oh I am glad to hear that about BB.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 22, 2013 08:51 PM (RZ8pf)

454 Night Hammer.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:52 PM (4Mv1T)

455 One could ONLY hope. For such an otherwise well read and intelligent human being, he is a fucking idiot. Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 12:50 AM (4Mv1T) I don't know how long he was here but when I first noticed he was an ass, then got kind of normal, then the other night he went full 180.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:53 PM (LpbKr)

456 Moo Moo is at least the "better form of Troll", for whom you've "wished"... lol.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 08:53 PM (lq3Ak)

457 433 1300cc's of screaming getaway power... There's a Godzilla movie in which our hero, driving a VW Fastback, is being chased by bad guys in little Datsuns. He sees them in the rear view mirror, thinks "no problem!", punches it and gets away. Cracks me up every time.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 22, 2013 08:53 PM (U82Km)

458 "My blog feed Twitter disappeared! Not even a suspension noticeÂ… it just isn't there any more. " MOOhuhahahahAHAHAHA!!!

Posted by: www.healthcare.gov at November 22, 2013 08:54 PM (1Y+hH)

459 448 So was Moo Moo bounced? Posted by: RWC at November 23, 2013 12:48 AM (LpbKr) No, the library closed. Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 23, 2013 12:50 AM (1Y+hH) Just hide in the 'silent reading' area until they close. Or so I am told.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:54 PM (LpbKr)

460 When Moo Moo went "Full Abortion", I thought he'd be bounced. He didn't, however, fall into the name-calling claptrap that many fall into.

...He's smarter than the average Troll.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 08:55 PM (lq3Ak)

461 I don't know how long he was here but when I first noticed he was an ass, then got kind of normal, then the other night he went full 180. Posted by: RWC ------------------------------- He is decidedly "Fis-Con". Which is good, of course. Beyond that, he has absolutely no moral compass. He could happily work on the current White House staff if he didn't think it would cost him so many tax dollars.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 08:56 PM (4Mv1T)

462 So, who has seen Red 2? Bought it last week and the cable box took a dump. Got another one and it's still on there. Is it worth a watch?

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:57 PM (LpbKr)

463 Currently playing: Fairport Convention, the best '60s band you've never heard of.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 12:50 AM (n/+FT)

With Sandy Denny singing?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 08:57 PM (60Q+L)

464 Mr. Moo Moo is not a troll, despite his exceedingly silly name.

C'mon people, "troll" is swiftly becoming the "racist" of AoSHQ. Let's not toss the word around lightly, and pin it on people who merely are persisting in holding/defending opinions we disagree with.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 08:59 PM (n/+FT)

465 Oh well, at least I got a shout-out from "The Other McCain"

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 08:59 PM (Vk2pI)

466 Like I keep trying to 'splain to TheMissusÂ™: 80,000 lbs @ 70 mph always has the right of way. It's physics, people. Do the math. Posted by: AltonJackson at November 23, 2013 12:30 AM (JMmQ9) Can you explain that to 99.9 percent of bike messengers in DC please? I don't care if I am driving a Prius...your 110 lb lanky ass is going down. Posted by: RWC at November 23, 2013 12:39 AM It's too drunk to extrapolate, but the impact of an 80,000 lb tractor-trailer at 70 mph is about eleventy-seven times more than a Prius at it's top speed of 37.6 MPH (statistics are made up, just like most ststistics). To your point, if you're a bicycle messenger, even a Prius (at it's maximum speed) can ruin your day. QED!!!

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 08:59 PM (JMmQ9)

467 the AT article linked at the marketing link was pretty good...damn it bar closing is in a hour. gotta make this fast.

Posted by: rich@gmu at November 22, 2013 08:59 PM (ga+7c)

468 465 So, who has seen Red 2? Bought it last week and the cable box took a dump. Got another one and it's still on there. Is it worth a watch? I liked it, but I have no taste.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 22, 2013 08:59 PM (U82Km)

469 So, who has seen Red 2? Bought it last week and the cable box took a dump. Got another one and it's still on there. Is it worth a watch? Posted by: RWC ------------------------------ From all reports it is even better than the first, which i watched twice, and would watch repeatedly were it not for a sequel. I am waiting for it to come out on cable "on demand".

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 09:00 PM (4Mv1T)

470 He is decidedly "Fis-Con". Which is good, of course. Beyond that, he has absolutely no moral compass. He could happily work on the current White House staff if he didn't think it would cost him so many tax dollars. Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 12:56 AM (4Mv1T) So it's cool if Gosnell keeps his job as long as i doesn't hit his pocket?

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 09:00 PM (LpbKr)

471 >>>With Sandy Denny singing?

Oh yeah. And Judy Dyble in the early years. The first album after her departure (Full House) is also great. Basically, as long as Richard Thompson is playing guitar in the band, they're utterly riveting. The moment he leaves, I follow him to his solo career with Linda (and later on, without).

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:00 PM (n/+FT)

472 Unfortunately he's fiscon to the point of displaying sociopathic characteristics.

Posted by: www.healthcare.gov at November 22, 2013 09:00 PM (1Y+hH)

473 The earliest fastbacks were 1500cc w/dual carbs IIRC. Still would have been low performance single port heads though.

In 1968 the T3's became the first mass production car ever sold with EFI. I completely rebuilt one of subsequent 1600cc dual port T3 EFI bug engines years ago. The Bosch EFI module was all old school discrete electronics. No microprocessors back then.

Harder rebuild than a normal bug engine due to the different fan housing and mess'o sensors for EFI.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 09:01 PM (Xlbr8)

474 440 1300cc's of screaming getaway power...

Posted by: Purp
------------------

"You've just been passed by 40 H.P."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 12:47 AM (aDwsi)

Reminds me of one time I was headed on I-5 through the Central Valley in my little 1986 Nissan Sentra coupe, that I had bought new so stripped it didn't even have a radio -- for $4,709 [tax, transportation, license included].

It was around 3 am, there was nobody else on the road, so I'd essentially just floored it and kept it there....if you give it long enough with a tailwind, you can actually push the speedometer into three digits. And I see, way up in front of me, a pair of taillights. As the minutes clicked by, I slowly....slowly....slowly crept up on the other vehicle, then signaled and moved into the passing lane. We were both doing over 100 mph, and I was doing about 1 mph more than he was -- our relative speeds had me passing him at a slow walk.

Since I was coming up on him, I could see that he was in a recent-model Porsche -- but all he could see was headlights. Then, as I slowly, slowly crept past, he turned his head to glance at my car -- and his expression plainly said, "WTF???"

Then I crept on ahead a ways and moved back into the right lane.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 09:01 PM (T1005)

475 I would call his "College Bullshit" into "Kangaroo Court", however.

As a guy who never stepped foot onto a college campus, but to drink with his buddies, I was/am doing better than all of them at age forty-two.

...and I don't owe them a dime.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 09:01 PM (lq3Ak)

476 Cracks me up every time.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 23, 2013 12:53 AM (U82Km)

Well the fastbacks had the 1500 engine (early Type III), later supplanted by the 1600, and then the 1600 dual-port with fuel injection, so they did actually have quite a bit more oomph than the Beetles of the day.

The 1300 was the first adaptation of the 1500 "suitcase" engine to the upright design used in the Beetle. One year only, and then Beetles were 1500s for a year or two, and then 1600s.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 09:02 PM (60Q+L)

477 451 392 My mom always called them "toasted cheese sandwiches"
Could it have been a regional expression?

He would answer to "Hi!" of to any loud cry
Such as "Fry me!" or "Fritter my wig!"
To "what you my call em" or "what was his name"
But especially "thing um a jig"

While, to those who preferred a more forceible word
He had different names from these
His intimate friends called him "Candle Ends"
And his enemies "Toasted Cheese"

Posted by: Just the place for a snark! at November 23, 2013 12:50 AM (U82Km)

Could you, perhaps, tell me that twice more?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 09:03 PM (T1005)

478 de-sock And no, he's not a conventional troll, that's a different animal.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 22, 2013 09:03 PM (1Y+hH)

479 From all reports it is even better than the first, which i watched twice, and would watch repeatedly were it not for a sequel. I am waiting for it to come out on cable "on demand". Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 01:00 AM (4Mv1T) It should be available 'on demand' i think. The only reason I knew about Red was the HQ. did they even advertise that movie? I really have no recollection of ads for it.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 09:03 PM (LpbKr)

480 Moo Moo is a fiscon in the sense that he would dig the gold teeth out of corpses. Call it virtue if you will.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2013 09:04 PM (/nZv0)

481 Believe it or not, there are a number of people who are definably conservative but are also in favor of permitting abortion. Including Ace, for that matter.

Unless you're going to read the host of the freakin' blog out of the conservative movement, it makes no sense to start pining for and/or predicting the banning of commenters like Mr. Moo Moo simply because they're not pro-life themselves.

And I say this as someone who's pretty strongly anti-abortion.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:04 PM (n/+FT)

482 Purp: what are you re-building and: are you going to put a blower on it?

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 09:04 PM (JMmQ9)

483 "So it's cool if Gosnell keeps his job as long as i doesn't hit his pocket"Posted by: RWC at November 23, 2013 01:00 AM (LpbKr)

He's claimed as much. He just doesn't care. He's gone as far as to claim that "Down's Syndrome Children" are mere casualties. "The Woman's Choice" is All and Everything.

...Fathers be damned.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 09:05 PM (lq3Ak)

484 Is Moo Moo gone? Because that Troll has a lot to learn about life.

Hard Knocks beats Figures ten-of-ten times.

Posted by: Slapweasel

Not really a troll, imho.

Just really in love with conspicuous gainsaying. Not uncommon here.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 09:05 PM (KVY+w)

485 Mr. Moo Moo is not a troll, despite his exceedingly silly name.
He reminds me of radio people like Neal Boortz, Jerry Doyle, Larry Kudlow and John Batchelor. Strictly financial. Skip the so-con.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 22, 2013 09:06 PM (mVyen)

486 Also, the ONT should be about pleasant vibes, right? All this talk about banning people and calling them trolls and reading them out of the in-crowd is just gauche in this thread, c'mon.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:06 PM (n/+FT)

487 What's up, Duck?

Posted by: fluffy at November 22, 2013 09:06 PM (Ua6T/)

488 Juan Williams son is a conservative. Ouch, that has to hurt.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 09:06 PM (LpbKr)

489 My first car was a 1983 Nissan Sentra. Bought it used in 1986. Even drove it x-country, overheated going up a "hill" in Utah. I wasn't worried since I knew what was going on. I pulled over, waited for it cool down, and then put more coolant in. Thing was a trooper until I wrecked it real good. After the interim '78 Ford Granada V8 (yup, grampa was too old to drive), I got a 1996 Saturn SL2. Loved that car. Unfortunately, I wrecked that one too, though not nearly as bad as the Sentra. Now I have a 2005.5 Audi A4. It's ok. Only 19,000 mph but I'm really considering a 2014 Mazda 3.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2013 09:07 PM (6h2wp)

490 Proof that colleges often to more harm than good: http://tinyurl.com/mtlxm6w

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 09:07 PM (Vk2pI)

491 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 01:04 AM (n/+FT)

I wouldn't get too worked up about it. Six months from now 99% of these people will be gone. Then it will be some other "regulars" job to dish out the troll designation.

Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 09:08 PM (nkPV9)

492 Moo Moo is a fiscon in the sense that he would dig the gold teeth out of corpses. Call it virtue if you will. Posted by: navybrat --------------------------------- This is accurate. And Jeff B. I don't think Ace is this sociopathic.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 09:08 PM (4Mv1T)

493 And I say this as someone who's pretty strongly anti-abortion. Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 01:04 AM (n/+FT) I don't think that's why you are seeing these comments. There was a thread that ran through his comments indicating that he didn't care when life began, he just didn't want babies to cost him money. In other words, you could pay him to kill. That's the sociopathic part.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 22, 2013 09:09 PM (1Y+hH)

494 So nobody seems to have spotted the scene spliced in from the Passion of the Christ. It's very early inÂ—the upraised hand with the hammer, the pounding of the spike into Christ's hand, and the raindrop onto Golgotha (0:45-59). Curious.

Posted by: Bill Burns at November 22, 2013 09:09 PM (ontdz)

495 Looking forward to plenty of 'stuffing' next Thursday! Mmmm -mmm- mmmm.

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 22, 2013 09:09 PM (q4QfH)

496

Ahh, the irony...

Watching Hannity's millennial group being quizzed. Juan William's son is a conservative. Makes a helluva lot of sense more than his old man. Of course he's not getting paid to be a token liberal on FN and given talking points by Pres Jarrett.

Posted by: The Farmer at November 22, 2013 09:10 PM (eBupg)

497 >>>He reminds me of radio people like Neal Boortz, Jerry Doyle, Larry Kudlow and John Batchelor. Strictly financial. Skip the so-con.

Perhaps so. And when I think of guys like that, I think "this guy should be on our team," I don't think "let's kick this guy out of the tent." I'm honestly puzzled by anyone who has a different reaction, actually.

I'm not going to suddenly change my views on the issue to flatter them, but nor am I going to say that we can't be part of a working coalition (with compromises on both sides) in order to accomplish a larger goal like, say, taking back the Senate or preventing President Hillary. I wouldn't even do that if people who held my pro-life position were a super-strong absolute majority, much less the minority/plurality we currently are.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:10 PM (n/+FT)

498 Happy-ish Friday night, all y'alls, with or without balls, stands or falls, texts or calls, coats or shawls, Charles or de Gaulles ... Am 2nd coating the paint remover. Works better when not 0% humidity nor 100 degrees outside ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 09:10 PM (jdRXP)

499 Also, the ONT should be about pleasant vibes, right? All this talk about banning people and calling them trolls and reading them out of the in-crowd is just gauche in this thread, c'mon. Posted by: Jeff B. ------------------------------ He single-handedly caused a shitstorm in the ONT a couple of nights ago. It was damn ugly business.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 09:10 PM (4Mv1T)

500 484 Believe it or not, there are a number of people who are definably conservative but are also in favor of permitting abortion. Including Ace, for that matter. Unless you're going to read the host of the freakin' blog out of the conservative movement, it makes no sense to start pining for and/or predicting the banning of commenters like Mr. Moo Moo simply because they're not pro-life themselves. And I say this as someone who's pretty strongly anti-abortion. Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 01:04 AM (n/+FT) Not starting shit Jeff B, but don't bring up,the blog owners views to defend anything. That's CJ territory. I have never seen ace feel disrespected by anothers views.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 09:12 PM (LpbKr)

501 "Not really a troll, imho.

Just really in love with conspicuous gainsaying. Not uncommon here."Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2013 01:05 AM (KVY+w)

You're correct. My opinion should be revised. I've labeled him a "Troll", but he keeps a calm tone and his opinions are plausibly defended.

I'd rather not see it on the ONT, but what "sway" do I have?

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 09:13 PM (lq3Ak)

502 Moo Moo is a fiscon in the sense that he would dig the gold teeth out of corpses.

In private, when not performing for an audience, that's pretty much the way most leftists I know act. Their sense of charity, in the sense of actually reaching into pocket, usually extends only to YOUR money not theirs.

I have some leftist modeling acquaintances who try to beat everyone out of nickles and dimes, and if they can mail order some airplane model part from China for a buck cheaper than buying it local, China gets the business...

...and then they got the nerve to walk into local hobby shops looking for advise and support on their Chinese junk when it doesn't work right.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 09:13 PM (Xlbr8)

503 >>>He single-handedly caused a shitstorm in the ONT a couple of nights ago. It was damn ugly business.

Well obviously I missed this. I assume it was about abortion? I was just reacting to what he wrote in this thread, which was somewhat pointed but not even seemingly that provocative. Maybe I'm missing some context.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:13 PM (n/+FT)

504 He single-handedly caused a shitstorm in the ONT a couple of nights ago. It was damn ugly business.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 01:10 AM

It wasn't just a shit storm. It was a typhoon of shit. A shitticane.

Posted by: mr lahey at November 22, 2013 09:13 PM (9gNQd)

505 TV stuff needs to work (it spazzes out when trying to go to HGTV) but digging the Xbox so far. Facial recognition works a little too well

Posted by: The Dude at November 22, 2013 09:14 PM (vJdyz)

506 Moo Moo's fiscal con act is just that, an act. Whenever you mention actually reducing taxes or cutting spending he dismisses the idea with a wave of his hand and a condescending remarking about how it ain't ever gonna happen. However, things like abortion and gun control light his fire and and no time constraints are ever mentioned. Read his comments carefully and you will see the assumptions and prejudices powering his remarks. He is a troll. Erg is a more honest troll than he.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2013 09:14 PM (AO9UG)

507 who's f'n with Mr.Moo.Moo? IIRC, Mr.MooMoo is a solid member of Teh Horde; adding "spice" to the conversation.

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 09:14 PM (JMmQ9)

508 I think I'm particularly sensitive to seeing people labelled as "trolls," because...well, you know.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:16 PM (n/+FT)

509 Moo is a well camouflaged moby

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 09:16 PM (Xlbr8)

510 484 Believe it or not, there are a number of people who are definably conservative but are also in favor of permitting abortion. Including Ace, for that matter.

Unless you're going to read the host of the freakin' blog out of the conservative movement, it makes no sense to start pining for and/or predicting the banning of commenters like Mr. Moo Moo simply because they're not pro-life themselves.

And I say this as someone who's pretty strongly anti-abortion.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 01:04 AM (n/+FT)

Moo squared is annoying, but not because of his positions -- he's annoying because of their extreme shallowness. He's fiscally conservative....because it might cost him money. Not because it is the antithesis of a limited government of enumerated powers; not because running a deficit saddles the taxpayers of the future with real life/death debts for frivolous special-interest pandering today; not because the political process funnels resources in ways that further the political class' interests over those of the citizenry; not for any considered reason at all.....he argues everything like he got a pamphlet on the subject at a rally this morning, glanced over it, and thought, "THAT'S IT!!!!"

It's probably not a bad thing that he comes here, even if we keep rolling our eyes and doing facepalms -- he may even learn something over time. But coming in with his own half-assed opinion like it was brought down from the mountain on stone tablets is an act that gets old very rapidly.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 09:17 PM (T1005)

511 I have been sick or in so much pain all week. Good night!

Posted by: Carol T at November 22, 2013 09:17 PM (z4WKX)

512 who's f'n with Mr.Moo.Moo? IIRC, Mr.MooMoo is a solid member of Teh Horde; adding "spice" to the conversation. Posted by: AltonJackson ------------------------------ AJ, you must have missed Typhoon CowCow two nights ago.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 09:17 PM (4Mv1T)

513 Search: ban " to ban coal fired power plants"

Search: banning " it makes no sense to start pining for and/or predicting the banning of commenters like Mr. Moo Moo"
Posted by: Jeff B.

"Also, the ONT should be about pleasant vibes, right? All this talk about banning people and calling them trolls and reading them out of the in-crowd is just gauche in this thread, c'mon.
Posted by: Jeff B. "

You're the only one who has mention banning.

When did you first have this fear?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 09:18 PM (KVY+w)

514 Facial recognition works a little too well

Seems fine to us

Posted by: The NSA at November 22, 2013 09:18 PM (Xlbr8)

515 I have been sick or in so much pain all week. Good night! Posted by: Carol T at November 23, 2013 01:17 AM (z4WKX) Good night, Carol T and be well.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2013 09:19 PM (AO9UG)

516 He single-handedly caused a shitstorm in the ONT a couple of nights ago. It was damn ugly business. Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 01:10 AM What night,TR? I'm here every night. We're talking about Mr.Moo.Moo, right?

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 09:19 PM (JMmQ9)

517 He really brought the pain upon himself with the Abortion Stance, but he's been AoSHQ - Compliant with his rhetoric.

As far as I'm concerned, Moo Moo's a Hard-Core Libertarian Dick.

...welcome to the club.

...dick.

BTW... Hi, JeffB!

JeffB belongs here. Period. We might as well make room for Moo Moo.

...right?

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 09:19 PM (lq3Ak)

518 I think I'm particularly sensitive to seeing people labelled as "trolls," because...well, you know. Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 01:16 AM (n/+FT) orge? gremlin? thing that goes bump in the night?

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 09:20 PM (jdRXP)

519 #501: The problem I have with fiscal con/social liberal types is, they're happy to jump ship and make common cause with leftists any time social issues come up. And at those times, they become indistinguishable from full-on stinkin' commies; their arguments on social issues are all about the ad hominem.

You disagree with them from the left on anything, and they're all about making serious, logical arguments with pretty impressive eloquence. Disagree with them from the right, though, and you're a racist sexist homophobic bigot whose views have no place in any semblance of polite society.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 09:20 PM (ghENB)

520 >>>You're the only one who has mention banning.

The hell I was. I was reacting to #448 and #463. Sure, they didn't use that exact word, but that's what they were talking about.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:21 PM (n/+FT)

521 It wasn't just a shit storm. It was a typhoon of shit. A shitticane.

Posted by: mr lahey at November 23, 2013 01:13 AM (9gNQd)

A blizzard shit.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 22, 2013 09:21 PM (FMbng)

522 In the middle of an episode on the so-called Science Channel of "How the Earth Works", where the "97% of all scientists..." idiocy was again invoked to explain why "something is wrong" about the way glaciers are melting today.

wattsupwiththat.com has busted that one into smithereens (whatever they are), just today, for the nth time.

Since this same episode catalogs a litany of horribles about what a new Ice Age would do to all of humanity, it's...odd...that they think retarding a new Ice Age would be a Bad Thing.

I will continue watching...

Posted by: Hari Seldon at November 22, 2013 09:22 PM (iD/v0)

523 orge?
gremlin?
thing that goes bump in the night?

Posted by: Adriane

No need to grant them titles. Just point to their obvious stupidity, and laugh.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 09:22 PM (KVY+w)

524 What night,TR? I'm here every night. We're talking about Mr.Moo.Moo, right? Posted by: AltonJackson ----------------------------- AJ, you must have missed a night.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 09:23 PM (4Mv1T)

525

Neither was his mother, if you watched any reports today. His mother could not have cared one whit about the President, all she cared about was how the assassination made her look.

Posted by: navybrat at November 23, 2013 12:37 AM

She was a twisted beatch from what I've seen today. On the day of the assassination when she was being driven to see her son she was bitching about his wife would get more attention out of it than her. Always wanted money for interviews over the years.

Posted by: The Farmer at November 22, 2013 09:23 PM (eBupg)

526 I saw Shit Blizzard open for the Billy Goons back in college ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 09:23 PM (jdRXP)

527 Moo Moo's stay here is up to ace and ace's minions, er, cobloggers. Moo Moo is a troll. jwest is a troll. They are not hard to recognize. I have more respect for erg. At least he doesn't pretend.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2013 09:23 PM (AO9UG)

528 Maybe I should be banned after all -- Delta Smelt just asked me to prove my RINO bona fides on Twitter and I responded by saying that if you subtracted 35 years from Susan Collins I'd be into that like a sandworm burrowing into the endless spice-filled dunes of desert planet Arrakis.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:23 PM (n/+FT)

529 511 who's f'n with Mr.Moo.Moo? IIRC, Mr.MooMoo is a solid member of Teh Horde; adding "spice" to the conversation. Posted by: AltonJackson at November 23, 2013 01:14 AM (JMmQ9) Not really. He comes in shits on the ONT then runs away.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 22, 2013 09:24 PM (BXLPR)

530 Sure, they didn't use that exact word, but that's what they were talking about.

Posted by: Jeff B.

Please, the couch.

(you're nothing if not predicable, Hefe. )

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 09:24 PM (KVY+w)

531 Posted by: The NSA at November 23, 2013 01:18 AM (Xlbr

It really is kinda creepy. I'm not signed in a and when i walk into the room, the Kinect catches my face and it's quick on asking me if I want to sign in. And though it's a little hit or miss on people (works fine with me but a friend couldn't get it to recognize him), the voice command has improved compared to the first one, though it's more rigid (more control with it on the One).

Posted by: The Dude at November 22, 2013 09:24 PM (vJdyz)

532 It wasn't just a shit storm. It was a typhoon of shit. A shitticane. Posted by: mr lahey at November 23, 2013 01:13 AM (9gNQd) That give us an idea for a movieÂ…

Posted by: SyFy channel executives at November 22, 2013 09:24 PM (Vk2pI)

533 502 Happy-ish Friday night, all y'alls, with or without balls, stands or falls, texts or calls, coats or shawls, Charles or de Gaulles ...

Am 2nd coating the paint remover.

Works better when not 0% humidity nor 100 degrees outside ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 23, 2013 01:10 AM (jdRXP)

I think it was Heinlein who had a character say something like, "seventh son of a seventh son, born under a caul"....so I looked it up.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 09:25 PM (T1005)

534 530 I saw Shit Blizzard open for the Billy Goons back in college ... Posted by: Adriane... at November 23, 2013 01:23 AM (jdRXP) Damn that was quick. ** golf clap **

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 09:25 PM (LpbKr)

535 12,500 water colors? Can you say "obsessive"?

Posted by: Auntie M at November 22, 2013 09:26 PM (AIC5Z)

536 thing that goes bump in the night? An apt description.

Posted by: fluffy at November 22, 2013 09:26 PM (Ua6T/)

537 ObamaCare is a shitnado.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2013 09:27 PM (AO9UG)

538 AJ, you must have missed Typhoon CowCow two nights ago. Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 01:17 AM I may have. I'll go back and re-read the Wednesday night ONT. Why can't we all just get along?

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 09:27 PM (JMmQ9)

539 Can somebody explain to me why early New Order concerts (1980-1983) are so compelling even though the band more or less sucks live? What is so transfixing about their live mediocrity?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:27 PM (n/+FT)

540 That give us an idea for a movieÂ…

Posted by: SyFy channel executives at November 23, 2013 01:24 AM

Shitnado! When you stare into the eye of the shitstorm, you'll get covered in shit.

Posted by: mr lahey at November 22, 2013 09:29 PM (9gNQd)

541
Moo Moo is a troll.

jwest is a troll.

They are not hard to recognize.

I have more respect for erg. At least he doesn't pretend.

Posted by: eman

Nope.

Moo, jwest, and a few (cough ) others aren't trolls. They're just in love with a role: CONTRARIAN AVENGER!

They are cons of a fashion. It's just that they have an over-whelming desire to play hall-monitor and point out our deficiencies. Repeatedly. Without fail. And in yo' face, mofo'!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 09:29 PM (KVY+w)

542
urbandictionary.com /define.php?term=moby

urbandictionary.com /define.php?term=troll

There is a difference.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 09:29 PM (Xlbr8)

543 >>> What is so transfixing about their live mediocrity? Well?!? Don't leave us hanging.

Posted by: fluffy at November 22, 2013 09:30 PM (Ua6T/)

544 93 67
@Vendetta Yeah,British Columbia

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 10:36 PM (3lxx0)

I'm an Albertan. There are at least three Albertans that I know of
here and a bunch of other Canadians. Stick around because the more
Canadians, the merrier!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 10:40 PM (MpP9p)'''

-----------------------------------

Saskatchewan. Its cold here.

Posted by: CubicleNoMore at November 22, 2013 09:30 PM (SQGJc)

545 I thought it was last night with the babies are just bacteria in their mom's womb thing.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 22, 2013 09:30 PM (RZ8pf)

546 cthulhu at November 23, 2013 01:25 AM (T1005) I was trying to say Morons and -ettes in a creative way. The rest typed itself while I was checking on the paint blistering. Period.

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 09:30 PM (jdRXP)

547 The thing that I don't see mentioned about Obamacare is how it closes off the road back to sanity. As an example, let's say it totally tanks the market for health insurance, leaving a gap of blasted desolation......doesn't everything become a "preexisting condition" at that point? Why would an insurance company tell a cancer patient, "there, there -- that's ok" after ALL policies lapse?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 09:31 PM (T1005)

548 Posted by: eman at November 23, 2013 01:23 AM (AO9UG)

Jeff B doesn't pretend, neither does Mr Moo Moo.

I'd rather read Jeff's dissent, any day, but Moo Moo does not "pretend".

I agree with Weft Cut-Loop.

Honest dissent is honest.

...Perhaps they'll prove otherwise, but I don't think so.

P.S.: I like Jeff B. He's my kind of shithead.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 09:31 PM (lq3Ak)

549 Why can't we all just get along? Posted by: AltonJackson at November 23, 2013 01:27 AM (JMmQ9 Squashed after this, but when I'm told if you give a damn about the unborn we don't need you I kind of take offense to that.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 09:31 PM (LpbKr)

550 Speaking of bacteria Obama is coming to Seattle Sunday to tie up traffic and fund raise. But mostly to tie up traffic.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 22, 2013 09:32 PM (RZ8pf)

551 I may have. I'll go back and re-read the Wednesday night ONT. Why can't we all just get along? Posted by: AltonJackson ------------------------------- I remember now. You said something about being more concerned about the bigger picture, or something. A lot of people took MooMoo's comments personally. Smart as he might be, he is a sociopath.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 22, 2013 09:32 PM (4Mv1T)

552 548 93
67

@Vendetta Yeah,British Columbia

Posted by: Brian in BC at November 22, 2013 10:36 PM (3lxx0)

I'm an Albertan. There are at least three Albertans that I know of

here and a bunch of other Canadians. Stick around because the more

Canadians, the merrier!

Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 10:40 PM (MpP9p)'''

-----------------------------------

Saskatchewan. Its cold here.

Posted by: CubicleNoMore at November 23, 2013 01:30 AM (SQGJc)

Saskatchewan??? Gesundheit!

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 09:32 PM (T1005)

553 Now pudd pudd pass.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 09:32 PM (LpbKr)

554 >>>P.S.: I like Jeff B. He's my kind of shithead.

Thanks. You're my kind of slappin' weasel, friend.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:32 PM (n/+FT)

555 Shit. Puff puff pass.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 09:33 PM (LpbKr)

556 My two best friends are a married couple with one-and-a-half-year-old twin daughters. When both the little girls come to me wanting attention, I call it a babylanche. I came up with that term because of Sharknado.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 09:33 PM (ghENB)

557 Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2013 01:29 AM (KVY+w) Seriously? jwest, for example, wants folks to pay taxes to have government health programs in the name of compassion. Later, when the costs of the above compassion is too great, he wants to snuff people who cost too much to keep alive. He's no Conservative of any kind. He is a fucking twisted monster.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2013 09:33 PM (AO9UG)

558 I'm an Albertan.
Do you have a prince in the can?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 22, 2013 09:34 PM (mVyen)

559 "Why can't we all just get along?"

Because then there would be no "in crowd" or "out crowd" or any need of lurkers.

That would seriously depress the "in crowd" What good is being in the "in crowd" if there is no "out crowd"

Also the lurkers would then feel a need to participate more because everyone would belong to the "in crowd" which again would cause harm to those who consider themselves part of the "in crowd"

You just can not dilute the pool of "in crowders"?sp without some backlash.

Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 09:34 PM (nkPV9)

560 IIRC, Mr.MooMoo is a solid member of Teh Horde; adding "spice" to the conversation. Posted by: AltonJackson at November 23, 2013 01:14 AM Not really. He comes in shits on the ONT then runs away. Posted by: Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 23, 2013 01:24 AM perhaps I misrember inncorrectly...it happens

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 09:34 PM (JMmQ9)

561 554 Speaking of bacteria Obama is coming to Seattle Sunday to tie up traffic and fund raise. But mostly to tie up traffic. Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 23, 2013 01:32 AM (RZ8pf) The country is doing so damn good he has time to fundraise before his VaCay. Racist!!!

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 09:34 PM (LpbKr)

562 We were on an episode of 'Year at the Top' but Paul Schaeffer hated us because we rocked! Exalt in the 'Shitnado Experience' in Branson!

Posted by: Shitnado at November 22, 2013 09:35 PM (q4QfH)

563

I think it was Heinlein who had a character say something like, "seventh son of a seventh son, born under a caul"....

Description of Alvin Maker in Orson Scott Card's series, begins with the book Seventh Son

Been many a year since I read that one.

Posted by: PMRich at November 22, 2013 09:36 PM (KDUNf)

564 As an example, let's say it totally tanks the market for health insurance, leaving a gap of blasted desolation

If people are paying cash, I suspect prices will collapse and normalize.

Without insurance companies to pay for $10 hospital aspirin, nobody will tolerate that kinda shit anymore.

Maybe we really do have to burn the ville to save it?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 09:36 PM (Xlbr8)

565 Seventh Son is Orson Scott Card, i think. Lazarus Long was Heinlein ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 09:37 PM (jdRXP)

566 "Thanks. You're my kind of slappin' weasel, friend."Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 01:32 AM (n/+FT)

God Bless you, brother!

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 09:37 PM (lq3Ak)

567 "Had a tree hugged knock on my door around dinner time wanting me to sign a petition about recycling batteries and light bulbs or something."

Here in Commiefornia, I get these earnest petitioners CONSTANTLY.

Fresh-faced, cheerful early 20-something young woman.

"Hi. I'm with Environment California, and we're circulating a petition to ban fracking in California. Fracking puts deadly plutonium in your drinking water, gives cute puppies cancer, causes adorable kittens to have seizures, may knock the Earth out of its orbit, and causes the heartbreak of psoriasis. Won't you sign here?"

Torque: "Nope. Sorry. And every single word of what you just said was utter bullshit down to the punctuation. I'm happy to send you home with a stack of rigorous scientific studies proving that it's bullshit."

Petition wrangler: (not missing a beat) "Oh, that's nice. I'm with Environment California, and we're circulating a petition to ban fracking in California. Fracking puts deadly plutonium in your drinking water, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum." Same spiel!

Torque: "You may not have heard what I said. I'm a big supporter of fracking. First, it doesn't do any of the evil things you claim it does. Not a one. Second, this state has a HUNDRED BILLION BUCKS in unfunded public sector union pension debt that your generation is going to have to pay. What are you making on this gig? Ten, eleven bucks an hour? You in a union? No? You aren't going to make the nut on $100B going door to door at that rate, trust me. If you value your own financial future, you better get off this green train to nowhere and get back in touch with hard realities. Including having California do everything it can to make money to pay its bills. Fracking being high on the list."

Petition wrangler: (after uncertain pause with darting eyes) "I'm with Environment California, and we're circulating a petition to ban fracking in California. Fracking puts deadly plutonium in your drinking water, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum." Lather, rinse, repeat.

I finally just wished her a nice day and shut the door in her face.

It really is like dealing with a bot. The capacity for independent thought, if it ever existed, has been completely removed from these little green groupies.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 09:37 PM (gqT4g)

568

523 #501: The problem I have with fiscal con/social liberal types is, they're happy to jump ship and make common cause with leftists any time social issues come up

Tell me about it. I got a message from a fiscal con/social liberal at the WSJ accusing me of wanting to impose the Catholic church on everyone because I'm pro-life. Oh, and I'm also a member of the Taliban.

This guy can actually sound reasonable when he talks about things like the national debt. When it comes to abortion and the Tea Party he goes insane. He actually thinks the Tea Party is funded by the Dems. I said "Oh yeah, that's why they had the IRS sicced on them."

When guys go ape shit berserk over abortion, I'm always tempted to ask them "So, how many did you pay for?"

Posted by: Donna V. at November 22, 2013 09:38 PM (R3gO3)

569 521 Slapweasel JeffB belongs here. Period. We might as well make room for Moo Moo. ...right? I feel this. Ouch.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 22, 2013 09:39 PM (FlRtG)

570 "He's no Conservative of any kind. He is a fucking twisted monster." Posted by: eman at November 23, 2013 01:33 AM (AO9UG)

Give him enough rope?

...he'll be swinging by dawn.

Let him hang himself. If you're right? It'll happen eventually.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 09:39 PM (lq3Ak)

571 >>>Well?!? Don't leave us hanging.

Dude! I'M NOT REALLY SURE MYSELF. But I have something like 100 concerts of theirs from that era and I find myself listening to them far more than any person should. The thing is, most of the songs themselves aren't even that good either. New Order always had incredible singles, and eventually became a great album band as well, but their first LP (done while they were still reeling from Ian Curtis' suicide) is 90% gormless dung, and it's those songs which compose the bulk of these shows! Oh, and also: the instruments were often out of tune, the sequencers frequently didn't work, and the band was usually drunk and surly.

I think the answer is: 1.) every setlist was different, every single night -- so no two shows are the same; 2.) they were introducing new songs on a rapid basis, and the new songs were what would be their true gems: "Procession," "Everything's Gone Green," "Leave Me Alone," "Cries And Whispers," "Temptation," etc.; 3.) they weren't afraid to sometimes do crazy things, like for example play "Everything's Gone Green" -- for only the second time ever -- as an angry 24-minute-long (!) encore designed to clear a room full of angry, belligerent Berlin drunks.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:39 PM (n/+FT)

572 Moo Moo, when we discussing whether or not the 2nd Amendment permitted folks to have cannons said people who wanted cannons wanted them so they could blow up their neighbors. He implied that people who wanted AR-15's wanted them so they could slaughter their neighbors. He is a fucking enemy. He is a con man.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2013 09:40 PM (AO9UG)

573 It wasn't just a shit storm. It was a typhoon of shit. A shitticane.

A veritable poonami.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 22, 2013 09:40 PM (JawqV)

574 Blanco Basura at November 23, 2013 01:40 AM (JawqV) : -))

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 09:42 PM (jdRXP)

575 He is fund raising for the 2014 mid terms. In Seattle. WTF? Do they really think the Democrats are threatened here?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 22, 2013 09:42 PM (RZ8pf)

576 Coming soon:

Bull Shitnado vs Bat Shitnado

Posted by: Syfy Network at November 22, 2013 09:42 PM (xKK9v)

577 perhaps I misrember inncorrectly...it happens Posted by: AltonJackson at November 23, 2013 01:34 AM (JMmQ9) He makes you question whether or not he is a troll because a couple of nights he will sound "reasonable", then the next couple of nights he shits on people. The first time I saw him, I thought he was a troll, then I thought he was mistaken, then I saw his passive aggressive shit and knew he was a troll.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 22, 2013 09:43 PM (BXLPR)

578 I'd love a 155 for the backyard. I could almost lay siege to Boca Raton from here

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 09:44 PM (Xlbr8)

579 572 523 #501: The problem I have with fiscal con/social liberal types is, they're happy to jump ship and make common cause with leftists any time social issues come up

Posted by: Donna V

Meh. I am a fisconsoclib but I haven't voted for a Dem, at any level, except neighborhood supervisor (because we really do have registered socialists (Greens) as the alternative) and the Dems can be bought by the real estate interests, which, trust me about S.F., is keeping this city from getting even worse) since 1988.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2013 09:45 PM (6h2wp)

580 "I feel this. Ouch."
Posted by: Arbalest at November 23, 2013 01:39 AM (FlRtG)

I'm talking Mitch McConnell. I like them sometimes, but I'd rather have their opinion than not.

In the Senate, it is different. On these forums, it is essential.

Mitch should be on Fox News, not Senate Minority Leader. Moo Moo should NOT be on the ONT. Jeff B should.

...degrees of disruption, I guess.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 09:45 PM (lq3Ak)

581 #572: I wouldn't mind if they argued with those of us on their right the way they argue with those on their left. But they don't. When we disagree with them from the right, they become indistinguishable from full-on hardline communists. Their eloquence on fiscal issues gives way to name-calling on social issues.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 09:46 PM (ghENB)

582 Kind of late to the discussion about college or not. I'm retired USAF enlisted and currently work maintenance at an injection molding company. Between my wages and my retirement, I do better than Mr Moo Moo's quote for median income for a college grad. And right now I'm watching a dew point meter and reading the ONT at the same time. I finished my bachelors a couple years ago but don't expect to ever get any benefit from it. It was just something I always wanted to do and the opportunity presented itself in 2010 so I signed up. I'm happy turning a wrench and learning stuff every day that affects real people and has real outcomes. Basket weaving and lesbian studies could never do that for me.

Posted by: Bill R. at November 22, 2013 09:48 PM (ZMLsL)

583 "He is a fucking enemy.

He is a con man."
Posted by: eman at November 23, 2013 01:40 AM (AO9UG)

I don't want to see him on the ONT. There's nothing I can do about this, especially when he is "merely" being semi-factually belligerent and yet presents himself in a calm fashion.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 09:48 PM (lq3Ak)

584 jwest, for example, wants folks to pay taxes to have government health programs in the name of compassion.

Posted by: eman

Principle: there is a conservative construct that would allow for public funds being used for some healthcare. AKA *city/local* taxes paying for emergency care in a discrete locality.

Right or wrong; not a national conservative problem.

MOO and others think the Federal Government can decide that.

We, me, you? don't think so. Not such a great gap there. Only one of efficiency and scale.

Taxes? Property? Authentic votership? How 'bout them?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 09:49 PM (KVY+w)

585 It doesn't take a government program to get you off your lardass and out the door a-stridin'. It doesn't take a government program for you to buy carrots instead of cookies.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2013 09:51 PM (6h2wp)

586 A lot of people took MooMoo's comments personally. Smart as he might be, he is a sociopath. Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 01:32 AM (4Mv1T) Yes, he is. He also seemed a bit elitist earlier tonight during his pantheon to the need for a college degree to make good in life.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 22, 2013 09:51 PM (1Y+hH)

587 Continued from #585... This is why I can't stand to listen to Michael Medved anymore. He's all about logic and eloquence when arguing with liberals. But if you call in and disagree with him from the right on anything, he calls you a Nazi and ends the call.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 09:53 PM (ghENB)

588 F college. Waste of time for me. Everything I needed to succeed in law school I learned in 6th grade. Then again, in 6th grade we read Asimov, Clarke, and Rand; studied game theory and probability; and learned how shitty the USSR was, esp. for Jews (I had a Jewish teacher for whom this hit home). Oh, and our world geography exam was a map of the globe -- start filling in the countries.... This was when the grading scale was A (94-100); B (87-93) C (80-86), D (74-79). There were no plusses or minuses. This was public school in Fairfax Co., Va.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2013 09:54 PM (6h2wp)

589 579 He is fund raising for the 2014 mid terms. In Seattle. WTF? Do they really think the Democrats are threatened here?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 23, 2013 01:42 r

I think the answer is that he's a malignant narcissist. Makes as much sense as anything IMO.

Posted by: The Farmer at November 22, 2013 09:55 PM (eBupg)

590 >>> But if you call in and disagree with him from the right on anything, he calls you a Nazi and ends the call. That was YOU??

Posted by: fluffy at November 22, 2013 09:55 PM (Ua6T/)

591 I hate to drop a turd in the punch bowl then leave; but, I have to go. We'll pick up any arguments I've abandoned tomorrow night tomorrow night, mi amigos

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2013 09:55 PM (JMmQ9)

592 448 The hell I was. I was reacting to #448 and #463. Sure, they didn't use that exact word, but that's what they were talking about.

448 So was Moo Moo bounced?

Posted by: RWC at November 23, 2013 12:48 AM (LpbKr)

No, the library closed.

Posted by: Meremortal

463 When Moo Moo went "Full Abortion", I thought he'd be bounced. He didn't, however, fall into the name-calling claptrap that many fall into.

...He's smarter than the average Troll.

Yeah, not seeing the banning. That is, unless you think Ace might take offense.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 09:56 PM (KVY+w)

593 I mostly think social issues should be agreed upon at a much more local level -- similar to what Muir described in The Velvet Monkeywrench.

Like minded communities with people locating with other who agree with them.

All contention is eliminated that way. People get to live as the believe.

Its a rather anarchistic approach that encourages some measure of physical location clumping.

With diametrically opposed single issue groups in the same physical spaces, there will NEVER be any harmony. Not possible. Ever. Without the physical extermination of one of the groups. They're always gonna be like two male Betas in the same tank.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 09:56 PM (Xlbr8)

594 It doesn't take a government program to get you off your lardass and out the door a-stridin'. It doesn't take a government program for you to buy carrots instead of cookies.

You got that right.

When I hit 270 I decided that I didn't want "the diabetus". Went through a shredded miniscus and plantar fasciitus, and completed a half-marathon last weekend. Got another one in January and then a third in April.

I have received no government encouragement or assistance to make this happen.

I'm still fat, though, so there is that.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 22, 2013 09:57 PM (JawqV)

595 No banning called for in my opinion, and I have a very low opinion of Moo Moo.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 22, 2013 09:57 PM (1Y+hH)

596 #594: I've never called in to his show. But I have heard him hang up on plenty of people making solid points he didn't want to answer.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 09:57 PM (ghENB)

597 Well now I'm gonna piss off Slapweasel by saying that I think we'd be hard pressed to do better than McConnell as Senate Minority Leader. I understand exactly what people dislike about him: he's a Black Hole of Charisma (but then name me a Senate leader within the past twenty years on either side who wasn't). But he is one of the cleverest procedural maneuverers around and exactly the sort of rules-guerrilla who is critical to keeping together a party with minority status. I think a lot of people frankly don't appreciate just how miserably difficult a hand he was dealt when he took over in 2006 and especially after 2008 (only forty votes!).

Denying a single GOP vote for Obamacare alone (including the Maine sisters) was a critical achievement in retrospect that was by no means as easy as it looked. Getting the majority of the Bush tax cuts made permanent, the Sequester, etc...when you have nothing but low cards to play, that's a remarkably good record. And yet most people only see "oh the GOP is always on defense!" Well duh - they're in the minority, and both parties are so polarized now that you can't get many (if any) cross-overs anymore.

I think it's a legitimate question as to what kind of MAJORITY leader he would make, but there literally isn't another plausible candidate in the GOP caucus who would make a better Minority Leader. It's not a position that is supposed to be about inspiring speeches or fiery leadership. It's about being a quietly crafty bastard.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 09:59 PM (n/+FT)

598 He also seemed a bit elitist earlier tonight during his pantheon to the need for a college degree to make good in life.

And suddenly evaporated when he got slam dunked with some real life data...

...not the first time that's happened with him.

Proof by repeated assertion is a dead giveaway for mobys.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 09:59 PM (Xlbr8)

599 550 cthulhu at November 23, 2013 01:25 AM (T1005)

I was trying to say Morons and -ettes in a creative way. The rest typed itself while I was checking on the paint blistering. Period.

Posted by: Adriane... at November 23, 2013 01:30 AM (jdRXP)

Is that anything like watching paint dry?

Which, BTW, leads into yet another pointless anecdote....

So, once upon a time, there was a guy -- William Ackerman -- who started a record label -- Windham Hill -- to make records of his music and that of like artists, which was generally new-age-y, acoustic, well-engineered, quiet and unassuming. Along the way, in the mid-'80's they thought it would be cool to produce videos that featured instrumental music from their artists along with nature-themed images -- "Water's Path", "Western Light", "Autumn Portrait, and "Winter".

In the early '90s, we became godparents....and would have the kids visit for varying periods of time. In that they were video-obsessed little creatures, we couldn't get them to sit still unless we put something on the television -- and we damned-well weren't going to let broadcast networks have their way with them.

So we'd go off and run around all day, and at night, when they demanded something to watch as they unwound and went to sleep, we'd drag out the Windham Hill videos.....but, just to keep things interesting, we didn't call them that.

We called them "The Boring Movies", and played that up. We'd put one on the DVD player and flee in sham terror, lest we conk out where we stood from its soporific influence. We had nicknames for each video -- "Watching Water Drip", "Watching Sun Move", "Watching Leaves Fall", and "Brrrr". The kids actually came to love them and even recommended that their parents acquire a set, as the relaxing images and quite nice instrumentals were restful and really did promote a nice transition into sleep.

An amusing coda happened over a decade later, when the godkids were in their teens and we were up visiting them. We were discussing this-and-that, and it turns out that he'd been an executive in Silicon Valley and had played guitar casually, but ran into people who were light-years beyond his abilities and kind of bummed him out of playing, and we casually mentioned enriching the kids with the "Boring Movies" and how fine guitar work was good for young minds.....and it turns out that he was a VP at Windham Hill when those videos were produced -- and wasn't particularly pleased with the "Boring Movies" branding. Awk-Ward.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 09:59 PM (T1005)

600 Kind of late to the discussion about college or not. I'm retired USAF enlisted and currently work maintenance at an injection molding company.
Posted by: Bill R.

Thank you for your service and please ignore our awesome profane weblodge.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 10:00 PM (KVY+w)

601

Posted by: Bill R. at November 23, 2013 01:48 AM (ZMLsL)

Prior Navy here, took the skills / knowledge from there to all of my jobs since then. Sometimes the work has been more physical than mental, others just the opposite. The only time I have done 'office' style work I took a huge pay-cut.

Like you I get to read / post while watching the process run from the control room and my pay is definitely above the values posted by Moo-Moo. If I were at those levels, pay would stop in Aug.

Still no degree, but I always think it would be nice to add one.

Posted by: PMRich at November 22, 2013 10:00 PM (KDUNf)

602 MooMoo seems to be a Average-Joe-type troll; worth arguing with, until he becomes tedious. Until then, the different opinion is worth having, and better here, where viewing the (D's? Left's?) playbook is essentially free. Simply realizing when MooMoo has retreated to game-mode is all that's necessary. Sit back and wait for his Come-To-Jesus-Moment. I think ObamaCare will be the ~~trigger~~ bill in the mail ... for him and many D's and LIV's.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 22, 2013 10:01 PM (FlRtG)

603 I've never called in to his show Just trying to be funny. I can't believe that JeffB missed my joke. Somebody better laugh, or I start singing.

Posted by: fluffy at November 22, 2013 10:01 PM (Ua6T/)

604 It doesn't take Ace or Coblogger intervention not to feed the troll, either ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 10:01 PM (jdRXP)

605 Urgh, my #601 was a response to Slapweasel's #584.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:01 PM (n/+FT)

606 George Winston was on Windham Hill. He had the album called "Autumn". His stuff, esp. his version of "Carol of the Bells" was awesome.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2013 10:02 PM (6h2wp)

607 >>>Well?!? Don't leave us hanging.

Oh ffs, I just got it.

*golf claps*

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:02 PM (n/+FT)

608 Just to repeat: the only person in this thread calling for banning is Jeff B.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 10:04 PM (KVY+w)

609 #607: For what it's worth, I did laugh. It was really funny. I just wanted to put the truth out there in case I was mistaking a serious question for a joke. Sarcasm is hard to detect in writing, after all. But, yes, I did laugh at your question.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 10:04 PM (ghENB)

610 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 01:59 AM (n/+FT) Interesting, thanks. Why is he upset enough with Tea Partiers to talk about punching them?

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 22, 2013 10:05 PM (1Y+hH)

611 *golf claps* 'Bout time.

Posted by: Ian 'Blue' Curtis at November 22, 2013 10:06 PM (Ua6T/)

612 568 As an example, let's say it totally tanks the market for health insurance, leaving a gap of blasted desolation

If people are paying cash, I suspect prices will collapse and normalize.

Without insurance companies to pay for $10 hospital aspirin, nobody will tolerate that kinda shit anymore.

Maybe we really do have to burn the ville to save it?

Posted by: Purp at November 23, 2013 01:36 AM (Xlbr

Let me be abundantly clear -- the way forward in healthcare, IMHO, is to make insurance into insurance and make price-fixing, subsidization, market interference, and blackmail illegal. We could do that today by shutting down all health insurance for expenses less than $25K, completely eliminating government regulation and control, and insisting that medical practitioners post price lists and live by them -- it'd be "tough love", but it would move us rapidly toward a sustainable, healthy, and useful system (and, BTW, if you're thinking it looks a lot like US medicine pre-1960 -- you're not mistaken). The problem is those folks currently sick.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 10:07 PM (T1005)

613 I like lots of stuff on the Windham Hill label. I haven't bought any new music in ages; not since the home repair and renovation started and the job stopped. Mark Isham's Tibet remains a favorite.

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 10:08 PM (jdRXP)

614 Yeah, I can't stand Medved anymore. I'd rather to listen to NPR. And I'd prefer dental work to that.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 10:08 PM (sdi6R)

615 >>>I mostly think social issues should be agreed upon at a much more local level -- similar to what Muir described in The Velvet Monkeywrench.

Like minded communities with people locating with other who agree with them.

All contention is eliminated that way. People get to live as the believe.

This is basically where I come down, too (although for practical purposes I do think the state-level is the only workable 'local' level - lower than that and the community entity/organization lacks legal authority to set and enforce norms).

It's true federalism, and my attitude is that unless something touches upon a Constitutional right then hello there Tenth Amendment, why I do believe you tell us what comes next. Of course this means you have to recognize the right of states to do things you disagree with: abortion, gay marriage, etc. Basically I agree with the philosophy Clarence Thomas laid out in his dissents in Raich v. Gonzales and Lawrence v. Texas: states have the right to pass and enforce stupid, self-defeating, even hatefully insulting and retrograde laws, so long as they're Constitutionally permitted...and we as citizens of those states have the right to either agitate for the laws to be changed or to vote with our feet.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:09 PM (n/+FT)

616 George Winston's Hummingbird ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcEQovoYJkc starts slow, but stay with it : -)

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 10:10 PM (jdRXP)

617 "Yeah, not seeing the banning. That is, unless you think Ace might take offense."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2013 01:56 AM (KVY+w)

Agreed.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 10:10 PM (lq3Ak)

618 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RRQypEf4I

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 10:10 PM (Xlbr8)

619 "George Winston's Hummingbird ..."

Speaking of a Hummingbird, has anyone seen or heard from Stuck on Stupid lately?

Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 10:11 PM (nkPV9)

620 >>>Why is he upset enough with Tea Partiers to talk about punching them?

He isn't. It's another embarrassing Breitbart.com phony non-story. Actually, all the cob-loggers (John E, DrewM, Gabe, etc.) are pretty brutally making fun of Breitbart -- specifically the one guy who works there who keeps doing this, Matthew Boyle -- for GETTING IT FUCKING WRONG AGAIN.

Charlie Spiering at the Washington Examiner has the definitive debunking - he got a tape copy of the entire phone call: http://t.co/lzSTp7GArU

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:12 PM (n/+FT)

621 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RRQypEf4I Admit it!!!! You just want to own one of these to blow up yer neighbors!!!!

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 10:13 PM (jdRXP)

622 Just to repeat: the only person in this thread calling for banning is Jeff B. Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2013 02:04 AM (KVY+w) We'd rather have a spanking!

Posted by: Zoot and Dingo at November 22, 2013 10:15 PM (Vk2pI)

623 Awk-Ward. Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2013 01:59 AM (T1005) Yep...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 10:16 PM (jdRXP)

624 We'd rather have a spanking! I'd rather have pie ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 10:17 PM (jdRXP)

625 weft cut-loop:

You seem to have significantly misunderstood the point I was making, but I'm pretty sure the most boring thing in the world would be an exchange where I explain my point and you say NO WAI and I say WAI and you say NO WAI DOOD and I go TOTALLY WAI etc. etc. Which is why I'm not sure why you're continuing to hammer on about it, because I've moved on to other topics.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:17 PM (n/+FT)

626 601 Well now I'm gonna piss off Slapweasel by saying that I think we'd be hard pressed to do better than McConnell as Senate Minority Leader. I understand exactly what people dislike about him: he's a Black Hole of Charisma (but then name me a Senate leader within the past twenty years on either side who wasn't). But he is one of the cleverest procedural maneuverers around and exactly the sort of rules-guerrilla who is critical to keeping together a party with minority status. I think a lot of people frankly don't appreciate just how miserably difficult a hand he was dealt when he took over in 2006 and especially after 2008 (only forty votes!).

Denying a single GOP vote for Obamacare alone (including the Maine sisters) was a critical achievement in retrospect that was by no means as easy as it looked. Getting the majority of the Bush tax cuts made permanent, the Sequester, etc...when you have nothing but low cards to play, that's a remarkably good record. And yet most people only see "oh the GOP is always on defense!" Well duh - they're in the minority, and both parties are so polarized now that you can't get many (if any) cross-overs anymore.

I think it's a legitimate question as to what kind of MAJORITY leader he would make, but there literally isn't another plausible candidate in the GOP caucus who would make a better Minority Leader. It's not a position that is supposed to be about inspiring speeches or fiery leadership. It's about being a quietly crafty bastard.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 01:59 AM (n/+FT)

You make excellent points and I'm with you about 98% of the way....until he starts shitting on people for articulating and living up to the fundamental tenets of the party. Bad-mouthing the tea-party is beltway insidership gone toxic.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 10:17 PM (T1005)

627 A little mood music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0DxBIP3wE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbKGvE8ghiY

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 10:19 PM (sdi6R)

628 We'd rather have a spanking! I'd rather have pie ... Posted by: Adriane... at November 23, 2013 02:17 AM (jdRXP) If you like your spankings or your pie, you can keep your spanking or your pieÂ…

Posted by: Barack Obama, untempted by Castle Anthrax at November 22, 2013 10:20 PM (Vk2pI)

629 "Basically I agree with the philosophy Clarence Thomas laid out in his dissents in Raich v. Gonzales and Lawrence v. Texas: states have the right to pass and enforce stupid, self-defeating, even hatefully insulting and retrograde laws, so long as they're Constitutionally permitted...and we as citizens of those states have the right to either agitate for the laws to be changed or to vote with our feet."

There was a recent interview with Scalia which was linked, in which he said he'd given a speech where he wished federal justices would be issued with a rubber stamp that said, "STUPID BUT CONSTITUTIONAL", to be used frequently.

Someone apparently actually had such a stamp cut and sent it to him.

Fess up, Horde members.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 10:21 PM (gqT4g)

630 Do you like pie?

Posted by: Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson at November 22, 2013 10:22 PM (ghENB)

631 610 George Winston was on Windham Hill. He had the album called "Autumn". His stuff, esp. his version of "Carol of the Bells" was awesome.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 23, 2013 02:02 AM (6h2wp)

I've got quite a collection of Windham Hill stuff. I like it and respect it well-enough to have shelled-out cash money for it.....but I was playing with the kids (and not subjecting them to the usual shit piped-in through the cable).

George Winston's Guaraldi recordings are awesome, and Shadowfax's WH albums were great.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 10:23 PM (T1005)

632 so ... if I look up 'spanking yer pie' in the urban dictionary, I'm not gonna need brain bleach, right? Right!?!

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 10:23 PM (jdRXP)

633 "Well now I'm gonna piss off Slapweasel by saying that I think we'd be hard pressed to do better than McConnell as Senate Minority Leader."

I'm not "pissed". If it doesn't happen, I'll be "disappointed", but he's been "Our Fierce Douchebag" on certain items. Fuck him, but, you know... -?

I'm actually more "pissed" about Enzi taking a challenge from War Cock's spawn. I don't see the necessity and the regional challenge is just odd.

You explain yourself well and that's why I'm never "pissed", but rather "nonplussed" by your opinions. Take it to heart that I actually listen to what you say. I like you because you are who you are.

...even though I think you're wrong.

God Bless you.

-Slapweasel

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 10:23 PM (lq3Ak)

634 You seem to have significantly misunderstood the point I was making, e moved on to other topics. Posted by: Jeff B. Here's the funny part: I don't care what you think. Assume a whole chain of insults here =>

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 10:24 PM (KVY+w)

635 So Mitch calls the Senate Conservative Fund, those who wish to defund obarky care, and proponents of the shutdown, and those actively working to end his Senate career, "schoolyard bullys" and maybe wants to punch them in the nose.

But none of that was aimed at anyone specific.

Very interesting Sir.

Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 10:25 PM (nkPV9)

636 Do you like pie? Posted by: Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson at November 23, 2013 02:22 AM (ghENB) Yes, it's quite tasty.

Posted by: Tamora, Queen of the Goths and Empress of Rome at November 22, 2013 10:25 PM (Vk2pI)

637 >>>You make excellent points and I'm with you about 98% of the way....until he starts shitting on people for articulating and living up to the fundamental tenets of the party. Bad-mouthing the tea-party is beltway insidership gone toxic.

If you're referring to the latest 'story' from Breitbart, see my #624. It's an outright lie, and there is widespread disbelief on Twitter now that the tape has emerged that Matt Boyle/Breitbart are refusing to back down. (My theory, as expressed on Twitter, as to why they won't apologize: they understand full well that there's a real appetite to believe in this kind of story among some conservatives, so as long as they don't actually apologize a large enough cohort of people will *want* to believe it's true and that's enough.)

McConnell did criticize the Senate Conservatives Fund, but he has every right in the world to do so. They've spent millions of dollars in ad money opposing him in his primary and endorsed his opponent, after all. He also said he thought the shutdown was a dumb idea, which he's already said a number of times. And that's it.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:26 PM (n/+FT)

638 637
"Well now I'm gonna piss off Slapweasel by saying that I think we'd be
hard pressed to do better than McConnell as Senate Minority Leader."

I'm not "pissed". If it doesn't happen, I'll be "disappointed", but he's been "Our Fierce Douchebag" on certain items. Fuck him, but, you know... -?

I'm actually more "pissed" about Enzi taking a challenge from War Cock's spawn. I don't see the necessity and the regional challenge is just odd.

You explain yourself well and that's why I'm never "pissed", but rather "nonplussed" by your opinions. Take it to heart that I actually listen to what you say. I like you because you are who you are.

...even though I think you're wrong.

God Bless you.

-Slapweasel

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 02:23 AM (lq3Ak)

Yeah, I really wish Ms. Cheney had chosen to fire on ENEMY vessels....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 10:28 PM (T1005)

639 #640: So... you like pie and not strudel?

Posted by: Dwayne at November 22, 2013 10:28 PM (ghENB)

640 "If you don't know someone from Winnipeg or Saskatchewan you aren't Canadian."

Hell I had 2 girls born in Saskatoon in my HS classes in Mississippi...aboot 1998-2002

Posted by: bill-o at November 22, 2013 10:29 PM (AWwDY)

641 If you're referring to the latest 'story' from Breitbart, see my #624. It's an outright lie, and there is widespread disbelief on Twitter now that the tape has emerged that Matt Boyle/Breitbart are refusing to back down. Posted by: Jeff B. Why are you so invested in that story?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 10:29 PM (KVY+w)

642

OK, I just got another message from the WSJ fiscal con/social lib at the WSJ. I had told him we share many political beliefs, despite our disagreement on abortion. He replied, "We do not share a political philosophy. You are a socialist." You know, because socialists like me are known to hate abortion. He went on another tirade about how I hate liberty, just like the Taliban.

I've always thought I have much, although not all, in common with libertarians. Now I understand why they are a tiny 3rd party. It's because they're assholes.

Undoubtably, they think it's because they're much smarter than anybody else, including those "socialist" socons.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 22, 2013 10:30 PM (R3gO3)

643 Continued from #643: Baw, sock fail! Apparently a quotation mark causes your sock to fall off if you don't type the whole thing out again. Good to know!

Posted by: Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson at November 22, 2013 10:30 PM (ghENB)

644 I guess that wanting to elect "true conservatives" to Senate should draw Mitch's ire. The SCA has it in for Mitch and wants to replace him with a TEA Partier.

If I was in Mitch's shoes, I would want to punch someone in the mouth too.

Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 10:32 PM (nkPV9)

645 >>>So Mitch calls the Senate Conservative Fund, those who wish to defund obarky care, and proponents of the shutdown, and those actively working to end his Senate career, "schoolyard bullys" and maybe wants to punch them in the nose.

Just so I understand this: are you saying that if a group declares itself opposed to you, spends millions of dollars seeking to unseat you, endorses your opponent, and criticizes you at every opportunity (often in the most ridiculous terms, as in today when the SCF blamed McConnell for Harry Reid 'going nuclear'), that...you're not allowed punch back at them? You're just supposed to let them run roughshod over you, because...why? Because they're a Washington insider group run by Jim DeMint's former Chief of Staff? I don't get this.

The accusation that Boyle leveled against McConnell over on Breitbart -- the one that both made waves and was quickly debunked -- is that McConnell, in this conference call, was speaking ill of 1.) the Tea Party Movement; 2.) Ted Cruz; 3.) Mike Lee. Literally none of those things turned out to be true.

There has to be an accounting for that sort of spreading of flagrant untruths. Even if they were spreading lies about someone I hated -- I won't name names, but let's invent an imaginary Senator named "Mimsey Jaham" -- it still wouldn't be acceptable.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:33 PM (n/+FT)

646 #648: Sadly, that "someone" is apparently not Harry Reid.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 10:33 PM (ghENB)

647 Hey, Kids

is it safe?

Posted by: jc at November 22, 2013 10:33 PM (PlzOe)

648 641 >>>You make excellent points and I'm with you about 98% of the
way....until he starts shitting on people for articulating and living up
to the fundamental tenets of the party. Bad-mouthing the tea-party is
beltway insidership gone toxic.

If you're referring to the latest 'story' from Breitbart, see my #624. It's an outright lie, and there is widespread disbelief on Twitter now that the tape has emerged that Matt Boyle/Breitbart are refusing to back down. (My theory, as expressed on Twitter, as to why they won't apologize: they understand full well that there's a real appetite to believe in this kind of story among some conservatives, so as long as they don't actually apologize a large enough cohort of people will *want* to believe it's true and that's enough.)

McConnell did criticize the Senate Conservatives Fund, but he has every right in the world to do so. They've spent millions of dollars in ad money opposing him in his primary and endorsed his opponent, after all. He also said he thought the shutdown was a dumb idea, which he's already said a number of times. And that's it.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 02:26 AM (n/+FT)

To a certain extent, you can only be a ninja parliamentarian if you're an "insider" -- but the gorilla in the room is that we currently have a battle royale of "the government" v. "the people" -- and the statist party labeled "D" have gone 'all-in' for the government. McConnell needs to tread a fine, fine line to adroitly use government rules to work against the permanent bureaucracy and their party.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 10:35 PM (T1005)

649 >>>Why are you so invested in that story?

We've been talking about it a lot on Twitter tonight, which is why it's top of mind for me. But also, as I just wrote in #649, I get pissed off as a matter of principle about what I consider to be the spreading of slanders. Whether it's about people who I happen to think are good for the conservative movement (like McConnell) or even people who I can't stand (let's invent another notional Senator, let's call him "Don McLean").

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:35 PM (n/+FT)

650 651 Hey, Kids is it safe? Posted by: jc Define 'safe'.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 10:36 PM (KVY+w)

651 #653: I know Don McLean likes pie. He wrote a song about it.

Posted by: Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson at November 22, 2013 10:38 PM (ghENB)

652 "McConnell's comments about dealing with "schoolyard bullies" by punching them in the nose, as reported by Breitbart News, were accurate but were explicitly directed at the Senate Conservatives Fund, not the Tea Party or a specific conservative senator."

Ok so Mitch wants to punch Jim DeMint in the nose? Is that what you are saying?

Jim DeMint is now a schoolyard bully?

Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 10:39 PM (nkPV9)

653 654 651 Hey, Kids

is it safe?
Posted by: jc

Define 'safe'.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2013 02:36 AM (KVY+w)

===

safe -- (eng.) 1) capable of entering the room without being covered in flying shit.

2) etc to be determined.

Posted by: jc at November 22, 2013 10:39 PM (PlzOe)

654 653 >>>Why are you so invested in that story?

We've been talking about it a lot on Twitter tonight, which is why it's top of mind for me. But also, as I just wrote in #649, I get pissed off as a matter of principle about what I consider to be the spreading of slanders. Whether it's about people who I happen to think are good for the conservative movement (like McConnell) or even people who I can't stand (let's invent another notional Senator, let's call him "Don McLean").

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 02:35 AM (n/+FT)

Y'know, if Don McLean hadn't said "Bye, bye, Miss American Pie, we have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House", I might be more inclined to believe he wasn't a net liability going forward.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 10:40 PM (T1005)

655 afe -- (eng.) 1) capable of entering the room without being covered in flying shit. 2) etc to be determined. Posted by: jc The internet, is as is, not safe. Enter at your own risk.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 10:41 PM (KVY+w)

656 Oh it approaches

Posted by: Zakn at November 22, 2013 10:42 PM (zyaZ1)

657 659 afe -- (eng.) 1) capable of entering the room without being covered in flying shit.
2) etc to be determined.
Posted by: jc

The internet, is as is, not safe. Enter at your own risk.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2013 02:41 AM (KVY+w)

"The internet is a series of tubes, partially full of flying shit...."

Posted by: Ted Stevens on the brown acid at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (T1005)

658 624 Jeff B.,

Here, let me let Matthew Boyle defend himself re those remarks about the Tea Party , punches in the nose, etc. --

http://tinyurl.com/ogcxxd3 (Breitbart)

I'd say he isn't backing down. Some of this is 'interpreted' and directly head on stuff, true, but McConnell has expressed his dislike of those radical TP types before.

Sure, I understand that they are trying to primary his ass, and he doesn't like his job threatened...I can even sympathize a bit.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (cHZB7)

659 I have no use for someone ostensibly of the right who argues against conservatives using terms he'd never use against liberals. Mitch McConnell would like to punch some TEA Party types in the face? Why won't he use similar language when talking about Harry Reid?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (ghENB)

660 ??? Question. Bottom line. McConnell thinks that anyone who opposes his opinions and record are schoolyard bullys, who should be punched in the nose.

How does this not include the specifics of Breitbarts accusation?

Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (nkPV9)

661 Sniper

Posted by: Zakn at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (zyaZ1)

662 >>>I'm actually more "pissed" about Enzi taking a challenge from War Cock's spawn. I don't see the necessity and the regional challenge is just odd.

I cannot for the life of me understand what's going on there with that primary challenge. Lynn Cheney doesn't have a chance in hell of unseating Enzi, either. It's just made of fail all the way through. If she had waited for him to retire, she would have had a great chance at the seat, now she won't have even the slightest chance AND she has apparently really driven a wedge through her own family. Kind of depressing, really.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:43 PM (n/+FT)

663 ugh. reload

Posted by: Zakn at November 22, 2013 10:44 PM (zyaZ1)

664 Dum....de-dum-DUM.

Posted by: Sgt. Joe Friday at November 22, 2013 10:44 PM (T1005)

665 "The internet is a series of tubes, partially full of flying shit...." Posted by: Ted Stevens on the brown acid at November 23, 2013 02:43 AM (T1005) Let me introduce you to my accountant nasty prisms good sirÂ… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMNWHLPSgBE

Posted by: Syd Barrett at November 22, 2013 10:44 PM (Vk2pI)

666 665 Sniper Posted by: Zakn Lame. Asshole.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 10:45 PM (KVY+w)

667 I turned to Comedy Central which is airing Chris Rock: Bigger and Blacker. I'm trying to remember why I ever thought he was funny.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2013 10:47 PM (DmNpO)

668 Hey jc. We're not happier than people in the front row of a Ghallager Show ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 10:48 PM (jdRXP)

669 Fuck off welp :p It was a timing play....like usual I came early

Posted by: Zakn at November 22, 2013 10:49 PM (zyaZ1)

670 669 "The internet is a series of tubes, partially full of flying shit...."

Posted by: Ted Stevens on the brown acid at November 23, 2013 02:43 AM (T1005)

Let me introduce you to my accountant nasty prisms good sirÂ…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMNWHLPSgBE

Posted by: Syd Barrett at November 23, 2013 02:44 AM (Vk2pI)

I've got to say, that's really captured the true flavor of being a tax accountant.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 10:49 PM (T1005)

671 >>>Ok so Mitch wants to punch Jim DeMint in the nose? Is that what you are saying?

Jim DeMint doesn't have anything to do with the Senate Conservatives Fund. Jim DeMint is the head of the Heritage Foundation. The SCF is currently headed by a former staffer of DeMint's, however.

All that aside, the personalized way you're phrasing your question elides a pretty tough point you're failing to address: a PAC declares itself vehemently opposed to you. It spends millions of dollars in advertising on TV and radio to attack you and run you down. It endorses your opponent. It levels all sorts of accusations at you (including, as I mentioned above, ones that frankly border on insane like "Mitch McConnell is responsible for Harry Reid's nuking of the filibuster" and "Mitch McConnell prevented the repeal of Obamacare").

Assuming all that, do you violate some sort of code of good behavior by referring to that group as "schoolyard bullies?" I mean, we're not exactly talking about inflammatory language here either: had I been in his shoes, believe me there would've been at least a "twatscar" or two tossed in. You act as if it's a Major Party Foul to mildly criticize a group which is dedicated to removing you from office. That suggests that you're just opposed to McConnell and thus primed already to interpret anything he does as being horribly offensive. But c'mon, the rule you're promulgating here, taken seriously, denies people the right to basic political self-defense.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:51 PM (n/+FT)

672 re Enzi/Cheney, I think every incumbent ought to face a primary opponent.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 10:52 PM (cHZB7)

673 #675: As I asked before, why won't Mitch McConnell use language against Harry Reid that he's willing to use against the TEA Party?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 10:53 PM (ghENB)

674 Assuming all that, do you violate some sort of code of good behavior by referring to that group as "schoolyard bullies?" I mean, we're not exactly talking about inflammatory language here either: had I been in his shoes, believe me there would've been at least a "twatscar" or two tossed in. You act as if it's a Major Party Foul to mildly criticize a group which is dedicated to removing you from office. That suggests that you're just opposed to McConnell and thus primed already to interpret anything he does as being horribly offensive. But c'mon, the rule you're promulgating here, taken seriously, denies people the right to basic political self-defense. Posted by: Jeff B. Hmm, hmm.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 10:54 PM (KVY+w)

675 http://tinyurl.com/lrrmw7s

look in the right hand corner.

Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 10:54 PM (nkPV9)

676

Well it looks like we're back in the mold where the hive spends most of its time and energy identifying members of an outgroup or talking shit about them. Yay you're one of the cool kids!!! Fuck don't you people have any ideas to talk about or are you just here to make yourself feel better by generating a pathetic sense of pseudo-belonging?

As I said last night true trolls make themselves very undeniable. People who call for the banning of someone (a TROLL!!11!!!11) who's been active here for over a year have no idea how much their asshole is showing. FFS people middle school is supposed to be behind us...

"I don't want to hear him talk..." WTF??? If you need a friend that much get a f'n DOG.

Searching...grasping... for a rationalization for how you feel about Moo for example. Hell half the shit he says I violently disagree with but then again I'm not a big fan of women talking to other women's husbands about their boobs and underwear either. So what? Cob's seem to have attained some clarity about what the characteristics of a troll are and after all if you don't approve of the conversation in someone else's living room it should be understood that you are most welcome to GTFO.

This banning/troll hive mind bullshit comes up about every 4 months and it's just a bug that keeps needing to be squashed.

Posted by: DAve at November 22, 2013 10:54 PM (b7yum)

677 Pink Floyd, George Winston, classic Stones, Grateful Dead, Pachibel's Canon ... I thank you for the links, Good People; and I miss Robert ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 10:54 PM (jdRXP)

678 >>>re Enzi/Cheney, I think every incumbent ought to face a primary opponent.

I assume you'll be cheering on Ted Cruz's primary opponent in 2018, then, right?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:55 PM (n/+FT)

679 676 re Enzi/Cheney, I think every incumbent ought to face a primary opponent.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 23, 2013 02:52 AM (cHZB7)

I disagree. There are 535 elected legislators, and 330 million people in the US. Just on a mathematical basis, it's a 600,000:1 shot against the incumbent being the most qualified person to fill the role. With those odds, the rule should be "one and done".

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 10:56 PM (T1005)

680 This is odd http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uXwRgnZ990I

Posted by: Zakn at November 22, 2013 10:56 PM (zyaZ1)

681 >>>Hmm, hmm.

??

What do you mean by this?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 10:56 PM (n/+FT)

682 ...and I miss Robert ...

Keep practicing, your aim will get better.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 22, 2013 10:56 PM (JawqV)

683 675 Jeff B.,

You missed the point. You are conflating the What with the Why. The What is did he want to punch someone in the nose (answer: yes) with WHY he might reasonably want to do that (answer: yes).

All rhetorically speaking, of course.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 10:57 PM (cHZB7)

684 "Think apart" "lemme in"

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 10:59 PM (KVY+w)

685 >> I assume you'll be cheering on Ted Cruz's primary opponent in 2018, then, right?

Yep, in that I encourage someone to primary him. I'm pretty sure that he can take care of himself though.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 11:01 PM (cHZB7)

686 He also seemed a bit elitist earlier tonight during his pantheon to the need for a college degree to make good in life.

Posted by: Purp at November 23, 2013 01:59 AM (Xlbr

The word you are looking for there is paean.

Posted by: HTL at November 22, 2013 11:01 PM (d6iMX)

687 If nobody can tell me why Mitch McConnell will use language against conservatives that he's unwilling to use against liberals, then the only conclusion I can draw is that McConnell considers liberals to be "of his kind" in a way the he doesn't consider conservatives to be.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 11:01 PM (ghENB)

688 "Kind of depressing, really."Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 02:43 AM (n/+FT)

That's why you are in NO WAY a "troll". You're a necessity, as far as us LiB-ers go. There's always an alternate fashion, even though we don't see it.

I'll agree with yousometimes because you've got a different perspective.

Ace is willing to go to Hell. You're willing to suck McConnell's cock.

Keep that as High Praise, Sir!

P.S.: Can Nirvana ever crack the top 50, even though its Lead Singer was a suicidal, heroin-addicted douchebag?

-Slap in Cleveland

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 11:01 PM (lq3Ak)

689 My fav grilled cheese has bacon & mushroom....melt butter in pan slap assembled sammich in pan where it soaks up butter and browns, lift, throw more butter in, melt, flip sammich repeat......mmmmm

Posted by: bill-o at November 22, 2013 11:01 PM (AWwDY)

690 ಠ_ಠ I'll just leave this hereÂ… http://www.trayvonsamendment.com/the-28th-amendment/

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 11:02 PM (Vk2pI)

691 >>>You missed the point. You are conflating the What with the Why. The What is did he want to punch someone in the nose (answer: yes) with WHY he might reasonably want to do that (answer: yes).

I think you may be interpreting the "punch in the nose" metaphor literally when it was explicitly meant, well, metaphorically. McConnell said that the SCF was behaving like a schoolyard bully, and how have we all been taught to handle the schoolyard bully? Punch him in the nose -- he'll run away once someone actually stands up to him. (Heck, that's what my dad taught me when I was a kid.)

This wasn't a public speech, it was a private call to supporters. That sort of metaphor might -- might -- be too strong for a public speech, but even then it's a marginal call and it's certainly not beyond the pale for a private off-the-record discussion with your supporters. So I don't know why you think the metaphor is so offensive, unless you are taking literally to mean that Mitch McConnell -- we're talking about a guy whose nickname is "Turtleboy," ffs -- wants to physically punch people in the face who disagree with him.

I'm pretty sure that's not how Turtleboy rolls.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 11:02 PM (n/+FT)

692

LOTSA lotsa lotsa electricians and other tradesmen out of work in socal. Guys I know in the carpenters', drywallers, and pipefitters' unions who haven't had any work in three years.

So much for "there's always demand blah blah blah..."

I have no dog in this fight since I have trades AND degrees

Posted by: DAve at November 22, 2013 11:03 PM (b7yum)

693 682 >>>re Enzi/Cheney, I think every incumbent ought to face a primary opponent.

I assume you'll be cheering on Ted Cruz's primary opponent in 2018, then, right?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 02:55 AM (n/+FT)

Regarding @683, I'd willingly trade Cruz for the demolition of all incumbents....and I like Cruz. But the culture of incumbency is toxic.

I've even advocated that entry into the District of Columbia should be restricted with a special passport, valid for 3,652 days (10 years). You can spend those days as an elected official, a tourist, an ambassador, an appointed official, a lobbyist, an expert witness, a judge, a regulator, or a bureaucrat.....but if they catch you at the border on visit #3,653 -- they drag you off to the side and shoot you. No exceptions.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 11:04 PM (T1005)

694 If it is not intended for a specific, why make the statement at all?

Posted by: GMB-Schoolyard bully at November 22, 2013 11:04 PM (nkPV9)

695 686 ...and I miss Robert ...

Keep practicing, your aim will get better.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 23, 2013 02:56 AM (JawqV)

Yeah, I miss Robert, too. I hope he's doing ok.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 11:05 PM (T1005)

696 >>>P.S.: Can Nirvana ever crack the top 50, even though its Lead Singer was a suicidal, heroin-addicted douchebag?

They don't crack MY top 50, but that's not because they're not an excellent band, rather because I've never really gotten into their stuff (I grew up with Nevermind and In Utero dominating the airwaves, but by the time I was really getting serious about music I'd moved on and have never circled 'round).

I think my "Nirvana" slot has been filled by The Pixies. Come On Pilgrim, Surfer Rosa, Doolittle: I think that defeats the Nirvana discography all by its own, before we get to the BBC sessions.

And of course Pavement lords it above them all if we're talking '90s bands.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 11:07 PM (n/+FT)

697 695 I said it was rhetorical ffs, Jeff.

But he did say the words 'punch in the nose' on that tape, did he not? That's the What I'm referring to.

You were going on back in 624 about how Boyle got it all wrong and made shit up.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 11:07 PM (cHZB7)

698 I skipped the 90s music-wise. Mind you, I'm not complaining.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2013 11:08 PM (6h2wp)

699 A private call to supporters. Which means that Mitch never thought that his insult would ever get into the public square. He will say in private what he won't in public?

I am quite sure that if Mitch had some muscle to back him up, he would most definitely punch Ted Cruz in the nose.

Posted by: GMB-Schoolyard bully at November 22, 2013 11:10 PM (nkPV9)

700

Oh f that, TPH. Fuckheads gonna fuckhead.

btw, I really like your news aggrigation service, you tend to find things I don't seee eslewere

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at November 22, 2013 11:10 PM (QH36x)

701 Jeff, if Mitch McConnell would like to punch people more conservative than himself in the nose but not Harry Reid, why should people more conservative than McConnell want to support him?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 11:11 PM (ghENB)

702 Cage match McConnell:Cruz --

I got 10 bucks on Cruz.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 11:11 PM (cHZB7)

703 Gotye - Somebody That I Used to Know ASL version Love this lady.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 11:13 PM (KVY+w)

704 Should anyone that dare oppose Mitch in any way be labeled a schoolyard bully.

If so, why?

Posted by: GMB-Schoolyard bully at November 22, 2013 11:14 PM (nkPV9)

705 Oh f that, TPH. Fuckheads gonna fuckhead. btw, I really like your news aggrigation service, you tend to find things I don't seee eslewere Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at November 23, 2013 03:10 AM (QH36x) TY. I've been doing the "News of the Week" thing in one form or another for the better part of two decades. I originally sent out people I knew all the news links I found interested, but then went to a weekly digest, and later sent it to eGroups I was on (before Yahoo took it over). I spend enough time looking around for stuff that I just might as well copypasta the headlines/links and share them. BTW, anyone else have the problem of their Twitter acting like their account doesn't exist when you try to visit the site page or log in, but not when you try to sign up again with the same handle or when it automatically pops up when you are tweeting someone directly? I think it's a server problem, but still.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 11:17 PM (Vk2pI)

706 Cruz won his seat after a bruising primary battle; now he should be immune from any further challenges?

Interesting political theory you have there.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 11:17 PM (cHZB7)

707 707 Gotye - Somebody That I Used to Know
ASL version

Love this lady.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2013 03:13 AM (KVY+w)

I really liked this version -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4phH8xBurs -- although the poor guys who made it could only afford one guitar.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 11:17 PM (T1005)

708 >>>Jeff, if Mitch McConnell would like to punch people more conservative than himself in the nose but not Harry Reid, why should people more conservative than McConnell want to support him?

Because, no matter how much the Searchlight Strangler pisses me off and pisses you off, it is a violation of Senate decorum for Senators to be talking about one another in those terms, much less the Minority Leader to the Majority Leader. In fact, if you do it on the floor of Senate, you will get automatically censured. I understand -- believe me, I understand -- that you think such considerations are trifling, but beyond being a violation of the operating rules of the Senate (well, the ones the D's haven't decided to overturn on a bare majority yet!), it's bad national politics.

Meanwhile, Harry Reid may be a crypto-pederast and serial killer, but he's not running against you for election directly. If you don't grasp how it's a lot more immediate and personal when a Super-PAC is spending millions of dollars specifically to make YOU extinct for no other reason than an insider-Washington power-play, then I think you're being insufficiently generous in your willingness to put yourself in the shoes of a normal person. This is how anyone would react to an organization going balls out to primary them. Actually strike that: it's far milder than most people would react.

Meanwhile the sort of language you're talking about is NEVER spoken between Senators. If you can name the last time -- and it has to be a fair analogy, not "oh a Democrat said Ted Cruz was a dolt!" -- I'd be interested in hearing it. When Cheney told Pat Leahy to go fuck himself (richly deserved) it was a Big Effin' Deal, because that sort of thing just isn't done. Whether we wish it would be or not.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 11:18 PM (n/+FT)

709 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4phH8xBurs -- although the poor guys who made it could only afford one guitar. Posted by: cthulhu BWAHAHA, I was hoping no one would post that! Both mega cool. ( can't play g'itar worth shit )

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 11:20 PM (KVY+w)

710 I skipped the 90s music-wise. Mind you, I'm not complaining.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 23, 2013 03:08 AM (6h2wp)

You and me both.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 22, 2013 11:20 PM (FMbng)

711

Re college and the Moomoo: my issue with people like him is that they will take some evidence from the general and use it to dictate the specific. Even if we buy that college median income in present value is higher than without a degree, that doesn't mean everyone should go to college. Men earn more than women on the whole, should everyone be a man? Slughead (a point many commenters rebutted with, though not in exactly those terms). About college in general, using measures of the middle is no way to compare outcomes in a society as large and diverse as the US. Consider that I'd bet locations with more college grads will have higher cost of living, so even if college grads tend to make more, they may end up paying more as well. So how well off someone is is very difficult if nit impossible to disentangle from the data.and that's my take in that

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at November 22, 2013 11:21 PM (3tFLC)

712 #712: None of that keeps Senators of both parties from talking trash about Ted Cruz.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 11:23 PM (ghENB)

713 "Don" Wacko Birds "McLean"

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 11:25 PM (jdRXP)

714 I skipped the 90s music-wise. Mind you, I'm not complaining. Posted by: SFGoth at November 23, 2013 03:08 AM (6h2wp) You and me both. Posted by: Berserker This makes little sense: Cure Dead can Dance Depeche Mode Pet Shop Boys

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 11:25 PM (KVY+w)

715 Alright, good night all. Have to prepare a client for deposition tomorrow...believe me I'd rather be doing anything than that, but it does mean that at least a LITTLE sleep is necessary.

I end by pimping my new twitter feed: @EsotericCD. Not the most exciting thing in the world, but you'll find me RINO-ing it up on a fairly regular basis there, in between random recommendations of old-school prog-rock/art-rock/kraut-rock/ROCK groups as well.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 11:25 PM (n/+FT)

716 Why is it that those oh-so-important Senate rules only seem to protect liberals from being badmouthed?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 11:26 PM (ghENB)

717 712 Senate decorum and Dingy Reid:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/04/ harry-reid-apologizes-for-behaving-like-a-total-harry-reid/

(remove the space between / and harry; I wanted the date and title of link to show that it happened recently with no censure)

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 11:26 PM (cHZB7)

718 Good Night, Jeff B ... Happy-ish Despositioning ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 11:28 PM (jdRXP)

719 I skipped the 90s music-wise. Mind you, I'm not complaining. Posted by: SFGoth This was for you: Just the way you are - Bruno Mars:ddddddddddddddddddddd

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 11:29 PM (KVY+w)

720 718 I skipped the 90s music-wise. Mind you, I'm not complaining.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 23, 2013 03:08 AM (6h2wp)

You and me both.
Posted by: Berserker

This makes little sense:
Cure
Dead can Dance
Depeche Mode
Pet Shop Boys
Posted by

LOL, yeah, actually, I really don't like The Cure all that much -- Robert Smith's whiny vocals, and they started in the 80s, which the others did as well. They aren't really "90s" music, which to me is grunge, which is just punk without the "originality". When I found Blue Oyster Cult in 1981, I really didn't need much more than that, though I did round myself out.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2013 11:29 PM (6h2wp)

721 If I think a Republican Senator values Harry Reid's opinion more than he values mine, I'd really like to see that Republican replaced with someone else.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 11:30 PM (ghENB)

722 Duh!1 is seriously stupid.
Yes, he's a Maroon. At best.
And you elected him.
Twice. Ã˜-Merica.
Idjits.

Posted by: backhoe at November 22, 2013 11:31 PM (ULH4o)

723 I can't help but think that 28th amendment page is a troll. Reading the 12 points or whatever is...well I really don't say this, but those people ought to be locked up for expressing something so catastrophically wrong.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at November 22, 2013 11:31 PM (3tFLC)

724 The Cure started in the '70s, not the '80s. 1977 to be exact. First single ("Killing An Arab") was 1978 and first LP (Three Imaginary Boys) was 1979. They're part of the postpunk movement, originally.

The More You Know!

(Okay, really: TO BED.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 11:31 PM (n/+FT)

725 712 >>>Jeff, if Mitch McConnell would like to punch people more conservative
than himself in the nose but not Harry Reid, why should people more
conservative than McConnell want to support him?

Because, no matter how much the Searchlight Strangler pisses me off and pisses you off, it is a violation of Senate decorum for Senators to be talking about one another in those terms, much less the Minority Leader to the Majority Leader. In fact, if you do it on the floor of Senate, you will get automatically censured. I understand -- believe me, I understand -- that you think such considerations are trifling, but beyond being a violation of the operating rules of the Senate (well, the ones the D's haven't decided to overturn on a bare majority yet!), it's bad national politics.

Meanwhile, Harry Reid may be a crypto-pederast and serial killer, but he's not running against you for election directly. If you don't grasp how it's a lot more immediate and personal when a Super-PAC is spending millions of dollars specifically to make YOU extinct for no other reason than an insider-Washington power-play, then I think you're being insufficiently generous in your willingness to put yourself in the shoes of a normal person. This is how anyone would react to an organization going balls out to primary them. Actually strike that: it's far milder than most people would react.

Meanwhile the sort of language you're talking about is NEVER spoken between Senators. If you can name the last time -- and it has to be a fair analogy, not "oh a Democrat said Ted Cruz was a dolt!" -- I'd be interested in hearing it. When Cheney told Pat Leahy to go fuck himself (richly deserved) it was a Big Effin' Deal, because that sort of thing just isn't done. Whether we wish it would be or not.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2013 03:18 AM (n/+FT)

717 "Don" Wacko Birds "McLean"

Posted by: Adriane... at November 23, 2013 03:25 AM (jdRXP)

Point to Adriane.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 11:32 PM (T1005)

726 Well, good night, Jeff!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 11:32 PM (ghENB)

727 I can't help but think that 28th amendment page is a troll. Reading the 12 points or whatever is...well I really don't say this, but those people ought to be locked up for expressing something so catastrophically wrong. Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at November 23, 2013 03:31 AM (3tFLC) It's one of those cases where it seems to obviously be a trollÂ… but then realize that there really are idjits that believe that.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 22, 2013 11:34 PM (Vk2pI)

728 728 The Cure started in the '70s, not the '80s. 1977 to be exact. First single ("Killing An Arab") was 1978 and first LP (Three Imaginary Boys) was 1979. They're part of the postpunk movement, originally.

The More You Know!

(Okay, really: TO BED.)
Posted by: Jeff B.

That's true, but who ever heard of them over here until the 80s? In '79 I was rockin' out to E.L.O., all over the world.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2013 11:34 PM (6h2wp)

729 #729: Agreed!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 11:34 PM (ghENB)

730 BTW... as those who have deemed my prayers "worthy", I apologize for my language throughout this endeavor. For those who have never seen my written form?

...May our Lord assuage your fears and honor you as you've been bestowed. Allow His Might and Beauty quarter within your soul.

Shine the Light of Truth and Ye shall be granted passage into His Kingdom of Heaven.

Find not unworthy those whose opinions differ from your own. One's Truth may be found, unequally, as God has commanded.

Enjoy only the Heavenly Light of God's embrace, as it is the Power, the Beauty, the Light.

May the Holy Spirit keep your holiday festivities in its embrace. Your family, your soul, ...our Love.

Keep unto you that which is sacred. Share your love with those around you, as it is yours to give and for those to embrace.

May the warmth of our love surround your family and friends.

Pray, in the Giving of Thanks, for Our Lord. Our Savior.

Pray that those who wish us harm are directed under His Loving Light. These are the toughest prayers of all.

On our knees, to pray for our perceived enemies is that which brings us through the night and unto dawn.

Pray they see The Light.

-In Jesus' name, I pray,

*amen*

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 11:34 PM (lq3Ak)

731 Roses are red, Violets are blue, Good Night, Good People, Health and Happiness - and Great Music and Spankings/Pie - to all of you ...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 11:34 PM (jdRXP)

732 #732: You gotta slow down, sweet talkin' woman!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 11:35 PM (ghENB)

733 Thank you for your kind prayers, Slapweasel...

Posted by: Adriane... at November 22, 2013 11:38 PM (jdRXP)

734 Bless you, Adriane. May your soul find peace this Christmas.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 22, 2013 11:41 PM (lq3Ak)

735 This makes little sense:
Cure
Dead can Dance
Depeche Mode
Pet Shop Boys

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2013 03:25 AM (KVY+w)

Well I'm an asshole metalhead, not much makes sense to me anyway. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 22, 2013 11:43 PM (FMbng)

736

If you skipped the 90's you missed Uncle Tupelo.

That's not acceptable.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 11:45 PM (dbvVn)

737

Slayer tore it up through the 90s, Bers.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 11:46 PM (dbvVn)

738 Well I'm an asshole metalhead, not much makes sense to me anyway. lol Posted by: Berserker/i] heh. megadeth metalica Black Sabbath

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 11:46 PM (KVY+w)

739 734 BTW... as those who have deemed my prayers "worthy", I apologize for my language throughout this endeavor. For those who have never seen my written form?

...May our Lord assuage your fears and honor you as you've been bestowed. Allow His Might and Beauty quarter within your soul.

Shine the Light of Truth and Ye shall be granted passage into His Kingdom of Heaven.

Find not unworthy those whose opinions differ from your own. One's Truth may be found, unequally, as God has commanded.

Enjoy only the Heavenly Light of God's embrace, as it is the Power, the Beauty, the Light.

May the Holy Spirit keep your holiday festivities in its embrace. Your family, your soul, ...our Love.

Keep unto you that which is sacred. Share your love with those around you, as it is yours to give and for those to embrace.

May the warmth of our love surround your family and friends.

Pray, in the Giving of Thanks, for Our Lord. Our Savior.

Pray that those who wish us harm are directed under His Loving Light. These are the toughest prayers of all.

On our knees, to pray for our perceived enemies is that which brings us through the night and unto dawn.

Pray they see The Light.

-In Jesus' name, I pray,

*amen*

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 03:34 AM (lq3Ak)

Slap, I've gotta say, you pray like nobody's business. You can talk like a moron, argue like a moron, bullshit like a moron.....but when you pray, I stop to listen. I let the words do their pachinko bouncing inside me until things settle down. I feel your solid faith bolstering my doubts and worries. And when I can say "amen", I feel like it means something real instead of some weasel-worded, multi-interpreted, off-the-cuff, half-assed bullshit.

This one even managed to somehow stir up a bunch of dust in the room -- I had to wipe my eyes at the end. But I felt better after doing so.

I may never be the believer you are, but I am inspired by your belief time-and-time-again. Thank you for sharing.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2013 11:47 PM (T1005)

740 Slayer tore it up through the 90s, Bers. Posted by: garrett at November 23, 2013 03:46 AM (dbvVn) Thought that out of the Big Four, Megadeth did best during the '90's after the Grunge crap broke it big.

Posted by: \m/ The Political Hat \m/ at November 22, 2013 11:47 PM (Vk2pI)

741 It's okay. I don't understand Spanish, so this song doesn't make much sense to me, but it's still beautiful...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUAhsnMMAvk

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 22, 2013 11:47 PM (ghENB)

742 If you skipped the 90's you missed Uncle Tupelo.
That's not acceptable.

Posted by: garrett at November 23, 2013 03:45 AM (dbvVn)

Missed is an understatement, I don't even know who that is. For me the 90's was black hole for music.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 22, 2013 11:48 PM (FMbng)

743 Slayer tore it up through the 90s, Bers.

Posted by: garrett at November 23, 2013 03:46 AM (dbvVn)

Thought that out of the Big Four, Megadeth did best during the '90's after the Grunge crap broke it big.

Posted by: \m/ The Political Hat \m/ at November 23, 2013 03:47 AM (Vk2pI)

Well yeah, there were a few bands that were doing ok. It wasn't the horn of plenty though.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 22, 2013 11:50 PM (FMbng)

744 The latest Mark Steyn column and he cuts deep:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/lewis-538411-rules-old.html

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 11:51 PM (cHZB7)

745

1990 - Seasons in the Abyss

1994 - Divine Intervention

1998 - Diabolus in Musica

That's tough to beat.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 11:52 PM (dbvVn)

746 Could be worse. Could be a Jeff B defense... OH SHIT!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 11:54 PM (KVY+w)

747 worse is Monty Python Life of Brian

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 22, 2013 11:56 PM (KVY+w)

748 1990 -Seasons in the Abyss
1994 - Divine Intervention
1998 - Diabolus in Musica

That's tough to beat.

Posted by: garrett at November 23, 2013 03:52 AM (dbvVn)

Yeah slayer more or less stayed pretty much on course. Gotta give them that.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 22, 2013 11:57 PM (FMbng)

749 Slayer's cover of "Dissident Aggressor" pales in comparison to the original.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2013 11:59 PM (6h2wp)

750

Their cover of 'Guilty of Being White' on Undisputed Attitude makes up for it, Goth.

Posted by: garrett at November 23, 2013 12:01 AM (dbvVn)

751 I'm out for the night; I'll leave you guys with this classic tune...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeL9gagV_VA

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 23, 2013 12:03 AM (ghENB)

752 He also said he thought the shutdown was a dumb idea, which he's already said a number of times.

It wasn't dumb. It revealed Obama as a petty tyrant. His absurd shutdown theater antics probably greased the rails a bit and accelerated the Obamacare related approval collapse somewhat.

The whole shutdown thing is a distant memory now. The Dems got ZERO long term advantage out of it. By next Nov the shutdown will be as forgotten as some hooker turning tricks in Pompeii when Vesuvius obliterated the town.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 23, 2013 12:05 AM (Xlbr8)

753 Nouvelle Vague - Love will tear us apart

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 23, 2013 12:05 AM (KVY+w)

754 745 It's okay. I don't understand Spanish, so this song doesn't make much sense to me, but it's still beautiful...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUAhsnMMAvk

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 23, 2013 03:47 AM (ghENB)

I wanted to find a video for Spencer the Gardener's version -- SoCal beach pop doing irreverent songs in Spanish with a surfer-dude accent -- but I'll go with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc8GbeikIpo and a translation of the lyrics.

Let her roll, Juana
Because I started dancing,
That Cuban brunette
We will make up a sweat

Dance this beat with pure deliciousness
Move these bits like pure black candy
Because dancing queen wherever you are,
With the grace you move your hips

[Chorus:]
Dance like Juana the Cuban!
The pace that feels tasty
As apple juice,
Dance like Juana the Cuban,
A step ahead
And one step back but looking forward,
Dance like Juana the Cuban,
To keep up is you have to
Move like Juana,
Dance like Cuban Juana,
Seeing dance Juana I stay
Until six o'clock,
Dance like Cuban Juana

Ringing sound and my drum
This Latin rhythm warms me
And now everyone enjoying dancing

....and a final "baile como Juana la Cubana!" to "los Morones".

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2013 12:06 AM (T1005)

755 Slayer's cover of "Dissident Aggressor" pales in comparison to the original.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 23, 2013 03:59 AM (6h2wp)

Not sure what version wouldn't without that brutal Halford scream in the beginning.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 23, 2013 12:06 AM (FMbng)

756 756 He also said he thought the shutdown was a dumb idea, which he's already said a number of times.

It wasn't dumb. It revealed Obama as a petty tyrant. His absurd shutdown theater antics probably greased the rails a bit and accelerated the Obamacare related approval collapse somewhat.

The whole shutdown thing is a distant memory now. The Dems got ZERO long term advantage out of it. By next Nov the shutdown will be as forgotten as some hooker turning tricks in Pompeii when Vesuvius obliterated the town.

Posted by: Purp at November 23, 2013 04:05 AM (Xlbr

I had my doubts going into the shutdown -- it was the right thing to do in a "die on the hill" mode, but the wrong thing to do in Strategicvision, and distracted from the Obamacare clusterfuck but pissed off the right people.....

And now it looks like genius. Remind LIV that the GOP is not aboard the FAILcare express right before it rockets over the uncompleted trestle....

But that doesn't mean that badmouthing it to our enemies -- the press and the Dems -- is anything less than idiotic.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2013 12:12 AM (T1005)

757 Night all. Here is "A Tout Le Monde" by Megadeth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn01nSG4cvU

Posted by: \m/ The Political Hat \m/ at November 23, 2013 12:15 AM (Vk2pI)

758 Old school Goff:

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 23, 2013 12:19 AM (KVY+w)

759 *static*

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 12:21 AM (lq3Ak)

760 Meet the Southern All Stars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krNlM7yVL68&list=PL421D71A66AF1150A

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 23, 2013 12:22 AM (KVY+w)

761 Fukuoaka and Nagasaki cities

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 23, 2013 12:27 AM (KVY+w)

762 Somebody better laugh, or I start singing.

Posted by: fluffy at November 23, 2013 02:01 AM (Ua6T/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3YiPC91QUk

Posted by: bill-o at November 23, 2013 12:29 AM (AWwDY)

763 Tsunami

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 23, 2013 12:30 AM (KVY+w)

764 heh

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 23, 2013 12:34 AM (KVY+w)

765 I wonder if someone in the rebel alliance did a little recon on healthcare.gov before pulling the trigger?

If you know there was a massive clusterfuck segue in the offing waiting to suck all the oxygen out of the Dems, you might be a bit more emboldened about success.

Such a "recon" wouldn't even require any sort of inquires...just have some aides hang around selected bars and you'd get more honest intel than you'd ever get out of "official queries".

There used to be a couple of bars in Boca where the real status of any IBM project could be found out rather quickly just sipping a beer in the corner. I'm pretty sure InfoWorld and PC Magazine sent spies there on a regular basis

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 23, 2013 12:41 AM (Xlbr8)

766 Another clusterfuck tipoff is late night food deliveries. When a project is on track, there aren't pizzas being delivered at 10pm to the offices

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 23, 2013 12:43 AM (Xlbr8)

767 "Another clusterfuck tipoff is late night food deliveries. When a project is on track, there aren't pizzas being delivered at 10pm to the offices."Posted by: Purp at November 23, 2013 04:43 AM (Xlbr

I can directly refute this... lol.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 12:46 AM (lq3Ak)

768 Opening the tanning salon took Banks + Pizza + Chair-Rails + Listings + BLAH!!!

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 12:48 AM (lq3Ak)

769 Sixteen years of income refutes your claim, via different industries.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 12:49 AM (lq3Ak)

770 ...skid

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 12:50 AM (lq3Ak)

771 I'm talking about major catering deliveries, not isolated orders. IBM used to order diner for a few hundred people each day, for weeks on end, when there was a major disaster unfolding.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 23, 2013 12:53 AM (Xlbr8)

772 I ordered a pizza because me and the super-hot chick were hungry before opening day.

...she quit within a week because she "had other opportunities".

And because I kept poking at her clamshell.

...rhetorically.

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 12:58 AM (lq3Ak)

773 could be worse; cold be some Cruise Krav maga

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 23, 2013 12:59 AM (KVY+w)

774 **Static**

Posted by: Slapweasel at November 23, 2013 12:59 AM (lq3Ak)

775 Heh, the US Army in Germany got smart after 10 years of clusterfucking around with DLA bullshit and got its own brass granulating machine for chewing up spent brass, and now they're saving a shitload of money with it making stuff they can sell directly to local scrap yards.

http://tinyurl.com/ldp9aac

"Current estimates show that the machine has the ability to shred enough brass to earn between $370,000 and $400,000 each quarter for the foreseeable future."

This one has to be pretty rugged to handle the occasional live round that slips though, but even so, I can't imagine it cost more than $100k or so.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 23, 2013 01:08 AM (Xlbr8)

776 I've been reading the Army web site a lot today. They're adapting to Obama's bullshit pretty quick and finding some interesting ways to squeeze a lot of blood out of stones.

Freaking Army should have been put in charge of healthcare.gov -- it probably would have got built and worked.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 23, 2013 01:12 AM (Xlbr8)

777 FACTOID: we used the price of oranges in Nazi occupied Paris during WWII, which was apparently openly broadcast over radio, to determine the effectiveness of railway bombing missions.

Price goes up -- you hit the target. Price goes down again, time for another mission.

"open source" intel -- as far back as WWII

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 23, 2013 01:22 AM (Xlbr8)

778 When I found Blue Oyster Cult in 1981,

For me a 70s band

Posted by: bill-o at November 23, 2013 02:18 AM (AWwDY)

779 I pity the poor corgis. Any time a breed gets popular, the shelters are filled with them and they become difficult to adopt. Fads in dogs -- what bullshit.

Posted by: Generalissimo Taco at November 23, 2013 02:30 AM (kkbgQ)

780 Drop yer cocks and grab yer socks. It's sun up.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 02:59 AM (aDwsi)

781 Drop yer cocks and grab yer socks. It's sun up.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 06:59 AM (aDwsi)

Up still? Or again?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2013 03:05 AM (yh0zB)

782 In my experience, rocky project launches are the consequence of resource constraints. In the case of the Obamacare roll-out, the resource constraint seems to have been intellectual/experiential.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 03:10 AM (aDwsi)

783 GGE - First cup of joe. Just up.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 03:11 AM (aDwsi)

784 Made it up JIT for a nood, it seems.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 03:13 AM (aDwsi)

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