March 11, 2013
— Maetenloch
It occurred to me as the fiscal quarter draws to a close that I've never talked about Malaysia on the ONT.
Which is a shame because it truly is a wonderful country - blessed with beautiful landscapes, friendly people and abundant resources, as well an enlightened moderate Muslim government.
With borders stretching from Thailand all the way down to Indonesia its 127,000 sq. miles encompass both rain forest-covered mountains and beautiful pristine beaches. Lifestyle-wise it offers the best of relaxed tropical living along with the fast paced bustle of the city life and rapidly expanding industry in the Kuala Lumpur and Johor Bahru regions.
And with unrestrictive labor laws, flexible regulation and a GDP growing an average 6.5% for almost 50 years it's quickly become the go-to location for business investment in Asia.
Culturally Malaysia is a boiling melting-pot of races and religions where most ethnic groups live together in peace and harmony under a modern sharia-influenced legal system. And thanks to this ethnic diversity it enjoys an amazing array of art and crafts from traditional batik to modern textiles and batik as well as hundreds of colorful festivals where the locals enthusiastically pray and recite verses.
For foodies it's a gastronomical paradise with cuisine influenced by the Arab, Malay, Chinese, Indian, Thai, Javanese, and Somalian cultures. And socially the Malaysians are a very relaxed and friendly people and open to visitors of most major religions.
While officially a Muslim state Malaysia seems to have found a unique middle way in being true to Islam while guaranteeing some rights to religious minorities - and the Malaysian national motto 'Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu' ("Unity Is Strength" ) reflects these values. The esteemed Prime Minister Najib Alibaba Razak explains their success this way:
"We have always taken the position that Islam is an integral part of public policy in Malaysia. By doing so, we have taken the wind from the sails of the extremists. There is no contradiction between being moderate and being Muslim,"
..."Being moderate, taking the middle path, is fundamental to Islam. It is one of the pillars of Islam. Muslims have rights, but it's also enshrined in the teachings of Islam to safeguard non-Muslims in your midst. It's wrong for Muslims to even be unkind to non-Muslims. We would no more harm a non-believer than kill a fly without cause."
With beaches, culture, a growing economy, and a harmonious, moderate Islamic society Malaysia truly is the the jewel of Asia.
And with the monsoon rains almost over why not book your journey to Malaysia now!
What Do You Think About Obama Pardoning the Sequester?
And sending it to Portugal. The LIVs weigh in on this recent controversial decision.
North Korea Getting All Frisky - What's the Deal?
They've declared the 1953 ceasefire invalidated and cut the direct hot line to Seoul. And then you have this:
North Korea has put many combat units on alert and mobile ballistic missiles have been seen being moved to firing positions. This is apparently yet another response to the new sanctions and China becoming openly hostile to the North Korean leadership. These latest moves are apparently in preparation for the end of scheduled South Korea-U.S. military training activities (on April 30 th ) that North Korea has always protested as "provocative" and this year has declared as a cause for a war. This annual training exercise began March 1 st . These joint exercises have been going on for decades, but North Korea insists they are rehearsals for an invasion of North Korea. South Korea has said it would not just retaliate if North Korea fired on them again (as has happened many times before, especially since 2010). This time South Korea says it will hit back a lot harder.
Plus even China is getting fed up with Norks.
While China has officially joined the many nations backing sanctions against North Korea, it has not cut off trade (China is North Korea's largest, by far, trading partner) or aid. ...Inside China, public opinion, despite decades of pro-North Korea propaganda, has turned against North Korea. More ominously (for North Korea), censors and state controlled media are not hiding this anger. When the Chinese want to make a big policy change, they usually make a big show of popular support for the shift.
And why would the North Koreans do all this? Well Galrahn at Information Dissemination says it's their way of putting the unpredictability back into North Korean unpredictability. And a way to stealthily declare war while still retaining deniability.
My sense is North Korea is looking for a small skirmish, some kind of clash that raises tension on the security situation, but only a limited battle not a full war. After 2010 it is unclear if they can maintain escalation control though, which may explain why they are message traffic heavy to the locals. The key here is that North Korea wants to change the dynamics of the security situation for the purposes of negotiation, because apparently they have calculated the security situation is too comfortable for everyone else for security to be used in negotiation as a concession. If that is truly the case, then if a skirmish or something breaks out North Korea would need to get hit harder than they hit the South in order to keep the security situation from being a concession in negotiation, but that isn't easy to do unless we feel you have control over escalation and deescalation of the situation.
...I do not believe North Korea is looking for a major war, but I do think the North is looking for an incident. From their point of view, they have honored every legal requirement regarding any direct attack against any target beginning March 11, 2013 is not some random act of violence. That is what really bothers me, basically North Korea has positioned their nation to be legally at war on purpose, but the specific purpose is yet to be revealed.
Oh and guess what - we have an new inexperienced retard-American Secretary of Defense, no carriers in the Pacific, and our top Admiral says climate change is the real threat in the area. Good times, good times.
Good Swordsmen Are Hard to Find
And that may drive Saudi Arabia to switch to firing squads.
A joint Saudi committee composed of representatives of the ministries of interior, justice and health is mulling the replacement of beheading with firing squads for capital sentences due to shortages in government swordsmen, Saudi daily Al-Youm reported on Sunday.
..."This solution seems practical, especially in light of shortages in official swordsmen or their belated arrival to execution yards in some incidents; the aim is to avoid interruption of the regularly-taken security arrangements," the committee said in a statement.
News You Can Use: Zombie Deterring Perfume
Cause if you stop smelling like sweet, sweet delicious living brains, the Z's will stop being interested.
The perfume works by masking your natural human scent - that "un-undeadness," if you will - with a veil of deep earthy notes. like dried leaves, mushrooms, mildew and moss. Mmmm. And of course, there are different versions for Him and for Her.
...Demeter also makes fragrances that smell like Play-Doh, Clean Windows, Bourbon, and Holy Water. No scent is off-limits, so the smell of barely-dead bodies shouldn't seem all that surprising.
Pixar's 22 Rules of Storytelling
1. You admire a character for trying more than for their successes.2. You gotta keep in mind what's interesting to you as an audience, not what's fun to do as a writer. They can be very different.
3. Trying for theme is important, but you won't see what the story is actually about til you're at the end of it. Now rewrite.
4. Once upon a time there was ___. Every day, ___. One day ___. Because of that, ___. Because of that, ___. Until finally ___.
...
9. When you're stuck, make a list of what WOULDN'T happen next. Lots of times the material to get you unstuck will show up.
Well PSA has some in stock as of this moment - 50rds for $14.99.
Ammo is getting hard to find at any price. I stopped in a local range last week and they had zero .45 ammo of any kind. And no pistol primers either. And no guarantee of getting any more in the next month or two. The guy at the counter advised rationing any .45 shooting until things loosen up.
Well now's your chance to lease a Porsche 911 for two years for only $1100/month. Which is cheap when you consider that a 911's sticker price is almost $100K.
And since I've recently come into some financial good fortune, I'm quite tempted.
The Yahoo AoSHQ group. Bla bla bla.
And my twitter thang.
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Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 06:25 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:26 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:29 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: L, elle at March 11, 2013 06:29 PM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Charles_martel at March 11, 2013 10:28 PM (6TfG1)
--
"Moderate Satanist"
Posted by: Craig Poe at March 11, 2013 06:30 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Catmman at March 11, 2013 06:31 PM (C8XlI)
As hot as Thai and Indonesian chicks?
Because that's important.
Really important.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2013 06:31 PM (3Mkrp)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 06:32 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: fluffy at March 11, 2013 06:33 PM (gOZrN)
Posted by: teej at March 11, 2013 06:34 PM (d4o2E)
As hot as Thai and Indonesian chicks?
Because that's important.
Really important.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2013 10:31 PM (3Mkrp)
--Last term I had a Malaysian chick in my class and she was hot. That's but a sample of one, and not as hot as the chicks from Brazil, Venezuela, Sri Lanka, or Hong Kong who had been in my classes before (or the Vietnamese chick I dated). Thai chicks are both lovely and friendly (BONUS: They're not Muslim, either).
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:35 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 06:36 PM (lsEKO)
Posted by: Ashley J and her Puffies at March 11, 2013 06:36 PM (3VhRQ)
Posted by: Tami [/i] at March 11, 2013 06:36 PM (X6akg)
Thai chicks are both lovely and friendly (BONUS: They're not Muslim, either).
The most beautiful girl I know is Thai.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 06:37 PM (lsEKO)
Posted by: The Political Hat
Unlikely.
NoKo is the equivalent of mafioso owning an asian country. They aren't messianic, true beliver, die hard tards.
It is for all intents and purposes it's a criminal enterprise.
They like creating incidents because SoKo and the US won't push back overtly. Plus China is getting tired of their shit despite possibility of having a flood of NoKo refugees stream over their border.
Something will blow up. Lots of sound and fury. Cash and goods will be sent and that's about it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 06:38 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 11, 2013 06:38 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Tami at March 11, 2013 10:36 PM (X6akg)
--Agreed. Also, I'd add that the Malaysian hottie in my class had a Hindu name (and a teeny-tiny nose ring) and so therefore may not have been representative of the population of her homeland.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:38 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: fluffy at March 11, 2013 06:39 PM (gOZrN)
Posted by: awkward davies at March 11, 2013 06:39 PM (USjX1)
So if they're moderate Muslims, I take it they're completely fine with discussing the Prophet Mohammad marrying 6 year old Aisha and banging her brains out when she hit 9?
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 11, 2013 06:40 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 11, 2013 06:40 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 11, 2013 06:41 PM (lS4IX)
We a family friend who is Thai. Food is absolutely kick--ass.
Posted by: USS Diversity at March 11, 2013 06:41 PM (+bZOu)
When it comes to the SCoaMF, all bets are off.Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 06:42 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 11, 2013 06:42 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at March 11, 2013 06:43 PM (B6nJ8)
Posted by: .87c at March 11, 2013 06:43 PM (+Sb+o)
Well.....I have never considered Malaysian women in my top 10 list. Mostly because I can't recall ever seeing one.
So, input as to their beauty is vital....absolutely vital if I am to objectify them fairly.
Now get your mind out of the gutter....and get off my lawn!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2013 06:43 PM (3Mkrp)
Posted by: USS Diversity at March 11, 2013 10:41 PM (+bZOu)
--Yes. I enjoy Chinese food --but only in China. Thai food in North America, on the other hand, is still delicious and healthy.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:43 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 06:44 PM (DC1tz)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 11, 2013 06:44 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 06:44 PM (kXwK3)
Meh. I'll take my chestnut haired, green eyed Irish lass over all of them. Still can't get enough of looking at her.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2013 06:45 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 11, 2013 10:42 PM (4Mv1T)
--I still vividly recall the reporters from Phuket and nearby islands who were amazed that no looting at all occurred after the tsunami.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:45 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: jakeman at March 11, 2013 06:45 PM (96M6e)
But the rest of us spend the time drinking heavily.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 11, 2013 06:45 PM (4Mv1T)
No worries. SMRT diplomacy is on the scene.
Posted by: SOS Mr. Ed at March 11, 2013 06:46 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: eman at March 11, 2013 06:46 PM (64rcm)
Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at March 11, 2013 06:46 PM (B6nJ8)
My wife hated Chinese food, until she went to Hong Kong on business and was feted by her company there.
She said that it is a completely different animal.
And yes, I will be accompanying her the next time she goes to Hong Kong.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2013 06:46 PM (3Mkrp)
>>Thai food in North America, on the other hand, is still delicious and healthy.
I love Thai food.
Thai ass, the next day, however...not a fan.
Always thought you could conquer Thailand quite easily between 6 am and 10 am because of that.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 06:47 PM (lsEKO)
Posted by: Tami [/i] at March 11, 2013 06:48 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: North Korea at March 11, 2013 06:49 PM (EhSF0)
My wife hated Chinese food, until she went to Hong Kong on business and was feted by her company there.
She said that it is a completely different animal.
And yes, I will be accompanying her the next time she goes to Hong Kong.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2013 10:46 PM (3Mkrp)
--If you like spicy food, find a Hunanese restaurant. There is also a dish called "Four Seasons" with green beans that is a great side.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:49 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 11, 2013 06:49 PM (lS4IX)
Posted by: Jake in ID at March 11, 2013 06:50 PM (zzeVM)
Posted by: Lurch Kerry at March 11, 2013 06:51 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Portugal at March 11, 2013 06:51 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 11, 2013 06:51 PM (4Mv1T)
Thai ass, the next day, however...not a fan.
Always thought you could conquer Thailand quite easily between 6 am and 10 am because of that.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 10:47 PM (lsEKO)
--I think the Thai people prefer water buffalo to ass.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:51 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: logprof
The thai food joints in the US are US chinese food plus pad thai and watered down curries. Maybe some lard na and tamarind fish for 'authenticity.'
You haven't had tom yun until you've had it in Thailand. Esophagus cauterizing goodness with some inedible chunks of wood left in the bottom of your bowl.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 06:51 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 11, 2013 06:51 PM (ORGYc)
Posted by: eman at March 11, 2013 06:51 PM (64rcm)
Posted by: Calvin Dodge at March 11, 2013 06:52 PM (nVJae)
The thai food joints in the US are US chinese food plus pad thai and watered down curries. Maybe some lard na and tamarind fish for 'authenticity.'
You haven't had tom yun until you've had it in Thailand. Esophagus cauterizing goodness with some inedible chunks of wood left in the bottom of your bowl.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 11, 2013 10:51 PM (/T+P
--I guess the Thai food here in Canada is better. 
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:52 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Jake in ID at March 11, 2013 06:53 PM (zzeVM)
Hit me again and put it on this guy's tab.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 06:53 PM (PcF5N)
Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at March 11, 2013 10:46 PM (B6nJ
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
But again, I was lost at Muslim.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 11, 2013 06:53 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 11, 2013 06:53 PM (ORGYc)
Posted by: Calvin Dodge at March 11, 2013 06:53 PM (nVJae)
Suddenly those European IKEA meatballs don't sound so bad...
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 06:54 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 06:54 PM (CA2NO)
I tried locking mine up, too. Then her parents found out about it. Called the cops. Huge mess.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 11, 2013 06:54 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Peaches at March 11, 2013 06:55 PM (AJM+z)
Ace, I (and others here) coulda told you in advance: Domenech was trash. A plagiarist back in the day, an unregistered foreign agent taking money under the table to pimp a regime now...some leopards never change their stripes.
MASSIVE props to Maetenloch for working the joke here the way he did. Brilliant stuff.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 06:55 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 10:45 PM
Phuket .. sounds like a name we should use for California
Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2013 06:55 PM (mCvL4)
>The thai food joints in the US are US chinese
food plus pad thai and watered down curries. Maybe some lard na and
tamarind fish for 'authenticity.' <<
The Thai ladies in the local Thai joint, here, would disagree.
When they aren't in Thailand, that is. God, I hate it when they go back to Thailand.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 06:56 PM (lsEKO)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 11, 2013 06:56 PM (eyJh9)
Posted by: alex® at March 11, 2013 06:56 PM (m9cpE)
The US and South Korea have been cutting deals with the Norks for decades. So far it has resulted in more North Koreans starving to death or eating their children. Not to mention all those South Korean sailors who were killed when the Norks sank their ship. The PRC is already dealing with waves of Nork refugees.
So there comes a time when everyone is sick of the mad dog of Pyongyang. I think we are at that time but doubt Gaylord Focker thinks so. So welcome to the Korean Police Action the Sequel as everyone misses their cues and plunges Asia into hell.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 06:56 PM (kXwK3)
Let's see...China wipes out the Nork army and 'provides' wives for its people offsetting its internal demographic problem with no one much complaining. Win-win.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 06:56 PM (hO9ad)
Ha! Ironically enough, he WAS a cob-logger for awhile!
Hopefully no longer.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 06:57 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: AltonJackson is still not diggin' the time change at March 11, 2013 06:57 PM (JMmQ9)
When they aren't in Thailand, that is. God, I hate it when they go back to Thailand.
Don't worry; they only have three more surgeries left.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 11, 2013 06:57 PM (DsPRa)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 11, 2013 10:56 PM (ORGYc)
--Yes, just like Szechwan has a distinct cuisine, so does Hunan. Not sure what J in ID got it confused with.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:57 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2013 06:58 PM (piMMO)
not sure the purpose of the Malaysia travelogue
Check #81 and google the words "Malaysia" and "Josh Trevino" and "Ben Domenech." All shall be revealed.
Extremely ugly stuff. Largely unremarked upon in the right-blogosphere, for reasons that sadly make me think of the lefty Kos Kidz circling the wagons around their own wounded horses.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 06:58 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Peaches at March 11, 2013 10:55 PM
According to Paul Krugman, The Big One would result in massive stimulous spending and California would piss honey and wine again
Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2013 06:58 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 06:59 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Sequester the robot terrorist at March 11, 2013 06:59 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 11, 2013 06:59 PM (4Mv1T)
MASSIVE props to Maetenloch for working the joke here the way he did. Brilliant stuff.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:55 PM (/COnL)
Oh wow! Completely missed that whole story. Trevino too?! Geez.....
Posted by: Tami [/i] at March 11, 2013 06:59 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 06:59 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 11, 2013 10:57 PM (DsPRa)
Laughing, but feeling bad about it. They are 3 generations of the sweetest little ladies I've ever known. The entire place is aunts, sisters, cousins, mom, daughters and grandkids.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 06:59 PM (lsEKO)
Dammit, the ONT is trolling us?
Is nothing sacred anymore?
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 07:00 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 11, 2013 07:00 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: paintyourjackwagon at March 11, 2013 07:00 PM (W7Y0R)
yeah that was a pretty good one too
WTF who would have come up with "robot terrorist" as the answer to the question of "what is a sequester"?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:00 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: AltonJackson is still not diggin' the time change at March 11, 2013 07:00 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 11, 2013 07:01 PM (ORGYc)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 11, 2013 07:01 PM (ORGYc)
Posted by: Jake in ID at March 11, 2013 07:01 PM (zzeVM)
I swear I'm not on the payroll, but anybody else here try the new pizza entrees at Chili's?
Had the Pepperoni pizza there tonight. Why does stuff that tastes THAT GOOD *always* come out when I'm trying to talk myself into starting a diet?!?
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:01 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: oldGAnewNC at March 11, 2013 07:02 PM (fbsR/)
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2013 10:51 PM (SAMxH)
Anybody who's still hot for his wife after 44 years has a keeper.
My plan is to die in the saddle at age 95.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2013 07:02 PM (3Mkrp)
On the plus side, at least it'll still be believable that Leia and Han are fairly close in age.
I'm sorry, Lacy; you were right. The years have indeed been rough on Carrie Fisher.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:02 PM (IlZPE)
>>>I wonder if they delete comments pointing out this was bipartisan corruption, or just no one ever mentions things like that.
Yeah, no question that this is a 'bipartisan' blogger-corruption scandal, since Jerome Armstrong (co-founder of DKos) was also involved, but you know what? Tu quoque is a bullshit rhetorical fallacy when THEY use it, and it's a bullshit rhetorical fallacy when we use it too. I liked Trevino a LOT...and now I quite simply think he's dirt. Can't trust him one iota.
Domenech has always been known to be garbage, so that's nothing new.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:02 PM (/COnL)
Longbows and Tom Kha > Crossbows and Tom Yum
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 07:03 PM (lsEKO)
Good times, good times.
Posted by: wholelottasplainin' at March 11, 2013 07:03 PM (WGOcs)
I figgured it was a province or region in asia and probably china, but yous guys are smart so rather than google it, I ping'd y'all and had a sip of beer.
thanks
y'all the smartest morons on the planet, but y'all know that also.
Posted by: Jake in ID at March 11, 2013 11:01 PM (zzeVM)
--Trust me, if you go to eastern Asia and like spicy food, get thee to a Hunanese restaurant. Damn good stuff.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 07:03 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Kwame Kilpatrick at March 11, 2013 07:04 PM (JQuNB)
How the hell did you get past the stench of those things?
Bottom of a dumpster smells great compared to a Durian.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2013 07:04 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:04 PM (kXwK3)
Posted by: Craig Poe at March 11, 2013 07:06 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2013 11:04 PM (SAMxH)
Never tried one, and I am in no rush.
Did you taste it?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2013 07:06 PM (3Mkrp)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:06 PM (bxiXv)
Bottom of a dumpster smells great compared to a Durian.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2013 11:04 PM (SAMxH)
--I remember when a friend of mine (fled Vietnam as a child with his family) celebrated Vietnamese New Year and cut open that shit. Smelled like it could dissolve paint.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 07:06 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Craig Poe at March 11, 2013 10:30 PM
All hail lucifer! I guess. If you feel like it. Hail, don't hail... Do whatever the hell you want. I don't care.
Posted by: a moderate satanist at March 11, 2013 07:06 PM (yBF/9)
___
So, uh, he's like a person with a Muslim name?
Its not Obama's dad is it?
Posted by: Your Average Obama Voter at March 11, 2013 07:06 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Portugal at March 11, 2013 07:07 PM (Vk2pI)
Happy ONT, everybody!
I'm a sad panda. There is a blacksmithing class the weekend after next and I have enough comp time that I could go, but unfortunately the weekend would cost me abou $700 and I just don't have the money right now.
Oh well, I guess I'll wait and try for the May class. 
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 11, 2013 07:07 PM (DsPRa)
Jeez, how much is Maet getting paid from the Malaysian Bureau of Tourism? That read like a press release.
Warm beaches and Thai food sounds wonderful after a long tough winter, but I can't afford to go there. Also, Maet did not answer the most important question: Can you drink there? If I can't have a margarita or a Mai Thai on the beach, it ain't worth going.
Posted by: Donna V. at March 11, 2013 07:07 PM (7FqJH)
Posted by: EBL at March 11, 2013 07:07 PM (XkmMw)
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Dude, the hotties in the robes aren't takin' him off with an attitude like that.
ALL HAIL SATAN. By having sex. With me.
Posted by: Your Average Satanist at March 11, 2013 07:07 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 07:08 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 07:08 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Harry Reid at March 11, 2013 07:08 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 07:09 PM (Vk2pI)
___
I'm up for it! Or, uh, more ready then up
Posted by: Stephen Hawkings at March 11, 2013 07:09 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Kwame Kilpatrick at March 11, 2013 07:09 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:10 PM (IlZPE)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 07:10 PM (Vk2pI)
Warm beaches and Thai food sounds wonderful after a long tough winter, but I can't afford to go there. Also, Maet did not answer the most important question: Can you drink there? If I can't have a margarita or a Mai Thai on the beach, it ain't worth going.
Posted by: Donna V. at March 11, 2013 11:07 PM (7FqJH)
--Cheapest place to get to over there is Hong Kong, and you don't need a visa if you're staying less than a week. Mind you, what you spend while you're there is higher than most nearby countries, but still not bad on balance. Plus, it's so cosmopolitan that you can enjoy a variety of cuisines in a small area.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 07:10 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 11:08 PM
52K words and counting, if you wanted to know.
Heck. 52K words and counting if you didn't want to know.
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 07:10 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (GEICT)
Powerball jackpot for Wednesday is a $183 million annuity.
Might be able to afford a Porsche after that. Plus an SLK. And perhaps a Lexus for a daily grocery getter.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (kXwK3)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (ORGYc)
Nope, I didn't taste it. Gagged bad enough I nearly puked trying.
Food is supposed to taste like you WANT to eat it.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Tami [/i] at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Donna V. at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (7FqJH)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 11, 2013 07:11 PM (SkyIE)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2013 07:12 PM (piMMO)
Define the vector coordinates for "up"
Okay, here we go. Yes, this is a real Q, and I don't have the math or physics background to know.
If a trebuchet was set to hurl a payload of, say, 100 lb, but was instead loaded with only 20 lb (for the payload- the bucket still filled the same) would the projectile actually travel 5x as far, or would it hit some outer limit first?
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 07:12 PM (nUH8H)
http://www.campnanowrimo.org/about
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:12 PM (kXwK3)
Posted by: Peaches at March 11, 2013 07:12 PM (AJM+z)
Will that class be offered again later, Alex? If so, maybe you could set up a Kickstarter account and put the link in your handle. It might be too late for this class, but at least you'd be well set for a later session. I'd kick in some cash, and I'm sure I'm not the only one here.
Heh thanks! I'm afraid I'm too proud to beg, especially for something that is a luxury. The truth is that I'm not hurting for cash; I just don't want to spend the money this month. There's another class in May, so I'll try to adjust my schedule to make that one instead.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 11, 2013 07:13 PM (DsPRa)
Posted by: Jake in ID at March 11, 2013 07:13 PM (zzeVM)
***
On second thought, commenting abut it IS funnier than just letting it slide.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2013 11:12 PM (piMMO)
Too late - fixed!
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 11, 2013 07:13 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Donna V. at March 11, 2013 11:11 PM (7FqJH)
--I dunno. Didn't go to the beach in Hong Kong! 
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 07:13 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: L, elle at March 11, 2013 07:13 PM (0PiQ4)
When it explodes into a ball of fire in the parking lot 10 minutes after you've signed the ironclad non-revocable lease?
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:13 PM (7B7jB)
AllenG, what's the physics question? Not guaranteeing I can answer it, but maybe I can help a teensy weensy bit
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:14 PM (BBWjt)
Good Swordsmen Are Hard to Find.
Tell me about it. I took on the entire Georgetown varsity and I wasn't impressed.
Posted by: Sandra Fluked at March 11, 2013 07:14 PM (7FqJH)
Posted by: old jokes at March 11, 2013 07:14 PM (ORGYc)
If a Mayor can't do things to make his city's populace healthier - what's the point of his job? Bloomberg's 100% right on supersized soda.
Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2013 07:14 PM (mCvL4)
why are you thinking about taking a blacksmithing class?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:14 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:14 PM (IlZPE)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:15 PM (kXwK3)
Way to go AllenG! Ready to try your hand at writing 50k words in a month?
Thanks, Anna P! It's nice to be able to share accomplishments with the writers at the HQ. My wife has been Alpha-Reading for me, and has been super supportive, but its hard for someone who hasn't done it to understand how emotionally draining it can be.
I think that's about what I've done, actually. Though I started in early (ish) February. Less than 30K words to go for my target.
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 07:15 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2013 07:15 PM (piMMO)
The nice thing about Morgan is that he largely self-refutes.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:15 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Ashley's Concerned at March 11, 2013 07:16 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 07:17 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 11, 2013 07:17 PM (n8LUb)
Posted by: The Pudding Hat at March 11, 2013 07:17 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:17 PM (IlZPE)
And the sticker price is $10.59 for a shrinkwrapped package of three at Costco.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:17 PM (7B7jB)
Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2013 07:17 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 11, 2013 11:11 PM (ORGYc)
You probably prefer Pollack to Cod, too.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 07:17 PM (Lm2Wl)
Alex, sorry to hear about your blacksmithing class woes
why are you thinking about taking a blacksmithing class?
I don't understand your question.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 11, 2013 07:18 PM (DsPRa)
Posted by: Sol Roth at March 11, 2013 07:19 PM (CypDC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:19 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:19 PM (IlZPE)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 11, 2013 07:20 PM (DsPRa)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at March 11, 2013 07:20 PM (KvKOu)
The word count can be variable. Plus they officially acknowledge it is okay to write short stories to meet the word count.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:20 PM (kXwK3)
And yet nobody (except Robert Stacey McCain, god bless him) is talking about this in the rightosphere. Why? Because "we have to cover for our friends."
Even when they're demonstrably corrupt?
Even when their continued association with you will affect the credibility of YOUR brand?
I guess what pisses me off the most about this is that a bunch of us have been warning Ace about Ben Domenech for YEARS now...he's just a bad apple all the way around. And now that it's been proven (for the second time!)...radio silence. Because, friends.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:20 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: AltonJackson is still not diggin' the time change at March 11, 2013 07:21 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:21 PM (BBWjt)
Seems like you rarely see any of those monstrosities that are older than five years. Then again, if you're wealthy enough to afford one, maybe that's the point.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:21 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 11, 2013 07:21 PM (ORGYc)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:21 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 11:19 PM (IlZPE)
I'd say just get Chinese, then. They only pee in the coke.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 07:21 PM (Lm2Wl)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:21 PM (IlZPE)
Posted by: all I see here at March 11, 2013 07:22 PM (VzstV)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 07:22 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:22 PM (kXwK3)
ChemJeff and AltonJackson:
Thanks. That was my thought, too. But I wanted to at least double-check my gut.
If we're wrong... well, I don't really care.
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 07:23 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: AltonJackson is still not diggin' the time change at March 11, 2013 07:23 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Ashley J and her Puffies at March 11, 2013 07:23 PM (3VhRQ)
??
There are less passive-aggressive ways to disagree with me, you know. Other people around here find a way to do it all the time. (Usual format: "Jeff B. is gay." Which, to be fair, cuts close to the bone!)
I mean, this IS a major component of tonight's ONT, so it's not like I'm veering off-topic in discussing it, am I?
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:23 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 07:23 PM (X9Mnx)
Their purpose is always the same, they have no money, they need money to keep the army and a very tiny elite class from becoming too disgruntled.
They puff out their chest, rant and rave because this has always gotten them what they want in the past.
Posted by: Shoey at March 11, 2013 07:24 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Jake in ID at March 11, 2013 07:24 PM (zzeVM)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 11, 2013 07:25 PM (JQuNB)
SE Asia is cheap and amazing. I really enjoyed Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia), though only having beef bacon at the Shangri-La was a bit sad
Still plenty of booze though.
Thailand is the Holy Grail for expats that want a nice lifestyle. Cheap, good food, cheap, plenty of beer, cheap, pretty ladies...
China is interesting (lived her for 4.5 years), but SE Asia is heaven.
Posted by: In Exile at March 11, 2013 07:25 PM (0401c)
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 07:25 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: AltonJacksonhttp://supplysidepolitics.blogspot.com/2013/03/another-success.html at March 11, 2013 07:25 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Kim Jon Un, the Un-Dictator at March 11, 2013 07:26 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:26 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 11, 2013 11:17 PM (n8LUb)
It's a horrible fruit....I have no idea what it taste like because, well, I could never get close enough or stop gagging long enough or had any desire to taste it. When we lived in Singapore it was everywhere. If we were behind a truck carrying them, my kids would crawl over the seats to get to the back of the car to get as far away from the truck as they possibly could.
Posted by: Tami [/i] at March 11, 2013 07:26 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 07:27 PM (Vk2pI)
I'll say no way.
The distance the payload travels is determined by the velocity it reaches coming off the trebuchet arm/sling, right? But the trebuchet is accelerating not just the 100 lb/20 lb payload, but all the mass of the trebuchet arm, bucket etc. Unless the payload is an enormous fraction of that entire mechanism, which it can't be, the speed of the payload is unlikely to change very much on release.
Half-assed guess, anyway.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 07:28 PM (JFr1A)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:28 PM (kXwK3)
That's the spirit.
See, this is why I consider garrett an AoSHQ buddy, even though he's basically never done anything except insult. It's because he knows how this game is played.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:28 PM (/COnL)
I'm looking forward to his next book, though: "Parliament of Whores"
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 07:28 PM (QTHTd)
Damn, but the comment thingie really doesn't like me to spell out the word B L A Z E R
Posted by: Rul at March 11, 2013 07:29 PM (CypDC)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:30 PM (IlZPE)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:31 PM (IlZPE)
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:31 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 11:12 PM
Intuitively, no. I also lack the physics skilz (I can do the math, just short on the physics).
I imagine the 20 lb. payload travelling quite a bit higher than the 100 lb. rock.
So maybe, the 20 lb. rock does travel 5x the distance, only more in the vertical; not necessarily farther horizontally
**********
Physics skillz?
I got yer physics skillz right here:
http://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/trebuchet-physics.html
Posted by: wholelottasplainin' at March 11, 2013 07:31 PM (WGOcs)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:31 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at March 11, 2013 07:32 PM (CrJzY)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at March 11, 2013 07:32 PM (QBDoj)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:32 PM (kXwK3)
Now ask yourself why that is. Trust me, it's been going great guns over on the lefty blogs (as R.S. McCain pointed out -- all you need to do is check Memeorandum to see). But other than McCain it's been a blackout over here. Despite the fact that this isn't a Tough Call.
I don't like that. I don't believe in this "protect our own" bullshit. You do that with family, friends in bar-fights, etc. But not in politics.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:32 PM (/COnL)
No, it's that you're a relentless bore.
Post some titty pics or shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 07:33 PM (JFr1A)
The hot car right now seems to be the BMW 328i/335i retractable-roof two-door. Every time I go out nowadays, seems like I see at least five of them. Anybody out there have one? Worth the monthly lease?
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:33 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: eman at March 11, 2013 07:33 PM (64rcm)
So what am I to make of all those things you were saying the other night when I was banging you?
In a manly way, that is. Like a viking.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:33 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:33 PM (7B7jB)
http://archive.adl.org/anti_semitism/malaysian_fallout_2.asp
So, leave your skullcap + Torah at home if you visit.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 07:34 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 11, 2013 07:34 PM (Pfm7z)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 11, 2013 07:35 PM (DsPRa)
I know, but it's like fighting over the last can of spam on the shelf.
Posted by: Rule #2 at March 11, 2013 07:35 PM (CypDC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:35 PM (bxiXv)
Damn, but the comment thingie really doesn't like me to spell out the word B L A Z E R
Posted by: Rul at March 11, 2013 11:29 PM (CypDC)
--Hence, my comment at #4. bl@zer was banned from way back (not a troll, just a troublemaker and a Redskins fan).
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 07:35 PM (+iA5G)
I'm torn between the fact that I sort of like you and the fact that I fucking loathe California and wish to see it break off and fall into the ocean.
My solution: move to Arizona. Prospective beachfront property!
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:36 PM (/COnL)
So what the fuck is a "come visit sunny Malaysia, goyim!" ad doing on the ONT anyway?
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 07:36 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:36 PM (bxiXv)
You need to save it for the next big Ace "state of conservatism" rant and drop it in there, for maximum rage factor.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:37 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Lex Luthor at March 11, 2013 07:37 PM (jlTjT)
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:37 PM (BBWjt)
How far could a trebuchet toss a rusty '70 Targa?
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 07:37 PM (JFr1A)
NO!! No! No way! Uh-uh! Not gonna happen! It better not!!!
I'm practically a walking liver spot as it is.
Posted by: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) at March 11, 2013 07:38 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: AltonJacksonhttp://supplysidepolitics.blogspot.com/2013/03/another-success.html at March 11, 2013 07:38 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 11:33 PM (/COnL)
Like a Viking with a AAA battery in his pocket! Were you in the pool or something?
If it wasn't for your occasional outburst of humor, your smugness would be completely overwhelming.
[Actually, it was you being a pretty good sport about your girl that forces me to tolerate your shennanigans. Someone who can take that kind of abuse has to be ok. Gay. But ok.]
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 07:38 PM (Lm2Wl)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 07:39 PM (Vk2pI)
But the first sentence or paragraph has got to grip the reader. Make them hungry to read the rest of the story. One year at Project A-kon they had a panel that included Bill Fawcett and his wife. All it was about was making that killer first line. One example they held up was the opening sentence from Anne McCaffrey's 'Dragonflight.' - "Lessa woke, cold."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:39 PM (kXwK3)
Folks, you are totally wasting this trebuchet discussion in the ONT.
You need to save it for the next big Ace "state of conservatism" rant and drop it in there, for maximum rage factor.
Trebuche vs. Ballista. GO!
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 11, 2013 07:39 PM (DsPRa)
no shit
try this instead
http://tinyurl.com/bcqak7h
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:39 PM (BBWjt)
That`s a joke right?
Here`s from an article by MggPillai (decd) journalist:
Dato’ Seri Najib kicked the ball first to insist to insist none should openly debate if Muslims could slander the followers of other religions, and promised to investigate the site, “Malaysia Today”.
But what Raja Petra complains of is true. Non-Malays living in the
vicinity of mosques in Kuala Lumpur hear this call to arms against the
non-Muslims through high-pitches megaphones often enough to be dismissed
as untrue. I suspect Dr Yusof is annoyed a Muslim has spilled the
beans; if a non-Muslim had done so, he could be ignored.
-MggPillai [2004-12-17]
Posted by: Adelpha at March 11, 2013 07:40 PM (p4hw0)
Its a real Porsche this time. Just a bit of surface rust and other issues. But it is still air-cooled and rear-engined.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:40 PM (kXwK3)
Posted by: Tami [/i] at March 11, 2013 07:41 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 07:42 PM (JFr1A)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:42 PM (bxiXv)
anyway, that is the basis for any story that I have any hope of completing. maybe I can put some effort into it next month.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:43 PM (BBWjt)
Energy imparted to the projectile would be the same, I think. Kinetic energy is proportional to velocity squared. The vertical velocity is proportional to the flight time (namely time=twice that component divided by gravity acceleration). Flight time times horizontal velocity gives distance. Since flight time increase by the square root of 5, and horizontal velocity does as well. you get 5x the range. In theory. I think. High school physics has been a while.
Obviously for some situations, drag is going to shorten your range (as the projectile neither goes as high or horizontally fast as it does in theory), and for large amounts of energy, the curvature of the earth becomes a factor.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 07:43 PM (hO9ad)
You know how I know you're not a concern troll (other than the fact that I happened to be around when you first started posting, that is)? The fact that your nick is taken from one of my favorite bizarro stories featured here, about the weird hippie freak who lurked at the bottom of porta-johns because...he was into women's excretions.
Only someone who was in it for realz would pick that name and stick with it.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:43 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 07:43 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 11:43 PM (FMbng)
I might visit as the captain of some plague ship (a plague to which I had immunity of course)
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:45 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:45 PM (kXwK3)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:45 PM (IlZPE)
>>the weird hippie freak who lurked at the bottom of porta-johns because...he was into women's excretions.
They never would have found him if he didn't pull on that tampon string.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 07:46 PM (Lm2Wl)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 07:46 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: zsasz at March 11, 2013 07:46 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at March 11, 2013 07:47 PM (IlZPE)
and never the twain shall meet
Posted by: Major _____ de Coverly at March 11, 2013 07:47 PM (Dll6b)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1404783
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:47 PM (kXwK3)
Whoops. Yeah, there's that. What I wrote might be true for a rail gun. Maybe.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 07:47 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2013 07:48 PM (kXwK3)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 11:46 PM (Lm2Wl)
heh
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 11, 2013 07:48 PM (/7Xis)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 11, 2013 07:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2013 07:48 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 11:43 PM (FMbng
--Oh no, Indonesia is a cool Muslim nation to visit . . . as long as you visit Bali (the Hindu part).
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 07:48 PM (+iA5G)
I still say that the only way I would ever visit a muslim nation is in my own private deathstar.
...or riding on a pig swinging a hamflail
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 07:48 PM (Lm2Wl)
One of the most striking videos that I viewed in the weeks after the Japan Earthquake was the I-Phone vid showing a home computer in what appears to be someone's ground floor home/office and the monitor is showing the alert system displaying a map of japan with color coded areas along the coast in red and orange and and a BIG red dot off the coast with concentric rings radiating outward and a soft computer gen'd female voice calmly doing this...."countdown".
What was the most awesome thing to me and I just wish I could have saved at least This One to my files (SERIOUS!! like a 20 + second heads-up!), was when the countdown reached "0" the room where this vid was being shot started to shake apart with stuff falling off shelfs and such. Even better for the effect was a window looking out onto what seemed like a street scene near a port with the multitudes of buildings in the background shaking with the various overhead powerlines dancing the dance and people frozen in their tracks just trying to remain upright. What amazes me most was that whoever with the I-phone just stayed there recording all of this.
Wish I could find that one again
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 07:49 PM (Cd7O2)
You could accomplish the same thing by dropping a planeload of frozen burritos just behind the armistice line.
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 11, 2013 07:49 PM (BxRmn)
Isn't that guy now one of the senior advisers at Obama's Department of Energy?
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:49 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Corona at March 11, 2013 07:50 PM (fh2Y7)
Posted by: Hillary RODHAM Clinton, former Secretary of State, thank you very much at March 11, 2013 07:51 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 11, 2013 07:51 PM (/7Xis)
Isn't that guy now one of the senior advisers at Obama's Department of Energy?
no silly, he's now Obama's Czar on Women's Health
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:51 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 11:37 PM (/COnL)
Well, some of us need practice so as not to look like idiots.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 07:51 PM (hO9ad)
although my Tilted Kilt pics don't seem to be doing much either. eh.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:52 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 07:52 PM (X9Mnx)
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:53 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 11, 2013 07:53 PM (Pfm7z)
I had no idea the old dinosuar media was so close to collapse... there may be hope yet.
Posted by: Shoey at March 11, 2013 07:53 PM (m6OUa)
There ain't never no way I'm not gonna look like an idiot when discussing math or physics. 95% of the reason I became an attorney (after training as a historian and a musician) is because, each time, I was Promised There Would Be No Math.
Irony: my dad is a physicist and mathematician. Yes, he's ashamed of me.
(But not for that reason.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:54 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:54 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2013 07:55 PM (5H6zj)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB1Q-PfUvN0
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:55 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:55 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 11, 2013 07:55 PM (/7Xis)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 07:56 PM (Vk2pI)
Which is, needless to say, a major step down. For reasons that should be obvious when considered from a posterior angle.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:57 PM (/COnL)
Had some really great-tasting pepperoni pizza at Chili's tonight. They just added it to the menu.
They must be hurting hard from the competition at Buffalo Wild Wings and other newer places...
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 07:58 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 07:58 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2013 07:59 PM (5H6zj)
Actually I've never been. I'm just going on the pic you linked, plus theoretical considerations. Hey, it's all taste anyway.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 07:59 PM (/COnL)
I used to wear panty-hose when I was flying Air-Rescue with a "Parks-Police" Helo unit
No really..........
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 07:59 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 11, 2013 08:00 PM (Pfm7z)
I had the pepperoni. Quite tasty. NO chile, green or otherwise... but besides pepperoni, they also have Taco Pizza, Southwestern Chicken Pizza, and a cheese pizza that I believe has some pepper jack and mild types of chiles on it.
Like I said, they've really overhauled the menu. They must be scrambling for increased market share.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:01 PM (7B7jB)
'She was a be-bop baby on a hard day's night...'
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:01 PM (D5hLZ)
Posted by: Hey-Zeus at March 11, 2013 08:01 PM (rQs7E)
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2013 11:53 PM (5H6zj)
--I believe it's a chain bar some of the Fleebaggers from WI patronized in IL.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 08:01 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 11, 2013 08:02 PM (JMmQ9)
http://tinyurl.com/bw4gwsl
sadly it is in South Korea and therefore about to be bombed
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 08:02 PM (BBWjt)
Well, you have to click on another link.
At which point you, OK, I, am thinking there'd better be some Mila Kunis at the end of this or So Not Worth It.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 08:03 PM (JFr1A)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:03 PM (/COnL)
Supposedly Vietnam-era foot soldiers also wore pantyhose if they knew they would have to trudge through flea-infested areas, or swamps. The hose would frustrate the fleas and make it next to impossible for leeches to stick too long.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:03 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:03 PM (D5hLZ)
and never the twain shall meet
Posted by: Major _____ de Coverly at March 11, 2013 11:47 PM
That's my attitude. Behind every "moderate" muslim there is 95% of his country wishing they could stone his ass along with the rest of us.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 08:04 PM (FMbng)
You kidding? Bitch, I've been in The Barrel™ since 2007 or so, broadly speaking.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:04 PM (/COnL)
Had some really great-tasting pepperoni pizza at Chili's tonight. They just added it to the menu.
They must be hurting hard from the competition at Buffalo Wild Wings and other newer places...
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 11:58 PM (7B7jB)
--To me they're different animals. I go to BWW for the multiple TVs during football season and the free Wi-Fi, and I go to Chili's when it's the only restaurant within walking distance of the hotel where I'm staying.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 08:04 PM (+iA5G)
holding up okay, it is spring break for me so taking it easy mostly, just doing some grading and writing mainly
glad that you are getting to babysit your nephew, I am sure he's a cutie
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 08:05 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:05 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:06 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:06 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2013 08:06 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:07 PM (7B7jB)
or, it's just a stupid coincidence
one or the other
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 08:07 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 11, 2013 08:07 PM (JMmQ9)
Peter Gabriel ROCKS!!!!1!
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:08 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 08:08 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 11:56 PM
Huge truth there. My grandparents were all from Italy. There is nothing at olive garden that I recognize taste wise. I was only in one once, and that was enough.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 08:08 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 12:08 AM (yijvE)
You have not yet begun to feel our wrath.
Posted by: Cherry Py and the Hamsters at March 11, 2013 08:09 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 11, 2013 08:09 PM (Pfm7z)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 11, 2013 08:10 PM (qyv02)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 12, 2013 12:07 AM (7B7jB)
yup, either that or Howard Johnson's
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 08:10 PM (BBWjt)
Peter Gabriel ROCKS
Well, I'm on board as far as the Hooters go, but I get off the boat somewhere before Genesis and Peter Gabriel.
Why Peter Gabriel and Genesis when you can listen to Peter Murphy and BAUHAUS?
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:10 PM (D5hLZ)
I've been here since 2002-2003 (fuck, it's been so long I can't actually remember when this blog started...whenever that was is the answer). I've been in THE BARREL since 2007. You know, when I went full-tilt RINO and all.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:11 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 11, 2013 08:11 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 11, 2013 08:12 PM (Sptt8)
Other than that, not very familiar with Bauhaus.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:12 PM (7B7jB)
hey you've got a little climber, good for you - that means you can trick him into going up and down the stairs to go get stuff and therefore tucker him out
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 08:12 PM (BBWjt)
Or you could do like I do and listen to both.
Seriously though, have you heard Peter Gabriel 3? (It's the one where his face is melting on the cover). As a Bauhaus fan, you would DEFINITELY enjoy that one. Still one of the most disturbing records ever released during the post-punk era. Caused the execs at Gabriel's record label to (no joke) ask him if he had mental problems.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:12 PM (/COnL)
That's not what the barrel is.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 08:13 PM (JFr1A)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:13 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:14 PM (QTHTd)
There are many barrels, my friend. Some which may have yet to be revealed to you, in fact...
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:14 PM (/COnL)
Hi everyone!
Can't stick around due to an early roll out in the a.m. Just thought I would share my basic philosophy of life..... what smart women want is a real man with a clean heart and a filthy mind.
Carry on.
Posted by: madamemayhem at March 11, 2013 08:14 PM (S2RnE)
And its cover image is disturrrbing...
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:15 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:15 PM (D5hLZ)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 08:15 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 08:15 PM (FMbng)
354
GOT-CHA!!
True this is, Taught to me by Navy S.A.R dudes of the most awesome.
When in the Helo..(which is most hot and noisy) you have to strip outta your flight jumper and into your 3mm wet suit for a water insertion rescue....
you wear the FULL PANTY so you can transition into said wet-suit....quick!
Otherwise if not full panty....you waste valuable time......try getting into a 3mm wet-suit on a hot summer's day with no panty's or baby powder, your so fucked and the person you were sent to rescue....dies
Like that.....
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 08:15 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: angel with a sword at March 11, 2013 08:16 PM (3RiPs)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 11, 2013 08:16 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:16 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: In Exile at March 11, 2013 08:16 PM (0401c)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 08:16 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 11, 2013 08:16 PM (Pfm7z)
If you're a Bauhaus fan, am I safe in assuming that you're familiar with the following: Can, Neu!, Wire, Magazine, Public Image Ltd.
If so, you and I may be fair simpatico music-wise. Genesis may actually technically be my favorite group of all time, but postpunk is the genre I love the most.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:17 PM (/COnL)
Vampires that actually... BITE people. And the victims actually die as a result. OMG!
Plus lots of early-80s, pre-PC makeouts... including one between Deneuve and Sarandon. Yikes!
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:17 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: The Political Kilt at March 11, 2013 08:17 PM (Vk2pI)
Well is you scroll around RSM's blog long enough, you'll find one of his Rule 5 posts, which is kinda worth it.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 08:18 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 11, 2013 08:18 PM (Pfm7z)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:18 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 12, 2013 12:16 AM (QTHTd)
thanks, hadn't heard that song in a long time
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 08:18 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 08:18 PM (X9Mnx)
Posted by: Berserker at March 12, 2013 12:15 AM (FMbng)
Congrats, man! That is awesome.
Nothing like getting your hands on a rare bird that you've been chasing for years. How's the neck carve on that thing? I have always wondered what those had for neck carves.
Bonus - You don't have to do a fret job for a while.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:19 PM (D5hLZ)
Hey, can somebody tell me what the fuck the cover image of PG4/Security actually IS? I can't make it out. Looks like a blurry image of a guy with his face sqwunched up or something.
I think it's the weakest of the first four "self-titled" records, actually.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:19 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Sandra Fluked at March 11, 2013 08:20 PM (7FqJH)
I admit it doesn't quite make sense for it to be Gabriel. Who would know if it wasn't???
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:20 PM (7B7jB)
what is happening
Talking about Genesis, Peter Gabriel, and Bauhaus.
You might as well go back to bed.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:21 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:21 PM (7B7jB)
Peter Gabriel to me was the pussy who wrote "In Your Eyes" and "Sledgehammer".
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:21 PM (QTHTd)
That IS the thing about MUZZIES within our borders
THEY FUCKING LIE LIKE LAS VEGAS HOOKERS....
other than that....they seem like nice people.....
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 08:22 PM (Cd7O2)
Having said that... IMHO it's still great, and I still want to check out his earlier stuff.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:22 PM (7B7jB)
well, there's always handcuffs and rope
but, loving loving rope
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 08:22 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy
Damn bebe! I could interpret that 2 different ways. Both of them make me think I should go wake hubbymayhem up and totally ruin peaceful slumber.
Posted by: madamemayhem at March 11, 2013 08:23 PM (S2RnE)
Peter Gabriel to me was the pussy who wrote "In Your Eyes" and "Sledgehammer".
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 12, 2013 12:21 AM (QTHTd)
That was PG mk IV or VI or something. Earlier PG was serious prime weirdness.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 08:24 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: chemjeff at March 11, 2013 08:24 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 11, 2013 08:24 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 08:24 PM (yijvE)
I didn't realize the Tilted Kilt was a chain. So our "lawmakers" ran across the state border to gawk at chicks in kilts while grinding government reforms to a halt? OK, now I'm pissed all over again.
So glad we won that one.
Posted by: Donna V. at March 11, 2013 08:24 PM (7FqJH)
but, loving loving rope
Posted by: chemjeff at March 12, 2013 12:22 AM (BBWjt)
--Arguably the best Hitchcock movie, if you haven;t seen it yet.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 08:24 PM (+iA5G)
Funny, though, how so many cutting-edge rockers become softy MOR "meep-meep" machines in their 40s and beyond. Phil Collins is (unfortunately) a prime example. He had TONS of edge in his music in 1982... and was turned into practically a music-making teddy bear by 1994. Sad.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:24 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at March 11, 2013 08:25 PM (Jcd0S)
postpunk is the genre I love the most.
Nothing wrong with Post Punk. I am a big Wire fan and am certainly familiar with the others.
PiL is hit and miss for me. Sometimes I dig them, others I get bored and want to hear some SLAYER!
My tastes are all over the map, but I do love me some late 70's and early 80's music. P-Rock, Metal, any Wave, it is all fine by me.
Been listening to a ton of Classical and Opera lately. Ever since Goodwill had their LPs marked at 50% off I've been scrubbing and spinning old boxed sets.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:25 PM (D5hLZ)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 11, 2013 08:26 PM (Pfm7z)
Peter Gabriel to me was the pussy who wrote "In Your Eyes" and "Sledgehammer".
I was zero years old when Peter Gabriel 3 was released and all of six when Invisible Touch and "Sledgehammer" were storming up the charts. I just went back and DID MY RESEARCH, BRO.
Seriously though...Peter Gabriel 3 is one of the all-time great postpunk albums, and all the more amazing given that it comes from someone who was a musical veteran basically learning how to reinvent himself. Also, it more or less created the drum sound of the '80s (for better or worse), the cymbal-less gated reverb "THUD-THUD" heard on the first track "Intruder" (and played by former band-mate Phil Collins).
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:26 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:26 PM (QTHTd)
Talk about a haunting/disturbing song...
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:27 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:28 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Tom Cruise at March 11, 2013 08:28 PM (jlTjT)
http://tinyurl.com/bg2zt9z
All you need to do is listen to the first 15 seconds to realize that, um, this sure as shit ain't the "In Your Eyes" dude.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:28 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 11, 2013 08:28 PM (Pfm7z)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvFejxprII
This is why the 80s exist
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:29 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 11, 2013 08:29 PM (Sptt8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvFejxprII
This is why the 80s exist
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 12, 2013 12:29 AM (QTHTd)
Wait 'til you hit "No Self Control".
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 08:31 PM (kaalw)
Actually the one from that album (PG3) that did it for me was "Family Snapshot." I still get blown away by the originality of that one...completely subverts your expectations of what it's going to be about as you listen to it unfold, and then about a minute in it turns into the darkest fucking thing imaginable....and yet still beautiful, sad, tragically moving.
Listen, folks, this album is basically flawless. It ends with one of the three or four greatest protest songs ever recorded as well: "Biko."
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:31 PM (/COnL)
First LP album I ever bought, with Christmas money, in 1983. Loved to play it (and watch the Atlantic label go round and round) on my also-then-brand-new Technics SLB-200 belt-drive turntable (which actually still works).
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:31 PM (7B7jB)
Talk about a haunting/disturbing song...
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 12, 2013 12:27 AM (7B7jB)
--Listen to a Suicide album and then listen to MBV's Loveless. Their song "Loomer" especially owes a lot to classic Suicide.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 08:32 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:33 PM (7B7jB)
Good catch, and that's quite a debt indeed because "Loomer" is one of the two best songs on Loveless (which itself is one of the greatest records of the 1990s...there still hasn't been anything recorded that sounds like it).
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:34 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:34 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:34 PM (7B7jB)
Nothing like getting your hands on a rare bird that you've been chasing for years. How's the neck carve on that thing? I have always wondered what those had for neck carves.
Bonus - You don't have to do a fret job for a while.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 12:19 AM (D5hLZ)
The neck is killer, very comfy and fast. It has a 1 9/16 nut width, but doesn't feel like a small neck. I like the 50's style necks, but this one don't seem annoyingly small, probably along the lines of the '61 LP/SG. Its a very early Batch 1, probably one of the first 15 made.. Yeah I'm happy it was a refret, even better was that they used that dimarzio jumbo wire. Had it been refretted with the low wides I would have yanked them. That was one of the reasons it took so long for me to get one. I wanted an unmolested one with no mods, and they figure only about 30 or so of these are left unmolested, but I wanted a refretted one so I could put bigger frets in if it didn't already have them. It was a tall order.
Even though I'm a metal head, I didn't want one that belonged to a metal head. lol
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 08:34 PM (FMbng)
Alright. Just short of 54K words. 25 Chapters done.
I'm going to bed.
Night, All.
And remember: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 08:35 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 08:35 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: 11B40 at March 11, 2013 08:38 PM (mECiY)
It's basically one of the most perfect lyrics ever written.
I still remember how I felt the first time I listened to the song, thinking it was going to be about one thing, and then I heard Gabriel "and the Governor's car is not far behind..." and realize oh shit this is about something else entirely. Superbly executed narrative drama.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:39 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 08:40 PM (+iA5G)
1983 you could have opted for ;
Hootenanny - The Replacements
Out of Step - Minor Threat
What Makes a Man Start Fires - The Minutemen
Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes
Piece of Mind - Iron Maiden
Suicidal Tendencies - Suicidal Tendencies
Kill'em All - Metallica
Punch the Clock - Elvis Costello
Rant'n Rave - Stray Cats
Show No Mercy - Slayer
or, if you're gay like JeffB you could have got REM's Murmer and War by the most overrated band, ever.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:40 PM (KqUQh)
Maetenloch, go ahead and delete my post now you coward. You promote some Islamic scum country but bash Christian Mexicans. Speaks volumes about the conservative movement and why I left.
Enjoy your new Islamic buddies bitches!
Posted by: Blog is funny at March 11, 2013 08:41 PM (cnCxk)
Posted by: Weirddave at March 11, 2013 08:43 PM (aH+zP)
Hi, Hector!
Use your mouse pointer. It helps
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:43 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: \m/ The Political Hat \m/ at March 11, 2013 08:43 PM (Vk2pI)
The only one of those whose names I would have recognized in 1983 was Stray Cats, and maybe Elvis Costello (but I couldn't have named a song by him then). And I admit it: by the spring of 1984, I had purchased and enjoyed, and still do enjoy, REM's Reckoning and U2's War.
My music renaissance-- and realizing I had a long, long way to go and a lot of money to spend before realizing my ideal record collection-- started when I made a (really, really bad) attempting at DJing at Long Beach City College's student radio station, KLBC. I finally got to hear some of the stuff I had been reading about.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:44 PM (7B7jB)
Maetenloch, go ahead and delete my post now you coward. You promote some Islamic scum country but bash Christian Mexicans. Speaks volumes about the conservative movement and why I left.
Enjoy your new Islamic buddies bitches!
Posted by: Blog is funny at March 12, 2013 12:41 AM (cnCxk)
--Okay, I dunno whether I am engaging a troll or a froll, but just where did Maet mention Christian Mexicans?
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 08:44 PM (+iA5G)
Even though I'm a metal head, I didn't want one that belonged to a metal head. lol
Heh - What do you have against the Brass Nut?!
Almost every late 60's/early 70's gibby I see has or had a brass nut installed at one point.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:44 PM (lufVI)
Posted by: \m/ The Political Hat \m/ at March 11, 2013 08:45 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Mr Mackey at March 11, 2013 08:45 PM (Pfm7z)
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 08:45 PM (FMbng)
Whatever the raging runt from Pyongyang wants, it should be denied him....I just don't think our govt has the balls to stand up to him.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 11, 2013 10:56 PM (eyJh9)
====
For the first time ever it occurred to me that he'd probably get a percentage. Fuck. I hate it when I miss the angles.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 08:46 PM (PlzOe)
1.) Murmur is IMO the single greatest debut album of all time, and I speak as a guy who knows what the fuck he's talking about in terms of music history.
2.) War is okay. Half-crap, but the good half doesn't suck just because U2 subsequently went on to become overblown stadium rock.
3.) Of the albums you listed, I adore What Makes A Man Start Fires (I am a FREAK for the Minutemen), like Hootenanny (fun stuff, but it ain't no Let It Be), enjoy the Minor Threat LP (all 15 minutes of it!), and think Punch The Clock is underrated but not Elvis' best work. Also, you forgot the following great LPs: Power, Corruption & Lies (New Order's best long-player), Porcupine (a great Echo & The Bunnymen record, home of "The Cutter" and "Heads Will Roll"), and a bunch of others.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:46 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 08:47 PM (yijvE)
I get the impression that some people were worried about getting nuked.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:47 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:48 PM (9Rwbt)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:49 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: .87c at March 11, 2013 08:49 PM (+Sb+o)
Posted by: Weirddave at March 11, 2013 08:49 PM (aH+zP)
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 08:49 PM (JFr1A)
I pity people who like postpunk but haven't heard the song "Leave Me Alone." It's far and away my favorite New Order song.
FOR FUCK'S SAKE PEOPLE LISTEN TO THIS SONG:
http://tinyurl.com/bx6vfua
YOU CANNOT LISTEN TO THE FIRST 30 SECONDS OF THIS SONG AND NOT LIKE IT INSTANTLY.
Great music for 1:00AM, too.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:50 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Technique at March 11, 2013 08:50 PM (QTHTd)
Almost every late 60's/early 70's gibby I see has or had a brass nut installed at one point.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 12:44 AM (lufVI)
Man no shit, some of my own had the brass nut back in the 80's, one still does. I was more afraid of the typical mod of losing that vibrola thing and drilling it for the stop bar, plus I wanted the original pots and pickups. I have a fleet of combat ready flying Vs with hot pickups, so I was going purist on this one.
Actually I'm glad I never bought a burst back then when they were cheap, it probably would have ended up with a floyd rose bridge. The evil that men do. lol
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 08:50 PM (FMbng)
While I wasn't crazy about it, I thought it was good stuff. But it definitely helped to broaden my awareness, understanding and enjoyment of other non-Billboard Hot 100 new wave and other rock bands of the time as well.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:50 PM (7B7jB)
The Minutemen defined DiY West Coast P-Rock.
D. Boone remains one of the most fearless guitarists, ever. and what do you say about Watt and Hurley.
I can't agree w/you re- REM's Murmer. Not even close.
The greatest debut, ever, is Black Sabbath's, 'Black Sabbath'.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:51 PM (9Rwbt)
we do so rock..to the songs that plant a flag in the time and space that was our lives at.....THAT....EXACT......MOMENT!
Nothing wrong with that....it is the "Snap-Shot", of that place we smile about.
Though there are equal snapshots....of...places...we frown about......
you know I am right....so what are THOSE songs?...come on fess up!!!!
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 08:51 PM (Cd7O2)
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Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2013 08:51 PM (mCvL4)
Even better is "Do You Want New Wave, Or Do You Want The Truth?"
Great song, too. More of a speech set to some very moody music, but a memorable one.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:51 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Weirddave at March 12, 2013 12:49 AM (aH+zP)
I found it a bit creepy, myself.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 08:51 PM (kaalw)
He didn't. I think it's refering to the fact that some of us think we should put half as much effort into defending our southern border as the Mexicans do theirs.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 08:51 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 11, 2013 08:51 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 12:48 AM (9Rwbt)
--'84 was better. Husker Du's Zen Arcade and Minutemen's Double Nickles on the Dime in the record stores; Purple Rain on the radio.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 08:51 PM (+iA5G)
1983 you could have opted for ;
Hootenanny - The Replacements
Out of Step - Minor Threat
What Makes a Man Start Fires - The Minutemen
Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes
Piece of Mind - Iron Maiden
Suicidal Tendencies - Suicidal Tendencies
Kill'em All - Metallica
Punch the Clock - Elvis Costello
Rant'n Rave - Stray Cats
Show No Mercy - Slayer
or, if you're gay like JeffB you could have got REM's Murmer and War by the most overrated band, ever.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 12:40 AM (KqUQh)
Jeez louise, those bring back some memories.
Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at March 11, 2013 08:51 PM (LUNw+)
I was thinking...... then I thought better
I'll drink some....then re-think that....unless,
Posted by: Richard at March 12, 2013 12:36 AM (Cd7O2)
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Harrumph !!!
http://tinyurl.com/bznlftz
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 08:52 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 08:52 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: Prepositions Fists And A Fish at March 11, 2013 08:52 PM (4Vr+0)
You must listen to the full version of "Elegia" if you can find it. Also "Perfect Kiss" is perfect only on the "Substance" mix, but I assume you knew that.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:52 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 08:52 PM (+iA5G)
The Minutemen defined DiY West Coast P-Rock.
D. Boone remains one of the most fearless guitarists, ever. and what do you say about Watt and Hurley.
I can't agree w/you re- REM's Murmer. Not even close.
The greatest debut, ever, is Black Sabbath's, 'Black Sabbath'.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 12:51 AM (9Rwbt)
Greatest debut album? David + David / "Welcome to the Boomtown"
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 08:53 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 12:47 AM (yijvE)
It's a troll. Apparently Hector rather than Derp, but I can't be bothered to check the hash.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 08:53 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:54 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 11, 2013 08:54 PM (Pfm7z)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:54 PM (9Rwbt)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:55 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 11, 2013 08:55 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 12, 2013 12:46 AM (/COnL)
--It was actually my favorite U2 album. Also, while I have not bought anything they have released in the last two decades, I at least give them credit for changing their sound every few years like Joy Division or MBV did (in shorter time frames), when they easily could have just been a nostalgia touring act.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 08:56 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 08:56 PM (9Rwbt)
Big Country was the ultimate in Scottish folk-metal. Plus it was only in the last few years how much I've noticed how some of it (like Harvest Home) sounds almost like American country music pumped up with mindbending steroids.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 08:57 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 11, 2013 08:57 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 08:57 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: buzzion at March 11, 2013 08:57 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 08:57 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 12:53 AM
All hail the bad ass!! lol
I have an unopened one from back in the day and a few others in a box that I removed from the few guitars I bought that had them. They were ok, but these days if I had anything with a wrap tail I would just use the stock lightweight aluminum job.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 08:58 PM (FMbng)
Meh, a 16 minute version of a static instrumental? Give me Brian Eno, plz.
I'm not a fan of Low-Life, with the exception of "The Perfect Kiss" (which, as you said, is 10,000 times better in its lengthy 12" single version) and "Sooner Than You Think." Really I think New Order's only great LP was Power, Corruption & Lies, though every record they did before Republic had some great album-only stuff on it. (The best ones? "Vanishing Point" from Technique, "Broken Promise" and "All Day Long" from Brotherhood, "Sooner Than You Think" from Low Life, "Age Of Consent," "Your Silent Face," and "Leave Me Alone" from PC&L. Movement is kind of a mess, but a fascinating mess.)
They were, needless to say, a nonpareil singles group. In particular the early stuff (1980-1983), from when they still had a bit of the Joy Division sound, is fascinating.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 08:59 PM (/COnL)
In 1984 you could have purchased My War by Black Flag and Bananarama's debut in the same month.
...all the while knowing that Ace ws rocking out to 'Welcome to the Pleasuredome'.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:00 PM (9Rwbt)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 09:00 PM (X9Mnx)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:00 PM (7B7jB)
513
It has to be done from time to time...a CLEANING of the moor, lifting the bodies long since dead, I choose to drink the double Martini's with the double-barrel Olives...and once drunk...play the jester/"What-Me!!" phlange-stopper/guest....
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 09:01 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 09:01 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 09:01 PM (TvO05)
It was a wildly mixed bag, as I recall. Probably the most memorable song to me was a really out-there cover of "Born to Run."
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:02 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 09:02 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 09:04 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 09:04 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at March 11, 2013 09:05 PM (LUNw+)
>>FGTH's Pleasuredome
You couldn't bring yourself to type the whole name, could you?
...you aren't fooling Echelon.
To be fair to you, I'll admit to buying Giuffria's debut album. in...1984.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:06 PM (rp0nH)
I admit I had a policy back then: I'd buy singles or albums, but NOT remix EPs unless I was absolutely batshit crazy about the song. I felt like I had to budget my meager earnings somewhere, and that was where I set the line, right or wrong. So I missed a lot of "full" versions of 1980s songs.
My big exception was "The Love Cats" by The Cure; they could have made a three-hour-long version of that one song, and I probably still would have loved every second of it.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:06 PM (7B7jB)
Yes, but My War was a disappointing piece of shit, so there's that.
People who say the 1980s sucked musically either weren't around for it, or only listened to bullshit on the radio. In 1983 I have the albums you mentioned plus Husker Du's Metal Circus, Genesis' self-titled LP, The Cure's Japanese Whispers, Prince's 1999, The Police's Synchronicity, etc. '84 has Double Nickels, Reckoning, Ocean Rain, The Unforgettable Fire, Purple Rain, Let It Be, Zen Arcade, It's My Life, etc.
Hey garret...you a fan of The Fall? That's a whole 'nother can o'worms right there.
Don't even get me started about Talk Talk. I might bust a vein raving about The Colour Of Spring and Spirit Of Eden.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 09:06 PM (/COnL)
Define the vector coordinates for "up"
Okay, here we go. Yes, this is a real Q, and I don't have the math or physics background to know.
If a trebuchet was set to hurl a payload of, say, 100 lb, but was instead loaded with only 20 lb (for the payload- the bucket still filled the same) would the projectile actually travel 5x as far, or would it hit some outer limit first?
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 11:12 PM (nUH8H)
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you don't have enough info to answer the question. If you want to assume no atmosphere, no friction, etc., you can provide an answer, but it is effectively meaningless in the real world.
Also, it a resultant vector question. You compare a horizontal item to a vertical item. Gravity is acting on the object (vertical). Usually you assume the gravity part of the equation will make the object strike the ground and thereby end the time of flight. So, you need to be able to plot the flight path to get any sensible answer. Since I don't know jack shit about the flight path of an object leaving I trebuchet, I have to say you lack info to answer the question.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 09:07 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 09:08 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2013 09:08 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 09:09 PM (CcIvJ)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 09:09 PM (TvO05)
It's just brilliant music.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 09:09 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 12, 2013 01:06 AM (/COnL)
My War is certainbly not Black Flag's best effort, but the dichotemy still applies.
You mean to tell me you aren't a Marillon fan? (I'd have lost that bet if you say no...) if yes, you forgot Fugazi.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:09 PM (rp0nH)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 09:10 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 09:11 PM (Vk2pI)
I loved "In the Name of Love" and bought the album with hard-earned money from my first job... then listened to it. I guess I was expecting too much of a War clone, because I almost immediately reconditioned it as a frisbee when it was finished. I thought it was droning, way too long, boring, and lacking in any real "rock" feel.
It wasn't until years later, hearing it played in its entirely on Joe Benson's "The Seventh Day" show on KLOS, when I realized what a wonderful album it was. It wasn't meant to be another rocker... at least, a lot of the songs on it weren't. I just sort of grew into it. My tastes definitely changed somewhere between 1984 and 1994, but I would have to go on for three hours to explain exactly how.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:11 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:11 PM (rp0nH)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 09:12 PM (yijvE)
Sorry, never heard a note of theirs. Just one of those gaps, I guess. On the other hand, talk to me about Soft Machine!
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 09:12 PM (/COnL)
I love/hate all of you...I love/hate this ONT.....I love/hate the very nature that I Love/Hate
......more wine and LESS WHINE!!!
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 09:13 PM (Cd7O2)
My last five or six years here have been one long metaphorical unclosed italics bracket.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 09:13 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 11, 2013 09:14 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 09:14 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 09:14 PM (X9Mnx)
Define the vector coordinates for "up"
Okay, here we go. Yes, this is a real Q, and I don't have the math or physics background to know.
If
a trebuchet was set to hurl a payload of, say, 100 lb, but was instead
loaded with only 20 lb (for the payload- the bucket still filled the
same) would the projectile actually travel 5x as far, or would it hit
some outer limit first?
Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at March 11, 2013 11:12 PM (nUH8H)
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you don't have enough info to answer the question. If you want to assume no atmosphere, no friction, etc., you can provide an answer, but it is effectively meaningless in the real world.
Also, it a resultant vector question. You compare a horizontal item to a vertical item. Gravity is acting on the object (vertical). Usually you assume the gravity part of the equation will make the object strike the ground and thereby end the time of flight. So, you need to be able to plot the flight path to get any sensible answer. Since I don't know jack shit about the flight path of an object leaving I trebuchet, I have to say you lack info to answer the question.
Posted by: jc at March 12, 2013 01:07 AM (PlzOe)
I got to this late, so I figured it had probably been dealt with already -- but, seriously, it doesn't work with a trebuchet. Essentially, a trebuchet is a lever with a hinge and a heavy weight on the short end. The escape speed of the projectile is based on how fast the heavy weight drops, not the weight of the projectile.
There are other types of catapults that might have interesting answers, but I'm just not seeing it with this one.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 09:16 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 11, 2013 09:16 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at March 11, 2013 09:17 PM (LUNw+)
Half of The Unforgettable Fire is among U2's best material. Half of it is unforgivable shit. "4th Of July," "Promenade," "MLK," and the interminable "Elvis Presley And America" are where you got a terrifying portent of what lay in the future for that band.
On the other hand, "A Sort Of Homecoming?'' That's the single greatest piece of music U2 ever recorded. Nothing comes close. Perfect in every way: great music, great Eno production, lovely poetic lyrics, and one of the finest vocal performances Bono ever pulled off. "Bad" actually might be THE finest singing he ever did, come to think of it.
I'm one of those weird postpunk freaks who insists that U2 never really did a better record than their debut, Boy. All the elements of their later stardom...it was all there from the start, on that LP. "An Cat Dubh" + "Out Of Control" + "The Electric Co." = everything that would later be associated with "classic" U2.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 09:17 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 11, 2013 09:18 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 09:18 PM (TvO05)
People keep talking about jumping to a third party.
I'd be happy if there was actually a second party.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 09:18 PM (hO9ad)
Have you heard Imperial Teen's, 'Feel the Sound'?
Disgustingly good. Roddy Bottum from Faith No More fame doing slick as shot Pop. One of the better albums I have stumbled across in the last couple of years.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:18 PM (rp0nH)
Sorry, never heard a note of theirs. Just one of those gaps, I guess. On the other hand, talk to me about Soft Machine!
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 12, 2013 01:12 AM (/COnL)
Marillion was better with Fish.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 09:18 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 09:19 PM (QTHTd)
'it go boom!' is the precise mathematical term you're looking for ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 12, 2013 01:09 AM (TvO05)
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Thanks. It is always nice when people help me with the technical issues.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 09:19 PM (PlzOe)
No, I know who you're referring to, but that ain't me.
I do comment on HotAir (and if you're around a lot you've probably seen my stuff, I'm not a super-frequent commenter though), but I do it under a different name so I'll leave the guessing to you. I use pretty much the exact same style (minus the "fuck"s, of course), so it's not too hard to figure out. HINT: I'm equally douchey over there.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 09:20 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at March 11, 2013 09:20 PM (LUNw+)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 09:21 PM (/T+P8)
Funny, though, how so many cutting-edge rockers become softy MOR "meep-meep" machines in their 40s and beyond. Phil Collins is (unfortunately) a prime example. He had TONS of edge in his music in 1982... and was turned into practically a music-making teddy bear by 1994. Sad.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 12, 2013 12:24 AM (7B7jB)
They found out that they could actually make some money. Most of those bands were in debt to their record companies, and there is one thing that the record companies want, and that is their money. So the bands put those albums out, they get a shit ton of airplay, sell like crazy, and go out on huge concert tours. Next thing they know, they are getting crazy hot model scamper and living the high life. After years of seeing everyone else make money, they sure as hell now want to make their own.
If you now notice, most of the older bands are going back to the studio and re-recording their songs for "Greatest Hits" compilations. They probably aren't getting anything from sales of their older stuff because they sold their catalog years earlier. The problem they run into is that can't recreate the sound from 25 years ago, so the songs don't sound the same.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, the poster formerly known as MrCaniac at March 11, 2013 09:22 PM (Zd/NW)
I disagree with you on the Presley song, but the others you're probably right about; I don't hear anything in my memory when you mention those titles from The Unforgettable Fire. And you're right, there was some grandiose stuff there that previewed Joshua Tree, Rattle and Hum, and so on. I wouldn't say I love everything on it, but I wish I still had that copy of the LP I bought back in 1984. I might have rediscovered the good stuff on there sooner. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:23 PM (7B7jB)
http://tinyurl.com/ay7afry
Please. It's 1:30AM. This is late-night music by any definition. It's also what would go on to be the future of music, recorded in 1986. It STILL sounds modern, mostly because every trick on this record was later assimilated by Radiohead, Arcade Fire, Muse, Tortoise, every post-rock group in the world, etc. It's unmitigated beauty, sonic genius, flawless from stem to stern. If you can listen to the first three songs and say "this is shit" then hey, horses for courses. But I can think of few records that inspire me more than The Colour Of Spring by Talk Talk, which is what this is.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 09:24 PM (/COnL)
No. Suicidal is not a post punk band.
Post Punk should probably be termed alt wave...
the nomenclature was always odd because Punk's Not Dead!
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:24 PM (rp0nH)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 09:24 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 11, 2013 09:24 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 11, 2013 09:25 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 09:25 PM (CcIvJ)
French "Things that Sling?"
People!!! The fact that it was "FRENCH!"
Sigh.....I do not have anything to say.....yet.....
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 09:26 PM (Cd7O2)
80's metal was the shit for me, not the hair band crap, but the real metal. Couldn't get into that hair band crap. There was just something wrong about dudes wearing their girlfriend's clothes and makeup, and singing lame songs about the same girlfriends whose wardrobe they raided.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 09:26 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 09:26 PM (X9Mnx)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2013 01:25 AM (CcIvJ)
Anchovi was a poser homo.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 09:27 PM (FMbng)
>>There was just something wrong about dudes wearing their girlfriend's clothes and makeup, and singing lame songs about the same girlfriends whose wardrobe they raided.
Dude. You are being awfully hard on NCJ.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:27 PM (rp0nH)
LOL. Jon Bon would last about, oh, how long in the actual old west? About 12 seconds?
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:27 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:28 PM (7B7jB)
Big Country was the ultimate in Scottish folk-metal. Plus it was only in the last few years how much I've noticed how some of it (like Harvest Home) sounds almost like American country music pumped up with mindbending steroids.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 12, 2013 12:57 AM (7B7jB)
Not surprising since the Scots are the ones that settled in the Appalachians where all the bluegrass and good country music comes from.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, the poster formerly known as MrCaniac at March 11, 2013 09:28 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:29 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 09:30 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 12, 2013 01:24 AM (QTHTd)
--My favorite song from that album.
Also great from '84: "Show Me" by The Pretenders (if you have a babeh you get the meaning of it).
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 09:30 PM (+iA5G)
Lotsa good Pretenders stuff, but my all-time fave is probably "Message of Love." Love that staccato guitar/drum rhythm.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:33 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 11, 2013 09:33 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 11, 2013 09:34 PM (iMdWJ)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:34 PM (7B7jB)
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80's metal was the shit for me, not the hair band crap, but the real metal. Couldn't get into that hair band crap. There was just something wrong about dudes wearing their girlfriend's clothes and makeup, and singing lame songs about the same girlfriends whose wardrobe they raided.
Posted by: Berserker at March 12, 2013 01:26 AM (FMbng)
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Follow the money. I remember reading somewhere that a UK band (I think it was the Stones) were upset cuz their crowd was fulla gays. Their promoter told them (I am paraphrasing, cuz I forgot the real shit): -- first you get the gays -- the gays will cause the girls to pay attention -- and the girls will attract the guys who are dumb enough to give you their money.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 09:35 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 09:36 PM (X9Mnx)
EASY..........EASY.......!
Let's not be going all tin-foil hats and such......
They want us to do that, So they can create the next crisis......
that is how they playn that......deflect the real with a crisis
smoke and mirrors Obama...be the "bumper=Shoot King...an his minons be fucking us ....24/7.....like you did not already know that....I do so hope.....
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 09:38 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 01:31 AM (wcRzm)
Ah. Well I didn't mind Ratt too much, but in general alot of the stuff was just frigging poser crap. The shitty thing was that a lot of the bands had good guitar players, but the songs were just too bubble gum. Dokken became brutal for that. There was one album where every last frigging song was about a chick. Then you had the cherry pie guys, and the up all night sleep all day guys, and the poison weirdos, etc. I would rather listen to savatage or manowar, or Accept, or any real metal bands who had granite man cards, not ones made out of a chick's scarf.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 09:39 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 09:39 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 09:41 PM (CcIvJ)
Posted by: jc at March 12, 2013 01:35 AM (PlzOe)
well I was in a fairly known metal band in the 80's, and we operated under the assumption that most chicks were closet lesbos and loved seeing dudes dressed as chicks, and those chicks would draw the dudes. lol
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 09:42 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:42 PM (YEvZL)
>>I was in a fairly known metal band in the 80's
One of these days you are going to fess up as to who you really are.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:43 PM (YEvZL)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 09:44 PM (CcIvJ)
The legend is that when she returned, she just made an absolute declaration to everyone else in the band: quit the drugs, or quit the Pretenders. The remaining druggies walked out the door, and Hynde became the de facto leader/owner of the band.
Probably an oversimplification, but still a great story.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:45 PM (7B7jB)
I got to see SRV with Jeff Beck in MSG. Awesome fucking show.
I missed the last train out of NYC that night because I wouldn't leave during the encores.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:45 PM (YEvZL)
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 01:43 AM (YEvZL)
Never, they will remain nameless, fuck them douchetools.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 09:46 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 09:48 PM (CcIvJ)
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 01:43 AM (YEvZL)
Never, they will remain nameless, fuck them douchetools.
Posted by: Berserker at March 12, 2013 01:46 AM (FMbng)
Well, that narrows it down to....er....pretty much every well-known 80s metal band.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 09:49 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 01:43 AM (YEvZL)
Never, they will remain nameless, fuck them douchetools.
Posted by: Berserker at March 12, 2013 01:46 AM (FMbng)
Well, that narrows it down to....er....pretty much every well-known 80s metal band.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 09:49 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 09:49 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 09:49 PM (yijvE)
It's not my personal favorite sort of thing, but it's definitely sonically focused, which I like.
Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2013 01:48 AM (CcIvJ)
I've got it playing in the background. But, then, I'm also doing laundry.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 09:50 PM (kaalw)
It's not my personal favorite sort of thing, but it's definitely sonically focused, which I like.
Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2013 01:48 AM (CcIvJ)
I've got it playing in the background. But, then, I'm also doing laundry.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 09:50 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 09:51 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 09:51 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 09:51 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 01:49 AM (YEvZL)
If you run in those burst circles, chances are we may have already crossed paths. I have no problem talking about it, just not on the web.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 09:52 PM (FMbng)
4 years of Bush and GOP control of both houses convinced people that elections don't matter. 2 years of talk about how we were just going to have to live with Obamacare even if the GOP won in 2012 convinced people that elections don't matter. The bright shining jewel of the Bush presidency, chief justice roberts convinced people that elections don't matter. Every time the debt limit or a CR comes up and we're told that either party has to do the exact same thing convinces people that elections don't matter. And yes, Boehner repeatedly bringing up legislation that passes on democrat votes when most house gopers consider it too toxic to touch convinces people that elections don't matter.
There is nothing more than a superficial argument over how fast we want to approach the wall, that DC is committed to national suicide is not.
Let it burn. Let them burn.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 09:52 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 09:53 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 09:54 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 09:54 PM (CcIvJ)
I thought The Pretenders' version of "It's a Thin Line Between Love and Hate" was the original for over a decade.
The Pursuaders, right?
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 09:54 PM (YEvZL)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 09:54 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 09:58 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 09:59 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:00 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: logprof at March 12, 2013 01:58 AM
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Posted by: Berserker at March 12, 2013 01:59 AM (FMbng)
--Oh good grief. I thought y'all were referring to a band.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 10:00 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:01 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2013 01:54 AM (CcIvJ)
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I tried to scalp a tix to the original Wall concert in LA in 1979 (or early 1980, I forget). At the time, I had a total of $400 bux, no car, no job, and nowhere to live. I got as high as $100 for the tix, but couldn't go to $150.
That $50 doesn't seem like much now. I shoulda had more faith.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 10:02 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 10:02 PM (CcIvJ)
If you run in those burst circles, chances are we may have already crossed paths. I have no problem talking about it, just not on the web.
I try and keep a real low profile. I never liked the scene, only the guitars.
Most of the super high-end stuff I sell, I sell through a dealer you undoubtedly know.
If you go looking for an early PRS Custom, you will undoubtedly get ref'd to me. I try to keep myself off the vintage radar, though.
Too many people looking to get over or looking to use you for pricing and research.
...and I fully understand your reticence to 'out' yourself as one of the Horde.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 10:02 PM (YEvZL)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:03 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:03 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Baldy at March 11, 2013 10:03 PM (opS9C)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:05 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:06 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 02:01 AM (yijvE)
You are not alone. I know a drummer who owns 35 guitars, because he loves looking at them, like art. I know a keyboard player who probably has as many, and for the same reason. Its a sickness, lol
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 10:06 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:08 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:09 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:10 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 10:10 PM (/T+P8)
Most of the super high-endstuff I sell, I sell through a dealer you undoubtedly know.
If you go looking for an early PRS Custom, you will undoubtedly get ref'd to me. I try to keep myself off the vintage radar, though.
Too many people looking to get over or looking to use you for pricing and research.
...and I fully understand your reticence to 'out' yourself as one of the Horde.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 02:02 AM (YEvZL)
Hmm PRS huh? I never got into them much. I had a brazilian rosewood McCarty for a little bit, but that was it. I really don't know the go to guys for those. Yeah the scene is dog eat dog, so I stay low profile too. I grabbed that 67 V from a repair guy in my frigging home town of all places who was selling it for one of his customers. Had I went through a vintage dealer it would have been 4X the price.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 10:10 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 02:01 AM (yijvE)
You are not alone. I know a drummer who owns 35 guitars, because he loves looking at them, like art. I know a keyboard player who probably has as many, and for the same reason. Its a sickness, lol
Posted by: Berserker at March 12, 2013 02:06 AM (FMbng)
I've got a few Ibanez Musicians.....and Roland guitars and synths. Just a few.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:11 PM (kaalw)
630
I am Richard, I have always been...Richard,
I have always been what I have posted, I have always been that which I have posted. I wish to destroy the troll, yet know we have to allow...the...troll to be....FAIR. Those that are on the "other" side do not PLAY FAIR...ever!
So that be known..let's just kill the troll! KILL THE TROLL!!
Yet we are, who we are, BECAUSE we play fair? Maybe time to consider a tact that will not allow us to be such Fair Players....maybe time for us to be more FEARED PLAYERS....I would be VERY HAPPY if we were.....
FEARED........I am so ready to be FEARED.........They that run this place should FEAR US......NOW!
It is time that they FEAR US....and we should put the fear into them 24/7
yup......
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 10:12 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:12 PM (TvO05)
That would explain my violin and sterling flute purchases, then!
If I am ill, and the symptom is owning beautiful instruments, I don't wnt to gt better.
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 02:09 AM (yijvE)
lol too funny. I have 6 violins and I can't play a single frigging note on them, no desire to either. I repair them occasionally and I just got the bug to own a few.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 10:12 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:13 PM (kaalw)
Abba, okay. And I still enjoy a bit of Rupert Holmes.
But... The Knack?!?
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 10:14 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:14 PM (TvO05)
Actually, I've pretty much entirely repudiated the music I listened to when I was 13. The only exception is for Collins-era Genesis, which I got into back before I become a hardcore muso, and actually spent several years ritually rejecting as uncool before I finally realized that fuck it, good melody and songwriting matters more than style.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:16 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:16 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 10:17 PM (X9Mnx)
How about Spirit Of Eden?
http://tinyurl.com/byobblo
Oh, and tell me the last song on that album you were listening to (called "Time It's Time" isn't a motherfucking CATHEDRAL of sound). Best moment: when the recorders (!) finally come in near the end.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:18 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:18 PM (TvO05)
I always loved Paul's early guitars and have bought so many through the years that it is insane. I'll never forget how crestfallen I was when Jimmy D'Aquisto bagged on my Bonnie Pink Signature. A guitar that Al DiMeola molested before I ever got to touch her!
As to the vintage, the best way to find the good stuff is through gumshoe type dilligence. There's still a ton of undiscovered stuff out there. You just need to approach it the way you did in the 70's and early 80's.
Let 90% of the dealers buy and sell the same 60% of the guitars.
I'm happy chasing the guitars of the rural communities and turning up the occasional gem, at this point. It helps that I was buying everything I could find and afford from 1988 - 1996 while I traveled the B roads of the US and brokering them to dealers on both coasts. Built up a lot of trust and credibility while learning the ropes and tricks.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 10:19 PM (YEvZL)
When I was 13 I was playing drums along with the guitar. I was starting to gravitate toward the drums more, but then I heard the Black sabbath paranoid album. I heard the opening power chords to iron man and that was it. I went full steam ahead on guitar, and stayed with metal my whole life. Curious thing though, I didn't really stick with sabbath, and didn't listen to them again until Dio was singing for them.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 10:19 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:21 PM (yijvE)
It's two years removed from the album you just finished, but holy shit the musical evolution there...amazing. You will hear the sound of a thousand modern groups in its arranging. And remember this was put out in 1988(!) by a rock group that originally began life as a UK one-hit wonder.
Talk Talk are the greatest hidden find of the 1980s, musically. Nobody except musos knows about them. But musos treasure them like a cherished secret. It's easy to hear why.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:21 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:21 PM (kaalw)
4 ) ...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 12, 2013 02:10 AM (/T+P
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4) Listen to more things. There are bazillions of talented musicians in the world. Sometimes it takes a while before you can relate to their music. Listen anyway.
5) Everybody copied somebody. General rule -- amateurs borrow, professionals steal.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 10:21 PM (PlzOe)
Fascinating. You really are the most AMAZING person alive.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 10:22 PM (ISk4a)
Dude, what's your fucking deal? I'm not claiming to be special or anything, I'm just participating in the conversation.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:22 PM (/COnL)
If it's a secret, why are you, an FUCKING ASTOUNDING "muso", blabbing about them?
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 10:23 PM (ISk4a)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 12, 2013 02:21 AM (kaalw)
You all know what's coming next, don't you? There's a "lonesome" involved.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:23 PM (kaalw)
But the Little Girls Understand
That 13 year old shit is nonsense, btw. Perhaps for a superficial fan of music. Someone who makes a lifetime pursuit of music won't fall into those categories at all.
Especially not if they are a collector of any specific type of media or genre.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 10:23 PM (YEvZL)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 10:23 PM (DC1tz)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:24 PM (kaalw)
Seriously, I have no idea what your hardon is for me right now. I mean, most of time? I get it. But right now I'm just trying to share music that I enjoy with people. Meanwhile you're the only one here who's grinding an axe.
I mean this with love and respect: go fuck yourself, you small-minded asshat.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:25 PM (/COnL)
Says the dickhole who just jerked off to his own description of himself as a Top-Secret "muso".
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 10:25 PM (ISk4a)
Posted by: jc
And this applies to writing as well. Read this, assholes!
IF any 20 something wants to be a 'writer,' and hasn't copied some worthy writer to the strike and note, they are wasting their time.
Copy, learn, erase, and make it your own.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 10:26 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:26 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 10:28 PM (DC1tz)
>>Copy,
This!
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 12, 2013 02:27 AM (YEvZL)
FTFY Joey boy
Posted by: buzzion at March 11, 2013 10:28 PM (GULKT)
Huh. Seems like we're opposite ends of the spectrum with Soft Machine, then. I adore that first album, like the second one nearly as much, and rapidly lose interest once they begin to push Robert Wyatt out of the band and he stops singing. Love the live stuff from 1967-1970, but in terms of their studio work I'm off the boat after Third.
I know a lot of people can't stand his voice. I happen to like it a lot. It's weirdly compelling: a hoarse countertenor (?!?).
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:28 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:29 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 10:29 PM (CcIvJ)
Seriously folks, this is how I find great new albums. On threads like these.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 10:29 PM (7B7jB)
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 02:19 AM (YEvZL)
yeah thats how I got the ones I have. I never really went through dealers. I know who they are, but never needed them. 1988-1996 was a good time to buy. I could kick myself in the ass for all the frigging gold tops and LP customs I passed up for a few grand in the late 90's. I'm a die hard V player though, so back then I wasn't really focused on the les pauls. I did eventually end up with a routed early 57 gold top and a routed 55 custom for a good price, but not as cheap as I could have had them. It was in the early 2000's, so they were still somewhat cheap.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 10:30 PM (FMbng)
The problem with the "O" peoples that are still sucking the straw filled with
"The Goodness!"..AND!! they are still sucking off the straw with the "Goodness!!" They will suck it dry in about 3....2....1....and THEN WHAT?
IT WAS BUSH!!!!! who let our straw suck dry.....OBAMA BE OUR STRAW.....AND WE SHOULD SUCK THE STRAW THAT BE OBAMA......SUCK OBAMA's STRAW!!!! WE BEHOLDING TO OBAMA'S STRAW!!!! AND WE SUCK BECAUSE!!!
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 10:30 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2013 10:30 PM (7B7jB)
That early Yes stuff is underrated. (Well, actually most Yes stuff is underrated, since they're still super-uncool.) Their cover of "Every Little Thing" off the first album might just be the best Beatles cover I've heard. One of them, at least.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:30 PM (/COnL)
I was doing a lot of exploring.
Wow, you matured fast. I didn't start 'exploring' until college.
Posted by: Gillian Anderson at March 11, 2013 10:31 PM (YEvZL)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 11, 2013 10:31 PM (cOTbi)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:31 PM (yijvE)
Just so you know, it's a trilogy: The Colour Of Spring (1986), Spirit Of Eden (198
, Laughing Stock (1992). The music gets progressively more and more abstract and jazzy as the albums progress, but it never becomes self-indulgent wankery.Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:32 PM (/COnL)
>>I did eventually end up with a routed early 57 gold top
I literally bought mine to keep a couple of those dealers from getting out the router!
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 10:32 PM (YEvZL)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 10:33 PM (DC1tz)
Posted by: Whatev at March 11, 2013 10:34 PM (A7Wh1)
Posted by: A cynical
Way to ignore the formulation and point; we become attached to music we first hear at about that age.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 10:34 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 10:34 PM (CcIvJ)
One of the few 'classic' groups I find pretty boring. Morrison Hotel has got some great stuff, the 'greatest hits' material is all decent, but...meh.
That said, I'll take "Peace Frog" and "L.A. Woman" anytime.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:35 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 10:35 PM (DC1tz)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:37 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:37 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo
Which bands / styles?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 10:37 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 02:32 AM (YEvZL)
yeah well I wanted players, ones that didn't cost a shitload but still had the shit going for them. Kinda like that V. I have no use for P-90's really, so it made sense to get a routed guitar. Again, I wanted original finishes, and original parts but at least refretted with bigger frets and humbuckers. They both had real PAFs in them, so that was a bonus.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 10:38 PM (FMbng)
Boy did your parents fuck that one up.
YOU CANNOT PETITION THE LAWD WITH PRAYER!!!
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:38 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:38 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Whatev at March 11, 2013 10:39 PM (A7Wh1)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 10:39 PM (DC1tz)
The key is "We Did It Again" --> "Why Are We Sleeping?"
Still the band's finest moment, IMO, aside from "As Long As He Lies Perfectly Still."
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:40 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:41 PM (yijvE)
Hey now. Neil Young is pretty great, at least from 1966-1979 or so. You must've been listening to Landing On Water or some shit like that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:41 PM (/COnL)
At 13 I listened to a lot of stuff I can't tolerate anymore. Pink Floyd is high on that list...but that's also about the time I found Jazz.
As soon as I heard Fats Waller, I was off the rails.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 10:42 PM (YEvZL)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 10:43 PM (DC1tz)
parents were concerned about subliminal drug messages, so I couldn't
play it on my portable tape recorder.....instead, I could listen to The
Doors' "Soft Parade" in my room at night.
Boy did your parents fuck that one up.
YOU CANNOT PETITION THE LAWD WITH PRAYER!!!
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 12, 2013 02:38 AM (/COnL)
Yeah, considering that no Beatle OD'd....
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:43 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 10:43 PM (CcIvJ)
so it is this music that was the "touch-stone" of our youth....
so we should be glad that we have lived to see.....this?
Most FUCKED we are to be living now and to see such ....
not like we would ever tell our children how GREAT it was back then...
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 10:43 PM (Cd7O2)
Did you go through a phase like I did in high school, where you tried to convince yourself that "Atom Heart Mother" and the studio disc of Ummagumma WASN'T unutterable bullshit? Yeah, you outgrow that.
Oddly enough though, the only Floyd I have time for anymore other than Wish You Were Here are live concerts from that early (1969-1971) period. You have to be in the right frame of mind for it (it's definitely 'background' music to work or read to), but if you are it works wonderfully.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:44 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 10:44 PM (X9Mnx)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 10:44 PM (DC1tz)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:45 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Whatev at March 11, 2013 10:46 PM (A7Wh1)
>>yeah well I wanted players, ones that didn't cost a shitload but still had the shit going for them
These guys were less than honest. They would have sold it as an original PAF guitar. I can't stand to see something like that happen to a minty 57 LP. I am all about the preservation of the prime examples.
There really are so few left.
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 10:46 PM (YEvZL)
That's a fantastic live record (my only complaint, natch, is that the performance of "Perfectly Still" is pretty half-assed), but I actually think I prefer the all-instrumental Noisette CD release. The one that "Facelift" was excerpted from for the Third LP. I know that contradicts what I said earlier about preferring the vocal stuff, but it's just so perfectly executed, and I love the live instrumental "Moon In June" even though it's too short.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:46 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo
10. Seasons In The Sun - Terry Jacks
No idea. Sounds familiar, could be worse.
9. Jazzman - Carole King
Carole King, you're supposed to worship her. '70's rule.
8. You're Sixteen - Ringo Starr
Um, Beatlesque?
7. Cats In The Cradle - Harry Chapin
Dude!
6. When Will I See You Again - Three Degrees
No Idear.
5. Haven't Got Time For The Pain - Carly Simon
Carly!
4. I Honestly Love You - Olivia Newton-John
Sexy!
3. (I've Been) Searchin' So Long - Chicago
Chicago!
2. Time In A Bottle - Jim Croce
Break in the snark, if you are going to denigrate Croce, just do it right here and now. The man is a music god and if you don't see that, you deserve every disease and affliction you will ever receive.
1. The Way We Were - Barbra Streisand
Yeah, whatever.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 10:47 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:47 PM (kaalw)
It's a wonder I can remain so cheerful most of the time. But hey, we're discussing Soft Machine and Talk Talk. Who cares about that other shit? I earn 90% of it anyway.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:48 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:48 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: garrett at March 11, 2013 10:49 PM (YEvZL)
No Dear, that was Nov 5th 2013 ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 12, 2013 02:45 AM (TvO05)
Egad! I'm getting messages from the future!
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:49 PM (kaalw)
Very true, but "Transformer Man" is still one the five greatest songs he's ever recorded, and I will fucking fight to the death anyone who wants to disagree.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:49 PM (/COnL)
Chapin all the way.Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:49 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 10:50 PM (DC1tz)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:51 PM (kaalw)
You really are the Internet's Most Badass Hero there, "muso".
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 10:51 PM (ISk4a)
Pretty much the only one of any musical merit (and to be fair, it's a hell of a lot) is Pete Townshend.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:51 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:52 PM (yijvE)
I used "people" in responding to your comment in which you similarly referred to "people". DC's refusal to live within its means is the problem. You may feel there is some meaningful distinction in running quarter or half trillion dollar deficits rather than trillion and a half, but I will maintain the only difference is the rate at which we arrive at the inevitable collapse. As the end state is my primary concern, the distinction is of no value to me. In any case the GOP has, as a whole, demonstrated an utter refusal to act on the problem, and will reliably provide votes to democrat "keep the party going" plans whenever required.
By all means, brag about the sequester. But start by calculating whether DC wil spend more money this year than last, or less.
I say the GOP is untrustworthy. And most of the people who insist that things will be better if only they were in power, I am quite sure, will also insist that we can't push them too far (which will always be far short of balancing the budget and most of the time short of real year over year cuts) lest they be replaced in the next election.
It doesn't really matter now anyway. We will certainly pass the point where "non-discretionary" spending exceeds DC's revenues by an amount we will obviously not grow out of before the next round of elections. When that happens, the most easily scuttled spending is interest payments on the debt, a fact holders of that debt will understand. And they will try to get out while they can. And then the shitstorm. And that's assuming the same idiocy being done in Japan, China, or Europe doesn't trigger a global dislocation first.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 10:52 PM (hO9ad)
Break in the snark, if you are going to denigrate Croce, just do it right here and now. The man is a music god and if you don't see that, you deserve every disease and affliction you will ever receive.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 12, 2013 02:47 AM (/T+P
Talk about someone who left way too soon. Croce was awesome.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:52 PM (kaalw)
I was going to ask if you really, seriously, had mistaken my intentionally silly, overenthusiastic tone for real "internet tough guy" stuff...but then I realized you're just trolling on purpose. So this will literally be the last post I write addressing you in any way. Jesus loves you and have a nice life.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:52 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 10:54 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 10:54 PM (CcIvJ)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 10:54 PM (DC1tz)
There really are so few left.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 02:46 AM (YEvZL)
Oh yeah, thats why I wanted guitars that were already done, because as a repairer and restorer dude there was no way on the planet I could bring myself to alter guitars that were original. I bust my ass taking guitars that should be in a fireplace and giving them a new life. Like you said, there aren't many left.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 10:55 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:57 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 11, 2013 10:57 PM (iMdWJ)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 10:58 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 10:59 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 02:48 AM (yijvE)
--I don't mind leftards making music, so long as the music itself is not insufferably leftard.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 10:59 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 10:59 PM (yijvE)
Oh I definitely know what you mean. Can barely tolerate The Wall (though I have to take my cap off to its awesome production values...it's assembled like a Swiss watch, all the gears 'n springs perfectly calibrated). In fact, most of the post Meddle stuff leaves me cold except for Wish You Were Here and the songs "Us And Them" and "Dogs."
As for the Syd era? Ennnh. It's good. "Great," even. But Piper's best moment is a band-written instrumental ("Interstellar Overdrive," woo...), and the only other songs on that LP that live up to the great '67 singles are "Astronomy Domine" and, as you mentioned, "Bike." All that Tolkien/I-Ching/Scarecrow stuff is just sorta tofu-like to me.
Everybody who's a "serious" Pink Floyd fan is supposed to hate it, but I honestly think that the non-album singles "It Would Be So Nice" and "Point Me At The Sky" are their great lost songs from that early period. Fuck it, they're poppy...so what of it?
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 11:00 PM (/COnL)
I keep waiting for someone to mention U2, since they started in the mid-70's ... so I checked Wiki.
Apparently, they were forgettable until they did The Joshua Tree, and became major activists.
Mercifully then, I'm not repressing any memories.
I just can't listen to anyone as sanctimoniously whiney as Bono ...
Posted by: Arbalest at March 12, 2013 02:57 AM (iMdWJ)
And, yet, Bono had kind words for W. He's lefty, but not that rabid of a lefty.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 11:00 PM (kaalw)
Promises.
Self-important perpetually-wrong assbags like you can't get enough attention, of any kind.
See you later, fuckhole.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 11:01 PM (ISk4a)
=====
Sad story. Most of us have seen the kid in school that was rabidly anti-drugs until he tried them and then became the biggest stoner around.
Barry is pretty much that story writ large. Jailed people for drugs until he tried them. Flipped entirely to the other side, and took it to an extreme. He had to know this was coming.
I admire his balls, but I wouldn't want to be a self-made martyr's kid.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 11:01 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Arbalest
Boy was quite good if you ignore the political stuff. Likewise the succesive albums.
Notice the increasingly vague political messages. Heh.
The MSM pushes the Overton window but few bands have the power to move it an inch.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 11:02 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 11:02 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at March 11, 2013 11:03 PM (DC1tz)
We all lived thru a "Phase."
Sad thing is...music did not help our goals...it only blinded us to our real future.....true that....and FUCK Neil Young and the rest of his hippie-dippy fucking trash-bags that were called....musicans/shitbags....this country is poorer because they even were allowed to breath....
yet THEY made some BIG CAPALITIST MONEY to buy themselves some
MAJOR LAND far from us little folks from where they spout their faggot/ lib/progressive....BULLSHIT....see how that works?
How many tickets did YOU buy to see these PROG/FAGGOTS in concert?
Live with that Bitches........
Live with that......
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 11:04 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:05 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 11, 2013 11:06 PM (iMdWJ)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 11:06 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:07 PM (TvO05)
And to top it off U2's tax base is not in the mother fucking UK or Ireland. Tax mobility #FTW
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 11:07 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 11:08 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 02:59 AM (yijvE)
yeah thats what I keep telling myself. lol
I build classical guitars, and really the only reason I went into that is because its a dying art, especially the old methods. I build alot of copies of guitars built in the 1800s and early 1900s. I'm blown away at what these dudes managed to do with no electricity working with hand tools and frigging oil lamps.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 11:10 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 11:10 PM (X9Mnx)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 11:11 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:12 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 11, 2013 11:12 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 11:12 PM (CcIvJ)
Posted by: Jeff B.
Ok, stop making sense now. that's my quota of JOFFBEE.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 11:12 PM (/T+P8)
I shall lull myself to sleep by putting on an old Mystery Science Theater 3000. Methinks it'll be Godzilla Vs. The Sea Monster.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 11, 2013 11:13 PM (/COnL)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 12, 2013 03:02 AM (kaalw)
Yeah, the guy in back was playing rock bagpipes -- which is right up there with rock oboe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqYBdcwVsHM [at 1:00]
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 11:13 PM (kaalw)
====
we are in a tough spot. I don't want to make light of it. Nor do I want to say that we should just capitulate because we are in a tough spot. Nor do I want to say that we shouldn't make allies when necessary -- after all propping up Stalin if needed to beat Hitler was probably the right call -- even if it completely sucked.
That said, I hear you. This argument always reminds me of something -- and I think you clearly get it where some others do not -- in previous decades we treated POWs with respect and care -- while at the same time we executed traitors. Be on their side, or be on my side, but don't stab us in the back.
I wish I felt like I can actually trust any of the people who choose to run for office.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 11:14 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:16 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:17 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Whatev at March 11, 2013 11:17 PM (A7Wh1)
I used to think that way, but my view has changed in the last several years. I hope I can enjoy their ork again, but I have too much anger to make that happen.
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 03:08 AM (yijvE)
--The way I reconcile it is to enjoy their work while doing my damnedest to avoid the slightest adding to their profits for it.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 11:17 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:18 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 11:18 PM (yijvE)
I for one have NO sympathy for any music/bonner/player who got into the business KNOWING FULL DAMN WELL WHAT HE/SHE/SHE/IT was getting into......serious? were you pithed at birth????
Or did you live in a cave, prior to coming to Hollywood?
If so...you are fucked and should leave back to North Dakota....now!
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 11:18 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: jc
I know what you feel, but those that apply for office deserve nothing but constant scrutiny.
That's the price of a Jefferson and Franklin approved republic.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 11:19 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 11:20 PM (CcIvJ)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:21 PM (TvO05)
I ended up chasing parts around all day -- toilets are down to 1.28 gallons per flush, but the base unit is 1.6. And the manufacturers have taken to packaging base and tank together in one box. In addition, I'm looking at the area behind the tank that hasn't been repainted since the 50s. So I sanded it tonight and I'll repaint the stupid thing tomorrow morning, and try the tank I got tomorrow afternoon. The good news is the BH is still safely in Atlanta.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2013 11:21 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Richard at March 12, 2013 03:18 AM (Cd7O2)
--WTF you got against ND?
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 11:22 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:22 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 11, 2013 11:23 PM (iMdWJ)
So.
Lets talk about...
Cheese......not Froggy Cheese....USA cheese....no wine or WHINE!!!
jus cheese......and food.....
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 11:23 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 11:23 PM (CcIvJ)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:25 PM (TvO05)
813
My Bad,
God's Country with 4 solid season's.....I only thought of the snow....and the ice-outs....
forgive...
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 11:26 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 11, 2013 11:27 PM (TvO05)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 11:27 PM (CcIvJ)
Lets talk about...
Cheese......not Froggy Cheese....USA cheese....no wine or WHINE!!!
jus cheese......and food.....
Posted by: Richard at March 12, 2013 03:23 AM (Cd7O2)
--Not worth paying the extra $.35 at BK or McD's.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 11:28 PM (+iA5G)
I dunno.
Why does that make U2's UTTERLY ANTHEMIC Streets massively, unequivocally, worse than A Sort of Homecoming, as you so decidedly assert?
Ah fuck, you can't untangle that fucking muso pretzel of yours without breaking your sacred muso vow not to respond to me, can you?
Probably for the best, since you fucking "muso" dicks mostly just mask musical authority behind paper-thin walls of indefensible hand-waving.
You retarded ponce.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 11:28 PM (ISk4a)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 11:28 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: jc
I know what you feel, but those that apply for office deserve nothing but constant scrutiny.
That's the price of a Jefferson and Franklin approved republic.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 12, 2013 03:19 AM (/T+P
===
And at the same time I have great respect for a bunch of folks that do what I will not. I have worked around the local assembly people enough to know that they are working for a couple bux/hour.
They go to a shitload of meetings, read tons of BS to prep for the meetings, and spend gobs of hours on the phone with dumbshits who think they are supposed to be able move mountains (or change Federal law, force unions to be reasonable, print their own money, or other totally impossible acts).
They are putting in ridiculous hours for crap pay and putting up with massive shit to do it. And, they have to run for office to get the job -- which means they have to pay off the media.
So, I respect their service. I just don't trust them.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 11:29 PM (PlzOe)
813
My Bad,
God's Country with 4 solid season's.....I only thought of the snow....and the ice-outs....
forgive...
Posted by: Richard at March 12, 2013 03:26 AM (Cd7O2)
--Seriously, I get the impression you have never set foot on North Dakota soil. Do visit soon. See the Medora Musical. Take in TRNP. Sweet all around.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2013 11:29 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 11:31 PM (yijvE)
jus cheese......and food.....
Posted by: Richard
No excuse for not supporting CA wine over Franch wine.
Better quality. Better hygenics. Better stories.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 11, 2013 11:32 PM (/T+P8)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 12, 2013 03:21 AM (kaalw)
great...its going to get to the point where our bladders will hold more than the frigging tanks. It will be easier to piss in the tank to get it to flush.
Posted by: Berserker at March 11, 2013 11:32 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 11, 2013 11:33 PM (X9Mnx)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 12, 2013 03:19 AM (/T+P
====
It occurred to me the other day that the founders did not want to make it quite so hard to keep up with all the players -- originally you just voted for your State officials and your congresscritter -- those folks voted in the Senate and the Prez.
Now, you have to keep up with all of them and worry about whether or not you are voting for a crook at every friggin' level. Impossible job not to screw it up sooner or later.
Posted by: jc at March 11, 2013 11:34 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 11:34 PM (yijvE)
Posted by: Whatev at March 11, 2013 11:34 PM (A7Wh1)
Yes, the ultimate problem is that the voters are irresponsible fools. But as long as the GOP intends to appeal to them rather than present the hard reality of the situation, they can be expected to maintain the basic course the democrats want. So my request for a second, opposition party, remains.
Even if it is just a dream.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 11:34 PM (hO9ad)
O.f.K,
I fess to having the bottle and then some for enjoying the O.N.T fun
I fail on the French Cheese. confess it is the best...
I did not park my car within 18 inches of the curb....
I have not changed my underwear today.....
There is a "ZIT" on my nose which needs popping.....any takers??
I do so love this site.....
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 11:37 PM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 11, 2013 11:40 PM (CcIvJ)
Posted by: Mirage at March 11, 2013 11:46 PM (yijvE)
Also, to appeal to a mass audience "Baby, baby, baby, woah".
Fap away, to the exciting conclusion!
/fair warning (not Van Halen-related!) some chapters may end with ellipsis ...
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 11, 2013 11:48 PM (ISk4a)
Why do we suffer this 2nd term of Barry?
The shock of it all makes me think that this was not all on the up and up.
Though, I am prob. just suffering from, "ARE U FUCKING KIDDING ME???????" syndrome. Which is the reason I post like I do......
Posted by: Richard at March 11, 2013 11:54 PM (Cd7O2)
It's worse than that. It's all limits in the rate of DC growth bullshit with the assumption that some legislative tweaks will magically give us reliable, constant growth in the real economy. To the tune of 5% annually for a decade, from what I've read. Feel free to check when we last had 5% GDP growth and how long it lasted (it's been a while). And the last time it lasted for a full decade (hint: first isolate all those times we had a full decade without recession. It's approximately never). Oh and this will happen in spite of the 2% tax hike everyone got this year. And the full implementation of Obamacare.
Hollowpoint, I get the point you (and ace and others) make about impossibility. But you're talking about impossibility in terms of political will. I am concerned with impossibility in terms of mathematics. Eventually that conflict is going to be resolved, and mathematics does not give a shit about what anyone wants. Which probably won't sway you. I just mean to explain my despair.
Posted by: Methos at March 11, 2013 11:59 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 12:02 AM (yijvE)
843
SO!!!!
I am just left to be HERE......which is not so bad a place to hunker down...given the options......
yup!!
I pick here.
Posted by: Richard at March 12, 2013 12:07 AM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 12:08 AM (yijvE)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 12, 2013 12:10 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 12, 2013 12:12 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 12:12 AM (yijvE)
Otherwise, you'll only be seeing this thing in 1/2 D (math verified by a lawyer).
And the title. And lightning sound effects.
And synthesizer.
And those drums.
And that guy dancing.
And what's scaaaary about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRw9wlOZ9Lg
Posted by: Count Floyd at March 12, 2013 12:13 AM (ISk4a)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 12:15 AM (yijvE)
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 12:19 AM (yijvE)
Sure. Sometimes rumnating on a project might avoid some unforeseen aggravation than if you jump right in/on it, so I can go with your rationale to wait.
Does that help?
Posted by: Mirage at March 12, 2013 03:31 AM (yijvE)
I should be painting, but I'm hangin' here. 'Tis no biggie.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 12, 2013 12:20 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 12, 2013 12:20 AM (bxiXv)
are down to 1.28 gallons per flush, but the base unit is 1.6.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 12, 2013 03:21 AM (kaalw)
great...its going to get to the point where our bladders will hold more than the frigging tanks. It will be easier to piss in the tank to get it to flush.
Posted by: Berserker at March 12, 2013 03:32 AM (FMbng)
You ain't just a-whistlin' -- I don't know if you heard about San Francisco, a leader in the low-flow area.....their sewer lines actually have stretches that are hollowed-out redwood logs 150 years old......they went completely low-flow some years back to "save the bay".
They now have to dump a million gallons of bleach through their system every year in order to keep the lines from clogging.
It might be just me, but doing extra gallons of water seems better than occasional bleach flushes.....but I'm not an environmentalist.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 12, 2013 12:23 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 12, 2013 04:23 AM (kaalw)
===
Dirty little secret --- neither are any of the people who label themselves as one.
Posted by: jc at March 12, 2013 12:32 AM (PlzOe)
Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2013 12:44 AM (CcIvJ)
Posted by: jc at March 12, 2013 12:44 AM (PlzOe)
857
Just so long as you know...."Some animals are more equal than other animals."
Redwood sewer pipes and Nancy of the large breastus sag.....with botox
there is a perfect fit in there somewhere.....fer sure....jus add some crab meat to fill the dead space......and push the sag into the left-over daylight til it all fits nice and snug
Posted by: Richard at March 12, 2013 12:45 AM (Cd7O2)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/atcmp23
Posted by: jc at March 12, 2013 12:47 AM (PlzOe)
Posted by: jc at March 12, 2013 12:48 AM (PlzOe)
860
Wait just a minute there mister....and you will be dropping that gas can AND that lighter if you know what's good for ya....
I have a pistol.....so be obligin.....or else!!
Posted by: Richard at March 12, 2013 12:50 AM (Cd7O2)
I drink the last,
and note the hour to be wee morning and work alas in hours due too soon
in other words...."SHIT!!!! I've got to get up in less than 6 hours and be functional.
Night/Morning you "F-n" magnificent M plus M's!!!
Posted by: Richard at March 12, 2013 01:05 AM (Cd7O2)
Father was the contents
Of a test-tube
In the icebox
Of the factory of birth.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 12, 2013 01:07 AM (kaalw)
869
I was hoping for a bedtime story with more "bedtime"
just saying........too late to take Benadryl.....try again?
Posted by: Richard at March 12, 2013 01:12 AM (Cd7O2)
Posted by: Whatev at March 12, 2013 01:20 AM (A7Wh1)
Posted by: Whatev at March 12, 2013 01:21 AM (A7Wh1)
Posted by: Whatev at March 12, 2013 01:44 AM (A7Wh1)
And tomorrow I get to do it again.
Posted by: epobirs at March 12, 2013 02:07 AM (kcfmt)
This would cut down on partisanship, he thinks.
I had to go look up the book on Amazon to make sure it was real. It is. The guy has an endowed chair at IU and is apparently insane. Nice use of my tax money.
How do 2 presidents occupy 1 White House? How do you FORCE them to work together? Who is the Commander-in-Chief? Who is the Head of State for foreign affairs? How in the hell would this cut down on partisanship?
There obviously are drugs in the water down in Bloomington.
Posted by: Miss Marple at March 12, 2013 02:44 AM (GoIUi)
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Posted by: Baldy at March 12, 2013 03:44 AM (opS9C)
Posted by: Beagle at March 12, 2013 04:11 AM (qlX9b)
Really??? The Malaysian government and the terrorists it supports didn't get the memo.
http://tinyurl.com/b5qx6sr
Posted by: sfcmac at March 12, 2013 12:32 PM (TLbgU)
Posted by: burt at March 12, 2013 02:18 PM (/QJXp)
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