April 03, 2013
— Maetenloch
Then you can get you some matching bubbly for living the AoSHQ Gangsta Lifestyle.
there is a section separated by chain-link. This is where the most valued items are temporarily housed, including a Melchizidek (30 liters) of Ace of Spades, the Jay-Z champagne of choice. The cost: $44,000.
And don't forget the rest of your accessories:
Patterico: Is Bob Menendez Being Protected By the Same Spinmeisters Who Protected Weiner?
For weeks, I have privately raised with some of the people who have been following this story closely the possibility that one or more of the girls who made these allegations were false flags of the type that appear to have been employed in the Anthony Weiner scandal. To me, that theory is starting to look more plausible all the time.Here's how it works. Weiner had a genuine "talking inappropriately to an underage girl" issue and a genuine "sending inappropriate crap to women" issue. Breitbart had the goods on some of this, and Weiner likely knew it. So, next thing you know, someone comes along and creates some false underage girls who supposedly talk to Weiner. The girls try to get Andrew Breitbart to bite on the story but he doesn't. If he had, then the girls could have been triumphantly revealed to be fakes, and now everything Breitbart put out would be discredited. (This is ultimately what John Reid claimed to me in a series of angry emails: that everything I had said about an underage girl in Delaware was discredited because . . . something something. I didn't follow his logic but his claimed motivations were clear: he wanted to protect Weiner.)
So, apply the same strategy to Menendez. He clearly has a "sleeping with prostitutes" issue - the Dominicans are not the only hookers who have claimed he slept with them. So maybe, just maybe, someone who knows a hooker story is coming out, and who supports Menendez, creates some phony hookers whose stories can be reported and then discredited. Now every story about Menendez and prostitutes looks suspect.
It wouldn't shock me if the same Democrat spinmeisters were behind both operations.
Just a theory. Another theory is that the Dominican hooker story is true and the government is trying to whitewash it. Since everything that supposedly discredits the Daily Caller stories is coming through the Dominican government, I am perfectly willing to believe that theory as well.
Whether it's true or not it's still a brilliant strategy for muddying the waters until the story is just too murky for the media to cover.
Dirty Smell Hippies: The Early Days
And what does Leftism have against bathing anyway?
The Karl Marx depicted in Jonathan Sperber's absorbing, meticulously researched biography will be unnervingly familiar to anyone who has had even the most fleeting acquaintance with radical politics. Here is a man never more passionate than when attacking his own side, saddled with perennial money problems and still reliant on his parents for cash, constantly plotting new, world-changing ventures yet having trouble with both deadlines and personal hygiene, living in rooms that some might call bohemian, others plain "slummy," and who can be maddeningly inconsistent when not lapsing into elaborate flights of theory and unintelligible abstraction.
Still, it comes as a shock to realize that the ultimate leftist, the father of Communism itself, fits a recognizable pattern.
The Spirit Of The Bayonet Lives On
The US Army dropped bayonet training from basic training several years ago but now there's talk of bringing it back.
The U.S. Marine Corps still trains riflemen on how to use the bayonet, as does Britain. In fact, British troops were the last troops to actually use a bayonet charge in combat. This happened in 2004, when a patrol of 20 British troops in Basra, Iraq were ambushed by about a hundred Iraqi Shia militiamen. Help was still on the way when the commander of the British troops realized they were running out of ammo and the Iraqi gunmen were moving closer. So he ordered his troops to fix bayonets and charge. That thoroughly demoralized the Iraqis who, after some close combat with the British (Scots, actually) left 35 of them dead, all ran away. Some of the British troops were wounded but all survived. This, however, was one of the very few such incidents of bayonet use in the last decade. The problem is that Western troops tend to be well trained marksmen and Iraq or Afghan gunmen have learned not to get too close. So opportunities for launching a bayonet charge are increasingly rare.
And the last bayonet use before this was an assault by the Scots Guards on Argentinian positions during the Falklands War.
Plus bayonets are getting better:
In 2003, the Marine Corps replaced its standard-issue bayonet with a longer, sharper model, the OKC-3S. The new model, designed by New York's Ontario Knife Co., was also more effective when brandished as a hand knife - not to mention more ergonomically correct. Perhaps more vitally, the blades were also better able to pierce body armor, a concern particular to modern warriors. More than 120,000 bayonets were commissioned to supply one to each Marine, at an estimated price of $36.35 each, or $4.36 million total.
The EPA is Gunning for Wood Burning Stoves
If you like your stove, you can keep it...for now.
The EPA's new environmental regulations reduce the amount of airborne fine-particle matter from 15 micrograms to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air.
This means that most wood burning stoves would now fall into a class that would deemed unacceptable under these new draconian measures. The EPA has even launched a nifty new website called "burn wise" to try to sway public opinion.
The local air pollution agency says I can't sell my old wood stove to help pay for an EPA-certified wood stove. Why is that?
Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else. For this reason, wood stove changeout programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.
Simple and easy to understand. I think it's the build-up from the physical model that really makes it clear.
Can Sex Between Consenting Adults Be a Crime?
Well it was in Arkansas until the Supreme Court overturned the law.
David Paschal, a former teacher at Elkins High School engaged in a sexual relationship with one of his students in 2010. The student who was 18 years old, alerted authorities of her relationship with Paschal after the two separated.The former history and psychology instructor was charged with four counts of sexual assault and was sentence to 30 years behind bars.
However, since the student was a legal adult and the sex was consensual, the Arkansas Supreme Court granted Paschal his freedom.
"Regardless of how we feel about Paschal's conduct, which could correctly be referred to as reprehensible, we cannot abandon our duty to uphold the rule of law when a case presents distasteful facts," the court said.
Paschal should have been fired of course but not sent to prison.
Well since my maternal grandfather had more than a bit of gorilla in him this is one bullet that I dodged. Unfortunately my pelt does sometimes chafe when I'm wearing human clothes.
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Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 06:47 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 06:48 PM (5H6zj)
but knowing that Special Agent Jay-Z likes our Pirate Ship Name....
*shudder*
wonder if this was the jay-Z Power Tower of Bubbly?
Posted by: Harlekwin15-Emergency back Up Angst ID at April 03, 2013 06:48 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 06:49 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2013 06:49 PM (c/58R)
Posted by: sluggo at April 03, 2013 06:50 PM (vVv3V)
Posted by: Waterhouse at April 03, 2013 06:52 PM (ypgEI)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2013 06:53 PM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Infidel at April 03, 2013 06:53 PM (gqEUi)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 06:53 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 03, 2013 06:54 PM (TQOZk)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 06:54 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 06:54 PM (bP2re)
well I am on pace to have had a life this week and maybe not be a top 10 award winning or is that summons winning moron this week...
be safe y'all and stay out of CAC's stash
Posted by: Harlekwin15-Emergency back Up Angst ID at April 03, 2013 06:54 PM (LRFds)
I would love to have known her.
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 10:49 PM (8lmkt)
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But you were just a kid. The candle burned out long before the legend ever did.
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2013 06:54 PM (c/58R)
so, uh, this is not about pubes, though, right? cause everybody wants those puppies gone these days . . . so glad I don't have secks anymore, it would be super annoying to have to do that.
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 06:54 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 03, 2013 06:54 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: sluggo at April 03, 2013 06:55 PM (vVv3V)
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2013 10:54 PM (c/58R)
Nicely played, USS D . . . I didn't even realize I was teeing that up. 
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 06:56 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 06:56 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Elizabethe at April 03, 2013 06:56 PM (qPCAa)
Posted by: sTevo at April 03, 2013 06:56 PM (sYewh)
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 06:57 PM (bKA83)
Posted by: and irresolute at April 03, 2013 06:57 PM (DBH1h)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 06:58 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 10:50 PM (+iA5G)
JUST the cuffs, no pants, just the cuffs.
And that woodstove deal? Try taking on off an Alaskan. EPA meets superior firepower.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 06:58 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Elizabethe at April 03, 2013 10:56 PM (qPCAa)
Heather Radish??? you need to 'splain yourself, lucy . . .
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 06:58 PM (8lmkt)
..I didn't even realize I was teeing that up.
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 10:56 PM (8lmkt)
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Ha, I would have bet the farm yours was deliberate. Ching!
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2013 06:58 PM (c/58R)
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It is interesting to see how the Left is indirectly trying to create wealth through the Broken Window fallacy.
We destroyed millions (billions?) in value with all the cars we destroy in Cash-for-perfecty-good-used-cars but we created economic activity...replacing...partially...not building on the value destroyed.
Why not stoves?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 06:59 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 06:59 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Lauren at April 03, 2013 07:00 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Whatev at April 03, 2013 07:00 PM (A7Wh1)
Posted by: Elizabethe at April 03, 2013 10:56 PM (qPCAa)
What's up with Heather?
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:00 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 03, 2013 07:00 PM (7j5N9)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 07:00 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 10:55 PM (aDwsi)
Yes I did. Here: http://tinyurl.com/bvtvub8 the red convertible, no pics of it on the track because I was the cameraman today.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:00 PM (yh0zB)
Is anyone else having stinkbug infestations?
I'm at wit's end. Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 03, 2013 11:00 PM
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Some problems ~ month ago. Subsided now. Lady Bugs have moved in...
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 07:01 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:01 PM (+iA5G)
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There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum. It's breathtaking. I suggest you try it.
Posted by: Dr Evil at April 03, 2013 07:01 PM (zPVBH)
Yes, but deciding whether you approve of Marilyn Monroe is somewhat beside the point. She was one of those very rare women who throw off a kittenish animal charisma like fairy dust. She cast a spell. She riveted the eyes. In a way, it was probably quite a burden, and that she didn't fully stand up under it can't be a complete surprise.
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 07:01 PM (bKA83)
I'm at wit's end.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 03, 2013 11:00 PM (7j5N9)
Nope. I've had box elder bugs all winter long, but no stinkbugs.
Hate those little fuckers.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:01 PM (VLG62)
Hi, Y-not!!!! {{{}}}
Who the fuck is bashing on single wimmens? Cause, you know me, I'd just bash 'em back harder . . . wtf is that all about? She's probably just sick of all the shit and having a bad day (I hope). Lot of that going around these last few horrible years.
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 07:02 PM (8lmkt)
A $300 pallet of coal will roast a house at about 80 degrees for a winter (I hear).
Posted by: Whatev at April 03, 2013 11:00 PM (A7Wh1)
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Yes. Buddy had one back in the early 90s, that son of a bitch did a hell of a job. We used bags of coal pellets. Or chips or something.
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2013 07:02 PM (c/58R)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 10:58 PM (5H6zj)
The only bitch I have about single wimmins is there doesn't seem to be enough of them where I am.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:02 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Dr Evil at April 03, 2013 11:01 PM (zPVBH)
Don't have one, but hey, you go on and enjoy that, mkay?
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:02 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: and irresolute at April 03, 2013 07:03 PM (DBH1h)
She's fed up with the single wimmens bashing and life in general, I think. Vented on the Amanda Marcotte thread.
I think she has a better sense of humor than that. I'm a single wimmin and the taxes suck the big green donkey dick, but other than going awol, what can you do?
Maybe just a fucked up week?!
Posted by: Infidel at April 03, 2013 07:03 PM (gqEUi)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:03 PM (5H6zj)
Yes. That she was very, very stupid.
As reflected by her romantic involvement with several of the Kennedy men.
And there are still many, many questions about the Kennedys and her untimely demise.
For instance, who were those two men reported to have been entering the front door of her home the night before she was found dead? One bearing a distinct resemblance to Bobby Kennedy, and the other, bearing no resemblance to anyone in particular but carrying a black doctor's bag.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2013 07:03 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Secret Squirrel's Ballz Und Sheft at April 03, 2013 07:03 PM (0SmH0)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:04 PM (39q3n)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 07:04 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:04 PM (GEICT)
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Ok, send all the single wimmens my way - cuddles are free. premium cuddles cost a bit more. Oh, and the Platinum package includes pancakes in the morning.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:04 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Lauren at April 03, 2013 07:04 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:05 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Seedy Effigy at April 03, 2013 07:05 PM (rz0yi)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:05 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 10:55 PM (aDwsi)
Yes I did. Here: http://tinyurl.com/bvtvub8 the red convertible, no pics of it on the track because I was the cameraman today.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 11:00 PM
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Ah, yes. The Mustang. Got it. Geeze..., didn't spend enough time on the pics..., just saw cars on the track. I remember seeing Tullius driving the Team 44 Triumph there..., a few years ago. I keep meaning to drop by for some of the vintage events.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 07:05 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 11:04 PM (zPVBH)
I'm married. Can I just come by in the morning for the pancakes?
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:05 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 10:58 PM (5H6zj)
??
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 03, 2013 07:05 PM (pAlYe)
I have never in my entire moron-life seen that. Of course, I haven't been a denizen of the daytime threads in some years. Heather's a tough cookie and I like her a lot and I'm sorry to hear this. She's on the prayer list and I'm available for a group smiting anytime she wants to roll that out.
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 07:06 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:06 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 11:04 PM (GEICT)
wow, and it's not even summertime yet.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:06 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Elizabethe at April 03, 2013 07:06 PM (qPCAa)
Posted by: Secret Squirrel's Ballz Und Sheft at April 03, 2013 07:06 PM (0SmH0)
Posted by: otho at April 03, 2013 07:06 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 07:06 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 11:05 PM (5H6zj)
Really? I don't recall anything like this.
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 03, 2013 07:07 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Daenerys Targaryen at April 03, 2013 07:07 PM (ypgEI)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2013 07:07 PM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 03, 2013 07:07 PM (A2jNh)
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I continue to be amazed that people pay their taxes, and then turn around and vote for the current ruling class again and again.
I mean, at least Louis 14th had style, and he didn't demand you vote for him in return for taking half your stuff every year.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:07 PM (zPVBH)
here in J-ville. Fire is still burning. Over 100 firefighters fighting
it at one point yesterday.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 11:04 PM (GEICT)
wow, and it's not even summertime yet.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 11:06 PM
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Seems that about 1/2 of the 'controlled burns' transition to 'uncontrolled'
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 07:07 PM (aDwsi)
Awesome. State agency lost control of a "controlled burn" here in J-ville. Fire is still burning. Over 100 firefighters fighting it at one point yesterday.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 11:04 PM (GEICT)
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Florida screwing up? Noooo..
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2013 07:08 PM (c/58R)
Posted by: Secret Squirrel's Ballz Und Sheft at April 03, 2013 07:08 PM (0SmH0)
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 11:04 PM (zPVBH)
This. Gingers to the front of the line, no charge for the Platinum package. 
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:08 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: The Pyromaniac Hat at April 03, 2013 07:08 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:08 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at April 03, 2013 07:09 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:09 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 03, 2013 07:09 PM (+k7m4)
Posted by: Sterling Archer at April 03, 2013 07:10 PM (c/58R)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 11:05 PM (aDwsi)
Two of the Mustang club members have Lemons cars, both of them SN95 (the ones right after the Fox body), one a six and one an 8. They run at VIR a lot.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:10 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2013 11:06 PM (GVxQo)
back when I was daytime, we would've taken 'em out. in pieces. but, i am missing survivor . . . brb!
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 07:10 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 11:00 PM (bP2re)
Or when you let your torches and pitchforks rot in the corner unused.
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 07:10 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:10 PM (GEICT)
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/small print on page 15:
...No changes of scheduled allowed for platinum package. No shirts, no shoes encouraged....
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:10 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2013 07:10 PM (GVxQo)
Speaking of bugs, 17 year cicadas are back this Summer baby! Get ready.
Posted by: Elizabethe at April 03, 2013 11:06 PM (qPCAa)
--Uh, I don't know where you live, but according to my math. they're not due in MD and VA until 2021.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:11 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:11 PM (ZCAlb)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 11:06 PM (yh0zB)
Good news is that we've got some hellacious thunderstorms rolling through tonight and all day tomorrow. So that should kill it if nothing else does.
Bunch of freakin geniuses. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 11:08 PM
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Some of that moisture will produce frozen precip at high elevations out west (here). Last blast, I reckon.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 07:11 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:11 PM (GEICT)
I continue to be amazed that people pay their taxes, and then turn around and vote for the current ruling class again and again.
Don't vote for those fuckers either. Try to stay under the radar as much I can. Sometimes can't be helped.
Posted by: Infidel at April 03, 2013 07:11 PM (gqEUi)
I think she has a really terrible mom, for one thing. But we do get into hatin' on the single wimmens around here sometimes b/c they voted for Obama.
I've not seen that. But if it was here, surely there was an implicit exception for women like Heather; we don't do groups except as conversation, we do individuals. I don't know Heather, but I know damn well she didn't vote for Obama and a life as the ward of the state. Else she would not have been here. Heather, if you're reading, I know I don't know you, but stay strong. We're all in this fight together, and it is not easy for any of us.
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 07:11 PM (bKA83)
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:11 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:12 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:12 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Secret Squirrel's Ballz Und Sheft at April 03, 2013 11:06 PM (0SmH0)
--Read Paul Johnson's Intellectuals. Real eye-openeer, and not just on Marx.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:12 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2013 07:12 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Hopeless at April 03, 2013 07:12 PM (Hi24w)
hi elizabethe
just tired, getting ready for a big conference next week
how are yinz tonite
Posted by: chemjeff at April 03, 2013 07:12 PM (BBWjt)
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Isn't this a pretty much a perfect case of equal blame?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:12 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Elizabethe at April 03, 2013 07:12 PM (qPCAa)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2013 07:13 PM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:13 PM (5H6zj)
It's not meant to be hurtful, but obviously hits a nerve.
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 11:09 PM (5H6zj)
Again I don't recall seeing anything like this other than maybe a stray comment once in a few threads. I think this is more a case of reading something more into comments than is really there.
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 03, 2013 07:13 PM (pAlYe)
60 posts at 9.
Slow night or late ONT?
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 11:07 PM (LuB2s)
--Fine by me. Easier to keep pace with. Especially when drinking.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:13 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Pope Cavil I, Cylon Catholic Church at April 03, 2013 07:14 PM (mbxHg)
Posted by: EC at April 03, 2013 07:14 PM (doBIb)
I know this thread is dead but I want this on record: I think ATC is right and DeGette committed a gaffe, which means she accidentally told the truth. She knows something we don't, which is that they are going to find a way to make ammo scarce. Maybe they'll buy it up, maybe they'll put a prohibitive tax on it, I don't know. What it all boils down to is that while she might not know a clip from a magazine, she's not stupid, just an inept liar, and we should be afraid.
Posted by: joncelli at April 03, 2013 07:14 PM (CWlPF)
"And we do have a lot of threads where we're bitching about single wimmens"
Like her? : http://tinyurl.com/dywrjcf
Ah, I'm in love again...
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 03, 2013 07:14 PM (lbiWb)
Posted by: chemjeff at April 03, 2013 07:14 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: The Chemical Hat at April 03, 2013 07:14 PM (Vk2pI)
Daily Caller is rolling out a series of Evan Sayet interviews this week. One of them has, I think, given me my first glimpse ever into why they do that. Short summary is that they think they're in Kindergarden and they should share. Mr. Sayet has refined his thinking since his widely-noticed Heritage Foundation speech, and is very much worth a listen. I may even buy his book.
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 07:14 PM (bKA83)
Single women went like 500% for Obsama. Maybe that's where some of the anti came from.
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2013 07:15 PM (c/58R)
Posted by: Elizabethe at April 03, 2013 07:15 PM (qPCAa)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:15 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 03, 2013 07:15 PM (A2jNh)
Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2013 11:12 PM (sdi6R)
They may look cool, but there are only so many of them I care to have commit suicide on the bathroom floor and in the dog's water dish. They are the Obamas of the insect world; everywhere you look, there they are, and they just keep getting more stupid daily.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:16 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Secret Squirrel's Ballz Und Sheft at April 03, 2013 07:16 PM (0SmH0)
Posted by: The Chemical Hat at April 03, 2013 11:14 PM (Vk2pI)
yup
Posted by: chemjeff at April 03, 2013 07:16 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at April 03, 2013 07:16 PM (Zd/NW)
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Really? I read (several days ago) they're expected this year.
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 11:12 PM (5H6zj)
--I was at UMCP when they burst out of the ground in 2004.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:16 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:17 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:17 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Arbalest at April 03, 2013 07:18 PM (ZtTa1)
Posted by: chemjeff at April 03, 2013 11:14 PM (BBWjt)
I kind of got the impression that she's been catching crap from her mom and sister about being unmarried and child-less. I've generously offered a couple of my kids to make up for the lack, but I don't think there was any interest there.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:18 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:18 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Elizabethe at April 03, 2013 11:06 PM (qPCAa)
--Uh, I don't know where you live, but according to my math. they're not due in MD and VA until 2021.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 11:11 PM (+iA5G)
Those are the ones who showed up in 2004. We're getting another (slightly smaller) round this year of a different brood.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, where is my hockey game????? at April 03, 2013 07:18 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: The Chemical Hat at April 03, 2013 07:19 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Joejm65 at April 03, 2013 07:19 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: joncelli at April 03, 2013 07:19 PM (CWlPF)
Let me just throw this out here:
Parts of ObamaCare are starting to fray, even before full implementation.
The Obama administration now says a special system of exchanges designed to make it easier for small businesses to provide insurance will be delayed an entire year -- to 2015.
I kinda hate how 'conspiracy' I have gotten since 2009, although some have panned out, but I think it is to try to keep the senate and win the house for the dems cause they knew 2014 was gonna be a clusterfuck. Maybe that's just me.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 03, 2013 07:19 PM (IY7Ir)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:19 PM (Ba6aP)
Posted by: Lauren at April 03, 2013 07:19 PM (wsGWu)
***
If you think you have too much money and should share it - feel free to do so without the government threatening to send armed men to your door to take your things and throw you in prison.
That being said, I disagree with Sayet
All of the upper middle class/lower upper class liberals I know *say* that we need to "share" with the poor. When you ask them why they can't voluntarily and individually "share" - and these people have plenty of money that they use for things like entertainment - the answer is because the "rich" won't share, so you have to force them to.
That these liberals are "rich" by other people's standards is something they intentionally ignore. They also take every deduction and gray area they can to minimize taxes...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:19 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: The Chemical Hat at April 03, 2013 11:19 PM (Vk2pI)
WTF?
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:20 PM (VLG62)
logprof- thanks for the tip amigo. will order it from amazon tonight.
Posted by: Secret Squirrel's Ballz Und Sheft at April 03, 2013 11:16 PM (0SmH0)
--You will *not* be disappointed. You can easily read one chapter (on one "intellectual") per day, if not per sitting. I learned more than I wanted to, but plenty I needed to.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:20 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Infidel at April 03, 2013 07:20 PM (gqEUi)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 07:21 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:21 PM (yhYn1)
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2013 07:21 PM (c/58R)
you are a chemist too?
sheesh, how many chemists do we have here at the HQ? that's pretty weird
no, no oral presentation this time, just my students giving a poster
Posted by: chemjeff at April 03, 2013 07:22 PM (BBWjt)
Oh fuckity fuck fuck.
Posted by: joncelli at April 03, 2013 11:19 PM (CWlPF)
Have you heard from her, lately?
I hate this stuff. Heather, check in, ASAP.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:22 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:22 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:22 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2013 07:23 PM (GVxQo)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 07:23 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: Secret Squirrel's Ballz Und Sheft at April 03, 2013 07:23 PM (0SmH0)
Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2013 07:23 PM (sdi6R)
I think maybe you disagree with my clumsy summary of Sayet. See what he has to say directly and see if you still disagree. I don't think you'll find it a waste of time.
It's a complex and novel thesis he's putting forward, and I don't have it completely digested yet. That's why I may need to buy the book.
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 07:23 PM (bKA83)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:23 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:24 PM (GEICT)
http://tinyurl.com/d8a5mtw
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 11:17 PM (5H6zj)
145 Looks like there are several "broods" logprof.
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 11:17 PM (5H6zj)
--Elizabethe originally mentioned 17-year. The critters I saw in Maryland were most certainly the 17-year variety.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:24 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:24 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Jake in ID at April 03, 2013 07:24 PM (zzeVM)
Posted by: EC at April 03, 2013 07:25 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 03, 2013 07:25 PM (A2jNh)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 07:25 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:25 PM (GEICT)
Odd seeing differentials come up. Gots to replace the pinion and side bearings on the Ramcharger this year.
All those full throttle runs take their toll after a bit. I'd be totally lost with out that truck, so have no plan to replace the thing. There's NO rust anywhere (never exposed it to road salt, I put it away for winter) and I can repair any mechanical item that gives up.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 03, 2013 07:25 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:26 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: AltonJackson (new content up} at April 03, 2013 07:26 PM (JMmQ9)
Meh. I guess so. I just learned not to let other people's negative opinion of me (or any group to which I belong) hurt my feelings a long time ago. I know not everyone can do that, though.
That's part of why I don't intervene when that kind of thing comes up. She's a grown-up lady-like person, I'm sure she can handle herself.
And, if Alex in CO really blamed single women for "most" STDs, I hope someone tore him a new one and then shoved his head in it. That's just stupid.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 11:18 PM (nUH8H)
--HR and I had a mini-flame war about donating to Haitian victims of the earthquake a few years ago, but I just agree to disagree, and I can;t speak for her but I don't take that personally to this day.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:26 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 07:26 PM (8sCoq)
***
Very few people get to do what they love. Telling people to focus on that exclusively is a bad idea, IMO.
Instead find something you are good at that you don't mind doing. I think this is *much* more attainable. I'd rather not head into the office on a Monday morning if I didn't have to, but I don't dread it either.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:26 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 11:24 PM (GEICT)
What I meant was, I only saw one post that could be interpreted as suicidal thoughts, and IIRC it was the last one she put up before going to twitter and calling it a night.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:26 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Infidel at April 03, 2013 11:20 PM (gqEUi)
Hhhgghhh. You are kidding, right.
Posted by: Solyndra and other Green Energy ventures at April 03, 2013 07:27 PM (vfB2N)
Consider that, and people have bad days that we don't know about and others don't tell us about.
The single women bashing and "there's something wrong with them for not marrying before 30" insinuations hit a raw nerve with her
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 07:27 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 11:24 PM (5H6zj)
Well, if it ain't one thing, it's your mother.
There's a reason why I live 4500 miles from mine.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:27 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Secret Squirrel's Ballz Und Sheft at April 03, 2013 07:28 PM (0SmH0)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:28 PM (5H6zj)
Marissa Tomei can explain it better than me. Just watch My Cousin Vinny.
PS-- my 69 Vette has the dual axle posi-trac differential. Don't ask me exactly how it works, though.
re the Heather situation -- there's been frequent expressions about how single moms and out of wedlock births are destroying America and their children in particular. I'm not sure how that plays into whatever has her upset.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 07:28 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: EC at April 03, 2013 07:28 PM (doBIb)
>>>this blog has long had a misogynistic streak - it waxes and wanes but it's always there
If worshipping Kate Upton, Kate Middleton, Kate Bekinsale, or any other hottie who may or may not be name 'Kate' is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 07:28 PM (+wSjv)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:29 PM (39q3n)
Posted by: Cthulhu's tantalizing tentacles of titillation at April 03, 2013 07:29 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:29 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Beagle at April 03, 2013 07:29 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 07:29 PM (8sCoq)
>>>So many good people around here I wish could find solid, happy relationships.
Don't go wishing that shit on me!
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 07:30 PM (+wSjv)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 11:26 PM (8sCoq)
That's a shame. I absolutely lurves wimmins. If I was one I'd have to be a lesbian, that's how much I lurves 'em.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:30 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:30 PM (5H6zj)
What are these "taxes" of which you speak?
Posted by: Half Of America at April 03, 2013 07:30 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 07:31 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:31 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: RWC at April 03, 2013 07:31 PM (sqp6o)
http://tinyurl.com/c8hjfd3
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 11:19 PM (bKA83)
--From that link, a comment by the author:
Thanks for the comments everyone. To respond to a few questions:
Miglena, the 2004 swarm was a different brood -- Brood X as they're known. That brood is also on a 17-year cycle, but not one that coincides with the Brood 2 cicadas that we'll see this year.
And James, sounds like you had a memorable wedding!
Dan Stone
--That explains it. I remember waking up the middle of the night in my humble cellar abode that spring and hearing the cicada song, and wondering why I heard a sound like a UFO in an old sci-fi movie. That shit was crazy.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:31 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:32 PM (VLG62)
Fookin' Scots -- and Scots-Irish -- they'll send ye off after yer shine-box.
Posted by: Cthulhu's tantalizing tentacles of titillation at April 03, 2013 07:32 PM (kaalw)
Consider that, and people have bad days that we don't know about and others don't tell us about.
The single women bashing and "there's something wrong with them for not marrying before 30" insinuations hit a raw nerve with her
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 11:27 PM (mCvL4)
But also remember that people sometimes read the comments in the voice of the dark thoughts running around in their head. And that can sound a lot different from what was actually written.
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 03, 2013 07:32 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 07:32 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: The Late Rodney King at April 03, 2013 07:33 PM (JMmQ9)
Umm...hello? Forgetting someone?
Posted by: Thai Midget Tranny Hookers at April 03, 2013 07:33 PM (BBWjt)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 11:28 PM (5H6zj)
Not really expecting one this late in life. I've been blessed with a couple of good ones, and if that's all I get I guess it's enough.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:33 PM (yh0zB)
And would it be wrong when someones parent or loved one is denied care to ask them how they vote? Because basically i want to rub their nose in it like when a puppy shits on the carpet. Posted by: RWC at April 03, 2013 11:31 PM
====
Lamentably, we're going to be the ones that have to clean up the mess..., or endure the stench...
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2013 07:33 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 07:33 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Jay and/or Silent Bob at April 03, 2013 07:33 PM (Vk2pI)
***
I would hope we could distinguish judging a group based on the problematic actions of the majority of the group, and irrationally hating members of that same group?
There are some very real problems with our society that can be laid at the feet of the majority of American women. Not all by any stretch, but most.
To look at it another way, I live in a blue state. My fellow blue staters have deeply damaged America (perhaps irrevocably) by the decisions they've made. I take no offense at criticizing my neighbors because they deserve the criticism, nor do I take offense when people bash my state or region even though that nominally includes me.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:34 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: RWC at April 03, 2013 11:31 PM (
Hell no. I actually have a few on the list that will get that exact treatment.
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 07:34 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 07:34 PM (8sCoq)
I think I put the Grinch to shame that fine evening.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:34 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Ma Bell at April 03, 2013 07:35 PM (RLdcX)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:35 PM (KwX0v)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2013 07:35 PM (MBqvE)
Yes, it sounds just like that. There's no sound on Earth like it. I was a kid when I saw it, so I just took it in stride that the world could sound like a UFO for a few weeks, and the walk to school could be extra-crunchy. I looked close-up at one of those huge freaky bugs, once, and I decided not to do that again.
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 07:35 PM (bKA83)
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 11:35 PM (bKA83)
My favorite part is when they molt and drop their ugly body cases on you from the trees above.
Filthy bastards.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:38 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:38 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2013 07:38 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 03, 2013 07:38 PM (GE81t)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:39 PM (nUH8H)
Disagree. How many of those problems you're referring to are really problems with the State deciding to take over the role that husbands are supposed to have?
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 07:39 PM (bKA83)
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:39 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 07:39 PM (I2LwF)
I'm not a Marilyn fan but she had a certain special "look" that can't be duplicated. Though scores of celebrities have tried. Seems like every female celebrity must do her stint as Marilyn. Kind of like they must prove they are to be taken seriously by appearing topless in a movie. Anyhoo, two that immediately come to mind are Madonna (in "Who's That Girl" <which I never saw but didn't live under a rock so saw numerous previews> ) and Lindsay Lohan.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at April 03, 2013 07:39 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:39 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Beagle at April 03, 2013 07:40 PM (sOtz/)
WHAT???? Okay, I am the last person to organize a prayer circle, but if that's true, then we need to do this, starting right the fuck now. I am gobsmacked. She's a good girl and I love her. I hate that she is so unhappy and has so lost her way. Pray hard, morons. Please.
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 07:40 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 11:32 PM (VLG62)
--I was 36 when I married and my wife was 32. We had our first babeh just under a year ago, when she was 34 and I was 39.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:40 PM (+iA5G)
***
Having gone back into the dating pool later in life, it is interesting to see how much harder dating is once you've got obligations and real responsibilities.
So not only do you have to avoid the crazies, find someone who meshes with you (and vice versa), but now someone who is interested and able to deal with your life situation (and vice versa).
AND the fracturing of popular culture means that you are *much* less likely to have common interests.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:40 PM (zPVBH)
As far as after the burning time, I have no hope of survival. Without my meds I'm a freak show.
My plan is to be the first up against the barricades when the hard fighting comes. Buy all the rest of you some time to reload.
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 07:40 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:41 PM (nUH8H)
I think we're going to be on our own for medical care in the not too distant future.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 11:39 PM (nUH8H)
That's ironical. I was once a CPR instructor with the USN, and right now at work I'm taking first aid classes so I can be a part of the Emergency Response Team - Code Blue (medical emergencies). Too fat and old to carry your ass out of a fire, but maybe I can put some oxygen to you when the young heroic ones get you out.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:41 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: shibumi at April 03, 2013 07:41 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: joncelli at April 03, 2013 07:41 PM (CWlPF)
I can't wait to see this Jackie Robinson movie. FINALLY, someone is speaking about how racism was so prevalent in America's history.
I love satire. Thanks.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 07:41 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Joejm65 at April 03, 2013 07:41 PM (UZuc4)
Not wimmens' fault.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:42 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Secret Squirrel's Ballz Und Sheft at April 03, 2013 07:42 PM (0SmH0)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 03, 2013 07:42 PM (7j5N9)
Posted by: Whatev at April 03, 2013 07:42 PM (A7Wh1)
Posted by: RWC at April 03, 2013 07:42 PM (sqp6o)
Posted by: Irishacres at April 03, 2013 07:42 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:42 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Waterhouse at April 03, 2013 07:42 PM (ypgEI)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 07:42 PM (8sCoq)
Yes. One way to reduce the Government's health care costs is to make health care so horrific that people avoid it. Even early death is preferable to time spent in a hospital, at the mercy of an SEIU nurse who cannot be fired.
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 07:43 PM (bKA83)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 03, 2013 07:43 PM (+k7m4)
Me too!
( * Y * )
Posted by: meeeeghan mccain at April 03, 2013 07:43 PM (VwC86)
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 07:43 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: helofixer at April 03, 2013 07:43 PM (z3FAo)
Posted by: #OccupyTheWhiteHouse at April 03, 2013 07:43 PM (e8kgV)
Great book. Shows that the "leftist = miserable piece of shit cocksucker" thing goes back a LONG ways.
'sup jackwagons
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2013 11:35 PM (MBqvE)
--A'ight, ITC. Recommended that book to Ace, and he said he would take it up. Hope he does. It will lead to multitudinous voluminous posts. 
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:43 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 11:39 PM (I2LwF)
Tru, I just checked and I do not have her email. Would you be kind enough to share mine with her, in case she wants to reach out for any reason whatever? carolinvenice at teh hooyah thingy. Thanks, buddy.
Posted by: Peaches at April 03, 2013 07:43 PM (8lmkt)
***
We have the government that a majority of the voters have decided to give us.
Yes the State Media skews things, but people are responsible for their decisions.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:44 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 07:44 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 07:44 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 11:40 PM (zPVBH)
Also, older means more set in your ways and less likely to bend to the whim of your object of desire.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:44 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 11:39 PM (bKA83)
Most. Including the problem of absentee dads with the resulting kids that act like assholes. That's what happens when the state replaces dad with a welfare check. Our boys have no one to look up to, they grow into bigger boys who just see how many holes they can stick a dick into which ends up just making the problem worse. This is where we get a 17 year old who will shoot a baby in the face without a moment's thought over a couple of bucks.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:45 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 11:27 PM (mCvL4)
These statements keep getting thrown out there. Like it's a constant around here. And I just don't see it.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 11:29 PM (GEICT)
I don't know how old HR is but I do know she's a rockin' aunt. Heck, I want her as my aunt. Disclaimer: I did not read the earlier threads that have been mentioned so this comment is based on what I've read here. But I'll say that as someone older than 30 who is not married, it's already heavy on my mind that (a) I'm not married; and (b) the clock is ticking. Whether or not I ever want to get married or have kids, I don't need reminding of (a) and (b), and I can get grumpy if people point it out. It doesn't have to be a statement directed my way but just something I read or hear that reminds me of what I already know.
I could have the HR situation wrong (yes, I'm a female who admits I could be wrong!), and I'm sure some people reading this may be thinking that it's not their problem if something they say annoys a single woman with a ticking biological clock (particularly if there are nosy relatives involved). I understand that perspective. This is just to throw my opinion out there during the 2nd intermission.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 03, 2013 07:45 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 07:45 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:45 PM (FC8Yl)
Occupy, that is a dumb shit comment. Every time marginal tax rates are lowered, revenue has increased.
The spending is the problem-- 100%
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 07:46 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:46 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: helofixer at April 03, 2013 07:46 PM (z3FAo)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at April 03, 2013 07:46 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:47 PM (GcwH1)
***
Not exactly.
The party, uh, tireless government workers who have our best interests at heart, will have one set of clinics and hospitals the proles, uh, kulaks, uh, middle class will have another.
And much like the separate but "equal" facilities common in the Jim Crow era, they will not be.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:47 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Splunge at April 03, 2013 11:35 PM (bKA83)
--I recall the previous outbreak as a kid in VA in '87. I did not hear the UFO sound, but I remember watching TV and hearing a sound like a live wire buzzing. I opened the front door and saw our calico kitteh staring at me with a live red-eyed cicada, still buzzing in her mouth, proud as punch. I actually laughed my ass off once I saw that source of my consternation. 
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:47 PM (+iA5G)
Not wimmens' fault.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 11:42 PM (VLG62)
Nothing is anyone's fault, anyway, right? Except white Republican heterosexual males. Fucking everything is their fault.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 07:47 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:47 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Lemmenkainen at April 03, 2013 07:48 PM (K1JW0)
Posted by: helofixer at April 03, 2013 07:48 PM (z3FAo)
Posted by: Cthulhu's tantalizing tentacles of titillation at April 03, 2013 07:48 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:48 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: RWC at April 03, 2013 07:49 PM (sqp6o)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 07:49 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 11:38 PM (yh0zB)
Hot and juicy redhead.http://youtu.be/_iaYTVn-gxY
Posted by: Michael Scott at April 03, 2013 07:49 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 03, 2013 07:50 PM (A2jNh)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:50 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:50 PM (GEICT)
Nothing is anyone's fault, anyway, right? Except white Republican heterosexual males. Fucking everything is their fault.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 11:47 PM (IDSI7)
Women are, individually, responsible for their own actions. We are not, collectively, responsible for the dickless and brainless legislation produced by morons. White Republican heterosexual males are responsible for exactly what they do or don't do, individually. Period.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:50 PM (VLG62)
--
Just to jump in for a minute, I always think WTF to this kind of reasoning. It takes two for a woman to get knocked up. If the man splits leaving her to raise the kids (not to mention, she didn't abort), then people place all the blame on her while the cad escapes all responsibility cause he's long gone? Effed up. Though yes I do think she deserves half the blame for the problem but does not deserve to be demonized for raising the kids by herself. Absent fathers deserve a heaping share of the blame. (i'm purposefully skipping the subject of welfare, but here again both parents are responsible)
BTW, I'm not a single mom. Am presently single and I can see how the single woman/single mother bashing could hit some people wrong, especially on a bad day. As for me, generally I just think people saying such things are venting and they certainly don't mean the chicas here. Cause what's better than a single conservative girl??
Posted by: Mayday at April 03, 2013 07:51 PM (F3s39)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 03, 2013 07:51 PM (nKxMO)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 07:51 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:51 PM (DlaLh)
photo in name
Posted by: helofixer at April 03, 2013 11:43 PM (z3FAo)
Black Aces, now VFA-41 flying the F/A-18F out of NAS Lemoore. They are one of the Hollywood squadrons, they've appeared in several movies (including Final Countdown). The other Hollywood squadron, the Jolly Rogers (VF-84), has been disestablished and their tail flash and name have been taken over by VFA-103 now.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:51 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:52 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 07:52 PM (I2LwF)
I don't know what condition you're treating with those meds, but there really are a lot of herbal remedies that can do a lot for you.
C'mon, Allen, you're usually a beacon of rationality. Most herbal "remedies" are pseudoscientific bullshit.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 07:52 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:52 PM (yhYn1)
Posted by: Waterhouse at April 03, 2013 07:52 PM (ypgEI)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 03, 2013 07:53 PM (+k7m4)
Posted by: shibumi at April 03, 2013 11:41 PM (z63Tr)
Who put those tiny daggers in your heart?
http://youtu.be/7F6KP99fEAM
Posted by: INXS at April 03, 2013 07:53 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 07:53 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 07:53 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2013 07:53 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: L, elle at April 03, 2013 07:53 PM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:53 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 11:48 PM (GEICT)
Back in the pre-insulin days diabetics could sometimes survive by living off of fat and alcohol. Basically an extreme version of Atkins.
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 03, 2013 07:54 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Mayday at April 03, 2013 11:51 PM
Two single conservative girls.
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 07:55 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:55 PM (ZgBZU)
"Just to be clear, the original Evil Dead was almost pure horror"
Sez you. I thought it campy and fun, topped only by parts 2 & 3.
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 03, 2013 07:55 PM (lbiWb)
Women are, individually, responsible for their own actions. We are not, collectively, responsible for the dickless and brainless legislation produced by morons. White Republican heterosexual males are responsible for exactly what they do or don't do, individually. Period.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 11:50 PM (VLG62)
So no collective is responsible for anything, in which case it is moronic (in the usual sense) to attribute blame or extend exoneration collectively. Right?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 07:55 PM (IDSI7)
• Miserable "Why can't I have it all?" single professional women
• Miserable "single women by choice" who, after replacing their child's father with the State, still mysteriously find life wanting.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 03, 2013 11:51 PM (nKxMO)
So, not having so much fun on the dating scene?
WTF?
How many of these women do you meet every day? Because I've got news for you--most of them are on the teevee and aren't real. Most women live with issues for just as long as they can stand it and then change their situation. Just like men, see how that works?
Your generalizations are offensive in the extreme.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:55 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 07:56 PM (zPVBH)
You can't tell what role you may play in someone's life. You can have an impact with someone that you don't even realize. I know that Heather has impacted the morons that hang out here, maybe even in a good way. I hope tomorrow is a better day for her.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 03, 2013 07:56 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: Mayday at April 03, 2013 11:51 PM (F3s39)
Single REDHEAD conservative girls, of course.
Preferably in my age group, with a good sense of humor.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 07:57 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:57 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 07:57 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 03, 2013 11:43 PM (+k7m4)
--There are thousands of species of cicadas. There were the ones who made the buzzing sound back in VA (annual), and the freaky 17-year ones that made the crazy-ass UFO hum. I understand that the 13- and 17-year species evolved in long prime-numerical cycles to prevent specialized predation.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 07:57 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 11:53 PM (nUH8H)
Earlier this evening I was flipping through the channels and QVC was selling Green Coffee Bean Extract, which Dr. Oz has claimed that in the right formulation will help you lose weight. There are herbal remedies, and then there are the other herbal remedies.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 03, 2013 07:57 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 11:55 PM (IDSI7)
Well, gosh, I guess we could blame all men for the sorry state of single mothers these days, seeing as how most single mothers got that way because of men.
How about we blame people for their own behavior for a change?
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 07:58 PM (VLG62)
Not "just as good" most of the time, but often more cost-effective. That is, the herb is often good enough for a patient's specific case, and much cheaper than the prescription alternative.
With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about, Allen. Stick to math, and leave the chemistry to chemists.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 07:58 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 07:59 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 07:59 PM (qpM85)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:00 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Joejm65 at April 03, 2013 08:00 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:00 PM (ZPrif)
Well, this thread is going to end well. Let's just hope it's saved by cheesecake. And Redheads...
Wait, isn't that redundant?
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 03, 2013 08:00 PM (lbiWb)
--
Well played.
Posted by: Mayday at April 04, 2013 12:00 AM (F3s39)
Hmmmm, could be lesbians....
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:01 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:01 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:00 AM (lbiWb)
If you're lucky...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 08:01 PM (yh0zB)
With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about, Allen. Stick to math, and leave the chemistry to chemists.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 11:58 PM (IDSI7)
Actually this can be true. Before some of the better anti-cholesterol drugs went generic red yeast rice was often more cost-effective. In fact it had enough natural lovastatin that the FDA at one point tried to classify it as a drug.
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 03, 2013 08:01 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 03, 2013 08:01 PM (gxSzO)
Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 12:01 AM (5H6zj)
It may be like Boston Cream Pie, which is not pie after all.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:02 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: The Political Hat, Proud Kyriarch at April 03, 2013 08:02 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 12:01 AM (5H6zj)
Cheesecake stands above the fray.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 08:02 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 03, 2013 08:02 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Jake in ID at April 03, 2013 08:02 PM (zzeVM)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 08:03 PM (GEICT)
>>Where does cheesecake fit in the great Cake vs Pie wars?
If it's made from Ricotta, no contest, the cheesecake wins hands down.
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 08:03 PM (JI5E7)
Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2013 08:03 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:03 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 04, 2013 12:01 AM (gxSzO)
ISWYDT
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 08:03 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:03 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:03 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:04 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 11:56 PM (zPVBH)
--Agree, but that goes double for frozen Oreo creme pie.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:04 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 04, 2013 12:02 AM (A/F7b)
Well, at least you're here. That's a start.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 08:04 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Irishacres at April 03, 2013 08:04 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 08:04 PM (JI5E7)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 08:05 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: tcn at April 04, 2013 12:03 AM (VLG62)
Gretzky. Sorry, grew up in Edmonton.
Remember, only the Lord saves more than Bernie Parent.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 03, 2013 08:05 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:05 PM (ZPrif)
371 I'm a brunette who doesn't like cheesecake. Sorry.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 04, 2013 12:02 AM (A/F7b)
how YOU doin?
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:06 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:06 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2013 08:06 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 04, 2013 12:05 AM (A/F7b)
Oh, well, we can always pray to St. Patrick of Roy, for the encore.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:06 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:06 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 03, 2013 08:06 PM (yh0zB)
I'm talking about "Hey, when your meds aren't available anymore, you can try this and it might keep you going for a while."
See the difference?
No. I'm sorry, I'm a fan of yours, but you're off base here.
Gaining approval of a drug is a huge deal. To put it in math terms, it's like coming up with a new proof of Fermat's Theorem. The vast majority of researchers spend decades at it, and never get a single drug of theirs approved. We're talking thousands - literally - of Ph.D. chemists. Many if not most drugs today would never gain approval. (Aspirin? Forget it. Wouldn't make it as far as Phase I clinical trials. Causes stomach bleeding at high concentrations? Adios.)
To equate the result of this process with the shit scraped off some Third World asshole's shoe, or some traditional suppository from Papua New Guinea (life expectancy: about ten minutes) is silly.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 08:07 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 12:06 AM (8sCoq)
The females there aren't helping for the most part.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 03, 2013 08:07 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:07 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 08:08 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 03, 2013 08:08 PM (A2jNh)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 03, 2013 08:08 PM (L8lZW)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:08 PM (8sCoq)
Gentle people, we have a challenge here.
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:06 AM (lbiWb)
You're in NoVa, right? Allow me to introduce you to the glory of the Nanaimo Bar.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 03, 2013 08:08 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:08 PM (5H6zj)
>>>well, cheesecake is awesome. But pecan pie is king.
You think with a portfolio like this that you can afford the duck Pecan Pie?
You can have the chicken ice cream.
Posted by: Patrick Stewart at April 03, 2013 08:08 PM (JI5E7)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 04, 2013 12:07 AM (A/F7b)
Well, it says something that the only women who can get elected to Congress have a collective IQ of less than Joe Biden. Some standards they have for that institution.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:08 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:09 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2013 08:10 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:10 PM (ZPrif)
There is a stretch of road - 4 lanes, straight, good visibility, road in reasonably good condition - with a 55 MPH speed limit.
The average driver does 65-70.
How does the speed limit get set so low? Hell if I know.
Anyway, the federal government already yanks the state's chains on things like drinking age.
Why not require a state have X% of their highways with a 65 or higher MPH speed limit to get federal transportation funds?
Yes the government should get out of the business of state transportation funds, but in the world we are in we can't get them out of subsiding State Media so that's a bit of a stretch.
Yeah, Obama or Reid would shoot it down. Which makes it an political issue. And if you look back at the Contract for America, what was the most lasting thing to come out of it? Removal of the national 55 MPH speed limit - and even many liberals grudgingly give them credit for it...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 08:10 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:11 PM (I2LwF)
#391 and #379, I trump you all with this: The Krispy Kreme Bombe.
We've done it twice, and it's, well, the "bombe".
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 03, 2013 08:11 PM (lbiWb)
Posted by: Pope Cavil I, Cylon Catholic Church at April 03, 2013 08:11 PM (mbxHg)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 08:11 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:10 AM (JI5E7)
You touch Peaches around here and you'll pull back a bloody stump.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:12 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:12 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, who finally has her hockey at April 04, 2013 12:08 AM (A/F7b)
--Mmmmm, Nanaimo bars.
Trivium: Nanaimo is also the birthplace of Diana Krall.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:12 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: EC at April 03, 2013 08:12 PM (doBIb)
Brunettes.
I don't really even look at the other ones...unless a moron posts a pic, that is.
...and Kate.
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 08:12 PM (JI5E7)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 03, 2013 08:12 PM (L8lZW)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:12 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Pope Cavil I, Cylon Catholic Church at April 03, 2013 08:12 PM (mbxHg)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 03, 2013 08:12 PM (LL42r)
Posted by: Weirddave at April 03, 2013 08:13 PM (VHfsw)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:13 PM (8sCoq)
How do you think those speed limits got there in the first place...?
***
Then why not use the same tool to fix the issue?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 08:13 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:13 PM (bP2re)
Fer'instance. My family pretty well all have high cholesterol (okay- not life shattering here, but it's one I have experience with). Of the four of us (mom, dad, one brother, me) who have sought treatment for same, two were treated only with RX drugs (well, and "diet and exercise"), and two were treated with specific nutrition supplements instead. The two of us who took the nutrition supplements did not see the same degree of success as the two on RX meds, but we did see success (and enough, for us, that we didn't need the meds). ]/i]
I love anecdotes as much as anyone, but this is of a piece with saying "1 is prime, 2 is prime, 3 is prime, therefore all prime integers are prime."
Put another way, what sort of p value would you put on a sample size of four?
Notwithstanding the fact that we're talking about a qualitative impression of relative efficacy. "How do you feel?" "Pretty good." "How do you feel?" "Not so good." These are our data?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 08:14 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: The Dude at April 03, 2013 08:14 PM (vJdyz)
>>>lots of herbs and plants have medicinal properties -- with studies to back up their efficacy claims
Yeah!
Posted by: Mary Jane at April 03, 2013 08:14 PM (JI5E7)
Just the thought of touchng a peach makes my skin crawl.
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:10 AM (JI5E7)
--Ditto. Same goes for apricots.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:14 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:14 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Weirddave at April 03, 2013 08:14 PM (VHfsw)
Sure, asian women are pretty. But so are lots and lots of dark haired women.
Mrs. North is so black up there. But she dyes it mostly purple. It's one of those things only Hispanic women can get away with after age 16.
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:15 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:15 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Al Gore II at April 03, 2013 08:15 PM (zzeVM)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:15 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:15 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 03, 2013 11:32 PM
Been there and you're right about that. I've also watched flame wars go into DEFCON 1 when someone took something the wrong way and wouldn't let go of it
The Ewok himself is a prime example of someone you have to see how he's reacting before jumping in, because one wrong word and the Gates of Hell open on you
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 08:16 PM (mCvL4)
>>Ditto. Same goes for apricots.
You too, huh?
I've always said, "Apricot ain't nothing but someone trying to sneak a Peach past your defenses."
I can't even eat a Peach Jolly Rancher.
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 08:16 PM (JI5E7)
Goal!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:16 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Joejm65 at April 03, 2013 08:17 PM (UZuc4)
The skin of a peach makes my teeth crawl.
Then again, I have a business card from a hooker in London from 20 years ago. "Skin like a Peach," is says.
That line has always stuck with me.
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:17 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 04, 2013 12:14 AM (ZPrif)
No, but I can grow most of it in my garden.
Peppermint is one good thing--you can give it to kids and they stop barfing and crying.
There are others, like valerian.
Most of it is crap, and the stuff you get at GNC? Dried out garbage.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:17 PM (VLG62)
--
Damn, we had just about moved off of this argument and on to RX vs. Herbs and the dessert wars.
I am on the side of brunettes (for now, anyway) who like pie and cheesecake and cake, but not frosting, ever. And hate Congress.
It's good night time though. Have a craving for sweets all the sudden, must hit the kitchen before bed.
Posted by: Mayday at April 03, 2013 08:17 PM (F3s39)
Posted by: Sky-Child loves Gaia at April 03, 2013 08:17 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: The Late Rodney King at April 03, 2013 08:17 PM (JMmQ9)
It's not your regulatory environment.
It's LDS biggies being bought in at the high levels of these firms.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2013 08:17 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 08:17 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:18 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:18 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: The Late Rodney King at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Infidel at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (gqEUi)
.
Posted by: Michael Douglas at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (cHRDM)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (A2jNh)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2013 12:12 AM (LL42r)
And many of the drug classes we have today were first identified by extracting the active ingredient from herbal remedies e.g. aspirin, morphine, curare, digitalis, quinine, etc. Now some traditional herbal medicines are just worthless but it would be wrong to say that they all are.
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Sky-Child loves Gaia at April 04, 2013 12:17 AM (Vk2pI)
Yeah, WTF with these new age hippies? Would tell you that you believe in fairy tales if you are Christian, but somehow a crystal is supposed to hold the answer to life.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:19 PM (VLG62)
There are others, like valerian.
Most of it is crap, and the stuff you get at GNC? Dried out garbage.
Posted by: tcn at April 04, 2013 12:17 AM (VLG62)
--Celestial Seasonings Sleepytime tea does not guarantee me a break from my insomnia, but it sure helps, especially the kind with valerian added.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:20 PM (+iA5G)
We beg to differ, sirrah. We can out-stupid any 40 males and still be home in time to have cornflakes for breakfast.
Posted by: Diana Degette and Maxine Waters, Ltd. at April 03, 2013 08:20 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:20 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Sean Connery at April 03, 2013 08:20 PM (zzeVM)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 04, 2013 12:19 AM (A/F7b)
PERFECT PIES - Michele Stuart
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 08:20 PM (JI5E7)
I win.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 04, 2013 12:19 AM (MBqvE)
Mine can have alcohol. I win.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:21 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:21 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Zombie Samuel Taylor Coleridge at April 03, 2013 08:21 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:22 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 04, 2013 12:19 AM (A/F7b)
put crust in the oven, make pudding and meringue, pour pudding in crust and cover with meringue. Quick and easy meringue pie
Posted by: The Dude at April 03, 2013 08:22 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 04, 2013 12:19 AM (ZPrif)
When was the last time you were around a barfing toddler?
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:22 PM (VLG62)
It was that if the SHTF, it pays to have a back up, even a substandard back up. He's not telling anyone to go off their meds, he's saying that if the meds were truly unavailable, you have a potential option to keep going.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 12:10 AM (GEICT)
I got that too. He's not getting that at the turn of the 20th century, life expectancy was mid-forties, herbal shit notwithstanding. Herbal shit, with a few exceptions, doesn't do shit.
Posted by: The Stronger Swimmers from the Spanish Armada at April 03, 2013 08:22 PM (IDSI7)
When they were trying to sort out whether I had pneumonia or something else, they didn't really have me on any meds. I smoked mullein, which used to be used in herbal cigarettes for asthma. It was pretty effective. I had someone warn me about the dangers of smoking, but really it's not something that you'd smoke on a regular basis.
If you stick with natural herbs, and you are dosing yourself, who cares? You should be able to treat yourself if you so choose. Maybe you'll be like Steve Jobs and it won't work out so well. Then again, people die or have terrible reactions to prescribed meds.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 03, 2013 08:23 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:24 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: The Crystal at April 03, 2013 08:24 PM (Vk2pI)
If it helps any to know, I'm not wearing any pants.
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:23 AM (JI5E7)
--So you previously thought lou was a boy?
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:24 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Hank Johnson at April 03, 2013 08:24 PM (A2jNh)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 12:23 AM (IDSI7)
What, you fart?
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:25 PM (VLG62)
Herbs should be regulated the same as other drugs. The FDA should allow more, but the herbal crackpot industry is criminal in the crap and bogus treatments they sell to people who should be getting proper medical treatment.
The herbal industry is, on the whole, a net negative to the world.
And the charlatans selling homeopathic bullshit should be hanged.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 04, 2013 12:10 AM (ZPrif)
Problem is, if herbal remedy A is 100% effective with people who have gene SplodeyBottom Alpha, but SplodeyBottom Alpha is only found in 10% of the population, then A will never pass the FDA. And if you're SBA-positive, you get to queue up with the rest of the poor dying bastards at a government hospital instead of taking a miracle cure in a teacup and sleeping at home with your significant other.
Posted by: Cthulhu's tantalizing tentacles of titillation at April 03, 2013 08:25 PM (kaalw)
It actually sounded like it was raining at night due to the sound of millions of caterpillars shitting. Roads became slick from them.
I think what finally got rid of them was a very hot dry summer in 1983 brought forest fires that burned the fuckers out
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 08:25 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2013 08:25 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 08:25 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 08:26 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 08:26 PM (nUH8H)
Well, you can call homepathic bullshit, but it seems to work for some of us. They do use scientific methods for the proofs as well.
No, they don't. Homeopathy is pure, utter, crystalline bullshit. The principle underlying homeopathy is that the presence of a compound leaves an "imprint" in the liquid (water) that formerly contained it.
That's equivalent to saying that the sidewalk retains an impression of the shadow of someone who walked over it in daylight.
Pure, utter, bullshit. Time to clean out the headgear.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 08:26 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: tcn at April 04, 2013 12:19 AM
Crystals don't nag you about keeping it in your pants
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 08:27 PM (mCvL4)
>>So you previously thought lou was a boy?
How those Jets doing?
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:26 AM (+wSjv)
--Grounded.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:27 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:27 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: RWC at April 03, 2013 08:28 PM (sqp6o)
But yes that's not "data." It just turns out that the data isn't data, with alarming frequency.)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 04, 2013 12:26 AM (bxiXv)
Different issue entirely. I'm talking about irrationality. You're talking about fraud.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 08:28 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:29 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:29 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: The Dude at April 04, 2013 12:22 AM (vJdyz)
Alas, I don't like meringue. Yes, I have issues. Heck, I'm Canadian and don't like beer.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:29 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 08:29 PM (+wSjv)
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 03, 2013 08:29 PM (lbiWb)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:29 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 04, 2013 12:27 AM (mCvL4)
Neither does your average Christian. Odd about that. Never met a Christian who forced their religion on a single soul.
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:29 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:30 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Bawney Fwank at April 03, 2013 08:30 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 08:30 PM (+wSjv)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:26 AM (+wSjv)
--Grounded.
Posted by: logprof at April 04, 2013 12:27 AM (+iA5G)
If the Jets are doing great, the Oilers aren't. If the Oilers are doing great, the Jets aren't. Why can't they both do great???????????
P.S. I'm talking hockey.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:31 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Crystal Gale Mangum at April 03, 2013 08:31 PM (A2jNh)
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 03, 2013 08:31 PM (lbiWb)
Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 12:29 AM (I2LwF)
Maybe instead of coming here to be entertained, you could posit something yourself?
Posted by: tcn at April 03, 2013 08:31 PM (VLG62)
It is the equivalent of skydiving and expecting a levitating yoga stance to see you safely to the ground.
Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 12:22 AM (bP2re)
Substance A passing all through all the FDA testing hurdles does not imply that substance B is not effective. It may or may not be but that's independent of substance A
As I mentioned up thread red yeast rice is a natural remedy that is effective because it contains a natural statin. Now we have better drugs but in a pinch you could fall back to a treatment that can be created without a laboratory.
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 03, 2013 08:31 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at April 03, 2013 08:31 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:31 PM (ZPrif)
***
Science changed from adversarial to consensus based and with it went most of the expectation that the data presented is accurate.
Incentivise people to check each other's work and people will make sure it is high quality. Incentivise people to just all get along and you'll see an ever lower quality of BS.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 08:31 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 04, 2013 12:29 AM (A/F7b)
change meringue to whipped cream and sprinkle some grated milk chocolate on top and let it setup in the fridge for about an hour
Posted by: The Dude at April 03, 2013 08:32 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 08:32 PM (+wSjv)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:30 AM (+wSjv)
I don't like whipped cream either. I am no fun. But I watch football on weekends.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:32 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 03, 2013 08:32 PM (lbiWb)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 04, 2013 12:19 AM (vgd4f)
Wait, what? Oh no! What happened? I'm so sorry to hear.
Posted by: Cthulhu's tantalizing tentacles of titillation at April 03, 2013 08:33 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 08:33 PM (bxiXv)
If you can buy the first, you are a prime target for the second.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 08:33 PM (ccXZP)
>>The herbal industry annoys me. The homeopathic industry enrages me.
I don't have a problem with either one. Or with slow, fat gazelles either, for that matter.
Posted by: Charles Darwin at April 03, 2013 08:34 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:34 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 08:34 PM (bxiXv)
Baklava. Better than pie?
No. Better than Brownies.
...and I only feel safe saying that because our Queen is no doubt asleep. But not Pie.
Baklava a la mode just isn't the same.
Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2013 08:34 PM (+wSjv)
Posted by: buzzion 5+ year commenter so you must bow to me. at April 03, 2013 08:35 PM (GULKT)
Discuss.
Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 12:31 AM (5H6zj)
There's an Iranian lady at my church who makes the most incredible baklava. And her rice is even more incredible.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:35 PM (A/F7b)
tcn, you really expect far too much out of life ^_^
All I got is stories about my PAC. And that's kind of dry.
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:35 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:36 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:36 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2013 08:36 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 04, 2013 12:27 AM (mCvL4)
Neither does your average Christian. Odd about that. Never met a Christian who forced their religion on a single soul.
Posted by: tcn at April 04, 2013 12:29 AM
I know that but the lefties are convinced that just the mention of the name Jesus means you want to bring back the Salem Witch Trials
Hell, the trolls that come on here actually believe that shit, with their "why don't you cons just leave people alone to live their lives"
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 08:36 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Smilin' Bob from Enzyte at April 03, 2013 08:36 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:37 PM (5H6zj)
I don't like whipped cream either.
But are you averse to wearing it?
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:36 AM (+wSjv)
You'll never know.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:37 PM (A/F7b)
P.S. I'm talking hockey.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 04, 2013 12:31 AM (A/F7b)
--The Jets had a golden opportunity to separate themselves from an abysmal division, against mediocre opponents, but instead have lost 4 in a row. It's as if they're trying not to make the playoffs and doing a big cocktease on their fans.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:37 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 04, 2013 12:31 AM
They wanted to put me on statin drugs, and my total cholesterol was 185 without a crazy diet. I keep telling them to fuck off. For some reason statin drugs scare me. I just don't like having to rely on meds if possible.
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 08:37 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:38 PM (ZPrif)
Also, I wrote a contract up from scratch for my consulting services this morning.
I'm not a lawyer, but I did take the LSAT twice, so...
Someone's looking at it now.
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:38 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2013 08:39 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2013 08:39 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: cubbies at April 03, 2013 08:39 PM (V4rwv)
Science changed from adversarial to consensus based and with it went most of the expectation that the data presented is accurate.
It didn't, really. Only in some politically fraught areas (*cough* bullshit areas *cough*) is that true. In most of science - i.e., real science - data still rule.
Posted by: Charles Darwin at April 03, 2013 08:39 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 08:39 PM (bxiXv)
No, this PAC out of California came in to shoot a commercial for Mike Sullivan. Since I work with the campaign but I'm not on their payroll (yet), I was an ideal "man on the street" for an independent expenditure commercial.
So I went into Boston to the Parker Omni hotel, met this really cool eclectic group of people, and shot about 15 minutes of film for a TV commerical for Sullivan.
It was honestly surreal, but really a lot of fun.
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:40 PM (I2LwF)
I've had a doctor of internal medicine admit that enteric coated capsules of peppermint oil can be helpful in cases of IBS. My gyn talked to me about phytoestrogens and it seems most people understand that soy contains them. Asprin was developed from white willow bark. You can get the same effect from the tea as from the pills. The big problem with herbals is potentency is going to vary. But if you are treating yourself, so what? Is it too much to ask for adults to be able to make these decisions for themselves?
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 03, 2013 08:41 PM (Lqy/e)
But are you averse to wearing it?
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:36 AM (+wSjv)
I'm not.
Posted by: Ali Larter at April 03, 2013 08:41 PM (+iA5G)
Homeopathy is a bullshit quack theory that involves diluting an active ingredient with water so many times that all you end up with is ... water.
Nuthin' healthier than a good infusion of aqueous water solution, diluted with dihydrogen monoxide. Good for what ails ya.
Posted by: Charles Darwin at April 03, 2013 08:41 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: logprof at April 04, 2013 12:37 AM (+iA5G)
I know. The Caps could leap over them fast.
Since you're around, I read a story on the online Free Press about a guy from Montreal who went missing in Mexico while he was driving through the worst part of the country and his friends/family couldn't figure out why (they honestly thought he may be in jail). Why Canadians love going to Mexico, I don't understand (Cuba too, but then I'll need to borrow AtC's soapbox).
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:41 PM (A/F7b)
n00b
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 12:36 AM (8sCoq)
Are you referring to my name? How dare you sir! I have been coming here for over 5 years. And that demands respect from you!
Posted by: buzzion 5+ year commenter so you must bow to me. at April 03, 2013 08:42 PM (GULKT)
Well, lucky you. You didn't get sent to Christian camp or to a boarding school. And you were apparently not paying attention when the creationists tried to "fix" the public-school textbooks in Texas or to get "all theories considered" up in Dover, PA.
(And you also must have skipped over the bits about "Constantinople" in the encyclopedia. . . or "pogrom")
Understand that not everyone has the wonderful experiences of the love of Christ that you do
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 03, 2013 08:42 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:41 AM (+wSjv)
Your loss.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:43 PM (A/F7b)
***
I'm not sure I believe that anymore.
No the contagion isn't everywhere yet, but it is spreading. Social science has been lost for a long time. Economics is gone (hello Dr Krugman). Geophysics and biology are deeply compromised.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 08:43 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:43 PM (ZPrif)
I'm a Kennedy and I've just gotten behind the wheel at 3AM after 14 straight hours of drinking and I've decided that Kennedys don't have to stop for that traffic light you've crossed at the same time
Think a Kennedy will give a rat's ass if you ever walk again?
Get Allstate and protect yourself from Mayhem ... like me
Posted by: Allstate Mayhem Guy at April 03, 2013 08:43 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:44 PM (bP2re)
You don't know what you are talking about with homeopathy. It's the standard stuff you get from the pharmacuetical industry. It's a different theory of medicine.
Good point. I favor a third theory of medicine: chanting over a dead cat. So far, it's worked pretty well.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 08:44 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 08:44 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:45 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:45 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:45 PM (8sCoq)
I plan to break it out for my first moron meetup, which, me being in the Deep South, I expect to happen the day after never.
Fuckit, I plan on getting the hat.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 08:45 PM (ccXZP)
***
Um. Sure you want to talk about Christians forcing their religion here?
The fourth crusade is rather more complicated then what happened in 1453
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2013 08:45 PM (zPVBH)
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:45 PM (I2LwF)
I know. The Caps could leap over them fast.
Since you're around, I read a story on the online Free Press about a guy from Montreal who went missing in Mexico while he was driving through the worst part of the country and his friends/family couldn't figure out why (they honestly thought he may be in jail). Why Canadians love going to Mexico, I don't understand (Cuba too, but then I'll need to borrow AtC's soapbox).
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 04, 2013 12:41 AM (A/F7b)
--Only parts of Mexico I've darkened have been Monterrey (twice) and Jaurez (the wifey's home town) and environs.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:46 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:46 PM (ZPrif)
I tell people that if they are going to pay for homeopathic remedies, they need to pull out a $100 bill and rub it vigorously on a piece of blank paper, and then hand the piece of blank paper to the homeopathy vendor. Same principle.
Although I am entirely in favor of all medical pseudoscience which shortens the lives of stupid people. We should subsidize such things. Generously.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2013 08:47 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:47 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 12:45 AM (8sCoq)
When they broadcast in black and white on the old Dumont Network?
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:47 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 08:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:48 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: SuperLemon at April 03, 2013 08:48 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: logprof at April 04, 2013 12:46 AM (+iA5G)
I won't mention what the SO does, but when I told him about this story and how the guy was going to cross the Mexico-US border at Neuvo Laredo, his words were, "Oh, God."
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:48 PM (A/F7b)
The Cubs will win the World Series.
Posted by: cubbies at April 04, 2013 12:39 AM
If the Mets can figure out how to go through the season with a 2 man rotation of Niese and Harvey, they'll be unstoppable
Posted by: Allstate Mayhem Guy at April 03, 2013 08:48 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 08:49 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque hates the fucking cold at April 03, 2013 08:49 PM (eQnzo)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 12:45 AM (8sCoq)
Impressive. Did you borrow ace's time machine to accomplish that?
I put that up to mock Ombudsman when he was being troll about making a one gun per month purchasing limit, and background checks at gun shows. He claimed being here for 5 years proved he wasn't a troll and that "appeal to seniority" was somehow legitimate. So I stuck that up.
Posted by: buzzion 5+ year commenter so you must bow to me. at April 03, 2013 08:50 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:50 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 12:45 AM (8sCoq)
When they broadcast in black and white on the old Dumont Network?
Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 12:47 AM (I2LwF)
I was here when FDR announced the launch of the blog on television in 1928.
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 03, 2013 08:50 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 04, 2013 12:44 AM
The sudden ones are tough. My cousins husband died suddenly a few days ago, actually 2 days before easter, and she tried to kill herself a day later and is still in the hospital. Shit just gets crazy out of nowhere.
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 08:50 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: BignJames at April 03, 2013 08:50 PM (H9MGI)
that we were fools to be certain we could trust experts, industries,
governments and the numbers they produce.
***
Science changed from adversarial to consensus based and with it went most of the expectation that the data presented is accurate.
Incentivise people to check each other's work and people will make sure it is high quality. Incentivise people to just all get along and you'll see an ever lower quality of BS.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 04, 2013 12:31 AM (zPVBH)
Let's try that key sentence again: "Science changed
from adversarial to consensus based and with it went most of the
expectation that the data presented is accurate."
Posted by: Cthulhu's tantalizing tentacles of titillation at April 03, 2013 08:50 PM (kaalw)
No the contagion isn't everywhere yet, but it is spreading. Social science has been lost for a long time. Economics is gone (hello Dr Krugman). Geophysics and biology are deeply compromised.
I share your concern, but I'd point out that social science is an oxymoron, and that economics is not by any measure whatsoever a science (what controlled experiments can they possibly do? And how can mutually exclusive economic perspectives - e.g., Keynes and Friedman) both receive the Nobel Prize? It's like giving the Prize to Gibbs and someone pushing phlogiston.)
The little appreciated fact is that a lot of biology is struggling to become a science. Scratch biology, and find vitalism lurking underneath. That, and shitty experimental design, and fuzzy-minded analysis excused by appeal to "biological variation."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 08:51 PM (IDSI7)
notsothorough, you were doing a good job of defending your position about herbs and stuff until you came out with this gem.
Now, I know you to be a crank.
It's that simple.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 08:51 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 08:51 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 04, 2013 12:42 AM (QTHTd)
Speaking as a Baptist who went to Bible camp, Christian school, and learned about creationism (and my mom was a nun), if I ever meet you I'll be happy to buy you a beverage of your choice.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 08:52 PM (A/F7b)
"They're replacing it with a new term .... undocumented Democrats"
Leno must be trying to get NBC to get rid of him early
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 08:52 PM (mCvL4)
I'm also building a database, by hand, of every person from Bristol County who has donated to a Republican in the last three years.
God it's tedious, but that's some real intellectual property
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:53 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 08:53 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 08:53 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:53 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 08:53 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 08:54 PM (vgd4f)
remedy that is effective because it contains a natural statin. Now we
have better drugs but in a pinch you could fall back to a treatment that can be created without a laboratory.
Posted by: Mætenloch at April 04, 2013 12:31 AM
They wanted to put me on statin drugs, and my total cholesterol was 185 without a crazy diet. I keep telling them to fuck off. For some reason statin drugs scare me. I just don't like having to rely on meds if possible.
Posted by: Berserker at April 04, 2013 12:37 AM (FMbng)
Anecdotally, they don't prescribe statins without CoQ10 in Europe, lest it make you stupid. Just FYI.
Posted by: Cthulhu's tantalizing tentacles of titillation at April 03, 2013 08:54 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:55 PM (+iA5G)
Finding data on those who give to state-level candidates is easy; picking through it and transcribing it is difficult.
Finding the data on federal candidates in a useable form is nearly impossible, despite the FEC website.
Posted by: Truman North at April 03, 2013 08:55 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 08:56 PM (8sCoq)
Although I am entirely in favor of all medical pseudoscience which shortens the lives of stupid people. We should subsidize such things. Generously.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2013 12:47 AM (gqT4g)
Yep. Think we can hug it out with grizzly bears? Go ahead, Bucky.
Posted by: Charles Darwin at April 03, 2013 08:56 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 08:56 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 04, 2013 12:54 AM (vgd4f)
Oh I don't think you brought it down at all.
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 08:56 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: logprof at April 04, 2013 12:55 AM (+iA5G)
You don't know the song?
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, fire Bettman! at April 03, 2013 08:56 PM (A/F7b)
Italy Goes "Cyprus" On Sicilian Mafia, Seizes Record $1.7 Billion In Cash And Assets
http://tinyurl.com/bws3evx
If I were an Italian banker or politician, or an EU hack, I'd hire somebody to go start my car for me from now on
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 08:57 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, fire Bettman! at April 03, 2013 08:57 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 08:58 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 08:58 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2013 08:58 PM (xwGe4)
Wassup, bro?
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 08:58 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 08:59 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 08:59 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: logprof at April 04, 2013 12:55 AM (+iA5G)
You don't know the song?
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, fire Bettman! at April 04, 2013 12:56 AM (A/F7b)
--I know a song that mentions Constantinople, but damn, the city existed under that name for more than a millennium. It was besieged by the Arabs, sacked by the Crusaders, then conquered (and renamed) by the Ottoman Turks --and that was not all that happened there. Hard to pin down one event.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 08:59 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 09:00 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 09:00 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2013 12:58 AM (xwGe4)
If they're the same as the noseeums of Florida, I understand.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 09:00 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 09:01 PM (bxiXv)
>>>You don't know the song?
logprof is a huge TMBG fan.
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2013 12:59 AM (+wSjv)
--I have Flood on vinyl.
In any event, that song was a cover.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 09:01 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 09:01 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2013 09:02 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: zeera at April 03, 2013 09:02 PM (3dXwx)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 09:03 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: zeera at April 04, 2013 01:02 AM (3dXwx)
--Got Bailey's to go with 'em?
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 09:03 PM (+iA5G)
Don't forget climatology, archaeology and medicine, and I'm starting to draw that circle around astronomy, astrophysics and cosmology.
Engineers don't really get counted, despite the amount of bullshit ideas - like architects. If they do something catastrophically stupid, it's just a mistake. And then we could get into psychiatry and psychology, which are *quite* different, but get the little Riddler clues scattered around them, too. The Medicine problems have leaked over into chemistry, which has a few industrial problems of its own.
Observational studies (climastrology, archeology, astronomy, astrophysics and cosmology and the like) have fundamental theoretical problems as sciences. It is not possible to do controlled experiments; is that still a science, lab coats notwithstanding?
That's not to say these are not worthwhile areas of inquiry and study - they are - but wrapping themselves in the mantle of science? That's another question.
Engineering is applied physics, no more, no less. Medicine is applied biology, no more, no less. The views of engineers on physics and physicians on biology are, in general, not worth much, in my opinion, as not being based on sound scientific method. Math and lab coats != science.
Posted by: Charles Darwin at April 03, 2013 09:06 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 09:06 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 09:07 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at April 03, 2013 09:08 PM (Vk2pI)
Wassup, bro?
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2013 12:58 AM
Same old shit really. I DO want to build that mofo, I'm really plotting and planning.
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 09:08 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 09:08 PM (mCvL4)
Biology by its nature has to be more of an observational science rather than an experimental one.
That doesn't make it less of a science than chemistry. It expands the domain of science.
Of course it does. Don't be silly. One could make the same argument re psychology.
Here's the test: how often is someone proven wrong? I'm a chemist, and our predictions are proven wrong all the time. I used to tell my grad students that if they were right 10% of the time, they were doing well.
Biologists are full of shit because they attribute lack of reproducibility to "biological variation." Chemists and physicists call this "uncontrolled variables."
Posted by: Charles Darwin at April 03, 2013 09:10 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: The Dude at April 03, 2013 09:12 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 09:12 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2013 09:12 PM (mCvL4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YPnXBWl9Tk
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 04, 2013 01:06 AM (Vk2pI)
--Love that the photos of the old walls of Constantinople were put in that video!
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 09:13 PM (+iA5G)
I guess that works, it just doesn't mean anything, especially in relation to what we've been talking about.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 09:13 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 09:13 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 03, 2013 09:13 PM (ZPrif)
So Flatbush, what's your opinion of the likelihood that Multiple Chemical Sensitivity is a real thing? I have a friend who suffers from it - or attributes her health issues to MCS - and I'm not quite ready to dismiss it.
Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 01:00 AM (5H6zj)
You didn't ask me, Y-not, but I'll chime in: the probability is near zero.
Think about it. What would be the mechanism? How could someone raise simultaneously an immune response to a whole variety of different epitopes?
The burden of proof is on those making the assertion. That burden has not been carried merely by making the assertion.
Posted by: Charles Darwin at April 03, 2013 09:14 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 09:15 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at April 03, 2013 09:15 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque hates the fucking cold at April 03, 2013 09:16 PM (eQnzo)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque hates the fucking cold at April 04, 2013 01:16 AM (eQnzo)
Armpit Vagina is a better theme song
Posted by: The Dude at April 03, 2013 09:18 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 03, 2013 09:18 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: J. Biden, Intelectual.... at April 03, 2013 09:19 PM (zzeVM)
So, if you define out almost all areas of scientific endeavor, then science is doing a pretty darned good job.
Sorry, the above "Charles Darwin" sock was me.
Science is great - at matters where science can be applied. In physics and chemistry, science kicks ass. In philosophy and religion, science is useless. In between is in between.
But it's important to recognize that every half-assed endeavor tries to puff itself up by associating itself with the success of real, no shit science, whether or not that is appropriate. See, e.g., "library science," whatever the fuck that is.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 09:19 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: J. Biden, Intelectual.... at April 04, 2013 01:19 AM (zzeVM)
you get stuck with a myspace link but eh
http://tinyurl.com/cyr8v8x
Posted by: The Dude at April 03, 2013 09:20 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 09:21 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 09:22 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 09:23 PM (8sCoq)
Political Science degrees unite!
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 09:23 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: eman at April 03, 2013 09:25 PM (bP2re)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 04, 2013 01:21 AM (vgd4f)
Slight wrinkle in the plan. Dogs would have to fart and LICK each others asses to be on par with anybody who voted democrat.
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 09:25 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Arbalest at April 03, 2013 09:25 PM (ZtTa1)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 09:26 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Jill Biden, 7x smarter than Joetelectual.... at April 03, 2013 09:26 PM (zzeVM)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 03, 2013 09:26 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 03, 2013 09:28 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am, do I want to buy moonshine? at April 03, 2013 09:28 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 09:29 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 09:29 PM (vgd4f)
The difference between biology and chemistry, for example, is biology is more than the sum of its parts, chemistry is just parts. Biology is the study of what chemistry (and physics) can do if you turn the dial to 11.
Biology is not uncontrolled either. It's boundaries are the same as the ones for chemistry and physics, but it has new domains where those other two can't go. The boundaries there are set by Natural Selection.
Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 01:15 AM (bP2re)
In essence, you're asserting that biology is non-linear. The problem with biology is lack of reproducibility, aka biological variation. This obviously depends on the details of a particular study, but it's common to see papers in, e.g., molecular biology, that draw diametrically opposed conclusions. (I was shocked when I first encountered this.) To a scientist, this implies only one thing: somebody's wrong. But biologists shrug this type of thing off as "biological variation."
Physics and chemistry have famous flaming disputes. (In chemistry, for example, see the row about non-classical carbonium ions.) Where are the the corresponding disputes in biology? Any conflicting results are shrugged off as "biological variation."
Think about this re the biomedical literature, which is more familiar to the layman. Is salt good for you, or bad? How about eggs? Fat? For every paper asserting one position, there's another asserting the exact opposite.
That's bullshit. In a science, someone will generate the dispositive data that will kill at least one assertion. The fact that diametrically opposed assertions coexist indefinitely in biology - as in economics - argues againsts their status as sciences.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 09:31 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: PaleRider at April 03, 2013 09:32 PM (cQZV0)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 09:33 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 09:33 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at April 03, 2013 09:34 PM (Zd/NW)
An organism is not a reactor filled with a thousand different compounds. It is a working organized responsive and adaptive system. The science rules for studying it are different.
Vitalism redux?
The rules are different? How so? Thermodynamics doesn't apply? Kinetics? Quantum mechanics? Statistical mechanics?
Help me to understand what rules don't apply, and at what level of complexity a system becomes organized responsive and adaptive, dare I say, "self-aware," aka Skynet?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 09:35 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Berserker at April 04, 2013 01:25 AM (FMbng)
Co-market with bacon-scented deodorant spray.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 04, 2013 01:33 AM (bxiXv)
Earlier today I was at an establishment that had chocolate-chip-cookie-dough-flavored vodka on clearance for $20 a bottle plus tax. I was tempted, but did not give in.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 09:35 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: PaleRider at April 04, 2013 01:32 AM (cQZV0)
--One of the benefits of a Costco membership: lots of Ibuprofen and Aleve to score.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 09:35 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 03, 2013 09:35 PM (zzeVM)
Posted by: Crystaline Life Form from Velara III at April 03, 2013 09:36 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: PaleRider at April 03, 2013 09:37 PM (cQZV0)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 09:38 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 03, 2013 09:38 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: PaleRider at April 04, 2013 01:37 AM (cQZV0)
So am I!
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 09:39 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: otho at April 03, 2013 09:39 PM (9gNQd)
Leftists will say their opponents are ignorant against all evidence. Climate change anyone?
Posted by: cm9000 at April 03, 2013 09:41 PM (vfB2N)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 09:41 PM (A/F7b)
Last post tonight, if you want to read an interesting book on how people respond to medical treatment, try "Kitchen Table Wisdom" by Rachel Naomi Remen. She's a doctor that learned a lot from her patients.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 04, 2013 01:26 AM (Lqy/e)
I love anecdotes, but bottom line: physicians don't know shit about this, not having the benefit of controlled, double-blinded studies. I'd sooner trust touts at a race track. Treat 5000 inbred, genetically identical patients with the same drug, for the same indication, ensuring that they comply fully with the treatment, and then I'll believe you.
Sound harsh? It's because after decades of research I know how difficult it is to maintain distance and objectivity in evaluating impressions of how even inaminate things work. When people are involved, forget it. Medical issues are bedeviled by the heterogeneity of the population, in both genetic and behavioral aspects, and the dodginess of patient compliance (did they take their meds? On time? Every time? Did they miss any? Did they then double up? Did they blow the meds off when they started feeling better? Who knows?).
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 09:43 PM (IDSI7)
BTW:
This is called "Ben Smithing". Named for Ben Smith over at Buzzfeed.
This is where a story comes along that makes a Democrat or the Messiah look bad usually being reported on a blog somewhere. A journalist (Ben Smith usually but he's become to obvious lately so it's being used by others now) will then write a story obfuscating and falsely disputing the original story.
THIS story then becomes the story that other State Media outlets can reference and claim as the truth or use to cloud the issue because it supposedly refutes the real story.
The State Media can then let the story die and the most common references to the original story are the made up story by the journalist (Ben Smith).
Ben Smith was (is?) one of the originals on the JOURNOLIST email group back a few years. You know the guys who were coordinating stories, how they would be presented, whether they would be presented.
FRAMING.
Anyone who thinks they just went away and are no longer active somewhere is too naive to continue existing.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 03, 2013 09:45 PM (Kpn/z)
The French tend to be like this, as well as some other types.
This was common during the '60's, '70's.
Women got pretty funky back then. The men just were more obvious about their tendencies.
"Look if the dishes in the sink bother you more than me, and you clean them up, how is it that it's MY fault you clean the dishes all the time?" (ditto the living room, the bathroom etc.)
Men have a lower quotient of "Dirt Patience". If we can walk around it and it isn't actually spawning new life; we're good.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 03, 2013 09:49 PM (Kpn/z)
So, come up with an alternate term, get everyone to accept it into common use in those fields and in the general public, and then we'll use that one.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 04, 2013 01:38 AM (bxiXv)
How about "studies?" There's nothing wrong with "studies." Is history a science? Of course not. It's a study. One reads about what happened back when, and then formulates an interpretation. I love history, but it's not a science. Same thing for literature, and for the same reason.
For my money, a science requires positive and negative controls when evaluating a hypothesis, viz., does something happen when it should happen, and not happen when it shouldn't? If so, the data are consistent with the hypothesis. Absent that sort of data, we're talking about a "study."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 03, 2013 09:49 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 09:50 PM (bxiXv)
otho, I was a scientist before I took the training; made a living at it for a while, and am now back to my previous status.
Being a scientist is merely shorthand for 'one who experiments'. Without experiments there is no science.
To that extent, we are all scientists. I just have a bit more fondness for them than most.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 09:50 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 01:49 AM (Kpn/z)
Female here. I don't know about the rest of my gender, and they might kick my backside, but I can say I judge others much more than I judge myself. That being said, I'm not a clean freak.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 09:52 PM (A/F7b)
There has to be something.
Something.
Anything?
Bueller? Bueller?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 03, 2013 09:56 PM (xjpRj)
To that extent, we are all scientists. I just have a bit more fondness for them than most.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2013 01:50 AM
That alien from "Species" was just an experiment. Look how that turned out. Nah, it's all good, Gnu. I may not trust scientists, but, there'd be no cool monsters without you guys.
Posted by: otho at April 03, 2013 09:57 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 03, 2013 09:59 PM (zzeVM)
That wasn't what I was doing. I just wanted to know if you had any personal familiarity with the condition. Descriptions on the web don't do well on describing the discomfort of having it. I figured if you had seen it, you'd understand better on why I was willing to apply a Group 1 carcinogen to my face.
BTW. Coal Tar is made of a lot of different chemicals. Their are so many they have only scratched the surface of what they are and what they do. Since they're all similar the research isn't a high priority but some are more carcinogenic than others.
Cool?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 03, 2013 10:00 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 10:00 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 04, 2013 01:50 AM (bxiXv)
Thanks!
I wear youth gloves, size small. My left hand's ring finger is 2 3/4 inches in length and would take a 3 3/4 or 4 size if I put a ring on it. Middle finger is 3 inches in length. I have shot everything from a .22 rifle to an AR-15. If it helps, the SO has a Glock40 and a Colt45. Unchambered I could pull the trigger on the former but not the latter.
If you think I'm lying, I had to have a size 7 ring downsized for 3 1/2 on my right ring finger. The jeweler was amazed.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 10:01 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 03, 2013 10:02 PM (/gHaE)
There has to be something.
Something.
Anything?
Bueller? Bueller?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 04, 2013 01:56 AM (xjpRj)
The female anatomy?
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 10:02 PM (A/F7b)
There has to be something.
Something.
Anything?
Bueller? Bueller?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 04, 2013 01:56 AM (xjpRj)
--Poontang.
Posted by: logprof at April 03, 2013 10:02 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 10:03 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 10:04 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 03, 2013 10:04 PM (zzeVM)
Go to gun store and they'll let you handle a few. They'll also have experience in what is popular and works for woman or men with grip problems.
It's why there are so many different sized weapons. Not just because of difference capacity or caliber.
Grip angle, thickness, distance to trigger, how the gun fires in your hand. You may be able to grip a pistol but then when firing it be unable to control it safely.
That's why once you narrow your choices, you should also fire them.
Some gun stores are setup to do this also.
Make sure to get what's comfortable. If it's not comfortable and makes you feel in control then you won't practice with it and won't carry it or use enough for it to have been worth the money.
Just paperweight with a handle.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 03, 2013 10:05 PM (Kpn/z)
Well, I DO have that whole 'wild hair' look thing going on.
All I need is a bunch of flashing lights and a Jacob's Ladder and I'm good to go.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 10:06 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 10:07 PM (vgd4f)
Go to gun store and they'll let you handle a few. They'll also have experience in what is popular and works for woman or men with grip problems.
It's why there are so many different sized weapons. Not just because of difference capacity or caliber.
Grip angle, thickness, distance to trigger, how the gun fires in your hand. You may be able to grip a pistol but then when firing it be unable to control it safely.
That's why once you narrow your choices, you should also fire them.
Some gun stores are setup to do this also.
Make sure to get what's comfortable. If it's not comfortable and makes you feel in control then you won't practice with it and won't carry it or use enough for it to have been worth the money.
Just paperweight with a handle.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 02:05 AM (Kpn/z)
On another subject, if I'm a gal going into a gun store by myself, what brands should I avoid?
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 10:08 PM (A/F7b)
I can understand why you would be interested in a weapon.
I know a few very tiny girls that anyone, ANYONE could pick up and carry off. (even me being old and decrepit)
It would make me nervous as hell if I was that small surrounded by giants.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 03, 2013 10:09 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 10:10 PM (vgd4f)
Posted by: dogfish at April 03, 2013 10:12 PM (N2yhW)
>> Cool?
Natcherly. I wasn't upset in the least. You asked for opinions/ideas, and I gave you mine. I sometimes come across as a hardass. I doubt that will change.
And actually, I have psoriasis on my lower legs but I don't do a fucking thing about it. Cuz it doesn't bother me enough to justify treating it. It's just there.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 10:13 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 10:13 PM (vgd4f)
I'm a bit under 5'3", but I certainly weigh enough to give blood. Seriously, the only adult I've met with smaller hands is my twin sister.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 10:13 PM (A/F7b)
That's because those who weren't ON the list, probably thought "cool" and then wanted to get on it.
I would bet the list got LARGER after the story broke.
I've been harping like a broken record that the State Media Monopoly on communications has to be broken or broken through consistently or any "messaging" or platform changes will do absolutely no good at electing conservatives. I wish I had an answer. That's why Breitbart's death was a real blow, cause he had the connections and the genius to figure that sort of thing out and with him gone there's no one leading the charge anymore.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 03, 2013 10:14 PM (Kpn/z)
Also beware small guns' recoil issues. I did not choose the two examples at random, their design reduces recoil. Everyone's tolerance is different, but generally the smaller (lighter) the gun the greater the recoil with the same cartridge.
All else being equal, for the same weight, a revolver will have more perceived recoil than a metal-framed semi-auto which will have more recoil than a polymer-frame semi-auto. The latter difference is so great that frequently a polymer-frame gun will have less perceived recoil than an all-metal gun weighing 30% more (ore even more).
Makarovs are all-metal guns, no warranties, limited parts availability, the caliber is oddball and not a little but a lot weaker than the 9x19. Typical 230-240 ft-lbs vs 400. They're more like a .38 special with light bullets. There are fewer choices in ammunition type or design.
They have a *lot* of fans, and generally I don't care much about what people choose, but I won't recommend them.
When they were $80 in the 90s, sure, especially if you're broke. But not now when they're $250+.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 10:15 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: lou's a girl at April 03, 2013 10:17 PM (vgd4f)
Then take their recommendations as a starting point.
Hold them, shoot them and carry them to find out what works for you.
Ever go to a hardware store and see a wall of hammers? Yes there are that many different styles, weights, lengths of hammers for different uses. Yet they all are used to hit stuff. That's the same with Guns.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 03, 2013 10:17 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2013 10:19 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 04, 2013 02:15 AM (bxiXv)
3 inches from the base of the finger. I could barely wrap my hand around the AR-15 and I had to lay down on the ground to shoot it.
I've done well with a 357 with .38 special bullets. I mentioned a 9mm because I can get the bullets for free.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 10:20 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 10:22 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: cm9000 at April 03, 2013 10:23 PM (vfB2N)
Unless you're broke, buy new with a warranty, especially if it's your only gun. You should probably have two, but that can wait.
Handle as many as you can, shoot as many as you can. I'd say research reliability on the net, but almost *all* of it is hearsay.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 10:25 PM (bxiXv)
You can even run a pad on the buffer tube with a specialized tube. And with adjustable length as well.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 10:28 PM (bxiXv)
How can you tell I've gone to the gun store with someone who has been whispering into my ear, "Not that, not that" before?
Thanks for putting up with me.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 10:29 PM (A/F7b)
All I need is a bunch of flashing lights and a Jacob's Ladder and I'm good to go.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2013 02:06 AM
Jacob's Ladder? Is that one of those TV antenna zappy electrical things? Gotta have one of those. And goggles. Gotta give scientists props for thinking outside the box. Where I say- "why increase the brains of mako sharks?", you guys say- "why not?"
Posted by: otho at April 03, 2013 10:29 PM (9gNQd)
For the record, I've been against the theory of CAGW from the beginning.
CAGW = Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (i.e., human caused disastrous warming)
Chicken Little is welcome in their camp; mine, not so much.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 10:29 PM (ccXZP)
Yep. No mad scientist lair would be complete without one of them.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 10:32 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 10:33 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 10:36 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 03, 2013 10:43 PM (A/F7b)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 04, 2013 02:36 AM (bxiXv)
We can note this about the Left ad-nausea for all the good it does us.
Posted by: cm9000 at April 03, 2013 10:45 PM (vfB2N)
Or, as recent threads have postulated, it's more of a religious/religious substitute thing.
It's a easy enough acid test -- would you rather find yourself in the Michael Crichton camp, or the Al Gore camp?
Though my opinion predates Crichton, it surely knows to reject 'the Earth's core is millions of degrees hot' opinion of Professor Of Idiocy Al Gore.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2013 10:50 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 03, 2013 10:56 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 04, 2013 02:56 AM (bxiXv)
While unlikely to abate, dishonesty may work less and honesty more in a World yet to come.
Posted by: cm9000 at April 03, 2013 11:09 PM (vfB2N)
There has to be something.
Something.
Anything?
Bueller? Bueller?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 04, 2013 01:56 AM
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you , and to hear the lamentation of their women.
Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2013 11:40 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 12:16 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 04, 2013 12:17 AM (Z9EHQ)
Ace spoke earlier today ... "Do you guys ever dream of a satellite weapon that can target a single person ..." (read the rest if you are not indecisive and irresolute) and if those pukes launch, or even fuel that KN-08 that they have moved to the coast ... oh brother, I hate to lobby for war, it makes me full of dread, but there has to be a point at which we say to the World that we are taking them at their word and that we will stand for no more of this bullshit. ... we need just a smidge more nationalism, if for no other reason than to match our adversaries zeal (use all fingers and toes to count those adversaries). nighty-night .. wishing you all a wonderful Thursday.
Posted by: and irresolute at April 04, 2013 12:18 AM (DBH1h)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 12:43 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 12:51 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 04, 2013 01:07 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 04, 2013 01:13 AM (/gHaE)
None of the stuff you describe has anything in the slightest to do with homeopathy.
Imagine dissolving a single No-Doze tablet in an Olympic size swimming pool and then drinking a cup of that water. Homeopathy would have you believe that the water will have the effect of helping you stay awake, despite the dilution of the caffeine being far beyond the point of detectability. We're talking about less than a single caffeine molecule for every billion molecules of water.
Did you know the word gullible doesn't appear in the OED?
Posted by: epobirs at April 04, 2013 01:18 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: BignJames at April 04, 2013 01:20 AM (H9MGI)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 01:24 AM (bxiXv)
I've always believed that the three most important words in science are 'I don't know.'
How can you attempt to fill in the gaps if you don't first recognize their existence, and where they are amidst the sea of available knowledge? It's easy to ask big vague questions about the unknown but science needs very specific queries to move forward. It can be daunting for someone starting out today, because so much has already been done and it can take many years of study before one is ready to ask the next useful question. The question that can be applied as the basis of an experiment and expose new information.
Posted by: epobirs at April 04, 2013 01:27 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 01:39 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 01:44 AM (bxiXv)
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