December 10, 2013

Paul Krugman, The Wonk Gap, and The Eternal Church of the All-Seeing State
— Ace

A few days ago, Kevin Glass wrote a story about the alleged "Wonk Gap" at Meatball Central, aka The Federalist.

His basic observation is this: The Progressive Left likes to flatter itself as a Party of Experts, making rational, scientific decisions about policy without regard to politics or tribal loyalty.

As a hack at the Washington Monthly put it:

[T]he left has an equally lopsided advantage when it comes to a different type of pundit: wonks. The leftÂ’s wonk bench is both wide and deep. These folks are ideologically inclined, certainly, but are also dedicated to study, empirical analysis, and informed debate. They argue mostly through evidence-based reasoning, sometimes shot through with a bit of sarcasm or anger, but theyÂ’re uncomfortable with abject partisanship.

This is directly contrasted with the Unreasoning Right, a group which has precious few "wonks," low collective expertise, and, to fill in the significant gaps of their knowledge, examines every policy question through the prism of ideology.

Here's the problem: None of that is true. Because the Left's Wonks have an embarrassing tendency to completely ignore all of their previously stated Expert Opinion the moment a political actor, Barack Obama, tells them that the Left's political interests will be served by doing so.

What good is being a "wonk" if you're going to say "F*** You, Science" the moment the Democratic Party needs you to?


Ever since President Obama endorsed a federal minimum wage hike in his State of the Union speech, progressives have lined up in lockstep support. Economists, bloggers, tv hosts all have come out saying that a minimum wage hike is clearly the right move. YouÂ’d be forgiven if you thought that itÂ’s been a very short while since the very existence of a minimum wage was considered controversial.

In the late 1980s, the New York Times advocated for an abolition of the minimum wage. With 25 more years of research, much of it showing that the minimum wage is an inefficient distortion of labor markets, the New York Times reversed position and advocated for a minimum wage hike to historic highs.

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Even the TimesÂ’ progressive-and-proud columnist Paul Krugman has earlier had wise things to say about the minimum wage. In 1998, Krugman wrote:

So what are the effects of increasing minimum wages? Any Econ 101 student can tell you the answer: The higher wage reduces the quantity of labor demanded, and hence leads to unemployment. This theoretical prediction has, however, been hard to confirm with actual data. Indeed, much-cited studies by two well-regarded labor economists, David Card and Alan Krueger, find that where there have been more or less controlled experiments, for example when New Jersey raised minimum wages but Pennsylvania did not, the effects of the increase on employment have been negligible or even positive. Exactly what to make of this result is a source of great dispute. Card and Krueger offered some complex theoretical rationales, but most of their colleagues are unconvinced; the centrist view is probably that minimum wages “do,” in fact, reduce employment, but that the effects are small and swamped by other forces.

What is remarkable, however, is how this rather iffy result has been seized upon by some liberals as a rationale for making large minimum wage increases a core component of the liberal agenda–for arguing that living wages “can play an important role in reversing the 25-year decline in wages experienced by most working people in America” (as this book’s back cover has it). Clearly these advocates very much want to believe that the price of labor–unlike that of gasoline, or Manhattan apartments–can be set based on considerations of justice, not supply and demand, without unpleasant side effects. This will to believe is obvious in this book: The authors not only take the Card-Krueger results as gospel, but advance a number of other arguments that just do not hold up under examination.

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This earlier version of Paul Krugman had the right idea, writing that what a large minimum wage hike “is really about is not living standards, or even economics, but morality.”

The New York TimesÂ’ view has changed. Paul KrugmanÂ’s view has changed. Jason Briggeman of George Mason University took a dive into why these elite progressives have changed their opinions on the minimum wage. None of the possible reasons speaks well to the elite progressivesÂ’ thinking.

Yes, the sudden reversal on the minimum wage by left-wing academics is so abrupt and startling that other academics are writing papers to try to explain the volte face.

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The intertwining of the left-wing intelligentsia with the Democratic Party has compromised the ability of many of these writers to actually think critically....

The result of this bandwagon-circling around the inherent rightness of progressivism is a rejection of the traits that they’ve associated with “being a wonk.” [W]hen the leader of the Democratic Party takes a side on an issue that the wonks may feel conflicted about, they tend to fall in line. When the progressive wonkocracy is a key leg of the Democratic Party, though, they’ll discard dispassionate analysis for partisan hackery.

Scott Linciome also discovers other "experts" now claiming to be surprised by the perfectly obvious -- that insurance companies, whose products are now mandated to be purchased, should be set to reap record profits.

And Krugman, meanwhile, continues to discover that all of his previous expertise on matters economic has now been rendered moot by the new discoveries made in the field-- discoveries announced by non-economist Barack Obama in political speeches.

"Here's the world as many Republicans see it: Unemployment insurance, which generally pays eligible workers between 40 and 50 percent of their previous pay, reduces the incentive to search for a new job. As a result, the story goes, workers stay unemployed longer."--former Enron adviser Paul Krugman, New York Times, Dec. 9

"Public policy designed to help workers who lose their jobs can lead to structural unemployment as an unintended side effect. . . . In other countries, particularly in Europe, benefits are more generous and last longer. The drawback to this generosity is that it reduces a worker's incentive to quickly find a new job. Generous unemployment benefits in some European countries are widely believed to be one of the main causes of 'Eurosclerosis,' the persistent high unemployment that affects a number of European countries."--"Macroeconomics" by Paul Krugman and Robin Wells, second edition, 2009

I should confess that Krugman does not explicitly endorse the "wide belief" that unemployment benefits cause longer-term unemployment in that quote. Nevertheless, just as he admitted the "centrist" view on the minimum wage is that it reduces employment by a small amount, here he confesses the "wide belief" of economists that longer-term and more generous unemployment benefits lead to, well, a more generous and longer-term spell of unemployment.

That belief is texbook-- literally. Krugman wrote about it in a macroeconomics textbook.

And yet, when he is in his firebreathing partisan loyalist mode -- a mode he has scarcely departed from lately -- he will instruct you that only stupid Republicans and non-wonks could possibly believe these silly little nostrums, and that no self-respecting Wonk could possibly credit them as true.

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1 new thread smell, and wait for the vic is so old to start

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 10, 2013 10:23 AM (T2V/1)

2 Krugman has been a lying communist even longer than the lying Choom King.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 10, 2013 10:24 AM (T2V/1)

3 Megyn Kelly was on Leno last night and Leno was pushing a minimum wage hike and Kelly didn't push back at all. It was basically, why are Repubs so mean to poor people they won't raise the minimum wage?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:25 AM (ZPrif)

4 Just think of Obamacare as a couple of  hundred million broken windows... prosperity is on the cusp.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at December 10, 2013 10:25 AM (Pr6hk)

5 In before "attacking space aliens are stimulus" counterpoint.


Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 10:26 AM (GQ8sn)

6 Nothing has ever been written or said by the nobel laureate of blood libel that is of any value to anyone. This is just more of the same incoherent babbling.

Posted by: VADM(Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at December 10, 2013 10:26 AM (O7OxF)

7 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 10:26 AM (nUH8H)

8 In before the Stylebook!

Posted by: toby928© at December 10, 2013 10:27 AM (QupBk)

9 "wide belief" of economists....

Is the science settled?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2013 10:27 AM (oJ5Fd)

10 Minimum wage stupidity is, literally, Econ 101. And yet we can't even push back on that. High minimum wages cause unemployment among low-skill workers. All of Europe has huge problems with high structural unemployment due to market distortions like this. And the once you price a large swath of the public out of any possible job, you have to expand the welfare state so they don't die. The ever larger welfare state then further increases unemployment.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:27 AM (ZPrif)

11 or... It's All Bullshit.

Posted by: soothie at December 10, 2013 10:27 AM (mZGNr)

12 Minimum wage laws directly hurt the poor. And yet the majority of the public believes the exact opposite.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:28 AM (ZPrif)

13 I think we tackle this whole minimum wage thing the wrong way. If the "evil" it purports to combat is "income inequality," why don't we turn that around and make Liberals prove that "income inequality" is evil? That is, make them answer this question: You can make the same money as a part time fry-guy or as a full-time plumber. Which one do you pick? Why?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 10:28 AM (nUH8H)

14 Krugman's going to get a rash if he keeps patting himself on the back for all that remarkable erudition of his.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2013 10:29 AM (8ZskC)

15 I'm sorry. I'm not even going to pretend I read the article. Too big a lunch. Krugman is boring. Nap time.

Posted by: jwest at December 10, 2013 10:30 AM (u2a4R)

16 >>1 new thread smell, and wait for the vic is so old to start If you insist. When Vic yelled "First" it was because he'd chiseled the first comment below a cave drawing.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 10, 2013 10:30 AM (SUKHu)

17 The corn in my stool knows more about economics than the Elfin Mister Krugman

Posted by: Dr. Art Laffer at December 10, 2013 10:30 AM (Pr6hk)

18 Come to me, child. Come. That is real power. Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.

Posted by: Thulsa Choom at December 10, 2013 10:30 AM (QupBk)

19 Does Mr. Krugman have a newsletter?

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at December 10, 2013 10:30 AM (Dwehj)

20 Also, if it suddenly costs (in real terms) $15.00/hr for a part-time fry-guy, how soon does McDonald's move to an all (or mostly) robot work force? Seriously, most fast-food joints are run like an assembly line already. Why not automate the rest of it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 10:30 AM (nUH8H)

21 One could write an entire book that compared and contrasted pre-Obama Krugman with post-Obama Krugman.

The Right similarly has experts, think tanks, studies and the like.  The big difference is that a "study" conducted by a leftist college professor or "non-partisan" Dem front group gets cited as legitimate in the MSM.

Any similar study from a right-leaning group gets treated as partisan astroturf not to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2013 10:30 AM (SY2Kh)

22 HOW could you disparage the diminutive Mr. Krugman?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at December 10, 2013 10:31 AM (Pr6hk)

23 I'd get on the computer and find out but ours here at the White House is broken.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at December 10, 2013 10:32 AM (Dwehj)

24 If govt does nothing, businesses will pay its low skilled employees next to nothing. Is that right?

Posted by: I'm Dumb at December 10, 2013 10:32 AM (mZGNr)

25 HOW, indeed.

Posted by: Tonto Goldstein at December 10, 2013 10:33 AM (QupBk)

26 Because the Left's Wonks have an embarrassing tendency to completely ignore all of their previously stated Expert Opinion The Left's wonks: 404Care The Right's wonks: Bain Capital

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2013 10:33 AM (lUXJH)

27 In before "I saw Complex Theoretical Rationales open for Opeth in Stockholm, 2006."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 10, 2013 10:33 AM (7ObY1)

28 Megyn Kelly spent much of her time on Leno insisting she wasn't a conservative. It clearly was the main message she intended to convey. It clearly was her main Talking Point since she came back to it a few times. I was disappointed she seemed at a loss for any legitimate reasons to oppose raising the minimum wage. But perhaps she just knew discretion was wiser since the audience would just think she was mean if she pushed back at all on Leno's call to raise the min. wage to $10/hr

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:33 AM (ZPrif)

29

The term "evidence-based" of course is not limited to economics.  It gets used in lots of  circles where lefties tend to gather.

 

The problem is, their  actions are very rarely based on evidence.  It's all about challenging authority unitl they become the authority.  Then it becomes set in stone.  The law  is imposed  from on  high. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2013 10:34 AM (xCw24)

30 Also, if it suddenly costs (in real terms) $15.00/hr for a part-time fry-guy, how soon does McDonald's move to an all (or mostly) robot work force? I for one welcome our new burger overlords. Seriously, why am I paying extra for indifferent, slack-jawed service at any fast food joint? (Here in DC it comes with extra "attitude"), whereas 60 miles down I-95 in Ladysmith, VA it comes with extra droolingÂ….) I'd gladly pay for kiosk type service where I punch in my order and it comes out the other side the way I want it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:34 AM (yz6yg)

31 Consider- no more messed up orders. The customer plugs in their order themselves (perhaps with assistance from a real human, but mostly not), and the food comes out the other end. Papa Johns already has a WYSIWYG editor for pizza, it's not like McD's couldn't do the same thing. McDonalds already has their fry batches so measured that they just dump whole bags of frozen fries into a hopper, then just turn the dial to get exactly the right number of fries in the basket. It's not that far off, technologically speaking, and if labor is that expensive anyway, why not have labor that will never call in sick, never have to take breaks, etc?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 10:34 AM (nUH8H)

32 Vic is so old, he remembers when there wasn't even a minimum wage at all.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 10, 2013 10:34 AM (YYJjz)

33 Excuse me, isn't it Krugtron the Invincible? Did we burn the StyleGuide?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 10, 2013 10:34 AM (da5Wo)

34 "Here's the world as many Republicans see it: Unemployment insurance, which generally pays eligible workers between 40 and 50 percent of their previous pay, reduces the incentive to search for a new job. As a result, the story goes, workers stay unemployed longer."--former Enron adviser Paul Krugman, New York Times, Dec. 9

Unemployment, who knows. I have seen many patients discover that disability, no matter how much less it is than their previous wage, is preferable to rehab and returning to the work force. They will fight tooth and nail to keep, fail every rehab known to science, etc. It's easier to be a bum on $2K a month than a maker at $5K a month...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 10, 2013 10:34 AM (vHRtU)

35 Megyn Kelly is only good with 'red meat' issues. Her niche is to get all oUtRaGeY over stuff conservatives care about. She's a performer for ratings.

Posted by: soothie at December 10, 2013 10:35 AM (mZGNr)

36 Or, they're liars.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 10, 2013 10:35 AM (qyfb5)

37

Also, if it suddenly costs (in real terms) $15.00/hr for a part-time fry-guy, how soon does McDonald's move to an all (or mostly) robot work force?


Seriously, most fast-food joints are run like an assembly line already. Why not automate the rest of it?

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 02:30 PM (nUH8H)

 

Absolutely.  If I'm running a franchise, what are my choices? 

 

Raise prices?  Then I run the risk that fewer people will buy my food.

Shrink portions?  Unless people are really hooked on my food, then I run the risk they'll go somewhere else for the portion I used to sell.

Automate?  OK, that's a big upfront expenditure - but I won't have to deal with unreasonable employees and I should be able to make my investment back within a year or so.

 

See the door, LaQuisha?  Don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 10, 2013 10:36 AM (zF6Iw)

38 She's a performer for ratings. You misspelled "hawt."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 10:36 AM (nUH8H)

39 Vic still has the first denarius he ever made.

Posted by: Tonto Goldstein at December 10, 2013 10:36 AM (QupBk)

40 The 'science' of economics, on display for all the world to see.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2013 10:36 AM (wNF3N)

41

>>>Seriously, why am I paying extra for indifferent, slack-jawed service at any fast food joint? (Here in DC it comes with extra "attitude"), whereas 60 miles down I-95 in Ladysmith, VA it comes with extra droolingÂ….)

 

And robots don't spit (among other things) into your food.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at December 10, 2013 10:37 AM (WDCYi)

42 Vic is so old, he remembers when there wasn't even a minimum wage at all. FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:37 AM (yz6yg)

43 It's totally obvious that wing nuts travelled back in time and altered all his previous articles and writings.

Posted by: GalaKitty at December 10, 2013 10:37 AM (KT2XH)

44

Yeah - 'cuz I want to pay more for that Big Mac so that the kid who can't spell or do math can  feel good about himself.

 

Dude gets my order wrong every.stinking.time.

 

But by all means, let's reward him just for  remembering to breathe for another day, shall we?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at December 10, 2013 10:37 AM (PZ6/M)

45 Vic is so old, he remembers the last time Paul Krugman was right about something.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 10, 2013 10:37 AM (YYJjz)

46 It's simple to argue: Hey, dummies, you like that "dollar menu?" Well, say hello to the $3 Menu if min wage goes up to $15/hr.

Posted by: soothie at December 10, 2013 10:38 AM (mZGNr)

47

Megyn Kelly spent much of her time on Leno insisting she wasn't a conservative.

 

Good thing you've got your looks, then, Megyn.

 


It clearly was the main message she intended to convey. It clearly was her main Talking Point since she came back to it a few times.


I was disappointed she seemed at a loss for any legitimate reasons to oppose raising the minimum wage. But perhaps she just knew discretion was wiser since the audience would just think she was mean if she pushed back at all on Leno's call to raise the min. wage to $10/hr

 

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 02:33 PM (ZPrif)

 

I really hate that.  "Oh, I know I'm right and I could make a great argument, but - sniff, sniff - they'll think I'm a big meanie!"  F that shit.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 10, 2013 10:38 AM (zF6Iw)

48 Ace - are you gonna review the new "KrugTron The Invincible" movie when it comes out?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 10, 2013 10:38 AM (f9c2L)

49 but theyÂ’re uncomfortable with abject partisanship. o.0

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 10, 2013 10:38 AM (JP8hJ)

50 See the door, LaQuisha? Don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out. Baby got back y'all!

Posted by: LaQuisha LaWaNdA Jackson[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:38 AM (yz6yg)

51 Vic is old enough to have been paid in clams.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2013 10:38 AM (wNF3N)

52 I still like Megyn. And she's clever enough to try to use Leno to grow her audience. And that means appealing to more "moderates" and people who won't try FoxNews cause they've been told it's all mean and right-wingy. From a ratings and $$ perspective the smart strategy for any FoxNews anchor invited onto Leno or Letterman is to play to the center and even center-left.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:39 AM (ZPrif)

53 Oh yeah, robots.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at December 10, 2013 10:39 AM (QupBk)

54 Vic is old enough to have been paid in clams  salt.


Fixed.

Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 10:39 AM (GQ8sn)

55 45 Vic is so old, he remembers the last time Paul Krugman was right about something. Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 10, 2013 02:37 PM (YYJjz) Assumes facts not in evidence.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 10, 2013 10:39 AM (da5Wo)

56 That is, make them answer this question: You can make the same money as a part time fry-guy or as a full-time plumber. Which one do you pick? Why? I would tackle it slightly differently, AllenG. I think the way to phrase the question is not, "which level of income would you like?" but something more like this: "Ok, so income inequality is evil and must be done away with. I was thinking about a career in medicine. I could go to school for around 8-10 years, plus several more years of on the job training, so i can take care of kids with cancer. Or, i can go straight to work out of high school and get paid the same, because income inequality is evil. Why should i go through all that mess to become a doctor?"

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at December 10, 2013 10:39 AM (lpR33)

57 "Why do republicans hate the poor" Response: Why do liberals hate hard working Americans who do hard manual labor for marginally more than minimum wage? The UPS loader making 10/hour? His buying power takes a huge hit by a minimum wage increase. Why do liberals hate him?

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2013 10:39 AM (hFL/3)

58 It's simple to argue: No it's not, because Liberals will just say "only if they're greedy!" or something. Well, it's easy to argue that, but then you have to follow-up. And the follow-up (which is 100% accurate) is much harder to argue.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 10:39 AM (nUH8H)

59

Vic still has the first denarius he ever made.

 

Caesar told him, "here, kid, park the chariot.  And I counted the sesterces in the ashtray, so don't try anything funny."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 10, 2013 10:40 AM (zF6Iw)

60 We righties have the Heritage Foundation!

Oh wait..

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at December 10, 2013 10:40 AM (GdalM)

61 That Krugman guy doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Posted by: That Krugman guy at December 10, 2013 10:40 AM (VndSC)

62 54 Vic is old enough to have been paid in clams salt wives. Fixed. Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 02:39 PM (GQ8sn) Fixed again.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 10, 2013 10:40 AM (da5Wo)

63 >>Seriously, why am I paying extra for indifferent, slack-jawed service at any fast food joint? (Here in DC it comes with extra "attitude") I don't miss that. But even though I get called "ma'am" at McD's and they rarely mess up the order, I could push some buttons and swipe my own credit card. Or better yet, order via app...yeh, and have a catapult deliver it to me... Wait, how did I get off the subject of Vic's age??

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 10, 2013 10:40 AM (SUKHu)

64 I could swear a guy by the name of F. A. Hayek wrote something about what he called "The Knowledge Problem."

Posted by: Jimbo at December 10, 2013 10:41 AM (V70Uh)

65

20 -

 

Fast food restaurants, as "everyone" knows, are not all the same.  Interestingly, although McDs does indeed have an assembly line type of  operation, whereas their competitors tend to imply that they are all about letting customers dictate the product, the difference in quality of employee between McDs and their competitors is quite remarkable.

 

McDs hires some of  the same teenagers  from the same pool, but the operation itself requires them to behave like human beings, and treat customers well.  It shows up in, not only customer service, but quality of product delivered. 

 

It is not an accident that McDs outsells their competitors by zillions of dollars.  And it has  almost nothing to do with the taste or  price of the food.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2013 10:41 AM (xCw24)

66 No shit, the progressives ruin everything they touch.  They just don't recognize the mess they made.

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at December 10, 2013 10:41 AM (GdalM)

67 I saw a pic a few days ago of a Pizza Hut in NYC with the front end completely encased in bullet resistant plexi, a la a gas station attendent. Card reader outside, cash slot, double doored delivery bay that only opens one door at a time.

If there is no long any need for human contact on the front end, automate the whole damn thing and dump 99% of the entry level staff,

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 10, 2013 10:41 AM (vHRtU)

68

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 02:33 PM (ZPrif)

 

 

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Lest we forget.  Megyn Kelly is nothing more than another talking tv head.  She only reads the copy in front of her or what someone is saying over her earpiece.  She's not payed to think about complicated things like the real affects of  minimum wage.  She's not payed to think, period.

 

So I'm wondering what people were expecting last night.   Megyn is as dumb as  most of the rest of tv  "journolism".

Posted by: Soona at December 10, 2013 10:41 AM (Tx68O)

69 May we teach Ace's potential new puppy to pee on Krugman's leg?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 10, 2013 10:41 AM (vjQ/G)

70 Teh Left is just chock full of pundits oozing science-like substances....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 10, 2013 10:42 AM (wtvvX)

71 The UPS loader making 10/hour? His buying power takes a huge hit by a minimum wage increase. Why do liberals hate him? Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2013 02:39 PM (hFL/3) Hide posts from (hFL/3) The single mother with two kids living on a $35k office job, who has no money left over at the end of the month and whose purchasing power just went down 5-10%. EVERYTHING HAS CONSEQUENCES, but the Religion of the Left denies this basic fact of life.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 10, 2013 10:42 AM (qyfb5)

72 Or better yet, order via app...yeh, and have a catapult deliver it to meÂ… Chik-Fil-A has just such an app. And it's AWESOME. They're testing it right now in 4 U.S. locations and one of them happens to be across the street from my office. Chipotle has an app too, but for some reason they STILL screw up the order every time.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:42 AM (yz6yg)

73 What Megyn Kelly, and anyone else confronted with the fast food minimum wage baiting should ask he same rhetorical question..."If it's as simple as paying ten bucks an hour to all employees guaranteeing a thriving business and an enthusiastic workforce, as well as contributing to a growing economy, then where the fuck is your burger shop, jackass?".

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 10, 2013 10:43 AM (ZshNr)

74 Yes, it is definitely a sign of discomfort with abject partisanship when these so-called intellectuals point and shout "Denier" at those who disagree with them. Also, when the call them "Tea-baggers" and liken them to Nazis.
Uh huh.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 10, 2013 10:44 AM (JRmiD)

75 >>Why do liberals hate hard working Americans who do hard manual labor for marginally more than minimum wage? The UPS loader making 10/hour? His buying power takes a huge hit by a minimum wage increase. Why do liberals hate him? Very nice. I would take it one step further. The reason so many people are working in low wage jobs is because our economy is burdened by so many liberal policies. From the liberal take over of our school system in the 60's with the result that we have some of the dumbest, most unprepared kids coming into the workplace to crushing regulations that have been crushing our industries and either hampering wage growth or sending jobs overseas, it is liberal policies that have been harming the American worker and keeping wages low. Why do liberals hate workers?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2013 10:44 AM (g1DWB)

76 I saw a pic a few days ago of a Pizza Hut in NYC with the front end completely encased in bullet resistant plexi, a la a gas station attendent. Card reader outside, cash slot, double doored delivery bay that only opens one door at a time. Please please please tell me the delivery bay releases sarin gas if a threat is identified. PLEASE!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:44 AM (yz6yg)

77 I would tackle it slightly differently You're not actually tackling it differently at all, except that you're giving them an "out." See, people should be Doctors out of the goodness of their hearts. So when you ask that question, of course they'll say, "Well I would choose to be a Doctor, so I could help people! The money doesn't matter to me!" If you make them choose between two "low" professions- fast-food worker or plumber- then there is no "moral imperative" to choose one or the other. Remember, Liberals (claim to) believe that You Owe Society if you're capable of being a doctor, or a lawyer, or whatever. Therefore OF COURSE you should take on all that debt even though you wouldn't be making any more money.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 10:44 AM (nUH8H)

78 I think the upshot is that leftist economists are pseudointellectual twatwaffles. Like Krugtron teh Invincible.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 10:45 AM (lokJh)

79 So either we gets robots doing the minimum wage jobs (like applebees and other restaurants are doing with their wait staff) or we start paying $15.00 for a mediocre cheeseburger. Prediction: if the minimum wage gets increased, we'll start hearing more about food insecurity and the need to increase food stamp benefits.

Posted by: taylork at December 10, 2013 10:45 AM (ppNDn)

80 Seriously, most fast-food joints are run like an assembly line already. Why not automate the rest of it? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 02:30 PM (nUH8H) This is coming, wage hike or not. Servers up front will be human, that's about it. Jonah made a decent blog post on that idea.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 10:45 AM (E8IHS)

81 All of you folks talking about the impact on fry cooks and employment for a $15  min wage are missing one important point.  The so-called strikers or not fast food workers demanding higher wages at all.  They are paid rent-a-mobs from the unions trying to unionize these places and then get a min wage increase.


A min wage increase gives them an automatic wage increase because somebody was too stupid to tell them to piss off in contract negotiations. And from what I understand most of the unions that have this kind of contract are gov worker unions.


The gov doesn't worry about "negotiating" because up until now they just raised taxes every time. Its not their money.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 10, 2013 10:45 AM (T2V/1)

82 Your wage does not reflect your value as a person! Stop equating the two, obamabots!

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 10, 2013 10:46 AM (WdbF7)

83 ______ is so old, he remembers not having a name.

Posted by: Azenogoth at December 10, 2013 10:46 AM (Kh+vp)

84
My economist can kick your economists ass.

Friedman would tear Krugtron a new one.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2013 10:46 AM (nELVU)

85 I, for one, welcome our new fast food robot overlords.

Posted by: Roy at December 10, 2013 10:46 AM (VndSC)

86 Several years ago Laurie Dhue told me Megyn doesn't wear underwear. Ever.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 10, 2013 10:46 AM (vHRtU)

87

Forget 'income inequality', when are we going to address  sex inequality?  I know there are some frat boys  out there  getting way more  action  than me.  

 

This oppression must end!

Posted by: Icedog at December 10, 2013 10:46 AM (2zsKz)

88

@ 81 - "The gov doesn't worry about "negotiating" because up until now they just raised taxes every time. Its not their money."

 

Vic, as a man who has literally seen it all, you speak with the voice and wisdom of the years.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 10, 2013 10:47 AM (YYJjz)

89

or we start paying $15.00 for a mediocre cheeseburger.

 

 

Don't harsh my business model, man.

Posted by: Guy Fieri at December 10, 2013 10:47 AM (CIG3p)

90 Megyn is clearly smart. And probably smart enough to realize that arguing public policy on Leno isn't smart for her career. The point of PR on Leno is, usually, to "humanize" and do soft focus and playful banter and just be as "likable" as possible. She's not an activists. She wants people to watch her TV show. Going on Leno is a way to try and attract new viewers who currently don't watch her, try to get them to sample the product. So she wants to appear inviting and friendly. It's understandable. She's a smart lady, she wouldn't do something like Leno without a strategy for what she hoped to accomplish. And clearly one of those strategies was to insists that she is not a partisan, ideological right-winger.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:47 AM (ZPrif)

91 I wonder if Krugman has to label his ass cheeks to remenber which end to shovel food into and which end to wipe.

Posted by: maddogg at December 10, 2013 10:47 AM (xWW96)

92 >>My economist can kick your economists ass. Friedman would tear Krugtron a new one.

Thomas Sowell could, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 10, 2013 10:48 AM (JRmiD)

93 Several years ago Laurie Dhue told me Megyn doesn't wear underwear. Ever.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 10, 2013 02:46 PM (vHRtU)



Must be why she's constantly pregnant.



Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 10:48 AM (GQ8sn)

94 Friedman would tear Krugtron a new one.

Hell, Adam Smith would bitch-slap him using his Invisible Hand.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 10, 2013 10:48 AM (wtvvX)

95 Megyn Kelly is only good with 'red meat' issues. She looks like she would be good with all colors of meat. Soooo hot.

Posted by: wooga at December 10, 2013 10:48 AM (TXmih)

96 Must be why she's constantly pregnant. Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 02:48 PM (GQ8sn) You'd hit it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:48 AM (yz6yg)

97 86 Several years ago Laurie Dhue told me Megyn doesn't wear underwear. Ever. Now there's a FOX Babe I haven't seen in forever. Whatever happened to the comely Ms. Dhue?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 10, 2013 10:48 AM (7ObY1)

98 Posted by: Vic at December 10, 2013 02:45 PM (T2V/1) I'm not ignoring that at all. However, most people don't realize that (or dismiss it if you bring it up). Remember, people believed that Occupy was "grass roots" but the TEA Parties were "astroturf." So you have to hit them where they are- and where they are is "income inequality."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 10:48 AM (nUH8H)

99 You'd hit it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2013 02:48 PM (yz6yg)


As if you even need to say it.



Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 10:49 AM (GQ8sn)

100 Seriously, most fast-food joints are run like an assembly line already. Why not automate the rest of it? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 02:30 PM (nUH8H) This is coming, wage hike or not. Servers up front will be human, that's about it. Trade school for mechanic/maintenance for line repair/maintenance. Let something even get slightly out of whack & the robot is squirting ketchup & mustard on the floor.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2013 10:49 AM (lUXJH)

101 Dude gets my order wrong every.stinking.time. But by all means, let's reward him just for remembering to breathe for another day, shall we? Where do you guys live that McDonald's gets your order wrong? I don't eat out at McDonald's a lot (once every three months maybe?), but I can't remember the last time they got an order wrong. Now Taco Bell is a different story. I've had so many wrong orders there it's not even a question. I wouldn't think NOT to check. If they gave me something as good as or better than what I ordered, I don't even mention it. If it's not as good as what I ordered, that's when I go back. And I eat at Taco Bell 1/10th as often as McDonald's.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:49 AM (sByIH)

102 Robots don't spit in your food.

Posted by: wooga at December 10, 2013 10:50 AM (TXmih)

103 Megyn Kelly is only good with 'red meat' issues. Her niche is to get all oUtRaGeY over stuff conservatives care about. She's a performer for ratings. Posted by: soothie at December 10, 2013 02:35 PM (mZGNr) She's also had one nose job too many.

Posted by: Iblis at December 10, 2013 10:50 AM (9221z)

104 When Vic was young, they'd have to turn over the clay tablet to start a new thread!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 10, 2013 10:50 AM (vjQ/G)

105 McDs hires some of the same teenagers from the same pool, but the operation itself requires them to behave like human beings, and treat customers well. It shows up in, not only customer service, but quality of product delivered.
Posted by: BurtTC
...........
Ha.. around here there is no "teenagers" working at McD's.  They are all non-English speaking crews in the kitchen.  it's been like that for years. 

The counter people, however, have moved back to mostly people who natively speak English.  The McD's near me almost all tried to put Latino counter people up front but they fucked up orders so bad and no one could understand them, that they must have realized that isn't going to work.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 10, 2013 10:50 AM (f9c2L)

106 I would prefer if somebody like Megyn used her position and gifts to move the center to the right. On Leno she let Leno define the center and said she was in it. Obama uses this tactic very effectively . He defines the center as where he is. He constantly claims he's not an ideological guy, just a pragmatic centrist. It's a very effective tactic. Especially with a compliant media.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:50 AM (ZPrif)

107 You'd hit it. Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2013 02:48 PM (yz6yg) Like a freight train. Yes, a small freight train, but a freight train nonetheless.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 10, 2013 10:50 AM (da5Wo)

108 I still very much favor the grade redistribution as a way to teach young people about why socialism sucks. "Nice A you got there, Sally. We're turning it to a B- so that Lazy Jack over there can bring up his D. Grade equality!"

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (hFL/3)

109 Let something even get slightly out of whack & the robot is squirting ketchup & mustard on the floor. Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2013 02:49 PM (lUXJH) You just know some pimple-faced teen will hack the burgerbots to be a sex toy.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (lokJh)

110 Several years ago Laurie Dhue told me Megyn doesn't wear underwear. Ever. Confirmed http://tinyurl.com/nk4kvf3

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (yz6yg)

111 Forget 'income inequality', when are we going to address sex inequality? I know there are some frat boys out there getting way more action than me. Posted by: Icedog at December 10, 2013 02:46 PM (2zsKz) Hide posts from (2zsKz) Single-payer sex?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (qyfb5)

112 Ms. Dhue now works for Beck at BlazeTV, I believe.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (ZPrif)

113

>>Trade school for mechanic/maintenance for line repair/maintenance.  <<

 

 

 

Good career opp for robot "stick men".  Every mechanical / robotic thingamajig needs an assist now and then (i.e. whacking with a stick).

Posted by: Roy at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (VndSC)

114 Several years ago Laurie Dhue told me Megyn doesn't wear underwear. Ever. Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 10, 2013 02:46 PM (vHRtU) Must be why she's constantly pregnant. Saves time.....

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (lUXJH)

115 Fully automated hamburger making machine:

http://momentummachines.com/#product

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (oJ5Fd)

116 Laurie Do-me now has her own media company. I spent a day with her in Vegas a few years ago...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (vHRtU)

117

100: "Let something even get slightly out of whack & the robot is squirting ketchup & mustard on the floor. "

 

Like Joe McBugerflipper doesn't already do that?

Posted by: Azenogoth at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (v6cwT)

118 This is coming, wage hike or not.

Servers up front will be human, that's about it. Jonah made a decent blog post on that idea.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 02:45 PM (E8IHS)

 

 

----------------------------------------------------

 

 

Ever heard of the automat?  They were really big in the late 50's and 60's.  Automated food service much like food vending machines now.  Except now, technology makes it possible to serve hot food instead of just a refrigerated item.

 

Touchscreens at the counter.  Pay with a card or cash just like the auto check-outs at grocery supermarkets, then wait for the machine to drop your hot food items on a tray.

Posted by: Soona at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (Tx68O)

119 Don't forget that Megyn Kelly worked as a lawyer for about 10 years before moving into journalism.  And she was a super hawt babe before she cut her hair.  Now just hawt.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 10, 2013 10:51 AM (T2V/1)

120 >> Several years ago Laurie Dhue told me Megyn doesn't wear underwear. Ever.
 
And I'm sure Megyn's camera crew has the highest job happiness rating, ever.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2013 10:52 AM (wNF3N)

121 They argue mostly through evidence-based reasoning, sometimes shot through with a bit of sarcasm or anger, but theyÂ’re uncomfortable with abject partisanship. Right, the "Hockey Stick" is not partisan and it's like sort of the fact, if you leave some of the facts out, which is OK for Gagia or something.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 10, 2013 10:52 AM (0FSuD)

122 IIRC Ms. Dhue is doing news at the Blaze after a fight with alcoholisim.

Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2013 10:52 AM (6bvBO)

123 Vic told every one that 'government' was a bad idea at the time. If only they had listened.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at December 10, 2013 10:52 AM (QupBk)

124 A couple of weeks ago, I called McDonald's corporate hotline to complain about the young Latina picking and rubbing her nose while she was getting my coffee. They really got excited when I said I was not just a customer, but, also a stockholder, which is true. Yeah, she was totes worth $15.00 an hour, syriasly, you guys, for realz!!!

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at December 10, 2013 10:52 AM (3oDvn)

125 Back where I come from it is widely understood that George Orwell was writing a warning a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual.

Posted by: Some Guy from an Alternate Universe at December 10, 2013 10:52 AM (FktJO)

126 Whatever happened to the comely Ms. Dhue?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 10, 2013 02:48 PM (7ObY1)


----


Didnt she start own media comapny??


Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2013 10:52 AM (nELVU)

127 Like a freight train. Yes, a small freight train, but a freight train nonetheless. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 10, 2013 02:50 PM (da5Wo) You're Irish, so we're talking like an HO scale freight train, right?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:53 AM (yz6yg)

128 Whatever happened to the comely Ms. Dhue?
Posted by: BlueStateRebel
.......
Yeah.. she was a cutie.. But Jamie Colby is still my favorite Fox babe...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 10, 2013 10:53 AM (f9c2L)

129 I love self checkout.

Posted by: X at December 10, 2013 10:53 AM (KHo8t)

130 Confirmed

http://tinyurl.com/nk4kvf3

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2013 02:51 PM (yz6yg)



Oh my god....



Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 10:53 AM (GQ8sn)

131 Trade school for mechanic/maintenance for line repair/maintenance. Sure. But I can hire three maintenance guys (or, better, outsource that with pretty strict SLAs) for cheaper than having a bunch of high school and college kids at 10+/hr

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 10:53 AM (nUH8H)

132 Taco Bell employees use mechanical devices (like caulking guns) to assemble condiments on your food. Food assembly is not a $15 an hour task. If it can be done by robots or retards, it does not deserve the mythical "living wage."

Posted by: wooga at December 10, 2013 10:53 AM (TXmih)

133 Megyn Kelly  can sit in my food, anytime.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2013 10:54 AM (CIG3p)

134 118 Posted by: Soona at December 10, 2013 02:51 PM (Tx68O)


As I recall the automats were simply restaurants with food in individual lockers with glass doors.  You inserted coins in a slot and the door would unlatch.


That was the ones I have seen descriptions and pictures of in NYC where they originated.  All the food preparation was still done by humans.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 10, 2013 10:54 AM (T2V/1)

135


Seeing Krugs getting his ass totally kicked out there is always a good thing.

http://tinyurl.com/lrosdof

Asshole caused me grief with that trade text, and he was a fraud all along.

I bet he didn't write any of it...




Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunnies at December 10, 2013 10:54 AM (xggaJ)

136 Single-payer sex?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 10, 2013 02:51 PM (qyfb5)


Before most of us had the Kate Upton plan and some had the Lindsay Lohan plan, and now after single payer we all have the Lena Dunham plan.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 10, 2013 10:54 AM (WdbF7)

137 "Let something even get slightly out of whack the robot is squirting ketchup mustard on the floor. "

Someone who knows more about robots in the automotive industry can comment on this better than I, but my understanding is they're pretty reliable these days.

Like Joe McBugerflipper doesn't already do that?

That's not all he's squirting on the floor.  Or in the food.   Robots are going to be more sanitary.



I'm also wondering what sort of sauce would accompany Roast Wonk.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 10, 2013 10:54 AM (ZKzrr)

138 Laurie Dhue anchors BlazeTV at 5pm. Started back in September.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:54 AM (ZPrif)

139 Whatever happened to the comely Ms. Dhue?


She was living the moronette lifestyle for some time before she went sober, i.e. booze.

Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 10:54 AM (GQ8sn)

140 I still very much favor the grade redistribution as a way to teach young people about why socialism sucks. "Nice A you got there, Sally. We're turning it to a B- so that Lazy Jack over there can bring up his D. Grade equality!" >>>>Do not start giving under performing urban school districts (democrat controlled I might add) any ideas.

Posted by: taylork at December 10, 2013 10:55 AM (ppNDn)

141 Has anybody said "Living wage? Fine...which means they are not eligible for food stamps, section 8 housing, or any other government handout. Deal?"

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 10:55 AM (lokJh)

142 Oh oh! Let's extend the metaphor... Minimum grades. Everyone gets at least a C. It's only fair. They show up to class (sometimes) so they deserve it!

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2013 10:55 AM (hFL/3)

143 You're Irish, so we're talking like an HO scale freight train, right? Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2013 02:53 PM (yz6yg) Chugga chugga choo choo.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 10, 2013 10:55 AM (da5Wo)

144 Single-payer sex?

Half the babies born in America last year were paid for by Medicaid.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 10, 2013 10:55 AM (ZKzrr)

145 Yeah.. she was a cutie.. But Jamie Colby is still my favorite Fox babe... Just looked it up, Dhue works for Glenn Beck now, and used to be an alcoholic. Speaking of former FOX hotties, I recently saw Paige Hopkins filling in on MSDNC. But what the F ever happened to Jennifer Eccleston, the foreign correspondent. She was wicked hot, back in the Desert Storm days, then she completely vanished off the face of the earth.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 10, 2013 10:56 AM (7ObY1)

146 Ace, you misspelled what they're doing, which is a "volta-farce."

Posted by: jakeman at December 10, 2013 10:56 AM (vH4YP)

147 61 That Krugman guy doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.   Hope he never goes golfing with El Presidente--or maybe I hope he does.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (Xmw9g)

148 I would prefer if somebody like Megyn used her position and gifts to move the center to the right. I'd prefer she'd use her position and gifts to move the center up and down. Repeatedly. Slowly at first and then rapidly.

Posted by: wooga at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (TXmih)

149 Single-payer sex?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 10, 2013 02:51 PM (qyfb5)

Before most of us had the Kate Upton plan and some had the Lindsay Lohan plan, and now after single payer we all have the Lena Dunham plan.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 10, 2013 02:54 PM (WdbF7)

 

 

Oh man. Brutal

Posted by: Rosie Odonutell at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (nTgAI)

150 Chugga chugga choo choo. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 10, 2013 02:55 PM (da5Wo) I'll bet that the story of the Little Engine That Could is like reality TV in your house.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (yz6yg)

151 Lauri Dhue started having a lot of drinking problems and had to part ways with Fox.  She is now a recovering alcoholic and has been off the sauce for a while and is slowly getting herself and her reputation back into journalism.


It doesn't surprise me that she would get a chance at The Blaze because Glenn Beck had the same problem.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (T2V/1)

152 Whatever happened to the comely Ms. Dhue? Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 10, 2013 02:48 PM (7ObY1) Lifestyle change due to alcoholism.

Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (fWAjv)

153

105 -

 

It should be noted the difference between corporate owned McDs restaurants and franchises are often the difference between night and day.

 

Corporate stores are shite.  Franchises, where the owner does everything except dress up as Ronald tend to  be much more customer friendly, much more likely to provide quality service, and give you your food in the manner you would  expect from an operation that cares about pleasing customers (which doesn't mean it'll be good, this is McDonalds we're talking about). 

 

Not always the case, of course, but  that's the general nature of it. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (xCw24)

154 Trade school for mechanic/maintenance for line repair/maintenance. Sure. But I can hire three maintenance guys (or, better, outsource that with pretty strict SLAs) for cheaper than having a bunch of high school and college kids at 10+/hr I agree. Good job opp/career plan for a kid still in hs.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (lUXJH)

155 Filthy sock

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (nTgAI)

156 Now If I had started reading at the bottom of the thread I would know we're talking about Megan Kelly not Krugman. and leftists schizophrenia.

Posted by: Some Guy from an Alternate Universe at December 10, 2013 10:57 AM (FktJO)

157 Chugga chugga choo choo.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 10, 2013 02:55 PM (da5Wo)


Someone called me?

Posted by: Joey B at December 10, 2013 10:58 AM (L8r/r)

158 Paul Krugman predicted a recession "next year" in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005. Each one of those "next years" had GDP growth of 2.5% or higher.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 10:58 AM (0LHZx)

159 If you make them choose between two "low" professions- fast-food worker or plumber- then there is no "moral imperative" to choose one or the other. Except i think that the moral imperative is key to the kind of "dilemma" you're trying to force. As you said, both are considered "low" professions, and therefore only important in that meaningless "hero of the little guy" way to many on the left. Your question seems to boil down basically to "would you like more money, or less?" A great question when the greed canard comes up (greed is a real problem, of course, but it is not often the actual problem of greed that comes up in these discussions). I think to demonstrate the problem with income inequality objection, though, you have to invoke a profession with a higher barrier to entry and a more visibly "important" impact on the world. And if they want to claim that i must become a doctor if i have the capacity, there's still a simple response: "great! I can't afford it, so why don't you pay all my tuition and living expenses so i can become a doctor? After all, i have to, and that means you have a duty to help me fulfill my duty to the world!"

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at December 10, 2013 10:58 AM (lpR33)

160 Someone please link the Laurie Dhue pole dancing video!


Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 10:58 AM (GQ8sn)

161 Before most of us had the Kate Upton plan and some had the Lindsay Lohan plan, and now after single payer we all have the Lena Dunham plan. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 10, 2013 02:54 PM (WdbF7) Hide posts from (WdbF7) There's always a downside, ain't there? The exchanges will probably be worse than current online porn, also. *sigh* MAYBE GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER PRIVATE THINGS ISN'T SUCH A GREAT IDEA AFTER ALL.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 10, 2013 10:58 AM (qyfb5)

162 This is yet another area where the totalitarian impulse strikes the left. "We are the only ones who honor science and truth; we are the reality based community." It's what Reid and especially Obama do - reject that your opponents have a good-faith disagreement. That removes the need to provide any evidence or counter-argument. It's of the same stripe as the "conservative are evil argument." We are right because we are good. That provides ample basis to trample the rights of your opponents. "Shut up," they explained. Our side really doesn't do a good job of exploiting this obvious weakness. When the left doesn't have an argument, they shout "racist" or "anti-science." "I'm not racist" really isn't a good comeback. The other day, Quin Hilyer had a piece on NRO about the left's misuse of the race card. He destroyed (IMHO) his own argument by spending the first page documenting that he wasn't a racist. We shouldn't fall into that trap. When people are discussing public policy, each side must assume the good faith of their opponent unless there is evidence that they aren't acting in good faith. Hilyer's argument seeks to establish that he is acting in good faith (i.e. not a racist). The implication is that the left's cries of rampant right-wing racism are accurate, and therefore our side needs to establish its bona-fides before weighing in. It must be something in the way conservatives learn to argue generally. We almost always adopt the premise of the question/argument we are hit with and then respond to it. Newt (for all his numerous flaws) is one of the few who regularly avoids this trap. When the latest MSNBC clone comes out with "golf" is racist or "obamacare" is racist, any conservative in sight should be ridiculing the host mercilessly, not weakly arguing "no, it's not racist."

Posted by: Duke at December 10, 2013 10:58 AM (d3clc)

163 Oh, it seems she is an anchor on Becks network.

Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2013 10:58 AM (fWAjv)

164 I assume many of these newsbabes tend to socialize in pretty well to do circles. So when they finally marry and decide to have kids the dude makes so much money they only have to work if they really want to. Some clearly decide not to. They aren't tards, but I bet they lead pretty kick-ass lives now.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 10:59 AM (ZPrif)

165 ace, in the future please refer to Mr Krugman as Enron Adviser Krugman. That is how he is referred to in the WSJ. We should do no less

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 10, 2013 10:59 AM (0FSuD)

166 159 If you make them choose between two "low" professions- fast-food worker or plumber- then there is no "moral imperative" to choose one or the other. The plumbers I know and occasionally work for get $90/hour and usually turn down work.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 10:59 AM (lokJh)

167 What about ageism?! The 25-35 MILF's at the store discriminate against my 50 y/o hits on a daily basis.

"NO WAY"

"NOT EVEN"

"GO HOME GRAMPA, YOU'RE DRUNK!"

STAMP OUT AGEIST SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION! I'M GONNA SUE!

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 10, 2013 11:00 AM (vHRtU)

168 I hope Blaze gets on more cable carriers. A competitor on the right might be necessary to keep FoxNews from veering left.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 11:00 AM (ZPrif)

169 Your question seems to boil down basically to "would you like more money, or less?" Sorry, miscommunication then. The point is that they could make the SAME money AS EITHER a part-time fast-food worker OR as a plumber. So "You'll make the same money either way; would you rather work 25 hr/wk at McDs or 60 hr/wk as a plumber?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 11:00 AM (nUH8H)

170

Krugman ----The higher wage reduces the quantity of labor demanded, and hence leads to unemployment. This theoretical prediction has, however, been hard to confirm with actual data......

 

 

I'm no  Nobel Prize recepient but wouldn't  the opposite not be so hard to confirm?  That raising the minimum wage does not increase employment?   And if that is proven then the best case scenario is that it is neutral  and that neutrality is easily lost relative to the increases of the wages.   Also I am sure that the  advocates for the minimum wage did not take in consideration in their studies that it may stay neutral on existing jobs because it is offset by less profit  but that no new jobs are created based on the loss of capitalization money to these higher wages. 

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2013 11:01 AM (m2CN7)

171

148 -

 

"I'd prefer she'd use her position and gifts to move the center up and down. Repeatedly. Slowly at first and then rapidly."

 

 

 

Then slowly again.  Then wait, slow down... wait wait wait, STOP!!!  Ok, you can start up again... what do you mean 'I  am pushing rope,' my dear? 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2013 11:01 AM (xCw24)

172 Close the Upton Gap!

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at December 10, 2013 11:01 AM (QF8uk)

173 Close the Upton Gap!

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at December 10, 2013 03:01 PM (QF8uk)



*presses her boobs together*



Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 11:01 AM (GQ8sn)

174
Meghan Kelly never wears underwear.....


Well... my productivity is shot for the day....

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2013 11:02 AM (nELVU)

175 There is an actual scientific study of all leading economists: Surprising exactly no one, the Krugman is twice as likely to change his position depending upon which party controls the White House.

He is beyond a joke, he's a loser carrying around his 1973 High School State Football Championship trophy trying to score dates in a dive bar on Thursday.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 10, 2013 11:02 AM (VjL9S)

176 If it can be done by robots or retards, it does not deserve the mythical "living wage."

In one of my crappy jobs, my crappy apartment was walking distance from the Hy-Vee where Kurt Warner used to stock shelves, and when I would go there I would try to get into the checkout lane with the bag-boy with Downs Syndrome, because he always did a fabulous job.  Didn't put cans on top of my bread, put all the cold things together, didn't just grunt when I said thank you. Unlike the college students, who didn't give a shit about anything but where they were drinking/who they were boffing after they got off work.

I have some theories about why he cared more about doing his job right than the "normal" people who thought they were too good for it.  You can probably guess at them.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 10, 2013 11:02 AM (ZKzrr)

177 The plumbers I know and occasionally work for get $90/hour and usually turn down work. Yes. Which is exactly the point. "Income inequality" just means that different professions get paid differently. It means, at bottom, that a part-time fast-food worker is not WORTH what a full-time plumber is worth. If you're going to tilt against the windmill of "income inequality" then the real animal you'll slay (if you succeed) is the economic driver which causes people to say, "Yeah, I'd like to be a plumber" or even, "Yeah, I'd like to be a doctor."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 11:03 AM (nUH8H)

178 Megan just doesn't  roll my rocks.    Martha MacCallum all day long!

Posted by: Havedash at December 10, 2013 11:03 AM (gvqyH)

179

161 -

 

Government pron... why am I picturing the South Park "grapes of wrath" episode? 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2013 11:03 AM (xCw24)

180 A general minimum wage increase assumes that there is a money tree somewhere that pays the difference. In truth, it's like the fuel tax. If it's a broadbased cost increase, it's just inflation in disguise.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at December 10, 2013 11:03 AM (QupBk)

181 174 Meghan Kelly never wears underwear..... Well... my productivity is shot for the day.... Since it's already shot, I guess it's OK to mention that Megyn was captain of her high school cheerleading squad. Without panties. Um, I need to hit the men's room for a while...

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 10, 2013 11:04 AM (7ObY1)

182 It's always FORMER Enron Adviser. Taranto's schtick. Hey, O/T! Google planning brain microchip, link at Drudge. Read the novel "Feed," by M. T. Anderson. Chips ahoy, dude!

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 10, 2013 11:04 AM (uYO4C)

183 Someone who knows more about robots in the automotive industry can comment on this better than I, but my understanding is they're pretty reliable these days. I could be wrong and probably am, but I'd expect the million dollar robots that Detroit would use would be out of the price range of most MickeyD's. I'd think that there would still be 20 years before it is a George Jetson type arraingement. I.e., load up the meat machine once a shift, press start, come back 8 hours later for a reload. With zero problems.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2013 11:04 AM (lUXJH)

184

This thread is a perfect example of why I never get any work done.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at December 10, 2013 11:04 AM (WDCYi)

185 I have some theories about why he cared more about doing his job right than the "normal" people who thought they were too good for it. You can probably guess at them. Thanks, Heather. I think you know why I appreciate that. ::: fist bump :::

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 11:04 AM (yz6yg)

186 The sad thing? Meg's husband is also a stud and is so attractive he could be ghey or a model. Just more good looking smart white people sucking up to the man and keeping the Black folk down.

Posted by: Rev Al at December 10, 2013 11:04 AM (0FSuD)

187 I'll bet that the story of the Little Engine That Could is like reality TV in your house. Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2013 02:57 PM (yz6yg) Gotta combine The Little Engine That Could story with the Energizer Bunny commercials.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 10, 2013 11:04 AM (da5Wo)

188 Still waiting for Krugman to explain how the stimulus multiplier worked out in real life. Given the "results" it achieved, compared to what was forecast, there is almost no way in hell it was above 1, i.e. it was a giant bust.

I've noticed that the Left is always "wonky" about the future, where there is no direct evidence to disprove their hypotheses. Their past "wonky" failures just gets thrown down the memory hole. It's intellectually despicable.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 10, 2013 11:04 AM (2tjte)

189 So "You'll make the same money either way; would you rather work 25 hr/wk at McDs or 60 hr/wk as a plumber?"

C) squeeze out a couple of kids and never work outside your subsidized apartment ever again.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 10, 2013 11:04 AM (ZKzrr)

190 I guess it's OK to mention that Megyn was captain of her high school cheerleading squad. Without panties.


Aaaaaaaand.....I'm spent.


Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 11:05 AM (GQ8sn)

191 He is beyond a joke, he's a loser carrying around his 1973 High School State Football Championship trophy trying to score dates in a dive bar on Thursday. No, heÂ’s the guy hanging out with the State Football Champion trophy-holder, hoping to score the dateÂ’s friend. HeÂ’s John Henry Carpenter.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at December 10, 2013 11:05 AM (QF8uk)

192 Raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything at all in the long run except create inflation. Today: Burger flipper: $7.25 Job X: $15/hr Tomorrow, the flipper gets $15, what happens to the job that pays $15? It goes to $31. And the job that used to pay $50 goes to $100 and so on. Someone with skills to get twice the minimum wage today will still get twice the minimum wage tomorrow. Someone with the skills to get 4X min wage today, will get 4X that tomorrow. So everyone moves up the line. Which makes prices for goods and services more expensive. And in the end, the guy making $7.25 today can still afford the same amount of "stuff" making $15 an hour.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 11:05 AM (0LHZx)

193 Hey I saw the twatwaffles open for sarin gas in 79' at skit-kettle flats... 

Posted by: Barky Obama at December 10, 2013 11:06 AM (GjPnA)

194 Gotta combine The Little Engine That Could story with the Energizer Bunny commercials. Effin' hilarious.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 11:06 AM (yz6yg)

195 178 Megan just doesn't roll my rocks. Martha MacCallum all day long! Harris Faulkner gets my vote as the most-under appreciated FOX babe.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 10, 2013 11:06 AM (7ObY1)

196 And in the end, the guy making $7.25 today can still afford the same amount of "stuff" making $15 an hour.


Congrats!  You're still making minimum wage!

Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 11:06 AM (GQ8sn)

197 If they're such freakin' geniuses, why are all their signature achievements such dismal failures? Why has their War on Poverty not decreased, mush less eliminated, poverty? Why are they immediately reduced to screaming 'racist?' Why do they need political correctness to silence dissent? Just because they spend more time rationalizing their failures doesn't mean that time is spent being 'intellectual.'

Posted by: --- at December 10, 2013 11:06 AM (MMC8r)

198 Heck, trimming trees takes skill and occasionally some balls...paid $850 to have a monster elm pruned, and was happy to pay that. Had bids up to $1500!

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 11:07 AM (lokJh)

199 "So everyone moves up the line." Not necessarily. If the price of labor goes up it makes technology that was previously too expensive more affordable by comparison so those jobs are lost.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2013 11:07 AM (hFL/3)

200 OT but why is Drudge so dumb? "Coldest in 18 Years" is completely and obviously false to anyone who lives in Chicago. The linked article says "Earliest subzero temps". We hit like -2F last night, which is cold for Dec 9. But it's been colder than that, even in this calendar year! He gets so excited about other people having cold weather, or nucular stuff he also doesn't understand.

Posted by: Chris M at December 10, 2013 11:07 AM (k3w9p)

201 Sadly, the Energizer Bunny died of dehydration after someone accidentally put his battery in backwards.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at December 10, 2013 11:07 AM (QupBk)

202 141 Has anybody said "Living wage? Fine...which means they are not eligible for food stamps, section 8 housing, or any other government handout. Deal?" Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 02:55 PM (lokJh) If we could get around all this nonsense, the correct thing to do would be to eliminate all these welfare/minimum wage laws, and replace it with a minimum income law, with make-shift work of some sort for those who aren't disabled. It would be far more economically efficient than our current system of punitive reverse-taxes, and guarantee that to get more money, you have to get your butt to work.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 11:08 AM (E8IHS)

203 200 OT but why is Drudge so dumb? "Coldest in 18 Years" is completely and obviously false to anyone who lives in Chicago Drudge does that to rub it in the faces of the Global Warmening cultists.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 10, 2013 11:08 AM (7ObY1)

204 Congrats! You're still making minimum wage! Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 03:06 PM (GQ8sn) ________ Exactly. You can't artificially make someone earn more money when their skills don't dictate an increase in earnings. Wage are set at the point where marginal cost = marginal revenue. Even former Enron Adviser Paul Krugman knows that much.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 11:09 AM (0LHZx)

205

195

Anna Kooiman, weekend Fox and Friends

 

Wow'sa 

Posted by: Dash Ripp-Rock at December 10, 2013 11:09 AM (GjPnA)

206 I would take it one step further. The reason so many people are working in low wage jobs is because our economy is burdened by so many liberal policies. From the liberal take over of our school system in the 60's with the result that we have some of the dumbest, most unprepared kids coming into the workplace to crushing regulations that have been crushing our industries and either hampering wage growth or sending jobs overseas, it is liberal policies that have been harming the American worker and keeping wages low. Why do liberals hate workers? Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2013 02:44 PM (g1DWB) *nods* Honestly, this stuff is not difficult.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 10, 2013 11:09 AM (JP8hJ)

207 Wage-price spiral anyone?


Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)

208 OT but why is Drudge so dumb? "Coldest in 18 Years" is completely and obviously false to anyone who lives in Chicago. The linked article says "Earliest subzero temps". We hit like -2F last night, which is cold for Dec 9. But it's been colder than that, even in this calendar year! He gets so excited about other people having cold weather, or nucular stuff he also doesn't understand. Posted by: Chris M at December 10, 2013 03:07 PM (k3w9p) Hold on here's an InfoWars story you can read!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 11:10 AM (E8IHS)

209 Not necessarily. If the price of labor goes up it makes technology that was previously too expensive more affordable by comparison so those jobs are lost. Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2013 03:07 PM (hFL/3) ___________ The ratio stays the same even if the numbers change. Someone making 3X min. wage today will make 3X min wage no matter what the min wage is. It's a giant push. But libs simply cannot grasp this very elementary economic principle.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 11:11 AM (0LHZx)

210 It would be far more economically efficient than our current system of punitive reverse-taxes, and guarantee that to get more money, you have to get your butt to work. Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 03:08 PM (E8IHS) Working, to the Democrats, is deemed raciss...

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 11:11 AM (lokJh)

211 You're just saying this because I'm a lesbian!

Posted by: Paula Krugman at December 10, 2013 11:11 AM (+H/11)

212 Whatever happened to the comely Ms. Dhue?
-
Is she the one that went over to Beck's Blaze TV?

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2013 11:11 AM (XUKZU)

213 Still waiting for Krugman to explain how the stimulus multiplier worked out in real life. Given the "results" it achieved, compared to what was forecast, there is almost no way in hell it was above 1, i.e. it was a giant bust.

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Thats cause geniuses like Krugman NEVER account for the "negative " multipler of taking a dollar out of the economy.   His work always focus's on downstream effects of stimulus.  It NEVER examines the "cost" of removing the stimulus dollars from the economy thru taxation in the first place.

Just the act of taxation reduces the given velocity of a dollar by exactly "one".

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2013 11:11 AM (nELVU)

214 Dem Rep. Karen Bass Says Fight Against Apartheid In South Africa Similar To “Struggle” For Obamacare… Weasel Zippers: Black Democrats are just bat shit crazy and that is the nicest thing I can say about them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2013 11:12 AM (t3UFN)

215 Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2013 03:04 PM (lUXJH)

Momentum Machines makes a fully automated burger machine. And it ain't $1,000,000

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2013 11:12 AM (oJ5Fd)

216

199 -

 

Exactly.  If inflation was the only problem, it would be  more or less ok.  It's not.

 

The 60s and 70s are all you would need to look at to see this is not going to end well. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2013 11:12 AM (xCw24)

217
Paul Krugtron's FUPA is more pronounced than Lena Dunham's.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at December 10, 2013 11:12 AM (pJF+c)

218 News babes? http://tinyurl.com/qabdjy4

Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2013 11:12 AM (fWAjv)

219 "The ratio stays the same even if the numbers change. Someone making 3X min. wage today will make 3X min wage no matter what the min wage is. " That's true, I'm just saying that there is the additional fact that some of those jobs will be lost in the process to automation, so the net effect is inflation and rising unemployment. Horray?

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2013 11:13 AM (hFL/3)

220 You can't artificially make someone earn more money when their skills don't dictate an increase in earnings. Which brings us to the theory of "money." Specifically, that "money" is an abstraction of "value" and therefore only loosely coupled with "currency." That is, the value of a fry-guy doesn't change, no matter how much you pay him. So if you insist on calling that value "$10/hr" then all the other "values" in the economy (from other jobs, to light bulbs, to cars) will adjust.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 11:13 AM (nUH8H)

221 Paul Krugtron's FUPA is more pronounced than Lena Dunham's. This is a case where we do not require any evidence. Thankyouverymuch

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 11:13 AM (yz6yg)

222 This volte-face is in fact merely building on the important discovery of the "Frisco Multiplier" developed by Speaker Pelosi re: unemployment benefits.
We can also tax ourselves to prosperity.
We can perfect Human Nature through the tax code.
Yes, we can.

Posted by: Ein Biobauer mit einer ökonometrischen Hobby at December 10, 2013 11:14 AM (1/4XQ)

223 Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2013 03:12 PM (fWAjv) It's a Trap!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 11:14 AM (nUH8H)

224 He is beyond a joke, he's a loser carrying around his 1973 High School State Football Championship trophy trying to score dates in a dive bar on Thursday.

Posted by: aL at December 10, 2013 11:14 AM (XUKZU)

225 That is, the value of a fry-guy doesn't change, no matter how much you pay him. So if you insist on calling that value "$10/hr" then all the other "values" in the economy (from other jobs, to light bulbs, to cars) will adjust. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 03:13 PM (nUH8H) Or people stop selling/buying fries.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 11:14 AM (E8IHS)

226 Dem Rep. Karen Bass Says Fight Against Apartheid In South Africa Similar To “Struggle” For Obamacare… In fairness, it is going to get a of people killed, so there is that similarity.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at December 10, 2013 11:15 AM (QupBk)

227 Black Democrats are just bat shit crazy and that is the nicest thing I can say about them The only appropriate - and rational - response to anything coming out of the CBC is to point and laugh.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 11:15 AM (yz6yg)

228
For every dollar paid out in food stamps or welfare, over six dollars in economic activity is returned.  That's a fact and you can take it to the bank.  I specialize in economic analysis, and am more precise than Paul Krugman.

Posted by: Nancy Pelost at December 10, 2013 11:15 AM (pJF+c)

229
Meatball Central


*snort*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 10, 2013 11:15 AM (TIIx5)

230 He is beyond a joke, he's a loser carrying around his 1973 High School State Football Championship trophy trying to score dates in a dive bar on Thursday.
-
I scored four touchdowns in a single game.

Posted by: Al Bundy at December 10, 2013 11:15 AM (XUKZU)

231 That's true, I'm just saying that there is the additional fact that some of those jobs will be lost in the process to automation, so the net effect is inflation and rising unemployment. Horray? Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2013 03:13 PM (hFL/3) ____________ In the short run, yes. In the long run, not so much. Because in the long run $15 will equal what $7 used to equal. So someone making the machine/human decision in the future will have the same decision to make as today. When I say long run, it could mean 10 years for this type of thing to fully work its way out. And yeah, during that 10 year transition, all sorts of labor market displacement will occur.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 11:15 AM (0LHZx)

232 Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2013 03:12 PM (fWAjv)

Oh my!

Posted by: George Takei at December 10, 2013 11:15 AM (L8r/r)

233 That is, the value of a fry-guy doesn't change, no matter how much you pay him. So if you insist on calling that value "$10/hr" then all the other "values" in the economy (from other jobs, to light bulbs, to cars) will adjust. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 03:13 PM (nUH8H) No kidding...it takes what, ten seconds to learn how to put pre-cut potatoes in hot oil for a predetermined amount of time?

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 11:15 AM (lokJh)

234 Despotism is ultimately about yielding to a philosophical viewpoint over all else. It ignores facts, experience and  highly predictable outcomes under the name of adherence buttressed by unachievable utopian ideals. It proliferates through the most dastardly means including lies, misdirection, misinformation, propaganda, authoritarianism, subjugation and force of violence. Sound familiar?

The good news is that this type of philosophical despotism is not sustainable or existential. It will eventually collapse under the obvious, disastrous lack of achievement and the tremendous pain it produces. No population stays ignorant or subjugated forever. That is proven by history and it is not about to change. Ultimately, it will finally consume and demolish the liberal- progressive philosophy under the weight of its own self-evident fallacy.

Posted by: Marcus at December 10, 2013 11:15 AM (GGCsk)

235 Or people stop selling/buying fries. Or people find some way around the minimum wage law (say... by bailing out of franchises and making every worker a "partner" in the business).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 11:16 AM (nUH8H)

236 I have earned ten bucks an hour, doing hard, kinda skilled, work pouring and finishing concrete. If I could've made the same flipping burgers, I might've considered it, especially in either July or January when every indoors job looked like Heaven.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 10, 2013 11:16 AM (ZshNr)

237 From michellemalkin.com:

Greenpeace UK is soliciting donations to combat global warming with a video entitled “An Urgent Message From Santa.”

The video features a deeply depressed, creepy-looking Santa who claims that “melting ice” at the North Pole will force him to “cancel Christmas” unless world leaders act to stop global warming.


Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 10, 2013 11:16 AM (9eDbm)

238 Meeneemum wage?  We don't neeeed no steenkin' meeneemum wage. 

Posted by: Messicans Flippin' Burgers Americans Won't at December 10, 2013 11:17 AM (xCw24)

239 One thing I have noticed over the years is that the blowhards beating on their concave chests (both sexes) about their erudition and brilliance invariably possess neither.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at December 10, 2013 11:17 AM (3oDvn)

240 That is, the value of a fry-guy doesn't change, no matter how much you pay him. So if you insist on calling that value "$10/hr" then all the other "values" in the economy (from other jobs, to light bulbs, to cars) will adjust. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 03:13 PM (nUH8H) ___________ Yep. Which is why economists almost never talk in terms of money, but instead use fun stuff like units of utility. Using your example the burger flipper produced X units of utility. You can call that X units $10 or $100, it's still X units of utility.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 11:17 AM (0LHZx)

241 "This volte-face is in fact merely building on the important discovery of the "Frisco Multiplier" developed by Speaker Pelosi re: unemployment benefits."



If that 'multiplier' actually existed, why wouldn't some capitalist simply give money away to the unemployed and then buy up all the businesses where they spend that money? Boom, instant what was is $1.80 for every dollar they gave away? You'd be insane not to do it.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 10, 2013 11:17 AM (2tjte)

242 We all saw how well the wonks and experts did on the 404Care website. We should never again question their authoritay.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2013 11:17 AM (XUKZU)

243 For every dollar paid out in food stamps or welfare, over six dollars in economic activity is returned. That's a fact and you can take it to the bank. I specialize in economic analysis, and am more precise than Paul Krugman.

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And if you had left the dollar in the economy instead of confiscating it, it would have produced seven dollars of economic activity.


Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2013 11:18 AM (nELVU)

244 For every dollar paid out in food stamps or welfare, over six dollars in economic activity is returned. That's a fact and you can take it to the bank. I specialize in economic analysis, and am more precise than Paul Krugman. Posted by: Nancy Pelost at December 10, 2013 03:15 PM (pJF+c) I really enjoyed how she claimed that "500 million jobs" were to be lost for something or other in some interview. And that the interviewer never attempted to remind her that the entire population of the country was around 312 million. What an ignorant scrunt.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 11:18 AM (lokJh)

245 Or people find some way around the minimum wage law (say... by bailing out of franchises and making every worker a "partner" in the business). Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) STILL Home at December 10, 2013 03:16 PM (nUH8H) Or Black Market Assault Fries.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 11:18 AM (E8IHS)

246 We also need to destroy the Licensing Raj that constantly grows like weeds and does nothing useful, just gums up the economy and protects the licensed class.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 10, 2013 11:18 AM (ZPrif)

247
When in doubt, I always consult my Ben Wa Balls!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at December 10, 2013 11:20 AM (pJF+c)

248 Um, I need to hit the men's room for a while... Just don't do it in women's room in a Wal Mart in front of mirror. Ewwwwww.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2013 11:20 AM (BC6cY)

249 The real reason Dems want higher min.wage is because union contracts are a function of min. wage. For example govt worker X makes $12/hr + minimum wage. Today that's $19.25. Raise the minimum wage by $5 an hour, and presto the union goon gets that $5/hr increase as well, without having to actually negotiate for it. And of that $5 extra, $0.50 goes to the DNC.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 11:20 AM (0LHZx)

250 One supposes that a Federal Minimum Wage is merely the thin edge of the Guaranteed Annual Income wedge.
I won't qualify, of course, b/c I earn my own money.

Posted by: Ein Biobauer mit einer ökonometrischen Hobby at December 10, 2013 11:20 AM (1/4XQ)

251 If I could've made the same flipping burgers, I might've considered it, especially in either July or January when every indoors job looked like Heaven.

I was a fry cook before SpongeBob made it cool.  It gets really fucking hot over a grill in July.

I would return to school ready to learn, I tell you what.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 10, 2013 11:20 AM (ZKzrr)

252

So, here's a question.  And it's completely random and really doesn't contribute to the conversation at all, but whatev's.

 

Why the heck are they called "wonks?"   I have never, ever understood that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 10, 2013 11:20 AM (4df7R)

253 Liberals do not understand economics. It involves money and you can prove your assumption or theories with how they affect money. It's not total BS like Sociology. Let's remember Supply=Demand. It's not tough, unless you don't understand what those terms mean. Most liberals don't.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 10, 2013 11:20 AM (0FSuD)

254 OT but why is Drudge so dumb? "Coldest in 18 Years" is completely and obviously false to anyone who lives in Chicago. The linked article says "Earliest subzero temps". We hit like -2F last night, which is cold for Dec 9. But it's been colder than that, even in this calendar year! He gets so excited about other people having cold weather, or nucular stuff he also doesn't understand.

Posted by: Chris M at December 10, 2013 03:07 PM (k3w9p)

 

 

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Here in OK we normally don't see this type of cold until the very last of Dec or into January.  Except for two years I remember well.  '87 and '88.   First or second week of  Dec. in '87 it went from 70 degrees to 10 degrees in about 3 hours.  '88  is when we had temps this time of the year of -10  to -5 for lows and hovering around 0 for highs.  Went on for about a week.

 

Posted by: Soona at December 10, 2013 11:20 AM (Tx68O)

255  I have earned ten bucks an hour, doing hard, kinda skilled, work pouring and finishing concrete. If I could've made the same flipping burgers, I might've considered it, especially in either July or January when every indoors job looked like Heaven.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 10, 2013 03:16 PM (ZshNr)

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I used to insulate and drywall ceilings in industrial buildings for considerably less than $15 an hour (in 1985 and '86).  If Burger flipping could have paid me a commensurate wage I know where I would have been.  Drywall work was tedious, hot, and back breaking.  Insulation work sucked even more because of the oversuit and mask you had to wear.  I know what I drank back then.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 10, 2013 11:20 AM (jucos)

256 Or Black Market Assault Fries.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 03:18 PM (E8IHS)

 

 

Semi-saltamatic.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 10, 2013 11:21 AM (4df7R)

257 Why the heck are they called "wonks?" I have never, ever understood that. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 10, 2013 03:20 PM (4df7R) wonk (n.) "overly studious person," 1954, American English student slang, popularized 1993 during Clinton administration in U.S.; perhaps a shortening of British slang wonky "shaky, unreliable." Or perhaps a variant of British slang wanker "masturbator." It was earlier British naval slang for "midshipman" (1929).

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 10, 2013 11:21 AM (yz6yg)

258 Why the heck are they called "wonks?" I have never, ever understood that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 10, 2013 03:20 PM (4df7R)


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Because "wank" is a bit over the top . . . .

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2013 11:21 AM (nELVU)

259 @247 This!
Credentials for everything....

Posted by: Ein Biobauer mit einer ökonometrischen Hobby at December 10, 2013 11:22 AM (1/4XQ)

260

253 -

 

I could be wrong, but  I always assumed it meant the people who are wonks, walk around talking like Charlie Brown's teacher, so you don't actually hear words coming out of their mouths, just a lot of  "wonk wonk wonk" talk. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2013 11:22 AM (xCw24)

261 Good point. McDonald's looked good in January, Banana Republic stocker in the over AC'd Mall looked good in July.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 10, 2013 11:22 AM (ZshNr)

262 OT


I'm doing my year-end performance stuff.   What should I put down?


The best response will be entered into my performance plan!


Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 11:22 AM (GQ8sn)

263 251 One supposes that a Federal Minimum Wage is merely the thin edge of the Guaranteed Annual Income wedge. I won't qualify, of course, b/c I earn my own money. Posted by: Ein Biobauer mit einer ökonometrischen Hobby at December 10, 2013 03:20 PM (1/4XQ) GAI would be 1000x better than what we have now, and we could honestly debate about how much free shit the FSA really deserves, instead of hiding it in a million layers of giveaways and freebies For The Children.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 11:22 AM (E8IHS)

264 $15 in 1985 was worth about $34 today. Not bad.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 11:22 AM (0LHZx)

265 By the way, this type of economic argumentation only seems plausible because it ignores facts. Inconvenient facts like the number of people out of the workforce (a record).

Oddly, people like Krugman don't like to count those people or consider the U6 in any conclusive way. That is an integral part of any unemployment or minimum wage discussion and discarded in their quest to make the pieces fits a liberal- progressive puzzle.

Meanwhile, people suffer at their hands and no help is in sight.

Posted by: Marcus at December 10, 2013 11:22 AM (GGCsk)

266 Ace!

It is time for you to do your profound thing and write a great piece on cascade preference as only you can explain it.

I'm serious Man.

We need a plurality something fierce, but event more important, folks got to understand what it is, understand they are not alone.

This fucking statist divide and conquer bullshit is getting really old.

If we is going to win against the motherfuckers we got to create a crisis of legitimacy they can never recover from. I'm talking grass roots preference. A plurality Man. The catastrophy of cascade preference. That is the root of winning. It is the moral high ground, it is culture upstream of politics Brother. People got to know they are not alone.
It only takes a plurality to win!

Posted by: Mt Top Patriot at December 10, 2013 11:23 AM (mEMHM)

267 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2013 03:21 PM (yz6yg) Puffter gap.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at December 10, 2013 11:23 AM (E8IHS)

268 nood up.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 10, 2013 11:23 AM (7ObY1)

269 I know what I drank back then. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 10, 2013 03:20 PM (jucos) What, or how much?

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 11:23 AM (lokJh)

270 Credentials for everything.... Posted by: Ein Biobauer mit einer ökonometrischen Hobby at December 10, 2013 03:22 PM (1/4XQ) _________ That's in the private market as well. Six Sigma....the biggest load of bullshit ever invented by man. And it has nothing to do with the govt.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 11:24 AM (0LHZx)

271 Or even better....the PMP designation. If I see a PMP on someone's resume I run away as fast as I can.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2013 11:24 AM (0LHZx)

272 Why the heck are they called "wonks?" I have never, ever understood that. It's a guy that likes anal.

Posted by: Wonkette at December 10, 2013 11:24 AM (0FSuD)

273 wonk (n.)
"overly studious person," 1954, American English student slang, popularized 1993 during Clinton administration in U.S.; perhaps a shortening of British slang wonky "shaky, unreliable." Or perhaps a variant of British slang wanker "masturbator." It was earlier British naval slang for "midshipman" (1929).

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2013 03:21 PM (yz6yg)

 

 

"Wonky" is British slang?   I thought that was just a word.

 

And none of those definitions seem to make any sense when applied to the understood meaning of "wonk," do they?

 

Maybe it's    from   Wonka?   Like "Willy Wonka, the master chocolatier?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 10, 2013 11:24 AM (4df7R)

274 In 1980  I made 8.25 hr shoveling asphalt on a road in 100 degree heat .   I spent it all on booze and women and wasted the rest of it.    The year before I made 4.25 working at Lowes.   Same amount of booze.  Less women. 

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2013 11:25 AM (m2CN7)

275 Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 03:22 PM (GQ8sn) Those lame-ass performance benchmarks? I totes rocked that shizzle, for real.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 11:25 AM (lokJh)

276 Those lame-ass performance benchmarks? I totes rocked that shizzle, for real.


Yep.  The usual bullshit "values" and "behaviours" like "customer focused" or "developing people".


I gotta fill up a whole page with crap like that.

Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 11:26 AM (GQ8sn)

277 I may be starting to lose my grip on reality.  All the lefties I see on tv just seem like wacky cartoon characters.

Posted by: irright at December 10, 2013 11:27 AM (8GKDa)

278 Wonk, wanker- whatever?

They called Paul Ryan a "wonk" for years. Looking at his latest budget "deal" now I know why. He must have been shiffing some liberal-progressive snooch.

Posted by: Marcus at December 10, 2013 11:27 AM (GGCsk)

279 The minimum wage rhetoric is simply part of a never ending steam of agitprop beamed from the white house into the softheads of the beltway media and hyper-politicized academics; retransmitted by the softheads with hopes one of the things will gain traction within the general population of democratic party moderates and independents.

green energy
anti-coal
fracking
civil rights
immigration
debt
class warfare

Failing that, flood the box, keep the stream flowing on red alert status 24/7. Everyone becomes exhausted.

Posted by: 13times at December 10, 2013 11:27 AM (fGPLK)

280 Go on...
Posted by: Mega

Meet me in the walk-in freezer.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 10, 2013 11:28 AM (ZKzrr)

281
Or Black Market Assault Fries.
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I think the cops would overlook black market fries. After all, it's just small potatoes.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2013 11:29 AM (XUKZU)

282 Ace is hitting on something good here, with the McGuffin and further examples like this post.

Question:  What is the political difference between airbrushing comrades from of history, and airbrushing inconvenient comments and lanuage from history?

Oceania (the hero) has always been at war with whatever and whenever the script requires.

Posted by: Chants at December 10, 2013 11:31 AM (B3HcL)

283 Posted by: EC at December 10, 2013 03:26 PM (GQ8sn) Oh, you have to use bullshit, overused words like 'synergy' and 'Deoxyribonucleic acid', as in "In a moment of delirious synergy with the secratary, I left a puddle of Deoxyribonucleic acid smeared all over the CEO's desk".

Posted by: model_1066 at December 10, 2013 11:33 AM (lokJh)

284 Wonks? You mean like Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, the Morning Joe Crew, Al Sharpton, and the like?

Posted by: ejo at December 10, 2013 11:33 AM (GXvSO)

285 This is a great post.

Posted by: bour3 at December 10, 2013 11:33 AM (5x3+2)

286 285 airbrushing inconvenient comments and lanuage from history?


The guy at Protein Wisdom hits that a lot.

Posted by: 13times at December 10, 2013 11:35 AM (fGPLK)

287

I would return to school ready to learn, I tell you what.

 

No shit.  My first 'tax' paying was a McD for 1.85 an hour.  Mom would make me take my uniform off in the garage 'cause she could never get the grease smell out of the rust colored polyester.

Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2013 11:35 AM (6bvBO)

288 Well, if Krugman is right about the universal benefit of the $15/hr minimum wage, there's nothing to keep New York City from implementing it on its own.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at December 10, 2013 11:40 AM (lILC0)

289 This wonkgap bullshit is so laughable, it just hurts that GOP lets the Donks get away with this stuff.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at December 10, 2013 11:48 AM (QxSug)

290 ah yes, we donks are so rational, so excuse us while we embrace failed economic religions and worship crystals.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at December 10, 2013 11:48 AM (QxSug)

291 I had a hunch that Krugman started throwing his cats at people when he declared that no debt or deficit is too high because the government could always print more money and pay back in inflated dollars

That would work except for one little problem. New debts would have to be taken on since no one in the government, certainly not socialists like Krugman, ever stop spending more of other peoples money than they take in


Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2013 11:49 AM (aTXUx)

292 I'll stipulate that the Leftists have a big numerical advantage in wonks

But the Right has a big advantage in people who actually do things and know that in the real world the wonks obviously have never actually done anything but yack about how smart they are


Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2013 11:51 AM (aTXUx)

293 Under a modern liberal's definition of "access" that means the aspiring jihadi couldn't even charge.


Posted by: West at December 10, 2013 11:52 AM (6E2GS)

294 When your coblog DrewM denounces even tax credits for families as nefarious govt favoritism, yeah I'd say there is a gap with segments of the right that don't want to think about govt policy at all. It may mostly apply to aggrieved ultra libertarians though.

Posted by: blue.dot at December 10, 2013 11:53 AM (mAFJ3)

295 If you want to find people of thoroughly middling intellect, look for the ones who spend the most time congratulating themselves on how smart they are. Such people, in my experience, tend to spend much time amassing designer degrees from flashy schools and polishing their impressive resumes, while engaging in comparatively little serious thought. If you hear someone talking about his IQ, for example, it's a good bet that he falls into this category. The genuinely top-tier smart people are too busy doing actual things to waste time worrying about something so meaningless as how smart they are. They also tend to display the humility that comes from a mature recognition of the tiny limits of one's true knowledge.

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at December 10, 2013 12:34 PM (Z0/+C)

296 Meatball Central?

Posted by: BornLib at December 10, 2013 12:35 PM (zpNwC)

297 They argue mostly through evidence-based reasoning Except they can't do math. This is the same brain trust that can't figure out why doubling the minimum wage to $15/hour is inherently inflationary. They also don't see the Fed pumping out $85 billion/month as inflationary, either. They also told us that Obamacare would bend the cost curves down.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at December 10, 2013 12:38 PM (1hM1d)

298 Paul Krugman is exhibit A of this tendency on the left. He knows better, he's a good economist when he's just focused on that and not writing his trash columns. He's won prizes and is used as a reliable source in textbooks.
But when it comes to his official punditry, he throws it all out the window and knows he's lying and making stupid crap up while he does it. For the cause.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2013 12:45 PM (zfY+H)

299 A wonk is just a zealot in a good suit.

Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at December 10, 2013 12:45 PM (gKGI0)

300 298 When your coblog DrewM denounces even tax credits for families as nefarious govt favoritism Well, it is nefarious. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, which is pretty much all the progressives have. Allowing the government to conduct social engineering leads to all sorts of unintended consequences. And it gives the enforcement agent all sorts of powers to game things for favored sectors, and against unfavored sectors. Should the government - federal, state, or local - be picking life's winners and losers?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at December 10, 2013 12:46 PM (1hM1d)

301 Eliminate all tax breaks, write offs, and deductions, and lower the tax rate.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2013 02:11 PM (zfY+H)

302 Can anyone tell me whether Krugman continues to do any academic research and peer reviewed publication in the field of economics, especially his area of specialization: international trade economics and currency exchange systems?

Posted by: Esau's Message at December 12, 2013 12:06 PM (WZq72)

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