November 26, 2013
— Ace Another thing @benk84 had in the news dump (but sometimes BenK has everything in the news dump), but also worth highlighting.
You will not be surprised to hear that Healthcare.gov will not be fixed by December 1.
You will also not be surprised to hear that the Administration is, get this, spinning failure as success.
CMS spokeswoman Julie Bataille said errors that persist past this weekend would be "intermittent" and, in line with a promise made by the White House, would not affect the vast majority of the site's users.But Bataille acknowledged that some people would still experience "periods of suboptimal performance" by the system due to either heavy traffic or technical issues that are still being addressed.
"The system will not work perfectly on Dec. 1, but it will work much better than it did in October," Bataille said.
The comments came after the White House said the repair effort is "on track" to meet the Saturday deadline thanks to steady technical improvements.
Spokesman Josh Earnest said the site remains a "work in progress" but touted metrics showing that its error rate and page load times are now far below where they started.
The Administration's spin here is exactly the same as its spin on the economy -- hey, it's awful, but we've made tiny little Green Shoots improvements! It's "poised" to be fixed!
Obama has succeeded, mostly, in changing the bar for success, for his incompetent presidency only, from "actual success" to "tryin' real hard."
And Obama's is tryin' real hard-- to hide the system's inadequacy from the public. He's now putting out the word that people shouldn't come to the system all in a rush (which would overwhelm what little capacity it has) but should come slowly, over a period of days or weeks.
And he's putting out that word quietly, just to his allies, so that they can get the message out to potential users, so that his Administration itself doesn't have to make a public statement that the system will break down if it has more than 17 users logging in at a time (or whatever).
In other words, he's, get this, not being honest and candid with the public about his Administration's performance.
The Obama administration is quietly asking health care advocacy groups not to send a flood of consumers to HealthCare.gov next week, pushing instead for a more phased approach that won't overwhelm the website that the administration has pledged would be fully functional by Dec. 1.The message is being communicated in private meetings, including one held Monday, a senior administration official told TPM. Groups like Enroll America and Planned Parenthood, which are among the leading organizations that are helping people sign up for coverage under Obamacare, are some of those to be targeted.
"We want to make sure that those who are reaching consumers at scale know that this isn't like you flip the switch and everyone can come back on the first day," the official said.
The plan would serve two purposes. First, it would lighten the load on HealthCare.gov next week, the first after the administration's self-imposed Dec. 1 deadline to get it fully functioning. Limiting the number of people who are coming to the site should help prevent any embarrassing outages. And second, preventing outages would ensure that people who are returning to the site after being frustrated by its early problems will have a better experience.
The plan serves a third purpose: Sparing the Administration from having to tell the American people the truth, and hiding yet another failure from public view.
I guess the leftist propaganda outfit Talking Points Memo forgot to mention that one.
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Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at November 26, 2013 09:09 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Channeling The Searchlight Strangler[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 26, 2013 09:12 AM (F3G1y)
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 26, 2013 09:12 AM (MuvlC)
Posted by: Baldy at November 26, 2013 09:12 AM (2bql3)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 26, 2013 09:12 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Flyguy at November 26, 2013 09:13 AM (2NG6u)
Posted by: maddogg at November 26, 2013 09:13 AM (xWW96)
The Administration will be installing a number ticket dispenser next to the Washington Monument. You will not be permitted to apply online without a number.
Posted by: The Obama Regime at November 26, 2013 09:13 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 26, 2013 09:14 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at November 26, 2013 09:14 AM (PMGbu)
...are we really surprised with the re-marketing and re-branding of failure?
Posted by: Athos at November 26, 2013 09:14 AM (bYPqR)
Posted by: cajun caret at November 26, 2013 09:14 AM (UZQM8)
it's like they think they are toddlers , but toddlers in control of a 1/6 of the economy.
yeah.
Posted by: willow at November 26, 2013 09:14 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2013 09:15 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: George Orwell at November 26, 2013 09:15 AM (Vv4Go)
Posted by: Retread at November 26, 2013 09:15 AM (MVGKx)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 26, 2013 09:15 AM (VtjlW)
The thing I don't understand is why anyone would even think about visiting the healthcare dot gov website.
Your personal data is required before the site will give you information about the plans. It has already been proved that any data give to the site is available to hackers.
Notice they are not saying that the security holes have been patched, they are merely making it easier for you to input your personal data without a system crash.
Posted by: whyme at November 26, 2013 09:15 AM (l9mF2)
So we've got a government just like our public schools--seat time regardless of performance equals success! Or you'll hurt the Narcissist-in-Chief's self-esteem!
My late grandmother would describe someone with a room-temperature IQ as "not overly bright." Sounds a lot like "sub-optimal performance" of the intellect.
Posted by: Steve the Pirate's Wife at November 26, 2013 09:16 AM (MS21K)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 26, 2013 09:16 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: maddogg at November 26, 2013 09:16 AM (xWW96)
That's excellent, Barry. Here's your trophy. Do you want some Sunny D?
Posted by: Soccer coaches for seven year olds at November 26, 2013 09:16 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 26, 2013 09:16 AM (vHRtU)
that's why we make it Bigger. makes sense
Posted by: willow at November 26, 2013 09:16 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: wooga at November 26, 2013 09:16 AM (TaITa)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 26, 2013 09:17 AM (MBzEc)
Posted by: Barry Soetoro at November 26, 2013 09:17 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: maddogg at November 26, 2013 09:18 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Andy Dufresne at November 26, 2013 09:18 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: willow at November 26, 2013 09:18 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 26, 2013 09:19 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:19 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at November 26, 2013 09:19 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 26, 2013 09:19 AM (MBzEc)
Posted by: The Fuse on the Employer Mandate Bomb at November 26, 2013 09:20 AM (8ZskC)
Again.
By the way, I do not yet see you fetching a beer and sammich.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2013 09:20 AM (SY2Kh)
*raises hand I would like some Sunny D*
It has Val U Rite in it, yes?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 26, 2013 01:19 PM (VtjlW)
The Val-U-Rite has some Sunny D in it, yes.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:20 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Baldy at November 26, 2013 01:12 PM (2bql3)
Many summers of recovery !
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 26, 2013 09:20 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 26, 2013 09:21 AM (787tI)
He's doing what he knows, which is not much. Lying is his main tool. Lying and division. His main two tools are lying, division, .....and a contemptuous disregard for those who don't pay him homage. His three tools include lying, division, a contemptuous disregard for those who don't pay him homage....and an almost fanatical devotion to his golf game. Among his tools are such elements as......
Posted by: pep at November 26, 2013 09:21 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2013 09:21 AM (6h2wp)
Posted by: The Titanic at November 26, 2013 09:22 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 26, 2013 09:22 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 09:22 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2013 09:23 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:23 AM (cb/Vq)
The question should be is this a reasonable activity for a government to be involved in at all?
Should the federal government be involved in 'signing up' customers to buy girl scout cookies?
Should the federal government run a website where customers would go to get on a list to buy an automobile?
Should the federal government run a website where citizens have to sign up to get permission to buy food, or to grow their own?
Posted by: Well ok then! at November 26, 2013 09:23 AM (ZRftZ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 26, 2013 09:23 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Baldy at November 26, 2013 01:12 PM (2bql3)
Many summers of recovery !
We have the Francisco Franco of national economies.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2013 09:24 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2013 09:24 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: boned to the bone at November 26, 2013 09:24 AM (Ph479)
Posted by: maddogg at November 26, 2013 09:24 AM (xWW96)
Mine would have said, "Bless their heart". Posted by: rickb223
My very-much-alive Dad would say "Obama is an idiot and a jackass who's only president because he's black".
My Dad is not big on diplomacy.
Posted by: pep at November 26, 2013 09:24 AM (6TB1Z)
Someone brilliant made a great point last week about not focusing TOO much on the website. Although it's certainly the most visible problem and we need to hammer on it, eventually the website WILL function adequately and at that exact moment, Journolist 5.0 will rush in and say that anyone who claimed the website wasn't ever going to work was a crazypants conspiracy theorist and they all told us so.
Obama and his lackeys wish the technical issues with Healthcare.gov were the only problems with Obammycare.
Millions of policies cancelled for not meeting the ACAÂ’s minimum requirements, with tens of millions more cancellations in store when the employer mandate takes effect? Not the websiteÂ’s fault.
Premiums and deductibles skyrocketing? Not the websiteÂ’s fault.
Insurance coverage networks shrinking? Not the websiteÂ’s fault.
Doctors leaving the field rather than be bankrupted by low reimbursements and stifling bureaucracy? Not the websiteÂ’s fault.
Billions in taxpayer-funded bailouts (oh, sorry, I meant “risk corridors”) for insurance companies pre-baked into the law? Not the website’s fault.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:24 AM (4df7R)
As with everything this Marxist touches, the Healthcare.gov site is a SCOAMF.
Posted by: grognard at November 26, 2013 09:24 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 09:25 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 26, 2013 09:25 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: Chauncey Gardener at November 26, 2013 09:25 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 26, 2013 09:25 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Da Cubs at November 26, 2013 09:25 AM (MBzEc)
Posted by: Retread at November 26, 2013 09:26 AM (MVGKx)
Posted by: --- at November 26, 2013 09:26 AM (MMC8r)
Not completely true. The guy who warned them that it was a disaster lost his job.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2013 09:26 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: President Barack Obama at November 26, 2013 09:27 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: RWC at November 26, 2013 09:27 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Recovering Businessperson [/i] at November 26, 2013 09:27 AM (1H61p)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:27 AM (cb/Vq)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2013 01:24 PM (SY2Kh)
Objection! The commenter cites facts not in evidence. "President Participation Trophy" implies that Obammy actually participates in the running of his administration, despite the Preezy's own frequent admissions to the contrary (e.g., "I learend about that when I read it in the paper, like the rest of you.")
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:27 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: --- at November 26, 2013 09:28 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Baldy at November 26, 2013 01:12 PM (2bql3)
Yes, after the Fall of LIV expectations.
Posted by: Rob Ford at November 26, 2013 09:28 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 26, 2013 01:25 PM (RZ8pf)
Prosperity Montage, I believe. And I believe retail sales are going to *crater* for most of the country, except the blue areas, where the very prosperous blue-blooded socialists will be able to spend ever increasing amounts of our money on shit for themselves.
That *might* just make retail sales even out.
Posted by: grognard at November 26, 2013 09:28 AM (/29Nl)
Ah, the period of suboptimal metabolism.
Posted by: pep at November 26, 2013 09:28 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at November 26, 2013 09:28 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 09:28 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 26, 2013 09:29 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 26, 2013 09:29 AM (aDwsi)
Now is the winter of our suboptimal performance
Made glorious summer by this son of Indonesia;
And all the clouds that low'r'd upon our lives
In the deep bosom of page 37 of the lifestyle section buried.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 26, 2013 09:29 AM (pj6Nr)
So, has anybody specifically been fired for this disaster? No, of course not.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2013 01:26 PM (SY2Kh)
So did that one navigator who told Sean Hannity that no one really liked the system very much.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:29 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 26, 2013 09:29 AM (pj6Nr)
Apoptosis. Yeah, it means the same thing, I just like saying apoptosis.
Posted by: pep at November 26, 2013 09:29 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: maddogg at November 26, 2013 09:30 AM (xWW96)
The question should be is this a reasonable activity for a government to be involved in at all?
Should the federal government be involved in 'signing up' customers to buy girl scout cookies?
Should the federal government run a website where customers would go to get on a list to buy an automobile?
Should the federal government run a website where citizens have to sign up to get permission to buy food, or to grow their own?
Posted by: Well ok then! at November 26, 2013 01:23 PM (ZRftZ)
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Patience, citizen. Patience.
Posted by: Soona at November 26, 2013 09:30 AM (FtgP2)
Posted by: MJ at November 26, 2013 09:30 AM (PRPp1)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 26, 2013 09:30 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: flounder at November 26, 2013 09:30 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 26, 2013 01:29 PM (aDwsi)
I know! They are so colossally stupid that they are telegraphing weakness to, oh, I don't know, probably the biggest anarchist hacktivist group out there.
What's the over/under on a foreign DDOS on Dec 1?
Posted by: grognard at November 26, 2013 09:30 AM (/29Nl)
Now open as Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains and BARRELS
Posted by: pep at November 26, 2013 09:30 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 09:30 AM (v9cuy)
Posted by: Cleveland Browns secondary at November 26, 2013 09:31 AM (MBzEc)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 09:31 AM (cUARf)
Bill Bruford kicked ass on drums as always. Posted by: BlueStateRebel
Did Crimson play "21st Century Schizoid Man"?
Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2013 09:31 AM (6h2wp)
So, more irritating bit of Orwellian Newspeak:
"Kinetic military action" or "Suboptimal Performance?"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 26, 2013 09:31 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Captain Edward Smith at November 26, 2013 09:31 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 26, 2013 09:31 AM (aDwsi)
If they're saying many more people can get onto the website soon, they aren't saying much about the security concerns that various members of the community have expressed, which I suspect means that the opportunities for identity theft are, in fact, on the upswing.
Posted by: davem at November 26, 2013 09:32 AM (wmzCM)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:32 AM (cb/Vq)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 26, 2013 09:32 AM (sByIH)
PRO TIP: Stay well back from the hole.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2013 09:33 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 26, 2013 09:33 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 01:32 PM (cb/Vq)
You should be able to as of now. Who knows what tomorrow may bring?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at November 26, 2013 09:33 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Soona at November 26, 2013 09:34 AM (FtgP2)
**
Don't worry Bob, You grow accustomed to the smell after awhile.
Posted by: dananjcon at November 26, 2013 09:34 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 09:34 AM (v9cuy)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 26, 2013 09:35 AM (sByIH)
So if I get this strategy right, it should crash right around Dec. 7th. Pearl Harbor Day.
Perfect.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 26, 2013 09:35 AM (iGPSR)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 09:35 AM (cUARf)
Become very, very good friends with your veterinarian would be my advice.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 01:34 PM (v9cuy)
I'd ask my cats for an introduction, but they hate me more than Obama does.
Posted by: flounder at November 26, 2013 09:35 AM (Kkt/i)
You want a tonsillectomy with that shampoo?
Posted by: Your Barber at November 26, 2013 09:35 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 09:35 AM (v9cuy)
Posted by: Soona at November 26, 2013 01:34 PM (FtgP2)
**
You had me at "Me.."
Posted by: dananjcon at November 26, 2013 09:36 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 26, 2013 09:36 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: cajun caret at November 26, 2013 01:14 PM (UZQM
Gotta spread the wealth around, bitches!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 26, 2013 09:36 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Moochelle's big ass at November 26, 2013 09:36 AM (MBzEc)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 26, 2013 09:36 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 01:32 PM (cb/Vq)
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It'll be okay as long as you say the magic word: Apoptosis.
Posted by: Soona at November 26, 2013 09:36 AM (FtgP2)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 26, 2013 09:36 AM (sByIH)
there is a 4th benefit to not having Enroll America and Planned Parenthood flood healthcare.gov in early Dec.
Obama is trying to manipulate who is in the Obamacare pool.
Planned Parenthood and Enroll America tend to cater to low income people who will not actually be paying into the market, but instead will be getting subsidies and raising prices on the people who are actually paying the bills.
The White House is hoping that putting signing up the free loaders in phases will delay sticker shock for the 2.7million young, healthy, independent people who now have to get Obamacare because their old plans are canceled.
Posted by: Spaceracer423 at November 26, 2013 09:36 AM (66jHJ)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:37 AM (cb/Vq)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 26, 2013 09:37 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 26, 2013 09:37 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 26, 2013 09:37 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Kreplach at November 26, 2013 09:37 AM (04cac)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 26, 2013 09:37 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: Mooch at November 26, 2013 09:37 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: HindenbergCo at November 26, 2013 09:38 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Muad'dib at November 26, 2013 09:38 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: Recovering Businessperson [/i] at November 26, 2013 09:38 AM (1H61p)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 26, 2013 09:38 AM (nTgAI)
Let's think about this. The line waiting starts with the website, and according to Julie, this is a good thing.
Posted by: no good deed at November 26, 2013 09:38 AM (HsJeN)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 09:38 AM (v9cuy)
That's the final rub Cajun. The website does nothing for the sticker shock.
But the acupuncturists are gonna eventually make a mint!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 26, 2013 09:38 AM (iGPSR)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 01:35 PM (v9cuy)
______________________
Vets jobs are harder. An animal cannot tell you what is wrong.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 26, 2013 09:39 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 26, 2013 09:39 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 09:39 AM (cUARf)
My experience is that Drs. have fee 'schedules' that they must abide by in a written contract they sign with insurance companies. They're 'allowed' to treat uninsured/self-insured patients, but you'll pay a higher fee.
For example; for some procedure like a 'well check' the Dr. might charge $75.00 to the insurance company but you'll be billed $125.00 cash.
Posted by: Recovering Businessperson at November 26, 2013 01:38 PM (1H61p)
I have actually been charged less for cash services
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 26, 2013 09:39 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 09:39 AM (v9cuy)
Posted by: RWC at November 26, 2013 09:40 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 26, 2013 09:40 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 26, 2013 09:40 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 26, 2013 09:40 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: bonhomme at November 26, 2013 01:36 PM (sByIH)
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You forgot your Wasserman-Schultz sock
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 26, 2013 09:40 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 09:40 AM (v9cuy)
Posted by: Recovering Businessperson at November 26, 2013 01:38 PM (1H61p)<
The doc I am related to charges 30% less for cash up front payments than for insurance transactions.
Posted by: Muad'dib at November 26, 2013 09:40 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 26, 2013 09:41 AM (Xlbr8)
I don't know about you, but I always knew I was having a good time when I took the kids to Disney World and we got to queue up for an hour or two for each ride.
Posted by: pep at November 26, 2013 09:41 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: D.C. Vet. at November 26, 2013 09:41 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 09:41 AM (v9cuy)
Perhaps, but I'd be willing to bet they have lots cheaper malpractice insurance.
Posted by: pep at November 26, 2013 09:42 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 26, 2013 01:39 PM (nTgAI)
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I've been charged much less for paying cash. Most people don't realize the penalizing costs of dealing with insurance companies and especially the gubmint.
Posted by: Soona at November 26, 2013 09:42 AM (FtgP2)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:42 AM (cb/Vq)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 26, 2013 01:40 PM (RZ8pf)
Most of this country operates on a 12-year-old level. Sad but true, and all by design.
Posted by: grognard at November 26, 2013 09:42 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 26, 2013 09:43 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 26, 2013 01:39 PM (32Ze2)
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My alternate career choices would Plumber of Vet. Both of which get you for a minimum of 300.00 before they touch your pooch or pipes.
Posted by: dananjcon at November 26, 2013 09:43 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: no good deed at November 26, 2013 09:43 AM (HsJeN)
How could you have missed our commercials?
And is Bob Dole ahead or behind in the comments?
Posted by: Cialis[/i][/b][/s] at November 26, 2013 09:43 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 09:43 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:44 AM (cb/Vq)
Posted by: Marmo at November 26, 2013 09:44 AM (QW+AD)
Paying cash for a medical or dental service is usually much less expensive than using insurance. The overhead cost involved is much less because you don't have to go through all the hooplah of working with the insurance company.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:44 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: --- at November 26, 2013 09:44 AM (MMC8r)
They also can't lie about taking their medication and not hitting the soft-serve machine at the Old Country Buffet six times last Thursday.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at November 26, 2013 09:44 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: joncelli at November 26, 2013 09:44 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Recovering Businessperson [/i] at November 26, 2013 09:45 AM (1H61p)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 26, 2013 09:46 AM (Xlbr8)
2009 - 2014
Posted by: Jean at November 26, 2013 09:46 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 09:46 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 26, 2013 01:39 PM (32Ze2)
And human patients will rarely try to bite or claw you for rendering your services.
Not never. Certainly not never. But less frequently.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 01:42 PM (cb/Vq)
And heads on pikes. Don't forget the heads on pikes. Go for the drugs. Stay (forever) for the heads on pikes.
Posted by: flounder at November 26, 2013 09:46 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 26, 2013 09:46 AM (f9c2L)
New hotness: Americans traveling to Costa Rica to get health care that doesn't cost more than their house.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2013 09:47 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:47 AM (cb/Vq)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 26, 2013 09:47 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Obamacare is all right now at November 26, 2013 09:47 AM (9hVHZ)
or $50 in Kugerrands
Posted by: Jean at November 26, 2013 09:47 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 26, 2013 09:47 AM (Xlbr8)
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Because the part where a voter registration form is automatically sent and that personal information is also shared with OFA and other leftists groups is working perfectly?
Just my guess.
Posted by: RoyalOil at November 26, 2013 09:48 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 26, 2013 09:48 AM (v9cuy)
"How in the fuck is paying $640/mo compared to $125/mo considered fixed?"
Oh, we like that "fix" just fine, thank you.
Posted by: Big Insurance at November 26, 2013 09:49 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 26, 2013 09:49 AM (LWu6U)
Several years ago, I didn't go to see the 'rents for Thanksgiving for some reason (presumably work) and thus went to dinner at Boy BFF's house. This was when he still lived at home. The meal was awesome and afterwords we settled on the couch to watch movies and drink bay breezes. Needless to say, these went rapidly went from being bay breezes to adding just enough cranberry juice to make it look like we weren't drinking water glasses of vodka. His dad came in a couple hours later and started laughing about how drunk we were. We insisted we weren't. He said suuuuuure you're not. Another hour or so went by and I got up to go to the bathroom and basically did a nifty fulcrum up and faceplant right on the floor. Boy BFF starts laughing at me and I said you stand up you jackass. He fell off the couch. I ended up having to crawl to the bathroom. That hangover was fun, let me tell you.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 26, 2013 09:49 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
........
From behind who could tell anyway?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 26, 2013 09:49 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: joncelli, hammering the meme at November 26, 2013 09:49 AM (RD7QR)
Sounds like a very viable custom cruise business model. Maybe hit Bermuda or Nassau as end point. Mexico as a medical tourist destination just doesn't seem ideal.Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:50 AM (cb/Vq)
The overseas medical market is going to expand exponentially over the next few years if Ocare isn't repealed (there, I said it. REPEALED). For many people who don't live up to the standards our administrative emperors declare, it'll be the only way to get treatment.
I know two doctors that are making plans to go to Costa Rica and Thailand to practice medicine.
Posted by: Soona at November 26, 2013 09:50 AM (FtgP2)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 26, 2013 01:39 PM (nTgAI)
I have as well.
Posted by: jem at November 26, 2013 09:51 AM (fM4kr)
This insurance stuff sure is harder than they thought
Posted by: kbdabear at November 26, 2013 09:51 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 26, 2013 09:51 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 09:51 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: LA Traffic Dept. at November 26, 2013 09:51 AM (/1ATA)
Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at November 26, 2013 09:51 AM (9hVHZ)
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Is it just me or do the ads all feel desperate?
Like a brave face hiding utter panic?
I think we're going to be treated to a "broke all records" weekend.
Followed by 5 weeks right through Christmas of "sales again didn't meet expectations."
Posted by: RoyalOil at November 26, 2013 09:51 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: RWC at November 26, 2013 09:52 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 09:52 AM (cUARf)
What do ya'll do with the other 5 minutes?
Posted by: Muad'dib at November 26, 2013 09:52 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 26, 2013 09:52 AM (Xlbr8)
Next year , I expect that the big box stores will start the Black Friday sales on November first!f Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:54 AM (cb/Vq)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 26, 2013 09:54 AM (VtjlW)
I bet. Enjoying Thanksgiving dinner twice is always fun.
Posted by: no good deed at November 26, 2013 01:51 PM (HsJeN)
Reminds me of a joke I saw in a "disgusting joke book" once.
Two guys are stranded in the desert, starving, thirsty, irritable. They come across a coyote corpse, bloated and maggot filled. The first guy is desperate, and says they should both eat the corpse. The second guy declines, saying that there's no way it's a good idea to eat a raw, rotting corpse.
So the first guy says, "More for me!" and starts scarfing up the meat.
About an hour later, the first guy pukes and dies.
The second guy smiles, looks down, and says "I knew if I waited long enough, I'd have a hot meal!"
Posted by: grognard at November 26, 2013 09:55 AM (/29Nl)
Limbaugh said you can get *steep* discounts paying cash. He had a caller who said he was quoted $16k for a procedure at a hospital. When he convinced them he was paying cash and no insurance was involved at all, they reduced it to $2800.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 26, 2013 09:55 AM (B/VB5)
"Affordable Care Act" is painfully Orwellian.
Posted by: tcn at November 26, 2013 09:55 AM (fwcEs)
Posted by: Socrateae at November 26, 2013 09:56 AM (6uy7v)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 26, 2013 09:56 AM (LWu6U)
You know what we won't see reported this December? The sub optimal performance of retail sales.
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Is it just me or do the ads all feel desperate?
Like a brave face hiding utter panic?
I think we're going to be treated to a "broke all records" weekend.
Followed by 5 weeks right through Christmas of "sales again didn't meet expectations."
Posted by: RoyalOil
I was a retailer here for many years. The mall here was virtually devoid of customers a year or two before Obamacare started working its poison. Things will get a lot worse, now.
Posted by: backhoe at November 26, 2013 09:57 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Recovering Businessperson [/i] at November 26, 2013 09:57 AM (1H61p)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 26, 2013 09:57 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 26, 2013 01:51 PM (oFCZn)
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I got 15% off. Find another dentist that'll give you a better deal. It's one of the perks of the free market as long as we still have it.
Posted by: Soona at November 26, 2013 09:57 AM (FtgP2)
Define user. It has never even let me log on so I must not be a user.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 26, 2013 09:57 AM (kxSZr)
China has true free-market healthcare and we don't? Why am I not entirely surprised.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 26, 2013 09:57 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at November 26, 2013 09:58 AM (9hVHZ)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 26, 2013 09:58 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 26, 2013 09:58 AM (cb/Vq)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 26, 2013 09:58 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 26, 2013 09:59 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 26, 2013 10:00 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Bo the Whitehouse Webmaster at November 26, 2013 10:00 AM (Dwehj)
the food court at the mall with prices listed on a board outside. You
pick the doctor, and procedure based on how much you are willing to pay.
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Can you get volume discounts for abortions?
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 26, 2013 10:01 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Nation of Isreal at November 26, 2013 10:02 AM (p74mI)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 26, 2013 01:55 PM (B/VB5)
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He's right. It's why the overseas medical market is going to expand. Competition, people. It's a wonderful thing.
What people are going to find out is that free market medicine is the most affordable of all.
Posted by: Soona at November 26, 2013 10:02 AM (FtgP2)
Posted by: Recovering Businessperson [/i] at November 26, 2013 10:02 AM (1H61p)
Have you seen YDAD's 'Dishonest-tea' vid?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 26, 2013 10:02 AM (knoK7)
If the OFA cultists try filibustering about the awesomeness of 404Care during Thanksgiving dinner, I predict a scene where Frank Slade chokes his nephew will be played out over and over this year
Posted by: kbdabear at November 26, 2013 10:02 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Muad'dib at November 26, 2013 01:52 PM (KjlbF)
*smoothing clothes; checking hair*
Why I'm SURE I don't know what you mean. I'm a good girl I am. Driver and I were just... talking.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 10:02 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 26, 2013 10:02 AM (t3UFN)
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So who do we believe, the crazy evil Islamists or our serial lying president?
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 26, 2013 10:03 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 26, 2013 10:03 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 26, 2013 10:03 AM (XvrTA)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 10:03 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Roy at November 26, 2013 10:04 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 26, 2013 10:04 AM (VtjlW)
Hail to the one
Kneel to the crown
Stand in the sun
Avenged Sevenfold or Obama supporter's inner monologue?
Posted by: The Governor at November 26, 2013 10:06 AM (Tlix5)
Posted by: The Bourbon in Boehner's Belly at November 26, 2013 10:06 AM (0cMkb)
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If I had to do it all over again, I'd go for quality control engineer in a whore house.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 26, 2013 10:07 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 26, 2013 10:07 AM (DL2i+)
Holy...just had a third customer this month call us for copies of invoices for insurance reasons....ALL three said their business' burnt down.
This is optimal for the local economy.
Posted by: dananjcon at November 26, 2013 10:07 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: Bo the Whitehouse Webmaster at November 26, 2013 10:07 AM (Dwehj)
>>>You'll be glad to know full bush is back, baby! <<<
Can't wait for the porn stache to make it's long-overdue return. 70s here we come.
Posted by: Roy at November 26, 2013 10:08 AM (VndSC)
Barack Obama IS Suboptimal Prime, in....
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 26, 2013 10:08 AM (XO6WW)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 10:08 AM (4df7R)
I thought this one would be a stretch, but it only took 264 comments to get there.
Impressive.
Posted by: tcn at November 26, 2013 10:08 AM (fwcEs)
Posted by: teh Plague at November 26, 2013 10:08 AM (8GKDa)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 26, 2013 02:02 PM (4df7R)<
I have never had a conversation with a woman that left her looking so....satisfied. But that is probably on me.
Posted by: Muad'dib at November 26, 2013 10:09 AM (KjlbF)
Just like it was prior to FDR's wage freezes.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 26, 2013 10:09 AM (B/VB5)
Lt Col Frank Slade; "Look at me when you're talking, Randy .."
Randy Slade; "what kind of lunatic only buys catastrophic coverage? Anyway, his insurance policy got cancelled .."
Lt Col Frank Slade; ".. the one that got away.."
Randy: "You know what.. he was an asshole before he got cancelled. Now he's just an uninsured asshole.."
Frank Slade; "Hoo-wah.."
Randy; "So.. you get the point.. Chuckie?"
BAM!!!!
Frank Slade; "His name is Charles, or Charlie. This is a Ranger Chokehold I teach to those 2nd Lieutenants.. one move and I break your windpipe"
Posted by: kbdabear at November 26, 2013 10:09 AM (aTXUx)
I hadn't been to a major local mall in about five years until Saturday and I was shocked. A major anchor store had about half the merchandise on hand from the last time I had been there. The parking lot was about 20% full, vs the almost no-damn-place to park that it used to enjoy.
Yes, frightening is the word I'd use, too.
Unless you're a teenager and view going to the mall as a social exercise, why would you? I haven't gone to a mall in years and years because online is so much better in terms of both experience and price, not to mention evaluations from lots of people. Brick and mortar retail is going the way of newspapers, possible excepting clothing, but even that is in trouble.
Posted by: pep at November 26, 2013 10:09 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Roy at November 26, 2013 02:08 PM (VndSC)
Unless you look like Magnum PI, odds are it would make you look like a skeeve.
Posted by: tcn at November 26, 2013 10:09 AM (fwcEs)
Is this genuine Maaadness, or do you just have an urge to put underpants on your head and stick a couple of pencils up your nose?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 26, 2013 10:10 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 26, 2013 10:10 AM (VtjlW)
You're welcome!
"Get out of my room, mom!!!1!"
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 26, 2013 10:11 AM (knoK7)
"Every topic here really DOES end up in porn, doesn't it?"
*Halo popping up above head*
Why, whatever do you mean?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2013 10:11 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 26, 2013 02:10 PM (knoK7)
No, this is very real. I could never pull off a "Blackadder."
*eye twitches*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 26, 2013 10:11 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Cold Count de Monet at November 26, 2013 10:12 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: dananjcon at November 26, 2013 02:07 PM (wmU4G)
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Not optimal!!!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 26, 2013 10:12 AM (wmU4G)
Pop by my office. We're having a contest.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at November 26, 2013 10:12 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 26, 2013 10:12 AM (F3G1y)
Posted by: Muad'dib at November 26, 2013 10:13 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: Submariner at November 26, 2013 10:13 AM (SB5Q1)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 26, 2013 10:13 AM (cUARf)
*eye twitches* Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 26, 2013 02:11 PM"
*inserts reference to Pulp Fiction foot massage dialogue*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 26, 2013 10:14 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at November 26, 2013 02:12 PM"
As long as mullets aren't involved as well, there's still hope.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 26, 2013 10:15 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: Cold Count de Monet at November 26, 2013 02:12 PM (BAS5M)
I wasn't aware the most guys tried it, but hey, I learn something new every day, often right here.
Posted by: tcn at November 26, 2013 10:16 AM (fwcEs)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 26, 2013 10:16 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Muad'dib at November 26, 2013 10:16 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: Recovering Businessperson [/i] at November 26, 2013 10:17 AM (1H61p)
There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today. I think the modern term is "suboptimal".
If by suboptimal you mean "explodes with catastrophic loss of life when you scratch it".
Posted by: Zombie Admiral David Beatty at November 26, 2013 10:18 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Bo the Whitehouse Webmaster at November 26, 2013 10:18 AM (Dwehj)
>>I hadn't been to a major local mall in about five years until Saturday and I was shocked. A major anchor store had about half the merchandise on hand from the last time I had been there. The parking lot was about 20% full, vs the almost no-damn-place to park that it used to enjoy.
Yes, frightening is the word I'd use, too.
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.We are losing the Sears store in the Mall here in Lexington, KY. They are closing up on 31 December. They won't honor any Sears deals, coupons or fliers, they won' even deliver appliances that are sitting on the floor. There are signs all over the place and every single receipt you get is stamped in red "All sales Final".
Posted by: Registered Voter at November 26, 2013 10:19 AM (nUbHY)
I wasn't aware the most guys tried it, but hey, I learn something new every day, often right here.
Suboptimal sentence construction on my part. I meant for "most guys" to be that subset of skeevy horndogs who, lacking other bonafide prospects for a career, think of becoming a pron god.
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Posted by: The Jackhole at November 26, 2013 01:20 PM (nTgAI) --- With Obama, every night is a Summer's Eve!
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