1 first?

2 The GOP is an empty husk of a political party.  It's time for it to die.

3 My red lines have already been crossed many times over. I'm switching to Libertarian.

4 The GOP is an empty husk of a political party. It's time for it to die.
Posted by: Cicero


But but but...we just got that black demoncrat to join the "pubs. Doesn't that mean anything???

/sarc

5 The cry will always be…”But the Democrat is worse!”. This is usually sort of true but so what?


And guess what Drew, we have a lot of them here from the "moderate" side of the Moron wing.

6 I'm already done.

7 Pffft. Right.

8 So, what are your red lines? Guns control.

9 I remain registered as a R, because closed primaries. Get good candidates in the primaries, and you won't have to hold your nose.

10

I don't like people calling me Francis.

11 Gun control. Can't type today.

12 I sucked it up in the past and voted for McCain and then Romney. No more.


Ditto; except add that I am one step short of totally abandoning the Republican Party. I may change my mind if the make Trey Gowdy speaker of the House or get him  elected in place of Graham.

13 Panama or Costa Rica, starting to look very good. If I am going to have to speak Spanish, might as well have a big house and a staff.

14 This is both funny and sad. I left the GOP years ago when they broke their (2nd) promise to secure the border. They'll never learn. For them, its all about getting a better table at Martha's Vineyard next to the "cool kids".

15 So lay back and enjoy? Wait for the GOP to die and replace it with something better? Belize? I don't like watching the country die but the alternatives right now are sucky.

16

Recipe for disaster.  How many Republicans in the House have already crossed "red lines"?.  And yet if enough conservatives hadn't held their noses and voted for them, Pelosi would be speaker and whatever crap amnesty bill comes out of the Senate would pass the house in 5 minutes.  Live to fight another day.

It's not that the democrat alternatives are "worse", it's that they are a thousand times worse.  Punish people in primaries IF WE CAN HOLD THE SEAT ANYWAY.  But stop pissing away seats in purple staes and districts in the name of "purity".

17 I have said it before and been criticized, but it is true:  both parties run as far to the left as they feel they can and still get their base to vote for them.      The representatives     of both parties believe in government, not in people.

18 Drew is making Michael Medved cry. Hugh Hewitt is weeping into his pillow. You cruel, cruel man.

19 My red lines were crossed so many times the canvas looks like a picasso wannabe with tourettes went bad with a red sharpie.

20 EC, try with one fucking hand in a cast.

21 The Constitution is my red line. Period.

22 I have 3 maybe 4 red lines

1. Gun Control
2. Amnesty
3. Tax increases
4. Shit on the military (depends)

23 But Democrats are worse, except that continuing to vote for more of the same from RINOs only prolongs the suffering and the inevitable rebuilding of the party on conservative/constitutional/federalism principles.  Let's clean house.

Red lines? 
Border security before Amnesty
2A infringements
Domestic surveillance
Debt and Deficit - although that line is somewhat amorphous

24 And guess what Drew, we have a lot of them here from the "moderate" side of the Moron wing. Posted by: Vic at June 20, 2013 11:13 AM (lZvxr) If the past is anything like the future, it'll be 80% of the people saying they will never vote for Rubio. I won't support Rubio in the nomination process, naturally, but I'll make no such commitment to not vote for him in '16. At least gives me squish wiggle room.

25 My red line is anal.

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I think.
 

26 Beserker better to look like a Picasso wanna-be than being a Pollack original.

27 Amnesty and Obamacare expansion for me too. Any further increases in Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid. I'm not talking a refusal to means test, I mean actually expanding benefits. Gun control. Fuck you sideways with a rusty chainsaw, Toomey. This post brings up something for which I have no solution. We keep talking consequences and taking over the party and look where we are. Rubio is now advocating the positions which he ran against. Toomey's inexplicable cave on gun control. Jan Brewer and the sweet, sweet Federal Medicaid money. Ayotte and amnesty. Fine. Conservatives show up and nominate and elect people who, once in office, stab conservatives in the face. And there's nothing to be done about it. Why do I say that? Because who is to say the next person won't do exactly and precisely the same thing. I don't see a solution, I truly don't. There are no consequences to lying very more so than usual for a politician, getting elected and then completely switching positions. By the next election, it's too late. Nothing gets repealed. Not a dime gets cut. Nothing ever changes. I don't see a way out that does not involve fire and famine and blood.

28 EC, try with one fucking hand in a cast. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 20, 2013 11:15 AM Well, if you didn't jack it so hard!

29 The cry will always be…”But the Democrat is worse!”



A shit sammich versus a turd souffle doesn't sound like a gourmet delight.

30 This is it...

I held my nose on Obamacare and decided that the GOP couldn't be blamed for Roberts' idiocy BUT amnesty?

I am a Canuck-o-phile I love Canada almost as much as America but I don't just get to hop "el border" and demand citizenship or legal residency....

I would work cheaper than Canadians etc etc

You need to ponder voting straight ticket D and sending a REAL message Drew....

the mules will start repealing the parts of the bill of rights they don't like and the Republic will either end, fracture, or recover faster....

regardless I have voted for my last McCain gang GOPer

31 @22 So the only one you have left is "Gun Control"?

32

Billy Bob -

 

Did you have them set your hand in Fap  Position, you know, like Les Paul?

33 The GOP is the Assistant Democrat Party. Walk away from it. Run away from it. It's infected.

34 If I made the Constitution a red line I couldn't vote for anyone ever again.

35 Well, if you didn't jack it so hard! Posted by: EC at June 20, 2013 11:16 AM (GQ8sn) NOW, you tell me.

36 I switched to Independent also after the last election, but in all probability I will vote for the R for Pres..... Nothing could be as bad as an obama or a hillary, nothing...

37 I stand by my belief that anyone who wants to regularize 10-15 million illegals while we are still north of 7% unemployment (and 20%+ among black male Americans) is simply insane, and a racist to boot.

38 The problem is ,the Democrat really is worse.Exponentially worse.

39 Republican sheriff in this county is at least partially responsible for a murder rate increase of 20x over what we had with the previous Democrat sheriff.  I had decided that this was going to be my first vote for a demoncrat in 2012, and he ran unopposed that year.

40 My red line was “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.” - John Boehner 11/8/2012




The GOP can go fuck themselves as far as I am concerned.

41 The GOP is an empty husk of a political party. It's time for it to die.

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THIS.  With the exception of a few honorable men and women, it is nothing.  I will not, under any circumstance whatsoever vote for another sellout Republican because the Democrat is worse.  I will not vote for Lindsay Graham again because he is the complete antithesis to what I believe it.  The R beside his name means nothing to me.  I will not reward him or those like him anymore.  I will vote for individuals only.  I have zero allegiance to the Republican party.  A party who rode a wave of smashing victory in 2010, only to piss it all away. 

42 9 Red Sweater,

um.... Mark the Rube ran as a Tea Partier.....

I've been trying to hold my nose and influence primaries since '96....

I have a better idea why vote for 75% democrat when you can empower the real thing?

43 2 The GOP is an empty husk of a political party. It's time for it to die. Pretty much. The GOP is a collection of know-nothing consultants and self-styled insiders. It has no ideological underpinning. It is a for-profit enterprise. Its main focus is conning donors into believing someone will challenge Democrats, or conning wealth candidates like Romney into paying for their services. The money flows in. The challenges never come. And then more money is demanded.

44 Government is no longer of the people, for the people. It is now people exist for Government.

Both parties need to go down in flames but that requires people to start paying attention to what's going on; I don't see that happening. The truth is like a virulent disease to a lot of people.

45 Wow, Drew, after the 2012 election I re-registered as an Independent also.  I went through the same process.  I used to think any Republican was better than a Democrat.  No more. 

I won't vote for any candidate that is for amnesty before verifiable border security.  Nor will I vote for any candidate that will not support some form of the Fair Tax or national sales tax to replace current tax law.  The IRS in its present form has to go.

46 On the plus side, I now have a 1944 Smith Corona 03A3.

47 OT.  Methinks that Google Futurist has been reading too much science fiction.  What he needs to read is Appleseed or Ghost in the Shell to learn of what such a society could look like and even how one can be hacked and become a pawn.

48 I'm going libertarian or Constitution Party. 

49 @32 It's my left wrist, but I have a full cast to shoulder. Showering is real fun. I can still watch pron and "practice", thank God for small favors.

50 When we talk about accelerating the rush to the Burning Times by voting D or staying home, something within me resists viscerally. I want to save everything I can and when I study history I see that it's very, very hard to pull a country back from disaster once it is far down that path. So I really struggle with letting it die in the hopes something better succeeds it.

51 On the plus side, I now have a 1944 Smith Corona 03A3. How does she sing?

52 The Patriot Way!

53 Luckily in Clownifornia we can dispense with this drama. It's a one party state, now and forever. Although I might be worried about competition from the Greens or the Communist Party USA if I were a Clownifornia Democrat.

54 I was done a long time ago.  George W. Bush crossed most of my red lines.

Medicare-D, NCLB, the fucking Wall Street bailouts.

Done as done could be. 

55 Interesting that Drew is now finding all sorts  of hills to die on.  So, what's different now?

56 These folks are using technology for everything.  Apparently there was a vote in the house concerning abortion.  The organizing for America generated an email within minutes of that vote.  And they have generated many more since then.  I'm told, as long as you don't respond, you'll keep getting emails.

One of the people who is getting emails responded that she is not comfortable with abortions after 20 weeks.  She reports she's now being bombarded with emails.

57 I sucked it up in the past and voted for McCain and then Romney. No more.
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diddo

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=diddo

58 I can still watch pron and "practice", thank God for small favors. But no more "teh stranger"?

59 I won't vote for any candidate that is for amnesty before verifiable border security. Nor will I vote for any candidate that will not support some form of the Fair Tax or national sales tax to replace current tax law. The IRS in its present form has to go. Posted by: Marmo at June 20, 2013 11:19 AM (QW+AD) There's basically no political will for it yet. I'm guessing Paul would support it, but from history after he supported it, he started dodging questions about it. Probably polled poorly.

60 24 HoboJerky,

Your call...

I'd vote for Hillary or Joey Plugz before Rubio

61 We are now living in a country which cares more about a group of poorly educated felons than it does its own citizens. I think I want to take my money and go live somewhere that I am an honored guest rather than an unwilling hostess. Maybe I can even have ampersands! &&&

62 It's not that the democrat alternatives are "worse", it's that they are a thousand times worse. Punish people in primaries IF WE CAN HOLD THE SEAT ANYWAY. But stop pissing away seats in purple staes and districts in the name of "purity". Posted by: buzz at June 20, 2013 11:14 AM (i27M5) Please set out all legislative victories achieved by the Republicans since 2008.

63 How does she sing?

Not been to the range yet but the bore is excellent. 

64 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

65 I remain registered as a R, because closed primaries. Get good candidates in the primaries, and you won't have to hold your nose.

I'm done listening to the people who refuse to participate bitching about the people the participants select.

66 My red line is marijuana.
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Really.
 

67 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

68 Hopefully in a nice 30-06

69 I don't have any red lines because I can't hold them by myself.
[remaining post redacted and stored for later use by NSA surveillance tech]

70 I will not vote for Lindsay Graham again because he is the complete antithesis to what I believe it. The R beside his name means nothing to me. I will not reward him or those like him anymore. I will vote for individuals only. I have zero allegiance to the Republican party. A party who rode a wave of smashing victory in 2010, only to piss it all away.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 20, 2013 11:18 AM (ovWeo)

I sent him a letter and said not only was I never going to vote for him again but that was going to actively campaign against him.

71 I agree with Drew.  Too many lines crossed. To buzz, despite the GOP holding the house it looks like we may have the same result as if Pillowzee had the hammer.  At my age I don't think I'll see us getting back to sanity so LIB and maybe the next generation will see the error of their ways. The POS has betrayed their base and their Country by Amnesty, Obamanation Care, letting issues like Bengazi, NSA, IRS and other huge material breaches fade into the sunset with no one being held accountable.

72 Well damn, maybe getting tatted up like M-18 was not a good choice. Along with others.

73 >>>I don't see a way out that does not involve fire and famine and blood.

Oo All the interesting parts of the Bible. Yay!

LIB.
Seriously LIB
No, here have some matches. Want to be scumbags Republicans? I'm more than willing to watch the Donks tear it down at this point if you won't pull your head out of your ass.

74 55 Interesting that Drew is now finding all sorts of hills to die on. So, what's different now? Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 20, 2013 11:20 AM (CJjw5) Indeed. By '16 we would have hopefully survived Obama's reign of terror. The Republican hopefuls are still many time better than Romney and infinitely better than McCain. I'm upset too. But I'm not going to commit myself to voting for another socialist or allowing a socialist to win.

75 I agree on not going along with the Republicans when they are wrong and not voting for squishes and RINO's, but DO NOT change your part affiliation on your voter registration, unless your state has open primaries. We still need to be able to vote in the primaries. We have to be able to support our good, conservative candidates. If you completely abandon the Republican party, you abandon some good conservative candidates. Don't do that.

76 Posted by: DaAngerGirl, getting angrier by the day at June 20, 2013 11:13 AM (osdNx) Proposed new nic.

77 Hopefully in a nice 30-06

There's other rifle calibers?  I think not.

78 50 Joncelli,

better she goes quick than slow...

the nation is too powerful right now still to be allowed to be evil...

better to empower them to destroy the economy and liberty quickly so those that are repulsed act properly and the nation ideally fractures...

79 I look at it this way-

Democrats- Inherently evil to the core, slime of humanity.

Republicans- Confused children, some good, some bad, some stupid, some retarded.

80 The cry will always be…”But the Democrat is worse!”. .........I used to say that. No more. I did it with Juan McClame and Mittens and a few others over the years. Fuck it, let the Dems own it. Maybe the GOP will pull it's head out of it's own ass and stop treating it's base like shit. Psst hey guys. We tried running two moderates and are going the exact opposite way from our platform. PSsst. It's NOT WORKING. Geez . I will never do a nose hold vote again. Ever. I am now as loyal to them as they've been to me over the years.

81
I have already committed to only voting in local elections and issues, all the feds can go pound each other as they are wont to do.

My wife switched to indy on her last drivers lic. renewal.  Done with the GOP.

82

>>>It's my left wrist, but I have a full cast to shoulder.   Showering is real fun.

 

If you want, one of the morons can swing by the Home Depot and get an illegal to give you a hand in the shower...

What's Mexican for Dutch Rudder?

83 Aw fuck. Well, I learned in the SEC that if you're gonna break the rules, at least win. http://nflspinzone.com/2013/06/20/aaron-hernandez-arrested-murder/

84

>>"That itÂ’s so hard to do is an indication of how important it is that it be done."

 

 

Like most things.

I look at it from the reverse point of view of "red lines." That is, not from the point of view of what few things the GOP gets wrong now and then and what I should refuse to tolerate a la carte, but rather what is it that they actually get right anymore and why I should tolerate their existence at all. There is no more benefit of the doubt, as I see it. I go into EVERY issue assuming a sell-out. They have failed their fundamental reason for being. They are by now so corrupted and so pathologically subservient to the powers and prerogatives of the cultural Left they are useless. Indeed, worse than useless. However I remain open to the possibility of iconclastic figure emerging from the party, and would welcome the revolt he would lead.

85
Fox News still lying about the new amendment.

86 If you completely abandon the Republican party, you abandon some good conservative candidates. Don't do that. No, you don't. They can choose to change their party affiliation, too. If these "good conservative candidates" don't realize that the whole Republican tree is rotten- root and branch- then they're not good enough.

87

 I'm so done, I can't even hold up the fork that is stuck in me...

88 local radio hostess is upset the tea partiers booed at rubio's name.....she's now done with the tea partiers.....this is a self proclaimed conservative..... she also keeps throwing out the stupid all encompassing government talking points on the NSA spying...."well, what's the alternative? we need to be safe!!!!"

89 70 Vic,

"Republicans for Real Democrats" might get you camera time....

I'd donate or volunteer down there...

Ms Graham-McCain would be a nice shot across the GOP bow IMHO

90 let it burn

91 Are the democrats really worse when the Republicans just end up caving and passing exactly what the democrats would have done anyways?

92 Sorry, 'Undocumented Lather Technician'.

93
Beserker better to look like a Picasso wanna-be than being a Pollack original.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 20, 2013 11:16 AM (FRe+O)

Cod > Pollock

94 Spoken like a true brat.  It's not a perfect world and the Democrats ARE demonstably worse. 

95 The GOP consultant class and it's spoils system is to entrenched in the republican party to ever really reform it. At this point the GOP wants to hold enough seats so their consultants and lobbyists can get their friends and business partners rich by spreading donation money around. A new party will by necessity have to black list all of these people along with 90% of elected office holders at the federal level. By the time the thing gets off the ground we'll be $22 trillion in debt at least and that's just by 2016. the dems win that one we're looking at 27-28 trillion by 2020. Economic collapse, half of mexico voting in our elections... we're good and truly fucked. Oh yeah and we have to run a real reformer. Someone will to slay free shit army, I don't think a majority of our country is will to try fiscal sanity and a shrinking of government.

96 87 Allen G,

Yup....

the GOP was born because of sell-out Whicgs who empowered Donk overreach...

yes we'll be screwed for a generation better than allowing the two headed monster to screw us for all time

97 How about an extremist party?

98

I don't see a solution, I truly don't. There are no consequences to lying very more so than usual for a politician, getting elected and then completely switching positions. By the next election, it's too late. Nothing gets repealed. Not a dime gets cut. Nothing ever changes.


I don't see a way out that does not involve fire and famine and blood.

 

Gubmint doesn't fear the people.  They don't even fear re-election.  Say, did you ever hear about this?  http://amzn.to/10Ay0Gx  This was what one guy theorized the Founders would do if they were here today.  I doubt there are enough patriots left in DC to even consider this.

 

99 Cod > Pollock My 6yr Old > Pollock.

100 My red lines were passed so long ago, it's archives. Welcome to the party, pal.

101 I sent him a letter and said not only was I never going to vote for him again but that was going to actively campaign against him.

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I did this, too.  He doesn't care.  Neither does Rubio, whose FB page has been an explosion of angry messages.  They don't care what we want, say, think and do. 

102 Yeah, I'm done too. There are exceptions, but it's plain to me that someone like Ted Cruz wouldn't be in the GOP if there was a viable alternative. He sticks out as a Republican almost the same as he would as a Democrat.

103 @84 The thug life style. Soon to have his own hip hop prison song.

104 Cod > Pollock

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 20, 2013 11:25 AM (TIIx5)

 

 

How. Dare. You. Sir!

 

 

 

105 I'm going to sound like the RINO now but Cruz gives me some hope.  In Tx, he went up against a certain go along, get along R.  There has got to be more of them out there.  Enough of them?  I dunno.

106 Don't like the way it's being done, similar to obamacare but now you have to wonder if it's almost scripted.  Headlines that Boner will wait for a republican majority and then bam he's got it and the 70 and their act was for naught and the bill will be worse than we can imagine once the the house and senate committees cut it up and insert what they want.

107 Stop trying to knock the rough edges off the Democrats' insane policies and make them almost work.  Stop being 'The Tax Collector for the Welfare State'.  Nobody likes the tax collector.

LiFB.

108 Laissez-bruler

109 95 NC Mountain Girl,

so much the better....

the left gets to slowly drag us into hell....

may as well let them put the pedal to the metal and see if the millenials really like poverty

110 Forget about losing elections. Anyone who votes for this amnesty bill is signing their own death warrant. Not immediately, but once the Burning commences, their names will be on a lot of 'lists'.

111 "I don't see a way out that does not involve fire and famine and blood."
Unfortunately this is probably how this all ends
 

112 Fox News still lying about the new amendment.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 20, 2013 11:24 AM (1wTQt)

As I said earlier and days ago, they have always been in the tank for amnesty.  They pushed the previous amnesty bill hard.

113 Democrats ARE demonstably worse. Really? How? Name one thing the Democrats did (without Republicans) in, say, the last 25 years that is demonstrably worse than what they've done with Republican support, or that Republicans have done on their own. I'll wait.

114 The Cuban Comb-over and his masters in the Amnesty Int'l Party can officially suck my ass. I will sit out 2014 and 2016 if this goes down, as it looks more and more likely that it will. Fuck you, Quislings.

115 You know *how* stupid Republicans are? They're going to lose me on the illegal immigrant issue. And I'm in favor of amnesty. But secure the border first, then we can talk amnesty. No to all-in-one bills.

1)Secure border.
2)Deal with people already here
3)In that order dumbasses

It's that f*cking simple. I registered R here in Florida because closed primary, but I really don't consider myself a Republican much anymore. And it's not on issues, it's how f*cking stupid the elected officials are collectively. They can't play 3D chess, no not regular chess either, and it seems they can't even grasp checkers, I'd take a monkey playing Memory for strategy over 90% of the Republicans in DC.

116

I have many red lines, and the GOP has crossed virtually every one of them in the past ten years or so.

 

Any way, to answer your question, here are the things I want  in exchange for my vote (in no particular order):

 

Strict adherence to the Constitution as it was    written.

 

Everyone  is treated the same way all the time. This means no exemptions  for any group, such as the ones passed out for OCare.   Politicians who violate the law should be made into examples, frequently, until they all get the message that corruption will not be  tolerated.

 

Our borders sealed tight.

 

 Dedication to the honest practice of capitalism, with   a diversity of opportunity for all to make as much money as they wish.

 

 A  small, unobtrusive and inexpensive government that does what's best for the country and that leaves me alone.

 

Treat our enemies  as the enemy: this means no foreign aid to any country that doesn't practice basic recognition of the freedoms we hold dear.  This also includes a strong military that isn't some  PC,  Progtarded  social experiment, but dedicates  itself to winning any conflict by killing people and breaking things.

 

And education system that focuses on our national heritage, truth and reality. (Billy Ayers' types need not apply.) Again, this is no place for socialistic indoctrination  the like  of  which we're seeing  today.

 

 

117 Nice thing about cod, you can have it over for dinner.

Pollock, not so much.

118 Beserker better to look like a Picasso wanna-be than being a Pollack original.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 20, 2013 11:16 AM (FRe+O)


I know squat about paintings/art. I had to look that up. His shit should be titled "diary of a madman".

119 Embrace your principles, Drew. I've made many an argument that principles should indeed by the primary determinant of one's vote. I got a lot of flack over not voting for McCain. I feel that his actions since then have justified that non-vote many times over. Who can doubt that Amnesty would have easily been done long ago under a President McCain? Principles matter deeply.

120 46 On the plus side, I now have a 1944 Smith Corona 03A3.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at June 20, 2013 11:19 AM (codCi)

 

I'm picking up my 1st Garand from FedEx after work today.

121 The cry will always be…”But the Democrat is worse!”. This is usually sort of true but so what?

Because most of us aren't retarded idealists.

There's a mechanism in place to punish sellouts.  It's called the primary, and has been used with success in the past.

122

I don't see a way out that does not involve fire and famine and blood.

 

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That's because there isn't.  Although,  I see America going out with a whimper, more than a bang.

 

It's nice to get your dander up and all, talk about killing the GOP, and sure, that needs to happen.  Because Fuck Them, That's Why.

 

Still doesn't mean  we're not headed for the Burning Times.  Face it, there are more Free Shitters than there are of us.  And they get to vote.  Pretty soon, Marco Rubio will have created at least 11 million NEW Free Shitters.

 

Demographics  is Destiny.  We simply cannot beat the math on this one.  It Will Burn.  Gird  Your Loins.  I suggest my new line of asbestos loincloths.

123 We're still waiting on someone else to help us...someone else doesn't exist.

124 You vote for the best conservative you can. If you vote third party we get people like Obama. Then people like Rubio will do what they can because they see how people voted. I guarantee you Rubio would be all about border first if Romney won. Your vote doesn't just put people in office it changes how people in office vote. Primary Rubio for what he is doing but you vote third party you kill America. It is a two party system no matter what you want it to be. Use it to the best of your ability and vote the most conservative and libertarian and punish RINOs.

125 Spoken like a true brat. It's not a perfect world and the Democrats ARE demonstably worse. Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at June 20, 2013 11:25 AM (9WjP7) Again, please set out for me what the Republicans have accomplished on the federal level since 2008. The burden is on those of you stating that remaining a Republican has value to support your thesis. I am not being bitchy about this. Please set out actual accomplishments by the Republicans on the federal level since 2008. Here. I'll even start. Gun control was defeated. That is an excellent and valuable accomplishment that would not have taken place in a Democrat controlled House and Senate. Now name the rest.

126 105 @84 The thug life style. Soon to have his own hip hop prison song. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 20, 2013 11:26 AM (wR+pz) Bumps in the road, bra'.

127 Situations like this are why you get Dana Rohrabacher standing next to Boehner with a "bessie-maker" if he brings up ANY immigration bill in the House. If Boehner et all attempt to screw us, geld them.

128 They can't play 3D chess, no not regular chess either, and it seems they can't even grasp checkers, I'd take a monkey playing Memory for strategy over 90% of the Republicans in DC. 3D chess? I'm pretty sure the GOP (as a whole) can't fathom the deep tactical thought necessary to play tic-tac-toe.

129 Name one thing the Democrats did (without Republicans) in, say, the last 25 years that is demonstrably worse than what they've done with Republican support, or that Republicans have done on their own.

What have the Republicans done that's worse than Obamacare?

130 "Republicans for Real Democrats" might get you camera time....

I'd donate or volunteer down there...

Ms Graham-McCain would be a nice shot across the GOP bow IMHO

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 20, 2013 11:24 AM (LRFds)

I'm not talking about campaigning for myself to be elected.  I tried to help his opponents in the primary.  But thanks to underhanded things like running out of ballots in Myrtle Beach at 10 am he still won.

131 As I said Beserker, better a Picasso wanna-be.

132 Really? How? Name one thing the Democrats did (without Republicans) in, say, the last 25 years that is demonstrably worse than what they've done with Republican support, or that Republicans have done on their own.

Obamacare.

Next?

133 Demographics is Destiny. We simply cannot beat the math on this one. It Will Burn. Gird Your Loins. I suggest my new line of asbestos loincloths.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 20, 2013 11:28 AM (CJjw5)

That makes my scrotum itch just thinking about it.

134


There is no GOP.

135 Sorry, 'Undocumented Lather Technician'. We have compassion and a fresh, clean scent for people who have risked their lives to shower here illegally.

136 I swear, Rubio is now like that chump at the poker table.  The sharks keep ordering free drinks and telling him what a great player he is, in the meantime they just keep slowing whittling his stack of chips down.  But since he's at the table with the big boys, he just doesn't get it.

Chump.

I hope he gets primaried.  But before then he apparently wants to get bent over by Harry Reid like Boggs going after Andy Dufresne in the laundry.

137

>>> Demographics is Destiny. We simply cannot beat the math on this one.

 

Out of Pez, already?

138 So, what can I do? Red line was crossed when JRoberts sold us out...that was when it became perfectly clear that inside DC, everyone is a committed statist. Party affiliation, individual votes. It's all LIV Kabuki. Shitty, predictable theater at that. That being said, I can't ever pull the lever next to a "D" name. I can't reward Republitards anymore. Should I write in cat candidates? Not vote?

139 I won't be fucking voting for Rubio evah.

140 Are the democrats really worse when the Republicans just end up caving and passing exactly what the democrats would have done anyways?

Exactly -- Democrats merely start with whatever Republicans are willing to do, and then exaggerate it. 

The GOP is a bunch of cowards and assholes, because most of what the Left says about them is actually true -- they exist to funnel money into the hands of big corporate sponsors, they really don't care about free markets, etc. 

That's why the GOP is going along with amnesty.  That's why the GOP is on board with massive bailouts.  They really are the corporate whores that the Democrats say they are.  (Of course, the Democrats are equally corporate whores, just for slightly different corporations, but the Republicans can't or won't take a stance against Democrat corporate whoring.) 

That's why the GOP hates the TEA Party types -- they actually believe in the principles of economic freedom and Constitutionalism that the GOP merely pretends to believe.

141
Here's the deal on getting good candidates at least where I am.  I became a precinct captain for the 2010 elections and found out in a hurry that party rules prevent new blood from getting in, even when people were screaming for the tea party people, they got shut out.  They'll take your money and your vote and your volunteer work, but not your ideas or candidates.

Screw the GOP.  Their mascot should be a whipping boy for the Dems.

142 And the real difference between the Republicans and Democrats is......... No difference. And the benefit of voting for one or the other is...... No benefit, for normal citizens. We are beyond the realm of "saving" the Republic. It is now just a hollow husk of what it once was; for all my life, it has been hollowed out by our political "leadership", the Republican-Democrat Co-dominium. Burning or not burning, we are now in a situation where there is no clear choice for a thinking citizen who actually cares about what the written word or law is supposed to mean. We are trapped without any possible choice that at least gives us some kind of moral sense that "we have done our best". What we are now faced with is an amoral government that will give lip-service to the law, and ignore the substance. The government now has the power to individually coerce any of us to "behave" or "else". Anyone that works in a company that has to interact with the regulatory nightmare of the Federal Government knows exactly how oppressive and overbearing it has become.

143 Guns.

Pretty much done with the Stupid Party anyway.  Switched to Indie in the past election cycle too.

144 Republicans always demand a warrior to stand up for them, then run when they get punched in the nose. 

145 123 Hollowpoint,

Yeah the counter example is Dick Dick Lugar....

sorry HP the GOP donk lite faction gets the media's help like a donk until they threaten donks....


time to let nature take its course and give Ogabe the power the GOP never ever gets even when we win...

ie Speaker Pelousy and Searchlight....

if the LiV and F$A voters are happy with what is happening who am I to stop them?

If the McCain gang wants to dilute my vote in perpetuity with illegal aliens being jedi hand waved my birthright they can go DIAF

146 Political cartoon from 1995
http://tinyurl.com/m24qne5

147 It's called the primary, and has been used with success in the past. Really? Orin Hatch, John McCain, and Lindsey Graham would beg to differ. Oh, it works sometimes. Mostly in House races (where one seat changing is equal to precisely dick). But the political class has seen to it that the primary process is not nearly the threat to them that it should be- especially at the Senate and Presidential levels.

148 Hollowpoint, you realize at the rate we're going we're going to have to primary pretty much every R currently in congress? I'm struggling to think of at least 10 that wont need to be replaced. Ted Cruz? Or did he back off on support this amnesty?

I was happy when I moved to NH, because awesome I have Ayotte now, no more sell out Brown or Kerry. Then she does THIS.

149 Obamacare. Next? History called Olympia Snowe...

150 I'm sick of McCain and Graham pushing the Democrat line on us.

151 87 - So I shouldn't even vote for genuinely conservative Republicans? I should be actively working to destroy the Republican Party? I mean, if that's what we're saying, then let's just say it clearly.

152 Well said, DrewM.

Though when you talk about forming another party, you're still operating under the assumption that it is politically possible for Americans to be free with the current electorate. Adding 20 million communists ought to clarify that notion.

The only real solution I see is some kind of separation. Texas and whichever other states that want to live free just need to up and walk away and leave the socialists to rot in their own schemes. Many of us would have to relocate, but I just don't see the FSA giving up voting for a living.

Once the burning starts, I think this will become more of a possibility than it may now appear.

153 I draw the line at penis.

154 Cross my red line and I might think about setting up a no-fly zone.

155 The sad part is as the Republican party continues to lose elections because they continue to lose conservative voters, they will continue to believe it's because they are too conservative and instead will continue to move to the left, work to expand government, etc. The GOP must die a quick and painful death and be replaced with a party and members who actually believe in and follow their guiding principles.

156 "Yeah, I was thinking it was probably about time you got that gun you want." She's a keeper!

157 My red line is spending, particularly entitlement spending. I actually voted for Kerry in 2004 because of Medicare Part D. I'm not proud of it, Kerry's an idiot, and his running mate was even worse; but I wasn't voting for him as much as I was voting against Bush. But I still argue that it was the right decision, because if Kerry had won, the Republicans would never have lost the Senate in 2006 and would have had an easier time taking back the White House in 2008. Obama certainly wouldn't be president today.

158 There's a mechanism in place to punish sellouts. It's called the primary, and has been used with success in the past. Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 20, 2013 11:28 AM (SY2Kh) Rubio. Toomey. Ayotte. Your turn.

159 "Yeah, I was thinking it was probably about time you got that gun you want."

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 20, 2013 11:33 AM (tWmgi)

Dude, that's a keeper you got there. (Well, unless she was being sarcastic.)

160 25 My red line is anal. * * * * I think. Posted by: Sandra Flook at June 20, 2013 11:16 AM (jvd3N) That's your brown line.

161 132 Vic,

I understand you completely.....

I will be down there for the fun...

I'm saying it might be a kick to get Soros style astroturf coverage of "Republicans for Real Democrats why keep closeted ones in the GOP?" as a PAC....

It's time for the McCain Gang to pick up some checks their policy choices can't cash

162 Out of Pez, already?

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2013 11:30 AM (VOi2K)

 

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I'm only one man, garrett.

163 Drew, I think a big part of the problem is that conservatives are still playing the game like it's supposed to be played. Particularly, in Presidential primaries- ie. look at several potential candidates and try to find the best one. This allows a guy like Romney or even McCain to slide through as he is one hundred percent backed by the GOP establishment. This time around we need to be smarter as conservatives and get behind one, possibly two guys early (no, not Santorum). Then hone in early and keep Jeb Bush or whoever from achieving any victory in any of the early states. Same in Senate and House races - maybe our guy won't ultimately win but we can knock the current RINO out of the easy life in DC. enough of that and the others will shape up.

164 In my view, Republicans are left of center. Tea Party is right of center. Democrats are 'soft left'.

We have pretty much no right wing.

165 Primary Rubio for what he is doing but you vote third party you kill America America as it stands today deserves to die. In fact, the vast majority of voters and politicians are asking for it, some explicitly. America as it was did not deserve to be killed.

166 I draw the line at penis. So do I.

167 [i["Yeah, I was thinking it was probably about time you got that gun you want." Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 20, 2013 11:33 AM (tWmgi)[/i] That is awesome. What an incredible woman. Get her the ring, Owl. Trust me on this.

168 Obamacare. Not done without Republicans. Wouldn't have passed out of committee if a Republican (Snowe?) hadn't voted for it. Wouldn't have passed the Senate if the Republicans had refused unanimous consent (that just takes one Senator with some stones- which means there were none) on the reading of the bill. Or if they had committed to a filibuster over Christmas. Wouldn't have passed the House with similar tactics. "All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

169 134

The Maine nitwit helped them get it out of committee by one vote. There's your R.

170 I'm right where Drew is. I'm so fucking sick of being lied to. My vote for Romney was a desperate, last ditch long shot effort to try to save the republic.

No more. If the GOP is determined to help burn this country down, I'm gonna take them with me.

171 We need to primary more of these assholes.

172 I feel like my red-lines have already been crossed. Not just the Amnesty pile-of-shit, but the constant, unrelenting attacks from the GOP Establishment (Karl Rove, Jeb Bush, John McCain) on the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Why should I vote for people who openly hate me?

173 Jeb Bush is a real stinker. I hope they sink that junk before he sails.

174 Speaking of our clown Congress.  From 1992.
http://tinyurl.com/3nxcv57

175 ~ sigh ~ Back when Bush was running for his second term, this was such a happy, carefree place. Must have been the low unemployment, the respect for domestic privacy, deferral to military commanders on questions of tactics, and Dick Cheney. but mostly Dick Cheney.

176 Red line..... really, you need a red line. They have crapped on us time after time and you say one more time and then I am done.....

It is way past time to start a new party. Way past time.

177 Gun control.
Obamacare.
Amnesty.
Expansion of the welfare state.

Vote for any of these, and I will do all in my power to make sure that you are primaried, defeated and become a disgrace to the conservative principles you claim to uphold.

178 OT- Apparently, New England Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez is being followed on the interstate in Massachusetts as he rides in a white SUV. Hernandez is wanted for questioning about a dead body found in a car registered to him which was that of a man from his entourage. This makes it into this thread because the chase will likely preempt any coverage of the RINO sellout on the immigration bill.

179

Rubio.

Toomey.

Ayotte.

Your turn.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 20, 2013 11:34 AM (VtjlW)

 

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Uhhh...  Things That  Suck!

 

Things That  Need To  Die In A Fire!

 

Ummm...   Things That Should Be Beaten To Death With  A Sock Full Of Shit!

 

***looks at clock***

 

Things That Betray Their Constituents!

180 Primary Rubio for what he is doing but you vote third party you kill America

Is America worth saving? What for? So the FSA can keep getting their FS?

181

>>"They don't care what we want, say, think and do." Posted by: Lady in Black at June 20, 2013 11:26 AM (ovWeo)

 

 

 

 

Correct. They have absorbed the "you have no alternative but vote for us" mentality and arrogance beyond the point of reform.

 

They're more afraid of what the leftist media thinks of them than they are what we will do to them at the voting booth. It's a sickness.

182 176 Jeb Bush is a real stinker. I hope they sink that junk before he sails.

Posted by: RiverC at June 20, 2013 11:36 AM (El+h4)

Better get used to him or Rubio because the GOP presidential candidate in 2016 will be somebody who speaks Spanish.

183 Good post Drew. Totally agree.

184 It’s time to stop buying into the scare tactics of…”The Democrats are worse”. It might be true but that doesn’t mean that the Republicans are the answer.

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In addition, the fine eye for detail will note that both McCain and Romney lost.  It is not pragmatic to support RINOs because RINOs don't win.

185

16 "Punish people in primaries IF WE CAN HOLD THE SEAT ANYWAY. But stop pissing away seats in purple staes and districts in the name of "purity".

 

Well, you can't punish people in the primaries because the GOP maneuvers well enough to get their guy into the general.  You've got to figure out how to take over the local GOP, then the state GOP to have that kind of effect.  But that could take years and cost millions of lives.  No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

186 Apparently, New England Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez is being followed on the interstate in Massachusetts as he rides in a white SUV.

Ah, the classics.

187 To be honest, my red line is already crossed. I'm just waiting for the militias to form and the plan to be hashed out for retaking the capital by force. While this is happening in the background if the Tea Party can get Washington to pull back from the edge, no action may be necessary.

188 Posted by: Caiwyn at June 20, 2013 11:34 AM (MmZIj) --Definitely a fascinating alternate timeline.

189 173 Warden,

Yup...do recall my non sleep glee at the Ryan pick....

I REALLY thought they'd confront the elephant in the room...

instead Mitt Romney ran as "nicer more competent Obama".....

fuck 'em I'm done....

not one more NE RiNO ever

190 O/T This can not be good. Just got email from State Dept with travel warning for Israel. Hmmm?

191 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 20, 2013 11:37 AM (CJjw5) *slides over tray of blondes and some whipped cream*

192 I keep seeing comments like "teach those Republicans a lesson" and whatnot.  Yes, they suck but we absolutely cannot allow the democrats to continue to transform this country into a socialist nightmare to "teach the Republicans a lesson".  Too many assholes stayed home because Romney wasn't conservative enough and look what we got.    Scandals, lies and the implementation of Obamacare.  I saw person after person proclaim they would never vote for Romney, long after he was the nominee.  And of course, it appeared after the election that we lost because republicans stayed home.  Unfortunately, our choices are giant douche and turd sandwich, but the turd sandwich is so obviously worse.

193 So I shouldn't even vote for genuinely conservative Republicans? I should be actively working to destroy the Republican Party? I mean, if that's what we're saying, then let's just say it clearly. In the general? Go ahead. If Republicans actually start selecting conservatives (who then act conservative), they can win back my support. But in the primaries (for closed primary states- so, not Texas), you have to make a stand. Continuing to support the Republican Party- even via registration- signals to them that you agree with them. Do you agree with them? Do you agree with McConnell, Boehner, Graham, McCain, and Rubio? Because those 5 (more or less) ARE the party.

194 Another poor black man being chased at slow speed in a white SUV?  Is OJ available for comment?

195 not one more NE RiNO ever Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 20, 2013 11:38 AM (LRFds) CRUZ! He scares the shit out of the MSM. Perry with brains!

196 Jeb Bush is a real stinker. I hope they sink that junk before he sails.


At this point, who gives a shit. Jeb, Huntsman -- hey, why don't we give McCain another shot!

197 The cry will always be…”But the Democrat is worse!”

This is precisely the "flip-side" of what is fed to the Black community

The cry will always be…”But the Republican is worse!”

198 Romney wasn't going to win, Matt.

Do you understand that?

199 Well I'm late to this thread, but... I'm too (l) libertarian to be a "good" Republican and too (r) republican to be a "good" Libertarian. So I've always said I was an (I) Independent.  And yes, I have lines that I will not cross to vote.  Guns, borders... things like that there.

200 Bullshit. The problem is that Go to ELEVENTY!1!11!!1! issues are in fact different for everyone. I didn't have any or enough of those with Romney, which makes me a RINO in some eyes. To that I respond with a hearty Go F Yourself, I voted for Buchanan in the 92 primary. Romney would have been a brilliant economic President on his own merits, and God knows he'd have done a better job than Obama. But he isn't President because enough people stayed home b/c of their pet issues...the numbers are pretty clear on that. My response to this nonsense will be to vote against Rubio in the primary. There is no way in hell that I won't do what I can to keep Charlie Crist from going to the Senate when it comes to the general. Making yourself a martyr might make you feel better, but you're still dead.

201

Fuck  these pieces of rat-

 

Oooooo!  Blondies!

202

Hmmm... I can remember when I was told that if I didn't stop advocating for a third party, and shut up and vote for McCain... I was a Traitor to the United States...

 

By nature, training, and profession, I am a systems Analyst.  I diagnose failures in large Data system, and have been doing it for (crap) 35 years.

 

After awhile you get a feel for when a system is close to cascade failure... when that last stress is put on the system, which overwhelms the built in fault tolerance of the system.

 

We've been there for awhile.  Its a combination of the Fed Res making it a NEGATIVE to save money (Inflation greater than Interest), the Regulatory State run by Mandarins, and the insular Washington culture which no longer represents average America.

 

The Republican party has been part of the destruction of our way of life.  Nixon?  EPA.  Bush 43? DHS.. Bush 41? American with Disabilities Act... all entities which are given the ability to write regulations which have the force of Law... or to choose which Laws to enforce.

 

John McCain was PART of the Problem... not the solution... and I feel like Cassandra trying to tell the Princes of Troy not to take that Sea Voyage to Sparta...

203

I have the same red lines as you, Drew...and the GOP is about to cross both of them.

 

I have the feeling the Libertarian Party might get enough votes in the next couple elections to no longer be considered a joke.

204 Matt types faster than I do. What he said.

205 196 Matt,

Marco Rubio is setting the socialist march to easy mode for team Jackass Matt...

I cannot put it any simpler than that....

our 20088 candidate and his wing of the GOP are going top turn Texas blue if we don't perform a miracle...

shit you think relying on Ohio being red was sporty you just wait until we have to fight for Texas...

it's over the best case scenario for the Constitution and Bill of Rights Locke and Smith is breakup IMHO...

206 Oh, yeah. I'm still getting her the ring. Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 20, 2013 11:39 AM (tWmgi) Good man!

207 my red line?

 when i finally grew up I decided to vote republican as I was under the impression They were the Party of fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility , Follow the Law, stay out of trouble work hard .

Now i find they are not anything as i thought. They reward just as progressives do, breaking the law, living off the backs or others A.O.K. eggs broken in their actions?

who cares !

sovereignty and specialness of the country ,

only when it suits them .

Posted by: willow at June 20, 2013 11:32 AM (nqBYe)

red line ?

means don't lie to me, Don't say you stand for freedom, while helping shackle those  attempting to raise themselves up out of poverty.  by glutting the market with easier to manage cheap labor.

don't lie to me that being a sovereign country  is not necessary  to growth and fiscal health of the country, don't lie to me that you told us in our youth working hard , being a good citizen following laws was the way  to succeed in life , while minimizing our efforts and stealing the future.

Don't lie by saying breaking the law is wrong, while rewarding those that break the law, and kicking those trying to be responsible citizens to the curb.

208 Again, please set out for me what the Republicans have accomplished on the federal level since 2008.

Why we cut $337 million from the budget one year.

*cries*

209 tray of blondes

I am shopping at all the wrong stores.

210 I'd love for everyone who reflexively shouts "PurityBrigade!!!" to show, precisely one (1) single victory the Right has achieved in holding our noses out of so-called "pragmatism".

211

Did you have them set your hand in Fap Position

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You mean there are Other positions?

212

Here's the deal on getting good candidates at least where I am. I became a precinct captain for the 2010 elections and found out in a hurry that party rules prevent new blood from getting in, even when people were screaming for the tea party people, they got shut out.

 

We had that situation in my county when a supervisor position was "in place" for the next R's turn.  So, we had a feisty older broad who refused to accept that.  She went door to door,  in jungle-like heat and humidity, and talk to any voter who answered the door.  She won.  And promptly became a RINO.

213 The Libertarian party is also small enough and non-established enough for individuals to influence its positions.

214 Olympia Snowe and Obamacare. That right there is the crux. The damned abomination should have been bottled up in committee for eternity. Now it's death panels as far as the NSA satellite eyes can see.

215 I have the feeling the Libertarian Party might get enough votes in the next couple elections to no longer be considered a joke.

 

Posted by: DRayRaven at June 20, 2013 11:41 AM (9YRwm)

 

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And A Paul Shall  Lead Them.

 

How did you type that with a straight face?  You can't get three Libertarians  to agree on anything besides "Weed Good."

216 Too many assholes stayed home because Romney wasn't conservative enough and look what we got. 1) That's still BS no matter how many times you say it. 2) "Die slower" is not a good option. If the Burning Times are inevitable, let's stop eviting them. On the other hand, if simply saying "no more" and proving it with our votes (say in 2014?) is what it takes to wake up the Republicans and get them really fighting for us, I'm willing to do that. Your path still leads to the Burning Times. It just means that its our children and grandchildren who have to deal with it, instead of us stepping up and doing it.

217 I was going to write a large post on why Drew's bitching hasn't gotten annoying since the election and the absurdity of  him having a place in this blog now that he admits he doesn't care about our side having political victories but "The Diddy" in #204 said it better then I could (Though I gladly back Rubio as my guy in 2016 - for now). Many dittos and major applause for you sir/ma'am.

218

I think its too late, really.  The Republic is done;  we,  meaning all Americans,  threw it away with both hands.  

219 9 I remain registered as a R, because closed primaries. Get good candidates in the primaries, and you won't have to hold your nose. That's been my rationale for years, but I'm in a deep blue state so it matters too little. We don't get good candidates and even if we did, they wouldn't win anyway. I'm done with the Repukes.

220 My "red line" has been crossed so many times it's a big pink fuzzy cotton-candy like blob now.

Time to build a wall - and to get to the wall you have to get past the electrified fence and crocodile moat.

Jerks.

221

For those with skill sets in demand and no baggage, emmigrate.

 

You would be surprised how many Americans have already left.

222 I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part! Posted by: Eric "Otter" Stratford at June 20, 2013 11:38 AM (PYAXX) I thought that's what I did when I voted for Romney. Still waiting to hear about those federal legislative successes apart from the defeat of gun control. Again, I am not being bitchy about this. Please, I am begging you, provide for me actual accomplishments that would demonstrate why I should continue to support the Republican party on a federal level. For those in we can primary people out camp, I have provided three examples where that strategy was followed only to result in a betrayal by the elected official once in office. Please set out the counter examples. I want to believe. I truly do. So give me the evidence upon which to base that belief.

223 Is it too early to start liquor drinks? The wine is running low.

224 >So, what are your red lines? Any restrictions on my 2nd Amendment rights Taxing me to give money to people who won't work Letting illegal aliens have driver's licenses, health benefits, school tuition, etc Voting for ANY tax increase Voting AGAINST budget cuts Giving aid and comfort to America's enemies Finally, if you have a funny name, you can't be President.

225
Here is the most amazing part to me.  We have the most marxist, worst president ever losing support due to all the scandals and lies starting to build up, obamacare about to implode in 6 months and the GOP is going to HAND HIM ALL THE VOTES HE NEEDS TO GET NANCY PELOSI THE SPEAKERSHIP.  Not to mention his "legacy" achievement.

If you don't think these people aren't working together against you and traditional Americans and American history, there is no way we can agree.

226

CRUZ! He scares the shit out of the MSM.

 

Perry with brains!

 

 

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 20, 2013 11:40 AM (wR+pz)

 

 

Cruz was born in Canada... the Democrats and Media will suddenly 'discover' that little thing in the Constitution which says 'Natural Born Citizen' if he runs.

 

Do not underestimate the ability for Democrats to be Hypocrits.

227 Looks like the Patriots have a controversial hellraiser on their roster. Yup, Time Tebow. If Timothy Richard would just kill someone, he'd be in our good graces.

228 193 O/T This can not be good. Just got email from State Dept with travel warning for Israel. Hmmm? --- Honestly, my initial reaction is "Anti-Israeli Foggy Bottom bastards." The only country I could see making a push against Israel right now is Egypt and I don't see it ending well for them if they try it.

229 Amnesty Gun Control Atc has it right. How can you know? You listen to ' no compromise' promises over and over and they do the exact opposite. You can go back and listen to every GOP campaign ad and it's "seal the borders first"..and now?? Liars all.

230 So are any of you "Fuck America, destroy the place!" morons are going to help me find a place to stay alive during the Burning Times, or do I deserve to be slaughtered along with the FSA for not being pure enough to throw molotov cocktails with you?

I want to save everything I can and when I study history I see that it's very, very hard to pull a country back from disaster once it is far down that path.

There's no Marshall Plan, just vultures to pick our bones.

231 I have no idea where the bo for a nick came from. I wasn't trying to sock.

232 219 EoJ,

they're about to win on weed...

maybe if enough Constitutional types infiltrate we can bend it to good

233 I'm only one man, garrett. That's not technically the bottleneck, you know. >.> <.< ...just sayin'. /hops in autogyro and flies to theoretical safety

234 You all will vote for Jeb Bush or whatever retread we run out there, and you'll like it. Don't forget to donate!

235 Better get used to him or Rubio because the GOP presidential candidate in 2016 will be somebody who speaks Spanish. Posted by: joncelli at June 20, 2013 11:37 AM (RD7QR) Perry speaks Spanish, doesn't he?

236 They haven't even  disallowed the massive debt increase every year.

who has control of the purse strings?

who has control to fund those govt depts harassing citizens and burdening everyone  with  new Laws, Obamacare  and regulations and laws that have become overwhelming when attempting for youth to get on their feet?

237 198 Another poor black man being chased at slow speed in a white SUV? Is OJ available for comment? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 20, 2013 11:39 AM (FRe+O) I'm not black, I just look like it because of the craptastic ink.

238 234 Ms Radish,

The United States was a damn near paradiose we lost...I'm not sure we deserve a Marshall plan I don't think enough of us grasp our idiocy....

it's gonna burn and implode ma'am...

you prefer a flashfire or a nice 45 year roasting?

Those are your choices

239 I was going to write a large post on why Drew's bitching hasn't gotten annoying since the election and the absurdity of him having a place in this blog now that he admits he doesn't care about our side having political victories but "The Diddy" in #204 said it better then I could (Though I gladly back Rubio as my guy in 2016 - for now). Many dittos and major applause for you sir/ma'am.

 

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 20, 2013 11:43 AM (yAor6)

 

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Yeah, but that's  because you're a Puerto  Rican.  If Rubio succeeds, you get to jump  the line and become an American.    You're a nice guy and  I understand this  desire, but I cannot condone it.

240 one more President like obama with a democratic Senate and Congress and not much else will matter. Not red lines, the Long Grey Line, and not that line in the sand.

241 Being drunk every day for the next 3.5 years is starting to look good.

Blondes?  Yum!

242 131 Name one thing the Democrats did (without Republicans) in, say, the last 25 years that is demonstrably worse than what they've done with Republican support, or that Republicans have done on their own. What have the Republicans done that's worse than Obamacare? Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 20, 2013 11:29 AM (ZKzrr) Upholding obamacare in court. Not making every bill in the house include a repeal of Obamacare. Governors beginning to implement obamacare.

243 My red line is marijuana. * * * * Really. Srsly? Really? Our entire Constitution is being ripped to shreds and your red line is a common ditch weed no stronger than beer?

244 My red line is abortion. You can't defend the right to life? You don't get my vote.

245 Apparently, New England Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez is being followed on the interstate in Massachusetts as he rides in a white SUV.

Hernandez is wanted for questioning about a dead body found in a car registered to him which was that of a man from his entourage.


This makes it into this thread because the chase will likely preempt any coverage of the RINO sellout on the immigration bill.

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OJ Part Duh??

 

246 Do not underestimate the ability for Democrats to be Hypocrits. Posted by: Romeo13 at June 20, 2013 11:44 AM (lZBBB) We've been over this before. That is not a problem. McCain was born in Panama.

247 How did you type that with a straight face? You can't get three Libertarians to agree on anything besides "Weed Good."

 

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 20, 2013 11:43 AM (CJjw5)

 

 

Not even that... theres a difference between saying legalize it because prohibition does not work and its costing us too much to try to enforce... and saying it is 'good'...

248 just got a super secret survey from JOHN BOEHNER!!!!

249 Again, please set out for me what the Republicans have accomplished on the federal level since 2008.

Try 2001. Let's remember what was passed under the last Republican president:
- Sarbanes-Oxley
- McCain-Feingold
- The creation of the TSA
- The banning of incandescent light bulbs
- A 100% expansion in the budget of the Department of Education
- Two attempts to pass Amnesty
- The Prescription Drug Entitlement
- Deficit increased by $4.9 Trillion

250
♪ Red, red li-i-ine
Step over i-i-it
Make me upset ♫

251 Democrats are HypoTwits.

252

I was happy when I moved to NH, because awesome I have Ayotte now, no more sell out Brown or Kerry. Then she does THIS.

 

Did you see this?  http://bit.ly/11pAA0L

253 You can't get three Libertarians to agree on anything besides "Weed Good." Hey, man, why you singling out herb? Freedom means legal peyote and opium too, man. Or are you one of them faux-Libertarians, dude? *cough cough* *eats moonpie*

254 Going forward my plan is to always vote against my R's during the primary, even if i have to write me in. We need to minimize their sense of job security on their right.

255 the survey starts out with.....help support the GOP! and goes on to ask how much i'll be sending..........Dear Lord.....

256 I mostly agree. But I'll tell you one thing - whenever GOP candidates lose elections they don't ask themselves (and the consultants won't tell them) how they can win over the base. They will forever kvetch about winning over some minority group or people in the "center" etc, while decrying how "extreme" the right has become and spouting some nonsense about how Reagan couldn't be elected in the current political climate.

257 "If Rubio succeeds, you get to jump the line and become an American."

Puerto Ricans citizens are American citizens bud, I voted in 2008, 2010, and 2012. I am an American.

258

So are any of you "Fuck America, destroy the place!" morons are going to help me find a place to stay alive during the Burning Times, or do I deserve to be slaughtered along with the FSA for not being pure enough to throw molotov cocktails with you?

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There's always room for those who can cook  and drink  beer  at the EoJ  compound.

259 So are any of you "Fuck America, destroy the place!" morons are going to help me find a place to stay alive during the Burning Times, or do I deserve to be slaughtered along with the FSA for not being pure enough to throw molotov cocktails with you? Drive on down to Texas. I'm sure one of the Texas 'Rons would help you out.

260 I guess my red line is national security.  We've got unsecured borders, cuts to the military, idiotic foreign policy.  This is suicide.

P.S.  Old and busted:  Never negotiate with terrorists.
New Hotness: Beg terrorists to negotiate with us.

261

We've got to stop relying on the national GOP structure because 1) they are unreliable and 2) they are beholden to big-government rent-seeking interests.

 

Those in Washington bubble doesn't listen to us and don't give a s**t about us.

 

We need to take over a national party. Get involved in your local Republican Liberty Caucus (if  you don't have one, start one). In Los Angeles, we took over a majority of the Executive Board in 2012, we will have a majority on the entire Executive Committee in 2014. Then we will take over the state party.

 

If we were a state, we'd be the 10th largest delegation.

 

It's slow but it's the only way we can see of reforming the GOP and prying it from the grasp of the corporate donors.

262 We've been over this before. That is not a problem. McCain was born in Panama.

 

 

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 20, 2013 11:47 AM (wR+pz)

 

He was born on American soil... on an Army base... Canada is a whole other country.... which makes him a de facto Dual Citizen at Birth... which is why the Founders put that in the Constitution in the first place... they wanted no possible legal or moral obligations due to the citizenship of the Commander in Chief.

 

I LOVE Cruz... but Rules are Rules...

263 Well played, Drew.  If Rubio or Paul are the GOP nominee in 2016, I will sit home.  Nothing either of them can do will redeem them in my eyes.

That said, I fear many republicans will forgive them by year's end.

264 Posted by: gwelf at June 20, 2013 11:49 AM (TJ8HB) Thus the need for a 3rd Party.

265 "You can't get three Libertarians to agree on anything besides "Weed Good." Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 20, 2013 11:43 AM (CJjw5)" In fairness, it appears you can't get three Republicans to agree on anything besides "Democrats Bad".

266

The only real solution I see is some kind of separation. Texas and whichever other states that want to live free just need to up and walk away and leave the socialists to rot in their own schemes. Many of us would have to relocate, but I just don't see the FSA giving up voting for a living.

Once the burning starts, I think this will become more of a possibility than it may now appear.

 

This.  Remember the Russian who years ago predicted the U.S. would self-divide into five regions?  More and more, I think he was on to something.  Leviathan is too big.  I'd be all for regionalizing into smaller, more accountable govt. 

267

 "If Rubio succeeds, you get to jump the line and become an American."

Puerto Ricans citizens are American citizens bud, I voted in 2008, 2010, and 2012. I am an American.

 

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 20, 2013 11:49 AM (yAor6)

 

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That's ridiculous.  I can see you've already bought into the amnesty hype.

268 So are any of you "Fuck America, destroy the place!" morons are going to help me find a place to stay alive during the Burning Times, or do I deserve to be slaughtered along with the FSA for not being pure enough to throw molotov cocktails with you?

I have no expectation of surviving the burning.

That doesn't change its necessity.

269 /shrug There won't be real change in anything until a crisis of some kind slaps our citizenry. Electing Democrats through either not participating or going third party would certainly accelerate that process. My worry is that in the meantime you allow Democrats to not only run the show but fundamentally alter the way this Republic operates, in the way that Augustus altered the Roman Republic. He kept the forms but underneath it was all just a show. You may let it burn so much that no real restoration is possible.

270

>>"Too many assholes stayed home because Romney wasn't conservative enough and look what we got."

 

 

 

The sick and fearful tautology of a dying party, in a nutshell.

271 In fairness, it appears you can't get three Republicans to agree on anything besides "Democrats Bad". Often not even that. So Arlen Specter tells me.

272 234 So are any of you "Fuck America, destroy the place!" morons are going to help me find a place to stay alive during the Burning Times, or do I deserve to be slaughtered along with the FSA for not being pure enough to throw molotov cocktails with you? Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 20, 2013 11:45 AM (ZKzrr) First: the Let It Burn crowd is about taking responsibility sooner, rather than pushing it off to our kids & grandkids. We aren't agitating for violence (at least not most of us). We are accepting that Demographics are Destiny. Second: Sack-up, Heather. It's everyone's job to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. That said, if you showed up on my doorstep in the Burning Times, if you could pull your weight, I'd give you shelter.

273 Hollowpoint, you realize at the rate we're going we're going to have to primary pretty much every R currently in congress?

No, I don't.  IF that were true I'd riding the Ineffectual Whine Train next to Drew.

Almost every time someone complains about "The GOP", it turns out that they're complaining about a minority of individual Republicans.  Fine, deal with them.

Fantasies about some mythical True Conservative Purity Party rising from the ashes is nothing more than idealistic masturbation over something that will never, ever happen.

274 So so sorry to you losers who had me in your fantasy keeper leagues LOL

275 "Still waiting to hear about those federal legislative successes apart from the defeat of gun control." This is usually the place where JeffB ducks out too.

276 Srsly? Really? Our entire Constitution is being ripped to shreds and your red line is a common ditch weed no stronger than beer?

Posted by: GuyWhoDoesntGiveAFuck

Smoked some stuff back in the seventies at a few parties. It made me thirsty, so I drank beer. Realized I like beer better, plus you can drink it about anywhere you want.

277 "I can see you've already bought into the amnesty hype."

I'm against the current immigration bill and have been unhappy w/ Rubio for not backing down on it. You got anything else?

278

Drew...

You can now call yourself a "Crispian" as in, we few, we proud, we abandoned conservatives" who vote principled as opposed to partied. I did not vote for McCain. Third. I did not vote Romney. Third. I gave up in 2006 and although I donated money to Scott Brown, I have not done it again. These spineless bastards are ruining the USA and voting them out is key. Before I die, I hope.

279

just got a super secret survey from JOHN BOEHNER!!!!

 

Along with a plea    for money.

 

The only part they'll read is the amount on your check.  They've made it crystal clear they don't care about anything but power.

280

We have the government we voted for and, soon I suspect, we will have the third world economy we should expect.

 

 

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 20, 2013 11:49 AM (OWjjx)

 

We are seeing the EXACT scenario the Founders did not want to happen... that History SHOWS happens to Democracies.... we are just in the end time.

281 I'm 3 years as a Perm. Resident in Canada now, and I never would have thought I'd say this, but I'll likely put in for citizenship here. 10 years ago, when my wife wanted me to move here, I said I'd never live in a Socialist state. Freedom is too important. I'll never subject myself to government healthcare. My how things change. Unfortunately, once things turn to shit in the US, Canada has no ability to protect its own border. However, given the proclivity of most Canadians to look down on Americans, I suspect the political will may just manifest itself. In the meantime, the Mexicans are giving up on shitholes like NYS and moving up here now.

282 How many losses does the moderate, establishment GOP have to deal us before they get the picture?

283 Spoken like a true brat. It's not a perfect world and the Democrats ARE demonstably worse.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at June 20, 2013 11:25 AM (9WjP7)

I'm sure our Founding Fathers had the same said about them, along with anybody that's ever upset the applecart.  But you will soon see why Drew and others are making the choices they are - I am close to that point myself.  If Amnesty is passed by the Senate and House, I'm done.  I recall the parable about throwing pearls before swine and how that analogy fits to our efforts and the republican party.  No it's not a perfect world, but they are clearly not listening to us writing, emailing, faxing, calling, etc.  How else can we send a message short of secession and/or revolution?  At least Drew's idea is peaceful. 

284 http://youtu.be/vHiku239PzY

For the Morons like EC in need of something positive

285 Being drunk every day for the next 3.5 years is starting to look good.

**



This is the sad part.



These cocksuckers, suck the life right of of you. What makes them think I want to take on any civic responsibility now? After they've pissed allover everything I believe in??  I'm just gonna tune out.  I have no kids, a good job, my bills get paid, I'm gonna enjoy my life....fuck em' it's ALL about me, me, me, me now. Fuck them, fuck it all.

 

286 So are any of you "Fuck America, destroy the place!" morons are going to help me find a place to stay alive during the Burning Times, or do I deserve to be slaughtered along with the FSA for not being pure enough to throw molotov cocktails with you? --- Hey, I suggested a move down here several times but you kept shooting it down due to distance from your family, amongst other things.

287 197 - But how do we get genuinely conservative candidates in the general if we boycott the primaries (as in, not registered Republican, so can't vote in closed primaries)?

288 "You can't get three Libertarians to agree on anything besides "Weed Good." _______________ That's idiotic.

289

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 20, 2013 11:46 AM (CJjw5)

 

?!

Puerto Ricans are already American Citizens. There's no line to jump there.

290 If the Republican voters who stayed home or voted for Democrats in 2006 had instead involved themselves in the primary process we would not have ObamaCare. Same goes for the stimulus, the SCOAMT's foreign policy, and a host of other issues.

291 "Fantasies about some mythical True Conservative Purity Party rising from the ashes is nothing more than idealistic masturbation over something that will never, ever happen."

amen. 3rd parties are lucky if they get 1% nationally. The libs took over the Democrat Party "establishment" and did so by bouncing back after a tough 2004 lost that they thought was theirs. Instead of us pushing forward after a tough close lost in 2012 we're trying to pat anyone on the back who can say how we can best just give up and let the left take over.

292 Well played, Drew. If Rubio or Paul are the GOP nominee in 2016, I will sit home. Nothing either of them can do will redeem them in my eyes.
That said, I fear many republicans will forgive them by year's end.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 20, 2013 11:50 AM (kFnmp)

As I said earlier, I fully expect Rube to latch onto Tax Reform or some other conservative hot button to justify the Hannity Excuse ("He's good on everything else.")

I also expect him to fall flat on his face. Though I am amused by the prospect of him begging Schumer and Durbin to support his next inititiative, and the two of them laughing as they leave a five on the dresser and sneer, "Keep it, whore, it's all you're worth."

293 "And for those of you new around here, this is the monthly Drew M 2 minute of hate post about the GOP. Lots of angst, very little substance."

heh

294

Posted by: krakatoa at June 20, 2013 11:52 AM (5NhEO)

 

I can brew delicious beer. (Biology degree is good for something.)

And given proper tools, I'm not bad at growing things.

Is that enough?

295 256

Jesus christ. Too bad the video doesn't have the whole confrontation from the start, otherwise the police can basically say whatever they want and probably get away with it witnesses or otherwise.

296 Let's just be perfectly honest and admit that as the counrtry drifts more and more leftward (which it is...I don't buy that it's still center-right) conservatives will become further and further marginalized, which is exactly what we're seeing. Our red lines simply won't matter as the "center" expands, where such lines don't exist.

297 Here's the deal on getting good candidates at least where I am. I became a precinct captain for the 2010 elections and found out in a hurry that party rules prevent new blood from getting in, even when people were screaming for the tea party people, they got shut out. They'll take your money and your vote and your volunteer work, but not your ideas or candidates.

Screw the GOP. Their mascot should be a whipping boy for the Dems.
**********
Same where I live. We have a large and organized tea party group but the GOP is completely entrenched. All our work was for nothing, we can't even get a toe-hold with the local power structure, let alone the county or state levels. Oh, they let us go door-to-door in 2010 and 2012 as they have no people on the ground but we get nowhere.

298 My red line, already crossed (by Romney in the debates): intervention in a foreign county to support Islamists. Amnesty will be another one.

299 OT: Helicopters were following Hernandez's car, thinking he was going to turn himself in. Followed it all the way to.....football practice! Hahahahaha!

300 How many losses does the moderate, establishment GOP have to deal us before they get the picture?

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 20, 2013 11:53 .....Apparently allot.

301 I'm done with the Republicans.

2014 will be my first vote (in 30+ years) that won't be straight R ticket. 

It will be straight Constitution Party ticket.

302 287 I'm 3 years as a Perm. Resident in Canada now, and I never would have thought I'd say this, but I'll likely put in for citizenship here. ____________________________ I've been seriously thinking of moving to Canada as well. At least Canada is honest about its socialism and everyone gets "free" health care and everyone pays high taxes. In the US we have socialism, but if you're "rich", ie you work, you don;t get fuck all yet have to pay for it all.

303 If EoJ wrote Henry V's St Crispian's day speech, the English would have been equally motivated. However they might have learned some very novel obscenities unknown to Shakespeare.

304 "If the Republican voters who stayed home or voted for Democrats in 2006 had instead involved themselves in the primary process we would not have ObamaCare. Same goes for the stimulus, the SCOAMT's foreign policy, and a host of other issues.:"

*ding *ding* we got a winner. But no, let's keep patting those on the back who keep helping the left's job easier via political elections.

305

And for those of you new around here, this is the monthly Drew M 2 minute of hate post about the GOP. Lots of angst, very little substance.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 20, 2013 11:53 AM (OWjjx)

 

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Also, if  you're new here,  he's the same one claiming that of course raising the debt ceiling must  happen because It Is Not The Hill To Die On, and we  would see that, if we didn't suck at math.  Or  something.

 

Now, he's  George Washington, crossing the Delaware with his balls  of oak  clacking together.  It can get very confusing.

306 For 4 years, I worked with the Tennessee GOP to help them gain control of the TN Legislature. I am a gun rights activist--it is THE reason I was involved, and they knew it. When we FINALLY won and took control for the first time since reconstruction, one of the folks me and my group worked closely with was selected as the #2 in party leadership in the TN House. SOOPER EXCITED!! Then, she started killing all our bills. Bills that she said she supported, and had in fact voted for in the past (but were killed by the Democrat Majority). When confronted, this is what she said: "It's not like you're all of a sudden going to start voting Democrat over this." She soon learned that she was right. Voters didn't switch parties over this single issue. Instead, we primaried her ass and won BIG TIME: http://tinyurl.com/m2fdcvy Food for thought.

307 "The only way to reform the GOP is to stop rewarding it for selling out on basic principles. Even if you support amnesty (and there are conservatives who do), I would think that expanding the disaster that is ObamaCare is a red line we should all agree not to cross. And yetÂ…"

This problem exists because there are sizable numbers of people that are SUPPOSED to be on our side of the aisle who are more than willing to eat the next shit sandwich that is offered up by the Republican Party. We are told incessantly that eating the shit sandwich is a must, yet ever more ground is lost to liberals over time because the shit sandwich that we threw our support behind resulted in the compromising away of principles that are important to actual conservatives.

308 Fuck 'em.

309 Here's the thing, if establishment Republicans 'lose' a Presidential election they will 'win' professionally because the Democratic Party will always seek to expand and enrich and empower government. Which includes the GOP Senators and Representatives who will win their ideologically less diverse states. It's a rigged game. When you voted for Bush and won, you got... a larger and more intrusive government every year. When you voted for McCain and lost you got... a larger and more intrusive government each year. If you refuse to vote for anyone you'll get... a larger and more intrusive government each year. It's a rigged game. It's silly to pretend otherwise. Don't play it. If freedom matters most, freedom can be found.

310 #NameSomethingRepublicansAreGoodAt Losing Elections.

311 George Washington, crossing the Delaware with his balls of oak Wait. He ate with his sack??

312 307 OT: Helicopters were following Hernandez's car, thinking he was going to turn himself in. Followed it all the way to.....football practice! Hahahahaha! --- Watch them hover over the practice and call it "a tense standoff" for ratings purposes.

313

That giant "cracking" sound you heard was the splitting off of more conservatives to a different party.

 

It's either that or drink the Kool-aid and pick up your O-phone/EBT card/O-care bennies. Then sit on a park bench picking imaginary butterflies out of the air until the death squads haul you off to the Soylent Green plant. 

 

More Doom posts please.

314 I'm 2 steps past - I don't trust that ANY non-communist election result will ever be announced until a Constitutional Convention finishes. You registered Independent as if your vote will actually be tabulated. I know that our votes never will be anymore.

315 In the intervening 10 year period, while Democrats then wipe out the Republican party and turn the entire system into a self-sustaining political machine, I'm sure this new party will really be effective at holding protests and might even win a couple of state or local positions.

316

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 20, 2013 11:55 AM (yAor6)

 

The Reform Party of Ross Perot... and the Whigs.. disagree....

317 Food for thought: Liberals, moderates, and conservatives agree - We all HATE the Republican Party.

Given that the Republican brand is so toxic, wouldn't it be better just to get rid of it and start over?

318 319 George Washington, crossing the Delaware with his balls of oak Wait. He ate with his sack?? --- I think those may have belonged to Martha. My MIL cooks Martha Washington balls every Christmas. I finally had to ask her if she meant they were supposed to be George's instead.

319 298 ArthurLMendez,

nice fantasy you have there of the media allowing us the cover they give the democrats to sucker the moderates....

sorry ALM I'll put my "good soldier for the GOP" street cred up against anyone's....

they pass this amnesty shit in the House and owngoal on reconciliation I'll give just as much a fuck about the nation as Obama

Patriotism was never supposed to be about the geography it was the ideal.....

and the ideal has been raped to the point that the ideal's ass can act as a new Lincoln Tunnel

320 *ding *ding* we got a winner. But no, let's keep patting those on the back who keep helping the left's job easier via political elections. You mean the GOP politicians who keep shitting on the base and acting surprised when turnout is low?

321 307 OT: Helicopters were following Hernandez's car, thinking he was going to turn himself in. Followed it all the way to.....football practice! Hahahahaha! Posted by: Tami at June 20, 2013 11:56 AM (X6akg) SEC!

322 "Now, he's George Washington, crossing the Delaware with his balls of oak clacking together. It can get very confusing."

Okay, THIS I agree so much w/ EOJ on.At least we know Malor is consistent, Drew is either playing the "establishment" guy gimmick or He's the brave revolutionary that is crying out how the GOP must be stopped before we take on the Dems. I use to like Drew a lot but he seems to have decided to have confused himself the last year. Now I dread his posts.

323

Letting the Repubs burn down seems a legitimate way of forcing the remaining remnants to wake up. The problem is that doing so will amount to a doubly-apocalyptic hit to the nation when the Dems actually reach their goal of clearing the field of all opposition. It'll only be them and We The People, and I don't think there are enough of us to fight the resulting runaway tyranny should it ever be so completely unleashed. The Obama Effect isn't going to disappear after he's gone from office; his legions will remain in the government and the Republic's destruction will accelerate. We don't need a weaker R party, we need a stronger one, and that begins with primaries. I believe the message can be sent by making examples of Rubio and his ilk. I mean, we knew about McCain and Grahamnesty; we had no idea Rubio was a plant. We have to punish him severely by laying waste to his political aspirations and dumping him like the lying piece o' crap he has turned out to be. Reduce him to a muttering hobo and then leave him to Ace's tender mercies. I'll even buy the Valu-Rite.

 

It's time to wipe the place clean of the rats like Rubio and Ayotte, not burn it down. That would just be playing right into their hands.

324 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 20, 2013 11:46 AM (CJjw5)

?!
Puerto Ricans are already American Citizens. There's no line to jump there.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 20, 2013 11:54 AM (GaqMa)

 

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Shhh.  I do this to Mendez every 6 months or so, and he can't  seem to remember.  This  was one of my favorite ways to spool  up my Puerto Rican  Army buddies.  They would freak the fuck out when you told them they weren't Americans.

 

"If  you're American, how come that isn't an  American flag hanging from your rearview mirror?  Hmm?  You know who flies foreign flags?  FOREIGNERS.

 

Ah, ah ah!   Don't even try to argue  with  the facts, amigo."

325 288 How many losses does the moderate, establishment GOP have to deal us before they get the picture? Picture? What fucking picture? Gerald Ford and I were GREAT!

326 My MIL cooks Martha Washington balls every Christmas. I finally had to ask her if she meant they were supposed to be George's instead. I love American history.

327 I can brew delicious beer... Posted by: tsrblke at June 20, 2013 11:56 AM (GaqMa) You had me at "beer".

328 "You mean the GOP politicians who keep shitting on the base and acting surprised when turnout is low?"

Everyone shits on the base these day according to you people. Pretty soon not even Cruz will be good enough.

329

Posted by: wizardpc at June 20, 2013 11:57 AM (hWJMZ)

 

This is a good point, perhaps we all need to become involved in our local parties more often, and putting together good primaries as well.

At the presidential level I'm not sure the long drawn out primary system helps us, however a "long drawn out" primary would look a hell of a lot different at the congressional and even the senate level (magnified at the state level.)

Currently our politicians are hardly held accountable, they live in gerrymandered districts and no one dares compete against them.

If they had fear for their jobs, maybe they'd try harder.

330 If the Republican voters who stayed home or voted for Democrats in 2006
had instead involved themselves in the primary process we would not have
ObamaCare.

Wrong.  You would have had 'just enough' Repubs to pass obamcare.  You would have had those 'primary winners' vote yes on all the big Dem issues.

But listen, the GOP only beats you because they love you.  You should stick with them, they promise not to do it again.

331 OT: Helicopters were following Hernandez's car, thinking he was going to turn himself in. Followed it all the way to.....football practice!


Hahahahaha!

Posted by: Tami at June 20, 2013 11:56 AM (X6akg)

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Too fuggin funneh...heheheh

332

IMO,  the  Tea Party should take over the Pubbies   just as the Prog/Coms captured the Dims.

 

But how do we fire Rove, Priebus,  and the rest of the GOP National Machine?  I don't want Jeb in '016, even though  he was a   passable governor down  here. I sure as hell don't want another McLame or Romney.

 

No more squishes.

333

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 20, 2013 12:01 PM (CJjw5)

 

Ok, oops.

Sorry Canadian humor went over my head.

334 318 #NameSomethingRepublicansAreGoodAt Losing Elections. Posted by: sTevo at June 20, 2013 11:58 AM (dD/ki) going in guns blazing....leaving without their gun

335 The problem is ,the Democrat really is worse.Exponentially worse.

 

Posted by: steevy at June 20, 2013 11:18 AM (9XBK2)

 

You either believe in LiB or you don't (personally, I do).  If your position is to jam rottenness up the LIVs asses good and hard, then full on, unrestrained Democrats is what you have to support.  Let Boner and McStain and the Combover Cuban stand in the wreckage of their 2014 hispandering wondering why they've been tossed out on their asses.

336 My red lines: (1) Gun confiscation (2) National security (3) Protection of innocent life The Democrats have largely embraced gun confiscation, abortion-on-demand, are weak on national security, and passed a bill embracing death panels. I will only ever vote for a Democrat if they reject all three.

337 "If you're American, how come that isn't an American flag hanging from your rearview mirror? Hmm? You know who flies foreign flags? FOREIGNERS.

probably my #1 beef w/ my fellow Puerto Ricans is when they fly the Island's flag over the US flag. You're a territory nimrods, not a sovereign country. You should have seen the looks I got from family when I bought an American Flag but didn't buy a Puerto Rican one

338 That quote that basically says we need to create the climate where even the squishes (paraphrased heavily) are motivated to do good things? Swings both ways. Since over half of the country wants to raid the others for free birth control and phones, even those inclined against it waiver.

We can try electing more honest and principled leaders, but the real problem is that the majority of the people want this. The Congress critters' numbers go up when they deliver freebies. Our country is half full of greedy sheep. Until we address that, we're pissin' into the wind.

339 "But stop pissing away seats in purple staes and districts in the name of "purity"." buzz, comment 16 First off, stop lying through your grimy teeth. I'm beyond sick of hearing from this type of party loyalist shit-bag that conservatives have "pissed away" easy wins. Filth like yourself gave us McCain, Romney, Bush I and II, Graham, Scott Browne, Linda McMahon, Arlen Specter, etc . Hows that working out for us? GFYS!

340 As I said earlier, I fully expect Rube to latch onto Tax Reform or some other conservative hot button to justify the Hannity Excuse ("He's good on everything else.")

Also, fuck Hannity.  He's a GOP shill who never has a bad thing to say about the people destroying the GOP.  Ryan, Rubio, et al get a pass from this helmet-haired dildo.

341 323 Holmes,

That may well be the price...the price the McCain gang is asking me to pay...on average about 125 bucks a month and growing to aid them in their collusion bringing that about is too much....

I donated more to the GOP last cycle than Lerner did to the Democrats....

I've never gotten a reward, I've never asked for influence beyond a party that defended the status quo on liberty tried to expand it and held the EPA granbola coalition in check....

I've gotten none of that.

They look me in the eyes and condone ANOTHER Mexican peaceful invasion I'm done....

I'll straight ticket D while trying to get a better opposition party started and suffer the consequences....

I'm an idiot for ever having gotten involved after they made it plain with Bush the elder that they hated Reagan

342 "and the Combover Cuban"

that's nice, you can come up w/ names. it's cute.

343 Once the Dems reinstate the draft because we're low on personnel to "liberate all the moderate muzzies who only want democracy", a large number of those "new citizens" will suddenly feel very homesick

344 For the Morons like EC in need of something positive Thanks Anna! She's got some moves for sure.

345 "Fantasies about some mythical True Conservative Purity Party rising from the ashes is nothing more than idealistic masturbation over something that will never, ever happen." Since we're bringing up masturbatory fantasies, how about the one where giving up any remaining red line results in either economic destruction or permanent political minority. But this is a winning tactic, because Pragmatism!™

346 346 Red Sweater,

which is why I think in the end as the other guy of economic thought said "we're all doomed anyway"

citizen nationally, patriot locally.....

get ready for hard times....and psst we're already the designated villain

347 OK so I should just stay in line because of Cruz? One guy? Thanks, no. Maybe when the morons at the RNC can't figure out why polls show a majority of Americans identify as conservatives vs. liberal and they keep going liberal isn't a good strategy. I am not a purist. But freaking A, damn near every major party platform they are pissing on. Sorry no more McCains or Mittens. Cruz, sure. But until I can vote for him forget it.

348 I agree it's a political red line.  The problem I'm facing is, how do we do the math on it?

If say 88% of Republicans vote AGAINST this in the House and it still passes, does that mean we throw out the whole Party over the actions of a few traitors?

If Republicans go along in big numbers, than I agree, I'm done with them.  Amnesty is one of those deals where it truly will destroy the Republic.  I guess if you're a fan of "Let it Burn" it will get us there quicker.

349 338 Wrong. You would have had 'just enough' Repubs to pass obamcare. You would have had those 'primary winners' vote yes on all the big Dem issues. It was two so-called Republicans and Arlen Specter. That is hardly representative of the entire Republican Party.

350 Relax, me and my good friend Karl Rove have this all figured out. I'm ready to reach across the aisle to get things done. And I speak Spanish! You all win!

351 Just went outside to move my temp sensor so direct sun would not hit it.  Damn it is nice out there and there are no RINOs in my rocking chair.

352 "Sven is right. If this is position of the GOP, I won't have a hand in supporting it. I'm not going to bleed for a cause I can't be proud of."

Fair enough but when guys like Rubio are tossed out of the party for merely one disagreement I'll leave the party and leave  you guys to have fun raiding the castle

353 Everyone shits on the base these day according to you people. Pretty soon not even Cruz will be good enough. Odd thing - when you care about issues as opposed to treating this like a sporting event and hoping your team wins, you actually give a shit about what actions they take. You people can pretend you're awesome because you never believe a Republican does something wrong. Hey, go have fun with that. But look, we aren't in the same party and don't want the same things.

354 Could I get an NSA ruling on: Oust the Traitors? Too militant?

355 We need a new thread.

356 Ok, oops.
Sorry Canadian humor went over my head.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 20, 2013 12:02 PM (GaqMa)

 

---------------------

 

You should see my brother fuck with Indians by  threatening  to  call the police on  them  for  being off the reservation.

 

"What are you talking about?  Reservations aren't  prisons!  I don't have to stay on-"

 

***with phone to ear*** "We'll just see what the police have to say about that when they get here, Chief."

 

 

357 Roughly 40 percent of Americans claim that they are conservative, roughly 22-25 percent claim that they are liberal.  The rest are in the middle.  This is deceptive because out of those 40 percent who claim that they are conservative--probably only half of those are principled with red lines.  So we are talking about 1/5 of the U.S. total population--probably not even a majority in the Republican party.  Those voters in the middle are typically LIV voters that will vote for whomever the media tells them is trendy and pathbreaking.  They vote on celebrity and biography.  Those who are liberals are Bolshevik leftists who desire sinecures of power to oppress and command the little people who have false consciousness. 
 
What is the point of this little though exercise--it might be possible to capture the Republican party but only after such a crashing electoral disaster that many of the cockroach consultant/fundraising/dem-lite candidates flee to the Democrat party.  See 2008-2010 cycle as a mild example.  Now, this would greatly accelerate the Burning Times as giving Democrats undivided power is like as PJ Rourke said giving whiskey and the car keys to a teenage boy. 

A more achievable and devious way to pull Republicans to the right is allow double billing on second parties akin to the NY system.  Allow candidates to run on different lines--in NY you can run on the Republican line only or sometimes the Republican -Conservative line.  Votes are pooled.  That way we end up with more accurate information--Republican Libertarian, Republican Conservative, even Republican-Liberal etc. The classic problem with third parties is the wasted vote and the argument that any Repub is better than a Dem etc.  Why not blow up the paradigm by causing the candidates to compete for the different lines--that way you can vote conservative with a clear conscience--if the candidate disdains seeking the conservative party nomination--that tells you right there that they will run out on your principles at the worst possible time.  Call it the Truth in Party Packaging Act.  Best thing is that no federal action is required--simply state legislative action. 

Re Demographics are Destiny argument--umm no.  Trends continue until they don't-- attributed to noted economist Herb Stein.  For example, Trees do not grow to the sky, markets go up until they go down, home prices increase until they don't, pay and income increase until it doesn't.  The subsidies of the welfare state fueling a lot of this growth are about to disappear (either undermined by inflation or through budget cuts) which tends to put quite a damper on kid production.  Do a lot of genealogy stuff and have an economics background--you see some generations with a greater number of kids and some with less.  Hard times reduces the number of kids even apart from birth control. 

358

Local paper.. this guy was deported in 2012.. already back

 

Ventura County narcotics detectives say they've arrested a Los Angeles man a second time for operating a marijuana plantation in the back country.  They say 36-year-old Ricardo Juarez Valencia was arrested, convicted, sentenced, and deported in 2012 for operating a pot plantation near Rose Valley.  This time detectives, with the help of the sheriff's helicopter, found marijuana grows near the Chorro Grand Trail, Belly Ache Falls, and an unnammed canyon north of Matilija Canyon Road.  They seized more than 6200 plants.  Valencia was arrested shortly after that on a violation of probation warrant.  Deputies say at his LA home they found guns, money, marijuana, and materials used to irrigate and operate a remote pot plantation

359 Just went outside to move my temp sensor so direct sun would not hit it.

Put it beside an air conditioner exhaust, above an expanse of asphalt, for most accurate readings.

360 323 In the intervening 10 year period, while Democrats then wipe out the Republican party and turn the entire system into a self-sustaining political machine, I'm sure this new party will really be effective at holding protests and might even win a couple of state or local positions. Ayup.

361 Grognard, whereabouts are you in the Great White North? I'm from TO. Also, I'm going to start making contingency plans to move back to Canada. I'm still a citizen there, so getting my family in won't be a problem. As far as taking it over is concerned, it should be relatively easy. They have no military to speak of, save for UN forces. The citizens are poorly armed in comparison to the US. There would be almost no resistance from the locals. I say we head to Alberta where we could gain control of the oil fields to start. Mostly wide open spaces there and we could see them coming from all angles. Also, Calgary Stampede girls.

362 I see all the "Moderates" have shown up.  "Just because Hitler kills a few Jews you are ready to give up on him".


I think I will hit the porch.

363 "You people can pretend you're awesome because you never believe a Republican does something wrong. Hey, go have fun with that."

Actually I've stated on here already a beef I have w/ Rubio. Lord knows I don't always agree w/ Republicans and want some things changed in the party leadership but that doesn't mean I hope for the party and the country's fall either.

364 Can we retire the term RINO? These backstabbers and squishes represent the majority of the Republican Party now.

365 I really wanted to vote for Gary Johnson last time. Next time, if he's on the ballot, I will.

366 362 ArtrhurLMenedez,

Rubio is empowerimng the left to win a lot of shit on that "one disagreement" ALM

Sorry Bud he's a McCain acolyte...

that is less forgivable than Viva Le Amnesty

367

Posted by: McAdams at June 20, 2013 12:06 PM (WJ4BK)

 

 

Boehner could kill this bill in a Hearbeat... HE is the Face of Establishment Republicans.

368 Seems appropriate since we are talking immigration.

Tropical Storm Barry is hitting Mexico
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT2+shtml/201432.shtml

369 So if there are no differences between Republicans and Democrats...(which I'd like to have someone explain to me if there is a difference), then why should we support the Republicans and give them contributions?  I say that we the people in the Republican party need to cut support in all manner and get ballistic with these guys.  What's it going to take for them to realize that the message needs to be heard that they are not worth supporting anymore?

370 375 HolyGoat,

indeed....

I was the sucker not the RiNO

I'm not staying a sucker

371 "I see all the "Moderates" have shown up."

Actually various political tests on me have found I am to the right of the tea party in my personal beliefs, probably to the right of a lot of you on here. Where I am "moderate" or "RINO" is in the fact I don't stake my whole involvement in politics in what the radio guys say or looking for a 100% pure candidate.

372 Did no one find my post earlier about getting an email from State Dept warning about travel to Israel disturbing? Never gotten an email from them before.

373 Libertarians can't even agree on what 'libertarian' means

374 Never gotten an email from them before. Are you planning something?

375 If the house passes this shit there is no reason to have a Republican speaker.

376 "Sorry Bud he's a McCain acolyte..."

Christ, we skewer one guy over one issue. How retarded have we become? The GOP is no longer the stupid party because of their failures to capitalize on public opinion but because it's own voters like to push people out. What a joke.

377 371 EC,

You ever decide to sponsor a 40 year old one time guest of Alberta who will have a military pensioner in tow and a son who wants to be a mechanic give me a holler...

I think the US is about to go full communard

378 The Republican Party is stinking like week old fish, and yet, my Republican Senator Jeff Sessions is a rock.  The fact that he can stand to associate with the Republican wets is a testament to good southern manners I guess, and the outlawing of dueling.

379

My redline was crossed with Romneycare nomination.  I have a list of all politicians who endorsed Romneycare prior to the nomination, they are also on the wrong side of the line.  That also includes blogs such as this one....I don't trust a word you or others say who actively tried to get Romneycare nominated over the others, nearly all of whom could honestly say they were conservative.

 

Drew can say this stuff now, but I will bet you anything when the time comes he and the rest of the bloggers will be doing everything they can to torpedo the conservative non-establishment nominees to try to promote more representatives of the right wing of the socialist party - the McCain's, Rubio's, Christie's, Jindal's...

380 >Where I am "moderate" or "RINO" is in the fact I don't stake my whole involvement in politics in what the radio guys say or looking for a 100% pure candidate. Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 20, 2013 12:12 PM (yAor6) You are a very very special snowflake.

381 275 My worry is that in the meantime you allow Democrats to not only run the show but fundamentally alter the way this Republic operates, in the way that Augustus altered the Roman Republic. He kept the forms but underneath it was all just a show. Posted by: Wonkish Sling Blade says Long live Vermithrax Pejorative at June 20, 2013 11:51 AM (yc4Nt) That already happened, I'm afraid. See Garet Garret's "The Revolution Was". It was published in 1938.

382 "Libertarians can't even agree on what 'libertarian' means"

EXACTLY

383 Are you planning something? Posted by: EC at June 20, 2013 12:13 PM (GQ8sn) Not me, somebody? Very cryptic email. Something is going on.

384 Libertarians can't even agree on what 'libertarian' means

 

 

Posted by: Jones in CO at June 20, 2013 12:13 PM (8sCoq)

 

 

Can Conservatives? Fiscal Con or Social Con or NEO-Con?

385 388 ArthurLMendez,

Yup....

how'd the mules treat Lieberman?

Ethical behavior from a decade past doesn't cut it anymore...

I'm through backing sell outs and idiots

386 EC and BCochran, I need a ruling.  Is this video NSFW?
http://youtu.be/vuRwUS8TgtI

387 "Fair enough but when guys like Rubio are tossed out of the party for merely one disagreement I'll leave the party and leave you guys to have fun raiding the castle." When what he's proposing will result in permanent minority status for your political party, it's probably not a good idea to keep supporting him. How you can keep squaring that circle is mind-boggling.

388 "You are a very very special snowflake."

damn and I liked your libertarian post, any way this relationship is still salvageable? 

389 Name one bill harry Reid passed with majority republican votes against the wishes of his base Name one bill pelosi passed using majority Republican votes to ram it thru We are getting repeatedly ass raped by our own leadership

390 'Nother new immigration bill thread.

391 Can we retire the term RINO? These backstabbers and squishes represent the majority of the Republican Party now.

***

May well be.  They're the real Republicans and we're the extreme extremists for extremism.

392 I'm so disheartened by Rubio, I sincerely don't know where we go from here. I met the man, bought his book, begged him to run with Romney... I even considered working his campaign FULLTIME if he ran in 2016. Now, screw all of that. I can't believe we are being told that we simply can't protect the border NOW, that mass illegal migration, including DUI criminals, is the solution to all of our woes. To watch Ms. Graham on TV makes me want to send money to her Democratic opponent. I campaigned for McCain, because, that's watcha do as a good Republican. I campaigned for Romney, 'cause that's watcha do as a good Republican. F'em. Seriously. They are sitting in DC playing games with the Constitution, the USA, and our future. Maybe we do need to organize the Tea Party properly and suck the life out of the GOP. Yeah, the Dems may gain in the short term, but so what? The Republicans are no longer the opposition party. They are now just Dems Lite.

393

I think the US is about to go full communard

 

 

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 20, 2013 12:14 PM (LRFds)

 

 

Democracies fail due to loose Monetary and spending Policies (Free Shit)... and almost always go to a Period of Dictatorship...

394 Billy Bob  it was issued June 19th for Israel, Gaza, and West Bank.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_6010.html

395 "When what he's proposing will result in permanent minority status for your political party, it's probably not a good idea to keep supporting him. "

It won't do that. Why are Republicans so scared of Hispanics? Why is immigration the one issue that gets us so worked up? I don't like the bill and want it stopped but damn the animosity is bewildering. It's ALWAYS this way. Perry and Newt got skewered over this during the GOP primaries. Is it personal? Oh right, if I bring any of this up i'm using the "race card"

396 @398 Where do you find that shit? Japs are strange people that make great cars.

397

May well be. They're the real Republicans and we're the extreme extremists for extremism.

 

 

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 20, 2013 12:16 PM (XUKZU)

 

 

Yeah... its like Moderate Islam... and Fundamental Militant Islam?

 

/ducks

398 399 Burn the Witch,

the lie that "we are not going to grant citizenship" is strong and I have landed on my back having Lucy pull that particular football before...

if the US is gonna be Mexico del Norte then this is "just another country"....

time to cut the best deal you can for YOUR family like the District One fuckers are for theirs

399 "I'm not looking for 'Purity'."

This from someone ready to toss a guy w/ an incredible conservative record over one issue

"I'm looking for intelligence."

This from someone who voted for Gary Johnson

400 Posted by: History, Yelling... but no one listnes. at June 20, 2013 12:17 PM (lZBBB) As I like to say, "Those of us who do remember history are condemned to repeat it anyway, because those who don't are in the majority."

401 378 Posted by: McAdams at June 20, 2013 12:06 PM (WJ4BK)


Boehner could kill this bill in a Hearbeat... HE is the Face of Establishment Republicans. Posted by: Romeo13

I agree Boehner should kill it, but he's already hinting that he won't allow it to come to a vote unless he has majority support in his caucus. 

I'd like Boehner to go, but I will at least concede that it has to be an artful "hey we tried to do something about this problem, but the Senate fucked everything up" rather than just saying outright "we won't pass any immigration bill period".

But at the end of the day, the House members still have to publicly cast their vote on way or another, it's not just Boehner that decides.

402 You people can pretend you're awesome because you never believe a Republican does something wrong. Hey, go have fun with that.

Or you can play into Obama's hands and blame The GOP for everything that goes wrong, facts be damned.

Oh, wait.  You guys seem to have that covered already.

403 Its YouTube doing its usual three clicks to WTF.

And not Japanese, South Korean.

404

 Damn Republicrats.

 

 

I left in 2007. 'Bout time y'all got here...

405

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 20, 2013 12:18 PM (yAor6)

 

Because this is trading MY Kids future, for the kids of a bunch of people who broke the law?

 

I'm LIVING in that future here in Central California... I really do NOT want the rest of the country like this.

406 @407 I know, I got it.

407 Actually I've stated on here already a beef I have w/ Rubio. Lord knows I don't always agree w/ Republicans and want some things changed in the party leadership but that doesn't mean I hope for the party and the country's fall either. All politicians understand is threats and bribery. They're scum, and like most scum they think they're wonderful. If you disagree with them but will always vote for them, they don't care. Which is why I can 'turn' on a politician quickly - I only know him by his actions. If his actions are deleterious to my goals, he's a bad investment. I get your point - it's one I've lived all my life voting for pro-choice NE Republicans. But I'm sick of it - it hasn't worked here and it hasn't worked nationally. So why sell off my principles and still lose?

408 Well I've had my fun for the day. Have fun. I'm pretty sure once this all blows over you'll find someone else that isn't good enough for you people. Tada.

409 312 "If the Republican voters who stayed home or voted for Democrats in 2006
had instead involved themselves in the primary process we would not have
ObamaCare. Same goes for the stimulus, the SCOAMT's foreign policy, and
a host of other issues.:"

*ding *ding* we got a winner. But no, let's keep patting those on the back who keep helping the left's job easier via political elections.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 20, 2013 11:56 AM (yAor6)

 

You mean people like you that accuse us of racism because we want our borders secured before any talk of amnesty for criminals?

410 408 Arthur L Menedez,

La Raza much?

33 million guys named Juan are allowed to advocate for reconquista and get better representation than I do as a reward....

The flow will NOT stop and they have NO loyalty to our nation and the donks in education will not teach good civics...

411

Posted by: McAdams at June 20, 2013 12:19 PM (WJ4BK)

 

Uh.... Why????  Its not like Hispanics are going to vote for the GOP anyway...

 

and that exact tactic would HELP cement the base....

412 Fair enough but when guys like Rubio are tossed out of the party for merely one disagreement "merely one disagreement?" O_o o_O O_O o_o *_* This is not some "mere" disagreement over tactics, or some minor policy issue. This is heart of the Republic, Rule of Law stuff. Amnesty itself is bad enough. If I must, I'm willing to swallow that bitter load pill, but only AFTER Border/Immigration enforcement has been strengthened and only without any chance of naturalization. But that's not what Rubio et. al. Want. They want naturalization. They want to hand over this country to the Democrats for all time anyway. Every single amendment which would do something real on border security (before or after the amnesty, natch) has been shot down- with no votes from Rubio. Every amendment which would prevent citizenship for amnestied illegals has been shot down- with no votes from Rubio. This isn't "mere" disagreement over whether we can "kick them all out or not," this a fundamental difference in world-view that says (on his side) that any immigrant who followed the rules is a sucker, and anyone who disagrees with full-bore, citizenship-granting (however "eventual") amnesty is "heartless." Seems to me someone lost a Presidential primary over saying something much less offensive to National Sovereignty than that. I'm not "kicking Rubio out" because he thinks granting illegals some form of legal status is necessary- there are a lot of conservatives who think that. I'm "kicking him out" because he wants to sell out our National Sovereignty for net return of nothing.

413 > This from someone who voted for Gary Johnson Gary Johnson, the fiscally responsible one who ran his campaign in debt and 90% of his outlays were to friends and family members. Yeah, we had a choice between 3 different flavors of shit last time.

414 Best post you've ever written Drew. Welcome to the team. I don't care if it's the Libertarians or something else, but done with GOP. I understand the stigma of the big L, but something has to happen.

415 Or you can play into Obama's hands and blame The GOP for everything that goes wrong, facts be damned. Please. Facts are on the side of the people who don't trust te GOP leadership, not the other side. We can go back to the Pledge to America and compare the promises to performance as a quick start.

416 372 I see all the "Moderates" have shown up. "Just because Hitler kills a few Jews you are ready to give up on him". Comparing the Republicans to Hitler is gross hyperbole. What a load of rot. Further, it is dishonest to call me a "moderate" merely because I am conservative rather than a libertarian conservative or libertarian. Last but not least, voting for Hitler (or anyone like him) would be a betrayal of my faith.* *Yes, I know it was a "comparison".

417

"Can we retire the term RINO? These backstabbers and squishes represent the majority of the Republican Party now."

 

Yes, that's been true for years now. Conservatives are the minority and are the RINO's in this Republican party.

 

 

I have a very liberal cousin who is happily retired from a career in D. C. in the bowels of govt, Dept of Labor in this case. He told me once that "administrations come and go, and we just laugh and continue about our business."

 

One of  his prized possessions is a photo of himself with Robert Reisch. (sp?)

418 Relax, me and my good friend Karl Rove have this all figured out. I'm ready to reach across the aisle to get things done. And I speak Spanish! You all win!

Posted by: Jeb Bush at June 20, 2013 12:06 PM (M2qTM)

 

Would someone for the love of God explain to me why Jeb Bush is considered a viable national candidate by anyone? Is it his dashing good looks and Herculean physique? His irresistible charisma? His galvanizing rhetorical abilities? His towering intellect?

 

No?

 

In fairness, I must say, though, that Jeb Bush's latest 'Hispanics are fertile' remark does speak to an intellect of some sort, and explains his ability to breathe, eat and walk without assistance.

419 "It won't do that. Why are Republicans so scared of Hispanics?" This is why people say you pull the race card. I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on you and your "my views are to the right of the TEA Party" crap. When you shit out a standard leftist straw man about Republicans being "scared of Hispanics", I'm going to stop taking you seriously as an adult. This isn't even worth the fact-based, data-based argument that fucking disproves you. I don't even need to bring up the Nation of Laws argument. Because you apparently don't know or don't give a shit about either. "Why is immigration the one issue that gets us so worked up? I don't like the bill and want it stopped but damn the animosity is bewildering" Because it's economically, socially, and politically devastating. Can you wrap that big ol' brain around that? Is it possible that some of us still cling to the infinitesimal hope that it can be prevented? But then we have assholes like you that ignore facts, data, and reality and think magical things are going to happen. It's ALWAYS this way. Perry and Newt got skewered over this during the GOP primaries. Is it personal? Oh right, if I bring any of this up i'm using the "race card. Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 20, 2013 12:18 PM (yAor6)" No, you're just expressing your idiocy. Is it personal? YES, IT'S FUCKING PERSONAL. Their policy proscriptions affect me personally in a very negative way, as I stated before but that you were unlikely to have grasped at the time of reading, or have forgotten by now (best case).

420 Drew, same position.  I'm a registered Libertarian and I will not, under any circumstances, period, ever, vote for a Democrat for any state or national office, nor have I since Dukakis, when I was young and dumb.

421 425 Allen G,

You and I are not kicking Rubio out...he is kicking us out or demanding that I embrace his stupidity...

no sale...

422 362 "Sven is right. If this is position of the GOP, I won't have a hand in
supporting it. I'm not going to bleed for a cause I can't be proud of."

Fair enough but when guys like Rubio are tossed out of the party for merely one disagreement I'll leave the party and leave you guys to have fun raiding the castle

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 20, 2013 12:07 PM (yAor6)

 

Its not just a disagreement.  He lied.  He's lying now.  This is the second piece of shit he's pushed.  He started with the DREAM Act.  Mitt Romney is more moderate than McCain and Rubio and I have much more respect for him because he admits his positions where he deviates from the party line, but at least he's not stabbing us in the back.

423 Oh, and as for the Libertarian Party's position on immigration, consider me the equivalent of a pro-life Democrat.

424 "Fair enough but when guys like Rubio are tossed out of the party for merely one disagreement I'll leave the party and leave you guys to have fun raiding the castle"



Yeah, disregarding the results of the last Amnesty and setting the stage for a permanent Progressive federal government amounts to more than "merely one disagreement" and I think you know that. That's a core principle being violated. It's on the level of "disagreeing" on whether the 1st or 2nd Amendments should be overturned. What you're basicay saying is that you have no core principle that a Republican politician can violate without losing your vote. And you think that makes you a beter person when in reality it just makes you unprincipled. Or a concern troll. I can't tell.

425 394 "Libertarians can't even agree on what 'libertarian' means"

EXACTLY
Posted by: AuthorLMendez

Ironically, that is the essence of libertarianism.

426 I am supposed to support the party. When do they start supporting me?

427 432 Burn the Witch,

I clawed my way out of poverty...I've been working poor..


How in the fuck can the GOP go to the working poor who have been hurt by this economy and say "we're on your side" when they bring in 33 million or more new competitors?

No I'm done with the party if they do this.

Replace the GOP....

there is a Capitalist case to be made to the working poor and the GOP is not the party to deliver it.

428 Starve the beast. No money, no votes, no attendance at their events. Let them die Let it burn

429

"and the Combover Cuban"

 

that's nice, you can come up w/ names. it's cute.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 20, 2013 12:04 PM (yAor6)

 

Is your position that I should support Rubio?  Why?

430 As my wife says "the problem of voting for the lesser of two evils is, your still voting for Evil."

I'm going Libertarian or Constitution Party.  I know they can't win, but I hate the slow road to hell.  Bring it.  If Palin sets up the Tea-Party, I'm all in.

431 I would also point-out that most of the those referring to Sen. Paul, Rep. Ryan, and others as "traitors" call Ronald Reagan a great conservative icon (or some variant) despite the fact that Reagan signed the Simpson-Mazzoli Act of 1986. You cannot have it both ways.

432 444 I would also point-out that most of the those referring to Sen. Paul, Rep. Ryan, and others as "traitors" call Ronald Reagan a great conservative icon (or some variant) despite the fact that Reagan signed the Simpson-Mazzoli Act of 1986. You cannot have it both ways.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 20, 2013 12:42 PM (YjDyJ)

 

OK don't pull this HORSESHIT.  You don't argue that someone is good and to be trusted by referencing someone you do like's biggest mistake.  Its incredibly stupid.  Hey Reagan fucked up by supporting amnesty and getting screwed by not getting border security so we should totally get behind the guys that want to do the exact same shit all over again.  BRILLIANT!

433 "And yet if enough conservatives hadn't held their noses and voted for them, Pelosi would be speaker and whatever crap amnesty bill comes out of the Senate would pass the house in 5 minutes. Live to fight another day." It's not about enforcing "purity", it's about having a functional opposition party. Right now we don't have one. The Republican leadership is generally useless. Boehner is incompetent as Speaker and should be replaced, but the party bosses won't do that because they really don't care. The handful of effective Republicans are constantly undermined by the unwillingness of the leadership to support them or back them up when it comes to actually doing anything. And every time the GOP is outsmarted or surrenders an issue, they provide the Democrats with bipartisan cover. Making it easier for the Democrats and their media lackeys to marginalize actual conservative principles.

434 And this is why they are called "The Stupid Party".

435 Its better that Romney lost. At best, he was just a speedbump against the Left's Long March. He would have repaired the economy and let the Nanny State limp on for a decade longer. I'm glad he lost.

436 "Not everything can be a “Go to ELEVENTY!1!11!!1! issue” but there has to be two or three key issue a candidate or a party simply can’t violate and still lay a claim to your support. Right now for me, I will not vote or support in any way a Republican who votes for an amnesty first plan or anything that expands or “fixes” ObamaCare in anyway. Those are my two red lines." Good for you.

437 440 How in the fuck can the GOP go to the working poor who have been hurt by this economy and say "we're on your side" when they bring in 33 million or more new competitors? - Right. The Republican Party is a deadly enemy of the white working class, as is the Democratic Party. Of course this is also bad news for blacks who want jobs. They don't care about either. This is all about the browning of America, so politicians on the right can have a "cool" non-white voting base like politicians on the left have. It's a form of status envy. And the same game is being played out in other white countries, with "conservative" politicians competing to import massive numbers of non-whites where they are not needed. (What is the real, credible economic reason Sweden needs Somalis? It does not exist.) Our politicians are destroying us for trivial reasons. They must not be rewarded for doing this.

438 Americans aren't scared of Hispanics per se. Me, I married a delightful Cubana. But, as Elena points out, when you specify Mexicans, there is this funny little problem. For two hundred years, Mexicans have systematically cultivated bitterest hatred for "gringos." Ever notice, "gringo" is Mexican for "white man"? And this special loathing is going to vanish from their hearts by crossing a line the white man is too weak to defend?  

439 _______________________________

Amen, Drew.

I share your two Red Line Issues: Amnesty and Obamacare.

I will not vote for any Republican or candidate for office who does not outright and without exception oppose these two issues.
If it means turning out to write in Mickey Mouse on election day, so be it.

Currently Amnesty is the brighter of the two bright Red Lines.

440 We need a new party, pronto.

441

"ItÂ’s time to stop buying into the scare tactics ofÂ… 'The Democrats are worse'. It might be true but that doesnÂ’t mean that the Republicans are the answer. Yes, itÂ’s hard to kill a political party and build a new one but itÂ’s happened before. That itÂ’s so hard to do is an indication of how important it is that it be done.

 

"ItÂ’s time to hold individual members responsible if they support garbage like this, either for reelection or if they attempt to run for higher office. If Amnesty should somehow get by the House, then itÂ’s time to hold the whole damn party accountable.

 

"...This is basically mutiny by the political class. It must be punished."

 

That's all you needed to write.

 

I've said a few times, in a few places after the last election, that anyone at all who thinks they're going to be able to convince me with the argument that "we should elect this guy simply because of his 'electability'" is blowin' smoke. Same for the general.

 

That dog don't hunt.

 

Never again.

 

It is to laugh, imbecile.

 

Rubio and Ryan are both dead to me over amnesty. The 'pubs nominate either of them, I'm gone. Third party, apathy, non-vote ...whatever.

 

I may be forced to watch this county sink into dystopian dust, but I don't have to be a participant in its demise.

442

Abortion and Obamacare.

It looks like I'm the only one on this thread who named abortion. That may be why the national GOP has a pro-life plank but does precious little to secure the rights of the unborn (and why my state's Republican GOP legislators, who do answer to a pro-life electorate, are doing so).

443 All the hand-wringing and "Big Tent" talk after the last election struck me as stupid.  The GOP fails because it fails to stick to its ostensibly conservative core. 

What the analysts don't get is that people want a choice, and they choose stupidly sometimes.  When they get tired of GOP bullshit, they'll try Dem bullshit, at least for a while, if nothing else than for a change -- to see if they like it better.  When the line between the parties is blurred, when the GOP is nothing more than Dem-lite, voters don't have much of an incentive to vote GOP when they're ready to switch back.

If the GOP (or its replacement) wants to be relevant, it needs to pick a philosophy and run with it, realizing that voters are going to vote for the opposition occasionally.  It's a normal cycle.  The surest way to become irrelevant is to adulterate the core principles with populist crap in the hopes they'll somehow grab the low-information non-partisan middle. 

Long story long:  build the brand and when people are ready, they'll be back.

Strategery.

444 Here's a Republican National Committee Life Member who may never vote for a Republican again.

445 I'd say amnesty is a big one, and I'll throw Obamacare, abortion, gay marriage, and any other attempt to get a stimulus on the pile.

O-Care should be obvious, but don't let the fake outrage about Republicans wanting to shut down the government and obstruct the President make you guys start hedging on why you don't support it. Make Democrats own that thing then, now, and forever.

Abortion and gay marriage: Stop neglecting the voters who will faithfully vote Republican rather than see a Democrat in office. Abortion, except for cases of rape, incest, and the mother's health, is wrong. People keep talking about how much support gay marriage supposedly has, but remember, the only number that matters is 31. Thirty-one states have said marriage is the union of a man and woman, and that encompasses more than just red districts. Make Democrats explain to the people why their beliefs about traditional marriage is nothing but latent bigotry. Make them spit in their eye and legalize it anyway. Don't be complicit, and don't become slaves to poll data. It never does tilt in our favor, even when actual votes do.

Stimulus: I don't care how many times Democrats talk about tax credits as if they're tax cuts, don't fall for the trap of voting for another stimulus.

446 I keep thinking "the Republicans can't be THAT stupid", but they keep proving me wrong.

447 The Drew Manifesto. Insanely-wrong but at least you put if all out there.

448 @ 445 Darn right. Reagan made good faith mistakes and we cannot repeat them in good faith, only through incompetence or deceit.

449

 Red line?

 

 Constitutional constructionist. Original intent. Plain meaning rule.

 

 Anything less is just a tyrant looking for power.