Ace of Spades HQ

December 26, 2013

Poll: Obama's Recovered Some of the Big Loss of Support From the Healthcare.Gov Debacle, But Not Most of It
— Ace

Congress isn't in session, and the President is taking a well-deserved 17 day vacation. So there isn't much news, apart from the manufactured kind.

Allahpundit analyzes some recent manufactured news, a CNN poll.

The news isnÂ’t that the GOPÂ’s leading on the generic ballot; thatÂ’s been true in several polls since November, when the botched ObamaCare rollout dropped an atomic bomb on Democratic numbers so powerful that even veteran number-crunchers like Charlie Cook trembled at its glory. The news is that the comparative stability of Healthcare.gov over the past month hasnÂ’t healed those Democratic wounds...

He links Conn Carroll, who notes the GOP is on track (on track, mind you) for another wave election. Quoting CNN, he finds that Obama's claim that Healthcare.gov is "fixed" hasn't fixed the Democrats' deteriorating position:

Two months ago, Democrats held a 50%-42% advantage among registered voters in a generic ballot...
But the Democratic lead evaporated, and a CNN poll a month ago indicated the GOP holding a 49%-47% lead. The new survey, conducted in mid-December, indicates Republicans with a 49%-44% edge over the Democrats.

The Democrats' 50-42 advantage was temporary, of course, due to the media's pile-on over the shutdown, but the Democrats had had leads throughout the year.

But since Obama declared his stupid website "fixed" (apart from it being mostly nonfunctional, of course), Democrats have actually.. lost further ground.

CNN's poll finds Democrats losing support almost exclusively with men (falling from 46% to a woeful 35%), while continuing to own the women's vote (54% slipping down, meaninglessly, to 53%).

But their previous poll found that almost all loss of support for Obamacare (not the same as Congressional Democrats, but these two things should obviously be closely related) was coming from women deciding to flip from supporting the law to opposing it.

What that means, I don't know.

Hit the first link to see multiple trendlines showing the same basic phenomenon -- Obama and Obamacare lose big support in October and November, and then support begins to climb after the site is "fixed"... but climbing only to a new normal of relatively low support.

And, while the public isn't quite as harsh on Obama and Obmacare as it was three weeks ago, it's also trending towards the GOP as far as Congressional races.

Posted by: Ace at 12:17 PM | Comments (154)
Post contains 418 words, total size 3 kb.

1 Second part time job to pay off school loans, third part time job to pay for O-care... You own this movement, Kids!

Posted by: fluffy at December 26, 2013 12:20 PM (Ua6T/)

2 4:20, Man!

Posted by: fluffy at December 26, 2013 12:20 PM (Ua6T/)

3 Everybody out of my thread.

Posted by: fluffy at December 26, 2013 12:20 PM (Ua6T/)

4 I love talking Poll.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 26, 2013 12:20 PM (V2m7a)

5 This is exhausting. I need a snack.

Posted by: fluffy at December 26, 2013 12:21 PM (Ua6T/)

6 It's a long time until November. Who knows what will happen in the meantime.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 26, 2013 12:21 PM (wMHFj)

7 Almost as much as I love shootin' skeet.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 26, 2013 12:21 PM (V2m7a)

8 The longer you stay on vacation the higher your approval goes. Think of the upside to abdication!

Posted by: t-bird at December 26, 2013 12:21 PM (FcR7P)

9 another hate crime from gateway pundit:

http://tinyurl.com/qj26jcx

Posted by: Mallfly at December 26, 2013 12:21 PM (bJm7W)

10 Fixed? Right... The whole health care debacle was "fixed" from the day the Democrats "deemed" it passed...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at December 26, 2013 12:22 PM (9+ccr)

11 Hate to put a damper on all this happy talk but I have 3 words. Comprehensive immigration reform. It's coming and at the hands of the GOP. This is our own atomic bomb except we're dropping it on ourselves.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 26, 2013 12:22 PM (Xkr8I)

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:22 PM (PYAXX)

13 You own this movement, Kids!

Yes, "movement" is an excellent description. What kind of movement doesn't require much imagination to figure out.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 26, 2013 12:22 PM (4WhSY)

14 From a DCCC beg-mail I received today: We woke up to some tough news this morning: Washington (CNN) -- Democrats have lost their advantage and Republicans now have a slight edge in the battle for control of Congress, according to a new national poll. The latest Republican assault on Obamacare has proven to be dangerously effective. If we donÂ’t respond to Republican smears with the facts right now, the damage to the Affordable Care Act AND our chances in 2014 could be irreversible. That means we have got to fill this $685,000 hole in our Obamacare Rapid Response Fund by our big FEC fundraising deadline. This dip in the polls isn't completely unexpected: right now, voters are getting bombarded with anti-Obamacare attacks from the likes of the Koch brothers. To put it simply, we're getting outspent -- BIG TIME. Here's the good news: Now that Republicans are trying to take coverage away from millions who've already signed up, we can finally fight this battle on the facts -- not GOP horror stories. A new poll of battleground races shows that voters support Democrats' plans to implement the Affordable Care Act over Republicans' repeal scheme by 5 points, 49%-44%. If we can close that fundraising gap and have a real debate on a level playing field, we will win.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 26, 2013 12:23 PM (DmNpO)

Clearly Ace, all the GOP has to do is nothing and let a huge govt social program "implode" on its own. We have been so assured by all the big brains.

They're busier on much more important things. Like amnesty. I am truly of the opinion that conservatives will finally take over the GOP or a third party will arise.

I will never again pull the lever for a piece of shit moderate simply b/c he or she is GOP.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 26, 2013 12:23 PM (tVTLU)

16 Instead of linking Conn Carroll, he should have linked that CAC fellow over at the Federalist.

*ducks*

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 26, 2013 12:24 PM (KjlbF)

1 Jan all NoCare insured patients will baying 100% upfront in out practice. If/when we get paid by the NoCare companies, they get their money back. It goes to a special escrow account WE control so no funny business.

Have fun kids!

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 26, 2013 12:24 PM (QuZie)

18 And support for 404Care will crater again in early 2014 (some of our own HCare IT Experts seem to suggest in a couple weeks- I think it'll take a few months for the full suck to be felt) as people realize just how broken "broken" really is. You know, if you *wanted* to completely disrupt the US Healthcare system, I'm not sure you could have come up with a better way.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:24 PM (PYAXX)

19 I should point out that Obama always rebounds whenever he goes on vacation or leaves the country. Always.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 26, 2013 12:24 PM (T0NGe)

20 Speaking of polls there's one out today that says in a potential Presidential match up Christie and Hillary are neck and neck..... We are sooooo screwed...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at December 26, 2013 12:25 PM (9+ccr)

21 Instead of linking Conn Carroll, he should have linked that CAC fellow over at the Federalist.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 26, 2013 04:24 PM (KjlbF)

-----

Dude..... where's the holiday spirit man.

(twas funny tho....)

Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2013 12:26 PM (nELVU)

22 Wait till people start losing or having to pay a lot more for their employee sponsored health plan and wait till people see with an obamacare exchange plane they can NOT see their own Doc. I can hear the howling now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 26, 2013 12:26 PM (t3UFN)

23 I should point out that Obama always rebounds whenever he goes on vacation or leaves the country. Always. It's almost like people like the theory of the SCOAMT better than the SCOAMT himself.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:26 PM (PYAXX)

24 I can hear the howling now No, that's just ATC yelling at her TV to set some Skyrim bad guy on fire.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:27 PM (PYAXX)

25 >>> Christie and Hillary are neck and neck.. Christie and Hillary are nekkid?

Posted by: fluffy at December 26, 2013 12:28 PM (Ua6T/)

26 25 >>> Christie and Hillary are neck and neck.. Christie and Hillary are nekkid? Eye bleach please...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at December 26, 2013 12:28 PM (9+ccr)

27 "CNN's poll finds Democrats [...] continuing to own the women's vote (54% slipping down, meaninglessly, to 53%)."

A stunningly high number still. After all this administration has done. Over years.

If another Constitutional Convention is held, we need to revisit the 19th Amendment. By revisit, I mean rewrite to revoke a certain gender's ability to vote. And by that I mean revoke those with two or more X chromosomes the ability to vote.

In case I was unclear.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2013 12:28 PM (eHIJJ)

28 Christie and Hillary are neck and neck.. Also, indistinguishable from the knee down.

Posted by: garrett at December 26, 2013 12:29 PM (V2m7a)

29 I don't believe the JEF has regained his popularity. They are lying.

Posted by: Carol at December 26, 2013 12:29 PM (v6YdM)

30 Oh, wait until the unspinnable numbers start emerging around Valentine's Day. We should be ripe for some Valentine's Day Massacre style metaphors - start wordsmithing now.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at December 26, 2013 12:29 PM (R5qgD)

31 I thought you were on vaycay, Ace?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 26, 2013 12:29 PM (f9c2L)

32 If another Constitutional Convention is held, we need to revisit the 19th Amendment. By revisit, I mean rewrite to revoke a certain gender's ability to vote. And by that I mean revoke those with two or more X chromosomes the ability to vote. In case I was unclear. --- Have we had an appearance by Her Stompiness yet today?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 26, 2013 12:29 PM (/Crba)

33 It's almost like people like the theory of the SCOAMT better than the SCOAMT himself. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 04:26 PM (PYAXX) Germany and Israel have a nice position for somebody like this. Their presidents are largely ceremonial, but you can vote for somebody for that position and there are very few consequences other than giving them a soapbox. There's something to be said for such a frivolous position.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 26, 2013 12:29 PM (T0NGe)

34 Which one is which? Both are dried up fat scrunts with no external genitalia.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 26, 2013 12:30 PM (QuZie)

35 Oh and don't forget that onece these clowns come back we have to pass a spending bill to restore the Ryan cuts to military pensions. There will more than likely be no concomitant spending cuts anywhere else. And it looks like the donks have minimum wage and unemployment extensions on deck in other words lots of squirrels to look forward to. I don't think 2014 is going to go the way people thinks it is

Posted by: Kreplach at December 26, 2013 12:30 PM (Xkr8I)

36 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2013 04:28 PM (eHIJJ) Just to test this out... Blacks are also hurt quite a bit by Democrat policies. They ALSO vote overwhelmingly Democrat (even more so than women, really). Should an Art V convention also reconsider allowing Blacks to vote? Hispanics?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:30 PM (PYAXX)

End women's suffrage now!!

Funniest man show ever.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 26, 2013 12:31 PM (tVTLU)

38
I dunno..... IMHO there are more "shoes" to drop over the course of 2014.

*Folks will figure out they cant keep the doctor they have.
*Im paying THIS much and the deductible is WHAT???
*But I ENROLLED ..... whaddaya mean the insurance company never got it???
*Wait... wut??? Whaddaya mean my identities been hacked.
*CANCELLED???? But I have EMPLOYER PROVIDED coverage. Whaddaya mean CANCELLED??

Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2013 12:31 PM (nELVU)

39 Now I don't go to church, period, but even I find this over the top cynicism -- It seems that Dear Reader has taken the fambly to church for Christmas the last 3 years. But this year, after being safely reelected?

Church? What's that? Someone hand me my nine iron.

I kinda thought that going to church was either something you do, or don't do. Ah well, vacations have consequences.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 26, 2013 12:32 PM (wNF3N)

40 Isn't the polls dropping still just about the website itself? What happens when people actually get billed, or lose their doctors, or the tens of millions continue to lose insurance or doctors in the next few years? There are so many people who are as of yet unaffected by what is to come.

Posted by: Baldy at December 26, 2013 12:32 PM (2bql3)

41 Those tumbling numbers with women and O'Care opinion means is that the GOP has a chance of beating a lot of Dems.

GOPers need to stay focused.

"My Democratic opponent voted for Obamacare."
"My Democratic opponent voted against repeal of Obamacare and would not even consider a delay."
"Your vote should be simple."

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 26, 2013 12:32 PM (f9c2L)

42 BinBR: "Have we had an appearance by Her Stompiness yet today?"

Clearly her domain. I'll yield the floor when she gets here.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2013 12:33 PM (eHIJJ)

43 Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2013 04:31 PM (nELVU) Exactly. There are more shoes left to drop than there are feet to put in them.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at December 26, 2013 12:33 PM (XIxXP)

44 We should be ripe for some Valentine's Day Massacre style metaphors - start wordsmithing now. If the Valentine's Day Massacre were to happen today, it wouldn't even be national news.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 12:33 PM (WhJf8)

45 Has any network mentioned attacks in Iraq & our embassy in Kabul yesterday? Of course not.

Posted by: Carol at December 26, 2013 12:34 PM (v6YdM)

46 frivolous position Like the Wheelbarrow?

Posted by: garrett at December 26, 2013 12:34 PM (V2m7a)

47 "My Democratic opponent voted for Obamacare." "My Democratic opponent voted against repeal of Obamacare and would not even consider a delay." "Your vote should be simple." And yet... I'm pretty sure the Republicans will find a way to screw that up. In fact, it looks like they're already getting ready to with "comprehensive immigration reform."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:34 PM (PYAXX)

48 Isn't him taking a long vacation a positive from this blog's perspective? The only way he can govern at this point is through executive order, which now are fascist of course

Posted by: blue.dot at December 26, 2013 12:34 PM (ynX3u)

Susan B. Anthony walks into a bar.

The bartender says, " Hello ma'am. What can I get you to drink?"

Susan B. Anthony replies , " give me a second. I'm trying to decide which liquor bottle looks the best "

Posted by: polynikes at December 26, 2013 12:34 PM (m2CN7)

50 Has any network mentioned attacks in Iraq & our embassy in Kabul yesterday? Of course not. Posted by: Carol at December 26, 2013 04:34 PM (v6YdM) Hey Man, we are not in business to harsh your Christmas mellow.

Posted by: MFM at December 26, 2013 12:35 PM (XIxXP)

51 Isn't the polls dropping still just about the website itself? What happens when people actually get billed, or lose their doctors, or the tens of millions continue to lose insurance or doctors in the next few years? There are so many people who are as of yet unaffected by what is to come. *** I'm going to go "greater good" here and hope that the misery drags out for as long as possible. Without that pain, short-term memory syndrome will kick in and the Dems will retain control in 2014. I know it's awful to say that but.... there... I said it. And, I mean it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 26, 2013 12:35 PM (DmNpO)

Christie and Hillary are neck and neck..

In a Chicken wing eating contest right.

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2013 12:35 PM (LI48c)

53 fixerupper at December 26, 2013 04:31 PM (nELVU) I agree. To date, the overwhelming focus has been on the website. Starting next week the real pain of Obamacare begins and Dems won't be recovering from that anytime soon.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 26, 2013 12:35 PM (g1DWB)

54 *Im paying THIS much and the deductible is WHAT???
........
This. I went looking at the plans again today on healthcare.gov. Holy shit. $6500 out of pocket for an individual!

It's like having no insurance at all!

By the time the elections roll around, enough people will have paid a good portion of their deductibles that iut wouldn't surprise me if they go after their Dem reps with pitchforks and torches!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 26, 2013 12:35 PM (f9c2L)

55 Have we had an appearance by Her Stompiness yet today? She got Skyrim. I almost pity those poor dragons.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 26, 2013 12:36 PM (naUcP)

56 frivolous position Like the Wheelbarrow? Happy Baby is my vote.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 12:36 PM (WhJf8)

Posted by: blue.dot at December 26, 2013 04:34 PM (ynX3u)

Stupid troll is stupid.

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2013 12:37 PM (LI48c)

58 speaking of which.. how many Dems do you think will have townhalls this year?

I read recently that one Dem was conducting a "Twitter Town Hall" hahahahahaha.. you submit your questions via Twitter... and, I am sure some flunky filters out the bad ones..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 26, 2013 12:37 PM (f9c2L)

59 I'm going to go "greater good" here and hope that the misery drags out for as long as possible. Frak greater good. I'm feelin' vindictive. Not quite Wrath of God level (reserved for use by the Proprietor of the Cosmos), but you know what they say about the only school fools learn in...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 26, 2013 12:37 PM (naUcP)

60 Remember picnics before wifi? You had no TV and had to amuse yourselves. We liked to measure a rope's length on a riverbank, and throw a log in, and see how fast it traveled the rope's length, and that gave you the speed of the river. We weren't going to build a mill to harness the river, or dam it. We couldn't predict the flow of the river in six months. But we sure wasted time measuring it. That's what tracking Obama favorables is.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 26, 2013 12:39 PM (5xmd7)

61 This. I went looking at the plans again today on healthcare.gov. Holy shit. $6500 out of pocket for an individual! Another reason I think 3-6 months for the real fireworks to start, rather than just a week or two. Lots of people have deductibles on their health insurance, even current policies. What they're not used to is a deductible that means that every service comes out of pocket all through the year. When May or June hit and people are *still* paying their deductibles (even though little Johnny had a broken leg, and little Jane had her tonsils removed), then they'll realize that they'll have to do that all over again the next year, too.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:39 PM (PYAXX)

62 The Holidays are times for elves.

http://tinyurl.com/knw2reu

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2013 12:39 PM (XUKZU)

63 I'm comparatively stable right now too.

Posted by: r.m.s. titanic at December 26, 2013 12:39 PM (f6z8e)

64 I dunno..... IMHO there are more "shoes" to drop over the course of 2014.

*Folks will figure out they cant keep the doctor they have.
*Im paying THIS much and the deductible is WHAT???>>

I have heard people bitch about rise in copays for the last 10 years. Those were $25-50 for visits and prescriptions. When this shitstorm hits the company paid market then it is likely to really get bad.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 26, 2013 12:39 PM (TI3xG)

65 49 Susan B. Anthony replies , " give me a second. I'm trying to decide which liquor bottle looks the best " Posted by: polynikes at December 26, 2013 04:34 PM (m2CN7) Clever.

Posted by: rickl at December 26, 2013 12:40 PM (zoehZ)

66 I think some of you pessimists are missing just how low the information in the LIV actually is. In 2014, the 404Care pain will be absolutely clear and absolutely powerful to even the lowest of the LIV's. To date, lots of people still have no idea what is coming in their clueless lives.

If your retort is that the GOP will screw this up (and some have above), I won't argue that you are wrong. But I may try to convince you that the mess that is here now and coming in greater breadth and depth later is so powerful that the GOP may not be able to screw it up no matter what they do.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 26, 2013 12:40 PM (KjlbF)

67 That last thread was just getting fun, what with the Trayvon Bible quotes and all.

Posted by: garrett at December 26, 2013 12:40 PM (V2m7a)

68 AllenG: "Blacks are also hurt quite a bit by Democrat policies..."

You know that's a pretty funny question but not in a ha-ha way. Logically, yes, a rewrite would be even more appropriate for that exact demographic. I understand the first vote specifically for Obama due to historic reasons and an expression of pride based on race. But the latter and the historical fealty to Democrats for now decades in view of what liberalism has done? It simply boggles the mind. The progressive expansion of State is malevolent for all except for a very select few, yet some groups seem congenitally inured to it no matter their own personal costs to it.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2013 12:41 PM (eHIJJ)

69 But I may try to convince you that the mess that is here now and coming in greater breadth and depth later is so powerful that the GOP may not be able to screw it up no matter what they do. One of the benefits of being a cynic is that if I'm surprised, I tend to be happily surprised. One of the down-sides is that I'm not surprised nearly as much as I'd like.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:42 PM (PYAXX)

70 When May or June hit and people are *still* paying their deductibles (even though little Johnny had a broken leg, and little Jane had her tonsils removed), then they'll realize that they'll have to do that all over again the next year, too. I broke my fibula four years ago. The entire package including pills, doctor visits, film, boot, etc. was $600. Not a hardship. This $6500 deductible is garbage insurance.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 12:42 PM (WhJf8)

71 I have to believe the RepubliCrats are jointly working on a scheme to negate ObamaCare's bad publicity. You know it's true.

Posted by: Trainer at December 26, 2013 12:42 PM (7EbAY)

72 1 Jan all NoCare insured patients will baying 100% upfront in out practice. If/when we get paid by the NoCare companies, they get their money back. It goes to a special escrow account WE control so no funny business.

Have fun kids!

That escrow account, would it by chance be interest bearing?

Posted by: Your "friends" at the Infernal Revenue Service at December 26, 2013 12:44 PM (4WhSY)

73 The Holidays are times for elves.

http://tinyurl.com/knw2reu
Posted by: WalrusRex
............
We saw that movie last week. My wife and I kept saying.. who is that elf chick? She looks so familiar!

When I got home I looked it up and couldn't believe it was Kate from Lost!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 26, 2013 12:44 PM (f9c2L)

74 Wait until the Republican candidates start talking up mysterious female parts and legitimate rape and abortion restrictions and then you'll *really* see some positive movement!

Posted by: GuyfromNH at December 26, 2013 12:44 PM (kbOju)

75 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2013 04:41 PM (eHIJJ) Actually, I'd suggest that it blows most "anthropological" arguments for the rise of civilization out of the water. People today can't/won't worry about anything beyond themselves, why would people put aside their differences to form civilizations? The point, of course, is that the problem is not that they have the privilege of the vote, it's that "they vote wrong." And I don't disagree with that, but I do disagree with taking away their privilege of the vote because "they vote wrong."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:44 PM (PYAXX)

76 One thing you can't regain when you've lost it is trust.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 26, 2013 12:46 PM (t3UFN)

77 I understand why the teacher's unions are against home schooling. I mean, Jesus was home schooled and look where it got him.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2013 12:46 PM (XUKZU)

78 I have to believe the RepubliCrats are jointly working on a scheme to negate ObamaCare's bad publicity. I believe the Reps went to the same schools, have the same friends, watch the same TV, read the same books, go to the same clubs, hire the same advisers as the Democrats. They are not ideological enemies. It's a game to them. They don't mind coming in second as long as they get to bang hookers and do insider trading.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 12:46 PM (WhJf8)

79 I broke my fibula four years ago. The entire package including pills, doctor visits, film, boot, etc. was $600. Not a hardship. This $6500 deductible is garbage insurance. Exactly. A $6500.00 deductible is the one you get when you a) absolutely cannot afford anything better AND b) know you're going to spend more than that anyway.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:46 PM (PYAXX)

80 One thing you can't regain when you've lost it is trust.
-
Yeah, Sir Barks-a-Lot ha been revealed to be not only arrogant and incompetent but also dishonest. That's going to leave a mark.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2013 12:47 PM (XUKZU)

81 I broke my fibula four years ago.
That's not very humerus. Here... have a Vicodin.

Posted by: dr. gregory house at December 26, 2013 12:47 PM (f6z8e)

82 AllenG: "What they're not used to is a deductible that means that every service comes out of pocket all through the year."

Yeah, every plan is a "Catastrophic Plan" at that point. Unless you get a federal subsidy from the outset, you can almost count on paying full weight throughout the year. Gold, Silver, Bronze, whatever. Just words.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2013 12:48 PM (eHIJJ)

83 November is a looooong ways away.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 26, 2013 12:48 PM (aDwsi)

84 I mean, Jesus was home schooled and look where it got him. Funny. We really don't know anything about His childhood. He went to the Temple at age twelve to wow the scholars. Other than that, zippo.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 12:49 PM (WhJf8)

85 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2013 04:41 PM (eHIJJ) Politics in much of the world is simply us against them. And the key is to find a small enough group of them and a large enough coalition of us. The advantage that liberals have is that they view economics as a conspiracy. Shadowy forces control gas prices, make obscene profits, etc.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 26, 2013 12:49 PM (T0NGe)

86 Congress isn't in session, and the President is taking a well-deserved 17 day vacation. So there isn't much news, apart from the manufactured kind.-ace Hey ace please re-read your 1st sentence. TFG taking a 17 day vacation is not well deserved

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 26, 2013 12:49 PM (HVff2)

87 20 Speaking of polls there's one out today that says in a potential Presidential match up Christie and Hillary are neck and neck..... We are sooooo screwed... Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at December 26, 2013 04:25 PM (9+ccr) Actually, that is awful news for Hillary!. As well known as she is compared to Christie, she should have a 10 point lead at this point.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 26, 2013 12:49 PM (BXLPR)

88 Quoting Ace: "Congress isn't in session, and the President is taking a well-deserved 17 day vacation. So there isn't much news, apart from the manufactured kind."

I sincerely hope that was tongue in cheek sarcasm regarding the well-deserved 17 day vacation. The guy never works. His daily schedule is a joke. He is both lazy and inept. I am glad he is away, but, never try to convince me that he deserves anything but impeachment and jail time.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, it's what you pray for in your Christmas Stocking! at December 26, 2013 12:49 PM (kXoT0)

89 But I may try to convince you that the mess that is here now and coming in greater breadth and depth later is so powerful that the GOP may not be able to screw it up no matter what they do.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 26, 2013 04:40 PM (KjlbF)

Oh you might be right about that. Of course even then they will ultimately screw it up. Because they will wind up passing shit like amnesty. So it may not hurt now, but the ripple effects will be very painful.

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2013 12:50 PM (LI48c)

90 I'd almost like to be in some doctor's office on the East coast, right as the first customer- 404Care policy card in their hot little hand- first finds out they have to pay 100% of the bill (less contract discount) instead of their normal $25 - $35 copay. The schadenfreude would keep me warm all the way home to Texas.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:50 PM (PYAXX)

91 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 26, 2013 04:49 PM (HVff2) It's well deserved for us. May he enjoy his vacation and continue it. $4M over 17 days is much cheaper than him getting his way in DC.

Posted by: AMDG at December 26, 2013 12:50 PM (t7OO0)

92 The advantage that liberals have is that they view economics as a conspiracy. The view everything as a conspiracy. They have a badly defective idea of how things work, and when reality fails to match it, somebody must have screwed them over. It's a very immature worldview.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 26, 2013 12:51 PM (naUcP)

93 Yeah, every plan is a "Catastrophic Plan" at that point. Unless you get a federal subsidy from the outset, you can almost count on paying full weight throughout the year. Gold, Silver, Bronze, whatever. Just words.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2013 04:48 PM (eHIJJ)

----

But.... on the other hand..... I feel so..... secure.... in the knowlege that my wife and I, as 50 somethings, have prenatal dentistry coverage, her post menopausal birthcontrol pills are "free", and that my gender reassignment therapy is now covered.

***spit***

Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2013 12:51 PM (nELVU)

94 BTW, that $600 I mention above, that was out of pocket without insurance. I was a software contractor with zero insurance other than catastrophic.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 12:51 PM (WhJf8)

95 AllenG: "Blacks are also hurt quite a bit by Democrat policies..." I like to use Marxist terms against the Leftists. This would be an example of people having "false consciousness". It's really my favorite Marxist phrase.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 26, 2013 12:51 PM (T0NGe)

96 Only place where Obamacare's favorables are truly rising is in Pajamaboy's onesie.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at December 26, 2013 12:52 PM (R5qgD)

97 Poll: Obama's Recovered Some of the Big Loss of Support From the Healthcare.Gov Debacle,... Yeah, right. He didn't do anything of any fucking substance, and he somehow recovers? The assholes conducting this "poll" are shameless pieces of shit.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 26, 2013 12:52 PM (G5cc0)

98 86 Congress isn't in session, and the President is taking a well-deserved 17 day vacation. So there isn't much news, apart from the manufactured kind.-ace

Hey ace please re-read your 1st sentence. TFG taking a 17 day vacation is not well deserved

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 26, 2013 04:49 PM (HVff2)

Hello, I don't believe we've met.

Posted by: sarcasm at December 26, 2013 12:52 PM (LI48c)

99 Funny. We really don't know anything about His childhood. He went to the Temple at age twelve to wow the scholars. Other than that, zippo. We know he was a Rabbi, which meant he almost certainly went to school. But if it helps, it was a private religious school.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at December 26, 2013 12:52 PM (PYAXX)

100 On track? I believe that the proper AoS Style Book form is "poised to"

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2013 12:52 PM (c2oll)

101 "Hey Reggie, Find out how to say "FORE" in Hawaiian."

Posted by: broco bomba at December 26, 2013 12:53 PM (J8TNb)

102 Sorry Ace. I disagree. Obama's 17 day vacation is not well deserved.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 26, 2013 12:55 PM (V70Uh)

103 Find out how to say "FORE" in Hawaiian."

-----

pokalottabutt

Posted by: Reggie at December 26, 2013 12:55 PM (nELVU)

104
The ONLY thing that matters is How Much Support Are The Democrats Losing From People Who Vote For Democrats.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 26, 2013 12:56 PM (vyPsz)

105 We certainly deserve a 17 day break from him.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 26, 2013 12:56 PM (ECZYG)

106 I'm going to go "greater good" here and hope that the misery drags out for as long as possible. Without that pain, short-term memory syndrome will kick in and the Dems will retain control in 2014. I know it's awful to say that but.... there... I said it. And, I mean it. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December It's kind of like physical therapy, no pain, no gain. Hope they feel it bad

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 26, 2013 12:56 PM (HVff2)

107 "Hey Reggie, What are you doing with that pineapple?"

Posted by: broco bomba at December 26, 2013 12:57 PM (J8TNb)

108
Re: another wave election?

Child, please.

Republicans don't even have Me voting for them in '14.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 26, 2013 12:57 PM (KeJAW)

109 And, while the public isn't quite as harsh on Obama and Obmacare as it was three weeks ago, it's also trending towards the GOP as far as Congressional races.

Look for the GOP to fix that in a hurry.

Posted by: Null at December 26, 2013 12:58 PM (xjpRj)

110 The advantage that liberals have is that they view economics as a conspiracy. Shadowy forces control gas prices, make obscene profits, etc. Yep. Remember when there was a breakdown of the cost of a gallon of gas. It had $0.08 as profit, $0.48 as taxes $1.71 as the crude, etc. I pointed out to many a lefty that if the "Evil Oil Companies" had their profit completely cut out we'd only pay eight cents less per gallon. If we cut taxes out the reduction in price would be 6x more than that. Nope, nothing, zero effect. They wanted to talk about how many billions in profit Exxon Mobile made.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 12:58 PM (WhJf8)

111 "Hey Reggie,

Find out how to say "FORE" in Hawaiian." Posted by: broco bomba
-
ComonIwannalayya.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2013 12:58 PM (XUKZU)

112 Federal authorities charge white Â‘knockoutÂ’ suspect with hate crime

http://tinyurl.com/ngahk9l

-----

O/T I know..... but..... NOW its a federal issue.....

Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2013 12:59 PM (nELVU)

113 What I would like to know is where our "booming holiday retail sales" stories are? Oh, wait we don't get a prosperity montage this Christmas season? Hmm, what's that about?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 26, 2013 12:59 PM (RZ8pf)

114 Hey ace please re-read your 1st sentence. TFG taking a 17 day vacation is not well deserve.
--

I think you misunderstand. He doesn't deserve the vacay, WE do, from him. I'm always happy when the JEF is out of the country, or at least off the mainland (sorry, Hawaii).

Posted by: Mayday at December 26, 2013 01:00 PM (eHc+1)

115 O/T I know..... but..... NOW its a federal issue..... How clear-cut are the other cases? This one has the idiot aggressor on camera stating his choice of victim is based on race.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 01:00 PM (WhJf8)

116 Find out how to say "FORE" in Hawaiian."

Posted by: broco bomba
-
ComonIwannalayya.>>

ComonIwannapaytalayya.

FIFY

Posted by: The Hickster at December 26, 2013 01:01 PM (TI3xG)

117 SOON

Posted by: Single Payer at December 26, 2013 01:01 PM (/YkzI)

118 SOON

Posted by: Single Payer at December 26, 2013 05:01 PM (/YkzI)

---

** cough cough **

Posted by: Math at December 26, 2013 01:01 PM (nELVU)

119
Holidays sales were "unexpectedly" disappointing.

But car sales are up 4% from a year ago!

And the housing market is still 'poised' for recovery!

Posted by: soothsayer at December 26, 2013 01:01 PM (vzLhi)

120 SOON Posted by: Single Payer Bitch, please.

Posted by: Math at December 26, 2013 01:02 PM (naUcP)

121 One! Frakking! Minute! /shakes fist at nELVU

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 26, 2013 01:02 PM (naUcP)

122

>>This $6500 deductible is garbage insurance.

.None of this is really insurance unless you count getting free birth control or discounted abortions Health Insurance. All this has become is a catastrophic cap policy at a hugely inflated price. Families now have a $12,000 out of pocket that kicks in 1 January. People are going to be pi$$ed come the 4th of July and still having to be pulling out the credit/debit card to pay the Doctor or Pharmacy for stuff that used to be covered.

Posted by: Registered Voter at December 26, 2013 01:03 PM (0DC/m)

123 But car sales are up 4% from a year ago! Hasn't the average age of the cars on the road been creeping up to about a decade? Maybe sales are up because people are forced to buy a new car rather than buying for other reasons.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 01:03 PM (WhJf8)

124 One! Frakking! Minute! /shakes fist at nELVU

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 26, 2013 05:02 PM (naUcP)

---

<<smooch>>

Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2013 01:03 PM (nELVU)

125 The "generic ballot" poll is 100% useless until September at the earliest.

Allah loves polls. He can post the results with a few quick observations and be guaranteed to stir up a slew of comments, which in turn help make it appear he actually wrote something when he did not.

Remember, his Salem overlords aren't all that bright. They apparently believe "popover" ads endear them to the site's visitors, for instance.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 26, 2013 01:03 PM (473jB)

126 People are going to be pi$$ed come the 4th of July and still having to be pulling out the credit/debit card to pay the Doctor or Pharmacy for stuff that used to be covered. Shared sacrifice.

Posted by: Obama on a private plane bound for Hawaii[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 01:04 PM (WhJf8)

127 Off topic but how long will a dead squirrel stink in your attic? Living in Atlanta, temps 50's for high, 30 for low.

Posted by: nuclearjim at December 26, 2013 01:04 PM (hoz+K)

128
Oh yeah, the TV told me that 2014 will be a robust year...but only if Congress "works together."

And by 'robust,' they mean 3, 3.25, maybe even 3.5% increase in GDP!!

Posted by: soothsayer at December 26, 2013 01:05 PM (FC8Yl)

129 35 Oh and don't forget that onece these clowns come back we have to pass a spending bill to restore the Ryan cuts to military pensions. There will more than likely be no concomitant spending cuts anywhere else. And it looks like the donks have minimum wage and unemployment extensions on deck in other words lots of squirrels to look forward to. I don't think 2014 is going to go the way people thinks it is Posted by: Kreplach at December 26, 2013 04:30 PM (Xkr8I) But once October rolls around and a shitload of Americans start getting a memo from their company that their insurance has been cancelled, Obama's numbers today will be thought of as his high water marks.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 26, 2013 01:05 PM (BXLPR)

130

The only interest in polls that I'll have (which isn't much) are the ones this next summer. AND if the election happens to be close for any campaign, all of us know that it will go to the dems. The crooked voting laws in some states and the unions will make sure of that.

Posted by: The Chicken at December 26, 2013 01:05 PM (QSL7Q)

131 SOON

Posted by: Single Payer
Bitch, please.
Posted by: Math

Don't be so sure (See Britain)

Posted by: The guys with the guns at December 26, 2013 01:05 PM (TI3xG)

132 But car sales are up 4% from a year ago!

Thanks to Cash for Clunkers, there's a lot fewer used cars available....

Posted by: wiserbud at December 26, 2013 01:05 PM (NXg/k)

133 Nude post up.

Posted by: johnd01 at December 26, 2013 01:06 PM (ukNFU)

134 Don't be so sure (See Britain) Posted by: The guys with the guns You rang?

Posted by: Second Amendment at December 26, 2013 01:06 PM (naUcP)

135 SOON Posted by: Single Payer Bitch, please. Posted by: Math at December 26, 2013 05:02 PM (naUcP) Potato!

Posted by: Common Core Math at December 26, 2013 01:07 PM (/YkzI)

136 If I had any say on voting rights it would revert back to "property owner" Possibly modified to "net income tax payer over lifetime" and maybe carve outs for military service. Doesn't matter what your gender race or age is, if you are on the dole you are quite a bit more likely to vote for the Santa figure that is promising to increase your allowance vs if you are trying to maintain value in a property or run a business.

Posted by: palerider at December 26, 2013 01:07 PM (dkExz)

137 But car sales are up 4% from a year ago!

----

Might also have something to due with the elimination of the sales tax deduction for federal tax next year.

Citizens in states with no state income tax will no longer be allowed to deduct sales tax in lieu of income tax starting next year. Buy those big ticket items now.

Funny...... but almost all states with no state income tax are blue states. What a coincidence.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2013 01:08 PM (nELVU)

138 A federal agent who exposed the Justice DepartmentÂ’s flawed gun-trafficking investigation known as Operation Fast and Furious says the FBI played a key role in events leading to the 2010 murder near Nogales, Ariz., of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

John Dodson, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, contends that the bandits who killed Terry were working for FBI operatives and were sent to the border to do a drug rip-off using intelligence from the federal Drug Enforcement Administration.

Â“I donÂ’t think the (FBI) assets were part of the rip-off crew,Â” Dodson said. Â“I think they were directing the rip crew.Â”

http://tinyurl.com/mypxq64

Curiouser and curiouser. Well, not to the MBM.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2013 01:08 PM (XUKZU)

139 AmishDude: "Politics in much of the world is simply us against them. And the key is to find a small enough group of them and a large enough coalition of us."

Ahh, the politics of division. Certainly a lot of that going around. As you suggest, find the nugget that binds a group - any group - and you hijack power pretty readily. Identify a group's prejudices and exploit them for social advantage. As old as Man.

The thing is we're supposed to have brains to discriminate between those things that cause us harm and those that do not. When members give up their individual identity to the groupthink, they perpetuate a collapse... the groups' and their own. You'd think the individuals would learn from that. But there's that word again: Think.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2013 01:08 PM (eHIJJ)

140 O.T. The Gleens were on MSNBC, and they had this to say: Sure. I do defend him [Snowden] just like people on MSNBC defend President Obama and his officials and Democratic Party leaders 24 hours a day. Interesting.

Posted by: Obama on a private plane bound for Hawaii[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 26, 2013 01:08 PM (WhJf8)

141 Thanks to Cash for Clunkers, there's a lot fewer used cars available.... *** I was reviewing a few of the CfC vids on You tube a couple of weeks ago and it made my blood boil all over again. A great many working families could have benefited from those vehicles. I'd rather they were given away to those who could use them than to destroy a functioning, useful piece of machinery.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 26, 2013 01:09 PM (DmNpO)

142 Also, as to car sales being up. Many people were holding on to their old cars out of necessity but, eventually, there comes a time when the cost of repairs and maintenance, as well as the inconvenience, outweigh the cost of a new car, and they relent.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 26, 2013 01:11 PM (DmNpO)

143 Hasn't the average age of the cars on the road been creeping up to about a decade? Maybe sales are up because people are forced to buy a new car rather than buying for other reasons. Posted by: bonhomme at December 26, 2013 05:03 PM (WhJf

Yep, and good used cars are worth more now that at anytime in recent history.

Posted by: MFM at December 26, 2013 01:11 PM (XIxXP)

144 I was reviewing a few of the CfC vids on You tube a couple of weeks ago and it made my blood boil all over again.

A great many working families could have benefited from those vehicles. I'd rather they were given away to those who could use them than to destroy a functioning, useful piece of machinery.>>

Even for the purpose claimed (to save energy) CfC was crap. These people have no idea what amount of energy it takes to build anything like cars, wind farms or solar panels. Wise use of things already produced is almost always better than throwing functioning items away to save energy.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 26, 2013 01:17 PM (TI3xG)

145 Hasn't the average age of the cars on the road been creeping up to about a decade? Maybe sales are up because people are forced to buy a new car rather than buying for other reasons. Posted by: bonhomme at December 26, 2013 05:03 PM (WhJf Yep. I was hoping to get another couple of years out of my car, but it had other plans this fall, so now I have a new car in the driveway. I would have gotten a used car that was a year or 2 old with low mileage, but the price difference with them and a new car isn't that big.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 26, 2013 01:18 PM (BXLPR)

146 Voters have finally decided Obama is a lying incompetent, with an emphasis on lying. That's my main take-away from recent polling, and I think the adeocrats have to find some dramatic way to reverse that situation or they'll get hammered in the midterms. The GOP can just stand there for the moment, saying nothing; right now, its all about Obama

Posted by: MTF at December 26, 2013 01:18 PM (F58x4)

147

>>Yep, and good used cars are worth more now that at anytime in recent history.

.I got $4,000 for a 2004 Toyota corolla with 135,000 miles on it last year cash. I paid a little less than $11,000 for it new, taxes title and everything.

Posted by: Registered Voter at December 26, 2013 01:19 PM (0DC/m)

148 Wise use of things already produced is almost always better than throwing functioning items away to save energy. *** Absolutely

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 26, 2013 01:25 PM (DmNpO)

149 Wise use of things already produced is almost always better than throwing functioning items away to save energy.

CfC strkes me as though they went out of their way to show us just as quickly as possible just how fucking stupid and incompetent they could be with zero pushback or consequences.

Almost as if they were testing the waters somehow....

Posted by: wiserbud at December 26, 2013 01:26 PM (NXg/k)

150 141 Thanks to Cash for Clunkers, there's a lot fewer used cars available.... *** I was reviewing a few of the CfC vids on You tube a couple of weeks ago and it made my blood boil all over again. A great many working families could have benefited from those vehicles. I'd rather they were given away to those who could use them than to destroy a functioning, useful piece of machinery. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 26, 2013 05:09 PM (DmNpO) Saw the exact same model of my old car on the dealers lot with the "CfC" stuff painted on the windows. So many parts from that car could have been used for people to keep their cars on the road since a lot of the parts were no longer being made. It is just another case of liberals not knowing anything about what low income and middle class voters actually need.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 26, 2013 01:29 PM (BXLPR)

151 I'm sadly convinced that no matter what Barry does he would get elected again

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 26, 2013 01:37 PM (JivuR)

152 If conservatives would drop dumb social issues like abortion and birth control, we'd easily have a majority of female voters as well.

But keep nominating idiots like Cuccinelli and Akin and we'll keep losing elections we should be winning.

Even with the disastrous ObamaCare rollout, I guarantee you some Republican is going to blow an election or two chasing the religious extremist vote.

Posted by: Uniden at December 26, 2013 02:45 PM (13G+x)

153 I know it's awful to say that but.... there... I said it. Regardless of whether it's awful or not, it needs to be said.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 26, 2013 05:56 PM (G5cc0)

154 After a certain amount of time people stop being quite as pissed, make the decision that they'll do something about it when the time comes (election day), and move on a little bit. I think that is why the numbers have stabilized for Bambi. Doesn't mean things are getting better for him. Just means the new-found passion against him has cooled into resolve against him.

Posted by: deepelemblues at December 27, 2013 12:06 PM (lFU4D)

Hide Comments | Add Comment | Refresh | Top

Comments are disabled. Post is locked.

153kb generated in CPU 0.1151, elapsed 0.2984 seconds.
64 queries taking 0.2711 seconds, 282 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.