June 25, 2013
— Ace I'm not sure why Obama would publicly make a demand he should have known would be refused.
Although my sneaking suspicion is that Obama doesn't want Snowden extradited. The politics of an arrest and prosecution would be too dicey, given his spying on AP and James Rosen.
And yet he's supposed to prosecute Snowden. So maybe he's making public demands for Snowden in hopes they'd be refused.
This occurred to me when Alan Derschowitz suggested that Snowden shouldn't be charged with anything more than simple theft, in order to reduce the justification for a foreign country to refuse extradition. He specifically did not think Snowden should be charged with espionage or treason -- not if we actually wanted our request entertained.* But late Friday night, the news was leaked Snowden was being charged with treason.
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit. Maybe he's just not very good at presidentin'.
Russian President Vladimir Putin says that National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden is in the transit zone of a Moscow airport and will not be extradited to the United States.Putin said that Snowden hasn't crossed the Russian border and is free to go anywhere.
* By the way, I don't understand how Derschowitz' gabit was imagined to be useful. It's not like the Chinese or Russians wouldn't have realized the real charge underlying the stated one.
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Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 25, 2013 07:58 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (V1ZIU)
Here's what Obammy's thinking:
"If I make this extradition demand publicly, and Putin refuses, then the public will have sympathy for me and will be angry at Putin for being a big meanie to the Leader of the Free World, and how DARE that big scary Russian thumb his nose at the US!"
Here's what will actually happen:
"Oh, great. Our pussy of a Preezy just got tossed around like a Raggedy Andy doll on the global stage. Wonderful. And the best we have to counter with is John F'ing Kerry. FanTAStic."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: ALH at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (yAPdC)
This post needs a pic of Obama on his girlie bike.
...or Giada's melons.
Either way would be a big improvement.
Posted by: garrett at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (R14nX)
Posted by: Barackenaten I at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (QLNHI)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Roy at June 25, 2013 08:00 AM (VndSC)
Putin said that Snowden hasn't crossed the Russian border and is free to go anywhere."
"The odds of Putin extraditing Snowden could have perhaps been guessed as low when the leaker was seen over the weekend wearing a New England Patriot's Super Bowl ring around Moscow."Posted by: Mr. Happy-Ounce of Prevention, Pound of Cure at June 25, 2013 08:01 AM (Hfjmb)
So are airport terminals some kind of international limbo? And Snowden is playing out the Tom Hanks character from Terminal?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 25, 2013 08:01 AM (Mxs5H)
You think that Obama is playing 3-dimensional chess over this. I think he's just a f*cking jagoff in way over his head yet again.
King me!
Posted by: President Sweaty McFourputt at June 25, 2013 08:01 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: garrett at June 25, 2013 08:01 AM (R14nX)
"Maybe I'm giving him too much credit. Maybe he's just not very good at presidentin'."
The simplest explanation is the right one.
Posted by: Occam's Roller Blades at June 25, 2013 08:01 AM (5RUlF)
Posted by: ALH at June 25, 2013 08:02 AM (yAPdC)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 25, 2013 08:02 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Dang at June 25, 2013 08:02 AM (Hx2XA)
Tom Hanks was in this movie, right?
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 08:02 AM (codCi)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 25, 2013 08:03 AM (IyKYr)
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 25, 2013 08:03 AM (BLAfs)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 25, 2013 08:03 AM (GcwH1)
Stop criticizing my lover while I'm swooning.
Posted by: Juice Boxer at June 25, 2013 08:03 AM (5RUlF)
Putin looks at lil' Barry and sees a soft, metrosexual pussy.
Sucks for us.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 25, 2013 08:04 AM (lVPtV)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 08:04 AM (codCi)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 25, 2013 08:04 AM (V1ZIU)
Everything he does works towards one goal or the other, including climate change, economics, and immigration.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 25, 2013 08:05 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 25, 2013 08:06 AM (5YUSx)
Posted by: Dang at June 25, 2013 08:06 AM (Hx2XA)
Snowden represents a number of other PR problems for TFG should the extradition request actually be honored. Among which general incompetence with the job of safeguarding US national security looms large.
Snowden slipped through a security-clearance background-check process that the US Office of Personnel Management had subcontracted off to a company that is now under criminal investigation for falsification of multiple such background checks. Moreover, OPM's Inspector General has said that it has no way of properly auditing/tracing what happened to a related $1billion in OPM appropriation.
And there's probably a lot of other nasty stuff under various rocks that Snowden could point out. If you were TFG, would you really try all that hard to get him back to US soil?
Posted by: RamonAllones at June 25, 2013 08:06 AM (2/63a)
>>>>Putin looks at lil' Barry and sees a soft, metrosexual pussy.
Putin has taken off his shirt and pulled out an extra large ribbed condom.
Posted by: Roy at June 25, 2013 08:06 AM (VndSC)
25 "Has there been a single, unarguable instance in which the JEF-the light ringer-has changed international relations for the better?"
Well, we sure like TFG
Posted by: The New Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya Islamist Dictators at June 25, 2013 08:06 AM (5RUlF)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 25, 2013 08:06 AM (KwX0v)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at June 25, 2013 08:06 AM (9Bdcz)
Posted by: Javems at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (nTgAI)
Everything Choom Boy does is based on knee-jerk reaction. Consequences aren't considered, so long as they happen more than two minutes from the time he acts.
After all, he can make up for any missteps by exerting his "laser-like focus" on this tomorrow.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (KvM9d)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (lVPtV)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (Vgn84)
Everything he does works towards one goal or the other, including climate change, economics, and immigration.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 25, 2013 12:05 PM (GoIUi)
You nailed it. Somebody Sunni owns him, lock, stock, and barrel. He's their man and does their bidding.
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2013 08:08 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 25, 2013 08:08 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: akula_51 at June 25, 2013 12:07 PM (Vgn84)
We'll be pivoting back to climate change this afternoon.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:08 AM (4df7R)
Wow. RIP, Vince.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 25, 2013 08:09 AM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Tushar at June 25, 2013 08:09 AM (dTVzH)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 08:09 AM (KvM9d)
is a gabit like a gambit with less risk?
(I know I am the worst at printing misspellings but I couldn't resist)
Posted by: thunderb at June 25, 2013 08:09 AM (nH8jP)
I had a thought yesterday. (I know, I know. This is your shocked face :0 )
This president seems to be immune or impervious to criticism from domestic critics, thanks to a big dose of cover provided by the press. Perhaps he will be more sensitive (and responsive) to ridicule from the world stage.
Probably just wishful thinking on my part.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 25, 2013 08:09 AM (ND7TC)
Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2013 12:08 PM (FcR7P)
And the World Cup!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:09 AM (4df7R)
There's always more than meets the eye. Look at the trees, you forest chimps.
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 25, 2013 12:06 PM (KwX0v)
[Tosses shit at soothsayer]
Posted by: joncelli, forest chimp at June 25, 2013 08:10 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2013 08:10 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 25, 2013 08:11 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 25, 2013 08:11 AM (lVPtV)
Who?
Posted by: Bill Murry at June 25, 2013 08:11 AM (WujO7)
https://www.readyforhillary.com/store
Posted by: Mallfly
LOLZ! That is some of the creepiest looking shit I have ever seen! WTF?!? It looks like one of those morbidly obese people who have a little face floating is a sea of fat! LOL!
Posted by: Dang at June 25, 2013 08:12 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 25, 2013 08:12 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 25, 2013 08:12 AM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Alan Derschowitz at June 25, 2013 08:13 AM (C+qQ0)
...or Giada's melons.
Puhleeze. Id rather a pic of Helen Thomas, bareback, in a naughty nightie than another pic of the Jug Eared Fool under any circumstances. But the Giada pic would be fine, too.
I'd accept a pic of the Limp Gimp under one scenario -- teary eyed, in cuffs, being led away from Marine One.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 25, 2013 08:13 AM (ccXZP)
Snowden could still be in China being umped and pimped by the ChiComs. Or Russia is refusing to let him leave until they get a copy of everything he has. Or they have him and are interrogating him and fuck us.
Meanwhile...
Posted by: thunderb at June 25, 2013 08:13 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2013 08:13 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 25, 2013 12:11 PM (lVPtV)
At least Putin LEADS. He's an asshole who only cares about his own power and silences his critics regularly, but at least when he gets up there and says, "Russia's not going to do A, B or C," everyone knows that Russia will not, in fact, be doing A, B or C.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:13 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2013 08:13 AM (9XBK2)
https://www.readyforhillary.com/store
Posted by: Mallfly
Ready for Hillary...
TO CONSUME YOUR SOUL! Ahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Posted by: joncelli, forest chimp at June 25, 2013 08:13 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: kpayne at June 25, 2013 08:13 AM (DaTPI)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 25, 2013 08:14 AM (B/VB5)
"Everything Choom Boy does is based on knee-jerk reaction. Consequences aren't considered, so long as they happen more than two minutes from the time he acts."
I don't think so. He spent a lot of time with the head of the IRS thinking about th 2012 election. He's pretty good at campaigning Chicago-style -- knee-capping his opponents and picking the right team ("Hey, don't worry about those foreign contributions, we'll just make it so you can't track them.").
No doubt he is working on changing the 22nd Amendment.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 25, 2013 08:14 AM (5RUlF)
OMG...
https://www.readyforhillary.com/store
Posted by: Mallfly
Holy shit that's terrifying.
Oh, and so's the merchandise.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Dang at June 25, 2013 08:14 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: zsasz at June 25, 2013 08:14 AM (MMC8r)
not only has he dumped his wife for a new much younger gal, she is a former rhythmic gymnast and super super limber
I believe she bore him a son a couple of years ago
Posted by: thunderb at June 25, 2013 08:14 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: Guidos 'takig Amnesty up the ass in AZ' at June 25, 2013 08:15 AM (8I9hB)
The judge can end this whole farce before the defense ever puts on their side if she thinks the state has blown their wad and come up empty.
He definitely does not sit at the grownup table...and I think his trouble with international respect can be traced back to his ludicrous bowing to foreign heads of state.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 08:16 AM (qoQi/)
Then, when he saw him riding a girl's bike, with that silly helmet, he knew he had us all by the short hairs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 25, 2013 08:16 AM (lVPtV)
Go ahead, argue Eric Holder's and Obama's case for them.
And as long as we're talking about traitors - remember this is the administration that has a genuine certified Hero of Communist Victory as its Secretary of State.
Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 25, 2013 08:16 AM (ylhEn)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 25, 2013 08:16 AM (8dspl)
Because he and his idiot staff have the foreign policy chops of a green walnut.
He should have told them if you don't give us Snowden we will send you the Ratfaced Iranian.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 08:17 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: Roy at June 25, 2013 08:17 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 25, 2013 08:17 AM (hHgxI)
And I can hear those Obamabots now: "Gee, Michelle knows how the White House works and has already met most of the foreign leaders, plus Barack will be right there to help her. YAY!"
You know I am right.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 25, 2013 08:17 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 25, 2013 08:17 AM (LnQr8)
The point would be to give a reasonable country, say Singapore or England a fig leaf to hide behind. Since he's not going to anything resembling reasonable, the point is moot.
Posted by: Jean at June 25, 2013 08:17 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Cyrus Pants at June 25, 2013 08:17 AM (scDPS)
Posted by: The NSA, IRS, DOJ, ATF, and State Dept. at June 25, 2013 08:18 AM (FcR7P)
Shouldn't you be busy affixing rainbow stickers to all your office windows and scalpels?
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 25, 2013 08:18 AM (ccXZP)
Allegedly it's coming with a bunch of executive orders, so we have that to look forward to.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 25, 2013 08:18 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 25, 2013 08:19 AM (hHgxI)
Posted by: Roy at June 25, 2013 12:17 PM (VndSC) -----------------
Oh, perfect...and the slap fight thing. lol.
Posted by: Guidos 'takig Amnesty up the ass in AZ' at June 25, 2013 08:19 AM (8I9hB)
OT, but related to the earlier DrewM post -- Obama is apparently "deeply disappointed" by the SCOTUS decision on VRA.
So chalk that up as a silver lining for the day.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:19 AM (4df7R)
I had not seen hat in any of the reports. But I have been skipping most of the Snowden crap because I really don't give a crap what they do to him.
We have not charged anyone with treason in decades because the courts have become so shitty that it is almost impossible to get a conviction.
He is guaranteeing that Snowden will walk even f they do send him back. Holder is an even bigger idiot than I thought. Maybe he'll charge Obama with treason. There is a lot more evidence there for that.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 08:20 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 25, 2013 08:20 AM (D5iHx)
Posted by: Mallfly at June 25, 2013 12:19 PM (bJm7W)
The screeching slap fights alone would make it worth watching.
Posted by: joncelli, forest chimp at June 25, 2013 08:20 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Valerie "my voice is impossibly annoying ain't it?" Jarrett at June 25, 2013 08:20 AM (4eNxd)
Any day that TFG is "deeply disappointed" or pissed off is a good day.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 25, 2013 08:20 AM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 25, 2013 08:21 AM (GoIUi)
http://junkscience.com/2013/06/25/obamas-climate-plan-revealed/
Posted by: Mallfly at June 25, 2013 08:21 AM (bJm7W)
Allegedly it's coming with a bunch of executive orders, so we have that to look forward to.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 25, 2013 12:18 PM (B/VB5)
According to CSPAN it's supposed to be at 1:55pm Eastern. So expect it to be more like 2:15-2:30.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:21 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 25, 2013 08:21 AM (Q9qpj)
Shouldn't you be busy affixing rainbow stickers to all your office windows and scalpels?
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 25, 2013 12:18 PM (ccXZP)
*****
I eagerly look forward to the opportunity to excel under the masterful guidance of my new Obamacare overlords.
But not until next week, because I'm on vacay this week!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 25, 2013 08:21 AM (ND7TC)
Leftist-Gnome Business Plan:
1. Capture the Hollywood and the media
2. Legalize public employee unions
3. Dumb down the public schools
4. Capture the bureacracy
5. Print money like crazy to pay off all of the above.
6. Profit!
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 25, 2013 08:21 AM (5RUlF)
those ready for Hillary t-shirts are purrfect
she is like the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland
Alice didn't think that proved it at all; however, she went on: 'And how do you know that you're mad?'
'To begin with,' said the Cat, 'a dog's not mad. You grant that?'
'I suppose so,' said Alice.
'Well then,' the Cat went on, 'you see, a dog growls when it's angry, and wags its tail when it's pleased. Now I growl when I'm pleased, and wag my tail when I'm angry. Therefore I'm mad.'
makes me think of her Benghazi performance before Congress
Posted by: thunderb at June 25, 2013 08:22 AM (nH8jP)
The hell is going on with copy/paste?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 12:20 PM (qoQi/)
PBCaK
Problem Between Chair and Keyboard.
Posted by: buzzion at June 25, 2013 08:22 AM (LI48c)
You've got to remember that Obama is an amateur.
It's not so much that he's an amateur (which he is), it's also the fact that Chicago-style politics doesn't always work everywhere.
Turf, baby, turf. And Puty protects his like a slightly disgruntled Mafia don.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 25, 2013 08:22 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2013 08:22 AM (9XBK2)
Yeah, my money is on that one.
Posted by: Berserker at June 25, 2013 08:23 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at June 25, 2013 08:23 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Dang at June 25, 2013 08:23 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 25, 2013 12:16 PM (B/VB5)
Are you ready for Hillary......to come inside you?!?
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 25, 2013 08:23 AM (b9K4P)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 25, 2013 08:23 AM (ND7TC)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 25, 2013 08:23 AM (xIzGn)
Try him in absentia and then hound him until he screws up and we can grab him and bring him back here to serve his sentence.
Posted by: polynikes at June 25, 2013 08:24 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 25, 2013 08:24 AM (hHgxI)
Problem Between Chair and Keyboard.
It's not a difficult task to learn, but from now on, I'll just have to proof my posts before hitting 'post'.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 08:24 AM (qoQi/)
Are you ready for Hillary......to come inside you?!?
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 25, 2013 12:23 PM (b9K4P)
Honey, nobody's ready for that. Take my word for it.
Posted by: Huma at June 25, 2013 08:25 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 08:25 AM (KvM9d)
You've got to remember that Obama is an amateur.
"I'm told the case is now closed,
So I can come to my senses.
But when the question is posed,
I'll have this meager defense:
'I was hoping that you'd know better than that.
I was hoping, but you're an amateur.
I was hoping that you'd know better,
But I've been wrong before...'"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:25 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: occam at June 25, 2013 08:25 AM (71sq+)
Turf, baby, turf. And Puty protects his like a slightly disgruntled Mafia don.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 25, 2013 12:22 PM (0HooB)
This, Chicago politics doesn't work in foreign policy. Outside of America and Western Europe it's harder game. How ever "tough' Obama thinks he is, everyone else is tougher. You can't shout down fellow tyrants.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 25, 2013 08:25 AM (b9K4P)
And besides all the above say this three times
SNOWDEN.IS.NOT.THE.ISSUE
Obama spying on us for political reasons is the issue
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 08:26 AM (lZvxr)
Sexually?
Because that is a profoundly disturbing idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 25, 2013 12:24 PM (WW8xK)
----------------------
My penis just bruised my spleen in its hasty retreat from dangling outside my body.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 25, 2013 08:26 AM (32Ze2)
There are some east coast based energy companies who produce electricity with coal, yet their CEOs are huge, I mean huge, prog tards.
Think Maryland and NJ. They are huge dem donors. The JEF is going to regulate the shit out of the electricity producers, but he is going to give them some kind of kick back. No doubt. None at all. Crony socialism.
Posted by: thunderb at June 25, 2013 08:26 AM (nH8jP)
It is. This is going to be a train wreck. He's going to ask the EPA to essentially regulate coal into the ground with new industry emission standards ASAP.
I'm guessing DC will be exempt from the rolling blackouts.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 08:26 AM (qoQi/)
Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2013 08:27 AM (9XBK2)
Just ONE? Not the Vlad I know and love..
Posted by: Anna Chapman at June 25, 2013 08:27 AM (WujO7)
Ace, I think he assumes the Chinese and Russians are as stupid and gullible as the average Republican legislator.
Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at June 25, 2013 08:27 AM (UlI/7)
Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2013 12:22 PM (9XBK2)
It'll be at Georgetown Uni. Maybe Sandy Fluke will be there, visiting her old alma mater. That is if she's able to take time otu of her busy schedule of fucking anything that moves.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:27 AM (4df7R)
10
This post needs a pic of Obama on his girlie bike.
...or Giada's melons.
Either way would be a big improvement.
http://tinyurl.com/prapdws
Posted by: Hey Douchebag at June 25, 2013 08:27 AM (vYB+W)
Sexually?
Because that is a profoundly disturbing idea.
Hey, after that, even chubby chicks look pretty good.
Posted by: William Jefferson Clinton at June 25, 2013 08:28 AM (B/VB5)
Obama spying on us for political reasons is the issue
Posted by: Vic
Amazing that some cannot understand this.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2013 12:27 PM (XS/b3)
Its amazing that some can't handle more than one issue at a time.
Posted by: polynikes at June 25, 2013 08:29 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 08:29 AM (lZvxr)
----
That was not your spleen.
That was us.
Posted by: Truck Monkey's formerly descended testicles at June 25, 2013 08:29 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: thunderb at June 25, 2013 08:29 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 25, 2013 12:25 PM (b9K4P)
Putin was KGB. He looks at Obammy and probably asks himself, "Why, oh why could I not have been in power when Reagan was President? At least that would have been a challenge!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:29 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2013 08:29 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: dogfish at June 25, 2013 08:30 AM (nsOJa)
Go ahead, argue Eric Holder's and Obama's case for them.
And as long as we're talking about traitors - remember this is the administration that has a genuine certified Hero of Communist Victory as its Secretary of State.
Posted by: An Observation at June 25, 2013 12:16 PM (ylhEn)
You don't know much about civil disobedience, do you? If Snowden was a concerned, conscientious citizen who felt he needed to make public secret information for the good of the country, then he would do so and then submit to arrest, whereupon he would make his case in court. That's what patriots of conscience do.
Instead, Snowden ran off to China, where he was certain to be thoroughly debriefed by the Chinese intelligences services, his 6 or 7 laptops copied for later analysis, and then to Russia, where he was equally certain to be debriefed by Russian intelligence services. Where next, I wonder: Iran? North Korea?
Snowden's a grandiose, self-important little traitor whose actions belie his self-serving, publicly stated motivations. I want him sharing a cell with Aldrich Ames and Jonathan Pollard, drawing straws to see who plays sultry bitch tonight.
Posted by: troyriser at June 25, 2013 08:30 AM (vtiE6)
And I bet Bronco Bama is right in #134. They used NSA data to develop Narwhal. Possibly also to jam up Romney's program.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 25, 2013 08:30 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: tsukemen at June 25, 2013 08:31 AM (q21jI)
For some reason I envision my office going dark and not being able to get a dial tone sometime after lunch.
Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 25, 2013 08:31 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: thunderb at June 25, 2013 08:32 AM (nH8jP)
So when he went to court, and no paper or TV show really covered it except maybe for Fox and Legal Insurrection, and then he was found guilty and shipped off to the Gulag, how exactly has this helped make his case or solved anything?
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 25, 2013 08:33 AM (GoIUi)
***
Rookie mistake.
Let's take a moment and remember how Obama's strategic vision of Russia and the Middle Eat has gotten us into a no-win situation. Whatever we do will be stupid and wrong.
P.S. Putin treats Obama exactly as he deserves to be treated.
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 25, 2013 08:33 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: angel with a sword at June 25, 2013 08:34 AM (sYNwJ)
Obama spying on us for political reasons is the issue
Posted by: Vic
Ding Ding Ding...
Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 25, 2013 08:34 AM (ylhEn)
Posted by: RWC at June 25, 2013 08:34 AM (fWAjv)
As far as I know, Cheney and Bolton do not get classified briefings any more. So they are operating under their knowledge as of 2008, which might not be correct now.
This is hard for me because I respect people on both sides of this controversy, which only tells me that this is a way more complex problem than I ususally have to think about.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 25, 2013 08:35 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 25, 2013 12:23 PM (tWmgi) -----------
wait, there's more to see? This is sarc/ right? oh God.
Posted by: Guidos 'takig Amnesty up the ass in AZ' at June 25, 2013 08:36 AM (8I9hB)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 25, 2013 08:38 AM (LnQr8)
Sexually?
Because that is a profoundly disturbing idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 25, 2013 12:24 PM (WW8xK)
----------------------My penis just bruised my spleen in its hasty retreat from dangling outside my body.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 25, 2013 12:26 PM (32Ze2)
Your lucky it didn't fire itself out your ass like a cruise missile.
Posted by: Berserker at June 25, 2013 08:41 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 25, 2013 12:33 PM (GoIUi)
You miss my point. I didn't say someone practicing legitimate civil disobedience would have a chance to use the courtroom as a bully pulpit. Such a person might find themselves found guilty and sent off to Leavenworth for 20 years. Those are the risks. And that bit about not solving anything? If the release of that secret material was so important to the well-being of the country, then its release would be the solution.
Look up examples of legitimate civil disobedience. People have gone to prison for life, people have been murdered by the authorities, people have withstood torture, harassment and abuse and the ruination of their careers, but they went forward anyway, willing to accept the consequences because the cause was greater than their own lives.
Snowden is a grandstanding, traitorous little asshole who is, even now, giving the Russians everything he has. I simply don't understand why some of you can't see it.
Posted by: troyriser at June 25, 2013 08:43 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 25, 2013 12:33 PM (XUKZU) -------------
I am so totally embarrassed when he meets with Putin. The look of distain on Putin's face and that we are so weak in front of him makes me so fucking angry at the adorers of this weak dicked sissy. I can't get the retard bicycle photo out of my head. Ugh.
Posted by: Guidos 'taking Amnesty up the ass in AZ' at June 25, 2013 08:44 AM (8I9hB)
Go ahead - stand over there along side of them, with Holder and Obama. Tell me how you like the company. Here is a clothes pin - you might want to use it to block out the stench.
No Cheney and Bolton aren't dupes, they did the same thing the rest of you did - they had a knee jerk reaction without thinking about it.
The argument on the Snowden is a traitor side is: he violated his oath to keep state secrets - thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
The problem is he gave the actual enemies of the United States absolutely nothing they didn't already know. What he did was tell the people of the USSA that they were being spied upon. We were the only ones in the dark.
The reason Obama and Holder consider him to be a traitor is because he gave aid and comfort to the government's enemies; the people they were spying on - us.
Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 25, 2013 08:49 AM (ylhEn)
However, I think that by now they have figured out that the Leader of the Free World and his advisers are a bunch of stupid fuck wits.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 25, 2013 08:51 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: navybrat at June 25, 2013 08:55 AM (0J0CV)
Posted by: An Observation at June 25, 2013 12:49 PM (ylhEn)
There is no way you could possibly know that. Stop pulling it out of your ass.
Posted by: troyriser at June 25, 2013 08:58 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: troyriser at June 25, 2013 12:43 PM (vtiE6)"
Maybe for some of us, the lifelong love, devotion and patriotism we had felt towards the United States died in November 2012 when the people of America chose to reelect the worst president in history and so, while understanding your point, perhaps do not give a shit.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 25, 2013 09:01 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 25, 2013 09:01 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at June 25, 2013 09:04 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at June 25, 2013 09:06 AM (1hM1d)
And that is the answer to the "but if you have nothing to hide crowd".
Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 25, 2013 09:06 AM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 25, 2013 09:11 AM (AVaK2)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 25, 2013 09:12 AM (AVaK2)
Actually there is: Both the Russians and the Chinese do extensive cyber spying here. They know exactly who and what the NSA can spy on and how they can do it - because they understand the technology.
To think any different is to think that both of those countries are full of idiots and they are not.
I am talking only about Snowden's public pronouncements. Those revealed nothing to Russia or China because the very first thing that would occur to either of those governments would be to spy on their own people.
Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 25, 2013 09:15 AM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 25, 2013 09:22 AM (AVaK2)
Posted by: An Observation at June 25, 2013 01:15 PM (ylhEn)
You're deliberately muddying what Snowden is bringing to the table, largely because you've convinced yourself that piece of shit is some kind of a hero.
The Russians and Chinese aren't so much interested in how the information was obtained. What they want is the what: the content, the data itself, not how the data was/is gathered--which Snowden is giving to them, conveniently stored on the 6 or 7 laptops he had the foresight to bring with him and which should be enough to trade for a nice dacha in the country. Because he's a traitorous slimeball who very much needs to contract a terminal case of the measles.
Posted by: troyriser at June 25, 2013 09:36 AM (vtiE6)
Hmmmm... let's parse this.
In one corner we have the man-child, a baby seal, cushioned all his life by affirmative action, academia, community organizing and Illinois state politics.
In the other corner, a KGB Lt. Colonel in the First and Second Directorates.
Posted by: Liechendiener at June 25, 2013 09:59 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: Liechendiener at June 25, 2013 10:08 AM (Xv7f/)
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I want a shirt with the exact same image, but says, "Hillary 2016 - Because what difference, at this point, does it make?"
Posted by: Saltydonnie at June 25, 2013 11:02 AM (i6shs)
The other is Putin.
Posted by: jukin at June 25, 2013 11:06 AM (WGm5T)
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