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July 15, 2013

Racial Vigilantism and the Martin Homicide
— Ace

We were discussing this in the comments, the idea of what right Trayvon Martin may have had to punch and beat George Zimmerman. There seems to be bubbling beneath the surface talking points of many on the political and racial left that if Martin was beating Zimmerman, he had a right to do so, a right which Zimmerman violated by shooting him.

Was George Zimmerman acting as a racial vigilate that night? Everyone asks that question.

Here's the question no one asks: Was Trayvon Martin acting as a racial vigilante that night? Was he administering his own form of Street Justice in response to Zimmerman's alleged racial profiling?

And is it seriously being contended that the first form of vigilantism is a crime worthy of prison while the second is, what? Understandable? Defensible? Laudatory?

@rbpundit has some similar thoughts over at the Right Sphere.

Oh, and while it's cheery news that Zimmerman might sue Florida or that monstrous hag Angela Corey, Allah's skeptical about the chances for such a suit.

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1 ?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 15, 2013 07:32 AM (jsWA8)

2 lol, i'm not telling anyone there is a new thread up!

neener.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2013 07:32 AM (nqBYe)

Trayvon recieved what he ask for. Nothing more or less.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 15, 2013 07:33 AM (jsWA8)

4 *crickets*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 15, 2013 07:33 AM (GQ72I)

5 I have a question?

Someone somewhere had said Trayvon had video'd a homeless guy being beaten up by his friends.
Anyone else hear that?

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2013 07:33 AM (nqBYe)

6 *squish*

I make Jello look like concrete.

Posted by: Erick Erickson at July 15, 2013 07:35 AM (EZl54)

7 @ #5

Racist!

Posted by: Zombie Tampon at July 15, 2013 07:35 AM (GQ72I)

8 The whole thing is just another example of lefties never ever ever admitting to be wrong they hear that name over at Gawker or Buzzfeed or whatever hipster hole they populate, creamed their jeans over the story, ran with it so far THEY COULDN'T GO BACK if the whole thing happened again but poor George was named George Lopez NONE of this would have happened. they were hoping some young Seinfeld lookalike hotshot (?!?!) popped a "baby" minority. Oopsie on them! but they WON'T admit their mistake see also: Barry Soetero

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 15, 2013 07:36 AM (2up3Q)

9 Dang, I wasn't aware we're in the middle of an epidemic of white-on-black vigilante violence.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at July 15, 2013 07:36 AM (SCcgT)

10 I'm sure Zim is worth about a 4 million dollar book advance - right now. He needs to get that check and put it in an offshore trust ASAP.

Posted by: UWP at July 15, 2013 07:36 AM (r98SZ)

11 Some lawyer type, put me some knowledge. If the DOJ does go after Martin for a civil rights action can the Martin team use some of the evidence that was kept out of the criminal trial? Things like his violent background, his tweets, drug use, etc.? Cause that might make it worthwhile. Let the race baiters on the left get a better look at their childlike martyr.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2013 07:36 AM (g1DWB)

12 I doubt Z would succeed in suing for malicious prosecution, but if he has the funds, why not go ahead and do it just to cause the guilty parties some pain? They certainly deserve it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 15, 2013 07:37 AM (7ObY1)

13 I think that GZ's attorneys are pursuing the right strategy for him personally. He's a marked man. Let's call this what it is: a lynching. If he sues everybody in sight (and the acquittal makes all of these lawsuits serious) then they are afraid to go after him. Win or lose, he's using the system to his best advantage.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 15, 2013 07:38 AM (T0NGe)

14 The question is rhetorical because the answer they're giving is a unanimous yes.

Remember, these people are only postmodern when it comes to the beliefs of their enemies. Their own beliefs, when you drill down to them, are as firmly and positivistically held as any Enlightenment modern.

Following on this, as regards all truths outside the central Truths, these are all a matter of power directed towards itself, as Nietzsche predicted. Whether racial profiling or vigilantism are right or wrong depends on whether the positive or the negative is what weakens their enemies or strengthens their own position.

They probably don't even think about this; it is so ingrained that racial and sexual minorities are a wedge against the white / european / asian majority that giving them the benefit of the doubt is always an advantage unless otherwise proven.

Posted by: EMP at July 15, 2013 07:38 AM (El+h4)

15 Honestly, if there is ever a fire here at AoSHQ, no need to shout "FIRE!" , just post a new thread and the horde will go stampeding after it without ever looking back.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 15, 2013 07:38 AM (aDwsi)

16 I would think ginning up racial tension using you position of Power to arrest a guy because you decided using your position of power at the behest of agitators would be some kind of actionable offense.

but i'm not a lawyer.
don't you have a duty to truth and justice?
if someone can be arrested for inflammatory speech like the kids on Facebook, and threats , why can't those in power also be called to task?

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2013 07:38 AM (nqBYe)

17 Sock fail!

Frickin' postmodern identities

Posted by: RiverC at July 15, 2013 07:38 AM (El+h4)

18 Was George Zimmerman acting as a racial vigilate that night?

You mean the night he took a black girl to his high school prom?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 15, 2013 07:39 AM (4+FWp)

19 Don't bring fists to a gunfight. Think this sums it up nicely. Oh yeah, I'm glad certain peoples are now worried that other certain peoples may be packing heat. This should have a sobering effect on the emo aggrieved crowd.

Posted by: Future Buddha at July 15, 2013 07:39 AM (oDCMR)

20 Eric Holder will try to persecute Zimmerman. Bet on it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 15, 2013 07:39 AM (QbyMe)

21 A brutha's got a right to tune up a creepy ass cracka if said cracka is harassing, annoying, bothering, molesting, or otherwise disturbing or distracting said brutha. It's right there in the law. You could look it up.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 15, 2013 07:39 AM (ymovd)

22 One benefit from this whole fiasco is that the NYT coined a new ethnicity: "White Hispanic with Jewish Sounding Name", preferred by the shorter form "White Hispanic".

Posted by: Roy at July 15, 2013 07:39 AM (VndSC)

23 Saw a black Treyvon supporter on the ABC clip with the lawyers and prosecutors say that a petition signed by 2 1/2 million people is what got him this trial. I wish what they say would be the standard for prosecution because we could have Ogabe in an ankle bracelet awaiting trial in about a day.

Posted by: UWP at July 15, 2013 07:40 AM (r98SZ)

24 I'm sure we'll be schooled by our betters that there is an entirely rational and ingrained social non-verbal communication that the white community doesn't understand. Much like staring into the eyes of certain animals for too long will necessarily evoke a beat down. Our racism and use of English and cursive blinds us to these more nuanced social cues. But mostly our racism

Posted by: McCool at July 15, 2013 07:40 AM (nCSwS)

25 Bingo, Ace! That's been the unspoken truth in every diatribe against Zimmerman.

Here's what is said by liberals: "Zimmerman should have let the police handle it since they're so super-cool awesome and smart but Martin was perfectly in his rights to assault someone he thought was following him. There was no responsibility on his part to take his cell phone and call 911 about Zimmerman.

Here's what is understood by liberals: "What did you expect? Violence is the go-to default setting for a black man. "

Posted by: B at July 15, 2013 07:40 AM (twiRb)

26 Well we know he IS going to sue NBC and he has a good case.

Posted by: Vic at July 15, 2013 07:41 AM (lZvxr)

27 Saw a black Treyvon supporter on the ABC clip with the lawyers and prosecutors say that a petition signed by 2 1/2 million people is what got him this trial. I wish what they say would be the standard for prosecution because we could have Ogabe in an ankle bracelet awaiting trial in about a day.

***

Dat straight-up raciss, yo.

Posted by: cool arrow at July 15, 2013 07:41 AM (WMsq+)

28 Travyvon Martin Died "Keeping It Real"
_

David Chappelle has a series of sketches about "Keeping It Real" - it ends "badly" for the black person "Keeping It Real".

Trayvon kept it real - yo - with a guy with a gun.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 15, 2013 07:41 AM (19AvL)

29 If the cops had arrived 45 seconds earlier, Martin would have been arrested and charged with aggravated assault.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 07:41 AM (cjFRv)

30 A couple things I know about Zimmerman never having met him. 1. He got involved, got his CCW. 2. He shot the fucker that was trying to kill him. I hope he sues till SMOD.

Posted by: nip at July 15, 2013 07:41 AM (lGVXf)

31 It's pretty clear from testimony and street culture that Trayvon may have been profiling, but not on race. Ass-cracker is a derogatory term for a homosexual. Rachael "Dee Dee" Jeantel testified that Trayvon believed Zimmerman to be a creepy homosexual who was following him and might rape him.

What likely occurred is a case of mistaken identity gay bashing gone horribly wrong.

Strange President Obama, Rachael Maddow and others do not want to talk about the evidence.

Posted by: Multitude at July 15, 2013 07:42 AM (bpONz)

32 I'm glad it's not racist anymore to assume that blacks will loot and riot at the drop of a hoodie.

Posted by: Roy at July 15, 2013 07:42 AM (VndSC)

33 Ill settle for him taking NBC and Nancy Grace/HLN for a hefty sum.

Posted by: diddy at July 15, 2013 07:42 AM (VNb/Z)

34 No, George can't sue Corey or the state. Except, does it address the fact that they disposed of evidence?

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 07:42 AM (cjFRv)

"They're certainly entitled to think that, and they're entitled to full respect for their opinions... but before I can live with other folks I've got to live with myself. The one thing that doesn't abide by majority rule is a person's conscience."

or basic right and wrong

Posted by: zombie Atticus Finch at July 15, 2013 07:42 AM (8g9qq)

36 Cause that might make it worthwhile. Let the race baiters on the left get a better look at their childlike martyr.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2013 11:36 AM (g1DWB)

The feds don't have any case at all. They are just mouthing off.

Posted by: Vic at July 15, 2013 07:42 AM (lZvxr)

37 Does anybody else see that all the "outrage" surrounding Saint Skittles and Zimmerman is really a substitute for the frustration and anger Obama's minions feel about his miserable failures?They can't go after him because then they would have to admit Obama used them and made fools of them so instead they pretend they are outrged over the death of a gangbanger wannabe. Then again, maybe they just want new wide screen televisions and Air Jordans.

Posted by: Kim at July 15, 2013 07:43 AM (ICqvM)

38 Caught a bit of BBC News this morning on TV. After talking sense about how the PRC economy is heading for the toilet they bring on this lawyer named Weiss to talk about the Zimmerman case. His default first talking point was, it was racism!!

Changed channels quickly before I hurled remote at TV or I hurled.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 15, 2013 07:43 AM (QbyMe)

39 The guys on ESPN's First Take are about to comment on this case, this should be good.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 15, 2013 07:43 AM (qRasw)

40 If the feds were going to go after him, I don't think they would have allowed the state to release the weapon.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 07:43 AM (cjFRv)

41 Harry Reid is the very definition of Creepy-ass cracker.

Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at July 15, 2013 07:43 AM (7x61C)

42 "while it's cheery news that Zimmerman might sue Florida or that monstrous hag Angela Corey"

What we should all wish to see first off is for George Zimmerman's enormous legal costs to be borne in full by the taxpayers of Florida.

The taxpayers of Florida will then no doubt start to ask themselves about why all that money of theirs got flushed down the drain on a case that should have been a no-bill from a grand jury from the outset.

And then the taxpayers of Florida can have their attention directed to Angela Corey for having so arrogantly and flourishingly bypassing the grand jury and going straight to trial with the flimsiest murder case in state history.

That will likely be the end of Corey's tenure in public life. It would be great to get her disbarred, too, but internal exile will suffice for now.

As for Rick Scott? Between his embrace of Obamacare and his appointment of Corey to head the Zimmerman witch hunt, I'd say we are looking at yet another installment in Florida's ongoing Charlie Crist process. Even money right now who flips Democratic first: Rick Scott or Marco Rubio.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 15, 2013 07:43 AM (gqT4g)

43 fwiw - I'm working this afternoon with a group that consists of black women in their 40s and one (1) hispanic male in his 30s.

Me, being white and all - my plan is to say "Trayvon who? I've been busy cleaning my basement."

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 15, 2013 07:43 AM (19AvL)

44 Dang, I wasn't aware we're in the middle of an epidemic of white-on-black vigilante violence. Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at July 15, 2013 11:36 AM (SCcgT) Re-posting my comment from the previous thread (because I am a loving giver who has no further original thoughts at this time): As other rons and ettes have pointed out, there have been hundreds of black "children" killed since Trayvon Martin died, but no outrage from the media or race baiters. Pure hypocrisy and evil agitation. Even the poor Chicago girl who was killed a short time after attending the inauguration - there was no outrage, only "sadness". Michelle attended her funeral IIRC, but there were no calls for the head of her killer. The agitators in the media and elsewhere (not necessarily the LIVs who believe them) hate us (right thinking people who aren't insane) and view black people with contempt.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 15, 2013 07:44 AM (r+7wo)

45 Harry Reid is the very definition of Creepy-ass cracker.

***

Also creepy ass-cracker.

Posted by: cool arrow at July 15, 2013 07:44 AM (WMsq+)

46 Zimmerman. They were down on their rotten, festering, pustular stumps pleading to whatever false deity they pray to that he was a Jew.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 15, 2013 07:44 AM (+98Gb)

47 Fair question, Ace: is there any topic about which Allah is NOT skeptical?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 15, 2013 07:44 AM (TOk1P)

48 It's all because of racism The only cure of course is total amnesty for 11mil illegals as per a certain senator from Florida

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 15, 2013 07:44 AM (E8hSa)

49 45 Harry Reid is the very definition of Creepy-ass cracker. *** Also creepy ass-cracker. Posted by: cool arrow at July 15, 2013 11:44 AM (WMsq+) Nothing like an intact hyphen, eh Harry?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 15, 2013 07:44 AM (+98Gb)

50 No respect for Western common law. No, you don't have a right to sandbag a guy who isn't a present threat.

Posted by: Sarahw at July 15, 2013 07:45 AM (LYwCh)

51 While I would feel humiliated and angry if someone suspected me of a crime and confronted me, I wouldn't feel the need to beat that person's head against the sidewalk. Are they arguing that Trayvon's pride demanded a blood sacrifice to assuage the humiliation of being thought a criminal? If so, that's reaaaaal retarded, sir.

Posted by: no good deed at July 15, 2013 07:45 AM (WmLrU)

52 Me, being white and all - my plan is to say "Trayvon who? I've been busy cleaning my basement."

Posted by: BumperStickerist

...should be "cleaning my guns". To help perpetuate stereotypes.

Posted by: Roy at July 15, 2013 07:45 AM (VndSC)

53 It was Trayvon's attack on Zimmerman that justified, eventually, self-defense and the shooting. 'Being followed' does not license physical attack, nor constitute it. Unless Zimmerman was obviously initiating contact, Trayvon was the one who took this to the next level and brought about the result. You do not have the right to initiate physical conflict. Their justification seems to be 'He made him mad.' Sorry, that doesn't work.

Posted by: zsasz at July 15, 2013 07:45 AM (MMC8r)

54 How can it be vigilantism if American cops aren't willing to do the jobs that white Hispanics are willing to do?

Posted by: Fritz at July 15, 2013 07:45 AM (UzPAd)

55 RE: Jenteal not being able to read cursive.

The fact that Jenteal supposably (sic) WROTE the letter is noteworthy. Not the fact that Jenteal can't read cursive.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 15, 2013 07:46 AM (19AvL)

56 28 Travyvon Martin Died "Keeping It Real" _ David Chappelle has a series of sketches about "Keeping It Real" - it ends "badly" for the black person "Keeping It Real". Trayvon kept it real - yo - with a guy with a gun. _ --- I'm reminded of the Chappelle Keeping It Real sketch about the black woman who goes batshit crazy after a wrong number, thinking it is a chick who is cheating with her boyfriend. After she gets the chick's address and destroys the car there, incidentally government property belonging to her brother, she goes to jail and decides to "keep it real" with a set of female inmates on her first day in the joint. Unfortunately for her, the inmates "keep it realer" and beat the shit out of her.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 07:46 AM (a3iAA)

57 Don't forget that Bondi bitch who appeared with the Martins with her arms all around Sybrina. And I believe that this was even before George was charged. Nice appearance of being unbiased, bitch.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 07:46 AM (cjFRv)

58 It should be pointed out that Zimmerman called the police, there would have been no killing if Trayvon hadn't attacked Zimmerman.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 15, 2013 07:46 AM (qRasw)

59 >>The feds don't have any case at all. They are just mouthing off. Neither did the state. Didn't seem to slow them down a bit. We've moved into a brave new world where facts and evidence don't matter. Just feeling and racial/political grievances.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2013 07:47 AM (g1DWB)

60 The only cure of course is total amnesty for 11mil illegals as per a certain senator from Florida Everyone knows Rubio is one of them white Hispanics.

Posted by: George Orwell wearing a lampshade at July 15, 2013 07:47 AM (mCNwt)

I see too much politicization by too many people on more than one side. A boy is dead. A manÂ’s life ruined. And too many are trying to capitalize on the politics of now.

the politics of NOW EAT THAT, FRUM!

As the President said yesterday, a jury has spoken.

Look at me! An Obama quotin' conservative!
A conservative that quotes Barack Obama!

MSNBC are you listening? I'm just the whore you've been waiting for!

God , I love me.

Posted by: Erick Erickson at July 15, 2013 07:47 AM (EZl54)

62 There sure are a lot of old white crackers in the Democrat Congress, including Pelosi, in fact there is nothing but crackers there.

Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at July 15, 2013 07:47 AM (7x61C)

63 Are they arguing that Trayvon's pride demanded a blood sacrifice to assuage the humiliation of being thought a criminal? If so, that's reaaaaal retarded, sir.

Posted by: no good deed at July 15, 2013 11:45 AM (WmLrU)

No no, they're arguing that Traytable's pride demanded a blood sacrifice because slavery/Jim Crow/the KKK/segregated lunch counters/Kunta Kinte/cross burnings/Jim from "Huckleberry Finn"/etc, etc.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 15, 2013 07:47 AM (4df7R)

64 The guys on ESPN's First Take are about to comment on this case, this should be good. Fucking sportswriters. Constantly out to prove they're any more skilled than it takes to read the scores.

Posted by: zsasz at July 15, 2013 07:48 AM (MMC8r)

65 If only we had evidence of Martin calling Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracka" or something...

And what the hell is an "ass cracka" anyway? No way I'm Googling that.

Posted by: Dang at July 15, 2013 07:48 AM (Hx2XA)

I didn't even get a nibble on the previous thread, and I just want to know if the joke is old, or I'm brilliant for thinking of it first:

The Pope is considering Trayvon's candidacy for sainthood. There is already one confirmed miracle... Trayvon managed to turn one brown person white.

Well?????

Fine, back to work NOT writing comedy for me.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 15, 2013 07:48 AM (TOk1P)

67 Pardon me, but would you happen to have any Grey Poupon?

Posted by: Ritz Cracka' at July 15, 2013 07:48 AM (VndSC)

68 Ill settle for him taking NBC and Nancy Grace/HLN for a hefty sum.

***

I see Nancy "Despicable" Grace is still repeating the lie about how Zimmerman used the terms "coons." Linked on Drudge.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 15, 2013 07:49 AM (Hx5uv)

69 66 If only we had evidence of Martin calling Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracka" or something... And what the hell is an "ass cracka" anyway? No way I'm Googling that. --- Something like an "ass penny" of Upright Citizen's Brigade infamy?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 07:49 AM (a3iAA)

70 The thing is, ace, this is what social justice is. Trayvon is entitled to do what he wants because he's an oppressed black child who ought to be frightened by a white (shut up) man doing provocative things like walking in the same direction and looking at him and stuff like that. And let's not talk about who picked a fight with whom, the important thing is the headline: Dead black child, an infant really, white (shut up!!!) shooter. We all know what the just response should be. And with social justice, you can do all the moral preening you want as you wallow -- proudly! -- in ignorance. They're proud of their lack of knowledge. It's all about being on the right side. All the cool people are on the Justice for Trayvon bandwagon. Hey, I don't know anything about the trial, but there's an expert on TV that does. She shares my prejudices so I will outsource my thinking to her. After all, she's an expert. This phenomenon is also illustrated by the guy 2 threads below (Best.Update.Ever.) who ranted about a law he knew nothing about. His update was essentially "Everything I just said was bullshit, but it doesn't matter because I'm still right about my opponents' ignorance."

Posted by: AmishDude at July 15, 2013 07:49 AM (T0NGe)

71 Neither did the state. Didn't seem to slow them down a bit.

---

This.

He'll be charged..again... and acquitted..again.. racking up thousands and thousands more in legal fees.

.... and Obama will be seen as "speaking truth to power".

Posted by: fixerupper at July 15, 2013 07:49 AM (nELVU)

72 I really wish the vocal schvartze contingent of the black populace that claims to be its leaders SHUT THE FUCK UP and get over yourselves.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 15, 2013 07:49 AM (+98Gb)

73 By the way, the meedja are still overwhelmingly running with the cherubic Hollister-shirt photo of a gently smiling Trayvon Martin at age 14, looking age 12.

Instead of the easily available photos posted by TM to social media not long before the fracas, depicting a much bigger and more muscled Trayvon Martin at age 17, with him looking like early twenties, scowling, with a grill and tats and giving the bird to the camera.

I don't think it needs to be explained why the media so strongly prefer the first and much less accurate of these two photographic portrayals.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 15, 2013 07:50 AM (gqT4g)

74 http://tinyurl.com/ozl8zrs The best of Dave Chappelle's When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong.

Posted by: CAC at July 15, 2013 07:50 AM (x5NNm)

75 And what's all this business about Zimmerman standing his ground? He was laying down, getting his head pounded into the pavement, he wasn't standing at all!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 15, 2013 07:50 AM (TOk1P)

76 I see Nancy "Despicable" Grace is still repeating the lie about how Zimmerman used the terms "coons." Linked on Drudge. --- NBC legal isn't doing their job, apparently, if they're letting her do that. It certainly helps show a reckless disregard for the truth as well as malice by NBC and its employees.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 07:50 AM (a3iAA)

77 The guys on ESPN's First Take are about to comment on this case, this should be good.

***

The thing I don't understand is that you would think that NFL and NBA players would want people who kill people to be acquitted.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 15, 2013 07:50 AM (Hx5uv)

78 Two men suspicious of each other. One calls the cops...

Posted by: Dang at July 15, 2013 07:50 AM (Hx2XA)

79 I hadn't considered why Trayvon did not call 911 himself.

also, the people who think that 911 is "The Police" are wrong. It's not They're not allowed to give direct orders to callers for liability reasons.

So, there's that detail.

That always gets overlooked.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 15, 2013 07:50 AM (19AvL)

80 I really wish the vocal schvartze contingent of the black populace that claims to be its leaders SHUT THE FUCK UP and get over yourselves.

***

Not gon' happen. "Reverend" Sharpton and Jessuh and Obuttsex Himself are too in love with the sound of their own voices.

Posted by: cool arrow at July 15, 2013 07:50 AM (WMsq+)

Assuming no major riots, it appears that the Zimmerman/Martin story has passed the midpoint of its half-life, and the threads will dissipate soon.

Always looking for the positive.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 15, 2013 07:50 AM (03fdY)

82 Stephen A Smith basically said the prosecution didn't prove its case.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 15, 2013 07:51 AM (qRasw)

83 The photo that should be posted is one of the stills from teh 7-11 video which most depicts what he looked like that night.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 07:51 AM (cjFRv)

84 So St. Trayvon had every right to pound Zimmerman's head into the pavement and Zimmerman being an evil White Hispanic was just supposed to lay there and take it because of centuries of oppression by White Hispanics over blacks?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2013 07:51 AM (1Jaio)

85 This is a formal notification of offense of use of "Monstrous HagÂ®" term and use.
We are (a) offended, (b) crafting lawsuit, and (c) you will see riots in our name.

#JusticeForMonstrousHags

Posted by: Monstrous Hag Cabal at July 15, 2013 07:51 AM (baL2B)

86 I don't think there is anyway the Feds will bring Civil Rights charges against Zimmerman. They are just going thru the process to satisfy their base.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 15, 2013 07:51 AM (9Xc5j)

87 Something like an "ass penny" of Upright Citizen's Brigade infamy? Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge

Classic.

Posted by: Dang at July 15, 2013 07:51 AM (Hx2XA)

88 Regarding the arguments I have been hearing on the radio today let me see if I have this straight- Before Trayvon - FUCK THE POLICE!! During Trayvon - He should have followed the lawful order of the righteous, benevolent police dispatcher to cease following. After Trayvon - FUCK THE POLICE!!

Posted by: RWC at July 15, 2013 07:51 AM (fWAjv)

liberal logic 101 on display

Vigilantes Against Vigilantism! YAY!

go ahead, left wing. commit a crime which you projected on zimmerman relentlessly for eighteen months or so. good luck with a murder in the first charge all 'yall.

Bigots Against Bigotry! YAY!

it is mind boggling

Posted by: i like anchors at July 15, 2013 07:51 AM (PWw3a)

90 The thing is, ace, this is what social justice is.

***

Social justice is to real justice as Dr. Pepper is to a real doctor.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 15, 2013 07:52 AM (Hx5uv)

91 "Everything I just said was bullshit, but it doesn't matter because I'm still right about my opponents' ignorance."

What I took from the best update ever was, this guy just illustrated why abortion before 20 weeks should be outlawed, and only exceptions should be allowed.

Posted by: no good deed at July 15, 2013 07:52 AM (WmLrU)

92 83 Assuming no major riots, it appears that the Zimmerman/Martin story has passed the midpoint of its half-life, and the threads will dissipate soon. Always looking for the positive. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 15, 2013 11:50 AM (03fdY) You're right. Barring some unforeseen incident somewhere, the "days of rage" seem to have petered out at 1.5, if that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 15, 2013 07:52 AM (+98Gb)

93 This whole thing will pass as soon as Kate has her baby. LIVs get tired of trying to think too much.

Posted by: Roy at July 15, 2013 07:52 AM (VndSC)

94 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 15, 2013 11:44 AM (r+7wo) Oops, this is the one I meant to re-post: OMG, little black boys will have to be careful just walking down the street because white (Hispanic) people can just gun them down with impunity!!! Oh the humanity! No word on precautions needed to be taken by little black boys walking down the street in Chicago or Killadelphia.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 15, 2013 07:52 AM (r+7wo)

95 Wierd, I wasn't aware the jury was sitting Saturday, checked in here and then the verdict came in, and 1 minute later a whole load of big trucks blew by the house (on a rural road) Thought maybe it was riot police heading where ? bunch of snowplows? (in Texas ?) then realized they were just farm trucks .Must be cutting some crop as there's rain coming today.

Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at July 15, 2013 07:52 AM (7x61C)

96 The thing I don't understand is that you would think that NFL and NBA players would want people who kill people to be acquitted. --- NFL and NBA players aren't generally regarded to be the brightest bulbs out there. Witness Roddy White, Victor Cruz, and the Pouncey twins who went out wearing "Free Hernandez" hats in public over the weekend in support of their former Florida teammate Aaron Hernandez, a "white Hispanic" accused of killing a black man who knew about him killing several other people.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 07:53 AM (a3iAA)

97 A. duh B. the trayvon narrative is incoherent. He was a "child" with an obese girlfriend who was suspended from school for "trespassing" and being in possession of "lost and found" items. B.1 note that black "children" seem to be doing a lot of killing since this category includes most of the cast of the Wire. B.2 somehow they think that white on black violence is a trending crime wave. C. Obviously, the left hates the idea of self defense and somehow wants us all to live with crime.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at July 15, 2013 07:53 AM (QxSug)

98 92 Social justice is to real justice as Dr. Pepper is to a real doctor. Posted by: WalrusRex at July 15, 2013 11:52 AM (Hx5uv) Dr. Mengele/Gosnell/Zawahiri might be a better analog.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 15, 2013 07:53 AM (+98Gb)

99 If Z was actually in process of chasing T, attempting to hold him, or threatening or attempting to detain him, or brandishing a weapon, the situation would be very different. But there is no evidence of that and there is evidence to the contrary.

I have heard a number of persons who are defenders of Zimmerman's right to fair treatment or defending his actions go as far as to say they believe the tragic shooting was the end result of big misunderstanding on the part of both - Z in suspecting Trayvon, and Trayvon's reaction to Zimmerman.

But I don't think that at all. I think T. was up to no good and was spotted. And he resented it. He believed you don't call police on your "enemies", you beat them up and that this is the right way to settle anything.

Posted by: Sarahw at July 15, 2013 07:53 AM (LYwCh)

100 Shit! I forgot to listen to the radio this morning.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 07:53 AM (cjFRv)

101 As I understand it, if Martin's parents file a wrongful death suit, then Zimmerman can petition for a "stand your ground" hearing. If successful, full immunity is granted for both criminal and civil actuions, and THE PLAINTIFFS (Martin's Parents) have to pay the defendent's (Zimmerman) legal fees. Let this tragedy end with the unfortunate death of one youth. Let it not be turned into a Kubuki Theater Comedy about racial (in)justice.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at July 15, 2013 07:53 AM (Eq2MX)

102 >Here's the question no one asks: Was Trayvon Martin acting as a racial vigilante that night? Was he administering his own form of Street Justice in response to Zimmerman's alleged racial profiling?<

I disagree with the phrasing because it's both speculative and presumptive.

Speculative, because none of the facts support it.

Presumptive, being the second part of speculative, because you are presuming action based on hypotheticals and ultimately implied prejudices.

In fact, the question contains most elements of everything wrong with this case.

Posted by: Marcus at July 15, 2013 07:54 AM (GGCsk)

103 99. C. Obviously, the left hates the idea of self defense and somehow wants us all to live with crime. Posted by: oeJay44incday at July 15, 2013 11:53 AM (QxSug) That's not crime. That's reparations/retribution. For all time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 15, 2013 07:54 AM (+98Gb)

104 If Obama had a son, he would have taken selfies flashing gang signs on a much more expensive phone.

Posted by: George Orwell wearing a lampshade at July 15, 2013 07:54 AM (mCNwt)

105 >>He'll be charged..again... and acquitted..again.. racking up thousands and thousands more in legal fees. >>.... and Obama will be seen as "speaking truth to power". Just heard a lawyer type on Fox say that under Florida law the Martin's may be responsible for Zimmerman's legal fees. I didn't hear the whole thing and he may have been referring to any civil rights action they pursue (an hopefully lose) but that would be high sterical. I've seen pictures of Trayvon's father flashing gang signs and hanging with some pretty questionable dudes floating around the intertubes. Let's get it all out on the table. Including the fact that this gated complex (gee, I wonder why it's gated?) has had multiple robberies over the last couple years all done by young black thieves.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2013 07:55 AM (g1DWB)

106 Trayvon's parental units have been awarded a 7-figure sum by the homeowner's assoc.

http://tinyurl.com/onz4u3a

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 15, 2013 07:55 AM (lVPtV)

107 And the Trayvon narrative is incoherent because there is no person of national prominence defending Zimmerman or putting the screws to the Trayvon race hucksters.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at July 15, 2013 07:55 AM (QxSug)

108 The only thing I take from this whole mess is that it isn't healthy to eat Skittles.

Posted by: Roy at July 15, 2013 07:55 AM (VndSC)

109 31 It's pretty clear from testimony and street culture that Trayvon may have been profiling, but not on race. Ass-cracker is a derogatory term for a homosexual. Rachael "Dee Dee" Jeantel testified that Trayvon believed Zimmerman to be a creepy homosexual who was following him and might rape him. What likely occurred is a case of mistaken identity gay bashing gone horribly wrong. Strange President Obama, Rachael Maddow and others do not want to talk about the evidence. Posted by: Multitude at July 15, 2013 11:42 AM (bpONz) ============= Correct hyphenation can boost you up the hierarchy of grievances from below to above!

Posted by: Sister Sestina at July 15, 2013 07:56 AM (1wI7y)

110 Steve Sailer suggested that Trayvon's attack on Zimmerman might have been an anti-gay attack. 'Creepy Ass Cracker' might have that connotation.

Posted by: Ben h at July 15, 2013 07:56 AM (pSbfg)

111

Trayvon Martin experienced the consequences of 'keeping it real' .

Thanks Dave Chappell.

Posted by: polynikes at July 15, 2013 07:56 AM (m2CN7)

112

If it hasn't explicitly been said yet, let me observe that anybody who s still going after Zimmerman at this point, or canonizing Martin, is a racist, pure and simple.

All the physical evidence suggests that Martin attacked Zimmerman, and a jury of moms looking at all the evidence validates this point. There is no evidence to suggest that Martin had any justification - in fact, he could have easily run away.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 15, 2013 07:56 AM (Mxt9o)

113 In early April 2012, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey decided not to take the George Zimmerman case to a Grand Jury, opting for the filing of a Criminal Information which then was presented along with an Affidavit of Probable Cause. The Court found probable cause for the charges. It turned out, once pre-trial discovery was exchanged, that the affidavit upon which probable cause was found had not disclosed a lot of significant exculpatory details. There was no mention of the significant injuries to Zimmerman, or of John GoodÂ’s eyewitness account that Martin was on top of Zimmerman hitting him Mixed Martial Arts style. All the Affidavit said on the subject of the physical confrontation was that there was Â“a struggle.Â” The Affidavit identified the voice screaming for help as that of Martin based on an interview with his mother, but did not reveal what we now know, that MartinÂ’s father initially denied it was his son. The Affidavit also was inaccurate, such as alleging that the 911 operator Â“instructed Zimmerman notÂ” to follow Martin Â— a false fact which lives on in the media mythology of the case. Alan Dershowitz was livid. http://goo.gl/KXnDD Don't forget the bitch then going after Dershowitz and trying to get him fired. lol

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 07:56 AM (cjFRv)

114 109 Trayvon's parental units have been awarded a 7-figure sum by the homeowner's assoc. http://tinyurl.com/onz4u3a Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 15, 2013 11:55 AM (lVPtV) great, bad parenting is now rewarded...

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 15, 2013 07:56 AM (8JJ6O)

115 109 Trayvon's parental units have been awarded a 7-figure sum by the homeowner's assoc. http://tinyurl.com/onz4u3a --- And it has already been suggested that the HOA will attempt to clawback that settlement. As well as firing the attorney who settled so quickly.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 07:56 AM (a3iAA)

116 sorry, Sister Sestina beat me to it!

Posted by: Ben h at July 15, 2013 07:56 AM (pSbfg)

117 The only thing I take from this whole mess is that it isn't healthy to eat Skittles.

***

I remain baffled that anyone would want to in the first place.

Posted by: cool arrow at July 15, 2013 07:57 AM (WMsq+)

118 111 The only thing I take from this whole mess is that it isn't healthy to eat Skittles. After all, they come out of a unicorn's asshole.

Posted by: George Orwell wearing a lampshade at July 15, 2013 07:57 AM (mCNwt)

119 D. Where is the introspection on black culture? Travyon was a teenager, not a child, who was aspiring to be a thug like the role models he looked up to. He wanted to be a thug, to be gangsta, to be tough, and do drugs. Did he profile Zimm? Yeah, his last words said as much.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at July 15, 2013 07:57 AM (QxSug)

120 What this generation needs is more Thug culture.

Posted by: Fritz at July 15, 2013 07:57 AM (UzPAd)

121 If the jackasses who wanted Zimmerman imprisoned were right on this issue, they wouldn't have to lie about and ignore the evidence. How many people that you've engaged in discussion with about the trial here, on other Web sites, or offline who hold the view that Zimmerman should've been convicted and sent to prison continually state important facts about the case incorrectly? Every single one I've dealt with lies about the facts of the case. Every. Single. One.

I think we know one of several reasons that contribute to this -- mainstream media brainwashing. Too many of these morons wanting Zimmerman convict talk about Zimmerman ignoring police orders not to get out of his car, Zimmerman chasing Trayvon (instead of Trayvon reversing direction and walking back 100+ yards to confront Zimmerman), Zimmerman being racist, Zimmerman having only minor injuries, nobody seeing Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, etc. They can only be this ignorant from relying on the reporting of the mainstream media as well as getting information from Left-wing sites. They certainly don't know the facts presented at the trial. Of course, the fact that they're morons who haven't spent much time following the case but still feel it necessary to comment on the case is also another factor for their idiotic opinions.

Posted by: Slappy at July 15, 2013 07:57 AM (LTbLf)

122 Greetings: Now that the parents of St. Trayvon of Martin and their Negro rights industry lawyers have garnered a settlement from Mr. Zimmerman's home owners association, can/should he sue them for "failure to supervise" or some such based on his being attacked?

Posted by: 11B40 at July 15, 2013 07:58 AM (r+EsF)

123 I pointed this out on my Twitter thoughts on the topic yesterday.

I held my silence on the issue on Twitter because I was actually "thinking."

You know who killed Trayvon Martin?

Al Sharpton et al.

http://tinyurl.com/q3haxae

I was a poor "ghetto*" punk....

I had a pretty big chip on my shoulder, I was polite and respectful when pursuing matters of honor until it was time not to be.

St. Trayvon of the Martin was going to punish "profiling" with MMA and he discovered 9mmJHP trumps ground and pound.

A tragedy for all concerned.

*a suburban "ghetto" but a "ghetto"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 15, 2013 07:58 AM (LRFds)

124 It may pass now, but the canards will live on in the Pop History record. You will be hearing things that are blatantly false repeated as fact for years to come, and their truth will come down to 'Whitey's America, Black people victims.'

Posted by: zsasz at July 15, 2013 07:58 AM (MMC8r)

125

since the media & prosecution made their case about what they thought were reasonable possibilities, how about this? rachel jeantel will come forward some day and recount that trayvon told her he was going to kill him a "creepy ass cracker". the guilt of having lied will weigh too much for her to carry and she'll come clean.

how else can anyone explain her not calling for help? no concern for tray's safety whatsoever. if i called a friend and explained a sketchy situation, they'd call the cops the instant our conversation ended. no call at all? obvious fucking bullshit. unless "don't snitch" applies to crackers, which i don't think it does.

Posted by: i like anchors at July 15, 2013 07:59 AM (PWw3a)

126 >>The thing I don't understand is that you would think that NFL and NBA players would want people who kill people to be acquitted. Some do. Take a look at the link on Drudge of the Pouncy brothers wearing "Free Hernandez" caps. The thug lifestyle is getting more and more pervasive in our society.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2013 07:59 AM (g1DWB)

127

Here's the question no one asks: Was Trayvon Martin acting as a racial vigilante that night? Was he administering his own form of Street Justice in response to Zimmerman's alleged racial profiling?

It wouldn't surprise me. And am I the only one who, among these screams of racial profiling, hears an undercurrent of, blacks should be able to beat up on whitey because slavery?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 15, 2013 07:59 AM (zF6Iw)

128 ...because shut-up thats why.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 15, 2013 07:59 AM (jvd3N)

129 If it hasn't explicitly been said yet, let me observe that anybody who s still going after Zimmerman at this point, or canonizing Martin, is a racist, pure and simple. --- Depends exactly how much information the person in question has. People who are clueless about the case other than what the media have told them may have some excuse, if they're willing to learn more about the case. The media in question should fucking know better.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 07:59 AM (a3iAA)

130 I'm sure the folks decrying Zimmmerman's "vigilantism" loved the occupation of Zucotti park. We are simply at a national loggerhead, and the crisis needs to move to the next step. I do not know what that is. The one thing I am sure of--arms *can* solve this issue peacefully. Other ways exist, I'm sure, but the existence of robust force with clear evident determination and will behind them will take care of the issues of our time. Period. By reducing demands for complete obedience and double standards. Ten years from now, if MSNBC wants to string up a guy on no evidence deeper than tweets, they should have to have a armored division at hand in order to do it. Because they are starting to cut into bone.

Posted by: "Clayton Moore" at July 15, 2013 07:59 AM (PymbO)

131 So this gated community where Trayvon was martyred has disbanded their neighborhood watch association because it's just vigilante(ism)? and because their liability insurance is just to damn high?

Good to know, eh?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 15, 2013 08:00 AM (jIVEf)

132 SkittlesÂ®, eat 'em if ya got 'em. May not get another chance.

Posted by: Dang at July 15, 2013 08:00 AM (Hx2XA)

133 Zimmerman. They were down on their rotten, festering, pustular stumps pleading to whatever false deity they pray to that he was a Jew. When I said that here two or three weeks back, I got jumped on for assuming Zimmerman was Jewish sounding.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 15, 2013 08:01 AM (uwLxR)

134 Where is the introspection on black culture? This is the ultimate end the Left is trying fervently to avoid. As they always do.

Posted by: zsasz at July 15, 2013 08:01 AM (MMC8r)

135 Another word on my hate list: "Social"

Posted by: eleven at July 15, 2013 08:01 AM (KXm42)

136 130 >>The thing I don't understand is that you would think that NFL and NBA players would want people who kill people to be acquitted. Some do. Take a look at the link on Drudge of the Pouncy brothers wearing "Free Hernandez" caps. The thug lifestyle is getting more and more pervasive in our society. --- Those two idiots did it in support of a former college teammate and should know better, given the incidents in college where Hernandez would have gotten in trouble if not for his teammates like Tim Tebow smoothing things over.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:01 AM (a3iAA)

137 Thanks for all the cracker mentionings. Now I'll be singing Jimmy crack corn in my head for the next 12 hours. And you fuckers wont care.

Posted by: UWP at July 15, 2013 08:01 AM (r98SZ)

138 I've said it before, for liberals there are no opinions--there are the "facts" which they have in their corner, and there are the lies or stupidities of those who fail to agree with them.

Since popular culture is wildly liberal on a cellular degree, they of course never have their beliefs challenged and cannot imagine such a thing. That's why their reaction to being proven wrong, time and time again, is screaming and raging and howling.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 15, 2013 08:01 AM (xjpRj)

139
I wonder if any of these talking heads will note the 30% to 50% unemployment rate for black youths with the Obama economy and all, and maybe ask the WH about the effects of that?

Hahahaha. I know, just cracking myself up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 15, 2013 08:02 AM (4+FWp)

140 This is the leftist mindset: Whatever is useful to our cause is moral.

This is the racialist mindset: Slavery makes everything a black person does acceptable, including murder and riot.

Combine the two and you've got our modern race hustlers and their leftist apologists, all of whom have assured blacks that any outrage is not only excusable but laudable.

Posted by: joncelli at July 15, 2013 08:02 AM (RD7QR)

141 The one thing I am sure of--arms *can* solve this issue peacefully. --- A wise man once said "A well-armed society is a polite society."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:02 AM (a3iAA)

142 If Trayvon's parental units had been real parents, he'd be alive. Sadly, no one seemed to supervise him or give a damn about him.

But his sainted parents are profiting off his death now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 15, 2013 08:02 AM (lVPtV)

143 Meh. I think it's as likely as not that Martin took Zimmerman for another yoot. I really doubt he identified Zimmerman as a white person profiling.

Posted by: Jenny Hates All The Things at July 15, 2013 08:03 AM (GmTxn)

144 E. What about the left and their race riot sword? They've been promising us this for years and here it is, it fizzled out. They want to punish "us" when we don't comply. We want to cut spending, they cut basic services through the sequester, we want to stop crime, the black will riot. That's basically what they said and we're all so cowed that only a few anonymous nerds on the net are even capable or willing to say so. It's basically the DNC's plan, to make politics racial and they will appeal to it all day long.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at July 15, 2013 08:03 AM (QxSug)

145 He's a German mexican. He really really likes oom pah pah music.

Posted by: eleven at July 15, 2013 08:03 AM (KXm42)

146 how else can anyone explain her not calling for help? no concern for tray's safety whatsoever. if i called a friend and explained a sketchy situation, they'd call the cops the instant our conversation ended.no call at all? obvious fucking bullshit. unless "don't snitch" applies to crackers, which i don't think it does Don't you watch First 48 Hours? Da po po was supposed to drop a dime to her.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 15, 2013 08:03 AM (uwLxR)

147

Ah, MWR, I see you said it better and more succinctly.

If I had a hat, I would take it off to you, dear lady.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 15, 2013 08:03 AM (zF6Iw)

148 >>Those two idiots did it in support of a former college teammate and should know better, given the incidents in college where Hernandez would have gotten in trouble if not for his teammates like Tim Tebow smoothing things over. Not just a former teammate, possible partners in crime. At least one of the brothers is reported to have been with Hernandez when a shooting went down in a bar when they were all at Florida.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2013 08:04 AM (g1DWB)

149 I wonder if any of these talking heads will note the 30% to 50% unemployment rate for black youths with the Obama economy and all, and maybe ask the WH about the effects of that? Hahahaha. I know, just cracking myself up. --- This actually got brought up in another context at a board I post at. Apparently there were cases where kids working at jobs got raises and were forced to quit by their parents because the raises brought the family income high enough that they would no longer qualify for some forms of welfare bennies. The specific case mentioned was from the Delta region of Mississippi, a heavily-black and heavily-impovershed area, and the boss in question had tried to give the kids raises because they were doing good jobs only to lose them over this.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:04 AM (a3iAA)

150 Ace, great post. I know people who are outraged that Zimmerman was acquitted. Never mind the details: He shot an unarmed teenager, and now he's scot-free. And I want to ask them (but I don't, because no good would come of it), is your position: - that Good was lying, and that Martin was not on top of Zimmerman doing a "ground-and-pound" when he was shot? (Good about sealed it for me: if the witness was truthful and correct, self-defense doesn't get much cleaner, however they got to that point.) - that, OK, maybe he was, but Zimmerman wasn't in any real danger - he really wasn't beaten up too badly, and didn't need to shoot - that, you know what? Fuck him. He racially profiled Martin, deserved what he got, and should have just taken it. Hate to say it, but I think a lot of people outraged by the verdict basically believe C. But they can't say so, so their account is, "He followed him, he PROFILED him, a scuffle ensued [elision alert!], and he shot him dead!"

Posted by: JPS at July 15, 2013 08:04 AM (g11mv)

151 Yeah, the same assholes who are calling the constitution some old moldy document because its 200 years old somehow still demand all kinds of justice because of shit that happened 200 years ago.

Posted by: Berserker at July 15, 2013 08:04 AM (FMbng)

152 There is some 'good' news. Congress is allowing the DoD to shift funds. So the planes grounded due to budget cuts should be getting back in the air. Including the USAF Thunderbirds.

Air Force General Mike Hostage said in a statement: "This decision gets us through the next several months, but not the next several years."

I should find this guy's name funny except that is exactly what happened, the military was taken prisoner by unscrupulous scoundrels and carpet-baggers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23318263

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 15, 2013 08:05 AM (QbyMe)

153 For a while there, weren't they trying to teach black kids not to deal with every squabble with violence?

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 08:05 AM (cjFRv)

154 At the outset, Steve Sailer theorized that Trayvon thought that Zimmerman was a homosexual, who was following him to solicit sex. This theory was bolstered a bit by the "creepy/pervert" testimony, but neither side went into it (pretty clear why the prosecution wouldn't).

It certainly explains why Tryvon would initiate a confrontation--he could tweet and post about beating up a cracker faggot--and would have expected little physical resistance.

Posted by: Links at July 15, 2013 08:05 AM (RgIRJ)

155 Jimmy cracked corn

singing hobo from Pee Wee's Big Adventure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrE17OVVW_E

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 15, 2013 08:06 AM (8sCoq)

156 151 He's a German mexican. He really really likes oom pah pah music. Posted by: eleven at July 15, 2013 12:03 PM (KXm42) ========= There's enough oom pah pah tuba in NorteÃ±o music to satisfy him.

Posted by: Sister Sestina at July 15, 2013 08:06 AM (1wI7y)

157 Why don't you cracka's get off my back...

Posted by: Zombie Grey-poupon at July 15, 2013 08:06 AM (GQ72I)

158 Since popular culture is wildly liberal on a ~~cellular~~ Bamapho degree, they of course never have their beliefs challenged and cannot imagine such a thing. Fixed.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 15, 2013 08:06 AM (uwLxR)

159 67 I didn't even get a nibble on the previous thread, and I just want to know if the joke is old, or I'm brilliant for thinking of it first: The Pope is considering Trayvon's candidacy for sainthood. There is already one confirmed miracle... Trayvon managed to turn one brown person white. Well????? Fine, back to work NOT writing comedy for me. Posted by: BurtTC I thought it was funny....

Posted by: White guy who tans so heavily he can "Pass..." at July 15, 2013 08:07 AM (ULH4o)

160 The implication on a personal level is that individual blacks, especially young black males, have been convinced that they have an absolute right to respect from others, and to commit an act of violence in order to regain their self-respect. Every voice they bother to listen to has told them so. Trayvon listened, and died for it. The leftists and the racialists don't care; Trayvon became a symbol and a foot soldier for them in an overarching battle against the West. They didn't care about him--they cared about his symbolic value.

Posted by: joncelli at July 15, 2013 08:07 AM (RD7QR)

161 Not just a former teammate, possible partners in crime. At least one of the brothers is reported to have been with Hernandez when a shooting went down in a bar when they were all at Florida. --- I shouldn't really be surprised. The two biggest groups of thugs in the SEC a few years back tended to be the Tennessee players, mainly under Lane Kiffin, and the Florida Gators under Urban Meyer. At least when LSU players thug around, they fucking get suspended until they work their way through the legal system.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:07 AM (a3iAA)

162 F. Since the alleged concern about white on black crime is pure megafucking bullshit because there isn't any...especially compared to the black on white variety. Sure sure, blacks kill tons of blacks but it's not so rare that they kill outside their race. And it's a hate fact to notice that. It's so perverse. Basically, the country is drinking a big cup of shut up on this. Remember the black children who would look like Obama's hypothetical sons who raped,tortured, killed the Newsome couple? And, was it true that Trayvon's crime spree at his school was covered up because the powers that be were embarrassed by all the black children committing crimes? G. Is it racist to notice this or is it even more insidious and racist to pretend it isn't there?

Posted by: oeJay44incday at July 15, 2013 08:07 AM (QxSug)

163 NBC legal isn't doing their job, apparently, if they're letting her do that. Nancy "Got no" Grace works for HLN.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 15, 2013 08:07 AM (7ObY1)

164 Posted by: Sarahw at July 15, 2013 11:53 AM (LYwCh) Trayvon probably was up to no good, there's an investigation going on in miami over the police purposefully misidentifying stole goods as "found" so they didn't have to arrest black youths. St. Trayvon had a dozen pieces of jewelry that an unnamed friend "gave him" which were incidentally stolen from a house a few streets from his high school. There's the tweets and texts about selling guns, buying guns, doing drugs, the fighting. He was a proto-thug, he hadn't yet metamorphosized into a full thug but he was on his way. Zimmerman probably shaved 5-7 years off St. Trayvon's life expectancy and if the media hadn't mistaken him for a white guy we'd of never heard about this.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at July 15, 2013 08:08 AM (HEa5q)

165 And regarding "cutting into bone"--this is not about some candidate losing an election, or a bad policy being passed. It is about the basic ability to not be at the hands of the "social justice" mob whenever they decide to seek a target for the government to execute, based upon whatever ornate theory they cooked up this week.

Posted by: "Clayton Moore" at July 15, 2013 08:08 AM (PymbO)

166 When does Zim get the bill from the prosecution for services rendered in proving his innocence?

Posted by: UWP at July 15, 2013 08:08 AM (r98SZ)

167 Corey's first statement after the charging doc was "This is not a political prosecution." Which is an odd statement if it isn't. Combine with rampant Brady violations and that is not far from malicious prosecution.

Posted by: Beagle at July 15, 2013 08:09 AM (bxJO9)

168
I don't think there is anyway the Feds will bring Civil Rights charges against Zimmerman. They are just going thru the process to satisfy their base.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 15, 2013 11:51 AM (9Xc5j)

Yeah, this.

But GZ had better get himself one hell of a tax attorney/accountant for the inevitable settlements/judgements from the MFM lawsuits. You know damn well that the IRS is gonna rake him over the coals.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 15, 2013 08:09 AM (TIIx5)

169 Burt you made me throw a rotten tomato at my screen.

Posted by: eleven at July 15, 2013 08:09 AM (KXm42)

170 10 I'm sure Zim is worth about a 4 million dollar book advance - right now. He needs to get that check and put it in an offshore trust ASAP. Posted by: UWP at July 15, 2013 11:36 AM

I doubt it, the publishers don't want the bullshit that comes from the organized intimidation from Obama For America

Paula Deen's latest book was pulled by the publisher and Amazon even though it was headed for bestseller status AFTER the n-word silliness

BTW, why isn't Nancy Grace being yanked off the air for her anti-Hispanic slur on Friday night?

Posted by: kbdabear at July 15, 2013 08:09 AM (/9IC1)

171 oh yeah, H. In the stupid civil suit against Zimm, where the parents sue for wrongful death, does that mean the jury will see the child's twitter feed and other childlike things he did?

Posted by: oeJay44incday at July 15, 2013 08:09 AM (QxSug)

172 There's another piece of the backstory here that none of us should expect for the media (layers of fact-checkers and editors!) to pursue.

That's the way in which the police of the Miami-Dade school system (yes, the schools have their own in-house police there) caught Trayvon Martin with stolen jewelry for which he could not plausibly account, and a "burglary tool", apparently a heavy duty screwdriver. Not many reasons for someone with no vocational courses and no mechanical aptitude to carry such a tool other than to pry open doors and windows with it.

What happened then? The chief of the schools police, at the behest of the school board, covered it up to keep it from going into the rest of the justice system. Because the Miami-Dade schools have a massive problem with adolescent AfAm males in those schools committing crimes, and putting those adolescent AfAm male criminals in "diversion" programs makes the school district's numbers look better.

Unvoiced in all this is that the school board and the school police may think they're doing their pupils a favor. They're not. Letting juvie criminals skate on early offenses is a "gateway" process whereby those young crims quickly figure out there is no substantive punishment for their crimes, and they move rapidly up into bigger and worse forms of crime.

So Trayvon Martin at the time of his death apparently had several criminal sidelines running. He was an amateur street fighter who veered from mutually consenting fights into occasional unprovoked assaults (such as swinging on bus drivers). He was a small time drug dealer. He was dabbling in unlicensed, unrecorded gun sales. But the big money maker for Trayvon was likely just what the school bust revealed: residential burglary.

There are places in America where a young man can embark on residential burglary and expect to live to a ripe old age. Florida is NOT one of those places. It's got very high per capita firearms ownership and it's a castle doctrine state.

If Trayvon hadn't been shot by George Zimmerman in self-defense, odds are that sooner rather than later he would have broken into a house at night to rob it. As Trayvon may well have been looking to do on the night of the altercation.

Sooner or later he would have picked a house where someone was home, and armed. That would have ended up with Trayvon shot stone cold dead by the householder in self-defense. And it would have been vanishingly unlikely to go to trial, too.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 15, 2013 08:10 AM (gqT4g)

173 174 Corey's first statement after the charging doc was "This is not a political prosecution." Which is an odd statement if it isn't. Combine with rampant Brady violations and that is not far from malicious prosecution. --- What she should really be worried about is the evidence concealed from the defense team and the firing of the IT guy who brought it to their attention. Concealing evidence in a criminal prosecution would be one of the things that would pierce her immunity AFAIK, meaning she could not only be disbarred but also imprisoned.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:10 AM (a3iAA)

174 He's a German mexican.

-----

mmmmmm...... weinerschnitzel in a tortilla with pico de gayo and sauerkraut

Posted by: fixerupper at July 15, 2013 08:11 AM (nELVU)

175 Jorge was walking around on the public area of his own neighborhood. Beyond cussing him out, TrayvonÂ© had no right to do anything about it. Period. End of discussion.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 15, 2013 08:11 AM (codCi)

176 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 15, 2013 08:11 AM (/PCJa)

177 Angela Correy and Helen Thomas. MMA Cage match.

Posted by: Marcus at July 15, 2013 08:12 AM (GGCsk)

178 Now I can admit, we know the animal rescue juror on Anderson Cooper tonight. She has no clue about the grilling and scapegoating she's about to receive.

Posted by: Beagle at July 15, 2013 08:12 AM (bxJO9)

179 The implication on a personal level is that individual blacks, especially young black males, have been convinced that they have an absolute right to respect from others, and to commit an act of violence in order to regain their self-respect. Every voice they bother to listen to has told them so. I wish those voices had said, "Respect is earned, not simply given because you evaded a doctors' scissors".

Posted by: rickb223 at July 15, 2013 08:12 AM (uwLxR)

180 I was listening to kfi and the guy was saying the jury got it right but George is a dummy. I hate when people have to qualify their opinons like that because they are scared assholes or are just seeking ratings.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 08:13 AM (cjFRv)

181 184 Considering the last 2 cases she has obsessed about (Casey Anthony and Zimmerman), if I ever commit a serious offense, I want Nancy Grace to go on t.v. night and night and proclaim me guilty. That appears to be a get out of jail free card. --- I had never heard of her before the Chris Benoit murder-suicide and her handling of the whole situation quickly showed that she is a goddamn retard who does not do her research before going on the air. Some of that could have been excused by seeing wrestling as beneath her, but she's made the same mistakes repeatedly on other cases.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:13 AM (a3iAA)

182 185 Angela Correy and Helen Thomas. MMA Cage match.

Posted by: Marcus at July 15, 2013 12:12 PM (GGCsk)

With baby oil?

Posted by: Harry "Creepy ass cracker" Reid at July 15, 2013 08:13 AM (RD7QR)

183 The black on white crime rate is an order magnitude higher than the white on black rate. And compare the black on white rape statistics. If white men were raping black women at anything remotely close to the rates black men rape white women -- it would be a daily hatefest on the news. But white women who get raped by a black guy are told to shut up and not notice it was a black guy. They are made to feel guilty even about being raped -- like maybe they are a racist who deserved it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 15, 2013 08:14 AM (ZPrif)

184 With baby oil?

Denture cream.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 15, 2013 08:14 AM (codCi)

185 Jorge was walking around on the public area of his own neighborhood. Beyond cussing him out, TrayvonÂ© had no right to do anything about it. I would have supported cussing him out. And walking on. Go beyond that, it's on you, St. Dumbass.

Posted by: zsasz at July 15, 2013 08:14 AM (MMC8r)

186

Is Allah a lawyer?

If not, he can be forgiven for thinking that just because Zimmerman may have become a "public figure" prior to NBC's doctoring the 911 tape, that it would be some defense for intentionally editing in such a defamatory manner.

If he is a lawyer, his clients might want to find somebody who knows their ass from a hole in the ground.

Posted by: jwest at July 15, 2013 08:14 AM (u2a4R)

187 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 15, 2013 08:14 AM (/PCJa)

188 If GZ doesn't want to spend the rest of his life playing defense, he'd better start playing offense. Suing the State of FL is the most important thing he can do in that regard.

Posted by: Carter Hull at July 15, 2013 08:14 AM (hKyl0)

189 Z-man's getting his gun back. I wonder if he's going to notch it.

Posted by: Crashpanic at July 15, 2013 08:14 AM (jWakl)

190 What part of- "dude, why are you following me", a retort of "what are you doing here" and a final response of "I am staying with family in #XX" don't people understand.

Pummeling the wimpy dude asking questions was optional.

Posted by: Marcus at July 15, 2013 08:14 AM (GGCsk)

191 The implication on a personal level is that individual blacks, especially young black males, have been convinced that they have an absolute right to respect from others, and to commit an act of violence in order to regain their self-respect. Every voice they bother to listen to has told them so. --- There seems to be an inverse relationship between deserving respect and demanding it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:14 AM (a3iAA)

192 In all the millions of words spewed by the MFM over this case, I don't think I've once heard discussion of Z's broken nose and how that may have played into his fear of serious bodily harm or death.. I've had my nose broken twice, once in a teenaged fight and once from an errant elbow during a pickup basketball game. Besides the great deal of pain, there is a HUGE amount of blood and gore, along with light-headedness from the sudden loss of a ton of blood. Seems to me that all that pain, gore and the light-headedness might have played into Z's fear just before he shot, especially if he'd never suffered a broken nose before.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 15, 2013 08:15 AM (7ObY1)

193 But GZ had better get himself one hell of a tax attorney/accountant for the inevitable settlements/judgements from the MFM lawsuits. You know damn well that the IRS is gonna rake him over the coals. Cayman Islands.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 15, 2013 08:15 AM (uwLxR)

194 Z-man's getting his gun back. I wonder if he's going to notch it. Oh no you di-int.

Posted by: eleven at July 15, 2013 08:15 AM (KXm42)

195 When I said that here two or three weeks back, I got jumped on for assuming Zimmerman was Jewish sounding. I always find it amusing when New Yorkers or Floridians assume that "Zimmerman" is Jewish. Where I come from, it isn't.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 15, 2013 08:15 AM (T0NGe)

196 Nancy Grace = Drunk

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 08:16 AM (cjFRv)

197 Perhaps I'm a simplistic dolt, but beyond the idea of legal rights, what about simple courtesy? What if -- all things being equal -- Trayvon had reacted in a non-street-thug manner when confronted? (Zimmerman follows suspicious teen. Martin notices pudgy guy following him.) TM: Can I help you? (Or, alternately: What's your problem?) GZ: I'm part of a neighborhood watch program, and we've had some break-ins. Do you live around here? TM: Yeah, I'm staying with my dad at XX address. GZ: Okay, thanks. Stay safe. (End of confrontation.) Now, this doesn't have the bravado that a punk kid might recall to his friends the next day, but one might notice, he is alive at the end of the conversation. What's lost here is basic civility, not just civil rights. And the culture just seems to gloss over it, and even give it a harder shove towards anarchy. The Golden Rule has been replaced with "Don't Diss Me" and we're a poorer society for it.

Posted by: red speck at July 15, 2013 08:16 AM (9/Ug/)

198 @160: That's an interesting theory, but Sailer also thinks Palin is stupid because she's not Jewish, to pull just one of his non-sequiturs off the pile.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 15, 2013 08:16 AM (oovil)

199 >If he is a lawyer, his clients might want to find somebody who knows their ass from a hole in the ground.<

This^.

I've given up reading that mans stupidity. My IQ takes a hit every time.

Posted by: Marcus at July 15, 2013 08:16 AM (GGCsk)

200 1. Folks upset about black defendants getting off from the charge of killing other blacks, should visit Oklahoma county. Local democratic DA is having a hard time getting juries to convict. The witnesses are hard for the jurors to believe. 2. Does the IT whistleblower have a cause if he were to sue?

Posted by: Goatweed at July 15, 2013 08:16 AM (8HrdX)

201 177

BTW, why isn't Nancy Grace being yanked off the air for her anti-Hispanic slur on Friday night?

Posted by: kbdabear at July 15, 2013 12:09 PM (/9IC1)

She dropped an f-bomb on air, too, saying "f**ckin' coons". She should be fired for that. Plus, to top it off, she used the f-bomb describing something Zimmerman never said, as that was proven by better analysis of Zimmerman's call to the dispatcher that night, which showed he said "cold" not "coons". We knew this a long time ago, yet Grace -- she of the huge, flaring nostrils and perpetual constipated and aggravated demeanor -- didn't know this basic fact.

Posted by: Slappy at July 15, 2013 08:16 AM (LTbLf)

202 202 Z-man's getting his gun back. I wonder if he's going to notch it. Oh no you di-int. --- No, I doubt he'll notch it. I'm not sure if he'll add a stick-figure wearing a hoodie to the door of his car though...

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:17 AM (a3iAA)

203 Unvoiced in all this is that the school board and the school police may think they're doing their pupils a favor. They're not. Letting juvie criminals skate on early offenses is a "gateway" process whereby those young crims quickly figure out there is no substantive punishment for their crimes, and they move rapidly up into bigger and worse forms of crime. New marketing meme? Kel-Tec, Doing the job Miami-Dade School Board refuses to do".

Posted by: rickb223 at July 15, 2013 08:17 AM (uwLxR)

204 Martin was shot to death while committing fucking assault. Simple as that. When you jump a stranger and proceed to beat the shit outta him, don't act surprised when he pulls a weapon and kills your sorry ass.

Posted by: maddogg at July 15, 2013 08:17 AM (OlN4e)

205 Wait what anti Hispanic slur did Madame Hysteria (aka Nancy Grace) drop on Friday?

Posted by: Jenny Hates All The Things at July 15, 2013 08:18 AM (GmTxn)

206 The fact that Jenteal supposably (sic) WROTE the letter is noteworthy. Not the fact that Jenteal can't read cursive. Most hilarious moment of the trial was Dee Dee being asked by West to re-read part of her testimony to the police, the part where she said she wasn't sure that was St. Skittles' voice on the 911 call. Took her what, 10 agonizing minutes to "read" those 5 or 6 lines in the report? She's clearly illiterate. It's not just cursive that she can't read.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 15, 2013 08:19 AM (7ObY1)

207 New marketing meme? Kel-Tec, Doing the job Miami-Dade School Board refuses to do". --- Kel-Tec - The Most Famous Gun In American Self Defense

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:19 AM (a3iAA)

208 The implication on a personal level is that individual blacks, especially young black males, have been convinced that they have an absolute right to respect from others, and to commit an act of violence in order to regain their self-respect.

***

A result of our self esteem uber alles culture.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 15, 2013 08:20 AM (Hx5uv)

209 Kel-Tec - One Shot

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 15, 2013 08:20 AM (codCi)

210 I'm not sure if he'll add a stick-figure wearing a hoodie to the door of his car though...

Oh, I'm so going to hell for laughing at that.

Posted by: GMan at July 15, 2013 08:20 AM (sxq57)

211 212 Martin was shot to death while committing fucking assault. Simple as that. When you jump a stranger and proceed to beat the shit outta him, don't act surprised when he pulls a weapon and kills your sorry ass. Like El Rushbo keeps saying, he wasn't an "unarmed" teenager. He had two arms, and he was using those two arms to bash Z's head in.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 15, 2013 08:20 AM (7ObY1)

212 She's clearly illiterate. It's not just cursive that she can't read. --- "Social promotion" at work. When people ask how someone can be illiterate in this country today, they should be shown parents who refuse to help educate their own kids and schools who pass kids along to the next grade who clearly can't hack it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:20 AM (a3iAA)

213 I believe a lot of people in the media thought Zimmerman was not only white, but Jewish, so it was like a twofer for them.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 15, 2013 08:21 AM (qRasw)

214 Suing the State of FL is the most important thing he can do in that regard. NBC. The State of FL insulated itself pretty well, and the courts don't normally listen to cries of "malicious prosecution" unless something was really, really out there. Now, he might get Angela Corey fired and disbarred (I'd hope so), but the State will say, "Hey, that was all on her," and the Court will agree. NBC on the other hand, engaged in deceptive practice to make him look a) guilty and b) racist. If that's not intentionally causing damage to his reputation, I don't know what is.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 15, 2013 08:21 AM (/PCJa)

215 Imagine if Trayvon's parents had given a damn about him. They could have gotten him involved in a church youth group, Scouting, sports, the Boys and Girls Clubs (they offer free mentoring, help with homework, etc.).

Instead, the first thing the mother unit does is run out and trademark "Justice For Trayvon."

"Mom" and "Dad" need to take long, hard looks in the mirror, and quit blaming crackas for their thug son's death.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 15, 2013 08:21 AM (lVPtV)

216 A lot of legal analysts are saying Martin's parents can and will sue Z. From what I've seen of the Fla statutes regarding self-defense, when a person is found to have rightfully acted in SD they are immune from civil action or penalty. Do any of the commentors here know about this?

Posted by: Motorhead at July 15, 2013 08:21 AM (CAEOU)

217 1. edited 911 call 2. Nancy Grace's repeating the fucking coon lie 3. The state screaming and sneering what George said to operator in order to misrepresent it to the jurors. [who the fuck were they fooling? The jurors? I bet they loved having to wipe the spit off them afterwards.] 4. Forgot. The doctoring of the video to hide George's injuries.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 08:22 AM (cjFRv)

218 oh yeah, the implications that black on everyone violence is acceptable is there, but really, it's actually that black on everyone violence is democrat party sponsored. If they don't get their way, then they threaten race riots, prison rape, or other payback. So weird. So a neighborhood watch captain is supposed to look the other way when it's a black child* in a hoodie? * again, consider that by the left's new definition, the Crips and Bloods are youth organizations.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at July 15, 2013 08:22 AM (QxSug)

219 If Zimmerman is a "white Hispanic" now, shall we start referring to the President as a "white Kenyan" too? Heck, that's actually at least more accurate than "black".

Posted by: Optimizer at July 15, 2013 08:22 AM (Mxt9o)

220 223 Suing the State of FL is the most important thing he can do in that regard. NBC. The State of FL insulated itself pretty well, and the courts don't normally listen to cries of "malicious prosecution" unless something was really, really out there. Now, he might get Angela Corey fired and disbarred (I'd hope so), but the State will say, "Hey, that was all on her," and the Court will agree. NBC on the other hand, engaged in deceptive practice to make him look a) guilty and b) racist. If that's not intentionally causing damage to his reputation, I don't know what is. --- He can clearly get NBC for editing the tapes to get what they wanted, thereby showing malice in their reporting, as well as CNN for a failure to blur out his SSN when it was shown to the court, even though the proceedings were on a broadcast delay. Nancy Grace is continuing to add to Zimmerman's potential jackpot every day she refuses to shut up, considering that she has stirred the pot on the whole matter even after NBC fired low-level employees to cover their "mistake" with the 911 tape.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:23 AM (a3iAA)

221 I'm not sure if he'll add a stick-figure wearing a hoodie to the door of his car though... Stick figure with a white "X" over it. Don't laugh. I wanted to get two adult female stick figures and do that to them. (for the ex-wives)

Posted by: rickb223 at July 15, 2013 08:23 AM (uwLxR)

222 oh yeah, H. In the stupid civil suit against Zimm, where the parents sue for wrongful death, does that mean the jury will see the child's twitter feed and other childlike things he did?

Yes. There is an affirmative defense that applies in wrongful death cases. It's known as "The Deceased Was A Shitweasel" Doctrine.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 15, 2013 08:23 AM (8ZskC)

223 Zimmerman is a German name right? IIRC zimmer means room. See, Zimmerman Telegram.

Posted by: Beagle at July 15, 2013 08:23 AM (bxJO9)

224 I have always kind of doubted that TrayvonÂ© was actually 'bashing' Jorge's head on the concrete. To me that kind of implies he was grasping it and slamming it down. I think that Jorge kept lifting his head up in the struggle, and the punches to the face were driving the head down.

Not that it matters.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 15, 2013 08:23 AM (codCi)

225 consider that by the left's new definition, the Crips and Bloods are youth organizations.

***

Like the Muslim Brotherhood except they are somewhat less religious.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 15, 2013 08:23 AM (Hx5uv)

226 I'd still hate fuck Nancy Grace. Yeah, I said it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 15, 2013 08:24 AM (7ObY1)

227 225 A lot of legal analysts are saying Martin's parents can and will sue Z. From what I've seen of the Fla statutes regarding self-defense, when a person is found to have rightfully acted in SD they are immune from civil action or penalty. Do any of the commentors here know about this? Posted by: Motorhead at July 15, 2013 12:21 PM (CAEOU) They have to file and ask for immunity in court. They have that right under the law. MOM mentioned they would be doing so in his press conference and he sounded like it would be no problem to obtain. Might explain why he was so nice when talking about Judge Farley.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 08:25 AM (cjFRv)

228 224 Imagine if Trayvon's parents had given a damn about him. They could have gotten him involved in a church youth group, Scouting, sports, the Boys and Girls Clubs (they offer free mentoring, help with homework, etc.). Instead, the first thing the mother unit does is run out and trademark "Justice For Trayvon." "Mom" and "Dad" need to take long, hard looks in the mirror, and quit blaming crackas for their thug son's death. --- From several accounts, Trayvon was somewhat normal until his dad screwed around on his step-mom, which helped completely disrupt his homelife. That's not to say he wouldn't have still become a thug-prentice if it hadn't happened, but the complete disruption of the homelife seems to have let his bullshit slip through the cracks.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:25 AM (a3iAA)

229 Even if Zimmerman gave trayvon the finger and called him a n-----, it still is not a justification for sucker punching and then pummeling Zimmerman. None of that mattered! And oh man you should see the look I get from lefties when I say that!

Posted by: Weew at July 15, 2013 08:25 AM (fo5ao)

230 228 If Zimmerman is a "white Hispanic" now, shall we start referring to the President as a "white Kenyan" too? Heck, that's actually at least more accurate than "black".

Posted by: Optimizer at July 15, 2013 12:22 PM (Mxt9o)

To be consistent with "white Hispanic," would the correct term describing Obama be "white African-American" or "black Caucasian"?

Posted by: Slappy at July 15, 2013 08:27 AM (LTbLf)

231 >>Jorge was walking around on the public area of his own neighborhood. Beyond cussing him out, TrayvonÂ© had no right to do anything about it. Period. End of discussion. Beyond just going for a stroll, Zimmerman was the head of the neighborhood watch in his community. He as supposed to be out walking around making sure nothing was going down and his neighbors testified at the trial that they were very appreciative of his service. But again, the facts don't mean squat to the left.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2013 08:28 AM (g1DWB)

232 Yes. There is an affirmative defense that applies in wrongful death cases. It's known as "The Deceased Was A Shitweasel" Doctrine. ************* yeah yeah, but the point is that "No limit bad word we can't say" seemed to be a thuggy thug who aspired to be a violent, inebriated street fighter. Kind of odd behavior for a child. Maybe Florida's Child Abductive Services should have been on the ball. Tray's parents created a monster child*. *Child in the sense of a high school football player.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at July 15, 2013 08:28 AM (QxSug)

233 Yes. There is an affirmative defense that applies in wrongful death cases. It's known as "The Deceased Was A Shitweasel" Doctrine. Yeah, there's a better one in FL law that says that a successful Self Defense er... defense... in trial provides immunity from further civil action. They can sue, but Z's lawyers will say "Speak to the Cert, Biotch" and go about their merry way.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 15, 2013 08:28 AM (/PCJa)

234 Washington compost's free subway print version is entirely one-sided. Not in the "lets give the other side a throw away line", I mean COMPLETELY one sided. Full advocacy, no other side.

Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at July 15, 2013 08:28 AM (KyNVK)

235 235 I'd still hate fuck Nancy Grace.

Yeah, I said it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 15, 2013 12:24 PM (7ObY1)

Is there a reason that you dislike your schlong so intensely? Perhaps masturbation addiction?

Posted by: Slappy at July 15, 2013 08:29 AM (LTbLf)

236 Finally--wars start because one side doesn't have enough force to convince the other side to stop. This is not to mean the other side might be the "aggressor" challenging the status quo--Athens made the mistake with Corinth/Sparta of both pushing too hard over Corcyra *and* not having enough immediate naval strength at Sybota to cause immediate victory. It can be the case of America in 1941--morally, she could not support Japan economically, but the sanctions imposed caused Japan to go to war in a way she knew she could not after the Two-Ocean Navy got built. Possession of robust force prevents wars. Absence of it, either by aggressor or victim, starts them, because one side pushes for something the other side will not accept, and doesn't have to.

Posted by: "Clayton Moore" at July 15, 2013 08:29 AM (PymbO)

237 According to the various news reports I've seen during the trial, Zimmerman was either "white Hispanic" or "self-identifies as Hispanic."

Having grown up around latinos in southern Colorado, I can say easily that Zimmerman would not have had to "self-identify", he would have fit right in (although he might have caught some minor flack about his last name).

But that's not what's important. What is important is that the MSM felt it necessary to actually create a new ethnic class (or to cast aspersions on his ethnicity with the "self-identifies" dig) to make it obvious that Zimmerman was the bad guy.

Running pix of Trayvon at age 12 exclusively didn't hurt, either. "Twelve-year-old black kid shot in the back by a white guy." Yup. Keep pounding that square peg, MSM. I'm sure there still exists some stream of revenue and perception of integrity you haven't extinguished.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at July 15, 2013 08:30 AM (/lWM8)

238

"222 I believe a lot of people in the media thought Zimmerman was not only white, but Jewish, so it was like a twofer for them."

Yeah, I don't get that. I've know several different Zimmerman families, and none were Jewish. It's just a German name, and translates to "room-man", meaning "house carpenter".

I see a lot of anti-Israel sentiment on the left , but the stereotypical wealthy Jewish guy is just another component of the self-loathing rich white person, as far as I can tell.

When the Boston bombers hit, they were salivating over the possibility that they were Tea Partiers, not Jews.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 15, 2013 08:31 AM (Mxt9o)

239 I have to say that I'm extremely pleased that the Obama media tried to throw a riot...and no one came (with the exception of some idiot throwbacks in Oakland who were going to riot about something anyway). Here in St. Louis, there were about 600 protesters downtown yesterday (a Sunday, on a Cardinals away game day, which means approximately 10 people would have seen them if the media hadn't covered it). Duped and misguided though I think they are, they had every right to protest.

If Zimmerman ever solicits donations for his lawsuit against NBC, I'm in for $20.

Posted by: Palandine[/i] at July 15, 2013 08:33 AM (aBOpX)

240 Yeah, I think when dad left his wife and shipped the kid back to his mom, things took a turn for the worse. I think TM was at the age where he really needed a male roll model. If you are fucking around, you are not spending time with your family. With the step mom, there were at least 2 adults around but with Mom, there was only one. TM was doing horribly in school because he was never there or suspended. Yet, there is no evidence that he was flunking or going to be held back. That's ridiculous. There are no penalties and therefore no encouragement to attend school and learn something. Social promotion is another killer.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 08:34 AM (cjFRv)

241 Yeah, I don't get that. I've know several different Zimmerman families, and none were Jewish. It's just a German name, and translates to "room-man", meaning "house carpenter". --- My guess is that it was a leap made from thinking about the single most famous Zimmerman in the US, Robert Allan Zimmerman, aka Bob Dylan, who was born Jewish and remained so through his early career before converting to Christianity at some point.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 15, 2013 08:35 AM (a3iAA)

242 10 I'm sure Zim is worth about a 4 million dollar book advance - right now. He needs to get that check and put it in an offshore trust ASAP.
*
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And get himself offshore too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 15, 2013 08:36 AM (BDU/a)

243 I saw the ABC announcement of the verdict on Saturday night. Every single MSM interview after that was with St. Traytable supporters who were "outraged." Did any of the networks aire even a 10-second bite from a Zimmerman supporter?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 15, 2013 08:37 AM (BDU/a)

244 If youÂ’re in your late teens and you get shot after assaulting a neighborhood-watch supervisor, and you want someone else to get blamed for your behavior, here are thirteen tips to make you look like an Â“innocent childÂ” that loves Skittles, doing math and riding horses versus a gangbanger-in-waiting. http://goo.gl/rOc6b

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 15, 2013 08:38 AM (cjFRv)

245 As a general coment: As far as police being able to enforce tyranny in America, which is already armed and has a history of rebellion against central authority, I do not know numbers, but I would invite folks to compare "boots on ground in relation to population" of pre-surge Iraq, and whatever the same number are for police in America. I would think there are several orders of magnitude difference, but admit I could be wrong. I would also say if the 2007 Army size was such it barely pacified Iraq, an Army of somewhat reduced size is not going to be able to do so in a nation ten times bigger, even if all units remain deployed till the end of hostilities. And that assumes that military all breaks your way. Just some thoughts. We are, of course, years away from such things. Years.

Posted by: "Cap'n Crunch" at July 15, 2013 08:38 AM (PymbO)

246 Compare/Contrast: Zimmerman & Martin, Israel & "Palestinians". Discuss.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, in his happy place at July 15, 2013 08:38 AM (zUi7I)

247 There are a few honest leftists out there still, who aren't bought in to the sleazy race hustler narrative, and who are as skeptical about the current President as they were about the previous President. (Note that I said, "a few". Damn few.)

I happened across one of them who said, around the time the Zimmerman trial was kicking off, "I'm tired of hearing about this Trayvon Martin thing. If only he'd been a collateral damage death in one of Obama's drone strikes. We wouldn't have heard word one about the guy."

Posted by: torquewrench at July 15, 2013 08:39 AM (gqT4g)

248 FYI: Andrew Sullivan just linked to this thread.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at July 15, 2013 08:41 AM (H+ct4)

249 My guess is that it was a leap made from thinking about the single most famous Zimmerman in the US, Robert Allan Zimmerman, aka Bob Dylan, who was born Jewish and remained so through his early career before converting to Christianity at some point. Most of the baby boomer Libs in the MFM would have thought the name Zimmerman was Jewish based on it being Dylan's real last name, that's my opinion. At the very least, the MFM thought for sure he was white. And as always, when proven wrong they refused to admit it and doubled down with that "white hispanic" crap. (BTW, I have friends named Zimmerman that are not Jewish.)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 15, 2013 08:43 AM (7ObY1)

250 s there a reason that you dislike your schlong so intensely? Perhaps masturbation addiction? Nah, it's that picture of her currently up over at Breitbart. The shrieking harpy has an Epic rack.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 15, 2013 08:44 AM (7ObY1)

251 If you want to read about St Skittles and the Martin family, check this out:

http://www.re-newsit.com/2013/07/trayvon-martin-and-fantasy-his-mama.html

Posted by: Jay in PA at July 15, 2013 08:49 AM (3LaGb)

252 "Here's the question no one asks: Was Trayvon Martin acting as a racial vigilante that night? Was he administering his own form of Street Justice in response to Zimmerman's alleged racial profiling?" If no one's asking that question, it's because it's an idiotic fucking question. Oh wait, some people are asking it. Oh wait, those people are fucking idiots.

Posted by: livex at July 15, 2013 08:52 AM (OHcmD)

253 213 Wait what anti Hispanic slur did Madame Hysteria (aka Nancy Grace) drop on Friday? Posted by: Jenny Hates All The Things at July 15, 2013 12:18 PM

"He's out on bond driving through Taco Bell eating churros"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFFz28mTFZg

Posted by: kbdabear at July 15, 2013 08:59 AM (/9IC1)

254 And, assume a 17-year-old half European/half Peruvian guy called his girlfriend and said he was being followed by a "creepy-ass [n word]," then left the safety of his own backyard (again, testified by Ms. Jenteal) to walk some distance back to confront the black neighborhood watch captain, broke his nose, knocked him down, and was slamming his head into a sidewalk before being shot once by the black neighborhood watch captain. Everyone, white and black, would be wondering where to pin the medal on the guy.

Yes, racism occurred that night. But not on Mr. Zimmerman's side.

Posted by: Palandine[/i] at July 15, 2013 09:01 AM (aBOpX)

255

Without being too big a dick on this subject, let's just recall some facts:

1. In 2011 there were 448 black-on-white homicides in the U.S., according to FBI statistics.

2. The same year, there were 193 white-on-black homicides.

3. Doing the math, that means that there were 2.3 times as many black-on-white as white-on-black homicides.

4. But wait... there are also 195 million white Americans, but only 35 million or so black Americans. So there are roughtly 5.7 times as many white as blacks.

5. Again, doing the math, that means that, in proportion to the population sizes, blacks are 13 times more likely to kill whites than whites are to kill blacks.

As they say in the Civil Rights Division, that's something of a "disparate impact," isn't it? But no one will talk about that as evidence of pervasive racism, will they?

Posted by: The Regular Guy at July 15, 2013 09:09 AM (qHCyt)

256 Ladies of the jury: George Zimmerman told police on the night of the shooting that his Twix was cloaked in chocolate. But he later told Sean Hannity that his Twix was covered in chocolate. One or the other version must be a lie. which proves hatred, spite or ill-will beyond a reasonable doubt. If the Twix conflicts, you must convicts. The prosecution rests.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 15, 2013 09:13 AM (a5ljo)

257 Posted by: livex So we can put you down as a yes?

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 15, 2013 09:14 AM (QupBk)

258

Yes indeed, Sir!

Posted by: Big Daddy B at July 15, 2013 09:16 AM (ceoOP)

259 "Mom" and "Dad" need to take long, hard looks in the mirror, and quit blaming crackas for their thug son's death.

That sounds like you're advocating personal responsibility. Racist.

Posted by: News Intern at July 15, 2013 09:22 AM (QehQP)

260 _______________________________

Ace,

With all due respect (and with total dissent from asshole-comment #261 above), I don't believe the correct strategy for us pro-self-defense advocates to be "asking questions" at this point.

What's happening now is that even after total exoneration by a jury, a mass of irrational freaks on the left are continuing to verbally attack Zimmerman and elevate the bogus notion that his case proves racial injustice in America.
They are winning.
They are pushing an agenda, and no one is pushing back.

It is as if they are wearing the darkest sunglasses standing in the middle of the noon day sun shrieking at the top of their lungs that it is midnight.
And because they are frothing at the mouth while doing their shrieking, normal people are afraid to point out that they are crazy.

There are really only two ways to deal with their ferocious insanity.

One, let them win by default because no one is truly willing to stand up to them. They are allowed to win the narrative and forever paint the Zimmerman case as a horrific example of the White People's System murdering an innocent, angelic black child. Their bogus righteous indignation wins the day.

Two, set the record straight at every available opportunity.
Now that the trial is over and Zimmerman has been unequivocally cleared, we are no longer required to hedge our analysis as though we too were members of a jury receiving only filtered information of a limited context in the name of arriving a singular point of clarity: guilty or not guilty.
Instead, we can embrace the larger context and point starkly at the obvious: Trayvon Martin was a thug. He made a thug's attack on Zimmerman.

I have already gotten into two arguments with friends of mine who are liberal. In both cases, the argument started out ugly enough. But when we (or really only I) started to review the basic facts of the case: they got quiet.

It's amazing. They had no idea that the single EYE witness to the actual fight in progress testified that it was Martin who was doing the brutal "ground and pound" on Zimmerman. And further that the same witness had testified that it was Zimmerman who was making the blood chillingly desperate cries for help.

I reviewed other evidence with them (of which they were totally unaware) showing that while Martin's knuckles were bruised from landing punches, Zimmerman's knuckles were not bruised.

Towards the end of our conversations neither of my liberal friends knew what to say. But they had stopped their insane rants when they realized that didn't have the first clue as to what they were talking about.

I concluded with the obvious.
Trayvon Martin is dead because he was a thug engaged in a brutal thug attack against an armed citizen who managed to save his own life.

To those idiots who want to continue this argument and rail against the "injustice" of this acquittal, the obvious fact of what Trayvon Martin was must be insistently placed in front of them. The ugly facts must be harshly highlighted for this utter fools over and over again.
It's not that they will suddenly agree with you. Oh no, that will probably never happen!
Rather, it's that they begin to feel foolish as their obviously false narrative implodes in around them in the face of cold, hard facts.
They get quieter, and quieter....

Posted by: _Dave_ at July 15, 2013 09:44 AM (J+Q+d)

261

None of this would have happened if Zimmerman was 6'2" and weighed 220.

Tray would not have been aggressive with someone who was bigger than he was.

Tray wanted to teach a lesson to a cracker he figured he could take. He apparently did not live long enough to learn that you do not start a fight with a stranger as an adult. You do not know if that person has been trained to fight or is armed.

Posted by: Brian at July 15, 2013 10:17 AM (kFeuD)

262

Was it merely a coincidence that AMC had a "Death Wish" marathon running on Saturday? Or, prepping the vigilante battlefield so to speak.

Posted by: Scott at July 15, 2013 11:00 AM (mSdpD)

263 Why are you wasting time on this local crime story?

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at July 15, 2013 11:06 AM (ebXTQ)

264 Liberals have drank deeply of the Lean and gone a little too heavy on the Robitussin namely St. Skittle's juice.

Posted by: dscott at July 15, 2013 11:15 AM (PQhpg)

265 Pic of the Day: 'But, George Zimmerman Is White And He Hates Black People!'

http://tinyurl.com/og9tncv

Posted by: Sophie13 at July 15, 2013 11:52 AM (EhI+i)

266 Here's what is said by liberals: "Zimmerman should have let the police handle it since they're so super-cool awesome and smart but Martin was perfectly in his rights to assault someone he thought was following him. There was no responsibility on his part to take his cell phone and call 911 about Zimmerman. Here's what is understood by liberals: "What did you expect? Violence is the go-to default setting for a black man. " Posted by: B at July 15, 2013 11:40 AM (twiRb) Zimmerman should have let the police handle it, because that was their job. But since Martin was not doing anything illegal or suspicious, they had no reason to come and investigate. So, Zimmerman took the law into his own hands ie vigilantism. He stalked Martin with his legally owned firearm, and he complained "these fucking punks and assholes" always get off. What did Martin do that made him a "fucking punk and asshole" in Zimmerman's eyes? Yes, murder 2 was a stretch, and Dershowitz was right that the prosecutor overcharged. The hate crime probably won't stick, either, if the DOJ pursues it. But Zimmerman went looking for trouble, probably a reckless endangerment charge, and when he found it and got his ass beat, he killed the person he provoked by stalking him. I would be pissed off if someone was following me in the dark. Nobody knows what words were exchanged or if events occurred as Zimmerman maintained, because the other person, an unarmed black 17 yo boy, is dead. Sorry, that looks like shit, and I have a hard time defending Zimmerman. If he was a cop, he would probably be suspended for his poor judgment.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 15, 2013 01:43 PM (RUw+I)

267 275 Tatoo De Plane,

"creepy ass cracka" that is in evidence my friend, I don't have "fucking asshole n***er punk ass mofo" on tape....

Trayvon Martin decided being offended at a person engaging in the sin of community watch was license for assault.

He decided to box with a 9mm, stupidity is its own reward.

"Yo you got a problem with me asshole?"

"Uh look I'm the head of the neighborhood watch and we've had problems with break ins...you staying around here?"

"I'm at 4455 Anywhere street if there's a real problem let's call the cops sir."

is a lot better a game than

"You got a problem now"

"thump"

Pop Pop Pop Pop

BOOM

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 15, 2013 03:06 PM (LRFds)

268 274 sophie13,

George Zimmerman is half as black and half as white as Barack Obama last I checked...

This whole thing is insane Racial-political grievance performance art...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 15, 2013 03:08 PM (LRFds)

269 So, he deserved to die for that?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 15, 2013 03:19 PM (iy7de)

270 278 Tatoo DePlane,

Yes he deserved to die for initiating an assault that had potentially lethal or long term cerebral implications for his victim.

Sorry you want to turn this into Emothon 2013 and assume facts not in evidence.

Had Travyon Martin overweight neighborhood watch captain been assaulted by George Zimmer young thug ass punk academy and had to resort to lethal force to maintain his safety and mind then I would have the same position...

the media, naacp, race bait industry would not...

I'm sorry you want to second guess a person in a lethal situation

http://tinyurl.com/oxqf4ay

Joplin MO

http://tinyurl.com/7ebnrnp

CA blunt force trauma

http://tinyurl.com/o4gua4o

NC blunt force trauma to the head...

http://tinyurl.com/p74pkq5

Calgary AB suckerpunch causes death...

Yeah guess what one of the two people involved broke the law...

he was "armed only with skittles"

The other guy responded to legitimate fear for his life and safety and killed him.

I'll agree perhaps GZ should have checked his six and been a better CCW holder but he did nothing against the law as shown by the fucking evidence.

The law is the law, I must have missed where Eric Holder who was asst fucking AG at the time or celebrity shit stirrer Barry Choom called for Civil Rights violations charges against OJ fucking Simpson...

the African American community and Media killed that child, G Zimmerman just pulled the trigger.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 15, 2013 03:31 PM (LRFds)

271 http://tinyurl.com/prgbcxl

By the way cops shoot unarmed people as often as they feel the need.

This "justified shoot" in VA for example...

Golly a 117 pound 20 year old who was angry against multiple cops was a justified shoot...

I guess since the kid lived it was "okay to shoot?"

The kid never even swung...no this is and always has been about race, and one side of the aisle is empowering 13% of the population to think they are allowed to assault people for thought.

Sorry to cut through the bullshit.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 15, 2013 03:48 PM (LRFds)

272 http://tinyurl.com/nzucctk

Florida case of two cops shooting cuffed unarmed man in the back and tazed him....

no charges filed yes they were yanked off the street...

cops are not "extra special snowflakes" in the eyes of the law...

the average person has the same right to self-defense that a cop does.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 15, 2013 03:52 PM (LRFds)

273 http://tinyurl.com/qb9bab2

http://tinyurl.com/qb9bab2

Unarmed man attacking a cop was killed by another cop....

the lack of weaponry does not preclude justification and the law is the law as is the case....

nobody has the "right" to initiate violent action against another person lacking serious provocation or a predicate felony.

Sorry not gonna get caught up in the histrionic game or play my dick is bigger than George Zimmerman's...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 15, 2013 03:55 PM (LRFds)

274 Yes, cops shoot unarmed people. They're cops. Zimmerman took the law into his own hands and pursued an innocent, unarmed person in the dark. Then we have one side of the story. Zimmerman says he was attacked. He was certainly getting his ass beat when the neighbor looked out his window and called 911. Zimmerman says he was afraid for his life. His injuries say otherwise -- a bloody nose and not even stitches needed for his head. While there was not enough evidence to convict him of murder 2, there was not enough evidence to acquit him of manslaughter, either. He had no business following Martin, who had every reason to fear for his life.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 15, 2013 06:43 PM (hrAg/)

275 283 Tatoo De Plane,

Again you are manufacturing facts not in evidence.

1) St Trayvon was safe and home, he CHOSE electively to go "teach creepy ass cracka" a lesson

2) George Zimmerman was not "playing cop" he was at worst acting as an underpaid security guard. I did what he was doing professionally thanks. You charge at me and try to kill me or do some low skilled elective brain surgery with concrete I'll happily shoot you if need be.

Now, as a pro I am aware of the 21 feet rule, and have less lethal methods to deal with adversity BUT YOU REFUSE TO GRASP Trayvon Martin CHOSE to die when he chose to go back and assault George Zimmerman.

The necessity of stitches is sorta moot, ground and pound is attempted homicide, thanks for playing.

Keep dancing around the felony Trayvon Martin engaged in, and ignoring the exculpatory evidence of homicidal intent in G Zimmerman's vs Trayvon Martin's characters.

Martin was on camera brandishing a .380, he bragged about suckerpunching other people, he had committed robbery within the month, in short frankly the reason G Zimmerman was suspicious and did in fact act properly in calling the LE community and trying to interact with T Martin as a suspicious character was...hold the fucking phone b/c Trayvon Martin was a goddamned thug.

I'm not sorry he's dead, he chose to die.

You act as though Law Enforcement has some magical shield under law that grants them greater license to engage in violent self-defense and the answer under law is no they do not, what perceived "extra special maxi-protection" you want to grant them is granted as such b/c they are an agent of the govt with theoretically "special training."

Guess what as a rent-a-cop I was a better marksman with the AR-15A2 platform in my county than everyone in LE but two Swat guys. That's not brag that's fact it was a result of my practice in the US Army infantry and that *is* the difference. You can argue Hogan's Alley teaches "proper restraint" on shoot/don't shoot but cops hit more bystanders than CCW holders.

At the end of the day G Zimmerman was exonerated, he was exonerated b/c under the law you had to show intent of an unsound mind to overrule the self-defense doctrine. He was not of unsound mind, nor unsound judgement when he got a one shot stop. He was in genuine fear for his life under potentially lethal attack by any reasonable standard.

That is the test of law, that is the way it should be as I see it.

You keep wanting to invent motivation for the person who is alive and gave testimony and went through a rectal exam and Jedi HandWave the known and pertinent facts with the person who was not on the stand.

You're welcome to hate self-defense law and the sanctity of right to life until the cows come home. Hell if that is your position sincerely get the law changed where you reside. In the current hysteria based wailing and gnashing of teeth at poor St Skittles you may succeed but at the end of the day all you will have done is as it the case in London UK right now empower the predators to never stumble upon a ram instead of a lamb...

Me, I'll respect people until they do not merit it, and I'll never assume soft prey is license.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 15, 2013 07:01 PM (LRFds)

276 and by the way he gave testimony, he cooperated too much in my wary opinion with the LE investigation...

he didn't give witness in court but every session with LE was in evidence.

George Zimmerman does not have the burden of proof the state does.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 15, 2013 07:15 PM (LRFds)

277 1) St Trayvon was safe and home, he CHOSE electively to go "teach creepy ass cracka" a lesson >> He was four minutes, if he ran faster than the "creepy ass cracker" -- and he said nothing about teaching him a lesson, only that he was followed. 2) George Zimmerman was not "playing cop" he was at worst acting as an underpaid security guard. >> He was not even a security guard. He was a volunteer neighborhood watch who carried a gun. The neighbor was not even sure what he saw, and he only said the person in dark clothes was astride the person in light clothes and blows were exchanged. It was Zimmerman with the MMA training. "You keep wanting to invent motivation for the person who is alive and gave testimony..." Constantly evolving testimony. At one point Zimmerman said he got out of the car to read a street sign. He initiated a conflict he couldn't win without pulling out the coward's equalizer.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 15, 2013 10:26 PM (RUw+I)

278 The neighbor was not even sure what he saw, and he only said the person in dark clothes was astride the person in light clothes and blows were exchanged. You are simply wrong TdP. He identified Z as being on the bottom, stating that he had no doubt. You are clearly unfamiliar with the law, the evidence or the testimony given at the trial.

Posted by: toby928© reads the actual post at July 16, 2013 10:10 AM (QupBk)

279 This is what I don't get about this case; so many people are saying how awful what Zimmerman did was and how bad it is that he was not found guilty, but nobody is questioning whether, perhaps, if you physical attack someone who is carrying a gun then getting shot it exactly what you should expect to happen. The lesson to be learned here is not - lets beef up laws against racial profiling, the lesson is - don't try to beat up people who are carrying guns.

Posted by: Dean Walsh at July 17, 2013 01:56 AM (RPSNG)

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