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April 02, 2014

"Recant Your Heresies," the Freethinker Demanded
— Ace

I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought.

This is particularly the case when a close-minded, fire-breathing Religious Zealot does not even realize he's in the grips of a Religious Hysteria.

An anonymous writer -- an insider in the tech world, but unwilling to share his or her name (go figure) -- writes about the Moral Panic burning over the tech industry over the elevation of Brendan Eich to the head of Mozilla.

Eich once made a $1,000 donation to Prop 8, in 2006, shortly before the pro-gay-marriage Senate candidate Barack Obama would be persuaded by the righteousness of the traditional marriage cause, and thus announce his conversion to the proposition that marriage must be as it had been eternally, a union between a man and a woman.

For some reason, the rabid Upper Income White Women (and Feminized White Men) of the tech industry don't seem to think Barack Obama deserves criticism for that position, but they're very sure that Eich should either recant or be fired.

One of the most widely-shared and lauded of the countless statements issued in response to the appointment was written by Owen Thomas, managing editor of Valleywag, a self-described Â“tech gossip rag.Â” This is such a remarkable document that I canÂ’t help quoting from it extensively:

YouÂ’ve already said that you wonÂ’t bring any personal exclusionary beliefs to the workplace. But your actions in 2008 were not personal or private: They were public acts of speech, for which your constituents are rightly holding you accountable now. You did not merely express a personal view on same-sex marriage; you attempted to persuade others to support your point of view. . . .
Stop saying that this was merely a private matter that wonÂ’t affect your work as MozillaÂ’s CEO. ThatÂ’s disingenuine and beneath a leader of your stature.
Say that whatever chain of logic led you to conclude that your personal views required you to support Proposition 8 was flawed, erroneous, incorrect. You may well maintain those same viewsÂ—thatÂ’s your prerogativeÂ—but you donÂ’t have to draw the same conclusions from them today as you did six years ago.
Go further. Say that you support the rights of people to enter into same-sex marriages everywhere. Say that you will not only support employees in the United States who are in same-sex marriages, but that you will also fight for the civil rights of Mozilla employees who work in societies with less progressive views.
Finally, make a donation equal in amount to the money you gave to Proposition 8 and candidates who supported it to the Human Rights Campaign or another organization that fights for the civil rights of LGBT people.Â” [Emphases in the original]
Grammar and diction unworthy of an editor aside, one of the most striking things about this passage is its tone, or perhaps we should say its genre. The remedies demanded (public recantation, propitiatory sacrifice) are of the sort necessitated by ritual defilement, rather than the giving of offense. It is also clear that Thomas does not merely wish Eich to say that he has changed his views, he truly, sincerely, desperately hopes that Eich be transformed. The key realization is that the howling mob which Thomas has ginned up is only partially an instrument of chastisement. It is also intended to educate. Thomas is in this to save souls.
Whether or not Eich keeps his position, this episode is instructive for those who hold out hope for a dÃ©tente in the culture wars. The flawed analogy between the movement to end discrimination against African-Americans and the movement to allow gays and lesbians to marry is sincerely believed by many. But it is not merely a convenient piece of rhetoric or a skillful legal strategy. The moral force of the civil rights movement did not permit any sort of accommodation or compromise with bigots, and contemporary social conservatives who believe that they can negotiate more favorable terms of surrender have fallen prey to wishful thinking. What ThomasÂ’s statement and others reveal is that the same-sex marriage movement has inherited that same genuine moral outrage, that same crusading zeal. While supporters of traditional marriage would like to convince the world that they are correct, they may soon find it difficult enough just to establish that they are not monsters. What is certain is that this will not be the last time that a public example is made of a dissenter from the new moral order.

For the moment, Eich isn't resigning, but is instead asking for the same level of tolerance that the New Inquisitors demand for themselves and their ideological allies and identity-favorites.

Good luck on that.

Incidentally, it might make for a good question for the media to ask Obama or Carney -- whether or not they favored the pillorying of Eich for agreeing with Obama on the position he allegedly held on gay marriage from 2008-2011.

It would be informative. It would illustrate what the progressives actually think, or rather, what they feel.

Ergo, it will not be asked.

Posted by: Ace at 12:13 PM | Comments (392)
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1 Crap. Have an OT to post..., but not yet....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 12:15 PM (aDwsi)

2 This just pisses me off even more than I already was...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 02, 2014 12:15 PM (9+ccr)

3 Maybe they should tie him up, throw him in a pond, and see if he sinks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 12:16 PM (aDwsi)

4 Yes, I am the small minded bigot for asking if gay marriage is wise?

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 12:16 PM (D+lxs)

5 Not to go too OT, but Ace, have you followed that link on Drudge about the EPA knowingly poisoning people?

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 02, 2014 12:17 PM (dTh2r)

6 Crap. Have an OT to post..., but not yet.... Is it good news? I could take a little more of that...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 02, 2014 12:18 PM (9+ccr)

7 Of course the anonymous shitpellet who wrote that had to go full "civil rights!". Sure sign of a mental and moral deficient, he can go right ahead and get fucked.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 12:18 PM (ZshNr)

8 Tolerance from thee, but not from me.

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 02, 2014 12:18 PM (Z7PrM)

9 Fire their asses.

Posted by: RWC at April 02, 2014 12:19 PM (fWAjv)

10 More to the point he SHOULD ask his fucking employees...

"so you VOTED for a man who agreed with me in 2008 but "grew" but I must be purged?"

Then fire their asses

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 12:19 PM (TE35l)

11 Hey, California is going to fall into the sea any day now, so who cares?

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 02, 2014 12:19 PM (Z7PrM)

12 We lost the culture war, and it was a slaughter.

Posted by: Dan at April 02, 2014 12:19 PM (COpZ4)

13 If someone disagrees with you today you are to be destroyed, annihilated, burned at the stake and vaporized. What ever happened to abiding other people's positions and having debates rather than this scorched earth policy on both the right and the left. No one is ever completely right or wrong but this 1984 crap has go to go. Grow up already.

Posted by: IrishEd at April 02, 2014 12:19 PM (D0NZx)

14 I would replace "is" with "can be".

Posted by: Jack Burton Mercer at April 02, 2014 12:20 PM (ISRS1)

15 We're getting closer to actual, no-kidding re-education camps every day.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 12:20 PM (zoehZ)

16 Get even with easter eggs.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Paris St-Germain( 2 ) v Chelsea( 1 ) Live at April 02, 2014 12:21 PM (IXrOn)

17 13 IrishEd at April 02, 2014 04:19 PM (D0NZx)

Um can you show me where the right has scorch earthed like this please?

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 12:21 PM (TE35l)

Back in the good old days of the Salem Witch Trials, if the "witch" would admit they were a witch and then recant, they'd forgo punishment. If the witch refused to admit they were a witch, and denied they were a witch, THEN they'd be burnt at the stake.

If Eich does not recant, he is going to get smoked.

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 12:21 PM (D+lxs)

19 15 rickl at April 02, 2014 04:20 PM (zoehZ)

You left out a few steps...

windage and elevation lads...W+L

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 12:21 PM (TE35l)

20 Given the size of California, there were probably millions that donated to the same cause. They would be overwhelmed if given the count.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Paris St-Germain( 2 ) v Chelsea( 1 ) Live at April 02, 2014 12:21 PM (IXrOn)

21 Even Robert C. Bird (D-WV) was granted clemency for past actions. This is going past the Civil Rights Era type stuff. And I doubt that the Firefox CEO deviates that much from the rest of the California catechism, so the whole "leftists circle the wagon" may not apply here.

Posted by: AMDG at April 02, 2014 12:21 PM (eFytx)

22 Byrd's career was a microcosm of the Democrat Party's existence.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 12:22 PM (ZshNr)

23 "Maybe they should tie him up, throw him in a pond, and see if he sinks." Don't give them any ideas.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 12:22 PM (gOoFi)

24 3 Maybe they should tie him up, throw him in a pond, and see if he sinks. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 04:16 PM (aDwsi) If he weighs the same as a duck, he's made of wood. And therefore?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 12:23 PM (mx5oN)

25 You did not merely express a personal view on same-sex marriage; you attempted to persuade others to support your point of view "How dare you try to convince others of something you believe. That's wrong, and let me tell you why...." The stupid it burns. I'm not sure I disagree with the notion that "it's a private matter" as Eich states. It's public speech, which is by definition a public matter. But this outrage is over the top. I mean FFS, he can give freely to Planned Parenthood and no one would care, indeed, he'd be lauded. But support a position on traditional marriage? BURN THE NON-BELIEVER!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 12:23 PM (HDwDg)

26 "disingenuine?"

Posted by: An Editor at April 02, 2014 12:23 PM (vgIRn)

27 Pretty soon it'll be "Bring Out Yer Dead!" ...

Posted by: Adriane... at April 02, 2014 12:23 PM (qoKTg)

28 >>>Grammar and diction unworthy of an editor aside<<<

"disingenuine"

As qualified to be editor as SCOAMF to head up the Harvard Law Review.

Posted by: WTF? at April 02, 2014 12:23 PM (08jH8)

29 Note... its WRITERS in the teck field saying this crap... Its not the TECKs.... The Leftist writing class has insinuated itself into every writing genre... including the Military (very sadly).... Crap... I'm using software written by people of the same damn country that hid BinLaden for years.... why??? because its cheap and works... No one in the real teck industry that I know cares about this at all.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 12:24 PM (84gbM)

30 Microsoft must be behind this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Paris St-Germain( 2 ) v Chelsea( 1 ) Live at April 02, 2014 12:24 PM (IXrOn)

31 Until conservatives push back, this will continue.

Ace mentioned firing those calling for the ouster of the CEO.

Note, NOTHING, would help help America's sick political culture then for this CEO to do exactly that, and let it be known that Mozilla will fire anyone that exhibits the same intolerance.

Also, it would be pretty cool to see Firefox become the conservative browser vs Chrome (liberal/NSA) and internet exploder.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2014 12:24 PM (78TbK)

32 Let's never forget the shortest line in their religious texts: Obama lied.

Posted by: Roy at April 02, 2014 12:24 PM (VndSC)

33 Given the size of California, there were probably millions that donated to the same cause. Yes and It won by a large margin. Something happened between then and now as the tide has changed towards gay marriage. If you'er pummeled everyday by certain "rights" groups and threats anything can happen....

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 02, 2014 12:24 PM (9+ccr)

34 *Byrd. Was so busy changing the mental middle of initial from K to C I missed it. And yes, his career was. But at least he was content just to name 100 post offices after himself.

Posted by: AMDG at April 02, 2014 12:24 PM (eFytx)

"disingenuine?"

Hah.....I like it.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2014 12:24 PM (fsLdt)

36 But Christians boycott things! He must die!

Posted by: Liberals at NRO at April 02, 2014 12:25 PM (MVGKx)

37 "Incidentally, it might make for a good question for the media to ask Obama or Carney -- whether or not they favored the pillorying of Eich for agreeing with Obama on the position he allegedly held on gay marriage from 2008-2011."

**

Ooh!! This is another one of them liberal brain teasers! We should create a game show or walk around a college campus asking these questions.

And shit.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2014 12:25 PM (NpXoL)

38 If you don't believe this type of movement isn't gaining traction, think again. Indeed, our own Federal govt will be employing this practice more and more in the years to come. What is developing is a high-tech form of Witch Mania.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 12:25 PM (5Kf7w)

39

So, how's my truce on social issues working out?

Also, anybody seen my wife lately? Damned if I can find her.

Posted by: Gov. Mitch Daniels

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 12:25 PM (kdS6q)

40 you'er oops. you're, I don't want to get it from the spelling police...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 02, 2014 12:25 PM (9+ccr)

41 Get even with easter eggs.

I have a score to settle with the Easter Bunny too.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 12:25 PM (9PrpA)

42 Ok, I'm not sharp today. But is Ace's first sentence sarcasm?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 12:26 PM (HVff2)

43 Microsoft must be behind this. Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Paris St-Germain( 2 ) v Chelsea( 1 ) Live at April 02, 2014 04:24 PM (IXrOn) Perhaps. But Geekdom more recently has gotten even more incredibly closed minded and been in "BURN THE CONSERVATIVES" mode. They've dialed it up to 11. As a conservative, who once considered himself a member of geek culture (but no longer) it's scary. I'm honestly afraid to hang that shingle out there, lest I be chased off, literally, not figuratively.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 12:26 PM (HDwDg)

44 public acts of speech

These are only to be permitted if you are willing to say the correct things. We have no objection, at this time, if you take more liberty in your speech to yourself.

Posted by: The Left at April 02, 2014 12:26 PM (IN7k+)

Hey guys and girls,

It's tecH, not teck, as in Technology

Posted by: obsessive pendant at April 02, 2014 12:26 PM (D+lxs)

46 I think more sardonic.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 12:26 PM (ZshNr)

47 The IRS leaked the donor list? of course they did.

Posted by: brak at April 02, 2014 12:27 PM (iEoiA)

48 Those crazy leftists should come and learn how to embrace diversity of opinion like we do here at AoSHQ.

Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2014 12:27 PM (u2a4R)

49 Dissent from the leftist POV == Hate.
Hate is not to be tolerated.
Hate is to be stamped out.

Why no, I will not stop and consider that I am being hateful, why do you ask?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 12:27 PM (9PrpA)

50 Nobody expects the California Inquisition.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 02, 2014 12:27 PM (dfYL9)

51 Yes and It won by a large margin. Something happened between then and now as the tide has changed towards gay marriage
***
Propaganda. The media discovered no one was going to call them on pushing anything.

Gay marriage is primarily a proxy to attack Christians for daring to have a moral compass independent for the media-government complex and a damn good one...so the State Media starting working on it in the early 00s. It seems to have sprouted fruit around the middle 00s.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2014 12:27 PM (78TbK)

52 "Incidentally, it might make for a good question for the media to ask Obama or Carney -- whether or not they favored the pillorying of Eich for agreeing with Obama on the position he allegedly held on gay marriage from 2008-2011."

It's absolutely jaw-droppingly astounding just how many single-issue voters there are in the SF Bay Area on the subject of gay marriage. When I say, "single-issue voters", gay marriage is THE ONLY ISSUE EVAR. It is as though the entire universe hinges upon it.

Obama could have gotten us into a catastrophic nuclear war in 2011, and this crew would have come crawling out of the irradiated wreckage to vote to re-elect him the next year. Because gay marriage. Nothing else appears to matter to them. It's absolutely pure, quadruple distilled, extra strength tribal-signifier politics.

So I said to one of these people, "Who said this? 'I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union. You know, God's in the mix.'"

Their response was, "Some homophobic trailer trash fuck in flyover land."

I said, "Um, actually, no, that was Barack Obama in 2008."

They said, "Oh, that. None of us took it seriously. We all knew he was lying about that in order to get elected."

So, yeah, the progtards have already internalized the spin on this one.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 12:28 PM (noWW6)

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

And a religion for idiots.

They are fucking crazy. You can't reason with crazy.

The religion of buttfucking and atheism has gone way too far without being checked. Time to put these fuckers in their place.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 02, 2014 12:28 PM (tVTLU)

54 You cannot have our 1st Amendment and anti-discrimination laws.

We will lose one or the other in this matter.

One protects the freedoms of all.

The other protects and sets aside special privileges for favored groups.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2014 12:28 PM (VjL9S)

55 We're getting closer to actual, no-kidding re-education camps every day. The push back will be epic. Short & bloody, but epic.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 12:28 PM (ix+5k)

56 " Nobody expects the California Inquisition. "

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 12:28 PM (gOoFi)

57 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 04:26 PM (HDwDg) Agreed. Have not gone on Reddit for quite some time, and no longer have interest in 'cons in any real manner. Though it is still fun to poke the nest on how Miranda and the Reavers are the natural progression of a total gov't.

Posted by: AMDG at April 02, 2014 12:28 PM (eFytx)

58 I want a top bunk in the camps. Oh, and by a window.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 12:28 PM (MzhHs)

59 This is straight out of the Bolshevik's playbook. Pure fucking soviet denunciation.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 12:28 PM (bFFNE)

60 We need a digital flip calendar page. Each day there is a Did You Know? about some such lie or issue. Kind of like the Debt Clock. Just a simple message every day, for the very simple minded peeps.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Paris St-Germain( 2 ) v Chelsea( 1 ) Live at April 02, 2014 12:28 PM (IXrOn)

61 55 We're getting closer to actual, no-kidding re-education camps every day. They're called public schools.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 12:29 PM (mx5oN)

Fire.Them.All

Fuck those whiny hypocriticle assholes, they have double standards that make Obama blush.

Posted by: Gmac at April 02, 2014 12:29 PM (4pjhs)

63 Speaking of gay, in the sidebar, there is an article about a Top Gun sequel, and Cruise is going to face off against drones and prove that pilots aren't obsolete. Wasn't that the opening of the Green Lantern movie?

Posted by: blaster at April 02, 2014 12:29 PM (4+AaH)

64 "I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought." I would say the same about atheism. Actually a true atheist can't really think at all. They have to create layers of exceptions to what they think reality is to even function.

Posted by: Chris at April 02, 2014 12:29 PM (crkWb)

65 April 2, 2014 Did You Know that Obama was against Gay Marriage?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Paris St-Germain( 2 ) v Chelsea( 1 ) Live at April 02, 2014 12:30 PM (IXrOn)

66 61 55 We're getting closer to actual, no-kidding re-education camps every day. They're called public schools. Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 04:29 PM (mx5oN) Common core.... nuff said....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 12:30 PM (84gbM)

67 13 If someone disagrees with you today you are to be destroyed, annihilated, burned at the stake and vaporized. What ever happened to abiding other people's positions and having debates rather than this scorched earth policy on both the right and the left. No one is ever completely right or wrong but this 1984 crap has go to go.
Grow up already.
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Evil preaches tolerance until it gains power.

Then it brutally enforces conformity with its views.

Make no mistake: I am saying those pushing gay marriage are holding hands with evil.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2014 12:30 PM (VjL9S)

68 Those crazy leftists should come and learn how to embrace diversity of opinion like we do here at AoSHQ.

Pity party at jwest's.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 12:30 PM (9PrpA)

69 My pee, pee it be wee, wee!

Posted by: Some sad Frenchman at April 02, 2014 12:31 PM (eJVn4)

70 As I said yesterday, these folks have turned me from "meh, I don't really care about gay marriage, go for it y'all" to "fuck you assholes" really quickly. If that makes me anti-gay, then so be it.

As someone here has said multiple times before, it isn't just good enough to accept gay marriage, now it has to be praised and lauded and outright celebrated, or else you are a hater.

Well fuck it. I'm a hater then.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 12:31 PM (GrtrJ)

71 That shiite reads like the Spanish Inquisition.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 02, 2014 12:31 PM (rsudF)

72 Good luck picketing your local mosque, anonymous.

Posted by: BuddyPC at April 02, 2014 12:32 PM (jfUIE)

73 Hey guys and girls, It's tecH, not teck, as in Technology Posted by: obsessive pendant -------------------- Pendant? Hmm. Okay.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 12:32 PM (aDwsi)

74 My guess is he either 1) bows at the altar of gay or 2) is out of a job by the end of this month.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 12:32 PM (MVGKx)

We're getting closer to actual, no-kidding re-education camps every day.

The push back will be epic. Short & bloody, but epic.

Promises, promises....

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2014 12:32 PM (eoeps)

76 Left wing loonies are Bossy.

Posted by: seamrog at April 02, 2014 12:32 PM (eHWYf)

77 63 Speaking of gay, in the sidebar, there is an article about a Top Gun sequel, and Cruise is going to face off against drones and prove that pilots aren't obsolete. Wasn't that the opening of the Green Lantern movie? --- And the plot of a Talespin episode. And I think the plot of that stupid movie "Stealth". This is a case of Bruckheimer being so pig-headed with the Navy for about 30 years that it's impossible to get the cooperation necessary to get that film made again.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 02, 2014 12:32 PM (APuJ7)

78 68 bonhomme at April 02, 2014 04:30 PM (9PrpA)

Yes because we are getting J "throw grannie from the train" West financially hurt in his real life...

Little Lord FauntleWest what happened next...here have a crying rag and couch m'lord...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 12:32 PM (TE35l)

79 68 Those crazy leftists should come and learn how to embrace diversity of opinion like we do here at AoSHQ. Pity party at jwest's. Posted by: bonhomme at April 02, 2014 04:30 PM (9PrpA Probably related to Harry Reid and we are all liars and the like.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 12:32 PM (HVff2)

80 Modern atheism takes the Christian morale code and makes modifications to it...but strips away the actual reason for the code to exist.

This is why you see the left ever more closely associating itself with what is traditionally evil.

Look at Leland Yee...he is the natural progression of the abandonment of traditional ethics.

Say what you need to to acquire political power...then use that power to make yourself wealthy and more powerful...wash rinse repeat. All we have is the hear and now so why not?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2014 12:32 PM (78TbK)

81 I want a top bunk in the camps. Oh, and by a window. Heh, "window." You're a funny guy, aren't you.

Posted by: Hauptreichsfuhrer Kathleen Sebelius at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (8ZskC)

82 All I have ever wanted to say to these zealous fools is, "Stop making me care."

I am perfectly willing to live and let live. I am unsure about the whole "gay marriage" thing, and I'm highly doubtful about our current arrogant willingness to overturn all (but all) the wisdom of our ancestors. But please, stop forcing me to care by persecuting people for following their consciences and beliefs.

It is not likely to work out well.

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (DV/Ik)

83
It's absolutely jaw-droppingly astounding just how many single-issue voters there are in the SF Bay Area on the subject of gay marriage.
Posted by: torquewrench

The Bay area? How about the Republican Party? Lest we forget the hyperventilating from Le Partie Official over Ken Cuccinelli.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (kdS6q)

84 I'm not sure I disagree with the notion that "it's a private matter" as Eich states. It's public speech, which is by definition a public matter. It only became public after the IRS leaked the tax records of the anti-Prop 8 group he donated to.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (SY2Kh)

85 I say we Rack the guy, until he confesses that he is a h8er

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (aDwsi)

86 Part of the problem when this sort of this shit happens is that the person being attacked doesn't want to stand up for their principles. It's time to man the F up.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (LSJmV)

87 Make no mistake: I am saying those pushing gay marriage are holding hands with evil. Pushers, meet the muzzies......

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (ix+5k)

88 >47 The IRS leaked the donor list? of course they did.

Posted by: brak at April 02, 2014 04:27 PM (iEoiA)<

No. Any political donation above either $200 or $250 has to be reported to the government quarterly - and is then made public. HuffPo dedicates a portion of their site to tracking political donations. You can search by zipcode, name, whatever. During the recall here against Walker, the teachers unions used these public domain listings to target companies for boycotts and individuals for abuse.

Not sure how state laws differ for disclosure.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (sjdRT)

89 "Public acts of speech." I wonder where the exact line between public speech and private speech is....and whether that line, like all leftist lines, can move. In the long run, I suppose I will be allowed to talk to myself. Maybe.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (dfYL9)

90 "Eich isn't resigning, but is instead asking for the same level of tolerance that the New Inquisitors demand for themselves and their ideological allies and identity-favorites." "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women." That's what you're up against, Eich. You'd better realize it before it's too late.

Posted by: Socratease at April 02, 2014 12:33 PM (2GbWn)

91 It only became public after the IRS leaked the tax records of the anti-Prop 8 group he donated to. Oops- I mean pro-Prop 8 group. The IRS leaked the info to an anti-Prop 8 group. Totally by accident, I'm sure. Totally.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 02, 2014 12:34 PM (SY2Kh)

My guess is he either 1) bows at the altar of gay or 2) is out of a job by the end of this month.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

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I would love to see the dollar amount in the wrongful termination suit.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2014 12:34 PM (eoeps)

93 "I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought." I can't agree. There are too many examples of believers who think clearly. The founding fathers for example. Perhaps the ability to think clearly affects what one comes to believe.

Posted by: hairless mule at April 02, 2014 12:34 PM (EcY0f)

94 This is another one of these experiments I would love to conduct. Divide the country in half. Libtards on one side. Constitutional conservatives on the other. Big wall of China dealio in the center. At age 21, you can choose where to live. One time only. Come back in one hundred years How much you want to bet the conservative side is prosperous and happy- and the libtard side is basically North Korea with trannies.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 02, 2014 12:35 PM (0cMkb)

95 As someone here has said multiple times before, it isn't just good enough to accept gay marriage, now it has to be praised and lauded and outright celebrated, or else you are a hater.
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Things that 18-1 said were going to happen five years ago if we didn't hold the line then...

I'm just wondering now whether the next crusade will be accepting one of the intolerable things that the slippery slopers said would happen or double down on forcing the populace to participate further in "alternate lifestyles".

Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2014 12:35 PM (78TbK)

96 We're getting closer to actual, no-kidding re-education camps every day. The push back will be epic. Short bloody, but epic. -- Promises, promises.... At that point, there's nothing left to lose.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 12:35 PM (ix+5k)

97 88 Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2014 04:33 PM (sjdRT) And I use the recall petition on daily decisions, purchases etc. 2 can play that game.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 12:35 PM (HVff2)

98 Eich isn't resigning, but is instead asking for the same level of tolerance

He should be asking for their resignation. If I were to bad mouth -publicly- my CEO, my job security would become somewhat problematic.

Posted by: physics geek at April 02, 2014 12:36 PM (MT22W)

99 #18 - rd - You were doing so well.

No one was burned at the stake at Salem, or (generally) in England.

The score at Salem was 19 hanged, one pressed, and approximately 200 died of disease awaiting trial.

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 12:36 PM (DV/Ik)

100 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk----------I would love to see the dollar amount in the wrongful termination suit. He'd resign, due to pressure from his fellows. They'd give him a gold parachute.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 12:36 PM (MVGKx)

101 I like Eich?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 12:36 PM (ZshNr)

102 He's not firing people yet?

Or at least laughing at them while they walk out.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 02, 2014 12:36 PM (DL2i+)

103 As someone here has said multiple times before, it isn't just good enough to accept gay marriage, now it has to be praised and lauded and outright celebrated, or else you are a hater.

Well fuck it. I'm a hater then.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 04:31 PM (GrtrJ)

Well then...No Ellen repeats for you!

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2014 12:36 PM (NpXoL)

104

Part of the problem when this sort of this shit happens is that the person being attacked doesn't want to stand up for their principles. It's time to man the F up.

They isolate and demonize. If you stand up you're on your own against the mob.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2014 12:36 PM (fsLdt)

105 I'm added this to my work toward a degree in "critical a-hole studies"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 02, 2014 12:36 PM (e8kgV)

106 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk----------I would love to see the dollar amount in the wrongful termination suit. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2014 04:34 PM (eoeps) We'll see, once that Fox Sports case gets finished.

Posted by: AMDG at April 02, 2014 12:36 PM (eFytx)

107 No. Any political donation above either $200 or $250 has to be reported to the government quarterly - and is then made public. That doesn't apply here. He didn't donate to a PAC or candidate but to a non-profit advocacy group.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 02, 2014 12:37 PM (SY2Kh)

108 Yes and It won by a large margin. Something happened between then and now as the tide has changed towards gay marriage. If you'er pummeled everyday by certain "rights" groups and threats anything can happen....

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 02, 2014 04:24 PM (9+ccr)

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It's been written by prophets and others that Christians/Godly people will find themselves standing alone against rabid mobs of the worldly. It's happened before, it'll happen again.

I pray for strength.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 12:37 PM (MzhHs)

109 Atheist's are the biggest religious zealots of them all.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 12:37 PM (bitz6)

110 Without conservatives, America would be the Occupy movement: rapes and up-twinkles, and shit everywhere.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 12:37 PM (MVGKx)

111 So another reason why the pro-gay-marriage crowd are attacking people like Eich with such absolutely berserk, irrational ferocity is this:

Consider Commiefornia's Prop 8, the anti-gay-marriage initiative approved by CA voters and later nullified by a gay federal judge.

One of the key factors in putting Prop 8 over the top was the black church vote. Which supported 8 by enormous margins.

Except... the institutional left simply CAN'T GO AFTER those black voters in a confrontational, accusatory way. That would be a disaster for them. Those blacks are a key leftist voting bloc when they're not occasionally supporting things like Prop 8.

So since there are fewer politically and ethnically approved targets available, it means that the total available vitriol has to be superconcentrated upon acceptable white targets such as Eich. Nuke the whole site from orbit.

FYI, I voted against 8. My longstanding position is that marriage is an inherently conservative institution, and encouraging more people towards conservative institutions is all right by me. I also take a pretty expansive view of the 14th Amendment equal-protection clause.

But, these endless pink-hued witch hunts are really putting the point across that by casting that vote on principle, I really did climb into bed politically with some very very unpleasant folks on the left.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 12:37 PM (noWW6)

112 Lest we forget the hyperventilating from Le Partie Official over Ken Cuccinelli.
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Amnesty, gay marriage, and higher taxes. If it wins for the Democrats why not us too?

Posted by: John Boehner at April 02, 2014 12:37 PM (78TbK)

113 You did not merely express a personal view on same-sex marriage; you attempted to persuade others to support your point of view

Attempting to persuade others to support your point of view is an OUTRAGE! Therefore as your punishment, you must Say that you will not only support employees in the United States who are in same-sex marriages, but that you will also fight for the civil rights of Mozilla employees who work in societies with less progressive views.

ie. persuade others to your new, correct according to the gay mafia, point of view.

Cheese and fucking rice, these people. They won't be happy until they've either shamed us all into accepting their bullshit or killed us.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 12:37 PM (GrtrJ)

114 ot If this is true... Report: EPA tested deadly pollutants on humans to push Obama adminÂ’s agenda The agency conducted tests on people with health issues and the elderly, exposing them to high levels of potentially lethal pollutants, without disclosing the risks of cancer and death, according to a newly released government report. this is a pandora's box for the Dems dailycaller

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Paris St-Germain( 3 ) v Chelsea( 1 ) Final booo at April 02, 2014 12:38 PM (IXrOn)

115 I like Eich?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 04:36 PM (ZshNr)

Hey! He keeps the interwebs running!

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2014 12:38 PM (NpXoL)

116 At that point, there's nothing left to lose. We have "three generations rule" for reason, running dog.

Posted by: Kim Jong Un, Dictator for Life and National Tonsorial Paradigm at April 02, 2014 12:38 PM (8ZskC)

117 Say something against the Atheist Prophet Darwin on You Tube.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 12:38 PM (bitz6)

118 104 eleven at April 02, 2014 04:36 PM (fsLdt)

Not if we group together in a counter mob....

THAT is where we fail.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 12:38 PM (TE35l)

119 51 Gay marriage is primarily a proxy to attack Christians for daring to have a moral compass independent of the media-government complex.... Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2014 04:27 PM (78TbK) ----------------------------- Caesar is a jealous god.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 02, 2014 12:38 PM (dfYL9)

120 What the rest of the Country and even most of California doesn't seem to understand is Gays here have all the rights of married people already. There's only one thing they don't have, and that's a marriage license.

Of course, it's no concern that the license stopped saying "Husband and Wife" and started reading "Party One and Party Two". Nice.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 12:39 PM (pgQxn)

121 13 If someone disagrees with you today you are to be destroyed, annihilated, burned at the stake and vaporized. What ever happened to abiding other people's positions and having debates rather than this scorched earth policy on both the right and the leftÂ…. Posted by: IrishEd at April 02, 2014 04:19 PM (D0NZx) Look at the shitstorm Kobe Bryant stirred up by not jumping on the St. Trayvon Martin bandwagon. Liberals do not believe in diversity of thought. Not on gay marriage, not on global warming, not on anything connected with race, not on abortion. Elitist white folks like Bill Maher, Jahneeen Gaaarofolo, and GLAAD have set themselves up as arbiters of what thoughts are allowable. Sadly black folks won't smack down Bill Maher and Genean Gahrafallo on their paternalism.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 02, 2014 12:39 PM (dPc6Y)

122 The left really hates it when you take from the government the power to regulate speech.

Posted by: SH at April 02, 2014 12:39 PM (gmeXX)

123 No one was burned at the stake at Salem, or (generally) in England.

I have a direct relative who was burned at the stake in England for being a Protestant Minister. I'd have to get back to you with details, but it's true.

I also have a relative who was scalped alive by Native Americans. She was pretending to be dead after they shot her husband dead and brained her baby against a rock.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 12:39 PM (J79eW)

124 this is a pandora's box for the Dems dailycaller Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sounds like a local story.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 12:39 PM (LSJmV)

125
No. Any political donation above either $200 or $250 has to be reported to the government quarterly - and is then made public. HuffPo dedicates a portion of their site to tracking political donations.
Posted by: Muad'dib

That's for donations to candidates and bundlers. Don't think individual issue group donations get disclosed at the Federal level.

At the state level, there was a lawsuit in California to keep the donor list for Prop. 8 private for just this reason.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 12:40 PM (kdS6q)

126 I don't believe in Atheism.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 12:40 PM (bitz6)

127 59 This is straight out of the Bolshevik's playbook. Pure fucking soviet denunciation.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 02, 2014 04:28 PM (bFFNE)

++++

With the whole demand for self-denunciation, my first thought was of the Maoists, but perhaps that is because I recently watched "The Last Emperor".

Posted by: The Left at April 02, 2014 12:40 PM (IN7k+)

128 OKCupid redirected Firefox users to a page telling them that they should use a different browser since Eich is so evil. It may have been a short-lived thing because I checked earlier with Firefox, and the page is back to normal. Mozilla did issue a statement saying that OKCupid didn't bother to contact them and get any facts first.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at April 02, 2014 12:40 PM (zT0DN)

129 He should be asking for their resignation. If I were to bad mouth -publicly- my CEO, my job security would become somewhat problematic.

Posted by: physics geek at April 02, 2014 04:36 PM (MT22W)

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Problematic? My job security would become non-existant.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 12:40 PM (MzhHs)

130 They isolate and demonize. If you stand up you're on your own against the mob. Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2014 04:36 PM (fsLdt) That's how ignorant people act when they don't want to hear opinions that differ from their own.

Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2014 12:40 PM (u2a4R)

131

Report: EPA tested deadly pollutants on humans

Not surprised. The EPA hates capitalists especially, but all humans in general.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2014 12:40 PM (eoeps)

132 /sock

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 02, 2014 12:41 PM (IN7k+)

133 It may have been a short-lived thing because I checked earlier with Firefox, and the page is back to normal. If you clear out your cache it will probably come back.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 12:41 PM (MVGKx)

134

@52 They said, "Oh, that. None of us took it seriously. We all knew he was lying about that in order to get elected."

So, yeah, the progtards have already internalized the spin on this one.

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They'd already internalized it back when he said it. Everyone who deeply cared about the issue was already convinced it was a "wink, nod" comment meant to placate those who weren't as heavily invested, but still considered it to be important.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2014 12:41 PM (UWFpX)

135 108 It's been written by prophets and others that Christians/Godly people will find themselves standing alone against rabid mobs of the worldly. It's happened before, it'll happen again. I pray for strength. Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 04:37 PM (MzhHs) Don't forget to stockpile ammo.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 12:41 PM (mx5oN)

136 99 #18 - rd - You were doing so well. No one was burned at the stake at Salem, or (generally) in England. The score at Salem was 19 hanged, one pressed, and approximately 200 died of disease awaiting trial. --- I'm surprised it wasn't more than that who died of various manners. Fuckers would take all lands and property from your families if you were found guilty, either through admission or through their kangaroo courts.

Posted by: Zombie Giles Corey at April 02, 2014 12:41 PM (APuJ7)

137 in a just world, they would be fired

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 12:42 PM (zOTsN)

138 We have "three generations rule" for reason, running dog. I have no kids shorty.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 12:42 PM (ix+5k)

139

So a contribution to a particular political party would be grounds for calling for the resignation of a CEO?

Posted by: polynikes at April 02, 2014 12:42 PM (m2CN7)

140 Marriage is a rite, not a right. Deal with it.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 12:42 PM (LSJmV)

141 what assholes these lefties are.

Posted by: MTF at April 02, 2014 12:42 PM (LISuA)

142 Does Gibson still own that island he bought? He was way ahead of us.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 12:42 PM (IXrOn)

143 one pressed
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That guy was a bad ass IIRC..."You need more rocks"

Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2014 12:42 PM (78TbK)

144

I don't believe in Atheism.

Processing......

Posted by: NOMAD at April 02, 2014 12:43 PM (fsLdt)

145 I pray for strength. Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 04:37 PM (MzhHs) Don't forget to stockpile ammo. Posted by: Insomniac Praise the Lord & pass the ammo!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 12:43 PM (ix+5k)

146 soon, execution will be demanded if our haircuts don't exactly mirror those of our (moral) superiors.

Posted by: MTF at April 02, 2014 12:43 PM (LISuA)

147 Mmmm. Hate chicken sammich.

Posted by: dogfish at April 02, 2014 12:44 PM (nsOJa)

148 Speaking of religious fervor....I think Reid got a heads up on the Supreme court ruling last week so wnet all Koch-y-eyed to put the name on the radar so that the lib twitterverse today can go ape sh*# today and the rest of them can know what they are talking abloout. Presto - off year election Boogeyman (men). Is it illegal to get a heads up on the Supreme rulings?

Posted by: MacGootbone at April 02, 2014 12:44 PM (t4bIp)

149 Well, I guess telling the social cons to chill out so we could focus on more important issues didn't work out so good.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 02, 2014 12:44 PM (C+qQ0)

150 The StinkFuhrer has spoken.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 02, 2014 12:44 PM (zllbf)

151 Did serfs have the same haircuts as the nobility?

Oh, you've be told how you can have your hair...but you won't be able to get the Aniston or the Johnny Plugs...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2014 12:44 PM (78TbK)

152 Marriage is a rite, not a right. Deal with it.

Very confusing when chanted aloud.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 12:44 PM (J79eW)

153

It's kinda Lord of the Flies, isn't it?

Posted by: Erik L at April 02, 2014 12:44 PM (RYQAM)

154 146 soon, execution will be demanded if our haircuts don't exactly mirror those of our (moral) superiors. --- I'm expecting something out of the Killing Fields of Cambodia. Anyone who actually knows anything about economics, medicine, or anything else which isn't part of the Word Of The Lord Barack will likely be re-educated.

Posted by: Zombie Haing S. Ngor at April 02, 2014 12:44 PM (APuJ7)

155 149 Well, I guess telling the social cons to chill out so we could focus on more important issues didn't work out so good. We won the presidency and got the debt under control.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 12:45 PM (MVGKx)

156 Speaking of mobs, I just recently saw the Oxbow Incident with Henry Fonda on TV. Always saw the book on my father's bookshelf but never read it. No happy ending in that story.

Posted by: polynikes at April 02, 2014 12:45 PM (m2CN7)

157 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 02, 2014 04:33 PM (dfYL9) Dunno where the line is, but this is clearly past it, IMHO. It doesn't make what the left is doing correct though I might add, they aren't trying to convince, they're trying to ostracize.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 12:45 PM (HDwDg)

158 152 Marriage is a rite, not a right. Deal with it. Very confusing when chanted aloud. Posted by: bonhomme at April 02, 2014 04:44 PM (J79eW) Homophones!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 12:45 PM (mx5oN)

159 126 I don't believe in Atheism. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:40 PM (bitz6 I just deleted a long screed regarding atheism, survival of the fittest, etc. Figured if I was going to get banhammered it would be on an ONT. I'm so fucking tired of the double standards, hypocrisy, the failure of understanding Math. I just want to be left alone. I want to do my job, my hobbies, etc. Leave me alone. I

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 12:45 PM (HVff2)

160 Well, I guess telling the social cons to chill out so we could focus on more important issues didn't work out so good.
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Now if we can just get you fin cons to chill on taxes and spending, and the border hawks to STFU I think we'll be in pretty good shape.

Posted by: John Boehner at April 02, 2014 12:45 PM (78TbK)

161 I neither believe, nor disbelieve in agnosticism.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 02, 2014 12:46 PM (32Ze2)

162 "I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought." Square that with the fact that atheism itself is just yet another faith-based religion.

Posted by: random thought generator at April 02, 2014 12:46 PM (GIXMb)

163

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 04:36 PM (DV/Ik)

Didn't they cage a few and throw them into the river? I thought that was a common test to see if someone was a witch (those who survived being the guilty ones of course).

Posted by: MTF at April 02, 2014 12:46 PM (LISuA)

164 Even if he's not going to fire them, which would presumably get everyone all riled up against the entire company, he should at least make sure all of them are notified that they're to appear in some obscure outbuilding conference room on Monday. Make them sweat their neuticles off wondering if they're going to be canned, sued, berated, etc. and then just "postpone" the meeting at the last minute, and let them sweat it out for the rest of their careers.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 12:46 PM (ZshNr)

165 I really enjoyed the part about being able to have different beliefs as long as I don't share them with anyone else or try to change anyone's mind. We can't have anyone knowing there's different ways of thinking out there.

Posted by: Brenden at April 02, 2014 12:46 PM (wa+SP)

166 "I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought." I think everybody using Cartesian math to prove anything may disagree with you.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 02, 2014 12:46 PM (5xmd7)

167 You know, I never thought gay marriage would be the thing that brings a fascist frenzy to the United States. Who knew? I mean, even Harvey Milk was (vehemently) against it.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2014 12:46 PM (T0NGe)

168

>>I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought.

Not religious at all, but I agree with religionists that religion is an education in itself.

Posted by: Bigby's Rodeo Hands at April 02, 2014 12:46 PM (3ZtZW)

169 I betcha Google Chrome people are behind this... the funny thing is.. those dopes at Mozilla are going to be out of a job! Hahahahahhaha

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 02, 2014 12:47 PM (Z7PrM)

170 Back to the cheese.

Posted by: Some sad Frenchman at April 02, 2014 12:47 PM (eJVn4)

171

@ 166 - ""I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought.""

"I think everybody using Cartesian math to prove anything may disagree with you."

What's more, as the past few years are showing us, atheism itself seems to be a serious impediment to clear thought.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at April 02, 2014 12:47 PM (YYJjz)

172

Oh. And:

Eich? Man...

Posted by: Bigby's Rodeo Hands at April 02, 2014 12:48 PM (3ZtZW)

173
This is worse than the Gaystapo..... these are AssAss tactics.....

***rimshot

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2014 12:48 PM (nELVU)

174 I mean, even Harvey Milk was (vehemently) against it. It's about mockery, not equality.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 12:48 PM (MVGKx)

175 Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 02, 2014 04:46 PM (5xmd7) Blaise Pascal also sorta proves this to be...wrong.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 12:48 PM (HDwDg)

176 Okay 100+ So, OT : Breaking : Voter Fraud in North Carolina. You know..., the place where Holder and the NAACP have filed suit to stop Voter ID: http://tinyurl.com/pljmpby and: http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/04/02/massive-voter-fraud-scandal-erupts-north-carolina

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 12:48 PM (aDwsi)

177

Speaking of religious fervor (take 2).. I think Harry Reid got a heads up on the Supreme Court ruling last week and thus went all Koch-y-eyed to put their name on the radar. Thus when the lib twitterverse went ape shi# today, the rest of the libs now know what they are talking about. Presto - off year election straw men. Is it illegal to get a heads up on a Supreme Court ruling?

Posted by: MacGootbone at April 02, 2014 12:48 PM (t4bIp)

178 Don't forget to stockpile ammo.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 04:41 PM (mx5oN)

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Already done.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 12:48 PM (MzhHs)

179 We were all told this would happen... Keep Calm and Carry On ""But beware of men, for they will hand you over to the courts and scourge you in their synagogues; and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say.Â…"

Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2014 12:48 PM (nCSwS)

180 173 This is worse than the Gaystapo..... these are AssAss tactics..... ***rimshot Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2014 04:48 PM (nELVU) Don't you mean RIMJOB?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 12:48 PM (HVff2)

181 Didn't the Saudis just ban the Atheist Faith?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 12:49 PM (bitz6)

182

I think ace simply meant that line to be a set up to some sarcasm.

::Shrug::.....

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2014 12:49 PM (fsLdt)

183 178 Don't forget to stockpile ammo. Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 04:41 PM (mx5oN) ------------------------------------------- Already done. Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 04:48 PM (MzhHs) Good.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 12:50 PM (mx5oN)

184 Whatcha wanna bet that the tech guy who wrote this screed has a "Coexist" and "NoH8" bumper sticker on the back of his Prius, yet misses the irony.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 12:50 PM (LSJmV)

185 This, this formally great nation will burn in some fashion. Not promoting or espousing but it will burn.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 02, 2014 12:50 PM (/djtm)

186

An atheist, an agnostic and a believer walk into a bar.

The sign inside said all the free beer you can drink.

The atheist said he didn't believe it, the agnostic said its possible but he will believe when he sees it and the believer was on his third beer.

Posted by: polynikes at April 02, 2014 12:50 PM (m2CN7)

187 Liberals want tolerance, and they'll kill anybody who they feel isn't tolerant enough.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 12:51 PM (MVGKx)

188 187 Liberals want tolerance, and they'll kill anybody who they feel isn't tolerant enough. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 04:51 PM (MVGKx) That's about the size of it.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 12:51 PM (mx5oN)

189 You have to build up your tolerance.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 12:52 PM (bitz6)

190 187 Liberals want tolerance, and they'll kill anybody who they feel isn't tolerant enough. --- The Militant Athiests of America - They don't believe in anything and neither do you!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 02, 2014 12:52 PM (APuJ7)

191 182 I think ace simply meant that line to be a set up to some sarcasm. ::Shrug::..... Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2014 04:49 PM (fsLdt That's what I was hoping for. I don't know though after the recent conversations regarding faith/rights/atheists. Oh well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 12:52 PM (HVff2)

192 Last night I stumbled across a militant queer (as he referred to himself) on some NPR station decrying the oppression of LGBTQ community. His organization was Black and Pink It was otherworldy f*cked up This is what they stand for Our goal is liberation. We have a radical view of the fight for justice: We are feminist. We are anti-racist. We want queer liberation. And we are against capitalism. Prisons are part of the system that oppresses and divides us. By building a movement and taking action against this system of violence, we will create the world we dream of.

Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2014 12:52 PM (nCSwS)

193 Hammer bringing it. I fear it does not matter. Not for two plus years anyway.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 02, 2014 12:52 PM (/djtm)

194 OT, but I wanted to share that I got '35 sweet goodbyes' before leaving for work this morning, so the day doesn't totally suck.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 12:52 PM (LSJmV)

195

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 04:36 PM (DV/Ik)

Too much TV and public education. There are so many things I saw and heard that just aren't true.

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 12:53 PM (D+lxs)

196 I still like Mozilla.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 12:53 PM (bitz6)

197 WTF is "queer liberation"?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 12:53 PM (mx5oN)

198 IIRC, Obuttfuck didn't just hold the same position RE gay marriage, his campaign made robocalls in support of Prop 8. This was obviously a cynical, shameless ploy to get out the black vote, but it illustrates what filthy fucking lowlifes these people are.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at April 02, 2014 12:54 PM (KSjsb)

199 Good luck on that? I seem to remember similar statements on some website or another on how, if we could just be sensitive to the position of gays on marriage, that they would realize we were exercising sincere religious beliefs and they wouldn't grind their heel into our neck quite so roughly.

Posted by: ejo at April 02, 2014 12:54 PM (GXvSO)

200 I'm surprised it wasn't more than that who died of various manners.

Fuckers would take all lands and property from your families if you were found guilty, either through admission or through their kangaroo courts. Posted by: Zombie Giles Corey

That argument does not work.

Rebecca Nurse's family lost nothing (I did a paper on this), nor did any other family.

Granted, almost every victim of the Witch Bitches was a woman, whose property would usually consist of the one-third life interest in an estate, but still.

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 12:54 PM (DV/Ik)

201 By building a movement and taking action against this system of violence, we will create the world we dream of.

----

Hey. Asshole.

Whatchagonna do with the people that dont want to live in your new dream world??

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2014 12:54 PM (nELVU)

202

@177 Is it illegal to get a heads up on a Supreme Court ruling?

---------------------------

Probably not. But reportedly it's very difficult to do. The Justices are traditionally very tight-lipped about their rulings. And the interns working for the Justices know that if they'll be in big trouble (fired, of course, and likely find it more difficult to find work afterwards) if they talk. It's generally considered something that Is Just Not Done.

That doesn't mean that Reid (or someone else) doesn't have an inside line. But it's not something that traditionally happens.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2014 12:54 PM (UWFpX)

203 WTF is "queer liberation"? Having sex in public.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 12:54 PM (MVGKx)

204 Prisons are part of the system that oppresses and divides us.
***
In the future, liberals will embrace a policy of "work makes you free" for those guilty of crimes against the state.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2014 12:54 PM (78TbK)

205 WTF is "queer liberation"? -------- It's what used to be called 'Homosexual Liberation'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 12:55 PM (aDwsi)

206 Hey, do have a job or business? Yeah, well then, shut the fuck up with your opinions and shit.

Posted by: The Tolerant Left at April 02, 2014 12:55 PM (ILBCY)

207 143 one pressed
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That guy was a bad ass IIRC..."You need more rocks"
Posted by: 18-1

Actually, Giles Corey's last words: "More weight".

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 12:55 PM (DV/Ik)

208 I still like Mozilla.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:53 PM (bitz6)

I like Mothra better, he always had more range.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2014 12:56 PM (NpXoL)

209 204 Arbeit Macht Frei. I like it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 12:56 PM (bitz6)

210 I look forward to the Mary Cloggenstein commentary. And Dorcas what's-her-name.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 12:56 PM (aDwsi)

211 OBD. WTH? Facts don't matter.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 02, 2014 12:57 PM (/djtm)

212 >I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought. I love it when you talk antitheistic to me! Lump me in with WBC next you sexy beast! Just out of curiosity where do you keep your trash?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 02, 2014 12:57 PM (0q2P7)

213 205 WTF is "queer liberation"? -------- It's what used to be called 'Homosexual Liberation'. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 04:55 PM (aDwsi) Thank you, that was enormously helpful. Illuminating, even.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 12:57 PM (mx5oN)

214 Speaking of religious fervor (take 2).. I think Harry Reid got a heads up on the Supreme Court ruling last week and thus wentall Koch-y-eyed to put their name on the radar. Thus when the lib twitterverse went ape shi# today, the rest of the libs now know what they are talking about. Presto - off year election straw men. Is it illegal to get a heads up on a Supreme Court ruling? Posted by: MacGootbone
............
Naaah.. they've been on the Koch hating bandwagon for some time now.. the Koch Bros. are the devil incarnate over at Daily Kooks and HuffPo.

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 02, 2014 12:57 PM (Z7PrM)

215

Hey, do have a job or business? Yeah, well then, shut the fuck up with your opinions and shit.

It appears they "Went There". And he didn't even express an opinion he donated money.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2014 12:57 PM (fsLdt)

216 Didn't C.S. Lewis cover this in his sermon on the mount?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 12:58 PM (bitz6)

217 205 WTF is "queer liberation"? -------- It's what used to be called 'Homosexual Liberation'. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 04:55 PM (aDwsi I suspect as a straight white dude I can't say "Queer Liberation" I probably have to use "Gay Freedom Fighters"

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 12:58 PM (HVff2)

218 #163 - No.

I adore the legendary quality of what people think.

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 12:58 PM (DV/Ik)

219 "I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought." It's the Atheist Delusion. Marx had it too. It just isn't true. By and large, atheists can become far more superstitious, subject to conspiracy theories and subject to flights of new-agey thinking than those with a grounded theology. Also, religious people don't have to keep rediscovering morality. They have a healthy respect for the past and accumulated knowledge.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2014 12:59 PM (T0NGe)

220 I suspect as a straight white dude I can't say "Queer Liberation" I probably have to use "Gay Freedom Fighters" Freedom from what? Higher than average incomes? Having the support of our state run propaganda organs?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 01:00 PM (mx5oN)

221 When they burned the witches in Salem, did the smoke have that cool, refreshing menthol taste?

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 01:00 PM (LSJmV)

222 Notice what they "stand for" just so happens to be the diametrically opposite of what is quintessentially American.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 01:00 PM (5Kf7w)

223 Last night I stumbled across a militant queer (as he referred to himself) on some NPR station decrying the oppression of LGBTQ community. Gays make 20% more in median income than straights. I wanna get me some of that sweet, sweet oppression.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2014 01:00 PM (T0NGe)

224 Face it, Ace is just anti-gay.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 02, 2014 01:00 PM (kNPCl)

225 >They have a healthy respect for the past and accumulated knowledge. And the God's of the Copybook Headings said, "The Wages of sin is Death"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 02, 2014 01:00 PM (0q2P7)

226 If we could only get past this prejudice people. Then good people like Barney Frank would not suffer just because a male prostitution ring was being run in his apartment.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 01:00 PM (aDwsi)

227 221 When they burned the witches in Salem, did the smoke have that cool, refreshing menthol taste? Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 05:00 PM (LSJmV) *facepalm*

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 01:01 PM (mx5oN)

228 189 You have to build up your tolerance.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (bitz6)

To a fever pitch of hot, angry tolerance apparently.

Posted by: MTF at April 02, 2014 01:01 PM (LISuA)

229 You know, you really should rethink your belief in a foundational principal of civilization that has existed for eons, crossed all cultures and existed in it's current known form in every corner of the globe. From Africa to South America, from Asia to Europe, all of these people who have believed this since the beginning of time are wrong and must be made to atone this ever so grievous sin. That is unless you are a Democrat.

Posted by: Your Morally Preening Betters at April 02, 2014 01:01 PM (UB6eP)

230 People should be calling for the firing of OKCupid's CEO for declaring all devout religious christians his 'enemies.' Fight fire with fire.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 01:01 PM (MVGKx)

231 At that point, there's nothing left to lose. Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 04:35 PM (ix+5k) Right now, what is left to lose? As noted above, schools are fully functioning reeducation camps. Same for universities. Only "correct" speech is still free. The most basic of rights, voting, is a complete fraud in more ways than I care to count. Taxes are now Supreme Court approved methods of enforcing behavior, choices, and purchases. There is absolutely no fiscal reality anymore; just voting ourselves increased credit limits every six months or so. The United States is openly laughed at by Russia, terrorists, and our "allies". So, really, what is left?

Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2014 01:01 PM (j0wOO)

232 Gays make 20% more in median income than straights. I wanna get me some of that sweet, sweet oppression. Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2014 05:00 PM (T0NGe) Be careful for what you wish for my friend.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 01:02 PM (HVff2)

233 What's your problem with Queer Libations, buster?....Oh,...never mind.

Posted by: Elderflower Cocktail at April 02, 2014 01:02 PM (ZshNr)

234
"Our goal is liberation. We have a radical view of the fight for justice: We are feminist. We are anti-racist. We want queer liberation. And we are against capitalism. Prisons are part of the system that oppresses and divides us. By building a movement and taking action against this system of violence, we will create the world we dream of. "
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Man, I just love these clueless fucktards. "I am against capitalism!" In other words, I am against the very thing responsible for every fucking thing in my world, from the food I eat to the roof over my head and every other facet in between. "Oh, and prisons! Because we certainly don't need those."

I would love for someone to toss these asshats in the lifer wing of a major prison for a month and then put's what left of them in a fucking line for bread in Venezuela.

Posted by: B at April 02, 2014 01:02 PM (6iEQd)

235 hey hey hey.... I'm a guy in the tech industry and I believe in tradiational marriage.... As for feminized.... well.... let me just ask my wife and I'll get back to you....

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 02, 2014 01:02 PM (kduZC)

236 Gays make 20% more in median income than straights. I wanna get me some of that sweet, sweet oppression. I looked this up once and I don't think it's true. I think they earn the same overall.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 01:02 PM (MVGKx)

237 the witches in Salem were hanged, not burnt

same in England; only Continental Witches were burnt

Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 01:03 PM (JyjXt)

238 224 Face it, Ace is just anti-gay. Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 02, 2014 05:00 PM (kNPCl) Or maybe Ace is a troll. A new breed of troll that pre-trolls a thread in the original article. Fuck, he's always one step ahead.

Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2014 01:03 PM (u2a4R)

239

"I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought."

It's the Atheist Delusion.

Marx had it too. It just isn't true. By and large, atheists can become far more superstitious, subject to conspiracy theories and subject to flights of new-agey thinking than those with a grounded theology.

Also, religious people don't have to keep rediscovering morality. They have a healthy respect for the past and accumulated knowledge.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2014 04:59 PM (T0NGe)

G.K. Chesterton: "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing Â— they believe in anything."

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 01:03 PM (D+lxs)

240 Ya know what ya see when ya look in Hairy Reids empty fucking eyes? The back of his head.

Posted by: Killerdog at April 02, 2014 01:03 PM (eJVn4)

241 or burned, as you prefer. Probably died from the smoke inhalation ( or so it's been speculated but not field-tested )

Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 01:03 PM (JyjXt)

242 237 - Yes, it was *heretics* which were burned. Which is the case here.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 01:04 PM (aDwsi)

243 Witches were hanged, warlocks were hung.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 01:04 PM (LSJmV)

244 227 221 When they burned the witches in Salem, did the smoke have that cool, refreshing menthol taste?
Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 05:00 PM (LSJmV)

*facepalm* Posted by: Insomniac

I'm still giggling!

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 01:04 PM (DV/Ik)

245 So I said, about having voted against Prop 8, "by casting that vote on principle, I really did climb into bed politically with some very very unpleasant folks on the left."

I should also expand on that to indicate that I was utterly horrified by the way the court challenges to 8 shook out afterward.

We had a gay federal judge toss out the clearly stated will of the CA electorate on a matter specifically involving gays. Even though I was on the side that the judge supported, I thought this was a case where recusal ought to have been self-evident and axiomatic. He had a dog in the fight. This was black-robed radicalism at its worst.

And, we had Commiefornia's elected officials pulling a trick that Obama has since picked up on and polished into a centerpiece of his act: the open refusal to actively defend in court a law that was enacted by completely aboveboard means, and a law that should bind every officeholder. This is the road to what Pournelle calls "anarcho-tyranny".

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 01:05 PM (noWW6)

246 I like Mike Hammer's idea, tie him up & see if he sinks.

Posted by: Carol at April 02, 2014 01:05 PM (gjOCp)

247 You know who burned a shit-ton of Americans? We don't know how many exactly because the shitbirds couldn't count past three, but Elizabeth Warren's noble savage forbears loved them some roasted toddler, with a side of farmer's wife, if they could get it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 01:05 PM (ZshNr)

248 How did they know they were witches?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:05 PM (bitz6)

249 It's would be great to just sit and watch the Democrat run full speed off the Leftist cliff but the Stupid Republicans are moving in tandem towards the ideological Left as well. Thanks to the Republicans, the Democrats in comparison don't look fringe at all.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 01:05 PM (5Kf7w)

250

The sadistic part of me is kinda smiling...

If someone, be it the CEO of a tech company, or father of a CEO of a duck call company, or just the average dude down the street, not sharing your morality bothers you to the point that you won't be able to rest until they are completely and utterly destroyed, then you are going to have a very miserable life.

The leftist thought police are going to be very very miserable, and that makes me all happy inside.

Posted by: Carnivorus Herbavore at April 02, 2014 01:05 PM (h0ygp)

251 Of course it's a religious fervor. By your opposition, you are denying them Heaven (Utopia - translated literally as "no place"). If you were a firm believer that to get into Heaven, everybody had to work together (essentially leftism in a snake oil bottle), and some people refused to work with you, they would be denying you access to Heaven. Kulaks denied them entry into Heaven. Ukranian farmers denied them access to Heaven. Jews and Slavs, the middle class, Chinese and Cambodian intellectuals, etc. Two hundred and fifty years of slaughter and they're still finding people to deny them entrance to Heaven. I don't believe for a second this stops with condemnation and shrill denunciation - it never has before. And they're already sending their death wishes and threats to CAGW skeptics, Trayvon skeptics, Obamacare skeptics, etc. Sure, it's fringe actors... then again, the fringe actors from 20-30 years ago are in charge now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 01:06 PM (qyfb5)

252 Ya know what ya see when ya look in Hairy Reids empty fucking eyes? Doll eyes.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 01:06 PM (ix+5k)

253 Leftists just really, really enjoy wearing their stompy boots. That is all this is about. They are in the ascendency and what good is that sort of power if you can't use it?

Besides, how can you stomp out heresies without a good pair of stompy boots?

Posted by: Thatch at April 02, 2014 01:06 PM (qYvEa)

254 Freedom from what? Higher than average incomes? Having the support of our state run propaganda organs?

It's all about the free shit.
http://is.gd/iNRwoU

Posted by: HR at April 02, 2014 01:06 PM (ZKzrr)

255 236 Gays make 20% more in median income than straights. I wanna get me some of that sweet, sweet oppression. I looked this up once and I don't think it's true. I think they earn the same overall. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2014 05:02 PM (MVGKx) I'm referring to a study done by Prudential. The median income for gays they quoted was $60K. The median overall that they compared it to is $50K. This was also household income, not individual income.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2014 01:06 PM (T0NGe)

256 237 the witches in Salem were hanged, not burnt

same in England; only Continental Witches were burnt
Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts )

And in Scotland.

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 01:06 PM (DV/Ik)

257 people are hanged; curtains are hung

( curtains with really really big dicks )

Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 01:07 PM (JyjXt)

258 Our benevolent gubmint. WZ: The agency conducted tests on people with health issues and the elderly, exposing them to high levels of potentially lethal pollutants, without disclosing the risks of cancer and death, according to a newly released government report. These experiments exposed people, including those with asthma and heart problems, to dangerously high levels of toxic pollutants, including diesel fumes, reads a EPA inspector general report obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation. The EPA also exposed people with health issues to levels of pollutants up to 50 times Sweet.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 01:07 PM (HVff2)

259 warlocks were hung. Man! Were they ever! //The Witches

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 01:07 PM (ix+5k)

260

You know...if they didn't want to get burned they shouldn't have been witches.

Just sayin.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2014 01:07 PM (fsLdt)

261 The leftist thought police are going to be very very miserable, and that makes me all happy inside. Posted by: Carnivorus Herbavore at April 02, 2014 05:05 PM (h0ygp) fnord (h0ygp) The problem with your hypothesis is that being miserable gives them a boner. That's why they do it over *everything*. In some perverse way, it makes them happier than being happy does. I mean, seriously, when was a leftist regime every *happy and contented* after a purge?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 01:08 PM (qyfb5)

262 Scotland has always been a special case--even for Common Law, which comes and goes there

Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 01:08 PM (JyjXt)

263 There's room at the DMV for you......

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:08 PM (bitz6)

264 "How did they know they were witches?" Pointy hats, black cats, they got around on broomsticks. It was a dead giveaway.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 01:08 PM (gOoFi)

265 262 Scotland has always been a special case--even for Common Law, which comes and goes there --- Not proven by evidence shown.

Posted by: Zombie Arlen Specter at April 02, 2014 01:08 PM (APuJ7)

266 Speaking of heresy ...

Former CIA deputy director Mike Morell testified Wednesday that the spy agency knew almost immediately that al-Qaeda-linked terrorists had been involved in the 2012 Benghazi attacks that killed four Americans, seemingly contradicting a widely-cited New York Times report published last year.

Â“The analysts said from the get-go that al-Qaeda was involved in this attack,Â” Morell said during a hearing on Capitol Hill before the House Intelligence Committee.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 02, 2014 01:09 PM (e8kgV)

267 It wasn't about witchcraft. It was about not conforming to other people's way of life. Just.Like.Today.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 01:09 PM (5Kf7w)

268 Of course, the straight up burnings alive were in the early years. By the 18th and 19th century, bands of merry hunter-gatherers would tie a white man, or an entire family, to a post, and shoot them over and over again, at close range, with just the powder charge, no projectile. Could get a whole 24 hours of fun out of the toughest ones.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 01:09 PM (ZshNr)

269 248 How did they know they were witches? Posted by: Boss Moss

"How long have you been a witch, and who made you a witch? Name those you have made witches. Who did you see at your meetings?"

"See these instruments? This is the thumbscrew. We will place it on your thumb and turn it. If we keep turning the screw, your thumb will be crushed. The nail will fall off, the blood will burst through your skin, and the marrow will run out. We would hate to use this on you. Please answer the questions. How long have you been a witch...."

That's how.

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 01:10 PM (DV/Ik)

270 This was also household income, not individual income.

That's the War on Womynz, not Teh Ghey. Moms work less (and more likely at lower-paying jobs) than men; there is nothing interesting in the observation that households with two full-time earners average more income than a household with 1.5 or fewer full-timer earners.

Posted by: HR at April 02, 2014 01:11 PM (ZKzrr)

271

WTF is "queer liberation"?

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A wide stance.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 01:11 PM (MzhHs)

272 269 248 How did they know they were witches? Posted by: Boss Moss "How long have you been a witch, and who made you a witch? Name those you have made witches. Who did you see at your meetings?" "See these instruments? This is the thumbscrew. We will place it on your thumb and turn it. If we keep turning the screw, your thumb will be crushed. The nail will fall off, the blood will burst through your skin, and the marrow will run out. We would hate to use this on you. Please answer the questions. How long have you been a witch...." That's how. --- Madam, you are currently on trial for bitchcraft. How do you plead?

Posted by: Deputy Governor Danforth at April 02, 2014 01:12 PM (APuJ7)

273 248 How did they know they were witches? Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 05:05 PM (bitz6) They hired Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 01:12 PM (mx5oN)

274 Good article, Ace. I encourage you (once again) to send it to Eich. How can other people support the CEO of Mozilla? I expect at some point the Gaystopo tp be burning down churches opposed to gay marriage. After all, they're already flinging poop on Christian parents in Germany

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2014 01:12 PM (XyM/Y)

275 Madam, you are currently on trial for bitchcraft. How do you plead? Posted by: Deputy Governor Danforth

Oh, guilty as charged, your worship!

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 01:13 PM (DV/Ik)

276 274 After all, they're already flinging poop on Christian parents in Germany Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2014 05:12 PM (XyM/Y) No shit?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 01:13 PM (mx5oN)

277 By building a movement and taking action against this system of violence, we will create the world we dream of. Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (nCSwS) fnord (nCSwS) And when that world doesn't match their expectations, they will kill Kulaks until it does, gosh darn it! Just like the Russians and the French and the Chinese and the Vietnamese and the North Koreans and the Cubans and the Nicaraguans and the Venezuelans and Eastern Europe and most of Africa and... ...and most importantly, never, ever learn.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 01:13 PM (qyfb5)

278

Madam, you are currently on trial for bitchcraft. How do you plead?

Umm......how do you feel about bitches?

Posted by: Bitch at April 02, 2014 01:13 PM (fsLdt)

279 The queer shit is just the warm-up act. The real casting-out party will begin with the Climate Hope And Change mania.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 01:14 PM (5Kf7w)

280 278 Madam, you are currently on trial for bitchcraft. How do you plead? Umm......how do you feel about bitches? Posted by: Bitch at April 02, 2014 05:13 PM (fsLdt) What do you ~~burn~~ slap beside from bitches? More bitches!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 01:14 PM (mx5oN)

281 94 This is another one of these experiments I would love to conduct. Divide the country in half. Libtards on one side. Constitutional conservatives on the other. Big wall of China dealio in the center. At age 21, you can choose where to live. One time only. Come back in one hundred years How much you want to bet the conservative side is prosperous and happy- and the libtard side is basically North Korea with trannies. Posted by: naturalfake at April 02, 2014 04:35 PM (0cMkb) Been there, done that. Check the record.

Posted by: Constantine The Great at April 02, 2014 01:14 PM (jfUIE)

282

No shit?

No, shit.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2014 01:14 PM (fsLdt)

283 I can't see some pictures on certain older web sites in Mozilla.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:15 PM (bitz6)

284 We took the wrong step years ago.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC opening for Hawkwind at April 02, 2014 01:15 PM (yNSNw)

285

Maybe the assholes getting all over Eich can go right up the street and save some of the kids currently being molested by members of the San Fran goernment.

But NOOOOOoooooo....that would be too fucking much to ask, wouldn't it.

I am astounded how gay everything is demanded to be, all the time, at every moment.

Fuck that noise.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 02, 2014 01:15 PM (xggaJ)

286 Looks like the momma bald eagle is rocking her new baby and telling him that if he eats all his rodents that he can grow up to be big and strong, and maybe one day be part of the opening ceremonies of the World Series. http://tinyurl.com/mxojfft

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 01:16 PM (LSJmV)

287 282 No shit? No, shit. Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2014 05:14 PM (fsLdt) Sherlock? Sorry, couldn't hep myself

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 01:16 PM (HVff2)

288 Fortunately, there is no slippery slope. It was in all the papers.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 01:16 PM (ZshNr)

289 In a study released early Wednesday, the Massachusetts-based Partnership for Policy Integrity said wood-fired plants are not as clean as advocates claim, putting more carbon dioxide and other pollutants into the atmosphere than coal or natural-gas plants when judged on the ratio of pollution to energy produced.

For example, biomass plants emit nearly 50 percent more carbon dioxide Â— a gas that is used by plants which will cause the extinction of all life on Earth Â— per megawatt hour of electricity produced than coal plants, the study concluded.

Posted by: Rachel Carson at April 02, 2014 01:16 PM (e8kgV)

290 The problem with your hypothesis is that being miserable gives them a boner.

That's why they do it over *everything*.

In some perverse way, it makes them happier than being happy does.

I mean, seriously, when was a leftist regime every *happy and contented* after a purge?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 02, 2014 05:08 PM (qyfb5)

---------------------------------------------

They find happiness in the destruction of happiness. They wallow in delicious misery.

And when they find they have no control over what makes people happy (like spiritual happiness), that's when the killing starts.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 01:17 PM (MzhHs)

291 From our intellectual betters.

<<But POTUS says if GOP policies were deli food, they'd be a "stinkburger" or a "meanwich.">>

http://tinyurl.com/lvez4r9

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 02, 2014 01:17 PM (tf9Ne)

292

Wait, wait!!

Down tools everyone. It's time for our afternoon two minutes of hate. Hairy Reid just issued a statement about the evil Koch (Emmanuel Goldstein) Brothers.

Just like Mitt Romney it seems they hate poor people so much they don't pay taxes. Yes, this has been totally discredited but it's Senator Harry Reid (D-Pederasty) who is making the claim now so it probably is true.

http://tws.io/1iis7l9

Posted by: MTF at April 02, 2014 01:17 PM (LISuA)

293 The real casting-out party will begin with the Climate Hope And Change mania. Will?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 02, 2014 01:17 PM (yNSNw)

294 289 In a study released early Wednesday, the Massachusetts-based Partnership for Policy Integrity said wood-fired plants are not as clean as advocates claim, putting more carbon dioxide and other pollutants into the atmosphere than coal or natural-gas plants when judged on the ratio of pollution to energy produced. They should switch to dead babies.

Posted by: National Health Service at April 02, 2014 01:17 PM (mx5oN)

295 For example, biomass plants emit nearly 50 percent more carbon dioxide Â— a gas that is used by plants which will cause the extinction of all life on Earth Â— per megawatt hour of electricity produced than coal plants, the study concluded.

Carbon dioxide is only bad if it comes from plants that died 300M years ago.

Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 02, 2014 01:18 PM (ZKzrr)

296 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 04:26 PM (HDwDg) Yes, Geekdom has gone off the chain crazy on this stuff. My hubby worked in the video game industry about 17 years ago and he's kept up with the industry media offerings since. He's been telling me for a good year about how nuts people in the industry have become. He was just telling me last night about an article he just read, the first three quarters of which is a screed about how terrible, no-good, and awful E3 is because of all the misogyny and that the ladies who attend are all assumed to be booth babes and have to fight dudes off of them, etc and so forth. Then the last half of the article is the author, who is a male-to-female tranny, bitching because he or she or whatever is the only "woman" there who apparently isn't getting constantly hit on and that makes this person have a sad and hurts their self-esteem, etc. It's baffling, to say the least. I've also noticed a lot of this crap in the arena of literature. Can't read anything anymore that doesn't have some kind of alternate-lifestyle agenda character shoved in it. I don't mind when it's something that comes organically from the story itself. But 99% of the time it's obviously a token thrown in to check off the diversity box and it breaks the universe, IMO.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2014 01:18 PM (qFpRI)

297 MA already has an Environmental Police force.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 01:18 PM (5Kf7w)

298 Hopefully this is all a smokescreen to divert attention from the real problem: Shockwave Flash doesn't work with Firefox.

Posted by: PJ at April 02, 2014 01:18 PM (ZWaLo)

299 Fossil Fuels are organic and created by nature. Oil companies are merely harvesting natures rich bounty.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:19 PM (bitz6)

300 In England they burn fags.

Posted by: polynikes at April 02, 2014 01:20 PM (m2CN7)

301 >Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 05:10 PM (DV/Ik) At Salem? I don't think so. There were a number of serious, and others laughable (if not so serious the result) methods used to prove guilt. But outright torture of the accused? I don't think so. I do think they pressed someone (squished with increasing weights) until they entered a plea to the charges. But that would have been done for any serious charge.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 02, 2014 01:20 PM (0q2P7)

302 From Abraham Lincoln's Cooper Union speech, 1860:

The question recurs, what will satisfy them? Simply this: We must not only let them alone, but we must somehow, convince them that we do let them alone. This, we know by experience, is no easy task. We have been so trying to convince them from the very beginning of our organization, but with no success. In all our platforms and speeches we have constantly protested our purpose to let them alone; but this has had no tendency to convince them. Alike unavailing to convince them, is the fact that they have never detected a man of us in any attempt to disturb them.

These natural, and apparently adequate means all failing, what will convince them? This, and this only: cease to call slavery wrong, and join them in calling it right. And this must be done thoroughly - done in acts as well as in words. Silence will not be tolerated - we must place ourselves avowedly with them. Senator Douglas' new sedition law must be enacted and enforced, suppressing all declarations that slavery is wrong, whether made in politics, in presses, in pulpits, or in private. We must arrest and return their fugitive slaves with greedy pleasure. We must pull down our Free State constitutions. The whole atmosphere must be disinfected from all taint of opposition to slavery, before they will cease to believe that all their troubles proceed from us.

I am quite aware they do not state their case precisely in this way. Most of them would probably say to us, "Let us alone, do nothing to us, and say what you please about slavery." But we do let them alone - have never disturbed them - so that, after all, it is what we say, which dissatisfies them. They will continue to accuse us of doing, until we cease saying.

I am also aware they have not, as yet, in terms, demanded the overthrow of our Free-State Constitutions. Yet those Constitutions declare the wrong of slavery, with more solemn emphasis, than do all other sayings against it; and when all these other sayings shall have been silenced, the overthrow of these Constitutions will be demanded, and nothing be left to resist the demand. It is nothing to the contrary, that they do not demand the whole of this just now. Demanding what they do, and for the reason they do, they can voluntarily stop nowhere short of this consummation. Holding, as they do, that slavery is morally right, and socially elevating, they cannot cease to demand a full national recognition of it, as a legal right, and a social blessing.

Nor can we justifiably withhold this, on any ground save our conviction that slavery is wrong. If slavery is right, all words, acts, laws, and constitutions against it, are themselves wrong, and should be silenced, and swept away. If it is right, we cannot justly object to its nationality - its universality; if it is wrong, they cannot justly insist upon its extension - its enlargement. All they ask, we could readily grant, if we thought slavery right; all we ask, they could as readily grant, if they thought it wrong. Their thinking it right, and our thinking it wrong, is the precise fact upon which depends the whole controversy. Thinking it right, as they do, they are not to blame for desiring its full recognition, as being right; but, thinking it wrong, as we do, can we yield to them? Can we cast our votes with their view, and against our own? In view of our moral, social, and political responsibilities, can we do this?

Wrong as we think slavery is, we can yet afford to let it alone where it is, because that much is due to the necessity arising from its actual presence in the nation; but can we, while our votes will prevent it, allow it to spread into the National Territories, and to overrun us here in these Free States? If our sense of duty forbids this, then let us stand by our duty, fearlessly and effectively. Let us be diverted by none of those sophistical contrivances wherewith we are so industriously plied and belabored - contrivances such as groping for some middle ground between the right and the wrong, vain as the search for a man who should be neither a living man nor a dead man - such as a policy of "don't care" on a question about which all true men do care - such as Union appeals beseeching true Union men to yield to Disunionists, reversing the divine rule, and calling, not the sinners, but the righteous to repentance - such as invocations to Washington, imploring men to unsay what Washington said, and undo what Washington did.

Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the Government nor of dungeons to ourselves. LET US HAVE FAITH THAT RIGHT MAKES MIGHT, AND IN THAT FAITH, LET US, TO THE END, DARE TO DO OUR DUTY AS WE UNDERSTAND IT.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 02, 2014 01:20 PM (MOIp+)

303 "In England they burn fags. " That's meanie, meanie, hatey, hatey.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 01:21 PM (gOoFi)

304 And when they find they have no control over what makes people happy (like spiritual happiness), that's when the killing starts. They best be careful what they wish for.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 01:21 PM (ix+5k)

305 Yes, Geekdom has gone off the chain crazy on this stuff. Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2014 05:18 PM (qFpRI) fnord (qFpRI) Started a long time ago. I remember when slashdot was invaded by the Angry Lefty Brigades. Wired mag was already there. Pretty much if there *is* a group of people who are not leftist, leftists *have* to move in and try to take over. It's in their philosophical DNA. Because Kulaks keep you out of Heaven.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 01:21 PM (qyfb5)

306 I know the "no shit" was a joke ;^) but here's an article on the radical gays in Germany. http://tinyurl.com/kwzot7q

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2014 01:22 PM (XyM/Y)

307 Atheistically, all of existence is a struggle for status, and the fundamental privilege that status facilitates, which is a harem.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:24 PM (9W+0f)

308 You know, a bunch of us say that at some point there will be pushback, but tbh, something in that Cracked article on 6 Unexpected Things I Learned Fighting the Nazis (or something like that) was the Resistance survivor noting how daily life just goes on even in what we would consider End Times circumstances....

I think that is what we'll actually see, rather than some revolutionary pushback.

Posted by: [/i]KG at April 02, 2014 01:24 PM (p7BzH)

309 306 I know the "no shit" was a joke ;^) but here's an article on the radical gays in Germany. http://tinyurl.com/kwzot7q Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2014 05:22 PM (XyM/Y) Utterly vile. But it's the Christians who are the "haters."

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 01:24 PM (mx5oN)

310 Religion can be a serious impediment to rational thought, but ironically its main function is to increase rational thought. One of Jung's observations was that magical thinking is endemic to mankind, such as primitive tribal beliefs that sorcerers were responsible for every ill that befell a member of the tribe. Someone gets eaten by a crocodile? A sorcerer commanded it, because crocodiles don't eat people of their own accord. They believe that, that's how they see the world, it's taken on faith much the same way that the earth goes around the sun for us.

Formal religion's purpose was to take that magical thinking and compartmentalize it, and once people stumbled onto it, with organized priesthoods stamping out primitive beliefs, they were able to use a lot more of their formerly-distracted gray matter for other tasks, which saw the rise of early civilizations. The more that man embraced reason and built a fence around religion in his mind, the further those civilizations rose.

But something strange happens when you try to tear down that fence and exterminate that last germ of religious thought. The magical thinking, once ordered and contained, begins to return. Suddenly the world is full of banksters, Koch Brothers, the 1%, Rothschilds, Reptilians, or Sorcerers once again.

Posted by: Cato at April 02, 2014 01:25 PM (4cRuH)

311 And that is pretty much how Atheists function. So Science is mostly correct. Atheists are vicious, soulless animals always looking for an excuse to inflict pain and suffering on others. Because p*ssy. Or anus. Because Progress.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:26 PM (9W+0f)

312

@255 I'm referring to a study done by Prudential.

The median income for gays they quoted was $60K. The median overall that they compared it to is $50K.

This was also household income, not individual income.

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Do you know if the study had a category for childless straight couples? I suspect that might have had something to do with it.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2014 01:27 PM (UWFpX)

313 I think that is what we'll actually see, rather than some revolutionary pushback.

Posted by: KG at April 02, 2014 05:24 PM (p7BzH)

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I do too. As long as people are warm in the winter, cool in the summer, and are able to cook their fancy food recipes, they'll go along like lemmings. The excuses for not fighting back will be as numerous as the laws that bind them.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 01:28 PM (MzhHs)

314 Given the manner in which cognitive ability is distributed, 90% of the members of a group will be stupider than the cognitive top 10%. And therefore, consensuses reached in an egalitarian manner will tend to be imbecilic.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:29 PM (9W+0f)

315 Yes, it's a religious like devotion. I am reminded of some Greek drama by Eurpides about the Furies I read in college. From Wiki: Their name literally translates as "raving ones". Often the maenads were portrayed as inspired by Dionysus into a state of ecstatic frenzy, through a combination of dancing and intoxication.[1] During these rites, the maenads would dress in fawn skins and carry a thyrsus, a long stick wrapped in ivy or vine leaves and tipped with a pinecone; they would weave ivy-wreaths around their heads or wear a bull helmet in honor of their god, and often handle or wear snakes.[2] The manaeds were women, but I could imagine some of these people literally tearing people to bits who had an objection to gay marriage

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2014 01:29 PM (XyM/Y)

316 Just saw a current picture of Nancy Sinatra over at Twitchy. For those who remember her in her prime, you'll be glad to know she's turned into what apparently is Thulsa Doom.

Posted by: B at April 02, 2014 01:31 PM (6iEQd)

317 Hopefully this is all a smokescreen to divert attention from the real problem: Shockwave Flash doesn't work with Firefox. Good. It's time to let Flash die the death it should've suffered years ago.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 02, 2014 01:32 PM (SY2Kh)

318 The cognitive top 10% will also tend to be more reserved and taciturn, especially compared to the bottom 60%, which tends to be in perpetual heat, and therefore loud and in one's face.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:32 PM (9W+0f)

319 309 306 I know the "no shit" was a joke ;^) but here's an article on the radical gays in Germany.

http://tinyurl.com/kwzot7q
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2014 05:22 PM (XyM/Y)

Utterly vile. But it's the Christians who are the "haters."

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 05:24 PM (mx5oN)

++++

The worst part? This:

"Police urged the organizers to dissolve the rally, in order 'to avoid escalation.' The organizers of the demonstrations expressed their disappointment of the missing support by the police and that a basic right - the right of assembly, was not protected," the Observatory report said.

Instead of rounding up the shit-flingers, the cops tell the parents to get lost.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 02, 2014 01:32 PM (IN7k+)

320 #301 - Mike, agreed.

I was going with the dreary method that was all-too-familiar on the Continent.

Though Salem had its own - as you noted - catalog of absurdities.

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2014 01:32 PM (DV/Ik)

321 Therefore, stupidity will tend to predominate.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:32 PM (9W+0f)

322 Do you know if the study had a category for childless straight couples? I suspect that might have had something to do with it. Posted by: junior at April 02, 2014 05:27 PM (UWFpX) Doesn't matter. We're going on Ledbetter rules now. But that's kind of the point, isn't it? There's no actual discrimination, not one that shows up in any meaningful financial way, in any case.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2014 01:33 PM (T0NGe)

323 "Police urged the organizers to dissolve the rally, in order 'to avoid escalation.' The organizers of the demonstrations expressed their disappointment of the missing support by the police and that a basic right - the right of assembly, was not protected," the Observatory report said. Instead of rounding up the shit-flingers, the cops tell the parents to get lost. Same thing the cops do at pro-Israel rallies, or to Christian pamphleteers in Dearborn.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 01:33 PM (mx5oN)

324 Chaotic group dynamics tend to favor the stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:33 PM (9W+0f)

325 321 Working on the Sunday night leaderboard placement, MUMR?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 02, 2014 01:34 PM (ojnk6)

326 And so does Atheistic polygynous evolution.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:35 PM (9W+0f)

327 "California Uber Alles, Uber Alles California."

Posted by: Eisenhorn at April 02, 2014 01:35 PM (/8qpd)

328 I'll take Transcendental Ecstasy, or pretty much any kind of ecstacy, for $200, Alex! clap...clap ...clap.

Posted by: and irresolute at April 02, 2014 01:36 PM (RqHWH)

329 The abolition of marital monogamy as the fundamental sexual and reproductive paradigm empowers, emboldens, and imbecilizes the stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:37 PM (9W+0f)

330 310 "Formal religion's purpose was to take that magical thinking and compartmentalize it, and once people stumbled onto it, with organized priesthoods stamping out primitive beliefs, they were able to use a lot more of their formerly-" I guess you missed this part... + Relief from the Barbarian invasions of the early middle ages + Rescued Christian and pre-christian literature + Spread agricultural and animal husbandry knowledge + Started and protected universities + Sponsored and supported science and medicine + Created International Law theory + Developed and sponsored modern economic theory + Invented charity as we know it + Codified, expanded, and improved Western Law + Developed Western Morality + Created just war theory + Sponsored and influenced art and architecture + Developed the concept of inalienable rights "The more that man embraced reason and built a fence around religion in his mind, the further those civilizations rose." Hmmm... What about Rome? Where is Imperial France? Fascist Spain? Soviet Union? How many Catholics? One Billion?

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 02, 2014 01:38 PM (kduZC)

331 Most Atheists are proles. And proles tend to be animals. And animals tend to be stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:39 PM (9W+0f)

332 KG, Soona - I agree that in any country as big and diverse as the USA, the likelihood is that the future disruptions will tend to be localized and gradual in fact, although the media (including the alternative media, like this one) may very well have a "sky is falling" quality about it. The point will come, and probably before TFG is out of office, that decisions will have to made by the adults as to not paying certain governmental bills and cutting the scope of certain entitlements. That may be exacerbated by an external crisis or natural disasters, but it may just be the way things work out financially.

I predict further limits on deductibility of some large tax breaks, means testing for Medicare (and probably a scaling-back of the "doc fix"), and the devolution of some of the social programs largely administered by the states anyway - Section 8, food stamps, Medicaid, etc. - to the states, with block funding that declines slowly in real terms over several years. Some states (let's call them "blue") will try to maintain benefits, and some states (let's call them "red") will reduce benefits. This will work to increase the fiscal crisis in the blue states and increase the migration of producers from blue states to red states. The end result will be fiscal emergencies, leading to rioting in the large cities in the blue states. Which, of course, further increases the out-migration of producers, which increases the negative spiral in the blue states. And there will be outright bankruptcies of some blue institutions - cities, counties, universities.

In the end, the states with sanity, common sense, and American can-do spirit prevail and rewrite the social compact. But it will be a long and ugly half-century getting there.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 02, 2014 01:41 PM (MOIp+)

333 The educated Atheist can't even spell Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, or Aristophanes but he "understands" that Charles Darwin says that the Gays are equal, and 'that the Pope is a faggot' and is therefore an Genius.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:42 PM (9W+0f)

334 And in Argentina radical feminists tried to storm a Church and and attacked the men trying to defend it. http://tinyurl.com/kch8yp9

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2014 01:43 PM (XyM/Y)

335 But making fun of how Barney Frank talks, that is the real problem.

Posted by: ejo at April 02, 2014 01:43 PM (GXvSO)

336 >>>Religion can be a serious impediment to rational thought, but ironically its main function is to increase rational thought. One of Jung's observations was that magical thinking is endemic to mankind, such as primitive tribal beliefs that sorcerers were responsible for every ill that befell a member of the tribe. Someone gets eaten by a crocodile? A sorcerer commanded it, because crocodiles don't eat people of their own accord. They believe that, that's how they see the world, it's taken on faith much the same way that the earth goes around the sun for us. where did you get that? I'm just curious. I quoted that part of Jung on the blog six or eight months back.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2014 01:43 PM (/FnUH)

337 And really, who needs Dead White Males, mostly of the pigmented variety, when one can grok the deep insight of the common prole, and of the uneducated, blood thirsty lynch mob, and all that it has to offer.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:44 PM (9W+0f)

338 Nazi's hated Jews and "jewishness" to this degree. The left hates Christians and anyone similar just like their philosophical ancestors hated Jews. There will be no "detente" with these leftists - there will only be the new death camps for people like me, or new Nuremberg trials after the dust settles. These are Enemies of All Mankind. These are Hostis Humani Generis and the only cure will be the re-application of that centuries' old international tradition. When you find a slaver, a pirate, a rapist, or a Leftist, they should all be treated the same.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 02, 2014 01:45 PM (FBTT7)

339 But, if it's a question of reforming secular marriage, here is an immodest proposal. When one human being of any sex consensually impregnates any other human being of any sex, the two entities are automatically married. No divorce initiated by the impregnating entity for the first 10 years. Anyone consciously attempting to engage in polygamy receives 20 years at Sodomite camp.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:47 PM (9W+0f)

340 333 Mitt- Well if some of the atheists chose to read a bit of St Thomas Aquinas, St Augustine and St John of the Cross.... well... said minds would be blown. I'd wonder how they react to the Love expressed by St Theresa of Lisieux? Or, Blessed Theresa of Calcutta? Atheism is self limiting unlike religion. Atheism limits the human experience to only what can be proved. A very narrow filed indeed. In fact, Christianity is by far the most liberating philosophy ever. It's not call the Way for nothing. It IS THE Way.

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 02, 2014 01:48 PM (kduZC)

341 I really have no idea why people are insisting on reading this sentence: "I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought." ...decoupled completely from the next one... "This is particularly the case when a close-minded, fire-breathing Religious Zealot does not even realize he's in the grips of a Religious Hysteria." ... which is plainly about those who are zealous with religious fervor but without any god to direct that fervor towards.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2014 01:49 PM (/FnUH)

342 I understood what you meant, Ace.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2014 01:50 PM (XyM/Y)

343 There's absolutely nothing Antigay about that. It's perfectly egalitarian. And even progressive. Though perhaps also slightly draconian. Mostly because of the Atheistic "justice" system. Which tends to involve torture. Because bien pensants, who h8 but are also ok with State torture.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:52 PM (9W+0f)

344 Paragraphs are hard. They're just a bunch of sentences, which are just a bunch of words, which are in themselves just a bunch of letters, the whole concept should be tossed out as a bad job.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 01:52 PM (ZshNr)

345 Ace -- I get it. And, we have a choice on what we believe. We make that choice every day. "The world left to itself grows wilder than any creed. ...That is the only real question -- whether the Church is really madder than the world. Let the rationalists run their own race, and let us see where they end. If the world has some healthy balance other than God, let the world find it. Does the world find it? Cut the world loose; does the world stand on its own end? Does it stand, or does it stagger?" (The Ball and the Cross, GKC)

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 02, 2014 01:53 PM (kduZC)

346 "Whether or not Eich keeps his position, this episode is instructive for those who hold out hope for a dÃ©tente in the culture wars." Please. All politics all the time proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Left is not interested in "dÃ©tente".

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at April 02, 2014 01:54 PM (vd7A8)

347 Caesar Nort, that's a great quote from the Cooper Union speech, and I cite that to people who claim Lincoln was not really anti-slavery and fought the Civil War just to keep the union together.

Posted by: PJ at April 02, 2014 01:54 PM (ZWaLo)

348 PJ, hopefully the parallel with the ghey militants is obvious.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 02, 2014 01:56 PM (MOIp+)

349 Those who are open to seeing it will see it, Caesar.

Posted by: PJ at April 02, 2014 01:56 PM (ZWaLo)

350 ' agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought.' So glad you shared your religious ecstasy with us. Do you really think that people of a religious background have thought with clear thinking? Seriously? Here is a thought for you. The many atheists who propose AGW because, shut up! Was hard to pay attention to your comments when you started out insulting me. I demand you pay me $1,000,000 reparations and promise to adopt two puppies from your local pound.

Posted by: TimothyJ at April 02, 2014 01:57 PM (ep2io)

351 I saw Religious Fury and Transcendant Ecstasy open for Pink Floyd at the Tacoma Dome in 1977.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2014 01:58 PM (I8YZX)

352 Derp!

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 02, 2014 01:59 PM (DL2i+)

353 348 PJ, hopefully the parallel with the ghey militants is obvious. Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 02, 2014 05:56 PM (MOIp+) ------------------------------------ It is a superb parallel to both gay extremism and pro-abortion fanaticism. Lincoln really nails it. (Thanks for posting it!)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (dfYL9)

354 @330. Actually, I may have miswrote it a slight bit. One of the co-bloggers or even ace here gave the subject a much better treatment some months ago, but I forget exactly who and when.

My point wasn't an anti-religious one, at least, the one I was trying to make, but a strongly pro-religious one. One of the hallmarks of every early civilization was organized religion, and that's not a coincidence. Organized religion almost always draws a clear line between the spiritual world and the daily world, and that duality is what starts encouraging people to see the world as it truly is, rather than a place where everything is magic.

The point I went on to make is that when you remove that structure, when you try to get rid of religion altogether, the previous unstructured chaos returns. It's the belief that everything is just peachy-keen and can only be perfect until some evil outsider works magic against the righteous, IE, the entire thought process of the modern left. They just exchange their sorcerers for Koch Brothers.

Posted by: Cato at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (4cRuH)

355 336: That was you, ace? Then yes, credit is given. Because seriously, that was an awesome writeup.

Posted by: Cato at April 02, 2014 02:02 PM (4cRuH)

356 Cato- Thanks. I get it. Thanks for clarification. Â“In the absence of faith, we govern by tenderness. And tenderness leads to the gas chamber.Â” Â— Flannery OÂ’Connor

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 02, 2014 02:06 PM (kduZC)

357

There's a big point to this that goes beyond gay marriage -- intimidating execs at public companies from making donations to causes opposed by the Left. That's a sizeable donor pool. Note that there's no mention of Eich being an outspoken critic of gay marriage -- there's just the one donation.

How did Eich's name ever become public? Was it leaked, as suggested above?

There's Supreme Court precedent to support advocacy groups from not having to reveal donor lists. The early cases involved the NAACP. Justice for thee, but not for me.

I was a regular contributor to a political blog run that was an executive of a public company. While initially aimed at Princeton alums it got broader reach and was actually quite good. Many of the contributors were critical of Romney. Nearly all of the contributors opposed Obama for principled reasons. The executive shut it down in the Spring of 2012 without giving a good explanation. I suspected at the time that "someone got to him."

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 02, 2014 02:13 PM (EPEqj)

358 Never ever underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 02, 2014 02:22 PM (RQDhf)

359 Regarding Eich, he is a CEO who is in place at the pleasure of the Board of Directors. Either he will step down, or the BOD will vote to fire him. If the BOD had any ethics, they would be dealing with this by supporting their CEO and be willing to have HR fire the insubordinates. Eich may think that he can reason with these idiots, but what he is going to find is that they ARE in a religious fervor. The left and it's ideals are religious. They are a religion that has no base in either reality or reasoned thought, instead, they are based in fanatic one thought blindedness. They are no different than radical muslims in that they have been raised and nurtured to believe that whatever their own personal situation is, it is because of someone else. Someone else's beliefs and standards , which incidentally make up the majority and the normal, have created poverty, illness, cancer, starving children, war, strife, the seven deadly sins, etc. Only THEY have seen the light and have the wisdom to correct all these wrongs. And any and all means to do so is justified. It's why you see labs bombed by PETA members, stores looted by Occupy Wall street, George Zimmerman's parents address divulged by the media and then death threats showing up at their door. Even CEO's of major companies telling their shareholders and customers to go somewhere else to shop should they support traditional values. It ranges the gamut from verbal war to outright violence. Let's not forget what the media and it's supporters did to Paula Deen for somethng she said in private 30 years ago. The woman lost every advertiser, her publisher, her television show.... It's a vicious mob mentality with religious fervor and devoid of reason or empathy. And as someone said earlier, until it's victims begin to stand up to it, it will only get worse.

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 02:25 PM (IdGqX)

360 Cardinal George in Chicago said, (paraphrasing for brevity) "I will die in my bed, my successor will die in prison, and his will die a martyr."

He was wrong.

I don't think it will take that long.

Posted by: Pentangle at April 02, 2014 02:37 PM (QDrOD)

361 Pentagle- Here is Cardinal Geroge's complete quote. The final part of the quote is the money.... "I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square. His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined society and slowly help rebuild civilization, as the church has done so often in human history."

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 02, 2014 02:42 PM (kduZC)

362 It's clear to me that the only proper response is that the malcontents be fired. Anything less will only encourage them to push the envelope further. Ayn Rand wrote a nonfiction essay about the Berkeley "Free Speech Movement" in 1964. She harshly criticized the university administration for caving in to the demonstrators' demands. In hindsight, that marked the beginning of the campus unrest in the 60s. It spread from there and became more and more radical. It could have been nipped in the bud if the authorities had taken a hard line.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 02:44 PM (sdi6R)

363 I.AM.A.MONSTER.

Posted by: L.B. at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (vRa2L)

364 I.AM.A.MONSTER.

Posted by: L.B. at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (vRa2L)

365 Although I'd like to see it not happen, that Tree of Liberty being watered is coming very close to occurring...

Posted by: Blor-Utar at April 02, 2014 02:57 PM (BqWL/)

366 Fascism, straight up.

Posted by: Stuff Whoopi Goldberg Didn't Say, Vol. 7 at April 02, 2014 03:03 PM (H4aQb)

367 It is just not enough to just accept the idea of one man sucking another man's feces covered penis, you now have to emotively approve of as a good and desirable thing.

Hint..... it just ain't gonna happen. There is a big difference between accepting or understanding a behavior and having positive emotional feelings about that behavior.

Posted by: Anchovy at April 02, 2014 03:31 PM (MNxW+)

368 "I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought." ...decoupled completely from the next one... "This is particularly the case when a close-minded, fire-breathing Religious Zealot does not even realize he's in the grips of a Religious Hysteria." ... which is plainly about those who are zealous with religious fervor but without any god to direct that fervor towards. ace at April 02, 2014 05:49 PM It doesn't read like what you may have meant. First you say that you agree with atheists that religions impairs clear thought. You start the next sentence with "This is particularly the case." That statement does not mean that what follows is limiting the previous statement. It means that the impairment of thought by religion is even worse in the situation to be described, i.e. religious hysteria. Had you wanted to limit the previous statement, you would need to qualify it along the lines of "This happens when..." Then it would have refined when religion impairs rational thought. Of course, what sort of hysteria doesn't impair rational thought?

Posted by: Chris at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (crkWb)

369 And, we had Commiefornia's elected officials pulling a trick that Obama has since picked up on and polished into a centerpiece of his act: the open refusal to actively defend in court a law that was enacted by completely aboveboard means, and a law that should bind every officeholder. This is the road to what Pournelle calls "anarcho-tyranny". Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 05:05 PM (noWW6) Same thing recently happened in Nevada, though here it was a bipartisan thing with a Dem A.G. and a GOP Gov. F**k you Brian Sandoval, f**k you!

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 02, 2014 03:35 PM (CTCNK)

370 I commented on the Mozilla thing on Monday: http://tinyurl.com/mhb9aup Very quickly I got some H8 comments calling me a bigot. H8rs goona H8 and all that

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 02, 2014 03:36 PM (CTCNK)

371 It rubs the progressivism on its skin, or else it gets the hose again.

Posted by: Thatch at April 02, 2014 05:57 PM (qYvEa)

372 It rubs the progressivism on its skin, or else it gets the hose again.

Posted by: Thatch at April 02, 2014 05:57 PM (qYvEa)

373 The death camps probably will not come for abortion rights, but for anyone not progressive enough. I expect the 'Rack' in the Inquisition for those not "ghey" enough.

Posted by: Kafiroon at April 02, 2014 06:04 PM (HZMpv)

374 Because government is no longer willing to defend marriage as God defines it, it is time to return marriage to the private sphere where it came from and always really belonged. Gays can get married but will not be able to force others to approve of it, and will not be able to force others into slavery to serve and enable their sinful actions. If liberals demand that we remove the Ten Commandments from any government venue, they cannot attempt to cling to one of the points of the Ten (marriage) in their attempt to destroy the values they put forth. I don't call homosexuals my "enemy". It is instructive that they think that of me. When we get government out of the marriage business, then we don't have to go through a culture war to determine who gets to control government, and by which one side or the other will get to use government coercion to get our way in society. Maybe this also should demonstrate that a government big enough to decide this issue instead of leaving it as a private matter is a government that is too big.

Posted by: theBuckWheat at April 02, 2014 06:06 PM (nmcha)

375 Ja wohl, mein faggot

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 02, 2014 06:31 PM (dTh2r)

376 Seems like the ritual witch-dunking is too tedious. He should just have people pick up some rocks and stone the guy to death. Or maybe he'd do it Texas-style: tie him up and drag him behind a pick up truck.

Posted by: Astro at April 02, 2014 07:38 PM (2C1bq)

377 Seems like the ritual witch-dunking is too tedious. He should just have people pick up some rocks and stone the guy to death. Or maybe he'd do it Texas-style: tie him up and drag him behind a pick up truck.

Posted by: Astro at April 02, 2014 07:38 PM (2C1bq)

378 Seems like the ritual witch-dunking is too tedious. He should just have people pick up some rocks and stone the guy to death. Or maybe he'd do it Texas-style: tie him up and drag him behind a pick up truck.

Posted by: Astro at April 02, 2014 07:38 PM (2C1bq)

379 Everyone knows the Eich are evil. They ran the Council of Boskone.

Posted by: ech at April 02, 2014 08:02 PM (vRPbs)

380 Some people are just basically rabid and fanatical. Religion hardly ever has anything to do with it.

Posted by: ZZMike at April 02, 2014 08:26 PM (/le2f)

381 I can't say that I give a flying fuck about gay marriage. And to be perfectly frank, I don't know why anyone would want to get married in the first place! Been there, done that, worked my ass off and paid the bills, and got fucked over anyway.

"Until Death Do You Part" means until _*SHE*_ gets a better offer.

Charlie (ain't going there again)

Posted by: Charlie at April 02, 2014 08:40 PM (hmPAt)

382 you made your bed, now sleep in it. The comparison between al-gayeda and imaginary 'moderate' muslims is ok here. What the left calls 'moderate muslims' is a literary device to keep conservatives shut up but according to many wise scholars, when the push come to shove and the islamists reach a certain number the 'moderates' will switch to what is more familiar to them and what is more convenient, the muslim side. Same goes for the 'immense number of gheys who roll their eyes at such extremist positions'. However I have to grant to muslims that sometimes you do actually see a muslim dressed up as a moderate, someone that you think will not destroy Mona Lisa painting just because she is a dirty infidel etc. I have yet to see a 'moderate' ghey. At least in France they marched against ghey marriage. In the USA not a sight, it means they have already reached the tipping point and understood they already rule. Next step, watching when in small countries like the Netherlands the muslims will outnumber the rest, establish sharia law and make ghey marriage a footnote of history. But it is hard to pity americans, when you offer no opposition at all, whatever fascist force advances. Love also the fake outrage when this sort of things happen. Remember that to this date no potential mother will ever say 'I wish to have a ghey son' (yet they rule and control the narrative 100% with the bogus born-this-way-but-not-present-in-DNA-therefore-not-curable-or-abortable) but this might change in the future, mothers will be forced to publicly claim they wish to have a ghey son. And who do we have to thank for this? surely the conservatives enablers, all the people who starts their sentences with 'I don't care about ghey marriage'. Well, thanks guys, you did not care and we are moving to fascist land. This CEO will be fired or removed and you won't be able to do absolutely nothing about it.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2014 09:55 PM (rnV3B)

383 Daniel 3:18

Posted by: W Krebs at April 02, 2014 10:52 PM (gsM97)

384 "I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought." Just because religious dogma is not based on fact that doesn't negate the many independent forms of empirical evidence that the afterlife is real. http://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/summary_of_evidence More here: http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/p/psychical-research-parapsychology.html Many atheists are just as incapable of clear thought as religious fanatics: http://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_fallacies Many leaders of the atheist movement are deceptive: http://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection Many of the most brilliant minds believed that consciousness is not produced by the brain: http://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers

Posted by: anonymous at April 02, 2014 10:58 PM (aBswB)

385 in relation to what I have written above, any person questioned on TV will never say they wish to have a healthy hetero child, it is already considered to be hate speech regardless it is something very basic that every woman thinks, we are this close to in 10 years time having pregnant celebrities saying publicly they would like to have a ghey son. The road to insanity is already walked in full.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2014 11:01 PM (rnV3B)

386 stop linking opposition to homosexuality with religion. I know plenty of people who never read the bible once or never attended church who are more fervent in their homo opposition. As a great scale example see Japan (non Christian) or Russia and Eastern Europe. You push back on homosexuality because of common sense, not because of the bible or priests.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2014 11:03 PM (rnV3B)

387 Eich ought to call an all-hands meeting: "Show of hands - how many of you feel that I ought to step down over this issue? OK, those with your hand up will find an empty box next to your desk. Put all of your personal stuff in the box and take it with you as security escorts you out of the building." It's the Culture War. Fight it.

Posted by: Chas C-Q at April 03, 2014 01:52 AM (GNZ0/)

388 Well I hope you're happy. Instalanche, and you spelled "transcendent" wrong.

It's no damned wonder we have no national standards of behavior.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 03, 2014 02:11 AM (xq1UY)

389 Eich did the only thing more mortal than proclaim Climate Change questionable.

Posted by: egoist at April 03, 2014 02:31 AM (mlIxB)

390 I agree with atheists that religion is a serious impediment to clear thought. Blaise Pascal, Thomas Moore, Thomas Aquinas, and Augustine of Hippo called in to say Wut?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at April 03, 2014 05:27 AM (1hM1d)

391 I agree with Eich, and believe that he is the best guy for the job. Way to go Eich!

Posted by: stephen wick at April 03, 2014 06:42 AM (7vUkH)

392 It's absurd to say that marriage is a civil right when it has traditionally been a religious sacrament. The Declaration of Independence clearly says that civil rights are a gift from God which governments are instituted to protect. It's God who is against Gay Marriage, not Christians.

Comparisons to interracial marriages are false. Interracial couples could find preachers to marry them. This is why the northern states stepped in to invent marriage licenses. Before, it had been up to the preachers and the neighbors to police this.

Fanatics have no need to make sense; all they want is power. They will grasp at any rationale.

Remember that the Progressives came out of the New England Social Gospel movement of the 1830s. They want to create a heaven on earth through governmental actions; they gave us the trade unions, public schools, the blue laws, prohibition, onerous regulations, crony capitalism and big government. They never asked if God wanted them to do those things; they wanted to force God's hand to speed up the Rapture.

Most Progressives, these days, no longer rely on God because they have accepted the government as the supreme arbiter.

God is likely to disagree. His wrath is supposed to be mighty against false religions, but he is often slow to act. That is just as well, if the Gay's excesses will destroy them. They are too small in numbers to affect us without the Democrats behind them.

Posted by: Louis Wheeler at April 03, 2014 10:32 AM (TbquH)

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