September 26, 2013
— Purple Avenger Some random clicking led me to this NPR piece on red light cameras which was interesting.
What's the point of a red-light camera — to make intersections safer or to generate revenue? That's the question prompted by researchers at the University of Tennessee, who say the cameras are sometimes used in ways that are more likely to make money than to improve safety.Real shocker that something sold to the public for "safety" would be perverted into a revenue maker that might actually compromise safety, right?
OK, you're done rolling your eyes now I suppose...moving on...
In their research, Han and his colleagues explored what they call "dual, conflicting purposes" in the system: The more effective a camera is at making an intersection safe, the less profitable — and self-supporting — it becomes.Naturally, when revenues decline, action is called for.
Han says some city and county governments have gone through "gyrations" to keep their red-light cameras operating.When people obeying the law and driving safely proves inconvenient, just make sure more people break the law - revenue restored!"Some increased fines from $50 to $100 per offense," he says. "Some play with traffic signals to get more incidences of red-light running. Some added speed enforcement to the red-light camera program over time."
For instance, cutting the duration of a yellow light by one second — from four seconds to three, for example — results in a higher frequency of drivers running a red light — as high as 110 percent, according to the study.And if jacking the Yellow times down isn't producing enough violators, they have some other tricks up their sleeve as well.
And if the speed limit around an intersection goes up, drivers are more likely to be caught in the "dilemma zone" — where they must quickly consider their options, and have less room to stop comfortably. According to one report in the study, raising the limit by 10 mph makes it 45 percent more likely that drivers will run the light.And if goosing the speed limits up ain't good enough, there's even more "safety enhancement" things they'll do to help make sure you violate.
Another strategy that was reported in the Tennessee paper but not closely studied is the practice of municipalities removing signs warning drivers of an upcoming signal.So what's a reasonable yellow light duration in practice out on the streets under real life conditions?
Assume a typical recognition/react time of about 1sec. You see the green switch to yellow, decide you won't make it through on yellow, and then start flailing various appendages needed to start the braking process. 1sec for this process start to finish is about right...
...but you still gotta actually stop the vehicle. That 1sec "latency" just got your foot off the gas pedal and onto the brake pedal, you haven't decelerated yet.
There's a table here that will allow you to calculate stopping TIME.
the average driver can safely decelerate an automobile or light truck with reasonably good tires at the rate of about 15 feet per second (fps). That is, a driver can slow down at this rate without anticipated probability that control of the vehicle will be lost in the process.If we use that "typical" 15 feet per second figure, and assume a speed of say 50mph (a typical speed limit on US 441 in my south FL area), the table says you're moving at 73.3 feet/sec at 50mph.
Using the 15' per second metric, that means you can bring the vehicle to a complete stop in 73.3/15 seconds, which is ~4.9sec once you are ON THE BRAKES. Add to that 4.9sec a standard 1sec latency and you're looking at a recognize/react/stop time of just under 6sec. If your ride is a 5,000lb 1970's gas guzzler hooptie bondo-buggy covered in Wisconsin chrome (i.e dust tape) with bad brakes, bald tires and the road is kinda wet, you may want to extend that 6sec just a tad.
How many yellow lights do you see on 50mph roads, with stop light cameras, with a 6 sec Yellow timing? Yea, not many. Damn few. Vanishingly close to zero. As a practical matter, you got a better chance of spotting Elvis in a 7-11.
Mitigating treacherous villainy designed to
ensnare you and manufacture criminals
Having a car or two in front of you at a red light isn't a bad thing either; it means THEY, not you, will likely be the ones to get T-boned when someone cruises a red light coming the other way. I always like it when I can have someone else, test the waters before I jump in.
In many areas, during off-peak hours lights are synchronized so that a vehicle traveling at some particular speed almost never gets one. ex. I can go the 10mi from home to PBI on surface streets at 40mph in the middle of the night passing through dozens of lights and catch maybe only one or two. Go the posted speed limits and I'd be catching 50% or more of them. That's something you can only learn by experience in an area and trial and error.
Here's a link to the research paper NPR mentions. There's a number of interesting graphs there.
You're not being paranoid when
they really are out to get you.
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 26, 2013 06:53 AM (/PCJa)
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Posted by: Nemesis at September 26, 2013 06:55 AM (sOtz/)
It's the same thing they do with tobacco and alcohol. They tax the shit out of it, which causes people to purchase less. This decreases revenue. So they jack up the taxes, meaning people purchase even less.
See also: gasoline
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 06:55 AM (4df7R)
IIRC, 'round these parts they caught a town tweaking the yellows so that it wasn't even possible to get through the light even if you entered during green.
Somebody sued and I think they got them to turn the yellows back to where they were before.
I'd note as well that several cities are putting the red light cameras on highway exit ramp intersections.
So you go in during a green, but traffic backs up and so you're stuck in the intersection. BAM, ticket (because they changed the rules so that it's not a ticket for running a red light, it's a ticket if you're in the intersection, even if you entered during a green.)
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 06:55 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Fritz at September 26, 2013 06:56 AM (UzPAd)
And you'd see them in the 'hood.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 06:57 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 06:58 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at September 26, 2013 06:58 AM (SldZ2)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2013 06:58 AM (zZbNF)
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 26, 2013 06:59 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: mugiwara at September 26, 2013 07:00 AM (W7ffl)
When I point out the bad driving by them to the Local John Laws , I always get the same argument, "we can not catch everybody"
I always shoot back. Ever see a Nascar driver thats Asian?
Posted by: California Archie Bunker at September 26, 2013 07:00 AM (QjJh7)
The big revenue intersection by my house is 35 with a short yellow and short green. Meaning, people get so aggravated waiting on that light that they almost always cut it too close and run it because only five cars at a time can get through the intersection. Especially since it's no right on red (another trick these cameras use to screw everyone over.
Now, taking your foot off the gas coming up on a green light is a dick move and not exactly safe since it's an unexpected behavior that could just as easily get you rear-ended.
Posted by: Clownf*cker at September 26, 2013 07:00 AM (kZVsz)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 07:00 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 26, 2013 07:00 AM (LSJmV)
In Florida it's for revenue. A bunch of counties have, or plan to reduce the yellow light time.
And the reason given was to collect more money.
Posted by: ExSnipe at September 26, 2013 07:00 AM (57ubW)
Have lots of experience with these mofos. Got a ticket in the mail after doing a guy a favor after a party and taking him home to his downtown Philly condo.
They put cameras in at the lights around City Hall, which are 100% for revenue generation. If you are not familiar with Philadelphia City Hall, there is a square around it, with Broad Street bisecting that square north/south and Market Street east/west. The streets around the square are one-way. If you are traveling south, then turning left to go around the square, you can come around the corner and literally be in the intersection with Broad Street before you even see the traffic light. If it turns red just after you come out of the corner there is no way you can stop in time. This is what happened to me. I saw the camera flash but there was nothing I could do. Got a $100 ticket in the mail. Needless to say, I no longer drive in that area.
Posted by: rockmom at September 26, 2013 07:00 AM (Q4elb)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 26, 2013 07:01 AM (1RQeV)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 07:01 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 07:01 AM (kl3xJ)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 26, 2013 07:02 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: Aquaviva at September 26, 2013 07:02 AM (5hZmj)
Posted by: RS at September 26, 2013 07:02 AM (YAGV/)
Tar, feathers. Save some for the idiot ladies in your coffee circle who can't believe it's not making safer drivers out of everyone.
Posted by: Sarahw at September 26, 2013 07:02 AM (LYwCh)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 07:02 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Zombie Admiral David Farragut at September 26, 2013 07:03 AM (DHQv9)
Whenever I see a cop on the opposite side of the highway, waiting for speeders, I flash my lights to the oncoming traffic.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 07:04 AM (gqgiP)
Posted by: RS at September 26, 2013 07:04 AM (YAGV/)
Posted by: rockmom at September 26, 2013 11:00 AM (Q4elb)
I had to drive the wife down to the eye clinic at Jefferson hospital several times in January/February for surgery. After the first time trying to figure out the roads around city hall I went waaaaay out of my way to avoid them. What a CF.
Posted by: joncelli at September 26, 2013 07:04 AM (RD7QR)
When you rear end a car, its YOUR FAULT. Always. Every. Single. Time. By definition, you weren't keeping a safe distance. If you rear end a car, you were the dick.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:05 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: California Archie Bunker at September 26, 2013 07:05 AM (QjJh7)
They put cameras in at the lights around City Hall, which are 100% for revenue generation. If you are not familiar with Philadelphia City Hall, there is a square around it, with Broad Street bisecting that square north/south and Market Street east/west. The streets around the square are one-way. If you are traveling south, then turning left to go around the square, you can come around the corner and literally be in the intersection with Broad Street before you even see the traffic light. If it turns red just after you come out of the corner there is no way you can stop in time. This is what happened to me. I saw the camera flash but there was nothing I could do. Got a $100 ticket in the mail. Needless to say, I no longer drive in that area.
Posted by: rockmom at September 26, 2013 11:00 AM (Q4elb)
Always avoid Broad, unless you need to cross over it. It is retarded with cameras, too. All of it.
Posted by: Clownf*cker at September 26, 2013 07:05 AM (sPO/s)
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 26, 2013 10:59 AM (8sCoq)
Didn't you just claim poorhouse in the last thread?
Posted by: Red Shirt at September 26, 2013 07:05 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: steveegg at September 26, 2013 07:06 AM (o44nj)
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 26, 2013 07:07 AM (18xby)
Posted by: RS at September 26, 2013 07:07 AM (YAGV/)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate at September 26, 2013 11:05 AM (9MLX+)
No, you're BOTH dicks.
Posted by: Clownf*cker at September 26, 2013 07:07 AM (sPO/s)
How about if you are tailgating me and I slam on my brakes because "officer, I thought I saw a puppy in the road!"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 07:07 AM (gqgiP)
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 07:08 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: rickl at September 26, 2013 07:08 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 26, 2013 07:08 AM (7ObY1)
Which, as I see it, is a reason why many people predicting the Burning Times aren't so sanguine that military and LEO's are going to be on the side of the resistance. The police are servants of the State. They're going to want to increase the power and longevity of the State.
I do find it funny, though, that cops always insist, "no, no, we don't have a ticket quota!" Really? Then why is it that I'm always seeing a lot more of you lying in wait at the end of the month (like you, West Newbury cruiser trying to hide behind the town hall at 5.45 this morning)?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 07:08 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: California Archie Bunker at September 26, 2013 07:08 AM (QjJh7)
The thing that's darkly comic, of course, is that with these red light cameras -- as well as the cigarette and alcohol taxes I mentioned above -- one of the stated purposes of them is precisely what the gubmint complains about : red light cameras are supposed to promote safer driving, and high "vice" taxes are partially intended to affect behavior so that smoking and drinking -- especially to excess -- becomes too expensive. When they first institute these things you'll notice that they're always talking about how they're looking for a way to "improve public health," which in these particular cases is just a cute and fancy way of saying "socially engineer behavior."
But it's money. It's always, always about money. When there was talk earlier in the year about the NTSB recommending a change to state law's that would reduce the BAC required to be legally intoxicated from 0.08 to 0.05, the majority of the hubbub was about how it was an attempt by the gubmint to further engineer behavior. But far beyond that, it was another way the gubmint could use to squeeze more money out of the otherwise law-abiding public.
It's ALWAYS about money first.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:08 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 26, 2013 07:09 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: California Archie Bunker at September 26, 2013 11:00 AM (QjJh7)
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.... why you round-eyed motherfucker....
Posted by: Tokyo Drifter at September 26, 2013 07:09 AM (sOtz/)
Believe it our not, you're wrong. I've defended and one a number of rear end collision cases over the years. The classic is the pass, swerve and brake case, where the rear driver is following at a safe distance until someone cuts in front and brakes. I've won a half dozen of those in 20 years.
Posted by: RS at September 26, 2013 11:07 AM (YAGV/)
Yep, a lot depends on the witnesses and police report. Without that supporting evidence its a he said she said and you're behind the eight ball if you did the rear ending. If its a serious enough case though , a reconstruction expert could be useful.
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 07:10 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2013 07:10 AM (yFFC0)
Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2013 07:11 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 26, 2013 07:11 AM (V3kRK)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:12 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: RS at September 26, 2013 11:07 AM (YAGV/)
This is why dash cams have become the norm in Russia.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:12 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 26, 2013 07:13 AM (LSJmV)
a reconstruction expert could be useful.
Problem is they are all a bunch of filthy carpet baggers!
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2013 07:13 AM (5ywfe)
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 26, 2013 10:55 AM (8sCoq)
ok i saw that!
yes, yes, i was at the store getting gas for the car. I should never leave because you guyz just keep going without me. You know you guys could just cool your heels for an hour or so , well because, i think everything is about Me.
so very unfair, so very unfair.
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 07:14 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2013 11:13 AM (5ywfe)
Nothing like civil war humor. Only on AOS.
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 07:14 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: maddogg at September 26, 2013 07:15 AM (xWW96)
That was a real asshole move.
Posted by: Clownf*cker at September 26, 2013 07:15 AM (sPO/s)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 07:16 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 11:08 AM (zF6Iw)
I'm always especially careful when driving at the very end and very beginning of every month. The cops and troopers are always thick as t hieves at those times. At the end of the month they're trying to reach their quota, and at the beginning of the month they're trying to get a headstart on that month's quota, especially if they missed the quota for the previous month.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:16 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:16 AM (DmNpO)
i'm not sure, at some intersections the yellow is very very short. anyone else notice that?
while others seem 3 cars could make it through on a left turn?
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 07:16 AM (nqBYe)
How about the gov't wanting black boxes in cars? Tey track EVERYTHING in the car even seatbelt use.
http://tinyurl.com/p62bjdc
Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 07:16 AM (jShXB)
you send them a picture of yourself paying for the infraction!
Posted by: Sean Connery at September 26, 2013 07:17 AM (OXzvH)
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2013 07:17 AM (yFFC0)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2013 07:17 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: mugiwara at September 26, 2013 07:18 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: Melodicmetal at September 26, 2013 07:18 AM (QY9FJ)
http://tinyurl.com/p62bjdc
Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 11:16 AM (jShXB)
I've have been saying a hearty, full-throated, "FUCK NO" to car black boxes ever since the idea first came up. FUCK to the NO to the FUCK NO.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:18 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at September 26, 2013 07:18 AM (09o/X)
Posted by: t-bird at September 26, 2013 07:18 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: dananjcon at September 26, 2013 07:18 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at September 26, 2013 07:18 AM (cUWJ9)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at September 26, 2013 07:18 AM (8JJ6O)
Posted by: blindside at September 26, 2013 07:19 AM (WzWmY)
A real asshole move would be dropping the ban hammer on your proxy. You don't seem to take gentle hints.
Try to test me and I guaranfuckingtee the limit finds you before you find it
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:19 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Red Shirt at September 26, 2013 11:05 AM (FIDMq)
that money was spent before my current troubles
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 26, 2013 07:19 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: rockhead at September 26, 2013 07:19 AM (jtTKf)
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 11:14 AM (nqBYe)
Have you perfected your new flounce yet, willow-chan?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:19 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 26, 2013 07:20 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 07:20 AM (MhA4j)
The New York Times reports 96 percent of cars now carry some sort of black box under the dashboard, and the National Highway Traffic Administration wants the technology standard in all vehicles sold in the U.S by 2014."
Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 07:20 AM (xZ8Ay)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 07:21 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Baldy at September 26, 2013 07:21 AM (tyDFN)
1) Avoid those intersections whenever possible.
2) If (1) isn't possible, I look ahead. If I see the light is already green, that means my chance of making it before it goes red is poor. I pull over to the curb (safely, though, no matter how inconvenient this is for other drivers; scrooo 'em) and wait until it goes red. Then I cruise sedately up to the light, stop, and take off when it goes green.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 26, 2013 07:21 AM (BDU/a)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 26, 2013 11:16 AM (4df7R)
Don't forget holiday weekends.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2013 07:21 AM (LI48c)
That's right up there with "tax cuts have to be paid for."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 07:21 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Patrick at September 26, 2013 07:22 AM (b6koZ)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 07:22 AM (VtjlW)
and noo police around, they will be about 300 feet from the flashing signs with their radar , well away from the debacle at pick up time.
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 07:22 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 07:23 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 07:24 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2013 11:21 AM (LI48c)
Oh hell yes. Labor Day weekend is ticket bonanza! And Memorial Day weekend is even worse, especially if it's a bright sunny day and you're finally getting out of the house after a long, snowy winter.
95. Stop. Look. Listen.
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 11:21 AM (MhA4j)
Wait wait. I thought it was, "Stop! Collaborate and listen."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:24 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:24 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 07:25 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 07:25 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:25 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 07:26 AM (6qlHs)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 11:22 AM (VtjlW)
Or like what happened after Superstorm Sandy, when no one had any electricity or water.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:26 AM (4df7R)
Raleigh mayor Charles Meeker did that. Stupid douche.
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 07:26 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: RS at September 26, 2013 07:27 AM (YAGV/)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 11:23 AM (ZPrif)
Because they're as addicted to the illusion of "gubmint money" as the Demonrats.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:27 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:27 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 11:21 AM (/kI1Q
Nah, it's cool. We'll pay for the tax cuts with spending cuts! (That's my response, always).
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 07:27 AM (GaqMa)
A city in Florida got stone cold busted shortening the yellow light time
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Was it Waldo?
(someone knock that one down)
But that's real, in name to answer your question.
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 07:27 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 07:27 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Patrick at September 26, 2013 07:28 AM (b6koZ)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:28 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at September 26, 2013 07:28 AM (8JJ6O)
Posted by: brak at September 26, 2013 07:28 AM (iEoiA)
The war is over. I won.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate at September 26, 2013 11:25 AM (9MLX+)
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OMG Chilling Effect!
He airbrushed Clownfucker out of history - just like Stalin.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 07:28 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 07:28 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:28 AM (da5Wo)
This is great. Obama is speaking to a group of young people (must be at a college) about Obamacare.
No one in this crowd will pay less for insurance because it's designed to transfer money from young and healthy to old and sick. But no one in the crowd knows this. They're all smiling and applauding wildly.
Wait till they get the bill.
Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2013 07:28 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: RS at September 26, 2013 11:27 AM (YAGV/)
From people trying to drive to their family's house, and simultaneously getting hammered because they have to visit their family?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:28 AM (4df7R)
They sit astride the lanes of commerce waylaying travelers for money. There is only sometimes a safety motivation and even then it is coupled with the greedy desires for booty to feed the city,state or department.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 26, 2013 07:29 AM (URNUb)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 26, 2013 07:29 AM (xSegX)
Posted by: Picric at September 26, 2013 07:29 AM (53Xwh)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:29 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 07:30 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:30 AM (DmNpO)
No one in this crowd will pay less for insurance because it's designed to transfer money from young and healthy to old and sick. But no one in the crowd knows this. They're all smiling and applauding wildly.
They're all on their parents' insurance right now. Or they were, until their parents' insurance gets cancelled b/c it doesn't mean Obammycare requirements.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:30 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: brak at September 26, 2013 11:28 AM (iEoiA)
In the City of STL we actually had an alderman saying "don't pay them, we can't enforce it anyway"
And in fact, someone checked and he had like 5 outstanding red light tickets himself (I think he released that fact to the media, it wasn't opposition research.)
In any case, turns out he was right. The city didn't actually add any enforcement mechanism so the fines couldn't be collected other than with threatening letters (which had no teeth.)
He was pissed because something like 2/3 went to the company, so he figured "hell why bother"
I think they changed the rules now though.
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 07:31 AM (GaqMa)
And because they're on Mommy's insurance for the next eight years.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 07:31 AM (/kI1Q)
1. Use tax dollars to purchase red light cameras
2. Reduce live police patrols
3. Profit
No question marks in this formula, and I guarantee you this is what is happening.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 26, 2013 07:31 AM (yIZJ3)
Well, I just made myself persona non grata to one of our front office girls. I was walking by when I heard her asking her partner if she'd seen Jon Stewart and that "dope" Ted Cruz.
I'm in a foul mood, so I stopped and said, "you mean the bit about him reading 'Green Eggs and Ham' on the Senate floor?"
"Yeah, that was so stupid!"
"Do you know why he did it? He knew his kids were watching him at home, so he read them a bedtime story. That's why."
She gave me a blank look, so I went on. "But Jon Stewart called him stupid? Did he talk about the rest of Cruz' speech? The content of what he was saying?" Then I went in for the kill - "So, you don't know what Cruz was talking about, you don't know why he did what he was doing, but you think you know enough to call him stupid because Jon Stewart says you should. No wonder this country's screwed."
I expect to hear about this from the supervisor later, but it was just too much to pass up. LIV idiots.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 07:31 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: RS at September 26, 2013 07:31 AM (YAGV/)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:31 AM (da5Wo)
In our City, the local paper recently had a long article showing that many of the cameras were placed not at intersections that had high accident rates, but rather, at intersections that would provide the most revenue.
The other thing I've noted is that some drivers speed up near these intersections if the light is green so as to minimize the chance of being caught in that zone of the light turning yellow just as they get to the intersection.
Always have loathed these devices, seems very big brotherish. Surprised our lefty paper would do an expose type story on them.
Posted by: RM at September 26, 2013 07:31 AM (/Frlf)
Keep pointing and shouting. Cause I'm sure you're not next.
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First he's posting word problems disguised as blog posts, now he's executing hostages. None of us are safe.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 07:31 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: RoadRunner at September 26, 2013 07:32 AM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 07:32 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: brak at September 26, 2013 07:32 AM (iEoiA)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 07:32 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 11:31 AM (zF6Iw)
*applause and loud feet-stomping on the bleachers!*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:32 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lauren at September 26, 2013 07:33 AM (ELdpj)
In the great tradition of Ace of Spades I think I just posted that twice in slightly different versions. And it was old.
Barrel....
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 07:33 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 11:30 AM (nqBYe)
Willow, willow how are you going to keep up if you keep insisting on having a life?
Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 07:33 AM (jShXB)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 07:33 AM (MhA4j)
I expect to hear about this from the supervisor later, but it was just too much to pass up. LIV idiots.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 11:31 AM (zF6Iw)
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I totally have wood right now. But not in a gay way.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 07:33 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:33 AM (da5Wo)
typical.
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 07:34 AM (nqBYe)
It won't be permanent, more of a timeout. Its Lockheed's outside tubes proxy and affects everyone at Lockheed using that proxy.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:34 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:34 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 11:33 AM (CJjw5)
You sure? Cuz, y'know, theater major.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:35 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 11:33 AM (jShXB)
I know right?!
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 07:35 AM (nqBYe)
It is NOT difficult to avoid a ticket in Waldo.
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I always avoided one by driving with my speedo pegged on the limit. But in a Mustang 5.0 back then I always felt safe going through Waldo. Like Secret Service protection.
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 07:35 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at September 26, 2013 07:35 AM (aoCee)
100% of what motorcycle cops do is to raise revenue.
There is zero need for most traffic enforcement except to raise revenue.
Those big shows of "look at this bust we made" are nothing but fundraisers. "Look how much we are doing, give us more money."
The reason most people no longer have any respect for the police is because so much of their job now is to crudely raise revenue.
Stopping and solving crimes--their job--is respectable.
Grubbing for money is not.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2013 07:35 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Lea at September 26, 2013 07:36 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:36 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 26, 2013 07:36 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:36 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: jewells45 at September 26, 2013 07:36 AM (l/N7H)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:36 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 07:37 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 26, 2013 11:35 AM (4df7R)
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Oh, yeah? I dare you to strip naked, slather I Can't Believe It's Not Butter all over your body, sit on my lap and say that to my face.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 07:37 AM (CJjw5)
Now what will the morons at Lockheed do for the duration?
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 07:37 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:37 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 07:37 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:38 AM (da5Wo)
It is NOT difficult to avoid a ticket in Waldo.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 11:30 AM (DmNpO)
Are the speed trap ahead signs still in place?
Posted by: ExSnipe at September 26, 2013 07:38 AM (57ubW)
Posted by: Leland at September 26, 2013 07:38 AM (QB3JR)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:38 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at September 26, 2013 07:38 AM (SldZ2)
Oh, yeah? I dare you to strip naked, slather I Can't Believe It's Not Butter all over your body, sit on my lap and say that to my face.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 11:37 AM (CJjw5)
Not even real butter? Pfft!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:39 AM (4df7R)
I'm sure these vendors use a tenuous police "force multiplier" argument to sell town on the idea...
"its like getting more cops for FREE, and we'll pay you to do it"
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:39 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at September 26, 2013 07:39 AM (PMGbu)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at September 26, 2013 07:39 AM (8JJ6O)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 07:39 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 26, 2013 11:36 AM (HDgX3)
It's a $100 fine here.
And a $99.50 charge to request a court date.
I shit you not.
When my dad found that out he just paid it. (Because if you lose you're out the $99.50 plus the $100.)
Scam and a half.
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 07:39 AM (GaqMa)
I also think that in Ohio yellow lights are actually treated as red lights as well. So if you think you can safely cruise through a yellow and the cop sees you they can ticket you. At least that's what once happened to my mom and what the cop claimed. Though they regularly lie and just make up bullshit laws to justify what they're doing to you. Nevermind that it was raining and the roads were slick and the time she had to put on the brakes to stop probably would have left her in the middle of the intersection.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2013 07:40 AM (LI48c)
>>Tell me, did she shrink in her chair? Cuz that's what I 'saw" while reading and I really want it to be true.<<
$50 says the LIV is still sitting there trying to figure out if she was insulted or if Jon Stewart was.
Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2013 07:40 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:40 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 11:37 AM (VtjlW)
*looks around* Can someone find a DJ? S/he needs to revolve it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:40 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 26, 2013 11:39 AM (4df7R)
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I'm watching our cholesterol.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 07:40 AM (CJjw5)
They reduce T-bone collisions slightly.
At the expense of a huge increase in rear-end collisions.
You know, because people learn there is a camera and, instead of going through the yellow as they would have before, they slam on the brakes and treat the yellow as a red.
Because with a red light camera, entering the intersection on yellow--while legal--will guarantee you a ticket.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2013 07:40 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Lauren at September 26, 2013 07:40 AM (ELdpj)
Posted by: Patrick at September 26, 2013 07:41 AM (b6koZ)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 07:41 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 11:37 AM (CJjw5)
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If you had said homemade whipped cream, you might have had something there.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 26, 2013 07:42 AM (yIZJ3)
Increase Revenue.
Make Yellow Light times random.
So we'll never know.
If an intersection normally runs with a six-second yellow, if you swith one in ten cycles to a four second yellow, you'll catch a whole lot of people.
Posted by: Haiku Guy at September 26, 2013 07:42 AM (bIy5N)
Funny though, I have never gotten a red light camera ticket yet. There are some lights in Calgary, and nearby areas that are just plain goofy. Go red for an insanely long period, with no cross traffic at all. Programmed wrong. I am now at the point that if I encounter one, I'll stop, look both ways, and then just drive on through the damn thing. If I ever get a ticket for it, I will hire a lawyer and fight it on the grounds that I was convinced that the signal was out of order.
Incidentally, has anyone here heard of using retro-reflector license plate frames to defeat photo radar? Idea being it bounces back so much of the camera's flash that it washes out the image?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 26, 2013 07:42 AM (60Q+L)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 11:41 AM (/kI1Q)
*cuts like a razor blade*
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 07:43 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 07:43 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 11:40 AM (CJjw5)
Hmph. well. That's okay then.
But I value my life and your wife would kill me, so I'll have to respectfully decline. Theater major.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:43 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Cory Booker at September 26, 2013 07:43 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 11:40 AM (da5Wo)
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You ever notice how the only joke you have is the one I gave you?
Let's not be criticizing my choice of stripper toppings until I see some fresh material out of you people.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 07:43 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2013 07:43 AM (9Zci/)
@169 MWR
85 MPH speedo, mandated by law. You could make the windows vibrate on the straight shot of SR 100 coming back from 95 to Gville.
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 07:43 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: mindful webworker in his '68 Mustang of memory at September 26, 2013 07:43 AM (Jh9QN)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 26, 2013 07:43 AM (xSegX)
I also found out recently that Maryland has put speeding cameras on I-95 between Baltimore and the Delaware line. Got an $85 ticket in the mail out of the blue from Maryland a couple of months ago after a visit to friends in Virginia. There's a "work zone" now that runs for about 15 miles north of the city, with a 55 mph speed limit. I can't tell where the cameras are either. It's actually dangerous to try to drive that stretch of I-95 at 55 mph when most people are going 70-75.
A couple years ago I drove to DC for a conference when I was out of work and pretty broke, for networking purposes. I was running late because of a late appointment in the morning, so I was driving a little faster than normal, and parked on the street outside the conference hotel to avoid the $25 hotel parking charge. In one day I got: a $100 speeding ticket from DC from a camera on New York Avenue; a $25 parking ticket because the spot was suppsoedly illegal even though I was behind the sign, and another $100 ticket from DC because my PA registration was expired. Damned expensive trip.
And don't even get me started on the $300 ticket for parking with one inch of the car hanging over a handicapped zone in Philly, or the $150 ticket sent to me because a car I donated to charity 2 months earlier was parked on some ghetto street in Philly with a "for sale" sign in it. (I did beat that one, but not without a lot of hassle.) Everything you hear and see on TV about the Philadelphia Parking Authority is true. I try to take the train now whenever I need to go into the city. I stayed out for 2 years after that $300 handicapped ticket fiasco, I figured the city had gotten enough of my money for a while.
Posted by: rockmom at September 26, 2013 07:44 AM (NYnoe)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:44 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: TenthJustice at September 26, 2013 07:44 AM (qB8lN)
South Bay at the bottom of lake Okeechobee is another notorious one. Go 1mph over the limit and they'll nail you. I had one of the south bay cops follow me for about 5 miles one night coming back from Clewiston waiting for me to blow it.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:44 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: wing and a prayer at September 26, 2013 07:45 AM (dLNm7)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at September 26, 2013 07:45 AM (SldZ2)
Posted by: RS at September 26, 2013 11:27 AM (YAGV/)
From people trying to drive to their family's house, and simultaneously getting hammered because they have to visit their family?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 26, 2013 11:28 AM (4df7R)
College kids going home for the weekend hitting the bars.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2013 07:45 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 07:45 AM (m2CN7)
Because I care about others.
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 07:45 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Carlos Danger at September 26, 2013 07:45 AM (jShXB)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:45 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Mainah at September 26, 2013 07:46 AM (659DL)
I VOLUNTEER EC AS TRIBUTE!!!!!!
Cause for some reason I can totally see him as a DJ. You know, white dude dressed like a white dude trying to act black, tinted lenses, ridiculously expensive headphones half on, shoulder pinched and head down to hold headphone on ear, one hand on turntable/mixer with the other hand up in the air while he bounces up and down.
http://tinyurl.com/kuuvhg8
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 07:46 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: nip at September 26, 2013 07:46 AM (jI23+)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:46 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:46 AM (DmNpO)
*slices like a ninja*
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 11:41 AM (/kI1Q)
I feel the undeniable need to kick my juice. But I have no juice! And anything less than the best is a felony.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: David Frum at September 26, 2013 11:45 AM (5ywfe
*VOMIT*
Dammit, NOT. ENOUGH. BRAIN BLEACH. EVER.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:47 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:47 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 07:47 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: rockhead at September 26, 2013 07:48 AM (jtTKf)
If your snark is a drug you can sell it by the gram.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 07:48 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:48 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 11:46 AM (DmNpO)
Cocktail party invites.
You know, my campaign, if it ever exists will be "send me to DC, I don't play golf, and I hate cocktail parties. Also I hate DC, so I'll be home whenever congress isn't in session."
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 07:48 AM (GaqMa)
Loves butter.
and the Theatre. Musicals, I'm guessing.
Holy crap, you mean...
EoJ = David Frum????
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 07:48 AM (GQ8sn)
Anyone else remember the speeding zones on highways that were monitored by law enforcement traffic copters. They would calculate the time between lines marked on the highway that you traveled to determine your speed.
I think the expense to revenue ratio eliminated that practice.
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 07:49 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:49 AM (DmNpO)
Everyone knows that in the Adventures of Lorelei and Lola, I'm the stripper.
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 07:49 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 11:47 AM (da5Wo)
Heh round here they tailgate you.
Hoping you'll speed up.
Then...TICKET TIME!
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 07:49 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:49 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 11:28 AM (da5Wo)
Indeed. I got a speeding ticket for not speeding in Gulf Breeze. They just militarized a bridge and thought of something.
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 07:50 AM (sOtz/)
>>> EoJ = David Frum? <<<
I'm just saying that I have never see them in the same production of Cats.
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2013 07:50 AM (5ywfe)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:50 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 07:50 AM (MhA4j)
People actually do it unconsciously anyway.
Visually impinging items, like infrastructure, large trees, large signs cause an effect traffic engineers call "friction". People tend to naturally slow down when approaching them.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:50 AM (9MLX+)
Holy crap, you mean...
EoJ = David Frum????
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 11:48 AM (GQ8sn)
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Or Mark Steyn.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 07:50 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: 11B40 at September 26, 2013 07:51 AM (030W4)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 11:50 AM (CJjw5)/i]
Nah, I've heard your voice before.
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 07:51 AM (GQ8sn)
Betcha the defense is going to be zoning.
*dumps kerosene on threat, lights match, flips it onto kerosene and wanders off*
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 11:47 AM (VtjlW)
You are correct that they are trying to say that it was a zoning violation. But there are notice procedures that have to be followed that are now being questioned whether they were done or not.
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 07:52 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 11:44 AM (da5Wo)
The mental image... so crisp and clear... GOLD.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:52 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:52 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 26, 2013 07:52 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 07:53 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 11:49 AM (DmNpO)
Really? On the bridges going to the Keys? I find that an expensive way to issue speeding tickets. But when has any government agency worried about expenses.
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 07:54 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Barky McFuckstick at September 26, 2013 07:54 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 11:49 AM (VtjlW)
Yeah! With a kickass stripper pole spinkick that can take down three zombies in one twirl.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:54 AM (4df7R)
>>Cause for some reason I can totally see him as a DJ. You know, white dude dressed like a white dude trying to act black, tinted lenses, ridiculously expensive headphones half on, shoulder pinched and head down to hold headphone on ear, one hand on turntable/mixer with the other hand up in the air while he bounces up and down. <<
Like anything Pitbull has done, or ever will do.
Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2013 07:54 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Emperor Norton II at September 26, 2013 07:55 AM (MlqTY)
Posted by: redguy at September 26, 2013 07:55 AM (oqvI4)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at September 26, 2013 07:55 AM (SldZ2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:55 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:55 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Bridge Constabulary of The Keys at September 26, 2013 07:56 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 11:48 AM (DmNpO)
Someone should help him up. Where's LifeCall?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:56 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 07:57 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 07:57 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 07:57 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: RWC at September 26, 2013 07:57 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 07:57 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: nip at September 26, 2013 11:46 AM (jI23+)
And what about slowing down because you KNOW the light will change.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2013 07:57 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 26, 2013 07:58 AM (60Q+L)
On the bridges going to the Keys?
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FTR, those not aware, a 90 mile stretch of beautiful and deadly two-lane duels between $200,000 supercars and, as Top Gear would say, Caravans. More "holykufimgonnadie" driving than you want to do in a year. I mean just to go maybe five over or something and arrive alive, not pushing it. Oh no, don't do that.
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 07:58 AM (sOtz/)
Wow.
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 07:58 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2013 11:57 AM (LI48c)
Indeed, I've taken to watching the crosswalk counters as I approach.
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 07:58 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2013 07:59 AM (bDqG/)
The estranged wife of George Zimmerman said that since the coupleÂ’s spat at a family home in Florida she now has doubts about her husbandÂ’s innocence for killing Trayvon Martin.
FFS.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 07:59 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 11:55 AM (da5Wo)
Funny ha ha or funny strange?
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 07:59 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 11:59 AM (m2CN7)
Around here it's usually both.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 08:00 AM (4df7R)
Great job, Mary Poppins. Would loved to have seen it.
I got one of those $300 parking tickets in Philladelphia a few years ago. In a marginal/creepy neighborhood late night, no other cars anywhere nearby (should have been a clue even though there was no traffic at all). When I got the ticket I still could not find a no parking sign. I was not going to pay, but my wife prevailed on me to just pay up, because you might forget and get caught in Philadelphia down the road and God help you then. You'll end up in a cell in the basement of the Callowhill stationhouse that will make you long for the Tower of London White Tower under Henry VIII. Minimum sentence of 10 years manufacturing brooms for the Philly meter maids' transportation.
And yeah, the Philly meter maids do get around on brooms. But they are a LOT meaner than any witch you've ever heard of.
Posted by: RM at September 26, 2013 08:00 AM (/Frlf)
Posted by: UWP at September 26, 2013 08:00 AM (vj51i)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 08:00 AM (da5Wo)
**blushes**
Thanks, everyone, you're too kind. I don't usually go off like that in public, but after McStain's little stunt yesterday, I'm ready to rip the face off of anybody slamming Cruz. No, she didn't shrink in her chair; she just very pointedly ignores me. As I said, we'll see if I hear about this later.
he may be a theatre major, but he sounds more like a casting director.......
Ha! I just read this, in my new book about Gloria Swanson:
"Mack Sennett's door and fly were always open. No girl even got on the lot if she hadn't first been on his casting couch. Among the ones who didn't walk away (and there were probably hundreds of them) were Gloria Swanson, Mabel Normand, Norma Talmadge and her sister Natalie."
And yes, I know it's terrible, degrading unchivalrous and all - but to be able to sleep with Gloria Swason just by pointing to the casting couch; well, that gives me a little wood. And not in a gay way.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 08:00 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: RWC at September 26, 2013 08:00 AM (fWAjv)
If you see a car pulling to a stop on a lesser traffic cross street's red, and the main street is off-peak, what are the chances the light flips yellow on you?
If there's roadbed sensor loops, almost 100% that your green flips yellow within a few seconds.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 08:01 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at September 26, 2013 08:02 AM (SldZ2)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:02 AM (DmNpO)
*slices like a ninja*
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 11:41 AM (/kI1Q)
*cuts like a razor blade*
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 11:43 AM (GQ8sn)
*walks like an Egyptian*
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 08:02 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:02 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 26, 2013 08:03 AM (U2UQk)
http://tinyurl.com/mtu2mmp
The estranged wife of George Zimmerman said that since the coupleÂ’s spat at a family home in Florida she now has doubts about her husbandÂ’s innocence for killing Trayvon Martin.
Shellie Zimmerman, speaking publicly for the first time since she told cops her husband threatened her with a gun on Sept. 9, told NBCÂ’s 'Today' that the man she loved changed dramatically after he was acquitted for the murder of the unarmed 17-year-old.
“This person that I’m married to, that I’m divorcing, I’ve kind of realized now that I don’t know him,” she told Matt Lauer on Thursday. “And I really don’t know what he’s capable of.”
Posted by: RWC at September 26, 2013 11:57 AM (fWAjv)
Attention seeking whore. They want to keep that claim that he threatened her with a gun and then you get to the end and cops found no gun on him.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2013 08:03 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 11:57 AM (da5Wo)
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I don't have a Mac. I use Audacity and a Blue Yeti USB mic. Quiet rooms are rare, seeing as I have 4 young kids. So, typically the only time I have to myself to do it is after everyone is asleep.
Hard to be funny when you're slap wore out. And when it's just you, you have to provide all the material. Riffing off someone is a lot easier. That's why I post here more than at my own blog.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 08:03 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 26, 2013 08:04 AM (1RQeV)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 11:23 AM (ZPrif)
Because they want their kickbacks and revenue at expense of safety (with plausible deniability), too.
Posted by: Sarahw at September 26, 2013 08:05 AM (LYwCh)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 08:05 AM (MhA4j)
The estranged wife of George Zimmerman said that since the coupleÂ’s
spat at a family home in Florida she now has doubts about her husbandÂ’s
innocence for killing Trayvon Martin.
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I doubt his innocence because I'm mad at him and want to punish him by ruining his reputation.
Gotcha, fatass.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 08:05 AM (CJjw5)
Hard to be funny when you're slap wore out. And when it's just you, you have to provide all the material. Riffing off someone is a lot easier. That's why I post here more than at my own blog.
Since I still hold Canadian credentials, I will volunteer to DJ your Bourboncasts.
"And now, put your hands together for EEEEEEEE OOOOOOOOH JAAAAAAAAAY!"
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 08:05 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 26, 2013 08:06 AM (T0Pku)
That's really where all their power comes from. Starve the beast any way you can and usually things fall into place.
Posted by: McAdams at September 26, 2013 08:06 AM (HIjii)
In PA we're getting more places ok'd for traffic cams all the time. They just cause accidents. Every study shows it.
As for yellow lights, I think the all the yellows in PA are three seconds.
This is the key for safe traffic lights:
In PA, after the light goes red the opposing green light is delayed either three seconds or zero. The three second delay is only used at high speed/volume/accident intersections. But studies show a two second delay at all lights and a four or five second delay at nasty intersections greatly reduces accidents.
If you think about it, it would also reduce tickets. So they'll never do it. But it is the best way to make intersections with lights safer.
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 26, 2013 08:06 AM (tOkJB)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at September 26, 2013 08:07 AM (SldZ2)
President Obama's high school best friend, who at one time was 'like a brother' to him, has been accused of brutally raping and beating a woman, it emerged today.
Keith Kiyoshi Kakugawa, 54, from Eureka, California, was arrested at his home last Sunday and booked into Humboldt County Jail on suspicion of false imprisonment, sexual penetration by force, oral copulation by force and battery.
Posted by: RWC at September 26, 2013 12:00 PM (fWAjv)
What a peach. Sounds like exactly the kind of guy our dipshit Preezy would hang around with. If he's guilty I hope in jail he gets sexually penetrated by force in every orifice his body offers.
Is this the same half-Japanese guy who Obammy turned into a black nationalist African-American in one of the memoirs he didn't write?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 08:08 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2013 08:08 AM (CMlD4)
Since I still hold Canadian credentials, I will volunteer to DJ your Bourboncasts.
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"Thank you, thank you! Everybody give it up for my emcee - DJ Maple Sizzurp!"
****wikka-wikka-wikka-wikka-whaaaaa!***
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 08:08 AM (CJjw5)
Easing up on the gas as your entering an intersection, or not easing up, depends on the situation. The road, the traffic, the surroundings, etc. (It's generally a good idea.) It's an instinct that you either have or you don't.
Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 08:09 AM (9KqcB)
Today's Islamophobia, in name. I like that spell check still won't accept Islamophobia as legitimate. Spell check is my hero.
Muslim Brotherhood infiltration of Clintons and so on.
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 08:09 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 26, 2013 12:03 PM (U2UQk)
I was driving back to Louisiana from Colorado with two of my buddies after a ski trip. At 10:48 I got pulled over and got my first speeding ticket for this trip. Was not mad as I thought that was pretty good considering. After squaring away, I took off again towards home. Unfortunately I was pulled over again. The ticket read 10:52. Now I was mad. Lucky for me in 1982 the tickets were only 25.00 and you could mail them in.
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 08:10 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Ed Anger
That, and speed tables, traffic circles, and speed selective rumble strips.
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2013 08:11 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: red sweater at September 26, 2013 08:11 AM (oATMN)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:12 AM (DmNpO)
RE: rdbrewer's link in the sidebar ("WaPo: Cokie Roberts on MSNBC: ‘Some … tea party anger is racist’)
Cokie Roberts isn't dead or in a home for senility yet? WTF? Between her and Bob Schieffer the Beltway must smell like mothballs and used Depends.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 08:12 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 08:12 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Patrick at September 26, 2013 08:13 AM (b6koZ)
Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 26, 2013 08:13 AM (p7BzH)
so i had previosuly read everything necessary would be funded as normal there would be no default on debt payment, yet isakson indicated something else.
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 08:13 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:14 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Damiano at September 26, 2013 08:14 AM (SplJ2)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 26, 2013 12:12 PM (4df7R)
-- And White Shoulders
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 26, 2013 08:14 AM (R8hU8)
Isakson Cspan R said it would affect our military and other necessary govt blah blahs. so if it came to govt shutdown , would that effect our military, and other payment functions?
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 12:12 PM (nqBYe)
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The last shutdown did not affect our pay in the Army. The worthless DOD civilians that worked on post got furloughed for a month and were paid for that time when the shutdown ended.
So, they got an extra month of paid vacation. What a fucking hardship.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 08:14 AM (CJjw5)
It wouldn't affect national security/law enforcement stuff.
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 08:14 AM (GQ8sn)
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Jeebus Cristo on a stick I frickin HATE roundabouts.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2013 08:15 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 08:15 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 08:15 AM (VtjlW)
The Roundabout Of Death I drive through twice a day is one of the top five most dangerous intersections in the county.
Apparently Hoosiers see "Yield to Both Lanes" and read "Fuck it, they'll brake."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 08:15 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 26, 2013 08:16 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 12:14 PM (CJjw5)
Hell they still can't even figure out if my wife has to work or not.
She could use a vacation, so I say "shut 'er down."
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 08:16 AM (GaqMa)
An EoJ Cochran team up.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 12:15 PM (da5Wo)
"Get 'em up in the back row!!! Please welcome EoJ and BC to the hizzouse!!!"
*faders and mic switches*
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 08:17 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 08:17 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: polynikes at September 26, 2013 08:17 AM (m2CN7)
Yellow's aren't calibrated in feet though, they're calibrated in seconds. You either have enough time to react and stop or you'll be getting the ticket.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 08:17 AM (9MLX+)
this is the thing i've been noticing about this aca legislation , Republicans are shrieked at for trying to fight this damaging legislation. Because it's . the law of the land.
yet Dems are applauded for fighting Legislation when it is a pet project. like for partial birth abortion etc.
well yes i know another case of glaring hypocrisy, but these arguments are all new to me.
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 08:17 AM (nqBYe)
In PA we're getting more places ok'd for traffic cams all the time
The state just legalized them last year. The max fine allowed is $100 and revenues have to go into the transportation fund – not general. At least that’s what the law says.
Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 08:18 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 08:18 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 12:15 PM (VtjlW)
I think he's implying he can't afford it.
And additionally what's the point of paying for something that merely wets your appetite when you can't afford the rest.
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 08:18 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 08:18 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:19 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 08:19 AM (sOtz/)
cloture stuff.
sorry if i'm not clear i'm running out of gas (need food)
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 08:19 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 08:20 AM (VtjlW)
*SIGH*
University of Maryland official tells students Trayvon Martin case proved it is 'legal to hunt' children
An email sent to students by a University of Maryland official that cites the Trayvon Martin shooting as evidence "it is legal to hunt down and kill American children in Florida" is being blasted as the latest evidence of a left-wing bias on campus.
The email, from William Dorland, director of the school's Honors College, starts by welcoming students back to campus, but then quickly veers into politics.
"This year, we learned that it is legal to hunt down and kill American children in Florida," it reads, in a reference to the trial of George Zimmerman, who was cleared of all charges in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The email went out to all students in the Honors College.
The political language continued:
"This year, the most activist Supreme Court in the history of the United States and radical factions of gun owners, gun manufacturers, and marijuana users are challenging the very fabric of the nation..."
Dorland then invites students to attend a lecture by former NAACP chairman Julian Bond.
Wonderful, isn't it? But that's not even the best part. When FOX News contacted him, here's what Dorland had to say:
...Dorland, reached by phone, told FoxNews.com that his goal was merely to stir student interest in the Julian Bond speaking event.
"I didn't regard it as a political statement, I regarded it as trying to stir some student interest in an activity going on on campus," Dorland told FoxNews.com.
Oh! You didn't regard it as a political statement? Oh well that's okay then! Silly us!
The dumbfuck probably doesn't realize how many college kids tuned out his message after he mentioned the Mary Jane in derogatory fashion.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 08:20 AM (4df7R)
Video of a man self machining and building the world's smallest v-12 engine
Great for model car racing or building that P-51 Mustang model plane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3KdpzL3Hkk
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2013 08:20 AM (/9IC1)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate at September 26, 2013 12:17 PM (9MLX+)
You're missing the point. Time is the correct unit, but stopping time is still not the correct metric. The right metric is the time for the last car that can't stop safely to enter/clear the intersection while maintaining speed.
Posted by: red sweater at September 26, 2013 08:20 AM (oATMN)
Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 26, 2013 08:20 AM (bb5+k)
Something our fucking govt could stand to learn.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 12:17 PM (da5Wo)
I the case of AtC the nip slip and booty bounce would be well worth twice the price in my humble opinion.
Posted by: Carlos Danger at September 26, 2013 08:20 AM (xZ8Ay)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 12:15 PM (da5Wo)
I second this!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 08:21 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 26, 2013 08:21 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: red sweater at September 26, 2013 08:21 AM (oATMN)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 08:22 AM (VtjlW)
cloture stuff.
sorry if i'm not clear i'm running out of gas (need food)
The latest GOP plan is to couple the debt ceiling deal in return for a one year delay in the O-care mandates.
I think it's the wrong strategy. No deal on the debt ceiling. Shut it hell down. Let the mandates take effect and show the public just how awesome obamacare is in its full effect.
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 08:22 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at September 26, 2013 08:22 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 26, 2013 08:22 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 08:22 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 08:22 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:23 AM (DmNpO)
Awwwww. Poor baby.
You aren't getting a pity bounce.
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 12:20 PM (VtjlW)
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I never saw a stripper sorry for herself.
An ass-poppin' ho O.D.ing on coke will fall dead from a brass pole
Without ever feeling sorry for herself.
-D. H. Lawrence
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 08:23 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 26, 2013 12:20 PM (4df7R)
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Curses..... foiled again......
Posted by: The Barrel at September 26, 2013 08:23 AM (nELVU)
Towns play games with that kinda stuff too.
I have a friend who's a judge in NY and if the NYSP give a speeding ticket, something like 80% of that goes to the state, 20% to the town.
So, people come to traffic court with speeding tickets and he "allows" them to "plead" to "parking on the pavement", which has the same fine, no points, and ALL the revenue goes to the town.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 08:23 AM (9MLX+)
now off to eat toast or something.
Don't type!
i mean it.
no really.
really.
ok nevermind go on without me.
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 08:23 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 26, 2013 08:24 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Joe Bar at September 26, 2013 08:24 AM (dHHIr)
An ass-poppin' ho O.D.ing on coke will fall dead from a brass pole
Without ever feeling sorry for herself.
-D. H. Lawrence
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 12:23 PM (CJjw5)
That's...beautiful, man. *sniff*
Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2013 08:24 AM (DrWcr)
I literally could not see the light and didn't even realize I had gone through it until the camera flashed.
My fine: Approximately $600 when all was said and done! And, yes, you read the fine amount correctly...it was $480 plus "administrative" fees that amount to close to $600!
I tried to fight it...even found out after the fact that this particular intersection was the subject of enumerable complaints and many news stories including an on-air story in which the MTA official admitted that the intersection was confusing, and they have since redesigned the intersection and added actual signage. But none of that mattered to the judge whose only "graciousness" was to take the point off of my record (I still had to pay the outrageous fine).
And thus I made my forced union contribution to the City of San Francisco...
I have since learned to hide my face whenever I am at intersections with these cameras...they cannot legally prosecute you if they cannot see your face in the picture! Not that I go through red lights on purpose, mind you, but I do not trust these robots...removing the "human" equation from these sorts of things is very, very dangerous...but no matter as we all know these cameras are about revenue generation, NOT safety!
Posted by: Jon at September 26, 2013 08:24 AM (WMrUv)
Yeah, and a damn fine one, but expensive. I mean, $100 for a nip slip and a booty bounce?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 11:50 AM (da5Wo)
*eyebrow arch* You are implying I'm not worth that?
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 12:15 PM (VtjlW)
A glimpse of Her Imperial Malevolence's nips would be like staring into the sun.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 08:24 AM (zF6Iw)
"This year, the most activist Supreme Court in the history of the United States and radical factions of gun owners, gun manufacturers, and marijuana users are challenging the very fabric of the nation..."
Uh oh. He blasted marijuana users. The left wonÂ’t care about sliming the highest court in the land or defenders of the Constitution, but going after potheads is an outrage.
Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 08:24 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Carlos Danger at September 26, 2013 08:26 AM (kl3xJ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:26 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 26, 2013 08:26 AM (QF8uk)
An EoJ Cochran team up.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2013 12:15 PM (da5Wo)
Which one is the one who talks like a fag and which one's shit is all retarded?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 08:27 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 08:27 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 26, 2013 08:27 AM (QF8uk)
Greenville Wal-Mart Shooter Picked Victims By Race
CBS Charlotte: http://tinyurl.com/m9s5f9x
GREENVILLE, N.C. (AP) — A man who shot four people near a Greenville Wal-Mart in June picked out his victims because they were white, according to several indictments handed down against him.
Lakim Faust had more than 100 rounds of ammunition when he started shooting at people at a law firm and a shopping center in June, authorities said.
A grand jury indicted Faust on 14 charges Monday, including four counts of attempted first-degree murder.
Faust, who is black, picked out his victims based on their race, according to the indictments. The documents didnÂ’t specify why Faust wanted to shoot white people, and police have not talked about why he picked out his targets...
Why would he want to kill white people? Well because white people made him do it, of course! Sheesh!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 08:28 AM (4df7R)
They will lower the BAC limit to where using mouthwash will light it up.
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 08:28 AM (GQ8sn)
LAPD won't pursue red-light camera tickets in court...
The city's decision to end the contract with the firm that operated the cameras means data needed for officers to testify won't be available. So many of the cases involving a trial could be dismissed.
After months of debate, the City Council voted in July to shut down the controversial program. Some officials publicly derided the steep red- light camera fines, which often topped $500, as "voluntary" because county courts were not aggressively penalizing those who simply ignored the citations.
The matter will eventually be referred to a collection agency, which will also try to seek payment. But the Superior Court does not send information on camera tickets to the state Department of Motor Vehicles, meaning the outstanding ticket might not affect a driver's license, credit rating or insurance.
Posted by: ButwhaddaIknow? at September 26, 2013 08:28 AM (5aT64)
Well, the whole point of the research mentioned in the NPR piece is that given some of the tricks being played with reduced yellow timings and speed limits, that "safe stop" is often physically impossible to execute.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 08:28 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 12:27 PM (VtjlW)
And not raising the debt ceiling is like randomly stopping your car payments (more arguably it's not taking out a 100th credit card to continue your lavish spending spree.)
Obama has nothing but crappy analogies.
Problem is, they tend to work. Yay for the Emotivist self!
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 08:29 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at September 26, 2013 08:29 AM (bCEmE)
I think Robert Spencer nailed the pull quote from this one. The jihadis in Kenya claimed they carried out "a meticulous vetting process at the mall". Well, at least someone does.
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 08:29 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 12:09 PM (9KqcB)
And then some people wonder why they seem to constantly get Tail Gated...
I just LOVE the old driver move of slowing down before a light... thus slowing down everyone else... and then they are the last one to make it through said light...
I bill out a $90 an hour.... so that 5 to 8 extra minutes just cost me $7.50 to $12.00.... not to mention what it costs my clients while whatever IT system I'm on my way to fix, is down longer...
Was on my way to fix a Pediatrician's Network last week.... Online Med Records and his internet was down.... 8 Drs could not see sick Kids.... and got slowed down by a lady purposely making a moving roadblock next to a trucker... Trucker was speeding up and slowing down trying to break the log jam, but she stayed right next to him as he accelerated and decelerated for over 6 miles... (California, where Car speed limit was 65, truck 55)...
When I finally got room, she then accelerated her SUV to over 75 to try to not let me pass.... (sorry biatch... I don't drive a Camaro for nothing...).... all the while, she had a 'smirk' on her face....
I so wanted some way to let her know, that her 'game' was stopping sick kids from being seen by their Doctors....
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2013 08:29 AM (lZBBB)
@ZekeJMiller: Obama mocking GOP: "Affordable health care is worse than a law that allowed slaveowners get their runaway slaves back"
CLASS.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 26, 2013 08:29 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 26, 2013 08:29 AM (U2UQk)
I got a look inside a few of the newer ones DC is rolling out. Pretty sweet looking gear, and they do -everything-. Stills, video, speed, can detect failure to stop at a stop sign, and allegedly a few other interesting things too.
Ace gave some good advice about intersections. I would add that it's in your best interest to scrupulously obey traffic laws, and signs. Don't snuggle up all cozy like with the speed limit either. Slow down a bit. Use your turn signals, make sure your tail, and brake lights work.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 26, 2013 08:29 AM (sCynV)
From the state with a temporary tax of around 15% on booze to aid 'Johnstown Flood Victims' of like 70 years ago. Yeah, I'll drink the kool-aid.
Ha. The flood tax would have gone away if people supported privatizing the liquor stores, or even partial privatization. But the unions fought it and the voters yawned.
Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 08:30 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 26, 2013 08:31 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 26, 2013 08:31 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 26, 2013 12:28 PM (4df7R)
The story is slightly misleading with the "100 rounds of ammo" thing. He was taking Slow-Joe's advice and used a shotgun. He was caught with 100 shells.
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 08:31 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: nip at September 26, 2013 08:31 AM (jI23+)
@ZekeJMiller: Obama mocking GOP: "Affordable health care is worse than a law that allowed slaveowners get their runaway slaves back"
CLASS.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 26, 2013 12:29 PM (4df7R)
And Post Racial! He's such a uniter!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 26, 2013 08:31 AM (sCynV)
The latest GOP plan is to couple the debt ceiling deal in return for a one year delay in the O-care mandates.
I think it's the wrong strategy. No deal on the debt ceiling. Shut it hell down. Let the mandates take effect and show the public just how awesome obamacare is in its full effect.
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 12:22 PM (GQ8sn)
Because when the Democrats want to fuck America in the ass Republicans believe that the best starting negotiating position is "Ok but use lube."
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2013 08:31 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:32 AM (DmNpO)
The Fugitive Slave Act was probably passed by all Democrat votes as well.
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2013 08:33 AM (CMlD4)
Sometimes the terminology, even though inaccurate, has to be adjusted for a general audience.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 08:33 AM (9MLX+)
If the light is green its green. If you're speeding it may be a problem to stop, otherwise slowing for green lights is fucking stupid, and you are part of the problem.
Posted by: nip at September 26, 2013 12:31 PM (jI23+)
Read Ace's post a second, third, and fourth time. There are valid reasons beyond the threat of shortened yellows, (for revenue purposes), for slowing slightly at intersections. See your local DMV's driver's pamphlet for info.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 26, 2013 08:33 AM (sCynV)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 26, 2013 12:26 PM (QF8uk)
You want to get angry?
Educate yourself about the way Property confiscation laws are being used in some places.
They pull you over for 'speeding'... or driving in a Passing lane, and if you have large amounts of cash on you, they confiscate it as drug money.... and its VERY difficult to get the money back.
It is then used by the Police Dept.... in some cases to give themselves bonus's...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 12:31 PM (GQ8sn)
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In his military-styled commando raiment?
Posted by: MFM at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 12:33 PM (DmNpO)
Don't tell willow.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (kl3xJ)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (YmPwQ)
You need to pay more attention to visual clues. Sometimes I can tell from 500'+ away when a light is gonna flip yellow just by paying attention.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (9MLX+)
@ZekeJMiller: Obama mocking GOP: "Affordable health care is worse than a law that allowed slaveowners get their runaway slaves back"
Posted by: Tami at September 26, 2013 12:22 PM (bCEmE)
If that fucker weren't protected by the Secret Service, I'd punch his teeth so far down his throat he'd be able to eat sitting down.
Hey, Boner, hey, Preibus - are you going to call out this thug or what? You useless cockholsters.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (zF6Iw)
I just LOVE the old driver move of slowing down before a light... thus slowing down everyone else... and then they are the last one to make it through said light...
I hate that too. But like I said, for some intersections under certain conditions and at certain speeds itÂ’s just smart to ease up on the gas. Not brake, but ease up. Especially at roads with high speed limits but also traffic lights.
I grew up near one such road, usually ranked among the most deadly in the US – Roosevelt Boulevard/Route 1 in Phila. There are no hard and rules, just instinct and common sense.
Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (9KqcB)
They didn't reason their way into their position, so you'll never reason them out of it
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 08:38 AM (9MLX+)
So you ignore the mail-in ticket, then sometimes they send a process server. If you can dodge it, it ends up costing the city money as they ticket gets automatically dismissed after something like 90 days. Ive done it a few times.
The other smart strategy (if your married) is to register your wifes car in your name and vice versa. If the driver doesn't match the gender of who the car is registered to, it's usually thrown out before it gets mailed.
Posted by: McAdams at September 26, 2013 08:40 AM (HIjii)
Faust, who is black, picked out his victims based on their race, according to the indictments. The documents didnÂ’t specify why Faust wanted to shoot white people, and police have not talked about why he picked out his targets...
The questions is not ‘whether’ the routine rhetoric of the Al Sharptons and the Left in general makes black-on-white violence more likely, it’s ‘by how much does it do so?’
Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 08:40 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 26, 2013 08:41 AM (7ObY1)
Got a ticket in the mail with a link to not one, not two, but three, count em, three pictures of me running the red light. Just for good measure, the link also had a video. It isn't a picture, it's a video!
In my own defense (yeah right, like Aaaanybody cares) I never even saw the light. It was a diagonal street coming out of the parking lot of a large shopping center into another one and about 20 ft. right after another major intersection...and it was raining...and the sun wasn't even up yet...and I'm pretty sure I will never make the mistake of going back that crap hole to work again.
Posted by: Lloyd Loar at September 26, 2013 08:42 AM (9u2hL)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 26, 2013 08:42 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 08:46 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 11:37 AM (CJjw5)
The theater major dramatically declared as he open a can of Tab.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (rXcBX)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 26, 2013 08:53 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate at September 26, 2013 12:28 PM (9MLX+)
Yes, agreed. 100% with you on that. But using the stopping time gooses the numbers upwards. Again, who cares if the light is red by the time a decelerating car stops at the line? Use a more sound measure.
Posted by: red sweater at September 26, 2013 08:55 AM (oATMN)
There goes 'policing for profit', and if the state wants to argue that fines etc. go to paying for the cost of enforcing the law, it's free to take back as much of the distributed money in taxes as it can convince the public to accept.
Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at September 26, 2013 08:55 AM (lILC0)
Posted by: d_fitz at September 26, 2013 08:59 AM (enmeq)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2013 12:29 PM (lZBBB)
She would probably orgasm upon hearing that.
Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 26, 2013 09:19 AM (p7BzH)
Posted by: pauly at September 26, 2013 10:25 AM (vvPUU)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 26, 2013 11:27 AM (vd7A8)
Here's a linky: http://on.wtsp.com/19lLZP9
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at September 26, 2013 11:31 AM (BDH94)
No, you don't calculate the yellow light based just on stopping distance, you have to factor in letting you get through the intersection if you're short of stopping distance and proceed through.
My pet peeve, though is the one that caught me making a right-on-red (legal in VA, I just didn't stop first) - the road onto which I was turning had left-turn-only green lights! So, there was NO ONE for me to yield to. There should have been a green right-turn arrow for me, and I should have just cruised through. But, nope - I was supposed to come to a full and complete stop because ... I don't honestly know.
Oh, and all the lights in this area that insist you sit and idle for several minutes, waiting to get a protected left turn ... while there is no other traffic within a half mile. I will admit I've run a few of those.
Posted by: GWB at September 26, 2013 11:53 AM (Yv2t4)
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 10:55 AM (GaqMa)"
Most places it has always been illegal (no matter what you *thought*) to enter an intersection if you can't cross all the way through it. Because you're obstructing traffic.
Posted by: GWB at September 26, 2013 11:55 AM (9eTPJ)
"Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at September 26, 2013 12:50 PM (rXcBX)"
Travelling Whipsnade, that you?
Posted by: GWB at September 26, 2013 12:09 PM (9eTPJ)
Look for dual sensor loops in the pavement. Often there's one by the stop line and another a car length back of that.
A lot of the computers are programmed to wait almost forever if there's only one car waiting for a left turn arrow.
Try faking them out by stopping short of the intersection so you're sitting over the 2nd sensor loop. I've found that the programming usually isn't sophisticated enough to recognize this ruse and is tricked into thinking there's two cars stacked up when there's only one and its sitting over the 2nd sensor loop -- you'll get the green quickly that way.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 04:18 PM (9MLX+)
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More seriously: Weren't they always about revenue generation? Nobody believes it's a safety measure.
Posted by: joncelli at September 26, 2013 06:52 AM (RD7QR)