Ace of Spades HQ

January 24, 2013

Report: California Power Costs to Go Up by 33%
— Ace

California has been a leader in renewable energy production, in part due to federal and state level policies that provide incentives for producers of renewable power. However, a new report found that CaliforniaÂ’s energy policies will raise state power rates and associated costs by nearly 33 percent.

Eh, good. Irresponsibility flows from a lack of connection between action and consequence. The rickety structure we call the Modern Liberal Welfare/Nanny State is built on a foundation of obscuring this connection from the populace.

Anything that connects the action to the consequence is good for politics and good, generally, for the lost art of human thinking.

thanks to @jtlol.

Posted by: Ace at 02:54 PM | Comments (213)
Post contains 126 words, total size 1 kb.

1 Leaving for Colorado in 1 month! Escape from CA!

Posted by: cornedmutton at January 24, 2013 02:55 PM (DNHQA)

2 The rickety structure we call the Modern Liberal Welfare/Nanny State is built on a foundation of obscuring this connection from the populace. The entire Liberal Mind is based on the avoidance of specificity and handwaving.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 24, 2013 02:56 PM (QupBk)

3 Let. It. Melt.

Posted by: SteelDude at January 24, 2013 02:56 PM (JVEmw)

4 In another dimension, California has governor Walker and WISCONSIN is the fucked up state. I am so fucked. First Jerry Brown, then Huell Howser croaks, now this...

Posted by: CAC at January 24, 2013 02:57 PM (GdFam)

5 I'm sure the Republicans are to blame....

Posted by: Scanner Dan at January 24, 2013 02:57 PM (h5CN9)

6 Perhaps we Clownifornians can burn hemp in the power stations. Lots of that here.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at January 24, 2013 02:58 PM (Lxw+T)

7 And really, that's the think that I hate about trying to argue with a modern liberal. I remember when liberals were smart, misguided perhaps, but smart. You could argue facts and quantities. Their spiritual descendants are soft idiots. As you've noted Ace, everything is feelings and wishing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 24, 2013 02:59 PM (QupBk)

8 Good.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 02:59 PM (UOM48)

9 But but the sun and wind are FREEEEEEEEEEEE! The super duper preezy for life told me so.

Posted by: weird flunky at January 24, 2013 02:59 PM (tlhtD)

10 CAC, if you had a dollar for every Recall Walker sticker I still see on cars in Madison, you would have enough money to rent a U-Haul and get out of there. Add in the Feingold Stickers that are inevitably on the ar as well, and you can probably hire movers.

The only thing Liberals like more than winning campaigns is losing campaigns.

Posted by: Scanner Dan at January 24, 2013 02:59 PM (h5CN9)

11 but our budget is balanced!

//Jerry Moonbeam Brown!

Fuck 'em...

they keep chasing the unicorn they need to crash.

Hopium is a horrible drug.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:00 PM (LRFds)

12 Clearly energy costs are skyrocketing due to the ready availability of high capacity magazines. Ban them!

Posted by: Libs unclear on the concept at January 24, 2013 03:00 PM (6TB1Z)

13 I used to sort of put my faith in LIB. Now the improvement in the housing market, combined with Ace's ghastly post below about the media, sort of makes me think EVEN THIS is a hopeless strategy. So what are we left with? SMOD

Posted by: Cricket at January 24, 2013 03:00 PM (DrC22)

14 LiFB

Posted by: toby928© standing astride the path of history and saying Let It Burn at January 24, 2013 03:00 PM (QupBk)

15 OMG. This is O/T, but the Japanese have invited "cat ear headbands that move according to your emotions."

Just saw it on Fox.

Speechless.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 03:00 PM (UOM48)

16 Perhaps we Clownifornians can burn hemp in the power stations. Lots of that here. Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at January 24, 2013 06:58 PM (Lxw+T) Don't give them any ideas that will make my medication go up in pri I mean that's silly and a waste of resources.

Posted by: CAC at January 24, 2013 03:00 PM (GdFam)

17 invited = invented.

Jeez. Off to dinner.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 03:00 PM (UOM48)

18 33% ,, pikers . I think they should shoot for 100% . My mom and two sisters need a little pain with their leftism . Because , fairness .

Posted by: awkward davies at January 24, 2013 03:01 PM (USjX1)

19 In the last couple of years we have lost our power more often and for longer times here in Virginia, and Appalachian Power has had to shut down several coal fired generators around here. So now our power has to come from longer distances, thus more of a chance of something getting fucked up. Thanks Barack!!!

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 24, 2013 03:01 PM (Zd/NW)

20 Could we fuel the furnaces with sequels and reality shows? Hollywood makes thousands of them. It would be a shame to let them go wasting.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at January 24, 2013 03:01 PM (Lxw+T)

21 Mark Steyn once described liberalism as shielding people from the consequences of their decisions.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 24, 2013 03:01 PM (UypUQ)

22 I didn't vote for this shit and I can't leave.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 24, 2013 03:01 PM (NzBQO)

23 Fucking Romney.

Posted by: toby928© standing astride the path of history and saying Let It Burn at January 24, 2013 03:01 PM (QupBk)

24 Soak the blue states.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 24, 2013 03:02 PM (X/+QT)

25 For all the money CA/Feds throw at renewable energy, CA could just burn the cash in a furnace and produce more efficient, effective, cheaper power.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 24, 2013 03:02 PM (eHIJJ)

26 Nice place to visit , wouldn't want to live there... HA !

...AND THEY LAUGH AT US HERE IN FLY OVER COUNTRY ! ....

Posted by: American Dawg at January 24, 2013 03:02 PM (trA4n)

27 Look in germany energy costs up 61%....

in england seniors are burning fucking library books to keep warm because of power costs...

the fucking policy does not work and we have a SHITLOAD OF COAL TO SELL!

FUCK I HATE THESE PEOPLE

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:02 PM (LRFds)

28 in england seniors are burning fucking library books to keep warm because of power costs... I think I saw that movie.

Posted by: toby928© standing astride the path of history and saying Let It Burn at January 24, 2013 03:03 PM (QupBk)

29 lost art of human thinking. ha

Posted by: Flounder at January 24, 2013 03:03 PM (Kkt/i)

30 >>>5 I'm sure the Republicans are to blame.... Well of course it is. If only you mean, stupid Rethuglicans would die and stop getting in the way of our plans to build a perfect society, this would not be happening!

Posted by: Moonbeam Starburst Fleckstein at January 24, 2013 03:03 PM (gCa4h)

31 Or maybe it was a bank robber burning the money to stay warm.

Posted by: toby928© standing astride the path of history and saying Let It Burn at January 24, 2013 03:03 PM (QupBk)

32 Well look at the fine print on the rate increase, Truly I say unto thee and thine it is Mexifornia...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 24, 2013 03:03 PM (x59Gv)

33 At some point, don't you think you've had enough power?

Posted by: Lord Barack the Fuck Up at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (F6KtL)

More Brownhouse gas emissions today in the Golden State, courtesy of our Governor. He even quoted from 16th century philosophers and Irish poets.

Hooray!

I'm out as soon as possible.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (9rQXv)

35 If I could find a job in the Milwaukee burbs, I would move to Wisconsin in a heartbeat with the Mrs. Wisconsin is the one bright flame for the GOP in the last 2 years. They held their line, they suffered few losses, their approval is up, the state's budget is balanced, the tax rebates will be flowing outwards and Walker enters 2014 with few viable challengers. I cannot put into words how much I wish R's didn't abandon the Golden State. If we had a half-competent party here they would be gearing up for 2014 to knock 5 congressional Democrats out- CA-36 CA-52 CA-24 CA26 CA-3 all went barely blue with Obama on top. But, see, this is a stupid place.

Posted by: CAC at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (GdFam)

36 This report neglected to take into account the diminished demand for energy due to high speed rail and magic.

Posted by: Govenor Jerry Brown at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (4cRnj)

37 Maybe we can save power by converting everyone's AC outlets to bipolar 5VDC. Of course you'll need 25 USB cables to run your plasma TV.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (Lxw+T)

38 Here's what will happen: This will be spun as a victory for the Environment, the increase, a noble sacrifice, as it were, Jerry Brown with his legs crossed sitting on a Gucci mat, and the press will help. They will applaud and spin and Paul Krugman will stroke his pussy. Game over. (Did I say my name was actually Eeyore?)

Posted by: Cricket at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (DrC22)

Well didn't Barack - or was it Michelle - say that we couldn't heat or cool our houses to any temperature we wanted?

Ya gotta love that Fundamental Transformation. I want everybody to get it good and hard.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (BJVEF)

40 meh.. California deserves it.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (DGIjM)

41 22 Adam Smith's invisible Pimp Hand,

it sucks I'm sorry.....

maybe we can help you move and I am not kidding....Run red

Art V kill this monster and run your states better.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (LRFds)

42 Not good for me. Finances are pretty tight.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 24, 2013 03:04 PM (q177U)

43 Well Amigos, me sooo horny too pay bigger bill, me pay long time ,...you likey?

Posted by: Clemenza at January 24, 2013 03:05 PM (x59Gv)

44 39 LGoPS,

yeah well ideally I'd like to be watching from outside their Political Control.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:05 PM (LRFds)

45 Ah hello! A 33% government funded offset subsidy is the obvious and most cost effective solution to this problem! duh Maybe a 33% tax on the light bills of the evil gun clingers. Win Win.

Posted by: weird flunky at January 24, 2013 03:05 PM (tlhtD)

46 No wait, it was the unfrozen bank robber offering the future travelers, with his dying breath, a bar of gold in exchange for a drink of water.

Posted by: toby928© standing astride the path of history and saying Let It Burn at January 24, 2013 03:06 PM (QupBk)

47 I'm starting not to care if people break laws in this state. More of this crap and I'm going to turn into a real life Captain America villain.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 24, 2013 03:06 PM (NzBQO)

48 I'm going to stick it out here till the bitter end in California, but it's going to get a wee bit painful.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 24, 2013 03:06 PM (q177U)

49 Does fire really burn coal?

Posted by: Joan Walsh, Editor Non-Editor of Salon at January 24, 2013 03:06 PM (F6KtL)

50 @ 42 look at the people you pay their share for, section 8 , free phones WIC card holders free schools it is all in the shit samich

Posted by: Clemenza at January 24, 2013 03:06 PM (x59Gv)

51 Cause and Effect? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:06 PM (CHnHn)

52 "human thinking."

Yeah, like I need to think. I obey Obama, therefore I am.

Posted by: Obamabot who goes the extra bootlickin' mile at January 24, 2013 03:06 PM (eP0u9)

53 If we had a half-competent party here Swinging Jeebus in a lampshade, the GOP here can't even find a liquor store, much less hold a party.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at January 24, 2013 03:07 PM (Lxw+T)

54 The boning continues. Unless you have no income and receive assistance which allows you to grow pot.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 24, 2013 03:07 PM (Mj6r9)

55 35 CAC,

CAC they are wrecking the formerly best economic state in the union....

forgive me but if your California Free Shit Army Unicorn Wrangler Expeditionary Militia can't be taught and votes straight race I can't reward that

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:07 PM (LRFds)

56 Hence the need for gun bans , right Ms. Feinstein ?

Posted by: awkward davies at January 24, 2013 03:08 PM (USjX1)

57 From Fox: Wind farms in Pacific Northwest paid to not produce. Wind farms in the Pacific Northwest -- built with government subsidies and maintained with tax credits for every megawatt produced -- are now getting paid to shut down as the federal agency charged with managing the region's electricity grid says there's an oversupply of renewable power at certain times of the year.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 24, 2013 03:08 PM (DGIjM)

58 yeah well ideally I'd like to be watching from outside their Political Control.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 07:05 PM (LRFds)

I know sven. I spoke out of anger and don't really want all that called down on our heads. Although I hear libtards burn really well and release a lot of heat. Especially the fat ones.

Nyuk, nyuk.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 24, 2013 03:08 PM (BJVEF)

59 I'm starting not to care if people break laws in this state. Well, the federal government certainly gave up caring four years ago at the least.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at January 24, 2013 03:08 PM (Lxw+T)

60 We've been pounded enough by the government

Posted by: Everyone's Moronic Buttholes on Ace of Spades at January 24, 2013 03:08 PM (F6KtL)

61 >>>I'm starting not to care if people break laws in this state. More of this crap and I'm going to turn into a real life Captain America villain. ROTFL!!!

Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 24, 2013 03:08 PM (q177U)

62 Being Kalifornia ,
I'm sure all they have to do is Pray naked to Gaia,
Kiss 3 snails and re-arrange some rocks in a geometric
pattern to correct these problems...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 24, 2013 03:09 PM (trA4n)

63 51 MUMR,

no problem...it's heard of you...hey on a more serious note Art V bust it up....we should sell the illrgal aliens er "bestest most noble Americans" and the African imports Barry I the Scoamf are importing on ART V.

They have no idea what it is but when we tell them it will destroy white power it'll be great...

They'll vote for it in a sec and we'll break the nation up.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:09 PM (LRFds)

64 Reality. How does it fucking work?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 24, 2013 03:09 PM (+z4pE)

65 It's not going up for minorities, is it? Because that would be racist.

Posted by: Moonbeam Starburst Fleckstein at January 24, 2013 03:09 PM (gCa4h)

66 Other things of which I've never heard: The October Revolution The Soviet Union The Comintern The Berlin Wall The Korean War The Aftermath of the Vietnam War The Cold War The Fall of the Berlin Wall What h*llholes Red China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba are. What Communism did to Russia's economy (and culture). Etc.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:09 PM (CHnHn)

67 Damn those greedy lower classes whom this affects most.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 03:10 PM (4c71i)

68 33% is a only good start. We promised 300%.

Posted by: Necessarily Skyrockets at January 24, 2013 03:10 PM (ndlFj)

69 I'm still waiting for the first state to go 10th Amendment, and refuse both federal largess and federal mandates.

Posted by: toby928© standing astride the path of history and saying Let It Burn at January 24, 2013 03:10 PM (QupBk)

70 Does that increase take into account the ban on 100 watt light bulbs? Because if it does, this years should go up even more now that 75 watt bulbs have been banned.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 24, 2013 03:10 PM (Zd/NW)

71 Foolish Mortals! Don't you know that the Fed will merely print more to buy more California bonds so as to disguise the consequence of their folly. You know one of the great things about obama being reelected*? We keep the Ben Bernake and the printing presses going full speed ahead. * he may have cheated a tad and therefore not really reelected.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 24, 2013 03:10 PM (QxSug)

72 1 Leaving for Colorado in 1 month! Escape from CA!

Posted by: cornedmutton at January 24, 2013 06:55 PM (DNHQA)

From what I hear...(sister lives in Denver)...they're not far behind....

The alpha locusts have already established a colony there and are busy turning it into a Progressive/Liberal/Socialist shithole...

Posted by: Portnoy at January 24, 2013 03:10 PM (A5Abh)

73 It's fucking called cause and effect. Look it up Cali.

Posted by: Reality at January 24, 2013 03:11 PM (F6KtL)

74 Every day at Pavillions or Rite Aid or someplace here in SoCAl I got a panhandler hittin me up for dough, or a charity organization, some needy cup, well after almost 2 decades of all this Bs I have no empathy..sorry fresh out...I give in the plate on Sunday the rest is mine....

Posted by: Clemenza at January 24, 2013 03:11 PM (x59Gv)

75 Pray naked to Gaia, Kiss 3 snails and re-arrange some rocks in a geometric pattern No, that's what we do plan high-speed rail.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at January 24, 2013 03:11 PM (Lxw+T)

76 Pull my finger

Posted by: the invisible hand at January 24, 2013 03:11 PM (QupBk)

77 69 Toby 928th,

welcome to texas...

Barely kidding, if some serious person could convince Perry to go Xth and then ignore Federal mandates and regs on drilling and refining it will resolve shit quick

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:12 PM (LRFds)

78 remember grey out davis? The left blamed Texas for increasing the cost of juice flowing to California. There's always someone to blame.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 24, 2013 03:12 PM (QxSug)

79 OMG. This is O/T, but the Japanese have invited "cat ear headbands that move according to your emotions." Just saw it on Fox. Speechless.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 07:00 PM (UOM4

Was it this?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/cc2jk6f

Saw 'em at CES. Looked a little awkward to wear, but could definitely trigger some rage if on a cute girl.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 03:12 PM (NmR1a)

80 My condolences to the California morons
But for the rest of them - eh, let it burn

Posted by: chemjeff at January 24, 2013 03:12 PM (cnS/d)

81 We've had an increase in sticker crime here in cali. People stealing car tags to avoid getting their car smogged. It happened to me, someone took my tag while I was at the mall. I was angry at first, got a replacement from the DMV that I had to pay for. After about a week I thought, no I don't blame them, good for whoever took that tag.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 24, 2013 03:13 PM (NzBQO)

82 welcome to texas... Texas is the one I nominate to go first, then La and Oklahoma.

Posted by: toby928© presents at January 24, 2013 03:13 PM (QupBk)

83 >>>Of course you'll need 25 USB cables to run your plasma TV.

Plasma TVs are illegal in California.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 03:13 PM (0q2P7)

84 78 JoeInDC,

That is actually when I realized that my engineer brother in law in Sandy is fucking insane and has gone native....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:13 PM (LRFds)

85 82 Toby 928th,

Don't laugh we need to start lobbying their states and saying we will migrate to them and do business....

Fuck it open talk of ART V and divorce...

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:14 PM (LRFds)

86 The Neko-mini thought controlled ears. And there is the thought-controlled cat-tail also. Neko-Maid may never recover. Nyah!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 24, 2013 03:14 PM (Mj6r9)

87 in england seniors are burning fucking library books to keep warm because of power costs...

Worked well in Germany in the last Century. Nobody had a care in the world about energy. Ah, Those were the days...

Posted by: Godwin's Lawyer at January 24, 2013 03:15 PM (ndlFj)

88 I promise, just the tip....open wide...

Posted by: GovernmentCock at January 24, 2013 03:15 PM (F6KtL)

89 California power cost necessarily need to skyrocket.

Posted by: Jug Eared Fucker at January 24, 2013 03:15 PM (VMcEw)

90 As states shift to cleaner, but more expensive energy sources and technologies, costs are going to rise. It's a trade-off. Are the benefits of cleaner, renewable energy worth the cost? I think so.

Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 03:15 PM (Hz1zc)

91 "I'm still waiting for the first state to go 10th Amendment, and refuse both federal largess and federal mandates." Given the number of states not playing Obamacare ball and telling the feds they're going to the state penn if they fuck around with guns, I'd say we're not too far. If these assholes can implement effective socialism like they have, we can implement effective secession.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 03:15 PM (4c71i)

92 "85 82 Toby 928th, Don't laugh we need to start lobbying their states and saying we will migrate to them and do business.... Fuck it open talk of ART V and divorce... Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 07:14 PM (LRFds) " Sometimes Leftists love divorce, sometimes Leftists hate divorce...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:15 PM (CHnHn)

93 This makes me fucking happy. Fuck em, I hope it goes up by 100%

Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 24, 2013 03:16 PM (++kZl)

94 Is it necessary to call this Necessarily Sky Rocketing necessarily?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2013 03:16 PM (aZ6ew)

95 Here is the brain controlled tail.
http://youtu.be/qvHcBq7UaY0

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 24, 2013 03:16 PM (Mj6r9)

As states shift to cleaner, but more expensive energy sources and technologies, costs are going to rise. It's a trade-off. Are the benefits of cleaner, renewable energy worth the cost? I think so.

---------------------

How was the government cock? Was it good? Did you swallow?

Posted by: GovernmentCock Survey at January 24, 2013 03:16 PM (F6KtL)

97 I wonder if we can get Bruce Willis to run for Cali governor this time?

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 24, 2013 03:16 PM (QxSug)

98 plasma TVs are illegal in california? wha?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 24, 2013 03:16 PM (cnS/d)

99 They should just facilitate the utility companies construction of a bunch of new power generating facilities to increase supply. That should bring the cost down.

Ha, just kidding. They should spend $300 bradillion dollars on a high speed train that goes from Turlock to Delano.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 24, 2013 03:17 PM (+lsX1)

100 "I think so. Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 07:15 PM (Hz1zc)" Think. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 03:17 PM (4c71i)

101 87 Godwin's Lawyer,

we give up the guns they are going to kill us on purpose.
Not directly like men or hard animals like the Bolzheviks either....

they will starve us and squeeze the power and try to make us CRAWL to them laughing while we stare at moutains of fucking energy that belong to US.....

I will either die, run, or win.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:17 PM (LRFds)

102 look, all we need is to get around to hiring those 100,000 teaches and making the rich finally pay some taxes and things will self correct

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 24, 2013 03:17 PM (QxSug)

103 "95 Here is the brain controlled tail. http://youtu.be/qvHcBq7UaY0 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 24, 2013 07:16 PM (Mj6r9) " Flash. It's still uninstalled. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:17 PM (CHnHn)

104 Liberals in the Bay Area love wood burning stoves, its all so very quaint. fuckin' libs in Mill Valley burn red cedar and doug fir but think coal-fired energy generation is evil?

Ban all wood stoves and open hearth fireplaces in Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo, Alemeda and Santa Clara counties.

Google "Lucas Ranch chimney fire" for a laff.

Posted by: 13times at January 24, 2013 03:18 PM (h6XiD)

105 "67 Damn those greedy lower classes whom this affects most.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 07:10 PM (4c71i)"

I'd prefer if the bureaucrats and do-gooders who are going to demand those lower classes get subsidies for free from "the government" were damned.

Posted by: Obamabot who goes the extra bootlickin' mile at January 24, 2013 03:18 PM (eP0u9)

106 Jordan, Why do you hate poor people?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 03:18 PM (4c71i)

107 Trust fund baby are you , Jordan ? Most folks round these parts pay hard earned money for their power . We can't fuckin' afford rate increases. In closing , eat a bag of dicks .

Posted by: awkward davies at January 24, 2013 03:18 PM (USjX1)

108 Just want to mention that the budget surplus here in Wisconsin is $484 million.

Posted by: Popcorn at January 24, 2013 03:18 PM (xwCKn)

109 Don't worry. Tax reform will make allowances for local (high) cost of living.

Posted by: Buddy PC at January 24, 2013 03:19 PM (jfUIE)

110 90 Whoredan,

You stupid fucking imbecile asshole retard fuckhead.

My ancestral homeland cousins are fucking freezing to death because of you fucks.

YOU are precisely why we need to divorce asshole.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:19 PM (LRFds)

111

69 I'm still waiting for the first state to go 10th Amendment, and refuse both federal largess and federal mandates.

There's a showdown brewing...

If a state is denied it's share of Federal tax dollars...for things like Roads and Medicaid...then, I think it's only a matter of time before that state says:

"No more Federal Taxes will be collected here. We will keep them and take care of our own."

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 03:19 PM (fH4X9)

112 Avoid the new thread. Maine trailer trash thread. Run for the hills!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 24, 2013 03:19 PM (Mj6r9)

113 As states shift to cleaner, but more expensive energy sources and technologies, costs are going to rise. It's a trade-off. Are the benefits of cleaner, renewable energy worth the cost? I think so. Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 07:15 PM (Hz1zc) The best energy sources are coal, oil, shale oil, shale gas, and natural gas. These hydrocarbon sources are high in power density and the by-products, carbon dioxide and water, are great for the environment. The "clean energy" you speak of is junk.

Posted by: eman at January 24, 2013 03:19 PM (tBnjP)

114 "107 Trust fund baby are you , Jordan ? Most folks round these parts pay hard earned money for their power . We can't fuckin' afford rate increases. In closing , eat a bag of dicks . Posted by: awkward davies at January 24, 2013 07:18 PM (USjX1) " He's way ahead of you. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:20 PM (CHnHn)

115 If the left could destroy a once great state like California, they can destroy EVERY state. Vigilance.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 24, 2013 03:20 PM (Vk2pI)

116 Power cost increase, mercury contamination from flouresent bulbs, 90+ billion dollar bullet train nobody wants or needs, Cal air resources board, illegal aliens, public employee unions... on ... an on .... yeah baby the fun is just starting

Posted by: ET at January 24, 2013 03:20 PM (YpjaN)

117 92 MUMR,

Guy I spent a lot of time while I was gone and busy doing serious thinking.

Plaintiff's exhibit one-Jordan...

they will kill us.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:20 PM (LRFds)

118 Heh. The wailing and gnashing of teeth when these people get their power bill will be music to my ears, much as it was when everybody got their new improved paycheck a couple of weeks ago.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 24, 2013 03:20 PM (+z4pE)

119 >>>Are the benefits of cleaner, renewable energy worth the cost? I think so.

Cleaner how exactly? Less CO2? Anyway whatever global ills you fear from your boogey man global warming, the catastrophic results of expensive energy will dwarf them 100 fold.

Mass exinctions, starvation, widespread poverty, environmental damage without check or measure. Inexpensive energy is one of a handful of things that keeps this planet from falling into fuckitall catastrophe.

I can't wait to take your tree bark soup.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 03:21 PM (0q2P7)

120

The Brits seem to be having the same problem in seeing the correlation between shutting down coal-fired electric plants and increased costs of power and heat generation. The wind turbines can't produce the power as cheaply as coal and now a lot of Brits are having to choose between heat and food.

Of course, the Leftist neo-Luddites are blaming the power companies for being greedy.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 24, 2013 03:21 PM (nYHk7)

121 "112 Avoid the new thread. Maine trailer trash thread. Run for the hills! Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 24, 2013 07:19 PM (Mj6r9) " Crikey!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:21 PM (CHnHn)

122 And then 60% of the population will be thankful for the government subsidies that make electricity affordable for them.

Posted by: CT Moron 2.1 at January 24, 2013 03:22 PM (Xf6HL)

123 106 Burn the Witch,

because there are too many and they breed too much and "clean energy!"

Never mind that the US environment is probably the best it has ever been including before we fucking got here.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:22 PM (LRFds)

124 Next up .. repeal of prop 13

Posted by: ET at January 24, 2013 03:22 PM (YpjaN)

125 "No more Federal Taxes will be collected here. We will keep them and take care of our own." Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 07:19 PM (fH4X9)" Effective secession baby.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 03:22 PM (4c71i)

126 120 RBC,

of course why the fuck won't they run at a loss....like wind is free man!

FUCKING ASSHOLE LEFTISTS NEED HUNG

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:22 PM (LRFds)

127

Why do Democrats hate the poor so much? We have abundant energy, enough to take of all our needs - without foreign oil for the most part. But the fucking communist Democrats would rather have the poor pay more for everything than to upset the radical environmentalists.

It's like having your country run by Chicken Little. With a fucking Hitler mustache.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 24, 2013 03:23 PM (BJVEF)

128 "117 92 MUMR, Guy I spent a lot of time while I was gone and busy doing serious thinking. Plaintiff's exhibit one-Jordan... they will kill us. Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 07:20 PM (LRFds) " Well, they might try. It's not exactly unprecedented...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:23 PM (CHnHn)

129

Why does Jordan hate poor people? I'm guessing a lot of those poorer people are Hispanic perhaps...? Why are you racist against them? Explain to a mother trying to keep her seven or eight kids warm in the winter time why she should feel good by paying more...or you can suck some government cock.

Posted by: GovernmentCock Survey at January 24, 2013 03:23 PM (F6KtL)

130 125 Burn the Witch,

pass a law stating it is against state law for businesses to autowithhold federal taxes...

Taxes by law are a personal liability.

FUCK THEM NO MERCY

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:23 PM (LRFds)

131 ... Are the benefits of cleaner, renewable energy worth the cost? I think so.

Of course, they don't actually let anyone make that choice, because if they did, every green company would fold due to their lack of cost effectiveness.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 03:23 PM (NmR1a)

132 119 Mike the Moose,

Run red brother...but if we can't separate from them I'll help you and we'll form gangs....

those neo-luddites are gonna pay

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:25 PM (LRFds)

133 "Of course, they don't actually let anyone make that choice..." Choice: It's just for killing unwanted babies.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 03:25 PM (4c71i)

134 >>>plasma TVs are illegal in california? wha?

You didn't know? Well I mean if you own one no one is coming to beat down your door. But selling new ones, no can do.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 03:25 PM (0q2P7)

135 86 The Neko-mini thought controlled ears. And there is the thought-controlled cat-tail also. Neko-Maid may never recover. Nyah!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 24, 2013 07:14 PM (Mj6r9)

Sacred honor compels me to ask - have you ever cosplayed your namesake, and would you incorporate the ears?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 03:26 PM (NmR1a)

136 Well, there goes the 1.4% cola I got on my SS and my military pay.

Posted by: Heltau at January 24, 2013 03:26 PM (Tp2Qu)

137 my lib sister live in LA, she thinks power costs go up because of corporate price gauging and "the man", not govt

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 03:26 PM (Dnbau)

138

How many of the above decided not to vote or to pull the lever for 0b0z0 thinking this was not coming?

This and the attempt to take all our guns/raise our taxes/dis the Cibstitution/pay for abortions (oh it's coming). 0b0z0 thinks he has a clear path to enact all of his leftwing/socialist/communist/fascist policies.

I just hope the Lord hasn't given up on us.

Posted by: Toronto Gal at January 24, 2013 03:26 PM (1akWV)

139 124 Next up .. repeal of prop 13

ugh.

Posted by: 13times at January 24, 2013 03:27 PM (h6XiD)

140 "135 86 The Neko-mini thought controlled ears. And there is the thought-controlled cat-tail also. Neko-Maid may never recover. Nyah! Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 24, 2013 07:14 PM (Mj6r9) Sacred honor compels me to ask - have you ever cosplayed your namesake, and would you incorporate the ears? Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 07:26 PM (NmR1a) " And what about sinplay and tanplay? :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:27 PM (CHnHn)

141

Liberals and their weapons grade hypocrisy...

They claim to be all for saving 'endangered species'.

But wind farms slaughter thousands of endangered species...like Bald Eagles...every year.

Liberals turn a blind eye to this slaughter.

But it is so bad...that Barky had to issue a Waiver to wind farms, for killing endangered species.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 03:28 PM (fH4X9)

142 136 Helatu,

Yeah wife is getting a raise of -4% when all is said and done.....

"welcome to BARACKAMERICA!"

and hey minorities and fuckhead idealists.....

fuck you I don't want to hear it....

you bought it to break it fuckheads

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:28 PM (LRFds)

143 Dis the Constitution --- sorry for the misspell

Posted by: Toronto Gal at January 24, 2013 03:28 PM (1akWV)

144 Behold the future for the rest of us too.(plus rolling blackouts!!)

Posted by: steevy at January 24, 2013 03:28 PM (9XBK2)

145 "142 Liberals and their weapons grade hypocrisy... They claim to be all for saving 'endangered species'. But wind farms slaughter thousands of endangered species...like Bald Eagles...every year. Liberals turn a blind eye to this slaughter. But it is so bad...that Barky had to issue a Waiver to wind farms, for killing endangered species. Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 07:28 PM (fH4X9) " Those endangered species have it coming. They're racists.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:29 PM (CHnHn)

146 Good grief the Alinsky solution to this problem is obvious. Power charges by zip code. Just use the average income to prorate the charge per kilowatt hour. Make it 10 times higher for the highest income districts, they can afford it.

Posted by: Agesilaus at January 24, 2013 03:29 PM (WaC5J)

147 137 thunderb,

yeah well great let 'em go full commie....

I don't care anymore it will just speed up the divorce.

Art V fuck these people.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:29 PM (LRFds)

148 You didn't know? Well I mean if you own one no one is coming to beat down your door. But selling new ones, no can do.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 07:25 PM (0q2P7)

That's news to me. Quick Google search only found something about minimum energy standards, which would affect non-LCD tech based TVs.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 03:30 PM (NmR1a)

149 We need you Snake Pliskin!

Posted by: teh Wind at January 24, 2013 03:30 PM (S880N)

150 >>>Run red brother...but if we can't separate from them I'll help you and we'll form gangs....

>>>those neo-luddites are gonna pay

I don't know that I'll be able to make it out in time. Living here in Cali* is like living in a socialist dreamland. It often sickens me.

*I've got family. Lots of it. Both sides.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 03:30 PM (0q2P7)

151 "The best energy sources are coal, oil, shale oil, shale gas, and natural gas." I'm a realist. I understand we'll be using all these sources for the foreseeable future. However, where possible, I'm supportive of cleaner sources, namely natural gas and nuclear power. Wind and solar can play their part (I use wind power.), but fossil fuels and nuclear power are our future. I live in a gas basin, and about half our county revenue comes from natural gas, so I'm particularly eager to see more and more gas power plants in place of coal.

Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 03:30 PM (Hz1zc)

152 144 steevy,

baked in the cake...

I wanred EVERYONE and showed them Giggles fucking policies and he barely lost this state IIRC...

fuck you stupid low interest voters

BURN IT ALL you will choose freedom or free shit you cannot have both and I do not want to be with free shit army anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:31 PM (LRFds)

153 >>>That's news to me. Quick Google search only found something about minimum energy standards, which would affect non-LCD tech based TVs.

Ummm yeah. Plasmas they're non LCD TV's. The ban was specifically aimed at them.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 03:31 PM (0q2P7)

154 Pbbbt. I can afford this. What are you all whining about?

Posted by: Samuel L. Jackson at January 24, 2013 03:32 PM (7xeJQ)

155 "151 "The best energy sources are coal, oil, shale oil, shale gas, and natural gas." I'm a realist. I understand we'll be using all these sources for the foreseeable future. However, where possible, I'm supportive of cleaner sources, namely natural gas and nuclear power. Wind and solar can play their part (I use wind power.), but fossil fuels and nuclear power are our future. I live in a gas basin, and about half our county revenue comes from natural gas, so I'm particularly eager to see more and more gas power plants in place of coal. Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 07:30 PM (Hz1zc) " Why do you discriminate against coal?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:32 PM (CHnHn)

156

145...Those endangered species have it coming. They're racists.

Or maybe they are conservative endangered species...

It's okay to kill conservatives.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 03:33 PM (fH4X9)

157 151 Whoredan,

no you're a control freak neo-luddite punk ass who does not care if he is destroying the poor as long as he can jerk off to Sierra Club material....

I crawled up from state aided poverty asshole...

I love capitalism and minimal intervention government BECAUSE I was poor...

of course your are ALMOST honest and admit you just love inflicting pain through regulatory fiat to get your preference cascade...

if your poor voters ever figure you out they will lynch you when it all falls apart

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:33 PM (LRFds)

158 I love to watch stupid libs follow their fantasies and bankrupt their own economies. I do feel sorry for any conservatives that are trapped in CA. I hope you can escape soon!

Posted by: carolina at January 24, 2013 03:34 PM (oyZpF)

159 "154 Pbbbt. I can afford this. What are you all whining about? Posted by: Samuel L. Jackson at January 24, 2013 07:32 PM (7xeJQ) " I've had it with these motherfucking Leftists in this motherfucking thread!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:34 PM (CHnHn)

160 155 MUMR,

because uh birds...ELEVENTY! hater!

because he wants to try to make the Earth a fucking laboratory environ and his area prefers gas....

this is why the union needs broken up so this fucking shit dies.

The EPA should not be picking winners and losers

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:35 PM (LRFds)

161

The only thing Barack had to do to bring communism here was to use a thesaurus and come up with a few words that describe communism without actually calling it that. Like "we all gain our independence collectively".

And the fucking half-educated lemmings that comprise half of this country voted for him and ridiculed those who said he is a communist.

Hope ya like that Fundamental Transformation. Right up your fucking ass.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 24, 2013 03:35 PM (BJVEF)

162 "156 145...Those endangered species have it coming. They're racists. Or maybe they are conservative endangered species... It's okay to kill conservatives. Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 07:33 PM (fH4X9) " Yes. It's ok to kill Conservatives. Because Conservatives are mean.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:35 PM (CHnHn)

163

I'm not clicking on that new thread.

Yuck.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 03:36 PM (fH4X9)

164 150 MikeTheMoose,

the time for choosing is coming....

these people do not give a fuck if you can work, or have energy....

they are who they are and they will crank the screws and break you onto the dole in perpetuity for no other reason than they have corrupted the machine to the point they can.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:37 PM (LRFds)

165 Ummm yeah. Plasmas they're non LCD TV's. The ban was specifically aimed at them.

First article I read claimed that some plasma sets could meet the hardest standard, so it's not quite a ban on plasma per se.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/03/california-tv/

But yeah, good ole' California, busy meddling with its industry while it has trouble paying its bills.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 03:37 PM (FzhYM)

166 "160 155 MUMR, because uh birds...ELEVENTY! hater! because he wants to try to make the Earth a fucking laboratory environ and his area prefers gas.... this is why the union needs broken up so this fucking shit dies. The EPA should not be picking winners and losers Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 07:35 PM (LRFds) " Socioeconomic engineering. Socioeconomic experiments and experimentation. Over, and over, and over.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:37 PM (CHnHn)

167 "163 I'm not clicking on that new thread. Yuck. Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 07:36 PM (fH4X9) " Cacocracy. Power to/rule by the worst elements.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:39 PM (CHnHn)

168 161 LGoPS,

Just be ready if your state won't fight to run to states that will and start over.

The GOP needs to encourage our side to get ready to take care of each other like a great depression has hit if need be.

Governors need to start cutting deals with employers to start producing if need be and we need to start using our state resources whether the feds like it or not.

They are trying to force us to kiss their red ring and I'd rather lose everything I have if need be not to.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:39 PM (LRFds)

169 I think we've now reached the point in the thread where Sven calls for political dissolution, and the end of America.

Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 03:39 PM (Hz1zc)

170

I'm a realist. I understand we'll be using all these sources for the foreseeable future. However, where possible, I'm supportive of cleaner sources, namely natural gas and nuclear power. Wind and solar can play their part (I use wind power.), but fossil fuels and nuclear power are our future. I live in a gas basin, and about half our county revenue comes from natural gas, so I'm particularly eager to see more and more gas power plants in place of coal.

=========

LOL. What a tool.

Posted by: My GF has big boobies at January 24, 2013 03:40 PM (F6KtL)

171 166 MUMR,

with Van Jones picking the music...

Van Jones is a fucking admitted communist and he is being mainstreamed.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:40 PM (LRFds)

172 What did I ever do to you, Jordan?

Posted by: Coal at January 24, 2013 03:41 PM (cnS/d)

173 "169 I think we've now reached the point in the thread where Sven calls for political dissolution, and the end of America. Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 07:39 PM (Hz1zc) " No. You've de facto done that, you stupid motherfucker.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:41 PM (CHnHn)

174 169 Whoredan,

I have not stopped.

America should die if the best it can do for its people is fuck them over and hold down their lifestyle you asshole.

You do not get it your side's overreach is justifying the end of the game.

And I am thanking you for it.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:41 PM (LRFds)

175 169 I think we've now reached the point in the thread where Sven calls for political dissolution, and the end of America.

Trying to get away from the liberal facists is the exact opposite of calling for the end of America.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 03:41 PM (FzhYM)

176 Jordan, *I'm* not the one who has the tiny dick. So don't take it out on me, bro.

Posted by: Coal at January 24, 2013 03:41 PM (cnS/d)

177

160...The EPA should not be picking winners and losers

The big winner is G-fucking-E.

GE makes those prop-swinging wind generators...which is old technology in the world of wind generation.

There are newer designs, using a Helix shape...that can take wind from any direction, and don't self-destruct from prop vibration.

The helix designs don't chew up birds, either.

But nooo...let's keep throwing money into maintenance-intensive old technology.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 03:42 PM (fH4X9)

178 >>>so I'm particularly eager to see more and more gas power plants in place of coal.

It's all about $/kWh there genius. And in the scheme of things it goes.

1. Natural Gas (If you can pipe it to you)
2. Hydro (Huge environmental impacts)
3. Coal

Your precious wind has huge environmental impacts on bird populations both local and migratory.
Your precious solar is the most costly of almost any method.
Your precious biomass is dirtier than coal.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 03:42 PM (0q2P7)

179 "171 166 MUMR, with Van Jones picking the music... Van Jones is a fucking admitted communist and he is being mainstreamed. Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 07:40 PM (LRFds) " Communism has always been mainstream. Communism is strength. Communism is peace. Communism is freedom.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:42 PM (CHnHn)

180 Later, all. God bless.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 24, 2013 03:43 PM (CHnHn)

181 Assault windmills.

Posted by: The Birds at January 24, 2013 03:45 PM (SUKHu)

182 172 What did I ever do to you, Jordan? You polluted Vallecito reservoir to the point where I can no longer eat the trout.

Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 03:45 PM (Hz1zc)

183 173 MUMR,

Every EO that has a surprise in it like a birthday cake, every "OH MY GOD MY HOURS GOT CUT! BUT FREE HEALTHCARE ELEVENTY!" is a pursposeful assault on our people that these fucks KNEW would break people's backs....

and the media his the impact with their bias, and our asshole GOP was so afraid of "RRRRAAAACCCCIIIISSSSTTT!" that they refused to look in the camera and say 'your healtcare fine doesn't care if you are from Mars this is ad policy coming they are trying to force you to ask for a Federal takeover."

"hey Solyndra matters twofold not only has he wasted billions but don't look now killing coal with no back up means there is not enough power and you will be paying more to get more brownouts....doesn't matter if you are democrat, Republican, or from Mount Olympus...but HIS power will be on..."

MUMR I used your nic and wrote the shit he should have been saying....

Our Federal government is the enemy of the American people's striving for a better life.

That is NOT hyperbole it is fact.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:46 PM (LRFds)

184 178 Mike the Moose,

That's all true and imagine how the power companies feel?

In the 80s the goddamned granola gurus demanded higher cleanliness standards for coal thinking they'd never get 'em well guess what they got 'em....

so now it was "not good enough GLOBAL WARMING!"

This is all a game to them and I'm tired of playing.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:48 PM (LRFds)

185 ...Sabatino, who shares his home with roommate Shawna Chickering, 30, said that Nile Â“lives two trailers over.Â”
--------------------
I kinda figured.

Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at January 24, 2013 03:50 PM (ay6+/)

186 oops - wrong thread

Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at January 24, 2013 03:50 PM (ay6+/)

187 There are newer designs, using a Helix shape...that can take wind from any direction, and don't self-destruct from prop vibration. The helix designs don't chew up birds, either. But nooo...let's keep throwing money into maintenance-intensive old technology.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 07:42 PM (fH4X9)

If this is the company you're thinking of, it looks like it crashed and burned like many other "green", "renewable", and "sustainable" (LOL!) energy companies.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/bba4hj3

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 03:52 PM (FzhYM)

188 >>>You polluted Vallecito reservoir to the point where I can no longer eat the trout.

I'm sure the abandoned mines near Vallecito(Durango) that used mercury for gold extraction had NOTHING to do with that.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 03:54 PM (0q2P7)

189 187 Conservative Monster,

I have a gag I am running....Mirror Universe John Boehner

I ahve one ah hell I'll just redo it...

"Hey you you on the couch...we had no idea you fucks thought that we can speend trillions upon trillions for free...YOU WANT FREE SHIT SEND IT IN! Uouu think you can get zero point energy from coca cola and mentos send me a prospectus in a self addressed stamped envelope and I will send you a quarter Billion dollars! Here at Crazy John's we'll fuck up any hope of a true recovery faster than Giggles because we cut out the middleman!"

//Mirror Universe John Boehner

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 03:56 PM (LRFds)

190 "Leaving for Colorado in 1 month! Escape from CA!"

From what I hear from conservative Coloradans, you may be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

Unfortunately, it seems that nowhere is safe, thanks to:

-- The illegal alien tidal wave; they are getting to be everywhere, and these days are voting illegally too

and

-- Idiot Commiefornians moving elsewhere because CA is broken, and then immediately voting in their new location for the same policies and philosophies that broke CA in the first place

It really is frustrating.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 24, 2013 03:57 PM (gqT4g)

191 -- Idiot Commiefornians moving elsewhere because CA is broken, and then immediately voting in their new location for the same policies and philosophies that broke CA in the first place

They ain't liberals because they're smart.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 04:01 PM (FzhYM)

192 191 Conservative Monster,

Yeah and thank God most states lack the damned ballot initiative.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 04:02 PM (LRFds)

193 Well, those are two different drainage basins so one doesn't really affect the other. Since mercury is found naturally, it's not possible to say just where it came from, but scientific consensus is the coal plants to the south. Atmospheric mercury tests support this conclusion. However, you're absolutely right that mercury (and arsenic, for that matter) from mine seeps is a major problem. Residents were recently warned not to let our dogs swim in the river because low flows have elevated the arsenic content to dangerous levels. Environmental groups in the area close a lot of portals every summer, but it's an uphill battle. There's an ongoing debate about the Feds declaring the area north and west of Silverton a Superfund site and doing a more comprehensive job.

Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 04:05 PM (Hz1zc)

194 "From what I hear from conservative Coloradans, you may be jumping from the frying pan into the fire." Our GOP has temporary personnel problems, but Colorado is a centrist state, for the most part.

Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 04:08 PM (Hz1zc)

195 193 Jordan,

Well thank God your workers' paradise model runs a clean environment....

hey you ever see your commie friends' record on the environment there sport?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 04:09 PM (LRFds)

196 194 Whoredan,

heh "yeah"...nah you locusts are devouring it and have declared war on Texas....

bad thing for you is I think the Red will run there in greater numbers.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 04:10 PM (LRFds)

197 Silly morons. A 33% increase? Obviously we'll just need a new welfare program to cover the FSA's increased bill. Relax. Phil Mickelson and his ilk will be paying for it.

Posted by: Fred at January 24, 2013 04:11 PM (1t4mr)

198 "bad thing for you is I think the Red will run there in greater numbers." Come one come all. Colorado is a great place to live, no matter your political persuasion.

Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 04:14 PM (Hz1zc)

199 i'd leave but..... the women. and the weather. and the green. the good kind.

Posted by: snoop dogg's index finger at January 24, 2013 04:18 PM (OqeDl)

200 >>>but scientific consensus is the coal plants to the south.

I love consensus. It's the only way shutdown industrial activity that left a high concentration of pollutants in the area can be exonerated in favor of persecuting power plants 100's (to thousands) of miles away. Don't worry Jordan. You've won. And you'll get everything you've voted for.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 04:22 PM (0q2P7)

201 scientific consensus

Such a funny word. Science isn't based on popular vote.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 24, 2013 04:24 PM (NmR1a)

202 "Don't worry Jordan. You've won. And you'll get everything you've voted for. " I certainly hope so.

Posted by: Jordan at January 24, 2013 04:25 PM (Hz1zc)

203 202 Jordan,

so do we the problem is you fucking Mexifornians want to drag the nation along for the ride...you are never content to fuck up just your nest.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 05:15 PM (LRFds)

204 That article says that in the next 7 years the cost will go up 13% because of renewables. Meh

Posted by: occam at January 24, 2013 05:25 PM (Qd6CS)

205 Are the benefits of cleaner, renewable energy worth the cost? I think so. Because you're a historically illiterate village idiot.

Posted by: toby928© presents at January 24, 2013 05:49 PM (QupBk)

206 That'll be great for all of the elderly people on fixed incomes that live there. Like my mother and step dad. It's not just liberals that live in that state and those who literally cannot fight against this BS are screwed even harder. I hate what the legislation and the moonbats have done to that state.

Posted by: tired at January 24, 2013 07:28 PM (adOUE)

207 Fuck! Me! AGAIN!!!

Posted by: Surfin Chikn at January 24, 2013 08:27 PM (T78xL)

208 Oh, but ABC GNUS said just today that the reason Californicate is in GOOD SHAPE financially is that its fine citizens voted for the tax increase in Prop. 30! [seriously, they did; I practically plotzed]

Now if all you rednecks would just get in line and bend over like good little subjects [they strongly implied], the WHOLE COUNTRY can be in good shape!!!

Posted by: beverly at January 24, 2013 08:36 PM (jp44S)

209 My electric bill is almost double from a year ago, so this raise should be fun! A friend of mine finally got solar last year b/c their electric bills with air con in a 2500 sq ft home were over $600 per month in the summer.

And it doesn't do any good to conserve, b/c then they say, oops, got to raise rates, we're losing profits! In CA they are guaranteed a certain percentage in profit. What a deal! And we have a surcharge already on each bill to help pay for power for the s-called poor (Dem clients)!

But Grampa Moonbeam says all is well so it's all good.

Posted by: pj at January 24, 2013 09:11 PM (ZWaLo)

210 I am stuck in CA for now...and at our staff meeting today we were told by a fellow employee who deals with stuff like this that my employer (a large, state-funded agency that shall remain unnamed for now) has been forced to spend millions and will spend millions more to continue to operate the same power plants they have operated for decades previously under the inane cap and trade idiocy.

Any he admitted that my employer does not even know where this money will go to...

Meanwhile, we get no raises again this year, our health care costs go up, and more layoffs are looming.

I felt like screaming in front of everyone present as I know that most of them vote Democratic each and every time, and when we had the chance to suspend crap and trade a few years back, I'm quite certain that most of them did not vote to do so...

So now we have the consequences...

Posted by: Jon at January 24, 2013 10:13 PM (ujtfN)

211 My guess as to what will happen: The wealthy leftist that are leading CA over the cliff won't care about electricity rates. Either they regard the extra money leaving their pockets as a noble sacrifice to Gaia, or they're to rich to even notice. The sacred poor won't notice, because they aren't paying their electric bills anyway. Who will notice are the middle class people who pay their bills and aren't wealthy. They're being driven into poverty by these idiotic policies- or at least out of CA. Leftist politicians have no reason to care, because those people tend not to vote left anyway. So essentially they get to build their green paradise on the backs of their political opponents. Neat trick, huh? There's no signal anywhere in this chain of events to tell them that they're fucking up so they see no reason to stop. Their problem is that reality doesn't go away, and eventually they won't be able to keep the lights on, despite the wonderful news stories about the saintly windmills and the wonderful cap-n-trade scheme. There just won't be enough money available to put into the system to keep it going. Too many people won't be able to pay $1000 a month or more, so they won't. They'll buy a generator and have electricity only when they absolutely need it, like in other third world countries. There won't be enough welfare money available to pay the bills for the swarming masses of poor people, so they're screwed too. The rich will be bled even more, but I suspect even wealthy leftists have limits. So the CA clowns are just sealing their own doom. Eventually even the moronic GOP will be able to win elections- but the solutions will be so obvious even the GOP won't be able to screw it up. Whee! I love being an optimist!!

Posted by: Xennady at January 24, 2013 11:06 PM (hP72L)

212 Yes, it's a third world county now, where life consists of either avoiding government or stealing from it.

Posted by: pj at January 25, 2013 08:34 AM (ZWaLo)

213 I live near Seattle and WWA has been totally transformed over the past 20 years by assholes from Kalifornia. Shit in their own nest got too deep, so they had to move... but did they have to continue shitting in the nest?

Posted by: Taco Tard's 3rd Testicle at January 25, 2013 05:04 PM (7h71Q)

Hide Comments | Add Comment | Refresh | Top

Comments are disabled. Post is locked.

177kb generated in CPU 0.143, elapsed 0.3238 seconds.
64 queries taking 0.2716 seconds, 341 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.