May 13, 2013
— Ace Out of 261.
This doesn't mean Gosnell has been found guilty on all other counts, only that they've agreed to verdicts -- including the possibility of "not guilty."
It's possible, for example, the jury has found that there wasn't enough evidence to convict on murder in two of the baby-slayings (say, if they evidence wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt regarding whether they were born alive). There could be one or more jurors resisting any murder charges for the "aborted" babies, even if the evidence is strong they were born alive; it might just be that the rest of the jury agreed with them on two counts, for insufficient evidence.
The judge will now holler at them some and remind them of their duty and tell them to work it out.
Why I Think This Is the Case: I think this way because if they were split 2-2 on guilty/not guilty for the baby murders, they would simply split the difference and present their verdict of 2 guilty, 2 not guilty. They would have still convicted him twice for capital murder; the third and fourth conviction are of less consequence after the first two.
So it's my guess what's going on is that the jury has agreed that on two deaths, there isn't enough evidence to say the baby was alive (and hence murdered), and then there are one or more jurors who are against imposing the verdict of guilty in these cases whatever the evidence.
So I think the fight is between those who want 2 guilty, 2 not guilty verdicts as to the baby murders, and those who want 4 not guilty verdicts for all of them.
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Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 13, 2013 07:48 AM (GEICT)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 07:50 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2013 07:50 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 13, 2013 07:52 AM (8emxS)
Because if there were more than two this is interesting (and would seem to imply to me that there's at least a single guilty verdict in there somewhere.) I find it hard to believe they'd find "not guilty" on a few and then get hung up on 2.
Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 07:53 AM (ULkyQ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 13, 2013 07:53 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 13, 2013 07:53 AM (GEICT)
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at May 13, 2013 07:53 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 13, 2013 07:53 AM (2up3Q)
Maybe they'll convict on some minor littering beef about washing organic waste down the drain or something.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 13, 2013 07:53 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: joncelli at May 13, 2013 11:51 AM (RD7QR)
I think 7 counts of murder.....but 3? were thrown out.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 07:53 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Big Ron at May 13, 2013 07:54 AM (G6kli)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 07:54 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Vic at May 13, 2013 07:54 AM (53z96)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 13, 2013 07:54 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Big Ron at May 13, 2013 07:55 AM (G6kli)
Posted by: USA at May 13, 2013 07:55 AM (VIaw0)
Posted by: Joethefatman
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Been there, done that. Being closeted with jurors is like being closeted with global warming believers.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 07:55 AM (aDwsi)
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Hollering at people is the most important skill you learn in law school. Well, that and creative billing.
Posted by: WalrusRex at May 13, 2013 07:55 AM (Hx5uv)
Of course, knowing Brako, if any Jury member votes "Guilty", they just might get a good look-see up the old financial squeekhole.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2013 07:55 AM (Z9VvT)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 13, 2013 07:55 AM (2up3Q)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2013 07:56 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Vic at May 13, 2013 11:54 AM (53z96)
-- Yep
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 13, 2013 07:56 AM (R8hU8)
How in the $%^# does the President of USA learn about IRS abuse from news reports?
In asking, you know the answer: he doesn't. But he can say that, and the Democrat-Media Complex will nod its collective head and move on to the next squirrel.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 13, 2013 07:56 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Megs McCain, junior goddess in training at May 13, 2013 07:56 AM (Wl7w+)
See also: Blago.
They had slam dunk evidence there, but amazingly there was one hold out. Who IIRC we later found out may have had a conflict or two.
Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 07:57 AM (ULkyQ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 07:57 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 13, 2013 07:57 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: kbdabear at May 13, 2013 07:58 AM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 13, 2013 07:58 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: The IRS at May 13, 2013 07:58 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 07:58 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 07:58 AM (9Bj8R)
***
When I first came to D.C. I couldn't find my way to the restroom. Today I can find my way to the re4stroom.
Posted by: Joe Biden Commencement Speaker at May 13, 2013 07:58 AM (Hx5uv)
obama is lying his ass off right now about benghazi
Well that's not news.
What, specifically, is he saying?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 13, 2013 07:58 AM (/PCJa)
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Because for the children
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 07:59 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 07:59 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Warden at May 13, 2013 07:59 AM (0DlnM)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 07:59 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: USA at May 13, 2013 07:59 AM (VIaw0)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:00 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 13, 2013 08:00 AM (WvXvd)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette channeling scrillary at May 13, 2013 08:00 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: USA at May 13, 2013 11:55 AM (VIaw0)
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What.... you think Valerie Jarrett tells him EVERY little detail???
Posted by: fixerupper at May 13, 2013 08:00 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 08:00 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:01 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: real joe at May 13, 2013 08:01 AM (FoqQT)
Dr. Gosnell is the Fred Phelps of abortion.
Except there's more than one Dr. Gosnell. And he's on trial for killing people.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at May 13, 2013 08:02 AM (2Oas0)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:02 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: real joe at May 13, 2013 12:01 PM (FoqQT)
Biden's a tad old for Sandusky's tastes.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 08:02 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 08:02 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Penfold at May 13, 2013 08:02 AM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: Pissed in Mississippi at May 13, 2013 08:02 AM (NcSi2)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 08:02 AM (XYSwB)
The TV in the breakroom is showing, instead of that lying jug-eared fuckstick, an episode of Laurel and Hardy dubbed in French.
I have to bring brownies for the IT guy with the remote.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 13, 2013 08:02 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Dianna at May 13, 2013 08:03 AM (manrL)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 13, 2013 08:03 AM (SY2Kh)
The jug eared motherfucker just informed the media that he expects them to ignore all transcripts and videotape of what happened in the Benghazi incident and accept the lies he just told them.
Posted by: jwest at May 13, 2013 08:03 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: USA at May 13, 2013 08:03 AM (VIaw0)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2013 08:03 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 08:03 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 08:04 AM (X6akg)
Press: Doctor Gosnell! Now that you've been acquitted, what's the first thing you're going to do?
Gosnell: First, I'm going to Geno's for a cheesesteak.
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:04 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Pissed in Mississippi at May 13, 2013 08:04 AM (NcSi2)
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Well, Hillary said it first. Something like like, "We won't rest until we have the video guy imprisoned."
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:04 AM (aDwsi)
This whole thing is sickening. I don't see how anyone on the jury (or anyone in the courtroom) can not be affected by the cruel barbarity that's been allowed to happen.
I just hope the prosecution hasn't spared any of the details. I hope there are plenty of pictures and videos for the jury to see.
And I hope Gosnell gets punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 13, 2013 08:04 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 08:04 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: toby928 at May 13, 2013 08:05 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 08:05 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 13, 2013 12:03 PM (SY2Kh)
--- That is usually the case but I think this jury's intent is a little bit easier to discern
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 13, 2013 08:05 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: King Solomon at May 13, 2013 08:05 AM (SO2Q8)
Both Benghazi and the IRS scandals are merely political and its the Republicans fault.
I'll give him credit, he's daring the MSM to do its job.
He keeps this up and even the Dems will have to walk over to the White House to have "the talk."
Posted by: H Badger at May 13, 2013 08:06 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 08:06 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 13, 2013 08:06 AM (P7hip)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:06 AM (wbmaj)
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Like they did with Fast and Furious, Obamacare, Pigford etc. ad naseam.
Posted by: WalrusRex at May 13, 2013 08:06 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 11:50 AM (aDwsi)
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People are not hung. They are hanged. Then again Gosnell might not be human.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2013 08:07 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at May 13, 2013 12:00 PM (tWmgi)
How about, "because fuck you, honky!"? It worked for OJ.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 13, 2013 08:07 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 08:07 AM (XYSwB)
my only thought on your logic is, if there's two cases where there's not enough evidence, wouldn't they be able to fairly easily reach that conclusion for all 4? (The evidence was pretty much of equal distribution IIRC.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 08:08 AM (ULkyQ)
Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2013 08:08 AM (FcR7P)
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That's how little you know about Mike.
Posted by: Mrs. Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:08 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 08:08 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 13, 2013 08:09 AM (ybkwK)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 08:09 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: RWC at May 13, 2013 08:09 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: polynikes at May 13, 2013 08:09 AM (m2CN7)
Press: Mr. President! Mr. President! Do you know the correct pronunciation of Prague?
Jug Ears: Of course----Prawg E Stahn
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:10 AM (wbmaj)
This president is the pettiest man the White House has ever seen.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 13, 2013 08:10 AM (YTstp)
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Tami..., nicely played.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:10 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: kreplach at May 13, 2013 08:10 AM (iy7de)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at May 13, 2013 08:11 AM (fzFF6)
53How in the $%^# does the President of USA learn about IRS abuse from news reports?
Posted by: USA at May 13, 2013 11:55 AM (VIaw0)
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Honest Injun, he never learned a thing about it from us.
Posted by: MSNBC at May 13, 2013 08:11 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 08:11 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2013 08:11 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: USA at May 13, 2013 08:11 AM (VIaw0)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:11 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Dianna at May 13, 2013 08:11 AM (manrL)
Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at May 13, 2013 12:00 PM (tWmgi)
Unfortuately, Because Philly is all the answer most of the residents of Philly require. He's one of ours; hence, let him walk.
Posted by: joncelli at May 13, 2013 08:12 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: maddogg at May 13, 2013 08:12 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 13, 2013 08:12 AM (ybkwK)
Posted by: Thunderbird at May 13, 2013 08:12 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: RWC at May 13, 2013 08:12 AM (fWAjv)
Obama likes to relax and receive a nice, stress relieving BJ before a presser.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 13, 2013 08:13 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at May 13, 2013 08:13 AM (ZWvOb)
I always go back to the same question: If the babies were not alive, what was the reason to sever their spinal cords? What, did Gosnell and his merry band of ghoulish staffers just want to be REALLY SURE those babies weren't going to get up and walk to the bus stop, so they killed them again? Is that what I'm supposed to believe? Did they have to MAKE SURE the babies were dead and couldn't spontaneously regenerate like Doctor Who?
Whatever the verdicts in this case, I'm sure I'll rage stroke at least once. Probably multiple times.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorirst) Party Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at May 13, 2013 08:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:14 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at May 13, 2013 08:14 AM (fzFF6)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2013 12:13 PM (GVxQo)
Heh. I went with what I had promised. The second meeting was Saturday with the one I thought was more fun.
Posted by: maddogg at May 13, 2013 08:15 AM (OlN4e)
"Earthquake Recorded Near Prague"
http://kfor.com/2013/03/06/small-quake-shakes-prague/
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:15 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 08:15 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: eleven at May 13, 2013 08:16 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at May 13, 2013 08:16 AM (CdeLs)
Posted by: Pissed in Mississippi at May 13, 2013 08:17 AM (NcSi2)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2013 08:17 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 08:17 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: eleven
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Hmm. I kind of doubt that, Gosnell probably isn' a big donor the way that Marc Rich was to Clinton.
On the other hand, I do expect Teh JEF to pardon Bradley Manning, because patriot.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:18 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 13, 2013 08:18 AM (HDgX3)
If you were being serviced in a private bungalow by your man servant when the call came down, you'd have the "fog of war" too.
Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2013 08:19 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 08:19 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 08:19 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 13, 2013 08:20 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 13, 2013 12:18 PM (HDgX3)
I'm thinking you make up your mind early to consider the many small counts as a block and then consider each of the murder counts separately. That's the outcome I think we'll get: guilty on a bunch of small counts, hung jury on the murder counts.
Posted by: joncelli at May 13, 2013 08:20 AM (RD7QR)
FIFY.
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Good point.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:21 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Dianna at May 13, 2013 08:21 AM (manrL)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 13, 2013 08:21 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Y-not at May 13, 2013 08:21 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:22 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 13, 2013 08:22 AM (+x8q5)
Posted by: huerfano at May 13, 2013 08:22 AM (bAGA/)
I've noted this before, but spine severing (and/or cervical dislocation) is a common "assurance of death" approach to animals in animal research (especially mice and rats).
Since we don't exactly break out EKGs and PulseOx machines, with some of our common methods we're not 100% sure we've actually killed the animal (rather than just reducing it's respiration down to unperceptible levels), so we pop their necks.
To be honest, this is likely where Gosnell got the idea for it. But you're right it does point to the idea that he wasn't actually sure they had died which by itself is pretty damned disturbing.
Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 08:22 AM (ULkyQ)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorirst) Party Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at May 13, 2013 08:23 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Typical Juror at May 13, 2013 08:23 AM (ymYNL)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:24 AM (wbmaj)
is that supposed to be a case of ,"just to be sure"?
Posted by: willow at May 13, 2013 08:24 AM (nqBYe)
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Well, I have transferred my pang of sympathy from Prague to Prague. I was wondering why you folk had not acknowledged all of the aid I sent..
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:24 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2013 08:25 AM (0vgKd)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 08:25 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: mindful webworker and the secret chamberpot at May 13, 2013 08:25 AM (Ynbgq)
You know what, I am done. Fucking done. If 12 LIV can't convict a man for stabbing an infant in the back of the neck, I really don't give a flying fuck about the direction of our country. Let it burn. Fast.
Posted by: Lauren at May 13, 2013 08:25 AM (wsGWu)
Is this guy fucking serious?
He went to sleep and his SoS Clinton ignored repeated requests for assistance.
Combined they mad no rescue efforts. In fact the evidence shows they actually either obstructed those efforts or called for a stand-down.
They edited talking points to delete any reference to the real cause- terrorism.
They colluded to obscure the facts and reality. In an election period.
Four murdered Americans who could have been saved had people taken action is not a "sideshow". It was a preventable tragedy dickhead.
Posted by: Marcus at May 13, 2013 08:26 AM (1oIQZ)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at May 13, 2013 12:22 PM (ULkyQ)
Right? So at teh very least wouldn't he be guilty of Conspiracy to Commit Murder in those instances? The intent was expressly to "ensure fetal demise."
But I guess it comes back to the question of whether a fully-formed baby that's aborted in a "late stage" term -- an illegal act -- is really a baby at all.
Sometimes my hatred of people is so strong that I hate MYSELF for feeling that way.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorirst) Party Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at May 13, 2013 08:26 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: USA at May 13, 2013 08:27 AM (VIaw0)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:27 AM (wbmaj)
In inner-Philly, you simply are not going to find ANY twelve individuals willing to convict an abortionist for performing 'abortions'. Under any circumstances.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 13, 2013 08:27 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at May 13, 2013 08:27 AM (qk1L5)
"I take it there was/is no federal basis upon which to prosecute Gosnell? Not that they'd be interested, of course"
They could prosecute under the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act or the Partial Birth Abortion Ban. Problem is neither carry significant jail time, but hey, might as well. He's old, and there are so many victims.
Posted by: Lauren at May 13, 2013 08:28 AM (wsGWu)
Right, the MSM have been busily reporting this.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:28 AM (aDwsi)
Were any of his victims black? If so, you'd think black jurors wouldn't go the "he's black so I'll vote not guilty" route.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 13, 2013 08:29 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:29 AM (wbmaj)
159if the babies weren't born alive how can one account for snipping the infants necks?
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I couldn't figure out how to nuke them from orbit
Posted by: K. Gosnell MD at May 13, 2013 08:29 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 08:29 AM (piMMO)
I bet the family members of the dead would disagree (as well as any with a conscious). What an inconsiderate, loathsome, narcissist.
Posted by: dogfish at May 13, 2013 08:30 AM (nsOJa)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 13, 2013 08:30 AM (ZKzrr)
Anyone who watched that FNC special about Gosnell should feel pretty good about that bastard never seeing another free day for the rest of his life.
The special was only an hour and was brutal. I imagined, while watching it, sitting in that jury box and listening to all the gory details and viewing many more photos than what FNC showed.
There's no way he walks.
AND.... when they are done with him on local charges, he still has to face the federal charges for running a pill mill.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 12:29 PM (piMMO)
You're stronger than I am.....I couldn't watch it.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 08:31 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 08:32 AM (piMMO)
Obama just called Benghazi "a sideshow".
"Did not! I called the quibbling about the TALKING POINTS a sideshow. Let's not bicker and squabble about who killed who, eh? It's in the past, a long time ago, and honestly, what difference does it make now? They're dead and they ain't getting any less dead by prolonging the investigation. Amirite?"
- Preezy McFuckstick
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorirst) Party Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at May 13, 2013 08:32 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2013 08:32 AM (C8mVl)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2013 08:33 AM (T0NGe)
AND.... when they are done with him on local charges, he still has to face the federal charges for running a pill mill.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 12:29 PM (piMMO)
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I guess one can dream, huh? Again, the verdict is going to bring outrage.
Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2013 08:33 AM (0vgKd)
To make that statement you'd have to assume that he is completely isolated from any decision making process generally associated with POTUS...which I could actually believe (figurehead), but he was such a prissy little prick in that presser I just want a media hell unleashed on him.
Posted by: H Badger at May 13, 2013 08:33 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2013 12:32 PM (C8mVl)
First step on the road to the White House, bitches!!
Posted by: Kermit Gosnell, MDish (D-PA) at May 13, 2013 08:33 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 08:34 AM (piMMO)
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Like all Dem strongholds, it is dying on the vine. Exceptions, of course, are the Progressive/Elite spots like Seattle, Portland, San Francisco. Birds of a feather flock together, and the monied elite gather at such spots and keep them afloat. It can only last so long. Even SF is developing some cracks. If it ever looses its status as a destination for tourists, I suspect it will sink.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 08:34 AM (aDwsi)
Another conservative organization is demanding an explanation from the Internal Revenue Service (IRC) in the wake of last weekÂ’s admission that the federal agency targeted Tea Party groups for selective scrutiny. The National Organization for Marriage (NOM), a non-profit group that has helped lead national opposition to same-sex marriage, said Monday that its confidential tax information was leaked by the IRS last year to a liberal pro-gay group.
NOM officials say the pro-gay group Human Rights Campaign, whose president Joseph Solmonese was co-chair of ObamaÂ’s re-election campaign, got the confidential information from someone at the IRS and then handed it over to the Huffington Post, whose founder is a wealthy ally of Democrats.
http://tinyurl.com/cpzfs8l
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 08:34 AM (X6akg)
My understanding of this case is that he killed live babies in some cases and in most of the other he is charged with performing illegal late term abortions far past the allowable date.
I never could finish reading the news reports though. They made me want to throw up.
Posted by: Vic at May 13, 2013 08:35 AM (53z96)
- Preezy McFuckstick
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorirst) Party Hobbit at May 13, 2013 12:32 PM (4df7R)
Did he also say, I am not a crook?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 13, 2013 08:35 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 13, 2013 08:36 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2013 08:37 AM (8D0/R)
Well I'm not a lawyer, I'm a scientist turned bioethicist.
But I'll say this much. This is the sticky wicket about the moronic nature of these laws. IF the baby did in fact die in utero, than it seems to me that under the law he performed an "illegal 3rd trimester abortion." If the baby was born (i.e. came out), then it's infanticide.
It's a boundary that makes 0 sense philosophically, or legally IMHO. (Well not so humble on the former.)
But that's the dividing line we're stuck with in this post Roe world.
When I'd "euthanize" mice, I had 0 evidence that they were still alive. In fact I had lots of evidence to the contrary. And I don't think I ever had a single mouse come back. The jury may be making that argument behind closed doors ("well they were more likely than not dead prior to being born."). Now in my world that's still f'ing murder, just at a prior time point (before the snipping.) But apparently not in Philly.
What is the penalty I wonder for illegal 3rd trimester abortion? It seems to me you can't find "not guilty" on both the murder or the 3rd trimester thing (outside of pure nullification) it's either A or B in this case.
Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 08:37 AM (ULkyQ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2013 08:37 AM (9Bj8R)
Right, the MSM have been busily reporting this.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 13, 2013 12:28 PM (aDwsi)
Obammy making this statement means one of two things:
A) If it's not true (it's not) then it means he just flat out lied to the MFM and the American people (all six who bothered to tune in).
OR
B) If it's true (it's not, but if it is) then it means he has absolutely zero interaction with or knowledge of the workings of his administration. In that case, he is almost criminally incompetent and grossly derelict in his duty.
Either one of these should be cause for serious castigation in the MFM. But the MFM is not serious, so there will be no castigation whatsoever.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorirst) Party Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at May 13, 2013 08:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: H Badger at May 13, 2013 12:33 PM (n/0Nw)
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Why do you think they had that secret meeting just before the pressor last Friday? It was the dress-rehearsal for today.
Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2013 08:39 AM (0vgKd)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 08:39 AM (piMMO)
Rabid Weasels in the Basement update:
My dogs are cowards. They refused to go downstairs with me...damn ingrates. We'll just see if I ever buy either of them a squeaky toy again.
I didn't find anything out of the ordinary in the basement, either. Window is now closed, fixed with wood screws to prevent it being opened again, ditto the external screen.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 13, 2013 08:40 AM (0IhFx)
Posted by: waldo at May 13, 2013 08:40 AM (sXWmd)
Wait? They have beer in Hell?
might not be so bad then....
Posted by: Paladin at May 13, 2013 08:41 AM (hxLER)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 08:41 AM (piMMO)
Then again, there might be some stress-eaters there as well.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 12:39 PM (piMMO)
I'd need serious psychological help if I were on that jury after listening to all the testimony.
Scratch that....I'd never have been selected in the first place.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 13, 2013 08:42 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 13, 2013 08:42 AM (ZKzrr)
Because all crimes are local, and Barry resides in a cocoon of adoring media pathics.
Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2013 08:44 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 08:46 AM (piMMO)
Sigh....it took all night to d/l Neverwinter. Now that it's running, it has to patch.
But....any minute now! Fingers crossed!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 13, 2013 08:47 AM (0IhFx)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 13, 2013 08:48 AM (piMMO)
punk v a'hole cop after a sports game. We split the charges, but kinda wish we'd applied a little more burden of proof and said not guilty on both. Something happened, we couldn't be sure what. Word of a cop still better be believable. And it wasn't even a big crime, but someone's fate was in our hands.
Good lesson that even the best trying their best can only judge humanly. But we must.Posted by: mindful webworker and the cracked teacup of justice at May 13, 2013 08:51 AM (ktPHV)
might not be so bad then...."
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All the beer you can drink. Literally. All the beer you can drink.
Plus demon rape.
Posted by: Kensington at May 13, 2013 08:59 AM (ymYNL)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 13, 2013 09:11 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Lauren at May 13, 2013 09:15 AM (wsGWu)
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