October 23, 2013

Report: Obama To Extend Individual Mandate Deadline
— DrewM

It begins with a reported 6 week delay in the deadline to buy Obamasurance (why not?).

But it was not immediately clear Wednesday whether the adjustment to a cornerstone of the Affordable Care Act would need to be approved by Congress or could be done by the Department of Health and Human Services administratively.

As the law stands now, individuals are expected to begin the application process via HealthCare.gov by Feb. 15 to avoid a financial penalty. But under the prospective change, individuals will be expected to have started enrollment by March to avoid incurring the penalty.

Last week only extremists who probably should be charged with sedition believed in delaying anything about the ACA, now it's going to be official Obama administration policy.

The reaction from the GOP should be interesting. Will they support this (rhetorically, no way Obama goes to Congress for this) or will they insist that Obama live by his words of the last few months.

Here's the administration's veto statement on the employer and individual mandate bills the House passed (pdf).

. House passage of
H.R. 2667 and H.R. 2668 will undermine this security for tens of millions of Americans with pre-existing conditions.

H.R. 2667 is unnecessary, and H.R. 2668 would raise health insurance premiums and increase the number of uninsured Americans. Enacting this legislation would undermine key elements of the health law, facilitating further efforts to repeal a law that is already helping millions of Americans stay on their parents' plans until age 26, millions more who are getting free preventive care that catches illness early on, and thousands of children with pre-existing conditions who are now covered.

Now, a little more than a week after the end of the shutdown over delaying these very provisions, Obama is going to do it himself.

The reaction of the GOP will be interesting. Will they use this as a chance to show the American people that the federal government simply can not do everything for them or will they simply say give them power so they can deliver goodies in a more effective way?

Yeah.

Update:


What seems to have happened is that while the open enrollment period runs through the end of March, you had to buy insurance by the middle of February to avoid the tax/penalty. So you could have purchased insurance during the designated time period and still not have complied with the law.

Believe it or not, no one realized how stupid this was until a week or so ago. So what the administration is saying is as long as you buy a policy before the end of the first open enrollment period (Oct 1, 2012-March 31, 2014) you won't be penalized.

It's not so much a delay as confirmation that this bill was poorly drafted and no one really understands what's in it.

Posted by: DrewM at 03:40 PM | Comments (326)
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1 The latter.

Duh.

Posted by: cool arrow at October 23, 2013 03:41 PM (WMsq+)

2 So let it be written. So let it be done.

Posted by: Pharobama at October 23, 2013 03:41 PM (WLywR)

3 O my.

Posted by: Lt. Sulu at October 23, 2013 03:41 PM (/C6Mj)

4 Pathetic...worse than admitting failure and delaying it. I imagine Senate and House Dems are thrilled they get to campaign with it around their necks.

Posted by: jjshaka at October 23, 2013 03:42 PM (prmsv)

5 Things are THAT bad. Oh, my.

Posted by: Jack at October 23, 2013 03:42 PM (gWHwW)

6 Damn you, Ted Cruz! 

You were prematurely correct.

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at October 23, 2013 03:43 PM (5fSr7)

7 Smartest guys in the room.

Posted by: Jack at October 23, 2013 03:43 PM (gWHwW)

8 >>> Last week only extremists who probably should be charged with sedition believed in delaying anything about the ACA, now it's going to be official Obama administration policy. You're not surprised, are you? Pro tip: stock up on chocolate.

Posted by: Winston Smith at October 23, 2013 03:46 PM (AynnL)

9 You stomped on our thread!

Posted by: The Dildoheads at October 23, 2013 03:47 PM (Dwehj)

10 I feel like willow.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 23, 2013 03:47 PM (lVPtV)

11 I like pantsuits.

Posted by: Sandy Berger at October 23, 2013 03:48 PM (Oi60j)

12 6 weeks probably isn't going to be enough.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2013 03:49 PM (zqvg6)

13 Don't try and "improve" ObamaCare, it's an all or nothing proposition.

Either get it at full strength or repeal it, there's no middle ground.  The GOP should not allow Obama to "mend" this shit sandwich.

Posted by: Jeepers at October 23, 2013 03:49 PM (XDRsa)

14 Lean Forward! 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 23, 2013 03:49 PM (lVPtV)

15 It's settled law!

Posted by: Every Democratic strategist on cable TV at October 23, 2013 03:50 PM (29vnO)

16 Boehner should be encouraging the entire caucus to deliver 10 minute speeches on this...


No letting up....  1 year delay or nothing.  removal of penalties.... highlight all those who lost coverage this fall, highlight all that lost hours....

it's so easy, anyone but a RINO could do it...


we're so screwed

Posted by: phreshone at October 23, 2013 03:50 PM (Pr6hk)

17 >>> I feel like willow. I could say something, but you would reach through the screen and slap me.

Posted by: fluffy at October 23, 2013 03:51 PM (AynnL)

18

It's like eating a shit sandwich, but now you can put pepper on it...

 

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at October 23, 2013 03:53 PM (vHRtU)

19 Think of the worst possible response by the Republican's, now imagine that response on fire and falling off a cliff into a vat of acid. Their actual response will be worse.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 23, 2013 03:55 PM (gedHR)

20 Little nostalgia moment: remember back in the old days of the Republic, when the Congress made and changed laws and the Executive enforced them....

Posted by: MTF at October 23, 2013 03:56 PM (B+HTd)

21 Turns out red lines don't mean any thing. Who knew?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 03:56 PM (aDwsi)

22 16
It's like eating a shit sandwich, but now you can put pepper on it...



Yum!  It's really good with extra paste!

Posted by: Special Joe at October 23, 2013 03:56 PM (lVPtV)

23 the shit sandwich now comes with thinly sliced cheese that looks like toilet paper.

and re 5: there's nothing wrong with doing what your opponents want after they lost, provided the right people lost.

Posted by: mallfly at October 23, 2013 03:56 PM (bJm7W)

24 Laws?   Laws only apply if democrats like them.

Posted by: Yip at October 23, 2013 03:57 PM (/jHWN)

25 18 Little nostalgia moment: remember back in the old days of the Republic, when the Congress made and changed laws and the Executive enforced them....

Posted by: MTF at October 23, 2013 07:56 PM (B+HTd)




Yeah.  *heads to liquor cabinet to kill liver*

Posted by: Special Joe at October 23, 2013 03:57 PM (lVPtV)

26 Not just dishonest, but also insane:

@HealthCareTara
This is is not a mandate delay. Deadline for having insurance is March 31. Don't believe everything you read on twitter.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 23, 2013 03:57 PM (MDh08)

27 Ack.  Die, Special Joe.

Posted by: Special Joe at October 23, 2013 03:57 PM (lVPtV)

28 Sooner than I expected, but it's time for a little walk down memory lane... Ted Cruz's push to delay Obamacare makes him... "a laughingstock" -- Hary Reid "racist" - Chris Mathews "incompetent" - R. King a "fool" - J. McCain.

Posted by: LASue at October 23, 2013 03:58 PM (gjIQF)

29 C'mon, the Dildohead discussion was fun. 

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 23, 2013 03:58 PM (ixf9H)

30 Is the GOP really this stupid? Sadly, yes.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 23, 2013 03:58 PM (0LHZx)

31 Obama's a racist teabagger because only racist teabaggers support a delay -- or at least that's what the MSM/Left told me two minutes ago when Obama was against it...

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 23, 2013 03:58 PM (KL49F)

32 Hey. Fuck you guys. That was like a whole week ago or something. It's not dumb when we do it! Suck it terrorist tea baggers!

Posted by: DEM MFM at October 23, 2013 03:59 PM (ixf9H)

33 Anyone watching the World Series? I think they just did a flyover.

Posted by: fluffy at October 23, 2013 03:59 PM (AynnL)

34 Little nostalgia moment: remember back in the old days of the Republic, when the Congress made and changed laws and the Executive enforced them....

Posted by: MTF at October 23, 2013 07:56 PM ...............Hey, we'll decide when and how we do shit around here minion.

Posted by: DEM MFM at October 23, 2013 04:00 PM (ixf9H)

35 >>> 14 Boehner should be encouraging the entire caucus to deliver 10 minute speeches on this...


No letting up.... 1 year delay or nothing. removal of penalties.... highlight all those who lost coverage this fall, highlight all that lost hours....

it's so easy, anyone but a RINO could do it...


we're so screwed

Posted by: phreshone at October 23, 2013 07:50 PM (Pr6hk)


Yep. The only thing that's funny about this is the GOP really did call O's bluff on this, but since the MSM will spin like schizoids, it probably doesn't matter.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 23, 2013 04:00 PM (KL49F)

36 Who cares about the penalty delay if you can't buy insurance no matter how hard you try? On another subject, there were three Medal of Honor recipients on the field, including the most recent, during the World Series pregame ceremony.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:01 PM (MpP9p)

37 So who has the book on whether this will be the only delay?

Posted by: Jimmy the Greek at October 23, 2013 04:02 PM (1O46M)

38 2015 - Ex-Pres. Obama, when asked about the flight of professionals from the medical field says, "No one told me..."

2020 - Ex-Pres Obama when asked about the soaring cost and deficit as a consequence of Obamacare replies, "No one told me..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:02 PM (aDwsi)

39 It's a good thing we surrendered so quickly.  Otherwise the GOP may have had to deal with a victory.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 23, 2013 04:02 PM (uhAkr)

40 Yeah. *heads to liquor cabinet to kill liver*

Posted by: Special Joe

 

RINO!

 

*heads to liquor cabinet to kill liver even more*

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 23, 2013 04:02 PM (GJc4d)

41 No World Series thread? Why, that's unAmerican.

Posted by: Donna V. sez go cards at October 23, 2013 04:03 PM (R3gO3)

42 Bring Obama in before congress and have every single question begin with referencing his shutting down the government to prevent a delay.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 23, 2013 04:03 PM (NmCiK)

43 @17 - You owe me a new monitor.  LMAO

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 23, 2013 04:03 PM (4qdsJ)

44 The word from the Hill is that John McCain is considering another term because after 40 years of making an ass of himself in congress and not being smart enough to be an effective lobbyist, he'll be lost out on his own.

Posted by: Fritz at October 23, 2013 04:03 PM (TKFmG)

45 Just made a manhattan

Posted by: Yip at October 23, 2013 04:03 PM (/jHWN)

46

Note the "successes" idiotically claimed by the WH press release (funny, this "list" was tossed off almost verbatim by some cretinous "journalist" being interviewed by Hugh Hewitt today).

 

"Children" of 26 staying on parents' plans?  WTF?  They aren't children, and the rational choice for them and for society is to have minimal catastrophic plans, which would be CHEAP if health "insurance" were actually insurance.

 

Pre-existing conditions.  Some welfare programs are both noble and sustainable (very few).  Any pre-existing condition bullshit is welfare, not insurance (OK, play with high-risk pools etc. all you want, but do not call wealth transfers and welfare and subsidies anything other than that.  And again, if the insurance industry were allowed to attack this problem instead of jump to the idiotic whistles of the do-gooders (including many "conservatives") then there probably would be cheaper solutions.

 

Preventive care.  First, in a non-strangled health care market simple preventive care would be much cheaper, easily within reach of most, easily subsidized for the reast.  Second, so-called preventive care does NOT end up saving much money or changing health outcomes as people think.  Studies have shown a rather pronounced lack of financial improvement, in fact. 

 

So, that's nice.  We've got lots of un-facts and lots of nonsense being touted as "successes" for this catastrophic law.  Par for the course in today's dumbed-down, greedy, ignorant, rudderless, one-party America.

 

Posted by: non-purist at October 23, 2013 04:03 PM (afQnV)

47 > GOP really did call O's bluff on this,< bah humbug it was cruz and lee

Posted by: newrouter at October 23, 2013 04:03 PM (dsgCY)

48 There are no terrorist attacks on the JEFs watch There is no delay

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:04 PM (zOTsN)

49 Still not buying it you Kenyan Kensian Basted.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:04 PM (ujMoa)

50 Lean Forward!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 23, 2013 07:49 PM (lVPtV)

 

Until you`re completely bent over (our Highness I mean).

Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 23, 2013 04:05 PM (uOxBm)

51 You know how I previously said I would not foul your mouth, and that even thinking about doing so would be the most irresponsible and destructive thing I could do? Yeah, sorry about that.

Posted by: wooga at October 23, 2013 04:05 PM (DYQTd)

52 Someone tell the pubs never let a good crisis go to waste

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:05 PM (zOTsN)

53 So who is stoopid now?  If Cruz and Lee had not fought their fight.. O-Care would have rolled out and failed and the Prezit would have announced he was stepping up to delay it.   Hmmm.   Seems to me, the MSM and donks went waaaaay out of their way to defend and demonize and after the part of the GOP us conservatives have to tollerate folded... ACA fails. 

I don't see the downside for small-Govt' conservatives.  I really don't.

Posted by: Yip at October 23, 2013 04:06 PM (/jHWN)

54 Think of the worst way the republicans could respond and count on the republicans to do it.

Posted by: rabidfox at October 23, 2013 04:06 PM (Gejy0)

55 Don't make me read Green Eggs and Ham again.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at October 23, 2013 04:07 PM (ujMoa)

56 Posted by: phreshone at October 23, 2013 07:50 PM (Pr6hk)

I would add too, the full Vitter Amendment.

With people out there already feeling the sting of this, it would be a small token to show that one party still thinks that the people (Congress, staffers, Exec branch employees) who make shitty laws shouldn't get to escape them.

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 04:07 PM (/C6Mj)

57 Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 08:02 PM (aDwsi)

You'd damn well better hope he's the "ex-president" by then.

Posted by: creeper at October 23, 2013 04:07 PM (1O46M)

58 Release the Cruz

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:07 PM (zOTsN)

59 40 Bring Obama in before congress .... Posted by: Buzzion at October 23, 2013 08:03 PM (NmCiK) -------------------- They can't summon him. That is one element of a parliamentary system that I wish we had. Having the POTUS blather to Congress once a year at the State of Union address is fine, but I wish Congress could call him in for questioning regularly. Our reps, not the MSM, should be the ones grilling him.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 23, 2013 04:08 PM (dfYL9)

60 I'll take run-on sentences for $500....   Sorry about 51 rons..  takes drink

Posted by: Yip at October 23, 2013 04:08 PM (/jHWN)

61 Anyone else think Ted took notes when Putin was doing his thing?

Posted by: Lester at October 23, 2013 04:08 PM (qTsuK)

62 Make the Park Service shut down the Easter Egg Roll.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:09 PM (ujMoa)

63 WH sent out a Tweet ". 3 words about Obamacare .It's.The.Law." with a pucture of Obama's signature on the bill.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2013 04:09 PM (zqvg6)

64 Release the Dildoheads!

Posted by: The Dildoheads at October 23, 2013 04:09 PM (Dwehj)

65 Obama will fold on an extension, and he will be lauded as a 'compromiser', a dynamic man.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:09 PM (aDwsi)

66 Whatever tepid support ObamaCare has is purely the result of one feature: doing "something" about pre existing conditions.  That is what is touted over and over because everybody has that family member that's had something like cancer and nearly gone bankrupt.

The GOP passing something to deal with this real problem could have saved the nation a lot of headaches, even if it wasn't a pure free market solution, I would rather have a government solution for 3% of the population than put 100% of Americans into socialized medicine.

Posted by: Jeepers at October 23, 2013 04:09 PM (XDRsa)

67 Last week only extremists who probably should be charged with sedition believed in delaying anything about the ACA, now it's going to be official Obama administration policy. Exactly. Now we should let them choke on their own words. Do NOT let them delay the mandate. Choke on it cock suckers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:09 PM (UbDLm)

68

Prolonging the torture.

Posted by: wth at October 23, 2013 04:10 PM (wAQA5)

69 I saw the Dildoheads open for Cream, Butler Univ. 1968

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:10 PM (aDwsi)

70 So just how serious is the news that the Saudi's are cutting us off now??  For realzies or just a bluff?   ...

Posted by: Yip at October 23, 2013 04:10 PM (/jHWN)

71 The Code is the Law.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:10 PM (ujMoa)

72 "The reaction of the GOP will be interesting."

Well, since the GOP did its best to trample to conservatives who led this fight while Boehner, McConnell and the rest of the DC GOP "leadership" scrambled desperately to find the fastest way to cave, um... no, it will merely be predictable and pathetic.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at October 23, 2013 04:10 PM (qvify)

73 Yes Jeepers I am sure they would have settled for that Not

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:10 PM (zOTsN)

74 Repubs should hold a big press conference once this is finalized and say "we won!" Also talk about how big a mess 404Care is and how it is devastating real families. But they won't because they are stupid.

Posted by: LizLem at October 23, 2013 04:11 PM (43C0x)

75 Or go along with delaying the mandate but ONLY if the congressional subsidies are also shit canned and all members of the Executive Branch and the Cabinet are forced into obamadeath

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:11 PM (UbDLm)

76

I say O Care is the law of the land and as we have witnessed over the last month the Administration does not want any part of this program delayed.

 

 

Posted by: Registered voter at October 23, 2013 04:11 PM (d0+yW)

77 So just how serious is the news that the Saudi's are cutting us off now?? For realzies or just a bluff? ...
Posted by: Yip
------------------------

John Kerry says that it sin't so..., he just had dinner the other night with Saudi chief towel.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:11 PM (aDwsi)

78 So just how serious is the news that the Saudi's are cutting us off now?? For realzies or just a bluff? ... Posted by: Yip at October 23, 2013 08:10 PM (/jHWN) Serious. An indication of how obama and his commie incompetent ilk have allowed the Middle East to devolve into chaos

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:12 PM (UbDLm)

79 Or go along with delaying the mandate but ONLY if the congressional subsidies are also shit canned and all members of the Executive Branch and the Cabinet are forced into obamadeath Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 08:11 PM


What does Congress have to do with it?  Barry will issue an edict and it will be done.

Posted by: huerfano at October 23, 2013 04:12 PM (bAGA/)

80 >>> So just how serious is the news that the Saudi's are cutting us off now?? For realzies or just a bluff? ... Who cares? We have oil, we have sand, we have Americans who don't know how to act in public.

Posted by: fluffy at October 23, 2013 04:12 PM (AynnL)

81 *Turns up NPR* Shut up you wingnuts!

Posted by: The Dildoheads at October 23, 2013 04:12 PM (oFCZn)

82 The IRS tried to modernize their computers systems since 1968. It never happened. Even though they are. Still trying. An IRS appeals officer must look at about 7 different systems to see what is going on in a taxpayers case. So the idea that scoamfware can integrate with just one agencies' unintegrateable software makes me say...oh yeah...put the popcorn on.

Posted by: Carlos F. Danger at October 23, 2013 04:12 PM (hemD9)

83 68 There's about $11 between WTI and North Sea Brent. The Saudis control the price of oil  in the Fourth Reich only.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:12 PM (ujMoa)

84 I love golden showers with my hooch.

Posted by: John Boner at October 23, 2013 04:13 PM (MnSla)

85 Six weeks?  Yea, go with that.  Hard.

More sage wisdom from Brook's The Mythical Man Month: "Take no small slips".


Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 23, 2013 04:13 PM (l5zzX)

86 Don't make me read Green Eggs and Ham again.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at October 23, 2013 08:07 PM.........OK. How about the Dildohead Sisterhood Instruction manual? It's got some pictures too, but you might not want to see them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 23, 2013 04:13 PM (ixf9H)

87 Or go along with delaying the mandate but ONLY if everyonethe congressional subsidies are also shit canned and all members of the Executive Branch and the Cabinet are  is forced into obamadeath

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:13 PM (aDwsi)

88 Oil prices going down We will be buddies as soon as the JEF uses the EPA to crush private production

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:13 PM (zOTsN)

89 el-oh-el! Democrats are taking laps around the Republicans. Republicans need a six-run-rule like they do in little league so the kids aren't humilated.

Posted by: soothie at October 23, 2013 04:13 PM (f/s0F)

90 The IRS tried to modernize their computers systems since 1968. It never happened. Even though they are. Still trying. An IRS appeals officer must look at about 7 different systems to see what is going on in a taxpayers case. Well most of us think that is a good thing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:13 PM (UbDLm)

91 Man, this really a bummer for the "establishment" surrender caucus. If Mike Lee was right all along about 404Care, that'll make a primary from the left a lot harder. What's a McVain to do!

Posted by: MTF at October 23, 2013 04:14 PM (B+HTd)

92

Ted Cruz, 3x chess?

 

I`m with Tami- Go Cards

Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 23, 2013 04:14 PM (uOxBm)

93 I predict the lame-o's in the Senate will suddenly think the delay is the most awesome idea evah! Future McCain quote: I lurvs me some Obamacare delay when the Democrats propose it and not that koo-koo mexican Cruz.

Posted by: The Bourbon in Boehner's Belly at October 23, 2013 04:14 PM (CRY7r)

94 Pubs can say what they want What will Cruz say/do?

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:15 PM (zOTsN)

95

but I wish Congress could call him in for questioning regularly. Our reps, not the MSM, should be the ones grilling him.

Good lord, that would be like watching a red-headed retarded step-child get smacked around.

Funny and necessary, but mildly painful at times.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 23, 2013 04:15 PM (GJc4d)

96 I should have brought a Mariachi Band to the filibuster.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at October 23, 2013 04:16 PM (ujMoa)

97 >>>So just how serious is the news that the Saudi's are cutting us off now?? For realzies or just a bluff? ...
Posted by: Yip at October 23, 2013 08:10 PM (/jHWN)<<<

Serious enough that SCOAMF has Reggie Love over there helping to limber us his back for the epic bowing that will be needed as penance...

Oh, wait, that's not why he helping, it's just a typical Wednesday.

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 04:16 PM (/C6Mj)

98

Jeepers, exactly - but not sure what the hell the GOP alone has to do with this.

 

Pre-existing conditions, ipso facto, are not "insurable".  Anything "done" about them will be a transfer payment (cough cough), welfare.  Fine.  An actual safety net, the sort almost everyone supports, and which can be implemented in a sustainable and non-destructive way, is exactly this sort of thing.

 

Guvamint can "help" only insofar as it (1) gets out of the way in terms of fedeal tax code and federal regulation and state-level regulation that makes all health care much more expensive than needed, incl. that for serious chronic conditions (2) enables extraordinary measures such as cooperation/semi-cartel behavior by insurers in collaboration with feds/states to set up high-risk pools.

 

So Jeepers, let's take your incredibly tiny focus and make it more serious by applying it to the ENTIRE law:  why the fuck does taking care of comparatively limited issues for a small minority of the populace justify wholesale destruction or massive inflation in the rest of the already strangled market-place?

 

Posted by: non-purist at October 23, 2013 04:16 PM (afQnV)

99 that koo-koo mexican Cruz

He's not Mexican. He's Peruvian.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at October 23, 2013 04:17 PM (Dwehj)

100 Never happen. Can't make the JEF appear. There are rules against bullying

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:17 PM (zOTsN)

101 I don't always deny things.
But when I do you can be sure I'm lying.

Posted by: Worlds Most Interesting Man at October 23, 2013 04:17 PM (WGm5T)

102 71 Yes Jeepers

I am sure they would have settled for that


Not Posted by: Thunderb

They wouldn't have "settled" but it would have taken the wind out their sails. 

They took a small, but real problem and basically put the whole nation on government healthcare over it.

Posted by: Jeepers at October 23, 2013 04:17 PM (XDRsa)

103 He's not Mexican. He's Peruvian. But he was born in Venezuela, right?

Posted by: The Bourbon in Boehner's Belly at October 23, 2013 04:18 PM (CRY7r)

104 94 I should have brought a Mariachi Band to the filibuster. Posted by: Ted Cruz at October 23, 2013 08:16 PM (ujMoa) With guitar cases full of guns?

Posted by: wooga at October 23, 2013 04:18 PM (DYQTd)

105 94 I should have brought a Mariachi Band to the filibuster.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at October 23, 2013 08:16 PM (ujMoa)


Or Rush.


Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 04:18 PM (MnSla)

106 >>> There's about $11 between WTI and North Sea Brent. The Saudis control the price of oil in the Fourth Reich only Persian Gulf oil is a mixed bag of quality and OPEC countries lie their asses off about production levels. That's why WTI and Brent are the important benchmarks.

Posted by: fluffy at October 23, 2013 04:18 PM (AynnL)

107 That's nuts Jeepers They have had a boner for health care for decades. It was a done deal as soon as he was elected

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:19 PM (zOTsN)

108 ...doing "something" about pre existing conditions.
They need to be in high risk pools who are subsidized if necessary. This exists in many states and worked pretty well.
The intent of the entire scheme was to cancel cheaper policies that didn't make a high enough profit margin and raise rates as high as they dared on everyone. They paid for his election. Twice. When the scheme was hatched the economy was tootling along, but with a recession/depression now going on five years the explosion of premiums, deductibles, and co-pays is going to tip the economy into a meltdown with the amount sucked out of disposable income. It is a rolling disaster.

Posted by: Lester at October 23, 2013 04:20 PM (qTsuK)

109 Never Get Caught Between Scissoring Dildoheads

Posted by: wooga at October 23, 2013 04:20 PM (DYQTd)

110 Just as some infamous general (forget who) came up with a euphemistic re-definition for "retreat" as "strategic repositioning," Obama will euphemistically re-define "delay the mandate" as "extended care pathway."

Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2013 04:20 PM (+cx5n)

111 My blood pressure is down for some reason. Laying around and eating seems to be working.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:21 PM (ujMoa)

112 Oh I forgot to add to my further describing the dildoheads. Their Volvo's, Prius, and Subaru's all have at a minimumfour bumper stickers, it's in their contract. All Dildoheads must have the following bumper stickers on said approved Dildohead mobiles. 1) Coexist. 2) Obama, (Any variant of hope and or change will be accepted) 3) I support NPR 4) No justice, no peace.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 23, 2013 04:21 PM (ixf9H)

113 obama was not so much elected as he was erected. As in 'built' by the Media and a political party and placed upon a pedestal like an idolic statue.

Posted by: soothie at October 23, 2013 04:22 PM (f/s0F)

114 Terry Gross is one smoking hot piece of ass. -Empire of Jeff She looks like Dwight Schrute just coming out of the camps.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 23, 2013 04:22 PM (sByIH)

115 WH sent out a Tweet ". 3 words about Obamacare .It's.The.Law." with a pucture of Obama's signature on the bill.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2013 08:09 PM (zqvg6)

 

Heh.  So was the Fugitive Slave Act and posterity has quite rightly damned the Dred Scott decision. 

 

The juiceboxers in the White House and the MFM have zero knowledge of history.  All those dullards think is. "Who cares? That was like a hundred years ago."

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 23, 2013 04:22 PM (Ud9dC)

116

Oh, and the wholesale destruction of private insurance (already massively and indefensibly burdened by the absurd WWII-era Office of Price Control tax provision subsidizing company plans) will not be affected one whit by any delay.

 

The millions who have lost private insurance (or will decline to pay the equivalent of a mortgage for a minimal catastrophic-type of coverage)  will get no relief from anything being discussed.  Yayyy!

Posted by: non-purist at October 23, 2013 04:22 PM (afQnV)

117 They have had a boner for health care for decades.

I remember the Hillarycare thing in the early 90's architected by Ira Magaziner.  It would have been an even worse clusterfuck than Obamacare.  Obamacare is simply inept and  unworkable.  Hillarycare was almost Soviet in its complexity and unworkability

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 23, 2013 04:22 PM (l5zzX)

118 "NBC is wrong again"? I thought that was our line!

Posted by: Jean at October 23, 2013 04:23 PM (AP6/F)

119 Terry Gross is one smoking hot piece of ass.

-Empire of Jeff
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Beer spitter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:23 PM (aDwsi)

120 105 They have had a boner for health care for decades. It was a done deal as soon as he was elected Posted by: Thunderb Well, I've had a "boner" (as it were) for decades about getting the government out of my life. Is their boner harder than my boner? Which side (limited govt vs. nanny-state) has the most and largest boners?

Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2013 04:23 PM (+cx5n)

121

>>An IRS appeals officer must look at about 7 different systems to see what is going on in a taxpayers case. 

.

.

.Try going to the VA for care.  Each person has a minimum of two or three computers on their desk.  Kind of weird watching the Doctor switching back and forth between them while they are talking to you asking what is wrong, writing a script, etc.  Oh and don't give them a piece of paper with any medical stuff on it when you come in.....scary.

Posted by: Registered voter at October 23, 2013 04:24 PM (d0+yW)

122

119 If that lasts for more than four hours you should consult a physician.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:24 PM (ujMoa)

123 119 Judging by the respective successes,they are John Holmes and we are the average Chinese male.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2013 04:24 PM (zqvg6)

124 The boner who gets elected gets to do the screwing

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:25 PM (zOTsN)

125 53 Don't make me read Green Eggs and Ham again.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at October 23, 2013 08:07 PM (ujMoa)


Aw, I loved hearing Green Eggs and Ham from the Senate floor, it was epic!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 23, 2013 04:25 PM (KL49F)

126 WTF is this about delaying to 2015? Hell no. The Dems are delaying until after 2014 elections.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:25 PM (aDwsi)

127 Boy Roy feed my boy

Posted by: burmatar at October 23, 2013 04:25 PM (UNG+c)

128 So, what of the millions of folks who've been kicked off their plans and now have nowhere to turn?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 04:25 PM (DmNpO)

129 Obama will euphemistically re-define "delay the mandate" as "extended care pathway."
Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2013 08:20 PM (+cx5n)
Is that anything like the Liverpool pathway?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 23, 2013 04:26 PM (WLywR)

130 Per the update: um, all this denying makes the O admin looks WORSE. They are the Keystone Cops, running around like "chickens with their heads cut off"; this is epic fail.

But I AM enjoying the Schadenfreude!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 23, 2013 04:26 PM (KL49F)

131 Oh and don't give them a piece of paper with any medical stuff on it when you come in.....scary. Why?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 23, 2013 04:26 PM (sByIH)

132 122 119 Judging by the respective successes,they are John Holmes and we are the average Chinese male. Posted by: steevy Are you implying there are real and measurable physical differences between the races? Dat racis'!

Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2013 04:26 PM (+cx5n)

133 WTF is this about delaying to 2015? Hell no. The Dems are delaying until after 2014 elections. *** Precisely. I do not want a delay but, if it must be, then one year FROM NOW. Let it crash and burn just prior to the election.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 04:26 PM (DmNpO)

134 Seriously, if you just want to be left alone in this country you have to become a hobo. Sure, the cops will roust you once in a while but it is the only way to not be bugged by the feds.

Posted by: Jesse at October 23, 2013 04:27 PM (As/N8)

135 His chickens are coming home to roost.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:27 PM (ujMoa)

136 The next GOP president (if such a creature will ever exist again) should just extend the deadline to file taxes by 3 months, every 3 months for his entire presidency. Why not?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 23, 2013 04:27 PM (0LHZx)

137 I don't often give middle America a complet boning
But when i do I wish I could do it as good as the cACA Obama HellCare fiasco.

Posted by: Worlds Most Interesting Man at October 23, 2013 04:27 PM (WGm5T)

138 NDH What did Grayson say? Die faster?

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:27 PM (zOTsN)

139 Is that anything like the Liverpool pathway? Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. Yes, but here in America we'll call it "The Liverwurst Pathway" because it stinks.

Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2013 04:27 PM (+cx5n)

140 So, what of the millions of folks who've been kicked off their plans and now have nowhere to turn? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 08:25 PM (DmNpO) The delay in the mandate refers to the penalty tax if someone does not have insurance.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:27 PM (UbDLm)

141 Ya know , It just struck me that Terry Gross and Joyce Carol Oates could be sisters . Physically and intellectually . Shudders,,, while lil' awkward draws up into defensive position .

Posted by: awkward davies at October 23, 2013 04:27 PM (WK8VM)

142 Seriously, if you just want to be left alone in this country you have to become a hobo
----------------------

You're forgetting the hobo hunters.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:28 PM (aDwsi)

143 Glad they cleared that up about there being no delay, because I recall many Dems and Lefties exclaim, "It's the law of the land!!"

Posted by: Lizzy at October 23, 2013 04:28 PM (JRmiD)

144 127 So, what of the millions of folks who've been kicked off their plans and now have nowhere to turn? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 08:25 PM (DmNpO) ___________ A few heart attacks and cancer victims are a small price to pay for the dream of socialized medicine.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 23, 2013 04:28 PM (0LHZx)

145 Update says administration denies any delay.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 04:28 PM (P6QsQ)

146 Ted bring a conjunto band. Flaco Jimenez if he's available. And beer.

Posted by: Lester at October 23, 2013 04:29 PM (qTsuK)

147 Terry Gross , the anti boner .

Posted by: awkward davies at October 23, 2013 04:29 PM (WK8VM)

148

Boston's in the World Series?

 

Well alrighty then. Put me in coach!

 

I'm tanned, rested and healthy! And I gots a really BIG glove to stop those grounders.

Posted by: Bill Buckner at October 23, 2013 04:29 PM (57ubW)

149 Daily reminder: Within five years, Michael Moore will be proven correct that healthcare is better in Cuba.

Posted by: WOW at October 23, 2013 04:29 PM (6j8ke)

150 At this point, what difference does Congress make?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 23, 2013 04:29 PM (lAZep)

151 148 Daily reminder: Within five years, Michael Moore will be proven correct that healthcare is better in Cuba. Posted by: WOW at October 23, 2013 08:29 PM (6j8ke) _____________ What do you mean? - Sean Penn

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 23, 2013 04:30 PM (0LHZx)

152 These are not the delays/droids you are looking for

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:30 PM (zOTsN)

153 Calvinball.

Posted by: toby928© at October 23, 2013 04:30 PM (QupBk)

154 Within five years, Michael Moore will be proven correct that healthcare is better in Cuba. Posted by: WOW at October 23, 2013 08:29 PM (6j8ke) Yeah, but by then the fat obese pig will probably be dead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:30 PM (UbDLm)

155

Its rather simple really, six weeks to fix it - don't make me laugh.

The best ad the brightest?  Verizon is the first one called.  How about the worst and the dimmist? 

It simply amuses me now as the admin is now consistently not just making bad choices, but in each case making the "Worst possible choice!"

Posted by: Mycroft at October 23, 2013 04:30 PM (5a9bI)

156 The delay in the mandate refers to the penalty tax if someone does not have insurance. Understood, but what happens when the six week website fix turns into months (and it will)? The people kicked off their old insurance will be stuck in a gap the size of the Marianas Trench.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 23, 2013 04:30 PM (sByIH)

157 Wow, did the 2nd base ump ever blow a call. Non-reviewable. A tag he called out when the ball didn't even make it into the 2nd baseman's glove.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:30 PM (MpP9p)

158 Update says administration denies any delay.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 08:28 PM (P6QsQ)



My guess is that the Dems in Congress are getting panicky about the way that the WH is handling this mess.  Someone or their staffer leaked this to the press to try and put pressure on the Administration.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 23, 2013 04:30 PM (lr3d7)

159 My blood pressure is down for some reason. Laying around and eating seems to be working.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 08:21 PM (ujMoa)

 

Yeah, I thought I would get fat, until I found that I didn`t have enough money to eat regular.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 23, 2013 04:30 PM (uOxBm)

160 Call reversed after an umpires' conference. It had to be.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:31 PM (MpP9p)

161 Question : Was Terry Gross so teased about her name as a child that she became a bitter, unbalanced, bint, or was she dropped on her head?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:31 PM (aDwsi)

162

Back to welfare support for pre-existing conditions.  Wasn't there a federal program pre-dating this whole fiasco - one that basically fizzled because of lack of interest?

 

Isn't the actual scale of the need for subsidizing uninsurables (a non-orwellian way of saying "pre-existing conditions"), like the scale of the problem of those actually seeking/needing some sort of health insurance but unable to afford it, fantastically exaggerated?  Remember this idiot affirmative action POS, er, president, changing his undocumented numbers about the number of uninsured Americans several times a month in his lead-balloon speechifying, each time because he was challenged to document the numbers?

 

The "problem" with health insurance and heath care is the massive artificial cost burden on it from (1) state strangulation of the health insurance market - shame the constitution doesn't have anything on this .... say, some sort of "commerce clause"  (2) tax code subsidies/distortions for company plans (3) the national liability/shake-down industry.  None of these things are improved by "Obamacare", all are made much worse.  Brilliant!

 

Takes a very serious country, with an intelligent elite and populace, to come up with this sort of advance.

 

 

Posted by: non-purist at October 23, 2013 04:31 PM (afQnV)

163 96
Jeepers, exactly - but not sure what the hell the GOP alone has to do with this.

Pre-existing conditions, ipso facto, are not "insurable". Anything "done" about them will be a transfer payment (cough cough), welfare. Fine. An actual safety net, the sort almost everyone supports, and which can be implemented in a sustainable and non-destructive way, is exactly this sort of thing.

Guvamint can "help" only insofar as it (1) gets out of the way in terms of fedeal tax code and federal regulation and state-level regulation that makes all health care much more expensive than needed, incl. that for serious chronic conditions (2) enables extraordinary measures such as cooperation/semi-cartel behavior by insurers in collaboration with feds/states to set up high-risk pools.

So Jeepers, let's take your incredibly tiny focus and make it more serious by applying it to the ENTIRE law: why the fuck does taking care of comparatively limited issues for a small minority of the populace justify wholesale destruction or massive inflation in the rest of the already strangled market-place?
Posted by: non-purist

I'm "blaming" the GOP because we had control of Congress during most of the 90's and the Presidency/Congress during most of the 2000's but what did we ever do to address healthcare?  Absolutely nothing.  Which is a big reason why we got ObamaCare which could lead to single payer.

I think conservatives could have crafted something that points a solution in a free market direction, but uses the government as a backstop in severe cases,  that way 90% plus would use private health insurance instead of going through the government.  Instead, we ignored it because there's never going to be a "pure" conservative solution to health care.  So we let people plow into MediCaid, and now have ObamaCare that's destroyed private health insurance.  The end result being 100% government health care.

Posted by: Jeepers at October 23, 2013 04:31 PM (XDRsa)

164 The delay in the mandate refers to the penalty tax if someone does not have insurance. Understood, but what happens when the six week website fix turns into months (and it will)? The people kicked off their old insurance will be stuck in a gap the size of the Marianas Trench. Posted by: bonhomme at October 23, 2013 08:30 PM (sByIH) I'd say they should complain to the 52% and all the Dems on Congress and the Senate. they own it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:31 PM (UbDLm)

165 I don't care if you assemble the entire graduating classes from MIT going back to 1950. You will not fix this in a few weeks. It's like saying if we only hire the best engineers in the world we can rebuild the Empire State Building in 6 weeks. It just ain't happenin'

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 23, 2013 04:31 PM (0LHZx)

166 Ya know , It just struck me that Terry Gross and Joyce Carol Oates could be scissors sisters .

Posted by: no name but shame at October 23, 2013 04:32 PM (MnSla)

167 What the heck is going on in this game?!

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 04:32 PM (P6QsQ)

168 Like borsurance bro

Posted by: burmatar at October 23, 2013 04:32 PM (UNG+c)

169 Obama To Extend Individual Mandate Deadline So another thing that Obama doesn't know he will do, did do, or thought about doing?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 23, 2013 04:32 PM (23Kgq)

170 Umpires can overrule a play on 2nd?

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 04:33 PM (P6QsQ)

171 Leave him alone! Preezy Obama rocks our world!

Posted by: The Dildoheads at October 23, 2013 04:33 PM (Dwehj)

172 I hate baseball.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:33 PM (ujMoa)

173 Seriously, if you just want to be left alone in this country you have to become a hobo. True story: In L.A. some bum was spotted getting out of a Ferrari. The police were notified and contacted the bum to see what was going on. It was Brad Pitt in disguise. He said nobody looks at bums. It was his way of going out unnoticed. I think that next time he should get a beater truck instead of a Ferrari. Of course then he'll get pulled over going back to his neighborhood. Ya can't win!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 23, 2013 04:34 PM (sByIH)

174 The silver lining to this is when Ocare is repealed/dies of its own failure, the American people will not want to try socialized medicine for at least a generation. In fact, I've been thinking for weeks now, when Ocare is death-panelled, we should lobby for a Constitutional amendment that bans govt from EVER trying this again. EVER.

The only way some people learn is to actually experience the fail, not just conservatives telling them it will fail. Well, now people can see with their own eyes, feel with their own pocketbooks, that this cannot work. Govt cannot and should not interfere with medicine. Lenin was once quoted as saying that government control of health care is the goal of all Commies. One less tool for them if the people wake up. Tough lesson learned, but it will silence commies like O & Hil with their "care" plans.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 23, 2013 04:34 PM (KL49F)

175 Umpires can overrule a play on 2nd? Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 08:33 PM (P6QsQ) Apparently they can, much to the concern of the Fox guys. Next year, instant replay!

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:34 PM (MpP9p)

176 You know, when it comes to the tradeoff between fast, cheap, and correct, at least the private sector can get two of the three.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 23, 2013 04:34 PM (lr3d7)

177 It's like saying if we only hire the best engineers in the world we can rebuild the Empire State Building in 6 weeks. It just ain't happenin' Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
-----------

A standard observation by engineers, "You can't take 9 women and have a baby in 1 month."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:35 PM (aDwsi)

178 OK I just turned on the game- what happened at 2nd?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:35 PM (UbDLm)

179 45 > GOP really did call O's bluff on this,<

bah humbug it was cruz and lee

Posted by: newrouter at October 23, 2013 08:03 PM (dsgCY)


Ack, I'm usually more careful than that.. of course it wasn't the "GOP" it was ALL Cruz/Lee. God bless them.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 23, 2013 04:35 PM (KL49F)

180 3-0 Boston.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:35 PM (MpP9p)

181 Oh my. I'm watching THE HOBBIT on HBO and it is awful. Its half cartoon, half muppet show, and Lord Of The Rings IV. Wait...what's this...a giant Gollum??

Posted by: soothie at October 23, 2013 04:36 PM (f/s0F)

182 O for the love of Pete. Thanks umps

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 04:36 PM (P6QsQ)

183 NDH What did Grayson say? Die faster? *** Yes. Then he said something about shoving a burning cross up our ass, or... ya know... something like that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 04:36 PM (DmNpO)

184 I'm a Cards fan and that play at second was bad. Never caught the ball. Not like football where the ball passese the plane for a TD. Plus, nobody wants a brawl in Boston in the first inning. Having said that, 3-0 Boston. 😝Go Cards!

Posted by: Justamom at October 23, 2013 04:36 PM (Sptt8)

185 What is a scissor sister? Is that code for a lesbian? Terri Gross is married. Joyce Carol Oates (who writing has been vastly overrated, IMO has been married twice. They do not look all that much alike except for having big glasses.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 23, 2013 04:36 PM (23Kgq)

186 Napoli -- 3 run double

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 04:36 PM (/C6Mj)

187 You know, when it comes to the tradeoff between fast, cheap, and correct, at least the private sector can get two of the three.
Posted by: Colorado Alex
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fast - nope
cheap - nope
correct - nope

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:36 PM (aDwsi)

188 180 Maybe the Trolls he talks with until sunrise.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:36 PM (ujMoa)

189 This is ridiculous. They are (again) purposely putting people's personal data in harms way. Doesn't matter who barry hurts along the way on his path paved with lies to his deluded palace on the hill.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 23, 2013 04:37 PM (IXrOn)

190 Scissors sisters ? Lil awkward says , "No Mas".

Posted by: awkward davies at October 23, 2013 04:38 PM (WK8VM)

191 OK I just turned on the game- what happened at 2nd? Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 08:35 PM (UbDLm) The start of an attempted double play went awry when the throw hit the webbing of the 2nd baseman's glove and dropped. The ump called an out anyway (the ball was never fully in the 2nd baseman's possession, not by a long shot, IMHO). Umps' conference overruled the call.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:38 PM (MpP9p)

192 I'll add the ball hit the outside of the webbing of the glove.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:38 PM (MpP9p)

193 Actually, I thought the animated film of The Hobbit from 1977 was superior to the recent film.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 23, 2013 04:38 PM (23Kgq)

194 BREAKING:  Vladimir Putin called in to manage IT surge and make sure all bugs are properly removed and destroyed.

Posted by: lymond at October 23, 2013 04:39 PM (fzxq4)

195 Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 08:38 PM (MpP9p) Thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:39 PM (UbDLm)

196 I posted it at the end of the last thread, but I am watching a really interesting Nature episode on PBS about cross-species bonding. It's quite precious. They just told the story of an old goat which took over watch duties for an old, blind horse, staying by its side for years until the horse died.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 04:39 PM (DmNpO)

197 FenelonSpoke

Yes. And since when did marriage have anything to do with it? Plenty of married and formerly married women have discovered a love of tacos.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 04:39 PM (MnSla)

198 I think there is a fundamental problem with a Chief Executive who can both veto proposed laws and not really enforce passed ones, each on whim. One or the other has to give. This simply cannot become a long term paradigm, for it is a functional kingship. Barack Obama may have been a "Constitutional scholar", but it is clear he is no Constitutional ethicist.

Posted by: T. at October 23, 2013 04:40 PM (m/Cr5)

199 So the only sport that gets it's own thread are regular season NFL games? World Series doesn't rate? Sign of the times, I guess.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 23, 2013 04:40 PM (ZPrif)

200 Joe Buck just said that the umps' meeting was a unanimous decision that the call was screwed up.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:40 PM (MpP9p)

201 fast - nope
cheap - nope
correct - nope

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 08:36 PM (aDwsi)



See, I considered 3 years to implement to be fast for something like this, based on some of the articles I've seen elsewhere about how long a project like this should take.  But that's me being generous.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 23, 2013 04:40 PM (lr3d7)

202 No Boobehs  = No Baseball thread. When Baseball gets cheerleaders, there will be reason for a thread. But since it's been brought up anyway. Go Cards as I can't stand most Massholes.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 23, 2013 04:41 PM (ixf9H)

203 So the only sport that gets it's own thread are regular season NFL games? World Series doesn't rate? Sign of the times, I guess. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 23, 2013 08:40 PM (ZPrif) So far the 'ettes talking baseball appear to be outnumbering the 'rons, so feel free to try to even things out.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:41 PM (MpP9p)

204 Don't make me read Green Eggs and Ham again. Posted by: Ted Cruz at October 23, 2013 08:07 PM (ujMoa) Time to read The Art of War. Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 23, 2013 04:41 PM (IXrOn)

205

Poor Bambi. He had to call Merkel today and apologize for the NSA listening in on German phone calls; WH said the US would never ever listen to HER personal calls (but didn't say whether they had done so in the past.)

Democrats in Congress are turning into Tea party terrorists  on the individual mandate. (Personally, a man  date is the LAST thing I want.) The Obamacare staff is the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

And the Saudi- US relationship has gone from bad to worse. Smart diplomacy will lead to the Saudis getting their own nukes. They will probably buy them from Israel. (Would you trust North Korean or Pakistani tech?)

Yes children, Barack Obama's chickens are coming home... to rooooost. 

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at October 23, 2013 04:42 PM (UYzFT)

206
I fully expect the delay will eventually be to have insurance by Dec. 31, 2014.

That way it gets it past the next election.

But yeah, remember when it was needed to be done Now, NoW, NOW!!! People are dying without health insurance!!!!

now not so much I guess.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 23, 2013 04:42 PM (LSErD)

207 Speed is the essence of war. Take advantage of the enemy's unpreparedness; travel by unexpected routes and strike him where he has taken no precautions.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 23, 2013 04:42 PM (IXrOn)

208 I'm watching THE HOBBIT on HBO and it is awful.

I ripped it off TPB.  It put me to sleep inside 20 minutes. 

Had I paid real money for it, as I did for the trilogy, I'd have returned it demanding my money back.  In this case, piracy SAVED them money by not handling a returned product.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 23, 2013 04:43 PM (l5zzX)

209 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 23, 2013 08:42 PM (LSErD) Those who have lost their insurance because of Obamacare are still screwed, though.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:43 PM (MpP9p)

210 Anything to do with what? The implication was, I supppose that Gross and Oates are lesbians. They may be, but Oates in particular had had long term marriages. Just because someone looks odd to someone else doesn't mean they're a lesbian.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 23, 2013 04:43 PM (23Kgq)

211 the Rankin Bass version of The Hobbit? that is very good

Posted by: soothie at October 23, 2013 04:44 PM (f/s0F)

212 Those who have lost their insurance because of Obamacare are still screwed, though. Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 08:43 PM (MpP9p) But comrade for the good of the State, some have to make sacrifices?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 23, 2013 04:44 PM (UbDLm)

213 If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him. again and again JEF

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 23, 2013 04:44 PM (IXrOn)

214 soothie, I agree about the Hobbit.  Three times I tried to watch it and I can't take more than about 15 minutes. 

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 23, 2013 04:45 PM (DajPN)

215

Jeepers, I see what you're saying, and agree that something - no, make that a lot - should have been done about health care insurance prior to 2009.  Mostly the three things I noted in my last comment.  None of which are fixed now, all of which are exacerbated by O-care. 

 

But you know I'll say it again - when discussing how the latest statist assault on liberty and common sense is a disaster, EXPLAIN why and how that is, by contrasting it with real, workable, sensible approaches (which are almost always nearly entirely private-sector).

 

Acquaintance last year:  "but what about people who can't afford health insurance?"

 

Me:  "do we build food-stamp stores for those with nutritional needs?  Do we any longer build public housing since Cabrini-Green?  Why the hell does "helping" a very small part of the populace entail distorting and destroying the entire currently functioning system?  Why not cutting a few checks, as we do, in effect, with food and housing aid?"

 

Acquaintance:  "Oh, good point"

 

As the nominal opposition party, the GOP ought to, you know, actually try to educate and convince people by raising their currently utterly degraded levels of understanding.   And vacuous talking points with vague references to "market solutions" don't cut it.  Get specific, get practical, get aggressive.

 

 

Posted by: non-purist at October 23, 2013 04:45 PM (afQnV)

216 Minnfidel

Baseball does have cheerleaders.


http://tinyurl.com/ktaaczy




http://tinyurl.com/mnumbh7

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 04:46 PM (MnSla)

217 I don't have HBO, but it looks like the Hobbit is free on On Demand?

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:46 PM (ujMoa)

218 I think I saw birds hatching in that Boston player's beard.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at October 23, 2013 04:46 PM (Dwehj)

219 Yes. And since when did marriage have anything to do with it? Plenty of married and formerly married women have discovered a love of tacos. *** YES! I just ate two Doritos Locos Fiery Tacos Supreme and they were yummy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 04:46 PM (DmNpO)

220 He had to call Merkel today and apologize for the NSA listening in on German phone calls;
-------------------

Obama: "Angela, I just found out about it when I read it in the papers".

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 23, 2013 04:46 PM (aDwsi)

221

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 23, 2013 08:31 PM (0LHZx)

 

The more people you throw at this problem, the WORSE it will be.

 

You cannot write code by committee.... you cannot design by committee... and the larger the group? the slower it is to get everyone on the same page, and make needed change.

 

In fact, the reason this project is a Mess?  is there was no single TECHNICAL entity in charge... it was run like a Political campaign, not a Software design project.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 23, 2013 04:46 PM (lZBBB)

222 I like the version of the Hobbit with the Heat Miser.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:47 PM (ujMoa)

223 correction: it is also half Godzilla I cant believe what I'm seeing: giant rock creatures fighting each other in slow motion.

Posted by: soothie at October 23, 2013 04:47 PM (f/s0F)

224 Vendette, they should hire you to replace these Fox clowns!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 23, 2013 04:47 PM (dfYL9)

225 I think that ought to be a tag line for everything to do with Obama: Barack "I didn't know about it" Obama or Barack "I just found out about it." Obama.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 23, 2013 04:48 PM (23Kgq)

226 @217 I saw something too. Don't think it was a bird tho.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 04:48 PM (P6QsQ)

227 NDH

lol fur realz

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 04:48 PM (MnSla)

228 But comrade for the good of the State, some have to make sacrifices? Posted by: Nevergiveup
------------------

Ah! That reminds me.
No more food for you Ukrainians.

Posted by: Joe Stalin at October 23, 2013 04:48 PM (aDwsi)

229 220 Brooks' Law

Posted by: T. at October 23, 2013 04:49 PM (m/Cr5)

230 Good times, good times.   Remember all the brouhaha back in '08 and '09 about 47 million uninsured Americans?   They've taken care of that number.   Now we're probably looking at  68 million, or 92 million  (or some equally ridiculous number)  without insurance.  Yeah, baby!   Progress.  It's what's for dinner.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 23, 2013 04:49 PM (N/Sup)

231 Plenty of married and formerly married women have discovered a love of tacos. "I hate tacos" -- said no Juan ever.

Posted by: wooga at October 23, 2013 04:49 PM (DYQTd)

232 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 08:46 PM (DmNpO) But do you look like Joyce Carol Oates while you eat them? ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 23, 2013 04:49 PM (23Kgq)

233 from weaselzippers Huffington Post labeled the Obama Administration’s attacks on press freedom a “Dictator’s Dream” when highlighting a wire story from the Associated Press heh.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 23, 2013 04:49 PM (IXrOn)

234 It's okay to have sex in the Shire, as long as you don't get in the hobbit.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 23, 2013 04:50 PM (N/Sup)

235

Posted by: non-purist at October 23, 2013 08:45 PM (afQnV)

 

The Two things the GOP should have pushed in health care reform...

 

Being able to buy health insurance across state lines.... (note we still can't)

 

Making all Health insurance payments non taxable income.... for people not just a business....

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 23, 2013 04:50 PM (lZBBB)

236 Vendette, they should hire you to replace these Fox clowns! Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 23, 2013 08:47 PM (dfYL9) Awwwwww! Thank you! My mom grew up in St. Louis so I'm OK with Joe Buck, although I'm sure he knows that because he is the Son of Jack, he is where he is. As for Tim McCarver, I'm ambivalent. I will say that I cannot stand the TV play-by-play guys for the Washington Capitals. I also cannot stand Chris Berman.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:51 PM (MpP9p)

237 Wow. Just wow at Cards defense.

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 04:51 PM (/C6Mj)

238 You cannot write code by committee.... you cannot design by committee..

The only thing committees can do in the software process is produce requirements documents.

Then actual architects and designers can tell them how they're on drugs and its impossible to produce that product

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 23, 2013 04:52 PM (l5zzX)

239 But do you look like Joyce Carol Oates while you eat them? ;^) *** Geez, I hope that at no time do I ever look like JCO.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 04:52 PM (DmNpO)

240 Testing to see if I just got banned again

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 04:52 PM (MnSla)

241 Go cards, however, I think it'll be tough for them to win at Fenway. The dimensions of that park are so crazy - and the Sox are familiar with them and the Cards aren't. Still didn't expect Wainwright to run up his pitch count that fast.

Posted by: Donna V. sez go cards at October 23, 2013 04:52 PM (R3gO3)

242 Worst play by play ever In all time Susan Waldman and John Sterling Awful

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:53 PM (zOTsN)

243 the Rankin Bass version of The Hobbit? yes

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 23, 2013 04:53 PM (23Kgq)

244
Our letter from our insurer started out, "The ACA has caused us to cancel many policies.....

*my wife's eyes get big*

..... but we are keeping yours....

whew.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 23, 2013 04:53 PM (LSErD)

245 239 No, I got that busy signal thing also.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 04:53 PM (ujMoa)

246 The Cards just communicated that the fix is in. 


Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 23, 2013 04:53 PM (hcHS/)

247 I'm not so I guess it must have been a hamster twitch.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 04:53 PM (MnSla)

248 Not really sure how this will impact those those have had their individual policies dropped, which is my situation. They are ending mine on Dec. 31st, which is when I think all of them are going bye bye.

We have to change policies by then. So why would this matter to us? We're still getting screwed.

Posted by: shibumi at October 23, 2013 04:53 PM (25HWz)

249 165 Ya know , It just struck me that Terry Gross and Joyce Carol Oates could be scissors sisters . Posted by: no name but shame at October 23, 2013 08:32 PM (MnSla) It just struck me that the anvil I have in the garage is headed straight at you at a high rate of speed.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 23, 2013 04:53 PM (oFCZn)

250 244

phew.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 04:54 PM (MnSla)

251 This game could be a blowout in short order.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:54 PM (MpP9p)

252 Oh geez cards

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 04:54 PM (P6QsQ)

253 Yikes! Is there a full moon? Wuzzup with the Cards? *sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 23, 2013 04:54 PM (dfYL9)

254 Joe Buck and Troy Aikman (for football) = Bad

Joe Buck and Tim McCarver (for baseball) = Sign me up for Obamacare/take me to the death panels

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 04:55 PM (/C6Mj)

255 Ya'll reckon this obamacare fiasco has had any impact on med school enrollment ? I can see where kids who look at medicine as a calling, like the priesthood or ministry , might not be deterred but I wonder about the smart young folks that would like to make a good living at it . Seems like they'd be jumping into other fields like grasshoppers at this point .

Posted by: awkward davies at October 23, 2013 04:55 PM (WK8VM)

256 Cards need to file a bullying complaint

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 04:55 PM (zOTsN)

257 Dack Thrombosis

Don't. Me head be flat enough.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 04:55 PM (MnSla)

258

As soon as I heard The Hobbit was going to be multiple movies, the Bad Idea Jeans SNL skit started going through my head.

 

Sadly, I saw it in the theatre with the family.  Sadly, I was correct.

 

One movie, probably would have been awesome.  Three?  Le Suck.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 23, 2013 04:55 PM (GJc4d)

259 Joe Buck and Troy Aikman (for football) = Bad Joe Buck and Tim McCarver (for baseball) = Sign me up for Obamacare/take me to the death panels Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 08:55 PM (/C6Mj) On the 8th Day, God created the mute button. In fact, I'm using it right now!

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:56 PM (MpP9p)

260 Cards need to file a bullying complaint

Yes.

Posted by: That idiot mom in Texas at October 23, 2013 04:56 PM (Dwehj)

261 253 Ha,not too long ago McCarver blamed Global Warming for more homeruns being hit.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2013 04:56 PM (zqvg6)

262 >>>On the 8th Day, God created the mute button.

In fact, I'm using it right now!

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 08:56 PM (MpP9p)<<<

lol. Actually, have Levin on so listeneing to him, watching the game.

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 04:57 PM (/C6Mj)

263 I don't mind the announcers. Then again my standards are low. Life long Cubs fan.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 04:57 PM (P6QsQ)

264

211: But comrade for the good of the State, some have to make sacrifices?

 

You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.

That V.I. Lenin was one smart dude.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at October 23, 2013 04:57 PM (UYzFT)

265

Jeepers, I see what you're saying, and agree that something - no, make that a lot - should have been done about health care insurance prior to 2009.

 

Like government keeping their fucking hands out of it the last 30 years.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 23, 2013 04:58 PM (uOxBm)

266 Seriously, do we have more women than men talking baseball? Another boneheaded play by the Cards. Tami is distraught, Bannion is thrilled.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 04:58 PM (MpP9p)

267 Valerie Jarret has to tell Obama what he's going to to do before he knows.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 23, 2013 04:58 PM (23Kgq)

268 Bring back Vin Scully and Joe Garagiola.
 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 23, 2013 04:58 PM (hcHS/)

269 I guess McCarver took too many Bob Gibson fastballs off the facemask .

Posted by: awkward davies at October 23, 2013 04:58 PM (WK8VM)

270 Ha,not too long ago McCarver blamed Global Warming for more homeruns being hit.
 Globull warmening, is there anything it can't do?

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 04:59 PM (MnSla)

271

Allow me to explain the idiocy of Earnest's spew:

 

March 31 is merely the deadline to avoid the full 12-month taÂ…erÂ…penalty. When the sun rose this morning, it meant the breakpoint between paying 4 monthsÂ’ worth of said taÂ…erÂ…penalty and 12 monthsÂ’ worth of same. What Team SCOAMT is doing (illegally, I might add) is changing 3/31 to being the breakpoint between paying 0 monthsÂ’ worth of said taÂ…erÂ…penalty and 12 monthsÂ’ worth of same.

 

Oh yeah - I explained the illegality of what Team SCOAMT is doing back at my slightly-less-dusty blog - http://bit.ly/16uhQSd

Posted by: steveegg at October 23, 2013 04:59 PM (o44nj)

272

>>"Will they support this (rhetorically, no way Obama goes to Congress for this) or will they insist that Obama live by his words of the last few months."

 

 

Is that a serious question or are you mocking us?

Posted by: rrpjr at October 23, 2013 05:00 PM (n06s/)

273 There are so many broadcastersnow that I mute or drown out.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2013 05:00 PM (zqvg6)

274

Seamus, I believe the serious numbers for uninsured are actually a small fraction of 47 million.  Remember, the only meaningfun number is for those who 1) actually want insurance 2) do not get it primarily because of cost.  This is a very small number, as it excludes most younger 20-somethings.

 

And, of course, the most important reason even the very small number cannot afford it is because, in the first place, of government interference.  I recall two decades ago, in the shithole of DC, being able to get a very cheap (for that time) catastrophic plan on a private basis.  Those plans climbed in price as all the govt. dysfunction was piled on, and now are basically gone because they are truly ridiculous in what they cost vs. what they provide.

 

And Romeo13, absolutely not, no tax breaks for health insurance.  The break for company plans is one of the original sins that has ruined the health insurance market.  As with just about everything else that makes the code thousands of pages, the tax code should be silent on health insurance. 

 

Enough of the dumb social engineering!  Let adults make their own decisions.  Stop preventing price discovery in medical care.  There is absolutely nothing essentially different with medical care than with any other private good or service.  If anything, medical care is OVER-consumed, on average.  Not entirely an artifact of tax/govt. interference, some medical culture there too, but get the tax code the hell out of everything, starting with the frankenstein currently called "health insurance".

 

Posted by: non-purist at October 23, 2013 05:00 PM (afQnV)

275 Later folks.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 23, 2013 05:00 PM (MnSla)

276 O crud

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 05:01 PM (P6QsQ)

277 Actually, have Levin on so listeneing to him, watching the game. Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 08:57 PM (/C6Mj) I have the hum of the fridge and the clicking of the keyboard and the mouse. I can always rewind the DVR and hit the sound if I have to. 4-0. I think I can hear Bannion from 6 miles away.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 05:01 PM (MpP9p)

278

Out of all MLB teams, I like the Red Sox the least.

This inning is just a disaster for the Cards.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 23, 2013 05:01 PM (LSErD)

279 later, Joe

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 05:01 PM (DmNpO)

280 Let's not talk about the ballgame score. What's up with these Boston players beards?

Posted by: Justamom at October 23, 2013 05:02 PM (Sptt8)

281 Wainwright is doing a Kershaw.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 05:02 PM (MpP9p)

282 RedSox grow playoff beards like the NHL teams.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2013 05:03 PM (zqvg6)

283 Kruk had a beard. Philly?

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 23, 2013 05:03 PM (ujMoa)

284 Let's not talk about the ballgame score. What's up with these Boston players beards? Posted by: Justamom at October 23, 2013 09:02 PM (Sptt Auditioning for Duck Dynasty? Jayson Werth of the Nationals had one heckuva beard all season long.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 05:04 PM (MpP9p)

285 5-0

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 05:04 PM (MpP9p)

286

Go Sux Go!

 

I strongly dislike the Red Sux, but I absolutely, positively fucking hate the Cards.

Posted by: steveegg at October 23, 2013 05:04 PM (o44nj)

287 Nice catch! Saved the grand slam

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 05:04 PM (P6QsQ)

288 Evening Horde. You know what's best about my drunken midgets? Their impeccable sense of timing. So I'm cleaning the kitchen. I hate cleaning the kitchen. To make my displeasure known I'm chanting "this sucks dick...this sucks dick..." over and over. I then hear "Hey Mommy, I have a question." Awesome. The three year old is up.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 23, 2013 05:04 PM (GEICT)

289

Seamus, I believe the serious numbers for uninsured are actually a small fraction of 47 million. Remember, the only meaningfun number is for those who 1) actually want insurance 2) do not get it primarily because of cost. This is a very small number, as it excludes most younger 20-somethings.
Posted by: non-purist at October 23, 2013 09:00 PM (afQnV)


*****


Oh, I'm well aware of that.  The 47 million number was bogus from the get-go.  My comment was merely poking fun at the consequences of a badly conceived, badly written, badly executed piece of legislation that will not correct the problems that it purported to fix.  The irony is strong in this whole clusterflock.


 

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 23, 2013 05:04 PM (N/Sup)

290 >>>There are so many broadcastersnow that I mute or drown out.<<<


So very true. John Madden and Pat Summerall for football... good times, good times.

Whoa, Papi robbed of grand salami. But, now 5-0.

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 05:04 PM (/C6Mj)

291 Well that  just  saved a total blowout

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 23, 2013 05:04 PM (GJc4d)

292
wow what a catch.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 23, 2013 05:04 PM (LSErD)

293 Remind me... How much of a cut of the Obamacare premiums does the government get?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2013 05:05 PM (DmNpO)

294 Okay, how about getting inspired by that Beltran catch, Cards, eh?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 23, 2013 05:05 PM (dfYL9)

295 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 23, 2013 09:04 PM (GEICT) I hate to say it, but I laughed.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 05:05 PM (MpP9p)

296 At least we don't have to see that Dodgers pitcher with the ponytail beard. That is wierdola.

Posted by: Justamom at October 23, 2013 05:06 PM (Sptt8)

297 This just in.   The Colorado Rockies have been mathematically eliminated from 2014 season playoff contention.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 23, 2013 05:06 PM (N/Sup)

298 Great catch. Dude seems to have hurt himself, though.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 23, 2013 05:06 PM (ZPrif)

299 I hate to say it, but I laughed. Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 09:05 PM (MpP9p) It's ok. So did I.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 23, 2013 05:06 PM (GEICT)

300 Great catch. Dude seems to have hurt himself, though. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 23, 2013 09:06 PM (ZPrif) On the other hand, he didn't go over. Fox just did the comparison.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 05:07 PM (MpP9p)

301 It's ok. So did I. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 23, 2013 09:06 PM (GEICT) Is your wife laughing, though?

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 05:07 PM (MpP9p)

302 Well that could have been slightly worse.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 05:07 PM (P6QsQ)

303 5 - 0 Sox...yup

Posted by: RightOne40 at October 23, 2013 05:07 PM (/yOZJ)

304 @296 Cubs are mathematically ,eliminated for the next 99 seasons.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 23, 2013 05:09 PM (P6QsQ)

305 Is your wife laughing, though? Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 09:07 PM (MpP9p) Yup. We're....different as parents. She described the first grader's math homework as "stupid shit". "Why are they doing it like this? They're just confusing the kids."

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 23, 2013 05:11 PM (GEICT)

306 New thread up

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 05:11 PM (MpP9p)

307 86 WS Sox one the first 2 games,won them at the Mets home field too.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2013 05:11 PM (zqvg6)

308

Seamus, indeed.

 

And T. points us back to what I think ought to be one of the enduring themes of rebellion and criticism as we stumble through this degrading and disastrous period in US history (we need to prioritize, there is so much outrageous and disgraceful and damaging shit going on, ceaselessly).

 

Lawlessness.

 

Lawlessness.  It's key.  The constitution and law are what were put up to hem in the idiocy of the populace and its worst representatives, for a reason.  As those guard-rails have been bent and damaged - and in recent years, to be realistic, basically discarded - so has the idiocy of the worst of the populace and their reps been allowed to start ruining the country.

 

So in my taxonomy of lawlessness, these alterations (even if this one has been withdrawn) of law by presidential decree (right, we don't have those, but there's no other way to describe several previous actions by this admin.) are in the Executive category.  The brilliant inter-locking system of checks and balances designed by the founders is not working because the players aren't playing, and the system's not self-enforcing.

 

If only we had a serious opposition party, they'd have jumped on this absolutely essential issue long before now.

 

Posted by: non-purist at October 23, 2013 05:11 PM (afQnV)

309 I got it! I got it!

Stand there, watching the ball pop up, and drop in front of me... Nope.


Posted by: Birdbrained Pitcher at October 23, 2013 05:12 PM (avJtg)

310 At least I've got kiddie football. Stinky son just home - I drive carpool to, not from, as to avoid the stench. He made all his kicks and gets to kick in playoffs. But, coach won't let him kickoff because in sixth grade he is still using onside kicks, which hardly ever get recovered. My boy kicks deeeep, then tackles the receiver.

Posted by: Justamom at October 23, 2013 05:12 PM (Sptt8)

311

Ha Haw! <iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/lAUNlO6-rlk?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

Posted by: Nelson Muntz at October 23, 2013 05:13 PM (2LTPq)

312

Why can't the Cards play like this when they play against the Brewers?

 

 The Sox showed up to play in the WS. The Cards evidently showed up to play in some April game.

Posted by: Donna V. sez go cards at October 23, 2013 05:13 PM (R3gO3)

313 Posted by: Justamom at October 23, 2013 09:12 PM (Sptt This means you are a grass stain-removal expert.

Posted by: Vendette at October 23, 2013 05:13 PM (MpP9p)

314 Journolist/Talking Points alert: Dem spokeshole tonight is trying to distinguish between the "overhaul" and "defunding" of Obamacare the Republicans wanted (bad!) and the "tweaks" and "fine-tuning" (delay) now wanted by the 6 endangered dems (good). Lulz. To this administration, everything is word choice and spin. There is no reality.

Posted by: LASue at October 23, 2013 05:14 PM (gjIQF)

315 I would just like to know who to thank for the fricking white football pants.

Posted by: Justamom at October 23, 2013 05:15 PM (Sptt8)

316 As frightful as the Sox look, there's no uglier SOB in baseball than Brian Wilson of the Dodgers. Hitters facing him are probably temporarily blinded by his ugliness.

Posted by: Donna V. sez go cards at October 23, 2013 05:17 PM (R3gO3)

317 >>>86 WS Sox one the first 2 games,won them at the Mets home field too.<<<

Last 2 ('04, '07) Red Sox WS... sweeps.

'04 was against Cards.

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 23, 2013 05:18 PM (/C6Mj)

318 Never happen. Can't make the JEF appear. There are rules against bullying

Posted by: Thunderb at October 23, 2013 08:17 PM (zOTsN)

Just holler "Bamajuice" three times.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 23, 2013 05:25 PM (60Q+L)

319 Has anyone pointed out that the date happens to coincide with when seasonal help are being let go? What a bunch of heartless shitbags.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at October 23, 2013 05:29 PM (Y92Nd)

320

As frightful as the Sox look, there's no uglier SOB in baseball than Brian Wilson of the Dodgers. Hitters facing him are probably temporarily blinded by his ugliness.

Posted by: Donna V. sez go cards at October 23, 2013 09:17 PM (R3gO3)

 

Yep, he looks like a Hatfield-McIroquois-French trapper-Alferd Packer descendant.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 23, 2013 05:30 PM (uOxBm)

321 LASue,

Posted some of that on Twitchy

Posted by: acethepug at October 23, 2013 05:33 PM (TnBle)

322 Laws he signed and passed by congress mean nothing to the God King!

Posted by: Dan at October 23, 2013 05:48 PM (m3gf3)

323 Hey, let's just let the lightworker govern by decree.

We are in unbelievably dangerous territory right now.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 23, 2013 05:50 PM (LYIrp)

324 Obviously my educational grounding, work background in the IC  and degrees do not afford me the answer to how the executive branch can override a law passed by Congress to be selective in how they execute federal law (especially one that the SCOTUS has ruled is just another tax law).  Can someone help me on that?  I am not asking for those who want to make snide comments.  I want to know what constitutionally is applicable.  If it is illegal under federal law, then why hasn't Congress reacted and squashed this?  Anyone?

Posted by: buffy at October 23, 2013 06:20 PM (INAPN)

325 Wonderful news!!!  Insurance has been cancelled effective Jan 1 due to Obamacare, and I now get an extended deadline of Mar 31, '14 to sign up for insurance that I need to have an effective start date of Jan 1, '14?  How does this help me?

Posted by: Callawyn at October 23, 2013 09:13 PM (+7Wfv)

326 If it is illegal under federal law, then why hasn't Congress reacted and squashed this? It's because the Democrat-led parts of Congress are active collaborators, and the Republican-led parts are mostly feckless idiots.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 23, 2013 10:54 PM (/IXKu)

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