December 09, 2013

Report: Paul Ryan Ready To Cut A Budget Deal That Breaks The Sequester
— DrewM

Surely you're not surprised that the GOP really isn't committed to cutting spending are your? If so, I've got a bridge to sell you so leave your email address in the comments.

With lawmakers due back in town Tuesday, aides said [House Budget Committee Chairman Paul] Ryan and [Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman] Murray are likely to bypass the committee and take the deal, if finalized, straight to the full House and Senate. Congressional leaders hope to finish work quickly and leave town for the holidays as soon as Friday.

Senior aides familiar with the talks say the emerging agreement aims to partially repeal the sequester and raise agency spending to roughly $1.015 trillion in fiscal 2014 and 2015. That would bring agency budgets up to the target already in place for fiscal 2016. To cover the cost, Ryan and Murray are haggling over roughly $65 billion in alternative policies, including cuts to federal worker pensions and higher security fees for the nationÂ’s airline passengers.

Republican leaders are also seeking additional savings to knock a small dent in deficits projected to exceed $6 trillion over the next decade. But the deal would do nothing to trim the debt, which is now larger, as a percentage of the economy, than at any point in U.S. history except during World War II.

It became clear months ago when the House only passed appropriation bills that increased spending and not the ones that actually cut spending that the fix was in.

And don't buy the nonsense about fees (aka "taxes") or higher pension contributions offsetting some of the spending. First, like almost all stopgap gimmicks they are...gimmicks. Second, in the case of higher pension contributions, that should happen even with the sequester in place to reduce costs, not to offset new ones.

The biggest problem with the "off-set" flimflam is that even if it helps offset hiking the budget and the debt, it does nothing to shrink the size and scope of government. I've said it before and I still mean it, I'd rather a federal budget that takes up 17-18% of GDP and was out of balanced than a budget that consumes 24% and is balanced. Size and scope of government matter more than perfectly balancing the books.

Oh and when Team GOP types say, "well, we told you this would happen because you pushed the shutdown" ask them what in the world prevented the House from passing a "clean CR" that kept the sequester intact? If they answer anything other than "Um, nothing", they are lying.

Keep this betrayal in mind (and it will be a betrayal because you can bet Boehner's going to need Democrats to make this work) when Team GOP says "stop primarying Republicans and focus on Democrats!".

Until Republicans stop kicking conservatives in the shins, I'm all for conservatives kicking Republicans in the balls.

But hey, cheer up! Sure the GOP is going to sell you out on spending but they'll give you amnesty later in the year as a makeup present.

Feel better?

Posted by: DrewM at 06:27 AM | Comments (389)
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1 As our buddy Insty says: Things that can't continue, won't.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 09, 2013 06:28 AM (659DL)

2 Ahhhh Fresh hell

Posted by: Ncj at December 09, 2013 06:29 AM (dqux0)

3 [Looking around] I know I put them somewhere...

Posted by: joncelli, looking for his outrage at December 09, 2013 06:29 AM (RD7QR)

4 Just a little further down the river.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 09, 2013 06:29 AM (/TxIY)

5 Meh.  Him and a rusty crowbar.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 09, 2013 06:30 AM (UVadJ)

6
But look I got charts!  Charts!, I say.

And Graphs!  I have graphs!

Posted by: Traitor Paul Ryan at December 09, 2013 06:30 AM (MaP11)

7 Paul Ryan really turned into a big disappointment....

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 09, 2013 06:31 AM (bCEmE)

8
GOP kicks conservatives in the shins.

So whatareyagonnadoaboutit, Punk?

(channeling Dirty Harry)

Posted by: Monday Monday can't trust that day at December 09, 2013 06:31 AM (JMwom)

9 8 Paul Ryan really turned into a big disappointment....

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2013 10:31 AM (bCEmE)


He let himself be buffaloed by Joe Biden, submoron. "Disappointment" is an understatement.

Posted by: joncelli, looking for his outrage at December 09, 2013 06:32 AM (RD7QR)

10 How was this not to be expected, the dude's a packers fan

Posted by: Ncj at December 09, 2013 06:32 AM (dqux0)

11 Oh more extortion and betrayal. Just in time for Christmas. Surprise.

Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2013 06:32 AM (ktbKX)

12 All of these stories about the Obamcide destroying the marxocrat chances in the near and intermediate future ignores the fact that the Traditional GOP RINOs running the Repuke party SUCK. If you can't finnish of the Dhims with this half assed HC Tax debacle posing as ACA, you aren't even trying. Â…..which of course is the simple truth.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 09, 2013 06:33 AM (UevTI)

13 Meh. Him and a rusty crowbar. And a barbed wire wrapped pineapple.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2013 06:33 AM (h1D+w)

14 How was this not to be expected, the dude's a packers fan

Posted by: Ncj at December 09, 2013 10:32 AM (dqux0)


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Hey now.

Posted by: grammie (cuz mama is way way old) winger at December 09, 2013 06:33 AM (P6QsQ)

15 Dear DrewM,

Please get back to me as soon as possible regarding that bridge. I'm really in the market for one.

Thank you,

RepublicanLIV@dingusville.com

Posted by: Sphynx at December 09, 2013 06:34 AM (OZmbA)

16 After the stress and trials of running for VPOTUS, Ryan has decided he wants to be a permanent Congress Critter, so the wheels and deals are now a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at December 09, 2013 06:34 AM (P2Sby)

17 paul ryan dead to me

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at December 09, 2013 06:34 AM (u8GsB)

18 I can tell you right now that no one in the First Congressional Dist of WI is going to primary Paul Ryan.  Get that out of your head. 

Posted by: grammie (cuz mama is way way old) winger at December 09, 2013 06:34 AM (P6QsQ)

19 With lawmakers due back in town Tuesday, aides said [House Budget Committee Chairman Paul] Ryan and [Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman] Murray are likely to bypass the committee and take the deal, if finalized, straight to the full House and Senate. Congressional leaders hope to finish work quickly and leave town for the holidays as soon as Friday. --- I think I'm about to beat someone to death with a big black rubber cock...

Posted by: Hatchet Harry Lonsdale at December 09, 2013 06:34 AM (/Crba)

20

This is so depressing.   I mean, I knew it was coming, but that doesn't make it less depressing.

 

*lies down morosely on trampoline* 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 06:35 AM (4df7R)

21
Ryan wants to make a deal so that the House will be free to focus on amnesty. 

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at December 09, 2013 06:35 AM (DPMu1)

22 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) working from home at December 09, 2013 06:36 AM (PYAXX)

23 Tell us again how we have to win elections to make changes, when the ones we've already elected do this shit.

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 06:37 AM (/29Nl)

24 I think I'm about to beat someone to death with a big black rubber cock...

 

Posted by: Hatchet Harry Lonsdale at December 09, 2013 10:34 AM (/Crba)

 

 

Or you could always have Big Chris slam someone's head in a car door a couple dozen times.  That works well.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 06:38 AM (4df7R)

25 *lies down morosely on trampoline*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 10:35 AM (4df7R)


There, there.  It will be OK.

::: pats MWR's rack :::

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 06:38 AM (6T8Ay)

26 Well, this can't go on forever. Something just has to change.

(Note to self, buy lottery tickets. Big jackpot)

Posted by: Three more years. at December 09, 2013 06:38 AM (JMwom)

27 Oh, GFD! And Paul Ryan was supposed to be a Budget Hawk. To cover the cost, Ryan and Murray are haggling over roughly $65 billion in alternative policies, including cuts to federal worker pensions and higher security fees for the nationÂ’s airline passengers. Raise your hand if you think "federal worker pensions" are really on the table. Now raise your hand if you think "higher...fees" are on the table.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) working from home at December 09, 2013 06:39 AM (PYAXX)

28 >>> I think I'm about to beat someone to death with a big black rubber cock... I'll hire a couple Northern monkeys to dispose of the body.

Posted by: Barry the Baptist at December 09, 2013 06:39 AM (Ua6T/)

29 Sequester spending  cuts   is just pissing in the wind. Until   someone   seriously  starts considering the entitlement funding problems, it's just trimming your bush.

Posted by: Roy at December 09, 2013 06:40 AM (VndSC)

30 I still fail to see how this pension thing is going to work in any case. From what I'm hearing Employee contributions (at least for people who also Pay FICA) will go from 0.8% to 1.2% If my math is even close to accurate, that still leaves the government on the hook for...(math math math) Let's put it this way, nearly double digit percentage contributions. Granted, I'm just doing back of the napkin math here. But assuming you're looking at 10% total contribution levels to be solvent (and that's under shooting it by a long shot.) The government's share just went from 9.2% to 8.8%. Hardly enough to save significant money. Hell it's almost a statistical blip. Even if you assume the pension is underfunded at IL levels, and the total contribution is only 5%, the government share just went from 4.2% to 3.8%, hardly meaningful.... So....uhh...WTF?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 06:40 AM (GaqMa)

31

I need a new bridge.  Send it to me at mark.dayton@mn.gov   It'll look great next to my new NFL stadium.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 09, 2013 06:40 AM (EGPJQ)

32 Oh FFS!

Posted by: Y-not awake too early at December 09, 2013 06:41 AM (zDsvJ)

33 I have never thought Paul Ryan was nothing more than a semi-RINO.  His so-called budget cut really didn't cut anything until 10 years down the road. And he supported the AGW and amnesty debacle.


Piss on him and ALL the sell-out GOP leadership.  They are dead to me.

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2013 06:41 AM (T2V/1)

34 Swell. So now Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio are off the table as far as 2016 candidates I could support. Keep going, folks...

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at December 09, 2013 06:41 AM (XsOa7)

35 If so, I've got a bridge to sell you so leave your email address in the comments. stutteringclusterfuck@whitehouse.gov

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at December 09, 2013 06:41 AM (1hM1d)

36 Raise your hand if you think "federal worker pensions" are really on the table

You mean those federal workers that haven't had a pay raise in 3 years while simultaneously having their benefits cut like the rest of America?

Those federal workers?  

The ones that everyone here pretty much thinks are parasites?  

Those guys?

::: raises hand :::

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 06:41 AM (6T8Ay)

37 The truly annoying thing about this is that all the Republicans had to do was go All Obamacare All The Time... Just leave the sequester alone- people are past it, and most have forgotten its even in place.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) working from home at December 09, 2013 06:41 AM (PYAXX)

38 $65 billion in alternative policies $6 trillion in projected deficits (which is abject BS as well). We're going to hit the wall. Hard. And it will hurt.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 09, 2013 06:42 AM (659DL)

39 34 I've seen the cock. I've tasted the cock. I like the cock. I'm a cocksucker.

Posted by: PAUL RYAN at December 09, 2013 10:41 AM (Cs2tJ)



Well,  Helllloooooo  there.  How YOU doin'?

Posted by: Barney Fwank at December 09, 2013 06:42 AM (OZmbA)

40 29 >>> I think I'm about to beat someone to death with a big black rubber cock... I'll hire a couple Northern monkeys to dispose of the body. --- I hate these fucking southern fairies!

Posted by: Lenny the thief at December 09, 2013 06:43 AM (/Crba)

41 Posted by: Barney Fwank at December 09, 2013 10:42 AM (OZmbA) Don't copy a post that's being troll buster.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 09, 2013 06:43 AM (bCEmE)

42 Q:  What's the difference between the Dems and the GOP?

A:

A:

A:  ....Anyone? Anyone?...  anyone? Raised or lowered?... raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve... Anyone know what this says?  Anyone?

Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller? Bueller? 

Posted by: Whadever at December 09, 2013 06:43 AM (Xv7f/)

43 busteD

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 09, 2013 06:43 AM (bCEmE)

44
#MakingLifeWork

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2013 06:43 AM (kdS6q)

45 The sequester budget BS is just a pause in  the All ObamaCare All The Time thing. It allows a breather for the LIVs before they lose coverage on Jan 1 and find out their  doctor   has  never hear of them before. Then,   hilarity will re-ensue.

Posted by: Roy at December 09, 2013 06:44 AM (VndSC)

46 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 10:41 AM (6T8Ay) You're pension will get tweaked. Employees covered by AFGE however will see pay bumps and benefit increases.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 06:45 AM (GaqMa)

47 The sequester budget BS is just a pause in the All ObamaCare All The Time thing. It allows a breather for the LIVs before they lose coverage on Jan 1 and find out their doctor has never hear of them before. Then, hilarity will re-ensue.

True that.  But no sense in giving the other side a breather though.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 06:45 AM (6T8Ay)

48 >>> I hate these fucking southern fairies! That's right, 'guns that fire shots', now anything else you find is yours to keep.

Posted by: Barry the Baptist at December 09, 2013 06:45 AM (Ua6T/)

49 Paul Ryan was nailed by Hugh Hewitt in 2010 as being a fucking sell out on cutting the budget.  I ordinarily can't stand listening to Hewitt but he was spot on about this.  And to think the Romney fuckheads brought that cocksucker on the ticket to appeal to us conservatives.  We are so fucking fucked.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2013 06:46 AM (6Xmna)

50 I hate all politicians.  They are all frelling worthless.

Posted by: Null at December 09, 2013 06:46 AM (P7hip)

51 Don't copy a post that's being troll buster.

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2013 10:43 AM (bCEmE)



Pweese TwansWate into Engwish

Posted by: Barney Fwank at December 09, 2013 06:46 AM (OZmbA)

52 Half these GOP congresspeople know that these deficits are going to collapse our economy (much worse then it is now) and they just don't care.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2013 06:46 AM (7Nq2G)

53
And you know, things could actually be worse.  Imagine if Romney had won and Ryan was presiding over -- and voting in -- a split Senate.

Oh, the agita!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2013 06:46 AM (kdS6q)

54 Until someone seriously starts considering the entitlement funding problems, it's just trimming your bush. Posted by: Roy at December 09, 2013 10:40 AM

IMO, there is not a single agency, department, plan or program in the entire government that cannot be pruned, trimmed, cut back, downsized or, in too many instances, eradicated.

Not. A. Friggin'. One.

We can't just advocate hacking away at "entitlements." They are only the tip of an ugly iceberg.

And while we're at it, there are 535 self-important, pork-chugging, corrupt creatures of porcine derivation in Congress who need to be (as the Brits say) "made redundant."

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 09, 2013 06:46 AM (csjXD)

55 49 >>> I hate these fucking southern fairies! That's right, 'guns that fire shots', now anything else you find is yours to keep. --- Those weren't in the cabinet, so they were ours to sell! We sold them to Nick The Greek!

Posted by: Lenny the thief at December 09, 2013 06:46 AM (/Crba)

56 8 Paul Ryan really turned into a big disappointment.... Posted by: Tami

Yep. Digs hole. Jumps in. Pulls the hole in after him....

Posted by: backhoe at December 09, 2013 06:46 AM (ULH4o)

57

This is how the regular budget process is supposed to work, folks.  The House passed a budget and the Senate passed a budget.  Not surprisingly there was a big difference in spending levels between the two.  They were going to have to meet somewhere in between.

 

Republicans never much liked the sequester, especially with all the defense cuts. 

 

But by all means, go ahead and keep thinking there can be more budget cuts and debt reduction with a Democratic Senate and President.  It's all the fault of the GOP betraying conservatives.  Or not fighting hard enough.  Or something.

Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2013 06:47 AM (aBlZ1)

58 Not to worry, we can fix this by growing our way out of debt. All we have to do is hire more Federal Government administrators for this marvelous new Health Care Initiative Congress has written and the Obama administration is so successfully implementing. 

As unemployment is reduced by this increase in Government hiring, the economy will pick up steam, and prosperity will return. Once everyone works for the Federal government, making above average wages, with good benefits stable economic growth will solve many of the problems we now face.

We just need to execute our new five year plan to stabilize the economy, create jobs, reduce unemployment, reduce government waste and fraud, and preserve peace in the Middle East. We are well on our way to economic prosperity. Now is not the time for drastic measures that will only upset our magnificent five year plan for economic prosperity.

Posted by: Fake Janet Yellen at December 09, 2013 06:47 AM (JMwom)

59 I'm not at all surprised.  And don't call me Shirley.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2013 06:47 AM (DrWcr)

60 You're pension will get tweaked.  Employees covered by AFGE however will see pay bumps and benefit increases.  Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 10:45 AM (GaqMa)

Oh you're damn right it's gonna get tweaked.

The worst part is, and I speak in very general terms, it's the Federal AFGE types that are the layabouts and the exempt employees that are the producers.

So the irony is....we'll pay more so we can get more epic fail.


Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 06:48 AM (6T8Ay)

61 >>> Ryan and Murray are haggling over roughly $65 billion in alternative policies Is this some Republican cunts joke that TEA party cunts don't get? Cause I ain't laughing, Ry-An.

Posted by: Rory Breaker at December 09, 2013 06:48 AM (Ua6T/)

62 The surprising thing is that pensions still exist.  The vast majority of the non-union private sector was transitioned from pensions to defined contribution plans starting about 15 years ago.

The fact that public sector pensions haven't also been transitioned is a picture worth a thousand words.

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 06:48 AM (/29Nl)

63 Thanks, Drew. Happy Effin' Monday, eh?

Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2013 06:49 AM (FcR7P)

64 I was wondering why Garth Brooks was being honored at the WH. I guess he's an obama sucking leftard. Who knew?

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 09, 2013 06:49 AM (h4eud)

65 So the irony is....we'll pay more so we can get more epic fail. Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 10:48 AM (6T8Ay) Pretty sure you just defined "federal government"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2013 06:50 AM (LmMET)

66

There, there. It will be OK.



::: pats MWR's rack :::


 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 10:38 AM (6T8Ay) p

 

 

OI!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 06:50 AM (4df7R)

67 I was such a Paul Ryan fanboy over his budget expertise, I was willing to overlook his RINOish tendencies on several issues. But it seems that since the 2012 election, when a budget issue comes up he's been a reliable member of Team Fuck the Taxpayer. The so-called budget wiz's insistence on working on shamnesty this past year has done it for me. Honestly, I trust Rubio over Ryan at this point, at least I always expected Rubio to go squish on amnesty, Ryan has no excuse when it comes to selling out the base on the budget. Fuck that deceptive prick.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 09, 2013 06:50 AM (W7ffl)

68 But by all means, go ahead and keep thinking there can be more budget cuts and debt reduction with a Democratic Senate and President. It's all the fault of the GOP betraying conservatives. Or not fighting hard enough. Or something. --- The point is that Ryan hasn't exactly articulated any reasons to vote FOR the new budget as opposed to leaving the existing one in place. The sequester, while not exactly all sunshine and lollipops for our side, helped expose Barry and the Dems as a bunch of fucking ninnies who doomed-and-gloomed what it would mean for the country for it to go into effect. None of their wild rantings came to pass. Unless we get something positive out of negotiations with the Senate, I see no reason to undo the sequester.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 09, 2013 06:50 AM (/Crba)

69 The surprising thing is that pensions still exist. The vast majority of the non-union private sector was transitioned from pensions to defined contribution plans starting about 15 years ago. The fact that public sector pensions haven't also been transitioned is a picture worth a thousand words. Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 10:48 AM (/29Nl)

We use the term "pension" in the generic sense.

The Feds haven't been on a defined benefit plan in decades.  They're all defined contribution plans now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 06:50 AM (6T8Ay)

70 65 I was wondering why Garth Brooks was being honored at the WH. I guess he's an obama sucking leftard. Who knew? --- I guess it just proves he's got friends in low places.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 09, 2013 06:50 AM (/Crba)

71 Honestly whatnis Paul Ryan good for? He is the kind of idiot who can't even carry his own district in a presidential race, he gives constant ammunition to the left. He loves spending in general, he just wants to cut social security and medicare, the only programs that go to everyone. I was a Romney guy, so I know people think I am a craven RINO, but he tries to undermine Ted Cruz, he bashes Rand Paul. I'm not saying primary him, but he really sucks.

Posted by: Roy at December 09, 2013 06:50 AM (75fUy)

72 "We can't just advocate hacking away at "entitlements." They are only the tip of an ugly iceberg."

No our entitlement system is the iceberg. We could cut all discretionary spending, every federal department and every federal paycheck and we would still be running deficits.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2013 06:51 AM (7Nq2G)

73 our betters making us feel hopeful about the future  financial solvency of America.

We really should not allow (lol) dems and republicans leaders  to hang out together for years on end.

srsly they shouldn't be able to all stay in DC month after month, They get a skewed version of reality .

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 06:51 AM (nqBYe)

74 >>> Those weren't in the cabinet, so they were ours to sell! We sold them to Nick The Greek! Don't "Uuhhhh" me, Greek boy!

Posted by: Rory Breaker, mad man with an afro at December 09, 2013 06:51 AM (Ua6T/)

75 MWR left you a comment on previous thread.

Do you really want to bounce on a snow covered frozen trampoline?

And this post is a good reason to go and write.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 06:52 AM (5oAy6)

76 We use the term "pension" in the generic sense.

The Feds haven't been on a defined benefit plan in decades. They're all defined contribution plans now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 10:50 AM (6T8Ay)


Wow, that's surprising and positive.  When I hear "pension," I immediately think defined benefit.  It comes from programming backend COBOL on both DB and DC plans for years.

Now, if only the States and municipalities would wake up.

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 06:53 AM (/29Nl)

77 You mean those federal workers that haven't had a pay raise in 3 years
================

I went 3 years without a pay raise here in the private sector. My sympathy for federal workers is somewhat nonexistent.

Posted by: physics geek at December 09, 2013 06:53 AM (MT22W)

78 First we're gonna give it to the Democrats by spending more money, and then we're going to pass amnesty and give them more voters!

Posted by: Math Genius Paul Ryan at December 09, 2013 06:53 AM (Y92Nd)

79 politicians,

how is Your unemployment rate in DC?

hey man it's great!
Hey  well what about the citizens in DC, aren't they feeling the  rising costs of food?

 are you kidding I'm making hand over fist on these deals.

well the housing market  sucks?

not from where i'm sitting we're booming!

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 06:53 AM (nqBYe)

80
Current Spending $986B

With Sequestration $967B

Republican *Negotiated* Compromise $1000B





"Christ almighty, it's like I'm sittin' here playing cards with my brother's kids"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2013 06:53 AM (kdS6q)

81

So the irony is....we'll pay more so we can get more epic fail.



Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 10:48 AM (6T8Ay)




Pretty sure you just defined "federal government"

 

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2013 10:50 AM (LmMET)

 

 

That's government in general.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 06:53 AM (4df7R)

82 More "responsible government". When will these shitheads just go back down their holes and quit wrecking my yard?

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2013 06:54 AM (VHfsw)

83 *waves tiny pass a fucking budget you olinguito humping unicorn shark felating bearded lizard licking jackholes sign*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 06:54 AM (VtjlW)

84 I went 3 years without a pay raise here in the private sector. My sympathy for federal workers is somewhat nonexistent. Posted by: physics geek at December 09, 2013 10:53 AM (MT22W)

The point of the post was not oneupmanship.  The point was that the pain was already shared. 

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 06:54 AM (6T8Ay)

85 I went 3 years without a pay raise here in the private sector. My sympathy for federal workers is somewhat nonexistent. Posted by: physics geek at December 09, 2013 10:53 AM (MT22W) My husband went to the FBI this morning to get fingerprinted as part of his naturalization process. They asked him to fill out a survey afterward. I was surprised they even asked for feedback.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 06:55 AM (Y92Nd)

86 Fuck 'em.  Just more names to add to Madame Guillotine's guest list.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 06:55 AM (zF6Iw)

87 LOL  And AlextheChick brings the smackdown.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 06:55 AM (5oAy6)

88 75 >>> Those weren't in the cabinet, so they were ours to sell! We sold them to Nick The Greek! Don't "Uuhhhh" me, Greek boy! --- Rory? Yeah I know Rory. He's not to be underestimated, you've got to look past the hair and the cute, cuddly thing - it's all a deceptive facade. A few nights ago Rory's Roger iron's rusted, so he's gone to the local battle-cruiser to catch the end of his footer. Nobody is watching the custard so he turns the channel over. A fat man's north opens and he wanders over and turns the Liza over. 'Now fuck off and watch it somewhere else.' Rory knows claret is imminent, but he doesn't want to miss the end of the game; so, calm as a coma, he stands and picks up a fire extinguisher and he walks straight past the jam rolls who are ready for action, then he plonks it outside the entrance. He then orders an Aristotle of the most ping pong tiddly in the nuclear sub and switches back to his footer. 'That's fucking it,' says the guy. 'That's fucking what' says Rory. Rory gobs out a mouthful of booze covering fatty; he then flicks a flaming match into his bird's nest and the man's lit up like a leaky gas pipe. Rory, unfazed, turned back to his game. His team's won too. Four-nil. Translation- His TV broke, he went down to the pub to finish watching his game, and a guy got pissed at him for doing so. His response was to get a fire extinguisher, put it in the street, and order the most alcoholic drink in the place. When the guy stepped up to him again, he spit the drink on him, lit a match, and went back to watching his game.

Posted by: Barfly Jack at December 09, 2013 06:55 AM (/Crba)

89 I went 3 years without a pay raise here in the private sector. My sympathy for federal workers is somewhat nonexistent.

Yüp.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 09, 2013 06:55 AM (ZKzrr)

90 *waves tiny pass a fucking budget you olinguito humping unicorn shark felating bearded lizard licking jackholes sign*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 10:54 AM (VtjlW)

::: swoon ::::

Blondie?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 06:55 AM (6T8Ay)

91 Q: What's the difference between the Dems and the GOP? A: Democrats are expected to participate in the biggest heist the world has ever known.

Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2013 06:56 AM (FcR7P)

92 78 You mean those federal workers that haven't had a pay raise in 3 years ================ I went 3 years without a pay raise here in the private sector. My sympathy for federal workers is somewhat nonexistent. Posted by: physics geek at December 09, 2013 10:53 AM (MT22W) ==================== The gall of these people. Our business hasn't raised salaries in three years, but government mandated taxes and insurance premiums have shot through the roof each and every year. And a useless little government functionary wants more money? Oh, that burns.

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2013 06:57 AM (VHfsw)

93 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 10:50 AM (6T8Ay) Uhh... FERS is still around. My wife in enrolled in it. Granted it's been somewhat nerfed as it's now part of a "3 pronged approach" (which is FERS/401K and of all things Social security.) I tried to find out about getting my wife out of it because I suspect it'll be non-existent when the time comes to collect. I'd much rather have the cash in hand and deal with it myself. (Granted the IRAs and 401k's may all be taken too, so given my young age, I'm probably screwed no matter what I do.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 06:57 AM (GaqMa)

94 These aren't really spending 'cuts', are they? Isn't it just a decrease in the rate of increase?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 09, 2013 06:57 AM (bCEmE)

95 Yüp. --- Three fucking hours I do all the drivin' from Brainerd, and that's all you have to say. Yüp. That's a fucking fountain of conversation. A geyser. I'm gonna show you how it feels. We're going to sit here in silience. Total fucking silence. See how you like it.

Posted by: Carl Showalter at December 09, 2013 06:57 AM (/Crba)

96
Current spending $986B
With Sequestration $967B
Republican Compromise $1000B

They were going to have to meet somewhere in between.
Posted by: rockmom

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2013 06:57 AM (kdS6q)

97 Uhh...
FERS is still around.
My wife in enrolled in it. Granted it's been somewhat nerfed as it's now part of a "3 pronged approach" (which is FERS/401K and of all things Social security.)

FERS is not a defined benefit plan.

CSRS was a defined benefit plan.  CSRS has been gone for years.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 06:58 AM (6T8Ay)

98 >>*waves tiny pass a fucking budget you olinguito humping unicorn shark felating bearded lizard licking jackholes sign* Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 10:54 AM (VtjlW) Â…..I don't think you're doing"tiny" right

Posted by: ontherocks at December 09, 2013 06:58 AM (UevTI)

99

Well this is the end of all things.

 

*waits*

 

Hmmm.  The end of all things is taking its sweet time to get here.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at December 09, 2013 06:58 AM (hLRSq)

100 our current income level is about 1/3 of pre 2009 .

we had to cut our personal budget.
why is the govt above doing the same?

never occurred to us to spend tons more money and leave everyone else holding the bag.

must.be.nice.

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 06:58 AM (nqBYe)

101 Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2013 10:47 AM (aBlZ1) There don't have to be "more" spending cuts, they just had to keep the levels in place that were agreed to in the BCA. This is the point, the GOP isn't simply saying "hey we don't have enough votes to do better", they are teaming up with the Dems to add spending. It's one thing to say, "I can only stop bad things from happening" and quite another to say, "I will now actively work against you". The GOP is doing the latter if you care about debt.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 09, 2013 06:58 AM (64tBw)

102 Everyone should write their congressman/woman and encourage them to spend more.

Hasten the burn.

Posted by: Sphynx at December 09, 2013 06:59 AM (OZmbA)

103 ::: swoon ::::

Blondie?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 10:55 AM (6T8Ay)

 

 

No, she's a ginger.   ^_^

 

And also:   AtC - *swoon*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 06:59 AM (4df7R)

104 alex tea.

and don't forget the all need a really strong kick in the shins.

or elsewhere.

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 06:59 AM (nqBYe)

105 Forget pay raises. What about pay and hours cuts? My dad worked for the Feds back in the day so it's not like I hate all Federal workers. But even he, who is VERY conservative, has no clue about what most peoples' jobs are like.

Posted by: Y-not awake too early at December 09, 2013 07:00 AM (zDsvJ)

106 they*

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:00 AM (nqBYe)

107

This is all theatrics, a mere side show.  Wait until inflation hits ~3-4%, that's when it gets down right ugly.  We are talking Mad Max ugly.  When Federal interest payments alone take over 50% of all Federal income, we won't have a choice about budgets cuts then.

 

Everything between now and then is just B$.

Posted by: Registered voter at December 09, 2013 07:01 AM (d0+yW)

108 >>> His TV broke, he went down to the pub to finish watching his game, and a guy got pissed at him for doing so. Hey now, I've been quoting from memory.

Posted by: cute & cuddly Rory , m with an afro at December 09, 2013 07:01 AM (Ua6T/)

109 The idea that Ryan would become a "budget expert" in order to facilitate cutting it, is naive and counter-intuititve. Besides, losing a debate to Curley Joe Biden was a case of EPIC fail, and a classic choke job.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 09, 2013 07:02 AM (UevTI)

110 I was going to say "In before someone says 'That's just the way it works!'"  but I was too late.

"That's just the way it works!" is not an effective excuse for raping the future of our children, EVERYONE's children.

If someone makes their bones on claiming to care about fiscal solvency, you would think that their natural actions would be consistent with that stance.  You know, treating it like the disaster that was claimed.

When the fiscal crusaders roll over out of expediency, they undermine the entire argument that the fiscal crisis is indeed a crisis.

Look, even PAUL RYAN doesn't believe that shit.

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 07:02 AM (/29Nl)

111

willow, have you a bagel that you might be willing to share?  I am in a morose mood, what with the country being in the hands of idiots, and unfortunately I have no bagel.  I am bagel-less. 

 

Anna P:  Jumping on a snow encrusted, frozen trampoline is, indeed, a bad idea.  Although I wonder if it would be fun to build a snowman on the trampoline and then see if I can get it to  bounce so high it actually launches itself into the air and    squashes   a passing liberal like an    icy cold   deus ex machina.      Heaven knows in New England it shouldn't be hard to find one worth squashing.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 07:03 AM (4df7R)

112 I was a Romney guy, so I know people think I am a craven RINO, but he tries to undermine Ted Cruz, he bashes Rand Paul. I'm not saying primary him, but he really sucks. Posted by: Roy at December 09, 2013 10:50 AM (75fUy) I don't know how anyone could be a Romney guy, and speaking of not carrying states, he couldn't carry Taxachusetts where the super-awesome Romneycare that he touted as a success was passed, or his home state of Michigan where his father was the governor. But I don't like Ryan, either. Loved it when he stood up to Obamacare and debunked the lie that Obamacare would be deficit neutral. But he was a one-trick pony. They were a match made in heaven, because like any establishment pubbies, they are thick as thieves with the Chamber of Commerce. You thought Bush betrayed conservatism? There would have been no holding a Romney-Ryan administration's feet to the fire. I burn with hatred of Obama, but he was preferable to the 2012 nominee. Better to take back the senate and impeach JEF.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:03 AM (Y92Nd)

113 Three fucking hours I do all the drivin' from Brainerd, and that's all you have to say. Yüp. That's a fucking fountain of conversation. A geyser.

Now I want pancakes.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 09, 2013 07:03 AM (ZKzrr)

114 >>> "That's just the way it works!" is not an effective excuse for raping the future of our children, EVERYONE's children. Just don't equate it to slavery.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2013 07:04 AM (Ua6T/)

115 *noms blondies and sips tea* No, she's a ginger. ^_^ And also: AtC - *swoon* Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 10:59 AM (4df7R) One does one's humble best. *rests head on shoulder* My team was super mean to me yesterday and we have to go to trial tomorrow and this being a grown up thing SUCKS. Also I want a unicorn shark.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 07:04 AM (VtjlW)

116 The company I used to work for built a very expensive new plant.  The way that works is when it goes on line they are supposed to get a rate increase to pay it off over the expected 40 year lifetime.


The PSC denied the increase for specious reasons. So the company was forced to eat the billions they spent on it.  We immediately got a 5% pay cut and wages frozen there for the next two years.


Don't tell me that gov workers can't get a pay freeze or cut.

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2013 07:05 AM (T2V/1)

117

>>Uhh...
FERS is still around.
My wife in enrolled in it. Granted it's been somewhat nerfed as it's now part of a "3 pronged approach" (which is FERS/401K and of all things Social security.)

I tried to find out about getting my wife out of it because I suspect it'll be non-existent when the time comes to collect. I'd much rather have the cash in hand and deal with it myself.
(Granted the IRAs and 401k's may all be taken too, so given my young age, I'm probably screwed no matter what I do.)

.

.

.It is not an opt out system from what I have been told.  I left civil service  two months short of 10 years and can't collect anything until I am 62, and it isn't much.  It might cover the cable bill each month.  I think you can take back your contribution if you have less than 5 years of service, but that's about it from what I can remember. 

Posted by: Registered voter at December 09, 2013 07:05 AM (d0+yW)

118 101 our current income level is about 1/3 of pre 2009 .

we had to cut our personal budget.
why is the govt above doing the same?

never occurred to us to spend tons more money and leave everyone else holding the bag.

must.be.nice.
Posted by: willow

If it weren't for my wives "death benefits" I'd be living under the nearby Lanier bridge.
Slash all gubmint budgets in half. Then halve them again. And again, and again until the screaming starts. Then cut some more....

Posted by: backhoe at December 09, 2013 07:05 AM (ULH4o)

119 And I'm leaning toward Team Rand, though more as a veep. Although, I don't see any governors that are proving that conservatism works. Maybe Scott Walker, but don't like all his too-cute doublespeak.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:05 AM (Y92Nd)

120 Also I want a unicorn shark.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 11:04 AM (VtjlW)


With frickin' laser beams on its head?

::: runs off to the Royal Warehouse ::::

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 07:06 AM (6T8Ay)

121 Case in point. His wife's daughter is a store mgr for a clothing chain. Well now the company has added two stores fir herbto manage, without increasing her pay. My dad thinks she should go DEMAND a raise b/c of the extra work. In this economy. Smart. IME most professionals and non-union types have to take on extra responsibilities to get ahead. Maybe after 6 mos that translates to a raise or promotion. Or switch jobs. Suicidal in thus economy.

Posted by: Y-not awake too early at December 09, 2013 07:06 AM (zDsvJ)

122 MWR, a nice bagel with cream cheese , pours tea.


and smacks Bannion for patting areas publically.

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:06 AM (nqBYe)

123 MWR, sounds like an excellent experiment.  Even make a YouTube of it.

"Hey lets see if we can launch a snowman off a trampoline!"

Just omit any chatter of 'squish a lib' 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 07:06 AM (5oAy6)

124 or publicly

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:06 AM (nqBYe)

125 unicorn shark??  Isn't that a narwhal? 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 07:07 AM (5oAy6)

126 >>> Also I want a unicorn shark. Will you call it Stabby or Bitey?

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2013 07:07 AM (Ua6T/)

127

So here's an interesting OT: Vlad the Chekist tightens his grip.


(Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin tightened his control over Russia's media on Monday by dissolving the main state news agency and replacing it with an organization that is to promote Moscow's image abroad.

The move to abolish RIA Novosti and create a news agency to be known as Rossiya Segodnya is the second in two weeks strengthening Putin's hold on the media as he tries to reassert his authority after protests against his rule.

Posted by: joncelli, looking for his outrage at December 09, 2013 07:07 AM (RD7QR)

128 and smacks Bannion for patting areas publically.  Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 11:06 AM (nqBYe)

I know you would have preferred it in private, but, hey, you weren't here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 07:08 AM (6T8Ay)

129 Oh, and ever since the dour band of federal workers (50 people whose sole function is to watch the financials of this one branch of Multinational War Machine Corp) moved into the open space on my floor at work, the women's room has been FILTHY.  Fluids and semi-solids all over the floor, wads of God knows what in the bowls.

I'm sure Bannion knows how to flush a toilet but apparently the diversity hires can't.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 09, 2013 07:08 AM (ZKzrr)

130 Oh and when Team GOP types say, "well, we told you this would happen because you pushed the shutdown" ask them what in the world prevented the House from passing a "clean CR" that kept the sequester intact?

Confirmed: DrewM does not own a mirror, nor does he understand the concept of one.

Seriously?  You or all people are asking why they couldn't just pass a "clean" CR as was requested by Reid and Obama?

Unfuckingbelieveable.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 09, 2013 07:09 AM (SY2Kh)

131 backhoe,  It really is unconscionable they do this, and are allowed to profit off the misery of everyone else while they purportedly are supposed to work and advocate for US.

these days i just imagine them all planning schemes while stuffing their personal coffers, while telling us how much they care .

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:09 AM (nqBYe)

132

Also I want a unicorn shark.

 

 

How about a rabid Narwhal?

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2013 07:10 AM (QGgQa)

133 Because the right thing to do is repeat the 'shutdown drama' of October, only THIS TIME we'll do it WITHOUT an epic disaster to take the spotlight, giving the Democrats more ammunition to call Republicans pointless obstructionist fanatics.

And, get this, they'll be right. The point of the last one was to delay Obamacare because we were sure it would be a disaster. It was a disaster. But it's out of the bag. So while it can't be used again, at this point we look kinda prescient; 'hey, maybe those Republicans knew what they were talking about with that shutdown nonsense.'

The fact is, we control too little of the government to set the budget and fighting over it would be counterproductive. In general, the best approach is to make as little fuss as possible and thereby refuse to give the Democrats the legitimate distraction that they desperately, desperately want. And the budget isn't worth it. After $16 trillion, what's another $900 billion?

Posted by: dawnfire82 at December 09, 2013 07:10 AM (1/hzQ)

134 , I don't see any governors that are proving that conservatism works. Maybe Scott Walker, but don't like all his too-cute doublespeak.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 11:05 AM (Y92Nd)


-------------



 Forget words.  Words are cheap.  Look at actions.  There is no one in America that has actually ENACTED a more conservative agenda, in the face of unimaginable opposition, than Scott Walker. 

Posted by: grammie (cuz mama is way way old) winger at December 09, 2013 07:10 AM (P6QsQ)

135

One does one's humble best.

 



*rests head on shoulder* My team was super mean to me yesterday and we have to go to trial tomorrow and this being a grown up thing SUCKS.



Also I want a unicorn shark.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 11:04 AM (VtjlW)

 

*comforts*

 

I must admit when my Pats beat the Browns, my first thought was, "Oh dear.  Poor AtC!"  Well, technically my first thought was, "DAMMIT, GRONK!"  But that's par for the course.

 

I have no unicorn shark, but will a narwhal do?

 

http://bit.ly/1aOrf2v

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 07:11 AM (4df7R)

136 But but but, he's oh so good and he's oh so fine and he's oh so perfect in his haircut and his mind. From all of us who warned you about this guy: apology accepted.

Posted by: Call me Ishmael at December 09, 2013 07:11 AM (O7OxF)

137 I'm sure Bannion knows how to flush a toilet but apparently the diversity hires can't.  Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 09, 2013 11:08 AM (ZKzrr)

Thanks Radish, I appreciate the vote of confidence.

Most of Da Boyz from DCMA are AFGE union types (I am assuming this is being managed by DCMA....)

They're union types because apparently it's a good idea to put people who are functionally illiterate in charge of multi-billion dollar contracts.

Who knew?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 07:11 AM (6T8Ay)

138 Because the right thing to do is repeat the 'shutdown drama' of October, only THIS TIME we'll do it WITHOUT an epic disaster to take the spotlight, giving the Democrats more ammunition to call Republicans pointless obstructionist fanatics. --- Can we even DO "shutdown drama" this time around? I thought those fucking idiots gave away the store with regards to the debt limit when the last one ended.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 09, 2013 07:12 AM (/Crba)

139 "Honestly, I trust Rubio over Ryan at this point, at least I always expected Rubio to go squish on amnesty, Ryan has no excuse when it comes to selling out the base on the budget." Cesar Conde -- He was Dick Cheney's domestic policy advisor, friend to daughter Liz and Romney, introduced Ryan to Romney in his office, because Ryan worked for him at one point, and now he is Rubio's chief of staff. Small fucking world, huh?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:12 AM (Y92Nd)

140

For the 444th time, it seems we have dodged a real bullet by not having Paul Ryan as VP.

 

I did a ton of work for Romney.  Yard sign, drove neighbors to the polls, etc.

 

NEVER AGAIN.  If we nominate some squish, fuck it, I do not want it on my conscience that I voted for the least worst candidate that was just fucking over the country in a slower decline than the leftist demorats. 

 

Plus his love for the outright socialist commie Guitierrez on "immigration reform".  Who the fuck do these people think they are?

 

These aren't minor policies.  These are major positions and they just don't give a shit.  No more RINOs.  Fucking period.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 09, 2013 07:12 AM (tVTLU)

141 Half these GOP congresspeople know that these deficits are going to collapse our economy (much worse then it is now) and they just don't care.

 

Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2013 10:46 AM (7Nq2G)

 

Let me approach this in as reasonable a tone as I can:

 

The first question to ask is, why don't they care?  Are they pig-ignorant, hopeless Pollyannas or convinced their can-kicking will last their lifetimes?  IMO, they don't care because they are physically and economically isolated from any collapse that will happen.

 

Let's take Nancy Pelousi as an example.  Oh, sure, we can talk about primarying her withered, skanky ass, but it won't happen.  She won't be attacked from the left and an attack from the right is as likely as not to be sabotaged by the Establishment.  She knows her political office is hers until she decides to give it up.  So she fears no political blowback.

 

She also knows that, despite frothing here, on other boards, at Tea Party gatherings and at the local pub, the right will never physically threaten her.  They won't picket her house, they won't cyberstalk her, they won't try storming her office.  She fears no physical blowback.

 

And, at last, she has her bottomless Fed salary and pensions, as well as the money accumulated by her sleazy crook of a husband.  She can afford armed guards, gated communities or even militarily-escorted flights out of danger should a "collapse" happen to pig her radar.  She fears no economic blowback.

 

Now, multiply her by all the other tax-fatted, worthless homunculi squatting on Capitol Hill, daring to stand up on their hind legs atop their feculent mound of power and lecturing us to sit down and shut up.  None of them have any reason to fear the collapse because they will be able to escape it.

 

Prove me wrong.  I sincerely doubt you can.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 07:12 AM (zF6Iw)

142 With frickin' laser beams on its head? ::: runs off to the Royal Warehouse :::: Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 11:06 AM (6T8Ay) Mais naturellement! Unicorn sharks are a thing: http://bit.ly/1ksL6K4 Okay, technically, it's a goblin shark but look at it! Unicorn shark. Stabby is the unicorn unicorn. The unicorn shark is Bitey.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 07:12 AM (VtjlW)

143
And I get reassured that deciding no longer to vote in federal elections was the right decision.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2013 07:13 AM (MaP11)

144 but... the sequester was no good anyway?  start unpacking, stupid

Posted by: oyeah at December 09, 2013 07:13 AM (lB/5N)

145 We still don't exist.

Posted by: mythical GOP establishment at December 09, 2013 07:14 AM (5ikDv)

146 Wow, not the only one who remembers their zoology.  Maybe we should call ourselves Team Narwhal for things like Hunger Games of Hobo Hunting.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 07:14 AM (5oAy6)

147 OK. Is there anyone left for us to support in 2016?

Anyone?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 09, 2013 07:14 AM (wtvvX)

148 ugh the Browns,
how many times do i have to tell you, They are like a spouse that makes promise after promise, get your hopes up that They will change, and than choke when they reach the deadline!


Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:14 AM (nqBYe)

149 I see Bannion is commencing with the ass kissing in an attempt to keep his position. After the his mocking of the Browns, he better get some serious chapstick.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2013 07:14 AM (LmMET)

150 It really is amazing that with Obamacare disaster now moving out of the realm of theory into the real-life emfuckening we warned everyone it would be, all the GOP has to do to win next November is kick back and relax. Any and all questions, no matter the subject, should be answered with 'Obamacare'. But no, the leadership is dead set on giving their voting base the middle finger, desperately trying to drive them away.


It really just proves these skidmarks have no interest in winning, they just intend to be the permanent minority 'opposition' party. Vote for us, we're not registered as Democrats!

Posted by: mugiwara at December 09, 2013 07:14 AM (W7ffl)

151 141 The icing on the cake was even after good conservatives like you worked your ass off for good-for-nothing Romney/Ryan, that Orca fiasco meant all your hard work was for naught. What a bunch of bumbling idiots running that campaign.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:14 AM (Y92Nd)

152 And the budget isn't worth it. After $16 trillion, what's another $900 billion?

Posted by: dawnfire82 at December 09, 2013 11:10 AM (1/hzQ)



What a lovely and succinct summary of the attitude that has fucked the United States crosswise with a pineapple.

Your lovely strategy has a fatal flaw.

With this brand of GOP completely in charge, there wouldn't be any rollbacks.  If you disagree, I would ask you for evidence to the contrary during the brief period that the GOP held Congress and the Presidency.

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 07:14 AM (/29Nl)

153 and smacks Bannion for patting areas publically.

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 11:06 AM (nqBYe)


So privately is a-ok?  How you doin

Posted by: Red Shirt at December 09, 2013 07:15 AM (FIDMq)

154 144
And I get reassured that deciding no longer to vote in federal elections was the right decision.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2013 11:13 AM (MaP11)


More and more people are sitting it out. Voting just doesn't seem to make a difference anymore. Somebody said, correctly, that "America is in that awkward in-between time: too late to work within the system but too soon for armed insurrection."

Posted by: joncelli, looking for his outrage at December 09, 2013 07:15 AM (RD7QR)

155 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 10:58 AM (6T8Ay) They sure as hell talk like it's a defined benefit plan. (Obviously not the TSP part which is a 401k equivalent). The "basic Benefit" part is sold as a percentage of Salary benefit after you retire. Unless we have sweepingly different definitions of "defined benefit plan." Or unless (like most things government) it's just incredibly misleading advertising .

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 07:15 AM (GaqMa)

156 Unicorn sharks are a thing: http://bit.ly/1ksL6K4 Okay, technically, it's a goblin shark but look at it! Unicorn shark.


Stabby is the unicorn unicorn. The unicorn shark is Bitey.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 11:12 AM (VtjlW)

 

Goblin sharks are freakin' CREEPY.     Especially when they're out of the water and all... well, gobliny.   Their name is well-suited.

 

*wonders if can find crochet pattern for goblin shark to give to AtC with Stabby...*

 

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 07:15 AM (4df7R)

157 Vote for us, we're not registered as Democrats! Posted by: mugiwara at December 09, 2013 11:14 AM (W7ffl) That's why "primary" is a noun and a verb.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:15 AM (Y92Nd)

158 What a bunch of bumbling idiots running that campaign.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 11:14 AM (Y92Nd)

Forget it Jake, it's republitown

Posted by: Red Shirt at December 09, 2013 07:16 AM (FIDMq)

159 *rests head on shoulder* My team was super mean to me yesterday and we have to go to trial tomorrow and this being a grown up thing SUCKS.
 

Oh!  In order to make things right in your world, my Queen, I had Giselle Bunchen-Brady's microderm abrasion cream replaced with 50 grit sandpaper.

And I had Bernard Pollard traded to the Dolphins for next week's game.  So...there should be at least one more Patriot with a ripped ACL next week.

Will this make you feel better?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 07:16 AM (6T8Ay)

160 ouch , i asked for that.

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:17 AM (nqBYe)

161 @142 MPPPP: I think you have pretty accurately distilled the problem.

God help us all.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 09, 2013 07:17 AM (wtvvX)

162 The Donks never criticize their most extreme members. Barky just appeared on MSNBC despite just losing to of itshost due to blatant hate speech. Bill Ayers is not condemned. The Donks play to their base.

The Rethugs continually spit in their base's face.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 09, 2013 07:17 AM (Hx5uv)

163

Tattoo, yep.  I was so depressed after election night, it lasted like a week.  But when I see this shit come down, I actually take heart.

 

Right here, right now.  No more fucking NEXT GUY UP routine.  We need a solid litmus test for national candidates.  Period.  No more Bob Doles, John McCains, or Mitt Romneys.  Fucking squishes all.  I liked GWB, but let's be honest, he didn't win the popular vote in 2000 and his great response on 9-11 is what got him back in 2004.

 

It's time we take politics seriously, and not just as a fucking game to pad the ruling GOP class elite's pockets and their friends.

 

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 09, 2013 07:18 AM (tVTLU)

164 Don't know if he's still there but for the longest time there was a guy at HA who posted nothing but "The GOP will betray you." He was right every time he posted that.

Posted by: ayup at December 09, 2013 07:18 AM (J4Gi+)

165 *comforts* I must admit when my Pats beat the Browns, my first thought was, "Oh dear. Poor AtC!" Well, technically my first thought was, "DAMMIT, GRONK!" But that's par for the course. I have no unicorn shark, but will a narwhal do? http://bit.ly/1aOrf2v Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 11:11 AM (4df7R) I must admit that I thought "At least MWR is happy". After all the profanity of course. Siiiiiigh. I looooooove narwhals. Love them like cake. I went to CT to go to the first Moron Meetup a day earlier so that I could go to the aquarium because narwhals! BC, I am taking the ass kissing under advisement.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 07:18 AM (VtjlW)

166 Unless we have sweepingly different definitions of "defined benefit plan." Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 11:15 AM (GaqMa)

I assure you, that FERS is nothing like CSRS.  Quite.

And since you're a (VERY) youngin, I'll forgive your ignorance.

THIS TIME.

Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 07:18 AM (6T8Ay)

167 Now, multiply her by all the other tax-fatted, worthless homunculi squatting on Capitol Hill, daring to stand up on their hind legs atop their feculent mound of power and lecturing us to sit down and shut up. None of them have any reason to fear the collapse because they will be able to escape it.

Prove me wrong. I sincerely doubt you can.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 11:12 AM (zF6Iw)


sheesh i would give anything to be capable of writing  that .

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:19 AM (nqBYe)

168 And I had Bernard Pollard traded to the Dolphins for next week's game. So...there should be at least one more Patriot with a ripped ACL next week.

It makes ME feel better, at least.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 09, 2013 07:20 AM (ZKzrr)

169 MP4, it's mean to post such a cromulent comment when I have no alcohol at work. Oh! In order to make things right in your world, my Queen, I had Giselle Bunchen-Brady's microderm abrasion cream replaced with 50 grit sandpaper. And I had Bernard Pollard traded to the Dolphins for next week's game. So...there should be at least one more Patriot with a ripped ACL next week. Will this make you feel better? Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 11:16 AM (6T8Ay) *sniffles* A little bit. *sniffles*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 07:20 AM (VtjlW)

170 Ryan wants to make a deal so that the House will be free to focus on amnesty. Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at December 09, 2013 10:35 AM (DPMu1) Bingo. Boehner's already called in the experts.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:20 AM (Y92Nd)

171 None of them have any reason to fear the collapse because they will be able to escape it.


I doubt they've really thought this through.  I don't think there's any escaping it.  These people need infrastructure the same as everyone.  They will do better, longer, but eventually someone will come to count coup.

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 07:21 AM (/29Nl)

172

Guys, maybe we're being too harsh.  I've heard that Paul Ryan has a plan to get us to a balanced budget in 20 fucking years.  Racking up more debt that entire time, of course.

 

Just wait until interest rates normalize at 5%.  You think we have problems now?  National debt still increased when we had surpluses under Clinton.  Why?  Interest on the debt.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 09, 2013 07:21 AM (tVTLU)

173

I looooooove narwhals. Love them like cake. I went to CT to go to the first Moron Meetup a day earlier so that I could go to the aquarium because narwhals!

 

I'm not surprised!   They're basically like what would happen   if you bred     a manatee with a unicorn, both of which are AtC approved    Animals    to be    Wanting.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 07:21 AM (4df7R)

174 in fact one of my children is giving me quite a fright in the way he is conducting his life.

trade ya?

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:21 AM (nqBYe)

175

Grognard:

 

If it gets as bad as I think it may down the road, there might be a Black Friday in DC.  And if you know the history of that, no, some of them won't escape it...

Posted by: prescient11 at December 09, 2013 07:22 AM (tVTLU)

176

Thank you, willow, for the bagel.  It was just what I needed.   *noms happily*

 

*the headdesks*  I just had to try and explain to a coworker how to open a .jpg.  "Double click on it" was not   clear enough.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 07:22 AM (4df7R)

177 Come on, Drew, Ryan's just greasing the wheels on that issue to get immigration "reform" passed to bring all of those future GOP voters online.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 09, 2013 07:23 AM (vjQ/G)

178 Honey I sharpened the Pitchfork.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at December 09, 2013 07:24 AM (j6DTo)

179 If it gets as bad as I think it may down the road, there might be a Black Friday in DC. And if you know the history of that, no, some of them won't escape it...

Posted by: prescient11 at December 09, 2013 11:22 AM (tVTLU)



It's not hard to find examples of people who will not let this sort of demolition of the United States go unpunished. Don't even have to hit the dark net to find them.

They are just waiting for events to progress past the point of no return.  Then they will collect the debt.  And they will be very patient.

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 07:24 AM (/29Nl)

180 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 11:18 AM (6T8Ay) "Nothing like" is true. I never meant to claim they were equal. "Still broken, and likely to fail due to overly optimistic projections" is also true, IMHO. As I've said, I've only done a bit of the math, and it's admittedly back of the napkin, but let's face it, the feds and IL have a lot in common recently. I suspect underfunding is one of those things.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 07:24 AM (GaqMa)

181 The GOP braintrust is expecting to increase federal spending and pass amnesty, while using Stalincare to still hold congress.  They aren't for smaller      government, they just want to be     the  ones who sign off on larger government.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 09, 2013 07:25 AM (/i3Yt)

182 ok  on the positive side isn't it nice to actually know they will not be doing anything to assist in the finacial solvency of our childrens futures?


I think it is preferable to standing with them while they pretend to do something  significant and crying later  when they  end up "saving"  5 dollars  and only because of awesome accounting skills.  .

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:25 AM (nqBYe)

183 Now, multiply her by all the other tax-fatted, worthless homunculi squatting on Capitol Hill, daring to stand up on their hind legs atop their feculent mound of power and lecturing us to sit down and shut up. None of them have any reason to fear the collapse because they will be able to escape it. Prove me wrong. I sincerely doubt you can. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing Fear "the collapse"? No. The "after collapse"? A TRUE collapse? The kind where ropes come out for those that caused it? They'd better.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2013 07:25 AM (h1D+w)

184 Maybe Ryan actually thinks the sequester design is a lame way to cut spending. Not that it'd occur to an "all cuts are good" type like DrewM, where conservatism is fully measured in how much you hack out, regardless of how.

Posted by: blue.dot at December 09, 2013 07:25 AM (mAFJ3)

185 What the hell happened to Paul Ryan? 

I mean, I thought it was incredibly stupid (politically) of him to push a bill that changes MediCare when you know it was going to be shot down with glee, but I thought "here's a guy that's willing to go the mat for conservative policy" but he's McCain 2.0

Posted by: McAdams at December 09, 2013 07:25 AM (2TMCu)

186 >>...I've got a bridge to sell you so leave your email address in the comments.

I'm totes interested! Would you accept a billion dollar coin as payment?

Hope! Change! Underpants Gnome profit schemes reign supreme!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2013 07:26 AM (JRmiD)

187 I only believe in cutting the cheese.

Posted by: blow.dot at December 09, 2013 07:26 AM (vjQ/G)

188 @184 My wife hates when I talk that way..

Posted by: 7 Days in May at December 09, 2013 07:27 AM (j6DTo)

189 I have to say maybe rockmom is right. We need to get back to "normal" budgeting, and less CR stuff, so that means a budget that can pass both houses. I also think the Dems would love a big shutdowm showdown again...anything to get Obamacare off the table.

Posted by: sexypig at December 09, 2013 07:28 AM (dZQh7)

190 Posted by: blue.dot at December 09, 2013 11:25 AM (mAFJ3 I can't believe I'm about to defend Drew, but here it goes: Lame though they were, it was the only way to get cuts. We finally got guaranteed cuts. Not hypothetical cuts down the road, real cuts now. (I guess they were reductions in increases, but the point remains, stuff now.) And we're giving it away. We're highly unlikely to get that again.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 07:28 AM (GaqMa)

191 ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Posted by: prescient11 at December 09, 2013 11:18 AM (tVTLU) I'm feeling good about claiming Graham's scalp in SC and mailing it to McShame in AZ.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:28 AM (Y92Nd)

192
If it gets as bad as I think it may down the road, there might be a Black Friday in DC. And if you know the history of that, no, some of them won't escape it...



It's not hard to transpose the geography of a public square in Tehran with the National Mall in DC.  And in this age, it's not hard to imagine that history will repeat itself.



The question is - who will be in the Mall?

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 07:28 AM (/29Nl)

193 Lob off the zeros and you get:

$1,015 in guaranteed spending and a _possible_ $65 in cuts---or 6.4%.

You know how people beat down the doors on Black Friday to save 6.5%?
 
Yeah.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 09, 2013 07:28 AM (VjL9S)

194 185 Blue Duck,

Hey Blue Duck every cut is murder, unless it is defense in which case it is brave...


Posted by: sven at December 09, 2013 07:29 AM (9jfyN)

195 Posted by: sexypig at December 09, 2013 11:28 AM (dZQh7) None of this matters as long as the government doesn't have to utilize good accounting standards. THAT comes first. Before that, every budget is just a numbers game to hide the real problem.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 07:29 AM (GaqMa)

196 All cuts are indeed good.  Frankly, I would love to see a 10% cut in every     single program, because every single program has at least that much fat.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 09, 2013 07:29 AM (/i3Yt)

197 I'm feeling good about claiming Graham's scalp in SC and mailing it to McShame in AZ.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 11:28 AM (Y92Nd)


from your keyboard to ....

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 07:29 AM (nqBYe)

198 LiFB. The fire will cleanse much.

Posted by: toby928© at December 09, 2013 07:29 AM (QupBk)

199 *the headdesks* I just had to try and explain to a coworker how to open a .jpg. "Double click on it" was not clear enough. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 11:22 AM (4df7R) Multiple times a week I get emails forwarded to me from The Secretary because "they have weird attachments that won't open." *opens email* *double clicks attachment* *prints* Yeah, that was rough.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 07:29 AM (da5Wo)

200

They've discovered a new cold weather cockroach in New York City.

 

Then they realized, "Oh, never mind, it's just De Blasio."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 07:29 AM (4df7R)

201 sheesh i would give anything to be capable of writing that .

 

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2013 11:19 AM (nqBYe)

 

You're very kind, willow.  It's a chore to write without exploding into profanity.  But these days, the absolute idiocy, unresponsiveness and arrogance of the government is driving my blood pressure sky-high.

 

Let me just say that when it comes to the left and most of the right, I have a pretty good idea of how Marat and Roland Friesler must have felt.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 07:29 AM (zF6Iw)

202 Out negotiated by Patty Murray. Following Luis Gutierrez's lead on immigration. He sure was a misread, wasn't he.

Posted by: ejo at December 09, 2013 07:30 AM (GXvSO)

203 Two things that unfortunately remain true yet are constantly misrepresented or forgotten. 1 The GOP as currently (past 70 or so years) configured IS NOT an opposition party. 2 Representative government in DC is a fantasy. Â…Â…No. 1 is not unrelated to No. 2, and the GOP can be easily confused with No. 2

Posted by: ontherocks at December 09, 2013 07:30 AM (UevTI)

204 I think I seriously might mail the old fart a blond wig in the mail with a newspaper headline and a note that reads, "Better think about retiring."

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:30 AM (Y92Nd)

205 Yeah, that was rough.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 11:29 AM (da5Wo)

 

Why?  Why is there so much stupid?   I just... *flail*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 07:30 AM (4df7R)

206 It's truly amazing how the big GOP "stars" like Christie, Ryan and Rubio have become complete and utter FAILs.  Stupid party, indeed.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2013 07:30 AM (+bhTC)

207 The status quo is all we know.

Posted by: GOP at December 09, 2013 07:31 AM (vYB+W)

208 Reading about some guy who won "big" at a casino in Philly who was abducted, beaten, and shot. But when I looked at the amount they stole, it was 3800 bucks. To kidnap and attempt to murder someone for such a paltry amount. Sheesh!

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 09, 2013 07:31 AM (h4eud)

209 Brian York was on radio today saying that Obama's income equality push will be primarily to tax the hell out of the rich.
The good news is that you are rich.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 09, 2013 07:31 AM (Hx5uv)

210
Unicorn sharks are a thing: http://bit.ly/1ksL6K4 Okay, technically, it's a goblin shark but look at it! Unicorn shark.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 11:12 AM (VtjlW)










Goblin Shark my patootie. Where are the Orc Sharks with AK-47s? Great Uruk-hai Sharks carrying Phased Plasma Rifles in the 40 watt range?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2013 07:31 AM (TIIx5)

211 This is why the "Chicago Way" is so chuffing hard to get rid of. Obamas one big accomplishment was to decouple the budget from any form of restraint or reality, i.e.. trillions, trillions went to his cronies and instead of raising taxes he robbed your children and grandchildren, etc to do it. Now, the Reps want their turn at unfettered gravy slurping to give to their cronies. That's all this is. Nothing more. Amnesty gives both them and the Dims a whole new pool of suckers to pander to while they steal from those who work hard and follow the rules. Awesome.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 09, 2013 07:31 AM (0cMkb)

212 Come on, Drew, Ryan's just greasing the wheels on that issue to get immigration "reform" passed to bring all of those future GOP voters online. Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2013 11:23 AM (vjQ/G) ------------------------- After Drew beat Gabe about the head and neck over his stupid immigration ideas, JohnE had a good question, which of course went unanswered: With an unbelievably low participation rate in the labor force right now, why the FUCK would you want to dump a few more million laborers into the workforce? Record numbers of Americans on unemployment, food stamps and welfare - let's make MORE of them. Fucking genius.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 09, 2013 07:32 AM (CJjw5)

213 Keep the focus on Obamacare.  $50bn is a drop in the bucket. 

Posted by: Geraldine Ferraro at December 09, 2013 07:32 AM (XpAxm)

214 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 09, 2013 11:32 AM (CJjw5) Because everyone one of the government dependent people (be they imported or created by the import of workers) will be natural conservatives! I think? Maybe? Sure.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 07:33 AM (GaqMa)

215 With an unbelievably low participation rate in the labor force right now, why the FUCK would you want to dump a few more million laborers into the workforce?
-
Because equality, diversity, and shit.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 09, 2013 07:34 AM (Hx5uv)

216 209: Our govt. just does the same thing by sending you a letter from the IRS.

Posted by: Kafiroon at December 09, 2013 07:35 AM (U0DWi)

217 Because equality, diversity, and shit. and the middle class.

Posted by: toby928© at December 09, 2013 07:35 AM (QupBk)

218 You know we praise Amazon in comparison to 404Care?

I am about to start stabbing Amazon Payments. 

My credit union does not support Instant Verify.  So had to wait 5 to 7 business days to see the Amazon deposits in the account.  Well the deposits happened and I want to verify.

Should be simple right?  But NO!  Amazon Payments is only saying 'having problems with Instant Verify' and no sign at all of how to enter the deposit amounts.  There is not even a search window. and Help is worthless.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 07:36 AM (5oAy6)

219 Oh no, amigo! There goes my trolling job!

Posted by: azul.dot at December 09, 2013 07:36 AM (vjQ/G)

220 Yeah, that was rough.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 11:29 AM (da5Wo)

The only logical explanation to her still being there is that your Granddad and Dad value incompetence. highly.

Because if they didn't....she'd be gone.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 07:36 AM (6T8Ay)

221
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Posted by: prescient11 at December 09, 2013 11:18 AM (tVTLU)

I'm feeling good about claiming Graham's scalp in SC and mailing it to McShame in AZ.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 11:28 AM (Y92Nd)











This was once a custom of my people. In my lifetime I shall take two. This is the first.

Posted by: Major Joe Makatozi at December 09, 2013 07:36 AM (TIIx5)

222 Why? Why is there so much stupid? I just... *flail* Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 11:30 AM (4df7R) Balance my dear, there must be balance. Just remember, whenever you see a really fucking stupid idiot, that's how smart you are.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 07:37 AM (da5Wo)

223 72 Honestly whatnis Paul Ryan good for? He is the kind of idiot who can't even carry his own district in a presidential race, he gives constant ammunition to the left. He loves spending in general, he just wants to cut social security and medicare, the only programs that go to everyone.
Posted by: Roy

This is also what I find maddening.  I don't really believe this, but it's almost like he's a plant for the Left. 

It's like the one entitlement he wants to go after is far and away the most popular that everyone knows is NEVER going to be cut by a Democrat President and Senate.

I really couldn't think of a bigger gift to Democrats than when Ryan decided that was going to be the crusade for the newly minted Republican House.

And what happens when we get something that approaches real cuts in our government?  He can't wait to cut a deal to restore them.

And enough with the military bullshit from the Super Hawks, the military wastes money just like every other government agency.  We're not going to be conquered because the Pentagon can't get a shiny new trillion dollar jet fighter. 

Posted by: McAdams at December 09, 2013 07:37 AM (2TMCu)

224
I saw "Goblin Shark My Patootie" open for the "Smashing Pumpkins" at the Iowa State Fair in 1998.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2013 07:37 AM (nELVU)

225 Because everyone one of the government dependent people (be they imported or created by the import of workers) will be natural conservatives! I think? Maybe? Sure. ------------------------------ Oh, it's worse. Sooper Jeenyus claims that only 30% of these imports will break for the conservatives. Thirty. Percent. Meaning that seventy percent will break for the Democrats. So, even though we're losing seventy percent to thirty, don't worry: We'll make it up in volume! Here's another thing to consider - he's somebody's staffer. This fucking simpleton is actually making policy. Sleep tight.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 09, 2013 07:37 AM (CJjw5)

226 "It's truly amazing how the big GOP 'stars' like Christie, Ryan and Rubio have become complete and utter FAILs." There were murmurings about Rubio when he ran, but Crist had already climbed into bed with the Dems. He truly was a RINO at that point, but that's not to say that Rubio shouldn't be primaried. It looks like he will run for POTUS in 2016, though. He and Christie and Ryan and Jon Huntsman can all split the establishment vote and let the best conservative win.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:37 AM (Y92Nd)

227 Let's assume for a minute that the premise "this is the way things work" is right, and that the GOP has to be pragmatic and yet again, pick a different battle.

After this passes, the Dems will be grinning and backslapping for their first budget that made it past the House in 5 years. Make no mistake, this was their lowball figure - it is a win for them.

Who is going to be there grinning with them, and celebrating bipartisanship?

Here's a pro tip: if you have to do something for expediency, explain that.  Then explain your plan for changing things down the road.  And make it a plan with teeth.  Build in some expediency.  Help people understand that.

But you never hear them say they are voting under protest. All they do is grin along with the rest, while lapping up Dem ball sweat.

If you're giving them everything but a few half-pennies on the dollar, YOU LOST.
 

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 07:38 AM (/29Nl)

228 This was once a custom of my people. In my lifetime I shall take two. This is the first. Awesome book. As good as L'Amour's westerns were, I liked his non-westerns the best.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 09, 2013 07:38 AM (CJjw5)

229

Paul Ryan and Patty Murray walk into a bar.

 

The bartender says  " What can I get you"

 

They said  "give us the most expensive bottle of scotch you have and put  it  on our tab"

 

The bartender says  " The bar has too many deliquent tabs now and can't accept anymore or we will go broke and have to close"

 

They said  "  Don't think of it as a tab.  Think of it as an off set "   

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 09, 2013 07:38 AM (m2CN7)

230 @216 With an unbelievably low participation rate in the labor force right
now, why the FUCK would you want to dump a few more million laborers
into the workforce?
-
Because equality, diversity, and shit.

Obamacare, si  se puede!

Posted by: Mexican youth at December 09, 2013 07:39 AM (5ikDv)

231 "I really couldn't think of a bigger gift to Democrats than when Ryan decided that was going to be the crusade for the newly minted Republican House." Yeeeeehaaaaaw! Young Guns ride again!

Posted by: Rootin Tootin Eric Cantor Wont at December 09, 2013 07:40 AM (Y92Nd)

232 Because if they didn't....she'd be gone. Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 11:36 AM (6T8Ay) *sigh* It's too long and so far removed from anything even being discussed here that I'm not going to type it all out. I'll send you an email one day when my blood pressure is too low.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 07:40 AM (da5Wo)

233
This was once a custom of my people. In my lifetime I shall take two. This is the first.

Awesome book. As good as L'Amour's westerns were, I liked his non-westerns the best.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 09, 2013 11:38 AM (CJjw5)










Word, brother. That line is one of my favorite bits of badmotherfuckerism in literature.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2013 07:40 AM (TIIx5)

234 You're very kind, willow. It's a chore to write without exploding into profanity. But these days, the absolute idiocy, unresponsiveness and arrogance of the government is driving my blood pressure sky-high. Exploding is easier. Side benefit? Leaves no room for misunderstanding what you are saying.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2013 07:40 AM (h1D+w)

235 >>With an unbelievably low participation rate in the labor force right now, why the FUCK would you want to dump a few more million laborers into the workforce? Record numbers of Americans on unemployment, food stamps and welfare - let's make MORE of them. Fucking genius. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 09, 2013 11:32 AM (CJjw5) Definitive proof that both of my earlier points are true, No opposition party Representative government in DC is fantasy The only opposition is The TEA Party, and according to the Rules For Radicals crowd THEY'RE STUPID and RACIST.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 09, 2013 07:40 AM (UevTI)

236 Obamacare, si se puede! Posted by: Mexican youth at December 09, 2013 11:39 AM (5ikDv) Even the Dreamers aren't buying that shit burrito.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 09, 2013 07:41 AM (Y92Nd)

237 It's a chore to write without exploding into profanity. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 11:29 AM (zF6Iw) That's why I don't bother, after all, Effort Is Bad. OMFG DIE SQUIRREL DIE STOP TRYING TO GNAW YOUR WAY IN THROUGH THAT WINDOW YOU TREERAT ARRRRRGGGHHHHHH
Stupid Outside.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 07:41 AM (VtjlW)

238 I gave up ALL trust of Ryan when he grinningly allowed himself to be photo'd lifting weights for what looked like a shoot for some cheesy homo-beefcake calendar. Call it a gut reaction but that said something about the guy (not about his sexuality but about his ego).

Posted by: ayup at December 09, 2013 07:41 AM (J4Gi+)

239 Exploding is easier. Side benefit? Leaves no room for misunderstanding what you are saying.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2013 11:40 AM (h1D+w)

See?!??!?!

THIS is what we're saying!!!!

Posted by: Some Goat Fucking Jihadi[/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 09, 2013 07:41 AM (6T8Ay)

240 Sometimes being kind to an inept employee hurts the business more grievously than just firing them.  See the Federal government and Capitol Hill.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 07:42 AM (5oAy6)

241 Just in case you morons didn't know it - Stabbing a person in the heart area, irrespective of a vest or not, is a dangerous activity. http://tinyurl.com/l93u25e

Posted by: RWC at December 09, 2013 07:43 AM (fWAjv)

242 Stupid Outside. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 11:41 AM (VtjlW) I can't decide if your easy switching back and forth between witty commentary and psychotic exploding rage is attractive or frightening.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 07:43 AM (da5Wo)

243 "I can't decide if your easy switching back and forth between witty commentary and psychotic exploding rage is attractive or frightening. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 11:43 AM"

As long as the psychotic rage is directed at the squirrels, it's kinda hot.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2013 07:45 AM (knoK7)

244 Word, brother. That line is one of my favorite bits of badmotherfuckerism in literature. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2013 11:40 AM (TIIx5) --------------------------- That, and in The Walking Drum, where Kerbouchard sacks Tournamine's castle and hits him right in his manhood: "You took down the table."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 09, 2013 07:46 AM (CJjw5)

245

That's why I don't bother, after all, Effort Is Bad.

 

That's what the gubmint told me!




OMFG DIE SQUIRREL DIE STOP TRYING TO GNAW YOUR WAY IN THROUGH THAT WINDOW YOU TREERAT ARRRRRGGGHHHHHH




Stupid Outside.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 11:41 AM (VtjlW)

 

I wonder WHY they want to get in so badly.   Is the window coated with the squirrel version of catnip?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 07:46 AM (4df7R)

246 I can't decide if your easy switching back and forth between witty commentary and psychotic exploding rage is attractive or frightening. Just don't use your real name.

Posted by: toby sunshine at December 09, 2013 07:46 AM (QupBk)

247

This is why I believe we will have a second revolution in this country. 

 

Last night I thoroughly enjoyed telling a loud mouthed liberal broad who was saying how dreamy Obama is that I was a proud member of the Tea Party.  She looked at me horrified.  Enjoyed it I did!

Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2013 07:46 AM (G+Wff)

248 But hey, cheer up! Sure the GOP is going to sell you out on spending but they'll give you amnesty later in the year as a makeup present. Feel better? -Drew Boy, I can hardly wait for all the make up screw jobs us conservatives are about to receive. Thanks little boy wonder Ryan

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 09, 2013 07:47 AM (HVff2)

249 Sometimes being kind to an inept employee hurts the business more grievously than just firing them.

I've always depended on the kindness of idiots.

Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at December 09, 2013 07:47 AM (ZKzrr)

250 a stranger's just a friend you haven't met Street Car!

Posted by: toby sunshine at December 09, 2013 07:48 AM (QupBk)

251 Just signed up for my new insurance and got pissed off all over again.

Posted by: DangerGirl at December 09, 2013 07:48 AM (0MVzQ)

252 I went out for a short walk and when I got home. I had to scrape some GOP off the bottom of my shoe.

Posted by: Barky McFucklepants at December 09, 2013 07:48 AM (Cs2tJ)

253 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 09, 2013 11:37 AM (CJjw5) "We're all emotivists now." And in that vein, I confess, we (the right) may have been outflanked on this one. The left tells a few sob stories, claims we want to break up families at gunpoint (I'm surprised they haven't blown up the Elian Gonzalas picture from years back) and gets on the "winning side" of the argument. I'm honestly note sure "boarder enforcement" is a sellable position to the LIVs in light of that. I'm not saying amnesty is "right" as much as I'm saying in a cultural milieu such as this, it might be inevitable.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 07:49 AM (GaqMa)

254 conservative republican turns out to be big government asshole. what a surprise.

Posted by: X at December 09, 2013 07:49 AM (KHo8t)

255 I can't decide if your easy switching back and forth between witty commentary and psychotic exploding rage is attractive or frightening. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 11:43 AM (da5Wo) Yes. I wonder WHY they want to get in so badly. Is the window coated with the squirrel version of catnip? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 11:46 AM (4df7R) Because it's 34 degrees and pouring Outside and it's not Inside is my guess.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 07:49 AM (VtjlW)

256 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 11:46 AM (4df7R) I was told by a roofer that the lead lined flashing is sweet so squirrels eat the ever loving shit out of it. Then of course they get Lead poisoning, which I could care less about, but my flashing gets destroyed.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 07:50 AM (GaqMa)

257 Your nuts ... how much for your nuts?

Posted by: the squirrels at December 09, 2013 07:50 AM (QupBk)

258

I can't decide if your easy switching back and forth between witty commentary and psychotic exploding rage is attractive or frightening.

 

Think of her as our very own Red Queen.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 07:51 AM (zF6Iw)

259 Squirrel 1, "Hey look at this human in a cage!"

Squirrel 2, "I wish I was in there warm and dry."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 07:51 AM (5oAy6)

260 So I just set up my end of the year visit to the Indian Point nuclear plant for Friday morning. I just checked the calendar and it'll be Friday the 13th! I was hoping to get bit by a radioactive spider or at a minimum a radioactive tardigrade last time I was there, but no dice. I'm thinking this time maybe I'll try to walk under a radioactive ladder or something to that effect.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 09, 2013 07:51 AM (W7ffl)

261

The GOP beltway leadership relies on something akin to battered wife syndrome.  No matter how many times they slap their political base in the face, they figure that we'll look at the alternative and come home on election day.  They are oblivious fools.  If amnesty is passed, the Republican party is DEAD.  Those who oppose it will garner the support of the base, but as far as support for the party structure as a whole is concerned, that will disintegrate immediately.  It's sad that they can't see this.

 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 09, 2013 07:51 AM (S11Oq)

262 In reading around this am, I spotted an article (at Fox I think) about the budget deal, and in the second para they stated something like this deal won't do much to decrease the debt....
 
No, shithead, this deal doesn't do ANYTHING to decrease the debt. NOTHING. Much worse than NOTHING. Yes, I am shouting at shithead commentary that goes like that, no matter the source.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2013 07:52 AM (cHZB7)

263 Because it's 34 degrees and pouring Outside and it's not Inside is my guess.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 11:49 AM (VtjlW)

 

That would definitely be a good reason.  I'm pretty sure, were I in teh squirrels' position, I, too, would be gnawing at the window trying to get in.   And my reason for not using the door would be that gnawing at the lead-lined flashing had rotted my brain.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 07:52 AM (4df7R)

264 >>Boy, I can hardly wait for all the make up screw jobs us conservatives are about to receive. Thanks little boy wonder Ryan There are a total of 29 people on the negotiating team, its not just Ryan and Murray. There are even a couple Tea Party members on the house side, Tom Price and Diane Black.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2013 07:52 AM (g1DWB)

265 I can't decide if your easy switching back and forth between witty commentary and psychotic exploding rage is attractive or frightening.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 11:43 AM (da5Wo)

Yes.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 09, 2013 07:52 AM (fwARV)

266 I'm honestly note sure "boarder enforcement" is a sellable position to the LIVs in light of that. I'm not saying amnesty is "right" as much as I'm saying in a cultural milieu such as this, it might be inevitable. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 11:49 AM (GaqMa) I seem to remember being told this in 1986. Along with Serious You Guys if we do this then we will super totes enforce the border from now on pinky swear.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 07:53 AM (VtjlW)

267 Then of course they get Lead poisoning, which I could care less about, but my flashing gets destroyed. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 11:50 AM (GaqMa) Twice my parents had squirrels chew their way into the attic and start destroying shit. Including having someone come out and trap the attic squirrels and fix the damage, it cost them several thousand dollars. Dad went and bought a pellet rifle. Pissed off the neighbors, but no more squirrel problem.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 07:54 AM (da5Wo)

268

So Colin Powell comes out and says that we need socialized medicine just like Canada and Europe!!!!!  What a fricken genius he is!  With Colin it is all about supporting his boyfriend in the WH. 

 

 I would like one, just one media type to ask him why he champions socialized medicine when the VA can't even clear their backlog of 400K vets waiting for their benefits.  Certainly he cares about veterans right?   Oh, and wouldn't it be great if he would let us all know when he and his family sign up for O care, eh General?

Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2013 07:54 AM (G+Wff)

269 I wonder WHY they want to get in so badly. Is the window coated with the squirrel version of catnip? aka, peanut butter...

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2013 07:54 AM (h1D+w)

270 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 11:53 AM (VtjlW) Eh, perhaps I should be clear. I think we should do [/]nothing at all rather than another round of amnesty. (Although my obvious goal is something real in boarder and visa security.) I weep for the destruction of morality, not offer any policy conclusions in the aforementioned post.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 07:55 AM (GaqMa)

271 ATC   and a squirrel walk into a bar.   ATC offers to buy the squirrel a drink and covertly  slips posion  into it. 

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 09, 2013 07:56 AM (m2CN7)

Posted by: FRANK ZAPPA at December 09, 2013 07:57 AM (5WkPq)

273 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 11:54 AM (da5Wo) This house had squirrels before we moved in (removed during the renovation.) I don't think they've gotten in again but there's 14" if insulation now in the attic, so to be honest I wouldn't hear them if they had. (But on the flip side that insulation means the attic more or less holds outside temperature now rather than being warm, so I doubt it's as comfortable as other, uninsulated attics."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 09, 2013 07:57 AM (GaqMa)

274 Twice my parents had squirrels chew their way into the attic and start destroying shit. Including having someone come out and trap the attic squirrels and fix the damage, it cost them several thousand dollars. Dad went and bought a pellet rifle. Pissed off the neighbors, but no more squirrel problem. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 11:54 AM (da5Wo) Several years ago, Mommy decided to go back to work in order to have some extra going out to dinner and on vacations money and to get out of the house so as not to throttle my dad. She hates squirrels. Hates squirrels with the passion of 10,000 burning suns because the squirrels get into her bird feeders. She got a job in the office of a pest control company whose main job was getting squirrels out of houses. I laughed so hard when she told me.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 07:57 AM (VtjlW)

275

268

Colin Powell is a Democrat.  He always has been.  He has identified with the Republican party for the purpose of career advancement only.  I bet if someone asked him why he doesn't identify himself as a Democrat, he'd give them a blank stare.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 09, 2013 07:58 AM (S11Oq)

276 Ok, Drew, let's review the situation, shall we?

The "TEA Party caucus" / "cut the size of government caucus" decided, and the exhortation of people like you, that we had to have a "fight" over ObamaCare, even though every single individual with a functioning brain knew that we'd lose the fight.  The rest of the Republican Party went along with them.

What happened?

We lost the fight, real conservative Ken Cuccinelli lost the VA Gov race to Terry McCauliff (sp?), RINO Chris Christi won his Gov race in a blow out, and the Republican brand was seriously hammered with the American people.  (Yes, it recovered, or at least the Democrats got hammered more, because of the ObamaCare rollout.  You know, the thing you strategic geniuses were fighting so hard to prevent.  Just think where it would be if we had NOT spend the first half of October fighting to no victory!)

Now, having destroyed all your capital with the rest of the Republican Party, you profess to be shocked with they ignore you, and the rest of us?  Really?

Thank you for demonstrating the sheer tactical and strategic genius of George Custer.  Because, frankly, if you're the least bit surprised by this, you're an idiot.

"ask them what in the world prevented the House from passing a "clean CR" that kept the sequester intact?"

Gee, I don't know.  Please do tell us, why didn't the House do that, back in late September?  Oh, that's right, it's because you emotional children were desperate for a "fight", and so you demanded that House Republicans NOT do that.

Thanks for fucking everything up, dudes.

Posted by: GregQ at December 09, 2013 07:59 AM (XXoyQ)

277 Here's a little tit-bit I picked up from trolling the web, h/t Stuart Schneiderman.  It really speaks to me, for a number of reasons:     I would add another point about the psychosocial side of depression and suicide.  
  People who have purposeful lives, who live in community, who fulfill their social duties and obligations are less likely to commit suicide. But, it is also true that people need to belong to a moral community, a community that has accomplished good and even great things, a community that has garnered more than its fair share of successes.
    There is, in other words, no great virtue in constantly talking down America, in constantly complaining about it, in failing to emphasize what is good and even great about the country. Making people feel that their nation is an organized criminal conspiracy, that it has exploited people, places and things is not going to make them want to live happy and productive lives.
    Talking America down is likely to produce, not to cure depression. Once a depressive state of mind finds a rule that requires people to express their feelings fully and to act spontaneously, you have a formula for suicide.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 08:00 AM (zF6Iw)

278 "ATC and a squirrel walk into a bar. ATC offers to buy the squirrel a drink and covertly slips posion into it. Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 09, 2013 11:56 AM"

"It's funny because the squirrel gets dead."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2013 08:01 AM (knoK7)

279 More of the same. The fact that Republicans had no intention of controlling spending increases was evident in 2007 when I gave up and registered Indy and stopped donating money. Voting is a useless exercise now, and I never thought I'd say that.

Posted by: Meremortal, back from the brink at December 09, 2013 08:01 AM (1Y+hH)

280 Thank you GWB for the appointment of Powell.

Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2013 08:01 AM (G+Wff)

281 264 >>Boy, I can hardly wait for all the make up screw jobs us conservatives are about to receive. Thanks little boy wonder Ryan There are a total of 29 people on the negotiating team, its not just Ryan and Murray. There are even a couple Tea Party members on the house side, Tom Price and Diane Black. Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2013 11:52 AM (g1DWB) Well then, guess the "tea party types" have jumped the shark and swallowed the Boy Wonder Koolaid-Aid. The math will catch up. Fuck em all.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 09, 2013 08:01 AM (HVff2)

282 " I liked GWB, but let's be honest, he didn't win the popular vote in 2000 ...

Posted by: prescient11 at December 09, 2013 11:18 AM (tVTLU)"



OK.  I know that it is not your main point but in reality nobody knows who won the popular vote in 2000.  The count for the popular vote was within a few thousand when Gray Davis, Democrat Governor of California, ordered a recount of all ballots. 



The way it works is that is that after election day if the election is not close enough for the number of absentee ballots and provisional ballots to make a difference, they are simply thrown away and not counted.  Even though Al Gore won overwhelmingly in California, Gray Davis ordered all the ballots to be counted which added three million popular votes to the Al Gore total without affecting any election results.  Republican governors like Rick Perry in Texas could have ordered similar recounts which would have spent additional money but not have changed the election results but they chose not to spend the money needlessly.  What those recounts would have done, though, is that they would have boosted the popular vote totals for George W.Bush.  Would the popular vote total for Bush have exceeded the total for Al Gore?  Nobody knows and with the ballots destroyed nobody will ever know.



That is how the Democrats created the meme that Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and now it is part of the conventional wisdom.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at December 09, 2013 08:01 AM (BcCwi)

Posted by: OZZY and RANDY at December 09, 2013 08:02 AM (5WkPq)

284 Colon Bowel has been pegged a phony for a very long time.
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2013/01/powells-stance.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 08:02 AM (5oAy6)

285

I'm honestly note sure "boarder enforcement" is a sellable position to the LIVs in light of that.

 

 

Especially considering so many of them are probably deadbeats who can't be bothered to pay their rent anyway.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 08:03 AM (4df7R)

286

Posted by: GregQ at December 09, 2013 11:59 AM (XXoyQ)

 

You make a lot  of assumptions .  

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 09, 2013 08:03 AM (m2CN7)

287 How was this not to be expected, the dude's a packers fan

This is why the whole "Wisconsin will save the GOP" thing was a farce from day 1.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2013 08:03 AM (B/VB5)

288

Gee, I don't know. Please do tell us, why didn't the House do that, back in late September? Oh, that's right, it's because you emotional children were desperate for a "fight", and so you demanded that House Republicans NOT do that.


Thanks for fucking everything up, dudes.

 

Have fun winning elections without we "emotional children," nickelfucker.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 08:04 AM (zF6Iw)

289 >>You make a lot of assumptions . Here? Not possible.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2013 08:04 AM (g1DWB)

290 Just signed up for my new insurance and got pissed off all over again.

Posted by: DangerGirl at December 09, 2013 11:48 AM (0MVzQ)


----


pissed off ??? 


Im thinking pissed on.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2013 08:04 AM (nELVU)

291 rockmom, you act like the Dems vs. the Republicans is comparable to a fight between Ali and a 5 year old schoolgirl. If that comparison were accurate, you'd have a point. You can't fight when you're outmatched, after all. But it's not like that at all. It's more like pro wrestling, which is to say that it's all staged. THAT is why we're pissed off. If the GOP actually tried, but failed, I would give them credit. But it's all fake. 95% of the Republicans are fucking IN ON THE SCAM. That's the fucking problem here, and I can't understand how some people can't see that.

Posted by: rfichoke at December 09, 2013 08:05 AM (wxgsq)

292 Have fun winning elections without we "emotional children," nickelfucker.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 12:04 PM (zF6Iw)



Bravo.  The only comeback that bullshit required.

Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 08:05 AM (/29Nl)

293

Holders version of the ATF still operating.

http://tinyurl.com/p47yonx

Posted by: maddogg at December 09, 2013 08:05 AM (xWW96)

294 Posted by: GregQ at December 09, 2013 11:59 AM (XXoyQ) You can't hear it, but this is my sarcastic laugh.

Posted by: Meremortal, back from the brink at December 09, 2013 08:07 AM (1Y+hH)

295
I saw "Nickelfucker" Open for "Nickleback" at the Dome in 2007.

Everybody was thoroughly confused.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2013 08:08 AM (nELVU)

296 95% of the Republicans are fucking IN ON THE SCAM. That's the fucking problem here, and I can't understand how some people can't see that.

Posted by: rfichoke at December 09, 2013 12:05 PM (wxgsq)



Two possible reasons:

1) Vested interest in the system operating the way it does now.

2) Psychological need for the current system to be legit, and for the GOP to be good-faith operators, because the alternative is horrifying.



Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 08:08 AM (/29Nl)

297

12 Months of Upton in the sidebar...

brb.

 

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2013 08:08 AM (5WkPq)

298 I wonder WHY they want to get in so badly. Is the window coated with the squirrel version of catnip? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit

Squirrels are Democrats.  They live to loot other people's stuff.

Posted by: mrp at December 09, 2013 08:08 AM (HjPtV)

299 It's over between us, Paul.

Posted by: PJ at December 09, 2013 08:08 AM (ZWaLo)

300 The "Canada On Strike" episode of South Park comes to mind, when the Canadians figure out exactly how much they lost due to the strike and confront the leadership over it.

*twisting idea from old thread into new jokes*

Can we set them all adrift.

I'm not your RINO, teabagger.
You're not my teabagger, squish.
I'm not your squish, wingnut.

*and re DC*

I'm not your serf, establishment.
We're not your establishment, taxcrop.
I'm not your taxcrop, parasites.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 09, 2013 08:10 AM (DL2i+)

301 The question is moot.

Posted by: Math at December 09, 2013 08:10 AM (QupBk)

302 I kinda want to print this out and rub this all over me: http://bit.ly/1bRS381 Also wtf it's snowing in Australia? Isn't it mid-summer there?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 08:11 AM (VtjlW)

303 282 " I liked GWB, but let's be honest, he didn't win the
popular vote in 2000 ...
Posted by: prescient11 at December 09, 2013 11:18 AM (tVTLU)"

OK. I know that it is not your main point but in reality nobody knows who won the popular vote in 2000. The count for the popular vote was within a few thousand when Gray Davis, Democrat Governor of California, ordered a recount of all ballots.


The way it works is that is that after election day if the election is not close enough for the number of absentee ballots and provisional ballots to make a difference, they are simply thrown away and not counted. Even though Al Gore won overwhelmingly in California, Gray Davis ordered all the ballots to be counted which added three million popular votes to the Al Gore total without affecting any election results. Republican governors like Rick Perry in Texas could have ordered similar recounts which would have spent additional money but not have changed the election results but they chose not to spend the money needlessly. What those recounts would have done, though, is that they would have boosted the popular vote totals for George W.Bush. Would the popular vote total for Bush have exceeded the total for Al Gore? Nobody knows and with the ballots destroyed nobody will ever know.


That is how the Democrats created the meme that Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and now it is part of the conventional wisdom.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole

Al Gore won the popular vote by about 500k votes.  To say if they did more digging, Bush would have made up that margin is not realistic.  Most provisional type ballots tend to go overwhelmingly for Democrats anyway.

Personally, I blame the media that basically called the race early, had that not happened, I think Bush would have won the popular vote and Al Gore would not have had the wind in his sails to litigate like he did in Florida.

Posted by: McAdams at December 09, 2013 08:11 AM (2TMCu)

304

pissed off ???


Im thinking pissed on.

 

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2013 12:04 PM (nELVU)

 

Can it not be both?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 08:11 AM (4df7R)

305 Well then, guess the "tea party types" have jumped the shark and swallowed the Boy Wonder Koolaid-Aid. The math will catch up. Fuck em all.

Or, you know, we could wait and see what they actually come up with instead of (yet again) throwing little tantrums based on rumors from the WaPo.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 09, 2013 08:11 AM (SY2Kh)

306 Or, you know, we could wait and see what they actually come up with instead of (yet again) throwing little tantrums based on rumors from the WaPo.


Posted by: Hollowpoint

If the House passes an amnesty bill, you're going to see plenty, Hollowpoint.

Posted by: mrp at December 09, 2013 08:13 AM (HjPtV)

307 Anyone who thinks the GOP would have passed a clean CR last    September that actually cut spending is      several bricks short of a load.

Not to mention the fact    that a CR in an of itself is not the authorized method of budgeting, but only a way     to sneak in    even more pork.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 09, 2013 08:13 AM (/i3Yt)

308

[iI] kinda want to print this out and rub this all over me: http://bit.ly/1bRS381

 

Uh-oh.  We've just lost the 'Rons.  *watches 'Rons' eyes glaze over*

 



Also wtf it's snowing in Australia? Isn't it mid-summer there?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 12:11 PM (VtjlW)

 

aussie was just on the headlines (or dump?) thread   talking about listening to Christmas carols   during the heat of   the summer!   Whereabouts in Oz is it snowing?  Because clearly I am too lazy to just google it for myself.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 08:14 AM (4df7R)

309

Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2013 12:04 PM (g1DWB)

 

Heh,  I assume you are being sarcastic.  

 

But really ,   a  lot of people make assumptions here about  what will happen.  GregQ  is making  assumptions  of what would have happened  to bolster his position. 

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 09, 2013 08:14 AM (m2CN7)

310 If the people whom the base votes into office to represent their values and interests consistently lie to and betray the base, or end up co-opted or compromised once they're in office, there's no point in voting for their kind again and again and again. Over time the base realizes that every Moses who arises to lead them out of Egypt instead leads them back to Egypt and bows to Pharaoh while whispering, "Don't worry, NEXT time..."

Reportedly, even more presumed conservatives (Mormons and Catholics) voted for Obama his SECOND time around than did his first. I heard that in the days after the last election and have not heard it refuted as false.

So if you can no longer have a chance of winning the game, why play? One way or the other, you're beaten.

Downer? Yes. The biggest one there is. If my facts or reasoning is in error, feel free - please - to point it out.

Posted by: Spock at December 09, 2013 08:15 AM (J4Gi+)

311 I'm the reason why spending will never be cut. The free shit genie is out of the bottle, baby!

Posted by: Low Information Voter at December 09, 2013 08:16 AM (Dwehj)

312 If the House passes an amnesty bill, you're going to see plenty, Hollowpoint.

Posted by: mrp at December 09, 2013 12:13 PM (HjPtV)


----


Yup.


Actually, as one of the "emotional children" spoiling for a fight the last go round.....   I'm kinda inclined to give a pass on the New and Improved Sequester Plan.....  I dont particularly "like" it.....   but right now there is a white hot spotlight on the catastrophe formerly known as Obamacare.   I do not want to see that light shining on anything else.  Sequester, continuing resolution.... or amnesty.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2013 08:17 AM (nELVU)

313 aussie was just on the headlines (or dump?) thread talking about listening to Christmas carols during the heat of the summer! Whereabouts in Oz is it snowing? Because clearly I am too lazy to just google it for myself. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 12:14 PM (4df7R) Somewhere in the mountains. Apparently it's the rough equivalent of the Rockies getting snow in July. Weird but it does happen. It's just that this is a pretty major storm.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 08:17 AM (VtjlW)

314 Other than a comment by one of the shills blaming Drew and other critics of the Beltway Boys for another sellout, I haven't seen a lot of argument from the other GOP salesmen here

Out shopping, boys?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2013 08:18 AM (aTXUx)

315 Wow, I'm on a tear! I've actually posted TWO posts in TWO business days. What craziness is this?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) working from home at December 09, 2013 08:19 AM (PYAXX)

316
OT: Drudge headline of "Putin dissolves State Media".

I wish we could dissolve NBC (et al), CBS, ABC and CNN too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2013 08:19 AM (MaP11)

317 >>But really , a lot of people make assumptions here about what will happen. GregQ is making assumptions of what would have happened to bolster his position. Me, sarcastic? Perish the thought. A lot of assumptions get made here. For example, its a forgone conclusion by many that amnesty is a done deal, has been for sometime. Yet nothing has happened and Boehner has come out numerous times saying he isn't going to allow a comprehensive bill that would allow for a conference committee with the Senate over their bill. Something will get done on illegal immigration at some point, it has to. We can't go on this way forever and everyone knows it. We can't live with no border enforcement and being overrun with illegals. But that doesn't mean amnesty. I'm just not assuming the worst until I see some actual evidence.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2013 08:20 AM (g1DWB)

318 AllenG:  Would this be at that mythical blog you    are someday planning to start?  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 08:20 AM (4df7R)

319 I'm not seeing anything current with Garth Brooks and the SCOAMF.  Stuff from a couple of years ago, but nothing recent.  What are talking about, because if true, I'm sad, very sad.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2013 08:21 AM (9U1OG)

320 AllenG: Would this be at that mythical blog you are someday planning to start? Yes, that is at the blog I don't have.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) working from home at December 09, 2013 08:21 AM (PYAXX)

321 Two possible reasons:1) Vested interest in the system operating the way it does now.2) Psychological need for the current system to be legit, and for the GOP to be good-faith operators, because the alternative is horrifying. Yeah, I guess that's it. I've given up any attachment to our political process at this point and simply consider government at all levels to be the enemy. I'm still polite to cops, but I start off with the assumption that they're corrupt violent thugs. I didn't always feel that way. I have no trust in the system or the people who run it. And I recommend everyone else get over their delusions and face the cold hard reality. The state is the enemy of God and man.

Posted by: rfichoke at December 09, 2013 08:22 AM (wxgsq)

322 Until Republicans stop kicking conservatives in the shins, I'm all for conservatives kicking Republicans in the balls.


Um, take it from me, that won't work on eunuchs.

Posted by: Lord Varys at December 09, 2013 08:22 AM (+H/11)

323 OT:  The   precipitation is "pinging" outside.  I hate when it pings.  That means it's little ice pellets, which means driving home tonight will   suck.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 08:22 AM (4df7R)

324 I'm just not assuming the worst until I see some actual evidence. Because past performance is not indicative of future results? I know that applies to the Stock Market, I'm not sure it applies so well to human behavior.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) working from home at December 09, 2013 08:22 AM (PYAXX)

325 I guess I should re-post this from the ONT.  Lots of explosions and scared people.  Town getting destroyed and such. 

Robot Carnival.
http://youtu.be/CNIUwBp7Zt0

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 08:22 AM (5oAy6)

326 For example, its a forgone conclusion by many that amnesty is a done deal, has been for sometime. Yet nothing has happened and Boehner has come out numerous times saying he isn't going to allow a comprehensive bill that would allow for a conference committee with the Senate over their bill.


He didn't do anything when SCOAMF bypassed Congress and amnestied a couple million young criminals by fiat, either.

Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at December 09, 2013 08:22 AM (ZKzrr)

327 After we get poked up the squeakhole by another sellout on the budget, I can't wait for the GOP shills to tell us it's full of WIN

Then we'll hear how Amnesty has to be passed if the GOP is to continue as a functioning party

But remember Morons, the failures were because us serfs didn't believe enough, didn't send in enough cash, fought "experienced and electable" Republicans, and don't know how much they do for us


Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2013 08:22 AM (aTXUx)

328 Off, incompetent scrunt sock.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 09, 2013 08:23 AM (ZKzrr)

329 Bunch of pikers, my company hasn't given raises since 1998.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2013 08:23 AM (9U1OG)

330 >>>>Somewhere in the mountains. Apparently it's the rough equivalent of the Rockies getting snow in July. Weird but it does happen. It's just that this is a pretty major storm. More like June. It's still spring in Australia just like its still fall here.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2013 08:23 AM (LI48c)

331 Pissed off, pissed on...at this point there doesn't seem to be much difference.

Posted by: DangerGirl at December 09, 2013 08:24 AM (GufPw)

332

Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2013 12:20 PM (g1DWB)

 

again,  those  are  assumptions  on what will happen.   I can  live with those as it is  an  assumption that will either be proven correct or incorrect.    What I don't like ,  are assumptions after the fact used  to  'prove' someone's position because  those assumptions   can  never be proven correct or incorrect.  

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 09, 2013 08:25 AM (m2CN7)

333 I hate when it pings.

One ping only, Vashily.

Posted by: Captain Ramius at December 09, 2013 08:26 AM (8b2sh)

334 326 For example, its a forgone conclusion by many that amnesty is a done deal, has been for sometime. Yet nothing has happened and Boehner has come out numerous times saying he isn't going to allow a comprehensive bill that would allow for a conference committee with the Senate over their bill. He didn't do anything when SCOAMF bypassed Congress and amnestied a couple million young criminals by fiat, either. Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at December 09, 2013 12:22 PM (ZKzrr) Boehners been looking to push amnesty since the election.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2013 08:26 AM (LI48c)

335

 Apparently it's the rough equivalent of the Rockies getting snow in July. Weird but it does happen.

 

 

Over 10,000 feet you can expect anything.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2013 08:26 AM (5WkPq)

336
**sniff sniff

Smells Like Old Thread Spirit

Posted by: Zombie Kurt Cobain at December 09, 2013 08:27 AM (nELVU)

337 OT: The precipitation is "pinging" outside. I hate when it pings. That means it's little ice pellets, which means driving home tonight will suck. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 12:22 PM (4df7R) *wraps in bubble wrap* It's doing that here too. We told the one person who lives farthest away she better be leaving at 4:30 because she doesn't like to drive at night. If it were 4 degrees colder, it would be truly nasty out. Okay, distributed Horde knowledge, I should know this but I can't remember. Why is Roy Halladay signing a one day deal with the Blue Jays before retiring?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 08:27 AM (VtjlW)

338 Yes, that is at the blog I don't have.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) working from home at December 09, 2013 12:21 PM (PYAXX)

 

Excellent posts, both of them!   I'd comment but my damned outdated browser here at work is in a death feud with comment boxes.   It's a blessing in disguise that Pixyware is so damn utilitarian, or y'all would lose my witty commentary and longshoreman vocabulary.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 08:27 AM (4df7R)

339 >>> I think Bush would have won the popular vote and Al Gore would not have had the wind in his sails to litigate like he did in Florida. You mean the sex-crazed poodle who will never be President? That Al Gore?

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2013 08:28 AM (Ua6T/)

340

pissed off ???
Im thinking pissed on.


Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2013 12:04 PM (nELVU)

 

Can it not be both?

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 09, 2013 12:11 PM (4df7R)

 

Like the late Earl Warren?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 08:28 AM (zF6Iw)

341 Something will get done on illegal immigration at some point, it has to. We can't go on this way forever and everyone knows it. We can't live with no border enforcement and being overrun with illegals. But that doesn't mean amnesty.

I'm just not assuming the worst until I see some actual evidence. Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2013 12:20 PM

Unlike the disclaimers from stock brokerage commercials, past performance is indicative of future results

We'll continue to live with no border enforcement because that's a feature, not a bug

Everything proposed by the GOP is "we'll get to border enforcement, swearsies. We want to but the NY Times and WSJ keep saying NO"

Even the laws they pass are as toothless as a Helen Thomas blowjob



Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2013 08:28 AM (aTXUx)

342 Lunch!

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 09, 2013 08:28 AM (m2CN7)

343 "But remember Morons, the failures were because us serfs didn't believe enough, didn't send in enough cash, fought "experienced and electable" Republicans, and don't know how much they do for us"

What you just accurately described is an almost exact parallel to word-faith voodoo long preached by Oral Roberts types on the TBN "Christian" [not!] network.

Posted by: Spock at December 09, 2013 08:28 AM (J4Gi+)

344 314 Other than a comment by one of the shills blaming Drew and other critics of the Beltway Boys for another sellout, I haven't seen a lot of argument from the other GOP salesmen here Out shopping, boys? Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2013 12:18 PM (aTXUx) Ha ha kbdabear, of course they are out shopping or shining their knobs. We might be morons but we aren't livs

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 09, 2013 08:28 AM (HVff2)

345 MWR, icy rain.  And SUV Kommados who think they drive like Mario Andretti on Ritalin?  Take the back roads.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 08:29 AM (5oAy6)

346 so he'll retire as a Blue Jay. he was drafted by them

Posted by: redclay at December 09, 2013 08:29 AM (NVFSz)

347
NEVER AGAIN. If we nominate some squish, fuck it, I do not want it on my conscience that I voted for the least worst candidate that was just fucking over the country in a slower decline than the leftist demorats.
***
I warned people that if  the Republicans nominated and most conservatives voted for Romney, he of Romneycare, that the Republican establishment would take that to mean that there is no vow they can't break to the Republican electorate that will cost them.

Until we replace the establishment, or at least have them in terror that they will lose their jobs, for stabbing us in the back they will continue to do so.

Every incentive in DC points them to talking as conservatives and governing as liberals, and as such this is exactly what we see...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2013 08:30 AM (P3U0f)

348 Why is Roy Halladay signing a one day deal with the Blue Jays before retiring? http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml That says he was drafted by the Jays. Presumably he played for them for a long time and wants to "retire as a Blue Jay." It's what the Dallas Stars did for Mike Modano (sp?) a couple years ago.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) working from home at December 09, 2013 08:30 AM (PYAXX)

349 If you like your sequester, you can keep your sequester.  *wink*

Posted by: Hussein No'Marbles at December 09, 2013 08:30 AM (wAQA5)

350 Okay, distributed Horde knowledge, I should know this but I can't remember. Why is Roy Halladay signing a one day deal with the Blue Jays before retiring?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 12:27 PM (VtjlW)

 

Generally they do that so that they can officially retire as a member of the team with which they first signed.

 

And thank you for the bubble wrap!  I'm going to need it, I can tell.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 08:30 AM (4df7R)

351 Something will get done on illegal immigration at some point, it has to. I'm hoping for deportation with bonus beating. The time is not yet right though.

Posted by: toby928© at December 09, 2013 08:30 AM (QupBk)

352 The state is the enemy of God and man.

Posted by: rfichoke at December 09, 2013 12:22 PM (wxgsq)


---------------



Yes it is. 

Posted by: grammie (cuz mama is way way old) winger at December 09, 2013 08:31 AM (P6QsQ)

353 We need to put this Obese, fat, 'gummit" bitch on a diet.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 09, 2013 08:31 AM (oQ2ZI)

354 >>He didn't do anything when SCOAMF bypassed Congress and amnestied a couple million young criminals by fiat, either. Nope. What would you have him do? Impeach Obama and send it to the Senate where Reid and the msm would use it like a weapon 7 x 24 to hammer racist Republicans while burying the actual Impeachment issue? When Clinton was impeached for lying not sex did that work out good or bad for us? We would have lost that battle in spectacular fashion just as we lose most. This is why some of us RINOs were always in favor of letting Obamacare take its course and hurt the very idiots who wanted it so badly. The IRS hasn't hurt Obama. Neither did F&F. Not Black Panthers suppressing voters. Nothing has but this and its because people largely are 1) stupid and 2) don't give a crap unless it affects them personally and immediately. Most people don't give a crap about illegals cause they don't understand how they hurt them personally. A few anecdotes and telling them they will hurt their job prospects don't phase them when they have The First Black President and the msm telling them daily that anyone who objects is a racist sub-moron.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2013 08:31 AM (g1DWB)

355 And SUV Kommados who think they drive like Mario Andretti on Ritalin? Take the back roads.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 12:29 PM (5oAy6)


-----


Saw lots and lots of them in the ditch between KC and Warrensburg last nite.


At least two rollovers.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2013 08:31 AM (nELVU)

356 We need to put this Obese, fat, 'gummit" bitch on a diet. Starting with a Gastric Bypass.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) working from home at December 09, 2013 08:32 AM (PYAXX)

357 Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2013 12:28 PM (aTXUx) You should win something for that last line.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2013 08:32 AM (Ua6T/)

358 What are we going to do about transgender apartheid in America?

Posted by: Low Information Voter at December 09, 2013 08:32 AM (Dwehj)

359 Okay, distributed Horde knowledge, I should know this but I can't remember. Why is Roy Halladay signing a one day deal with the Blue Jays before retiring? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 09, 2013 12:27 PM (VtjlW) I do believe that's who he started with. Lots of athletes will do that. Fred Taylor did it here in Jax.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2013 08:33 AM (LmMET)

360 Nude italicized thread

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 09, 2013 08:33 AM (/Crba)

361 "But remember Morons, the failures were because us serfs didn't believe
enough, didn't send in enough cash, fought "experienced and electable"
Republicans, and don't know how much they do for us"
***
Yes, of course establishment Republicans were given control of all of the elected branches of the government in 2004 and they gave us...a new entitlement program.

The core problem America faces right now is that we have two liberal parties. One of them has some conservatives in it...but the system is designed to keep them trapped in a position where they cannot change anything, and many will eventually be corrupted by the graft that dominates DC.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2013 08:33 AM (P3U0f)

362 [9]37 Raise your hand if you think "federal worker pensions" are really on the table You mean those federal workers that haven't had a pay raise in 3 years while simultaneously having their benefits cut like the rest of America? Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2013 10:41 AM (6T8Ay) Not having had your income cut (let alone slashed, let alone taxed, let alone eliminated) in the last five years is a pay raise. Anyway, why the sudden need for a raise on mere tenure? Everyone knows inflation is nil....

Posted by: BuddyPC at December 09, 2013 08:34 AM (jfUIE)

363 MWR, icy rain. And SUV Kommados who think they drive like Mario Andretti on Ritalin? Take the back roads.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 12:29 PM (5oAy6)

 

I jsut might.   Though the back roads are hilly and twisty, and at least this morning there was nary a salt or sand truck to be seen.  I may try to sneak out a little early  tonight, just so I can have alittle bit of daylight. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 09, 2013 08:35 AM (4df7R)

364 I think I'm about to beat someone to death with a big black rubber cock... Posted by: Hatchet Harry Lonsdale at December 09, 2013 10:34 AM (/Crba) For some reason, this absolutely hilarious to me. I can't stop laughing. Or picturing it happening...

Posted by: blindside at December 09, 2013 08:35 AM (WzWmY)

365 Other than a comment by one of the shills blaming Drew and other critics of the Beltway Boys for another sellout, I haven't seen a lot of argument from the other GOP salesmen here Out shopping, boys? Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2013 12:18 Busy writing up their list of great policy ideas. "Elect us, if stupid got us here, stupid can get us out!"

Posted by: Meremortal, back from the brink at December 09, 2013 08:36 AM (1Y+hH)

366 looks like we will have to do some unraveling of someones mortal coil.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at December 09, 2013 08:36 AM (j6DTo)

367
All I can recommend to people is do everything possible to reduce what you pay to the federal govt (I know most people try to do this nominally, but go for every cent).  Because in the end, if you are a producer instead of a taker, when the time comes that you need some govt love will be the time when there is no govt love to be had.  (this includes Soc Sec, food stamps, health care and the whole nine yards.)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2013 08:37 AM (MaP11)

368

A few anecdotes and telling them they will hurt their job prospects don't phase them when they have The First Black President and the msm telling them daily that anyone who objects is a racist sub-moron.

 

It doesn't help that the RINOs and squishes in the party would sell their souls for a blowjob from the MFM and don't have the stones to call them out for the motherfucking treasonous liars who aren't swining from lampposts only by the grace of God that they are.  Call me they day Bonehead or Bitch McConnell treat a reporter the way they treat the base.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2013 08:37 AM (zF6Iw)

369 Nope. What would you have him do?
***
This should be part of a *much* larger initiative, but it works here too. Break the budget apart.

Long before they need to be pass the bills for the spending you want, don't say jack shit about the rest - adjourn the session. Make sure the bills are completely unobjectionable.

Complain on TV Obama won't fund the VA or the Treasury Dept or whatever.

If Obama/Reid don't pass the spending bills ask them why not. Never change the topic to anything else....If he doesn't pass the budgets call him out for closing down the government. If he does pass them then we go to the next step.

When the time comes to say...fund the White House, demand he enforce the law. If he doesn't go home.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2013 08:38 AM (P3U0f)

370 Roy Halladay is the epitome of a class act.

I hope when the pain of retirement wears off a bit, he joins Pat Hentgen as a coach, and we can kick Pete Walker to the fucking curb.


Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2013 08:39 AM (/29Nl)

371 What you just accurately described is an almost exact parallel to word-faith voodoo long preached by Oral Roberts types on the TBN "Christian" [not!] network.
Posted by: Spock at December 09, 2013 12:28 PM

I got a huge laugh from Oral when he said if the faithful didn't send him 8 million in 6 weeks that God was going to whack him

That convinced me that my boyhood friends in Jersey were right, God is an Italian ...


Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2013 08:40 AM (aTXUx)

372 #354

That's a long-standing American feature. Americans loved foreign armament contracts in 1939 and 40, but strongly opposed military involvement overseas until Pearl Harbor. The typical American's attitude towards government is leave me alone and yes, I'll take seconds of those government goodies. This administration kept pushing hard on the first part, and suddenly the second part perks are becoming irrelevant.

Posted by: mrp at December 09, 2013 08:44 AM (HjPtV)

373 the GOP needs to die so that Conservatism can be saved.

Posted by: Shoey at December 09, 2013 08:44 AM (jdOk/)

374 the GOP needs to die so that Conservatism can be saved. Posted by: Shoey

The GOP needs reform so that the United States can be saved.  Better?

Posted by: mrp at December 09, 2013 08:48 AM (HjPtV)

375 The pub strategy is going to be all Obamacare, do nothing to distract the media when the other guy is making a mistake. The attitude is we can fix more shit with 51 Senators soon.

Posted by: Jean at December 09, 2013 08:48 AM (4JkHl)

376 374 the GOP needs to die so that Conservatism can be saved. Posted by: Shoey The GOP needs reform so that the United States can be saved. Better? --- The Donkeys need to be completely knocked from power, and replaced by a competent and conservative GOP, for the United States to be saved.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 09, 2013 08:48 AM (/Crba)

377 375 The pub strategy is going to be all Obamacare, do nothing to distract the media when the other guy is making a mistake. The attitude is we can fix more shit with 51 Senators soon. Posted by: Jean at December 09, 2013 12:48 PM

At least 6 of those 51 will vote with the Dems 3/4 of the time, or form "Gangs"

Remember, even with a majority they'll tell us they can't give us what we want because "then we'd lose our majority"

Sorry shills, Lucy can swear she'll hold the ball, but this time I'm kicking that bitch in the head

Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2013 08:52 AM (aTXUx)

378 Surprisingly I am okay with this one. The numbers they are talking about are all let it burn numbers. Let it burn. Amnesty is a different story.

Posted by: traye at December 09, 2013 08:52 AM (QEE/F)

379 The problem with playing for the next election is that there's always another election in 2 years. So you never stand on principle or do what you believe is right you just play politics constantly.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 09, 2013 08:54 AM (zfY+H)

380 That said, I agree with traye. The GOP should agree to everything the Democrats want. Let it burn. The quicker we rip this bandage off, the better.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 09, 2013 08:54 AM (zfY+H)

381 I don't know that we have a choice about LIB because I think it's going to happen regardless. But I don't think a crash will lead to some restoration or golden age. Danger and crises are perfect opportunities for those in authority to justify even more power for themselves to "fix the problem." And you don't get to that point in the first place without a credulous populace. They "let it burn" in Russia in 1917 and things only got worse.

Posted by: rfichoke at December 09, 2013 09:07 AM (wxgsq)

382 I will vote Democrat in 2014 for 2 reasons:  1) To Let It (the GOP) Burn; and 2) Help ensure the voters feel the pain they asked for in 2012.  There's no reason to drag this out.  Make them feel the full effect of their choices now.

Posted by: Born Free at December 09, 2013 09:09 AM (xL8Hf)

383  I will vote Democrat in 2014for 2 reasons: 1) To Let It (the GOP) Burn; and 2)Help ensurethe voters feel the pain they asked for in 2012.There's no reason to drag this out. Make them feel the full effect of their choices now.

Posted by: Born Free at December 09, 2013 01:09 PM (xL8Hf)

 

Do you split atoms with your mind also?

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 09, 2013 09:23 AM (m2CN7)

384 "Until Republicans stop kicking conservatives in the shins, I'm all for conservatives kicking Republicans in the balls."

@DrewM, just letting you know I'm gonna use that one. In fact, I think language to that effect will play nicely in my next letter to one of my U.S. Senators.

Posted by: halodoc at December 09, 2013 10:24 AM (Fzbp3)

385 _____________________________________

I just want to point out that it always has been and always will be utter folly to believe that we will ever limit the size and scope of the federal government by electing politicians to wield power in the federal government.

You see: NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED INTO POWER, THEY WILL ALWAYS BE INTEGRAL PARTS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Politicians running for elected office at the federal level are - get this - seeking _power_ at the federal level.

It is inherently contradictory to the point of foolishness to believe that the very kinds of people who seek power at the federal level will (upon obtaining that power) turn around and diminish the very power they sought to obtain.
IT WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN.

It is a prepubescent wet dream that conservatives must get over in order to realize a paradigm shift in the game they are (supposed to be) playing.
The federal-election-cycles-game to truly limit the power of the federal government can never be won. 

Yes, we can win an election cycle here and again. - But none of these wins nor any series of wins will EVER cause federal politicians to stop growing the government. It has never happened.

Even under my second favorite president of all time, Ronald Reagan, the federal government expanded.
Even under the Republican revolution of the 90's led by Gingrich and others: despite balancing the federal budget the federal government still expanded.
(And, incidentally, the fiscal trajectory of Social Security still continued to slide in the wrong direction while Medicaid and Medicare continued to run deficits. - Those budgets were "fixed" through temporary _discretionary_ spending cuts. Not through real structural changes.)
The likes of the great Ted Cruz will always be the RAREST of exceptions in elected politicians. (Duh!)

And we would need a minimum of forty Ted Cruzs in the US Senate alone in order to have a shot at doing what has never been done: actually _reversing_ the size and scope of the federal government. 

Posted by: _Dave_ at December 09, 2013 11:40 AM (J+Q+d)

386 " Oh, that's right, it's because you emotional children were desperate for a "fight", and so you demanded that House Republicans NOT do that. Thanks for fucking everything up, dudes." You and your Republican liars are the ones who screwed it up. Nothing forced a cave after three weeks. Nothing. It was pure choice that nobody forced you into. The "children" are the ones blaming everybody else for their choices. And now you're going to blame us for ruining the brand? The brand is slime, Greg. It stands for blank-check authority to make whatever bad deal the polls suggest is immediately useful. If that means you fund abortion, raise taxes, hike spending and finance the dread Obamacare rollout, well, you'll do it, and lie about having no choice. There is no more "we", Greg. You're an opponent. I don't want your crew sucking up our anti-Democrat oxygen, and this is a fine year to render you just another non-incumbent third party. " We can't live with no border enforcement and being overrun with illegals. But that doesn't mean amnesty." Any refusal to deport aliens eligible for deportation under existing law, is an amnesty.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 09, 2013 02:23 PM (5xmd7)

387 George Carlin, still right: "It's a Big Club, we ain't in it"

Posted by: ginaswo at December 09, 2013 05:01 PM (Was8V)

388 Kicking Republicans in the balls? What the hell is the new meaning of conservative? I am no interested in a suicide pact or being led by a bunch who have no idea how to cobble together a majority of support. I fail to see why the new conservative is any less tyrannical in nature than Obama himself.

Posted by: Coleridge at December 09, 2013 08:26 PM (BglJL)

389 Pathetic sellout of a deal.

Posted by: Zombie Commie Walter Cronkite at December 11, 2013 08:13 AM (oNqbW)

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