December 11, 2013
— Ace What the hell, Paul Ryan.
Senate Republicans scrubbing the Ryan-Murray budget deal have come across a little-noticed provision that will limit the GOP’s ability to block tax increases in future years.The bill includes language from the Senate Democrats’ budget to void a budget “point of order” against replacing the sequester cuts with tax increases.
The process is quite complicated, but in practice it grants Harry Reid the authority to send tax increases to the House with a bare majority, rather than the 60 vote threshold that would be required under the point of order.
The provision has angered key Republican Senators. Reeling from Harry Reid’s unprecedented use of the “nuclear option” to end the filibuster on presidential nominations, they are incredulous that Paul Ryan would have backed another limit to their power.
“This is an appalling power grab that should never have been allowed to be in a final agreement. It’s essentially the ‘nuclear option’ part two, eroding minority rights in the Senate even further. Harry Reid must be very happy,” a Senate GOP aide says.
A House aide defending this piece of shit says, basically, Eh, it's no big deal, because the House can stop tax increases. Probably.
I don't know what to say.
Thanks to @rdbrewer4.
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Posted by: Prudence Smythe at December 11, 2013 04:48 PM (Xkr3W)
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 11, 2013 04:49 PM (XB5Ak)
Posted by: Andy Warhol at December 11, 2013 04:50 PM (IiIqD)
Posted by: Lauren at December 11, 2013 04:50 PM (hFL/3)
Nah can't go to cocktail partys when D.C. is burning down.
Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 04:50 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: Todd Wiley at December 11, 2013 04:50 PM (lrkg9)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 04:51 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 11, 2013 04:51 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: R of 13 at December 11, 2013 04:52 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 04:53 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Red at December 11, 2013 04:53 PM (7us0J)
Posted by: R of 13 at December 11, 2013 04:53 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 04:54 PM (KuZ6A)
>>"What the hell, Paul Ryan."
It's like we're in some kind of nightmare. The GOP is now either actively conspiring against us or abetting the Left through stupidity that defies belief. And it keeps getting worse. The worse Obama gets, the more the GOP abases itself. I think the party is psychologically unraveling. They just can't cope with Obama and the massiveness of his assault. They're like a 50's housewife baking cakes and singing to herself while her serial-killer husband drags bodies into the basement.
Posted by: rrpjr at December 11, 2013 04:54 PM (s/yC1)
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 04:55 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: Feh at December 11, 2013 04:55 PM (g/zj9)
Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 11, 2013 04:55 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: R of 13 at December 11, 2013 04:56 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 04:56 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: NWConservative at December 11, 2013 04:56 PM (m5DIr)
Posted by: @ParisParamus at December 11, 2013 04:56 PM (p3LUF)
Posted by: stop the democrats! at December 11, 2013 04:57 PM (Nsoq9)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2013 04:57 PM (yz6yg)
WTF? I give up. I fucking give up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 08:55 PM (lVPtV)
No, no, here's the wine!!!
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 04:57 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 04:58 PM (Nsoq9)
Posted by: Darth Randall at December 11, 2013 04:58 PM (Zswg6)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 11, 2013 04:58 PM (jucos)
Or, did you want Scotch at this point now?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2013 08:57 PM (yz6yg)
*waits for gift of Scotch through USB port*
And make it quick. Please.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 04:59 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Eddie Baby at December 11, 2013 04:59 PM (C/3jU)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 04:59 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 04:59 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: The Chicken at December 11, 2013 04:59 PM (X3GkB)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 08:58 PM (Nsoq9)
You mean "down there," don't you? Gaaaaahhhhh!!!!
Posted by: Teh Chicken at December 11, 2013 05:00 PM (8lmkt)
I'm convinced more and more the GOP simply wants to be a permanent minority loyal 'opposition', ever enjoying the perks of the ruling class and never serious about dismantling the state which brings them their spoils. It will ever be, 'just wait till next time, then we'll get 'em!'
They will push amnesty hard next year, even as Obamacare is destroying the donks, for no real reason other than to thwart their own victory. That way they can blame racist conservatives for losing the easiest mid-term in history, and save Obamacare and all the perks it brings to the DC ruling class.
Posted by: mugiwara at December 11, 2013 05:00 PM (hpYnL)
Those were the days.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 05:00 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Shoey at December 11, 2013 05:00 PM (vA94g)
Aren't we all glad that Romney/Ryan was defeated?
Sure it would've felt good. For a few days or months.
But then they would've started rolling out this crap on us and our disappointment, chagrin and downright red eyed anger might've have ruined 2014 (which might happen anyway) and would've put the cankles in in 2016. (which I think was her hoped for plan all along)
So we may have gotten hit by a snowmobile or two but at least it wasn't like that wreck up in Wisconsin on Sunday. (no not Paul Ryan. A different wreck).
And we have the comfort of knowing we dodged a bullet of RINO that was heading in our direction.
Now let's get down to business of getting John Boehner so far out of politics that he has to use a compass to find his voting station.
And it's time to retire the Turdle McConnell.
Their politics and so called leadership have been responsible for the GOP lousy showing the last 4 years and deserve no more chances.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 05:01 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at December 11, 2013 05:01 PM (080XV)
Some of us pay a higher price for this than others.
You'd be surprised. At this point, sometimes they're even fucking me
Posted by: The Can at December 11, 2013 05:01 PM (HgfyP)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2013 05:01 PM (yz6yg)
--That relevant line from Animal House never gets old where the GOP is concerned.Posted by: logprof at December 11, 2013 05:01 PM (X3GkB)
Posted by: Dana Barrett at December 11, 2013 05:01 PM (dCwZe)
Posted by: @ParisParamus at December 11, 2013 05:02 PM (p3LUF)
GMB owes us an update. It's in Section IV of the AoS StyleBook.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 05:02 PM (wNF3N)
Move over my feathered friend. Our cloacas are about to be violated.
Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 11, 2013 05:02 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 05:02 PM (KuZ6A)
McConnell's not a fan of this deal:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/11/ source-mcconnell-will-vote-against-budget-deal-brokered-by-paul-ryan/
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 05:02 PM (Nsoq9)
Yeah, looks like 80's fashion is coming back.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 11, 2013 05:02 PM (LUkGY)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 11, 2013 05:03 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: NWConservative at December 11, 2013 05:03 PM (m5DIr)
I'm going overseas in another couple of months. Definitely going to look at what it will take to live there. Just sell all my shit and leave. Should be enough until I die.
My beloved USA is gone.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 05:03 PM (Tx68O)
We are 17.3 Trillion dollars in debt.
We have unfunded liabilities of 100 Trillion.
If you do a simple amortization of our current debt using 30 years as a payoff date, we would have to run balanced budgets and devote 66 billion dollars a month or 800 billion dollars a year just to pay off our debt.
In other words an impossibility.
There is no question that it will burn the only question is when.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 11, 2013 05:03 PM (Xkr8I)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2013 05:03 PM (yz6yg)
Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 11, 2013 05:04 PM (5Q1ZU)
Posted by: NWConservative at December 11, 2013 09:03 PM (m5DIr)
Threadwinner. And, if not, please know that I heart you, NWC.
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 05:04 PM (8lmkt)
It boils down to, they have thiers, fuck the unpeople. They just don't care.
Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2013 05:04 PM (6bvBO)
Posted by: Joe at December 11, 2013 05:04 PM (B+xcR)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 05:05 PM (RGQmh)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 11, 2013 05:05 PM (dCwZe)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2013 05:05 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Darth Randall at December 11, 2013 05:05 PM (Zswg6)
I'm sure they are working on it as we speak.
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 09:02 PM (8lmkt)
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Next up -- Amnesty. I'm sure it'll all work out just fine.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 05:05 PM (Tx68O)
Lately, I've been seeing "Dr. Broun!" stickers around town.
Way to go, so-called conservatives. Hand the seat to Dem. Michelle Nunn. Idiots.
Posted by: Our GOP Betters at December 11, 2013 05:06 PM (lVPtV)
It's become the comedic ineffectual super hero side kick party.
Every time they are on scene, you know those trombones are about to play. *wah wah wah wahhhhhh*
And they get the pie in the face, the white wash down the baggy pants and the ladder in the stomach.
No wonder Boehner is so orange. IT'S MAKEUP.
They just don't wear the clown noses anymore. (FDA regs you know)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 05:06 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: grammie winger at December 11, 2013 05:06 PM (P6QsQ)
Waiter, I'd like to order two pieces of toast.
Sorry sir, we don't serve toast after 11 am.
Alright, do you have tunafish sandwiches?
Yes.
Fine. I'll have a tunafish sandwich on toasted bread. Now hold the mayo, lettuce, and tunafish.
Coming right up sir...Here you go.
crunch...waiter, this toast tastes like shit.
This is a Republican restaurant, sir. All our sandwiches come with shit.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2013 05:06 PM (wNF3N)
In before the usual suspects claim this was a brilliant hyper-dimensional checkmate, designed to benefit the Republicans when they take back the Senate in '14.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 11, 2013 05:06 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Dana Barrett at December 11, 2013 05:07 PM (dCwZe)
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 05:07 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 11, 2013 05:07 PM (/Swgv)
Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2013 05:07 PM (6bvBO)
Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2013 09:04 PM (6bvBO)
________________
^^ THIS ^^
Is there any other explanation? I think not.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 11, 2013 05:07 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2013 09:00 PM (6bvBO)
Nobody is happy but nobody is in danger of being strangled to death.
Two kids get their year of decision, thats a mennonite thing, a bit early but that is life.
Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 05:08 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 09:07 PM (8lmkt)
Lol. I remember "stress clinics" in ATL back in the day.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 05:08 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: someone at December 11, 2013 05:08 PM (v96n5)
Posted by: NWConservative at December 11, 2013 05:08 PM (m5DIr)
Posted by: R of 13 at December 11, 2013 05:09 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: NWConservative at December 11, 2013 09:08 PM (m5DIr)
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Heh. My congressman is Paul Ryan. Uff da.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 11, 2013 05:09 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 11, 2013 05:09 PM (/Swgv)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 05:10 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 05:10 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 05:10 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 11, 2013 05:10 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2013 05:10 PM (yz6yg)
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 05:10 PM (Tx68O)
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 11, 2013 05:12 PM (KCvsd)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 11, 2013 05:12 PM (SwHqo)
Posted by: R of 13 at December 11, 2013 05:12 PM (lZBBB)
I'm asking for a friend.....
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 11, 2013 09:10 PM (jucos)
Is this going to turn into a gun thread?
Posted by: ALH at December 11, 2013 05:13 PM (btTLZ)
Are any of the Republican Senators denying unanimous consent on every motion? If not, they're not that upset.
Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 11, 2013 05:14 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: R of 13 at December 11, 2013 05:14 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 05:14 PM (YLiN/)
Posted by: Shoey at December 11, 2013 05:14 PM (vA94g)
Posted by: NWConservative at December 11, 2013 05:14 PM (m5DIr)
He has become one with the System...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 11, 2013 08:51 PM (lZBBB)
His is One, with the Body....
Landru (not Mary), save us!
Posted by: Jon in TX at December 11, 2013 05:15 PM (K8ws3)
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 05:15 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 05:15 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 11, 2013 05:15 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: L, elle at December 11, 2013 05:15 PM (0xqKe)
Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 11, 2013 05:15 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: ontherocks at December 11, 2013 05:15 PM (Dpxe8)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 05:16 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Feh at December 11, 2013 05:16 PM (g/zj9)
Posted by: eman at December 11, 2013 05:16 PM (8rL9P)
Posted by: R of 13 at December 11, 2013 05:16 PM (lZBBB)
I live in Califuckya. And I have no heat, not at home, not in the office. It's in the low 40s at night and, if you are in the Midwest or the Eastern seaboard, I apologize for my kvetching. Still, the only time I have been warm in the last 10 days was in my car.
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 05:16 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 11, 2013 05:16 PM (5Q1ZU)
Posted by: logprof at December 11, 2013 05:17 PM (X3GkB)
Posted by: Jon in TX at December 11, 2013 05:17 PM (K8ws3)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2013 05:17 PM (yz6yg)
Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 11, 2013 09:15 PM (evdj2)
I would have to agree, How long do you think it will take to bust and how many will suffer from that bust?
Money cannot be borrowed and printed forever.
Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 05:18 PM (nkPV9)
I'll suggest that at the next American Conservative Party meeting. We might consider changing our name.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 11, 2013 05:18 PM (LUkGY)
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 05:18 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: grammie winger at December 11, 2013 05:18 PM (P6QsQ)
And once the public realizes they can vote themselves other people's money, the nation will collapse.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 05:18 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 05:18 PM (YLiN/)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 05:19 PM (KuZ6A)
I would seriously consider sacrificing my life if it would ensure that term limits would be imposed on congress. Of course, there is no way that will ever happen, short of burning it all down, salting the earth and declaring the District a biohazard for the rest of eternity.
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 05:19 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 11, 2013 05:19 PM (2tjte)
Posted by: NWConservative at December 11, 2013 05:19 PM (m5DIr)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at December 11, 2013 05:19 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 11, 2013 05:20 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2013 05:20 PM (yz6yg)
Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 05:20 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Jon in TX at December 11, 2013 05:20 PM (K8ws3)
I'm asking for a friend.....
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 11, 2013 09:10 PM (jucos)
My husband's idiot libtard family sends out a "Family Survey" for Christmas every fucking year, asking what "fabulous" things you did during the year, as well as your "wish list" for gifts.
D'oh Boy said he wanted some ammo for his AR-15. Sounds of liberal heads popping in ATL and NY could be heard all the way to Savannah.
Hehehehehehehe
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 05:20 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Jon in TX at December 11, 2013 05:20 PM (K8ws3)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 05:21 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Shoey at December 11, 2013 05:21 PM (vA94g)
Hehehehehehehe
Oh, that is so sweet, Jane!!!
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 05:21 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Sharkman at December 11, 2013 05:21 PM (ck9M0)
Posted by: NWConservative at December 11, 2013 05:22 PM (m5DIr)
Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 05:22 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Jon in TX at December 11, 2013 05:22 PM (K8ws3)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2013 05:23 PM (yz6yg)
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Just Paul Ryan being Paul Ryan. Not sure why anyone is surprised.
Posted by: Telling it like it is at December 11, 2013 05:23 PM (MVoEv)
Posted by: sexypig at December 11, 2013 05:23 PM (dZQh7)
They don't go much by party registration anymore except for donations and ads (and you can throw them away when they show up or vent when they call)
What really needs to happen is aggressive lobbying with your local Representative and if rejected (or you know they don't agree) a search for a candidate to place in the running.
That's the only thing they understand. Those being dicks right now don't fear the primary or are retiring. McConnell's started lying about his "love" for the TEA party exactly BECAUSE he got primaried.
Make them cry at the polling place.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 05:23 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 09:21 PM (8lmkt)
Heh. It warmed this mother's heart. Then my lib m-i-l sends out her "survey" about how "mean" America is, and what are we going to do about all the "gun nuts" in this country.
Hee hee!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 05:23 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 05:23 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 05:24 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 11, 2013 05:24 PM (0FSuD)
@162. Nah, too elaborate. Just pack them in with some ferrous metal and use them as test blanks for mass driver firing. Gotta get the Zumwalt's new gun working somehow.
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 05:24 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2013 05:25 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 11, 2013 05:25 PM (5Q1ZU)
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Article I, Section 7, Clause 1n.b These 'super' conservatives seem bent on relegating the Republican party to defenders of the Alamo. But "Oh so gallant in defeat." Reminds us of those dandies in Gone With the Wind who were so anxious to 'fight for the honor of the South.' Made the gals swoon though.
Some guy once said if you try to turn a fast moving vehicle too quickly you will crash.
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 11, 2013 05:26 PM (zmZ2x)
Posted by: dogfish at December 11, 2013 05:26 PM (nsOJa)
Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 05:26 PM (i5xnd)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 05:26 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: thunderb at December 11, 2013 05:27 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Feh at December 11, 2013 05:27 PM (g/zj9)
Its pretty rare that I make a decision that I see gets rewarded over and over. I'm done with the Feds.
Except for the bitchin, that won't stop.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2013 05:28 PM (MaP11)
I promise the formation of a new party
A third party, the wild party
Posted by: Alice Cooper at December 11, 2013 05:29 PM (S+wJC)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2013 05:29 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at December 11, 2013 05:29 PM (ubtnQ)
Let them sort that sh!t out on their own.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 05:29 PM (LSDdO)
That's all we can hope for at this point.
What the worthless GOP will do with a win is anyone's guess.
*puts gun barrel back in mouth, thinks twice, grabs last glass of wine*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 05:30 PM (lVPtV)
Diane Black will catch hell, there's been a lot of conservatives in Middle Tenn pissed at her for a long time.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 11, 2013 05:31 PM (LUkGY)
Posted by: RWC at December 11, 2013 05:31 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at December 11, 2013 05:31 PM (Dwehj)
JFK once said that those who make nonviolent revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Just throwing that out, though I'm a bit late on the Kennedy anniversary bandwagon, y'know?
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 05:32 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: ontherocks at December 11, 2013 05:32 PM (Dpxe8)
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at December 11, 2013 05:32 PM (K8ws3)
He can advise on fields of fire, lanes of approach and IED placement and prevention.
Along with an additional shooter at the ramparts.
MAKE IT BURN THEN LET IT BURN THEN PISS ON THE ASHES.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 05:32 PM (LSDdO)
Just got home from the county supervisors meeting and turned on the repeat of Levin. If no one posted from the first run, he has basically declared all-out war on Bonehead. He has also taken to playing the opening bars of "The Tonight Show" with Ed McMahon doing the "Here's Johnny..." before launching into his diatribe.
Posted by: RushBabe at December 11, 2013 05:33 PM (hrIP5)
Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at December 11, 2013 05:33 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: NCwoof at December 11, 2013 05:34 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 05:34 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: blue.dot at December 11, 2013 05:34 PM (TP6sz)
And you know, I am really fuckin tired of hearing about Mandela. Fuck that asshole. He may have done some good things, but he's on the same plane as Michael Jackson.
*bangs head on desk*
*grabs another beer*
Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2013 05:35 PM (6bvBO)
Posted by: logprof at December 11, 2013 05:35 PM (X3GkB)
House Republicans:
Ryan
Rep. Tom Cole (Okla.)
Rep. Tom Price (Ga.)
Rep. Diane Black (Tenn.)
Senate Republicans:
Sen. Jeff Sessions (Ala.)
Sen. Charles Grassley (Iowa)
Sen. Mike Enzi (Wyo.)
Sen. Mike Crapo (Idaho)
Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.)
Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio)
Sen. Pat Toomey (Pa.)
Sen. Ron Johnson (Wis.)
Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.)
Sen. Roger Wicker (Miss.)
Dopes.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2013 09:25 PM (g1DWB)
And look at where most of them are from. Solidly "red" districts, states.
Now imagine Reps, Senators from similarly "blue" districts, states voting against the wishes of their base this way.
You can't imagine it. Because it never happens.
Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 05:35 PM (3qZbZ)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 05:35 PM (LSDdO)
The true RINOs are those members of the party bucking the system of the Republican career politicians, Cruz, Paul, etc.
Posted by: davidt at December 11, 2013 05:36 PM (rn0EN)
I would be willing to wager large sums of money that the NSA has been handing over the all of the intercepted comms by these guys.
Anyone they want to put the screws to, they just let them know they have every single phone call, email, and private conversation since 1998.
Remember folks, they can turn your cell phone into a recording device at will.
Think about the most corrupt administration this country has every seen, with that kind of power....
Posted by: ASK21 at December 11, 2013 05:36 PM (hppbQ)
Posted by: Fredlike at December 11, 2013 05:37 PM (rF/yy)
Posted by: Ash at December 11, 2013 05:37 PM (Vk2pI)
Steel yourself. We've got at least 6 months of Mandela stuff in the pipe, ready to go.
Posted by: The Leftist Media at December 11, 2013 05:37 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 05:37 PM (i5xnd)
lemme ask my illegal friend mary jane . . . nope, she don't like it either. we have a quorum.
Posted by: Peaches at December 11, 2013 05:37 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2013 05:37 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 11, 2013 05:38 PM (0FSuD)
Sens. Sessions and Johnson (from WI) are definitely surprises on that list.
Johnson was in the news in the last couple days, saying Obamacare is the law of the land and there's "nothing they can do about it" until voters elect solid-red reps. Now where have we heard something like that before?
Posted by: RushBabe at December 11, 2013 05:38 PM (hrIP5)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 05:38 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: The Palm Beach Agorist at December 11, 2013 05:39 PM (opd3Z)
Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2013 05:39 PM (6bvBO)
Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 11, 2013 05:40 PM (5Q1ZU)
Posted by: Brother Cavil needs to sort his socks at December 11, 2013 05:40 PM (m9V0o)
So rather than attempt some actual remedies (which most likely wouldn't work) and upset the gravy train for those who will survive (the rich and those with international connections i.e. the rich).
OR
They've been told to agitate and aggravate the winger sections of their voting district so as to make some sort of violent reaction more likely down the road a bit but before the actual final curtain.
This is so the infrastructure needed for crowd control and punishment is in place before the rioting takes place.
I can't make sense of it other wise.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 05:40 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 11, 2013 05:40 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Feh at December 11, 2013 05:40 PM (g/zj9)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 05:41 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 11, 2013 05:41 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 05:42 PM (i5xnd)
I still think the American population at large is still too secure and warm to have any meaningful civil disobedience. And I think the main plan of this government in DC is to let us keep just enough to keep us warm and secure. This country will be destroyed with nary a whimper from most people.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 05:43 PM (Tx68O)
Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 05:44 PM (sdi6R)
Peaches, wish you were here in front of the pellet stove. Growing up in CA 40 degrees if fkn cold for there.
Sorry about your woes.
Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2013 05:44 PM (6bvBO)
I have a feeling the former is what Hank Paulson really told them in those closed-door meetings back in 2008, and that all they could hope to do was delay the inevitable as long as possible.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 05:45 PM (RGQmh)
Posted by: RWC at December 11, 2013 05:45 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: Chico Esquela at December 11, 2013 05:46 PM (/o5YZ)
There's no saving the Republican Party at this point. I think it's too firmly entrenched up the ass of the Left to pull out and hose off at this point. This sets back the timetable for pulling the US out of the fire, and quite likely makes it beyond doing. What we're doing isn't working...
What will work? Error, file not found. Have a drink and watch the burn.
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 05:47 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: RWC at December 11, 2013 09:45 PM (Q6HBD)
So, when are the protestations of clitorectomies and beheadings?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 05:48 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 05:48 PM (3qZbZ)
Posted by: Brother Cavil needs to sort his socks at December 11, 2013 09:40 PM (m9V0o)
http://feelthefang.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/the-republican-party/
What took you so long brother?
Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 05:48 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: shredded chi at December 11, 2013 05:48 PM (nttL5)
Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 05:49 PM (i5xnd)
This. This is the problem with most. They must demonstrate with real value that they are in fact conservative. There is too much talk and not enough action from the fools. We don't have the votes? Fine, then fucking act like you are at the Alamo and fight anyway.
Posted by: dogfish at December 11, 2013 05:50 PM (nsOJa)
Posted by: Harry Ellis at December 11, 2013 05:50 PM (/o5YZ)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 05:51 PM (RGQmh)
Posted by: alexthechick SMODlings ho! at December 11, 2013 05:51 PM (Gk3SS)
However, the pressure needs to be at fever pitch on Amnesty, where real damage could be done...
Also a nice sharp focus on the McConnell and Lindsey Graham primaries would be a hell of a lot more productive.
Posted by: phreshone at December 11, 2013 05:52 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 05:52 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 11, 2013 05:52 PM (/Swgv)
Posted by: Harry Ellis at December 11, 2013 09:50 PM (/o5YZ)
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Mine too.
Posted by: John F'n Kerry at December 11, 2013 05:53 PM (Tx68O)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 05:54 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 05:56 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 11, 2013 05:56 PM (54dkR)
Posted by: Brother Cavil needs to sort his socks at December 11, 2013 05:56 PM (m9V0o)
I went to bed early last night (worn the hell out from meetings and other volunteer stuff that seems never ending during the holidays), and was awakened in the wee hours by copying machine coming on in husband's office down the hall.
Once again, our power blinked out for a nano second, and I got up at 2:00 a.m. to reset the coffee maker and clocks. Then, it went out again at 5:30 a.m. Damn it.
Husband wonders why I don't get enough sleep.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 05:56 PM (lVPtV)
Because, you know, they TOLD you this was a bad deal....
Posted by: grumpyguy at December 11, 2013 05:59 PM (pOYRF)
Posted by: Son of Liberty at December 11, 2013 05:59 PM (BPKIW)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 11, 2013 05:59 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 06:00 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: phreshone at December 11, 2013 06:00 PM (Pr6hk)
Plus, think about the practical implications. If tax increases can now be passed with 51 votes...and the GOP wins six seats next year...
What's really happening here is that the groundwork is being laid for 1) the abolition of the filibuster and 2) majority rule in the Senate. And while I'm not in favor of that as a philosophical matter, it's about to benefit the GOP bigtime.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:00 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: blindside at December 11, 2013 06:00 PM (ajjwb)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman RN now your Dr under obummer care at December 11, 2013 06:00 PM (KuZ6A)
As many of you know, I am all for letting the Dems hang themselves.. we didn't need any shutdown, etc.. Obamacare is our best leverage we've had in years.
So.. what the fuck does Ryan do with that leverage? He fucking caves! WTF? NOW is the time for sticking to hard positions. NOW is the time we have the leverage.
But NOOOOOOOOO.. we have to freakin' negotiate and give up a whole buncha shit in return for what? Not looking mean? Not threatening? We were right about O'Care! Now is the time to crow about it!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 11, 2013 06:01 PM (b/lt+)
Posted by: Dan at December 11, 2013 06:01 PM (gR5OX)
Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 06:02 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 06:02 PM (RGQmh)
Posted by: hand signers union boss at December 11, 2013 06:02 PM (N3Al8)
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at December 11, 2013 06:03 PM (2/oBD)
"And while I'm not in favor of that as a philosophical matter, it's about to benefit the GOP bigtime."
Thats the spirit coach. Got a pinch hitter ready for the pitcher?
Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 06:03 PM (nkPV9)
That would be the English Defence League, who do protest those sorts of things. But the EDL have been deemed 'extreme', and 'racist', and completely unacceptable to every major party in the UK.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 06:04 PM (Nsoq9)
Posted by: fake hand signer guy at December 11, 2013 06:04 PM (N3Al8)
Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 06:04 PM (sdi6R)
As far as the Let It Burn thing goes? It's going to burn whether we let it or not. I suggest a new meme. "Hey, the burn's starting, get the marshmallows!"
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 06:05 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 10:00 PM (c5AtG)
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As I've said before, I think the fix is in for the 2014 election. I think we're going to see voter fraud and campaign corruption beyond anything we could imagine.
The 2014 election is the last major obstacle to gaining complete dictatorial power over this country by the dems. They're going to pull out all the stops.
Posted by: John F'n Kerry at December 11, 2013 06:05 PM (Tx68O)
Not a bad application of Alinksy's Rule #5. A little amateurish, but not bad. I'll be around for a little while if you'd like to try a response with some substance.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:06 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: Paul Ryan at December 11, 2013 06:06 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 06:06 PM (znRtR)
Know what's scary? Lack of any principle whatsoever.
Posted by: NCwoof at December 11, 2013 06:07 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 06:08 PM (JQuNB)
What's really happening here is that the groundwork is being laid for 1) the abolition of the filibuster and 2) majority rule in the Senate. And while I'm not in favor of that as a philosophical matter, it's about to benefit the GOP bigtime.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 10:00 PM (c5AtG)
Love the droll wit, as if the GOP would really use bare-knuckled tactics if/when they regained the Senate.
Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 06:08 PM (3qZbZ)
some of us said keep going with the shutdown because we knew they would soon sell us out. the next sell out is amnesty, the one after that is some backdoor gun control.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2013 06:08 PM (MaP11)
So many of the races in 2014 are on turf where the right side of the political spectrum has the advantage. With all due respect, I think your worries are a little overblown. I will say this, though: if the Dems can fix races in Southern states, which have been rapidly trending red at the local levels, then...yeah. We're done.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:09 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: Red Shirt at December 11, 2013 06:10 PM (J3fGN)
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 06:11 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 06:11 PM (RGQmh)
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 06:11 PM (i+Vw2)
Very well, then. Tear apart the GOP because they're insufficiently advancing your goals...and cement the rule of the other party, who have ABSOLUTELY no interest in advancing your goals. If you think you'll love living in the country that results, I'm interested in hearing your reasons why.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:12 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 11, 2013 09:06 PM (kdS6q)
You know who this benefits?
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at December 11, 2013 06:12 PM (KSjsb)
Posted by: NCwoof at December 11, 2013 06:12 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: blindside at December 11, 2013 06:12 PM (ajjwb)
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 06:13 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 10:09 PM (c5AtG)
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Never underestimate leftist resolve. They're out for all the marbles now. They know with the LIV faction they've can finesse most any outcome they desire. It's going to be crazytime this next year.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 06:14 PM (Tx68O)
Posted by: Chump at December 11, 2013 06:14 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: blindside at December 11, 2013 06:14 PM (ajjwb)
""And while I'm not in favor of that as a
philosophical matter, it's about to benefit the GOP bigtime."
Har, har, har. My guess is the first thing a GOP senate majority does is REINSTATE the filibuster. That's how fuc*ing insecure and self-loathing these people are.
Posted by: rrpjr at December 11, 2013 06:14 PM (s/yC1)
Posted by: Red Shirt at December 11, 2013 06:15 PM (J3fGN)
If that's really what you think, fine. But then there's no point in us talking. I'm not a member of the "Let It Burn" crowd, and I happen to think it's not yet too late. Call me Dagny if you want.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:15 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 11, 2013 06:15 PM (EZNxq)
But wait! Didn't the newly elected socialist member of the Seattle city council say that the solution was for the Boeing workers to take over the airliner plant and run it with workers' councils, to build buses?
I mean, buses, surely that's the ticket to booming prosperity, right?
Since trying to shift from aerospace to buses worked so brilliantly for Grumman in the 1970s.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 11, 2013 06:15 PM (gqT4g)
or Joe Dimaggio.
And batting 9th for the pitcher, for team GOP
Mario MenDOZA!!!
Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 06:16 PM (nkPV9)
There is now only one Party. It may pay lip service to two different sets of ideals, but it acts with one agenda.
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 06:17 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: MTF at December 11, 2013 06:17 PM (qCtp4)
Normally, I'd agree...but right now, the LIV crowd is actually chuckling at signs saying "Saban hearts Obamacare." I grant you that this could easily change within a year, of course.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:17 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: NCwoof at December 11, 2013 06:17 PM (aUQgu)
Вся власть Советам!
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 06:17 PM (Nsoq9)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at December 11, 2013 06:18 PM (afLO3)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 10:11 PM (RGQmh)
Bipartisanship, and don't forget fairness.
Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 06:19 PM (3qZbZ)
Wrong, condescending and NOT funny.
The ignore script trifecta, gotta love these thread for cutting down on my reading time.
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 11, 2013 06:19 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: rrpjr at December 11, 2013 06:19 PM (s/yC1)
McConnell is in a bind. He can't support the budget because he's got a primary in 5 months. But he promised his Chamber of Commerce buddies there would not be another shutdown.
He wants the budget to pass with him casting a meaningless vote against it.
Posted by: Jose at December 11, 2013 06:19 PM (zc/sw)
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 10:12 PM (c5AtG)
It doesn't fucking matter. Shit like this duplicitous clownfuckery on Ryan's part is proof positive that neither party gives two shits about fiscal responsibility. I really don't give a fuck if the country goes bankrupt and collapses into anarchy in 2025 under the Democrats or 2035 under the Republicans. To hell with all of them.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at December 11, 2013 06:19 PM (KSjsb)
That's all laws really are anyway. An agreement between sovereign individuals to follow certain guidelines and recommendations and the addition of appointing referees to point out errors, out right violations and to seize and punish those CAUGHT doing so.
Since the elite has decided that the law does not apply to them then we should take the same view.
First up, don't file income tax OR don't file accurately. I recommend not filing as that is generally a misdemeanor whereas lying on a tax form is a felony.
Failure to file carries very little chance of excess punishment UNLESS YOU OWE A LOT OF MONEY as it cost them too much to prosecute for too little gain. (IRS agents are graded on the size of the tax they manage to recover.)
The worst you will get will be a letter asking why you haven't filed but the likelihood is that you won't even receive that for a few years.
You'll have to stop any state filings also as they share info with the IRS and compare lists.
The fines are small and unless you are way off in your tax calculations the penalties aren't that much. Plus what if they don't catch you?
This is mainly for those who file single no dependents and have salaried income. If you have self employment income or get 1099's from other orgs, then you may be revealed faster.
Plus who cares it's all gonna burn anyway?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:19 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Ralph Cramden at December 11, 2013 06:20 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: Juan Mclameshit at December 11, 2013 06:20 PM (J3fGN)
I realized, watching Ryan get brutally smacked around by Joey Choo-Choo, that there's nothing wrong with Ryan other than low testosterone. He just needs a gonadal transplant from someone with bigger balls than he has. Richard Simmons, perhaps.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 11, 2013 06:20 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 06:20 PM (Nsoq9)
Of course there is. I get a tingle in my swimsuit area just thinking about him.
Posted by: Chris Matthews at December 11, 2013 06:21 PM (bKA83)
@332. Exactly. "With or without lube" is not a sufficient choice for America.
Posted by: Cato at December 11, 2013 06:21 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 06:21 PM (JQuNB)
There was no condescension, and it wasn't meant to be funny.
My correctness may be up for debate, if you'd like to take up my challenge for providing reasons why tearing apart the GOP leads to a better outcome for conservatives.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:22 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: Red Shirt at December 11, 2013 06:24 PM (J3fGN)
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 10:17 PM (c5AtG)
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You're forgetting the gorilla waiting in the wings. All Dear Leader and the dems need to do is start talking "seriously" about student loan forgiveness. When they do that, the young LIV's will be flocking back in droves.
The FSA is still very much alive.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 06:24 PM (Tx68O)
He just needs a gonadal transplant from someone with bigger balls than he has. Richard Simmons, perhaps.
Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.
Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 06:24 PM (RX6BJ)
Having a pretend Conservative party allows the status quo to continue.
Posted by: Splunge at December 11, 2013 06:25 PM (bKA83)
Posted by: Charlie Brown at December 11, 2013 06:25 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Red Shirt at December 11, 2013 10:23 PM (J3fGN)
*****
Comments for nothing and your posts for free
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 11, 2013 06:26 PM (N/Sup)
Of course, as soon as I post this, the ONT will appear.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 11, 2013 06:26 PM (LUkGY)
Posted by: Lucy (holding the ball and with a big smile on her face) at December 11, 2013 06:27 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Thunderb at December 11, 2013 06:27 PM (zOTsN)
The smile is not because of the football.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 06:28 PM (QFxY5)
Palin.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 06:28 PM (Nsoq9)
I also usually don't attempt to justify the existence of gravity. That's because I think I don't need to.
It's like you don't see the dialogue in and around the Republican Party gradually growing more conservative, less open to making grand bargains. It's like you don't understand that a decade ago, the Rubios of the world lose to the Crists in aborted primary challenges, and no one has any idea who in the hell is Ted Cruz. Conservatives have made real inroads. They need to continue that process.
Reversing stagnation and curing ossification take time. I never said the process was done, and I never said every Republican was a friend. If you want to throw in the towel on the GOP, then by all means, enjoy Democratic rule.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:28 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 11, 2013 06:29 PM (Hmnin)
Posted by: Sir Bedevere at December 11, 2013 06:29 PM (wgzFF)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 06:29 PM (RGQmh)
Posted by: Paul Ryan at December 11, 2013 06:29 PM (j0wOO)
3 years ago.
I don't think they're coming back for us you guys.
Posted by: Lucy (holding the ball and with a big smile on her face) at December 11, 2013 06:30 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at December 11, 2013 06:31 PM (j0wOO)
If I haven't
Posted by: Country Singer at December 11, 2013 06:31 PM (LUkGY)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 06:32 PM (JQuNB)
@ 348: So, you're willing to ignore the progress conservatives have made in getting their voices heard, and let the real "progressives" win?
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:32 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 06:32 PM (RGQmh)
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 10:22 PM (c5AtG)
The current GOP has made itself complicit in the crisis we face, and irrelevant to any possible solution.
It needs to be either taken over from within or brushed into Reagan's dustbin of history.
Posted by: cm9000 at December 11, 2013 06:32 PM (3qZbZ)
One, two.
Why, then, 'tis time to ONT.
Hell is murky!
Fie, my lord, fie!
A Moron, and afeard?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:33 PM (LSDdO)
I await your description of another alternative. Perferably one that doesn't involve the Democrats winning shit-tons of elections in the short term and doing damage that might never be repaired. (Well, MORE damage that might never be repaired...)
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:34 PM (c5AtG)
Patty Murray, one of my Senators, who has repeatedly been voted by senate staffers as;
"The Dumbest Member of the senate"?
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you...
Posted by: ChrisP at December 11, 2013 06:35 PM (BpTC0)
If you want to throw in the towel on the GOP, then by all means, enjoy Democratic rule.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 10:28 PM (c5AtG)
And things would be different, how?
Posted by: tbodie at December 11, 2013 06:35 PM (RX6BJ)
Posted by: Red Shirt at December 11, 2013 06:36 PM (J3fGN)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 06:36 PM (Nsoq9)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 11, 2013 06:36 PM (h4eud)
All of the "republicans" in DC have been convinced by the "democrats" in DC that they are in a heap big pile o' trouble with voters. The conservatives are angry at them, so to retain their seats... the republicans must PANDER TO DEMOCRAT VOTERS!!! Because conservatives have given up on them. So they are essentially switching sides mid stream.
Yes, I know this sounds like something out of bizarro land, but really does anyone have a better explanation that does not involve aliens, pods, drugs or incriminating photos?
Posted by: shibumi at December 11, 2013 06:37 PM (25HWz)
Posted by: MSM at December 11, 2013 06:37 PM (vA94g)
You're just being a wet blanket. Either on purpose or out of oblivion.
Either way, your smarmy act of reasonableness is irritating.
I could engage you but I would guess you're one of these internet types that never admits you're wrong you just change the argument and pretend reasonableness (and then shock at the frustration you purposely inspire).
Like fighting a cloud of feathers and just as weighty and substantial.
No thanks.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:37 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 06:38 PM (JQuNB)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
Wouldn't you say that being in Stage 2, while more than a little aggravating, is better than being in Stage 1 circa 2005?
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:38 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 11, 2013 06:38 PM (obTkq)
This is not a fair summary. Your "willing to ignore the progress" clause is familiar to me -- it is the cry of someone in a large, calcified bureaucratic organization, saying "Look at all the change! I swear that glacier actually advanced in the last 5 years!" Your "let the real 'progressives' win" clause is simply deflection. From time to time, parties in this country have been replaced by new parties. The time for that to happen is when the existing parties have ceased to represent the people, and/or ceased to govern responsibly.
What is the Republican solution to the inevitable bankruptcy of the Government? Why did a Republican conspire to slide in this ridiculous provision to make it easier for Democrats to raise taxes? Whom are they representing when they ignore the first, and advocate for the second?
Posted by: Splunge at December 11, 2013 06:39 PM (bKA83)
You know, way back in aought 10 you might remember when Princess Lisa lost a primary to a guy named Joe Miller.
Now Joe was a lot more conservative than the Princess. The establishment repubs both National and Alaska didn't like it a bit that the Princess lost the primary.
They went out of their way to make sure the princess got "her" senate seat back.
Hey TEA Party........effff you!!!!
Posted by: GMB at December 11, 2013 06:39 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 11, 2013 06:40 PM (54dkR)
Posted by: Kreplach at December 11, 2013 06:40 PM (Xkr8I)
yeah. that's what I want. advice from a piss drinker. (who was liar and charlatan).
Ol' mahatma is dead, that was India not the US and you ain't Mahatma.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:40 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at December 11, 2013 06:41 PM (j0wOO)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 06:41 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 11, 2013 06:41 PM (obTkq)
Posted by: Boone at December 11, 2013 06:41 PM (tIyK2)
I'll just leave this laying over here: http://americanconservativeparty.com/principles/
Posted by: Country Singer at December 11, 2013 06:42 PM (LUkGY)
First off, it's not an act. I worked long and hard to get this smarmy. Second, sometimes a wet blanket is a good thing to have around -- like, when the raging fire is about to consume the home.
@ 380
Then I think you should take a look at the number of Tea-Party backed Senators and Congressmen there are, how many ideas they're putting out there (and getting a response!), and how apoplectic they make a ton of people. Again, ten years ago, this doesn't happen. If you choose not to see that as progress, fine. I do.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:42 PM (c5AtG)
As well ask, what was the Senate's solution to the disaster at Adrianople 378 AD . . .?
It's not any given answer that's wrong, it's the question.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 06:42 PM (Nsoq9)
Posted by: The RNC at December 11, 2013 06:43 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Ke$ha at December 11, 2013 06:43 PM (RGQmh)
Watch out. You'll get the most inane, arcane and ancient shit thrown out there to prove you wrong.
And it's not worth arguing about they're just trying to show how clever they are. We get your point and they never will.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:44 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Hibernian Hooligan at December 11, 2013 06:44 PM (6rcHp)
If you actually bothered to read what I was responding to, which was a statement about some GOP backlash against Ted Cruz, you might actually get the point I was trying to make.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:44 PM (c5AtG)
You have too high an opinion of your value as a wet blanket here.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:45 PM (LSDdO)
It's not any given answer that's wrong, it's the question.
Well, I learned about the battle, so that's good. Putting it together to understand your point, I seem to have failed at. Was it my use of the word "inevitable?" All that meant was "if we continue on the current path, it's inevitable."
Cut Govt in half tomorrow, and it is no longer inevitable.
Posted by: Splunge at December 11, 2013 06:46 PM (bKA83)
Hey, you give me an off-base simile, I respond with an over-the-top metaphor. That's just me being a giver.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:47 PM (c5AtG)
Disengage, set course 180 mark 60 warp factor 5.
Get us out of here!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:47 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Schwalbe262 at December 11, 2013 06:47 PM (IxGUR)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 06:48 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:48 PM (c5AtG)
I used to say things like you say not 2 1/2 years ago. Then it finally got thru my skull that the dems and the gop are on the same team and it is not yours.
Nevertheless, good luck with your elections.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2013 06:49 PM (MaP11)
I am asserting that the current political system in the USA cannot cut government - any more than the Senate in the ostensibly-Republican Empire of the 4th century could formulate a Gothic Policy.
That is because, in both examples, the true power lies elsewhere; in unelected (and unenumerated) branches of the (real) state. The Imperium in Rome's case; the agencies and the universities in ours.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 11, 2013 06:49 PM (Nsoq9)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Hibernian Hooligan at December 11, 2013 10:44 PM (6rcHp)
Sure unless enough wet blankets decide that they know better than the rest of us and put the fire out.
Gee isn't that kinda what the current "leadership" of the GOP already does?
Sometimes words just don't work as well as actions.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:50 PM (LSDdO)
Again, as I said before, call me Dagny if you want. Maybe in 2 1/2 years, I'll see your point. I am not ruling that out.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:50 PM (c5AtG)
Don't presume to think you know what my motives are or what I think I'm doing.
Your characterizations and glib "reasoning" would be enough to get you a knuckle sandwich in person.
(although I would be more inclined to just walk away but I can't do that here can I? I stilll have to make note of your comments as I filter them out.)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 11, 2013 06:52 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 11, 2013 06:53 PM (54dkR)
I am asserting that the current political system in the USA cannot cut government - any more than the Senate in the ostensibly-Republican Empire of the 4th century could formulate a Gothic Policy.
Oh. I was happier when I didn't understand your point, because I can't refute it, and it's depressing.
Posted by: Splunge at December 11, 2013 06:54 PM (bKA83)
I won't presume anything about you if you'll return the favor.
Also...threats of a knuckle sandwich? I suggest you look up what Salvor Hardin said about violence.
Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2013 06:54 PM (c5AtG)
Posted by: MSM at December 11, 2013 06:55 PM (vA94g)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 06:56 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: JPowell at December 11, 2013 06:57 PM (+SXXg)
Hell, it's already burning. Pity, the frogs in the pot haven't yet got the memo.
I've spent the better part of my life backing the GOP. Best they'll get from me now, is defensive "lesser of two evils" vote. But, my money, efforts and energy will be going to either straight up Tea Party candidates, or GOP rebels of the Cruz stripe, or even more to the right.
Fuck the GOPo'crats. I'm voting the Bonfire Party, henceforth.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at December 11, 2013 06:58 PM (vvk2F)
I actually voted for John McCain. I did. I, who had previously voted for Mickey Mouse or myself, voted for John McCain. I'm so ashamed. It will never happen again.
Me too. And I shower and shower and shower, but I just can't get the stench off of myself.
Posted by: lily at December 11, 2013 06:59 PM (dXCcK)
Posted by: Dantes at December 11, 2013 07:00 PM (+T3UD)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 07:00 PM (JQuNB)
Have you forgotten his votes for TARP and other big government schemes? Don't fool yourself he has always been a part of the GOP Collective
Posted by: chemman at December 11, 2013 07:00 PM (masNC)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 07:09 PM (JQuNB)
Leave the GOP if you like. Go NOW and never come back. You people add nothing positive at all. EVER. Good riddance. And good luck with your new Lunatic Fringe Crybaby Sissypants Party.
Do you really think Paul Ryan "sold you out"? Really? Because if you are that stupid, well, you're probably already sporting a hat for the LFCS Party. What likely happened is the Democratic aides (oh, you thought Patty Murray was negotiating herself? That's so cute) told the Ryan group that the language was needed to streamline the vote in the Senate so some nut like Cruz couldn't single-handedly kill the deal and make them all stay over Christmas.
He surely wasn't told it was a Senate rule change, and it might not be. We have only the word of unnamed GOP staffers on that. It might well just apply to this bill.
But instead of researching it or demanding an amendment, you go flying off the handle like idiots.
Get lost, losers.
Posted by: Adjoran at December 11, 2013 07:09 PM (473jB)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 11, 2013 07:12 PM (RGQmh)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 07:15 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: David Powell at December 11, 2013 07:15 PM (6on8M)
-C
Posted by: cnation at December 11, 2013 07:19 PM (gzqLV)
"They're not our people. They (Ryan, Rubio, et al.) never were. We've been played over and over and over again. That's why I don't trust Cruz any further than I can drop-kick him. You shouldn't either."
This is why I support small government. It limits the damage they can do.
Posted by: lily at December 11, 2013 07:21 PM (dXCcK)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 11, 2013 07:22 PM (JQuNB)
IÂ’m not sure what being a Republican actually means anymore.
I affiliated with the Republican party because I believe in liberty and small government – I believe in economic and personal liberty and freedom. I thought they (mostly) believed in that too.
But, over my lifetime, both parties have moved leftward. Its so interesting that the values that used to be mainstream are now called ‘extreme’, even by Republicans.
I don’t want to support a party that believes in big government – just a different flavor and brand of big government than the Democrats. And I’m tired of having my values violated and treated contemptuously by people I voted for.
I AM a very practical and pragmatic person – and have supported the more conservative candidate, even though they were not my ideal (I actually voted for John McCain! – but not in the primary). But look at where that’s gotten us – government is huge, they’re trying to run our lives, and they have spent us into ruin. It appears that the pragmatic approach just isn’t working. Time to try something new, I say. Time to stand on first principals.
Posted by: lily at December 11, 2013 07:23 PM (dXCcK)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 11, 2013 07:24 PM (54dkR)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at December 11, 2013 07:51 PM (afLO3)
Posted by: gm at December 11, 2013 08:07 PM (vfM1v)
Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2013 08:12 PM (sdi6R)
Yep.
Posted by: YourPoopyPants at December 11, 2013 08:41 PM (bOKSd)
Where's the *actual wording* of this so-called "procedural gift" . . . ?
In this day and age of unlimited webpages to debate and comment on politics, what possible excuse can anyone have for NOT posting the actual text of the budget deal online?
Then, let us vow to hang this latest leftist power grab from the yardarms for all the world to see, and then so deservedly, attack.
Posted by: tlk428 at December 11, 2013 08:43 PM (+3ito)
Posted by: Carol at December 11, 2013 09:30 PM (z4WKX)
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Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 12, 2013 04:37 AM (XO6WW)
Dems are unified in always seeking MORE for government, Republicans are divided between those that want more for groups that help them win reelection and conservatives who actually want LESS. One of the reasons that moderate RINOish politicians dominate the House Leadership and the Senate is the incessant fundraising needed to compete with Dems in many states. The more they depend on fundraising for elections, the more these Republicans sell out conservatives to the special interests: thus bailouts for bankers, amnesty, defense contractors, ethanol requirements in fuels, and farming subsidies.
House leaders seek the money to give to other house members's campaigns in threatened districts in order to preserve their majority status.
The Burning continues apace.
Posted by: wg at December 12, 2013 05:27 AM (BqcwO)
Posted by: midwestconservative at December 12, 2013 08:21 AM (eFTkY)
Posted by: midwestconservative at December 12, 2013 08:21 AM (eFTkY)
Seems the Ocrats have started boiling the Fillibuster frog one degree at a time, and only on those things that they want. Stuff they don't want, retains the fillibuster.
It's sort of like putting tire puncture devices on a parking lot for going the wrong way -- the wrong way as far as the Demcrats think.
It should not go unmentioned that the GOP LOSERship is just fine with agreeing to the OCrats keeping a barrier to keep it hard for the GOP to achieve anything that might be considered 'conservative'...
Posted by: Seipherd at December 12, 2013 08:56 AM (AortR)
Posted by: midwestconservative at December 12, 2013 09:03 AM (eFTkY)
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