January 23, 2013
— Ace
Photoshop of by @johnekdahl,
including Salon's "Editor at Large" Joan Walsh
2013 CorrectionsOn Jan. 22, Salon republished an article from one of our content partners, the Weeklings, that was sympathetic to unfounded 9/11 conspiracies. The article slipped through our usual review process, and was clearly not up to our standards; we removed it as soon as it was brought to our attention by readers. Salon has a long history of debunking fringe conspiracists — around Sept. 11, and more recently, Sandy Hook — and are proud of those efforts. We regret this oversight.
The support of 9/11 Trutherism wasn't a single sentence buried in the 17th paragraph of the piece. It was the entire precis of the article; indeed, it appeared right in the headline itself.
Give truthers a chance?Not all conspiracy theorists are as crazy as Alex Jones and the Sandy Hook Truthers would have you believe.
And then it's right there in a big fat paragraph that explains the headline:
What concerns me about the repudiation of the Hookers is that the 9/11 Truthers are being tarred with the same “crackpot” brush [as other conspiracy theorists]. Yes, many of the September Eleventh conspiracy theories are implausible, and too often veer, as conspiracy theories unfortunately tend to do, toward the anti-Semitic. But unlike with Sandy Hook, 9/11 conspiracy theories flow from a scientific fact: whatever the 9/11 Commission Report might claim, fire generated by burning jet fuel is not hot enough to melt steel. As with JFK’s “Magic Bullet,” the official version asks us to pretend that the laws of physics do not exist.
And then this:
Another criterion, when evaluating conspiracy theories, is the “Cicero test”; we must ask ourseves: Cui bono? It’s not enough to suggest that the official record is wrong; without a motive for the deceit, absent some obvious beneficiary, there can be no conspiracy. To wit: there are any number of reasons any number of people could have benefited from the removal of JFK from office. The attacks of 9/11, similarly, had countless ripple effects, sparking a massive re-investment in the U.S. military, two wars that cost trillions of dollars, and that legislated erosion of our privacy with the Orwellian name, the Patriot Act, to name but three. Many, many organizations, corporations, states, and individuals benefited, directly or indirectly, from the events of that day.
So the "Sandy Hook conspiracy" falls because there is no good answer to the "Cui bono?" "Cicero test" (as these Mensa Chapter Presidents term it), but the 9/11 Truth conspiracy does pass the test.
So, you know: 9/11 "Truth" is respectable and stuff.
And even in the conclusion:
So: the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory has neither basis in fact nor motive. It is, in a word, bunk. But that does not mean that all conspiracy theories are automatically wrong, or that we should believe whatever the government tells us without question. The JFK “truthers” were eventually vindicated, and the government lies all the time. Keep an open mind! Like the proverbial broken clock, even Alex Jones is right sometimes.
This is not some stray remark. Again, this is the whole point of the article, as telegraphed in the headline.
Now Salon says:
The article slipped through our usual review process, and was clearly not up to our standards; we removed it as soon as it was brought to our attention by readers.
Does their "usual review process" include reading even the headlines?
So you didn't "review" the headline, and you also didn't bother to check the conclusion, either?
It was only "brought to their attention by readers"? A category -- "readers" -- which appears not to include a single staffer or editor at Salon?
Would it be more honest for Salon to just confess they don't have a "review process"?
If you can't even be bothered to skim the headlines of the pieces you publish, you don't have a "review process."
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Posted by: Evil Otto at January 23, 2013 02:42 PM (+9HV6)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 23, 2013 02:42 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 02:42 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 02:43 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: No more redhot poker up the ass at January 23, 2013 02:43 PM (1XRS7)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 23, 2013 02:43 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Hillary at January 23, 2013 02:44 PM (ndlFj)
"We regret that you stupid wingnutz are too stupid to grasp the nuance."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at January 23, 2013 02:44 PM (hO8IJ)
This is like How I met your Mother when Robin realizes even her station manager doesn't watch their news program.
Poor Salon, readership of 0.
Posted by: tsrblke at January 23, 2013 02:46 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: huerfano at January 23, 2013 02:46 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 23, 2013 02:46 PM (WIZUa)
Posted by: New Female Defenders of the Liberal Truth! at January 23, 2013 02:46 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 02:47 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: CAC at January 23, 2013 02:47 PM (ijPYh)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 02:47 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: New Female Defenders of the Liberal Truth! at January 23, 2013 02:48 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 23, 2013 02:48 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 23, 2013 02:48 PM (p/cQy)
Man, that's some intelligence right there, so bright and flammable, it might even melt steel it's so damn impressive!
I mean, you know, you hang around with smart people, you get pretty dang smart yourself!
man, these people are smart.
You know who else is smart? That chick Len Dunham.
She went to one of those schools that don't have grades!
You know that makes people very, very smart.
Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie at January 23, 2013 02:49 PM (ApGOC)
"Fire? Never heard of it." - Charles Gibson
Posted by: Sgt. York at January 23, 2013 02:49 PM (FqBlL)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 02:50 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: no good deed at January 23, 2013 02:51 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: Hillary! at January 23, 2013 02:51 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Mr. Brainiac, Salon Science Editor at January 23, 2013 02:51 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 02:52 PM (OZPoa)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 02:52 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 23, 2013 02:52 PM (ttwHG)
God...The stupidity.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 02:52 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 02:54 PM (uUoUj)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 02:54 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 23, 2013 02:54 PM (vyPsz)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (ttwHG)
Clearly he's never seen the King of the hill episode where Dale goes *sane* after finding the appendix to the Warren Report.
Posted by: tsrblke at January 23, 2013 02:55 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 02:55 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: occam at January 23, 2013 02:55 PM (jnNgc)
Posted by: Truman North, now at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 02:56 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Fritz at January 23, 2013 02:56 PM (w3+gB)
Posted by: no good deed at January 23, 2013 02:57 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 02:57 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: sTevo at January 23, 2013 02:57 PM (L7std)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 23, 2013 02:58 PM (Y4TdB)
They had my number. Bitchez.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 23, 2013 02:58 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: BignJames at January 23, 2013 02:58 PM (HtUkt)
I have no idea. Let me see your raw data and I'll let you know.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 03:00 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 03:00 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 03:01 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 03:01 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 23, 2013 03:01 PM (NzBQO)
At least that's how I remember it.
Posted by: John Titor at January 23, 2013 03:01 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 03:01 PM (4c71i)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 03:01 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 23, 2013 03:02 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 03:02 PM (OZPoa)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 03:03 PM (x59Gv)
Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at January 23, 2013 03:03 PM (L4CWX)
Thanks
Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 07:02 PM (OZPoa)
and 266
Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 03:04 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 03:04 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 03:04 PM (x59Gv)
Duh, nuclear power. Do I have to spell everything out for you?
Posted by: pep at January 23, 2013 03:05 PM (6TB1Z)
The quanty of the one overcame the quantity of the other. I'm gone.
Watch the bits flip. You will wind up w/ a number. Put the number where you desire in your scale.
Wventtally you wind up w/ total. Total will tell tell.
Posted by: dDan at January 23, 2013 03:05 PM (q1RJB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 03:05 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 03:06 PM (9XBK2)
Regarding this Hooker conspiracy, I will admit I was a little surprised when NBC news came out with a blurb on how all the guns in the school were handguns, no Bushmaster. So all the kids were killed with handguns 4 of them apparently.
Does that mean we can keep our "assault" weapons?
Posted by: Jaimo at January 23, 2013 03:06 PM (D8lIv)
Either they dont have a review process or they agreed with the article. Either one is damning in my view.
Posted by: Thorisin at January 23, 2013 03:07 PM (jxir/)
Posted by: Jaimo
Is the Left still a bunch of fascist pricks? Yes? Ok, then, no.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 23, 2013 03:09 PM (xz0nG)
That's a shitload better than rods.
Cuz those little buggers hurt like hell.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 23, 2013 03:10 PM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 03:11 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:12 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 03:12 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 03:13 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: @SCOAMT at January 23, 2013 03:13 PM (ua8gC)
I did fall for the YouTube video this weekend when it was emailed to me though. My hubby thought I was mad and that the government wasn't smart enough to come up with this, I've since let it go, especially when Glenn Beck pooh pooh's it, I know I'm off in grassy knoll land.
Still can't get over how the coroner said all those kids were shot with a long rifle and it turns out they were hit with handguns. Why the error? This still could have been co-opted by the Obama admin. Once the shooting takes place, tell everyone it's an assault rifle and immediately start the progressive juices flowing for disarming us of us semi-automatic weapons. Then let the info slip a month later that actually all the kids were hit with regular handguns. No one is paying attention or even cares, since we now have the Bamster's 23 commandments on gun control.
Posted by: Jaimo at January 23, 2013 03:13 PM (D8lIv)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 03:14 PM (Cnqmv)
I didn't believe the Sandy Hood conspiracy until Anderson Cooper lost his f'n mind denying it.
Now I have questions.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 03:14 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 03:14 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 03:14 PM (x59Gv)
Nice of the Turks to stick up for the honour of a sacred Orthodox church
Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 03:15 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 03:15 PM (OZPoa)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 03:15 PM (Cnqmv)
I hesitate to condemn this guy because I enjoyed learning "Rocky Mountain Way" as a kid.
Wait, what?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 23, 2013 03:15 PM (9YFI1)
Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 03:16 PM (tlhtD)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:16 PM (eqgV8)
Funny, Zombie Constantius is pissed because the Turks have a mosque that looks like Hagia Sophia.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 23, 2013 03:16 PM (QKKT0)
Now if he could do center right, I'd have a job offering!
Posted by: Karl Rover at January 23, 2013 03:17 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 03:17 PM (bxiXv)
*sigh* We've just started speaking again (since I sent her $$ for that pagan Christmas holiday), so I guess I won't.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 03:19 PM (UOM48)
Midway Airport is on Cicero, it's just north of the train yard, it's a famous Pacific Island battle, it's ... I got nothing.
Wait, Fox's Pizza (not the chain) has a restaurant on Cicero (it's great) and you've got Fox Mulder on the front page and ... I got nothing and now I'm hungry and the best you can do for pizza around here is Ledo's which ain't bad but it ain't Chicago.
Posted by: DaveA at January 23, 2013 03:19 PM (hOlQL)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 23, 2013 03:20 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 23, 2013 07:15 PM (9YFI1)
I loved Life's Been Good. Great song. Didn't know it was a chick. Kinda ugly.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 03:20 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 03:21 PM (OZPoa)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 23, 2013 03:21 PM (yhYn1)
It's masturbation-- it's purpose reveals its nature, as Aristotle said
Posted by: sierra five at January 23, 2013 03:22 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:22 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:17 PM (bxiXv)
At this point, I have become convinced that everything I read in the media, see on TV, or hear on the radio is essentially a lie (to varying degrees of intensity).
The only place where I think I might find truth-tellers is AoS, and frankly, I have begun to believe that most of you are liars as well.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 03:22 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 03:23 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (Cnqmv)
C'mon, man
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 03:24 PM (8sCoq)
At last, a news source not afraid to tell the truth!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 03:25 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 03:26 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Aaron at January 23, 2013 03:27 PM (Tlix5)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:27 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:28 PM (eqgV8)
Does product defend Liberals or assault Conservatives?
If yes, run piece.
If no, rewrite piece to defend Liberals or attack Conservatives.
I'd say their review process is generally on the mark and quite effective.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 23, 2013 03:28 PM (eHIJJ)
Really? Just because we don't have any idea what the truth is? Frequently wrong but never in doubt is a way of life.
Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 03:28 PM (tlhtD)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:27 PM (eqgV
Didn't she get turned into goo once? I find that off putting.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 03:28 PM (OQpzc)
That's "Fat, Drunk and Stupid" to you, chum
Posted by: Flounder at January 23, 2013 03:29 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:30 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:30 PM (eqgV
I guess the one stud per three geek ratio didn't work. I'm still bummed Stargate got cancelled when Claudia Black gave me such happy feelings. I love that girl.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 03:33 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 03:33 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Guido at January 23, 2013 03:33 PM (XLuH2)
You know, I'm starting to believe that Mitt Romney was able to kill that woman with cancer.
I'm almost sure he used a special chemical that comes from the rain forest, which he voted to kill by the way. I think it comes from a frog.
See, he was able to find that frog, or more accurately, pay some poor farmers who probably also got cancer, to find that frog, and put some of that poison on a dart that he paid some guy to shoot her with while she wasn't paying attention.
Christ this makes sense!!!
Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie at January 23, 2013 03:33 PM (ApGOC)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 03:34 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (Cnqmv)
Throw something out there and see if anyone salutes it. I'm failing here, but I'm trying.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 03:34 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:35 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:36 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (Cnqmv)
Throw something out there and see if anyone salutes it. I'm failing here, but I'm trying.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:34 PM (OQpzc
Fifty Shades of a Second Term: Baraka and M'chelle Exposed as Never Before
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 03:36 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:35 PM (eqgV
The one who used to be a goa'uld host. Brunette, bad girl. They imported her from Australia after Farscape went under.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 03:37 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 03:37 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 23, 2013 03:37 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada at January 23, 2013 03:37 PM (Z5BDI)
Vala Mal Doran. Last couple of seasons, black hair, rogue, was also Aeryn Sun on Farscape.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 03:38 PM (bxiXv)
How can it be that the Repubs have had essentially FOUR months to study Benghazi, collect their own intelligence, assess timelines, and prepare questions for Hillary, and still manage to fail in such a spectacular manner to obtain any new information, or pin down obvious errors in public statements by senior government officials?
The title of "practiced incompetence" has been won yet again by the party of Boner and Bitch.
Posted by: Hrothgar's Cheap & Dirty Paving Company at January 23, 2013 03:38 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:39 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 03:40 PM (QupBk)
Rand Paul got blows in today. Pissed the Hildebeast off.
He impressed the hell out of me.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 03:40 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 03:43 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (Cnqmv)
ouch.
ok my name is not ette. happy now?
Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 03:44 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:44 PM (eqgV8)
I think the creepy inbred episode is one of the best X-Files episodes.
I asked my 5th grade son when he got home today "can fire melt steel" his reply "of course it can, or if it isn't hot enough to melt it, fire can still make steel change properties so it can be bent or shaped." I felt immense relief that his public skool edukation hasn't trashed his common sense science yet.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at January 23, 2013 03:44 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 03:45 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:46 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (QTHTd)
You and me both. She's the one I want if I can only have one woman on a desert island.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 03:46 PM (OQpzc)
She was filming PB when she tried out for Farscape, and was instantly chosen for the role, at least according to the commentary.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 03:46 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:48 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 03:48 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:49 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 23, 2013 03:49 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Citizen Anachronda has a tinfoil hat at January 23, 2013 03:50 PM (FzhYM)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle
Apparently there's a teachers strike in your area. His edumucation will resume shortly.
Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 03:50 PM (tlhtD)
Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 03:50 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 03:50 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 03:51 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:51 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 03:52 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:52 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (C8mVl)
rut roh, and you do not have any dalmatians around?
Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 03:52 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:53 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (nqBYe)
The truth will out!
Posted by: Hrothgar's Cheap & Dirty Paving Company at January 23, 2013 03:53 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 03:54 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 03:54 PM (4c71i)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:53 PM (QupBk)
Some - I started getting grey around the temples at seventeen, though.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 03:54 PM (4vofC)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 07:52 PM (4vofC)
You know, pound for pound, squirrels are hung better than horses.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 23, 2013 03:54 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 03:55 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 03:56 PM (eqgV8)
Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 03:56 PM (tlhtD)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 03:56 PM (C8mVl)
, I am becoming as disillusioned as you.
now what!?
agree about being leary of information now.
unfortunately researching shit can just come up with more shit !
yikes.
i did want to ask is washington times usually accurate?
Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 03:56 PM (nqBYe)
Okay, since we're being totally honest here for a change, I'll admit that Cruella is not really my sister.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (C8mVl)
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Don't forget your little bro!
Posted by: Poison Guitarist CC DeVille at January 23, 2013 03:56 PM (MPjT8)
I just lost a beautifully crafted intellectual politically astute paean to the incompetence of the republicans to Firefox as aided by Pixy.
Think I will get another beer.
Posted by: Hrothgar's Cheap & Dirty Paving Company at January 23, 2013 03:57 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 03:57 PM (jE38p)
What difference does it make???!!!!! Posted by: Margarita DeVille
gasp
faints after blood rushes to my head to figure it ut.
Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 03:57 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 03:58 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (tlhtD)
the truth being one wannabe communist with mad bolt-action rifle skills killed JFK
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 03:58 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 03:59 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (nqBYe)
How can one tell? What I read there always seems to me to be more in tune with what I think is happening; however, they may just have figured out how to pitch to the fringe right to sell papers.
I am convinced that they are at least 10 times more honest than the WaPo and NYT, FWIW!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 04:00 PM (Cnqmv)
You know, pound for pound, squirrels are hung better than horses.
More so than the Japanese Raccoon-dog, aka Tanuki?
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 04:00 PM (4vofC)
The JFK “truthers” were eventually vindicated
Does anyone think that a majority of Salon readers, if not editors/writers, would dispute this? I think Walsh herself would give a qualified response.
Posted by: CJ at January 23, 2013 04:02 PM (9G+G5)
I am convinced that they are at least 10 times more honest than the WaPo and NYT, FWIW!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 08:00 PM (Cnqmv)
whew. uh hmm, i had the same issue.
is this article real. turned it over sniffed it. looked for typos and bad grammar.
yeah i hate it.
Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 04:02 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:57 PM (jE38p)
I think Homer wrote this:
"My favorite bird is the pelican.
His beak can hold more than his belly can.
But I don't know how the Hell it can!"
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 04:02 PM (Cnqmv)
@190Ok I obviously missed a teeny tiny detail somewhere. How exactly were the JFK truthers vindicated? Somebody help a natural born liar out here.
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I could be wrong, but I think it's basically "Becuz Oliver Stone sez so!"
RE: Lone Gunmen - Only saw a single episode. Thought it was a lot of fun, but my schedule didn't really allow it. Ironically, it's the one in which conspirators try and fly a fully-loaded passenger liner into the twin towers.
Posted by: junior at January 23, 2013 04:03 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 04:04 PM (Cnqmv)
Oh, yeah. And Claudia Black = hawtness. Also remember seeing her during her appearence in NCIS. IIRC, she accidently broke Tony Dinozo's nose during filming.
^^;;
Posted by: junior at January 23, 2013 04:05 PM (UWFpX)
I remember when I had that fender-bender back in the 70s with my Toyota Celica. I had to wait forever for the body shop to get the fender from the steel mines. They had to dig around until they found the right fender for my car.
If only there was some way that the fender could have been forged using heat of some kind. But we all know that fire can't be made hot enough to melt steel.
Posted by: Marmo at January 23, 2013 04:06 PM (pcgW1)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 04:09 PM (bxiXv)
Another up-vote for The Lone Gunmen - it had a wistful, almost Buckaroo Banzai vibe to it at times that was a nice counterpoint to the relentless darkness of Scully and Mulder's grim pursuit of either the Monster of the Week or the latest iteration of the Syndicate.
But please, some love as well for Millennium - that show broke new ground in entertainment, touching on themes that prime-tine television had never dared to tackle, unafraid in its willingness to confront true evil and call it for what it was, with the whole brought to brilliant, evocative life through the acting chops of the underappreciated Lance Henriksen. If nothing else, think of the legacy - so much of current television is, in one way or another, doing riffs on what Millennium had already laid down.
Serious question, though - did anyone get a glimpse at enough of the entire article to see what, if anything, was cited as having "vindicated" the JFK Conspiracy nuts? Surely they're not just going on Cyril Wecht's "magic bullet" nonsense, are they?
Posted by: A. Pendragon at January 23, 2013 04:13 PM (wJliR)
Posted by: jd at January 23, 2013 04:35 PM (DGhcv)
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NetFlix has it.
Posted by: Citizen Anachronda, impatiently twiddling his thumbs at January 23, 2013 04:40 PM (1c58W)
Posted by: Holger at January 23, 2013 04:54 PM (MHk3m)
Posted by: Jose Wales at January 23, 2013 04:54 PM (lPbS1)
Has anyone heard even one structural engineer or architect say that the building wouldn't come down in a big fire?
Rosie O'Donald, structural engineer. Yeah that's the ticket.
Posted by: Jose Wales at January 23, 2013 05:03 PM (lPbS1)
As the steel is exposed to more heat its strength, integrity and structure degrade. Blacksmiths have known this since the iron age.
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You expect crazy morons to believe the laws of physics and principles of metallurgy?
Posted by: Anon at January 23, 2013 05:08 PM (f+fIu)
"How exactly were the JFK truthers vindicated? Somebody help a natural
born liar out here."
Maybe they're talking about the Robert Kennedy Jr. thing from about a week ago.
http://tinyurl.com/agv5vxe
That's the most recent thing that comes to mind. The only other one I remember was quite a few years ago was E. Howard Hunt and his supposed deathbed confession.
Posted by: NotAMoose at January 23, 2013 05:11 PM (ZZg4j)
How in the fuckety fucking fuck do you format anything here? Do you have to use HTML? Because, goddamn.
Posted by: NotAMoose at January 23, 2013 05:12 PM (ZZg4j)
I'm still bummed Stargate got cancelled
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Don't you think O resembles Apophis? http://tinyurl.com/a7ss74n
Posted by: Anon at January 23, 2013 05:13 PM (f+fIu)
Posted by: Holger at January 23, 2013 05:17 PM (MHk3m)
How exactly were the JFK truthers vindicated? Somebody help a natural born liar out here."
Maybe they're talking about the Robert Kennedy Jr. thing from about aweek ago.
http://tinyurl.com/agv5vxe
That's the most recent thing that comes to mind. The only other one I remember was the supposed deathbed confession of E. Howard Hunt.
Posted by: NotAMoose at January 23, 2013 05:17 PM (ZZg4j)
Posted by: chuckR at January 23, 2013 05:23 PM (WE9pd)
Posted by: Mr. Brainiac, Salon Science Editor at January 23, 2013 05:29 PM (SzAZ7)
Cui bono? Who in fact is really behind all this "global warming?"
Posted by: Some Bum at January 23, 2013 06:17 PM (qnMOL)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 23, 2013 06:19 PM (n8LUb)
Posted by: Thea at January 23, 2013 07:17 PM (d4HWM)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at January 24, 2013 05:08 AM (1hM1d)
My favorite thing about the article is that it props itself up with supposed "fact" that the JFK conspiracy people were proven correct.
I love the JFK conspiracy stuff...but only because it shows everyone just EXACTLY WHY one must tread carefully when falling for conspiracy theories. The JFK assassination is an event in our history where a very clear majority of our country believed (and likely still believes) that it was a massive conspiracy that killed the President and then covered it up. Very few of the general public believed that it was the work of a lone gunman in a building.
AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC WAS WRONG. Numerous amounts of scholarly research has proven and reproven that Kennedy was in fact killed by Oswald and he did it all with that simple bolt action rifle in a building. What seemed to be a crazy explaination...turned out to be right. No conspiracy. No multiple shooters. Just one guy did it.
Its the reason you should always take conspiracy theories with a grain of salt. Incidentlally its why we on the right should be careful with the Benghazi stuff as well.
The whole premise of the article falls apart because it is propped up on a conspiracy theory that was a load of hysterical bunk that failed the test of science...just like the 9/11 truthers...just like the Sandy Hook truthers...just like the birthers.
Posted by: Chris at January 24, 2013 05:13 AM (kyeFg)
Posted by: AndyN at January 24, 2013 05:49 AM (EuKk6)
Posted by: JDR-Taq at January 24, 2013 06:05 AM (e7KZr)
Posted by: tired at January 24, 2013 06:27 AM (adOUE)
JDR-Taq,
<sigh>
I have no doubt that the actual details of Sandy Hook will be different from the story that was reported as it happened...but it has to do with the journalists involved being bad at their jobs and shills for the left...not because of a conspiracy.
Posted by: Chris at January 24, 2013 07:53 AM (kyeFg)
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