1 first

2 did Sanford call Bostic a "Big Dummy"?

3 lmao!

4 I didn't read what's at the link but I just wish Sanford would go away. Doesn't he have any other skills he can peddle? Yeesh.

5 3 ET!

6 Ace's analysis is spot-on

7 Sorry, but in a reasonable world there is no way Sanford should even come close to winning, his life is one zombie attack away from being a Tales from the Crypt episode.

8 Here's a comment about something......

9 Doesn't he have any other skills he can peddle? Yeesh. Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 29, 2013 12:57 PM (6zgse) Hiking

10 we gave Marion Barry, didn't we? Can't the Democrats run him for the seat in SC, just to prove all is good again?

11 rats, meant to say "we forgave Marion Barry"

12 Hiking the trail = working the hills of Argentina

13 The Hot Air links have begun.  Settle in, morons.

14 According to PPP he is ahead of Bostick by a wide margin.  But they also say he will lose to the Dem.  Which I call BS because Obama lost that district in 2008 by 14%.

15 Consenting adults, baby. Consenting adults. Do I have that right?

16 if Sanford were a Dem, he'd already be a big name on MSNBC. He could partner with Toure.

17 Soon all ace of spades HQ posts will consist solely of the word something. Capitalized. Yes he will still find a way to commit a formatting offense that would send lesser mortals to a lengthy sentence in the barrel. It would probably have to do with italicization. I keed.

18 Strange line of attack about how many bills Sanford had passed vs. Scott.

19 It was okay went Bill Clinton did it, wasn't it?

20 And we're worried about the future of the Republican Party,.

21 Root for injury.

22 Aaaaaahhhhh shit.




You know ace, we all really hate it that you link to HA all the time. They fucking suck. Why would you give them the notoriety and free pub? Geez. It's almost like you're boycotting them or something.....

23 18 Strange line of attack about how many bills Sanford had passed vs. Scott.
 

Posted by: slatz at March 29, 2013 01:03 PM (PIOWA)

 

Yeah... hell..... I'd vote for the guy who goes to Washington saying he will GET RID of Laws....

 

We have too many now...

24 today I am King of Typos! rats

25 If you hate Sanford, you're a filthy SoCon.

26 Wouldn't it be a good thing for a Republican of low moral character to win this thing?  The Dems certainly manage this on a regular basis -- wave of the future, baby! Banging our way to the top.
 
He can even earn bonus youth points by calling the whole affair 'a hook-up'.

27 Aw, man, I just got back from being dragged out for a friggin incredible steak dinner (lunch but whatever!), only to see Sanford is... as self-obsessed as ever.


...I think my stomach just turned over...

28

This is a tough subject, especially since we still have people here who believe that NOBODY knew where Sanford was when he was doing his Argentine cutie.

 

Apparently, the North Koreans were poised to pour over the North Carolina border at any moment - and Sanford wasn't there to fend off the attack.

29 If  Sanford'd had two GFs, that would've been OK.

30 Samford v Bostick?  I didn't think those 2 teams made the NCAA tournament.  Are we talking about the NIT then?

31 Sanford was actually a great Governor.  And he was more of a libertarian Republican and not a social con.


He vetoed the BS ATV license bill.  And the first thing Nikki Haley did after getting elected was to resurrect that bill and sign it.

32 For his campaign mascot, I nominate an Appalachian chipmunk wearing a floppy condom on its head.

33 And he was more of a libertarian Republican and not a social con. Obviously.

34 And this is the best they have? They make Ashley"puffy face" Judd look good....

35

I have absolutely no idea    who to root for in this instance.   I'm going to leave it up to the good people of South Carolina to make the best decision they can make in the circumstances.      I don't know that I'd be able to do it myself.

 

For those    like me who are weary to the bone of political infights, I offer you some political    infights from across the    pond.

 

"Cyprus President: 'We're not going to leave the Euro'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/29/cyprus-not-leave-euro-president

 

Eurozone:  You wanna bet?

36 FWIW, don't really care a lot about Sanford cheating on his wife. It's not a plus, but it's not a disqualifier. But he essentially abandoned his post and iirc used state resources to pursue this affair. That is disqualifying.

37 33 And he was more of a libertarian Republican and not a social con.



Obviously.

Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 01:08 PM (MMC8r)

I Lol'd!

38 Who was that black guy from SC that was trying to run against DeMint?  The one that was slightly "touched" if you know what I mean?  Have him show up again and try to grab the mic.

39 Oy...I find Matt Lauers alledged demise more interesting.

40 Apparently, the North Koreans were poised to pour over the North Carolina border at any moment - and Sanford wasn't there to fend off the attack.


News reports said the donkey was stopped at the border.

41 NOOOOOOOO! That's it. I'm licking the barrell clean. I just don't care anymore!

42 I can always run as a write in.

43 Alvin Greene.

44 14 According to PPP he is ahead of Bostick by a wide margin. But they also say he will lose to the Dem. Which I call BS because Obama lost that district in 2008 by 14%. Posted by: Vic at March 29, 2013 01:00 PM (53z96) Yeah, but that PPP had him within the margin of error even then. I have no doubt there is plenty of Sanford-disgust, but if he wins the primary and if he can even talk a little about issues, he'd win outright. Even though he's a douche.

45 Alvin Greene.

Yes!  Thank you!!!

46 What does Dick Morris say about this race?

47 Strange line of attack about how many bills Sanford had passed vs. Scott.

Posted by: slatz at March 29, 2013 01:03 PM (PIOWA)

 

Yeah, I don't get that.  

 

Number of bills passed =/=     effective legislator

 

I don't give a rat's   ass how many bills a    Congress critter got passed while    s/he was in office.      I just care that the ones s/he DID get passed were good ones.    IMO, getting a lot of   legislation passed just means getting a lot more gubmint involved in people's lives.   That's not something we need.

48 I used Monica Lewinsky's twat as a humidor, and look at how respected I am today.
 
Don't give up, Mr. Sanford.

49 I can't believe the GOP let this dickwad run. OR win!

They KNOW he's toxic. He's a walking infotainment show bonanza for the entire campaign.

That he's got the ego and the lack of responsibility to the State and to the Country, goes without saying. He had an international affair while Governor. That's not a big plus on his resume to show his Statesmanship attitude 'n stuff.

Too bad the wife wouldn't run against him. THAT would've been amusing as hell. (but just as destructive which is why SHE didn't. SHE'S more of a statesman than HE is.)

Egos. Where do people go to get theirs puffed up like they do?

I have passing acquaintants that help keep me humble, let alone those that know me.

Who's filling this dickwad's brain with whispers of godhood and righteousness?

50 It's not just the affair, which unfortunately, happens all the time. It's about how he disappeared (I don't care how many of his staff knew of his whereabouts) and his statements after he was caught. The way the whole thing went down was just creepy. He seems to have no shame or self-awareness and seems to be a person of poor judgement.

51 NOOOOOOOO! That's it. I'm licking the barrell clean. I just don't care anymore!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 01:10 PM (uhftQ)

 

DON'T DO IT, Tilikum!   STAY STRONG!

52 35 I have absolutely no idea who to root for in this instance. I'm going to leave it up to the good people of South Carolina to make the best decision they can make in the circumstances. I don't know that I'd be able to do it myself.

For those like me who are weary to the bone of political infights, I offer you some political infights from across the pond.

"Cyprus President: 'We're not going to leave the Euro'"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/29/cyprus-not-leave-euro-president

Eurozone: You wanna bet?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at March 29, 2013 01:09 PM (4df7R)

Madam, the answer is crystal clear.  You root for SMOD. o.o Only for SMOD.  ALWAYS for SMOD.

53 He seems to have no shame or self-awareness and seems to be a person of poor judgement.


And this should keep a person from serving the public?

54 Here's a comment from wsj:
http://tinyurl.com/d4sfwgb

55 >>>Do I have that right? actually you do. You know I dig you but I do wonder why it's so important to you what other people are doing. I've written about this before, with respect to liberals, but the point applies to all people. I think what a lot of people are doing is justifying a personal disapproval as not just being a personal disapproval but something with tremendous social impact, by postulating a series of indirect effects that wind up tenuously affecting us all. Until Bostick started talking like a RINO I agreed that there's no reason to give this flake Sanford a chance to risk a seat. But that said, I don't understand the determination to so frequently express one's disapproval of sexual choices and the like. Obviously he's a bad guy. But there's this whole system of justification of constantly-expressed disapproval. That one is always doing the world some good by expressing judgments. There are certain parts of Jesus' message that seem to be getting shortshrift lately: 1 JUDGE not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. While certain parts of the Bible are read as crucially important, this part -- from the sermon on the mount!!! -- is sort of being casually dismissed as Sheriff Wiggums dismissed it on the Simpsons: "The Bible says a lot of things, kid." I understand there is some tension, maybe, between Biblical promotions of a proper life and between the cautions against judging; but I don't know if I think I'm seeing that tension. What I'm seeing, it seems to me, is just a full-on rejection of the caveats against judgment, or if not a conscious rejection, at least an unconscious forgetting. Sorry if this makes me sound liberal or "like Charles Johnson." But this passage is PLAINLY in the Bible, in one of Jesus' most important speeches, so I don't think I'm being a liberal by pointing out the fact of its existence.

56 If the Dems are gonna rehab Anthony Weiner, I think we owe it to Zombie Breitbart to bring back Sanford. I'm just sayin'.

57 I for one look forward to the Philander Caucus in the Congress. He and Vitter can get together and do something about human trafficking. Because the price of ho's is too high and forcing good people like Senator Menendez to look for tail abroad.

If there's one thing we're all agreed on, relieving the pressure on Menendez's balls is something American women just won't do.

58 I can't believe the GOP let this dickwad run. OR win!



The State Party did everything they could do to stop him.  But he was a popular Governor which is why they did not impeach him over the affair.  They could not deliver the votes.



And based on what I am seeing he will probably win this election.

59 OT/
---------
Maryland gun vote under way

Erin Cox

The Baltimore Sun

12:19 PM EDT, March 29, 2013

In a joint session expected to last for hours, two key House committees will consider and vote on Gov. Martin O'Malley's sweeping gun-control bill Friday afternoon.

It will be the first public action since February on legislation to ban the sale of assault-style rifles, limit magazines to ten bullets, address when people with mental illness can get access to guns and require a license and fingerprints to buy a handgun.

Committee leaders said that the central provisions of O'Malley's proposal were still intact in a rewritten version that will be taken up first. Lawmakers, though, have an estimated 40 to 90 amendments expected to be offered. Nearly all focus on guns.

Over the past month since the Senate passed the bill, lawmakers have been debating behind-the-scenes whether to scale back the ban on assault rifles to exclude some models, including the AR-15. That rifle has been used in the several mass shootings, including the Newton, Conn. killing of 20 children and six educators that prompted the Maryland legislation.

Committee leaders said the version the committee will consider first keeps the assault-style rifle ban intact, though it deletes a portion that would have required current gun owners to register their firearms with the state.

The rewritten version also keeps intact a new licensing scheme for handgun buyers, but it waives the four-hour training course for current gun owners and others - such as police officers and military veterans - who already know how to use a gun, delegates said.

The new House version also has a different approach to when to bar people with mental illnesses from buying firearms, as well as creates a new process for those people to regain the right to purchase guns.

--------

60 Samford v Bostick? I didn't think those 2 teams made the NCAA tournament. Are we talking about the NIT then? Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 29, 2013 01:07 PM (SkyIE) OK, 2 points for that, pretty funny

61 HAM sandwich?! No thanks, I'm having roast beef with liverwurst onions red peppers swiss and a good mustard

62 There's another more interesting race going on for senate in Massachusetts.

63 I didn't think those 2 teams made the NCAA tournament. Are we talking about the NIT then? Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 29, 2013 01:07 PM (SkyIE) Arizona lost

64 DON'T DO IT, Tilikum! STAY STRONG!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit

***

The stink of HA beta-ness, soooo overwhelming. Must...find...barrell...

65 The GOP confront two mutually exclusive choices.

The party can continue to brand and promote itself as the party of "family values".

Or it can continue to feature blatant adulterers like Sanford in high profile roles.

It can't do both. And if it tries, the result will be parsed by voters as hypocritical, and those voters will punish the party at the polls.

Which is it going to be?

66 Am I supposed to know who Sanford and Bostick are, let alone why they are debating?

67 that said, I think Sanford might actually lose and I don't see the need to permit him his comeback. He walked away from his last position of public trust. Also, it's not like we're "rehabilitating" him for higher office. If we give him this office, this is as far as he goes. He's not going to be President, obviously. So unless his opponent is some kind of major RINO or scoundrel I'd say take a pass on him. But there are just so many judgments about everything. It's exhausting.

68 Or, another interesting race, for MA senate

69 Mark "I'm a Clinton TOO!" Sanford....


another GOP all-star

70 hey if pocahontas can win up in Mass and that Fierce Warrior with all the combat decorations can win in CT, why not a pussie hound in SC?

71 Am I supposed to know who Sanford and Bostick are, let alone why they are debating? Sanford - Crossbows Bostick - Longbows

72 You know ace, we all really hate it that you link to HA eh? who's "we all?"

73 There are certain parts of Jesus' message that seem to be getting shortshrift lately:

1 JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.


Preach it, sistah!

74 Did ace just, intelligently, quote the Sermon on the Mount?



And they say there's no such thing as miracles.

75 Ahhh, Alvin Greene.  How quickly we forget.  I see according to Wiki that he accepted a non-conviction plea bargain to that nasty old obscenity charge that hampered his campaign.

76 Ace, Jesus was not saying we shouldn't make moral judgements. He was saying one shouldn't judge hypocritically when one is doing something much worse than what one is railing about. I think you'll probably find people here who supported Newt, the semi-serial adulterer and marrier who don't support Sanford, who, to our knowledge, has cheated and remarried only once. For me it's not the adultery. It's the way the whole thing went down. I think we were all incredulous at the time.

77 >>>that said, I think Sanford might actually lose and I don't see the need to permit him his comeback. He walked away from his last position of public trust. Also, it's not like we're "rehabilitating" him for higher office. If we give him this office, this is as far as he goes. He's not going to be President, obviously.

Meh.  He'll win.  It will be much closer than usual (e.g. he'll get 53% of the vote rather than the normal 60%) but he'll win. 

But I've been wrong before!

78 12 Hiking the trail = working the hills of Argentina

Posted by: EC at March 29, 2013 01:00 PM (GQ8sn)

Flying the hump.

79 61 HAM sandwich?! No thanks, I'm having roast beef with liverwurst onions red peppers swiss and a good mustard Posted by: Bigby's Bunny-Ear Fingers at March 29, 2013 01:16 PM While my opponent, roast beef with liverwurst onions red peppers swiss and a good mustard is an honorable sandwich, he kicks puppies.

80

There...is the barrell...

(Drags self to barrell. Reaches tongue out....passes out from beta stench)

81 Did we ever get a picture of the tail he was chasing?

82 Alvin Greene's video of his election night party may be the saddest/funniest thing ever posted on the HQ.

83

Sorry if this makes me sound liberal or "like Charles Johnson." But this passage is PLAINLY in the Bible, in one of Jesus' most important speeches, so I don't think I'm being a liberal by pointing out the fact of its existence.

 

FWIW, thanks for  acknowledging Good Friday,  Ace.

 

I look at  Sanford's indiscretion this way: I'm not innocent, so I won't cast the first stone at him. Politically, I'm willing to overlook his indiscretion, much as liberals tend to do, if he advances some of the things I agree with.

 

Also, redemption is cool. Here's hoping  he learned his lesson. The proof will be if he never does it again.

84 Step 1: Put a Jew in a box ...

85 That said, I would rather have Sanford than some commiecrat. I just wish he didn't feel the need to insert himself into politics again. If he had any shame, he would have just disappeared after the incident. But what am I saying? He's a politician.

86 Did we ever get a picture of the tail he was chasing? Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 01:20 PM (MMC8r) yeah I seem to remember we did. She was pretty nice but the wife that threw his ass out was much much much richer. Her Dad started one of them big Electric Tool Companies.

87 80 There...is the barrell...
(Drags self to barrell. Reaches tongue out....passes out from beta stench)

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 01:19 PM (uhftQ)

Someone better versed in the ways of the HQ needs to repair Tilikum's mind with some Integrity Kick snappy one-liners, stat.  >_>  C'mon people, we're losing 'em!

88 Wasn't stamford the guy married to the woman who wanted him to be president and he had a tantrum and ran off to another country so she couldn't force him to be president?

89 While my opponent, roast beef with liverwurst onions red peppers swiss and a good mustard is an honorable sandwich, he kicks puppies.

Posted by: A Ham Sandwich at March 29, 2013 01:19 PM (FWmTq)

OW!

 

Do you know how much it hurts to snort onion out your nose?   Do you?

 

OW.

 

That's what I get for reading   the HQ during lunch.

90 Ace I don't think Jesus was saying "and let the elected Caesar who empower the judges to destroy your moral lapses escape all scrutiny for public misdeeds"


I'm pretty sure he just didn't want me going Rob Dibble on their temples.

91 My only issue about Mark Sanford, incidentally, is that he is a clownish figure and he makes the GOP look like clowns.  For those who would argue "hey, he's his own guy, it's not like the GOP has to take the fall" I would reply "Todd Akin."  Who was immediately disavowed by everyone in the party from top to bottom...yet we still instantly became The Party That Loves Rape Babies.  Sanford will similarly be used to tar us with the hypocrisy brush: "how can they oppose gay marriage when they elected a guy who so openly pissed all over his STRAIGHT marriage!" 

Of course it's irrational.  Of course it makes no sense.  Of course that's what they'll do.

As for the moral condemnation part of it?  Meh, I have my feelings on that, but the only thing I really hate in a politician on my side are idiocy and corruption.

92
88 Wasn't stamford the guy married to the woman who wanted him to be president and he had a tantrum and ran off to another country so she couldn't force him to be president?

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 29, 2013 01:21 PM (/b8+5)

...................?

93 Even though he's a douche.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 29, 2013 01:10 PM (T0NGe)

I'll never forget that love-smitten asshole look on his face after he got caught in his international relations tour; there's no fucking way I could ever think positively of voting for that.  Stupid fucking Repukes.

94 Also, redemption is cool. Here's hoping he learned his lesson. The proof will be if he never does it again. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 29, 2013 01:20 PM (+z4pE) From his statements, I don't think he's learned anything. I mean, he actually asked his ex-wife, who he subjected to public humiliation, to run his campaign. The guy doesn't have a clue. But as I said, better he than some commie.

95 ::: Ace, Jesus was not saying we shouldn't make moral judgements. He was saying one shouldn't judge hypocritically when one is doing something much worse than what one is railing about. ::: It's about the vitriol too, and insisting someone is a low-down sack of crap when we're all sinners. That actually makes me worry about some of the rhetoric I spout and am tempted to spout. Politics is a contact sport, but Christians aren't supposed to be of this world.

96 Home from surgery, I hope my knee is fixed. I may need to enter an asswhooping contest. Oh yeah, Percocet and Kyrstal burgers is a fine lunch. Just say'n

97
1 JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.




For reelz

98 I just can't believe SC has such a shallow bench of electable Repubs that they go with a guy who has already been a national punchline.

99 85 That said, I would rather have Sanford than some commiecrat. I just wish he didn't feel the need to insert himself into politics again. If he had any shame, he would have just disappeared after the incident. But what am I saying? He's a politician.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 01:21 PM (6zgse)

Attention whores, the lot of them.

100 There...is the barrell...
(Drags self to barrell. Reaches tongue out....passes out from beta stench)

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 01:19 PM (uhftQ)

 

Someone get that     whale    into a clean tank, STAT!

101 Any Republican who supports Sanford is pouring sugar and water into his own gas tank

102 ...................?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 29, 2013 01:22 PM (da5Wo)

Don't bother....that's 'curious'.

103 yeah I seem to remember we did. She was pretty nice but the wife that threw his ass out was much much much richer. Her Dad started one of them big Electric Tool Companies.


And on the flipside, do you remember the strange that Schwartzenegger was tapping?  Holy crap...she reminded me of Pennywise the clown from IT.

104 *snif*

yep, cat pee.

I'll get the mop

105 92 BC1981,

That summary is not too far off sadly....

Hey mark how's the Gringa in waiting ese?

106 ::: My only issue about Mark Sanford, incidentally, is that he is a clownish figure and he makes the GOP look like clowns. ::: Yep...it's not my place to forgive him, but even if it was, I wouldn't jump right into trusting him again.

107 >>>Wasn't stamford the guy married to the woman who wanted him to be
president and he had a tantrum and ran off to another country so she
couldn't force him to be president?

Heh.  This is what the whisperers in SC would tell you.  That he was horsewhipped by his wife, whose ambitions he didn't necessarily share.

108 Aunty Em! Aunty Em! Please let me out of the barn. It smells so bad in here! It smells like AllahPundit.

109 1 JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.


yes!

110 >>>Ace, Jesus was not saying we shouldn't make moral judgements. He was saying one shouldn't judge hypocritically when one is doing something much worse than what one is railing about. I don't think so. I think you're putting a gloss on it that permits you to judge, so long as you're judging someone who is "much worse" than you. I think he was saying to tend your own garden. I think he was saying to put your energies into making you the best version of you, and the most sanctified version of you, possible. And I think he was saying that judging others was a form of self-flattery that tended to undermine efforts to improve the self. I don't think he was saying "If you can find someone worse than you, Game On."

111 39 Oy...I find Matt Lauers alledged demise more interesting. I think we're getting the Hotair treatment because of complaints in the previous.

112 I mean, he actually asked his ex-wife, who he subjected to public humiliation, to run his campaign. The guy doesn't have a clue. But as I said, better he than some commie. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 01:22 PM (6zgse) I am not defending him, but that might have been a rues to get her to foot the bill financially since she is loaded.

113 I just can't believe SC has such a shallow bench of electable Repubs that they go with a guy who has already been a national punchline.

It's "too small to be a country and too large to be a lunatic asylum".

114
Someone get that whale into a clean tank, STAT!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at March 29, 2013 01:23 PM (4df7R)

And someone call a couple of frisky female dolphins to cheer him up!

115 94 Chicque D'Afrique,

for my next trick I am gonna ask Monica to skipper HILLARY!'s campaign....

//Things The original Clinton wouldn't dare....

116 actually you do. You know I dig you but I do wonder why it's so important to you what other people are doing --- See my later comment. I don't care who he boned. I do think he went past a personal indiscretion (which could be a tie-breaker for me btwn two equally qualified/appealing candidates based on 'character' issues, but not much more than that) into abusing the public trust through his particular conduct. None of my negative opinions of him are based in religious arguments. I'm pretty good about keeping my religious views out of my political arguments. Even my abortion stand is more humanistic than religious. One of my frustrations with the GOP and/or conservative movement is there's no category for people like me. We all have a need or impulse to put ppl into categories and ace kind of did that by drifting into Biblical things, which I didn't bring up. So I find myself often defending the "so con" position when I'm not really a so con, but I am most definitely not a libertarian either. I feel like right now there are factions: pragmatists/establishment, so cons, and libertarian. (I think tea party identification generally layers on to one of the latter two.) Very hard to have a dialogue right now.

117 Um, Jesus wasn't necessarily saying not to judge others and their actions.

What he was saying (as you pointed out with your selection of verses) was that IF you do, WHEN you do, remember that YOU will be JUDGED also and in like manner. (and we are) And will be judged by humans who will do so JUST LIKE YOU DO and for similar reasons.

So it was a WARNING not an admonition to not do so.

It goes to the quote: "Love they neighbor as thyself".

Meaning to treat others the way you would wish to be treated.

Easy to say, difficult to do.

Making judgments of right and wrong is what makes humans, humans.

Eve real sin was to decide (judge) that she could disobey God.

HER PUNISHMENT was for Eve's children (US) to be condemned to deciding what is right and what is wrong every minute of every day for all the days of our lives. (Knowledge of Good and Evil. Note is doesn't say "Knowledge of What is Good and Evil" just Knowledge that there's a difference and you have to decide which is which constantly)

It's an allegory but still; Pretty Heavy.

118 Ace, fuck the too serious bunch

It's Friday and Good Friday to boot. It's a day for movie reviews, mocking stupid celebrities and their tv shows, music, gun porn, and most of all, sideboob

119

Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 01:13 PM (LCRYB)

 

 

The Bible says I have to forgive Sanford, it doesn't say I have to trust him. I'd argue these are two separate things.

Whether he's redeemed is between him, God and presumably his family (I have no idea if they talk to him.)  And it's not up to me to punish him for that.  However, that doesn't create a positive requirement on me to overlook it with regards to putting him in a position of power.

Lots of drug addicts have also found redemption and turned their life around, it doesn't mean I should put them in charge of a pharmacy.

To a certain extent we're talking about risk management at this point.  It's not immoral to not choose him, so I'm not sure it creates a need to choose him.  It would be awful however to look to him and say "you're not welcome in my church sinner" (which is an entirely different moral action.)

120 Don't bother....that's 'curious'.

Posted by: Tami at March 29, 2013 01:23 PM (X6akg)

I know it is. Who else could it possibly be? lol

121 110 Ace,

when electing Caesar some analysis of their garden may be warranted...

just saying if not he's charismatic after a fashion and he has fans....why not run manson for CA-1?

122 I should add that of the three, I sort of saw myself as a pragmatist until it became apparent they decided to tell so cons to STFU on some pretty fundamental issues and throw in with young libertarians, whom I don't believe will vote GOP anyway.

123 I am not defending him, but that might have been a rues to get her to foot the bill financially since she is loaded.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 29, 2013 01:25 PM (9Bj8R)

Not sure that explanation makes it any better.....actually, it's worse.

124 Is Sanford someone you would have a beer with? Not me, he's a whoredog. I don't care for folks who behave like that.

125 btw I'm anti-Sanford and I don't understand why we're entertaining this. If he were already president, and we HAD to fight for him, as the left fought for Bill Clinton, that's one thing. That's a very tough spot. But we're kind of picking this guy, even though the choice is unforced, and I don't know why. I suppose if he can win, and he's clearly better than the other guy, it's a valid choice. Well anyway, I'm not following it closely enough to know. I just want everyone to know I don't actually mean to defend Sanford. Personally, unless we have a real need for him, I'd say "Tank him." I'm just wondering about the Game On attitude about judgment.

126

From his statements, I don't think he's learned anything. I mean, he actually asked his ex-wife, who he subjected to public humiliation, to run his campaign. The guy doesn't have a clue.

But as I said, better he than some commie.

 

I don't have a dog in that hunt, since I don't live  up there. I'm looking at it from 30,000ft.

 

However, if Sanford wins, and any   Leftards start  on a rant   about   his affair, it would give us a good opportunity to say, "Two words: Billy Jeff Cliton." so there's that.

127

I don't think so. I think you're putting a gloss on it that permits you to judge, so long as you're judging someone who is "much worse" than you.

I think he was saying to tend your own garden. I think he was saying to put your energies into making you the best version of you, and the most sanctified version of you, possible.

And I think he was saying that judging others was a form of self-flattery that tended to undermine efforts to improve the self.

I don't think he was saying "If you can find someone worse than you, Game On."

 

No, he isn't, because he also has instructions on how to confront others who are sinning. I can't recall the reference, but I'll try to dig it up for you. he also went around calling the Pharisees a brood of vipers and whitewashed walls, whipping people in the temple, etc., etc.

128 Not sure that explanation makes it any better.....actually, it's worse. Posted by: Tami at March 29, 2013 01:27 PM (X6akg) hey I said I was not defending the guy.

129 Do you know how much it hurts to snort onion out your nose? Do you? OW. That's what I get for reading the HQ during lunch. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at March 29, 2013 01:22 PM (4df7R) That is why my opponent cannot be trusted, he is in bed with Big Onion, which only exploits people view Sudden Involuntary Nose Ejection (SINE) I am staunchly anti-big onion, but pro small onion.

130
That actually makes me worry about some of the rhetoric I spout and am tempted to spout. Politics is a contact sport, but Christians aren't supposed to be of this world.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 29, 2013 01:22 PM (csi6Y)

Hell of a balancing act, isn't it?  I'm in the same boat. 

By nature, I rebel against authority and have a damned fine time doing it.  o.o Also by nature, I am keen on starting fights, rather than finding common ground.  It's pretty tough to restrain both instincts when it comes to politics. x_x I feel your pain.

131 Look, if Sanford were a Dem, he'd be in fat city. He cheated on his wife, he didn't kill her. Or beat her. Or gamble a zillion dollars away from a charity. Or just outright steal a bunch of gift cards meant for poor kids. Or run a prostitution ring from his house, or grow pot in his living room. Or get high and crash into the Capitol building. Or do kung fu moves in the sauna. Or hire $3000 an hour whores. Or make it with dudes at truck stops. Don't get me wrong - it's not a good thing, a candidate that, all other things being equal, did not have the big public story would be a better candidate. But he's got an organization, he's got name recognition, he did this job before, and he was well regarded for the job he did, and got elected governor afterward.

132 ace interpreting Christian doctrine on Good Friday?  That has to be a whopper in the hierarchy of sins.

133 >>>he Bible says I have to forgive Sanford, it doesn't say I have to trust him. I'd argue these are two separate things. doubtless. I don't trust him either. He seems flakey. and the bible says forgive, not forget, and not reward.

134 Here's the deal. He's flawed and horribly damaged. But, the House isn't about leadership, or who is the better person, its about votes.  Who is more likely to vote the way I would like?  I think between these two clowns, Sanford is the call.

Yes, it is unfortunate that it amounts to bestowing an honor on a guy who really did do some reprehensible things in a very irresponsible manner, but that's what it is.  I'd rather have Sanford than a RINO who thinks passing more laws is the measure of success.

As for having Sanford hung around our necks, yes that's going to happen.  The standard response should be "Yeah, he's a dirtbag.   Let's talk about Hank Johnson and Guam tipping over for a minute.  Now that guy's a fuckin' moron!"  Both sides have stinkers, but they're reliable votes and that's really what matters at the end of the day.

135 I don't think he was saying "If you can find someone worse than you, Game On." Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 01:24 PM (LCRYB) That's not what I said. I said that we are allowed to make moral judgements about what is right and what is wrong. That is different from relishing judging another human being to make oneself feel better. Matthew 7:15-20: 15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Recognizing fruit involves making judgements.

136 Did we ever get a picture of the tail he was chasing? Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 01:20 PM (MMC8r) Last I heard, they were engaged to be married. So, meh. Marriages break up. I can't judge him on this.

137 ace interpreting Christian doctrine on Good Friday? That has to be a whopper in the hierarchy of sins.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 29, 2013 01:29 PM (LCXD1)

The Ewok was first in line to get his feet washed by Pope Francis.  He's turning a new leaf!

138 The State Party did everything they could do to stop him. But he was a popular Governor which is why they did not impeach him over the affair. They could not deliver the votes.

OMG Teh Establishment is trying to pick our nominees for us!!11!!

139 I'm flyyyyyying. I'm flllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyying!

140 132 captain hate,

Nah as a Christian I value the analysis of doctrine by outsiders if I trust their orals.

Second set of eyes seldom hurt anyone......

//said no Muslim ever

141 Sanford's horndogging might be just one of those things ..

But disappearing for a fortnight and suddenly showing up in Argentina with your newest squeeze is just plain unstable

I don't have a big problem with horndogs. I have a problem with a horndog who's missing more than a few pieces from his Leggo set

142 the bible says forgive, not forget, and not reward. Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 01:29 PM (LCRYB) Does the Bible say whether to bet Florida Gulf Coast tonight?

143 midda keneged midda.

by what measure you judged. You also  are judged.



Sanford doesn't really need our forgiveness but His wife and childrens,
that aside  What does sanford bring?  Respectability? honor?  Fiscal value?  srsly i do not know anything more than he had an affair ?I'm not saying He might not be a good man in all other ways and proven himself so, But  What has been shown?

He was available to his state  or was He MIA?
Have his other deeds in and out of office weighed in as good?

144 bad sock

145 Dems cheat, steal, lie, commit election fraud, commit adultery, get caught with hookers and smoking crack, and in Teddy Kennedy's case, murder...and their side closes ranks and never, ever, EVER takes their eyes off the goal. One of our guys screws up and here comes the circular firing squad. Someday soon, when we under totalitarian one-party rule, the GOP will look back and finally realize that taking the high road, every time on every thing, helped bring us to where we are.

146 I wish Traficant would make a comeback. The man was a comedy gold.
 

147 Marriages do break up. But to have done it the way he did, not cool. The man has no ethics or morals. Which means he's not a leader. Fuck'm

148 we do know he threw a pie in our face at a critical time.

149 139 I'm flyyyyyying. I'm flllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyying!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 01:31 PM (uhftQ)

Don't get too ecstatic, or you might find yourself failing to close some italics.  o.ô Then it's the barrel all over again.

150

I'm just wondering about the Game On attitude about judgment.
Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 01:28 PM (LCRYB)

 

 

I think it's entirely different to say "yeah not sure I can trust him to be a good leader" than it is to say "sinner! Doomed to hell."

 

Many of us are saying the former not the latter.  But perhaps I'm wrong.  SC isn't my state, ergo not my fight, but I'd have a hard time trusting him again.  Or as the old saying goes "Jesus may forgive, but I don't forget."

Even if he is redeemed (a fact that is entirely probable actually) trust usually has to be earned back. I'm not sure he's done that.

This is of course the chicken or the egg problem, he's running for congress not governor, so perhaps he's trying to earn back trust (and you have to start somewhere I suppose).

151 Nah as a Christian I value the analysis of doctrine by outsiders if I trust their orals.


Get to confession STAT

152 >>>ce interpreting Christian doctrine on Good Friday? That has to be a whopper in the hierarchy of sins. I certainly hope you're not serious. I certainly hope you're not saying that the Word of God intended for all can only be interpreted by credentialed Pharisees. I certainly hope you're not attempting to make the religion, which is an evangelizing one, an exclusionary one open only to some. On the Pharisees, Yes he did that, that's why I say there's a "tension," but I'm not seeing a tension. I'm seeing a wholesale forgetting of the caveat, in favor of only the lesson of the Pharisees.

153 >>>No, he isn't, because he also has instructions on how to confront others who are sinning. I can't recall the reference, but I'll try to dig it up for you. he also went around calling the Pharisees a brood of vipers and whitewashed walls, whipping people in the temple, etc., etc.

I try to avoid most Bible debates because [insert obvious reason here], but I do want to point out that this is pretty easily distinguishable.  Jesus was so pissed at the Pharisees and the profaners of the Temple because they had degraded and corrupted the active practice, transmission, and preaching of His Father's religion.  Those were pretty much the ONLY people he reserved his anger for -- the ones who were given the sacred charge of imparting religious instruction to the people, yet were fuckin' it all up.

That's very different from his attitude towards the average workaday sinnin' chump like you or me or even Mark Sanford.

154

Is that my body down there? Wow...I am one big....sexy whale!

155 Does the Bible say whether to bet Florida Gulf Coast tonight?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 29, 2013 01:31 PM (9Bj8R)

 

Pfft.   Basketball.   College hockey, baby!

156 However, if Sanford wins, and any Leftards start on a rant about his affair, it would give us a good opportunity to say, "Two words: Billy Jeff Cliton." so there's that.

Yeah, but then they trot out the old "but but but ur the party of Family Values and the sanctity of marriage, LOL" canard.

157 yea a guy like bostic must be a real rino with a web site such as stopspendingnow dot com

158 Well, fuck me sideways.  Drudge has a link up that the Obama princesses have left the Bahamas and flown to Sun Valley, ID for a little snow-skiing.

Just.  No.  Damned.  Words.

159 I certainly hope you're not serious.



Far less serious than the response it got.

160 151 Captain hate,


Typo by "hanging out here with too many dental types"...


ba-da-dum


//thanks tip the waitress...


Hail Mary full of grace

161 Pfft. Basketball. College hockey, baby! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at March 29, 2013 01:33 PM (4df7R) hey I went to School in Upstate NY and Hockey was big when I was there. dead fish thrown on the ice and the whole nine yards. Good times

162

 " Personally, unless we have a real need for him, I'd say "Tank him."

 

I'm on the other side of the spectrum.  If the guy has the right attitude towards smaller government, less regulation and lower taxes, I say stand by him.

 

He didn't steal.  He didn't murder.  He found a woman he wanted to be with more than his wife.  Happens every day.

 

If we on the right don't get over this fundamentalism and absolute need for everyone to 100% morally pure as the bible tell us, we're going to be a pretty small party after a while.

 

 

163 Home from surgery, I hope my knee is fixed. Don't skimp on the rehab. Do it.

164 Is that my body down there? Wow...I am one big....sexy whale!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 01:32 PM (uhftQ)

 

Tilikum, I think you got     too big a whif of that barrel.   Maybe you should just go have a healthy float around the pool for a while, yeah?    Until the weasels stop dancing.

165 Ha-- ABC is intimating Barbara Walters is going to retire. Which is news to BW. Check Drudge.

166 Jesus turned to the Penitent Thief and said "soon you shall join me in Paradise".

Then he nodded towards Sanford and said "we won't be seeing this asshole anytime soon"

167 >>> “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? this is specifically about false prophets, Chique. This is a specific warning to be cautious about those who claim new revelations, and that only by their fruits can you tell a true prophet. I don't see this as a general claim that everyone is a prophet ergo you are at liberty to constantly evaluate their fruits.

168 I don't trust him either. He seems flakey. and the bible says forgive, not forget, and not reward. Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 01:29 PM (LCRYB) I would say this is the issue people have with him. Not necessary the adultery (which is awful but happens to human beings - no, I'm not condoning adultery) but what the incident, which happened to involve adultery, revealed about him.

169 Hail Mary full of grace

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 01:34 PM (LRFds)

..protect us now in this time of HA linkage....

170 158 jane D'oh,

what's there to say, really?

171 Roast beef and liverwurst has refused condiments.

172 I have a live and let live about sin. You're all going to Hell anyway. Sinners!

173
I'd rather have Sanford than a RINO who thinks passing more laws is the measure of success.
Posted by: DanInMN





Because what's the chance Sanford would break a promise to us and "evolve" in office, or do something bizarre because his girlfriend tells him to.

174 My view is this:  a man who would publicly betray and humiliate his wife will betray and humiliate his constituents.



On top of the humiliation, he had the gall to come to her, and ask her to help relaunch his political career.  He is an egomaniac, pure and simple.  People say that "we need to not beat up our own."  I think the problem is that some of us point to Sanford and say "He is one of us."


Sanford has neither shame nor integrity, and so is not worthy of trust.  >_> The people of SC are beyond my comprehension.

175 hey I went to School in Upstate NY and Hockey was big when I was there. dead fish thrown on the ice and the whole nine yards. Good times

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 29, 2013 01:35 PM (9Bj8R)

 

My alma mater is playing tonight for a shot at the Frozen Four, so even though collegiate sports aren't my big thing, I have to put on my ra-ra hat and feel a little of the   old college pride.  

 

Go 'Cats!

176 165 ZSasz,

"Mr Lauer is about to...retire....he misses his family so very much."

Patrick M-Columbo II

177 I guess the teaching is to read "false prophet" so metaphorically it doesn't mean anything beyond "person." But the fact of the matter was there were a lot of prophets in Jesus' day (and many days before). I think historical context would suggest that in an age of many false prophets, when he speaks of "false prophets," he actually means false prophets, and does not just mean "anyone you see on the street."

178 If he'll lie and cheat on someone he love(d) what will he do to those he doesn't know?

179

I think he was saying to tend your own garden. I think he was saying to put your energies into making you the best version of you, and the most sanctified version of you, possible.

And I think he was saying that judging others was a form of self-flattery that tended to undermine efforts to improve the self.

I don't think he was saying "If you can find someone worse than you, Game On."

 

I agree. 

 

Life is (or at least, should be) a process of self-improvement  in preparation for the  transition from the physical to the spiritual at the end of this phase of life. One fucks up (as I have,  many times) and learns what   not to do,  so there's at least that.

 

And on that note, I have    errands to run. BBL.

180 Tilikum, I think you got too big a whif of that barrel. Maybe you should just go have a healthy float around the pool for a while, yeah? Until the weasels stop dancing.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit

***

 

The glowing green weasels say I should lick the barrel. If you can't trust glowing green weasels, who can you trust? (passes out again).

181 >>>Yeah, but then they trot out the old "but but but ur the party of Family Values and the sanctity of marriage, LOL" canard.

Yeah, as I said above, this is my only real objection to Sanford.  I mean he's a flake and manifestly has a record of being untrustworthy, but then again Insert Joke About Politicians Here.  I'm uninterested in offering fiery condemnations of him, and in the House he's just a warm body for the GOP.

My only concern is how he'll be tied to the national party, or conservatism as a whole.  For those of you who are big on opposing gay marriage (it ain't my #1 priority, obviously), you do realize that Mark Sanford's election will actually make that sell harder in real, significant ways, right?  Because trust me: the media and the Left are ALREADY sharpening their rhetorical knives to make the comparisons between conservatives who will vote a lying adulterer back into office but won't allow two committed lesbians to announce their love before the world blah blah blah.

182 Sanford's problem is less moral or biblical than looking ridiculous and self-centered. Sort of like Weiner. Can't take him seriously. But I vote down here.

183 165 Ha-- ABC is intimating Barbara Walters is going to retire.

Which is news to BW.

Check Drudge. Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 01:35 PM

Sorry, but due to the invocation of Commenter Clause 127A in the Blogger-Reader Agreement, Ace is hereby enjoined from linking television news linked from Drudge until further notice.

184 If he'll lie and cheat on someone he love(d) what will he do to those he doesn't know? Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 29, 2013 01:37 PM (6IKyK) No different than anybody else now in Congress?

185 I certainly hope you're not saying that the Word of God intended for all can only be interpreted by credentialed Pharisees.



Assuming you're being serious on this, are you saying it's the religion of autodidacts?  That's how you get shitheads like Phelps.

186 176 Sven-- I think the networks are looking to dump their older, expensive 'talent' in this new age of low ratings and lower revenues. By any way they can.

187 Wait - ace, who is agnostic or atheist or whatever, is trying to use the Bible to say why Republicans can't have this or that candidate? Wake up and have Leftard-O's for breakfast?

188
The glowing green weasels say I should lick the barrel. If you can't trust glowing green weasels, who can you trust? (passes out again).

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 01:37 PM (uhftQ)

 

Oh dear.

 

Someone help me roll Tilikum away from the barrel!  Wear your gas masks!

189 Posted by: Gospel of Brian at March 29, 2013 01:35 PM (mCvL4)

Yeah, that pretty much covers it.

190 It's a day for movie reviews, Watched The Hobbit last night. I swear some of the scenes were taken from video games versus vice versa.

191 >>>Jesus turned to the Penitent Thief and said "soon you shall join me in Paradise".

Then he nodded towards Sanford and said "we won't be seeing this asshole anytime soon"

Oh come on, people, this is the post of the thread.  This is what makes this place great.

192 Jane D'oh,  ,

they are pretty well into hypocrisy .

You guys do this, we do that.

nice to be king.
nice to ignore the unemployed so blatantly.

and besides  children get underfoot when on spring break.

193 I wish Traficant would make a comeback. The man was a comedy gold.
Posted by: dananjcon

The snow weasels that played his hair got into a horrible hot tub accident and were never the same.

194 The Bible is a book of God's relationship with man.

God gives man free will. God reserves the act of judgement to  himself.

God judges. Man doesn't get to judge but chooses according to God's judgement. God wants man to choose what he has judged - God, life, light but leaves the choice to man

195 >>> If the guy has the right attitude towards smaller government, less regulation and lower taxes, I say stand by him. i suppose but only if he's some kind of Indespensible Man. Is he? Honestly I do not know much about this so I can't weigh in. Sure, if he's some kind of amazing guy and the other guy is shit. If they're nearly equivalent, though, obviously, this guy has a lot of baggage.

196 186 Zsasz,

it is their 'Mission Accomplished" moment...

The old geezers got the Communist in power perhaps en perpetual....why are they needed again?

197 166 Jesus turned to the Penitent Thief and said "soon you shall join me in Paradise".

Then he nodded towards Sanford and said "we won't be seeing this asshole anytime soon"

Posted by: Gospel of Brian at March 29, 2013 01:35 PM (mCvL4)

Okay, I'm a horrible person for this, but I have to admit, I laughed.

Actually, I choked on my water while laughing and damn near died.  >_> ...

198 You know those rollerskating bears they used to have in the circus? Reciting Newton to them doesn't improve their balance. It makes them eat your face.

199 Brian Kieth and Daniel Kelly are Stanford and Son in Stalking the Wild
Brazilian.  This week's episode, Hiking the Trail and Finding the Gold.

200 Gotta go with FGCU, despite the odds. The school requires every student to read Atlas Shrugged as part of their Economics requirement. When I heard that , they became my new favorite underdog. Bracket is already busted, so now I have them to root for. And they are actually a good, fun team to watch, so that's a bonus.

201 Because what's the chance Sanford would break a promise to us and "evolve" in office, or do something bizarre because his girlfriend tells him to.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 29, 2013 01:36 PM

The same odds that an unstable twit like Sanford will say something Akin level stupid that conservatives will spend forever trying to live down.

202 Well, fuck me sideways.  Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 01:34 PM (lVPtV)

Yup, and to heck with not speaking ill of the WH minor children, get that oldest one to an electrolysis/laser hair removal expert NOW.  They both need to learn how to smile graciously on camera in respect of just how damn privileged they truly are--instead of always looking like they were just force fed prunes laced with cayenne pepper.

203

Uh oh. I think I have the spins. Everything is spinning clockwise. Or is it me? Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!

204

All of us down at the Brattleboro WomanÂ’s Reproductive and Pregnancy Decision Center think that Presdent Obama should replace that Veteran's Day Holladay with something more meaningfull like "Gay Pride Recoginition Day". This would be something more meaningful, progressive and more in tune with the preasent time.  Gays, lesbians and Tri-Gendrers have cumtributed a lot to the American way of life, moving the economy forward in growth and educated all of us that just because we our different, we our also the same.

205 But think of the payday he'll garner if he wins!!

206 Ain't no way to help Tilikum now.  o.ô The only thing that will fix what ails them is a tranq dart the size of a human arm, and time.

207 There are certain parts of Jesus' message that seem to be getting shortshrift lately: 1 JUDGE not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. ****************** Okay but you are confusing something here. I can vote with extreme prejudice. It's one thing not to pass judgment on my fellow citizen, it is a completely different ball game to vote for someone to rule over and be the voice of many of my fellow citizens. In that exercise lie and I-- don't have to be fair.

208 Oh come on, people, this is the post of the thread. This is what makes this place great.

Posted by: Jeff B. at March 29, 2013 01:39 PM (bcLhD)

Agreed; they can lock the thread because the rest of us are just babbling incoherently compared to that gold standard.

209 Hell of a balancing act, isn't it? I'm in the same boat.

By nature, I rebel against authority and have a damned fine time doing it. o.o Also by nature, I am keen on starting fights, rather than finding common ground. It's pretty tough to restrain both instincts when it comes to politics. x_x I feel your pain.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 29, 2013 01:29 PM (GpMdZ)

 

 

--------------------------------------------------

 

 

Actually, it's not.  What did Jesus instruct his disciples to do in their travels?  Didn't he tell them to tell the people what they know, and if the people reject it, turn  their  back to them,  dust off your sandals and move on.

 

That's good advice for conservatives too.  I've been perusing the news today and I'm becoming more and more convinced that perhaps sucession may be the only recourse for people who want to preserve the divinely inspired US Constitution.

210 >>>Gotta go with FGCU, despite the odds. The school requires every student to read Atlas Shrugged as part of their Economics requirement. When I heard that , they became my new favorite underdog.

Already loved them (their coach is suddenly my old undergrad's most famous sports alumnus!), now I love 'em even more.

211 In that exercise *life* and I-- don't have to be fair.

212 Narcissistically OT/

My post-op root-canal is starting to hurt. But I have no meds.

$1,200 and no oxycodine as a parting gift.

213

So we know Sanford's skeletons.  What about Bostick's?   The Dems are going to hang either of these two around the necks of the Republican party at large,r egardless of who moves forward in the process, so     let's hear what   bones are rattling in Bostick's closet.  Are they worse or more damaging than Sanford's?  

 

I think the overall feeling here at the HQ is that Sanford's adultery, while distasteful, is something that can be managed by teh voters.  His actions SURROUNDING that adultery while in office    are    a more difficult pill to swallow.      But as Sanford himself mentioned, his transgressions are a known entity.  

 

What about Bostick?  

214 Roll me over, roll me over, roll me over and do it agaiiiin. Roll me over....

215 As for Sanford, we already have Al Franken, Hairy Reid, and a whole host of Dim specimens stinking up the Senate, so if SC wants him and there is no vote fraud, so be it.

216

I for one, think the "present" crop, with very few exceptions, of current "Pol's"

 

 

should  be   just  and   swiftly.........pithed.

 

Now I'm off to supine with a blacked out room  and a sleep aid or two.

217

Jeff B., Jesus had absolutely no hesitation telling people they were doing the wrong thing, regardless of who they were. The difference is that he was in a culture that already recognized the Old Testament law as valid, therefore he could simply tell the aldulterers, prostitutes, tax-collectors, etc., to go and sin no more, whereas telling the Pharisees what they were doing, which was considered "good" by society, was a more difficult matter. In this society the roles are reversed - society is quick to call any kind of judgement wrong, but reluctant to condemn virtually anything else.

 

Bottom line is, living the Christian life requires calling sin what it is. That requires judging.

218 evaluate their fruits. kiwi, my all time favorite fruit

219 serious cat thats what booze is for

220 I don't see this as a general claim that everyone is a prophet ergo you are at liberty to constantly evaluate their fruits. Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 01:35 PM (LCRYB) Again, my point is that we are not excluded from making moral judgements about things being right or wrong. My making a moral judgement doesn't mean that I beat someone else who is doing wrong over the head with it. Jesus condemned various sins, including adultery and sexual immorality. (See the sermon on the mount from which you quoted.) But He didn't come to bring condemnation to people but to offer them salvation. I am actually not to judge non-believers for acting like non-believers. (Church discipline is another issue.) However, I don't have to support things I find morally or otherwise objectionable.

221 ;;;I'm just wondering about the Game On attitude about judgment. :;; Haters gonna hate. If he had just banged some skirt on the side, that's one thing. Sometimes it might even be understandable. For example, I hope my dad is smashing some 25 year old skirt on the side, though I doubt he would. However, Sanford just fucked off on his entire responsibility to the people of SC just to tap some foreign ass. Flaky. Would not trust again. See also: Palin, Sarah.

222 206 Ain't no way to help Tilikum now. o.ô The only thing that will fix what ails them is a tranq dart the size of a human arm, and time. Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 29, 2013 01:42 PM (GpMdZ) And maybe some whiskey.

223 shit, are we on fruits now? I saw some dragonfruit at the store - any good?

224 I'm all for ace or whoever quoting Jesus. The great thing about Jesus and Christianity (properly followed, of course) is that both *can* reach people who are not Christians or even religious. Even if you don't believe in the divinity of Christ, he was an amazing person. It's important for those of us who are religious to be able to separate the messages of Christianity (and Judaism, ultimately) from the things that separate us, which are often just the layers man has put on God's message. I believe in an apostolic Church, but many do not and I know that they have trouble with RC's brand of Christianity. But I hope we can put those differences aside and recognize people of good faith from the those who really are evil or whose lives are devoid of meaning. Hear endeth the sermon.

225 For the record from the other thread, Jm J. Bullock isn't dead. His career is.

226
Actually, it's not. What did Jesus instruct his disciples to do in their travels? Didn't he tell them to tell the people what they know, and if the people reject it, turn their back to them, dust off your sandals and move on.

That's good advice for conservatives too. I've been perusing the news today and I'm becoming more and more convinced that perhaps sucession may be the only recourse for people who want to preserve the divinely inspired US Constitution.

Posted by: Soona at March 29, 2013 01:42 PM (AynJL)

You speak truly, sir, but that's not the problem with me.  My problem is aggression.  I want to fight.  I want to get angry.  My first instinct is to declare to all the world just what the problem is with this society full of reprobates, liars, thieves, and murderers, and to throw a few punches.

That is my problem.  x_x  Perhaps others have a better handle on their anger than I.

227 See also: Palin, Sarah.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 29, 2013 01:44 PM (8FQ6f)

Wait....Palin's up for some extra curricular activity???? HOT DAMN!!!!

228 Hockey was big Really fun to watch live. But, bring mittens.

229 Posted by: Grey Fox at March 29, 2013 01:43 PM (P0x1m) The whole point of having a conscience is that you can distinguish right and wrong, but trying to CONDEMN other people with your knowledge is the type of judging that should be avoided. "He/she's a sinner and I'm not" - that kind of thing. Jesus recognized Mary Magdalene was sinning by committing adultery, but he didn't judge her as beneath others.

230 Grey Fox --

Sure, I get that.  But while Jesus had no problem identifying right and wrong, sin and virtue...he didn't get all pissed off about it.  He didn't run into the brothel and say "YER ALL WHOOOOOORES!"  He didn't curse the lepers as obviously having been afflicted for their sins (which was the belief of the time).  Quite the opposite, in fact: He said, look, we're ALL sinners. Live a righteous life and try to lead others to the same path (through Him, of course), but do it with love and understanding rather than rage and anger and fiery condemnation.

The only time Jesus ever spit fire was against the Pharisees, who were a Very Special Case for the reasons I suggested above.

231

"Honestly I do not know much about this so I can't weigh in. Sure, if he's some kind of amazing guy and the other guy is shit.

If they're nearly equivalent, though, obviously, this guy has a lot of baggage."

 

I just can't take tossing someone under the bus when it becomes convienient.  From what I've heard, he was a good conservative for a lot of years.

 

He didn't go whoring around, fucking everything that moved like a Clinton or Menendez, he fell in love with someone.  Big deal.  I don't know what his home life was like, so I can't justify it, but everyone knows this type of thing happens.

 

Let the liberals leave their wounded by the side of the road.  As conservatives, we should be better.  Stand by our team.

232 I am certainly no angel but i never boinked a Brazilian hottie.

Damn it.

233 212 Narcissistically OT/

My post-op root-canal is starting to hurt. But I have no meds.

$1,200 and no oxycodine as a parting gift.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 01:43 PM (UypUQ

Call the dentist and demand something.

When I had a skin cancer removed, with accompanying skin graft, the doctor assured me I'd have very little pain.  I didn't believe him, and insisted he prescribe something.  He did, and later that evening when my face felt like acid had been thrown on it, I was glad I asked for something. 

234

(Floating in the ether)

Look at that sexy whale down there. Hey, what is that guy carrying? It looks like a HUGE dart. Wow, that looks like it would hurt. Good thing that isn't m.......oh crap.

235

221

Do you indeed feel the juice when Matt goes down on you?

236 228 artisanal 'ette,

I'm not sure Governor Romney enjoys Ice Brawling....

237 My post-op root-canal is starting to hurt. But I have no meds.

$1,200 and no oxycodine as a parting gift.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 01:43 PM (UypUQ)

I had posts set for some dental implants two weeks ago today, two hours of surgery under general anesthetic two weeks ago today--bad gums causing bone loss and I finally lost that war.  I am allergic to pain medicines.  The periodontist gave me a prescription to one of my no-nos--despite being given a fresh copy of my allergy list that morning, my friend had it filled while I was in surgery, and in my stupor, I took some.  OMG, itching all over while your face hurts...

I won't even mention the cost.

238 TFG asking for billions more for 'Fix-It First' projects. Awesome.

239
Flaky. Would not trust again. See also: Palin, Sarah.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 29, 2013 01:44 PM (8FQ6f)

.... duck and cover, folks. >_>  Explosions imminent.

240 Somewhat OT, but am I the only one who    reads the name "Bostick" and pictures Sanford debating Donatello from "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?"

241 There is a difference between forgiveness and restoration to leadership. The restoration referred to in the bible is not restoration to leadership. The bible refers to leadership qualification in the church (elders, deacons, pastors) but not political leaders. However, when I look at Sanford's situation, he can and should be forgiven and restored in his relationships and place in society. However, his actions have DQed him from a position of leadership going forward. Refer to Titus and 1Tim 3 for the qualifications of leaders in the church.

242 Forgiving somebody doesn't mean forgetting they've screwed up.

243

There are certain parts of Jesus' message that seem to be getting shortshrift lately:

1 JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

 

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What so many don't realize is that  Jesus was talking about  what a man feels and actually believes in his heart  and soul.  Only God can judge those.

 

We can judge his actions.  We  couldn't have any kind of a justice system if we didn't.

244
235
221
Do you indeed feel the juice when Matt goes down on you?

Posted by: Capt. Dick of the Night Watch at March 29, 2013 01:47 PM (DX4O3)

*pops popcorn*

EoJ? Rebuttal?

245 I'm starting to wonder what Ace is up to that he's so concerned lately about the commenters judging people. Maybe he's leaving us for a cushy high-paying gig at HA?

246 ::: The only time Jesus ever spit fire was against the Pharisees, who were a Very Special Case for the reasons I suggested above. ::: Yeah, I'd agree with that.

247

OWWWWWW. #$%^&!!! Son of a @#$%^

Someone is soooooo getting killed ! @#$%#$$#!!

248 Don't skimp on the rehab. Do it. Posted by: Qualia at March 29, 2013 01:35 PM (XYSwB) And maintain the regimen far longer than even the docs and rehab people tell you to.

249 245 Ian S,

they already have a highly paid 'award winning" anony mouse blogger there....

250 >>>I'm starting to wonder what Ace is up to that he's so concerned lately about the commenters judging people. Maybe he's leaving us for a cushy high-paying gig at HA?

No, he's taking over Noam Scheiber's spot at The New Republic.  It's all part of their new "That's Mighty White Of You!" re-branding effort.

251 What did Jesus instruct his disciples to do in their travels? Didn't he tell them to tell the people what they know, and if the people reject it, turn their back to them, dust off your sandals and move on. Posted by: Soona at March 29, 2013 01:42 PM (AynJL) Thank you! I was looking for an example when Jesus commanded making a judgement and you found it. I think people (not necessarily Ace) misinterpret the judge not passage to mean you have no right to say anything anyone is doing is wrong, ever!!!

252 As a Dentist I hardly write any RXs for Pain Meds since I have magic hands. But when needed I do so I don't get bothered at 2 AM or in the 3rd inning of a Yankee game. Know thy patient

253 OWWWWWW. #$%^!!! Son of a @#$%^
Someone is soooooo getting killed ! @#$%#$$#!!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 01:50 PM (uhftQ)

 

Everyone back up!   And whatever you do, don't look like a   juicy, delicious harbor seal!

254 Somewhat OT, but am I the only one who reads the name "Bostick" and pictures Sanford debating Donatello from "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?" ummm...yeah.

255 240 Somewhat OT, but am I the only one who reads the name "Bostick" and pictures Sanford debating Donatello from "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?" -- I keep thinking of some NFL player. There were several, but I keep thinking of the Redskin.

256 :::*pops popcorn* EoJ? Rebuttal?:::: Sorry. Must be too subtly clever for me, unless it's just the whole "you're gay" thing. Wake me when I have some material to work with.

257 Uh oh. I think I have the spins. Everything is spinning clockwise. Or is it me?
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 01:41 PM (uhftQ)

Are you north of the equator or south of it?

258 ummm...yeah.

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 01:51 PM (fsLdt)

 

Hey!   Don't judge me!

 

259 Aslo by holding yourself up for office--putting yourself "up for election" you are asking to be judged/compared to--the other choices.

260 OT:  The rematch we've all been waiting for.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/cf89aej

261 Jesus also judged the Pharisees fairly harshly--whited sepuhchres and all that.  He was also pretty darn particular about how children should be treated--better not to have been born than to harm one.

262 Let the liberals leave their wounded by the side of the road. As conservatives, we should be better. Stand by our team.

Posted by: jwest at March 29, 2013 01:47 PM (u2a4R)

WTF?  Libs only leave their wounded when they have a gaping chest wound spurting blood into the air.  Did they desert Slick, Chappaquiddick Ted, Sheets Byrd or any of their other human garbage that they keep trotting out?  Fuck no; it's only when Breitbart ridiculed Weiner by doing an end-run on the MFM that the shitstain was shunned because everybody was laughing at him.

There's a lesson to be learned in that and it doesn't bode well for Sanford.

263 YAY NGU is writin' RXs for everyone' w00t!

264  know it is. Who else could it possibly be? lol

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 29, 2013 01:26 PM (da5Wo

 

 

Stuck On Stupid, is that you?  It's the lol placement.

265 YAY NGU is writin' RXs for everyone' w00t! Posted by: Bigby's Bunny-Ear Fingers at March 29, 2013 01:54 PM (gdn6m) As soon as your checks clear

266 Adultery is, as proven by numerous Democrat politicians, an essential leadership  and problem solving  skill. One could almost claim sine qua non. 

267

(raises head and looks around) How'd I get over here and where the heck is everyone? Why do I have a craving for harbor seals and whiskey?

Did I accidently eat some of those box jellyfish again?

268 But while Jesus had no problem identifying right and wrong, sin and virtue...he didn't get all pissed off about it. He didn't run into the brothel and say "YER ALL WHOOOOOORES!" Posted by: Jeff B. at March 29, 2013 01:47 PM (bcLhD) There are quite a few committed Christians on this site, and I'm pretty sure few or any of us have that attitude. I'm pretty sure in our daily lives we treat all people, regardless of their political or religious beliefs, better than everything goes libs. We just refuse to support things we have objections to. As is our right in this country.

269 http://preview.tinyurl.com/cf89aej Whatever that is it's password protected.

270 I'm not sure Governor Romney enjoys Ice Brawling.... Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 01:47 PM (LRFds) I bet he's full of surprises.

271 Remember when Sanford gave the "...soul mate...of the various women..." defense? That showed bad judgment in so many ways, from political to personal. That you liked the other woman is really neither here nor there to us Mark. But now your kids can Bing that.

272 Jesus would totally yell that. Nicely, though.

273 Can we get Todd Akin or Christine O'Donnell to run for this seat so our candidate will be less embarrassing?

274 >>>f he had just banged some skirt on the side, that's one thing. Sometimes it might even be understandable. For example, I hope my dad is smashing some 25 year old skirt on the side, though I doubt he would. This is the interesting thing about this, the dilemma, the quesiton. I asked this at the time: Are we condemning Sanford because he committed adultery, or are we condemning him because he also fell in love? It's a strange thing, but it's that last thing that made this so embarrassing, his public, juvenile professions of love for his inamorata. but it's a weird thing that a sexual release can be forgiven but if he actually falls in love, he can't be. this actually tracks with what women think about adultery -- they hate adultery, naturally, but the bigger fear is the falling in love/abandonment part. Which I understand from the wife's perpsective, but why does society feel this way? This isn't to issue an answer. I don't know the answer. I find the question very interesting. It's one of those questions where I think that if I knew the answer I'd understand humanity more. But I don't.

275 few *,if any,* of us Sigh.

276 @273. I hear Romney is available

277 ace, c'mon.....we judge in life and on this blog all the time.   Without that you'd just have....well movie reviews.  I understand what you're saying about Jesus' warning to us but.....


I think what most people here are saying that they judge what Sanford did WHILE IN OFFICE to be wrong.  They're not condemning his soul to hell, just his political aspirations.   His soul's destination is between him and God.

278 Car dealer charged with mistreating guardsman By The Associated Press Posted : Friday Mar 29, 2013 10:17:57 EDT BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — A north Alabama car dealer was indicted on federal charges of refusing to lower the interest rate in a vehicle deal with a National Guard member who was sent to war. Carl Ralph Nuss, 74, of Cullman was indicted on two counts of violating a federal law that mandates breaks for service members who are called to active duty, federal prosecutors said in a statement Thursday. Nuss, who owns North Alabama Wholesale Autos, denied doing anything wrong and claimed the guardsman’s family was trying to get out of paying for a vehicle. Authorities said a 22-year-old service member bought a Ford Sport-Trac from Nuss in 2011 and was later called to active duty in Afghanistan. The guardsman requested a reduction in his 25 percent annual interest charge to 6 percent, as required by the law, but Nuss refused, said the statement from prosecutors. 25% INTEREST RATE????

279 OK spose I should get bback to work

280

"WTF? Libs only leave their wounded when they have a gaping chest wound spurting blood into the air."

 

You're right.  Liberals do have more integrity than we do. 

 

I've never been so ashame to be a conservative.  We need to let this party burn and build a new one out of the ashes. 

281 >>>That you liked the other woman is really neither here nor there to us Mark. maybe this is the answer to the question I raised above -- the sex was behind doors. We didn't have to see that. We did have to personally witness his declarations of love, though.

282 I swear Pixy....I don't know what you want!  Why does 'I' get a whole line to itself?!

283 Without that you'd just have....well movie reviews. Aren't movie reviews a form of judgement?

284 Soros-Funded Think Progress Warns Libs Not To Root For NCAA TournamentÂ’s Cinderella Story Florida Gulf Coast University Because TheyÂ’re Funded By The Evil Koch BrothersÂ… Another reason to root root for Old, well new, Florida Gulf Coast U

285 this actually tracks with what women think about adultery -- they hate adultery, naturally, but the bigger fear is the falling in love/abandonment part. Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 01:58 PM (LCRYB) This is true about women. However, it's not an issue for me. He's not my husband. Whether he fell in love with his side squeeze doesn't make the adultery better or worse for me. Even if you can't help who you fall in love with, you can control your actions in public. He seemed to have little impulse control.

286 So now we can't use judgement here at AoSHQ? OK. I barely use mine anyway.

287 Sorry. Must be too subtly clever for me, unless it's just the whole "you're gay" thing. Wake me when I have some material to work with.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 29, 2013 01:52 PM (8FQ6f)--------------------"It's just sex.  It's just sex"  Ummmmm...........................

288 Who was the guy with the paddling fetish? Was the story here or did I see it somewhere else? Can't find it.

289 Jesus also judged the Pharisees fairly harshly--whited sepuhchres and all that. He was also pretty darn particular about how children should be treated--better not to have been born than to harm one.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 01:53 PM (kXoT0)

 

 

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Another thing people, especially religious people, tend to also forget is that Jesus was a human being.  He had all the emotional characteristics of all of us.  He could even be tempted.

290 Who was the guy with the paddling fetish? Was the story here or did I see it somewhere else? Can't find it. Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 02:02 PM (fWAjv) Yo over here in NJ

291 I literally have ties older than Florida Gulf Coast

292 ::: There are quite a few committed Christians on this site, and I'm pretty sure few or any of us have that attitude. ::: Not gonna talk about this site, but I've definitely seen what Jeff's talking about elsewhere...just saying.

293 >>>Which I understand from the wife's perpsective, but why does society feel this way?

This isn't to issue an answer. I don't know the answer. I find the question very interesting. It's one of those questions where I think that if I knew the answer I'd understand humanity more. But I don't.

This isn't hard, really, is it?  Women freak out about something like that because goes deep to the heart of their worst fear in any relationship: oh god that could happen to me.  Men don't like it because it's a moment of public shame, of weakness: to profess your love for your WIFE in public is one thing, but for the Other Woman, instead of the wife you've just publicly humiliated?  That's not What Men Should Do. 

That's the thing that rubs a lot of folks the wrong way. 

294 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

295 If you think Busch has a chance in this district, you are too ignorant to venture an opinion on the race.  Sorry.

The last Democrat in the 1st CD was Mendel Davis, longtime chief of staff for the legendary Mendel Rivers, powerful Armed Services Committee Chairman and one of the last great conservative Democrats, nearly 40 years ago.  Since then, a significant part of the black vote has been stripped out to create the "safe minority district" 6 for Clyburn. 

No Democrat will even run close.  Colbert Busch won over 90% of the Democratic primary vote, but only beat Bostic's vote total by under 1000.  It was 6-1 or better.  Any Republican wins a special election, the over/under is 60%.

296 This is the interesting thing about this, the dilemma, the quesiton. I asked this at the time: Are we condemning Sanford because he committed adultery, or are we condemning him because he also fell in love?

I see it as the adultery and the bizarre behavior related to it.

I mean- you're a politician, you got caught cheating on your wife.  Do you:

1.  Deny, deny, deny
2.  Issue tearful apology
3.  Disappear from the face of the Earth to go bang the mistress some more, then come back and declare her your soul mate

297 >>>No Democrat will even run close. Colbert Busch won over 90% of the Democratic primary vote, but only beat Bostic's vote total by under 1000. It was 6-1 or better. Any Republican wins a special election, the over/under is 60%.

If this were a Presidential-year election, I'd take the under, WAY under.  But still with Sanford winning.  In a special election, though?  Eh, I'd still take the under, but it's not going to be a nail-biter.

298 And there is NO DOUBT that Bostic is a big spending tool of the SC GOP "establishment" that hates reformers and budget-cutters like Sanford and Haley.  He is part of the corrupt Bobby Harrell machine.

"Conservatives" who buy that this guy is "Tea Party" are IDIOTS. 

The opposition to Sanford is based on his adultery scandal only.  Bostic still hasn't specified anything he would CUT.

Not that we expect anything but evil from carpetbagging assholes, but if all you have to offer is your blue-nosed preaching, you could stay home.

299 Who's Will Folks supporting?

300 1. Deny, deny, deny
2. Issue tearful apology
3. Disappear from the face of the Earth to go bang the mistress some more, then come back and declare her your soul mate

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 29, 2013 02:07 PM (SY2Kh)

 

 

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4.  Sign up for Nick Searcy's acting school.

301 Not gonna talk about this site, but I've definitely seen what Jeff's talking about elsewhere...just saying. Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 29, 2013 02:03 PM (csi6Y) Maybe the churches I've attended are different. Anyway, if any judgement of people (i.e., discipline) is going on, it should be happening within the church, not with outsiders. 1 Cor 5: 9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. But we are the light of the world and should try to influence the world for good if we can. And Christianity has done this at many times throughout history.

302 His mishandling of falling in love and tone deafness to the way he was wrecking his wife and kids was not unforgiveable. That is not even on my radar as I am not in his family. I have no emotional skin in his game. But he looked like a self-absorbed, weird, guy. Politics attracts them like honey. Boring is underrated.

303 This is the interesting thing about this, the dilemma, the quesiton. I asked this at the time: Are we condemning Sanford because he committed adultery, or are we condemning him because he also fell in love?


It's a strange thing, but it's that last thing that made this so embarrassing, his public, juvenile professions of love for his inamorata.

but it's a weird thing that a sexual release can be forgiven but if he actually falls in love, he can't be.



Not really.  If he gave in to a purely sexual impulse he'd be guilty of a lack of control over a physiological drive.  Even if some of us don't give in to it, we can understand its existence and, once it's satisfied, a person feeling guilty and working to repair the damage and learning from the experience.  By claiming to "fall in love" he shows that he's an emotional retard still stuck in adolescence and not to be trusted to more than a driver's learner's permit.  That he's making more of this than what it was means he can't be trusted because he's a fucking idiot and probably mentally ill.  To Hell with him.

304 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. 

 

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 02:10 PM (6zgse)

 

 

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But didn't Jesus do this several times?  How does one convince anyone of a different way of life if he  sequesters  himself  with only the "righteous" people? 

305 He didn't run off with a "brazilian hottie", he ran off with a woman the same age as his wife, who cared about him and not the power that came with his career. Besides it's none of anyone's business but their business. Isn't his old wife working as his campaign manager?

306 Dear Friend, There seems to be much excitement about the election of Pope Francis. It is an honor that he has chosen the name Francis. The honor is to us but to the Church, that he sees in the heart of St. Francis, the care for the poor, the environment and most important, his lover for God. For me there is something that stands out in his first few weeks of Pope Francis Pontificate that brings an Easter message. Besides his call for being a Church of hope, he reminds us that the Church is not essentially political but spiritual and that an account of the life of the Church can only be given based on our journey to encounter Christ. This is the heart of the message of Easter, to encounter the Risen Christ. It is essential that our everyday life be rooted in that encounter. It is too easy to get caught up in the political jargon of the issues of the Church and lose sight of the dynamic reality of the risen Christ. It is here that our faith not only comes together, but also is the rock foundation that it stands upon. It is my hope that your Eater is filled with the journey of that encounter and that you and your family build on this faith to live as people of hope. Peace, Fr. Vincent Fortunato O.F.M. Cap. info@capuchinfriars.org www.capuchinsupport.org Just received this in my email, it was such a nice surprise.

307 Ace- This isn't about Mark Sanford. It's about the voters and who they see advancing their cause. If this was a DUI on his record it would be a cause for concern, if it were Jaywalking, meh - that's a nothing burger. Sanford's got the same problem as Akin - he's damaged goods. The RINO is a better bet.

308 Mark Sanford is bad enough for me to be agreement with JeffB.

309 Sanford's got the same problem as Akin - he's damaged goods. The RINO is a better bet. Posted by: Minuteman at March 29, 2013 04:45 PM (dSE0q) And that is essentially the republican party's problem. No one wants to run because the dems have a machine that will tear you apart. They had a taste of the flegling republican version with Ashley Judd. So, they begin scraping the bottom of the perverbial barrel, which is where Sanford is located right now. Honestly, most people won't vote for him because, if he cheated on his wife, he's going to cheat on his supporters, and since people view republicans as having to be walking saints, he hasn't got a shot with his own kind. the voter fraud folks are always castrated here and told "it wasn't voter fraud, it was republicans and conservatives who simply didn't vote. That's what would happen with Sanford, might happen with the Rino too, so it'll be a dem seat now.

310 I've been perusing the news today and I'm becoming more and more convinced that perhaps sucession may be the only recourse for people who want to preserve the divinely inspired US Constitution. Posted by: Soona at March 29, 2013 01:42 PM (AynJL) Along with that we need to start talking about what lines of our liberty SHALL NOT BE CROSSED. And begin developing the plans that are needful for that contingency. Additionally, each Free State should be making movements that make dissolution from tyrannical government easier, like Texas did recently by bringing their gold home, or the various States that have established Gold and Silver as legal for use as a monetary vehicle.

311 Besides it's none of anyone's business but their business.

Isn't his old wife working as his campaign manager?

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 29, 2013 03:01 PM (/b8+5)

Just shut up.

312 Colbert's sister is going to beat any republican. Every night she gets free advertising from her brother. So it's whatever sacrificial lamb the republicans want to put up. Sanford has more money but it won't save him. That seats going to Colbert.