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December 21, 2013

Saturday Car Thread 12/21/13 - [Niedermeyer's Dead Horse]
— Open Blogger

Welcome to the barely-a-post car thread. There are gifts to be bought and gifts to be wrapped, so you get what you get. Got it?

What's this? A federal agency comes to their senses?

It is one heck of a bizarre, twisted role reversal when the Environmental Protection Agency is the one acting as the voice of reason in any of their countless political battles, but I take it as a testament to just how deeply messed up this entire Renewable Fuel Standard debacle really is. Big Ethanol flew into an almighty uproar last month when the EPA announced that they were finally planning to relent on their scheduled increases to the biofuel volumes that refiners are required to blend into the nationÂ’s fuel supply, and the powerful lobby has been hinting that they will challenge the EPAÂ’s legal authority to make any adjustments to the RFS other than ones that continue to expand the mandate.

Read the rest here.

Not your ordinary used car ad. Nissan takes notice.

Motor Trend test drives the most powerful drop-top Camaro ever and it looks like a $60k+ meh.

For the car geeks among us: 'Diesel Engine Governors' in-depth.

We gals love men and their trucks.

This week's car thread brought to you by the girl next door.

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1 Looks like my old Chevy truck which I sold for $500 just to get rid of it. Insurance was eating me alive.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 21, 2013 12:19 PM (T2V/1)

2 Ah yes. Biofuel.

Starving people on the margins is apparently perfectly all right with the eco-fascists.

Ethanol should be used for one thing, and one thing only.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2013 12:20 PM (QFxY5)

3 Biofuels = crony corruption. Cornhusker kickback.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 21, 2013 12:20 PM (T2V/1)

4 Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2013 04:19 PM (T2V/1)

Yeah...it sucks when the insurance bill is more than the car is worth.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2013 12:20 PM (QFxY5)

5 2

Ethanol should be used for one thing, and one thing only.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2013 04:20 PM (QFxY5)

What's that? Floorwax? Dessert topping?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 21, 2013 12:22 PM (e4elg)

Turning food vehicle fuel is the largest green energy fraud of all.

An approximately energy neutral process -- it consumes as much energy, in the form of petroleum and natural gas, as it supplies. And food disappears off the market, and food prices go up.

It's nuts.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 21, 2013 12:22 PM (rNCEP)

7 Ethanol? Get rid of it. I can't think of the one thing it should be used for.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 21, 2013 12:22 PM (HVff2)

8 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 21, 2013 04:22 PM (HVff2)

Vodka, and any other liquor based on grain alcohol.

That's why so many booze companies are based in the upper midwest...mostly MN.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2013 12:24 PM (QFxY5)

9 That's not so bad. At least it is driveable.

And about the EPA and Big Ethanol?

Yeah. take a look at when beef and other feed animals started increasing in price.

Notice it's after the jump in ethanol requirements.

WE'RE BURNING OUR FOOD.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 21, 2013 12:24 PM (LSDdO)

10 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2013 04:24 PM (QFxY5) Ahh booze. Carry on valu-rite drinkers.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 21, 2013 12:26 PM (HVff2)

11 Ethanol = Green wealth redistribution!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2013 12:27 PM (o3MSL)

12 Say this ethanol argument has me thinking we're overdue for a good tale about a corn growing cult.

Posted by: Zombie Tom Tryon at December 21, 2013 12:28 PM (XZNzU)

13 All Camaros are meh. Not so with the girl next door, though.

Posted by: garrett at December 21, 2013 12:29 PM (cyvkk)

My truck? Gets about .002 miles to the bushel. Why'd ya ask?

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 21, 2013 12:29 PM (vvk2F)

15 Good thing the greenies never heard of life cycle cost!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2013 12:31 PM (o3MSL)

16 All Camaros are meh. *** For more than $60k it should be a helluva lot better than meh.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 12:34 PM (DmNpO)

17 I think we should make compressed logs out of ProgTards and burn 'em in our Mad Max war machines...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 21, 2013 12:37 PM (vHRtU)

18 For more than $60k it should be a helluva lot better than meh. It's a Camaro, though. Brand X just doesn't bring it. Ever.

Posted by: garrett at December 21, 2013 12:37 PM (cyvkk)

19 Vin Diesel, governor? I never thought I'd see the day.

Posted by: Slow plug at December 21, 2013 12:38 PM (R6JT1)

20
Listen you're very pretty and all, but get off my truck.

Nice find on the video NDH, there are a ton of those old vids that just did a better straight forward job of explaning things.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2013 12:38 PM (MaP11)

21 What do you think of my idea for a new Strippuh scent for car air freshener? And, get this, it'll be shaped like a nood silhouette chick and all sparkly.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 21, 2013 12:39 PM (hGU7+)

22
They should be promoting whiskey instead of bio-fuel.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2013 12:40 PM (MaP11)

23 There are some of us who are spending the day removing the fuel injectors from their Camry.

This after diagnosing the # 1 injector is plugged. Not likely to get a new one before Monday, I suppose, so I now must use my truck which does NOT normally get driven on salt covered roads.

Real thrilled about that.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2013 12:40 PM (SAMxH)

24 Posted by: soothsayer at December 21, 2013 04:39 PM (hGU7+) There was a great one on automatic transmissions posted on an ONT a while back!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2013 12:41 PM (o3MSL)

25 Listen you're very pretty and all, but get off my truck. Nice find on the video NDH, there are a ton of those old vids that just did a better straight forward job of explaning things. *** She's so young and unaffected that she doesn't yet realize how tacky white shoes are. And, thanks. You Tube really is a marvelous invention.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 12:41 PM (DmNpO)

26
Crap. Forgot I need to take wife to church--be back in a while.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2013 12:42 PM (SAMxH)

27 I am pumped, got my Porsche out of the shop with new shifters, sons stripped them. 1987 Turbo Slant nose, # 74 of 87, 23,870 miles. It really runs nice, all new hoses, they wear out. Values tuned, all fluids changed, even the radiator, ha ha. New plugs, oil, etc. Pumping out about 330 HP, which works out pretty well for a 2900 LB car. 0-60 4.3. Top end, 173 MPH. Really. It a widow maker when that turbo kicks in.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2013 12:42 PM (0FSuD)

28 The Inshallah air freshener looks like an ink blot.

Posted by: borsht belt tires at December 21, 2013 12:42 PM (R6JT1)

29 And, get this, it'll be shaped like a nood silhouette chick and all sparkly. *** I don't even want to know the details about the ~~scent~~ odor it will release.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 12:43 PM (DmNpO)

30 Mohawk you have vegetation growing through your truck? For shame.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 21, 2013 12:43 PM (vL0Nv)

31 Nice find on the video NDH, there are a ton of those old vids that just did a better straight forward job of explaning things.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2013 04:38 PM (MaP11)

I know, right? I wish my engineering textbooks had been a hundredth as clear as that video was...

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at December 21, 2013 12:44 PM (IPz9m)

[NDH:] ..."We gals love men and their trucks."

Yes. Yes we do.

And that is a truly fine example you've posted there, NDH.

Thank you!

Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2013 12:44 PM (wIA6U)

33 >>> What do you think of my idea for a new Strippuh scent for car air freshener? Would it make you car smell like amateur night at the Golden Banana?

Posted by: fluffy at December 21, 2013 12:44 PM (Ua6T/)

34 http://www.complex.com/rides/2013/05/25-photos-of-hot-girls-with-classic-cars/

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 21, 2013 12:44 PM (vHRtU)

35 Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2013 04:40 PM (SAMxH) I thought trucks were made to be driven on snowy/salty roads? I never cared to drive my company Camry in snow, ugh.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 21, 2013 12:44 PM (HVff2)

36 Posted by: PaleRider at December 21, 2013 04:43 PM (vL0Nv) <<<<

That maryjuwanna, being CO and all.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2013 12:45 PM (MaP11)

Ice Storms are le suck.

We got about an inch of ice in the last 24 hours.

While we need the moisture...getting it in the form of all ice, is a pain in the butt.

Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2013 12:45 PM (wIA6U)

38 Would it make you car smell like amateur night at the Golden Banana?

Fuzzy Grape

Posted by: Squire at December 21, 2013 12:46 PM (R6JT1)

39 yeah or The Cabaret, which is only about 5 miles from me brb...

Posted by: soothsayer at December 21, 2013 12:46 PM (hGU7+)

40 http://www.complex.com/rides/2013/05/25-photos-of-hot-girls-with-classic-cars/ *** Farrah was so stinking cute.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 12:47 PM (DmNpO)

41 O/T Anyone know the NFL new rules on Thunderstorms? Panther's game is forecast for a big one in the middle of the game. What is the rule for when they start back up? Someone said 10 miles from Stadium. That sounds stupid. Lawyers can fuck up anything.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2013 12:48 PM (0FSuD)

42 Strippers smell like bubble gum and strawberry shampoo. And they sparkle.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 21, 2013 12:48 PM (hGU7+)

43 O/T Fresno State sucks.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 21, 2013 12:48 PM (HVff2)

44 Any truck people here have opinions about the space in various makes/models? For example, my dad's 2007 toyota tacoma has decent head room for me (6'5") but the front of my knees are touching the dash. My old toyota corolla stationwagon had more leg room than his truck...

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at December 21, 2013 12:49 PM (IPz9m)

45 First time I went ice fishing was no big - just a few trout. But riding in an F-150 across a frozen lake? That was cool.

Girl next door is on a Chevy I see... what kinda girl would be on a Ford?

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 21, 2013 12:49 PM (XZNzU)

46 Panther's game is forecast for a big one in the middle of the game. What is the rule for when they start back up? Someone said 10 miles from Stadium. *** It seems like I heard 10 miles as well. And that would be because lighting can strike you in the middle of a clear day, from about that distance. I love Love LOVE a rainy-day game, but completely agree with shutting it down when lightning is involved.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 12:50 PM (DmNpO)

47 Little Craig asked Mom what 2 words mean that kids at school were using ........ Pussy and Bitch.

Mom inhaled sharply, but then said: "Oh, that's easy. A pussy is a cat, like our little Chico.
A bitch is a female dog, like our Sandy."

"Thanks, Mom."

He then found his Dad out in the garage.

"Dad, the guys at school are using words I don't understand."

"What words, son?"

"Pussy and bitch. I asked Mom, but I don't think she told me the right meanings."

Dad said: "Son, never ask your mother about these things, ask me instead. Let me explain it like this."
He pulled a Playboy from his workbench, turned to the centerfold, drew a circle around the pubic area and said: "Son, everything inside the circle is pussy."

"Okay, Dad. Then what's a bitch?"

Dad replied: "Everything outside the circle."

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 21, 2013 12:51 PM (E+uky)

48 Strippers smell like yeast and Chlamydia...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 21, 2013 12:51 PM (vHRtU)

49 $60K is still cheaper than the 2014 500 hp Mustang which weighs in at $96K and some change.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 21, 2013 12:52 PM (T2V/1)

50 Paint strippers never get tips

Posted by: Bubbles at December 21, 2013 12:52 PM (R6JT1)

51 OK my daughter's 2007 Taurus just blew out it's fuel injection system at 100K miles... any thoughts on cause/prevention?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 21, 2013 12:52 PM (vHRtU)

52 Strippers smell like bubble gum and strawberry shampoo. *** That's because of the smoke emanating from those cheap flavored cigars.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 12:53 PM (DmNpO)

53 NDH I guess we'll just have to pace ourselves. The delay better NOT happen in the Fourth quarter, or I'll head home.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2013 12:55 PM (0FSuD)

54 Indiana Jones/Crystal Skull is coming on USA now. You know, in case you really, really want to be pissed of and depressed at the same time.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 12:55 PM (DmNpO)

55 The Mouse That Roared is on TCM...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 21, 2013 12:56 PM (vHRtU)

56 Hey - maybe one of you gearheads can help me..

I took my car into the state emissions testing station the other day.. When they were done and removed the hookup to the computer, I had 2 lights on the dash on.. battery & brakes.

They said don't worry about it, it'll go out. It didn't. When I started it up today, they were not on, but after a half hour drive, they came back on.. and then the check airbag light came on.. then all the meters started acting goofy.

I barely made it back home when the engine died and all I got was fast clicks. I kept it off and waited an hour and it restarted ok, but the original 2 check lights are still on.

So, question.. could the emissions testers have screwed up the computer? Of course it's a Saturday afternoon and no one can look at it til Monday.

Any suggestions? If I unhook the battery will that re-set things?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 21, 2013 12:57 PM (b/lt+)

57 That sucks CT Jerry. Sorry to hear that

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 21, 2013 12:59 PM (HVff2)

58 OK my daughter's 2007 Taurus just blew out it's fuel injection system at 100K miles... any thoughts on cause/prevention?

Don't buy a Taurus.

sorry, it was just hanging out there.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2013 01:00 PM (MaP11)

59 @56 Do you mean the after 1990 plug in computer test? You probably could get a back charge from a shity machine that might blow up your computer. Take it to Auto Zone or NAPA, I think they will plug in your car and test it free.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2013 01:00 PM (0FSuD)

60 Miley Cyrus on ABC's New Year's Eve show? Yeah, let's see her twerk a car the way I did for Whitesnake.

Posted by: Almost Zombie Tawny Kitaen at December 21, 2013 01:01 PM (XZNzU)

61 Cars and elbows ...

Shame she wasn't wearing Daisy Dukes

Posted by: kbdabear at December 21, 2013 01:03 PM (aTXUx)

62 Don't buy a Taurus.
sorry, it was just hanging out there.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
.......
Well.. I am usually all for buying American. But I simply refuse to look art any make of car that has only a 36,000 mile warranty. That's two years driving for me.

So, while I like the Ford Focus and some other American models, I had to scratch them off my list when looking at cars recently. My Hyundai Santa Fe came with a 60,000 bumper to bumper and a 10 yr 100,000 drive train warranty.

After today's electrical troubles, I wish I had bought a new one!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 21, 2013 01:04 PM (b/lt+)

63 Is the injection system leaking? Is the fuel pressure within limits?

Posted by: test port at December 21, 2013 01:05 PM (R6JT1)

64
O'Reilly's will let you borrow their tester also.

Unlikely, but do the magical check gas cap thing, check your rear brake lights work and also make sure your hand brake isn't partly on.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2013 01:05 PM (MaP11)

65 Nip Sip :
Do you mean the after 1990 plug in computer test?

You probably could get a back charge from a shity machine that might blow up your computer.

Take it to Auto Zone or NAPA, I think they will plug in your car and test it free.
...........
Yes, that's the test.

Thanks! Come to think of it, I think some oil places do that too. I'll see if some are open on Sunday.. thanks again!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 21, 2013 01:05 PM (b/lt+)

66 Beats me, I'm auto impaired...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 21, 2013 01:06 PM (vHRtU)

51 My professional diagnosis is a mechanic looking for extra holiday cash. Never heard of a blown-out injection system, and I am very old.

56 You can disconnect the battery, but Monday I'd go down and raise hell at the testing place. Possible the tech disconnected some wires in connecting the OBD connector, but HIGHLY unlikely cause. Sounds either bizarre or mailicious to me. I assume there was an underhood inspection as well based on the lights you're seeing-

Computer wouldn't be damaged by the tester. Take it back before anyone else works on it or you'll have no warranty

Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2013 01:07 PM (b7yum)

68 I wonder if the OBD connector pins get mashed together that they would cause such symptoms. It's worth a glance.

Posted by: intermittent electrical problems are hell at December 21, 2013 01:11 PM (R6JT1)

69 Way back when Floridians were required to have emissions and safety testing on our cars there was a setup in Orange Park, Red Green's Automotive, that was both a licensed testing place and an auto repair shop. After several years they were finally busted for doing exactly what folks had suspected all along.... for failing autos to create business for their repair shop. SOBs.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 01:13 PM (DmNpO)

70 We had a Chevy Lumina minivan in the late 90s. It had this serpentine belt that required you to raise the Titanic and reclassify Pluto to replace it..

If any of the Obamacare plans cover that, I'm thinking Girl Next Door could be on the ads.

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 21, 2013 01:14 PM (XZNzU)

71 Arrest that girl, I see a pot plant... Wait wait. We should consider any mitigating factors as well. OK. Not Guilty.

Posted by: Meremortal, with justice for all at December 21, 2013 01:15 PM (1Y+hH)

72 OT Repost from the last thread......

By the way, not to be a downer but if any of you bank with Chase, and have been to Target anytime in the past month, get to your local branch ASAP. This morning, Chase just slapped restrictions on any card used there.

Yes, on Saturday morning. And no, they didn't fucking email me.

Per my branch manager, restricted to $100 at the ATM, $300 total. She was PISSED, almost as bad as the folks in to complain.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 21, 2013 04:18 PM (TIIx5)

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 21, 2013 01:15 PM (TIIx5)

73 Emissions tests? I completely forgot about those.

Posted by: garrett at December 21, 2013 01:16 PM (cyvkk)

74 oh my niedermeyer......thank you for the man & his truck.....oh my

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at December 21, 2013 01:18 PM (u8GsB)

75 That's just debit cards not credit cards though I think.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 21, 2013 01:19 PM (oFCZn)

76 "Emissions tests? I completely forgot about those." Any populated area large enough to require emissions testing is too large to be living in and should be vacated at first opportunity.

Posted by: Meremortal, with justice for all at December 21, 2013 01:20 PM (1Y+hH)

77
I noticed that Motor Trend made the Cadillac CTS it's 2014 Car of the Year. CTS - the luxury car that depreciates 50% the moment you drive it off the lot.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 21, 2013 01:23 PM (kdS6q)

78 Didn't Tiger Woods crash that truck just before Girl Next Door caught up and sat on the hood?

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 21, 2013 01:23 PM (XZNzU)

79 oh my niedermeyer......thank you for the man & his truck.....oh my *** Purty, ain't he?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 01:24 PM (DmNpO)

80 Any populated area large enough to require emissions testing is too large to be living in and should be vacated at first opportunity.

Posted by: Meremortal, with justice for all at December 21, 2013 05:20 PM (1Y+hH)

Supposing one has the capital and employment mobility to do so, sure.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at December 21, 2013 01:26 PM (IPz9m)

81 "CTS - the luxury car that depreciates 50% the moment you drive it off the lot." I don't know how this can be known or supported as true. Who sells a car right after driving off the lot? lol

Posted by: Meremortal, wit justice for all at December 21, 2013 01:26 PM (1Y+hH)

82 'I'll be in my bunk.' -- Obama Later.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2013 01:31 PM (x1aCh)

83 A former coworker in a union shop would crow about buying a new car every two years. The worthless old bastard lived more extravagantly than management.

Posted by: seniority blues at December 21, 2013 01:32 PM (R6JT1)

84 Supposing one has the capital and employment mobility to do so, sure.
Posted by: KG
...........
Yeah.. funny how it works out most of the jobs are near those population centers, ain't it? It's weird like that!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 21, 2013 01:34 PM (b/lt+)

85 I can remember being outraged the first time I realized that the Car of The Year was for sale to the highest bidder. One of the few things I remember clearly about 50 years ago.

Those calipers on the trophy? They're for measuring the depth of the cash packet.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 21, 2013 01:34 PM (xq1UY)

86 Thanks for the suggestions, everyone!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 21, 2013 01:35 PM (b/lt+)

87 "Any populated area large enough to require emissions testing is too large to be living in and should be vacated at first opportunity." Supposing one has the capital and employment mobility to do so, sure. Posted by: KG at December 21, 2013 05:26 PM (IPz9m) That is an interesting point. When I made the move, I was surprised to learn that small towns tend to have permanent shortages of skills (of many types other than carpentry) and competency. A person with a modicum of both can do quite well in rural areas.

Posted by: Meremortal, justice for all at December 21, 2013 01:35 PM (1Y+hH)

88
Looking at the chicks on cars link in the comments above, I noticed this car and I think I want one even realizing its totally impractical.

http://tinyurl.com/k5ndrk8

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2013 01:38 PM (MaP11)

89 Big cities have most of the jobs and all of the competition. Now, there are certainly dying towns that aren't going anywhere. But there is surprising opportunity in small to medium sized towns, as well as lower cost of living, less crime, no traffic jams and a much better attitude about weapons. But, you guys can keep your cities if you like them. Having experienced both, I find the choice easy.

Posted by: Meremortal, justice for all at December 21, 2013 01:40 PM (1Y+hH)

90
Fun drive taking wife to church just now.

Foggy as hell,dark out, rain and the road is brand new blacktop.

Best driving conditions ever.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2013 01:41 PM (SAMxH)

91 I guess I should have written: "If you like your city, you can keep your city." Yes, that reads much better.

Posted by: Meremortal, justic for all at December 21, 2013 01:42 PM (1Y+hH)

92 @83 During the carmakers' price wars, mid 50's to early 70's, this was not a bad strategy, especially considering what happened to resale when rust showed up, usually just after two years. The real smart move was to find a vulgarian egotist who needed a new car every year, and trade in for his trade-ins.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 21, 2013 01:42 PM (xq1UY)

93 Guy Mohawk most of the kids' toys and the wife's half used bottles of expensive beauty stuff are impractical as well. Get the Roadster. You got them a house to clutter with their stuff, right? This'll be your space.

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 21, 2013 01:43 PM (XZNzU)

94
I don't know how this can be known or supported as true.
Posted by: Meremortal

Like everything else on the internet....

Actually, it's one of the standard items rolled up into a yearly cost of ownership estimate, available at pretty much every car site.

I exaggerate a tad for comic effect, as I am wont to do, but not by much. The CTS street price looks to be in the low $40ks, first year depreciation is a staggering $11k+.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 21, 2013 01:43 PM (kdS6q)

95 But there is surprising opportunity in small to medium sized towns, as well as lower cost of living, less crime, no traffic jams and a much better attitude about weapons.

But, you guys can keep your cities if you like them. Having experienced both, I find the choice easy.

Posted by: Meremortal, justice for all at December 21, 2013 05:40 PM (1Y+hH)

Oh I agree about the choice, it's just that one has to find the opportunity and that's a bit easier said than done.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at December 21, 2013 01:46 PM (IPz9m)

96 51 OK my daughter's 2007 Taurus just blew out it's fuel injection system at 100K miles... any thoughts on cause/prevention? Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 21, 2013 04:52 PM

Did she ever change the fuel filters? Did she buy cheap gas where there was a shitload of sediment in the tanks? Most likely caused by crud buildup

Posted by: kbdabear at December 21, 2013 01:46 PM (aTXUx)

97 I exaggerate a tad for comic effect, as I am wont to do, but not by much. The CTS street price looks to be in the low $40ks, first year depreciation is a staggering $11k+. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 21, 2013 05:43 PM (kdS6q) I was just fooling around as I am wont to do. Yes, the above looks about right. Caddys have long been famous for quick depreciation. Back when the styles changed enough to notice, there was nothing that looked worse than a Caddy that was "one year too old".

Posted by: Meremortal, just for all at December 21, 2013 01:48 PM (1Y+hH)

98 Saw a 2014 Corvette parked at a store in the neighborhood. From the side and rear it looks like a Camaro with a chopped top

Posted by: kbdabear at December 21, 2013 01:48 PM (aTXUx)

99
Tim, well it looks like the 63 was a limited production final year, so I don't think my temporary affair is gonna turn into a marriage. A quick review on the net looks like $90K minimum.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2013 01:51 PM (MaP11)

100 Oh I agree about the choice, it's just that one has to find the opportunity and that's a bit easier said than done. Posted by: KG at December 21, 2013 05:46 PM (IPz9m) Hmmm. You are the one that knows your own situation. Moving to the exurbs is the fast growing migration in the USA today. I would encourage you to keep researching if you like the idea but don't see yet how to swing it. I don't have kids in school anymore but our schools and local kids are more 'old school' too, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Meremortal, just for all at December 21, 2013 01:53 PM (1Y+hH)

101 "A quick review on the net looks like $90K minimum." #99

Guy, try Amazon?

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 21, 2013 01:54 PM (XZNzU)

102 Carolla's car podcast this week features Icon's custom '50s Chevy pickup, which has excellent finish quality. It's modern equipment was integrated almost seamlessly.

Posted by: Jeff Bezellos at December 21, 2013 01:54 PM (R6JT1)

103 Only 'vettes worth admiring are 63 thru 67. They are the sweetest.

Do not like the shovel nose versions at all.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2013 01:56 PM (SAMxH)

104 "Legal authority" You crack me up. That's so 2007.

Posted by: Max Entropy at December 21, 2013 01:57 PM (Hc0n6)

105 I want a car with fins... ...because we got 3 inches of rain today... *rimshot*

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 21, 2013 01:58 PM (SUKHu)

106 Only 'vettes worth admiring are 63 thru 67. They are the sweetest. Do not like the shovel nose versions at all. Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2013 05:56 PM (SAMxH) Grampa I had a '59 that was a beauty. Pennant blue with the white inset she was. Removeable hardtop. Perhaps the worst mistake of my life was selling her in '69.

Posted by: Meremortal, just for all at December 21, 2013 02:00 PM (1Y+hH)

107 I always wanted a '62 split window coupe. But they have become cost prohibitive.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 21, 2013 02:01 PM (T2V/1)

108 79 oh my niedermeyer......thank you for the man & his truck.....oh my *** Purty, ain't he? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 05:24 PM (DmNpO) why yes.....yes he is.........

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at December 21, 2013 02:02 PM (u8GsB)

109 OT

http://tinyurl.com/nmlv694

It isn't often you see a pro-poverty protest. At least, that is effectively what this is, as the protestors are upset about the effects of high paid tech workers moving in to their city.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 21, 2013 02:06 PM (bPxS6)

110 You mean 63, Vic.

Posted by: garrett at December 21, 2013 02:08 PM (4dwhV)

111 Saw a 2014 Corvette parked at a store in the neighborhood. From the side and rear it looks like a Camaro with a chopped top Posted by: kbdabear at December 21, 2013 05:48 PM (aTXUx) kbdabear, IÂ’ve noticed that quite a few cars have lost their signature designs. I have a 2012 BMW 535ix. I have had four cars since 1987, all BMWs. My previous one was a classic 1995 BMW 525i a and when I knew that car was going to start giving me problems after 15+ years, I started looking at other cars while on the roads. Jaguars used to be distinct, but when I found that my car was parked next to one at the garage where I work, I hat to really look at it. It didnÂ’t look like a Jag. I noticed that Mustangs have modernized but still look like Mustangs.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2013 02:09 PM (z4WKX)

112 110 You mean 63, Vic.

Posted by: garrett at December 21, 2013 06:08 PM (4dwhV)

IIANM the first split window coupe came out in 62 mid-year. But it doesn't matter whether its 62 or 63 they are both worth a shit ton of money now.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 21, 2013 02:13 PM (T2V/1)

113
I need to get back to my injector project soon--right after the salamander warms the garage again. No heat out there so it cools real fast. Cold everything is no treat to handle.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2013 02:20 PM (SAMxH)

114 Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 21, 2013 05:43 PM (XZNzU)

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I watched the video at your link. That was the best 26 minutes of my day.

I am second.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 21, 2013 02:21 PM (P6QsQ)

115 Carol i know what you mean......about cars losing the look.....i like the look of the new mustang & the new corvette...i'm in the market for a new car by next oct....maybe earlier...i went to the car show and wasn't really wowed by anything....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at December 21, 2013 02:23 PM (u8GsB)

116 Thanks, grammie winger. Some good folks posting over there. Glad that video lifted your day!

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 21, 2013 02:25 PM (XZNzU)

117
New cars have all the appeal of a tree stump. There's no denying that the engineering is excellent, but somewhere along the line Detroit engineered the visual appeal out of their products.

Cookiecutter styling.

The oldies at least were identifiable even among different models by the same manufacturer.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2013 02:28 PM (SAMxH)

118
101 <<< yeah, amazon has free shipping.

It does appear 63 was a good year for many cars.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2013 02:28 PM (MaP11)

119 sorry to sin with OT, but NDH, any update on Mr. Harrison? We sent a nice card and note down to Tri-State during the week when you posted. I hope he got hundreds of good wishes

Posted by: barbarausa at December 21, 2013 02:29 PM (WWeoI)

120 New cars have all the appeal of a tree stump. There's no denying that the engineering is excellent, but somewhere along the line Detroit engineered the visual appeal out of their products.

Cookiecutter styling.

Yup, so true. Cars, and particularly American cars, used to have such wonderful distinctive styling. Now they all look the same and about as exciting as boiled turnips.

Posted by: Peaches at December 21, 2013 02:30 PM (8lmkt)

121
Okay, back to work. See y'all on the ONT, maybe.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2013 02:33 PM (SAMxH)

122 sorry to sin with OT, but NDH, any update on Mr. Harrison? We sent a nice card and note down to Tri-State during the week when you posted. I hope he got hundreds of good wishes *** Yes! I emailed Bill Krzyk from Honor flight Myrtle Beach and asked for a bio on Mr. Harrison. He was kind enough to provide the bio and a pic of him. I can't do anything to change his condition, but I can make sure that several thousand people who pass through this blog on a daily basis know that he existed. I'll be putting up a post dedicated to him on Christmas day. Thank you for sending a card to him. I sent a letter and a little Christmas gift to him too.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2013 02:40 PM (DmNpO)

123 Well this is kinda flamy-skully to me, but Target has got 10% off almost everything until midnight tomorrow.

Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2013 02:41 PM (b7yum)

124 That used Nissan ad is very good but this one for a used K-car up here in America's Hat? Better! http://youtu.be/twkIdxgS0lo

Posted by: americashat at December 21, 2013 02:41 PM (iDMIp)

125 I wish instructional videos still employed announcers with that received pronunciation so beloved of Tom Servo.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 21, 2013 02:49 PM (QBm1P)

126 Thanks NDH! I was figuring if even one tenth of the folks who come here sent something, he'd be inundated with good things. looking forward to your Christmas post, and hope he enjoys his windfall immensely. Thank you for providing the opportunity to participate in that

Posted by: barbarausa at December 21, 2013 03:06 PM (WWeoI)

127 Posted by: Peaches at December 21, 2013 06:30 PM (8lmkt) It is a shame about the styles. Once you commit to aerodynamics, science is your designer, and there's only one answer.

Posted by: Meremortal, just for all at December 21, 2013 03:44 PM (1Y+hH)

128 Speaking of styling- I just finished up my re-work of a truck I picked up locally. I couldn't see fit to drop 20k plus on a truck; just seemed too much money for ANY vehicle; too many out there all look the same, too. Not that I haven't lusted for a nice Ford HD-outfitted on. Oh yes. But I went another route--- I bought a 1996 red GMC Sierra 1500 stepside (with the exposed fender look) that had a 5.7L/350 in it. Nothing too rad when I got it; paint was IMMACULATE, had 128k miles, and the interior was near mint looking. Paid 2k dollars for it. Drove it a while, thinking something was missing. Yep- some style. So, I went old-school on it. I started researching the look from 50's trucks, and went that route. After fixing the engine (had to re-do heads, ALL NEW INTAKE system, new dist/rotor/wires/etc, new fuel pump, and rebuilt transmission) it absolutely purrs. I put custom wood bed rails / stakes on the sides (drawing in the look of the old Lil' Red Truck/Warlocks from 70's Dodges), sold the wheels off and put on custom ralleye-style deep steel rims powder-coated white, then added 1953 GMC hub caps (look like baby moons) on those. Put on a roll-up tarp bed cover underneath. I went way better than I expected. The 20-inch chrome wheel/roller look seems SO out of place on trucks, let alone cars. I kept my wheels at 15'' diameter with deep off-sets and 8'' wide rims. The intake system on the 90s GM trucks really sucked (look up 'spyder' intake) but the engines were solid. People love the old-school look. A lot...

Posted by: Mr Wolf at December 21, 2013 05:38 PM (2kVH3)

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