April 11, 2013
— Ace The vote just ended. It now goes for a vote in the full Senate, where it will easily pass on the strength of the Democratic majority alone, nevermind the Republican fence-jumpers.
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Posted by: nodakdrunkhobo at April 11, 2013 07:38 AM (AvqN/)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at April 11, 2013 07:39 AM (9+ccr)
Satan has a special barbed head on his multi-faceted cock for Chuck Schumer.
Posted by: garrett at April 11, 2013 07:39 AM (QQgWr)
Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2013 07:39 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2013 07:39 AM (53z96)
May the Republicans, most especially Toomey, pay with their seats.
Posted by: Marcus at April 11, 2013 07:39 AM (LCLPS)
Posted by: 80sBaby at April 11, 2013 07:39 AM (YjDyJ)
All I want to know is how many more votes before the actual END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT happens.
Because I haven't yet packed a suitcase.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 11, 2013 07:40 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2013 07:40 AM (pZDxu)
Congrats Senate GOP you just aided me in understanding Bi-Partisanship....
I am backing your opponents sell outs.
Burn it down don't fucking let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 07:41 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: BurtTC at April 11, 2013 11:40 AM
Glad you're having fun snarking at the chipping away of our freedoms, bud.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 11, 2013 07:41 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2013 07:42 AM (pZDxu)
Tell you what Rico Suave you "stay the course" and the rest of us will skin the fucking sell outs.
We'll see who wins.
Spirit of '74
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 07:42 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: WalrusRex at April 11, 2013 07:42 AM (XUKZU)
They will suck.
LIB.
Posted by: DocJ at April 11, 2013 07:43 AM (A5uiv)
I am embracing John McCain's love of "bi partisan"
I am gonna financially back democrats against sell out GOP
Fuck you Mccain, and see you Pat
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 07:43 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2013 07:43 AM (u0Z3Y)
Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2013 07:43 AM (DL2i+)
May the Republicans, most especially Toomey, pay with their seats.
Posted by: Marcus at April 11, 2013 11:39 AM (LCLPS)
Exactly what the Dems hope...obama is going all out campaigning right now on our dime to flip the House to Dem.... As much as I hate this bill,just think what will happen if obama gets the House, Senate, Courts , and the presidency..... This bill will look like nothing compared to the full grab he will be able to do owning the entire Govt.....
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at April 11, 2013 07:44 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Gay Marriage at April 11, 2013 07:44 AM (jMvZ2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 07:44 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 11, 2013 07:44 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 11, 2013 07:44 AM (PH+2B)
Posted by: mugiwara at April 11, 2013 07:44 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: WalrusRex at April 11, 2013 07:44 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Gaff at April 11, 2013 11:43 AM ..................Their testicles descended into their Mangina's.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2013 07:44 AM (u0Z3Y)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 11, 2013 07:44 AM (epxV4)
I've thought about it - and pretty much come to the conclusion that it will be no different than what we have now.
LIB.
Posted by: DocJ at April 11, 2013 07:45 AM (A5uiv)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 11, 2013 07:46 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 11, 2013 07:46 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 07:46 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 11, .............Yes. I went the wrong direction their. LOL
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2013 07:46 AM (u0Z3Y)
Democrats offer their pet amendments
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Imagine what kind of 'pet' ammendments puffy-face might offer
Posted by: Jezza at April 11, 2013 07:46 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: Steven at April 11, 2013 07:47 AM (j7RN6)
Let it burn.
Posted by: H Badger at April 11, 2013 07:47 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: Heralder at April 11, 2013 07:47 AM (+xmn4)
Posted by: Harry Balczak at April 11, 2013 07:47 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 07:47 AM (tqLft)
All firearm sales come with a psychological comfort dog.
Posted by: EC at April 11, 2013 07:47 AM (GQ8sn)
This was a vote to allow debate and amendments, not the final cloture vote to end debate and move to an up or down vote on the bill.
And it should have been filibustered, too.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 11, 2013 07:48 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 07:48 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 07:48 AM (9Bj8R)
..........
Almost nothing.. it's for show.
People won't be able to legally purchase guns from private sellers without a background check. But, they'll do it anyway.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 11, 2013 07:49 AM (f9c2L)
No, you need to ask the Senate GOP to help.
They voted for cloture on abridging the 2d amendment today in the wake of the MO Highway Patrol illegally giving the Feds CCW lists.
I am embracing the RNC's love of politicians who love empowering democrats.
I am backing Pat Toomey's Democrat Opponent with a 100 dolar donation.
You guys let this gun control bill become law I am switching parties to the Democrats.
Regards,
***** ****** Age 40 Republican donor and volunteer since 1988
In the end it is neither success nor failure but the struggle itself that grants us our dignity and honor...
Fuck 'em let it burn
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 07:49 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mainah at April 11, 2013 07:49 AM (659DL)
I missed most of the discussion on this bill. Can someone please update me with a small summary of what this means, legislatively?
Pretty sure this is the "universal background check" (AKA- Universal Gun Registration) bill.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 11, 2013 07:49 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 11:48 AM (9Bj8R)
I thought I heard a "boy" in that...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at April 11, 2013 07:50 AM (yh0zB)
51 -
I can tell you are angry, but the fact that you can't tell the difference between me and your enemy suggests you aren't using your anger to help you think rationally.
All I have EVER said is I don't think this bill is the end of the world as we know it, as some of you have decided it is. If that gets me branded a heretic in your eyes, and your verdict is to walk me to the ovens, well that says a LOT more about you than it does me.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 11, 2013 07:50 AM (TOk1P)
How long are we going to put up with this from the GOP?
Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 11, 2013 07:50 AM (qmOgr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 07:51 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Total American at April 11, 2013 07:51 AM (GwFSs)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 07:51 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: joncelli at April 11, 2013 07:51 AM (RD7QR)
"Almost nothing.. it's for show.
People won't be able to legally purchase guns from private sellers without a background check. But, they'll do it anyway."
HEY! That actually makes sense. WTF?
Posted by: Jaws at April 11, 2013 07:51 AM (4I3Uo)
***
I recently read a thriller set in ancient Rome entitled Search the Seven Hills. I am sometimes amazed at where wisdom can be found. In this hack novel, one of the characters says, "Despair is so much easier easy than hope."
Posted by: WalrusRex at April 11, 2013 07:52 AM (XUKZU)
Born July 1076 Died April 2013
RIP
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 11, 2013 11:50 AM (Kpn/z)
Oh now, don't be like that. We have several more centuries of empire before the final collapse...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at April 11, 2013 07:52 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 11, 2013 07:52 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2013 07:52 AM (u0Z3Y)
Born July 1076 Died April 2013
RIP
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 11, 2013 11:50 AM (Kpn/z)
Ehhhh... than what about the A.W. ban of the Nineties?
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2013 07:52 AM (UypUQ)
Actually, there's an argument to be made that their balls were already retracted, so descending into the manginal region could be physically possible. Will need to defer to one of the healthcare 'rons about that.
Posted by: jakeman at April 11, 2013 07:52 AM (96M6e)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 11, 2013 07:52 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 07:52 AM (9Bj8R)
Why do you think I just sent the Indiana RNC asking me for a 1000 buck a plate Rubber Chicken pop a go fuck yourself?
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 07:53 AM (LRFds)
I'm tired of being sick and tired you guys
Posted by: Yip
Comrade! The beatings will continue until morale improves!
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 11, 2013 07:53 AM (BrQrN)
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Thanks for the laugh, amigo. I needed that. Go up to comment "72" for your answer and plan accordingly.
Posted by: DocJ at April 11, 2013 07:54 AM (A5uiv)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 07:54 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 07:55 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at April 11, 2013 07:55 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 11, 2013 07:55 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 11, 2013 07:55 AM (evdj2)
Can a conservative get a filibuster in here? Paging Senators Lee, Rubio, and Paul to the well of the Senate.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at April 11, 2013 07:55 AM (FqcJu)
Posted by: joncelli at April 11, 2013 11:51 AM (RD7QR)
I trust Boehner to hold strong right up until Bloomburg runs ads calling him an obstructionist. So we're fucked by noon tomorrow.
Posted by: mugiwara at April 11, 2013 07:55 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: jakeman at April 11, 2013 11:52 AM ...............I wonder if the corrective surgery to fix that would be covered under Owebama care? Oh wait, that's right, they aren't reduced to having coverage like the little people. Of course they'd have to find their balls first so it's probably a moot point.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2013 07:56 AM (u0Z3Y)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 11, 2013 07:56 AM (/kI1Q)
Where do you draw a line?
At what point has it gone too far?
When is a betrayal enough to sever the connection?
This is what they count on. It's called incrementalism and it moves very slowly and only a little bit at a time.
It's like in chemistry. A supersaturated solution remains in the liquid state far beyond the normal by adding tiny incremental amounts under special conditions to allow the addition.
However there always is a final point beyond which no more solute can be added. The solution then flashes over to the saturated state and can be explosive and/or inflammatory.
Do we really want to see that happen? Is that what will be required?
Is that what all the fence sitters need?
Some Blood?
It's coming but when it flashes, many will be swept away and the conflagration will be out of control.
Have fun.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 11, 2013 07:56 AM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 11, 2013 07:56 AM (XYSwB)
I can tell you are angry, but the fact that you can't tell the difference between me and your enemy suggests you aren't using your anger to help you think rationally.
All I have EVER said is I don't think this bill is the end of the world as we know it, as some of you have decided it is. If that gets me branded a heretic in your eyes, and your verdict is to walk me to the ovens, well that says a LOT more about you than it does me.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 11, 2013 11:50 AM (TOk1P)
Two things:
1) It's an unenforceable law. And those are never good because it leads us further down the path described in the book "Three Felonies a day." These laws will get selectively enforced as a way of punishing people.
2) That doctor clause is more than slightly disturbing on multiple levels. Imagine if a doctor could do that for anything else! Hell even revoking someone's driver's license for medical reasons is (as I understand it) harder than this. (For starters I'm pretty sure there's a defined list of things that trigger it.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 11, 2013 07:56 AM (qyQU6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 07:56 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 11, 2013 07:57 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Matt at April 11, 2013 07:57 AM (kLDIE)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 07:57 AM (tqLft)
January – The German bishops who have been invested by Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor withdraw their allegiance from Pope Gregory VII.
February 14 – Pope Gregory VII excommunicates Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor.
October 8 – King Dmitar Zvonimir of Croatia was crowned in Solin near Split, by a representative of Pope Gregory VII.
1 November – In England a frost begins that lasts until April 1077.[1]
December 25 – Polish King Bolesław II the Bold (Polish: Bolesław Śmiały) is crowned in Gniezno.
Anselm of Canterbury completes Monologion.
The Almoravids capture the Ghanaian capital of Kumbi.
Count Dirk V reconquers most of West Frisia (historical) from the bishop of Utrecht.
The Trial of Penenden Heath is thought to have been held, with an important ruling regarding land rights subsequent to the Norman Conquest of England.
Dmitar Zvonimir of Croatia donated the town of Vrana and Benedictine monastery of St. Gregory, as a sign of loyalty to Pope Gregory VII.
Vikramaditya VI deposes his older brother Somesvara II, and becomes king of the Western Chalukya.
Lý dynasty Vietnamese troops hold invading Song Dynasty Chinese forces at the Battle of Như Nguyệt River and a truce is concluded.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2013 07:57 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 11, 2013 11:55 AM (evdj2)
I'm not concerned about how their chains rest upon them. I'm concerned about how they intend for their fucking chains to rest upon ME.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at April 11, 2013 07:57 AM (yh0zB)
The Burning Time - make it so.
Posted by: DocJ at April 11, 2013 07:57 AM (A5uiv)
88 -
I've been coming here for years, dude. Longer than most. I'll be here long after you've gone.
Tell you what. A year from now... make it six months if you like. Let's revisit this discussion. If this bill either A, hasn't passed, or B, done what you say it will, will you admit you were wrong?
If it does, I will. Guarantee it.
So hate me if you want, but I'm trying to be reasonable. Are you?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 11, 2013 07:57 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 07:58 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2013 07:58 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 11, 2013 07:58 AM (qmOgr)
Posted by: J. Moses Browning at April 11, 2013 07:58 AM (z9761)
Posted by: Bomber at April 11, 2013 07:58 AM (AkdCZ)
Posted by: I'm Confused, But Not Really at April 11, 2013 07:58 AM (HINxj)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 11:51 AM (tqLft)
So it's one of those trojan horses. Lovely.
I'll get the second round.
Posted by: Heralder at April 11, 2013 07:58 AM (+xmn4)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at April 11, 2013 07:58 AM (Yx9if)
You know the funny thing is that its not really despair that I'm feeling...frankly I'm feeling nothing. I'm positioning myself to be as free as will be possible right now (little debt, stockpiles of a variety of necessary things, etc) with the full realization that sooner or later this mess is going to blow up and then its time for emotions to get involved.
Then we find out how bad the people that govern and live off those of us that are the real backbone of this country really want it.
The threat to mortality has a tendency to put the lazy and abusers of power back where they belong.
Posted by: H Badger at April 11, 2013 07:59 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: redguy at April 11, 2013 07:59 AM (oqvI4)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 11, 2013 07:59 AM (F3G1y)
pub senators thought it would be improper to filibuster
who does that sound like? Who didn't like Rand Paul's filibuster cause it took attention away from him?
I am looking at you McCain
Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 07:59 AM (+afNf)
I read somewhere that these Repubes & Dems were negotiating this over meetings including pizza & beer somewhere, at a swank rooftop party shindig, on board a yacht called the 'Black Tie", etc.
They must of all had a back slapping great laugh at all of us rubes for actually believing that we have representation in Congress.
I have no party anymore. I am a conservative and that is all.
Posted by: Cheri at April 11, 2013 07:59 AM (G+Wff)
what this is...look it works in stages and i mean no disrrespect I am angry but here's what happened...
1) event
2) PANIC WE MUST DO SOMETHING!
3) public says "fuck you stop"
3) Pat toomey gets coke and a blowjob (allegedly) on manchin's yacht
4) "we have a deal'
5) no concrete details for public perusal we vote to consider an unwritten bill today
6) Schumer starts rengeing on the deal toomey thought he heard
7) this passes the senate
the House either says 'fuck you" or caves9) we lose more liberty
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 07:59 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Vice Mayor slatz at April 11, 2013 07:59 AM (mE0Rl)
Posted by: [/i]akula51 at April 11, 2013 07:59 AM (Vgn84)
May 2011. I just just a bit ahead of the AoSHQ curve.
Posted by: DocJ at April 11, 2013 08:00 AM (A5uiv)
Posted by: redguy at April 11, 2013 08:01 AM (oqvI4)
Posted by: irright at April 11, 2013 08:01 AM (pMGkg)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 11, 2013 08:01 AM (fMiHM)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 11, 2013 11:59 AM (F3G1y)
<.<
Posted by: GGE, USN (Ret) at April 11, 2013 08:01 AM (yh0zB)
Do you not understand that, whatever this law is, it constitutes an illegal procedure to amend the Constitution of the United States? That alone is reason enough to kill this thing.
I'm wasting pixels. Please just go somewhere.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
***
Burt is being a troll. He's also shown himself to be just like the left- very in love with himself and thinking he is superior to others in intelligence and emotional maturity.
Wonder what he and the others will say when proven wrong.
I have followed this issue for 30 years. This is a Trojan horse. Burt, Jwest, and Chi-Town jerry were like the idiots who insisted no harm could come from bringing the giant wooden horse inside the gates.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 11, 2013 08:02 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: [/i]akula51 at April 11, 2013 08:02 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: Mindy is about to be provoked into hosting a potluck at April 11, 2013 08:02 AM (wk9P4)
Does anyone know how the State of New York got the pharmaceutical lists so quickly [so as to notify the SSRI-users that guns were now verboten]?
Did they find judges to issue subpoenas to Walgreen's, CVS, Target, Walmart, etc?
Or was the data already present in some sort of a database the existence of which we were not aware of until now?
Posted by: Zombie Shane at April 11, 2013 08:03 AM (VZwO2)
Posted by: redguy at April 11, 2013 12:01 PM (oqvI4)
*coffcoff* Obamacare
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 11, 2013 08:03 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Sean Bannion, USA (Ret) at April 11, 2013 08:03 AM (F3G1y)
Posted by: tsrblke
.........
I don't see that clause in the summary that was posted in a link above..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 11, 2013 08:04 AM (f9c2L)
Is there a joke or business opportunity putting a gun show on barge?
Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2013 08:04 AM (DL2i+)
January 2013 for me.
It's frustrating waiting for people to catch up.
Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 11, 2013 08:04 AM (qmOgr)
Already did it, went to the American Conservative Party. Link in sig.
Posted by: Country Singer at April 11, 2013 08:04 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 08:05 AM (tqLft)
Ah, NOW I see the problem...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 11, 2013 08:05 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Mindy is about to be provoked into hosting a potluck at April 11, 2013 08:05 AM (wk9P4)
Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 11, 2013 11:58 AM ....................I decided a little while back that I am done. Keep in mind I will support actual conservative candidates. I will never ever ever vote for a RINo Squish again. I held my nose with Juan McLame and Mittens. Fuck that. I am tired of voting for them because they are just a little less shitty than the other guy. No way. And in now way shape or form will I give another dime to the RNC. No more Dem Lite. They can do it on their own without me. Yet, watch, their idea is that we need to be more "moderate" to attract swing voters. Well McLame and Mittens are as moderate as you can get and we still got our asses habded to us. If there's no difference between parties anymore who cares?
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2013 08:05 AM (u0Z3Y)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 08:05 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2013 08:06 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 08:06 AM (+afNf)
Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2013 12:04 PM (DL2i+)
Gun show on a barge, eh? Just outside of the international limit? I like the way you think...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 11, 2013 08:06 AM (yh0zB)
I just didn't think it would be the Republican Party.
What is scaring me is that all this stuff has a whiff of inevitability.
As if it was fore ordained to happen and nothing can stop it's progress.
If so, that's scarey shit right there.
Every time we think it can't get worse, it does.
AND THEY WON'T FIGHT IT!!
That's what is making me mad. They're going along with all this as if the people don't matter. It's like they've all been given a script and told to follow it "or else" (and some don't need the "or else").
We're past the point of no return. All we can do now is try to mitigate the personal damage.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 11, 2013 08:06 AM (Kpn/z)
I read somewhere that these Repubes Dems were negotiating this over meetings including pizza beer somewhere, at a swank rooftop party shindig, on board a yacht called the 'Black Tie", etc.
Well lets have pizza and beer when we hang these traitors from lamp posts.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at April 11, 2013 08:06 AM (rXcBX)
Posted by: I'm Confused, But Not Really at April 11, 2013 08:06 AM (gC30A)
Posted by: rickl at April 11, 2013 08:06 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: BurtTC
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Umm, no you are not. You are being an arrogant and ignorant fool who is breaking his arm patting himself on the back.
You should know better about this sort of thing, but your ego has gotten in the way.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 11, 2013 08:07 AM (uhftQ)
nonsensical.
Posted by: willow at April 11, 2013 08:07 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 08:07 AM (9Bj8R)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/cayesex
1974 Senate races
http://preview.tinyurl.com/cvtnvhw
1974 house races
If the democrats are gonna run the country, they are not gonna do it with republicans helping them with my money...
I'll buy democrats.
Spirit of '74 baby
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:07 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 08:08 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: BurtTC
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You have no idea what is in the bill, so why do you keep saying this?
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 08:08 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: redguy at April 11, 2013 08:08 AM (oqvI4)
Posted by: BurtTC at April 11, 2013 11:50 AM
You don't think the bill is the end of the world?
So that means you've actually read it?
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 11, 2013 08:08 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 11, 2013 08:08 AM (epxV4)
Weak tea fillibuster. Why, this tea is nearly clear!
It's like the GOP Senators ARE under Jedi mind control tricks.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 11, 2013 08:08 AM (BAS5M)
Libertarians should go to the Libertarian Party. Conservatives should go to the Constitution Party.
The stuff people are afraid of having happen if the Dems get more power are going to happen anyway. The GOP slows things down, but doesn't change our trajectory. The LP and CP and the philosophies they represent should be built up during the interim, so there's a coherent challenge to the Democrat Party ten or twenty years down the road.
Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 11, 2013 08:08 AM (qmOgr)
Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2013 08:08 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 08:09 AM (+afNf)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 11, 2013 08:09 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: redguy at April 11, 2013 08:09 AM (oqvI4)
Posted by: redguy at April 11, 2013 12:08 PM (oqvI4)
Keep an eye out. At this rate USNS Mercy and USNS Comfort will be on the auction block any time now...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 11, 2013 08:09 AM (yh0zB)
they mentioned in the press conference I thought. I was watching 3 things at once though so perhaps I misheard.
I defer to someone else in the horde who has more time to skim the entire bill. (but making it "easier" for doctors to flag people has been a big thing this whole time, I'd be stunned if it were suddenly cut.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 11, 2013 08:10 AM (qyQU6)
Burt is being a troll. He's also shown himself to be just like the left
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Yeah he is.
What is even funnier is him suggesting he would admit that he was wrong or something.
He's already been wrong, yet no admission has come about.
He's a silly troll.
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 08:10 AM (3LaGb)
Carnival cruises will convert to Healthcare CruisesÂ…..won't be any worse than the Obamacare hospitalsÂ….
Posted by: redguy at April 11, 2013 12:08 PM (oqvI4)
you mean that cruise ship company that makes everyone sick?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 11, 2013 12:09 PM (GVxQo)
A winning business plan!
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 11, 2013 08:10 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 08:10 AM (9Bj8R)
@jamiedupree Today's vote was simply to end debate on the "Motion to Proceed" to the underlying gun bill
@jamiedupree For those asking, no - we have not seen legislative text yet on the Manchin/Toomey amendment or any others
Posted by: 80sBaby at April 11, 2013 08:10 AM (YjDyJ)
So how did the State of New York get the lists to cross-reference the SSRI users and the gun users?
Someone had to have given the information.
Do we know anything about how this happened?!?
Posted by: Zombie Shane at April 11, 2013 08:10 AM (VZwO2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 08:10 AM (tqLft)
sorta....
Reagan happened in part because of '74 and '76
we got slaughtered in both
Time to mercy kill the current GOP
J "kevorkian" West approves
Fuck you RNC I am not empowering you to empower Reach Around Across the Aisle anymore.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:10 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: redguy at April 11, 2013 08:11 AM (oqvI4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 08:11 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 08:11 AM (Cnqmv)
By the way this:
All I have EVER said is I don't think this bill is the end of the world as we know it,
===============
Is typical troll behavior because it allows silly little Burt to pretend he's being "reasonable" in swatting down something nobody is saying.
Burt be dumb.
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 08:11 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: NotCoach at April 11, 2013 08:11 AM (jU7Af)
Posted by: [/i]akula51 at April 11, 2013 08:11 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2013 12:10 PM (tqLft)
It's funny how much stuff falls off the backs of trucks...you'd think they would put big doors back there or something...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: WalrusRex at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (Yq4LC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (+afNf)
Posted by: 80sBaby at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Fritz at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (UzPAd)
You could shoot skeet right off the decks with naked babes by your sideÂ…..
There are already fishing charters where you can do this.
What happens in international waters stays in international waters.
Posted by: EC at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (F3G1y)
Here are the turncoats:
Alexander
Ayotte
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Heller
Hoeven
Isakson
Kirk
McCain
Toomey
Wicker
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: Mindy is about to be provoked into hosting a potluck at April 11, 2013 08:12 AM (wk9P4)
Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2013 08:13 AM (fWAjv)
and I don't give a shit because I absolutely do not trust the Senate GOP period end stop...
hey guess what I get 1000 buck a plate rubber chicken inviotes because silly ass me has gone to a few.
I'm done.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:13 AM (LRFds)
Can i just add mho that we are even entertaining a bill is an abrogation of the duty of the Leadership left or right to secure constitutional rights?
WHY is this even on the drawing board!
srsly , explain to me the fact that ALL reps in Govt are supposed to pledge
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States."
yet Here We are.
Posted by: willow at April 11, 2013 08:13 AM (nqBYe)
Don't they exist anymore pretty much to provide free shit to Third World kleptocracies? Can't possibly cut that spending.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 11, 2013 08:14 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 11, 2013 08:14 AM (9priM)
Posted by: willow at April 11, 2013 08:14 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Roy at April 11, 2013 08:15 AM (VndSC)
This is serious fucking gold. Someone needs to get LaPierre working on this immediately.
Don't forget to register for this summer's special event: pirate hunting off the Horn of Africa! Test fire your new purchases on the hulls of pirate vessels. Have you seen what M196 tracers do to wooden boats? Also, be sure to enter our drawing for our winter cruise into the antarctic to go hunt for the Sea Shepherd!!!
Posted by: EC at April 11, 2013 08:15 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2013 08:15 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 11, 2013 12:12 PM (8sCoq)
http://youtu.be/-RtJ4hy-GrM
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 11, 2013 08:15 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 11:59 AM (+afNf)
McRINO is still trying to win over the dumbfucks who are still mad at him for running against the JEF even though it should be obvious that his nerf-ball campaign was just another kick in the nads to conservatives and a gift to his "friends". Plus after his unconstitutional campaign finance bill got tossed in the shitter by the Supremes, this is his chance to be in on another shredding of the rights that he's sworn to protect. I wish Palin would admit that it was really really dumb to campaign for that senile pile of shit.
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2013 08:16 AM (WRskJ)
Posted by: [/i]akula51 at April 11, 2013 08:16 AM (Vgn84)
Spirit of '74 baby....
Nuke 'em
What we need to do is start running Oppo Intel on our own party too....
reverse engineer the webs and then when assholes as the aforementioned strike start punishing the whole web.
John McCain I am gonna make you a fucking Hydra cloak buddy
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:16 AM (LRFds)
I was just working the shortcut on the boating accident for a joke.
Please stick to shallow < 10 foot or deep > 50 feet water so I don't spend an evening bottom Walleye fishing your tragic loss.
Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2013 08:17 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 08:17 AM (+afNf)
― Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: willow at April 11, 2013 08:17 AM (nqBYe)
Most of them are the rich. They want to stop anyone else from joining them.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 11, 2013 08:17 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 11, 2013 08:17 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Roy at April 11, 2013 08:17 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 08:18 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2013 08:18 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2013 12:17 PM (DL2i+)
Cause snags suck, got it. 
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 11, 2013 08:18 AM (yh0zB)
and I'll send 100 dollars to the senator who does that....
"in the spirit of our esteemed Resident Super Genius Chuck Schumer on Voting and Drivers' Licenses I move to exempt undocumented Americans from following this law."
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:19 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 08:19 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 11, 2013 12:17 PM (/kI1Q)
Exactly; Howard Metzenbaum, having amassed wealth by turning productive property into parking lots, was determined that nobody else would have the opportunity to better themselves.
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2013 08:19 AM (WRskJ)
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2013 08:19 AM (u0Z3Y)
Posted by: massideas at April 11, 2013 08:20 AM (v32fM)
.........
There are no computer databases created as part of this law. Where do you get this shit?
Nothing as far as recordkeeping goes changes except private transfers have a paper record at the FFL place of business.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 11, 2013 08:20 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 11, 2013 08:20 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: DangerGirl at April 11, 2013 08:20 AM (Ryac4)
Posted by: Roy at April 11, 2013 08:20 AM (VndSC)
― Stanley Victor Paskavich, Return to Stantasyland
lol. true.
Posted by: willow at April 11, 2013 08:21 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Mindy is about to be provoked into hosting a potluck at April 11, 2013 08:21 AM (wk9P4)
yeah Drew we really showed 'em today...
our Senate GOP did a man's work on defending the 2d amendment today....
I would join Luap Nor if they would shed the batshit ZOG crazy
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:21 AM (LRFds)
Well. A bunch of squishy fucks in DC. A winter storm with a foot of global fucking warming today here at home. Eff it. I'm out, time to go for a liquid lunch.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2013 08:21 AM (u0Z3Y)
Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2013 08:22 AM (r2PLg)
I like the cruise ship thing. Buy out the poorly run Carnival Cruises, have them leave from Galveston (TX being gun friendly), let them dork around the Carribean gambling and shopping duty free, and buying and shooting guns. A cash cow. Be the only cruise line to make money
Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 08:22 AM (+afNf)
Posted by: The Generic, Award Winning Moron at April 11, 2013 08:22 AM (+I8Mq)
91Damn, now I wish all my guns hadn't been lost in that tragic boating accident...
---
This was no boating accident
Posted by: Matt Hooper at April 11, 2013 08:22 AM (SO2Q8)
I wonder if folks(us) are thinking this through. Joking about losing a firearm on a fishing trip is cute here. Good luck using that with the IRS. At this point, if you don't have anything paper-free...you don't have anything.
Posted by: Tantorius Maximus at April 11, 2013 08:22 AM (uOc9E)
Spirit of '74 baby....
if they are gonna vote democrat I am gonna back the democrat
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:22 AM (LRFds)
Out of cookies and beer?
You think too much of your personal information is accessible on Facebook, you have no idea how much Uncle knows about you.
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 12:18 PM (Cnqmv)
The bulwark against this is that it takes people to look through all that data. A good search engine helps, but it isn't magical. There are 300 million people in the US, and the .gov does do things other than monitor its own citizens, so if you haven't come to someones attention you are probably OK. If, however, for some reason you do become the object of someones undivided attention they can indeed find out a lot about you.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 11, 2013 08:22 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 11, 2013 08:23 AM (9priM)
"Boehner will stop it in the House."
"The Maginot Line will stop the German advance."
"Well, now, uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, wait until nightfall, and then leap out of the rabbit, taking the French by surprise - not only by surprise, but totally unarmed!"
Winning Strategies through Time
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 11, 2013 08:23 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 11, 2013 12:20 PM (f9c2L)
Exactly. Just like state records of concealed carry permits are never turned over.
What? Missouri? What about......oh.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 11, 2013 08:24 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 11, 2013 08:24 AM (8sCoq)
"In seeking to 'control' guns, the left has essentially ensured that every US citizen is now armed to the teeth. Well done."
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 08:24 AM (x3YFz)
Biden: Gun Owners ‘Like The Way It Feels…Like Driving a Ferrari’
http://tinyurl.com/d4dvs2k
He argued that smaller clips would have saved lives in the December massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
“If there had only been ten bullets in each clip, [the shooter] would have had to change the clip an additional three to five times. One of those kids would be alive. Somebody would be alive,” he said.
“What is the inconvenience? What are we doing? What are we doing to impact on a gun owners’ right if he only has a clip with ten rounds in it instead of 30 rounds in it?” he asked.
Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2013 08:24 AM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 11, 2013 08:24 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 08:25 AM (9Bj8R)
“Your post about Missouri secretly sharing CCW information ;;highlights a core problem with restrictions on what government can and can’t do. As the background check proposals in Congress would at least theoretically make it possible to create gun registration, we don’t simply need a law prohibiting doing so; Republicans should propose an amendment that makes creation or assistance in the creation of such a registry a felony under federal law, with mandatory prison time and loss of sovereign immunity. If all the Democrats want is background checks, surely they wouldn’t object.”
Yes, there should be criminal liability, and also civil liability, with each affected person entitled to recover minimum damages of, say, $10,000 plus attorneyÂ’s fees and with sovereign immunity waived.
Posted by: willow at April 11, 2013 08:25 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 11, 2013 08:25 AM (xAtAj)
And lose all the money that her PAC is getting? Yeah, right! Her consultants are better than yours!
Posted by: Shoot Me at April 11, 2013 08:25 AM (qiXMt)
This. Too many of you have a hair trigger on your kneejerk instinct. It's too early to get one's undergarments in a twist.
It's entirely possible that this thing gets amended to death, and could very well end up hurting red state Dems while going nowhere.
Chess, not checkers.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 08:25 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 11, 2013 08:26 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 12:24 PM (x3YFz)
70+ million background checks run since Feb 1, 2009. Roughly 32 per minute.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 11, 2013 08:26 AM (da5Wo)
How hard would it be for dems to cross-index voter registration and patient rolls for a particular doctor? Not hard at all, because Obamacare will have the records of patients.
So some bureaucrat makes up a list and shows up at the docs office.
"These are people who are your patients who are members of potentially dangerous extremist groups. Submit their names to the no guns list to protect yourself. Because if any one of these people commits a gun crime, we will hold you liable."
Posted by: Miss Marple at April 11, 2013 08:27 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2013 08:27 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 08:27 AM (+afNf)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 11, 2013 12:20 PM (f9c2L)
just the tip, check's in the mail, never mind that funny taste in your mouth...
This was no boating accident
Posted by: Matt Hooper at April 11, 2013 12:22 PM (SO2Q
Shouldn't the shark be squeezing you out about now?
At this point, if you don't have anything paper-free...you don't have anything.
Posted by: Tantorius Maximus at April 11, 2013 12:22 PM (uOc9E)
I have no guns, but I do have a few pictures of some.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 11, 2013 08:27 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: maddogg at April 11, 2013 08:28 AM (OlN4e)
You want to get into a lecture contest on the way the mechanism works?
I did fairly well at that in 7 contests for the American legion, I'm game....
let's not quibble htis is an assault on the 2d amendment by a group coyly saying "we want all the guns."
The way you stop things is...I know this is a radical idea, by stopping them.
I trust the Senate GOP as much as I trust Schumer...actually less.
I know Schumer will always be my asshole enemy....
I get to play whack a mole with the GOP
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:28 AM (LRFds)
It is plain as day already written .
Posted by: willow at April 11, 2013 08:28 AM (nqBYe)
Further thoughts on the doc item:
How hard would it be for dems to cross-index voter registration and patient rolls for a particular doctor? Not hard at all, because Obamacare will have the records of patients.
So some bureaucrat makes up a list and shows up at the docs office.
"These are people who are your patients who are members of potentially dangerous extremist groups. Submit their names to the no guns list to protect yourself. Because if any one of these people commits a gun crime, we will hold you liable."
Ms Marple is right. She said it better than I did. Its the same thing the Soviets did.
Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 08:29 AM (+afNf)
Posted by: Yip at April 11, 2013 08:30 AM (/jHWN)
Posted by: Miss Marple at April 11, 2013 12:27 PM (GoIUi)
i wonder if we will have an obligatory yearly check up. Preventive medicine as it were.
Posted by: willow at April 11, 2013 08:30 AM (nqBYe)
I would love a truly mocking fax - drawn up by Ace and the horde - to send to the Repubs. Words or phrases including "in your mouth" should be used at least once.
Every single one of them should be derided endlessly for voting on a bill that hasn't even been written. Mother. Fuckers.
Posted by: stupid is as stupid does at April 11, 2013 08:30 AM (Cjcon)
Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2013 08:30 AM (r2PLg)
You are not going far enough.
A GOP politician votes against the Bill of Rights he is gone.
Gone, not just "we'll try to primary him/her" gone.
As in "I hate sending money to your democrat opponent but fuck you" gone.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:31 AM (LRFds)
Chess, not checkers.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 12:25 PM
This rant isn't really directed at you, but if I hear that motherfucking condescending phrase one more motherfucking time I'm going off the rails.
The GOP SUCKS AT CHESS! We keep hearing about thinking three moves ahead of our opponents, about the bend-don't-break defense...and yet, somehow, liberals keep getting what they want. Maybe the better metaphor is that the GOP is trying to be too clever by half. Are we sure the liberals are actually playing chess too???
We OUGHT to be playing checkers. It's easy. If you're against a bill, vote NO every motherfucking time you can, whether it's to bring the bill to the floor, take it up for consideration, stop considering it, or whatever.
As far as I'm concerned, if you vote in the Aye for anything having to do wtih advancing this bill along the way, without even reading it for motherfucker's sake, you're a turncoat and are part of the problem. And if you're someone who keeps saying "hey, it isn't the end of the world" (and I'm looking at you, Burt), you are also part of the problem.
If a GOPer can't stand on principle on this one thing, this one easy slam dunk thing that's been a wedge issue on the left for the past 60 years, then they can't stand on anything. They don't deserve the support of conservatives any longer.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 11, 2013 08:32 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 11, 2013 08:33 AM (9priM)
" I wish Palin would admit that it was really really dumb to campaign for that senile pile of shit."
Also Jeff Flake. Douche.
Posted by: stupid is as stupid does at April 11, 2013 08:33 AM (Cjcon)
Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Flake (R-AZ)
Graham (R-SC)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kirk (R-IL)
McCain (R-AZ)
Toomey (R-PA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 11, 2013 08:33 AM (epxV4)
dead on....
it is condenscending and it is not how Mule Ass plays the game....their nuts got everything they wanted by shitting themselves and annihalating their moderates...
game on America if that is the game, game on....
Spirit of '74 Mr Tant....
"Patsy I am backing your opponent I want the full donkey i guess."
Game the fuck on
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:35 AM (LRFds)
Tom Coburn is a traitor along with Flake. 5 GOP southern Senators voted for cloture.
WTF???? Not another dime
Posted by: jackj at April 11, 2013 08:35 AM (4WesI)
Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2013 08:35 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 11, 2013 08:36 AM (L8r/r)
Over/Under on Hollowpoint making the same lame arguments on Spetember 2, 1939?
"It's too early to get one's undergarments in a twist.
It's entirely possible that this blitzkrieg thing gets amended to death bogged down, and could very well end up hurting red state Dems National Socialists while going nowhere.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 11, 2013 08:36 AM (BAS5M)
Ummm, quick point, I don't think that its gonna pass just yet, regardless of the dem majority.
the fucking language of the bill hasn't even been disclosed.
this one is far from done. If drones get you wet, imagine how much guns are going to do.
Posted by: Prescient11 at April 11, 2013 08:36 AM (tVTLU)
and that is why i will be donating to the most ethnic, female, batshit crazy liberal I can in the Donk primary....
He is done.
You lose Pat the next moneybombs are not to you, they are aimed at you.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:36 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: jackj at April 11, 2013 08:36 AM (4WesI)
Witnesses: David Gregory Throws Fit Over Charity-Event Parking: 'I Know All the Politicians In Town'
http://tinyurl.com/cdtvemm
Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2013 08:37 AM (mCvL4)
Bold Prediction. Kirk will switch parties along with Toomey soon
Posted by: jackj at April 11, 2013 08:38 AM (4WesI)
Posted by: Really Fat Guy at April 11, 2013 08:38 AM (Je/il)
It's entirely possible that this thing gets amended to death, and could very well end up hurting red state Dems while going nowhere.
Chess, not checkers.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 12:25 PM (SY2Kh)
Sorry, Hollowpoint. I'm done with playing "chess." My so-called representatives in DC have shown one too many times that they have no spine to stand up and STOP these things. This should never have gotten out of committee. This should never have come to cloture. I don't personally give a rat's ass what MAY make things hard for red state Dems, or what MAY make some people stand up and say, "Hey now, wait a second. Why are we doing this?" I. Don't. Care. About. Those. People. They can take a flying fuck off a cliff for all I care about them, because if they're not paying attention now they're too stupid to live.
Fuck this. Die on this g-ddamn hill, Republicans, and I might consider telling my grandchildren that you were once a party worth voting for. I'm not saying I'll vote for you; you've still got to prove yourselves to me before I'm ever doing THAT again. I'm just saying that I might not curse your name to the Seven Hells for the rest of eternity if you grow a little backbone and breathe a little fucking fire.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2013 08:39 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 08:39 AM (Cnqmv)
I don't see this going anywhere, and gun control is one of those issues that Red State Democrats are going to get slaughtered on. I can easily see the Democrats losing 5 Senators in the next election over this issue alone.
I'd much rather have the Senate focused on this debate than Amnesty.
Posted by: McAdams at April 11, 2013 08:40 AM (8ghqd)
Are people being blackmailed and threatened?
I want to know this and I am going to keep asking. Maybe someone will post an anonymous comment and give us a clue. I simply cannot believe that we have this many people who will throw constitutional rights away for political opportunism, particularly when it is going to cause them to have primary challenges.
Are family members being threatened? Do people have criminal evidence against these people? What is going on?
Posted by: Miss Marple at April 11, 2013 08:40 AM (GoIUi)
if this SEnate followed tradition and published details yes I'd agree....
if you think Amnesty is not moving because Reid is getting what he wants on guns you got another thing coming.
You heard it here first...
Rand Paul is the one who fucks us on Amnesty.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:41 AM (LRFds)
I trust the Senate GOP as much as I trust Schumer...actually less.
I know Schumer will always be my asshole enemy....
I get to play whack a mole with the GOP
This isn't an instance where cloture inevitably results in the bill passing.
They still have the opportunity to stop them. The 60 vote threshold is still in play, giving cover to Republicans who voted for cloture- they'll be able to say they were open to a "reasonable" bill, but had to vote it down because it ended up too extreme.
Meanwhile, the likes of Manchin are faced with a choice of voting against their own bill, or being tagged as anti-gun come election day.
Politics is politics. As distasteful as the gamesmanship might look, it's a necessary evil. "Principle" gets nowhere, and voters are to blame for that.
If anybody should be sweating right now, it's the likes of Reid, Manchin and other Dems who stand to lose their high NRA ratings.
If the GOP really does cave, have at 'em, but they haven't yet. However, this meme that the GOP boogeyman is determined to screw the base is bordering on paranoia.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 08:42 AM (SY2Kh)
Yeah I've heard that song before...
oh that's right Bitch McC sang in on Ogabecare...
no HP no more Chess stop shit or die.
The thing is I am almsot in the "stop shit I'll end your career anyway" with several GOP politicians...
the is the Rubicon they are eying and I am not kidding about the spirit of '74 if I can't get a single win the traditional way I may start playing a new game and get my wins with GOP scalps.....
and Patsy T's looks nice and lustrous
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:44 AM (LRFds)
We will know if their is a vote called in the House. If Boehner allows it, then the GOP becomes the Whig Party
Posted by: jackj at April 11, 2013 08:45 AM (4WesI)
I trust the Senate GOP as much as I trust Schumer...actually less.
I know Schumer will always be my asshole enemy....
I get to play whack a mole with the GOP
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 12:28 PM (LRFds)
Yup. Find a tree and get a lot of ropes. Someone build a fire and make coffee, this is going to last a bit.
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 08:45 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 08:45 AM (Cnqmv)
Ummm, quick point, I don't think that its gonna pass just yet, regardless of the dem majority.
the fucking language of the bill hasn't even been disclosed.
Posted by: Prescient11
===============
Which shows you how disfunctional the Senate has become under Harry Reid. Mike Lee tried to get them to postpone the cloture vote because, well, there apparently is no actual bill.
They pressed forward.
Isn't that nice?
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 08:46 AM (3LaGb)
However, this meme that the GOP boogeyman is determined to screw the base is bordering on paranoia.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 12:42 PM
Hollowpoint, Toomey took a bill that wasn't going to go anywhere and breathed life into it with his "compromise." If that isn't screwing the base then I respectfully suggest that peeing on your sister isn't assault and battery.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 11, 2013 08:47 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: moron in groucho glasses at April 11, 2013 08:47 AM (MMBvc)
If they pass anything at all along these lines then we really are looking at a third party to replace the Republicans. We should probably go that direction anyway since there isn't much of the old Republic left anyway. Better to go down fighting than to negotiate the last remnants away.
Posted by: Thatch at April 11, 2013 08:48 AM (qYvEa)
and I laughed at the paranoids and always followed the law...
this passes I won't do that anymore if Tyrone T Vasquez Ramirez Crowder gets to buy whatever he wants I want that freedom too.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:49 AM (LRFds)
Are family members being threatened? Do people have criminal evidence against these people? What is going on?
Posted by: Miss Marple at April 11, 2013 12:40 PM (GoIUi)
I was leaving campus yesterday eve and one of my colleagues had been asking me about concealed carry. I pulled, cleared, and handed him my Sig. Another clown (lab computer nerd with like 13 PhDs but can't get a job guy) walks in and my IFF goes to red. You'd have thought we had a student bent over the desk.
Dude nearly shat himself. He asked a few questions and it was immediately apparent he was low info. Guy knew zero about gun laws. But he was obviously IAH (Identified, Assumed Hostile).
Start making two lists.
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 08:50 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: rickl at April 11, 2013 08:50 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Really Fat Guy at April 11, 2013 08:51 AM (Je/il)
I think the bill will have enough "poison pills" when it's done to either kill it in the Senate or in the House, with Red State Democrats actively wanting a bill they can vote against. Already we're hearing things like any doctor can put you on a list to bar you from gun ownership. If there's even a shred of truth to that, the bill is DOA.
Posted by: McAdams at April 11, 2013 08:51 AM (8ghqd)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 08:52 AM (Cnqmv)
No Portman? Well, knock me over with a feather.
Posted by: Mary Catherine at April 11, 2013 08:52 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: McAdams at April 11, 2013 12:51 PM (8ghqd)
Is it? Really?
You have far more faith than I do.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2013 08:53 AM (4df7R)
Ma'am he knows better...I've shook hands with the man.
He's mine.
He plays this game he'll get skinned back home.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:53 AM (LRFds)
No Portman? Well, knock me over with a feather.
***
Must not have been able to get hold of his son. WWRSD?
Posted by: Kafkeresque at April 11, 2013 08:54 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 08:55 AM (Cnqmv)
yet. This was a vote to allow debate on a bill. A cloture vote on a bill
is still to come.
This. Too many of you have a hair trigger on your kneejerk instinct. It's too early to get one's undergarments in a twist.
It's entirely possible that this thing gets amended to death, and could very well end up hurting red state Dems while going nowhere.
Chess, not checkers.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 12:25 PM (SY2Kh)
_______________
Dude when have Republicans ever won a chess game?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 11, 2013 08:55 AM (HDgX3)
Indeed...
no more chess stop things or get voted out...and McCain and the McQueeg gang stop shit and get voted out...
Spirit of '74
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:55 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2013 08:56 AM (MhA4j)
I see what Toomey was doing here. He was looking at the 1500 page monstrosity and was trying to come up with an alternative.
=========================
The only alternative is to filibuster.
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 08:56 AM (3LaGb)
and that is gonna require us to hand the GOP overlords some GOP scalps and smile and say...."or else"
See ya Pat
Spirit of '74
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 08:56 AM (LRFds)
I would not be shocked if he, along with Kirk, are looking to switch parties. Both are up in 2016 in Blue States. No way either gets re-elected a a Republican with the base pissed off
Posted by: jackj at April 11, 2013 08:57 AM (4WesI)
Chess, not checkers
==============
Oh bullshit. How did that work out when the State of Mass sent Senator Scott Brown to the US Senate specifically stop ObamaCare?
Look, there are about 10 senators and 30 US house members who really, truly care about liberty.
The rest of them are statists and could give a shit about anything but the next news cycle, fundraising call, and election.
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 08:58 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: DaMav at April 11, 2013 08:59 AM (rT08W)
Yeah, you're right. After all, last month had 5 Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. It'll happen again in 834 years. About that same time the consultants will be advising the GOP "OK, this is our hill".
Posted by: Really Fat Guy at April 11, 2013 09:00 AM (Je/il)
This is what I mean:
Reid Praises McCain For Helping To Block Gun Control Filibuster
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Isn't that nice?
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 09:00 AM (3LaGb)
By the way, given the # of Republican sellouts on this issue (and make no mistake, Boner is waiting to pass something in the House), why should I give a fuck if the R's are playing chess, checkers, pattycake, or screw the pooch?
I live in PA and will not vote for Toomey under any circumstance.
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 09:02 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 09:03 AM (x3YFz)
It's swell....
I'm thinking we need a PAC to send a formal letter with signitures from open secrets vetted donors saying John McCain is a toxic political force and we will back his political allies opponents no matter party.
John McCain would have killed George Washington if General Gage had promised to pat him on the head.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 09:03 AM (LRFds)
If Kirk remains a Republican, in 2016 the Dem campaign against him is that his brain is mush from the stroke and he can't fulfill his duties and Illinois is not being well served blah blah blah
But if Kirk flips to the Dems, they support him as a courageous candidate who has overcome adversity, whose own experience as a disabled person has made him more sympathetic with the downtroddened blah blah blah.
Heck, they'll probably even run him with a social support dog or something.
Posted by: Minoso at April 11, 2013 09:03 AM (Xv7f/)
If there is one thing I think of when I think of Speaker John Boehner, it is that he's going to "hold the line" on gun control.
Really. Totally.
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 09:04 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2013 09:04 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: moron in groucho glasses at April 11, 2013 09:05 AM (MMBvc)
Not turning anything in, stocking up on 20/30 round mags (which will be lost in an unfortunate rafting debacle at a later date).
molon labe
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 09:07 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: moron in groucho glasses at April 11, 2013 01:05 PM (MMBvc)
***
For the record, all MY firearms fell off the boat in the storm.
Posted by: Jonas Grumby at April 11, 2013 09:07 AM (Xv7f/)
and I wish i had paid the premium to do so...
given this stab is to make what you did illegal you understand where I am coming from I hope?
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 11, 2013 09:08 AM (LRFds)
The national PTA just sent out an email to some subset of its members to contact our reps and senators to "stand up for safe schools and communities today" and support commonsense gun control legislation. So hundreds of thousands of parents will be emailing their reps whining "it's for the chilllllldreeeennnnn"
It is my despairing view that our side has already lost on this issue. That pisses me off.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 11, 2013 09:08 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: moron in groucho glasses at April 11, 2013 01:05 PM (MMBvc)
I don't sell guns. But I'll drop them on the ground and not report them stolen and will mysteriously receive payment for providing a few grooming tips.
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 09:09 AM (x3YFz)
How has the base been screwed on this issue?
What's changed? No new gun restrictions, no new background checks, nothing. The final bill hasn't even been written yet much less debated and voted on.
I'm as pro-2nd Amendment as they come, and my gun closet (complete with Scary Black Assault Weapons) can attest to this. But if I plucked a hair off my head every time the likes of Feinstein or Schumer tried to pass a gun control bill, I'd have been bald years ago.
What's more important- that our rights be protected, or the political sausage making process of how they block attempts to abridge those rights?
Assuming the bill fails (either in the Senate or House), is it really so important to you whether it fails by filibuster today, filibuster next week, or failure to get enough votes for passage?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 09:09 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 09:10 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: moron in groucho glasses at April 11, 2013 09:10 AM (MMBvc)
There is a family transfer exception to the background check rule. So all you morons have to do to transfer a firearm without a background check is marry each other. QED.
Posted by: Oliver Wendell Darrow at April 11, 2013 09:10 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: Oliver Wendell Darrow at April 11, 2013 01:10 PM (Xv7f/)
Every man is my brother, every woman my sister. Fixed.
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 09:12 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Oliver Wendell Darrow at April 11, 2013 09:14 AM (Xv7f/)
Recently. Namely, the sequester fight. Obama was fully expecting to either extract more taxes or convince the public that Republicans would destroy the country if the cuts were enacted.
The GOP kicked his ass on that one, getting some spending cuts that Obama would never have agreed to while avoiding any significant political fallout.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 09:15 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Oliver Wendell Darrow at April 11, 2013 01:14 PM (Xv7f/)
You probably are patting yourself on the back at your witty retort. Hint: you're an idiot.
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 09:17 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 09:17 AM (Cnqmv)
Do you really think congress is going to pass no bill at all?
It's too early to be certain (and that's my point), but if I were to guess? I'd say either none at all, or one watered down to the point of irrelevance.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 09:19 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Crude at April 11, 2013 09:23 AM (JSuzs)
They've been doing that for decades, with little success. If anything, the public has gotten more pro-gun than any time in recent history.
Hell, I wish I could still buy an AK for $350 or a FAL for $500 like I did during the laughable '96 Clinton "assault weapon ban" that wouldn't have a chance of passing today.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 11, 2013 09:25 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2013 09:25 AM (Cnqmv)
Hollowpoint,
you're much more optimistic than I am. I think without a doubt the Senate will pass a bill. At that point, the way CNN, Moochele, Barry, et.al has been acting for this past week will be calm and the R's will cave.
Posted by: Jay at April 11, 2013 09:26 AM (3LaGb)
One of more than a few reasons I no longer attend Catholic mass or donate to their charities.
Posted by: Really Fat Guy at April 11, 2013 09:27 AM (Je/il)
Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at April 11, 2013 09:28 AM (lhX9P)
Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2013 11:56 AM (fWAjv)
From the other thread.
I'm not sure, RWC. I could find out I think.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 11, 2013 09:28 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at April 11, 2013 01:28 PM (lhX9P)
What if there is no training available? You just can't own a weapon. Um. /raises hand
I'd like to apply that same restriction to the 1st Amendment. All people that speak must pass English class or be muted for life.
Dumbfuckery abounds.
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 09:33 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Sebastian at April 11, 2013 09:36 AM (yIjzQ)
Just yeaterday i sent an NRSCC fund raising survey back to the Eunochs with a note that as soon as ONE of the Repunks finds their balls and files Impeachment charges against the Lyin kING and as soona s the neutered, clueless Repunks dump Boehner as Squeeker and McStain and Grahamnasty completely ,Then I will send money.
With the money I saved I called the NRA and became a life member! At least they are fighting the Commie C.S.ers.
Molon Labe Mfers! Here I stand, come and get some!
Posted by: concealedkerry or submit at April 11, 2013 09:39 AM (vXqv3)
But there was no reason for this or any similar bill to ever appear on the floor. Now that it is out there, we are one bleary-eyed 2:30 AM voice vote, the night before a holiday recess, from finding out what's in it, the long, hard, expensive way.
Does anyone know the last US law to be repealed? It's almost impossible. The only one that comes to mind is the 1970's national speed limit, and that took over 20 years, and was superseded by a bunch of other, sneakier, authority.
Once you have a law in this country, you've pretty much got it forever. Except gaywedz. That's diff-urnt. Like freeing the slaves and all.
Posted by: comatus at April 11, 2013 09:39 AM (qaVK+)
What bill? Not one senator has read the fucking thing because as I understand it at this moment a "bill" doesn't exist.
Posted by: Really Fat Guy at April 11, 2013 09:41 AM (Je/il)
It would, sure as Hell, shut this place down. Also, unfair to arithmeticians.
Posted by: comatus at April 11, 2013 09:43 AM (qaVK+)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at April 11, 2013 09:46 AM (Yx9if)
Posted by: comatus at April 11, 2013 01:43 PM (qaVK+)
Wait, what? Everyone here is a rocket surgeon! We spel gud and stuff.
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 09:47 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at April 11, 2013 09:48 AM (Yx9if)
Last night I saw Karl Rove and he had a white board with lines and squiggles on it. I think he was showing how the Anti -gun bill was going down, who was afore and who was agin, but not sure.
When I stood on my head to find my ammo that I accidently ejected under the couch i saw the thing upside down and it said:
" you wingnuts are fu.ked Haha!"
Posted by: concealedkerry or submit at April 11, 2013 09:54 AM (vXqv3)
"you wingnuts are fu.ked Haha!"
Posted by: concealedkerry or submit at April 11, 2013 01:54 PM (vXqv3)
Two points:
1) yes, if Karl Rove predicts it, it won't happen. I'm waiting for him to say the Sun will rise tomorrow; THEN we're all fucked
2) Um... how do you "accidentally" eject a round under the couch? the hell? It's not a toy.
Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2013 10:49 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at April 11, 2013 10:57 AM (IanLz)
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