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January 14, 2013

Scott Walker...
— CAC

The gift that keeps on giving.
And giving.
And (most importantly for Presidential races) giving:

Last month, the National Journal said senior Republicans in Washington were pressing to get Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan to drop their winner-take-all systems, and approve something which would give the GOP more electoral votes and a better chance to win the presidency.
No Wisconsin lawmaker has proposed this in the new session, but GOP Governor Scott Walker says heÂ’s intrigued by the idea.

With defeating the strongest Democrat in the state twice in two years, he stands strong in 2014, so why not go for it, especially the last one?
It isn't a bad idea, particularly if a few other states got in on the act.

Posted by: CAC at 03:10 PM | Comments (73)
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1 Dude, seriously?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 14, 2013 03:11 PM (ROv35)

2 Disappearing comments because the last thread hasn't even finished posting before you stomp it?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 14, 2013 03:13 PM (ROv35)

3 Ha!

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 14, 2013 03:13 PM (M0O7A)

4 Looks like a good ole fashioned thread stompin'

By gar, it's been a while!

Posted by: Old Guy on The Simpsons at January 14, 2013 03:14 PM (wwsoB)

5 Are we in danger of giving away half a loaf? I mean, the way things are going in those states, isn't it plausible that we'd win it all in a winner take all contest? Either way, it has to be an improvement.

Posted by: pep at January 14, 2013 03:15 PM (6TB1Z)

6 The Feats of Thread-Stomping! Time for the Airing of the Grievances!

Posted by: Y-not at January 14, 2013 03:15 PM (5H6zj)

7 It's CAC vs. Ace. It's on, bitches!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 14, 2013 03:17 PM (UOM48)

CAC, you magnificent meatball, you!

Posted by: garrett at January 14, 2013 03:17 PM (n0Ee1)

9 I'm thinking that it is perhaps time to draft Walker.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:17 PM (LRFds)

10 Que the duelling banjo's .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 14, 2013 03:17 PM (BYxr7)

11 It's Rick Santorum's turn in 2016 and you will learn to like it.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 14, 2013 03:19 PM (wNgNI)

12 I say the Presidency should be decided by a bare knuckle bout. Unlimited rounds. Also, the candidates must begin cultivating handlebar mustaches on the last day of the respective conventions.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 14, 2013 03:19 PM (8sCoq)

13 10 Bill D,

Ordinarily I'd bet on the Ewok but CAC is looking for a bacon substitute and I fear Ace looks like sizzle-lean....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:19 PM (LRFds)

14 Cue the duelling banjo's .

Squeal like a pig!

Posted by: CAC v Ace at January 14, 2013 03:20 PM (6TB1Z)

15 Can't stop laughing at you two. OT cause this thing is gonna get stomped anyway. So I notice my wife is wearing a new pair of pants. Me: New pants? They look good. Her: Yeah, whatever. They're already way too big. Me: Um....didn't you just buy them with your mom? (two weeks or so ago) Her: Yeah! And look! (shows me how loose in the waist) Me: Well that's good! Right? Her: No! Me: Uhhhh.... Her: Now they don't fit! I'll have to take them to a tailor. Me: Or, you know, wear a belt. Her: I hate belts. Me: Well, no one likes belts... Her: And they just make the waist bunch all up and I really hate that and it looks awful...and.... Me: My bad. Nevermind. My best friend's dad always said there are 3 Rules for Men Dealing with Women 1) You cannot win. 2) You must play. 3) For all else, refer to Rule #1

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 14, 2013 03:20 PM (GEICT)

I'm thinking that it is perhaps time to draft Walker.

No. We need Scott Walker's in the governorships to help prep the battle field and constantly challenge the Federal Government.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 14, 2013 03:20 PM (o1kXv)

17 12 Jones in CO,

assuming he did not give in to the plaque monster I fear Christie would win via gravity.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:20 PM (LRFds)

18 You know what this blog needs! MORE STOMPING!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 14, 2013 03:21 PM (bxiXv)

19 You got chocolate in my peanut butter. oh.. wait...

Posted by: 13times at January 14, 2013 03:21 PM (h6XiD)

20 Mommy and Daddy are fighting! Make it stop!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 14, 2013 03:21 PM (ZPrif)

21 CAC, you magnificent meatball, you!

Posted by: garrett at January 14, 2013 07:17 PM (n0Ee1)

Might be too soon for the meat names for CAC.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at January 14, 2013 03:22 PM (X6akg)

22 Thread Wars: The Stompening

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 14, 2013 03:22 PM (UOM48)

23 Ace is going to treat this thread like Riverdance's Michael Flatley treats a waitress in a hotel room. Allegedly.

Posted by: wooga at January 14, 2013 03:23 PM (aml22)

24 Isn't this an incremental move away from the Electoral College, republican form of government, and towards mob rule?

Posted by: ParisParamus at January 14, 2013 03:23 PM (olfrA)

25 5, I dunno, I was convinced that Romney was going to carry all of those states last year. Now,it seems that the Gop can only win in these places in off-year (non-presidential) elections. In that case, going to proportional Ev's would probably help the R's, Philly for example wouldn't be able to override the rest of PA and give the D's an automatic 20 Ev's. The red "T" would finally have some say in Presidential elections. The state Gop floated this idea when they first took over the government in 2010. They have the same testicular fortitude of the national GOP, unfortunately, and the Dem screeching forced them to back down.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 14, 2013 03:24 PM (yJYwC)

26 uhmmm Might a new one. Check out the headline on Drudge.

Posted by: BoGart at January 14, 2013 03:24 PM (Ugngr)

27 I just love it when I prepare a nice (healthy, low-fat) dinner, and the husband runs in from work and informs me he really, really needs to attend a meeting about deer culling.

Fuckitall.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 14, 2013 03:25 PM (UOM48)

28 CAC should only be allowed to post on Sunday nights between 1am - 4am.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 14, 2013 03:25 PM (39q3n)

29 Ace; I keep getting some popup thing from w.soundcloud.com telling me I have chosen to open application/octet-stream (709 bytes) whenever I refresh or access the website.

I see a lot of folks talking about how guns are like cigarettes and the attack on them does seem similar. (Rush had a bit about it today)

One difference is that smokers knew their habit was bad for them and bad for other people but they had few options because they were addicted.

If those who want to ban guns or put such restraints on them like was done with cigarettes keep this up, they're going to find that it's not the same and that those owning/using firearms are not of the same mindset and not as easily cowed.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 14, 2013 03:26 PM (3E2th)

30 16 I'm thinking that it is perhaps time to draft Walker. No. We need Scott Walker's in the governorships to help prep the battle field and constantly challenge the Federal Government. Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 14, 2013 07:20 PM (o1kXv) Completely agree!

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at January 14, 2013 03:26 PM (7/bE6)

31 Check out the headline on Drudge.

Posted by: BoGart at January 14, 2013 07:24 PM (Ugngr

Oh, my.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 14, 2013 03:26 PM (UOM48)

32 Admit it, CAC, you want Scott Walker to meet you in your "special" room.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 14, 2013 03:26 PM (BeSEI)

33 Deer culling? With guns and stuff?

And you're upset with this plan?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at January 14, 2013 03:27 PM (L7hol)

I've been a proponent of this for a long time...

Each Congresional District should be a Mini Election... and whoever wins the State should get the two electoral votes for the Senators...

This makes it a TRUE National Election... not an election where the candidates can run in a few swing States.

I live in a pretty Conservative part of California.... there were almost NO signs out for anyone last election... because California itself was a lock.... yet when I drove to Nevada? Signs everywhere...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2013 03:27 PM (lZBBB)

35 > 29

block it with the HOSTS file, clean the malware.

Enjoy.

Posted by: 13times at January 14, 2013 03:28 PM (h6XiD)

36 I have always been against changing the Electoral College, but I am starting to think it would give us a chance and dissipate the impact of the inner cities

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 14, 2013 03:29 PM (jE38p)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 14, 2013 07:25 PM (UOM4

As a Man.... I'd think there may be a bit of a conneciton there....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2013 03:29 PM (lZBBB)

38 Isn't this an incremental move away from the Electoral College, republican form of government, and towards mob rule? Posted by: ParisParamus at January 14, 2013 07:23 PM (olfrA) ----------------------------------------------------------- This. Don't fuck with the EC just because it is not going our way right now.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 14, 2013 03:29 PM (jucos)

39 I'm still not art.

Posted by: Levitating Mass at January 14, 2013 03:29 PM (n0Ee1)

>>>I have always been against changing the Electoral College, but I am starting to think it would give us a chance and dissipate the impact of the inner cities

Plague works fine for that.

Posted by: garrett at January 14, 2013 03:30 PM (n0Ee1)

41 15 -

After "way too big," all you had to say was:

"Really? All I know is you look great in them."

Conversation over.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 14, 2013 03:30 PM (BeSEI)

42 . Don't fuck with the EC just because it is not going our way right now. Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 14, 2013 07:29 PM (jucos) I am not so worried it is not going in our way right now, but that I don't see any way to reverse that in the years to come. And that worries me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 14, 2013 03:30 PM (jE38p)

43 Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 14, 2013 07:20 PM (GEICT) She may be thinking that if she takes them to a tailor she'd better not put on weight because either she'll have a muffin top or (worse) will be rendered unable to wear them and she'll have wasted her money. On the other hand, having loose-waisted pants or a belt that causes them to bunch up aren't great solutions either. I understand all of those viewpoints. Yeah, you're screwed whatever you say.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 14, 2013 03:31 PM (+tsoh)

44 block it with the HOSTS file, clean the malware.

I'm seeing it too, and I have no idea what your prescription means.

Posted by: pep at January 14, 2013 03:31 PM (6TB1Z)

45 I'm still not art. Posted by: Levitating Mass at January 14, 2013 07:29 PM (n0Ee1) Stay away from my Watts Towers. I don't want you getting any ideas.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 03:32 PM (gB3IC)

46 I thought PA tried this and it was voted down last year.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 03:33 PM (HDgX3)

47 The GOP base is the elderly, fundie Christians, rural whites, and the warmongers. All groups on the demographic wane.

You better be worried.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 14, 2013 03:34 PM (wNgNI)

48 Won't this be racist or something?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 03:35 PM (HDgX3)

49 Switching the Ev process would have an impact on voter fraud. Instead of the Philly fraud guaranteeing the Dem all 20 of PA's EVs, it would only guarantee them 9.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 14, 2013 03:36 PM (yJYwC)

50 47 The GOP base is the elderly, fundie Christians, rural whites, and the warmongers. All groups on the demographic wane.

You better be worried.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 14, 2013 07:34 PM (wNgNI)

___________

Romney won

- white voters under 30 (51%)

- college graduates. (52%)

Obama won:

- high school dropouts (82%)

Did you drop out in 9th or 10th grade?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 03:36 PM (HDgX3)

51 Conversation over. Posted by: BurtTC at January 14, 2013 07:30 PM (BeSEI) HAHAHAHA Refer to Rule #1

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 14, 2013 03:36 PM (GEICT)

This. Don't fuck with the EC just because it is not going our way right now.

The problem is that the other side has already decided to fuck with it. They're going to continue to push that Popular Vote Compact shit, as well as continue to build their ability to conduct voter fraud.

The ideal situation would be to eliminate the presidential candidates names altogether and simply run candidates for the position of elector, with the two senate electors being appointed by the state government. That, however, is not going to happen any time soon.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 14, 2013 03:38 PM (o1kXv)

53 >>>24 Isn't this an incremental move away from the Electoral College, republican form of government, and towards mob rule? Posted by: ParisParamus at January 14, 2013 07:23 PM (olfrA) The Free Shit Army already gave us that last November. Desperate times and all that.

Posted by: Paul at January 14, 2013 03:38 PM (g4Saz)

54 13times at January 14, 2013 07:28 PM (h6XiD)

No. That's being loaded from this site.

some plugin is being requested and firefox won't load it unless I approve it. which I don't.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 14, 2013 03:38 PM (3E2th)

55 Pa didn't officially try it, they floated it. The Dems, particularly the Philly contingent, shouted it down. They did come up with the voter ID law that the courts predictably gutted.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 14, 2013 03:39 PM (yJYwC)

56 PA tried to do this with relatively limited lead time for 2012. The Dems were right to screech about it. Now? It's a great idea. 3 years is plenty of time for the presidential contenders to plan This is eventually going to have to happen in Texas, if the (R)'s ever want to win the presidency after the demographics shift more hispanic. Best to get the ball rolling and work the kinks while we still have the time.

Posted by: Stirner at January 14, 2013 03:39 PM (Ytuz8)

57 I would like to hear a proposal that explains how the EC could be changed while leaving the integrity of the system in place. It used to be that the libtards were the ones that wanted the EC changed so that is why I am against still. You know that if the liberals wanted to do it that is was a bad idea.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 14, 2013 03:41 PM (jucos)

58 The Dems screech about everything. All the time. But yes, at least in Pa, the time to do it is now, Corbett and the state Gop aren't looking good for re-election at the moment.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 14, 2013 03:44 PM (yJYwC)

59

Team Republican: Reduced to Hoping to Get into the Playoffs with a Wildcard Berth

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 14, 2013 03:45 PM (kdS6q)

60 If PA and Wisconsin did this, the Democrats would likely be shut out the White House for a long time.

Why on Earth would you not go for it? So a few people would scream about it for a few weeks. So what?

Posted by: Jeepers at January 14, 2013 03:45 PM (XDRsa)

61 If PA and Wisconsin did this, the Democrats would likely be shut out the White House for a long time. Why on Earth would you not go for it? So a few people would scream about it for a few weeks. So what? Posted by: Jeepers at January 14, 2013 07:45 PM (XDRsa) The RED States may go for it , but the BLUE States never will.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 14, 2013 03:49 PM (jE38p)

62 The Dems are big on giving their state EVs to the national popular vote winner no matter how the state actually votes. Right now this only seems to be popular in deep blue states. That would change in a New York minute if a Pub ever wins the popular vote again. Proportial EV's, on the other hand, seems to be much more fair. It means those large red splotches in states such as PA, NJ, and even CA, will actually have a voice for once. Conversely,it will give blue areas in the South some say as well. I'll take the trade for now.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 14, 2013 03:52 PM (yJYwC)

Maine and Nebraska already do this, so it wouldn't be a "change" to the electoral college. The college would still remain in place. This would merely change how the electors are selected.

I'm still somewhat leery of a big change like this, though it would probably take the wind out of the sails of those who are pushing for the popular vote compact. And it wouldn't have the same issues that the popular vote compact has if the popular vote ends up being close (can you imagine recounting every single vote in the country?). It also has the benefit of making big states like California and New York actually worthwhile to spend time in for more than just quick fund raising trips.

Posted by: junior at January 14, 2013 03:52 PM (UWFpX)

64 Democratic California Rep. Jackie Speier said on CNN Monday that firearms are responsible for a Â“mass killingÂ” every day in the United States. She revealed that the Obama administration is seriously considering implementing new gun control measures through executive orders. Â“There is, in fact, a mass killing happening in this country every single day. Thirty-two people lose their lives every day,Â” Speier said. The congresswoman did not provide a source for that claim. Democrats just like making shit up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 14, 2013 03:53 PM (jE38p)

65 Well, a wild card team always seems to win the title anymore, so why not.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 14, 2013 03:53 PM (yJYwC)

66
The RED States may go for it , but the BLUE States never will.
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Yep. Republicans stampeded into letting the Democrats get the electoral votes from Southern Metro areas because "we hatz racism tu" and demographic outreach.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 14, 2013 03:57 PM (kdS6q)

64 Â“There is, in fact, a mass killing happening in this country every single day. Thirty-two people lose their lives every day,Â” Speier said. The congresswoman did not provide a source for that claim.

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Most of them probably in Chicago where, reliable sources inform me, there are no gun laws.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 14, 2013 04:00 PM (IrbU4)

68 Conversely,it will give blue areas in the South some say as well. I'll take the trade for now. Indeed, the Democratic nominee would win one EC vote from Alabama, something no Democrat has done since Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: toby928© at January 14, 2013 04:01 PM (QupBk)

69 Corbett's losing in PA because he's an OG Republican pol.

He made concessions to the unions then proceeded to cry poor and cut a lot of other programs to PAY for the union giveaways.

He's also NOT fighting the Dems.

He's a RINO and stupid to boot and frankly, I'd rather have Big Ed back than see this douche get another 4 years.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 14, 2013 04:04 PM (3E2th)

70 If the GOP pushes for this we'll push for more congressional districts in blue areas to counter.

Posted by: dem strategist at January 14, 2013 04:04 PM (8/bPb)

71
@68

Depends on whether the EVs are allocated by percentage of the statewide popular vote, winner of the congressional district or what have you.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 14, 2013 04:04 PM (kdS6q)

72 I think all states doing this would be a good idea.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 14, 2013 04:27 PM (FsUAO)

73 72 HoboJerky,

Which is why it would never happen.

Hell if the Donks are SO in love with EUtopia's parliament let's just go on ahead and make EVs part of the congressional delegation with the Senate's numbers being a winner take all state by state based on total votes cast in state.

Split the baby so to speak.

What the donks want is a PURE PV winner take all.

My beautiful Republic is in flames.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:31 PM (LRFds)

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