June 25, 2013
— DrewM
States and local governments that previously had to have the Department of Justice "pre-clear" changes to election laws/procedures due to past discrimination no longer have to.
For example, SC had to get DoJ approval to institute voter ID laws. Not any more.
What the Court seems to have done is not strike down the idea of "pre-clearance"(Section V of the VRA) directly but Section IV, which sets out the formula for determining whether a locality is covered under the "pre-clearance" requirement. Congress used very old voting data when they last reauthorized the VRA in 2006. It seems the Court is saying Congress needs to use better data.
Expect a big fight on this in Congress and lots of cries of RACISM!
Added: From the ruling (pdf)
...The Fifteenth Amendment is not designed to punish for the past; its purpose is to ensure a better future. To serve
that purpose, Congress—if it is to divide the States—must identify
those jurisdictions to be singled out on a basis that makes sense in
light of current conditions.(3) Respondents also rely heavily on data from the record compiled by Congress before reauthorizing the Act. Regardless of how
one looks at that record, no one can fairly say that it shows anything
approaching the “pervasive,” “flagrant,” “widespread,” and “rampant”
discrimination that clearly distinguished the covered jurisdictions
from the rest of the Nation in 1965. Katzenbach, supra, at 308, 315,
331. But a more fundamental problem remains: Congress did not use
that record to fashion a coverage formula grounded in current conditions. It instead re-enacted a formula based on 40-year-old facts having no logical relation to the present day.
Roberts wrote the opinion and was joined by Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito.
I agree with the outcome here but the logic of the decision is something conservatives should be very wary of. Essentially the Court is saying this is a legitimate exercise of Congress' power under the XV Amendment but they didn't like the method and data Congress used. I don't think it's the role of the Court to tell the people's elected representatives what data they may and may not use in the exercise of their authority.
I'm open to revisiting this conclusion after reading the whole decision but my initial skim of it makes me think this is the kind of judicial activism conservatives usually protest against for good reason.
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Posted by: Michael the Hobbit, but you can call me Michael at June 25, 2013 06:25 AM (vVMIQ)
Posted by: RS at June 25, 2013 06:27 AM (YAGV/)
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 06:27 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 25, 2013 06:28 AM (UypUQ)
The "formula" was ruled unconstitutional. How do you fix that? Does that mean that a State like SC can just say piss on you Holder, IV is gone and we declare ourself no longer bound?
This makes no sense legally at all. Once again Thomas is right and the rest screwed up.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 10:24 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 06:28 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: kawfytawk at June 25, 2013 06:28 AM (qdzWt)
Posted by: RS at June 25, 2013 10:27 AM (YAGV/)
That is ALWAYS the case...
Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 25, 2013 06:28 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows your telescreen is watching you fap at June 25, 2013 06:29 AM (xw77v)
That is not clear in this ruling Drew
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 06:29 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 25, 2013 06:29 AM (VLifP)
Posted by: Satchi at June 25, 2013 06:30 AM (3GuQx)
Posted by: Hillary R Clinton at June 25, 2013 06:31 AM (qdzWt)
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 10:27 AM (RD7QR)
SC got voter ID, just not in time for the last election which is what Holder wanted to begin with. He knew that he had no leg to stand on.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 06:31 AM (lZvxr)
Tree rings in Siberia hardest hit.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 06:32 AM (STdzY)
I was feeling 'blue' and frustrated last night, so to cheer myself up I spent $150 on a computer keyboard. It is mechanical and has no "10-key" pad.
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 25, 2013 06:32 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 25, 2013 06:32 AM (vanqS)
Posted by: Mallfly at June 25, 2013 06:33 AM (bJm7W)
problem is addressed, it is NEVER solved and the means of addressing it
must remain inviolate forever and ever. In other words, they can't
declare "victory," and go home.
Posted by: RS at June 25, 2013 10:27 AM (YAGV/)
That is ALWAYS the case...
Posted by: Tex Lovera
No shit.
Posted by: Paula Dean at June 25, 2013 06:33 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: John Roberts at June 25, 2013 06:33 AM (xw77v)
Posted by: CDR M at June 25, 2013 06:34 AM (cqZXM)
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 06:34 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 25, 2013 06:34 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 06:35 AM (KvM9d)
Posted by: LIV at June 25, 2013 10:33 AM (0n1+D)
*******************
Three times if you are a bussed in Somali.
Posted by: gracepmc at June 25, 2013 06:35 AM (rznx3)
Yes, things truly are that bad in what used to be the United States.
Posted by: Thatch at June 25, 2013 06:35 AM (qYvEa)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows your telescreen is watching you fap at June 25, 2013 06:35 AM (xw77v)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 06:35 AM (/kI1Q)
Ooooh.
So, okay, let me see if I'm understanding this. I know that certain states -- namely southern states, because RACIST!! or whatever -- had to always go through some kind of pre-clearance with their voting laws, specifically because the DoJ was supposed to ensure the RAAACIST!!! southern states didn't backslide into pre-Civil War slave states with blacks in chains and counted as 3/5 of a person.
*rolling eyes*
So does this SCOTUS decision make that requirement null and void, as it should be? I've been in a boring meeting all morning, so I'm trying to get my brain up to speed.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 06:36 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 25, 2013 06:36 AM (9Mux3)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 06:36 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: nip at June 25, 2013 06:36 AM (lGVXf)
Posted by: McCool at June 25, 2013 06:37 AM (nCSwS)
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 25, 2013 06:37 AM (ZshNr)
Expect a big fight on this in Congress...
Why? If the remedy is to modify the law using new data, the Dems will whine and the Republicans will go along. After all, the Reps embraced a 25 year extension of the VRA in 2006.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 25, 2013 06:37 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 25, 2013 06:38 AM (a3iAA)
Posted by: DrewM. at June 25, 2013 06:38 AM (MbMSS)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 10:35 AM (/kI1Q)
Yeah. Not a lot of good news out there. Every little schadenboner is precious now.
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 06:38 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 06:38 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 25, 2013 10:36 AM (4df7R)
Section IV has the "formula" for determining which States must be subject to this POS law and when a State can get out from under it.
They should have got rid of Section V which is the real bad part. The damn law should apply to every State or no State.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 06:38 AM (lZvxr)
SCotUS didn't say anything about dead voters, illegal voters or multiple voters, so President Historic First© and his co-conspirators still have a lock on the process.
Who cares if a couple Random White Dudes get to vote occasionally?
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 25, 2013 06:39 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 06:39 AM (codCi)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 10:36 AM (VtjlW)
OK fine, so when congress screws over the exact same places with a remarkably stupid (and justifiably unfair) formula does that get re-litigated? Or are they just screwed.
Posted by: tsrblke at June 25, 2013 06:39 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 06:40 AM (lZvxr)
Right now, it does.
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 06:40 AM (codCi)
That part is a buzzkill.
Posted by: Dang at June 25, 2013 06:40 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 25, 2013 06:40 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 06:40 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Yip at June 25, 2013 06:41 AM (/jHWN)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 10:39 AM (codCi)
This is not a "win". It is a temporary "stay". It will be gone before the next election.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 06:41 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 25, 2013 06:41 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 10:38 AM (GQ8sn)
Essentially, Section IV was just invalidated by SCOTUS as being outdated. Section IV includes the formula that identifies which states must abide by Section V, meaning which states must get pre-clearance on changes to their voting laws. Since there is now no formula to determine which states are covered by Section V, then Section V is essentially null and void until Section IV is revised.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 06:42 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: alexthechick
That part is a buzzkill.
Posted by: Dang at June 25, 2013 10:40 AM (Hx2XA)
Yeah, so only a temporary surcease in the suck, to be replaced by some shiny new suck when Congress gets around to it. Not much of a victory.
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 06:42 AM (RD7QR)
I'm suddenly imagining you all in a Monty Python-style musical number.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 06:42 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at June 25, 2013 06:42 AM (9Bdcz)
Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 25, 2013 06:42 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 10:40 AM (VtjlW)
Them glass is half full with a big hole in the bottom draining rapidly. Nothing to celebrate here, the liberals won again. They just put a fig leaf over it.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 06:42 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 25, 2013 10:36 AM (4df7R)
I know you know better, but fucking fuck, the 3/5 clause was the first time slave owners were forced to count their slaves as 'people' in ANY sense of the word. The slave states wanted their slaves to count as people ONLY for determining members in the House, and then as property the rest of the time.
Typical Democrats. Trying to have it both ways, and screaming like bitches when they only get 3/5 of what they want.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 06:43 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: LIV at June 25, 2013 06:43 AM (0n1+D)
Casinos.
Dood.
Posted by: highspeed rail at June 25, 2013 10:42 AM (codCi)
High-speed trains with casinos in them? Win-win!
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 06:44 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 25, 2013 06:44 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 25, 2013 10:39 AM (Cnqmv)
Well, more like $140, actually...
http://www.amazon.com/electronics/dp/B004WOF7S0
I'm told its LOUD. I plan to get revenge on my coworkers for eating at their desks.
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 25, 2013 06:44 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget
Damn right!
Posted by: Dang at June 25, 2013 06:44 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: Harry Reid at June 25, 2013 06:44 AM (0n1+D)
Posted by: Satchi at June 25, 2013 06:45 AM (3GuQx)
Section V should remain in place so that it can prevent the discrimination and hardships experienced with the requirement to show your driver's license that occurred right after the ratification of the 15th amendment.
Do you know how hard it was to get your photo ID in 1870? We can't allow that to happen again.
Posted by: polynikes at June 25, 2013 06:45 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 10:41 AM (lZvxr)
The VRA empowers racial preference, thus it is a permanent fixture in US law that will be forcibly resuscitated by the Libs (aided and abetted by the Repubs). The Repub logic will that this will lure more of those "naturally conservative" minority voters into the miniscule R tent.
R=Stupid party
D=Evil party
Bi-partisan=Stupid and Evil
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 25, 2013 06:45 AM (Cnqmv)
This was penned by “ professor of history at the University of Delaware and author Gary May” on CNN.com this morning:
Should the Supreme Court now significantly weaken the protection of minority voting that the act provides, we may well return to a time when "cussin' Nigras" is again a politically acceptable strategy.
Subtle.
Ace wrote this yesterday about Zimmerman media coverage:
Because they all knew that if they were wrong on George Zimmerman's claim of saying "f***in' coons," not a one of them would ever be called to account for the error by those who matter, other members of the press, other members of the Media-Government Complex, other members of the dominant aristocratic/liberal culture. They could afford to be wrong without any consequences.
“Without any consequences.”
Until the right and the GOP impose consequences for such over-the-top race-baiting, we lose on issues we should win, such as race relations.
Posted by: CJ at June 25, 2013 06:45 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 06:46 AM (GQ8sn)
know you know better, but fucking fuck, the 3/5 clause was the first time slave owners were forced to count their slaves as 'people' in ANY sense of the word. The slave states wanted their slaves to count as people ONLY for determining members in the House, and then as property the rest of the time.
Typical Democrats. Trying to have it both ways, and screaming like bitches when they only get 3/5 of what they want.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 10:43 AM (fwARV)
Trying to explain to a Demonrat that getting the slave owners to acknowledge slaves as anything other than property was a major milestone is like trying to explain to a fish that it was the lucky one because it didn't get the worm.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 06:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: George Wallace at June 25, 2013 06:46 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 25, 2013 06:46 AM (/gHaE)
A logical person would conclude, based on how the justices voted in this case, that the liberal justices are a guaranteed vote for whatever the democrat party wants. The conservatives should take note, for there is no benefit to them applying logic to their decisions.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 25, 2013 06:46 AM (D5iHx)
Section 4 sets the criteria for exercising Section 5.
The Court says Section 4 is unconstitutional, but Congress can legislate a new Section 4. Until Congress does, Section 5 is moot.
Posted by: Felix Frankfurter at June 25, 2013 06:46 AM (e8kgV)
Seriously. And I thought I was a crotchety old man.
The King may die, the horse may die, we may die, or maybe, just maybe, we can teach Boner to sing.
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 06:46 AM (codCi)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 25, 2013 10:44 AM (UypUQ)
The ability to annoy multiple cow-orkers at once is pretty awesome.
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 06:46 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 06:46 AM (VtjlW)
For fuck's sake, Vic, enjoy the glass half full.
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 10:40 AM (VtjlW)
I thought Vic told you to get off his lawn. Move it!
Posted by: polynikes at June 25, 2013 06:47 AM (m2CN7)
"The general idea seems to be "Congress has to find better data to determine benchmarks than the stats they used".
Maybe they could use the latest hate crime stats that show Blue states as the worst ? DC, MA and NJ were the worst IIRC ?
Posted by: McCool at June 25, 2013 06:47 AM (nCSwS)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 10:46 AM (codCi)
Make it a torch song that he can sob his way through like a fucking lush.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 25, 2013 06:48 AM (9Mux3)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 25, 2013 06:48 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Low Information Voter at June 25, 2013 06:49 AM (32Ze2)
And no soaping each others backs until tomorrow, when DOMA and Prop 8 come out. They can still make a mockery of the Constitution big time.
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 06:49 AM (YmPwQ)
Seriously.
*headdesk*
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 06:49 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: jjshaka at June 25, 2013 06:49 AM (nyRmZ)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2011/tables/table-12
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 25, 2013 06:50 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: t-web at June 25, 2013 06:51 AM (PWQkp)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 25, 2013 06:51 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at June 25, 2013 06:51 AM (X+nFp)
Posted by: jjshaka at June 25, 2013 10:49 AM (nyRmZ)
Well, it's only fair to keep a worthless law in force forever, just in case (sort of like a tax that never goes away)!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 25, 2013 06:51 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 06:52 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Buddha at June 25, 2013 06:52 AM (8NlUk)
Should the Supreme Court now significantly weaken the protection of minority voting that the act provides, we may well return to a time when "cussin' Nigras" is again a politically acceptable strategy.
And I would like to point this dickhat and all the other puling libs out there toward the case of Ike Brown in Mississippi, a black man, whose tactics undermined and sidelined not only white voters, but white candidates. And this went on for a LONG time. The DoJ didn't want to pursue that case because the offender was black, just like in the Black Panthers Voter Intimidation case.
So the mush mouthed fucking leftists who want to spew bullshit about racial segregation in the voting booth can suck my nonexistent dick, though they'll have to get in line behind every RINO in Congress and every Demonrat nationwide for the privilege. Pathetic bunch of lousy pussies.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 06:52 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: CJ at June 25, 2013 10:45 AM
Whatever you're smokin', bro....
The GOP caved in to the race-hustlers long, long ago. When that ol' White Guilt rears its ugly head, you can count on so-called conservatives being at the forefront. Optics, and all that.
Why do you think Choom Boy has had five unchallenged years to complete his America-destroying agenda? Why do the Sharptons, Jacksons and others of their stripe continue to live fat off other people's money despite criminal behavior?
There should be NO "race relations." We need an amendment that mandates judging individuals on what they SAY and DO.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 25, 2013 06:53 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: Reality Man at June 25, 2013 06:53 AM (obXkJ)
Posted by: Roy at June 25, 2013 06:53 AM (VndSC)
For fuck's sake, Vic, enjoy the glass half full.
Posted by: alexthechick
Congress will patch the law before the 2014 election, so there's no national effect. And wouldn't be too surprised if the Dems tossed a few "updates" into the revised law. Gender bias? Apply to states outside the Old South? Wait and see.
Glass half full? Don't even have a glass.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 25, 2013 06:53 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: edj at June 25, 2013 06:54 AM (9Ko7L)
Posted by: Harold Abrams at June 25, 2013 06:54 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: teej at June 25, 2013 06:54 AM (GX2fm)
Nice....
I just got two emails within moments of each other. First one was a link to a ppt sent by our senior VP of our entire division. The ppt was about "organizational changes in our division". The second email says the first email with the link to the ppt was not meant for public disclosure and to "ignore it". I click on the link and it's already a 404: NOT FOUND error.
Fuck....
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 10:52 AM (GQ8sn)
I'm betting somebody you know in the organization downloaded the .ppt file before it went 404. Discreet inquiries will probably reveal who, and whether or not you should polish your resume'.
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 06:55 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 06:55 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 25, 2013 10:53 AM (/RIVS)
No, in Obama liberaland, the color of the skin is more important than the content of the character.
Example in chief BHO
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 25, 2013 06:55 AM (Cnqmv)
Fuck....
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 10:52 AM (GQ8sn)
Uh-oh. Sounds like someone's going to be going through a reorganization soon. *wince*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 06:55 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jack Nine at June 25, 2013 06:55 AM (0h8aq)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 06:56 AM (STdzY)
Posted by: Berserker at June 25, 2013 06:56 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 06:56 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 25, 2013 10:52 AM (4df7R)
Poetry.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 06:57 AM (fwARV)
*headdesk*
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 10:49 AM (fwARV)
*puts pillow on WN's desk*
There. With this regime, I find that it's a good idea to keep a cushion nearby so that I can headdesk without fear of concussion.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 06:57 AM (4df7R)
Now the libtards have to go and fight all over again for something they've had in the bag for forty fucking years.
And, while we are busy measuring some of our dunderheaded Senators for noose over this pandering to illegals thing, consider for a moment why they are doing it: Because some halfwit consultant told them they need it to get more Hispanic votes, or we'll put off for a decade or two the inversion of the worker-to-pensioner pyramid or some such crap. It's all bullshit, but they believe they reap direct political benefits.
In other words, they are doing it for what they perceive to be a political advantage.
Just because many of our dumbfuck RINO squish friends are too craven to actively pursue Voter ID requirements, because of the inevitable cries of RACIST! does not mean they will not be happy to reap the benefits now that someone else has done the foul deed. It is a lot easier for them to not get around to doing something than it is to do something, and if there is anything these people are good for, it is taking the easiest road, especially when it has direct and measurable benefits to their re-election prospects.
Posted by: Historians who love to metaphorically gobble FDR's cock and balls at June 25, 2013 06:57 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at June 25, 2013 06:58 AM (Ud5vq)
Posted by: Berserker at June 25, 2013 10:56 AM (FMbng)
It's imagery like this that keeps me coming back to the HQ.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 06:58 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 25, 2013 06:58 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: RWC at June 25, 2013 06:59 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 06:59 AM (VtjlW)
Don't worry though, Mr. Roberts, you're still a jackass in my book, you OCare enabling cockbite.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 25, 2013 06:59 AM (ccXZP)
I won't go along with this. The Constitution requires that the Federal Government ensure a Republican Form in the states. You cannot arbitrarily disenfranchise a voter based on race or other immutable characteristics and still be a Republic.
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 06:59 AM (codCi)
Posted by: Buckeye Katie at June 25, 2013 06:59 AM (1M/xn)
I always thought they'd be more into Mrs. SCOAMF.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 07:00 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Harold Abrams at June 25, 2013 07:01 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 25, 2013 07:01 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 10:59 AM (VtjlW)
*looks into sky for SMOD, which is surely on an inbound path.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:01 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 25, 2013 07:01 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Harold Abrams at June 25, 2013 07:02 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Gerry Mander at June 25, 2013 07:02 AM (Hx2XA)
Now if we could just get rid of that gerrymandering bullshit, and maybe enact some damn term limits, we might just have a shot at giving this republic another twenty or thirty years before it collapses.
I know, I know. Pipe dreams. But darn it, shoot for the moon!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:02 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 25, 2013 07:02 AM (659DL)
Example in chief BHO
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 25, 2013 10:55 AM
Exactomundo.
Other black candidates for high office weren't "authentic," maybe because some were conservative. Our first President of Color had to be an example of the lowest common denominator: an affirmative-action sucker-of-the-government teat, absolutely incapable of providing for himself without the federal "helping hand."
Everyone in America, regardless of race, color, national origin or ethnic background, should be profoundly embarrassed that we elected such a pathetic loser to lead us. He is a disgrace to all races.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 25, 2013 07:03 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 10:59 AM (VtjlW)
I personally need to see what happens going forward.
Roberts seems happy to make his legacy one of pretty heavy deference to congress. Of course we have to see how the next few cases come down to determine if that deference extends only to liberal issues.
But make no mistake, this was another case of his deference to congress, it just mostly worked out for us this time (for now.)
Posted by: tsrblke at June 25, 2013 07:03 AM (GaqMa)
Well, a partial win is better than no win at all, at this point.
I wonder if this ruling may have been intended (at least ancilliarily) as a poke in the eye to Holder and Obama?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 25, 2013 07:03 AM (YYJjz)
Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 25, 2013 10:58 AM (9+ccr)
Ryan has always been a squish on amnesty. He backed that 1986 POS.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 07:03 AM (lZvxr)
I am fully expecting some here to do a Curly spin on the ground while going 'nyuck nyuck nycuk'
It is a win. It forces the alleged representatives of the people to actually stand up on their doggie legs and be counted.
Shattering victories like Midway are uncommon. This is Coral Sea.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 07:03 AM (STdzY)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 10:56 AM (STdzY)
I applaud your naivete. Boehner & McConnell probably have "fix" legislation on their desks now!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 25, 2013 07:03 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:04 AM (4df7R)
...this *does* confuse and frighten me.
Ryan has always been a squish on amnesty. He backed that 1986 POS.
He wasn't even old enough to vote in 1986.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 07:04 AM (/kI1Q)
Republicans would have NEVER amended or ended the Voting Rights Act, and the Supreme Court had to be careful that it didn't just nuke it outright.
It's a big victory, and I'll take it.
Posted by: Jeepers at June 25, 2013 07:04 AM (XDRsa)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 07:04 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 11:03 AM (STdzY)
It's so fucking hot when the 'ettes know military history. I love this place.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:05 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 25, 2013 07:05 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 25, 2013 07:06 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 07:06 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Jackj at June 25, 2013 07:06 AM (KLJRT)
I have not read the decision, but while some may feel it is not worthy drinking all the valurite in sight, it is worth some chocolate cake with white frosting, if you can fight off my daughter from her birthday cake. And she fights dirty....
Posted by: Penfold at June 25, 2013 07:06 AM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 07:07 AM (GQ8sn)
Republicans would have NEVER amended or ended the Voting Rights Act, and the Supreme Court had to be careful that it didn't just nuke it outright.
It's a big victory, and I'll take it.
Posted by: Jeepers
Damn right! This is like a single sledgehammer blow to the foundation of liberal bullshit. Keep swinging. Never stop.
Posted by: Gerry Mander at June 25, 2013 07:07 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: teej at June 25, 2013 07:07 AM (xhr2b)
Posted by: Reality Man at June 25, 2013 10:53 AM (obXkJ)
What, that piece of shit passed both houses and got signed into law already?
What is this? Minority Report meets Idiocracy?
The Germans haven't even finished bombing Pearl Harbor and you are already surrendering?
Christ, I know things ain't so swell, but do we have to go all mewling pussy about it 24-7?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 25, 2013 07:07 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Vic
..........
Uhh.. I think Ryan was about 12 years old in 86, Vic.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 25, 2013 07:08 AM (f9c2L)
What this SHOULD DO is start a "conversation" in Congress about how we don't fucking NEED whole chunks of the VRA -- particularly section V -- anymore. "We elected a fucking black guy to the Presidency," would be how I'd begin. "Twice! Fuck the racial equality at the polls bullshit. We've done it. It's not 1963 anymore. Time to start living in the 21st century."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:08 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: scottst at June 25, 2013 07:08 AM (EMr2t)
Hatch says he will vote for the final Senate bill without any changes
Posted by: Jackj at June 25, 2013 07:08 AM (KLJRT)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 07:08 AM (codCi)
Posted by: Mister Wonderful at June 25, 2013 07:09 AM (45uEa)
Posted by: DrewM. at June 25, 2013 07:09 AM (MbMSS)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 25, 2013 11:01 AM (OWjjx)
I am a Queen. I trump all your other titles. I am entitled to this title. Do not tread on my power and control of your destiny. Off with your head.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 25, 2013 07:09 AM (baL2B)
States that currently fall under the act (and yes there are some in the North as well) will try to act immediately to get changes enacted before the 2014 election.
The Democrats will drag their feet and delay action using every conceivable technique to prevent that. We will have the 2014 election without changes.
After that the law will be changed in time for the 2016 election, except that congress will have changed Section IV using "new formulas" that keep everything just the way it is now.
And if you don't think Republicans will go along with that keep in mind two things. (1) They just renewed this POS for another GD 25 years when originally it was supposed to be a temporary law for only 5 years. and (2) They just sold us out on the amnesty thing. This will be a Hell of a lot easier for them to sell us out on.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 07:09 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 25, 2013 07:09 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Jackj at June 25, 2013 07:09 AM (KLJRT)
I ask merely for information.
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 07:09 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 07:10 AM (GQ8sn)
.... so
Bottom line is the States that were prohibited from changing their voting laws with out a review from the DoJ are no longer required to undergo that review???
Posted by: fixerupper at June 25, 2013 07:10 AM (nELVU)
Typical Democrats. Trying to have it both ways, and screaming like bitches when they only get 3/5 of what they want. Posted by: Washington Nearsider,
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Hmm. That is not what I recall (emphasis on 'recall'). The Southern States very much wanted slaves counted as a full person for representational purposes. It was the northern states which did *not* want them counted at all. The 3/5 rule was grudgingly agreed to by the Northern states. It was THEY who wanted the 3/5 rule. When you hear that southerners did not want the slaves counted as people, then you are being fed propaganda.
From Wiki: "Delegates opposed to slavery generally wished to count only the free inhabitants of each state, but delegates supportive of slavery, on the other hand, generally wanted to count slaves in their actual numbers."
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 25, 2013 07:10 AM (aDwsi)
*points*
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 11:07 AM (GQ8sn)
Wait, there's a line to get into my bunk?
I DO love this place!!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:10 AM (fwARV)
Legally, Section V sucks and should have been overturned. But that's not politically possible, alas (remember, the guy who really has to sign onto all this shit is Kennedy, and he's not going to overturn Section V). So we're stuck with making it politically impossible for Congress to create a new formula in Section IV. I don't think any Congressman is going to stand up and say his district is so racist that preclearance is necessary.
Yeah, the best solution is for Section V to be overturned as it's not a proper exercise of Federal power...but in this, I'll take what I can get.
Posted by: @JohnTant at June 25, 2013 07:10 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 25, 2013 07:10 AM (BUcLz)
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 07:10 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 10:38 AM (GQ8sn)
In short, Part 4 was just thrown out by the Court as too old. Part 4 has the sum of votes thing that says which states are hit by Part 5, which means they have to get cleared so they can change the laws on who votes, and where.
Since there is now no way to say which states are hit by Part 5, then it is the same as null and void until Part 4 is fixed.
____________________
There you go. In words of just one word part.
The 3/5 person count was a Yankee trick. If slaves were counted as one whole person, the slave states would have had a walkover majority in Congress. Modern dems can't understand that, either -- even though they do it.
Posted by: comatus at June 25, 2013 07:10 AM (JNUY4)
Posted by: Mister Wonderful at June 25, 2013 11:09 AM (45uEa)
They did everything short of seceding.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 07:10 AM (lZvxr)
I ask merely for information.
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 11:09 AM (YmPwQ)
Because then it would be obvious?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:11 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Buckeye Katie at June 25, 2013 07:11 AM (1M/xn)
Are you being sarcastic? I heard it has been a disaster so far for Zimmerman...
hello, it's me Donna at June 25, 2013 11:09 AM (9+ccr)
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Did you hear that from the same media that won't show a picture of grown-up Trayvon, or edited Zimmerman's 911 phone call? 
Posted by: @JohnTant at June 25, 2013 07:12 AM (tVWQB)
Whatever you're smokin', bro....The GOP caved in to the race-hustlers long, long ago.
I'm smoking 'common sense' and 'winning tactics.' And Cohiba.
The GOP can't take on the race hustlers alone. Democrats play racial politics because their base has their backs. As long as conservatives in general tolerate and leave unchallenged race-baiting on the left - which we pretty much do - the GOP will continue to cower.
Posted by: CJ at June 25, 2013 07:12 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 25, 2013 07:12 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 11:05 AM (fwARV)
Some of us come by this knowledge naturally. My late and great Daddy was a Marine in the South Pacific for 30 months, including Peleliu. That said, I love all morons and 'ettes, as without you I would not be prepared for the camps.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 25, 2013 07:13 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 25, 2013 07:13 AM (9+ccr)
Forces Congress to do something instead of rubber stamp off of old data.
Tree rings in Siberia hardest hit.
That's my take on it. Congress is still free to oversee the states election processes, and changes....but can't rely on outdated data to do so. It does not appear to be overreach on the part of the SC....or judicial activism.
This is preliminary, of course. I'll wander over to legalinsurection, and see what their take on it is.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 07:13 AM (qoQi/)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 25, 2013 11:10 AM (aDwsi)
I think your wiki quote is exactly what I said.
Slave states wanted to claim slaves as people for representation purposes, but hold them as property for everything else.
Free states said, oh no, it's one or the other. They are either property OR people, but not both.
The 3/5 Compromise was how they split the baby.
Of course, all of that was nullified with the 13th, so it doesn't really matter.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:13 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 11:09 AM (lZvxr)
Well any state under the act is (if we're all reading this correctly) no longer bound by it.
So I figure they have no reason to rush changes through.
Except for those put in place as a result of this I guess.
Posted by: tsrblke at June 25, 2013 07:13 AM (GaqMa)
Hopefully Roberts keeps it up and doesn't revert to blackmail boy on teh ghey stuff tomorrow.
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 07:14 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Mister Wonderful at June 25, 2013 07:14 AM (45uEa)
Same Sex decisions tomorrow, and Roberts has been told to strike down Prop 8 and DOMA by the NSA
Posted by: Jackj at June 25, 2013 07:14 AM (KLJRT)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 07:14 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: JEM at June 25, 2013 07:14 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 07:15 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 25, 2013 07:15 AM (V1ZIU)
...........
Yeah.. Zimmerman's defense is doing just fine. The prosecution has nothing. Their opening remarks lasted a half hour. Defense opener was the rest of the day.
I'll be surprised if the acquittal by the jury takes more than ten minutes after hearing the facts.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 25, 2013 07:15 AM (f9c2L)
OT, but those boy scouts who got injured by that lighning strike here in NH? Only about twenty minutes up the road from me. I was NOT a happy camper to be driving home in that shit last night. Lightning bolts all around, branches falling in the road, wind pushing my little car side to side, fucking RAIN, dime-size hail...
Who hates lightning? *points thumbs at self* This girl!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:15 AM (4df7R)
The soundness of factual bases are at the root of every form of every level of constitutional review, from "rational basis" and "legitimate interest" on up, not to mention in separation of power determinations. e.g. Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer.
Posted by: dawnfire at June 25, 2013 07:16 AM (1oL2B)
Posted by: Jackj at June 25, 2013 07:16 AM (KLJRT)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 25, 2013 07:16 AM (D5iHx)
I ask merely for information.
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 11:09 AM (YmPwQ)
This is what he was told to do this time. It is a trick and it fooled you. Wait until you see his ruling tomorrow!!!
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 25, 2013 07:16 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: RS at June 25, 2013 10:27 AM (YAGV/)
Of course not. They believe in infinite progress.
Why wouldn't you want to be a Progressive? They believe in PROGRESS!!!!!11
Progress that is, interestingly, never measured against the results.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 25, 2013 07:16 AM (/g8rp)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 25, 2013 07:16 AM (yAor6)
I basing this on the live tweets. https://twitter.com/LegInsurrection/zimmerman-trial
The current STATE witness is singing Z's praises as a courteous and professional NW volunteer. Exactly the kind of person the PD hopes for.
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 07:16 AM (codCi)
I DO love this place!!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 11:10 AM (fwARV)
lol!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:17 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 07:17 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Barack, Trayvon's Dad at June 25, 2013 07:17 AM (RGgMp)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 07:17 AM (KvM9d)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 25, 2013 07:17 AM (V1ZIU)
Posted by: Mister Wonderful at June 25, 2013 07:17 AM (45uEa)
Posted by: CDR M at June 25, 2013 10:34 AM (cqZXM)
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While you were all arguing over deck chair placement on the Titanic, CDR M snuck in and sliced like a fucking hammer.
Yes, this is a victory for our side, in deference to alexthechick. It is nice to savor these little triumphs. Like the rush of love and joy you get as your little girl says, "Daddy, I made you a necklace out of elbow macaroni!" minutes before an asteroid the size of Texas slams into the earth, extinguishing all life on the planet.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 25, 2013 07:17 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 25, 2013 11:15 AM (f9c2L)
I'll be stunned if he's acquitted. Stunned. He walks and Florida burns.
Of course, I said I'd be stunned if Gosnell was convicted, so...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:18 AM (fwARV)
Twitchy has it up. Heh.
http://is.gd/LybHPN
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 07:18 AM (/kI1Q)
Except for those put in place as a result of this I guess.
Posted by: tsrblke at June 25, 2013 11:13 AM (GaqMa)
They will try to rush voter ID changes and the like through before congress reestablishes Section IV. Dems will prevent that.
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 07:18 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 25, 2013 07:18 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: JEM at June 25, 2013 07:18 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)
... Would we be allowed to carry blackjacks?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:18 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jackj at June 25, 2013 07:19 AM (KLJRT)
Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2013 07:19 AM (lZvxr)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 25, 2013 07:19 AM (7rqY/)
Then you have to wonder how those subject persons would vote. And even though slaves probably had a leg up morally and intellectually on the typical LIV of any race today, right now the Dem Plantation is showing you a pretty good picture of how that would have gone.
No photo ID in 1870? Pshaw. The Obamaphone wasn't even invented yet.
Posted by: comatus at June 25, 2013 07:19 AM (JNUY4)
Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense 9m #Zimmerman Trial: Dorival apparently lining herself up as next wife for George if Shellie leaves the picture http://bit.ly/14V1xtO
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 07:19 AM (codCi)
Posted by: RWC at June 25, 2013 07:19 AM (fWAjv)
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 07:19 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Jackj at June 25, 2013 07:20 AM (KLJRT)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 07:20 AM (KvM9d)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist
And that is why I am so proud of my fellow 'ettes! Such delicate snowflake flowers of love!
Rock on MWR
Posted by: Cheri former Coast Guard at June 25, 2013 07:20 AM (G+Wff)
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 07:20 AM (YmPwQ)
But the South was still largely "solid" Democrat for everything but the Presidency, so Southern politicians didn't have a big problem with it.
It wasn't until 1994 that the South formally dumped the Democrat Party and no longer fell for the "conservative Democrat" schtick.
Posted by: Jeepers at June 25, 2013 07:20 AM (XDRsa)
Posted by: CDR M at June 25, 2013 10:34 AM (cqZXM)
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While you were all arguing over deck chair placement on the Titanic, CDR M snuck in and sliced like a fucking hammer.
Yes, this is a victory for our side, in deference to alexthechick. It is nice to savor these little triumphs. Like the rush of love and joy you get as your little girl says, "Daddy, I made you a necklace out of elbow macaroni!" minutes before an asteroid the size of Texas slams into the earth, extinguishing all life on the planet.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 25, 2013 11:17 AM (CJjw5)
Well, heck. This took some wind out of my patched and ragged sail. Sigh. So, the House holds our future in their sweaty hands?
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 25, 2013 07:21 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:21 AM (fwARV)
"We elected a fucking black guy to the Presidency," would be how I'd begin. "Twice! Fuck the racial equality at the polls bullshit. We've done it. It's not 1963 anymore. Time to start living in the 21st century."
Posted by: MWR
Justice Ginsburg said discrimination still exists in voting laws ranging from racial gerrymandering to changing representation formulas — what she called “second-generation barriers.”
"Welcome back my friends, to the show that never ends..."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 25, 2013 07:22 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 11:21 AM (fwARV)
For which, by the way, there is a line!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:22 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 25, 2013 11:18 AM (7ObY1)
Eww. That's TMI, Hayes.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:22 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: DrewM. at June 25, 2013 07:23 AM (MbMSS)
http://tinyurl.com/ms6g4kx
While
On a conf call with IBM
While
Keeping an eye on Ace.
Posted by: trainer says HI to the NSA at June 25, 2013 07:23 AM (K5X44)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 25, 2013 11:18 AM (7ObY1)
I read 'physically engorged' and threw up in my mouth.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:23 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 25, 2013 07:23 AM (hHgxI)
So we can do away with the fucked-up district boundaries intentionally designed to elect representatives of a specific race? I'm down with that.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 07:23 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Jack Nine at June 25, 2013 07:23 AM (nsg2T)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 07:23 AM (codCi)
Posted by: EC at June 25, 2013 07:24 AM (GQ8sn)
What next, John Bohner grows a pair and says no immigration bill at all from the House?
Posted by: Warthog at June 25, 2013 07:24 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: RS at June 25, 2013 10:27 AM (YAGV/)
Except for the "war on terror", which I have addressed and is, indeed, over.
Posted by: barack obama as Augustus at June 25, 2013 07:24 AM (4eNxd)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 25, 2013 07:25 AM (659DL)
Of course, I said I'd be stunned if Gosnell was convicted, so... Posted by:
......
Naahh.. At the very worst, it will be a hung jury. There is an eye witness saying it was Zimmerman getting his head bashed and screaming for help - accounts by libtard news organizations to the contrary. These jurors get to hear the facts, not libtard suppositions.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 25, 2013 07:25 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: JEM at June 25, 2013 07:25 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 11:23 AM (/kI1Q)
Me, too! Win-win!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:25 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 25, 2013 11:19 AM (/kI1Q)
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Well, yeah. I've never been on team SMOD. As an entrepeneur, I'm more of a Burning Times guy.
Some people see a charred, desolate wasteland that used to be America and I see opportunity. Join my Death's Head Legions and help me rebuild this shattered continent in my image. Refer a friend and receive 100 EoJ Bucks, good for captured canned goods at the commissary, or for entertainment at my Pleasure Battalion.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 25, 2013 07:25 AM (CJjw5)
"Welcome back my friends, to the show that never ends..."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 25, 2013 11:22 AM (kdS6q)
It is unfortunate the good Justice-?woman's wee brains were sucked out in that wind tunnel that left her dessicated remains to be propped up by libs like a Weekend at Bernie's.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 25, 2013 07:25 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: JEM at June 25, 2013 11:25 AM (o+SC1)
...
SOMEONE MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:26 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Harold Abrams at June 25, 2013 07:26 AM (e8kgV)
"The pen Henry!"
"What about the pen?"
"The pen is mightier than the sword."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 07:27 AM (STdzY)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 25, 2013 11:25 AM (baL2B)
The imagery, it SPEAKS to me.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:27 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 07:27 AM (KvM9d)
Posted by DrewM. at 10:23 AM Comments <
I'm sure I've heard more stupid and illogical conclusions, but right now none of them come to mind.
How about you read the decision before launching into unfounded, unsupported, speculative and precious conclusions?
The data being used was a ruse to support the conclusion Congress wanted. It was actually an act of legislative despotism by both parties who voted for re-authorization. It's symptomatic of the malaise, dishonesty, and blatant political nature of Congress. They used this as a wedge issue and the Obama DoJ took that to a new controlling (and some may say electorally illegal) level. Republican fell in line because, well, they would be called racists or something for not voting. Democrats have run this illegal three card monty very effectively for years. Oh, and don't expect them to give up easily. This was an electoral goldmine. They used it to effectively supress votes by stalling on issues that would benefit the opposition and outright killing actions such as redistricting. The entire thing was a sick, anti-constitutional joke and infringement on states rights. This piece of crap was challenged almost as soon as Congress passed it, for good reason. Until now, nobody has had the balls or political will to address it.
I am not a fan of our unelected branch. They are serving well beyond their constitutional purpose like a fifth column. But this vote was relatively close to where the correct constitutional line should be drawn
Posted by: Marcus at June 25, 2013 07:27 AM (GGCsk)
Yeah, but eyewitnesses are historically unreliable when they are the lynchpin around which your case is built.
Hopefully common sense will prevail, but I've lost quite a bit of hope in common sense.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:27 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 25, 2013 07:27 AM (V1ZIU)
Posted by: teej at June 25, 2013 07:28 AM (J+V/o)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 25, 2013 07:28 AM (jsWA8)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 25, 2013 07:28 AM (Vgn84)
Wouldn't the number of black representatives decrease without the gerrymandering?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 25, 2013 07:28 AM (kVfSG)
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 25, 2013 07:28 AM (ccXZP)
3/5 clause was the first time slave owners were forced to count their
slaves as 'people' in ANY sense of the word.."
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The slave owners were not 'forced' on account of the 3/5 clause. They would have have preferred a full-on 1:1. Which would have had the same consequence, even more so if it is your perspective that slave owners did not regard their slaves as people.
I reiterate, the 'A slave was only regarded as 3/5 of a person' narrative should be directed towards the North, if THAT particular issue is the topic of discussion. It is not something that slave owners desired. If 'forcing' was an issue, why not go with the full 1:1?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 25, 2013 07:28 AM (aDwsi)
Usually, offering to massage anyone with my wood gets me slapped and/or arrested.
I'm just sayin...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:29 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at June 25, 2013 07:29 AM (Ud5vq)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 25, 2013 07:30 AM (V1ZIU)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 11:27 AM (fwARV)
Ditto. I'm hoping rational sense will win the day, but nothing about this damn case makes a lick of sense. It should never have gone to trial. The fact that it DID tells me that the verdict is far from assured either way.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:30 AM (4df7R)
Ok, all you "Roberts was blackmailed on Obamacare" people....if he was
blackmailed for that, he presumably still is under that threat, why
hasn't he gone full Ginsburg on every decision?
I ask merely for information.
Posted by: Larry Fine "
It just proves the key holder on Roberts was a stakeholder in the Obamacare debate, like an insurance company with records of VD treatment or an abortion, rather then the WhiteHouse.
Just cleaning up the logic, not actually in bed with the compromised Roberts scenario.
Posted by: Jean at June 25, 2013 07:30 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 25, 2013 11:28 AM (jsWA
************
This totally works for me.
Posted by: gracepmc at June 25, 2013 07:31 AM (rznx3)
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 25, 2013 11:28 AM (ccXZP)
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I admire a man who can take time to smell the flowers in the face of impending DOOM.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 25, 2013 07:31 AM (CJjw5)
What about a good old fashioned Louisville Slugger? Sleek, functional, AND multipurpose.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:31 AM (4df7R)
But they only wanted the 1:1 for counting how many HoR seats they got (thereby increasing their power in the legislature).
The North told them that if they were people, they couldn't own them, if they weren't people, they couldn't be counted towards HoR seats. (Basically, they said: Dear South, you're holding two mutually-exclusive positions simultaneously. Pick one.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:32 AM (fwARV)
The Voting Rights Act was a permanent and intrusive solution to a temporary problem that hasn't existed in decades.
Does any reasonable person really believe that if the law completely went away tomorrow that southern states would start disenfranchising black voters?
Even in 1965 the issue would've solved itself at the state level in short order without any federal involvement.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 25, 2013 07:32 AM (SY2Kh)
"It wasn't until 1994 that the South formally dumped the Democrat Party and no longer fell for the "conservative Democrat" schtick."
No, we mouthbreathing hillbillies seem to still fall for it quite a bit. NC especially. Here in GA, a lot of the old blue dogs changed party affiliation, but they're still the same old pieces of shit.
Posted by: Jaws at June 25, 2013 07:32 AM (4I3Uo)
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Yeah..., no place to plug in the Volts, Leafs, iPhones.
The weird thing is..., it is the eco types who are constantly bitching about rising rates by the power companies.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 25, 2013 07:33 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: JEM at June 25, 2013 07:33 AM (o+SC1)
You're basing this on what?
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 07:34 AM (codCi)
BTW, has our exalted Preezy given his little speech about climate change yet? Or are we still eagerly anticipating it? And by "eagerly anticipating" I of course mean "eagerly anticipating the Horde's responses to it."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:34 AM (4df7R)
@ 178 - "Uhh.. I think Ryan was about 12 years old in 86, Vic."
Doesn't mean he didn't support amnesty back then!
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 25, 2013 07:35 AM (YYJjz)
Posted by: booger at June 25, 2013 07:35 AM (E1tcO)
Posted by: RWC at June 25, 2013 11:32 AM (fWAjv)
Check Legal Insurrection. I remember video there but I don't know if it's a live stream.
Posted by: joncelli at June 25, 2013 07:36 AM (RD7QR)
I'll be stunned if he's acquitted. Stunned. He walks and Florida burns.
How many state charges is he facing? Just second degree murder, or that with numerous additional charges thrown in for good measure?
If he walks on the murder charge, (and I suspect he will), he'll be arrested by the feds that same week, and tried under federal civil rights, and hate crime violations. They'll get him for something, eventually, even if all they can do is Martha Stewart his ass.
Florida isn't going to burn too terribly much. Watts might go up again, they're do for some inner city redecorating. Heck, maybe Detroit too....not that anyone would be able to tell from pre, and post riot pictures of the city.
After the fires are finally put out...the feds will step in to rebuild on our dime.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 07:36 AM (qoQi/)
Posted by: The original Touré all rights reserved at June 25, 2013 07:37 AM (4eNxd)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 07:37 AM (KvM9d)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 25, 2013 11:34 AM (4df7R)
It's gonna be masturbatorilly good, isn't it? :-)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:37 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Gaia Princess at June 25, 2013 07:38 AM (wsGWu)
BTW, has our exalted Preezy given his little speech about climate change yet? Or are we still eagerly anticipating it? And by "eagerly anticipating" I of course mean "eagerly anticipating the Horde's responses to it."
Mostly empty calories, but he did order the EPA to get busy on their carbon pollution restrictions....so give your A/C, your dishwasher, and wallet a warm hug goodbye.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 07:38 AM (qoQi/)
What a fucking disaster for the prosecution.. their own witness!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 25, 2013 07:39 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 25, 2013 11:34 AM (4df7R)
He'll be late. He always is. Narcissists are like that.
Posted by: Ed Gibbon at June 25, 2013 07:39 AM (4eNxd)
Florida isn't going to burn too terribly much. Watts might go up again, they're do for some inner city redecorating. Heck, maybe Detroit too....not that anyone would be able to tell from pre, and post riot pictures of the city.
The problem with Detroit burning is that the city has become so depopulated that would-be rioters would have to SEEK OUT other rioters to be able to cause havoc. To get a really good riot going you've got to have lots of angry people in close quarters. A couple of people throwing rocks through the windows of vacant businesses and empty homes just ain't going to cut it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:39 AM (4df7R)
As part of the ruling Tuesday, the court published a chart comparing white and black voter registration in 1965 and in 2004 in the six states originally covered by the law. In Alabama, for example, the white registration rate was 69 percent and the black rate 19 percent in 1965. By 2004, that gap had all but disappeared — 74 percent for whites and 73 percent for blacks.
Hmmm... what to do? Ah, legalese 20 million "immigrant" voters who will initially register at disproportionately lower rates.
There's our Casus Lexi.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 25, 2013 07:39 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 25, 2013 07:40 AM (6nbqo)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 11:37 AM (fwARV)
Isn't it always? 
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:40 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jackj at June 25, 2013 07:41 AM (KLJRT)
Posted by: Ed Gibbon at June 25, 2013 11:39 AM (4eNxd)
Oh, he'll definitely be late. The only question is HOW late. Five, ten, fifteen minutes? Or does he go a full half hour?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:41 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 25, 2013 07:42 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Lauren at June 25, 2013 07:42 AM (wsGWu)
1965 was the tail end of the civil rights movement. By the mid to late 70's attitudes changed significantly. It's doubtful that states would've continued overtly discriminatory practices in perpetuity.
It would be like suggesting that slavery would still exist today if not for the Civil War. Currently racism is viewed somewhere between child molestation and mass murder.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 25, 2013 07:43 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: DrewM. at June 25, 2013 07:43 AM (MbMSS)
Watts might go up again
Posted by: Sticky Wicket
Many of the former Black areas of LA have transitioned to Hispanic or mixed. Not sure there's a critical concentration for a good ol' 60s burn down.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 25, 2013 07:44 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 25, 2013 07:44 AM (8JJ6O)
Posted by: Jackj at June 25, 2013 07:44 AM (KLJRT)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 25, 2013 11:40 AM (4df7R)
Well. There's a line for my bunk, so I'd say yes.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:44 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 25, 2013 07:44 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 11:44 AM (fwARV)
lol!
But, hang on. If it's masturbatorally good, wouldn't the line to your bunk be unnecessary and superfluous?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:45 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lauren at June 25, 2013 07:46 AM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 11:32 AM (fwARV)
But wasn't the 2010 and the other reapportionment of seats based on the census, which counts everyone including illegals? I think so. The 14th Amendment says:
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.
This may be an added incentive to the Northern states to push the immigration bill, as the illegal counts have to be much higher in the southern border states. Turn those illegals into (Dem) voters, to counteract their impact on growing southern representation.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 25, 2013 07:46 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 25, 2013 11:44 AM (YmPwQ)
I'm just waiting for Obammy to flap his lip again. You know someone's bound to ask him his opinion of how the trial's going.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: RWC at June 25, 2013 07:47 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: JEM at June 25, 2013 07:48 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 25, 2013 11:45 AM (4df7R)
Unless everyone's using my bunk...
I need to invest in some bleach and some wipes.
Also, +2 for getting 'masturbate' and 'orally' in the same word.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:48 AM (fwARV)
So, just speculation. I would agree that the voting discrimination would not have continued forever but, as someone who went to segregated schools and remembers the Jim Crow South, it would have continued for decades. The original VRA, with it's short timetable, was a reasonable remedy. Of course, like all levers, the national Democrats used it for their own purposes. And the 25 year extension was just ridiculous.
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 25, 2013 07:48 AM (codCi)
But the 14th Amendment wasn't written when the 3/5 Clause was.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 07:49 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Jean at June 25, 2013 07:49 AM (CMlD4)
My charge of judicial activism is specific to the idea that the Court can say, "yes you have the authority to do this but we have the power to substitute our judgement of relevant data for yours" is troubling.
That's not what they said. They did not replace Congress' data with their own....just threw out the obsolete data Congress was using. Congress is still free to enforce Article 4 of the VRA, but they can no longer use the equivalent of buggy whips and donkey carts to justify their actions. It's the right ruling, IMO.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 07:49 AM (qoQi/)
"The pen Henry!" "What about the pen?" "The pen is mightier than the sword."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 11:27 AM (STdzY)
What's a Scrivener?
And no one's ever yelled, "Look out! She has a PEN!" =P
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 25, 2013 07:49 AM (oY6Yp)
Posted by: Here Come Da' Judge at June 25, 2013 07:50 AM (RZwdH)
Posted by: polynikes at June 25, 2013 07:50 AM (m2CN7)
Many of the former Black areas of LA have transitioned to Hispanic or mixed. Not sure there's a critical concentration for a good ol' 60s burn down.
Well...there's always DC!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 07:51 AM (qoQi/)
Posted by: RWC at June 25, 2013 07:51 AM (fWAjv)
Unless everyone's using my bunk...
I need to invest in some bleach and some wipes.
I recommend getting the namebrand good stuff. It's the only way to be sure.
Also, +2 for getting 'masturbate' and 'orally' in the same word.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 25, 2013 11:48 AM (fwARV)
I'm an 'ette. That's how we roll.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:51 AM (4df7R)
Joined late so forgive my ignorance...
Does this mean the New Block Panthers can continue to use nightsticks to intimidate voters accessing polls in Pennsylvania?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 25, 2013 07:51 AM (EGPJQ)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
Compton is alive and well. Well, not so well but ya know
Posted by: Cheri former Coast Guard at June 25, 2013 07:51 AM (G+Wff)
I'm just waiting for Obammy to flap his lip again. You know someone's bound to ask him his opinion of how the trial's going.
The Gosnell verdict? Oh, that was just some local crime story. Just the work of a rogue, low-level doctor that has no relevance to the topic of aborti.....sorry, what? The Trayvon Martin case?
My apologies, clearly this trial will have an impact on the national psyche and the verdict will determine if racism still exists in America.
Now watch this shank.
Posted by: President Sweaty McFourputt at June 25, 2013 07:51 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 07:52 AM (STdzY)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 25, 2013 11:49 AM (oY6Yp)
but according to CO legislators, a pen is my best defense against a rapist! They wouldn't LIE, would they? *huge eyes of alarm*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:52 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 25, 2013 11:39 AM (4df7R)
What if they started a riot and nobody came?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 25, 2013 07:52 AM (sGtp+)
Many of the former Black areas of LA have transitioned to Hispanic or mixed. Not sure there's a critical concentration for a good ol' 60s burn down.
Boner And Bitch will be front and center at that meeting. We're screwed.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 07:52 AM (qoQi/)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 25, 2013 07:52 AM (g1DWB)
Obama to meet with Congressional leaders on immigration reformThe Hill
Boner And Bitch will be front and center at that meeting. We're screwed.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 07:53 AM (qoQi/)
The judge can end this whole farce before the defense ever puts on their side if she thinks the state has blown their wad and come up empty.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 25, 2013 07:53 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 11:52 AM (STdzY)
Sounds like everybody's having computer trouble today! My IE keeps randomly shutting off.
...
<_<
>_>
*whispering* NSA? DOJ? Or CIA?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 07:54 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 07:55 AM (KvM9d)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at June 25, 2013 07:55 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Larry Fine at June 25, 2013 10:49 AM (YmPwQ)
And they will. They will strike down DOMA due to claims of federalism. And then they will kill federalism by declaring that gay marriage is a civil right determining that any and all bans against it is unconstitutional.
Posted by: buzzion at June 25, 2013 07:55 AM (LI48c)
http://tinyurl.com/pyo8b3o
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 07:56 AM (STdzY)
The judge can end this whole farce before the defense ever puts on their side if she thinks the state has blown their wad and come up empty.
The judge is very friendly to the prosecution. The defense will probably try this a few times throughout the trial....the judge will stomp on them.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 07:56 AM (qoQi/)
Compton is alive and well. Well, not so well but ya know
Posted by: Cheri former Coast Guard
The 2010 United States Census reported that the racial makeup of Compton was (32.9%) African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were (65.0%).
Unchecked immigration has really changed everything around these parts.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 25, 2013 07:57 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 25, 2013 11:52 AM
Never happen.
LBJ set the tone back in '65 when he poured tons of Government Free Shit into post-riot Watts. Ever since, destruction and looting have been "understood" and legitimized.
The rioters might have to grab a few buses to bring in enough window-breakers and torch-throwers but shouldn't find that too difficult.
And don't forget Saint Tom Bradley (a/k/a teh greatest mayor L.A. ever had, eleventy!!11!!) and his "understanding" why the first Rodney King riots happened.
As long as race-thugs (and their "understanding" white enablers) exist, we are at peril for fresh riots.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: Here Come Da' Judge at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (RZwdH)
http://tinyurl.com/pyo8b3o
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 25, 2013 11:56 AM (STdzY
And just the other day I said how things named after Obama will make Martin Luther King Blvd's across the country look like gated communities.
Posted by: buzzion at June 25, 2013 07:59 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:00 AM (4df7R)
Obviously. I was using your post to toss out a conjecture on the why the immigration bill push is so strong. Illegals count for representation purposes in redistricting.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 25, 2013 08:00 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 25, 2013 11:28 AM (jsWA
Coal plant operators should put their heads together and all agree to shut down for "routine maintenance" on December 15th. Force the public to recognize the fact that they need coal.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 25, 2013 08:00 AM (fNpC1)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 25, 2013 11:49 AM (oY6Yp)
but according to CO legislators, a pen is my best defense against a rapist! They wouldn't LIE, would they? *huge eyes of alarm*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 25, 2013 11:52 AM (4df7R)
The pen IS mightier than the sword, but not alas, than a Ruger 40 caliber
Posted by: Ed Gibbon at June 25, 2013 08:00 AM (4eNxd)
#350 CJR addresses this in his opinion. Cites previous SCOTUS rulings and the original cases that upheld the VRA. Congress can enact laws that treat states differently if there are extraordinary reasons that involve securing other Constitutional rights. Clearly securing the voting rights of minorities as guaranteed by the Fifteenth Amendment qualifies as such an extraordinary reason to treat states differently. This is why, on principle, Section 5 is not unconstitutional.
But what CJR says today is that Congress has to be VERY specific in defining how this differentiation between states/localities is exercised, and this has to be directly related to CURRENTLY EXISTING forms of discrimination, in order to justify it. It clearly did so in 1965 and again in 1972, but failed to do so in 2006.
What we have now is an empty law that allows all sorts of mischief by the Department of Justice in defining what may be a discriminatory change in voting laws.
I think it is a good ruling and very much in keeping with CJR's jurisprudence.
Posted by: rockmom at June 25, 2013 08:02 AM (Ea7Up)
Posted by: Here Come Da' Judge at June 25, 2013 08:03 AM (RZwdH)
Interesting, some legal bloggers are suggesting that Ginsburg is going to retire. She is reading all of her dissents this week, hinting that perhaps she is getting in her final licks before departing.
I'm sure a Supreme Court nomination battle is just what Obama wanted this summer. LOL
Posted by: rockmom at June 25, 2013 08:04 AM (Ea7Up)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2013 08:04 AM (KvM9d)
Posted by: eleven at June 25, 2013 08:04 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 25, 2013 08:05 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: Here Come Da' Judge at June 25, 2013 08:05 AM (RZwdH)
Posted by: JEM at June 25, 2013 08:06 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 25, 2013 11:25 AM (CJjw5)
If we get to line the roads with crucified bodies of progressives, like the romans did, count me the fuck in.
Posted by: Berserker at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Enraged Citizen at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (/sohm)
Involuntary manslaughter is the best they could ever do.
I'm not sure how you get Involuntary Manslaughter from intentionally shooting someone in the chest (justified or not).
I believe the prosecution is portraying Zimmerman as someone who had it in for Trayvon, started a confrontation and shot him maliciously out of anger.
Obviously the prosecution is politically motivated, but consider the facts- Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed person with no witnesses to back up his version of events.
I believe he acted in self defense, but under those circumstances it's not surprising that one would face arrest and trial.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 25, 2013 08:07 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: DrewM. at June 25, 2013 08:08 AM (MbMSS)
Posted by: Berserker at June 25, 2013 12:07 PM (FMbng)
*raises hand* Me, too!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 25, 2013 08:09 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Cowboy at June 25, 2013 08:10 AM (VRCBg)
Posted by: JEM at June 25, 2013 08:10 AM (o+SC1)
I believe he acted in self defense, but under those circumstances it's not surprising that one would face arrest and trial.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 25, 2013 12:07 PM (SY2Kh)
He has an eyewitness and injuries to back up his story. He did not face arrest and prosecution based on the original investigation.
Posted by: polynikes at June 25, 2013 08:12 AM (m2CN7)
Drew, you are a slimey weasily fascist and it's disgusting. The Supremes were trying to protect us, the people, from lawmakers who want to trod all over us.
I think maybe the next time the IRS tries to figure out how much taxes you owe, they ought to take the data from the year you earned the most revenue, then take the data from the year you had the least expenses and make your income tax you owe based on that..
....that is just as fair under their constitutional powers that you attribute to Congress as picking a particular point in U.S. history and attributing the facts from those days as being equivalent to the fact of these days.
For decades Congress has been trodding all over the sovereign rights of the folks in those areas (of which I am not one)...it would be understandable if those places took up arms and demanded the heads of those who have been responsible.
It makes me sick to my stomach to know that our federal government has been selectively treating states and counties in such an obscene unconstitutional manner and getting away with it.
Posted by: doug at June 25, 2013 08:13 AM (uJ8q7)
Posted by: Here Come Da' Judge at June 25, 2013 08:18 AM (RZwdH)
Posted by: DrewM. at June 25, 2013 08:23 AM (MbMSS)
#393 I suggest you read the opinion. It is plain English and very enjoyable to read. The Fifteenth Amendment prohibits any restrictions on voting based on race. The Voting Rights Act was enacted after Congress found that this right was being systematically denied in several states and counties. They had data at the time to back that up. They deemed this egregious enough to override the balance of states' rights with federal responsibilities. We can now look back and think that it was an extreme overreach, but there has been substantial case law around these issues and Roberts draws on that for his ruling that Section 5 itself is Constitutional. In this way he avoids the "judicial activism" tag by upholding Congress' prerogative to legislate in this way even if it does treat states differently.
But he also makes it clear that such extraordinary measures MUST be specifically related to actual current conditions that continue to deny people their right to vote under the 15th Amendment. The law as it stands now bases the differentiation on conditions that existed in 1972, which no longer exist and some of which haven't even been legal since 1965. He says that it is unconstitutional to require some states to submit every change to federal preclearance on that basis, but does not shut the door to other bases being found that would be constitutional. It sets a very high bar for Congress to find states and areas where voting rights are still being restricted or denied that would justify requiring preclearance of ALL future changes.
One thing that this is going to do in my opinion is force a very large national debate on voter ID laws. The Left argues that such laws do restrict voting rights of minorities and they say they have data that prove it.
Posted by: rockmom at June 25, 2013 08:23 AM (Ea7Up)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 25, 2013 08:26 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Jen at June 25, 2013 08:30 AM (OQ01T)
Posted by: Here Come Da' Judge at June 25, 2013 08:31 AM (RZwdH)
Lips flapping? My army of flies are ready.
http://tinyurl.com/38nlq7s
Posted by: Beezlebub at June 25, 2013 08:37 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 25, 2013 11:53 AM (qoQi/)
Don't tell me you didn't already know that!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 25, 2013 08:46 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, not a tax-exempt Hobbit at June 25, 2013 09:01 AM (42ZAm)
In terms of power grab, who was worse, FDR or Obama? And can we survive this?
Posted by: PJ at June 25, 2013 09:01 AM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: DrewM. at June 25, 2013 10:38 AM (MbMSS)
The thing to remember is that Congress never makes anything better by enacting legislation.
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