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October 26, 2013

Sebelius: Republicans Are To Blame For The Obamacare Rollout Faceplant
— JohnE.

Â“We did not have the luxury of that with a law that said itÂ’s go time on October 1st and frankly a political atmosphere where the majority party at least in the House was determined to stop this any way they possibly could including shutting down the United States government. So it was not an ideal atmosphere,Â” she said.

Just how in the hell could the shutdown, which started on the same damn day as healthcare.gov going live, be responsible for these clowns not testing the site? Unreal.

Posted by: JohnE. at 08:47 AM | Comments (208)
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1 Goddamned Liar.

Posted by: turfmann at October 26, 2013 08:48 AM (GgGgG)

2 Stupid bint.

Posted by: EC at October 26, 2013 08:48 AM (doBIb)

3 "It's anyone else's fault."

Fortunately for her, our nation's free and impartial media won't bother to point out the inanity of this argument.

Posted by: Hedley Lamar at October 26, 2013 08:49 AM (SPaCH)

They had the luxury of three years to get this abortion up and running.

Logic, how does it work?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 26, 2013 08:49 AM (0HooB)

5 Typical political hack. The franken skank makes me sick. Thank goodness we haz us a real Gov in fly over land now.

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at October 26, 2013 08:50 AM (9u2hL)

6 Well, she doesn't work for us anyway, just ask her.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 26, 2013 08:50 AM (0HooB)

7 Its all they got so that's what they are going with. Sadly it will probably work as the gop is worthless when it comes to advancing an agenda or defending itself.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 26, 2013 08:50 AM (nYpZB)

8 BintCare 2.0 will be much better, I'm sure.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 26, 2013 08:51 AM (ZshNr)

9 Why not Bush?

Posted by: garrett at October 26, 2013 08:51 AM (icgaO)

10 More Magickal Thinking from dumbasses. It won't work unless everyone really, really believes.

Posted by: real joe at October 26, 2013 08:51 AM (xXhgd)

>>"Just how in the hell could the shutdown, which started on the same damn day as healthcare.gov going live, be responsible for these clowns not testing the site?"

For the same reason a youtube video watched by 18 people could be responsible for the slaughters in Benghazi. Because they NEED it to be. It's not unreal at all -- it's all very real and perfectly predictable. They are NEVER responsible for failure. That is one immutable truth about the Left.

"The balls" is their greatest strength. Especially in a dynamic in which no one else has any.

Posted by: rrpjr at October 26, 2013 08:52 AM (F6mXV)

12 The next few month are going to be interesting.

Posted by: Felix Steiner at October 26, 2013 08:52 AM (/u4hc)

13 You better believe it's their fault!

Otherwise I might get fired.

Posted by: HHS Sec Syphilis at October 26, 2013 08:52 AM (MnSla)

14 I maintain that the dems never expected Obamacare to survive the Supreme Court so they never thought these lousy systems would ever go live.

Posted by: My Name is Nobody at October 26, 2013 08:52 AM (5Q1ZU)

15 Setting back Democrats another generation, congratulations Sebelius. How's the ulcer?

Posted by: bour3 at October 26, 2013 08:53 AM (5x3+2)

16 Reserach in Motion is not in the habit of delaying its own Blackberry products if Apple can't get theirs to work; Microsoft would probably love it if Apple folded. Apple somehow manages to deliver software, though, despite the lack of love. Ms. Sebelius, therefore, is off-base.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 08:54 AM (nr6q0)

17 She doesn't work for us? And the fault lies with people who have nothing what so ever to do with the project. Hum?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2013 08:54 AM (t3UFN)

18 Typical Drama Club: "Tinker Bell can fly, but only if you all believe!"

So when Tinker Bell crashes and burns, well, that's your fault. You there, with the tricorn hat. You didn't believe. You killed Tinker Bell. You killed Tinker Bell. Happy now, unbeliever in wonderful things?? Happy now??????.

I'm just surprised we haven't been inundated with Sebelius as Nurse Wratched photoshops. She's a natural.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at October 26, 2013 08:55 AM (DLu2s)

19 Scrunt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2013 08:55 AM (t3UFN)

20 Well, this is the ultimate admission on their part that this was a disaster. And unpopular.

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2013 08:56 AM (4+AaH)

21 It doesn't matter what *IS* the truth, all that matters is what gets reported and repeated. Welcome to Minitrue.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 26, 2013 08:56 AM (bb5+k)

22 The sad thing is that the uninformed numbskulls will believe her. And that includes the entire prime time lineup on MSNBC.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, blaming someone else for this post at October 26, 2013 08:57 AM (42ZAm)

23 4 They had the luxury of three years to get this abortion up and running. Logic, how does it work? Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 26, 2013 12:49 PM (0HooB) For Democrats, it works like an impediment, so they toss it out. But it's okay, their voters don't mind.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 26, 2013 08:57 AM (bb5+k)

24 We will also, of course, bring up the quaint little question of how much Democratic intransigence 2004-7 encouraged jihadis in Iraq to keep holding on. Since similiar Demo intransigence once worked for the North Vietnamese.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 08:57 AM (nr6q0)

25 It doesn't matter what *IS* the truth, all that matters is what gets reported and repeated.

***

Eurasia... war... you know the rest.

Posted by: cool arrow at October 26, 2013 08:57 AM (WMsq+)

I probably better not say what I'd like to do to her. Let's just say she wouldn't like it. It would still be a lot less than she and the bastards she works with/for deserve.

God damn the Democrats and the LIVs that put them in power. I want to see those suckers pay heavy and do it for decades.

Posted by: mac at October 26, 2013 08:58 AM (TMssB)

27 Why, that rotten [fill in whatever pops into your head as the worst possible word one could use to describe a human being]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no lie too enormous for these people to tell, with a straight face, in order to release themselves from responsibility for their incompetent evil.

This government is a Retarded Communist Ad-hocracy.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 26, 2013 08:58 AM (GoEpX)

28 You guys are funny. How did you not see this coming? Never mind that last week I told you they'd blame the Republicans, you've all seen this play out dozens of times before.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 08:58 AM (sDBkr)

29 Well there you go. History will show that when Obamacare first started, the Republican sequester and govt shutdown caused some glitches.

Posted by: yujin at October 26, 2013 08:58 AM (uNd+K)

30 That's a really lame excuse, even for Democrats. I don't see many people outside the media buying it.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 26, 2013 08:59 AM (4tK7k)

31 The reason this nation is going to break apart is not becaue, contra U.S. Army officialdom, that the "tea party" does it--it will be because Democrats simply will not accept their defeats. And that is unacceptable.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 08:59 AM (nr6q0)

32 That's a really lame excuse, even for Democrats. I don't see many people outside the media buying it.

***

You're familiar with Democrat voters, right?

Posted by: cool arrow at October 26, 2013 08:59 AM (WMsq+)

33 That's a really lame excuse, even for Democrats. I don't see many people outside the media buying it. Posted by: Purp at October 26, 2013 12:59 PM (4tK7k) Even the MSM will not buy that, well I mean other than MSNBC

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2013 09:00 AM (t3UFN)

34 Why not Bush?

Posted by: garrett at October 26, 2013 12:51 PM (icgaO)

Rahm Emanuel's brother, Dr. Mengele, tried to blame Bush last night on Megyn's show.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, blaming someone else for this post at October 26, 2013 09:01 AM (42ZAm)

35 They got their original budget allocation and more, from what I've read.

All other "facts" about the development of the portal are irrelevant.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at October 26, 2013 09:01 AM (efeGf)

36 If anybody needed confirmation as to why Obamacare is a colossal failure, look at Sebelius' face. She's the feminine twin of master campaigner, Barack Obama.

Posted by: Fritz at October 26, 2013 09:02 AM (TKFmG)

37 Admit it. The phrase "bitchslap" came to mind.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 26, 2013 09:02 AM (l0lja)

38 Not gonna go OT.

Posted by: Lincolntf Wake Forest up 14-3 over Miami at October 26, 2013 09:02 AM (ZshNr)

39 This is what kills me about my Friends On The Right. We've analyzed the shit outta of the Left. We know their M.O. so well we should be able to anticipate their every move and stop them in their tracks. Instead, our role is, apparently, to act outraged every time the Left acts like the Left.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:02 AM (sDBkr)

40 She's the feminine twin of master campaigner, Barack Obama.

***

A more feminine Obama? Talk about coals to Newcastle.

Posted by: cool arrow at October 26, 2013 09:02 AM (WMsq+)

41 The political theater of 2013 will consist of a repeated one act play:

Whatever happens, Dems blame Republicans, and Republicans will shrink, and shuffle their feet, and look all repentant, and accept the blame.

So why would ANYBODY expect the Dems to do anything any different?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2013 09:03 AM (BeSEI)

42 At best this lamer play only buys you a month or so worth of breathing room before its has to be your fault again, and this shit is looking at a minimum of 6 months before its functional.

Pathetic.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 26, 2013 09:03 AM (4tK7k)

43 39 -

Exactly. In a perverse way, I think it's a mix of envy and admiration.

The Dems are ALWAYS on point, they never stray from the message, and they have a simple strategy that ALWAYS works.

Blame Republicans. If you are the Dem party, why would you ever change anything?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2013 09:05 AM (BeSEI)

44 This is what true desperation looks like.

Failed projects proceed in 3 stages once the failure has become undeniable:

1) Search for the guilty.
2) Punishment of the innocent.
3) Awards/promotions for non-participants.

Obama is onto phase 2 now

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 26, 2013 09:06 AM (4tK7k)

45 Why wouldn't the Dumb People buy it??? When there's no one out there to call the Left on their lies, i.e., Bush; the Republicans, people will accept what the TV says.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:06 AM (sDBkr)

46 Of course, this really is of a piece for the Leftist worldview. They can only "achieve" when everyone praises their kindergarden coloring outside of the lines. Maybe they can get inside the lines within a decade or two. Too hard right now. Ms. Sebelius is the self-esteem movement writ large. Someone wanted them to fail, so they folded up completely.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 09:06 AM (nr6q0)

47 And that cuntpickle Juan McCain would have us believe the Tea Party is the problem.

Posted by: cool arrow at October 26, 2013 09:06 AM (WMsq+)

48 Blame it on me.
I flushed the toilet while somebody was taking a shower.

Posted by: NeoKong at October 26, 2013 09:07 AM (JWLwG)

49 I can see why Obama picked her. She has his instincts and experience. She is a bit more masculine though. Looks little like her young brother, Rachel Maddow too.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 26, 2013 09:07 AM (l0lja)

50 The webserver ate my homework.

Posted by: Ms. Sebelius at October 26, 2013 09:07 AM (uUvS8)

51 If anybody needed confirmation as to why Obamacare is a colossal failure, look at Sebelius' face. She's the more feminine twin of master campaigner, Barack Obama. Posted by: Fritz --------------- Fixed it for you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 26, 2013 09:08 AM (aDwsi)

"Faceplant"?

How 'bout "Epic fail"? One can hardly imagine a more public and obvious display of abject incompetence.

Posted by: Optimizer at October 26, 2013 09:08 AM (Mxt9o)

>>"Instead, our role is, apparently, to act outraged every time the Left acts like the Left."

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 01:02 PM (sDBkr)

I know. I don't get how we can't get them.

Most every conservative site spends nearly 100% of its time in various expressions of outrage. Breitbart was getting sick of it, and kept exhorting us to fight back. One of the last things he did was plunge into that OWS crowd in LA screaming at them to "stop raping people." He completely freaked them out. He freaked his friends out too. They were trying to restrain him (all those loving legatees of Breitbartism who've really done nothing to advance his true warrior spirit other than to continue to memorialize with due outrage the ongoing outrages of the Left).

We need to do a lot of more of taking it to the streets.

Posted by: rrpjr at October 26, 2013 09:09 AM (F6mXV)

54
Kathleen Sebelius is married to a Federal Magistrate, so the entire family is a covey of scrunts, louts, liberal buttboys, and knob gobblers.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 26, 2013 09:09 AM (pJF+c)

What's unreal is that quite a few, say 48% of the country, will believe her.

If this gets implemented and amnesty passes, no to be an alarmist, but the American Ideal will be done.

I'm beginning to consider how to encourage my children to embrace the ideals of America but NOT current day America. This hurts me.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 26, 2013 09:10 AM (CLfqv)

56 If this gets implemented and amnesty passes, no to be an alarmist, but the American Ideal will be done.

***

But on the upside, the collapse will happen that much faster, so the survivors will be able to pick up the pieces and rebuild sooner.

Posted by: cool arrow at October 26, 2013 09:12 AM (WMsq+)

57
If this rube worked for a Fortune 200, she would be on the street lickin' her dick from the ass kickin' she received on the way out the door.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 26, 2013 09:12 AM (pJF+c)

58 Burt, sometimes I wanna join the Democrats just be on the winning side for a change. I'm sick of sitting in the stands watching the Houston Republican Astros lose day after day.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:12 AM (sDBkr)

59 She looks and acts a lot like her father though. Former Governor John J. Gilligan of Ohio. He was an asshole too. Not surprised, really. Just wondering how long the legs of this particular lie are. People will believe it, because they WANT to believe it. Comrade Obama would never have let the software writing for the Healthcare Exchanges get so screwed up. Es Pravda!

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 26, 2013 09:13 AM (RFeQD)

60 55 Alfred. Remember Alfred. Always carry before you the memory and example of Alfred the Great, and don't give up.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 09:13 AM (nr6q0)

61 I love this multi-layered meltdown. Always remember: Blaming the Republicans for the Web site's failure doesn't make it work. So, yeah, go right ahead and blame blame blame your opponents; in the end you will still exist in a state of failure. The Democrats have developed a new school of philosophy: A malfunction is deemed "fixed" when someone else assumes blame for it.

Posted by: zombie at October 26, 2013 09:14 AM (+cx5n)

62 Ted Cruz stuck his neck out and half the Right ran for cover!

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:15 AM (sDBkr)

63 soothsayer -- I think the problem, the disbelief, is because the argument is so beyond even basic reasoning that those of us with more than two IQ points cannot see how anyone accepts it.

This is the child next to the broken cookie jar insisting that the dog, who has been dead two years, broke it.

No, scrunts like Sebelius and Lerner need to be IN. FUCKING. JAIL. Maybe when a few of them get the punishments they so richly deserve, this behavior will stop.

And if not? We can always build more prisons for the fucktarded ...

Sorry, but I can literally FEEL the vein in my forehead twitching over this scrunt's audacity ...

Posted by: acethepug at October 26, 2013 09:16 AM (luH5j)

64 If Julian Assange banged Norman Bates' mother, a Sebelius would come out.

Posted by: Lincolntf Wake Forest up 14-10 over Miami at October 26, 2013 09:16 AM (ZshNr)

The libs are no good motherfucking cocksuckers

It is past time for that national divorce

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at October 26, 2013 09:16 AM (R8hU8)

66 There is no lie too enormous for these people to tell, with a straight face,

Really, do I get no credit at all?

Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at October 26, 2013 09:17 AM (6TB1Z)

67 btw, you know who was on Bill Mahers crap show cackling and lying? Valerie Plame. We have Valerie frikkin Plame out there dumping on us! That should show you how much people 'buy' when it comes to Leftist Media Bullshit.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:17 AM (sDBkr)

68 Googling "obamacare epic fail" produces over 16M results...just saying.

http://tinyurl.com/plyzdrr

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 26, 2013 09:18 AM (4tK7k)

69 Surprised it took them this long. Figured the shutdown would be their first excuse.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at October 26, 2013 09:18 AM (QZkRD)

70 the disbelief, is because the argument is so beyond even basic reasoning that those of us with more than two IQ points cannot see how anyone accepts it.

What? It sounds good to me.

Posted by: Joey Choo Choo at October 26, 2013 09:18 AM (6TB1Z)

71 I just waiting for the point we find out it was the unknown unknowns that sank the roll-out. Going to chuckle then.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 09:18 AM (nr6q0)

72 25 It doesn't matter what *IS* the truth, all that matters is what gets reported and repeated. *** Eurasia... war... you know the rest. Posted by: cool arrow at October 26, 2013 12:57 PM (WMsq+) Who would have thought that both Huxley AND Orwell would have been right?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 26, 2013 09:19 AM (bb5+k)

73 that was a cheap ass shot.. Everybody knows I am the cause of all this trouble White Male Late 50's Conservative' Old School MSL affiliate Gun Ownwer Meat Eater large un ecofriendly Vehicle Driver Scorched Earth Policy with enemies

Posted by: jet Built Around Cannon at October 26, 2013 09:20 AM (5bB1J)

74 But on the upside, the collapse will happen that much faster, so the survivors will be able to pick up the pieces and rebuild sooner. Posted by: cool arrow What particular collapse are you talking about? People are always talking about "Let it burn!" or the big collapse is coming. I 've got news for you. Don't hold your breath. There's a lot of ruin in a nation, and things can go on this way for years and years yet. And it's always EASY to sit on the sidelines and snark on an anonymous blog setting and pretend to be so smart in seeing the coming collapse, and expect to be able to pick up the pieces afterwards. Because you are all so organized now.. If a REAL collapse came, I would wager most of us would be dead in a ditch in few weeks or months. The hungry mobs and EBT - welfare army-mob would pick us off one by one, as we stood defending our homes.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 26, 2013 09:20 AM (RFeQD)

75 The Sebelius Bullshit is meant for Democrat consumption. The White House believes their base is stupid enough to swallow it. Can you really blame them?

Posted by: Fen at October 26, 2013 09:21 AM (a422o)

76 The Obama Administration also claims that Napoleon's invasion of Russia would have been a success had not the Republicans shut down the government and wished ill will upon the French.

Posted by: Fritz at October 26, 2013 09:21 AM (TKFmG)

I know. I don't get how we can't get them.
Most every conservative site spends nearly 100% of its time in various expressions of outrage.

Maybe the big sites do, but over at my place, I'm all about solutions. Politicians just talk about the problems, it's up to us to come up with real solutions that actually work. This entire clown car administration is living in a fantasy world.

This is a Cold Cultural War of Ideas, waged between the ears. The Left uses short phrases and mischaracterizations of events in a Terminator-like determination to constantly drive their agenda.

We have truth on our side, but no one on "our side" seems to want to challenge them and their perverted worldview. What this does is separate those who can see Reality from the LIV's, who seem to be legion. The debacle of the 404Care rollout is Progressivismness writ large and should serve to make the LIVs sit up and take notice.

After enough people get their notices of HC cancellation in the mail and find out just how free OCare is, they'll start to question TFG and begin tallying his broken promises.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 26, 2013 09:21 AM (0HooB)

78 @ 75 You can come stay with me until the streets clear.. Like minded.. Thats the point..you will survive with like minded.. The Pedestrians.. Not so much..

Posted by: jet Built Around Cannon at October 26, 2013 09:23 AM (5bB1J)

79 The Sebelius Bullshit is meant for Democrat consumption. The White House believes their base is stupid enough to swallow it. Can you really blame them? Posted by: Fen THIS!!

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 26, 2013 09:23 AM (RFeQD)

80 With technical failures, everything that gets you falls into the known-unknown category.

80% or so of large software projects can be considered failures in one way or another.

The mathematical "fail-space" domain has been exhaustively mapped and explored over the last 50 years. There hasn't been a novel new way to fail discovered for at least 20 years.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 26, 2013 09:23 AM (4tK7k)

81 When I was tying my shoelaces this morning, one of them broke in my hands. Damn Republicans and their shutdown.

Seriously, I remember reading some interviews with older Chinese people who had survived the incredibly nasty, lethal Cultural Revolution. They acknowledged the horrors, but then would say things like "but maybe it was necessary". Leftists are unteachable. There is no crisis that will lead them to actually question their beliefs, because if they did that, the dam would burst and they would no longer be leftists.

For that reason, it is probably easier to reach people with a competence argument. And I don't think the Republicans need to do much of anything right now. The Friends of Obama are reporting a nice chunk of the truth, to the chagrin of Deal Leader, and the last thing we need is to turn it from "Oh, look, another Obamacare fail" to that formulation so beloved of the media "Republicans criticized the Obama administration today. They claim that..."

Posted by: Splunge at October 26, 2013 09:23 AM (bKA83)

82 She has bigger balls than Obama.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 26, 2013 09:23 AM (1hekh)

83 64 -

Republicans appear to have adapted the strategy of the big sister, standing next her 4 year old brother who just broke the cookie jar, waiting for mom to come in so she can say "see what my little brother just did? He's so stupid and irresponsible!"

Mom (the American people) come in, and instead of blaming junior for the broken cookie jar says "and what did YOU do to stop him BEFORE the jar got broken?"

That's how Republicans keep catching the blame. They never learn. Being the one who points out the mistakes of the other side only gets you lumped together with the other side, when the other side inevitably screws up.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2013 09:24 AM (BeSEI)

84 How did you not see this coming? Never mind that last week I told you they'd blame the Republicans, you've all seen this play out dozens of times before. Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 12:58 PM (sDBkr) They only get away with this because they have TOTAL CONTROL OF ALL MEANS OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Seems like we should have been doing something about this problem a long time ago.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 26, 2013 09:24 AM (bb5+k)

85 The Obama Administration also claims that Napoleon's invasion of Russia would have been a success had not the Republicans shut down the government and wished ill will upon the French. Posted by: Fritz at October 26, 2013 01:21 PM (TKFmG) But I thought it was the Republican's fault because they do not take Global Warming serious enough and that is why the Russian winters are so bad?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2013 09:24 AM (t3UFN)

86 That's right, zombie, there is a real event happening that will not go away by the usual demonization. It affects millions in a real not theoretical way.

Once the "glitch" is fixed, if it's ever fixed, more people will see the huge premium increases, and will freak out. And the pressure on Sebelius will grow as millions are canceled. Even the legacy media is repeating the big lie of "you can keep your plan if you like it. Period."

Game over.

Posted by: PJ at October 26, 2013 09:25 AM (ZWaLo)

87 A liberal acquaintance of mine uses the excuse that "They didn't have years to test the site since the law was being challenged. It wasn't until March when they could start work on it."

Hopefully 404Care covers ideological blindness.

Posted by: NR Pax at October 26, 2013 09:25 AM (ODsL5)

88 When you stop letting these flunkies dictate your terms and definitions then you can shed those chains..

Posted by: jet Built Around Cannon at October 26, 2013 09:25 AM (5bB1J)

89 81 I figure it is all pretty much known-knowns or known-unknowns, but wouldn't have driven home the point. To wit: Say what you want about his time as SecDef, D. Rumsfield *has* delivered products.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 09:25 AM (nr6q0)

90 69 -

Purp, "Republicans are to blame" gets you 91,300,000 hits.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2013 09:26 AM (BeSEI)

91 OT from Drudge: Marco Rubio is now backing off his push for comprehensive immigration reform, in favor of a piecemeal approach, which is what he wanted all along. He was just trying to influence the process in the Senate in that direction.

I'm not sure which is the bigger steaming fecal pile, Rubio or Sebaceous.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2013 09:27 AM (6TB1Z)

92 88 Counter: The Left legally challenges every law under the sun they don't like. They can deal with it.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 09:27 AM (nr6q0)

93 She has bigger balls than Obama.

***

That's what YOU think, bitch!

Posted by: Reggie at October 26, 2013 09:27 AM (WMsq+)

94 Well yes -- it's only logical. Because Republicans were determined to find fault with my Perfect Law, we had to hide any faults in my Perfect Law from them, which led to faults in my Perfect Law, which would have been a Perfect Law if not for Republican fault finding finding faults. Ergo: Republicans are at fault for all Faults in my Perfect Law.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at October 26, 2013 09:27 AM (1I4sj)

95 Today Sebileus, tomorrow Maddow, Tuesday Carney, Thursday NYTimes open ed, Sunday McCain.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at October 26, 2013 09:28 AM (QZkRD)

96 I'm not sure which is the bigger steaming fecal pile, Rubio or Sebaceous.

***

Rubio. Sebelius has never pretended to be anything other than what she is.

Posted by: cool arrow at October 26, 2013 09:28 AM (WMsq+)

97 95 Ergo: Republicans are at fault for all Faults in my Perfect Law.

Your Perfect Law was Perfect until someone looked at it funny. Then it fell apart into little shards of fail.

Posted by: Splunge at October 26, 2013 09:28 AM (bKA83)

98 re: for the Democrats' consumption Well, if that's the case, I wouldn't mind some Republican Bullshit for OUR benefit.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:28 AM (sDBkr)

99 Kathleen Cerberus. What did the other two heads have to say about the 404care rollout?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 26, 2013 09:29 AM (DHQv9)

100 "88 A liberal acquaintance of mine uses the excuse that "They didn't have years to test the site since the law was being challenged. It wasn't until March when they could start work on it."

Hopefully 404Care covers ideological blindness.

Posted by: NR Pax at October 26, 2013 01:25 PM (ODsL5)"

Then they didn't do a proper risk assessment up-front. It's still their fault.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at October 26, 2013 09:29 AM (efeGf)

101 And this is how you know we are winning. Now is not the time for outrage, its time to keep pointing and laughing. Its only going to get worse for liberals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2013 09:30 AM (g1DWB)

102 Sebelius obviously thinks ObamaCare is Schrodinger's Cat. It only works until someone questions whether it will work.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 09:31 AM (nr6q0)

103 How does she sleep at night? Seriously!

Posted by: no good deed at October 26, 2013 09:32 AM (k55Fc)

104 Health and Human Services (HHS) secretary Kathleen Sebelius on Friday urged potential healthcare consumers to disregard ObamaCare website horror stories and partisan bickering over the law. Speaking at a panel in San Antonio, Texas, Sebelius was asked what advice she would give to those seeking federal healthcare plans.Â“Sign up,Â” she said. Â“DonÂ’t believe what youÂ’ve heard. Just check it out, look at the prices, look at the plans.Â” I've looked at the prices and the DRs on the Plans and the Web Site is best part of obamadeath. Now choke on that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2013 09:32 AM (t3UFN)

105 How does she sleep at night? Seriously! Posted by: no good deed at October 26, 2013 01:32 PM (k55Fc) Alone. That I am sure of

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2013 09:33 AM (t3UFN)

106 104 How does she sleep at night? Seriously!

One theory: Pelosi has been giving secret lessons. First step is to burn that pesky conscience to ashes.

Posted by: Splunge at October 26, 2013 09:33 AM (bKA83)

107 If the sound of silent footsteps rushing over to join the Republicans in '14 is a sign of winning, then, yeah, we're winning.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:33 AM (sDBkr)

108 I have yet to see since this administration OR the Dem/Progressives came to power accept any responsibility for one thing that the participated in to crash the country.
From the demanded Bank loans for the housing fiasco crash, to actual illegal War, to Fast and Furious, Benghazi , to the Healthcare Jerkoff.
I've also seen anytime a Conservative stands up and tries to school the population we have the rest of the "conservative party leadership and their minions " jump them as the enemy instead of Those who caused our misery.

forgive me for pointing out that i don't feel we actually have leadership that has the wherewithall or the courage to help save the country's future.

bitter and depressed in america.

Posted by: willow at October 26, 2013 09:34 AM (nqBYe)

109 If Kathleen Sebelius and John Kerry had a love child, its face would be 2-dimensional with an aspect ratio of infinity.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2013 09:34 AM (6TB1Z)

110 @102...nah, single payer is coming. Taking the "tax" out of refund checks is prepping the ground.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at October 26, 2013 09:34 AM (QZkRD)

111 111 @102...nah, single payer is coming. Taking the "tax" out of refund checks is prepping the ground.

Lighten up, Francis. Not gonna happen. Enjoy the ride as this CF augers in.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2013 09:36 AM (6TB1Z)

112 An uncle of the 14-year-old accused of killing his teacher in a Massachusetts school and dumping her body behind the building said heÂ’s skeptical of the charges against his nephew Â— who he called a Â“perfect kid.Â” Yup. I want my daughters to bring a kids just like him to marry???????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2013 09:36 AM (t3UFN)

113 @102...nah, single payer is coming. Taking the "tax" out of refund checks is prepping the ground.

Lighten up, Francis. Not gonna happen. Enjoy the ride as this CF augers in.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2013 01:36 PM (6TB1Z)

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Vermont is going single payer .

Posted by: mama winger at October 26, 2013 09:37 AM (P6QsQ)

114 single payer is coming. Taking the "tax" out of refund checks is prepping the ground. Lighten up, Francis. Not gonna happen. Enjoy the ride as this CF augers in. Posted by: pep at October 26, 2013 01:36 PM (6TB1Z) No, actually unless we get rid of obamacare or dramatically alter it, a single payor is inevitable.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2013 09:37 AM (t3UFN)

115 103 Sebelius obviously thinks ObamaCare is Schrodinger's Cat. It only works until someone questions whether it will work. Posted by: T. Nice insight! Time for a fresh neologism to sum it up: SchrÃ¶dingerCare - (noun - A government program which exists in a stable functioning state until a Republican observes it, after which it becomes unstable and collapses.

Posted by: zombie at October 26, 2013 09:38 AM (+cx5n)

116 Vermont is going single payer . Posted by: mama winger at October 26, 2013 01:37 PM (P6QsQ) Well they are trying.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2013 09:38 AM (t3UFN)

117 104. With the coffin lid down. Arms folded across chest. Just like the other vampires.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 26, 2013 09:38 AM (l0lja)

118 I truly cannot understand why Ryan, Cantor and Boehner think it's a good time to hitch themselves to the amnesty wagon. Just look at what's happened to Rubio. I am especially disappointed in Ryan.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2013 09:38 AM (6TB1Z)

119 I have detested this woman since she used a time of great tragedy while Gov. of Kansas to attack Pres. Bush while he visited the site of the Greensburg tornado.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 26, 2013 09:38 AM (4ErLi)

120 So what she is saying is that the only way Obama can succeed is with an "ideal environment"? Isn't that the same as saying the only way he could win in poker is with 4 aces because he is such a lousy poker player?

Our greatest Presidents are known for succeeding in less than "ideal" environments - The Revolution, The Civil War, World War II, etc...

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at October 26, 2013 09:39 AM (+9xNn)

121 Vermont is going single payer .

They also send Bernie Sanders to DC. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2013 09:39 AM (6TB1Z)

122 Why wouldn't the Dumb People buy it??? When there's no one out there to call the Left on their lies, i.e., Bush; the Republicans, people will accept what the TV says. Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 01:06 PM (sDBkr) Once again, you would think we would have done something about this by now. What to do? Take over, or destroy the existing media.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 26, 2013 09:40 AM (bb5+k)

123 109 -

I'm with you, Willow. People used to make fun of Newt, but BEFORE he took over the leadership of the Rs in Congress, he was out there on the Sunday morning shows, doing speeches, going anywhere and everywhere, selling an ALTERNATIVE to the D party's ways.

People saw somebody with a rational combination of criticisms of the left, combined with ideas for something better.

Today's R party does not seem interested in trying to do anything resembling engaging the American people in a discussion of what will work.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2013 09:40 AM (BeSEI)

124 115 Could be. Sometimes the good guys just lose. For example, UVa is down 14-3 right now. Oh well. Fight the good fight as long as you can.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 09:41 AM (nr6q0)

125 btw, I didn't have a chance to respond to Drewm's "Hillary Is Not Inevitable" post. holy carp, how obtuse can you be! The only way Hillary Clinton is not the next potus is if she screws it up with something major. Benghazi? Oh please.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:41 AM (sDBkr)

126 29 Well there you go. History will show that when Obamacare first started, the Republican sequester and govt shutdown caused some glitches. --- Before it's over, it'll be known as Bushcare.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 26, 2013 09:42 AM (PjgvN)

127 >>nah, single payer is coming. Taking the "tax" out of refund checks is prepping the ground. No, no its not.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2013 09:42 AM (g1DWB)

128

For a stupid scrunt like Sebelius, it's always someone else's fault.

As for Sebelius being a stupid scrunt, well I blame her parents. And they'll probably blame Herbert Hoover.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at October 26, 2013 09:44 AM (0fuCe)

129 King Barak: I Love My Peasants

http://youtu.be/g6S_9E60BDY

Posted by: HHS Sec Syphilis at October 26, 2013 09:44 AM (MnSla)

130 Those bunglers blew it with Benghazi so badly. You know what 'Benghazi' means to the LIV dummies? It means that thing the Republicans are always bringing up. Nothing more.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:44 AM (sDBkr)

131 115 -

In the absence of anything like an idea coming from the Republicans, the ideas will come from the Democrats. Of course, what they want is single payer.

It's so obvious, I can't think of any other possible outcome.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2013 09:45 AM (BeSEI)

132 An uncle of the 14-year-old accused of killing his teacher in a Massachusetts school and dumping her body behind the building said heÂ’s skeptical of the charges against his nephew --- Damn dirty lying security video.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 26, 2013 09:46 AM (PjgvN)

133 "You know what 'Benghazi' means to the LIV dummies?"

Ben Gazzi? Wasn't he that Mafia dude on the Sopranos?

Posted by: LIV Dummies at October 26, 2013 09:48 AM (42ZAm)

134 126 -

I didn't read Drew's post, but I'm still of the belief that the multitude of the D party wants to be wooed by a new suitor. Hillary, that is not.

I don't know who it is (Booker probably won't cut it), but it'll be somebody new and "sexy," in something of the same way that Bill Jeff and Bronco were new and sexy. Heck, these idiots ALMOST nominated John Edwards.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2013 09:49 AM (BeSEI)

135 122. Vermont is also constantly threatening to secede from the US.

Posted by: Keena at October 26, 2013 09:50 AM (KnxmT)

136 3 years ago if I told you homos would be openly serving in the military, along with special programs to 'celebrate diversity' in the milirary AND the Marines would change their dress uniform hats to resemble the French Foreign Legion hats from the Bugs Bunny cartoons, you woulda said... NAH.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 09:50 AM (sDBkr)

137 the balls for the link.

Posted by: JB at October 26, 2013 09:50 AM (K/J3u)

138 136 King Maple will probably do as well in getting foreign intervention as King Cotton.

Posted by: T. at October 26, 2013 09:53 AM (nr6q0)

139 >>In the absence of anything like an idea coming from the Republicans, the ideas will come from the Democrats. Of course, what they want is single payer. >>It's so obvious, I can't think of any other possible outcome. Republicans have been releasing plans. Quite a few actually. Just released one last month that was led by Phil Roe of Tenn and Steve Scalise of LA. Roe is a doctor so he probably has a little more working knowledge of health insurance than say Obama. Some of you keep forgetting that the vast majority of people had health insurance before this clusterfuck was introduced and they were more or less content. Obama had to keep repeating the lie that if you like your health insurance, doctor, etc., to sell this garbage because people did not want to change. Now those who were too stupid to see the truth are finding out they were lied to and they are getting pissed. And you think those same people are going to be totally psyched to these same assclowns to throw them on what amounts to Medicare? Good luck with that one.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2013 09:54 AM (g1DWB)

140

106 How does she sleep at night? Seriously!

Upside-down. From the ceiling. Of her attic.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 26, 2013 09:54 AM (DHQv9)

141 So, Sebelius took Hollowpoint's phone call.

Posted by: eman at October 26, 2013 09:54 AM (AO9UG)

142 141 106 How does she sleep at night? Seriously! Upside-down. From the ceiling. Of her attic. Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 26, 2013 01:54 PM (DHQv9) In a cocoon of her own wings. Note: stolen from Scrubs.

Posted by: eman at October 26, 2013 09:56 AM (AO9UG)

143 i've taken some kind of solace in a song i downloaded today from Itunes by AWOLNATION called "Kill Your Heroes." Part of the chorus says, "Well I met an old man dying on a trainÂ…he said never let your fears decide your fateÂ…" It resonates with me today despite all of shittiness in the world. Just thought i'd share it with the horde. A good song with a nice beat.

Posted by: Secret Squirrel at October 26, 2013 09:56 AM (0SmH0)

144 We did not have the luxury of that with a law that said itÂ’s go time on October 1st

It's Go Time!!

Posted by: Izzy Mandelbaum at October 26, 2013 10:00 AM (aTXUx)

145 OT
Marcia Wallace, Star of 'The Simpsons' and 'Bob Newhart Show,' Dies at 70

http://tinyurl.com/k952cos

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 26, 2013 10:00 AM (MnSla)

146 If she was smarter she would be saying she tried to stop Ted Cruz and the other Tea Party people from launching this flawed Web site but that they demanded that the Government be turned back on. She's killing the Democrats and RINOs. Even Joe Biden is smart enough to keep his name from being tied to this.

Posted by: Huggy at October 26, 2013 10:02 AM (5gDRC)

147

Vermont is also constantly threatening to secede from the US.

Where they gonna go? Canada?

Posted by: garrett at October 26, 2013 10:02 AM (icgaO)

148 Carol from Bob Newheart won't be down for breakfast? Sad. I think she voiced Mrs Crabapple, mostly.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 10:02 AM (sDBkr)

149 They only get away with this because they have TOTAL CONTROL OF ALL MEANS OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Seems like we should have been doing something about this problem a long time ago.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 26, 2013 01:24 PM (bb5+k)

THIS^^^^

Posted by: LGoPs at October 26, 2013 10:03 AM (mH39m)

150 Yep she was Miss Krabappel on the Simpsons

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 26, 2013 10:04 AM (MnSla)

151 Later

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 26, 2013 10:04 AM (MnSla)

152 She had a damn good acting career for a woman with no chin.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 10:05 AM (sDBkr)

153 It's magical thinking. The website failed because of a lack of positive thinking in America.

Posted by: Phelps at October 26, 2013 10:06 AM (05043)

154 Okay, so here's what's next: Democrats will launch an all-out campaign blaming Republicans for not 'helping' make obamacare work. Why do the Republicans want to prevent people from getting health care just to satisfy their extremist tea party base and win elections? will be what Democrats run on '14, starting in a few weeks.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 10:10 AM (sDBkr)

155 This is the basic quality of being scum sucking liberal. Accept no responsibility for anything that goes wrong and all the credit for anything that goes right. And these are our future foxhole mates??? You can count me out

Posted by: RIK at October 26, 2013 10:15 AM (qwsWG)

156 The EBT Stopped working cuz raciss' Republicans jacked Obama's stash!

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at October 26, 2013 10:17 AM (xKe6Y)

157 I laugh at those who are amazed by the perfidy of this woman. Do you actually think she has anything resembling a moral compass? She claims to be a devout member of the Roman Church. BUT, she says there is nothing wrong with killing an unborn child right up to the day he or she is born. BUT, she not only takes money from partial birth abortionists, she actively solicits it. A person cannot be a Roman Catholic unless they subscribe to Roman Catholic doctrine. And the Church's stand on abortion is pretty basic and has been for generations. Ergo, she is either a consummate liar or mentally unbalanced or both. Never forget that she was sired into the political class. Her father was Jack Gilligan, former Democrud governor of Ohio and House member. Her husband is a federal magistrate and himself the son of a congressman. So, she is right about one thing. She doesn't work for the people. The people exist to support her and the other members of Amerika's ruling political class. Maybe some day, they will let us eat cake. "What is truth?" Pontius Pilate

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at October 26, 2013 10:18 AM (O7OxF)

158 Remember.. it's not a lie if YOU believe it

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius Costanza at October 26, 2013 10:20 AM (aTXUx)

159 Don't forget, she is also in charge of the death panels.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at October 26, 2013 10:24 AM (O7OxF)

160 Sebelius should be fired, but she hasn't said anything bad about Valerie Jarrett. Is that really the only thing that SCOAMF fires people?

Posted by: CarolT at October 26, 2013 10:24 AM (z4WKX)

161 Hands up anyone who didn't see this coming. Of course the Media will pick this up too, and hammer it the way they'd never hammer anything that could be pinned on Democrats.

And the Dems will probably win the House.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Null at October 26, 2013 10:26 AM (xjpRj)

162 Off topic, but I'm drinking a White Russian. Equal parts vodka, Kahlua, and half-and-half. Yummy, it is. Do carry on.

Posted by: rickl at October 26, 2013 10:27 AM (sdi6R)

163 Rickl, I like to throw in some Coke and make it a Colorado bulldog.

Posted by: no good deed at October 26, 2013 10:34 AM (k55Fc)

164 Okay, so here's what's next:
Democrats will launch an all-out campaign blaming Republicans for not 'helping' make obamacare work.
Why do the Republicans want to prevent people from getting health care just to satisfy their extremist tea party base and win elections? will be what
Democrats run on '14, starting in a few weeks.
Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 02:10 PM (sDBkr)

Yep, this is pretty much what I'm seeing. I expect 2014 to be the helpful GOPers who helped Obama with an amnesty Christmas gift vs. the unhelpful unpeople teahadis. Meanwhile, the unpopular donks kick back and coast to victory.

Posted by: mugiwara at October 26, 2013 10:35 AM (hpYnL)

165
I would not have released any software that had not been thoroughly tested, or at least test driven by Joe Biden so the full blame for it's fuck-up could be attributed to the dark one and his buttboy Biden. I'm ready, put me in coach!

Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton at October 26, 2013 10:35 AM (pJF+c)

166 Just how in the hell could the shutdown, which started on the same damn day as healthcare.gov going live, be responsible for these clowns not testing the site? As long as the media is part of their team, logic and common sense are optional.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 26, 2013 10:36 AM (/IXKu)

167 I heard that The House has 19 working days left this year. I may have heard it in the radio, or Hannity radio or television show. This is only website I've visited all week. I don't think they have enough time to pass amnesty. WTF 19 working days?

Posted by: CarolT at October 26, 2013 10:39 AM (z4WKX)

168

T., you beat me to it.

The GOP response to this - and they ought to make a galactically huge thing of it, by connecting it to very noisy and relentless calls for her resignation - should (as always!) make larger points that have long needed to be made.

"Secretary Sebelius should resign, as should all the political appointees who have shown such arrogance and incompetence in trying to implement their disastrous, unconstitutional program to destroy the best health care system in the world."

"This administration had three years to build its engine of destruction aimed at America's health care system. I'd like them to explain how a "political atmosphere" affects the writing of code, the training of staff, the making of numerous decisions to hide the true disastrous costs of this attack on America."

"A few short years ago, the worst criminals on earth, the terrorist garbage that was murdering Iraqi children and attacking election workers, were able to draw some small hope from the idiotic and cowardly behavior of Democrats in under-cutting our war in Iraq. Now THAT was a political atmosphere causing real damage - contributing directly to the deaths of coalition soldiers and Iraqi civilians."

"Democrats have real blood on their hands for their despicable behavior during the Iraq war. And now these same Democrats will have blood on their hands for destroying the world's best health care system. Obviously there is no sense or shame in these people, so the only way to get rid of them is for Americans to finally wake up and protect themselves, their children's futures, and the badly damaged republic they were so lucky to be born into."

Posted by: non-purist at October 26, 2013 10:41 AM (afQnV)

169 It's sickening that these idiots say stuff like this. It's maddening that their media lapdogs lick up and regurgitate this bile. The worst, however, is that more than half the country are complete imbeciles who have willingly become slaves to the state and will believe all this shit as gospel. There really is no going back or saving this country anymore. The Republic is dead and at leaf 52% of the citizens of this socialist democracy really want this stuff. Let the burning times begin.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 26, 2013 10:48 AM (j0wOO)

170 Non-purist, The GOP should do that, but they won't. Cruz & Lee & new leaders in the party will. I consider them to be the leaders because the rest don't do a damn thing.

Posted by: CarolT at October 26, 2013 10:54 AM (z4WKX)

171 The Glitch Bitch

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 26, 2013 10:55 AM (4qdsJ)

172 Democrats blamed Paul Ryan.and the Republicans for Benghazi, remember? Paul Ryan's proposed budget made 'cuts' to embassy security funds. So if this shocks you, you probably have Alzheimer's.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2013 10:56 AM (sDBkr)

173 Private sector equivalent We did not dare roll out our new product because our competitors would offer better alternatives, and at a better price. Saying something like that would get your ass fired in a heartbeat, you stupid bint.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at October 26, 2013 10:57 AM (A2sQP)

174

JackStraw, your optimism is interesting, and would have been pretty sound in a different country (say, 10 years ago, even). Today? Sure this is hitting people very directly in a way most of the degradation of the last few years has not. But still. An electorate that has been so degraded that it would re-elect such an embarrassing, offensive, disastrous joke of a president in 2012 cannot be assumed to have even minimal self-serving instincts operational.

Those who are hurt by this catastrophe have to possess a framework that will allow them to intelligently analyze what's happened to them in order to adapt and improve their behavior. This they utterly lack, as is beyond dispute. So pain will not inevitably lead to more intelligent voting. Not at all.

And the GOP, of course, has a gigantic role to play in providing/creating that intelligent framework. And introducing a few bills isn't close to adequate. Unless and until the GOP starts making substantive points to educate/rescue the public square from the orwellian delusion it has become (on these key issues), we are at the mercy of random factors.

But how small, how miniature in character and intellect would an opposition party be that - amidst this titanic disaster affecting as you say almost everyone, in addition to the greatest domestic scandal of US history (politicization of the IRS), rampant lawlessness and de facto rule by decree from the WH, and continued fiscal and economic insanity - it responds by ....... wait for it ..... turning to immigration "reform" (amnesty) as its priority matter.

I may be misunderstanding you, but it appears implicit in your approach here that the GOP can just sit tight and wait for the electorate to come to it. That's worked in the past - but, as is no surprise, led to fairly disastrous GOP behavior in the aftermatc. In other words, it didn't really work at all.

Posted by: non-purist at October 26, 2013 10:58 AM (afQnV)

175 Note to future societies: This is what happens when you raise children on participation trophies, 'retest 'till you pass' schools, affirmative action, and college degrees in stuff that doesn't really exist. In reality, often times even good ideas and hard, well planned work result in failure. Understanding this sad fact of life and move on in a productive way used to be part of becoming and adult. Of course, that was in the days when 26 year olds were not considered dependents.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 26, 2013 10:59 AM (j0wOO)

176 This is the only excuse they have. And all they are good at is making excuses.

Posted by: Mallamutt,

Perpetual agitation is our duty, comrade.

Posted by: Your average leftie [/i] [/b] at October 26, 2013 11:00 AM (xz0nG)

177 Rejoice. SMOD is actually here (ahead of schedule): Sebellius-Moonbat of Dissembling

Posted by: Worst President Ever at October 26, 2013 11:00 AM (+eZxu)

178 ackStraw, your optimism is interesting, and would have been pretty sound in a different country (say, 10 years ago, even). Today? Sure this is hitting people very directly in a way most of the degradation of the last few years has not. But still. An electorate that has been so degraded that it would re-elect such an embarrassing, offensive, disastrous joke of a president in 2012 cannot be assumed to have even minimal self-serving instincts operational.

May I remind you that that country you admire so much elected Woodrow Wilson twice and FDR four times. Things may have changed, but not completely.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2013 11:00 AM (6TB1Z)

179 She's going to get away with saying it, isn't she.

Posted by: m at October 26, 2013 11:01 AM (fzFaG)

180 You have to remember that people who would support Obama for President will believe pretty much anything. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Posted by: Adjoran at October 26, 2013 11:04 AM (473jB)

181 69 & 91 Google "Democrats are to blame" = 81,870 results

Posted by: Lola at October 26, 2013 11:04 AM (Y4L2Q)

182 183 69 & 91

Google "Democrats are to blame" = 81,870 results

Hmmm, I googled "democrats are to blame for shutdown" and got 115,000,000.

Maybe I have another version than the one you used.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2013 11:07 AM (6TB1Z)

183 Just getting all the BS dictated to the MSM before she goes under the bus.

Posted by: DaveA at October 26, 2013 11:08 AM (DL2i+)

184 177 Note to future societies: This is what happens when you raise children on participation trophies, 'retest 'till you pass' schools, affirmative action, and college degrees in stuff that doesn't really exist. In reality, often times even good ideas and hard, well planned work result in failure. Understanding this sad fact of life and move on in a productive way used to be part of becoming and adult. Of course, that was in the days when 26 year olds were not considered dependents. Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 26, 2013 02:59 PM (j0wOO) And you, sir or madam, are a steely-eyed missle man!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at October 26, 2013 11:09 AM (A2sQP)

185 181 She's going to get away with saying it, isn't she. Posted by: m at October 26, 2013 03:01 PM (fzFaG) Of course she is. Heck, she'll probably get some kind of medal for bravery in a couple weeks, followed by a bunch of galas in her honor for her hard work. Meanwhile, McCain will likely go on the Sunday talking head shows tomorrow and agree with her and Boehner will hold a presser next week and cry and apologize for being mean. The usual suspects will take to their microphones on Monday and decry this so that they can keep their conservative audiences. Not that it matters. Most people are too busy using their EBTs to stock up on Thanksgiving dinner and Christmas gifts or "Keeping up with the Kardashians".

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 26, 2013 11:09 AM (j0wOO)

186

pep, I was thinking more of the country that ejected Carter like an organism ejects some infectious intrusion, and the country that handed the Dems a very rare not-in-the-WH mid-term congressional defeat in 2002 due to their post-9/11 behavior, and - um, barely - the country that put Dubya back in in 2004 because the opposition was just not palatable in war-time. So - a negative trend even in that slice of history.

As for "the country I so admire" - ummm, I feel as little connection to this country now as I do to a rural Chinese village, a suburb of Buenos Aires, or a small town in Austria. I just live here. (and that's a journey of 10 billion light-years, all accomplished in about 7 years)

Posted by: non-purist at October 26, 2013 11:17 AM (afQnV)

187 Issue a subpoena, place her under oath, ask for specific instances of problems that the government shutdown caused for Obamacare implementation. Hold her in contempt if he refuses to testify. If she lies, charge her for perjury.

Posted by: Disgusted at October 26, 2013 11:21 AM (gJ3iZ)

188

For those of you who might have thought things could not get more degraded than they were in the past few years, well here you are. A collapsed public square in terms of information is key of course, but the lack of an opposition party is also. And that - effectively - is what we have. Those who regard "politics" as sports, and attach themselves to teams and players, seem incredibly blind to this. Recall we only have the pathetic spectacle of a Speaker Boehner because political forces and personalities he and his ilk and apologists neither understand nor like lifted his party, nearly against its will if you recall the run-up to 2010, to a position of power.

Sebelius is just rubbing America's face in its own pathetic degradation. If there is no response from the "opposition" party, she will be shown to have made a good call.

Posted by: non-purist at October 26, 2013 11:30 AM (afQnV)

189 As a Kansan, I apologize that it was my state that put this wicked witch on the national political map. I warned people when they voted for her years ago that she would use the governorship as a stepping stone to national office. I was so, so right. Now the whole country is suffering from her malevolence.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 26, 2013 11:33 AM (afLO3)

190 non-purist I'm not optimistic about politicians of any stripe because they all ultimately fall short. Part of it is baked into the system, the other side gets to vote too, and part of it is the nature of politicians. They are by nature hugely egotistical and self-serving. Very few will knowingly fall on their sword and give up their sweet jobs for the sake of doing right by their constituents. And being a constitutionalist is hard, a hell of a lot harder than being a liberal. People often forget that. It's much easier to attack the status quo and play on peoples emotions and non-sensical positions of "fairness". And the job has gotten harder as our population has gotten dumber. We are always on defense, that's the nature of trying to preserve traditional values and policies. It is an inherently less sexy and thus less popular position amongst the great unwashed masses and their cheerleaders in the msm. We are always the demons and liberals are always the champions of the little guy. Dumb, I know, but when you are dealing with a dumbed down population thats the playing field. But I am optimistic that Obamacare is not only going to be a spectacular train wreck it is going to severely damage the credibility of liberalism and big government. That's because we have a secret weapon that liberals don't. It's called reality. And a big part of reality is math. People are now obsessing about the Obamacare website and with good reason. It is a disaster and no amount of liberals trying to blame Republicans for the screw ups is going to work. But thats the good news for liberals. The bad news is that it will eventually get fixed or a work around will be developed and then the horror of what this law really is will be totally unveiled. And people will hate it. And no amount of liberal promises or Obama magic will change that. There is simply no way this plan can be implemented without enormous increases in insurance costs and degradation in service. That has been obvious to anyone who can do math and has even a basic understanding of how health insurance in the US works. Two things Obama and team clearly lack. So yes, I have been saying for months that the best thing Republicans can do is get the hell out of the way and let this thing implode. And that is exactly what is happening. Don't get in the way of your opponent when he is beating himself. The reason that old saying is an old saying is because its true. There will be plenty of time for Republicans to tell people they tried to warn them and that only by electing more of them can we get things put back right. But first Republicans need to give liberals time to discredit themselves without giving them any ammo to claim the only reason things failed is because hard hearted Republicans fought them. And I don't think we are going to see amnesty any time soon. I've been hearing people tell me it is a done deal since the Senate passed their craptastic bill months ago. The House still hasn't done squat and seems even less likely to produce something realistic after the shutdown. Hell, even Rubio is backtracking as fast as possible. But that is a battle for a different day.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2013 11:34 AM (g1DWB)

191 She can say pretty much whatever she likes without fear of repercussions. Remember, in Obama World, results don't matter as long as you meant to do well.

Besides, it is pretty obvious she has a deal with Obama. He won't fire her or try to make her the scapegoat; she won't tell about all the White House interference for political reasons that made it impossible to complete the project properly on time.

Funny how those things work out. And how about Michelle's friend who turns out to be a high exec at the company that got the no-bid deal, ran the $97 million up to $270+ on overruns, and still didn't deliver the project in working order? Small world, isn't it?

Posted by: Adjoran at October 26, 2013 11:59 AM (473jB)

192 JackStraw, I like what you are saying about reality on our side. My feeling is that about 25% of the population leans naturally toward statism, and they are too stubborn and married to their wishful thinking to ever change that. Perhaps another 25% of the population leans conservative, but they are often misinformed. Then there are the people in the middle who don't have strong feelings one way or the other. These people and the conservative leaning people are the ones that may be shaken out of their sleep by this disaster. I think it will give us an opportunity to make inroads, if we will take it. What I also see happening is a similar thing to what happened to the country during Prohibition. As government encroaches more and more, the underground economy and civil disobedience is going to increase. I have a certain faith that the American people aren't going to stand for us going totally the way of Brazil or even France because we have a memory of past prosperity that will not be easy to get rid of. I think it is still in our national character to fight and do what is necessary when push come to shove.

Posted by: Stephie at October 26, 2013 12:18 PM (HBRB0)

193 >>I think it is still in our national character to fight and do what is necessary when push come to shove. As do I. I agree with Churchill, Americans will always do the right thing after exhausting all the alternatives. I guess we're about to find out.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2013 12:28 PM (g1DWB)

194 101: Then they didn't do a proper risk assessment up-front. It's still their fault.

Doesn't matter. Getting through their reality filter takes explosives. All they see is "Free shit from Uncle Sugar!"

Posted by: NR Pax at October 26, 2013 12:28 PM (ODsL5)

195 Pathetic. Simply frickin' pathetic. What a piece of work.

The 'rats are going crazy with this 404care fubar/snafu/fustercluck and it would be funny but for the harm it is visiting on so, so many as well as this great country.

The problem for them, as I understand it, is that they are waaaaaay away from fixing the website which is the most important part of the O-care fraud. Indeed, while you can print and send in a paper application, the government worker bees still have to enter the data via the website and face the same problems. Unfuckingreal. ~snicker~

Posted by: eureka! at October 26, 2013 01:22 PM (hmMJD)

196

Meh. Doesn't matter. Imo, the situ is clear...

No one will ever vote to take away their welfare checks.

The number of people on the dole is greater than the number who aren't.

The republican party is dead.

The nation is toast.

Posted by: drolmorg at October 26, 2013 01:38 PM (yhTsw)

197

Sooooo, who set the October 1 2013 date? Right. The Democrats.

Who offered to delay the start date? Right. The Republicans.

So, obviously, the Republicans are at fault for them not being ready.

Posted by: wimpy at October 26, 2013 01:46 PM (GYexq)

198 Obamacare is a claw back of the earned income credit.

Posted by: Huggy at October 26, 2013 01:56 PM (5gDRC)

199 Obama is a functional Libertarian. By shutting out the Clintons, Mccains, and Romneys and fully empowering Lois G. Lerner he has destroyed the DC power structure.

Posted by: Huggy at October 26, 2013 02:01 PM (5gDRC)

200 C- word

Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 26, 2013 02:15 PM (4A6is)

201 shun the non-believer! shuuuuuunnnnnn!

Posted by: charlie the unicorn at October 26, 2013 02:49 PM (Ph479)

202 If the Republicans weren't such negative nellis, the Obama administration would totally have shared the credit for the wild success of ACA with them, if it had been turned out competently.

This seems so obvious to me.

*chews contemplatively on a hallucinogenic toad that has been dipped in embalming fluid*

Posted by: lauraw at October 26, 2013 04:27 PM (yGblt)

203 Anyone else notice in this clip particularly, how bad her purple drinker's nose is? The makeup ain't cutting it kathleen.

Posted by: Roscoe at October 26, 2013 05:23 PM (Tlsnj)

204 She is The Evil Twin of the even eviler Pelosi! Just watch her! She waves around that annoying hand the exact same way Pelosi does whenever she's also up in front of a podium/microphone!

Posted by: disgusted at October 26, 2013 05:26 PM (iMISt)

205 She could have played that sick biatch in Blue Velvet.

Posted by: torabora at October 26, 2013 06:22 PM (vTEsW)

206 The comment that struck me was faulting 'the majority party' ...do they know something about the numbers that isn't being reported?

Posted by: Kc at October 26, 2013 07:29 PM (DJmkt)

207 Did anyone here ONE Republican leader respond to this charge? Nope. So, guess what? It will work. The Republicans will be blamed for all the problems with Obamacare, and it WILL stick. Without one peep from John Boehner, without one rebuttal from Reince Reibus, and without one single press conference held on the Capital steps, this outright lie will work. This is why Republicans lose. This is why so many people hate the Republican party and consider it "racist, homophobic, and backward." The leftists have been very effective in branding the Tea Party, Republicans, and conservatives, and we all let them do it without even a whimper. Ya gotta hand it the lefties, taking down Republicans is like shooting fish in a barrel. I mean, if you are willing to completely lie to get what you want, it's easy to do. Our Republican leaders just do not understand what they are up against.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at October 26, 2013 09:13 PM (2/oBD)

208 I meant "hear" by the way. I did not mean to say, "Did anyone here...." I also wanted to add, "Calling John Boehner...calling John Boehner...Hello...is there anybody in there?" ZzzzZZZZzzzz zzz ZZzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzz

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at October 26, 2013 09:20 PM (2/oBD)

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