September 24, 2013
— Gabriel Malor Flip over to CSPAN2 or their online digs to see Sen. Cruz speaking now.
Apparently CSPAN won't let you embed. Or I can't figure it out anyway. Just open in another window. He says he's going to talk until he cannot stand. This is an awareness-raising floor speech, not a true filibuster, as it doesn't push back the time for the first cloture vote which is set for tomorrow.
Townhall's Guy Benson has more on Cruz's speech, as well as the RNC's petition drive "Stand With Ted," launched simultaneously.
I know several folks were asking where Chairman Priebus was in all this. He wants you to sign the petition.
More: If you missed it this morning, the timeline for the next several days goes like this, with the Senate ultimately passing a CR of one sort or another on Sunday, giving the House just one day to respond. The timeline can change, however, if the parties unanimously waive the Senate rules, as has been discussed among the GOP conference this afternoon. They're considering agreeing to shorten the time for consideration in the Senate in order to get a CR back to the House faster.
And a little bit more: As you'd know if you listened to the AOSHQ podcast, I've been a little concerned that Sen. Reid could try and get cute with the Senate version of the CR and undo sequestration cuts. A staffer at the Senate GOP Budget committee press office got back to me:
@gabrielmalor There is apparently some ? about whether such an amendment wld be germane. Restrictions exist on non-germaneness post-cloture.
— Senate Budget GOP (@BudgetGOP) September 24, 2013
@gabrielmalor To be fair, we're not aware of a precedent for undoing caps like those in the BCA. That's what changing levels would require.
— Senate Budget GOP (@BudgetGOP) September 24, 2013
I hope they're right. I asked the same question of another Senate staffer (working in a different office) over the weekend and got the same answer.
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Posted by: eleven at September 24, 2013 11:07 AM (KXm42)
Yo seriously: fuck you, Ted. You just Godwinned yourself and in doing so made everyone (including Thomas Sowell, writing today in opposition to Cruz and the defunders) into Nazi-sympathizer quislings.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:08 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2013 11:08 AM (ZshNr)
So, then the Dems don't have a chance to vote on it and he has effectively shut down the government.
Can someone 'splain the "winning" strategy here?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 24, 2013 11:08 AM (f9c2L)
BTW, I think people really should pay attention to Rand Paul in all of this. Cruz has been out there (IMO) making an ass of himself, but Paul has been on Cruz side of this fight without being nearly as intemperate, or making impossible promises. And the compromise he floated isn't just achievable, it's pretty brilliant.
I still have major reservations about him as a Presidential candidate (his past statements, his loopy dad, questions about foreign policy, etc.) but you know what? The way Paul has conducted himself during this whole kerfuffle -- fighting but not fighting stupid -- has actually made him seem more presidential.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:08 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 24, 2013 11:08 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: eleven at September 24, 2013 11:08 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 11:09 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 24, 2013 11:09 AM (Z9EHQ)
You might want to look up Godwin's Law. It has nothing to do with anything you just spewed.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 24, 2013 11:09 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 24, 2013 11:09 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:10 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: ace at September 24, 2013 03:08 PM (/IWYB)
Boom Boom Beyotch.
Posted by: eleven at September 24, 2013 11:10 AM (KXm42)
OMG The Establishment Elite hates conservatives and is secretly in favor of Obamacare serious you guys.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 24, 2013 11:12 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 24, 2013 11:12 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Big Ben at September 24, 2013 11:13 AM (I5Htn)
Posted by: garrett at September 24, 2013 11:13 AM (nKFzF)
Posted by: navycopjoe at September 24, 2013 11:13 AM (dwj/t)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:13 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 24, 2013 11:14 AM (sCynV)
So the GOP has already explained to the Senate leadership that the GOP will capitulate just as soon as the Senate can get legislation passed and sent to the house.
Great strategy. It's the same one Obama used when he announced the troop surge to Afghanistan.
Posted by: Sleepy at September 24, 2013 11:14 AM (AGNzg)
Posted by: navycopjoe at September 24, 2013 11:14 AM (dwj/t)
Posted by: Roy at September 24, 2013 11:14 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 11:14 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 11:14 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 24, 2013 11:15 AM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 24, 2013 11:15 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 11:15 AM (/29Nl)
Is that like the State Department sending a sternly worded letter of protest?
Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 24, 2013 11:16 AM (eCa6e)
Posted by: Madamex at September 24, 2013 11:16 AM (islXR)
will cruz's effort fail? most likely
but at least he has the fight in him
it's better to die standing than go down on your knees....unless you are a hostess in an Thailand bar
Posted by: navycopjoe at September 24, 2013 11:16 AM (dwj/t)
Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 24, 2013 11:16 AM (eCa6e)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:17 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Every Congressman at September 24, 2013 11:17 AM (yETln)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 24, 2013 11:17 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:18 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 11:18 AM (/PCJa)
.........
Yes.. that's the more interesting question.. and I highly doubt he believes that. Perhaps he was just throwing it out as a possibility?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 24, 2013 11:18 AM (f9c2L)
100% certainty that Mike Lee drops by at the very least. Wouldn't be surprised for Rand Paul to show up as well. Honestly, I'm not sure who else will be there. Cruz apparently doesn't have many friends -- not just in the "oh he's upsetting the rotten political applecart!" sense, but rather in the "kind of a dick to people" sense.
Just read a story about him in Harvard Law School where he declared on the first day of class in public that he was forming a study group, and that "only people with 3.9 or higher GPAs from the top three Ivy League undergrads would be allowed to join." You know, because god forbid somebody from a shitty TTT like UPenn or Dartmouth or even god forbid Johns Hopkins, MIT or CalTech sneak their way into that study group. Douchechills!
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:19 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 24, 2013 11:19 AM (Z9EHQ)
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When you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one you hit . . . .
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 24, 2013 11:19 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Every Congressman at September 24, 2013 11:19 AM (yETln)
Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 11:19 AM (/29Nl)
48 yep
consumed much brats, Italian beef sammiches, and old style beer
a great day to be from the land of greatness and bullets
Posted by: navycopjoe at September 24, 2013 11:20 AM (dwj/t)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 24, 2013 11:20 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 24, 2013 11:20 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 24, 2013 11:21 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 24, 2013 11:21 AM (Z9EHQ)
1) Who wrote the story?
2) How do you know he wasn't joking, in context?
Answer: You Fucking Don't, But You Have An Agenda.
Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 11:21 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:22 AM (r2PLg)
Chief Engineer : "But Captain, we're losing containment of the antimatter stream"
Captain : "Mr. Engineer, if we lose containment on Cruz there will be serious consequences."
Engineer : "If we lose containment of the antimatter stream we won't care about consequences."
Posted by: Sleepy at September 24, 2013 11:22 AM (AGNzg)
OT: I now start 10 solid hours of looking at tatu baby's big Columbian ass
Posted by: navycopjoe at September 24, 2013 11:22 AM (dwj/t)
Yeah, something about the way Rand talked made him really fun to listen to. Also, it came as a total surprise when we were feeling pretty low, which also helped.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:22 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:23 AM (r2PLg)
The best outcome is Cruz failing to get cloture and Dems having to take a politically risky vote.
But it is only a good outcome if the "medium information voters" are paying attention. Without Cruz putting up a huge fight, including showing off his rhetorical skills, then no one would know that getting rid of Obamacare is even an option.
Everyone is stuck on process and missing what a huge PR win this is.
If we were going to lose anyway, this is the best way to do it. Pissing in Obama's Cornflakes.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 24, 2013 11:23 AM (Ge46T)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 11:23 AM (yETln)
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 24, 2013 11:23 AM (sUMBr)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 24, 2013 11:24 AM (fzFF6)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 11:24 AM (/PCJa)
And that if they did get away with it the Supremes would....
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 03:22 PM (r2PLg)
yes.
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 11:24 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 24, 2013 11:24 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: alexthechick
............
The Packers lost on Sunday, so that can't be right.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 24, 2013 11:24 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: brak at September 24, 2013 11:25 AM (iEoiA)
The powers that be - McConnell, McCain, Boehner, Cantor - have spoken, and Cruz, a mere junior Senator, ought to sit down and shut up, and play along with the fucking brilliant kabuki theatre that have led to the endless string of Republican victories since Obama's election, among those being...
...winning the House handily in 2010, on the promise of fighting Obamacare...
... and that is all.
But believe, all you flyoverland scrubs, in the wisdom of our exalted leaders, as they glide from victory to victory, with their smooth talking, and their subtle negotiating, and their long-term planning that is virtually identical to every single fucking thing the Democrats have ever wanted.
Thanks to all those making it possible; you know who you are.
LiB, it's already on fire anyhow. Burn it down, scatter the ashes, and salt the earth where it stood.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 24, 2013 11:25 AM (mJEtb)
It was in a GQ profile of Cruz for which he participated. Sourced by multiple people. Josh Marshall then came out yesterday and said that his wife was in Cruz's class at HLS and that she remembered it as well.
And no, he wasn't joking. I went to a top law school, and sadly enough that sort of douchey behavior isn't entirely unheard of, though it's rarely quite so public. You wouldn't believe some of the socially deficient jerks who are extremely, extremely smart and therefore easily get into the T6 schools (Harvard/Yale/Stanford/Chicago/Columbia/NYU), which have super-strict LSAT/GPA requirements.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:25 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, kaiju wrangler at September 24, 2013 11:26 AM (naUcP)
So Cornyn and McConnell promise to vote for cloture and that give Reid two more Dems to switch in opposition to cloture. Dems and and GOP ruling party senators look like members of the same party. ObamaCare must really smell like rotten fish on Capitol Hill if the Dems are desperate to play things both ways.
Posted by: mrp at September 24, 2013 11:26 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 11:26 AM (nqBYe)
Contrast with Chuck Schumer or Dick Durbin. I'd say Cruz doesn't even register on the smarmy-douche meter.
Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 11:26 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 24, 2013 11:26 AM (UypUQ)
Ha! Knowing that phrase kind of outs you as a person who spent a little time on XOXO/Autoadmit in the past. At least, that's the only place I ever encountered it. A truly wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:26 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 24, 2013 11:27 AM (QF8uk)
OMG a senator is an arrogant narcissist! Do you really think there is even one of these guys that isn't a total fucking douchebag? Grow up nancy.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 24, 2013 11:27 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 24, 2013 11:27 AM (iCmPb)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 24, 2013 11:28 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2013 11:28 AM (ZshNr)
Law school actually, by which time you're an adult. But your point actually is a fair one, which is that people change over time and it's unfair to let some anecdote from 15 years ago stand in for a person's current personality. So point taken.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:28 AM (n/+FT)
But he knows TruCons are cheap dates, very easy to get them in the sack.
Thanks again for giving Obama this much-needed distraction.
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 11:28 AM (9Mu4z)
In your case, thanks for making it so public in this forum, time and time again.
You don't know it wasn't a joke. You weren't there, and it's pretty easy to see how someone with an agenda could take comments like that out of context. But since it's about Ted Cruz, no need to be critical about stories like this, right?
Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 11:28 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 24, 2013 11:29 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Aqua Buddha at September 24, 2013 11:29 AM (nKFzF)
I see Jeff B. is dragging out the oppo research. Glad to know we don't have to worry about fighting Democrats in the future.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 24, 2013 11:29 AM (Ge46T)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 24, 2013 11:29 AM (VtjlW)
There is apparently some ? about whether such an amendment wld be germane. Restrictions exist on non-germaneness post-cloture.
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I get the words. How that is applied I have no idea. Leave politics to the experts. We're in good hands.
Posted by: Beagle at September 24, 2013 11:30 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 03:08 PM (n/+FT)
You're starting to come across a lot like Bluegill, a commenter over on Hot Air, who springs into action, loaded with venom and invective, whenever Sarah Palin's name comes up.
Is Ted Cruz your particular white whale, Jeff B.? Did someone who looked a lot like Cruz steal candy from you as a child, or what? Insofar as I can tell, there's no rational basis for the loathing you express towards the guy. As for me, I think of Lincoln's quote regarding Grant (paraphrasing), 'We can't spare this man. He fights.'
Posted by: troyriser at September 24, 2013 11:30 AM (2jF2B)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 11:30 AM (a4Omg)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 03:19 PM (n/+FT)
Uh.... MIT or Caltech ... in a Harvard LAW Class?
/ I know.... I know.... forget it, he's rolling....
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2013 11:30 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2013 11:30 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 11:31 AM (yETln)
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It goes like this (it's got a lot of magic in it, so that means it has a 100% chance of success, 'cause, you know: Magic):
Here it is: "Force Congress to subject themselves and their staff to Obamacare."
Because:
1) The same majority that will defeat Cruz, will however, vote for this. They've said as much, look it up. Over there. Somewhere. Back page, at the bottom, I think.
2) These millionaires and billionaires will somehow get the same crappy plans and coverage you and I get.
3) These lawmakers what that all write the laws (and have the majority in the Senate and the Presidency) will never, ever, ever, ever change the law back to favor them.
4) Nor will these same lawmakers what that write the laws ever, ever, ever "swear it wasn't me! Honest!" get the regulatory agencies to issue favorable regulations that effectively rewrite such.
5) And last, but certainly not least, there's no way these two-timing, back-stabbing, yellow-bellied cheatin' sons-a-bitches will ever, ever, ever send one of theirs to court to a favorable judge to get a ruling that such a change is somehow unconstitutional.
6) After all that--Congress will just have to get rid of such a bad law.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 24, 2013 11:31 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Andy at September 24, 2013 11:31 AM (ZtooU)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 24, 2013 11:31 AM (VtjlW)
That story -- which was a complete disgrace and a smear job, I agree -- wasn't from GQ. That was a hitjob by The Daily Beast. Cruz participated fully in the GQ profile, had the writer following him around and interviewing him for days. Very different article, and worth a read -- it's not really an attack on him at all, though there is (as I mentioned above) some material that definitely seems douchey. As Brother Cavil points out, though, stuff you said or did in your 1L year of law school shouldn't be held up as a Defining Trait, so even though I thought it was a hilariously assholish thing for Cruz to have said/done I don't think it means he's like that now.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:31 AM (n/+FT)
Sheer. Fucking. Poetry.
*pours adult beverage into USB port*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2013 11:31 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2013 11:31 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 11:32 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 11:32 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 11:32 AM (sYLzD)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:32 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 03:28 PM (9Mu4z)
If every move Republicans make against Obama is a distraction, then what isn't?
Posted by: troyriser at September 24, 2013 11:32 AM (2jF2B)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 24, 2013 11:32 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, kaiju wrangler at September 24, 2013 11:32 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 24, 2013 11:32 AM (IXrOn)
not just in the "oh he's upsetting the rotten political applecart!" sense, but rather in the "kind of a dick to people" sense.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 03:19 PM (n/+FT)
Did you really just post that? Yeah , yeah I've heard your bit on how you're really not the dick you appear to be on the interwebz. I'm not buying it.
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 11:33 AM (m2CN7)
"Just read a story about him in Harvard Law School "
Was it the one about him spending a lot on clothes, or that he didn't know that Margaret Thatcher wasn't the Queen of England?
Boy, those democrats sure where right about this guy.
Posted by: jwest at September 24, 2013 11:33 AM (u2a4R)
@109
Romeo13
There really is no "pre-law" any more. May as well get a technical degree and go to law school. Then at least after you pass the bar you can do something useful after not finding a job.
Posted by: Beagle at September 24, 2013 11:33 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 24, 2013 11:33 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 11:33 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 11:33 AM (a4Omg)
Posted by: Sleepy at September 24, 2013 11:33 AM (AGNzg)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 24, 2013 11:34 AM (sCynV)
Posted by: Kawfytawk at September 24, 2013 11:34 AM (EY4Et)
Posted by: brak at September 24, 2013 11:34 AM (iEoiA)
Posted by: ace at September 24, 2013 03:08 PM (/IWYB)
Ace is Gabe's bitch? Who knew?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 24, 2013 11:34 AM (gqgiP)
EOJ would say i might be dancing between raindrops currently, however i'm finding it satisfying.
Yeah, but a young EoJ would sing it while dancing, solo with a parasol.
Posted by: garrett at September 24, 2013 11:34 AM (nKFzF)
Then they'll laugh as they pay cash for whatever they need.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 24, 2013 11:35 AM (/kI1Q)
Thanks again for giving Obama this much-needed distraction.
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 03:28 PM (9Mu4z)
Distraction from what? This is exactly what we want people to be focused on?
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 11:35 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 24, 2013 03:29 PM (Ge46T)
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JeffB sounds like an embittered alcoholic. He likes no one. If only everyone would do as JeffB thinks should be done, then things would be excellent.
It's why no presidential or congressional candidate will ever be good enough for him. It's because it's not him.
Posted by: Soona at September 24, 2013 11:35 AM (3sDOE)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:35 AM (r2PLg)
What the fuck ever, idiots. You're getting your wish and we're all going to be boned as a result.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at September 24, 2013 03:32 PM (qyfb5)
but their ideas for survival of the country are so much better! what's losing a limb or two when we still; have a handful of fingers left!
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 11:35 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Jeff B.
This from a former roomie who was disbarred in California and has a VERY questionable background. GQ was finally able to dig up someone with a background to say something about Cruz. Read about this today .. will find link. You cannot believe ANYTHING unless you dig anymore... especially if the column is carried in any mainstreamish press. All context and sources should be looked into.
Posted by: Yip at September 24, 2013 11:35 AM (/jHWN)
Posted by: Beagle at September 24, 2013 03:33 PM (sOtz/)
Yeah... but if you were putting together a STUDY group... wouldn't you want people who are... oh... I don't know... interested in Law? not trained as an Engineer?
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2013 11:36 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 11:36 AM (a4Omg)
Yeah, they "won". Pretty easy when the other team fails to show up, thus allowing them a victory by forfeit.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 24, 2013 11:36 AM (SY2Kh)
no Really! they respect Us for bending over so nicely and politely !
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 11:36 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2013 11:36 AM (ZshNr)
Oh for sure. We had a few MIT/CalTech grads in my law school class (I didn't go to HLS, mind you). Newsflash: not everyone who attends a place like MIT or CalTech with the intention of being an engineer, scientist, or doctor ends up following through. Lots of people burn out on that track and do something in the humanities instead.
Actually, engineering and hard science types were among the most prized and heavily recruited candidates for top law schools. Not only do they tend to do pretty well with the coursework (heavy emphasis on logical analysis), they have a strong leg up on getting work in one of the most high-demand fields of law after school: Intellectual Property. If you don't have a science background before law school, you pretty much don't have a chance of getting an IP law job at a big firm.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:36 AM (n/+FT)
Shouldn't that be "And guess what? US Senator Ted Cruz has no friends, either."?
Posted by: mrp at September 24, 2013 11:36 AM (HjPtV)
Well, I hate to be a turd in the punchbowl but this is a foolish endeavor.
Don't get me wrong, I believe Cruz, Lee, et al have their hearts in the right place. But the strategy, if I can actually call it that, is doomed and unachievable. So I would ask- what do we ultimately gain at this juncture?
The answer is; nothing because Democrats will continue to ram Obamacare down our countries throat.
Think about that for a moment. Here is one of the most
demonstratively destructive, liberty stealing pieces of legislation ever
foisted on our country. It is fully and wholly owned by Democrats. It
is literally killing people. It does nothing it promised. In fact, it
causes all the destruction
Republicans originally stated it would.
So what do Republicans do? They arm the president and his party with a
way to deflect the growing level of dissatisfaction with this monstrous
assault on American businesses, people, their wallets and the quality
of their health-care.
Bravo, you guys...
The fecklessness, lack of a cohesive strategy, incoherent tactics and the self-serving nature of our permanent Republican political class are mostly to blame.
This would have been a good tactic in an overall coordinated strategy...if Republicans had one. Now it is nothing other than another party-dividing free-for-all that ends up allowing Democrats to escape from the revealing yoke of dishonesty they've once again place around their necks.
Way to go "leaders".
Posted by: Marcus at September 24, 2013 11:37 AM (GGCsk)
Yo seriously: fuck you, Ted. You just Godwinned yourself and in doing so made everyone (including Thomas Sowell, writing today in opposition to Cruz and the defunders) into Nazi-sympathizer quislings.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 03:08 PM (n/+FT)"
A tad short on reasoning skills are we? Plenty of people who thought the the Nazis were too powerful to defeat were not particularly happy about that. But, that's OK. Any stick will work to beat somebody you disagree with.
Oh, yeah. Fuck you right back.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 24, 2013 11:38 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 11:38 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 24, 2013 11:38 AM (qyfb5)
This is just nuts. In this very thread I posted how impressed I've been by Rand Paul throughout this whole crisis. There are lots of guys and gals out there who I like. I even liked Ted Cruz A LOT until the recent "defunding" mess, and my beef with him is that he's selling a pack of lies. I still think he's brilliant and I don't particularly care that he doesn't 'play nice' in the Senate.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:38 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: marco rubio at September 24, 2013 11:39 AM (PlwhD)
Posted by: garrett at September 24, 2013 11:39 AM (nKFzF)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 11:39 AM (yETln)
Look I am pretty well versed in Senatorial procedures with regards to filibusters and cloture etc. not to mention I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I will try as best I can to explain what's going on to the horde. We're completely and utterly fucked. I know it's a lofty and wordy explanation. But there it is.
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 24, 2013 11:39 AM (sUMBr)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, kaiju wrangler at September 24, 2013 11:39 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: traye at September 24, 2013 11:39 AM (Or87o)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 11:39 AM (sYLzD)
Posted by: Jeff B . at September 24, 2013 11:39 AM (zhMUe)
Posted by: mrp at September 24, 2013 11:39 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 24, 2013 11:40 AM (+lsX1)
Status quo.
Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 11:40 AM (/29Nl)
Why? Because he was doing the very least amount of work he could to get his degree and then pass the bar and then he took himself and his other graduate degrees in computer programming and advanced mathematics as well as his fluency in Mandarin, Japanese and Korean over to Hong Kong where he went to work for an intellectual properties firm doing patent litigation. Yeah. He was an idiot, he was.
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 24, 2013 11:40 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Nate at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (i3OIF)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (yETln)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (nqBYe)
You can tell me you think I'm an asshole without socking me.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: NWConservative at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (gwA5b)
Posted by: Fritz at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (x2W/k)
The Place is breaking out in BROWN FANS.
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 03:32 PM (r2PLg)
A good antibiotic will fix that.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (L9Mr/)
Posted by: mrp at September 24, 2013 11:41 AM (HjPtV)
Yeah, let's see where it ends up before declaring victory. Democrats are more than happy to see a filibuster that results in the government being shut down. In fact that's their strategy.
They are actually reading the polls which includes all parties and affiliations.
Posted by: Marcus at September 24, 2013 11:42 AM (GGCsk)
Yo seriously: fuck you,
Ted. You just Godwinned yourself and in doing so made everyone
(including Thomas Sowell, writing today in opposition to Cruz and the
defunders) into Nazi-sympathizer quislings.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 03:08 PM (n/+FT)"
Of course Jeff B won't acknowledge that what Cruz said is not the definition of Godwin. Watch him spin.
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 11:42 AM (m2CN7)
@147
Romeo13
First week of law school the only people 'trained to be lawyers' took business law in high school, debaters, or kids of lawyers who paid attention.
There is no particular degree I am aware of which does anything like prepare you for law school. I had a business law class in HS where we looked up cases in reporters and had done the same for debate. History or political science are not pre-law.
If it is possible to get a four-year paralegal degree, that would be the one. But it's two years.
Posted by: Beagle at September 24, 2013 11:43 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 11:43 AM (yETln)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 24, 2013 11:43 AM (sCynV)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 24, 2013 11:43 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 11:44 AM (sYLzD)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 11:44 AM (a4Omg)
Jeff B., you are an asshole.
But you are also correct about being socked.
Not cool.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 24, 2013 11:44 AM (gqgiP)
I hope your thread is getting more enlightened commentary.. but I bet this one is a lot more fun.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 24, 2013 11:45 AM (f9c2L)
Yeah. He was an idiot, he was.
==============
But, but, but: He didn't go work for Big Law!!!
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 24, 2013 11:45 AM (VjL9S)
No, you're right. I was wrong here. I misused the term. More to the point, I think I leapt down Cruz's throat on that for no real reason and I take it back. Nothing that's been said so far is really objectionable at all.
I definitely blew it there.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:45 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2013 11:45 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:45 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 11:46 AM (yETln)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 11:46 AM (/PCJa)
**
What he really wants is your e-mail and home address so he can solicit you for RNC $$$$. Then he'll send you one of those impressive polling questionaires with the redmeat questions that gets yer blood boiling...then hit ya up for a C-note. Then he'll use your money to hire Carl fucking Rove to do some oppo-research on Tea party candidates and proceed to have the Kabbage smasher and Tuck my prick Carlson bash them on prime time TV.
Fuck him.
Posted by: dananjcon at September 24, 2013 11:46 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 24, 2013 11:46 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 11:46 AM (a4Omg)
Posted by: traye at September 24, 2013 11:47 AM (Or87o)
If the strategy is to raise awareness about the Democrats owning Obamacare it might work.
People are hating Obamacare and the more Cruz, et al get on TV to make Democrats wear it like skin, it will increase the ownership and show Democrats destructive intransigence.
But this is going to be a game of chicken with a potential shutdown. And Republicans suck at that game.
Obama is at all times lows in terms of favorability. People are largely against him on major issues like the IRS scandal, economy, foreign policy, etc. A shutdown throws him a lifeline.
Look at the what the media is already portraying this event. As usual it doesn't bode well for Republicans. They are barely mentioning Obamacare in the same sentence.
Posted by: Marcus at September 24, 2013 11:48 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2013 03:47 PM (aKkNH)
Unlike most of Washington, he knows and respects his real employers.
Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 11:48 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:49 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: traye at September 24, 2013 11:49 AM (Or87o)
Posted by: Marcus at September 24, 2013 11:49 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 11:50 AM (sYLzD)
Funniest thing I've seen all week.
http://tinyurl.com/cgh29hn
Posted by: eleven at September 24, 2013 11:50 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 11:51 AM (yETln)
Sorry, I don't buy the idea that he's the only Republican that wants to stop ObamaCare.
There's a PASSED House bill that funds the government but strips all funding to Obamacare, defunding ObamaCare. How exactly does filibustering this help end Obamacare? Because it's not pure enough?
Is the conservative movement going to be just who yells the loudest and not the person with any real plan? Because Cruz's publicity stunt is just that.
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 11:51 AM (9Mu4z)
Ironically, Mike Lee is asking a very DC question -- an extremely long statement that has only nominal resemblance to an actual question.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 24, 2013 11:51 AM (ligos)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 03:43 PM (yETln)
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I am pretty sure using too much logic could get you disbarred. I don't recommend it.
Major in something useful which can get you a job by itself. Do something you like. Then, if you insist, go to law school.
Posted by: Beagle at September 24, 2013 11:51 AM (sOtz/)
Just read a story about him in Harvard Law School where he declared on the first day of class in public that he was forming a study group, and that "only people with 3.9 or higher GPAs from the top three Ivy League undergrads would be allowed to join." You know, because god forbid somebody from a shitty TTT like UPenn or Dartmouth or even god forbid Johns Hopkins, MIT or CalTech sneak their way into that study group. Douchechills!
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 03:19 PM (n/+FT)
JeffB really loves making shit up. Doesn't matter how many times he's called out for it, he keeps doing it.
Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 24, 2013 11:52 AM (p7BzH)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/lnkc7jz
Posted by: Sleepy at September 24, 2013 11:52 AM (AGNzg)
If the GOP can't get their shit together and try to stop zerocare BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE, including shutting the fucking government down, then they don't deserve conservative support.
This is the hill to fucking die on. Oh, the media will be mean.... How is that different from any fucking Tuesday?
Posted by: prescient11 at September 24, 2013 11:52 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: NWConservative at September 24, 2013 11:52 AM (gwA5b)
Posted by: traye at September 24, 2013 11:52 AM (Or87o)
But for your delusional and incomprehensible love of Bears football, you cut a fine jib.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 24, 2013 11:52 AM (eHIJJ)
Pretty sure that wasn't me. I don't think Ted Cruz looks that strange, really.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:52 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, kaiju wrangler at September 24, 2013 11:53 AM (naUcP)
Last I checked, the US Constitution doesn't contain a "passion" clause for the enacting or repealing of federal law.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 24, 2013 11:53 AM (SY2Kh)
Publicity stunt = get past the media.
This is his chance to spend a very long time talking about the shithole that is Washington DC and the shitfest that is Obamacare.
Never a bad thing. Especially if it goes on long enough to get real attention.
Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 11:53 AM (/29Nl)
This will be the future for conservatives. Remove the power of the establishment to funnel craptastic candidates in our faces and instead there will be a way to channel money to true conservatives and help them run, just like Palin stepped in and helped Cruz in his run.
Times are a changing and the ways of old, just may be changing. When has a junior Senator so fully gained such influence and power so quickly and without the help of the press or his own party structure in DC? Fascinating really. I hope he can stay grounded and sane.
Posted by: Yip at September 24, 2013 11:53 AM (/jHWN)
http://tinyurl.com/mkp84qf
Posted by: dananjcon at September 24, 2013 11:54 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: Sen. McCain at September 24, 2013 11:54 AM (kPeSM)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 11:54 AM (sYLzD)
GOP:
We're saving our fire for a day when the media is nice to us. And we'll wait until all Americans are suffering from the law's full impact until we'll try and do something.
Because, you know, elections. Popularity.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 24, 2013 11:54 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Beagle at September 24, 2013 03:51 PM (sOtz/)
Yeah.... Logic and the Law really don't go well together... because.... its a Tax that's not a tax in a Bill that started in the Senate, that can't raise Taxes...
Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at September 24, 2013 11:55 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2013 11:55 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: kercon at September 24, 2013 11:55 AM (von48)
Posted by: McAdams
Because once they invoke cloture, Reid strips out the ACA defunding and has the CR passed on party vote.
At least that's the operating theory.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 24, 2013 11:55 AM (ligos)
Posted by: Buzzion at September 24, 2013 11:56 AM (ehWok)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 24, 2013 11:56 AM (7ObY1)
Hmm.
Because if your premise is that the government is not listening to the people there is a very certain direction that goes . . . .
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 24, 2013 11:56 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at September 24, 2013 11:57 AM (HEa5q)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 11:57 AM (/PCJa)
Look you pinhead. That was a one-person account from GQ magazine wherein the accuser is a disbarred California lawyer. So it has credibility written all over it.
Damn but you're insufferable.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 24, 2013 11:57 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 03:49 PM (n/+FT)
I had my reservations, but he's turned into a really great senator; either that or I've just become more tea partyish over the years. He votes the way I'd ant him to, I can rely on him unlike Hatch to do the right thing. After 5 years of preening, I'll take sincere substance over slick sycophants every time.
Posted by: LizLem, who wants to get off this crazy thing at September 24, 2013 11:58 AM (8wqqE)
Actually, don't go to law school. You'd be an idiot to go to law school at this point in time, in this horrible legal market, at these ridiculously over-inflated prices. If you get full tuition (or close) from a T14 school, OR if you already have a guaranteed job that pays well lined up before you attend, then it might make sense. Otherwise it's a stupid play right now.
The government needs to get out of the student loan market, and we need to reform the Bankruptcy Act (whose 2002 revision turned student loan debt into non-dischargeable debt under bankruptcy) before higher ed and professional schools are going to have even remotely sane market incentive structures.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:58 AM (n/+FT)
Watch it, chucklehead. That's my turf you're stepping on right there.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 24, 2013 11:58 AM (SY2Kh)
I don't recall, was it you talking yesterday about Ted Cruz being funny
looking? Like I said, I don't recall and I don't give a shit about you
enough to look it up. Sounds like you.
No, he just called Cruz a coward and a fraud who perpetrated this whole defund scheme as a way to fund raise. He's so narcissistic that he doesn't realize that by doing that he just called every Cruz supporter a feeble minded dupe. Asshat.
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 11:59 AM (m2CN7)
Future Days is quite simply one of the most magnificent, singular albums ever released. "Spray" might actually be my favorite cut on it, for reasons that I can't really justify logically.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 11:59 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 11:59 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 24, 2013 11:59 AM (eoeps)
And one more thing:
The panel on Special Report made me sick yesterday. This is all about Cruz's ego apparently. What the fuck? Why the fuck can't a guy come in there, represent the fucking PEOPLE who sent him into office to derail zerocare and then he does precisely that.
Imagine that. NO GANG OF EIGHT, no bs horsetrading. Just straight up fuck you, fuck zerocare, and fuck all who oppose me.
But apparently this is just Cruz's way to get the limelight. To steal the thunder from the "establishment".
Krauthammer's comment was patently ridiculous. "If you're opponent is committing suicide, get out of the room."
This ISN'T about political games. It's about PRINCIPLE. It may take a while, but principle wins EVERY TIME.
But the good Dr. K would rather fuck the American people with this shitstorm of a shit law because, you know, Politics. And Middle Class. No wonder we lose elections.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 24, 2013 12:00 PM (tVTLU)
"Obama signed House bills to kill a costly ObamaCare reporting rule, terminate its long-term care insurance program and repeal the 'free choice voucher' program. He also signed bills cutting funds for the so-called CO-OP program, a public health slush fund and other ObamaCare programs.
Two other House-passed bills — one to end the Independent Payment Advisory Board and another terminating the medical device tax — have strong bipartisan support. Another simply codified the employer mandate delay Obama himself had already ordered."
~ Investor's Business Daily , http://bit.ly/1fk8LN1
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 24, 2013 12:00 PM (YjDyJ)
As opposed to every other proposal to de-fund or repeal Obamacare while Obama remains President?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 24, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 12:01 PM (w7Il+)
Posted by: Soona at September 24, 2013 12:01 PM (3sDOE)
Posted by: RS at September 24, 2013 12:01 PM (YAGV/)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 12:01 PM (kagAm)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 12:01 PM (kagAm)
Posted by: LizLem, who wants to get off this crazy thing at September 24, 2013 12:01 PM (8wqqE)
Posted by: kercon at September 24, 2013 03:55 PM (von4
Unfortunately for Cruz, he looks like a young Joseph McCarthy.
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 12:02 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, kaiju wrangler at September 24, 2013 12:02 PM (naUcP)
That's the most naive statement I've ever read.
Congrats.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 24, 2013 12:02 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: t-bird at September 24, 2013 12:02 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 24, 2013 03:58 PM (SY2Kh)
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Ah. Yes. In the frenzy I forgot all about you.
Posted by: Soona at September 24, 2013 12:03 PM (3sDOE)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 12:03 PM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: President Mitt Romney at September 24, 2013 12:03 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: McAdams at September 24,"
You understand the Republicans in the House only did this because they knew it would be inneffective right?
___________________________
And Cruz is pulling this publicity stunt because he thinks he alone is actually going to stop ObamaCare? Are you really that naive?
Look, the House Republicans that voted to strip Obamacare of funding have voted on the record. They've also voted dozens of times to repeal it and they voted against it when it was introduced. You think they secretly want ObamaCare because...?
At least the House has made the Democrats once again be on the record supporting a law that will destroy health care in this country.
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 12:03 PM (9Mu4z)
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 04:02 PM (m2CN7)
Who, once the Soviet Union fell, and they opened up their files.... turned out to be WAY more Right, than wrong...
Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at September 24, 2013 12:03 PM (lZBBB)
And one more thing. After the govt. shutdown of 1995, we GAINED two or three SENATE seats and lost TWO HOUSE seats.
And clinton would have totally caved, except some squish fucking idiot (Bob Dole) came in and reopened the Senate. Clinton was ONE DAY from caving, per Tom Delay talking about Clinton's memoirs.
But yeah, keep being fucking squishes, listen to the consultants and keep fucking losing every time.
Shit, GWB practically put on a Reagan mask and still couldn't win the popular vote the first time. Last real GOP prez with some balls - Reagan.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 24, 2013 12:03 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: t-bird at September 24, 2013 04:02 PM (FcR7P)
We lost our country to the other half of the country. He's the retard of the people.
Posted by: eleven at September 24, 2013 12:04 PM (KXm42)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 12:05 PM (/PCJa)
Well, the plan is more like, the let go forward, because the people re-elected the guy who pushed, and have thus asked for it. While I, too, sympathize with Cruz's motivations, I wonder how much we're shooting ourselves in the foot by shielding the voters from the consequences of their decisions.
Posted by: Schaeffer at September 24, 2013 12:05 PM (rqazu)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 24, 2013 03:23 PM (Ge46T)
I just stuck the tip into Obama's cornflakes in very limited, very targeted, very short-term way. Does that still count?
Posted by: Reggie "Dr." Love at September 24, 2013 12:05 PM (/lWM8)
I had the SAME reaction to last night's panel. They are creatures of the DC area and are infected with a certain worldview I guess. Thanks my best take on it. Just as the Fox panel mostly has been supportive of some strike against Syria. Fox really isn't what the left screeches that it is. It is part and parcel of the MSM, but closer to the center than the rest.
Posted by: Yip at September 24, 2013 12:05 PM (/jHWN)
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 12:05 PM (nqBYe)
I'm amazed that Ace hasn't stepped on this usurping thread by now.
Time to assert some authority.
Either that or get used to being ass fucked.
Posted by: jwest at September 24, 2013 12:05 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 12:06 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 24, 2013 12:06 PM (fzFF6)
You know what? I like David Vitter. I know I'm supposed to look down on him because he visited a prostitute, but c'mon people were talking up Newt Gingrich as a nominee last year and I'm supposed to care about that?
What I like about David Vitter is his complete and utter contempt for the MSM. You will read asides from DC journos bitching about how Vitter doesn't even speak to them in passing, in the halls of the Senate or the Capitol. He could not give less of a fuck about them. I love that.
I also love the fact that he's the one who's been pushing hard in the Senate to force Congress to undo its self-proclaimed exemption from Obamacare. And that people from both parties have been complaining about it. Well you know what? Fuck them. Oh noes! Brain drain from DC! God fucking forbid.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:06 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 24, 2013 12:06 PM (VjL9S)
They have only been reprising that performance every single time since.
Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 24, 2013 12:06 PM (p7BzH)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 12:06 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: t-bird at September 24, 2013 12:06 PM (FcR7P)
oh lord, I leave to make stir fry and JeffB is getting his ass kicked again
must have said some stupid rino/east coast/lawyer shit
Posted by: navycopjoe at September 24, 2013 12:06 PM (dwj/t)
@245
I agree actually. The only real opportunities I see these days are drilling for natural gas or becoming another horrible parasite in government. Or know someone in government to cut you in on the sweet lucre.
Big Green is on its way out I would imagine.
Posted by: Beagle at September 24, 2013 12:07 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: t-bird at September 24, 2013 12:07 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 12:07 PM (kagAm)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 12:08 PM (yETln)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2013 12:09 PM (ZshNr)
Well even the devil can speak the truth every now and then. Just think of me as a friendly, more accessible occasional truth-telling Satan.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:09 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 12:09 PM (sYLzD)
(1) Changing the threshold requires unanimous consent.
(2) @DavidMDrucker About Senate debate on #Obamacare #defund: Vulnerable Dems can vote FOR defunding twice; Rs can't filibuster vote to STRIP defunding measure
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 24, 2013 12:09 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Yip at September 24, 2013 04:05 PM (/jHWN)
Fox News is partly owned by a Saudi Prince... it has its own agenda....
Note, Fox Sports just fired a Sportscaster for his stated position against Gay Marriage when he ran for the Senate as a Republican... when that was the Law of the Land.
He never said that opinion on the air... he was there to talk sports... but they TOLD him they fired him for that.
This is not the country of our Fathers... and some of us are just about to the really angry point.... you know the one.... where the shit hits the fan?
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2013 12:09 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Yip at September 24, 2013 12:09 PM (/jHWN)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 12:09 PM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 12:09 PM (r2PLg)
Like, I know he's not trying to mention it to make Vitter uncomfortable, but still...probably best left unstated?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:10 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 24, 2013 03:09 PM (/kI1Q
-- What? I'm gobsmacked
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 24, 2013 12:10 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 12:10 PM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Schaeffer at September 24, 2013 04:05 PM (rqazu)
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It's because I didn't vote for Dear Leader or any dem and I don't want to suffer the consequences of Ocare. I don't want to completely destroy my country to teach a group of people a lesson.
Posted by: Soona at September 24, 2013 12:11 PM (3sDOE)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 24, 2013 04:09 PM (YjDyJ)
Senate rules can be changed with a simple majority vote... they are RULES... not law.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2013 12:11 PM (lZBBB)
Hollowpoint:
Correction, solid, logical, good principles win out. That is still the case and America is a shining example.
Although our light is dimming, it ain't nearly out yet. Marxism is actually in its death throes.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 24, 2013 12:11 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 24, 2013 12:12 PM (U2UQk)
"If you ever mention extortion again, I'll have your legs broken." Mayor Carmine DePasto
Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 12:12 PM (/29Nl)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 12:12 PM (r2PLg)
I laughed at the pith. Well played.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 24, 2013 12:12 PM (eHIJJ)
I mean, Cruz is supposed to be a debate team champion, right?
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader
And his point was not one of comparing the opposition to nazis. His point, if any had bothered to listen, was that "IT'S HARD" isn't a good enough excuse to stop the ACA.
Period. That was the only point of the list of difficult things that had been overcome.
All Jeff hears is "nazis" and proceeds to run up on the AoSHQ stage and shit his drawers. Quite frankly, I don't think you want to stand behind him.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 24, 2013 12:12 PM (ligos)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 12:13 PM (/PCJa)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 12:13 PM (yETln)
Posted by: Boone at September 24, 2013 12:13 PM (3p8HS)
Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 12:14 PM (r2PLg)
Well Cruz also compared defunding the ACA to sending a man to the moon and winning the cold war. Those took ten years and forty-five years, respectively. Is that really the timeline Cruz wants to be invoking here?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:14 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Chicagorefugee, currently in #twittergulag at September 24, 2013 12:15 PM (jevZa)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike
Please tell me what the Republican House can pass that would please you.
The only power the Republican House has is that it controls the purse strings, so its exercising its power by fully defunding ObamaCare.
Also, defunding ObamaCare doesn't mean it's no longer law. We still have a Constitution that has the proper procedure for passing or repealing laws.
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 12:15 PM (9Mu4z)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 12:15 PM (/PCJa)
Posted by: small town girl in wyoming at September 24, 2013 12:16 PM (dKrTw)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 12:16 PM (sYLzD)
Just asking because it's getting hard to keep track of who's a Traitor To The Cause and who's not.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:16 PM (n/+FT)
Times like these, I'm actually glad I have work to do at work.
Maybe it's been clarified upthread, but isn't the question Gabe was asking the stuff Mark Steyn was talking about yesterday? Reid can change the rules if he wants, and that is why some of the Rs in the Senate wanted to prevent cloture...
Really though, only rogues and charlatans understand Senate rules. That chamber is about the worst possible way to have a legislative body.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2013 12:16 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: prescient11 at September 24, 2013 04:11 PM (tVTLU)
And as the Founding Fathers predicted.... so is Democracy.
When you can convince a simple majority they can get a Free Lunch, Democracy will inevitably collapse. (which is why the Founders created a Republic, not a Democracy...).
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2013 12:16 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: small town girl in wyoming at September 24, 2013 12:16 PM (dKrTw)
I like Vitter as well. Never got to upset at Billy for Monica. Wanting to fuck a hot broad is as normal as apple pie. Adultery not to be smiled upon, but that is not the drone we are looking for.
The left wants to legalize fucking donkeys, and yet "gets all upset" when an R sees a hooker or steps out. We need to flip the script. Lefties wear that shit as a badge of honor almost.
The GOP strategy of worrying about a shutdown is kind of like worrying about getting raped and getting just the tip or the whole shaft.
Fuck it. Do it already. People hate the federal govt. Do you really think it would change if they shut it down??
Posted by: prescient11 at September 24, 2013 12:16 PM (tVTLU)
Just once...I'd like to see a petition/pledge w/o a paypal or Visa/MC logo attached to it.
Posted by: dananjcon at September 24, 2013 12:17 PM (wmU4G)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 12:17 PM (g1DWB)
Well Cruz also compared defunding the ACA to sending a man to the moon and winning the cold war. Those took ten years and forty-five years, respectively. Is that really the timeline Cruz wants to be invoking here?
Posted by: Jeff B.
No, thicky. He said that the excuse of "It's hard," is not an excuse at all. He was comparing it to things that *were* actually difficult. IE defunding ACA is not difficult and there is no excuse not to kill it now.
You really must practice your willful ignorance after hours. Do you have a tutor or do you just slam your head in a car door repeatedly?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 24, 2013 12:18 PM (ligos)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 12:18 PM (sYLzD)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 12:19 PM (/PCJa)
This is unbelievable.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 04:17 PM (g1DWB)
Shit they are still in it ?
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 12:19 PM (nTgAI)
Look, Obama is a fraud in practically every way imaginable. Nobody here disagrees with that. But it has no bearing on Ted Cruz.
And anyway, I already conceded that the Cruz anecdote (which isn't just from "one guy" as people have been repeating on this thread, but has since been confirmed by others who were in his class) is a low blow and not something that can be fairly cited to describe the man as he currently is. It IS funny, but I regret bringing it up for those reasons.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:19 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 12:20 PM (w7Il+)
Posted by: Chicagorefugee, currently in #twittergulag at September 24, 2013 12:20 PM (jevZa)
What replaces marxism will be interesting. Fascism? Individualism? Totalitarianism?
Watch Europe. Eventually balance sheets matter. We are fast approaching that point.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 24, 2013 12:20 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 24, 2013 12:20 PM (QF8uk)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 12:20 PM (a4Omg)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 12:21 PM (g1DWB)
You're not doing me any favors here, bro!
Still, always nice to see you around. "Daywalking," indeed.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:21 PM (n/+FT)
Waiting for perfect -- rarely a good idea.
Posted by: gracepmc at September 24, 2013 12:22 PM (rznx3)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 12:23 PM (sYLzD)
I hate a number of Senate rules but they are what they are. Changing the threshold requires unanimous consent, as does McConnell's proposal to speed-up the process.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 24, 2013 12:23 PM (YjDyJ)
Someone explain why this wasn't the plan all along, have the House pass 3 different CRs. 1 with a 1 year delay, 1 with a complete defund and 1 that eliminates all of the waivers, delays & special goodies Obama has handed out and then fucking go home. Tell Reid to pick one and send it on to the President.
By sitting around waiting to get Senate CR back on Sept 30th and on record as not wanting to shut the government down they just let Reid write the CR unopposed. Well played, guys.
Posted by: Joe at September 24, 2013 12:24 PM (9r3GM)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 12:24 PM (w7Il+)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader
Don't Mention The War!
Ok, got it.
Sorry, but the idea that we have to pretend to forget anything that happened from 1930 to 1945 is pretty much the opposite of learning.
Again, the RevWar, defeating the 3rd Reich, man to moon; all difficult things. Yes? Yes.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 24, 2013 12:25 PM (ligos)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 12:25 PM (a4Omg)
Isn't that precisely the point I've made like three or four times in this thread, after initially bringing it up? I listened to this point (Brother Cavil made it to me first) and decided he (and you) were right.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:27 PM (n/+FT)
This was a major emphasis that DrewM. railed about and it's a good one. Personalize the pain and counter-emote the Democrats. It does work. LIVs love stories. Furthermore, it reinforces that which they themselves are experiencing either first- or secondhand.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 24, 2013 12:27 PM (eHIJJ)
If they win this one they will only be down by 1 race. Unbelievable comeback.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 04:21 PM (g1DWB)
My tinfoil hat came on after they were up 5-1 and then this miraculous comeback happened. My conspiracy theory is that after they got an insurmountable lead, agreed to throw the next four races and then be allowed to win the last in order to keep the regatta going.
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 12:29 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 12:30 PM (w7Il+)
Cruz is making some great points here, BTW. I dunno if anyone's listening, but he's rollin' at this point.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:31 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 12:32 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 04:02 PM (m2CN7)
There are worse comparisons. McCarthy died drunk and alone, but he was a patriot and--most importantly--he was right about nearly everything.
Posted by: troyriser at September 24, 2013 12:32 PM (2jF2B)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 04:30 PM (w7Il+)
So if he would have said the Axis that would have satisfied your semantic rules of debate?
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 12:33 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: 4th horseman do the apocalypse ( no I have not lost my head) at September 24, 2013 12:33 PM (KuZ6A)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 12:33 PM (DmNpO)
Rand Paul has that crazy fire that burns from the same place that it does in his nutty ol' dad. It's both worrisome and rather inspiring.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:33 PM (n/+FT)
Eh, something tells me they're not watching C-SPAN right now.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:34 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 04:33 PM (m2CN7)
I dunno. My grandfather didn't make any semantic distinctions when talking about our enemies in WWII: fucking Germans, fucking Italians, fucking Japs...seems like a fairly straightforward approach.
Posted by: troyriser at September 24, 2013 12:35 PM (2jF2B)
Nothing, if and ONLY if we understand that there's no chance that it'll happen anytime soon and don't demand politically counterproductive means in pursuit of the impossible.
When (not if) it fails, I don't think it likely the reaction of the base will be "Oh well, at least we got our message out and forced the Dems to stand behind the terrible, unpopular Obamacare."
No, I imagine it'll be more along the lines of "omg teh gop Establishment caved cuz there rinos and just like democrats and me more mad now"
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 24, 2013 12:35 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: 4th horseman do the apocalypse ( no I have not lost my head) at September 24, 2013 12:36 PM (KuZ6A)
Look, everyone here agrees that the only way ObamaCare gets repealed is with Republican control of DC. But once it gets implemented- just like Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security- it will never *ever* go away. If we can defund it, then we prevent it from going into effect- giving us at least the snowball's chance in hell of repealing the godawful thing. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est
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Then what's wrong with the House defunding ObamaCare, like they did already? My main issue is that here is a positive step and Cruz decides to try an torpedo it because he wants to run for President.
The Democrats and Obama are NOT going to pass a law repealing ObamaCare over a government shutdown.
As long as we're asking for ridiculous things, why not say we're shutting down the government unless we have balanced budgets, a flat tax, right-to-work in all 50 states, and Obama and Biden have to resign?
I would say all of these are more important than ObamaCare. Are Republicans in the House RINO's because they're not willing to shut everything down over these issues?
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 12:36 PM (9Mu4z)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:36 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 04:02 PM (m2CN7)
There are worse comparisons. McCarthy died drunk and alone, but he was a patriot and--most importantly--he was right about nearly everything.
Posted by: troyriser at September 24, 2013 04:32 PM (2jF2B)
You're preaching to the choir. Unfortunately I can't reverse the damage the left / communists did to Senator McCarthy and his image. Every chance I get I try to correct that image.
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 12:37 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 24, 2013 12:37 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 12:37 PM (g1DWB)
Yeah, and this is what irks me about what Cruz is doing. Even now, on the floor, Cruz said (paraphrasing) that if his defunding plan fails then it will be because the 'vested interests' in the Senate just wanted to protect the 'old order.' Which is BS, of course.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:38 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Yip at September 24, 2013 12:38 PM (/jHWN)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 12:39 PM (w7Il+)
No, I imagine it'll be more along the lines of "omg teh gop Establishment caved cuz there rinos and just like democrats and me more mad now"
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 24, 2013 04:35 PM (SY2Kh)
Of course that is what you imagine because that is what will have to happen to prove you were correct. What will happen is that the Democrats will own this piece of crap lock stock and barrel and the press cannot spin it otherwise. Funny that what I want to happen and imagine is beneficial to our side and what you want to happen and imagine is not.
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 12:40 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 12:40 PM (sYLzD)
McCarthy was an ass. The Communist threat was real -- extremely real -- and people like McCarthy hurt anti-Communism as a movement with his drunken half-assed make-stuff-up rhetoric and wild unfounded accusations.
Nixon was a pretty shitty president, no question about it, but when it comes to Communist hunting, he's my golden ideal, not an opportunist like McCarthy. The Left never forgave Nixon for nailing Alger Hiss to the wall, which is a damn good thing to say in Nixon's favor.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 12:41 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 04:39 PM (w7Il+)
You didn't answer the question. If he would have used the term Axis would that have been okay?
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 12:42 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Chicagorefugee, currently in #twittergulag at September 24, 2013 12:42 PM (jevZa)
That's how I took his point.
Posted by: Yip at September 24, 2013 12:44 PM (/jHWN)
Posted by: Bubba at September 24, 2013 12:44 PM (8tLzE)
I would love for it to happen but Reid and his devious bang of thugs will not yield so easily. They would prefer this mess be back in Boehner's court. As for McConnell's plan, one of the benefits is that it forces red-state Democrats to take a tough vote on stripping the ObamaCare defunding measure.
But it has as much (or, frankly, better) a chance at succeeding as any other "plan" currently on the table for stopping this shit-sandwich from being shoved down my throat.
I would use the debt ceiling to push for full repeal and settle for delays of the individual and employer mandates as well as the exchange subsidies.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 24, 2013 12:45 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 12:48 PM (w7Il+)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 12:50 PM (w7Il+)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 04:41 PM (n/+FT)
I bet you believe McCarthy damaged innocent people in Hollywood by publically naming them right?
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 12:50 PM (m2CN7)
The House hasn't defunded Obamacare, they passed a bill. To truly defund they would have to refuse reconciliation that put Obamacare funding back in, and we all know what their stand is on that, so let's put that little gem to gem to bed now OK?
Posted by: Melvin Frohike
So the only way to oppose something truly is shutting down the government, not passing a bill repealing it or defunding it? That's the new goalpost?
Why not make Obama and Biden resign by midnight or the government gets shut down?
If you're against such a tactic, you must be a closet Obama-lover.
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 12:52 PM (9Mu4z)
In the end, it will all be forgotten about 72 hours from now, if not sooner.
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 04:50 PM (w7Il+)
Still won't answer the question. Would you say it would have been foolish for him to refer to the Axis instead of the Nazis? Its not a hard question.
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 12:52 PM (m2CN7)
If you're against such a tactic, you must be a closet Obama-lover.
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 04:52 PM (9Mu4z)
You just went lefty with your ability to make logical comparisons.
Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 12:55 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 12:56 PM (sYLzD)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike
They passed a bill to defund ObamaCare? That's what that body is supposed to do in order to make a change, pass bills, it's pretty clear if you read the Constitution. Got it?
Can I have the list of conservative Republicans that vote everytime against ObamaCare, but secretly in their heart of hearts love ObamaCare?
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 01:01 PM (9Mu4z)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at September 24, 2013 01:01 PM (w7Il+)
Posted by: gracepmc at September 24, 2013 01:01 PM (rznx3)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 01:03 PM (sYLzD)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 01:06 PM (sYLzD)
Posted by: m at September 24, 2013 01:06 PM (jlqKz)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 01:18 PM (sYLzD)
Posted by: McAdams at September 24"
Look they passed a but that legislation has to pass both houses and get signed by the president to become law; the house can take a stand on an issue or cave, you know in this case they plan to cave, it's simple. The House bill is symbolic, they have defunded nothing and do not plan to defund anything. I don't know how to make this any clearer to you Posted by: Melvin Frohike
My issue is you keep moving the goalposts. What you're essentially saying is conservatives should be able to control the entire government from control of the House of Representatives, including repealing laws by simply shutting down the government when it doesn't get it's way.
That's not how you govern, it's not going to work, and it's not going to win votes at the ballot box which is how you actually get laws repealed.
My question to you that you haven't answered is why stop at Obamacare with this tactic? Why not have a laundry list of demands if we can govern this way?
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 01:20 PM (9Mu4z)
the left / communists did to Senator McCarthy and his image. Every
chance I get I try to correct that image.
McCarthy was an ass. The Communist threat was real -- extremely real -- and people like McCarthy hurt anti-Communism as a movement with his drunken half-assed make-stuff-up rhetoric and wild unfounded accusations.
Nixon was a pretty shitty president, no question about it, but when it comes to Communist hunting, he's my golden ideal, not an opportunist like McCarthy. The Left never forgave Nixon for nailing Alger Hiss to the wall, which is a damn good thing to say in Nixon's favor.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 04:41 PM (n/+FT)"
That is the conventional wisdom but after watching things like the prosecution of Tom Delay because he was effective, I am tempted to wonder if it is true. The fact is that there were hundreds of Communists in the State Department. The Venona intercepts and later on archives from the KGB files confirm this.
The Army vs. McCarthy business was largely Roy Cohen's doing and reflects more that McCarthy should have supervised his subordinates more closely than anything else. Or maybe it just argues against employing homosexuals in responsible positions because they tend to do things that get people worked up and angry and some of that blows back on their boss. 
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 24, 2013 01:20 PM (31Nrp)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 01:29 PM (sYLzD)
You keep arguing with yourself, you say the House has the power to grant spending, but it isn't using it. I'd call a bill cutting off funding to Obamacare "using" their authority.
There are far more pressing issues than ObamaCare, like the fact we have trillions in unfunded entitlements outside of Obamacare and are about to go over a fiscal cliff, yet they get ignored because it's not an easy soundbite?
This is all about putting Cruz in the spotlight, and attempting to shut down everything because you don't have the numbers in Congress to actually repeal a bill is not only doomed for failure, it's going to make our problems worse as Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to shutting down the government, even over ObamaCare.
Posted by: McAdams at September 24, 2013 01:40 PM (9Mu4z)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 24, 2013 02:11 PM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 24, 2013 02:42 PM (sYLzD)
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Posted by: Chris_Balsz at September 24, 2013 03:50 PM (B7iEg)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at September 24, 2013 03:53 PM (B7iEg)
"@gabrielmalor To be fair, we're not aware of a precedent for undoing caps like those in the BCA. That's what changing levels would require."
Apparently the "Senate Budget GOP" isn't competent enough to remember that "rules" and "precedent" didn't stop Obamacare from being rammed through in the first place. Basing our future on "rules" and "precedents" that the democrats routinely ignore is a fools errand, but quite convenient for appeasers.
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