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December 11, 2013

Senate Democrats Up For Reelection Say Obama's Phony Phixes to Obamacare Aren't Enough; Plan a "Multifaceted" Reform
— Ace

Or at least a "multifaceted" campaign season PR push.

Senate Democrats facing tough reelections say President Obama has not done enough to fix the botched rollout of his healthcare law and are vowing to repair it themselves.
The Senate Democratic leadership is not on board with lawmaker plans to begin rewriting ObamaCare and have urged for more time to assess the changes made by Obama and his team, lawmakers say.
Landrieu, Shaheen and Udall face reelection next year.
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Shaheen wants to extend the enrollment period for the ACA; Landrieu wants to mandate that insurance companies continue to offer plans that people like, even if they donÂ’t meet the lawÂ’s requirements; and Udall wants to expand the pool of people included in the individual insurance marketplace.
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The topic [Landrieu's suggestion that people be permitted to re-up on their old policies] came up briefly at a Tuesday lunch meeting, but Reid has urged the group of centrists to be patient and put off action until after Jan. 1.
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Bennet and other Democrats have expressed concerns about what many expect to be a wave of new ObamaCare regulations.
Â“IÂ’m concerned about the regulations which have yet to be issued,Â” said Angus King (Maine), an independent who caucuses with the Democrats.
He expressed concern that businesses providing healthcare coverage could be hit by excessive paperwork demands.
Â“This town seems to like issuing regulations,Â” he added. Â“I think the administration should be exceedingly careful about the onerousness of the regulations that are issued.Â”
Bennet said there should be an easier process to repeal ill-conceived rules related to healthcare and other issues.

Reid is committed to the "Buy Time" plan, just like Obama is. What Magical Rescue do they expect on January 1st?

As Drew writes in the post below, only 5-15% of the tiny number of Obamacare enrollees have actually paid their first month's premium. That means the tiny number of these so-called "enrollees" overstates the number of people who have actually purchased insurance by a factor of around 10.

About 36,500 people, or thereabouts, will actually have insurance on January 1st.

Five million people have lost insurance due to Obamacare.

It is usually the case that putting off the realization of a setback results in the ultimate setback being even worse when it arrives. That seems very likely to be the case here.

In twenty days we're going to start seeing the use of the C-word -- Crisis. And this is a crisis of Obama's making, Obama, Reid, Pelosi. All of them. They took people's insurance away and in return gave them a non-functioning website that cost several billion dollars of taxpayer money.

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1 I think the "Jesus Forgives" strategy shows more promise.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 11, 2013 09:14 AM (8ZskC)

2 I think the "Jesus Forgives" strategy shows more promise.

Jesus forgives.

Voters won't.

Posted by: EC at December 11, 2013 09:15 AM (GQ8sn)

3 Or Jesus take the wheel.

Posted by: NCKate at December 11, 2013 09:15 AM (R2eVV)

4 It's all gone wrong because the Republicans just don't like it, or something.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 09:15 AM (5M2+1)

5 Sssssssssssssssss...

Posted by: The Fuse on the Employer Mandate Bomb at December 11, 2013 09:15 AM (8ZskC)

6 "And this is a crisis of Obama's making, Obama, Reid, Pelosi. All of them." No, dammit, Ace. It's the Republicans' fault for not being sufficiently supportive! / Democrat hack

Posted by: JPS at December 11, 2013 09:15 AM (Vt6Ux)

7 front's comin'

Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at December 11, 2013 09:15 AM (omBWL)

8 If the democrats would just put the productive Americans into camps, they could still enjoy the fruits of their labors, without having to fear their votes.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 09:16 AM (79zi+)

9 "Never let a crisis go to waste" Didn't one of Obummer's advisors say this? (Yes I know the answer to that.) So...how will they utilize a crisis that they orchestrated?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 09:16 AM (GaqMa)

10 They're feeling the heat, not seeing the light. If re-elected they will be back to big time socialism after a few phony fixes with other people's money.,

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 11, 2013 09:17 AM (XUKZU)

11 Hey, no worries. Let's do immigration reform.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 11, 2013 09:17 AM (659DL)

12 Can we just send the entire Congress to a camp, and start over?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 11, 2013 09:17 AM (vHRtU)

13 ()bama is like Kevin Bacon in Animal House. Remain calm! All Is Well! He and his merry band of idiots are about to be run over and flattened by their own hands. And they deserve all of it. Own it fuckers!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 09:17 AM (5M2+1)

14 >>So...how will they utilize a crisis that they orchestrated?

Same old. . .same old.

'" Obamacare didn't go FAR ENOUGH, and now we need 'single payer". "

Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 09:17 AM (TZsWx)

15 Because of President Barack Obama and the ACA, Pre-Existing Conditions are covered. Benghazi can get the Health Insurance he's been denied for so long.

Posted by: Annie Kuster (D-NH) at December 11, 2013 09:17 AM (HkeqY)

16 Gateway Pundit, who almost died a few months ago and had to have heart surgery, had his insurance killed by Obama this week.

Posted by: FlatbushJoe at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (ZPrif)

17 Hate to tell you guys and gals, but it's long way to the end-of-the-pipe, and the voters on that end don't look too happy.

Posted by: Andy Dufresne at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (Pr6hk)

18 Ace: "They took people's insurance away and in return gave them a non-functioning website that cost several billion dollars of taxpayer money."

Generations of taxpayer money. Democrats say "Eat the kids".

Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (HjPtV)

19 "multifaceted", throw a bunch of shit against the wall and see if anyone notices. Assholes.

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (LsF5M)

Obamacare walks into a bar.

The bartender says , " What can I get you?"

Obamacare says " give me 15 shots of jagermeister and 10 beers to chase them down and a bottle of scotch"

The bartender says " what are you trying to do, kill yourself?"

Obamacare replies " of course not, I'm just trying to fix myself"

Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (m2CN7)

21 F-word C-word caused by O-word.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (S+wJC)

22 There is an old saying, "No person is useless, you can always serve as a bad example." And so Obamacare will be such an example for conservatives. The word itself will be a metaphor. In fact, I think the word "Obama" will be a metaphor, and not in a good way. Not good at all.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (T0NGe)

23 Squirm, you rats, SQUIRM!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (7ObY1)

24 All of these "fixes" are just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and it's already going down.

How much money do you want to bet they will try to delay the employer mandate AGAIN? By law, notices must be transmitted within 90 days of the cutoff date. That just happens to be right BEFORE the election.

The dems have locked themselves in the freezer and there's no one outside the door.

Posted by: EC at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (GQ8sn)

25 If the democrats would just put the productive Americans into camps, they could still enjoy the fruits of their labors, without having to fear their votes. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 01:16 PM ..........................Hey, give them time, they are working on it.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 09:18 AM (5M2+1)

26 I saw Multifaceted Reform open for Utter Catastrophe at Veterans Stadium back in '87. It was epic.

Posted by: jakeman at December 11, 2013 09:19 AM (vH4YP)

27 We need to make these jackasses of both parties realize that this program doesn't need to be delayed, it needs to be repealed. As bad as the effects on the medical system is, it is raising havoc with the employment system. People will shortly begin losing homes becasue income levels have fallen to the point they can no longer meet their bills. People are grumbling and the word revolution is being heard from time to time. All of these fools need to be tossed out and someone with common sense elected.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 11, 2013 09:19 AM (Eq2MX)

28 Not to mention the fact that if you can, indeed, sign up on that website, that it is so vulnerable to hackers that it scares even the founder of McAfee.

Posted by: HH at December 11, 2013 09:19 AM (XXwdv)

29 Sort of OT, but really worth it: The WSJ has an article on about 2000 WWII vets lobotomized by the VA. http://projects.wsj.com/lobotomyfiles/?ch=one Colin Powell could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 09:19 AM (T0NGe)

30 'Jesus, don't cry. You can rely on me honey. You can log on any time you want.'

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 11, 2013 09:19 AM (HkeqY)

31
Such a sad Christmas for so many Americans. The anxiety of those that already know they lost their insurance, coupled with those that may loste their insurance has got to be overwhelming. What a nightmare.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 11, 2013 09:19 AM (IXrOn)

32 If I were a Republican running against these clowns, I'd be reminding the electorate that all these problems were predicted well in advance, and that the Dems all voted for this monstrosity DESPITE the warnings.

Personally, I can't wait until enough Dems get peeled off of this POS that Obama has to veto repeal of his stupid law.

Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 09:19 AM (TZsWx)

33 16 Gateway Pundit, who almost died a few months ago and had to have heart surgery, had his insurance killed by Obama this week. Happened to just finish reading Hoft's post over at GWP. Sad, very sad.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 09:20 AM (7ObY1)

34 The Dems and Obamacare: A cinematic metaphor

http://tinyurl.com/cz4s5qz

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 11, 2013 09:20 AM (8ZskC)

35 Senate Democrats want to violate the law just long enough to get by the elections and they have no qualms about it. They routinely violate the law in elections, that is why they are so opposed to photo ID for voting. They are firm believers in the end justifies the means.

And what is the end they want? Full bore communism in the US with them being the single Party in charge of all the bureaucrats who will control the ignorant mobs living in squalor and standing in line for day old bread.

In short they want 1950s USSR.

In short I want an opposition Party who will call this out. And call them for what they are.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 11, 2013 09:20 AM (T2V/1)

36 I saw Multifaceted Reform open for Quicksilver Messenger Service in '74.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 11, 2013 09:20 AM (LSJmV)

37 Colon Powell was obviously one of them.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 09:20 AM (79zi+)

38 In twenty days we're going to start seeing the use of the C-word -- Crisis. And this is a crisis of Obama's making, Obama, Reid, Pelosi. All of them. They took people's insurance away and in return gave them a non-functioning website that cost several billion dollars of taxpayer money. Tick. Tock.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 09:21 AM (cUARf)

39 Those who can, do. Those who can't, impose regulations on those who can.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 11, 2013 09:21 AM (oFCZn)

40 Rather obviously, they're just trying to distance themselves from what they demanded and voted for, so they can be re-elected and keep demanding and voting for the same things. Unfortunately, people are kind of stupid, it might work.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 11, 2013 09:21 AM (qyfb5)

41 OT but still about Obama. Obama's selfie at the Mandela memorial? Michelle sitting by, looking dignified and disapproving. Suppose that's planned. To make her look "presidential". Just think about it.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at December 11, 2013 09:21 AM (DoZD+)

42 How much money do you want to bet they will try to delay the employer mandate AGAIN? I'll bet a substantial amount that Team Hillary is already agitating for this.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 11, 2013 09:21 AM (659DL)

43 They were lying for years. The "Lion of the Senate", Teddy Fucking Kennedy lied about nationalized health care for decades. They lied about it in 2009. The engaged in a series of lies and shams to get this passed. They've been lying about it since 2009. They are lying now. They will continue to lie about into the future. And they get rewarded for lying. And the Media enables them.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 11, 2013 09:21 AM (RFeQD)

44 "As Drew writes in the post below, only 5-15% of the tiny number of Obamacare enrollees have actually paid their first month's premium." He did? Maybe you're confusing Allahpundit with Drew. Does that happen often?

Posted by: NotCoach at December 11, 2013 09:21 AM (rsudF)

45 "Multifaceted" is the new "Nuanced."

Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2013 09:22 AM (+cx5n)

46 Your move, senator Cruz.

Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at December 11, 2013 09:22 AM (LSJmV)

47 I wasn't getting "dignified" out of Mooch in the pics. Scowling and angry, yes. About to unhinge her prehensile jaw and swallow the Danish PM, yes. Dignified...no.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 09:22 AM (7ObY1)

48 Hey! I got your fucking multifaceted reform right here. Repeal this piece of shit legislation. For Gods sake, doing something right instead of political.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 11, 2013 09:23 AM (HVff2)

49 "We couldn't do it correctly because the Republicans refused to support us!"

the only time a leftist admits that he's wrong is when he's stopping in court for a few words before being packed off to the gulag.

Posted by: Mallfly at December 11, 2013 09:23 AM (bJm7W)

50 29 Colin Powell could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 01:19 PM (T0NGe)

But he had time to say he agreed with single payer yesterday. (See link in Morning News)

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 11, 2013 09:23 AM (T2V/1)

51 HUGE HUGE HUGE thing for people looking for a plan! I found a better alternative than Samaritan! Christian Healthcare Ministries is $450/month for a family of 3 or more at there highest level but here's the big thing... They do offer some coverage for pre-existing conditions. Up to $15,000 for the first year, and then more coverage every year until you hit year 3 when it will no longer be considered pre-existing and will be fully covered. I know I sound like an ad, but this is seriously the best thing I've come across in the past 3 months. Also, they don't have the statement of faith issue that we had with Samaritan, which probably doesn't matter to anyone else, but it's a huge plus for us.

Posted by: Lauren at December 11, 2013 09:23 AM (hFL/3)

52 The Dems and Obamacare: A cinematic metaphor http://tinyurl.com/cz4s5qz Holy flashback at how awesome TV was back in the days of innocence!

Posted by: jakeman at December 11, 2013 09:23 AM (vH4YP)

53 OT but still about Obama. Obama's selfie at the Mandela memorial? Michelle sitting by, looking dignified and disapproving. Suppose that's planned. To make her look "presidential". Just think about it.
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I wouldn't mind one iota if Michelle Obama wanted to run for POTUS. That would mess up the Dem primaries really nicely, plus, she'd be effectively unelectable in the actual election. . . assuming she won the nomination (which I'd bet against).

The word "Obama" isn't going to carry a lot of positive weight in 2016.

Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 09:23 AM (TZsWx)

54 In short I want an opposition Party who will call this out. And call them for what they are. Posted by: Vic at December 11, 2013 01:20 PM (T2V/1) Hide posts from (T2V/1) Gosh that would be nice.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 11, 2013 09:24 AM (qyfb5)

55 And the Media enables them. Posted by: Ribald Conservative ------------------------- That is the essence of the problem.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 11, 2013 09:24 AM (aDwsi)

56 Look on the bright side. The longer the POS and his Renfield running the senate stall, the more likely that we get mass violence in response to this crap.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 09:24 AM (79zi+)

57 Michelle sitting by, looking dignified I saw The Dignified Elbows open for Michelle Shocked at the Roseland Ballroom in 1989.

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 09:25 AM (HkeqY)

58 I especially liked this part,

Bennet and other Democrats have expressed concerns about what many expect to be a wave of new ObamaCare regulations.

If only people had the courtesy to warn the democrats about this coming wave of harmful regulations all this unpleasantness could have been avoided. If only citizens had taken the time to warn their representatives and senators in "town hall" style meetings, maybe the word would have gotten out. Oh well.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 11, 2013 09:25 AM (+lsX1)

59 This whole affair is like watching a car roll down a hill on its side. Every time it rolls onto its wheels the Democrats cheer, thinking it's all over only to see it continue down the hillside.

It's enough to warm the coldest of conservative hearts.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 11, 2013 09:25 AM (B0gqn)

60 I think the "Jesus Forgives" strategy shows more promise.

Jesus forgives.

Voters won't.

Posted by: EC

I'd run Pryor's ad in other states - with a scroll away to text: "Sen. Landreiu, how about an apology, too."

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 09:25 AM (4JkHl)

61 By fix they mean the website. There is no fixing the coverage and costs and the fact that its driving up costs for everyone and that special people seem to be exempt.

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 11, 2013 09:26 AM (h4eud)

62 No fix. Repeal. These dems are a little too cute by a half. A blatent have their cake and eat it too move. They can't get behind repeal because they are sycophantic dems, but they have to try to get some propaganda out there to try to get re-elected.

Posted by: Havedash at December 11, 2013 09:26 AM (gvqyH)

63 O/T but does anyone carry (like I do) virtually100% of the time except when asleep? I feel naked without that weight on my right hip. If I can't come into your place without my peace, I don't come in. Except for today. Wife has ultrasound today and I am going with her to doctor to see my baby. But I am going to be unarmed and won't be happy about that.

Posted by: traye at December 11, 2013 09:26 AM (THnW/)

64 I saw The Dignified Elbows open for Michelle Shocked at the Roseland Ballroom in 1989. I was there! Remember when Scowling Harpy joined them for the encore? Good times, good times.

Posted by: jakeman at December 11, 2013 09:26 AM (vH4YP)

65 *still laughing about Mark Levin's comment saying he was surprised that the JEF and Castro didn't exchange spit... vs a handshake. ahahaha

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 11, 2013 09:27 AM (IXrOn)

66 It's clear that what the Democrats want is power without accountability. If the voters let them get away with it, I don't see how the country, as currently constituted, can survive.

Posted by: Zombie Dean Wormer at December 11, 2013 09:27 AM (2tjte)

67 Visibly Sweating Dem Senator: We need to fix Obamacare immediately!

Cool Republican Challenger: They lied to you and look what happened. If elected, I will vote for complete repeal of Obamacare.

Who are you going to vote for?

Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 09:27 AM (TZsWx)

68 It's enough to warm the coldest of conservative hearts.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 11, 2013 01:25 PM (B0gqn)

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I'd agree..... except there's alot of us standing around at the bottom of that hill.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 11, 2013 09:27 AM (nELVU)

69 I don't think Mooch was looking "dignified". She had the same look on her face that she wears every time she is forced to sit next to a white woman and doesn't think the cameras are on her.

Posted by: B at December 11, 2013 09:28 AM (twiRb)

70 Number of people who will have insurance through the exchanges come the 1st of January: 0.0 Remember they haven't built the back end payment system and they're still giving crap data to the insurance companies.

Posted by: Ken in NH at December 11, 2013 09:28 AM (MqjGP)

71 Michelle Obama for POTUS. Hmmm...that would be two historic "firsts": first woman POTUS and first spouse to succeed a sitting POTUS. And that would get us away from any teabagger blowback if we were to call for the laws to be changed so Our Lord and Savior Barack Hussein Obama can run for a third term. Aaaand, we can still call anyone who opposes her (and us) a rayciss. It's just so full of win. Count us IN!

Posted by: The MSM at December 11, 2013 09:28 AM (7ObY1)

72 Listen the democrats win whether they're in power, out of power, whether they have created the crisis or not. Know this, obamacare is going nowhere. Its not going to be repealed merely rejiggered. Even if the gop somehow gains the senate and holds the house obamacare is not being repealed. GOP-E has no desire to.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 11, 2013 09:28 AM (BNuW6)

73 Just wondering do US citizens living abroad have to buy ObamaCare, I mean it's a Tax so they have to get? Right?

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 11, 2013 09:28 AM (b6koZ)

74 The story will get worse, not better, in January. Big popcorn. they're behind all of this.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 11, 2013 09:28 AM (1Sw7Y)

75 By all means, follow Reid's advice. He's not running again.

Posted by: Gordon at December 11, 2013 09:29 AM (2sT0g)

76 re 41: kind of like Hillary! and Bill:
he was always the one who wanted some fun in life, she was always the schoolmarm (and a dishonest one at that.)

Posted by: Mallfly at December 11, 2013 09:29 AM (bJm7W)

77 When I get through with this session in Congress Democrat will only be spoken in hell.

Posted by: Senator Zombie Buill Halsey at December 11, 2013 09:29 AM (T2V/1)

78 I hereby declare this pooch royally screwed.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at December 11, 2013 09:30 AM (8ZskC)

79 The Burning! It burns!

Posted by: The Democrats at December 11, 2013 09:30 AM (Tlix5)

80 If we had a decent media, the Dems contemplating the multi-faceted approach would constantly be asked "Why not just repeal it, it's not what you said it was, nobody likes it, including the Government employees you just exempted." Pretty basic shit.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 11, 2013 09:30 AM (ZshNr)

81 Michelle sitting by, looking dignified and disapproving. Suppose that's planned. To make her look "presidential".

I thought the plan was for her to take back the Obama Senate Seat in Illinois from Mark Kirk. Hereditary sinecures and whatnot.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 11, 2013 09:30 AM (ZKzrr)

82 Visibly Sweating Dem Senator: We need to fix Obamacare immediately!

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Fuck you you sweaty douche bag.

The time to fix it was during debate..... which you voted against. The time to fix it was when there was legislative fix to the grandfathering problem.... which you ALSO voted against.

The time to fix has come and gone.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 11, 2013 09:30 AM (nELVU)

83 I was there! Remember when Scowling Harpy joined them for the encore? Good times, good times. Scowling Harpy...isn't that the band who's songs are almost all about how they are misunderstood lesbians? And the rest of their songs are about how callous the world is towards misunderstood lesbians?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 09:30 AM (7ObY1)

84 75 By all means, follow Reid's advice. He's not running again.

Posted by: Gordon at December 11, 2013 01:29 PM (2sT0g)

Where did you hear that?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 11, 2013 09:30 AM (T2V/1)

85 What's the problem? Debbie Whatshernamewithapermanentoiliethairdo says they can run on Barkycare next year. What's the problem? Good times, good times.

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at December 11, 2013 09:30 AM (9u2hL)

86 Interesting tidbit - In the northern hemisphere the death spiral moves in a clockwise direction.

When people talk of needing the "young invincibles" to sign up they always describe them as young and healthy, but they really should include wealthy - A young healthy person who signs up with a subsidy won't be subsidizing older sicker workers as the system was designed.

So even if they have a good mix of young and healthy enrollees (which they don't) they also need the ones who are bright enough to earn a fair amount of money but still stupid enough to buy a product they don't need or likely want. Good luck!

Posted by: BuckIV at December 11, 2013 09:30 AM (CLfqv)

87 And the Crisis comes about to waste the Democrats. And the rest of us. But watching the smug beggers get it on the electoral shorts is satisfying.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at December 11, 2013 09:31 AM (hLRSq)

88 If only people had the courtesy to warn the democrats about this coming wave of harmful regulations all this unpleasantness could have been avoided. If only citizens had taken the time to warn their representatives and senators in "town hall" style meetings, maybe the word would have gotten out. Oh well.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 11, 2013 01:25 PM (+lsX1)

Oh come on! Everyone knows they had to pass the bill to find out what was in it.

Posted by: Havedash at December 11, 2013 09:31 AM (gvqyH)

89 I'd agree..... except there's alot of us standing around at the bottom of that hill.

Posted by: fixerupper

True. But this is what L.I.B. looks like.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 11, 2013 09:31 AM (B0gqn)

90 Landrieu wants to mandate that insurance companies continue to offer plans that people like, even if they donÂ’t meet the lawÂ’s requirements

We are going to pass these strict air quality standards for coal fired electricity generation, but if your plant can't meet those standards just go ahead and run it anyway.

We are going to pass these strict highway safety regulations but if you don't agree, just go ahead and do what ever you want.

We are going to pass these strict marijuana laws, but if you want to smoke pot, just go ahead and do it.

We are going to pass these strict new immigration regulations but if you don't like them just come on in anyway and claim your citizenship benefits.

We are going to

Posted by: Dean Deemius at December 11, 2013 09:32 AM (cjBjN)

91 I hereby declare this pooch royally screwed. Posted by: Hairy Reed at December 11, 2013 01:30 PM ....Thank goodness. I needed a break.

Posted by: The Chicken at December 11, 2013 09:32 AM (5M2+1)

92 I don't think Mooch was looking "dignified". She had the same look on her face that she wears every time she is forced to sit next to a white woman and doesn't think the cameras are on her.

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There was a "caption this photo" thingy on Facebook. My entry was "Im soooo pissed.... but at least it's not Reggie".

Posted by: fixerupper at December 11, 2013 09:32 AM (nELVU)

93 O/T but does anyone carry (like I do) virtually100% of the time except when asleep?

I'm starting to ever since a lady got robbed at gunpoint down the street from me in my neighbourhood.

Posted by: EC at December 11, 2013 09:32 AM (GQ8sn)

94 ...Thank goodness. I needed a break. You and me both, buddy.

Posted by: The Toaster at December 11, 2013 09:32 AM (7ObY1)

95 I especially liked this part, Bennet and other Democrats have expressed concerns about what many expect to be a wave of new ObamaCare regulations. If only people had the courtesy to warn the democrats about this coming wave of harmful regulations all this unpleasantness could have been avoided. If only citizens had taken the time to warn their representatives and senators in "town hall" style meetings, maybe the word would have gotten out. Oh well. Not my yob, esse. /Juan

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 09:33 AM (cUARf)

96 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 01:30 PM (7ObY1) You are thinking of Ani DiFranco

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 09:34 AM (HkeqY)

97 Sort of OT, but really worth it: The WSJ has an article on about 2000 WWII vets lobotomized by the VA.

http://projects.wsj.com/lobotomyfiles/?ch=one

Colin Powell could not be reached for comment. Posted by: AmishDude

He might be in the Vietnam era files from the same program.

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 09:34 AM (4JkHl)

98 Instead of a PR push, why don't they just resign?

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at December 11, 2013 09:34 AM (6RwsK)

99 Lauren, my family and in-laws have been on Christian Healthcare for years. They covered all of us even though hubby and his brothers are plagued with diabetes and heart disease. But, the hospitals are getting increasingly more difficult in accepting it. You have to report yourself as self-pay. The machine simply doesn't understand anything besides traditional insurance/medicare/medicaid. And they treat self-pay like they've never heard the term before.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at December 11, 2013 09:34 AM (DoZD+)

100 Gotta give the Dems credit, they've shrunk the rolls of the LIV by fucking over the entire country. Sorry to disturb you dummies, please enjoy your shit sandwich.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2013 09:34 AM (g1DWB)

101 You and me both, buddy. Posted by: The Toaster at December 11, 2013 01:32 PM ......I have your Christmas present.

Posted by: It's My Dick In A Box at December 11, 2013 09:34 AM (5M2+1)

102 And they get rewarded for lying. And the Media enables them. Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 11, 2013 01:21 PM (RFeQD) One party control of the Media is our true enemy.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 11, 2013 09:35 AM (bb5+k)

103 Bennet said there should be an easier process to repeal ill-conceived rules related to healthcare and other issues. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Continues cleaning rifle...)

Posted by: Daybrother at December 11, 2013 09:35 AM (iTMcr)

104 How much money do you want to bet they will try to delay the employer mandate AGAIN? By law, notices must be transmitted within 90 days of the cutoff date. That just happens to be right BEFORE the election.

The dems have locked themselves in the freezer and there's no one outside the door.

Posted by: EC at December 11, 2013 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)

Are you kidding? The White House told Lockheed Martin to break the law and not send their notices before an election. The government paid LM's fines.

Do you really think that won't happen this time around, too?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 09:35 AM (fwARV)

105 Mooch won't run for a senate seat from Il. I can't see her moving her fat ass back to cold Chicago when she can have the serfs pay for her royal life in HI.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 11, 2013 09:35 AM (HVff2)

106 Is that the equivalent to "You know what I said I would not do in your mouth? I promise I will not do it in other places as well."

Posted by: shibumi at December 11, 2013 09:35 AM (25HWz)

107 O/T but does anyone carry (like I do) virtually100% of the time except when asleep? I'm starting to ever since a lady got robbed at gunpoint down the street from me in my neighbourhood. Everywhere. Always.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 09:35 AM (cUARf)

108 I hereby declare this pooch royally screwed. Posted by: Hairy Reed at December 11, 2013 01:30 PM ....Thank goodness. I needed a break. Posted by: The Chicken at December 11, 2013 01:32 PM (5M2+1) You have no idea.

Posted by: Jihadist Sphincter at December 11, 2013 09:36 AM (vH4YP)

109 "If only people had the courtesy to warn the democrats about this coming wave of harmful regulations all this unpleasantness could have been avoided. If only citizens had taken the time to warn their representatives and senators in "town hall" style meetings, maybe the word would have gotten out. Oh well.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 11, 2013 01:25 PM (+lsX1)"

In our defense, those warnings were inaccurate, so we were right to ignore them. This shitstorm is much, much worse than anyone warned it would be. So suck it, wingnut wannabe wonks!

Posted by: Leftist Hack Masquerading As A Wonk at December 11, 2013 09:36 AM (2tjte)

110 If anything I would accelerate he implentation of this law so the dumb American electorate gets what they have coming to them.

Posted by: redenzo at December 11, 2013 09:36 AM (zgVtn)

111 OT but it's just been reported that the sihn language guy at Nutella's funeral WAS signing correctly, but in JSL, Jive Sign Language,,,

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 11, 2013 09:37 AM (vHRtU)

112 Not to mention the fact that if you can, indeed, sign up on that website, that it is so vulnerable to hackers that it scares even the founder of McAfee.

Posted by: HH

John McAfee said that this website is a hackers wet dream.

Posted by: Cheri at December 11, 2013 09:37 AM (G+Wff)

113 Colin Powell could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: AmishDude

He might be in the Vietnam era files from the same program.

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 01:34 PM (4JkHl)

What a huge disappointment he turned out to be.

I almost met him back in college during the early-mid 90's right after the first Gulf War. I was away from campus that day when he visited the army ROTC battalion. I was in Pershing Rifles and he's a Brother too. He posed for pictures and signed autographs for everybody. He was a rock star back then.

Now? He can go sell reverse mortgages for all I care.

Posted by: EC at December 11, 2013 09:37 AM (GQ8sn)

114 Because of the "crisis" that occurs on January 1st, with 5 million losing their insurance, Obama, with the backing of the MSM, will blame the insurance companies and the red states that didn't set up exchanges. He will offer a form of extended Medicare to everyone who lost their insurance for 80% of what they had been paying for their old policies by executive order. Everyone affected will be damn glad to get coverage and the only one taking it in the ass is the U.S. taxpayer. The Hero saves the day. MacGuffins all around. A few stupid people will still be standing with their jaws open, mumbling "He can't do that!", but no one will pay attention to them. The script almost writes itself.

Posted by: jwest at December 11, 2013 09:37 AM (u2a4R)

115 Here's a question, and maybe it's been answered and I just haven't seen it, when we say that "5 million people have lost their insurance" does that number include the people like me? My old plan was cancelled and a new plan offered. Now, I could have said no to the new plan and, I guess, be counted among those that have "lost" insurance due to Obama. I guess what I'm asking is, what's the metric used for "lost"?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 11, 2013 09:37 AM (da5Wo)

116 50 29 Colin Powell could not be reached for comment. Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 01:19 PM (T0NGe) But he had time to say he agreed with single payer yesterday. (See link in Morning News) Posted by: Vic at December 11, 2013 01:23 PM (T2V/1) And he specifically cited the VA as a model.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 09:38 AM (T0NGe)

117 He might be in the Vietnam era files from the same program.

And we're back to the X-Files. "Sleepless". Also known as "the ep with the red Speedo."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 11, 2013 09:38 AM (ZKzrr)

118 OT but it's just been reported that the sihn language guy at Nutella's funeral WAS signing correctly, but in JSL, Jive Sign Language,,, Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 11, 2013 01:37 PM Too bad Barbara Billingsly has passed, she could have interpreted.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 09:38 AM (5M2+1)

119 Are you kidding? The White House told Lockheed Martin to break the law and not send their notices before an election. The government paid LM's fines. Do you really think that won't happen this time around, too? No. LM was one company. They can't print money fast enough to pay for every company in the country.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 09:38 AM (cUARf)

120 You are thinking of Ani DiFranco She happens to be from my hometown. Ani DiFranco pissed off her considerable lesbian fanbase when she (gasp) married an actual man. They went ballistic, calling her a sellout and saying she was never really ghey, she just pretended to be ghey for the accolades.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 09:38 AM (7ObY1)

121 I help those who help themselves, peace out!!

Posted by: God at December 11, 2013 09:38 AM (WdbF7)

122

Try living in Massachusetts, Ace. If all you read were the local papers (excluding the Herald), you'd never know there was anything wrong with Barkycare. The papers won't report it and the letters to the editor pages are filled with stooges claiming the sun shines out of Obama's ass and any problems are the fault of the racist Rethuglicans.

You watch - this will be presented as a "Republican-caused crisis," because the GOP wouldn't cooperate in the rolling out of Obamacare. I'll bet $20 on it.

Who's in with me?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 11, 2013 09:38 AM (zF6Iw)

123 Are you kidding? The White House told Lockheed Martin to break the law and not send their notices before an election. The government paid LM's fines.

Do you really think that won't happen this time around, too?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 01:35 PM (fwARV)

I remember that. Illegal as hell but then again, this is TFG.

People will notice. They can't pay everyone's fines.

Posted by: EC at December 11, 2013 09:39 AM (GQ8sn)

124 http://tinyurl.com/locf3er

and confirmation on the Mandela sign language thing, of course from a British paper.

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 09:39 AM (4JkHl)

125
Here's the problem with Obamacare in a nutshell. Mrs Fixer made this comment the other night.

"Most social programs steal alot from a few people to give lots of people just a little benefit. Nobody complains.

Obamacare steals alot from everybody to give a few people a lot of benefit. Everybody's gonna complain."

Posted by: fixerupper at December 11, 2013 09:39 AM (nELVU)

126 How long until the Dems figure out that this Obamacare thing is just like Dems GOTV ?

Sign up ( no need to "pay")for Ocare early and often! Success!

I predict a massive numbers spike around December 30th.

Posted by: noone, really [/i][/b] at December 11, 2013 09:39 AM (5ikDv)

127 I guess I would have to say to them that THEY passed this shit sandwich on a party line vote. None of them read it, knew what was in it, or cared to know what was in it. All they heard was healthcare from the chocolate Messiah and they said "aye" like a bunch of lockstep zombies.

Fuck them.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 11, 2013 09:40 AM (vg8iE)

128 Did they pay LM or just forget to fine them?

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 09:40 AM (4JkHl)

129 29 Sort of OT, but really worth it: The WSJ has an article on about 2000 WWII vets lobotomized by the VA. http://projects.wsj.com/lobotomyfiles/?ch=one Colin Powell could not be reached for comment. Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 01:19 PM (T0NGe) That is one bewildered individual, right there. The thought of that ass clown actually being hands-on in Gulf 1 gives me the shakes.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 11, 2013 09:40 AM (8sVfu)

130 BC, I take lost insurance as, policy non-renewed and no other policy offered. And that you are on your own looking for a new one.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 11, 2013 09:40 AM (HVff2)

131

I don't think Mooch was looking "dignified". She had the same look on
her face that she wears every time she is forced to sit next to a white
woman and doesn't think the cameras are on her.

That lady can give a death stare that would make Bette Davis and Joan Crawford cringe.

Posted by: Cheri at December 11, 2013 09:41 AM (G+Wff)

132 Have they tried the clown-sized-gavel-parade-in-the-street technique yet? I hear the discipline required to enact that facet of reform is an order of magnitude greater than the let's-fcuk-the-next-generation method.

Posted by: Fritz at December 11, 2013 09:41 AM (TKFmG)

133 If the law is so good, why would Obama tell people they can disobey it?

Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 09:41 AM (TZsWx)

134 ": katya, the designated driver: I'm really glad to hear that it has worked well for you. I'm hoping that the hospitals don't balk too much at us, but I figure that since no one is taking the Exchange plans anyway it won't be too much different.

Posted by: Lauren at December 11, 2013 09:41 AM (hFL/3)

135 jwest, #114: "He will offer a form of extended Medicare to everyone who lost their insurance for 80% of what they had been paying for their old policies by executive order. "Everyone affected will be damn glad to get coverage and the only one taking it in the ass is the U.S. taxpayer. "The Hero saves the day. MacGuffins all around." Well, that was the theory making the rounds - that Obamacare was designed to fail, so they'd have No Choice but to bring in government health care. I doubt that, but I can easily see it working out that way. They know never to let a serious crisis go to waste, even if it is of their own making.

Posted by: JPS at December 11, 2013 09:41 AM (Vt6Ux)

136 Ani DiFranco pissed off her considerable lesbian fanbase when she (gasp) married an actual man. They went ballistic, calling her a sellout and saying she was never really ghey, she just pretended to be ghey for the accolades. Talk about a wound that won't heal...

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 09:41 AM (HkeqY)

137 "Single payer" would still involve taxpayers getting gang banged by multiple federal agencies. But I suppose all of the bangers come from the same "gang." It's not bukkake, it's a tax on your face!

Posted by: wooga at December 11, 2013 09:42 AM (TXmih)

138 They went ballistic, calling her a sellout and saying she was never really ghey, she just pretended to be ghey for the accolades. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 01:38 PM (7ObY1) You can check out any time you like. But you can never leave.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 09:42 AM (T0NGe)

139 When viewed with the Decoder ring: We're the party of lies and we're lying to you now, but please, re-elect us because we're not lying now. Serious, you guys.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 11, 2013 09:43 AM (xmcEQ)

140 130 BC, I take lost insurance as, policy non-renewed and no other policy offered. And that you are on your own looking for a new one. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 11, 2013 01:40 PM (HVff2) That's how I read it too, but I've yet to see anyone define "lost". Must be the (GASP) lawyer in me that wants to drill down on what a term truly means.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 11, 2013 09:43 AM (da5Wo)

141 That lady can give a death stare that would make Bette Davis and Joan Crawford cringe. Now I'm picturing Mooch beating the JEF with a wire hanger. No (whomp!) flirting (whomp!) with white women (whomp!) EVER!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 09:43 AM (7ObY1)

142 And he specifically cited the VA as a model. Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 01:38 PM (T0NGe) That he never had to use and if he did, would be a completely different experience from PFC Joe Snuffy. I wonder if he would be able to pronounce his doctors' name?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 11, 2013 09:44 AM (8sVfu)

143 This is so sad, but then why am I laughing?

Posted by: Caliban at December 11, 2013 09:44 AM (DrC22)

144 It would have been great if the BS'ing sign language guy would have signed to the world while the JEF was speaking. "Everything this guy says is lies and bullshit!"

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 09:44 AM (5M2+1)

145 Now I'm picturing Mooch beating the JEF with a wire hanger. Bunk?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 09:45 AM (cUARf)

146 I remember that. Illegal as hell but then again, this is TFG.
People will notice. They can't pay everyone's fines.

Posted by: EC at December 11, 2013 01:39 PM (GQ8sn)

I actually expect to see 'prosecutorial discretion' and the fines being waived.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 09:45 AM (fwARV)

147 Yeah I live in cali, and the local paper had an editorial from a local guy who was bitching about republicans lack of help with implementation, and shrieking some more about romneycare and original heritage republican plan. Freaking hive mind, a few logical complaints and suddenly the idiot bat signal gets lit and every progtard comes out of the woodwork. Republicans could only dream of such devotion.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 11, 2013 09:45 AM (WdbF7)

148 It would have been great if the BS'ing sign language guy would have signed to the world while the JEF was speaking. "Everything this guy says is lies and bullshit!"

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 01:44 PM (5M2+1)

EPIC

Posted by: Kusters last stand and townhall meeting at December 11, 2013 09:46 AM (nTgAI)

149 It's the Temper Tantrum Party. They want what they want, and screw you for saying it won't work just because it never works, they're voting for it anyway, because they don't want to live in a world where Rhinoceri can't fly!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 11, 2013 09:46 AM (qyfb5)

150

>>>"He will offer a form of extended Medicare to everyone who lost their insurance for 80% of what they had been paying for their old policies by executive order."<<<

And that may work if he can get the Fed to print money up to pay for it, and get doctors to agree to accept the plans for reimbursement. But then, as everyone knows, Obama's word is as good as gold.

Posted by: Roy at December 11, 2013 09:46 AM (VndSC)

151 141 That lady can give a death stare that would make Bette Davis and Joan Crawford cringe. Now I'm picturing Mooch beating the JEF with a wire hanger. No (whomp!) flirting (whomp!) with white women (whomp!) EVER! Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 01:43 PM (7ObY1) Or white men. You can have Reggie or me & that's it, Barry.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 11, 2013 09:46 AM (HVff2)

152 I actually expect to see 'prosecutorial discretion' and the fines being waived.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 01:45 PM (fwARV)

They will still send out the notices. Not everyone trusts him to keep his word when we've all seen shining examples of his character.

Posted by: EC at December 11, 2013 09:46 AM (GQ8sn)

153 Dear Democrats: You shoved this shit sandwich down our throats because you said we were too stupid to pick policies for ourselves. You said that we had to pass the bill to see what's in it. You've had 4 years to "change it for the better" and haven't done shit. NOW we're expect to believe that you're going to DO SOMETHING about it? You've had your chance. Now, please find a short pier, take a long walk off it all the while playing a nice rousing game of hide and go fuck yourself. Sincerely, The United States of America.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 11, 2013 09:47 AM (xmcEQ)

154 O/T but does anyone carry (like I do) virtually100% of the time except when asleep?

I'm starting to ever since a lady got robbed at gunpoint down the street from me in my neighbourhood.

Everywhere. Always.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 01:35 PM (cUARf)

I carry in the gym. Really.

Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 09:47 AM (m2CN7)

155 I actually expect to see 'prosecutorial discretion' and the fines being waived. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 01:45 PM (fwARV) They'll just issue a tax credit for the exact amount of the fine. Call it something fancy like "The ACA Implementation Hardship Credit"

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 11, 2013 09:47 AM (da5Wo)

156 Since so many folks have been invoking me lately, let me be of assistance. The jive-sign-language dude was signing: "Get a load of the ears on this guy. Why, they are bigger than the ears on one of our African elephants. And how about that FLOTUS, amiright? She could shrivel Wilt Chamberlin's dick with that glare. But back to Mandela. What a guy he was. And take his wife, please. Try the veal, and don't forget to tip your wait staff!"

Posted by: Zombie Barbara Billingsly at December 11, 2013 09:47 AM (7ObY1)

157 Defranco Family> Ani Difranko

Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at December 11, 2013 09:47 AM (LSJmV)

158 Edge of Tomorrow trailer looks pretty awesome.

Posted by: FlatbushJoe at December 11, 2013 09:47 AM (ZPrif)

159

...Thank goodness. I needed a break.

You and me both, buddy.

Posted by: The Toaster at December 11, 2013 01:32 PM (7ObY1)

What do you douchebags think I ordered vinyl slipcovers for?

Posted by: The Couch at December 11, 2013 09:48 AM (zF6Iw)

160 "Â“This town seems to like issuing regulations,Â” he added. Â“I think the administration should be exceedingly careful about the onerousness of the regulations that are issued.Â”" Yeah, suddenly you give a fuck about 'regulations' and being careful about them. Fuck you, you lying piece of shit.

Posted by: blindside at December 11, 2013 09:48 AM (WzWmY)

161 Republicans could only dream of such devotion. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 11, 2013 01:45 PM (WdbF7) It's all about emotion. ...and pure, blinding industrial-strength stupidity. Mostly, stupidity.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 11, 2013 09:48 AM (8sVfu)

162 I used to comment on local newspaper stories/newspaper social media sites/local news reporter blogs, etc., but the game is rigged. A scant few conservative comments make it through the screening process, and usually they're ones that sound apologetic or a bit too "concerned", until inevitably someone drops a "monkey" comment or something, which somehow makes it through moderation, and the thread immediately becomes "Conservatives are all racists!". Like clockwork.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 11, 2013 09:49 AM (ZshNr)

163 They will still send out the notices. Not everyone trusts him to keep his word when we've all seen shining examples of his character. And there is not much barky can do about it if they do? Sue? Prosecute? Would you really want that in court?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 09:49 AM (cUARf)

164 What do you douchebags think I ordered vinyl slipcovers for? Posted by: The Couch at December 11, 2013 01:48 PM .......I do hope you spent the extra money and got the ones made out of Vaginal Yarn. They are the best.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 09:49 AM (5M2+1)

165 @ 122:

You have my complete sympathy.   While deployed for the gubbermint in Boston 3-4 years ago,   me and another field inspector took the ferry from Quincy to downtown Boston.

On the trip,   I had to listen to some sniveling punks sitting on the other side of the exterior deck going on and on about how great the wun is.

I must say,   I expected most people I met there to be the type who walk around with a stick up their backside.   I found that to be far from the case though.   Almost all the people I met were hard working typical Americans.   Where do all the glitter spreading,   hopey/changey people live?   How is it we always seem to be out numbered by these people when real life experiences seems to indicate otherwise?

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at December 11, 2013 09:49 AM (9u2hL)

166 Are you kidding? The White House told Lockheed Martin to break the law and not send their notices before an election. The government paid LM's fines. Do you really think that won't happen this time around, too?
======
I remember that. Illegal as hell but then again, this is TFG.
People will notice. They can't pay everyone's fines.
======

Lockheed Martin is beholden to Federal gov't contracts for a huge part of its core business. Knowing how petty/vindictive the Obama "Chicago Way" administration is, they couldn't afford to take chances there. Obama leaned on them because he knew he could.

This isn't true of insurance companies.

Also, insurance companies are subject to State and local law too. Obama may give them a "pass" from Federal action, but he can't really indemnify them for violating any State laws on this.

Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 09:49 AM (TZsWx)

167 John Boehner can eat my shorts.

Posted by: Buddha at December 11, 2013 09:49 AM (s/sIv)

168 "Here's the problem with Obamacare in a nutshell. Mrs Fixer made this comment the other night.

"Most social programs steal alot from a few people to give lots of people just a little benefit. Nobody complains.

Obamacare steals alot from everybody to give a few people a lot of benefit. Everybody's gonna complain."

Posted by: fixerupper at December 11, 2013 01:39 PM (nELVU)"

Obamacare has to do this because what it is trying to redistribute, essentially, is health from people who have it to people who don't, and health is an expensive thing to provide to someone who doesn't have it naturally. Even when spread over a large population, it's going to be a lot of money per healthy person.

If nature had intended your genes to live on, she wouldn't have made you unhealthy or at least she would have given you some marketable skill so you could pay for the necessary treatment. Or even a winning personality so people would voluntarily chip in for your costs. Seems to me that if you don't fall into one of these categories, you aren't adding much to society anyway.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 11, 2013 09:50 AM (2tjte)

169 Here's a multifaceted plan. Repeal every single facet of Obamacare. (And that is a lot of facets, that is.)

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at December 11, 2013 09:50 AM (icBMk)

170 After they expand medicaid by executive order they will ask for an increase in minimum wage, thus kicking millions off medicaid.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 11, 2013 09:51 AM (WdbF7)

171 139 When viewed with the Decoder ring: A great political commercial would be to play what some politician says and then have glasses being pulled over the viewer's eyes (i.e., the camera) and a different figure telling the "truth". Semi-obscure reference, but all you'd need is an announcer saying, "Don't you wish you had something to show you what Senator Landrieu *really* means?"

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 09:51 AM (T0NGe)

172 170 Repeal the entire welfare state, while you're at it.

Posted by: Buddha at December 11, 2013 09:51 AM (s/sIv)

173 I wouldn't hinge my argument on people not signing up. They are being herded like sheep, and don't really have an escape route, so eventually there will be a large number of really pissed off people show up on the exchange. But the administration wants to use this metric because the power of the law coerces compliance over time. Signups are a sign of success only when people aren't forced to participate.

Better to ignore the signup numbers and make the case what an extraordinary bit of fraud this is and what an extraordinarily bad deal it is for everyone. Counting heads just plays into the administration's hands. Yeah, it is a clusterfuck now with the web site, but it needs to be emphasized that the web site is the BEST functioning part of the ACA. What is coming is loss of insurance for millions on employer plans, higher premiums, coverage for things you don't need, while things you do need are outlawed, limited choice and the shoveling of more people onto the Medicare rolls when that program was already a bankrupt and a chief deficit driver. Then comes bankruptcy for the insurance companies and bailouts from the government. There is absolutely nothing positive about this thing unless you choose an artificial metric like the number of people who have been forced to sign up --- so of course that is what the media will focus on.

It is like saying the concentration camps in WWII were popular vacation destinations because of the number of people who went there. What choice did they have?

Posted by: Thatch at December 11, 2013 09:52 AM (qYvEa)

174 Â“When are you going to bring the Upton bill to a vote, Mr. Senator?Â”

Posted by: No Republican Challenger Ever at December 11, 2013 09:52 AM (QF8uk)

175 Appears the Senate Dems are looking to ride the "Brosurance" ads to victory next fall.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 11, 2013 09:52 AM (Z5KPR)

176 I'm going with Suboptimal for the win, Alex.

Posted by: Mary Landrieu (D) Genius at December 11, 2013 09:52 AM (8ZskC)

177 They'll just issue a tax credit for the exact amount of the fine.

Call it something fancy like "The ACA Implementation Hardship Credit"

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 11, 2013 01:47 PM (da5Wo)

Ooooooh. I didn't think of this. If ObamaCare is a tax (thanks, JR), then a credit could be issued.

I really hope to see the insurances companies be all, "Sure, Mr. President. We can help you. But see, the thing is, you suck cock by choice. So we'll help, but first, you will blow me."

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 09:52 AM (fwARV)

178 Also, Obama is purposefully targeting older white people to steal from because he believes they are racist and stole their money in the first place. Obamacare has this racial justice jihad built into it. Obama looks at older white people living comfortable lives ... and it makes him angry. And this is his revenge.

Posted by: FlatbushJoe at December 11, 2013 09:53 AM (ZPrif)

179 I carry in the gym. Really. At my gym, I feel like I SHOULD be carrying. Lots of ghetto denizens that come out to the 'burbs since there ARE no gyms in the ghetto. I have no idea how they pay for their memberships since none of them look like they've ever had a real job - lots of gang neck tattoos and such. I guess they sell their EBT cards and use the cash. Or they just sell drugs to get the cash. But I have never figured out a way to comfortably carry in the gym. Not only can't I conceal it (and here in NYS it had damn well BETTER be properly concealed), but it would kinda get in the way of using the machines.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 09:53 AM (7ObY1)

180 I wish someone would do something considerably unpleasant to John Boner.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 11, 2013 09:53 AM (vHRtU)

181 151 141 That lady can give a death stare that would make Bette Davis and Joan Crawford cringe.

Now I'm picturing Mooch beating the JEF with a 5-iron. FIFY

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 11, 2013 09:53 AM (Z5KPR)

182

Just got here. My take if it hasn't already been mentioned, is that a lot of those people that thought they were enrolled and haven't paid are going to be pissed like a motherfucker when they find out the next time they go to a doctor that Ocare isn't free.....and that they still have to pay for it before they get any medical services.

We're going to see an uprising of the FSA.

Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 09:53 AM (Tx68O)

183
A great political commercial would be to play what some politician says and then have glasses being pulled over the viewer's eyes (i.e., the camera) and a different figure telling the "truth".

Semi-obscure reference, but all you'd need is an announcer saying, "Don't you wish you had something to show you what Senator Landrieu *really* means?"

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 01:51 PM (T0NGe)

A la the sunglasses inThey Live?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 11, 2013 09:54 AM (DrWcr)

184

But the administration wants to use this metric because the power of the law coerces compliance over time. Signups are a sign of success only when people aren't forced to participate.

Posted by: Thatch at December 11, 2013 01:52 PM (qYvEa)

The power of me compels you!!

Posted by: Barack O'Bama at December 11, 2013 09:54 AM (fwARV)

185 I guess Mark Warner D-Virginia thinks he has it in the bag. I don't hear him going against Bammycare.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 11, 2013 09:54 AM (l3vZN)

186 At what point do the dems/Obama make it illegal for any medical facility or doctor to refuse to take Medicare/aid?

Posted by: jj at December 11, 2013 09:54 AM (gWO5X)

187 157 Defranco Family> Ani Difranko Annie Haslam > Ani DiFranco

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 09:55 AM (7ObY1)

188 I guess Mark Warner D-Virginia thinks he has it in the bag. I don't hear him going against Bammycare.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 11, 2013 01:54 PM (l3vZN)

I mean, he kind of does. Virginia's blue. I don't see that changing.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 09:55 AM (fwARV)

189 A la the sunglasses inThey Live? Yep.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 09:55 AM (T0NGe)

190 But I have never figured out a way to comfortably carry in the gym. Not only can't I conceal it (and here in NYS it had damn well BETTER be properly concealed), but it would kinda get in the way of using the machines. In a small, zippered or velcroed pouch along with a towel.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 09:55 AM (cUARf)

191 Â“This town seems to like issuing regulations,Â” he added. Â“I think the administration should be exceedingly careful about the onerousness of the regulations that are issued.Â”

This is the first in recorded history that a Democrat has stumbled upon this obvious truth.

It also happens to be the last.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 11, 2013 09:55 AM (SY2Kh)

192 At what point do the dems/Obama make it illegal for any medical facility or doctor to refuse to take Medicare/aid?

Posted by: jj at December 11, 2013 01:54 PM (gWO5X)

January 1?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 09:55 AM (fwARV)

193 Same day they make it illegal for Catholics to refuse to perform abortions.

Posted by: FlatbushJoe at December 11, 2013 09:56 AM (ZPrif)

194 147 Yeah I live in cali, and the local paper had an editorial from a local guy who was bitching about republicans lack of help with implementation, and shrieking some more about romneycare and original heritage republican plan. Freaking hive mind, a few logical complaints and suddenly the idiot bat signal gets lit and every progtard comes out of the woodwork. Republicans could only dream of such devotion.

***

So 404Care doesn't work because the GOP didn't clap sufficiently hard enough to make their Happy Thoughts into Reality.

Fuckin' Magic Box People....

Posted by: B at December 11, 2013 09:56 AM (twiRb)

195 180 I carry in the gym. Really. I would have to draw the line there.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 11, 2013 09:56 AM (8sVfu)

196 105 Mooch won't run for a senate seat from Il. I can't see her moving her fat ass back to cold Chicago when she can have the serfs pay for her royal life in HI.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 11, 2013 01:35 PM (HVff2)

After what Barky and the dems have done to this country over the past years, would it really matter that the mooch lived in HI but ran for an Illinois senate seat? After all, it would be racist to point that out. And it would also be very discriminatory!

Posted by: Havedash at December 11, 2013 09:56 AM (gvqyH)

197 Repeal the entire welfare state, while you're at it.
Posted by: Buddha at December 11, 2013 01:51 PM (s/sIv)

----

Its coming.

Posted by: MATH at December 11, 2013 09:56 AM (nELVU)

198 189 I guess Mark Warner D-Virginia thinks he has it in the bag. I don't hear him going against Bammycare. Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 11, 2013 01:54 PM (l3vZN) I mean, he kind of does. Virginia's blue. I don't see that changing. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 01:55 PM (fwARV) Not blue enough for Obamacare. But there might not be a credible opponent for him.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 09:56 AM (T0NGe)

199 No fixes. Start a camera campaign 'You passed it without reading it, now after you experts ruined everything you want to pass more crappy laws? Repeal and start over with some bipartisan ideas this time.'

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at December 11, 2013 09:56 AM (9Bdcz)

200 ...and the Republican party will pull the Democrats out of the fire, lest they be called "mean" by the Media. And the shambling cadaver of America will have more bits fall off.

Having the Media in your pocket 24-7 means never having to say "We screwed up."

Posted by: Null at December 11, 2013 09:57 AM (P7hip)

201

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 01:53 PM (7ObY1)

I have a .380 Kel Tec that fits perfectly concealed in a Uncle Mike pocket holster that I carry in my gym shorts pocket. Sometimes I forget its there and have to pat my pocket.

Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 09:57 AM (m2CN7)

202 174 I wouldn't hinge my argument on people not signing up. They are being herded like sheep, and don't really have an escape route, so eventually there will be a large number of really pissed off people show up on the exchange.
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I don't think so.

The young healthy people that largely didn't pay for healthcare before (ie the ones that need to be in the pool to make it work out financially) aren't going to suddenly come around, especially when many of them are unemployed, underemployed, and/or generally appreciate how much of a screwjob Obamacare is.

The so called "death spiral" could kill most of the private insurance carriers before Obamacare can become self-supporting. . .though bluntly, that was probably the INTENT of Obamacare to begin with, rather than an accident.

Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 09:57 AM (TZsWx)

203 Single Payer would be just like the redistribution graphs from IBD after it was implemented, except it would include the non-working FSA.

51% of the people would get free healthcare. 49% of the people would pay for their own and the non-paying FSA slugs as well through a special John Roberts Single Payer tax.

When you throw in the 30 million amnestied illegals which we are about to go to the numbers will go to 60% will get free healthcare and 40% will pay for it.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 11, 2013 09:57 AM (T2V/1)

204 Annie Haslam > Ani DiFranco Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 01:55 PM (7ObY1) Annie Haslam would use DiFranco as toilet paper. No comparison at all there about who is the best.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 11, 2013 09:57 AM (oFCZn)

205 The Cowsills >Defranco Family> Ani Difranko

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 11, 2013 09:57 AM (8ZskC)

206 "You've killed us, you arrogant, imbecilic, ghey, immature, pinheaded, Marxist ass!"

Ahhh, that line from The Hunt For Red October never gets old.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 11, 2013 09:57 AM (TM1p8)

207
I wouldn't hinge my argument on people not signing up. They are being herded like sheep, and don't really have an escape route, so eventually there will be a large number of really pissed off people show up on the exchange.

Posted by: Thatch

Yeah, except for the fact that they are lying repeatedly and without the slightest compunction to admit it.

Today's bullshit of 364k people signed up needs to be confronted and destroyed just like all of the other lies the O-min spews forth.

Bullshit not address is bullshit that gets built upon. And when the Left is using this clusterfuck as the basis for solidifying the Fed's domination of All The Things, shit has to be taken care of now.

Further, we can address more than one aspect at a time. We're not children for fuck's sake.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 11, 2013 09:58 AM (B0gqn)

208 January 1? Count on it.

And who the fuck is this Ani DiFranko chick?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 11, 2013 09:58 AM (vHRtU)

209 "Look on the bright side. The longer the POS and his Renfield running the senate stall, the more likely that we get mass violence in response to this crap."

Stop trying to cheer me up, you tease.

Posted by: Jaws at December 11, 2013 09:58 AM (4I3Uo)

210 Its coming. Posted by: MATH at December 11, 2013 01:56 PM (nELVU) Math could unleash the doomiest doom that ever doomed and most of these retards still wouldn't get it. They would simply scream for more.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 11, 2013 09:58 AM (8sVfu)

211 I like how all the Independents somehow manage to caucus with the Democrats. Hey guys, that doesn't make you an Independent - it makes you a Democrat.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at December 11, 2013 09:59 AM (Lljg2)

212 Maroons. Scrap the GD abomination. Now.

Posted by: backhoe at December 11, 2013 09:59 AM (ULH4o)

213 After what Barky and the dems have done to this country over the past years, would it really matter that the mooch lived in HI but ran for an Illinois senate seat? After all, it would be racist to point that out. And it would also be very discriminatory! Posted by: Havedash at December 11, 2013 01:56 PM (gvqyH) Senator? Doesn't matter where she'd be "from", she'd live in DC. I do not see either of them living in the US. They've got that home in HI some donor bought for them, but I see that as temporary. They'll have (separate) homes all over the world.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:00 AM (T0NGe)

214 "And who the fuck is this Ani DiFranko chick?" She was really, really, really big at my all girls college. That's really all you need to know, isn't it?

Posted by: Lauren at December 11, 2013 10:00 AM (hFL/3)

215 But I have never figured out a way to comfortably carry in the gym. Not only can't I conceal it (and here in NYS it had damn well BETTER be properly concealed), but it would kinda get in the way of using the machines.

What are you carrying?

Check out Thunderwear or SmartCarry. Worst case scenario you can tell women you're just happy to see them.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 11, 2013 10:00 AM (SY2Kh)

216 I would have to draw the line there.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 11, 2013 01:56 PM (8sVfu)

I can understand and respect that but it does not present any hindrance whatsoever. See my post above. Remember when that guy went crazy at the gym, took his gun out of his gym bag and shot all the ladies? If it is not a hindrance and can be concealed, I carry everywhere.

Keistering it in the shower is bitch though.

Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 10:00 AM (m2CN7)

217 "But I have never figured out a way to comfortably carry in the gym. Not only can't I conceal it (and here in NYS it had damn well BETTER be properly concealed), but it would kinda get in the way of using the machines."

Easy. Wear a blue beehive wig. Put your gat inside the wig and register yourself at the desk as "Marge". If anyone gives you crap, demand your right to dress as you please in the raiment of your choice. Drop a few Cuomo bombs and there you go.

Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2013 10:00 AM (HjPtV)

218 Â“When are you going to bring the Upton bill to a vote, Mr. Senator?Â”

At some point Reid has to give one of these clowns the floor - and they can call for a discharge petition on any number of Republican bills. Who is going to be the first rat, (tis no real danger to Obama because he could still veto it.)

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:01 AM (4JkHl)

219 "And who the fuck is this Ani DiFranko chick?" Ace's favorite Female Vocalist.

Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 10:01 AM (HkeqY)

220 She was really, really, really big at my all girls college. That's really all you need to know, isn't it?

Posted by: Lauren at December 11, 2013 02:00 PM (hFL/3)

You know the rules. Pics or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 10:01 AM (fwARV)

221 We can haz Boehner-bashing thread? I want to post a youtube vid of hockey fans chanting "asshole."

Posted by: LibertarianJim at December 11, 2013 10:02 AM (9TK8E)

222 Easy. Wear a blue beehive wig. Put your gat inside the wig and register yourself at the desk as "Marge". If anyone gives you crap, demand your right to dress as you please in the raiment of your choice. Drop a few Cuomo bombs and there you go. And threaten to sue until they build you your own private changing area!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:02 AM (cUARf)

223 But I have never figured out a way to comfortably carry in the gym. Not
only can't I conceal it (and here in NYS it had damn well BETTER be
properly concealed), but it would kinda get in the way of using the
machines.

----

Fanny pack. But just at the gym. I wouldnt wear a man purse on a belt in public.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 11, 2013 10:03 AM (nELVU)

224 Dems translation: We're trying to polish this turd, so you won't notice that it's a turd in the first place and that we're the ones who made it. What we're trying to say now is that the only reason it's actually a turd is because Republicans didn't like it and said mean stuff. Trust us, you're gonna like this turd, trust US! These aren't the turds you're looking for....

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:03 AM (5M2+1)

225 At what point do the dems/Obama make it illegal for any medical facility or doctor to refuse to take Medicare/aid?
====

They can't.

There are already plenty of doctors who either won't take Medicare at all, or won't accept more Medicare patients, because the payments are so low, they don't cover costs.

If Obama tried a Canada-style system forcing doctors to choose between the public system and the private one (ie if you ever take one cent from a non public system, you are permanently kicked out of the public one), then two things will happen:

a. A significant number of older Doctors will just up and retire, not wanting to deal with the hassle.
b. A significant proportion of the ones who remain will just elect to opt entirely out of the public healthcare sector.

Obviously, there will still be doctors who will accept Medicare, but in certain specialties virtually nobody will, and the overall effect will be a significant reduction in available providers, and shortages. . .same as everywhere else that has tried this bone-headed maneuver.

Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 10:03 AM (TZsWx)

226 No worries. The GOP will be along before November with their 'Repeal and Replace' banners again. There is no way these leeches are going to give up the sweet, sweet income from 1/6 of the economy. Hookers and blow ain't going to pay for themselves.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at December 11, 2013 10:04 AM (j0wOO)

227 Check out Thunderwear or SmartCarry. Worst case scenario you can tell women you're just happy to see them.

Posted by: Hollowpoint

5.11 makes a "stretchy (?)" shirt that has a concealment pocket built in. Works well under a Hawaiian shirt - plus it tightens up the abs

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:04 AM (4JkHl)

228 I carry at the doctor's office. There's a sign on the door telling me not to, but if I don't TELL them, then how are they going to know? (Mine's in my purse, not on my person.)

Posted by: rohon at December 11, 2013 10:04 AM (DCZeI)

229 What are you carrying? Glock 17

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 10:04 AM (7ObY1)

230 Noob

Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at December 11, 2013 10:04 AM (jsWA8)

231 CRISIS? No- not yet. This is just the opening act. This is the brush with the iceberg, not the swamping of compartments. Yet. The CRISIS hits when all of the employer plans fall outside mandates. THEN and ONLY then will we see the full brunt of Hurricane ACA. LIVs and those in the choir still don't see this affecting them- they don't feel the wind in their face. They see clouds on the horizon, but, ''thats over there''. Likely as not, all of this is going according to some disgusting, evil plan to force our economy to its knees. Town halls this spring are going to be SPECTACULAR, bitches.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at December 11, 2013 10:04 AM (Ss56U)

232

Obviously, there will still be doctors who will accept Medicare, but in certain specialties virtually nobody will, and the overall effect will be a significant reduction in available providers, and shortages. . .same as everywhere else that has tried this bone-headed maneuver.

And thus, no treatment for millions of insured. Otherwise known as bending the cost curve down.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 10:05 AM (79zi+)

233 I wanna thank a few of you for offering a real wet dream that could come true: Dem primaries for pres in 2015-2016: Hillary! vs Moochelle vs Big Chief Warren.

Posted by: Mallfly at December 11, 2013 10:05 AM (bJm7W)

234 Ani Defranco:
http://tinyurl.com/qdlhy24
http://tinyurl.com/olb6coz

Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 10:05 AM (TZsWx)

235 Math could unleash the doomiest doom that ever doomed and most of these retards still wouldn't get it. They would simply scream for more. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 11, 2013 01:58 PM (8sVfu) I have little doubt that when MATH finally speaks, they will be screaming ever afterwards.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 11, 2013 10:05 AM (bb5+k)

236 Town halls this spring are going to be SPECTACULAR, bitches.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at December 11, 2013 02:04 PM (Ss56U)

I don't know if too many critters will actually risk a townhall...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 10:06 AM (fwARV)

237 "Senate Democrats facing tough reelections say President Obama has not done enough to fix the botched rollout of his healthcare law and are vowing to repair it themselves."

Great. Let them.

The thing about having taken a swan dive into a vat of tar is that smearing the stuff around afterward really doesn't fix the problem.

What causes my head to explode is that there are STILL idiots out of the Beltway branch of the Republican party who are proposing to pitch in to "help fix" this mess.

Hell no. By definition, it's not fixable. The only thing that will happen to conservatives attempting to deal with the tarry mess is to get it all over themselves, and allow Democrats to spread the blame.

One (1) Republican voted for Obamacare. Cao. He's not in the House any longer. There's not a single sitting GOP member who can be pointed to as having enabled the Obamacare train wreck. Keep it that way. Maintain the wary distance as the Democrats implode.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 11, 2013 10:06 AM (gqT4g)

238 200 No fixes. Start a camera campaign 'You passed it without reading it, now after you experts ruined everything you want to pass more crappy laws? Repeal and start over with some bipartisan ideas this time.' Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262Â©

This^
Exactly right. Nothing less will do the job.

Posted by: backhoe at December 11, 2013 10:06 AM (ULH4o)

239 You're all missing the point.... Obama and the commie dems don't give two shits about the ACA, aside from how effectively it can be used to further their ultimate goal, which is abolishment of the Constitution and imposition of martial law. They want this thing to cause as much socio-economic damage as possible. Combined with the Fed's full-frontal blitzkrieg against the dollar, they are waiting for either open rebellion or a collapse of the currency so they can do away with all of these silly games and move straight to the main objective. That's why Obama has been stacking the military with Generals' willing to fire on civilians and who espouse anti-2nd Amendment viewpoints. That's why DHS and other federal agencies have been stockpiling military weapons and equipment. That's why their primary strategy is biding time, because none of the rest of this shit matters if they can make these things come to a head so they can deliver the "killing-blow" that America will not be able to recover from. Our government has been completely infiltrated by communists and NWO internationalists, and the whole Dem/Repub side-show is one big con-job designed to distract and give the illusion that we still have some control of the system. In fact, I'd say that the only reason they've gotten this brazen is that they are so close to achieving their goal, that they think they can afford to let the mask slip a little.

Posted by: Joshua Barker at December 11, 2013 10:07 AM (+Slh8)

240 Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 02:03 PM (TZsWx Good points. However, when have bad consequences ever stopped the liberals before? Remember, HillaryCare had loads of jail time built in if a doctor even thought of going outside the system.

Posted by: jj at December 11, 2013 10:07 AM (gWO5X)

241 The more I read about hairless Reid - otherwise known as it puts the lotion on it's skin - the more I realize what a clone he is of that other weasel we were smart enough to retire.

We need to put dingy hairy out to pasture like we did with douchnozzle Daschle.

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at December 11, 2013 10:07 AM (9u2hL)

242 "Town halls this spring are going to be SPECTACULAR, bitches."

Uh, I came here to talk about the Middle East.

Posted by: Rep. Ann Kuster, D-NH at December 11, 2013 10:08 AM (gqT4g)

243 "I have a .380 Kel Tec that fits perfectly concealed in a Uncle Mike pocket holster that I carry in my gym shorts pocket. Sometimes I forget its there and have to pat my pocket."

Another option I've seen used for small pistols is the 5.11 Holster Shirt under a roomy dark tee-shirt. They're made of the same Spandex material as UnderArmour type shirts. The draw isn't fast, but at least you have it on-body.

Posted by: Jaws at December 11, 2013 10:09 AM (4I3Uo)

244 She was really, really, really big at my all girls college. That's really all you need to know, isn't it? Posted by: Lauren

I loved all girl colleges when I was in my all male college. Maybe the lesbians hid when we showed up.

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:09 AM (4JkHl)

245 245 "Town halls this spring are going to be SPECTACULAR, bitches." Uh, I came here to talk about the Middle East. --- "Who is this Ben Ghazi guy you keep asking about?"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 11, 2013 10:09 AM (/Crba)

246 Ani Defranco: http://tinyurl.com/qdlhy24 http://tinyurl.com/olb6coz Posted by: looking closely at December 11, 2013 02:05 PM ..............Holy Schnikes is she FUGLY! No wonder she was batting for the other team for a while. And for goodness sake, she's probably got enough dough to get that hideous fucking mole burnt off. She looks like Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Helen Thomas' love child.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:10 AM (5M2+1)

247

I wonder if teh SCOAMF ever discovered why it was that he didn't know there were problems with the web site before the rollout. That sure is a mystery.

Posted by: Marmo at December 11, 2013 10:11 AM (QW+AD)

248 @228 "They can't." Sure. You know what else? It'd be unconstitutional for them to fine you for not buying something. Oh, and there is no way that the Executive Branch can ignore written law, pick and choose what laws to enforce, unilaterally change laws, rewrite laws to punish political enemies... It all just crazy talk! Next thing you know, people will start saying that politicians can blame security failures on YouTube vids, mandate that churches pay for birth control and abortions, and who gets medical care will be a matter for a panel of political appointees with no oversight to decide.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at December 11, 2013 10:12 AM (j0wOO)

249 "That's why Obama has been stacking the military with Generals' willing to fire on civilians"

Don't worry about the Generals, worry about the Sergeants

Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:12 AM (4JkHl)

250 I wonder if teh SCOAMF ever discovered why it was that he didn't know there were problems with the web site before the rollout. That sure is a mystery. Posted by: Marmo at December 11, 2013 02:11 PM ..Well he did meet with Sebelietous ONCE in three years. Ever notice that this fucker never knows shit about or didn't have anything to do with something when it blows up?

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:14 AM (5M2+1)

251

Granted I have no proof but if you had a system that was only 60% effective and you knew that you were going to be in a sh storm and you just happened to be the most spin conscious politicition to set foot on the earth, it might make sense to launch that system at 20% effectiveness and then Dec1st bump it up to about 50% and unveil a 10% increase during some future crisis in the hope that by that time the system would be capable of better due to the time extention. We predict failure on January 1st. I also didn't expect the 'tech surge' to make that much of a difference. If we keep expecting it to be as bad as reality makes it seem, we set the expectations low based on what we know. If what they know is that they have a rabbit in a hat then guess what? We look like a holes. My play here would be to over estimated the Presidents capabilities. 'We are confident that people will be able to pay for their insurance online by Jan 1st' Make them say well no actually we still suck. As long as the pushpack to the Pres's narrative is that things are terrible then the president can keep pulling BS improvements and sell them as victories. How Do You Kill a MacGuffin??? My answer, make it a comedy, or tradgedy.. "who believes in this guy? I do! and if I can sell myself as someone who was just so gosh-darned sure that he would succeed but I've been let down, then maybe some (read: practically all) of the Presidents constituents might jump to the same conclusion. Lets stop having expections of this guy that (accurately) expect him to be a three year old. He want's to be this generation's Reagan? Lets compare how he does to "what would the Gipper do?" Roger Moore thinks he is cool when he is James Bond. Roger Moore is not cool when he see him as imitating Sean Connery or comparing him to Daniel Craig.

Posted by: xanderphife at December 11, 2013 10:14 AM (3ePq6)

252 "I wonder if teh SCOAMF ever discovered why it was that he didn't know there were problems with the web site before the rollout. That sure is a mystery."

Of course, there wouldn't have been any problems if Obama had just written all of the code himself with his super awesome Chicago Jesus powers.

But he just didn't have time, because he was distracted with having to save the world. And deal with Republican obstructionism. And work on his putting.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 11, 2013 10:16 AM (gqT4g)

253 "Don't worry about the Generals, worry about the Sergeants"

To clarify: Start worrying when the .mil starts purging NCO's en-masse. They are the straw that stirs the drink.

Posted by: Jaws at December 11, 2013 10:16 AM (4I3Uo)

254 Am I getting this right? The current narrative is ObarkyKare is failing because not enough Evil Reich-Wingers are thinking enough Happy Thoughts about it?

These people are insane....

Posted by: backhoe at December 11, 2013 10:18 AM (ULH4o)

255 >>Senate Democrats Up For Reelection Say Obama's Phony Phixes to Obamacare Aren't Enough; Plan a "Multifaceted" Reform. UNTIL THE ELECTION IS OVER AT WHICH THEY WILL REVERT TO PASSING EVERYTHING OBAMA WANTS"

FIFY

Posted by: Marcus at December 11, 2013 10:19 AM (GGCsk)

256 Hey, don't all those commercial payors we're demonizing actually pay those Medicare claims as fiscal intermediaries to begin with? lolololololololol....like Uncle Sam is actually "paying" those claims?

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 11, 2013 10:23 AM (1Sw7Y)

257 ...and to add to this, Boner is now attacking Conservitives as Ridiculous

Yep, our homeboy sure knows where his bread is buttered....

Posted by: fred zeppelin at December 11, 2013 10:24 AM (zL/eJ)

258 "And he specifically cited the VA as a model." --------------------------- VAs, like NHS facilities, vary. Some are good, some are just awful. BUT the good and adequate ones rely heavily on the private sector, much as Canada's health service relies on the US for back-up. Take this UNhorror story. My neighbor goes into the VA with lesions on his face. Doc suspects cancer, gets a biopsy, the lesions are extracted, AND reconstructive surgery is done ---all in 22 days. Three weeks. Can't do it faster. Un believable. How does this happen? The VA docs know private docs who will fast-track a vet and accept the crappy VA compensation. They pick up a phone. I know a lot of good VA docs ---yeah, there are good ones--- who are very frightened about what will happen to private medicine. They rely on it, especially for cases they think need immediate attention.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 11, 2013 10:26 AM (dfYL9)

259 Naturally, NONE of these minor reforms or delays will work. The whole O-Care system is designed to be paid for by healthy young enrollees paying double or more what their plan would have cost two years ago, fines on the noncompliant, and the money they took from Medicare.

For this, they NEED AT LEAST 7 million enrollees through the exchanges (including those subsidized but not new Medicaid cases), of which 2.7 million MUST be young healthy people who overpay.

Even these Obama projections may be wildly optimistic but if they aren't met we know for a fact the system will be awash in deficits and Obama will have to ask Congress for tens or hundreds of billions a year to cover them - adding to the annual federal deficits, of course.

Massive, total FAIL.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 11, 2013 10:31 AM (473jB)

260 Oh shit, now all we will hear is "multifaceted" from the parrot media.

Posted by: Abe at December 11, 2013 10:39 AM (mka2b)

261 Senate Democrats facing tough reelections say President Obama has not done enough to fix the botched rollout of his healthcare law and are vowing to repair it themselves. I guarantee that the Republicans, the idiots that they are, are actually going to try to help them.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 11, 2013 10:45 AM (hBdnt)

262 Visibly Sweating Dem Senator: We need to fix Obamacare immediately!

Cool Republican Challenger: They lied to you and look what happened. If elected, I will vote for complete repeal of Obamacare.

Who are you going to vote for?

LIV/Dem voter: Hillary all the way! she cares about people like me, you know.

Posted by: George Orwell at December 11, 2013 11:18 AM (Vv4Go)

263 Hey, remember when proposing major changes to Obamacare was raaaaaaaacist? yeah, good times, good times...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at December 11, 2013 12:12 PM (1hM1d)

264 @iowahawkblog gets his Schlitz

Posted by: Joe at December 11, 2013 01:07 PM (B+xcR)

265 The GOP losership ought to cut a couple of these out of the herd and make one of them leader of the Senate... Stop Harry and Barry in their tracks on so many issues, and move some others forward.

Posted by: Seipherd at December 11, 2013 03:39 PM (AortR)

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