November 21, 2013

Senate Votes To Try And Distract America From The Pain Democrats Are Inflicting On America Through ObamaCare
— DrewM

I kind of jumped the gun earlier on the nuclear option. There was some more parliamentary wrangling to be done before the actual vote.

The Senate has now voted to allow cloture to be invoked on judicial nominees below the Supreme Court level (district and circuit courts).

The final vote was 48 yes, 52 no. That means 3 Democrats (Levin of Michigan who is retiring, Manchin of West Virginia who is...just an odd ball and Pryor of Arkansas who is up for reelection next year) voted with the GOP.

Based on the way the question was worded, Should the ruling of the Chair (that you can't end a filibuster with only 51 votes) be upheld, the Democrats voted "no" and invoked the so-called "nuclear option".

This is about a couple of things:

1. Packing the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. This court is important because most challenges to federal regulations go through that court. A small number of those cases may make it to the Supreme Court but generally, it's the last word on a lot of federal business.

2. Changing the subject for a couple of days away from the damage ObamaCare is doing to America. In addition to getting a lot of coverage today, it will lead to GOP retaliation (procedual efforts to slow the Senate down even more) that will let the DNC's media wing to do a lot of "DC is broken and the Republicans are to blame" process stories.

If you missed it earlier, read Mitch McConnell's speech on this. He framed it perfectly, it's about ObamaCare. EVERYTHING is about ObamaCare.

Best line:

“Think about it: The Majority Leader promised over and over again that he wouldn’t break the rules of the Senate in order to change them. On July 14 he went on ‘Meet the Press’ and he said: ‘We’re not touching judges.’

“He may as well just have said ‘If you like the rules of the Senate you can keep them.’

3. The hypocrisy of both parties. The GOP thought about doing this in 2005 when Democrats filibustered a bunch of Bush judicial picks. Democrats thought the filibuster was the best thing ever back then. This stuff often depends on which side you are on in a given moment.

Note that the GOP didn't go though with the nuclear option in 05. Why? Because a bunch of GOP Senators sold out the rest of the party and Bush. Funny how the Democrats never form a 'gang' to screw over their own party. Huh.

Are you mad, bro?


None of this will fix 'the website' or make the pain of ObamaCare go away. It's a short term hit for Democrats and their base. It won't affect the long term ObamaCare problems and it will open a whole new can of worms when the GOP has the majority.

Posted by: DrewM at 08:32 AM | Comments (309)
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1 First for Obama is shit

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 21, 2013 08:33 AM (1FgrF)

2 Cool, we'll be able to repeal Obamacare is total by Janaury 2015.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 08:35 AM (6T8Ay)

3 What about dems up for reelection?

Posted by: NCKate at November 21, 2013 08:35 AM (vjZKo)

4 McConnell killed it in his speech. Got to pull the Alinsky on them. And keep hammering it. I enjoy your articles Drew.


So once the GOP has the majority we are fucking set arent we? We HAVE to win 2016. I agree that Hillary is a paper tiger.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 21, 2013 08:36 AM (1FgrF)

5

Anything that slows the emfuckening by Congress is OK by me.

 

(insert appropriate Rhett Butler quote here)

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 21, 2013 08:36 AM (0HooB)

6 No worries, we'll just change the rules back next time there's a Republican president.

Posted by: The Democrats at November 21, 2013 08:37 AM (8h3uS)

7 It won't affect the long term ObamaCare problems and it will open a whole new can of worms when the GOP has the majority.


This unsettles me, but I can't explain why.

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 08:37 AM (GQ8sn)

8 Johnny is a sad man.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 21, 2013 08:37 AM (ozktE)

9 Pass a bill in the House to rename the DC Appeals Court to the DC Democrat Packed Kangaroo Court. Include requirements for new letterhead and funding for a new sign.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 21, 2013 08:37 AM (eaIpn)

10 McCain and other Repubs wouldn't support the nuclear option for repeal. Hell, I doubt they'd support it for Repub judges.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:37 AM (ZPrif)

11 But McCain went on to reiterate, " We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House"Â… amirite?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 21, 2013 08:38 AM (HsTG8)

12 McCain and other Repubs wouldn't support the nuclear option for repeal.

Hell, I doubt they'd support it for Repub judges. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 12:37 PM


They didn't.

Posted by: huerfano at November 21, 2013 08:38 AM (bAGA/)

13 "I'm just sad," said John McCain. Truer words were never spoken.

Posted by: Lace Wigs [/i] at November 21, 2013 08:39 AM (UL/Aj)

14 At best they've bought themselves 10 days of news cycle diversion...and even then this only matters to the politically engaged.  Come Dec 1 people will start asking why the web site is still fucked up

It won't even register on the radar for the oblivioid LIV who's getting clobbered by Obamacare cancellation letters or sticker shock.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 08:39 AM (Xlbr8)

15 Your move, Senator Cruz.

Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at November 21, 2013 08:39 AM (LSJmV)

16 Right, but I mean even in the future, even after the Dems just nuclear raped the Repubs, I bet McCain and other Repubs won't support similar tactics against the Dems.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:40 AM (ZPrif)

17 9 Pass a bill in the House to rename the DC Appeals Court to the DC Democrat Packed Kangaroo Court. Include requirements for new letterhead and funding for a new sign --- Don't forget the dress code of what the judges must wear instead of robes.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 08:40 AM (/Crba)

18 Well that was quick. Now back to the Obamacare nightmare. Front. And. Center.

Posted by: RWC at November 21, 2013 08:40 AM (fWAjv)

19 Countdown to the new, improved and "fixed" 404Care website: 10 days!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 21, 2013 08:40 AM (HsTG8)

20 This wasn't about creating a distraction. This was about remaking the judiciary.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:41 AM (ZPrif)

21 Juan McCain is like the Morning Star.
Holding so much promise when younger
But he later grew to resent those whom he saw keeping him back
So he revolted and became the spoiler
And now has fallen into the abyss of his own making.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2013 08:41 AM (BXhlo)

22 If you missed it earlier, read Mitch McConnell's speech on this. He framed it perfectly, it's about ObamaCare. EVERYTHING is about ObamaCare.


He did miss the fact that Obama has gotten double Bush's nominees at the same stage.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at November 21, 2013 08:41 AM (FTQyq)

23 I saw Nuclear Option open for Megadeth in 2002. 

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 08:41 AM (GQ8sn)

24 I do wonder if the fucking idiots in the party would give up the nuclear option like idiots. That is why we need to get rid of Graham and McCain. I trust McConnell a little bit but I really wonder how much power he really has over the caucus.

I'm really jealous that Democrats all conform together and dont peel off no matter what.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 21, 2013 08:42 AM (1FgrF)

25 I haven't been this depressed since I found out they didn't build the dang fence.

Posted by: Sen. John McCain at November 21, 2013 08:42 AM (8ZskC)

26 It won't even register on the radar for the oblivioid LIV who's getting clobbered by Obamacare cancellation letters or sticker shock.

Posted by: Purp at November 21, 2013 12:39 PM (Xlbr

THIS.

Even if Reid gets 100% of his goal, the solution to this is....don't file must-win Federal cases in DC.  Pick another Circuit. 

Not always possible, I know.  But possible often enough.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 08:42 AM (6T8Ay)

27 So hagan has given up winning?

Posted by: NCKate at November 21, 2013 08:42 AM (vjZKo)

28 This wasn't about creating a distraction. This was about remaking the judiciary.

That could have been done at any point in the past few years.  There's a reason why it happened now. 

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 08:42 AM (Xlbr8)

29 First bill of the new Republican congress passes to a Republican President in 2017, a judiciary act reducing the size of DC court of Appeals by 3 judges.

Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2013 08:43 AM (CMlD4)

30 yeah, how is it a distraction?

The only people in favor of it are the 30% hard, hard left Dems.

The rest of the public hears "Changes a 225 year old rule to benefit the Dems."

And so long as the R's keep saying, "it does nothing to fix Obaaamacare" this is tossing out the anchor after the Titanic hits the iceburg.

Ten days? Not even 10 hours.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 08:43 AM (VjL9S)

31 Oh, so the filibuster is not nuked for future SCOTUS picks? Interesting.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:43 AM (ZPrif)

32 And if the Democrats lose their majority status in the Senate after 2014, do they simply vote to revert back to the old rules before the new Senate is seated?

Posted by: Zola speaks at November 21, 2013 08:43 AM (5l0bJ)

33 The rest of the public hears "Changes a 225 year old rule to benefit the Dems."

The rest of the public hears "New photos of Kim Kardashian's bastard!"

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 08:45 AM (ZKzrr)

34 The Jameis Winston rape accusation is much more of a distraction than filibuster rules changes that most of the voters don't understand anyway. Most people had no idea this was happening, have no idea what this means, and aren't very interested.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:45 AM (ZPrif)

35 32:  Exactly my thought.

Posted by: LASue at November 21, 2013 08:45 AM (pWeX5)

36 O/T  Jumbo jet is about to attempt to take off from the too-short runway.

This should be "interesting."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 08:45 AM (lVPtV)

37 There is always the Scalia option, anything with theose three clowns names on it gets an automatic review.

Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2013 08:46 AM (CMlD4)

38 Does this make it easier or harder for election-nearing Democrats to vote to repeal ObamaCare? This inside-the-beltway stuff confuses me.

Posted by: Lace Wigs [/i] at November 21, 2013 08:46 AM (UL/Aj)

39 Actually, it's "Changes a 225 year old rule to pack the courts."

How is that good for them in any sort of spin?

Just what kind of "holy shit! The Horseman of Death is lobbing off heads" kind of fear is driving the Dems to do this now?

What else is out there that they have to burn down the house?

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 08:46 AM (VjL9S)

40 You can kiss your comity goodbye, McLame.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 21, 2013 08:46 AM (Y92Nd)

41 So hagan has given up winning?

Posted by: NCKate at November 21, 2013 12:42 PM (vjZKo)

She just doesnt leave her party. Fuck, how do we get RINOs to do this?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 21, 2013 08:46 AM (1FgrF)

42 Happy   birthday  to  me!  *hic*

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 21, 2013 08:47 AM (q4QfH)

43 Great. 51 votes to repeal Omamacare and to get a hard core anti abortion justice on SCOTUS SWEEEEET

Posted by: Trump at November 21, 2013 08:47 AM (wSMMI)

44 33  The rest of the public hears "New photos of Kim Kardashian's bastard!"

Posted by: HeatherRadish� needs a beer at November 21, 2013 12:45 PM (ZKzrr)



Kim is out, her little sister is in.



18 year old Kendell Jenner maintains the Kardasian tradition by posting a racy picture immediately after her 18th birthday. 

NSFW


http://tinyurl.com/n64gsk3



Posted by: Vic[/i] at November 21, 2013 08:47 AM (FTQyq)

45 Even if Reid gets 100% of his goal, the solution to this is....don't file must-win Federal cases in DC. Pick another Circuit. Not always possible, I know. But possible often enough. --- If I were any Dem-appointed judge on the DC circuit, I'd keep my nose clean while the Republicans have power. The Republicans can still impeach and remove judges who various "high crimes and misdemeanors". Given the President and Senate Majority Leader involved, I figure they're going to put some real shitbirds on that bench who likely have records that could be used against them.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 08:47 AM (/Crba)

46

 it will open a whole new can of worms when the GOP has the majority.

 

 

 

 

Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, i'm gonna go eat worms....

Posted by: John McShame at November 21, 2013 08:48 AM (6fSty)

47 Every new Senate sets it's own rules right? Any future Senate can undo or extend this rule any time they feel like it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:48 AM (ZPrif)

48

I don't think the Republican senators who voted against the nuclear option screwed Bush.   The nuclear option that will allow only 51 votes to stop a filibuster was not a good idea then and not one now.

 

Maybe they did it for the wrong reasons but it was the right thing to do.   I admit that I  thought it would prevent the Dems from doing it when they had the majority.  

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 08:48 AM (m2CN7)

49 So, how are these Dems that just voted to change a 225 year old rule to pack the courts going to defend that vote over the next 11 months trying to get reelected?

"Vote for me so I can help Obama pack the courts with far-left judges."

You don't think those ads won't run?

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 08:48 AM (VjL9S)

50 McLame can have some herbal tea with Weepy Boner.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 21, 2013 08:49 AM (Y92Nd)

51 18 year old Kendell Jenner maintains the Kardasian tradition by posting a racy picture immediately after her 18th birthday. --- Did she borrow the fishnet top from her dad Bruce?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 08:49 AM (/Crba)

52 These new filibuster rules only apply to federal judges, and not to SCOTUS picks. So repeal and SCOTUS nominations still require 60.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:50 AM (ZPrif)

53 "18 year old Kendell Jenner maintains the Kardasian tradition by posting a racy picture immediately after her 18th birthday." For her 21st, some rapper will piss on her.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 21, 2013 08:50 AM (Y92Nd)

54 Maybe they did it for the wrong reasons but it was the right thing to do. I admit that I thought it would prevent the Dems from doing it when they had the majority.


Damn.  So no "peace in our time" here either?

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at November 21, 2013 08:50 AM (8ZskC)

55 I'd say that the Democrats aren't thinking this through because they might not always control the Senate but I know better. I don't expect to see a Republican Senate again in my lifetime.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2013 08:50 AM (zfY+H)

56 49 So, how are these Dems that just voted to change a 225 year old rule to pack the courts going to defend that vote over the next 11 months trying to get reelected? "Vote for me so I can help Obama pack the courts with far-left judges." You don't think those ads won't run --- I think they've got polling showing them losing the Senate majority at the least and possibly losing a filibuster-proof majority as the class of 2016 starts running for the hills. This is one of their last stands to get stuff done before excrement hits air conditioning next year.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 08:50 AM (/Crba)

57 53 "18 year old Kendell Jenner maintains the Kardasian tradition by posting a racy picture immediately after her 18th birthday." For her 21st, some rapper will piss on her. --- I think R. Kelly will do that video with her 16-year old sister right now.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 08:51 AM (/Crba)

58 "Vote for me so I can help Obama pack the courts with far-left judges."
You don't think those ads won't run?
Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 12:48 PM (VjL9S)

RNC Ad October 2014...


::: Ominous Music ::::

Senator Harry Reid changed a 225 year old law to prevent you from challenging the cancellation of your health insurance in court.

Why doesn't he want you to have health insurance?



......


Hmmmm....has a catchy beat and you can dance to it.  I give it a 98

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 08:51 AM (6T8Ay)

59 Our country is screwed and much cannot be reversed ever! I am gnashing my teeth and renting my garment!

Posted by: AnnaS at November 21, 2013 08:51 AM (UN0/t)

60 Lessee ... Kay Hagan's profession ... according to Wiki "attorney, banker'

Lots of federal jobs requiring a law degree and/or financial experience.  She's golden.

Posted by: mrp at November 21, 2013 08:52 AM (HjPtV)

61 Kim is out, her little sister is in. 18 year old Kendell Jenner maintains the Kardasian tradition by posting a racy picture immediately after her 18th birthday. NSFW http://tinyurl.com/n64gsk3 Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2013 12:47 PM (FTQyq) Needs less age and moar balls.

Posted by: Harry Reid (P) at November 21, 2013 08:52 AM (fWAjv)

62 Not even FDR was popular enough to get away with packing the courts.

Think about that: The Dems are so insulated and cut off from reality that they think Obaaama is more popular than FDR.

Wow.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 08:52 AM (VjL9S)

63 This is one of their last stands to get stuff done before excrement hits air conditioning next year. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 12:50 PM Winner winner chicken dinner.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 21, 2013 08:52 AM (Y92Nd)

64

not a short term hit

 

they are acknowledging they are going to lose seat, a lot of them

 

and need to pack the courts in order to wage lawfare to preserve the legacy

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 08:52 AM (zOTsN)

65 Think about that: The Dems are so insulated and cut off from reality that they think Obaaama is more popular than FDR. --- Nope, they see this shit hitting the fan soon. This is preparing the battlefield to withstand the Republicans' potential onslaught.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 08:53 AM (/Crba)

66 31 Oh, so the filibuster is not nuked for future SCOTUS picks? Interesting. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 12:43 PM (ZPrif) No. The rule is now whatever the Senate Majority wants it to be.

Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2013 08:53 AM (CMlD4)

67 Operation change the subject proceeds.  A red headline on Drudge: Boehner says immigration is absolutely not dead.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 08:53 AM (Hx5uv)

68 Speaking of Kangaroo Court apparel... How many Swedish Suck-Master 4000s will be found under the new judges' robes?

Posted by: maloderous at November 21, 2013 08:54 AM (p2s4o)

69 Right, the DC Circuit as the final arbiter of federal regulations makes sense as the target since Obama has unleashed a flood of eco-nazi regulations. Hard left DC Circuit can block challenges to the eco-nazi (and just general nazi) regulations. Rule by judicial fiat. Pack the court with young leftist zealots so you control federal regs for the next 40 years.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:54 AM (ZPrif)

70 It's not a slight distraction. It's done on a Thursday to carry the weekend, and the following week is ThanksConsumering, which then carries it's own momentum. This is a minimum 2-week narrative change attempt.

Posted by: jk76 at November 21, 2013 08:54 AM (VKkox)

71

its also a shot at Cruz

 

they must be absolutely terrified of him

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 08:54 AM (zOTsN)

72 Our country is screwed and much cannot be reversed ever! I am gnashing my teeth and renting my garment!


You can gnash your teeth but if the garment gets damaged we impose an additional fee.

Posted by: Friar Tux Shops at November 21, 2013 08:54 AM (8ZskC)

73 amirite? Is this diluted value-rite? Wow, the democrats should change their name to the Imperialists. It would be more fitting after the memes of the past week.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 21, 2013 08:54 AM (HVff2)

74 68 Speaking of Kangaroo Court apparel... How many Swedish Suck-Master 4000s will be found under the new judges' robes? --- It's a gift for a friend.

Posted by: Lt. Frank Drebin at November 21, 2013 08:54 AM (/Crba)

75 they are acknowledging they are going to lose seat, a lot of them

and need to pack the courts in order to wage lawfare to preserve the legacy

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 12:52 PM (zOTsN)

 

They better pick them young. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 08:54 AM (m2CN7)

76 FDR tried to pack the court by adding extra judges.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:55 AM (ZPrif)

77 64
not a short term hit

they are acknowledging they are going to lose seat, a lot of them

and need to pack the courts in order to wage lawfare to preserve the legacy
========
And the Republicans add more seats to the DC Circuit in 2017 to "restore the balance upset by the Dems court-packing scheme of 2013."

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 08:55 AM (VjL9S)

78 Jumbo jet is about to attempt to take off from the too-short runway.

They'll just put 500lb of fuel in it, remove all removable stuff, and then unscrew some that wasn't removable, and take out any heavy avionics not critical to control of the plane.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 08:55 AM (Xlbr8)

79 No way are they going to get 10 days of cover out of this. Today and that's it. Then it's back to Barrycare and the nightmare.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 08:55 AM (oFCZn)

80

they are preparing for total lawfare

 

what they cant win at the ballot box, they will win in the courts

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 08:55 AM (zOTsN)

81 Rule by judicial fiat. Pack the court with young leftist zealots so you control federal regs for the next 40 years. --- This assumes that the judges live that long. If people don't see them as being legitimately appointed and they're responsible for destroying their lives, there will be a new meaning to the term "hanging judge".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 08:55 AM (/Crba)

82 How many Swedish Suck-Master 4000s will be found under the new judges' robes?

Posted by: maloderous at November 21, 2013 12:54 PM (p2s4o)

It's not my bag, baby!

Posted by: Judge Austin Powers[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 08:56 AM (6T8Ay)

83 This will go right under the radar of the vast majority of Americans. The O-scare stories are ever so much better.

Posted by: Meremortal, thinking of low info mofos at November 21, 2013 08:56 AM (1Y+hH)

84 This is about the ratcheting effect. Locking in the Obama liberal fascist regulations and controlling the courts so Repubs can't roll them back even if they take back power.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 08:56 AM (ZPrif)

85 McCain's sad because the Democrats don't need him for their gangs anymore. They just put up a "No Johns Club" sign, and they already have John Rockerfeller.

Posted by: Boone at November 21, 2013 08:56 AM (3p8HS)

86 They just put up a "No Johns Club" sign, and they already have John Rockerfeller. --- When will McCain start trying to reenact the Civil War with monkeys?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 08:57 AM (/Crba)

87 They'll just put 500lb of fuel in it, remove all removable stuff, and then unscrew some that wasn't removable, and take out any heavy avionics not critical to control of the plane.

Posted by: Purp at November 21, 2013 12:55 PM (Xlbr

 

How about attaching  a couple of disposable rockets on it like the jumbo Russian cargo plane. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 08:57 AM (m2CN7)

88 BTW, if you want your kid to be a Senator, name him John... There are an amazing number of Johns in the Senate.

Posted by: Boone at November 21, 2013 08:57 AM (3p8HS)

89 I remember the nuclear option threat during GWB's term.  For days the left was in lockstep: "Teh Rethuglicans hate the Constitution".

It took quite some time for them to figure out that the Constitution says nothing about it, and that it's a Senate rule subject to change at any time.

Then they shifted gears into established tradition / power grab or some such bullshit, while still somehow trying to make it a Constitutional issue, if not in word then in spirit.  Or something.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 21, 2013 08:57 AM (SY2Kh)

90

This will be hilarious when the Republicans start doing actual in-person filibusters of these judicial nominations.  They did not change the Senate rules that allow unlimited debate by any Senator.

 

Republicans can also start denying unanimous consent and ask for a roll call vote on every vote, and demand that every bill be read in its entirety.  They can gum up the Senate pretty much indefinitely.

Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 08:58 AM (Q4elb)

91 they think Obaaama is more popular than FDR Discobaamacheck.

Posted by: That Insurance Guy at November 21, 2013 08:58 AM (QF8uk)

92 88 BTW, if you want your kid to be a Senator, name him John... There are an amazing number of Johns in the Senate. --- And at least one former Governor.

Posted by: Client #9 at November 21, 2013 08:58 AM (/Crba)

93 "The Democrats illegal court-packing scheme."

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 08:58 AM (VjL9S)

94 How about attaching a couple of disposable rockets on it like the jumbo Russian cargo plane.

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 12:57 PM (m2CN7

 

Or I can pour another 200 feet of concrete.  Might take me a week or two but I can pick up a few more guys from Home Depot to help out.  Muy Bueno. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 08:58 AM (m2CN7)

95

Royal Oil

 

these are typically lifetime appointments

 

they don't change every time there is an election

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 08:58 AM (zOTsN)

96 If    Hairy "Searchlight Strangler" Reed wanted to create an actual distraction, he'd have let the fillibustering continue.   Nothing gets the MFM frothing at the mouth like a good GOP   fillibuster.   The fact that he didn't means he's fucking terrified.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 21, 2013 08:58 AM (4df7R)

97 But will the GOP consultants and ad men have enough sense to know there is video tape with all the bullshit lies they have spoken over the last 8-10 years? 2014 & 2016 interesting times.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 21, 2013 08:59 AM (HVff2)

98 McCain: "I'm not angry. I'm just sad."
============================
Translation: McCain: "I'm not angry. I'm just  SNAKESNAKESSNAKESGETTHEMOFFOFME!!!."

Hey Arizona: how about you vote someone with a) a functioning brain and b) a non-existent desire to have the press fawn over him or her? Thanks. Signed, the rest of the U.S.A.

Posted by: physics geek at November 21, 2013 08:59 AM (MT22W)

99 DC Circuit as the final arbiter of federal regulations

They're not though.  In theory, SCOTUS can inject itself in at any level in the Federal courts as it pleases and decide to hear a case.  Within DC itself, it can even choose to hear a DUI or jaywalking case if it wanted.

If you can get a SCOTUS that understands the gravity of the situation, it can preempt a lot of this regulatory chicanery

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 09:00 AM (Xlbr8)

100 The fact that he didn't means he's fucking terrified. --- It means he knows that the clock is ticking on November 2014 and January 2015. Anything they're gonna do, they better do now because it gets harder to pull it off once it becomes clear they're going to lose and lose big time.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:00 AM (/Crba)

101 Well, it was a Good Try.  Your votes will make a huge difference next time, I'm sure.  On deck: cartridge box.  And the good news is that prices have recently gone down a bit, so don't wait for the last minute people, get stocked up now!

Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at November 21, 2013 09:00 AM (KtmYy)

102 If Hairy "Searchlight Strangler" Reed wanted to create an actual distraction, he'd have let the fillibustering continue. If Reid wanted an actual distraction heÂ’d change his name to Ted Cruz and open his basement for inspection.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 21, 2013 09:00 AM (QF8uk)

103 There are an amazing number of Johns in the Senate. Posted by: Boone ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You got that right!

Posted by: Deb Palfrey, DC Madam at November 21, 2013 09:00 AM (LSJmV)

104 The fact that he didn't means he's fucking terrified. All pages in my office- now! And wear fuzzy pants...

Posted by: Harry Pedo-Reid at November 21, 2013 09:00 AM (FcR7P)

105 No way that Dreamliner's taking off at 1300

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 09:00 AM (b7yum)

106 My only surprise is that this squirrel's not gay. 

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 21, 2013 09:01 AM (EGPJQ)

107

#70 It's a Thursday because the Senate is not in session on Friday.  I think they go out for Thanksgiving recess after today.

 

This does no favors for the Red State Seven.  Now they have to actually cast votes on these liberal judges.  At least a few of them will be needed to get to 51. 

Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 09:01 AM (Q4elb)

108 Even FoxNews is covering the Fat Plane on Skinny Runway story more than the nuclear option story.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 09:01 AM (ZPrif)

109 its also a shot at Cruz

they must be absolutely terrified of him

It's more a shot at Graham, believe it or not.  He's been threatening to filibuster judicial nominations unless he gets more documentation about Benghazi.

The rule change Reid is talking about only applies to judicial nominations.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 21, 2013 09:01 AM (SY2Kh)

110 create an actual distraction, he'd have let the fillibustering continue

This boycotting of moonbat judges has been going on for years now.  Its not even news anymore.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 09:01 AM (Xlbr8)

111 How about attaching a couple of disposable rockets on it like the jumbo Russian cargo plane. Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 12:57 PM (m2CN7) JATOs. Jet Assisted Take Off. I've seen them in action at an air show where a C-130 took off with them. It comes lumbering down and starts to take off like you'd expect a C-130 to do, and when it lights off the JATOs....holy crap. That plane went near vertical. Really strange to see with a plane that size!

Posted by: Mainah at November 21, 2013 09:01 AM (659DL)

112 The rest of the public hears "New photos of Kim Kardashian's bastard!" I believe the new distraction is Bruce Jenner's daughter's nipples.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 21, 2013 09:02 AM (sByIH)

113
In one way its good as I believe the gop will take over the senate next year, I predict a pick up of 6, which should be just enough. 

On the other hand, they never stick together so we are boned.

On the third hand if they did they could go full bore conservative crazy. 

Ha! on the fourth hand, the prez will veto so we're boned other than SCOTUS picks and budgeting (Ha! again).

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 09:02 AM (iGPSR)

114 105 Lotsa live feeds

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 09:02 AM (b7yum)

115 I love all this careening towards disaster shit for the Dem party, but are we careening towards disaster for the entire country?

The only way a runaway train stops is...smashup.

Posted by: PJ at November 21, 2013 09:02 AM (ZWaLo)

116 they are trying to pack the court to preserve the whim of the Emporer

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:02 AM (zOTsN)

117 McCain: "I'm not angry. I'm just sad." Now his vote isn't crucial to torpedoing GOP efforts.

Posted by: t-bird at November 21, 2013 09:02 AM (FcR7P)

118

"The Senate has now voted to allow cloture to be invoked on judicial nominees below the Supreme Court level (district and circuit courts). The final vote was 48 yes, 52 no."

 

DrewM

 

I'm confused. Are these numbers right? How do you approve something with less yes votes than no votes?

 

Or is this Obama math?

Posted by: ExSnipe at November 21, 2013 09:03 AM (57ubW)

119 Democrats are absolutely despicable.

Posted by: Book at November 21, 2013 09:03 AM (qWES6)

120 Hey Arizona: how about you vote someone with a) a functioning brain and b) a non-existent desire to have the press fawn over him or her? Thanks. Signed, the rest of the U.S.A.

Someone might also suggest they look next door to NM and see what amnesty gets you- a formerly red state that went blue.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 21, 2013 09:03 AM (SY2Kh)

121 EXPOSED Democrats Inflicting Pain on Americans heh, right margin headline, The Economist, the man who used to walk on water If he swims as well as he throws balls or golfs, recall Bill Cosby's story: "Noah, how long can you tread water?"

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 09:03 AM (MhA4j)

122 My dad was using jato bottles on PB4Y-2's during WW2

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 09:03 AM (b7yum)

123 The only way a runaway train stops is...smashup. --- Runaway train never comin' back Wrong way on a one way track Feels like I should be gettin' somewhere Somehow I'm neither here nor there

Posted by: Soul Asylum at November 21, 2013 09:04 AM (/Crba)

124

This is good.

 

Republicans are staying on message.  All the GOP Senators on Twitter are saying the same thing - this will not distract America from the Obamacare disaster.

Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 09:04 AM (Q4elb)

125

Posted by: Mainah at November 21, 2013 01:01 PM (659DL

 

That would be cool to see in person.   You don't get the same effect seeing it on video. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 09:04 AM (m2CN7)

126 Tough crowd...
Compare McCain to Lucifer
And no one bats an eye.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2013 09:04 AM (BXhlo)

127 How about attaching a couple of disposable rockets on it like the jumbo Russian cargo plane. I kinda think the plane would have to be previously designed and built for that.

Posted by: t-bird at November 21, 2013 09:04 AM (FcR7P)

128 How do you approve something with less yes votes than no votes?

Or is this Obama math?
-

It's politician logic.  If you are in favor of nuking the rule you vote no.  Keeping the rule you vote yes.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 09:04 AM (Hx5uv)

129 Pffffft. Swedish Suck-Master 4000, that is SOoooooo 2012!

Posted by: snooty Swedish Suck-Master 5000 owner at November 21, 2013 09:04 AM (Zswg6)

130 Republicans can also start denying unanimous consent and ask for a roll call vote on every vote, and demand that every bill be read in its entirety. They can gum up the Senate pretty much indefinitely.

Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 12:58 PM (Q4elb)

=======================

I see that as a feature. And a damned good one at that.

Posted by: physics geek at November 21, 2013 09:04 AM (MT22W)

131 NO MORE COOPERATION. NO MORE DEALS. SHUT THE WHOLE THING DOWN

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2013 09:05 AM (t3UFN)

132 They won't even try a takeoff unless the steely eyed Boeing geek glasses and pocket protector crowd did the calculations and guaranteed it would work.


Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 09:05 AM (Xlbr8)

133

Say what you will about Robert Byrd, but my guess is if he were still in the Senate this sort of thing would not have been allowed to pass.

 

He was a  walking, talking, living encyclopedia of Senate rules - as well as knowing WHY they were there in the first place.

 

Ah, well - my guess is that at some point this little stunt will rear its ugly little head and bite  the Dems just like Obamacare is doing right now.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 21, 2013 09:05 AM (PZ6/M)

134

rock mom

 

that is an excellent idea

 

lets take the gloves off

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:05 AM (zOTsN)

135 No way that Dreamliner's taking off at 1300 U Called It. “WICHITA, Kan. -- UPDATE 11:40 a.m. The Dreamlifter was scheduled to take off around noon, but that will likely be delayed. No new time has been given.”

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 21, 2013 09:05 AM (QF8uk)

136 They won't even try a takeoff unless the steely eyed Boeing geek glasses and pocket protector crowd did the calculations and guaranteed it would work.


How'd you like to be the pilot on that takeoff?



"Fuck it.  YOLO."



Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 09:06 AM (GQ8sn)

137 130 Republicans can also start denying unanimous consent and ask for a roll call vote on every vote, and demand that every bill be read in its entirety. They can gum up the Senate pretty much indefinitely. Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 12:58 PM (Q4elb) =======================I see that as a feature. And a damned good one at that. --- Hairy Reed's going to end up burning out all of those fast-talkers they keep bringing in to read these bills within probably two weeks. Which means nothing will get done for roughly 13-14 months.

Posted by: Soul Asylum at November 21, 2013 09:06 AM (/Crba)

138 Yea, you need some built in  hard points to attach the jato pods to

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 09:06 AM (Xlbr8)

139 Those solid fuel rocket boosters attached to the wings have at least one good Darwin award story related. Maybe the best one ever.

Involved a guy strapping one to the roof of his car.

Posted by: navybrat at November 21, 2013 09:06 AM (h77Mi)

140 these are typically lifetime appointments they don't change every time there is an election Yeah, beginning to doubt the wisdom of that. Ten year terms. One only.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, upholstering his throne of skulls at November 21, 2013 09:06 AM (naUcP)

141 I'm confused, did it pass or not? Seems not, but the wording suggests it passed...?

Posted by: T42 at November 21, 2013 09:06 AM (9DFhi)

142 Boeing better get it out of there quick, before the Gubmint decides it can do it better and chops the thing into a dozen pieces for transport.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2013 09:06 AM (ZshNr)

143 Did they keep the rule requiring one member of the opposition to release a bill or nominee from Committee? Or can they discard Collins and Miss Lindsey like used up paper towels now.

Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2013 09:06 AM (CMlD4)

144 All the GOP Senators on Twitter are saying the same thing - this will not distract America from the Obamacare disaster. It makes the next Obamacare even easier.

Posted by: t-bird at November 21, 2013 09:06 AM (FcR7P)

145 We have nothing to fear with the National Socialist Media (NSM) keeping us informed of all things now forbidden or required.

Posted by: Juan McStain at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (vHRtU)

146 How about attaching a couple of disposable rockets on it like the jumbo Russian cargo plane. This is what I was thinking. JATO rockets attached to the thing. Can that be done?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (sByIH)

147 Republicans can also start denying unanimous consent and ask for a roll call vote on every vote, and demand that every bill be read in its entirety. They can gum up the Senate pretty much indefinitely.
======
I think the Dem calculus is that "We'd love to fix Obaaamacare but we can't because the R's are obstructing us!" is a winner.

yeah.

that's kinda dumb.

Who passed the bill?
Who wrote the bill?
Who has spent the last 5 years telling us the bill is great?
Who told us the bill had no problems?
Who voted over and over and over to block the Republicans from fixing any part of the bill?

Tell me again how I can buy the Brooklyn Bridge for just pennies if I act now.

"Mr. Republican Senator, why are Republicans in Congress obstructing and preventing the Democrats from making much-needed and popular adjustments to ACA/Obaaamacare?"
"Mr. Newscaster, we'd be happy to work with the Dems on much needed and popular reforms. Unfortunately, all the Dems want to work on is packing the courts. They haven't brought a bill to the Senate floor to fix Obaaamacare yet. And they won't. And until they do, we'll keep on fighting for the American people against these distractions and illegal schemes."

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (VjL9S)

148 I kinda think the plane would have to be previously designed and built for that.

We'll just use the aerospace handyman's secret all-purpose adapter: duct tape.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (ZKzrr)

149 how many of them will go down in Reid's Kamikaze mission

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (zOTsN)

150 How about attaching a couple of disposable rockets on it like the jumbo Russian cargo plane.
-----------------------

I kinda think the plane would have to be previously designed and built for that.


I'll just make a special speech later today. My soaring rhetoric and crisp trouser creases will overcome any thrust-to-weight deficiencies.

Plouffe, my TOTUS!

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (8ZskC)

151

Another day.

 

Another injury.

 

Another step closer...

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (Z7toi)

152 Joe Manchin better be packing up his office

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (zOTsN)

153 123  Denzel Washington proved you a lie

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (b7yum)

154 Involved a guy strapping one to the roof of his car.

Posted by: navybrat at November 21, 2013 01:06 PM (h77Mi)



Was that real or a hoax? 


Seems to awesome to be real.



Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 09:07 AM (GQ8sn)

155

If you can get a SCOTUS that understands the gravity of the situation, it can preempt a lot of this regulatory chicanery

 

I understand gravity very well.  Now.  She's a bitch.

Posted by: Zombie Mision CDR Matt Kowalski at November 21, 2013 09:08 AM (BAS5M)

156 McCain: "I'm not angry. I'm just sad." ============================ Translation: McCain: "I'm not angry. I'm just SNAKESNAKESSNAKESGETTHEMOFFOFME!!!." He only gets angry when the REPUBLICANS do something he doesn't like. When the Dems do it, eh, he has a sad.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 21, 2013 09:08 AM (sByIH)

157 My friendsh, I feel sad today because I wasn't able to screw over my own party. As the Republican Senator from the Great State of Arizona, I feel it is my duty to function as a Democrat mole and make sure that none of the policy changes that are necessary to get the country functioning again instead of just feeding taxpayer dollars into Democrat cronies' pockets. But, don't worry, if the Republicans win the Senate next year, Miss Lyndsey and I will be there to hobble and cripple any reform with a Gang of Eight. We may even be able to save Obamacare! Thank you.

Posted by: Sen John Mccain at November 21, 2013 09:08 AM (0cMkb)

158 Mary Landrieu gonna need to find another job

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:08 AM (zOTsN)

159 144 All the GOP Senators on Twitter are saying the same thing - this will not distract America from the Obamacare disaster. It makes the next Obamacare even easier. --- Supposedly applies only to judicial nominations, not legislation. Yet. That being said, ObamaCare was already passed through reconciliation so that means it can be killed by 51.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:08 AM (/Crba)

160 "How many Swedish Suck-Master 4000s will be found under the new judges' robes?
Posted by: maloderous at November 21, 2013 12:54 PM"

That sort of thing's not their bag, baby....

Posted by: Austin (Danger) Powers at November 21, 2013 09:08 AM (knoK7)

161 How'd you like to be the pilot on that takeoff?

If the calculations said it had 100' to spare, no problem.    Slap the gear up ASAP though...and maybe swap out the tires for some that were almost worn out.  That's good for a few pounds too.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 09:08 AM (Xlbr8)

162 Hollowpoint New Mexico has traditionally been a Democrat State. Native Tribes, Hispanics, liberal-social-justice Catholics, employment between agriculture and mining with hard won union labor rights or public education, and the influx of the artsy-fartsies. Voters NM had the good sense to vote in a Libertarian-Republican lower-tax less-intrusive Governor, but not retain him in office.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 09:08 AM (MhA4j)

163 Passed 52-48.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 21, 2013 09:09 AM (LSJmV)

164 158 Mary Landrieu gonna need to find another job --- I'm sure her little brother Mitch can find her a job at one of those establishments down on Bourbon.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:09 AM (/Crba)

165 "Vote for me so I can help Obama pack the courts with far-left judges." You don't think those ads won't run? Posted by: RoyalOil Counter ad: Go ahead ladies, vote for the lib court packers. That way, when someone rapes & cuts your little snowflakes's head off, that lib judge will just give them a slap on the wrist!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 09:09 AM (ix+5k)

166 A lot of thought, effort and taxpayers dollars went into the production of this speech. Which was written by several aides and a private consultant. I'm glad you liked it.


Have you seen the plans for the new dam?

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at November 21, 2013 09:09 AM (5ikDv)

167 "We have nothing to fear with McCain back in the Senate"

Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 21, 2013 09:09 AM (qiXMt)

168

ohhh

 

described as a "raw power grab"

 

this may not be the distraction they should have been looking for

 

I don't think they are trying to distract

 

they are trying to pack the courts

 

unless the narrative is, we have to do this cause the pubs are so uncooperative, just look at ACA!!

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:09 AM (zOTsN)

169 Flaps and slats: full extension!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2013 09:09 AM (8ZskC)

170 I'd like to remind everyone here who wonders why the Democrats are counting on the American people to be dumber than a sack of hammers that, through control of the media and education establishments, they've spent generations seeing to exactly that.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, upholstering his throne of skulls at November 21, 2013 09:10 AM (naUcP)

171 Black people didn't make Harpo the whale Oprah rich.  White women did that.  But this country is racist...

Posted by: Havedash at November 21, 2013 09:10 AM (BMEZ0)

172 McCain haz a sad.  Boo-hoo.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:10 AM (lVPtV)

173 Now get ready to see insane moonbat cocksucker Goodwin Liu appointed to a U.S. Circuit Court. And it's not like the Dems need the nuclear option for SCOTUS appointees - Ruth Bader Ginsberg was confirmed 96-3. Who fears a filibuster when your opponents have no sack?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 21, 2013 09:10 AM (CJjw5)

174 it is worth pointing out that the republican leadership today is not the same as during the last time this came up. This may not be terribly important but the democrats (Harry Reid especially) can't make that claim of plausible deniability.

Posted by: mja at November 21, 2013 09:10 AM (Kab4E)

175 Fill the cabin with helium balloons!

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 21, 2013 09:10 AM (FcR7P)

176

Hey DAve,

 

I read not long along that your father was on Okinawa during a typhoon in 1945.

 

My father's ship was in Buckner Bay during the October 1945 typhoon. His ship had both archors set. One of them parted as the ship was dragged/blown about 3 miles in the bay.

 

He was on watch in the engineroom during the storm and told me he was never more scared than during that typhoon, and this was after he'd been through Japanese air attacks during the Okinawa Battle.

Posted by: ExSnipe at November 21, 2013 09:11 AM (57ubW)

177 IBDeditorials ‏@IBDeditorials Paraphrasing Harry Reid: "Now that we've filibustered Bush's appointees, it's time to end filibustering." http://owl.li/r3yBH

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 09:11 AM (ZPrif)

178

Whosever gonna fly that sonovabitch outta there should be wearing a pink hat with a feather in it and a shirt that says "King of  Bitches"

You know, what Tiger Woods SHOULD have been wearing at the press conference instead of apologizing like a wuss

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 09:11 AM (b7yum)

179 I'd like to remind everyone here who wonders why the Democrats are counting on the American people to be dumber than a sack of hammers that, through control of the media and education establishments, they've spent generations seeing to exactly that.

OT, but still fun:  Democrat feminist US Senator from Georgia: white supremecist and lynching apologist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Latimer_Felton


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 09:11 AM (ZKzrr)

180 170 I'd like to remind everyone here who wonders why the Democrats are counting on the American people to be dumber than a sack of hammers that, through control of the media and education establishments, they've spent generations seeing to exactly that.



Obama's re-election was proof positive that the average American voter is as intelligent as Joe Biden.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:12 AM (lVPtV)

181

Jesus - this was just tweeted by Jake Tapper -

 

@jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier."

Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 09:12 AM (aBlZ1)

182

Hardy Guffaw:


NY Post.

>>>The botched rollout of ObamaCare is getting a thumbs-down in Kansas — home state of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

Only 371 Kansans have signed up for medical coverage through health-care.gov — and there’s considerable doubt that the Web site will be glitch-free by the White House’s Nov. 30 deadline.


***


BTW slamming your shoddenboner in the door does NOT help.




Posted by: dan a nj con formerly known as dana nj con at November 21, 2013 09:12 AM (wmU4G)

183 Yeah, this is not about creating a distraction. This is about power.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 09:12 AM (ZPrif)

184 Then it's back to Barrycare and the nightmare.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 12:55 PM (oFCZn)
============

I saw Barrycare and the Nightmare open for Meatloaf at Jones Beach back in '78

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 21, 2013 09:13 AM (OtQXp)

185 "Passed 52-48." How is this a pass when 48 voted YES and 52 voted NO?

Posted by: T42 at November 21, 2013 09:13 AM (9DFhi)

186 That which is not specifically permitted is specifically forbidden.

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 09:13 AM (vHRtU)

187 Has the Boeing pilot blamed Republican obstructionism yet?

Posted by: t-bird at November 21, 2013 09:13 AM (FcR7P)

188
This is a big fuckin' deal!

Posted by: Jo Jo Biden at November 21, 2013 09:13 AM (pJF+c)

189 And it's not like the Dems need the nuclear option for SCOTUS appointees - Ruth Bader Ginsberg was confirmed 96-3. Who fears a filibuster when your opponents have no sack? --- Ginsburg got in easily because Orrin Hatch told Clinton that the Republicans would let through someone with actual legal knowledge but that they'd shove a political hack like Bruce Babbit straight up his ass.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:14 AM (/Crba)

190

Jesus - this was just tweeted by Jake Tapper -

 

@jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier."

 

 

Posted by: rockmom

 

 

WTF

 

tone deaf

 

Dems must really be starting to hate him too

 

 

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:14 AM (zOTsN)

191 181 Jesus - this was just tweeted by Jake Tapper - @jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier." Posted by: rockmom +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bloody hell.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 21, 2013 09:14 AM (LSJmV)

192 they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier And here I was just thinking how nice it would be to get a big bag of McDonaldÂ’s fries.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 21, 2013 09:15 AM (QF8uk)

193

#173 Shit, I forgot about Goodwin Liu.  He is some kind of serious hero on the left. 

 

They're also preparing for a shitstorm over Obama's pick to head the DOJ Civil Rights Division.  He's a former NAACP lawyer who once represented Mumia Abu-Jamal. 

Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 09:15 AM (aBlZ1)

194 @jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier."



Guaranteed 6 months of ads with this one.


Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 09:15 AM (GQ8sn)

195 The National Socialist Media shall now nominate all candidates for SCROTUS and I shall approve them.

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 09:15 AM (vHRtU)

196

My friends, you have nothing to fear from Harry Reid sleep-over.

Posted by: Sen. John McCain at November 21, 2013 09:15 AM (OPzNA)

197 168
ohhh

described as a "raw power grab"
=======
Who is describing it as such?

Because it is. 

Saying, "it's only for lower-court nominees" is a distinction without difference.

It's like saying, "it's not really murder, it's manslaughter." Oh, well that's better. Is he still dead? Yes. Hmm.

Because the truth is: "Changed a 225 year-old rule to pack the courts."

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 09:15 AM (VjL9S)

198

176 That's awesome.  My dad was officer of the day for his squadron that day.

When he drove his jeep over a hill on Okinawa he saw 5 distinct waterspouts inside the bay.  The aenomerometer (sp) blew off the weather shack at 140 knots.

Isn't it funny how many of us have/had fathers who were in WW2???

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 09:15 AM (b7yum)

199 @jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier." ...like food.

Posted by: t-bird at November 21, 2013 09:16 AM (FcR7P)

200 @jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier." Federal goverment & IRS hardest hit.....

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 09:16 AM (ix+5k)

201

one thing

 

this is a tacit admission that they are going to be crushed in the elections

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:16 AM (zOTsN)

202 181 Jesus - this was just tweeted by Jake Tapper -

@jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier."

Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 01:12 PM (aBlZ1)




Drink moar water!  Jeez, TFG is a tone-deaf, elitist fuckwit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:16 AM (lVPtV)

203 POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier."

Then he giggled, 'cause his voters can still buy nachos and donuts and Slurpees with their food stamps.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 09:16 AM (ZKzrr)

204 194 @jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier." Guaranteed 6 months of ads with this one. --- Can we get footage of Barry and Moochelle's New York "date nights" where they ate all kinds of unhealthy shit on the taxpayer dime?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:16 AM (/Crba)

205 "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier."

...like beer, dope, wide screen TV's, bling, iPhones, iPads, etc...

You're gonna have to downgrade your lifestyle America! 

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 09:16 AM (Xlbr8)

206

I predict this will be on one of the late night shows.

 

Q:   How is  Obamacare  like the 747 stuck at the airport?

 

A:   Neither can get off the ground

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 09:16 AM (m2CN7)

207 they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier


Yeah, that should calm everybody down.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2013 09:16 AM (8ZskC)

208 After the pilot gets it into the air Obama will call him and tell him "You didn't fly that"

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 09:17 AM (b7yum)

209 Harry must be banking on retaining the Senate then...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at November 21, 2013 09:17 AM (9+ccr)

210 @jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS
said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make
them healthier."



Instead, the govt will provide them to you at no cost.



obamaphones for everyone!

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 09:17 AM (GQ8sn)

211 While the Dems pack the federal courts with liberal loons, ObamaCare will be packing Americans into Medicaid and Medicare..

Posted by: mrp at November 21, 2013 09:17 AM (HjPtV)

212 I - and Eva Obama - shall decide what is healthy for you.

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 09:17 AM (vHRtU)

213 Hollowpoint

New Mexico has traditionally been a Democrat State.

I believe it was more purple / red in the '80s, but has become much bluer since. 

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 21, 2013 09:17 AM (SY2Kh)

214 How is this a pass when 48 voted YES and 52 voted NO? Okay, people keep asking this question, but it’s in the post. 1. The ruling of the Chair was that you cannot end a filibuster with only 51 votes. 2. The vote was, should this ruling be upheld. 3. Since the “no” votes won, the ruling was not upheld. 4. Thus, the Senate has voted that you can end a filibuster with only 51 votes.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 21, 2013 09:17 AM (QF8uk)

215 209 Harry must be banking on retaining the Senate then... --- Nope. He sees them losing, and badly at that, to the point where the filibuster will do them no good for a long time.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:17 AM (/Crba)

216

I think Reid is banking on losing the Senate

 

that's why they have to pack the courts

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:18 AM (zOTsN)

217 Ok, I realize the source of my confusion now. Drew can't add. It was 52 yes, 48 no, according to sources on Drudge.

Posted by: T42 at November 21, 2013 09:18 AM (9DFhi)

218 This is proof that what has been going on in recent years is not "politics as usual". The Democrat party has been completely taken over by radicals who are hell bent on transforming the country.

Posted by: SamIam at November 21, 2013 09:18 AM (HMI9a)

219 Nope. He sees them losing, and badly at that, to the point where the filibuster will do them no good for a long time. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 01:17 PM (/Crba) I wish I shared your optimism...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at November 21, 2013 09:18 AM (9+ccr)

220 Maybe they're waiting for Captain Obama to fly it out of there, since he's better at everything than anyone else

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 09:18 AM (b7yum)

221 "Going to have to give up things that don't make them healthier." You know what isn't making me healthier, your salary President Asterisk.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 21, 2013 09:19 AM (Zswg6)

222

185 -

 

A yes vote was to keep things as they are.  So the 52 no votes means the current rule is dead. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 21, 2013 09:19 AM (TOk1P)

223 they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier Yeah, that should calm everybody down. Posted by: Cicero I dare the gub'mint to tell angry baby mamas to stop arguing from emotionalism......

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 09:19 AM (ix+5k)

224 I'm all for the nuclear option on Washington DC. Maybe at 5,000 AGL or so.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 21, 2013 09:19 AM (Ec6wH)

225 219 Nope. He sees them losing, and badly at that, to the point where the filibuster will do them no good for a long time. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 01:17 PM (/Crba) I wish I shared your optimism... --- It's only optimism with regards to the 2014 elections. I have a distinct feeling that these shitstains are going to try and pull an end-around for 2016.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:19 AM (/Crba)

226 I agree that this an admission that, at this moment, they believe they'll likely lose the Senate in 2014. So they want to get all the hard-left nominees passed now before 2014. This was't about creating a distraction. This was about grabbing power during a time of chaos. Look how quickly they did it. There wasn't any time to build up popular or talking head opinion to it. There were a few rumors last night and they just woke up and did it this morning.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 09:19 AM (ZPrif)

227 someone tell me how he is behaving any differently that the recent leaders of Venezuela

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:19 AM (zOTsN)

228

Isn't it funny how many of us have/hadfathers who were in WW2???

 

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 01:15 PM (b7yum)

 

Fcuking A Ditty Bag.

Posted by: ExSnipe at November 21, 2013 09:20 AM (57ubW)

229 I don't think that messaging about you're gonna have to give up your stuff was focus grouped

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 09:20 AM (Xlbr8)

230 Ladies,

http://cheezburger.com/56248577?ref=whatspopularfooter

No face available for size reference.

Posted by: DaveA at November 21, 2013 09:20 AM (DL2i+)

231 Even if we do win the Senate the long term harm of these "for life" Federal Judges will be devastating. There are some real winners in these nominees...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at November 21, 2013 09:20 AM (9+ccr)

232 227 someone tell me how he is behaving any differently that the recent leaders of Venezuela --- We haven't had a national toilet paper shortage or brownouts. Yet.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:21 AM (/Crba)

233 'I've also pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade. And I mean it.'

Posted by: RWC at November 21, 2013 09:21 AM (fWAjv)

234 It's time for Mooch Antoinette to give us another lecture about healthy eating.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:21 AM (lVPtV)

235 This vote is only temporary for THIS senate to use.  It expires with the new senate.  This is according to Rush.  Bold faced power grab if that is the case

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 21, 2013 09:21 AM (32Ze2)

236 Q: How is Obamacare like the 747 stuck at the airport? A: Neither can get off the ground You can get buy a Dreamliner, new, from Boeing for $200 million. Think about that when you're trapped in a $600 million website that has no 'Purchase' button.

Posted by: t-bird at November 21, 2013 09:21 AM (FcR7P)

237 You will go on Medicaid at birth and remain there until age 60 when you go on Medicare... until I get around to coding a website that will merge the two. Right now I'm too busy on the 'back 9' as I call it.

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 09:21 AM (vHRtU)

238 So do you think our sad Senator McChamberlain has learned anything about appeasing tyrants yet?

Posted by: JEM at November 21, 2013 09:21 AM (o+SC1)

239 Actually they're waiting for them to load some pudding on board for the pilot to dip his balls in after he gets it in the air

Posted by: DAve, old-school meme man at November 21, 2013 09:21 AM (b7yum)

240 I'd recommend that you extract as much information as you can from your liberal FB friends. Never defriend a liberal...always cultivate and find out as much as you can about them....

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (Ec6wH)

241

for 2016

 

they are going to use the data they pulled from Enroll America to keep Florida and Ohio and flip Texas

 

bank on it

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (zOTsN)

242 @jaketapper re: sacrifices folks may have to make for ACA, POTUS said "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier." Posted by: rockmom This should make a good future Ace post.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (oFCZn)

243 I don't think that messaging about you're gonna have to give up your stuff was focus grouped

Posted by: Purp at November 21, 2013 01:20 PM (Xlbr


But it worked so well for Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (8ZskC)

244 This vote is only temporary for THIS senate to use. It expires with the new senate. This is according to Rush. Bold faced power grab if that is the case

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 21, 2013 01:21 PM (32Ze2)

============================

So the new Senate simply passes the same rule, to much wailing and gnashing of teeth by the Democrats. And much popcorn eating by me.

Posted by: physics geek at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (MT22W)

245 There were a few rumors last night and they just woke up and did it this morning.

Yea, it was a total coincidence it happened a day after Obama crashed to  37% in the polling.

TOTAL. FUCKING. COINCIDENCE.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (Xlbr8)

246 Oh, and the State confiscates your Estate for all the Medicaid you received when you die. You really can't take it with you!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (Y92Nd)

247 235 This vote is only temporary for THIS senate to use. It expires with the new senate. This is according to Rush. Bold faced power grab if that is the case --- Each Senate sets their own rules. The new Majority Leader can take this vote as ammo to institute the same rule for the 2015-2017 Senate.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (/Crba)

248 Limbaugh said he's hearing there's a clause in this that the filibuster comes back if Republicans regain the majority but can't confirm it yet.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (102Hx)

249 I don't think that messaging about you're gonna have to give up your stuff was focus grouped

His wife said that same shit in 2008, and America ate it up.
http://is.gd/T1ZfZA

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 09:22 AM (ZKzrr)

250 Thus, the Senate has voted that you can end a filibuster with only 51 votes. I move that you can only end filibusters with all Democrats plus one additional vote...

Posted by: John S McCain is the 'S' in Shit Sandwiches at November 21, 2013 09:23 AM (FcR7P)

251 Once that plane gets airborne it needs to head east and do a low flyover NYC. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:23 AM (lVPtV)

252 How do you approve something with less yes votes than no votes?

Or is this Obama math?
---

I think what Drew means is that they held the vote on the procedural change.  They did not have enough votes to pass it, so it failed.  Status quo remains.

Posted by: Mayday at November 21, 2013 09:23 AM (eHc+1)

253 This should make a good future Ace post. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 01:22 PM (oFCZn) Didn't Mooch promise this before they yanked her off the trail in 2007, and they said RIGHTWINGLIES?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 21, 2013 09:24 AM (Y92Nd)

254 Tar, Feathers and Rail.

Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2013 09:24 AM (c9G2W)

255 Well, Barack, paying for Jenny next door to have her third abortion of the year doesn't exactly make me healthier, now does it?

Posted by: JEM at November 21, 2013 09:24 AM (o+SC1)

256

ok

 

so its just for THIS senate to use

 

these are LIFETIME appointments

 

they will not expire with a new senate

 

it is not a distraction, he is packing the courts with moonbats for lawfare

 

 

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:24 AM (zOTsN)

257 It's getting close to insurrection time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2013 09:24 AM (t3UFN)

258 Limbaugh said he's hearing there's a clause in this that the filibuster comes back if Republicans regain the majority but can't confirm it yet.
=======================

No Congress can bind the hands of a future Congress. So fuck the Democrats.

Posted by: physics geek at November 21, 2013 09:24 AM (MT22W)

259 You'll eat your gruel and enjoy it.

--- Mooch Antoinette

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:25 AM (lVPtV)

260 It's not one thing. It serves as a momentary distraction for the media, it allows for Court packing, and it gives Dem pols a chance to be seen as doing something in the eyes of their constituents. I doubt they'll get more than a day or two of Op-Eds before it's forgotten or dismissed as inside baseball. The only real damage will be in the Courts.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2013 09:25 AM (ZshNr)

261 they are going to use the data they pulled from Enroll America to keep Florida and Ohio and flip Texas

bank on it Posted by: thunderb

I'm not sure energizing million who lost their healthcare to vote is going to be winning strategy.

Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2013 09:25 AM (CMlD4)

262 I want to punch Hairy Reed in the throat.  What a nasty little perv.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:25 AM (lVPtV)

263

Obama woke up to find himself in Hell standing before the Devil.  He looked around and said  " to be perfectly frank,  I did not believe their was such a thing as Hell "

 

The Devil laughed and said  " Mr. President , I  really didn't  think  Hell  existed  either until  you showed up"

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 09:26 AM (m2CN7)

264 Each new Congress (ie every two years) sets it's own rules. Pretty sure that's the first order of business when the new Senate and House meet -- they vote on the rules for the term. So, technically, the rules always expire at the end of the term. The Senate and House are free to change their own rules at any time.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 09:26 AM (ZPrif)

265 I think what Drew means is that they held the vote on the procedural change. They did not have enough votes to pass it, so it failed. Status quo remains. Plain Engrish vs. math. See how easy that was?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 09:26 AM (ix+5k)

266 Actually they're waiting for them to load some pudding two busty stewardesses on board for the pilot to dip his balls in after he gets it in the air


Fixed.


If he makes it, he deserves them.


Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 09:26 AM (GQ8sn)

267 If the GOP Senate wanted to keep the filibuster rule, could they not have filibustered this vote?

Posted by: t-bird at November 21, 2013 09:26 AM (FcR7P)

268 "Each Senate sets their own rules. The new Majority Leader can take this vote as ammo to institute the same rule for the 2015-2017 Senate."

After the last batch of liberal loons are confirmed, I bet Reid "resets" the rule before the next Congress.

Posted by: mrp at November 21, 2013 09:26 AM (HjPtV)

269

damage in the courts is pretty big damage

 

and it lasts for decades

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:26 AM (zOTsN)

270 All your Congress belongs to me. Und you vil LIKE IT!

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 09:27 AM (vHRtU)

271 267 If the GOP Senate wanted to keep the filibuster rule, could they not have filibustered this vote? --- Senate rules are set by a majority vote IIRC.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:27 AM (/Crba)

272 " 'I've also pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade. And I mean it.' Posted by: RWC at November 21, 2013 01:21 PM"



Anybody want a peanut?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 21, 2013 09:27 AM (knoK7)

273 lifetime judicial appts are the problem Make it 20 years. No more.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 09:28 AM (ZPrif)

274 The filibuster protected the Democrats far more than it ever protected us. As far as I'm concerned this is a good development.

Posted by: AD at November 21, 2013 09:28 AM (CpdbL)

275 Honestly, BHO playing his kazillionth round of golf, then hopping on AF1 to go on some fab vacay...that doesn't make us any healthier. Mayhap we should stop paying for those?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, upholstering his throne of skulls at November 21, 2013 09:28 AM (naUcP)

276 272 " 'I've also pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade. And I mean it.' Posted by: RWC at November 21, 2013 01:21 PM" Anybody want a peanut? --- You want to go back to where I found you? Unemployed? IN GREENLAND?!?

Posted by: Barack Vizzini at November 21, 2013 09:28 AM (/Crba)

277 So,  this is how you apply  Affirmative Action   to Judicial Nominees?

Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2013 09:28 AM (6Uap0)

278

truly they are longing to be dictators

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:28 AM (zOTsN)

279 "they're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier." Holy hairy flying weasels the man is dumb. Things that people buy that don't make them healthier: Houses, education, cars, computers, any form of entertainment. Basically anything that separates us from subsistence farmers. How's that for a campaign message? We want you all to be agrarian subsistence farmers who homespin your clothes.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 21, 2013 09:28 AM (sByIH)

280 Lifetime judicial appts were from a time that the judiciary was, by far, the weakest of the 3 branches. In many ways today it is the strongest. Lifetime judicial appts are now a source of evil and corruption.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 09:29 AM (ZPrif)

281

#260 It applies to Executive Branch nominations too.  Obama's about to announce a radical NAACP lawyer to head the DOJ Civil Rights Division.  And if Sebelius and/or Holder actually end up resigning in the face of all the Obamacare/DOJ scandals, their successors now cannot be filibustered. 

 

I believe this is what the goal is.  Reid brought up the two DC Circuit nominations as bait to draw a filibuster so he could do this.  But it's really about the executive branch nominations that are coming and may be coming soon. 

 

I think we will see Sebelius resigning in the next few days.  The only reason she hasn't yet is that the White House feared a bruising confirmation battle and possible filibuster.

Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 09:29 AM (aBlZ1)

282 All your judges belong to me. Bailiffs shall now be 9 years old with no teeth. They shall be selected by lottery, however 'pork choppers' shall be excused.

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 09:29 AM (vHRtU)

283 Lifetime judicial appts were from a time that the judiciary was, by far, the weakest of the 3 branches. --- It was also a time where life expectancy was FAR shorter.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 09:29 AM (/Crba)

284 I think we got the time zones wrong.  Looks to me like that thing will be taking off 30 min. from now

Posted by: DAve, old-school meme man at November 21, 2013 09:30 AM (b7yum)

285 Ace is bringing it in a newd.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 21, 2013 09:30 AM (LSJmV)

286 And how many federal agencies will have the imprimatur to decide what is "healthy" and what is "not healthy"?

Posted by: mrp at November 21, 2013 09:30 AM (HjPtV)

287 You want to go back to where I found you? Unemployed? IN GREENLAND?!? Posted by: Barack Vizzini

OK, when do we leave - I wanna club some seals for bacon.

Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2013 09:30 AM (CMlD4)

288 we need to get court packing trending on twitter

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:30 AM (zOTsN)

289 Waiter: "Cream of SumYungGuy?" Harry Reid: "Right here."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 21, 2013 09:31 AM (INAoP)

290 The damage to the Courts is major, but now that confirmation is assured, it's a fait accompli.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2013 09:32 AM (ZshNr)

291 288 we need to get court packing trending on twitter --- Fudge, Packerd?

Posted by: Humphrey at November 21, 2013 09:33 AM (/Crba)

292 Things that people buy that don't make them healthier:  Houses, education, cars, computers, any form of entertainment.

I don't know about you, but this time of year I'm much healthier sleeping in the house than sleeping out under a tree.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 09:33 AM (ZKzrr)

293 Nood up!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 09:33 AM (ix+5k)

294 271 267 If the GOP Senate wanted to keep the filibuster rule, could they not have filibustered this vote?

---

Senate rules are set by a majority vote IIRC.

 

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 21, 2013 01:27 PM (/Crba)

 

Actually, current Senate rules allow a change in those rules only with 67 votes.  This is why Reid did it this way today.  It was a "ruling of the chair" that was appealed and then voted on. 

 

So, not only did they kill the filibuster, they violated existing senate rules to do it. That is why they called it a "nuclear option" - not because it nukes the filibuster but because it nukes Senate rules in order to do away with the filibuster. 

Posted by: rockmom at November 21, 2013 09:34 AM (aBlZ1)

295 life expectancy for an already middle-aged guy was still pretty high back then. Life expectancy 200 years ago was much shorter because of the much higher odds of dying in infancy or childhood. Ben Franklin wasn't a freak of nature. It wasn't crazy that people live into their 70s -- especially if they'd already made it into middle-age.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 21, 2013 09:34 AM (ZPrif)

296

FJ

 

average life expectancy in 1776 was 37

 

 

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 09:36 AM (zOTsN)

297

I'm on the Move-On email list, and it's been deliciously hilarious; today, especially so: In addition to "just a website glitch", evil repubs, and the media "not covering the good stuff"; today, they ask their legion lunatics, "Not sure if Obamacare's helped you already?"

 

 

And, of course, they're still begging for 'success stories'  SHWING!

Posted by: Mr Beefy (if you're nasty) at November 21, 2013 09:38 AM (bUmSq)

298
I used to read A. J. Strata's website (The Stratasphere) almost daily until he went along with the "The Coalition of the Chillin'" - McCain and Co. He really didn't like my comments about this "deal." (His is probably the only website I left voluntarily before banning.)

Anyways, I'm wondering what he's thinking now. Along with all of the other "conservative bloggers" that jumped on "The Coalition of the Chillin'" bandwagon.

Anybody remember any of those bloggers? There were some pretty big ones. Was Poppin' Fresh also a member? (I think he was).

Think they feel like dupes today? I have a funny feeling they have an excuse for why it was a horrible idea back then but no big deal now.

I knew this was coming eventually, but would anybody listen back then? The "smart" ones didn't.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 21, 2013 09:43 AM (tOkJB)

299 these are typically lifetime appointments

they don't change every time there is an election

Yeah, beginning to doubt the wisdom of that.

Ten year terms. One only.

If you do 18 year terms, you get two appointments per presidential term.  Works out nicely.

Ten year terms comes out to about 1 new justice every year, which means that a two-term president would be able to appoint an eight-justice majority.  Bad news.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 21, 2013 09:54 AM (ZMzpb)

300 ...and it will open a whole new can of worms when the GOP has the majority. I'd be inclined to say that it MAY open a whole new can of worms when the GOP has the majority. I'm not sure the Republican "leadership" has demonstrated that it has the balls to attempt to steamroll their opposition like the Democrats do.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 21, 2013 10:01 AM (vd7A8)

301 Hey, don't forget Obama was telling donors a week or so ago that he was going to reshape the courts. Obama can't get his nominations through because of their ideologies. He is nominating people from the militant activist class of the Democrat party. We will be getting OWS judges and just anlittle closer to the full Chavez.

Posted by: Wodun at November 21, 2013 10:01 AM (fbqZE)

302 "They're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier."

Obama said that in 2009. 

No one cared.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 10:20 AM (fwARV)

303 FJ

average life expectancy in 1776 was 37

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 01:36 PM (zOTsN)

Because infant mortality was so high.

Survive infancy, and it was likely that you'd live into your 70s or 80s.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 10:21 AM (fwARV)

304 and now more than ever since the Senate is a simple "majority rules" institution it is time to flush twice for McCain Gang

Posted by: sven at November 21, 2013 11:26 AM (9jfyN)

305 average life expectancy in 1776 was 37

As has been pointed out, that's because some ridiculously high percentage of deaths was when people were young kids.

The key word there is *average*.

Posted by: GMan at November 21, 2013 11:28 AM (sxq57)

306 "Right, but I mean even in the future, even after the Dems just nuclear raped the Repubs, I bet McCain and other Repubs won't support similar tactics against the Dems."

So you know what we have to do about "McCain and Other Repubs".  Remind me again what was so bad about that AZ radio guy.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 21, 2013 11:47 AM (XO6WW)

307 Hagan, Landrieu, Begich, Baucus(Open Seat) all voted for this crap? Tim Johnson?

The faux bitch Heidi up in North Dakota? The arrogance of these bastards. Then when they are up for re-elect they veer to the right

Posted by: myron at November 21, 2013 01:27 PM (IwJ2p)

308 The House needs to tell Reid F-off. No bills will be passed until 2015

Posted by: myron at November 21, 2013 01:43 PM (IwJ2p)

309 Drew: "This is about a couple of things: 1. Packing the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. This court is important because most challenges to federal regulations go through that court. A small number of those cases may make it to the Supreme Court but generally, it's the last word on a lot of federal business." Give Drew a cookie, Uncle Ace. He cut to the point -- the LEFT's point, BTW. Leave aside whether filling EXISTING VACANCIES qualifies as "packing" [which it clearly does not; "packing" is like where FDR tried to expand the raw number of positions in the SCOTUS], Drew gets this completely correct: THE REASON the DC Court is so important -- and by far the most important CCA in the nation -- is that 1) it, and it alone, has original and first appeal court jurisdiction over the POLICIES of the administration of the day, and 2) to a lesser, but still significant, extent, it's the single 'go-to' court for elevation to the SCOTUS. All of which explains the Big Lie that rural nitwit Grassley is leading about "packing", and on the larger level why the Filibuster Rule is being killed NOW, as opposed to when and if the day comes when Republicans control both the White House and the Senate (a day that is, admittedly, increasingly unlikely to arise over the next quarter century).

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 21, 2013 02:22 PM (w45V0)

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