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October 24, 2013

Seven Anarchist Senators Seek Obamacare Delay
— JohnE.

This is just sickening. Seven suicide-vest wearing economic terrorist Senators are looking to delay settled law.

Seven Senate Democrats want the White House to postpone parts of the law while contractors and the government work out kinks that have kept many consumers from signing up.
West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin is co-sponsoring a bill to delay the $95 penalty for not enrolling.
Six other Democrats up for re-election next year are asking to postpone the March 31 enrollment deadline. They are Sens. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mark Udall of Colorado, Tom Udall of New Mexico, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Mark Begich of Alaska and Kay Hagan of North Carolina.

I hope MoveOn.org adds this traitors to their sedition petition.

Posted by: JohnE. at 11:45 AM | Comments (243)
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1 Why, they're just like the Taliban. I'm sure Tingles, Fat Ed, Madcow and Al not-so Sharpton will condemn them for this. Oh, wait. They're DEMOCRATS, you say? Never mind.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 11:47 AM (7ObY1)

2 hehe.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 11:47 AM (IXrOn)

3 Why would they want to sabotage Obamacare? Why?!!!

Posted by: no good deed at October 24, 2013 11:47 AM (k55Fc)

4 No delays. Obama had his chance, and he refused. No delays of any part of his legacy law. Let every American feel the full weight of this monstrosity that bears his name.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at October 24, 2013 11:48 AM (/sohm)

5 Say...didn't we just have a government shutdown over this very issue?

Posted by: Jprs at October 24, 2013 11:48 AM (YQ4mh)

6 Partisian hacks. But I repeat myself.

Posted by: aerofanatic at October 24, 2013 11:48 AM (h8FS0)

7 Holy crap, my first-ever FIRST and I didn't say FRIST or FURST or nuthin'. (hangs head in shame.)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 11:48 AM (7ObY1)

8 West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin is co-sponsoring a bill to delay the $95 penalty for not enrolling. Six other Democrats up for re-election next year are asking to postpone the March 31 enrollment deadline. They are Sens. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mark Udall of Colorado, Tom Udall of New Mexico, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Mark Begich of Alaska and Kay Hagan of North Carolina. Interesting, as Rubio already had one in the works. This is a pre-empt.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 11:48 AM (IXrOn)

9 Now for something completely different: Why your beer explosively foams explained here: http://tinyurl.com/kalocwd

Posted by: captslaq at October 24, 2013 11:49 AM (L2ZVm)

10 Gee, I wonder what all these Democrats might have in common.

Nope, I'm stumped.

Posted by: cool arrow at October 24, 2013 11:49 AM (WMsq+)

11 Let's see if they are labeled Cyan Dog Democrats. Or, a tad lighter shade of Blue. Then, bus.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 11:51 AM (IXrOn)

12 F*ck em No delays, no waivers, full steam ahead! These crapweasels wanted this sh*t sandwich- now let em EAT IT!

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 24, 2013 11:52 AM (ifW8f)

13 The new saboteurs. How provocative. Sexy, even.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 11:52 AM (IXrOn)

14 "It's. The. Law."

Posted by: wooga at October 24, 2013 11:53 AM (w4IDR)

15 Waitaminnit - since this involves 'revenue', doesn't any delay in collecting it have to originate in the House?

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at October 24, 2013 11:53 AM (lILC0)

16 How about this for radical, you Progressives: Forgive the debt.

Posted by: DM at October 24, 2013 11:53 AM (lhNul)

17 you arrogant ass. you've killed us.

Posted by: The Hunt for Red Obama at October 24, 2013 11:53 AM (KHo8t)

18 Time for SMERSH to act.

Posted by: Penfold at October 24, 2013 11:54 AM (Fbt5B)

19 Six other Democrats up for re-election next year

Clearly they care more about themselves than the poor sick dying children counting on Obamacare.

O_o

Delay-hadists!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 24, 2013 11:54 AM (/kI1Q)

Well, nothing quite sums up the current American political situation quite like this. I really don't even have anything to add to this farce. Drink it all in America, you voted for these assholes.

Ted Cruz - 3 weeks early of sound Democratic policy.

Posted by: Jollyroger at October 24, 2013 11:55 AM (t06LC)

21 Idea: Everybody continuously retweet Obama's legendary "It's. The. Law." tweet about the ACA, which was accompanied by a picture of his signature. Every time he flippantly and inconstitutionally alters the law to his political expedient whims, just retweet it, over and over.

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2013 11:55 AM (+cx5n)

22 Delaying the individual mandate - which is all they are proposing - means exploding the deficit.

Here's why: even without the mandate, those who need coverage will sign up for it anyway. They will get subsidies if working, most successful enrollees so far are being added to Medicaid rolls. Sick people will enroll and begin increasing the costs. The mandate was designed to force young healthy people into paying premiums to offset those costs. Obama's own estimate was that at least 2.7 million young healthy people out of 7 million enrollees would be required to meet the finance goals.

Without a mandate, there is no reason for healthy people to rush to sign up for expensive coverage. Game, set, match.

Posted by: Adjoran at October 24, 2013 11:56 AM (473jB)

23 Politics 101: When in doubt, pledge to do something really, really fucking obvious for your constituency. Timing is everything.

Posted by: Fritz at October 24, 2013 11:57 AM (TKFmG)

24 Waitaminnit - since this involves 'revenue', doesn't any delay in collecting it have to originate in the House?

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock

Under a system that holds accountability and fidelity to the Constitution as supreme, perhaps.

But under our current system the Pres has the power of the executive to turn things off and on once the money has been authorized.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 24, 2013 11:57 AM (xz0nG)

25 The Trotskyites have unveiled themselves! And, as expected, they are all white males and one traitor to her sex!! Gulags, send them to the gulags. Traitors. (Hopefully NSA is getting all of this, that way I will get two blankets - Winning).

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 24, 2013 11:58 AM (oDCMR)

26 Why can't this piece of shit "law" just fall apart???? Why do we have to go through the motions of delaying the damn thing? God, I wish it would just fall apart. Everyone has to know what a disaster this is. Not talking about the technical issues of the website -- but the obvious - how everyone's premiums are going up and we get less with our plans. How does this not resonate with people?????

Posted by: Sassy at October 24, 2013 11:58 AM (HPPSy)

27 Mark Udall (D-CO) is only doing it because he knows his shit's in the wind.

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 11:58 AM (x3YFz)

28 We are being held hostage by these Tea Baggers..... Wait... what?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 24, 2013 11:58 AM (32Ze2)

29 This couldn't have anything to do with 2014 could it?

/s

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 24, 2013 11:58 AM (lVPtV)

30 Well, I agree with MoveOn.org about these seven, at least. See? I'm bipartisan!

Posted by: Pipboy 3000 at October 24, 2013 11:59 AM (+H/11)

31 I definitely heard a "boy" in this statement.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 24, 2013 11:59 AM (32Ze2)

32
I saw Sedition Petition open for the Stone Roses back in '93.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 24, 2013 11:59 AM (TIIx5)

33 Mary Landrieu better get on board before that train gets completely out of the station.

Posted by: CFMatzke at October 24, 2013 11:59 AM (BntUA)

34 Ted Cruz: Captain! Slow down! The ship is going to hit an iceberg.

Cap'n Obama: Wingnut! There's no icebergs around here.

(Titanic smashes into iceberg.)

Cap'n Obama's cheerleaders: Now we need to slow down.

Cruz: Captain, we're taking on water! It's too late to slow down!

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 12:00 PM (Hx5uv)

35 I read that as Anti-Christ and it still works.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 24, 2013 12:00 PM (VtjlW)

36 F*ck em No delays, no waivers, full steam ahead! These crapweasels wanted this sh*t sandwich- now let em EAT IT! The law is like science. It's settled!!!11!!!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:00 PM (cUARf)

37 Hello, Crapweasels, I've been a waitin' on you....

Posted by: 2014 Midterms at October 24, 2013 12:00 PM (LA7Cm)

38 yeah...so the shutdown...fuck Cruz 'cause the delay is evil...until uh now

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:00 PM (9jfyN)

39 Are they holding a gun to Obama's head?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2013 12:01 PM (JRmiD)

40 Everyone at MSDNC is going to spontaneously combust.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 24, 2013 12:01 PM (lVPtV)

41
Also on that list, Georgia Dem Senate candidate Michelle Nunn.

Quote from the AJC:

"I believe that in light of the recent implementation challenges, I agree with bipartisan efforts led by Georgia Senator Johnny Isakson to postpone the insurance penalty for Georgia familiesÂ”

She then added, "Hail Hydra!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2013 12:02 PM (kdS6q)

42 Ted Cruz - 3 weeks early of sound Democratic policy.
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Timing is everything. Well, that and lies.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 12:02 PM (Hx5uv)

43 I don't mind the "tea bagger" label. Every time I hear it I picture... well, we'll save what I picture but:

we're baggin'
we're baggin'
you like that?
we're baggin'
how's my balls taste?
we're baggin'

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 12:02 PM (x3YFz)

44 If they do it, the MFM will hail it as a reasonable decision and instantly forget everything they said about delay being sabotage when Republicans wanted it. MFM delenda est - remember to tell someone about their lies and contradictions every chance you get. Because for crying out loud.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 24, 2013 12:02 PM (qyfb5)

24 Delaying the individual mandate - which is all they are proposing - means exploding the deficit.

Here's why: even without the mandate, those who need coverage will sign up for it anyway. They will get subsidies if working, most successful enrollees so far are being added to Medicaid rolls. Sick people will enroll and begin increasing the costs. The mandate was designed to force young healthy people into paying premiums to offset those costs. Obama's own estimate was that at least 2.7 million young healthy people out of 7 million enrollees would be required to meet the finance goals.

Without a mandate, there is no reason for healthy people to rush to sign up for expensive coverage. Game, set, match.

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It is my understanding, that those States that created an exchange are liable if the insurance companies beg out. The insurance companies can put the policies back to the state. For the Feds, they have to accept put backs from those states that did not set up an exchange. The cost to the States setting up the exchanges had to accept the new rules for Medicare coverage. So the Prog States may be bankrupt sooner rather than later when Dear Leader's plan hits the dust.

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 24, 2013 12:02 PM (oDCMR)

46 100X more people are losing their health care plans, which by and large they like, than are getting any plans on the obamadeath exchanges. Ah what was the point of obamadeath again? To increase the number of people covered? I don't think so

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 12:02 PM (t3UFN)

47 BOMB THROWERS

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 12:02 PM (3ZtZW)

48 More people have lost their coverage under Obamacare than have signed up for new plans: http://t.co/x8mvFxDqqP (goes to Forbes.com).

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 12:03 PM (sByIH)

49 There's only one party walking around DC with a bomb vest on and that's the Democrats. They put it on willingly, why should we help them take it off?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Fall Enormities are Now In at the Outrage Outlet! at October 24, 2013 12:03 PM (hLRSq)

50 Back and bigger than ever but this time with more Delay-Hadists!

Posted by: 2014 Midterms at October 24, 2013 12:03 PM (LA7Cm)

51 tallywhackers

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 12:03 PM (3ZtZW)

52 They are disrespecting my black president.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 24, 2013 12:03 PM (32Ze2)

53 A followup note:

I predicted quite some time ago that (a) when discussing aspects of the new health care law that are popular with the public, Democrats would call it "Obamacare", and (b) that when discussing aspects of the new health care law that are unpopular with the public, Democrats would call it "the Affordable Care Act".

Ever since then, confirming examples have been stacking up.

Last night, the phone rang. It was my liberal Democratic congresscritter, inviting me to listen in to a live virtual town hall meeting where they were going to be discussing -- you guessed it -- "issues with the Affordable Care Act".

Yep. Because there is absolutely no fucking way on God's green earth that they would EVER be implying that "Obamacare" has issues, and hence that there might be questions about the competence of Obama himself. That is a taboo never to be transgressed in liberal ranks. Hence these circumlocutions.

Note also that if a House member in one of the deepest blue districts in Commiefornia is having to do active damage control about this stuff, it means that Democrats in competitive swing districts must have fear-induced diarrhea running down the inside of their pants legs.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 24, 2013 12:04 PM (gqT4g)

54 Posted by: The Hunt for Red Obama Fun facts: Remember what one of the reasons Ramius decided to defect was? It always comes back around, doesn't it...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, back to his /roots at October 24, 2013 12:04 PM (naUcP)

55 I don't mind the "tea bagger" label. Every time I hear it I picture... well, we'll save what I picture but: we're baggin' we're baggin' you like that? we're baggin' how's my balls taste? we're baggin' Baggin' your shit like a boss!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:04 PM (cUARf)

56 Gonna be some pissed off people who are having their plans cancelled . What are they supposed to do ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at October 24, 2013 12:04 PM (1jQhu)

57 Liberalism: Ideas So Good They're Mandatory....

Posted by: B at October 24, 2013 12:04 PM (VC56G)

58 Delay, you say? You must be... Terrorists! MSNBC Racists! C. Mathews Laughing Stocks! H. (Pederast) Reid Fools! J. McCain.

Posted by: LASue at October 24, 2013 12:04 PM (gjIQF)

59 Colorado Congresscritter Bennett is in state today doing blue collar jobs to emphasize that real people down shut down like those damn Tea Partiers.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 12:05 PM (Hx5uv)

60 Cruz: Captain, we're taking on water! It's too late to slow down!

Posted by: WalrusRex

McCain: It's those wacko bergs!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 24, 2013 12:05 PM (xz0nG)

61 They are disrespecting my black president. Just his white half.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:05 PM (cUARf)

62 44
Also on that list, Georgia Dem Senate candidate Michelle Nunn.

I hope Jack Kingston beats that scrunt.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 24, 2013 12:05 PM (lVPtV)

63 Affordable Care Act? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at October 24, 2013 12:05 PM (Pr6hk)

64 Bomb-wearing extremists? Yeah, we got 'em. We got 'em real good.

Posted by: 2014 Midterms at October 24, 2013 12:05 PM (LA7Cm)

65 We are bogged down on the front end tech problems and individual mandate (It's a tax!) while the unbelievably perverse economic incentives persist. The UCA will push millions to part time work and Medicare. Small businesses are functionally capped at 50 employees. And worst of all, the lower middle class is incentivized to make less money. To name three.

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 12:05 PM (sOtz/)

66 Its almost like these Dems didn't read the fucking bill or something.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at October 24, 2013 12:06 PM (9Bdcz)

67
Posted by: The Hunt for Red Obama

Fun facts: Remember what one of the reasons Ramius decided to defect was?

It always comes back around, doesn't it...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, back to his /roots at October 24, 2013 04:04 PM (naUcP)

Drunk doctor kills his wife on the operating table during a routine procedure (appendectomy?).

Good catch, I'd forgotten about that.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 24, 2013 12:07 PM (TIIx5)

68 Its almost like these Dems didn't read the fucking bill or something. Read it? Shirley you jest!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:07 PM (cUARf)

69 Some LIV jackass called our Vox Populi and posted, "Any employers who refuse to provide health insurance for their employees will pay. Karma is a bitch."

I'd love to run into this person. And by run into, I mean I'd like to watch a semi-flatten them.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 24, 2013 12:07 PM (lVPtV)

70 71 Schwable,

it was like a bezoar...pass it to know what's in it

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:08 PM (9jfyN)

71 @70 me Not Medicare, Medicaid.

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 12:08 PM (sOtz/)

"Its almost like these Dems didn't read the fucking bill or something..."

They were for it before they were against it...........see?

Posted by: 2014 Midterms at October 24, 2013 12:08 PM (LA7Cm)

73

My prediction? P A I N

Suck it proles

Posted by: Barry "Clubber Lang" Soetoro at October 24, 2013 12:08 PM (Pr6hk)

>>>"the $95 penalty for not enrolling."

Come on, that's not enough to force the kind of enrollment we want.

Posted by: United Identity Thieves of America at October 24, 2013 12:08 PM (wAQA5)

75 Let the whole ball of shit hit the fan already. No use having a room full of people standing around for another year waiting for it. Just do it and get it over with. Then when everyone's good and pissed we can talk about cleaning the place up.

Posted by: Dang at October 24, 2013 12:09 PM (Hx2XA)

76 74 Jane D'oh,

go bungee jumping with neckties with 'em

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:09 PM (9jfyN)

77 How dare they? Do they not know this is breast cancer awareness month?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 24, 2013 12:09 PM (7tvbz)

78 In other news, jwest is still making friends and influencing people in the thread below.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 24, 2013 12:09 PM (lVPtV)

79
Cruz: Captain, we're taking on water! It's too late to slow down!

Posted by: WalrusRex

McCain: It's those wacko bergs!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 24, 2013 04:05 PM (xz0nG)

The Joooooos sunk the Titanic!

Iceberg, Goldberg......same difference.

Posted by: Zombie Yasir Arafat at October 24, 2013 12:09 PM (TIIx5)

80 #22 Boehner should say that Obamacare is the Law of the Land and that he will not negotiate anymore on Obamacare and, hence, the house will not vote on this bill.
====

Obama doesn't want to negotiate on this anyway, and then after that, he can blame the Republicans.

The Dems are really starting to feel the heat on this. . .if I were a Dem Senator in a purplish state, I'd be sweating bullets right now.

Posted by: looking closely at October 24, 2013 12:10 PM (PwGfd)

81 Hopefully Apple will hire TFG to help with their software roll outs.

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 24, 2013 12:10 PM (oDCMR)

82 Bring me Beria.

Posted by: Barack Dzugashvili at October 24, 2013 12:10 PM (LibCU)

83 It doesn't work. We need single payer!!!

Posted by: Truck Monkey, With a Liberal Dose of Liberal Logic at October 24, 2013 12:10 PM (32Ze2)

84 You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know it was never going to verk

Posted by: Werner Von Braun at October 24, 2013 12:10 PM (Pr6hk)

85 Democrats in competitive swing districts must have fear-induced diarrhea running down the inside of their pants legs. ======= Good! It. builds character, or something ...

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 24, 2013 12:10 PM (KyNVK)

86 West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin is co-sponsoring a bill to delay the $95 penalty for not enrolling. Is it only $95.00 -- or some percentage of Adjusted Gross Income, whichever is higher?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 24, 2013 12:10 PM (U2UQk)

87 See, with all the LIVs and True Believer hacks out there, I kinda want to buy up all the cheap surplus Soviet stars, medals, commissar buttons and assorted gee-gaws and hand 'em out like clever, thoughtful gifts. See, I'm sure they'll all giggle and take the things and put 'em on, becoz ironic you know?, but we'll have a dandy way to sort 'em out anyway.

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 12:10 PM (3ZtZW)

88 They really put the kabuki in kabuki.

Posted by: Dang at October 24, 2013 12:11 PM (Hx2XA)

89 These yahoos don't really give a shit whether the law is delayed or not.. they simply want to be able to campaign next year they they were at the leading edge of those Senators calling for a delay.. but those crazy Rethuglikans wouldn't allow it.. it was sabotage!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 24, 2013 12:11 PM (f9c2L)

90 What's going to piss us all off is when a majority of repubs support and vote for this.

Posted by: Soona at October 24, 2013 12:11 PM (XwUBy)

91 Obamacare/"Affordable health care act" insurance policies are extremely affordable when you can't actually, you know, buy any of them anywhere.

Posted by: looking closely at October 24, 2013 12:11 PM (PwGfd)

92 It doesn't work. We need single payer!!! Double down on non-functioning!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:11 PM (cUARf)

93 We could NEVER get a delay CR through the Senate! Thank God we surrendered!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2013 12:12 PM (+NYjg)

94

I have the one procedure that can take care of the Democrat's 'burden'

Posted by: Dr Gosnell at October 24, 2013 12:12 PM (Pr6hk)

95 Whatever happening to Piglosi's Giant Gavel of Doom?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 24, 2013 12:12 PM (lVPtV)

96 Valerie, can I fire senators?

Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent at October 24, 2013 12:12 PM (wAQA5)

97 90 nighthawk,

I use it for aftershave, right Lindsey?

//J McCain

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:12 PM (9jfyN)

98 West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin is co-sponsoring a bill to delay the $95 penalty for not enrolling. Is it only $95.00 -- or some percentage of Adjusted Gross Income, whichever is higher? 1%.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:12 PM (cUARf)

99 happening = happened

stoopid keyboard

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 24, 2013 12:13 PM (lVPtV)

100

You didn't build that.

HOW screwed up is that.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at October 24, 2013 12:13 PM (Pr6hk)

101 I hope the CO GOP has bought itself half a clue from the recent recalls. There's no reason this state should be represented by two Democrats, especially that lying turd Bennet.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 24, 2013 12:13 PM (gH8uI)

102

>>>It doesn't work. We need single payer!!!

It will work if the *right* people are in charge!!1!

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 12:13 PM (3ZtZW)

103 Is it only $95.00 -- or some percentage of Adjusted Gross Income, whichever is higher?
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Right. 1%. So if you make a modest salary of $24,000, ~~penalty~~ tax is $240.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 12:13 PM (Hx5uv)

104

Time to take Obamacare on a fishing trip

Posted by: Fredo at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (Pr6hk)

105 93 They really put the kabuki in kabuki.
Posted by: Dang at October 24, 2013 04:11 PM (Hx2XA)
Kaboomki!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (7tvbz)

106
You didn't build that.

HOW screwed up is that.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at October 24, 2013 04:13 PM (Pr6hk)

*snort*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (TIIx5)

107 98 Bevel L,

I Know let's cede the purse!

//McConnell

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (9jfyN)

108 Is it only $95.00 -- or some percentage of Adjusted Gross Income, whichever is higher? Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat at October 24, 2013 04:10 PM (U2UQk) yes it'e the highest of the 2

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (t3UFN)

109 This might explain TFGs need to go campaign for Dem Senators instead of piloting the ship of Obamacare. Campaign cash always soothes the restless thoughts of party loyals.

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (oDCMR)

110 No delays not modifications. They voted vor it, they wanted it, now choke on it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (t3UFN)

111 #103

$95/1%? What the heck difference does THAT make? That's the least of your problems if you're locked out because of 404care.

If you have no insurance, you're going to be on the hook for a hell of a lot more than $95 if you or any of your family members get sick.

Posted by: looking closely at October 24, 2013 12:15 PM (PwGfd)

112 Yeah, but the delay according to some of these and others isn't because it's a bad law, but because soooooo many more people then they expected were anxious to sign up that it overwhelmed the system... Right....

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at October 24, 2013 12:15 PM (9+ccr)

113 94 ...they simply want to be able to campaign next year they they were at the leading edge of those Senators calling for a delay.. but those crazy Rethuglikans wouldn't allow it.. it was sabotage! Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry At this rate, the Democrats will soon start calling it "RomneyCare" again. Then they'll Photoshop that picture of Pelosi with the giant gavel to instead be Ted Cruz with a giant gavel. Headlines will blare: "When the time came to vote on this disastrous ACA "RomneyCare" in Congress, the Republicans were unanimous!"

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2013 12:15 PM (+cx5n)

114 Pretty sure the chicken has had enough of jwest's clumsy lovemaking skillz by now

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 24, 2013 12:15 PM (gH8uI)

115 They really put the ~~kabuki~~ bukaki in kabuki. Fixed.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:15 PM (cUARf)

116

"It doesn't work. We need single payer!!!"

It doesn't work because it is too small! We need to make it too big to fail because that is the way it will work!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Fall Enormities are Now In at the Outrage Outlet! at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (hLRSq)

117 Seven Brides for Seven Brohbammas!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (DHQv9)

118 Hey guys, we just voted for Obamacare, but for true, we're not REALLY for it.

Posted by: Boone at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (3p8HS)

119

How we have a feeling this patient will have its future procedures paid for, though it should be terminated STAT.

Posted by: IPAB at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (Pr6hk)

120 Note that ABC stuck with the "Obamacare" label in the head rather than switching to "Affordable Care Act".

This labeling distinction is going to become a matter of significance in the near future.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (4tK7k)

121 This global spying on allies thing is escalating quickly. When GWB expanded counterterror they said it would be abused, and they were right, prescient even.

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (sOtz/)

122 Popcorn handy? Here's Joan Walsh versus Ezra Klein in the PPV monster clash. http://bit.ly/17Muc2Q

Posted by: MTF at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (z6Elp)

123 O/T: The University of Colorado is banning "stereotype" Halloween costumes: cowboys, Indians, sombreros, etc. Well, I wouldn't want the students to get introuble, so as an alternative I think they should all go to parties as "preening idiots". The campus bookstore should be able to provide the doctoral cap and gown needed.

Posted by: T. at October 24, 2013 12:17 PM (zI9oJ)

124 How do you spot an idiot?

http://tinyurl.com/kachcq3

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 12:17 PM (Hx5uv)

125 It will work if the *right* people are in charge!!1!

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts

Like us!

Posted by: Your betters in the GOP [/i] [/b] at October 24, 2013 12:17 PM (xz0nG)

126 So they pass a 1 year delay on the penalty in the Senate, can we at least pass a House version making it a 20 year delay? We can deal down to 10 years in negotiations and take a whole lotta time doing it. Meaning No Amnesty.

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 24, 2013 12:18 PM (oDCMR)

127 Republicans should decline to vote on these bills, and allow the Dems to continue owning this.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 12:19 PM (4tK7k)

128 Also, one more observation on the "Obamacare"-versus-"Affordable Care Act" fan dance in which the left are engaged:

I doubt anyone in the Horde would be surprised to learn that there are a large contingent of low information voters who don't realize these two things are actually one and the same. And now I've actually met one of those LIVs. An Obama voter.

Her hours at work were cut back because of what she called "That damn ACA-something-act." When this good little liberal finally does connect the dots and figure out it's Obamacare that is boning her financially? The cognitive dissonance pressure inside of her cramped cranium is going to be something to see.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 24, 2013 12:19 PM (gqT4g)

129 I think I'm sensing just the slightest smidge of snarkasm from John E.
I could be wrong but anyhoo....

Posted by: dananjcon at October 24, 2013 12:19 PM (wmU4G)

130 The article I linked to on Fox this morning said they are "moderates". There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 12:19 PM (zZbNF)

131

We have nothing to fear Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at October 24, 2013 12:19 PM (Pr6hk)

132 We *definitely* don't want anyone to dress up like Indians while carrying boxes of tea.

Posted by: Her Majesty's University of Colorado at October 24, 2013 12:20 PM (gH8uI)

133

At Drudge, 'Healthcare site contractor gives testimony. "Even I couldn't log on."

Hahahahahahah!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 24, 2013 12:20 PM (DHQv9)

134 If you have no insurance, you're going to be on the hook for a hell of a lot more than $95 if you or any of your family members get sick. There is something called mathematics I believe. Which would require a person to look at the annual premium and calculate the odds of major illness; then look at some other variables such as age, health of parents, smoker/non-smoker, fit vs fat, etc. Then calculate the amount of money one could bank every year vs paying an outlandish premium. The subtract the meager penalty for non-compliance. Healthy people with good habits can have a lot of money banked by giving Uncle Sam the middle finger.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 24, 2013 12:20 PM (U2UQk)

135 Her hours at work were cut back because of what she called "That damn ACA-something-act." When this good little liberal finally does connect the dots and figure out it's Obamacare that is boning her financially? The cognitive dissonance pressure inside of her cramped cranium is going to be something to see. 4+ hour schadenboner.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:20 PM (cUARf)

136

The country is crumbling. It is lawless.

You anarchists. Please take note. This is what it's like to have no law of the land. Petty tyrants take over almost immediately.

I shouted for secession on Nov 6, 2012, but got poo pooed. I'm screaming it now.

Posted by: Soona at October 24, 2013 12:21 PM (XwUBy)

137 Healthy people with good habits can have a lot of money banked by giving Uncle Sam the middle finger. Saboteurs!

Posted by: Ezra Klein[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 12:21 PM (sByIH)

138

Posted by: Clemenza at October 24, 2013 12:21 PM (zZbNF)

139

Time to identify another crop of Kulaks

Posted by: Joseph Stalin at October 24, 2013 12:21 PM (Pr6hk)

140 This global spying on allies thing is escalating quickly.

Everyone spies on everyone else, they always have. That's how you know if you nominal allies still are. Knowing your enemies positions is much easier.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 12:21 PM (4tK7k)

141 132 Republicans should decline to vote on these bills, and allow the Dems to continue owning this.

Posted by: Purp at October 24, 2013 04:19 PM (4tK7k)

Exactly. House Repubs should say that we have more pressing problems to deal with, like appropriations, the budget and the debt, and the Democrats should stop trying to hold up these important discussions by bringing up irrelevant things like 404Care.

After all, Its.The.Law.

Posted by: Ian Galt at October 24, 2013 12:22 PM (QdOC1)

142 Take the delay, leave the law

Posted by: Clemenza at October 24, 2013 12:22 PM (zZbNF)

143 No delays not modifications. They voted vor it, they wanted it, now choke on it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 04:14 PM (t3UFN)

This

and this..

Republicans should decline to vote on these bills, and allow the Dems to continue owning this.

Posted by: Purp at October 24, 2013 04:19 PM (4tK7k)

***

However as mentioned in the previous thread, the real shit sammich comes when people get smacked in the head with the 404Care rate quotes.

Either way, my shoddy-boner is fully engorged.

Posted by: dananjcon at October 24, 2013 12:23 PM (wmU4G)

144 No delays, let it burn.

Posted by: Andrew at October 24, 2013 12:23 PM (VjlMj)

145
The article I linked to on Fox this morning said they are "moderates". There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 04:19 PM (zZbNF)

A moderate leftist is willing to send kulaks to uranium mines in Kolyma rather than giving them a 9mm hemmorage in the Lubyanka basement.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 24, 2013 12:23 PM (TIIx5)

146 Too bad us TeaTards went ahead with that stupid "Demand a Delay" thingy. Best leave the strategery to our betters, and just vote as we're told.

Posted by: ScoggDog ... is not jwest at October 24, 2013 12:24 PM (l3W7C)

147 Call your 404Care doctor for any schadenboners that last more than 4+ hours.

Posted by: Ian Galt at October 24, 2013 12:24 PM (QdOC1)

148

Time to give Obamacare a little 'drip... drip... drip...' therapy

Posted by: Jack Kevorkian at October 24, 2013 12:24 PM (Pr6hk)

149 "Also on that list, Georgia Dem Senate candidate Michelle Nunn."

"I hope Jack Kingston beats that scrunt."

Kingston is going to have to survive the bloodbath that is sure to be the Republican primary and certain runoff right after that to get the opportunity. All the while, Nunn will be collecting cash and reminding the sheep about how totally awesome her diddy was.

Posted by: Jaws at October 24, 2013 12:24 PM (4I3Uo)

150 "They are Sens. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mark Udall of Colorado, Tom Udall of New Mexico, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Mark Begich of Alaska and Kay Hagan of North Carolina."

I figure Begich and Pryor are goners. Hagan, a likely goner given the voting reforms that the GOP in NC have pushed through.

No read from me on the likelihood of ousting Shaheen or the Udalls.

I would _hope_ that the momentum from the successful recalls in CO will result in at least the first of the Udalls losing. But it's sometimes tough to map state level results to federal level results.

Anyone have a better assessment about those races than I do?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 24, 2013 12:24 PM (gqT4g)

151 The peeps that don't file 1040's ain't paying the fine either....that is millions of $95 bills.

Posted by: torabora at October 24, 2013 12:25 PM (rXKF8)

152 Delay? Shit. When I die I want to go quick.

Posted by: U.S. economy at October 24, 2013 12:25 PM (wAQA5)

153 If you have no insurance, you're going to be on the hook for a hell of a lot more than $95 if you or any of your family members get sick.

Piffle. Go to an emergency room, claim you're an illegal with no ID or permanent address, make up a phony name and demand free treatment.

They're compelled to provide it. Its been that way for years.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 12:25 PM (4tK7k)

154 Of course, republicans - being the idiots they are - will support this idea.

Why not bail out Obama from his own mess to help democrats in their reelection efforts.

makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at October 24, 2013 12:25 PM (sOx93)

155 So does McCain call these Dems whacko birds?

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 24, 2013 12:26 PM (oDCMR)

156 Anyone heard from CarolT today? I know she made it up to Maine last night to see her brother Paul. Was wondering how her day is shaking out.

Posted by: jem at October 24, 2013 12:26 PM (fM4kr)

157 However as mentioned in the previous thread, the real shit sammich comes when people get smacked in the head with the 404Care rate quotes. Did you see the story where the HealthCare.gov website is UNDERestimating the rates by as much as half? Reason? They only take into account two ages: Below fifty, and above fifty.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 12:26 PM (sByIH)

158 Right. 1%. So if you make a modest salary of $24,000, penalty tax is $240.

May not sound like much, but if you only make $24k a year and are expecting a nice fat EIC enhanced refund check, you're going to notice that missing $240. That's three and a half days pay.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 24, 2013 12:27 PM (SY2Kh)

159 Right. 1%. So if you make a modest salary of $24,000, penalty tax is $240. Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 04:13 PM (Hx5uv) Even if one who is young and healthy and makes a less modest salary of $240,000, the penalty is only $2,400, which may still be cheaper than the premiums (plus the huge deductible, & even assuming they pay it) And won't there be some (many?) who choose not to buy Obamacare and either pay or don't pay the penalty, but wait to see if they get sick and if they do, sign up then? Or will they be denied care? (If so, doesn't that put them right back where they started?) This Obama thing is really one big smelly turd.

Posted by: LASue at October 24, 2013 12:27 PM (gjIQF)

160 Everybody continuously retweet Obama's legendary "It's. The. Law." tweet about the ACA, which was accompanied by a picture of his signature.

Or rotate his signature from the ACA 90 degrees and see it magically turn into a dick and balls. Nothing about this administration is accidental.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 24, 2013 12:27 PM (B/VB5)

161 Call in the chest bomb diffusers!!

Posted by: UWP at October 24, 2013 12:27 PM (fdXMW)

162 160 Monkeytoe at October 24, 2013 04:25 PM (sOx93)

Patriotic Duty wacko birdz...you know like Iraq in 2003-2004?

//Juan McCain

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:27 PM (9jfyN)

163

The spying on allies thing is a way for those allies to repudiate the US and go on with their lives not owing us a fkn thing. China was talking up a 'world without the US' economics viewpoint and IMO it was fairly persuasive.

/wave bye-bye to dollar as reserve currency

/wave hello to massive inflation

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 12:28 PM (3ZtZW)

164

141 I shouted for secession on Nov 6, 2012, but got poo pooed. I'm screaming it now.

Let us know how that works out for y'all.

Posted by: ZombieJeffDavis at October 24, 2013 12:28 PM (kduZC)

165 Call your 404Care doctor for any schadenboners that last more than 4+ hours. Telephone? Too modern. They take telegraph, mimeograph, and courier. No telephone.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 12:28 PM (sByIH)

166

OT: Pointy Elbows - A Retrospective

http://tinyurl.com/plwgoug

Posted by: McCool at October 24, 2013 12:28 PM (nCSwS)

167

>>>that is millions of $95 bills.

We don't print those yet.

Posted by: Ben Bernanke at October 24, 2013 12:29 PM (wAQA5)

168 #143 Gubberment will get around to taking the money you have in a bank.

Posted by: torabora at October 24, 2013 12:29 PM (rXKF8)

169

Healthy people with good habits can have a lot of money banked by giving Uncle Sam the middle finger.

------------------------------------------------

All it takes is one accident. And not even a big one to screw that plan up.

Posted by: Soona at October 24, 2013 12:29 PM (XwUBy)

170

Miss me yet?

Posted by: James from Plains at October 24, 2013 12:29 PM (Pr6hk)

171 Tingles fumes "Thug Cruz trying to kill #ObamasBaby."

Hilarity ensues:

http://tinyurl.com/prhupgo

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 24, 2013 12:30 PM (lVPtV)

172 169 Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 04:28 PM (3ZtZW)

FUCK! YOU EAT 25 Pounds WUGU BEEF!?!?! GO NOW!

//Uncle Yuan

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:30 PM (9jfyN)

173
Ooo - just checked. Looks like the floor for the itemized deduction for unreimbursed health expenses goes from 7.5% AGI in the 2012 tax year to 10% in 2013.

ACA related, I assume. Time to claw back some of those "heath care savings".

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2013 12:30 PM (kdS6q)

174 If you have no insurance, you're going to be on the hook for a hell of a lot more than $95 if you or any of your family members get sick. A) if you get sick with the insurance it's gonna cost you a hell of a lot more anway with 5-12 thousand Dollar deductibles. B) If you get sick then pick up the insurance- no pre-existing insurance.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 12:30 PM (t3UFN)

175 "141 I shouted for secession on Nov 6, 2012, but got poo pooed. I'm screaming it now. "

"Let us know how that works out for y'all."

Some retard Northeastern leftist at the amateur webzine Slate was agitating for it yesterday. I say we use this moment of agreement to give it a go.

Posted by: Jaws at October 24, 2013 12:31 PM (4I3Uo)

176 Call your 404Care doctor for any schadenboners that last more than 4+ hours. Then be told the nearest appointment is in four weeks, be prepared to shell out $2,000 because you haven't satisfied your deductible yet, and if it is an emergency check Bing Images for a picture of Helen Thomas.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 24, 2013 12:31 PM (U2UQk)

177 I wish A.B. was around for this. He'd make this all moar funner.

Posted by: dananjcon at October 24, 2013 12:31 PM (wmU4G)

178

It's a story of two Americas...

One with Government funded healthcare

One who is boned

Bend over proles, I'm covered here in prison

Posted by: John Edwards at October 24, 2013 12:31 PM (Pr6hk)

179 I have a hard-working friend for whom $240 represents resl money. Lots of clericals making that kind of dough.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at October 24, 2013 12:31 PM (izCt9)

180 This global spying on allies thing is escalating quickly. Everyone spies on everyone else, they always have. That's how you know if you nominal allies still are. Knowing your enemies positions is much easier. Posted by: Purp at October 24, 2013 04:21 PM (4tK7k) That's the only thing the NSA is doing that I'm not pissed about.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 24, 2013 12:31 PM (VtjlW)

181 RACISTS AND HOMOPHOBES!

Posted by: Reggie True Love at October 24, 2013 12:32 PM (L8ct0)

182 Someone only making 24K would get a subsidy that the sucker making 240K would be paying. The key to the guy making 240K is to make sure you set aside a bunch of money to cover an ER visit or they may not take you if they don't consider it life threatening (unless you are an illegal)

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 12:32 PM (zZbNF)

183
All it takes is one accident. And not even a big one to screw that plan up.
Posted by: Soona

Emergency room. The real problem is anything that requires continuing care, unless you want to spend every weekend in the ER getting your insulin shots.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2013 12:32 PM (kdS6q)

184 Call your 404Care doctor for any schadenboners that last more than 4+ hours.

**

I got it! I got it!!

Posted by: Sandra Flook at October 24, 2013 12:32 PM (wmU4G)

185 According to Drudge, we were tapping the phones of 35 world leaders.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 12:33 PM (Hx5uv)

186 If you get sick then pick up the insurance

Yep, a top of the line gold plan with minimal deductibles and co-pay. Make one payment to get it started up, get treated, then stop paying.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 12:34 PM (4tK7k)

187 191 According to Drudge, we were tapping the phones of 35 world leaders.

Well, that's one Obama promise kept. To make us more respected in the eyes of the world.

*snerk*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 24, 2013 12:34 PM (lVPtV)

188 158 Delay? Shit. When I die I want to go quick.
Posted by: U.S. economy at October 24, 2013 04:25 PM (wAQA5)
Gradually. Then suddenly.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 24, 2013 12:34 PM (7tvbz)

189

>>>Some retard Northeastern leftist at the amateur webzine Slate was agitating for it yesterday. I say we use this moment of agreement to give it a go.

Oh yeah. I was saying this is probably the only window of time where the leftists wouldn't fight you right off, just legislatively sign off and sneer-laugh at you write some condescending editorials then go to war when the bills come due. It buys you some time.

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 12:34 PM (3ZtZW)

190 Her hours at work were cut back because of what she called "That damn ACA-something-act."

You did tell her that Obama signed that act into law, right? There's gotta be video of it on YouTube the WH hasn't taken down yet.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 24, 2013 12:35 PM (/kI1Q)

191 tapping the phones of 35 world leaders

The shocking thing isn't that we are, it would be if we were NOT.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 12:35 PM (4tK7k)

192 The Valuepenguin guy is on with Cavuto right now. I've missed a lot of it because of a phone call.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - CARDS - W.T.F. was that?!!!! at October 24, 2013 12:35 PM (bCEmE)

193 Yep, a top of the line gold plan with minimal deductibles and co-pay. Make one payment to get it started up, get treated, then stop paying. Lather, rinse, repeat. Didn't they nix that with the enrollment period timeout before coverage kicks in?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 12:35 PM (sByIH)

194

Purp,

Sure, it's the pooch of not getting caught which has been screwed.

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 12:35 PM (sOtz/)

195 That's the only thing the NSA is doing that I'm not pissed about. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 24, 2013 04:31 PM (VtjlW) As I said earlier, I don't care that they're spying on our allies. It's expected. What I do care about is that fact that this Admin lacks the motherfucking mother wit to not get caught.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 24, 2013 12:36 PM (GEICT)

196

The real problem is anything that requires continuing care, unless you want to spend every weekend in the ER getting your insulin shots.

k-9 insulin is close enough. I take cash only.

Posted by: Cicero Kid aka 'the vet' operates out of ustore it unit number 9 at October 24, 2013 12:36 PM (DHQv9)

197 It's a story of two Americas... One that understands math. And one this is gonna learn.......

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:36 PM (cUARf)

198
If you get sick then pick up the insurance

Yep, a top of the line gold plan with minimal deductibles and co-pay. Make one payment to get it started up, get treated, then stop paying.
Posted by: Purp

Is there some time standard in the ACA for how quickly an insurance company has to put you on the rolls after you go through the exchange? That could throw a monkey-wrench in that plan.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (kdS6q)

199 What I do care about is that fact that this Admin lacks the motherfucking mother wit to not get caught. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 24, 2013 04:36 PM (GEICT) Well when you farm out security clearances to a third party and do a shitty job, what do your expect?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (t3UFN)

200 All it takes is one accident. And not even a big one to screw that plan up. I once calculated the total premiums paid on my behalf by my employer (well I was the employer so I knew the numbers) over like 30 plus years vs all the accidents, all the injuries, all the yearly checkups for me, wife, and kids and discovered it was a 10 to 1 ratio. For ever $1.00 in premium paid we received .10 in care. YMMV, especially if your name is Joe Btfsplk.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (U2UQk)

201 Didn't they have a chance to do this by voting on the House CR?

Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (sTfkB)

202 for those that didn't catch the tape of the hannity show, of the woman that got fired http://tinyurl.com/n9wxy6t from realclearpolitics

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (IXrOn)

203 179 Ooo - just checked. Looks like the floor for the itemized deduction for unreimbursed health expenses goes from 7.5% AGI in the 2012 tax year to 10% in 2013.

Yep, and this is why I went to a health savings account plan. It has (this year) a 5000 deductible that I pay after which they pay 100%. That makes all of mine tax deductible. I didn't always meet the 7.5% floor anyway and after you subtract it the amount it added to the itemized deduction was miniscule. (unless you didn't have insurance at all)

The Bill Clinton tax hike is what took that health care costs from 100% to a 7.5% carve out. Shows you right there they never have give a flying shit about people and health care.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (zZbNF)

204 According to Drudge, we were tapping the phones of 35 world leaders.

Arrogant American imperialism in action. I hope Lurch socked in a big supply of RESET buttons in assorted dialects.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (8ZskC)

205 197 tapping the phones of 35 world leaders
The shocking thing isn't that we are, it would be if we were NOT.
Posted by: Purp at October 24, 2013 04:35 PM (4tK7k)
It's happening transparently now rather than opaquely.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 24, 2013 12:38 PM (7tvbz)

206 Is there some time standard in the ACA for how quickly an insurance company has to put you on the rolls after you go through the exchange? That could throw a monkey-wrench in that plan. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2013 04:37 PM (kdS6q) Well now that could be up to 6-9 months, but normally? not sure. But hey life is a gamble

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 12:38 PM (t3UFN)

207 If you get sick then pick up the insurance Yep, a top of the line gold plan with minimal deductibles and co-pay. Make one payment to get it started up, get treated, then stop paying. Lather, rinse, repeat. #nopenalty

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:38 PM (cUARf)

208 "k-9 insulin is close enough. I take cash only."

There are going to be a shit ton of people bogarting Fido's meds in the near future.

Posted by: Jaws at October 24, 2013 12:38 PM (4I3Uo)

209 k-9 insulin is close enough. I take cash only.

I let a K-9 inject me a couple times for free.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 24, 2013 12:38 PM (SY2Kh)

210 Sabotoogie!!11!!

Posted by: Leftards at October 24, 2013 12:39 PM (Dwehj)

211 Just run the illegal/faux-name/ER scam as a maintenance mode until you can get ramped up on the phat Gold plan shit.

Then go to another hospital that ain't seen you before.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 12:39 PM (4tK7k)

212 199 Yep, a top of the line gold plan with minimal deductibles and co-pay. Make one payment to get it started up, get treated, then stop paying. Lather, rinse, repeat. Didn't they nix that with the enrollment period timeout before coverage kicks in? Posted by: bonhomme at October 24, 2013 04:35 PM (sByIH) ------------------------- Yes. There is some kind of time gap. You'd be stuck for a few months. Just the same, for someone young and healthy and with no assets, it makes sense to be uninsured, MORE sense than it did before Obamacare. If you get stuck in that time gap, you'd have to borrow money to get through it. The hospital would surely cut you a deal, work out some payments, rather than lose it all if you go bankrupt.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 12:40 PM (dfYL9)

213 Well when you farm out security clearances to a third party and do a shitty job, what do your expect? Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 04:37 PM (t3UFN) What I expect from the present (fuckuppery) and what I expect in general (competence at a minimum) are two vastly divergent things. And that's a damn shame.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 24, 2013 12:41 PM (GEICT)

214 "k-9 insulin is close enough. I take cash only." There are going to be a shit ton of people bogarting Fido's meds in the near future. Fish antibiotics - close enough.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:41 PM (cUARf)

215 A sharp Indian tribe without a casino or natural gas reserves should be offing annual membership cards for $50.

Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2013 12:41 PM (sTfkB)

216 Didn't they have a chance to do this by voting on the House CR?

Yes, but if the shutdown were still happening they wouldn't dare suggest it. They were more concerned about "winning".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 24, 2013 12:41 PM (SY2Kh)

217 206
YMMV, especially if your name is Joe Btfsplk.

Posted by: SchrÃ¯Â¿Â½dinger's cat at October 24, 2013 04:37 PM (U2UQk)

When I first hired on at the company I used to work for the deductible was $50 and my cost was zero. I never met the deductible, in fact I never had a doctor visit. This continued for about 5 years until daughter was riding on the back of FIL's motorcycle and he dumped it.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 12:42 PM (zZbNF)

218
"They are Sens. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mark Udall of Colorado,
Tom Udall of New Mexico, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Mark Begich of Alaska
and Kay Hagan of North Carolina."

Just as a side note, most of these seven cockholsters comes from political families. 6 of the 7 have daddys that were elected officials.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 24, 2013 12:42 PM (TIIx5)

219

>>>Just run the illegal/faux-name/ER scam

Ooh, right. I forgot about using a "government name" and fake address. Everybody, drive around and find an empty lot - that's your address. Then name yourself something like "Roosevelt Franklin" or "Rhett Krauss"

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 12:42 PM (3ZtZW)

220 It's a story of two Americas...

One that understands math.

And one this is gonna learn.......
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Math is like gravity. It doesn't matter whether you understand them. They understand you.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 12:43 PM (Hx5uv)

221 213 #nopenalty

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 04:38 PM (cUARf)

They have that covered, Its not like car insurance. You are assessed the penalty on a month basis. You will pay that 1% for every month you did not have a qualified plan.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 12:43 PM (zZbNF)

222 ---- ""Her hours at work were cut back because of what she called "That damn ACA-something-act.""

"You did tell her that Obama signed that act into law, right?"

I was actually too gobsmacked to do that.

Ace occasionally riffs on how the Horde are very different from the average American. People who spend a big chunk of each day on politically oriented blogs have a good idea about what is going on politically. Average Joes and Janes don't do that and there's often a huge cultural and cognitive disconnect when talking to them.

But, when it suddenly smacks you with the reality club that, wow, this person really has no idea that Obamacare and the ACA _are the same thing_, it still is a bit of a shock of realization that, oh gosh, these sorts of people really do exist.

Even if I had had the presence of mind to point it out to her that the policies for which she voted are now wrecking her life, that is the sort of thing that is hard to do gently. There isn't any way to do that without casting aspersions, and she really was upset and unhappy to begin with.

If she were an unpleasant bitch, I'd have no qualms about saying, "Gee, I guess your being a dumb shit isn't working out too well for you," but she is actually a nice (if uninformed) individual.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 24, 2013 12:43 PM (gqT4g)

223 219 Well when you farm out security clearances to a third party and do a shitty job, what do your expect? Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 04:37 PM (t3UFN) The real problem is they have classified far too much, it actually required the government guys to do real work to design their project so that the core, essential elements that have to be classified are segregated from the vast majority of the work.

Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2013 12:44 PM (sTfkB)

224 Then name yourself something like "Roosevelt Franklin" or "Rhett Krauss" Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 04:42 PM (3ZtZW) Better off with a last name that ends with "ez". You'll be given a green light with no questions asked.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 24, 2013 12:44 PM (GEICT)

225 The real problem is they have classified far too much, it actually required the government guys to do real work to design their project so that the core, essential elements that have to be classified are segregated from the vast majority of the work. Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2013 04:44 PM (sTfkB) And who gave bradley or lois or what ever his name is manning or snowden their security clearances? I want some ass! Who is being held responsible?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 12:46 PM (t3UFN)

226
Obama shut WWII veterans out of Washington monuments to force "his" people to feel the pain of governmental shutdown.

The Republicans should, likewise, allow no delays: so that "his" people will feel the pain of keeping government open.

Posted by: Brown Line at October 24, 2013 12:47 PM (WN9m7)

227

there are only two types of wimmins in the world

Those that ride their own motorcycle or those who ride on the back of the motorcycle

boo-ya

Posted by: McBaggy pants at October 24, 2013 12:47 PM (W6iIX)

228 225, bigby, tenser, arganazzar, are on my list

Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2013 12:48 PM (R4WsQ)

229 Nevergiveup, when you hammer the little guys, don't forget to get some of the policy and management asses who created the situation.

Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2013 12:50 PM (R4WsQ)

230 This continued for about 5 years until daughter was riding on the back of FIL's motorcycle and he dumped it. Damn. Being an extremist, when my daughter came of age I printed out for her a very clear concise list of 'dating rules'. Up near the top was that before she was to ever climb on the back of a motorcycle I was to be shown the drivers insurance policy which showed $1,000,000 liability to cover her reconstructive facial surgery. She never did. Funny that. She used to get a call from a boyfriend suitor and say, 'Wait a minute, I have to check my sheet'.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 24, 2013 12:54 PM (U2UQk)

231 Whatever happened to that Obamacare slogan "Health Care Can't Wait!" Remember that one?

Posted by: gp at October 24, 2013 12:56 PM (mk9aG)

232 Well, we fought the good fight on this and lost. No worries, we'll fix it. Starting with that bit about not being able to garnish wages and depending on refunds to take and additional 1% of your income.

Posted by: GOP at October 24, 2013 12:57 PM (j0wOO)

233

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Posted by: For Dummies Publishing at October 24, 2013 12:59 PM (Pr6hk)

234 Nevergiveup, when you hammer the little guys, don't forget to get some of the policy and management asses who created the situation. Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2013 04:50 PM (R4WsQ) Why do you say I am hammering the little guy?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2013 01:00 PM (t3UFN)

235 236 Posted by: SchrÃ¯Â¿Â½dinger's cat at October 24, 2013 04:54 PM (U2UQk)

I didn't even hear about until after the fact. Wifey gave permision for FIL to take her down to Myrtle Beach on the back of his Goldwing one weekend. I was at work.

But hey, in those days it only cost the $50 deductible. BTW, she wasn't hurt at all other than minor scrapes (she was about 13).

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 01:02 PM (zZbNF)

236

And who gave bradley or lois or what ever his name is manning or snowden their security clearances? I want some ass! Who is being held responsible?

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Two of your snot-nose jockeys did a fly-by on my tower at over 400 KNOTS! I want somebody's butt, I want it now, I've HAD IT!

DAMN! That's TWICE! I WANT SOME BUTTS!

Posted by: Air Boss Johnson at October 24, 2013 01:03 PM (/Crba)

237

237Whatever happened to that Obamacare slogan "Health Care Can't Wait!" Remember that one?

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I think we've replaced it with the theme song "Land Of Confusion".

Posted by: Phil Collins at October 24, 2013 01:04 PM (/Crba)

238 Hello fellow Americans, don't forget to pick up our latest publications --- Yeah, I know. Wife is sick today. Throat issue. Strep is 'going around'. She's hurting. So I WebMD strep, prove to her that she has only two of five symptoms. The biggest, and most obvious, spots and fever are absent. She still calls Dr., goes in anyway. They do 'on the spot' test -- not strep. They tell her everything that I told her to do (learned from WebMd) was spot on the money. Out of pocket expense for my WebMd treatment, .02 of salt and .01 of warm water. Electricity to run humidifier probably another .01. Doctors visit probably will be billed at about $200.00. Until someone with a 'white coat' told her she was okay, she felt like shit. Suddenly miraculously better. *shrugs*

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 24, 2013 01:11 PM (U2UQk)

239 I am awed by their bravery. A delay in a penalty for a product you don't want, must purchase and cannot buy online. Awesome!

Manchin slithers through muck.

Posted by: gracepmc at October 24, 2013 01:36 PM (rznx3)

240 242
And who gave bradley or lois or what ever his name is manning or snowden their security clearances? I want some ass! Who is being held responsible?

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Secret Clearance: didn't do weed, lately, aren't a felon. Pretty much the only requirements.

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 01:53 PM (x3YFz)

241 If Zuckerberg doesn't have insurance, does he owe $220,000,000 in penalties? Low cost solution is setting up an Amish church.

Posted by: Goatweed at October 24, 2013 02:16 PM (8HrdX)

242 Make that $22,000,000.

Posted by: Goatweed at October 24, 2013 02:17 PM (8HrdX)

243 Repeal or nothing. That should be Ted Cruz's position and the position of the House.

Repeal or NOTHING

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 24, 2013 04:56 PM (LsJAk)

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