July 08, 2013

Seven Witnesses Identify Screaming Voice as Belonging to George Zimmerman
— Ace

One of the most contested points in the trial is who was heard screaming that night, Zimmerman or Martin. Trayvon's family says it was Trayvon; Zimmerman's family says it was Zimmerman. But Zimmerman has called eight witnesses saying it's his voice.


The defense called a veteran, Joe Donnelly, a friend of Zimmerman's, to testify that it was his friend's voice screaming on the call. He's further asserting that his experience in combat -- he was a combat medic during the Tet Offensive in Vietnam -- make him qualified to know what a man in pain and fear for his life sounds like.

[Updated at 11:35 a.m. ET]

O'Mara [defense lawyer] asked Donnelly to describe his experience as a combat medic in Vietnam. [Bernie] De La Rionda [prosecutor, often called "BLDR" in tweets and short dispatches] objected as to the relevance of the question, and now the attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

[Updated at 11:40 a.m ET]

Donnelly is talking about his experience with his company of soldiers in Vietnam.

[Updated at 11:43 a.m. ET]

O'Mara is asking Donnelly about his duties as a medic in combat. Donnelly said he had to attend to people injured in combat, and appeared to be choking back tears. The attorneys are now at a sidebar with the judge.

[Updated at 11:47 a.m. ET]

"In the midst of combating, there are a lot people yelling and screaming," said Donnelly. "Sometimes they are screaming for help."

[Updated at 11:49 a.m. ET]

Appearing to choke back tears, Donnelly said he did not want to listen to the 911 call with the screams in the background, because it can be "distressing" to hear a friend cry for help. O'Mara is now playing the 911 call with the screams in the background for Donnelly.

[Updated at 11:52 a.m. ET]

Donnelly said he has no doubt in his mind that the person screaming on the 911 call was Zimmerman, and he wishes to God he did not have the ability to understand who was screaming on the 911 call.

Bob Owens (Confederate Yankee) found Donnelly's testimony especially authoritative and moving:


Meanwhile, the Daily Mail admits what is obvious to everyone.

Will George Zimmerman walk? Growing belief Trayvon shooter will escape jail over killing teen as 'prosecution case crumbles'

Experts say prosecutors failed to prove murder 'beyond reasonable doubt'
Ex Sentencing Commission economist: 'It should never have gone to court'
Speculation mounts as defence begin their presentation to court

by Matt Blake

Speculation is growing that George Zimmerman will walk free over the shooting of Trayvon Martin amid claims the prosecution's case has 'crumbled'.

Experts say that lawyers acting on behalf of the State of Miami have failed to show that Zimmerman did not reasonably believe the gunshot was 'necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm' to himself.

Even the media's favorite experts think this is a sham:

ABC News' legal expert Dan Abrams said while parts of Zimmerman's account lack credibility, the prosecution has not done enough to convince a jury.

He wrote: 'Now that the prosecution's case against Zimmerman is in, as a legal matter, it is difficult to see how jurors find proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense'.

He told ABC News: 'I just don't see how a jury convicts him of second degree murder or even manslaughter in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.'

He continued: 'Now no matter how it started, if Zimmerman shot Martin because he reasonably believed it was the only way to protect himself from "great bodily harm" then he is not guilty. That's the law.'

The media's role in this has been shameful. It is obvious now as it was obvious then that this was a racial prosecution, pure and simple, and yet they cheerleaded for it just the same.


Posted by: Ace at 09:36 AM | Comments (477)
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1 They all acted as character wits for him, too.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 09:38 AM (vDjkK)

2 Zimmerman is guilty.

Posted by: Michael Savage Weiner at July 08, 2013 09:39 AM (U8xBW)

3 After the Duke lacrosse case, we figured the odds had to be in our favor on this one.

Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Objectivity at July 08, 2013 09:40 AM (8ZskC)

4 Will some white Tea Partier PLEASE commit a despicable act of violence?  Just once?

Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Objectivity at July 08, 2013 09:41 AM (8ZskC)

5 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 09:42 AM (/PCJa)

6 "Experts say that lawyers acting on behalf of the State of Miami...."



hmmmm?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 08, 2013 09:42 AM (UypUQ)

7 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 09:42 AM (/PCJa)

8 convict we much

Posted by: reverand al at July 08, 2013 09:43 AM (V+Pei)

9 Is "cheerleaded" really a word?

Posted by: cool arrow at July 08, 2013 09:43 AM (WMsq+)

10 Live anywhere near Florida?

Buy ammo and mags.  It's gonna burn if Zimmerman is acquitted.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 09:43 AM (fwARV)

11 Sentence first - verdict afterwards!!!!

Posted by: The Red Queen at July 08, 2013 09:43 AM (Jv4FA)

12 When you have Baroque sticking his nose in this mess, well, go figure why the media has gone along with this circus. This WH wants a racially divided nation.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen should be in charge at July 08, 2013 09:44 AM (baL2B)

13 Is "cheerleaded" really a word?


I have a recurring dream where I get cheerleaded by the entire squad.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 08, 2013 09:44 AM (8ZskC)

14 Miami is it's own state now?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 08, 2013 09:44 AM (YmPwQ)

15 "Experts say that lawyers acting on behalf of the State of Miami...."



hmmmm?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 08, 2013 01:42 PM (UypUQ)


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shhhhhhh.... its one of the fifty-seven

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 09:44 AM (nELVU)

16

ABC News' legal expert Dan Abrams said while parts of Zimmerman's account lack credibility, the prosecution has not done enough to convince a jury.

 

Which parts,  Abrams?  The airtight parts or the completely credible parts?

 

Fuckwit. [spit]

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 08, 2013 09:45 AM (BAS5M)

17 I pity the bus that would hit Corey.  I think a suitable punishment for Rick Scott for appointing that crone would be to perform anal on her and then felch away.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 08, 2013 09:45 AM (cENVl)

18 ABC News' legal expert Dan Abrams said while parts of Zimmerman's account lack credibility, I love how he had to put that in there. "Oh, I don't believe him, but it's the State's fault." This is an important turning point. The Media can either try to prevent, or provoke, racial violence when Zimmerman is pronounced Not Guilty. If they want to prevent violence, they can say things like "The Prosecution's case is very weak. Nothing has come out that materially disproves Zimmerman's statement. As tragic as it is, it may be a relatively clear case of self defense." If they want to provoke violence, they'll say things like what this "expert" said. "Oh, he's lying. We all know he's guilty. But the State is throwing this one to let Whitey off the hook."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 09:45 AM (/PCJa)

19 Experts say that lawyers acting on behalf of the State of Miami ___________ Meh it's a Brit paper. I'll cut them some slack on this.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 08, 2013 09:46 AM (HDgX3)

20 Making it even more incredible is a piece of garbage like Sharpton, with blood on his hands, is baying for it again in this case with the MSNBC crew bringing up the rear behind him.

Posted by: ejo at July 08, 2013 09:46 AM (GXvSO)

21 They'll find out Zimmerman once voted for a Republican.

Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 09:46 AM (GQ8sn)

22 Anyone annoyed that the media gets what it wants in this no matter what happens? Z gets convicted and they get that racially motivated judicial lynching they wanted. He walks and they'll dial the outrage up to 11 and wait for the rioting to start.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at July 08, 2013 09:47 AM (HEa5q)

23 If they want to provoke violence, they'll say things like what this "expert" said. "Oh, he's lying. We all know he's guilty. But the State is throwing this one to let Whitey off the hook."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 01:45 PM (/PCJa)

Yup.  "Zimmerman's guilty as hell - just like Casey Anthony - but the State didn't prove it, so because of some outdated idea of 'innocent until proven guilty,' a murder is going to go free.

You know, this is a nice bridge for them to advocate for a 'guilty until proven innocent' system.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 09:47 AM (fwARV)

24 Making it even more incredible is a piece of garbage like Sharpton, with blood on his hands, is baying for it again in this case with the MSNBC crew bringing up the rear behind him.

Posted by: ejo at July 08, 2013 01:46 PM (GXvSO)


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So.... after this case ...... Sharpton will be 0 and 3...??

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (nELVU)

25 That vet witness was compelling, moving and believable. The prosecutor looked like he was gonna hurl

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (zOTsN)

26 Anyone annoyed that the media gets what it wants in this no matter what happens? Z gets convicted and they get that racially motivated judicial lynching they wanted. He walks and they'll dial the outrage up to 11 and wait for the rioting to start.

Indeed.  There will much settling of scores during the Burning Time.

Posted by: toby928© Creepy assed Crackah at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (codCi)

27 Leave it to me to play Eeyore: It's an all-woman jury. We're sitting back an assessing the evidence rationally; and we can hope that they are doing the same. But I doubt there's a man alive who hasn't tried to reason with a woman and come out the worse for it.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (QXlbZ)

28 So, how soon before Rev Al and Jesse are back in FL tiring to "calm" things down, AKA start the riots.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (wR+pz)

29
We have the Skittles, but we lost the unicorn.

Posted by: BLDR at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (Opo0Q)

30

That creepy ass cracker Zimmerman be a racist maniac.  Jury has to do de right thing.

 

So sayeth Dee Dee and we know she be right.

Posted by: Jesse Sharpton Jackson at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (RZP0w)

31 Experts say that lawyers acting on behalf of the State of Miami State of Miami? One of skeeter's 57?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (i252N)

32 The outright mendacity or, I'll be benevolent, confusion of several defense witness will hurt the prosecution even more than compelling testimony which makes the defense case.
 

Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (GGCsk)

33

This wasn't a trial.  It was an attempted mob lynching.

Posted by: Soona at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (1Sqx0)

34

I suppose the  prosecutor  got tired of having his ass handed   to him by  his own witnesses, because  he's giving  the defense's witnesses a free swing at  his ballsack.

 

During lunch I heard him questioning  his friend's wife (the one who wrote the book about GZ)  about if that was GZ's voice.  She said, yeah, that's Georgie, I know his voice, etc.

 

So then he's questioning  her about the 911  call GZ made  and asked  if GZ sounded angry on the call to which she replied no, he wasn't angry.  So he starts badgering her:

 

"Were you present  that night to witness his state of mind?"

 

"No."

 

"So you're just speculating  as to whether or not he was angry  or not angry."

 


"I guess we BOTH are."

 

That one went right into the upper deck.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 08, 2013 09:48 AM (CJjw5)

35 Dan Abrams: "How can an armed man who shot and killed an unarmed teen after being told by the police that he didn't need to keep following him, likely be found not guilty of those crimes?"

Uh, the point of the trial is to decide whether, in fact, these were crimes. Bias much, Mr. Abrams?

Posted by: cw at July 08, 2013 09:49 AM (T9zRc)

36 I'm such a cynic I still think the best he will get is a hung jury and a retrial. Even if he gets off the Gestapo Feds will try him for civil rights violations. The process is the punishment.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 09:49 AM (mCNwt)

37 Jorge is guilty of acting white.

Posted by: toby928© Creepy assed Crackah at July 08, 2013 09:49 AM (codCi)

38 You know, this is a nice bridge for them to advocate for a 'guilty until proven innocent' system. But only for Whites, or (sometimes) "White Hispanics."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 09:49 AM (/PCJa)

39 . "Zimmerman's guilty as hell - just like Casey Anthony - but the State didn't prove it, so because of some outdated idea of 'innocent until proven guilty,' a murder is going to go free."

I can totally see that happening. 90% of liberal America has its mind made up.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 08, 2013 09:49 AM (QXlbZ)

40 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. Bounce the rubble.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2013 09:50 AM (i252N)

41 "You know, this is a nice bridge for them to advocate for a 'guilty until proven innocent' system." --- Hate to say it but we're almost there anyway.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 09:50 AM (7mQyC)

42 Loved when he said something to the effect of - "I wish I didn't possess the power to tell who a screaming voice belongs to".

Posted by: UWP at July 08, 2013 09:50 AM (r98SZ)

43 Can we please get this trial over so we can watch the looting by the 87% out of wedlock crowd?

Posted by: Santino at July 08, 2013 09:50 AM (3GuQx)

44 If GZ goes free he'll need to move and assume a new identity. The real racists and their MSM propaganda machine will hound him for years.

Posted by: angel with a sword at July 08, 2013 09:50 AM (2y8mE)

45 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
Bounce the rubble.


Plant kudzu.

Posted by: toby928© Creepy assed Crackah at July 08, 2013 09:50 AM (codCi)

46 So you're just speculating as to whether or not he was angry or not angry." "I guess we BOTH are." Man, you need a Los Alamos lab to generate stupidity that radioactive.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 09:51 AM (mCNwt)

47 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. Bounce the rubble. Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2013 01:50 PM (i252N) Then sift it for gold teeth.

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 09:51 AM (XIxXP)

48 court starting up again... lead officer called back by defense

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 09:51 AM (7mQyC)

49 Burn it down.

Scatter the stones.

Salt the earth where it stood.


Bounce the rubble.


Plant kudzu.

Spray for Chiggers

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 09:51 AM (nELVU)

50 Is Bob Owens goofing or does he not realize Angela Corey always looks like she's one tire track away from road kill?

Posted by: Fritz at July 08, 2013 09:51 AM (G9Mmf)

51

The media's role in this has been shameful exactly as persecutorial as Obama wished it to be. It is obvious now as it was obvious then that this was a racial prosecution, pure and simple, and yet they cheerleaded won't give a shit or suffer the tiniest bit of blowback for it just the same.

 

My own cynical take.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2013 09:51 AM (zF6Iw)

52 But I doubt there's a man alive who hasn't tried to reason with a woman and come out the worse for it.

Sexist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hey, do these donuts make me look fat?

Posted by: Ann Althouse at July 08, 2013 09:51 AM (B/VB5)

53 So, how is the defense suppose to get the father's denial in without calling him if the court keeps sustaining objections on hearsay grounds?

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (vDjkK)

54 Watch the trial scene's in "To kill a Mockingbird". We see soon if this jury is as blind and prejudiced as the jury in the movie.

Posted by: deepred at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (rUiSC)

55 Live anywhere near Florida?

Buy ammo and mags. It's gonna burn if Zimmerman is acquitted.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 01:43 PM (fwARV)

 

 

-- Who do you think will most likely start the shit? Serious question

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (R8hU8)

56 @ 49 you live in NC!!!

Posted by: Santino at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (3GuQx)

57 "Angela Corey is in the courtroom. She looks like she's been hit by a bus."

**


We should be so lucky. A more deserved fate would be death by bag-o-dicks.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (jvd3N)

58 Don't worry folks! Can't win 'em all. We'll just go find another white Hispanic. For Trayvon.

Posted by: Angela Corey at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (7lDh5)

59 What channel or network is it on?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (wR+pz)

60 Miami hasn't had a good riot in decades. They're due.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (HDgX3)

61 Dan Abrams was the only person in the Media that said the Duke LAX case was bad and the was on MSNBC if you can believe that.

Posted by: Patrick of Ohio at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (b6koZ)

62 Last question to the vet by the prosecutor was " whose idea was it that you listen to the tape?" Implying it was the defense attorneys. Vet simply replied, " mine". He prolly should've waived cross and claimed it was a PTSD flashback.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (zOTsN)

63 Leave it to me to play Eeyore: It's an all-woman jury. We're sitting back an assessing the evidence rationally; and we can hope that they are doing the same. Granted they're not a representative sample, most (all?) of the 'Ettes seem to agree that he's not guilty. Take that for what it's worth. "So you're just speculating as to whether or not he was angry or not angry." He seriously asked her if Z sounded angry, then declared her answer "speculation" once he got the answer (that he didn't like)? What, it *wouldn't* have been speculation if she'd said, "Yes, he sounds angry?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (/PCJa)

64 Does it even make sense that a man pummelling away on somebody enough so that you break their nose and and also pounding their head into the pavement is going to be screaming? Does it not make more sense that a person on the bottom-presumbaly GZ is the on screaming? This case has been a sham.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2013 09:52 AM (7vPJI)

65 I can totally see that happening. 90% of liberal America has its mind made up

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 08, 2013 01:49 PM (QXlbZ)

And the bitch of it is, those exact same 90% of liberal Americans believe that a murderer going free on a technicality isn't all that bad - just so long as the murderer is the right color.  They even want the convicted murderers going free.  "Free Mumia," anyone?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 09:53 AM (fwARV)

66 Bounce the rubble. Plant kudzu. Spray for Chiggers Mortar the boulders. Spread the caltrops. Mine the swimming pools.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 09:53 AM (mCNwt)

67 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. Bounce the rubble. Plant kudzu. Posted by: toby928© Creepy assed Crackah at July 08, 2013 01:50 PM (codCi) Spray Roundup.

Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 09:53 AM (GQ8sn)

68 Live anywhere near Florida? Buy ammo and mags. It's gonna burn if Zimmerman is acquitted.Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 01:43 PM (fwARV) ______________ Not just Florida. If the shit really hits the fan this will be nation wide.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 08, 2013 09:53 AM (HDgX3)

69 Man, you need a Los Alamos lab to generate stupidity that radioactive.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 01:51 PM (mCNwt

 

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It reminded  me of A Few Good Men where Tom Cruise  and Kevin Pollak are role-playing the  questioning they're going to do of the doctor in the trial:

 

Q:  "Did you witness any signs of  violence at the scene?"

 

A:  "You mean, besides the dead body?"

 

Q:  "DAMNIT!  I walk into that one every time."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 08, 2013 09:53 AM (CJjw5)

70 Buy ammo and mags. It's gonna burn if Zimmerman is acquitted.Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 01:43 PM (fwARV) So you're saying that it's going to be a "target rich environment"? Looks like the Castle Doctrine is about to get a serious workout.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 08, 2013 09:54 AM (7lDh5)

71 Spray for Chiggers

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 01:51 PM (nELVU)

 

 

Ban hammer coming down/

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 08, 2013 09:54 AM (R8hU8)

72

Previously  I brought up the fact that   If  I were in Zimmerman's shoes I would have also  shot my attacker.   And though I probably would not have been indicted in Texas,  I definitely would not want to take that chance and it made me think  a  less lethal solution would have been preferrable.    This weekend I got me a nice stun gun as first defense against an unarmed person .   I will escalate as needed.   

 

I don't want to spend thousands defending myself from discharging my  weapon whether I'm  found to be in the right or not.   Even  simply retaining a lawyer after an incident that immediately goes away will cost  money.  

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 09:54 AM (m2CN7)

73 what am i missing.....a ghey group is upset at the "ender's game" movie? why?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 08, 2013 09:54 AM (8JJ6O)

74 Listen I live in Houston and I will not be going downtown when this verdict is announced.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 09:54 AM (zOTsN)

75 Hey, do these donuts make me look fat?

 

Posted by: Ann Althouse at July 08, 2013 01:51 PM (B/VB5)

 

Not at all.  It's your ass that makes you look fat.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2013 09:54 AM (zF6Iw)

76 O/T  Break out the flaming skull.  The feds have declined to investigate Corzine further and dropped all potential charges.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (cENVl)

77 -- Who do you think will most likely start the shit? Serious question Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 08, 2013 01:52 PM (R8hU Ghetto yutes, looters and opportunists. Possibly followed by random acts by roving mobs of a half dozen more or less.

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (XIxXP)

78 60 Miami hasn't had a good riot in decades. They're due. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 08, 2013 01:52 PM (HDgX3) Sort of like a wildfire. It burns out the dead shit. I don't think the rioters will get near Little Havana. The White Hispanic is going to be a hero.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (wR+pz)

79

54Watch the trial scene'sin "To kill a Mockingbird". We see soon if this jury is as blind and prejudiced as the jury in the movie.

 

I was thinking this morning that its the media that comprises the racist jury. I can see Candy snarling right now.

Posted by: Dats Retarded at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (oDCMR)

80 67 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. Bounce the rubble. Plant kudzu. Posted by: toby928© Creepy assed Crackah at July 08, 2013 01:50 PM (codCi) Spray Roundup. Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 01:53 PM (GQ8sn) africanize the bees

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (8JJ6O)

81 You know, this is a nice bridge for them to advocate for a 'guilty until proven innocent' system.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 01:47 PM (fwARV)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

It's not the facts or the evidence, it's the seriousness of the charge.  This meme started  some time ago by the leftists in congress. 

Posted by: Soona at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (1Sqx0)

82 Billy Bob
Legal Insurrection has a live feed

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (epiOF)

83 Was the Angela Corey indictment covered here?

Posted by: Duh! at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (Zs83Q)

84 Ban hammer coming down/

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 08, 2013 01:54 PM (R8hU

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For.What?

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (nELVU)

85 "What channel or network is it on?" --- Would you like a web link for live video?? http://tinyurl.com/lpncexh

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (7mQyC)

86 Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 08, 2013 01:54 PM (8JJ6O)

Orson Scott Card, the author of the novels is not ghey-friendly.

Posted by: GMan at July 08, 2013 09:55 AM (sxq57)

87 Buy ammo and mags. It's gonna burn if Zimmerman is acquitted.Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 01:43 PM (fwARV) -- Who do you think will most likely start the shit? Serious question Bullets addressed to "To whom it may concern"?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2013 09:56 AM (i252N)

88

Burn it down.

Scatter the stones.

Salt the earth where it stood.


Bounce the rubble.


Plant kudzu.

Posted by: toby928© Creepy assed Crackah at July 08, 2013 01:50 PM (codCi)


Spray Roundup.

Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 01:53 PM (GQ8sn)

 

Rock and roll all night.

 

And party every day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2013 09:56 AM (zF6Iw)

89 Bounce the rubble. Plant kudzu. Spray for Chiggers Mortar the boulders. Spread the caltrops. Mine the swimming pools. Free the Blind Mice!

Posted by: Adriane ... at July 08, 2013 09:56 AM (Jv4FA)

90

what am i missing.....a ghey group is upset at the "ender's game" movie? why?

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Probably collatoral damage.  From what I've been hearing, a lot of gays are upset because the liberal Orson Scott Card won't buck his religious beliefs by coming out against the LDS Church's stance on same sex marriage.

 

Posted by: junior at July 08, 2013 09:56 AM (UWFpX)

91

"Angela Corey is in the courtroom. She looks like she's been hit by a bus..."

 

 

 

 

BUS, BULLDOZER, AT THIS POINT, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!!!

Posted by: Rachel Corrie with a flat affect at July 08, 2013 09:56 AM (PLOz8)

92 "Legal Insurrection has a live feed" --- Yeah that's the one I just linked, I suggest the second one on that page "without commentary" feed

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 09:56 AM (7mQyC)

93 Orson Scott Card, the author of the novels is not ghey-friendly. I wouldn't be surprised if several of the gay epithets in the book remained in the movie, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 09:57 AM (/PCJa)

94 gman ah......i couldn't think of anything in the book that would make them hate the movie....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 08, 2013 09:57 AM (8JJ6O)

95 Rock and roll all night. And party every day. Shout it. Shout it. Shout it out loud.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 08, 2013 09:57 AM (7lDh5)

96 71 Spray for Chiggers
Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 01:51 PM (nELVU)


Ban hammer coming down/

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 08, 2013 01:54 PM (R8hU


Why? These are real "red bugs" that bite you in your tender areas and itch like nothing else on earth other than poison ivy.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen should be in charge at July 08, 2013 09:57 AM (baL2B)

97 Who do you think will most likely start the shit? Serious question

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 08, 2013 01:52 PM (R8hU

I think it'll be like the Rodney King riots.  They'll pop up 'spontaneously' in various locations and merge with each other.

My money is on Sharpton or the Farrakhan fueling the sermons that Sunday.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 09:57 AM (fwARV)

98

Buy ammo and mags. It's gonna burn if Zimmerman is acquitted.Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 01:43 PM (fwARV)

 

Good news on the ammo front in Houston.   I was able to locate ammo at a number of stores on the weekend.   They still limit the number of boxes you can buy but that's definitely an improvement.   I was able to get a sufficient amount of .22lr  through a couple of 'strawman' purchases  to avoid the limit.   Pikers. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 09:57 AM (m2CN7)

99 what am i missing.....a ghey group is upset at the "ender's game" movie? why? A couple of reasons... Orson Scott Card, the author of the book, is a democrat but I think may have come out against gay marriage. He's also said some other non-liberal things. Second, one of the characters in the book kisses Ender on the cheek in a gay way. This scene may have been taken out and the gays just found out about it.

Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 09:57 AM (GQ8sn)

100 When the prosecution cross examined Joe Donnelly, they played the 911 tape. The dispatcher asks Zimmerman if the guy was white, black or Hispanic. The prosecution stops tape. "Do you recognize at least one of the voices on the tape?", they asked Donnely. Yes, he answered. Start tape: "HE LOOKS BLACK"

Too cute by half, prosecutors.

Posted by: Craig Poe at July 08, 2013 09:57 AM (BVkEs)

101 Zimmerman is just a fat, wane be cop and wannabe white guy. St. Trayvon was dissed and had to defend his manhood. Who wouldn't relish the chance to beat up a creepy assed cracka? Next time, Trayvon acolytes should try to be sure that the guy isn't packing heat. That's not fair. Zimmerman should have taken his beating but he's too much of a coward.  

Posted by: Mojo Rising at July 08, 2013 09:58 AM (YmPwQ)

102 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. Bounce the rubble. Plant kudzu. Posted by: toby928© Creepy assed Crackah at July 08, 2013 01:50 PM (codCi) Spray Roundup. Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 01:53 PM (GQ8sn) Release the Hounds??

Posted by: dananjcon at July 08, 2013 09:58 AM (jvd3N)

103
Notice that both the Daily Mail and ABC stories proceed under the assumption that Zim is a racist murderer, and that acquittal in this case doesn't mean "innocent", but that the prosecution fucked up the case.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 08, 2013 09:58 AM (TIIx5)

104 73 what am i missing.....a ghey group is upset at the "ender's game" movie? why?
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 08, 2013 01:54 PM (8JJ6O)
Because the author doesn't believe in same sex marriage.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 08, 2013 09:58 AM (U8xBW)

105 "First 48" - Miami will be interesting next season.

Posted by: UWP at July 08, 2013 09:58 AM (r98SZ)

106 I can't buy ammo or mags. I live in a deep blue state

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2013 09:58 AM (7vPJI)

107 @82 Thanks. Listening to CNN and HLN commentators heads explode!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 09:59 AM (wR+pz)

108 Crazy long sidebar underway finally finishing. I suppose the state doesn't like the defense calling the states own witness that back fired so badly last time around. haha

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 09:59 AM (7mQyC)

109 Is 101 sarc?

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 09:59 AM (zOTsN)

110 Clean up on aisle 101 The stupid is strong in this one.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 08, 2013 09:59 AM (7lDh5)

111 Is 101 sarc? Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 01:59 PM (zOTsN) I'm thinkin troll.

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 09:59 AM (XIxXP)

112

This has always been about the civil suit anyway.

 

Posted by: Cluebat formerly from Exodar at July 08, 2013 09:59 AM (BuYeH)

113 O/T Break out the flaming skull. The feds have declined to investigate Corzine further and dropped all potential charges.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 08, 2013 01:55 PM (cENVl)

**


Jonny knows where ALL the bodies are buried and his nephew work for the NSA.



Posted by: dananjcon at July 08, 2013 09:59 AM (jvd3N)

114 africanize the bees

OH, NO! NOT THE BEES! NOT THE BEES! AAAAAHHHHH!

Posted by: Edward Malus at July 08, 2013 10:00 AM (codCi)

115 i couldn't think of anything in the book that would make them hate the movie.... There are lots of veiled (and sometimes not so veiled) references in the book. It is strongly implied that the boys (and few girls) in the Battle School are definitely not down with the LGBTWXYZ lifestyle. Second, one of the characters in the book kisses Ender on the cheek in a gay way. This scene may have been taken out and the gays just found out about it. If they have tried to make the relationship between Ali and Ender into a gay one, I may have to go Postal on somebody.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:00 AM (/PCJa)

116 Welcome to the Dark Side, ace.  No tribalism here--just Plain Speakin'


this trial is part kabuki, part sick ludicrous farce, and mostly PC bullsh*t by Creepy-Assed Crackers sh*tting their pants over the fear of riots.

Posted by: Mimi from the State of Miami at July 08, 2013 10:00 AM (omBWL)

117

Not just Florida. If the shit really hits the fan this will be nation wide.

...............................................

 

I live pretty much in the middle of nowhere so I highly doubt I have anything to worry about. Unless of course football training camp has started at that point, the university tends to do a lot of recruiting from "the state of Miami". Ehh even then I doubt anyone around here cares. I'm leaving the country on Sunday for a few weeks so hopefully it's wrapped up and forgotten by the time I get back in a few weeks.

Posted by: Molly k. at July 08, 2013 10:00 AM (5D7FQ)

118 Because the author doesn't believe in same sex marriage. In order to be a full and functioning member of society you must buy your KY in 55 gallon drums.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 08, 2013 10:00 AM (7lDh5)

119 Erg's got nuthin'.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 08, 2013 10:00 AM (codCi)

120 Clean up on aisle 101


St Trayvon?  Creepy assed cracka?

You guys have a malfunction in your sarc meters this morning?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 08, 2013 10:01 AM (8ZskC)

121 112 - Probably why the sister in law is holding the money from the book for zim in her own accounts, smart cookie.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:01 AM (7mQyC)

122

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 01:55 PM (nELVU)

 

 

Just sarcasm////

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 08, 2013 10:01 AM (R8hU8)

123 I'm thinking sockpuppet.

Posted by: Mojo Rising at July 08, 2013 10:01 AM (YmPwQ)

124 If they have tried to make the relationship between Ali and Ender into a gay one, I may have to go Postal on somebody.

Yeah, if that was meant to be a homosexual thing in the book, I totally misread it.

Posted by: GMan at July 08, 2013 10:01 AM (sxq57)

125 In order to be a full and functioning member of society you must buy your KY in 55 gallon drums.

How is that not a Sandra Fluke sock?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 08, 2013 10:01 AM (codCi)

126 106 I can't buy ammo or mags. I live in a deep blue state Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2013 01:58 PM (7vPJI) Gasoline and a super soaker.

Posted by: RWC at July 08, 2013 10:01 AM (fWAjv)

127 Release the Hounds?? Deploy the E-meters. Explode the engrams. Imminentize the Eschaton.

Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard at July 08, 2013 10:01 AM (mCNwt)

128 "Angela Corey is in the courtroom. She looks like she's been hit by a bus..." Hung over is no way to go thru life. - Dean Wormer

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2013 10:01 AM (i252N)

129
>>>I don't want to spend thousands defending myself<<<

I don't want to spend thousands burying myself

Posted by: Zombie Logic at July 08, 2013 10:02 AM (Opo0Q)

130 This testimony means nothing. troyriser is the only source of evidence AND "top-notch" analysis of this case. I'm surprised that he's not a legal analyst on MSNBC who regularly appears on Rachel Maddow's show.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 10:02 AM (LTbLf)

131 101 is being sarcastic.   Check you meters.  I think there  may have been a power surge  to get all of you. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 10:02 AM (m2CN7)

132 Just sarcasm////

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 08, 2013 02:01 PM (R8hU


----


**slides Velvet a Diet Dr Pepper**


It's cool.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 10:02 AM (nELVU)

133 In order to be a full and functioning member of society you must buy your KY in 55 gallon drums.

We've gone from "stay out of my bedroom" to "tickets to my bedroom's studio audience are available for free, and if you turn them down you're a h8er".

Posted by: Ian S. at July 08, 2013 10:02 AM (B/VB5)

134 If they have tried to make the relationship between Ali and Ender into a gay one, I may have to go Postal on somebody. It's Hollywood. Do you have to ask?

Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 10:02 AM (GQ8sn)

135 Sometimes TBH3K is too damn quick. :-(

Posted by: RWC at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (fWAjv)

136 For more than a decade now, I have felt like I somehow slipped into an alternate reality. If you are a big Demonrat donor there is no crime too foul for the MSM to blithely ignore. If you defend yourself against a Black 'ute who is beating your head in and they don't figure out in time that you are also a person with minority roots, well then you gonna get lynched. And as they say, et cetera, et cetera, and some more et cetera.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (6fg3O)

137 Zimm as a 'wannabe White';  Heh.  You on acid, man?

Posted by: Mimi from the State of Miami at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (omBWL)

138

>>>I don't want to spend thousands defending myself<<<

I don't want to spend thousands burying myself

Posted by: Zombie Logic at July 08, 2013 02:02 PM (Opo0Q)

Judged by 12
Carried by 6

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (fwARV)

139 I don't want to spend thousands defending myself Shoot someone with a Taser, and you'll likely have to spend thousands defending yourself anyway. Law Enforcement (which is not the same as "The Law") is not on your side in Self Defense cases.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (/PCJa)

140 *loads weapons*

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (V1ZIU)

141 I don't want to spend thousands defending myself<<<

I don't want to spend thousands burying myself

Posted by: Zombie Logic at July 08, 2013 02:02 PM (Opo0Q)

 

Its not an either or.   Not every fight needs to end with a gun shot.   

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (m2CN7)

142 Dude that's why I asked.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (zOTsN)

143 How is that not a Sandra Fluke sock? My bad!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (7lDh5)

144 Though I have seen comments out there that pretty much mirror what I wrote, for real.

Posted by: Mojo Rising at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (YmPwQ)

145 Disperse the bric-a-brac. Divide the Hummels. Demolish the Fingerhut.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 10:03 AM (mCNwt)

146 SF fire chief admitted that one of the dead girls in the crash was probably hit by  an emergency vehicle.

Posted by: Soona at July 08, 2013 10:04 AM (1Sqx0)

147 Shoot someone with a Taser, and you'll likely have to spend thousands defending yourself anyway. Law Enforcement (which is not the same as "The Law") is not on your side in Self Defense cases.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 02:03 PM (/PCJa)

 

No. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 10:04 AM (m2CN7)

148 Yeah, if that was meant to be a homosexual thing in the book, I totally misread it.

 

Posted by: GMan at July 08, 2013 02:01 PM (sxq57)

 

----------------------------

 

The first time Ender  hits back against a bully at the Battle School is when he creates a dummy account under  Bernard's name  to email everyone in his group that he's checking out some kid's  butt  and wants to kiss it.

 

Ender is completely sexless,  but if he was ever going to have a relationship, it would have been  with Petra.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 08, 2013 10:04 AM (CJjw5)

149 Lead investigator says father of St. TrayTray said it was not his son calling for help after being played the tape a day or so after the event.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:04 AM (7mQyC)

150 Over/under on rioting death count?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 08, 2013 10:05 AM (wtvvX)

151 SF fire chief admitted that one of the dead girls in the crash was probably hit by an emergency vehicle. "Well, your loved one survived the plane crash..." "Oh, we're so relieved!" "Yeah... shame about the fire engine, really."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:05 AM (/PCJa)

152 I want a green jello salad launcher

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:05 AM (zOTsN)

153 Over/under on rioting death count? Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 08, 2013 02:05 PM (wtvvX) I'll take 142.

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 10:05 AM (XIxXP)

154 I think President Obama should declare this circus over and just put that Zimmerman guy in jail. After all he is a proven racist and that's enough to put him in jail for offense a gainst a person of color by a person of non-color.

Posted by: LaQuisha Largess at July 08, 2013 10:05 AM (HlUFk)

155 You guys have a malfunction in your sarc meters this morning? If you gotta explain the sock, it's not a good sock. Jus' sayin'

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 08, 2013 10:06 AM (7lDh5)

156 Angela Corey looks like that guy I didn't f*ck in high school because he was mucho ugly and smelled bad.  Actually, she makes him look handsome...

Posted by: Mimi from the State of Miami at July 08, 2013 10:06 AM (omBWL)

157 Let's not lose sight of the real issue of compassion here: How will Voltron's family cash in on this fraud?

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 10:06 AM (mCNwt)

158 Ender is completely sexless, but if he was ever going to have a relationship, it would have been with Petra. She ended up with Bean didn't she?

Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 10:06 AM (GQ8sn)

159 Posted by: LaQuisha Largess at July 08, 2013 02:05 PM (HlUFk) Sometimes these are funny. This one was just weak. I give it 1 star.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:06 AM (/PCJa)

160 Over/under on rioting death count? 42

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 08, 2013 10:06 AM (7lDh5)

161 It was pretty good. On the money.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:06 AM (zOTsN)

162 Over/under on rioting death count?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 08, 2013 02:05 PM (wtvvX)

Fifty.  I'll take the under.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 10:06 AM (fwARV)

163 Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 2m #zimmermantrial Serino: "He [Tracey Martin] looked away, and under his breath said, no [not Trayvon]."http://lawofselfdefense.com

Posted by: Ma Bell at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (RLdcX)

164 157 Let's not lose sight of the real issue of compassion here: How will Voltron's family cash in on this fraud? They already have. Apt insurance company paid them a mill.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (wR+pz)

165 127Release the Hounds??

Deploy the E-meters.

Explode the engrams.

Imminentize the Eschaton.

Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard at July 08, 2013 02:01 PM (mCNwt)

Release the flies.

Posted by: Oderus Urungus at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (WfK3L)

166 You need to change the AoS style book and refer to Zimmerman as Insty does, "who is blacker than Homer Plessy."

In the end, this was--technically--an incident of black-on-black violence. At least to the "one drop" crowd that currently runs the racial grievance industry, when it is convenient, that is.  

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (VjL9S)

167 Anyone who fails to refer to Angela "Ursula the Sea Witch" Corey by that full name, is seriously slacking off.

Posted by: grognard at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (/29Nl)

168 If you get sucked out of an airplane and then run over by the ambulance trying to save you ... then your time was just up. If you somehow had survived the crash, the being sucked out of the plane, and the being run over by an ambulance ... no doubt next would have been lightning, a small meteor landing on your head, and possibly a landshark.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (ZPrif)

169 I want a green jello salad launcher A six-inch PVC sewer pipe with fittings and some Gumout for primer should do the trick. Essential urban artillery.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (mCNwt)

170

"Angela Corey is in the courtroom. She looks like she's been hit by a bus."

 

She always looks like that. Hit by a bus and maybe a couple of ugly-sticks.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (w41GQ)

171 #159

Not enough pseudo-unintentional misspellings, for one.

Posted by: RiverC, White Chocolate Emancipator at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (El+h4)

172 Hey LIVs? We all know you are dumber than a bag of dicks, but you really should've paid attention to, you know, all those stories about gun sales going through the roof for the last five or six years. You goan riot? You goan die.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (V1ZIU)

173 We need trial commentary from Ms Jeantel, but she don't read new times roman

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:07 AM (zOTsN)

174

Thought the 'rons would have caught the "rising" clue. :shrugs:

Oh, well.

Posted by: Mojo Rising at July 08, 2013 10:08 AM (YmPwQ)

175 150 Over/under on rioting death count?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 08, 2013 02:05 PM (wtvvX)

I think a more difficult task will be to determine which cities will have riots. Will it just be contained to Florida? Or will the rioting take place various major cities in the rest of the country, and, if yes, which ones?

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 10:08 AM (LTbLf)

176 She ended up with Bean didn't she? I think in some of the later "Shadow of..." books she might have. I didn't read those, though. In Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, and Xenocide you never even hear about the kids from Battle School again after Ender's Game. I think there may be some references made in Xenocide (been a while since I read it), but if so they're kind of oblique.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:08 AM (/PCJa)

177 Fifty. I'll take the under. Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 02:06 PM (fwARV) I'll take the over. The media didn't juice the Rodney king riots like they did this, the will be bad and nationwide.

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 10:08 AM (XIxXP)

178 >>>>>If I were in Zimmerman's shoes I would have also shot my attacker.And though I probably would not have been indicted in Texas, I definitely would not want to take that chance and it made me think a less lethal solution would have been preferrable.<<<<

Shitty batteries were the problem. If you watch the re-enactment Z did with the cops the next day, he mentions that he had his flashlight with him but it wasn't working. If he had a decent maglight he would have shined it toward the back yards and probably spotted T before he could close with him. Give him a face full of halogen light and a bip on the forehead if he charges you and the situation is de-escalated without a dead body.

Also, for all you people saying FL is going to "burn" I can only assume you have never lived here. Do you remember the old fart blazing away in the internet cafe at the would be robbers? That is FL. We don't shoot back-We shoot first.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at July 08, 2013 10:08 AM (Nl4r1)

179 Let's not lose sight of the real issue of compassion here: How will Voltron's family cash in on this fraud? They already have. Apt insurance company paid them a mill. They ought to sue the insurance company for racism. Only a million? But Voltron could have been the next George Washington Carver!

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 10:08 AM (mCNwt)

180 #179

Clubber, not Carver. he had a cane, not a knife.

Posted by: RiverC, White Chocolate Emancipator at July 08, 2013 10:09 AM (El+h4)

181

They saw their favorite drama unfolding again: innocent black man killed by evil white man in the south.  They could show their moral superiority while attacking their hated red-neck enemies.  It was too good to be true.

 

And like everything too good to be true, it was.

Rubes.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 08, 2013 10:10 AM (hLRSq)

182 The DA's line of questioning is off the charts. The father did not go home and realize his son was shot. He came home. Realized he wasn't there. Turned his phone off and jumped into the sack with his girlfriend.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 10:10 AM (vDjkK)

183 When does the prosecutor just take the witness stand and testify? Holy Moly.

Posted by: spypeach at July 08, 2013 10:10 AM (0n1+D)

184 This is the Obama times...the typical would-be rioter is content just to watch any upheaval from the safety of his tax-payer-funded co-op in Boca. I put the over/under at 19.


 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 08, 2013 10:10 AM (jvd3N)

185 I'll take the over. The media didn't juice the Rodney king riots like they did this, the will be bad and nationwide.

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 02:08 PM (XIxXP)

You might be right.  That's a huge variable.

Well...  I'm armed.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 10:10 AM (fwARV)

186 168 If you get sucked out of an airplane and then run over by the ambulance trying to save you ... then your time was just up.

If you somehow had survived the crash, the being sucked out of the plane, and the being run over by an ambulance ... no doubt next would have been lightning, a small meteor landing on your head, and possibly a landshark.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 08, 2013 02:07 PM (ZPrif)

It's like the plot for one of those "Final Destination" movies. You cheat death and it comes back to get you. I can't imagine how upset and pissed off the person's family must be about this.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 10:10 AM (LTbLf)

187
>>>Not every fight needs to end with a gun shot.<<<

You are not in charge of that decision.

Posted by: Zombie Logic at July 08, 2013 10:10 AM (Opo0Q)

188

Over/under on rioting death count?

 

You need to specify skin color first.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2013 10:11 AM (zF6Iw)

189 You see it was an emotional moment so maybe the dad might have been wrong and confused right right right... ah but you see the other victim GZ gets no such quarter from the state during his own questioning. sounds fair right?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:11 AM (7mQyC)

190

Hey, what does some Vietnam combat medic know about screaming anyway?!

He's probably a Tea Party kook with a gun!!!

Justice for Trayvon!

Posted by: Jay in PA at July 08, 2013 10:11 AM (3LaGb)

191 Over/under on rioting death count? Maybe not too many deaths, but the damage to the towns and cities may reach into the billions. But you know what??? STIMULUS!!!!

Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 10:12 AM (GQ8sn)

192 We don't shoot back-We shoot first.

Words to live by, in all senses.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 08, 2013 10:12 AM (codCi)

193 Wonder how an acquittal will be viewed in little Havana? Certain constituantcys may find themselves at odds.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:12 AM (zOTsN)

194 Is there any evidence getting run over by the ambulance was the cause of death? I'm guessing getting violently sucked out of an airplane and bounced along the runway is suboptimal for human health.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 08, 2013 10:12 AM (ZPrif)

195 No way Zimmerman gets convicted of 2nd degree murder.

MSM/Liberals should be careful what they wish for, blacks rioting across the country and burning shit down is not going to be good for the Democrat Party and Obama.

Posted by: McAdams at July 08, 2013 10:12 AM (U1vqe)

196 "It's like the plot for one of those "Final Destination" movies. " --- haha I thought the same when I heard that this morning, wow that's one unlucky person, almost like he was supposed to die in the crash and fate had to correct itself.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:12 AM (7mQyC)

197 You see it was an emotional moment so maybe the dad might have been wrong and confused right right right... I'm still chuckling over the DA asking a witness for a speculative answer, and then getting testy because she (he?) didn't speculate the way the DA wanted.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:12 AM (/PCJa)

198 Not every fight needs to end with a gun shot.<<<

You are not in charge of that decision.

Posted by: Zombie Logic at July 08, 2013 02:10 PM (Opo0Q)

 

I take it you  haven't been in many fights. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 10:12 AM (m2CN7)

199 How do you misinterpret "No" said in a quiet room?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 08, 2013 10:12 AM (UypUQ)

200 Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 3m #zimmermantrial BDLR going all operatic. "His son was dead! Dead! DEAD! DEADDEADDEAD!!!" http://lawofselfdefense.com

Posted by: Ma Bell at July 08, 2013 10:13 AM (RLdcX)

201

I'll be waiting for the verdict.  I could have sworn OJ was guilty until the jury said I was full of shit.

Posted by: Soona at July 08, 2013 10:13 AM (1Sqx0)

202 Prosecuter is frustrated. His voice is hopping around.

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 10:13 AM (XIxXP)

203 Over/under on rioting death count? 63. Not counting those run over by emergency vehicles.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2013 10:13 AM (i252N)

204 Just think of Zimmerman as an egg, and Obama's reelection as a super-scrumptious omelette being whipped up by the celebrity chefs of the MFM. Obama - mmmm, mmmm, mmmm. American justice - oops.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 08, 2013 10:13 AM (qIFL7)

205 I take it you haven't been in many fights. Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 02:12 PM (m2CN7) Word.

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 10:13 AM (XIxXP)

206 No conviction. No rioting. Unless you need a new TV, or some beer.

And isn't it lawful to shoot looters on site?

Posted by: Craig Poe at July 08, 2013 10:13 AM (BVkEs)

207 193 Wonder how an acquittal will be viewed in little Havana? I mentioned that earlier. No brother is going to be rioting in LH for very long.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:14 AM (wR+pz)

208 If Barack Obama was a State Prosecutor (heh, if he was that competent a lawyer), he would be a lot like Corey. This is the same problem with a lot of Prosecutors; they want scalps for political purposes, and sometimes they can really pervert the justice system. There is a big difference between and energetic and vigorous prosecutor, and a prosecutor that wants scalps. And if you think it is bad here, in many other legal systems, you are presumed guilty when accused, and treated as such.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at July 08, 2013 10:14 AM (RFeQD)

209 And isn't it lawful to shoot looters on site? Indeed. And, in many jurisdictions (as law is enforced, if not written) on sight, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:14 AM (/PCJa)

210 And isn't it lawful to shoot looters on site?

Posted by: Craig Poe at July 08, 2013 02:13 PM (BVkEs)

They weren't looters.  They were poor yutes who were just trying to make better lives for themselves by taking your shit.

Racist.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 10:14 AM (fwARV)

211 And isn't it lawful to shoot looters on site?


Only if they don't tow the line.

Posted by: The AoSHQ House Pedant at July 08, 2013 10:15 AM (8ZskC)

212 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. Hmmmm....I like the way you think. You should think about starting a blog.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 08, 2013 10:15 AM (jopHG)

213 "How do you misinterpret "No" said in a quiet room?" --- According to the state that is grief denial about that death.. not the question asked. /eyeroll

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:15 AM (7mQyC)

214
>>>I take it you haven't been in many fights.<<<

I take it that you have the ability to predict the end result of the violent encounters you have with strangers.

Posted by: Zombie Logic at July 08, 2013 10:15 AM (Opo0Q)

215 This testimony means nothing. troyriser is the only source of evidence AND "top-notch" analysis of this case. I'm surprised that he's not a legal analyst on MSNBC who regularly appears on Rachel Maddow's show.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 02:02 PM (LTbLf)

 

You can't hold me responsible for your own deep-seated insecurities and sense of inferiority, Slappy--unless, of course, you're about 30 years old and your mother was a stripper in Fayetteville, NC. What can I say? We were just two careless kids caught up in the whirling kaleidoscope of passion, drama and big hair that was the Eighties. Mistakes happen, clearly.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 10:15 AM (vtiE6)

216  Is there any evidence getting run over by the ambulance was the cause of death? I'm guessing getting violently sucked out of an airplane and bounced along the runway is suboptimal for human health.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 08, 2013 02:12 PM (ZPrif)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

Please try to keep up and observe.  The fuselage remained intact during the whole crash.

Posted by: Soona at July 08, 2013 10:15 AM (1Sqx0)

217 Wow, watching David Brooks confirms me in the suspicions I had. He looks the Beta-est of Betamales that ever could exist in that fatuous scale of masculinity. He is a farce of a fable of manhood; a fey wisp of a beardless prancing eunuch.

That's not to even begin to talk about his feartwitching.

Posted by: RiverC, White Chocolate Emancipator at July 08, 2013 10:16 AM (El+h4)

218 And isn't it lawful to shoot looters on site? Generally you don't have to kill em. Sent one zipping past their heads, They usually move on.

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 10:16 AM (XIxXP)

219 I googled "Angela Corey", and the first couple of hits are about "news" stories that she has been indicted by a "citizens' grand jury" for prosecutorial misconduct.

Oh that this could truly occur...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 08, 2013 10:16 AM (wtvvX)

220 Over/under on rioting death count?

I think any attempts at riots are likely to largely be a fizzle.  Many "notorious" black areas in major cities have become majority Hispanic and/or are surrounded by majority Hispanic areas since Rodney King happened.  Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre wouldn't recognize today's Compton (over 60% Hispanic), for instance, and any blacks who tried to start a riot there would likely be shot for their trouble.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 08, 2013 10:16 AM (B/VB5)

221 The fuselage remained intact during the whole crash.

The tail fell off.  How far back do the seats go?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 08, 2013 10:16 AM (codCi)

222 Gov. Perry not seeking re-election as Governor of Texas.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen should be in charge at July 08, 2013 10:17 AM (baL2B)

223 The tail hit the sea wall and broke off. The girls were thrown from the plane. They must have been sitting in the back row.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:17 AM (zOTsN)

224 Please try to keep up and observe. The fuselage remained intact during the whole crash. Posted by: Soona at July 08, 2013 02:15 PM (1Sqx0) It has been reported that after the tail broke off some people jumped out of that hole.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:17 AM (wR+pz)

225 Gov. Perry not seeking re-election as Governor of Texas. Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen should be in charge at July 08, 2013 02:17 PM (baL2B) Who did he support?

Posted by: Detroit. at July 08, 2013 10:18 AM (XIxXP)

226 Oh, little Ms. Corey will get Zimmerman--and his wife--on the bail perjury charge. Because in 21st century America, once political elites send a common man to the gladiator arena because politics demands it, it's only a matter of when, not if, you die.

Posted by: T. at July 08, 2013 10:19 AM (KwX4y)

227 That poor man. This whole trial would be a farce if it weren't so deadly serious.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 08, 2013 10:19 AM (VtjlW)

228 Detroit MFKn sock

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 10:19 AM (XIxXP)

229 220 Ian S,

There's also the very real possibility that it would be an opportunity for community outreach for LE to the Hispanic communities that would siffer from black rioting.

I would prefer everyone act sanely, but failing that I would prefer we aid the majority of the nation getting past grievance culture.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 08, 2013 10:19 AM (LRFds)

230 I see a lotta y'all criticizin' (burp) the phrase "the State of Miami". I'll slap the shit out of you if I (burp) keep hearin' it. Shut your trap and pass the (burp) Scotch.

Posted by: Coach Howard Schnellenberger (burp) at July 08, 2013 10:19 AM (6KiQ+)

231 There is no way Zimmerman is guilty of second degree murder. Having said that, I don't think there is anyway he avoids getting convicted. That jury is not going to accept responsibility for riots and civil unrest if he is acquitted. Zimmerman gets convicted on that basis.

Posted by: Taco Shack at July 08, 2013 10:19 AM (C+qQ0)

232 147 Shoot someone with a Taser, and you'll likely have to spend thousands defending yourself anyway. Law Enforcement (which is not the same as "The Law") is not on your side in Self Defense cases.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 02:03 PM (/PCJa)

Word, bro.

Posted by: Bernard Goetz at July 08, 2013 10:19 AM (1Rgee)

233 This has all been crafted in the media to be another Travesty of Justice® to keep racial hatred alive and well in this country. People are going to die because of the lies the media has spread. The prosecution's case was never up to murder standard and was weak for manslaughter. But because of all of the one sided reporting, the white-washing of the images of Zimmerman, the stage has been set to once again "prove" that a black man can't get justice in "white" America as a "white" man walks for the "obvious murder" of a black man. This injustice then used to drive violence against the American system, and against white people.

People are going to die, and the media doesn't care, because it's more important to keep black communities hating the imagined "White America" boogeyman than to look around at what "Progressive America" has done to them. I cannot imagine an earthly justice capable of atonement for such cold calculating malice. It makes the eggs/omelet discussion of Stalin look absolutely compassionate in comparison. It is evil, and those that participate in it are evil and are due no respect, consideration, or quarter.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 10:19 AM (0q2P7)

234 I have confidence in the jury.  Jorge will be acquitted.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 08, 2013 10:20 AM (codCi)

235 Plant kudzu. Now that's just plain meanishness.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 08, 2013 10:20 AM (jopHG)

236 I am thinking rioting will be minimal, assuming acquittal. The evidence has been so overwhelmingly in Z's favor, that it may have even penetrated the thick noggins of the LIVs.
Of course, I thought OJ was guilty as hell and Romney would win in a landslide.

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 10:20 AM (epiOF)

237 If he is fd guilty of manslaughter instead of murder2, he's still screwed big time. Nelson will max him out and the gun enhancement on top of the other enhancment and base count adds up to a long prison sentence. Oh, and I guarantee there will be rioting if there is an acquittal.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 10:20 AM (vDjkK)

238

ABC News' legal expert Dan Abrams said while parts of Zimmerman's account lack credibility,

I love how he had to put that in there.

"Oh, I don't believe him, but it's the State's fault."

This is an important turning point. The Media can either try to prevent, or provoke, racial violence when Zimmerman is pronounced Not Guilty.

If they want to prevent violence, they can say things like "The Prosecution's case is very weak. Nothing has come out that materially disproves Zimmerman's statement. As tragic as it is, it may be a relatively clear case of self defense."

If they want to provoke violence, they'll say things like what this "expert" said. "Oh, he's lying. We all know he's guilty. But the State is throwing this one to let Whitey off the hook."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 01:45 PM (/PCJa)

 

Better the racist mobs blame the prosecutirs than the jury.

 

The prosecutors can hide behind the police and the power of the state.  The jurors only have friends and family.  And during the riots, the politicians will make sure the police are deployed to protect their own asses, not the general publics. 

Posted by: rd at July 08, 2013 10:20 AM (D+lxs)

239 @231 Bullshit. The jury is all white. In other good news, tropical story in Caribbean headed for NC. We need more rain, that's for sure.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:21 AM (wR+pz)

240 So, how 'bout that Tour de France, eh?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 08, 2013 10:21 AM (wtvvX)

241 If he is fd guilty of manslaughter instead of murder2, he's still screwed big time. Nelson will max him out and the gun enhancement on top of the other enhancment and base count adds up to a long prison sentence. He'll be lucky to survive prison for more than a couple months. That said, there are so many reasons for appeal on this trial that it's ridiculous.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:21 AM (/PCJa)

242 Who did he support?

Percocet?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 08, 2013 10:21 AM (SY2Kh)

243 Percocet?

Burn ..

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 08, 2013 10:22 AM (codCi)

244 If it was a black on black killing the gun manufacturer would have been on trial.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 08, 2013 10:22 AM (jvd3N)

245  Serino "Wanted to confirm that Tracy Martin didn't disagree. Said no, voice in background was not that of his son."

Posted by: Jay in PA at July 08, 2013 10:22 AM (3LaGb)

246

>>"Angela Corey is in the courtroom. She looks like she's been hit by a bus. "

 

 

 

Metaphorically speaking, she deserves nothing less. She not only should be fired but disbarred and prosecuted.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 08, 2013 10:22 AM (J4Nul)

247 Who did he support? Percocet? Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 08, 2013 02:21 PM (SY2Kh) Poor question, did he reccomend anyone take his place.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 10:22 AM (XIxXP)

248 The girls were thrown from the back of the plane while it crashed?  I thought I'd read the cabin area was intact, even though the tail had been separated.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 08, 2013 10:23 AM (BAS5M)

249

I hope Zimmerman sues MSNBC for fucking with that 911 tape.

 

If he is convicted...he could use that in his appeal.

 

The leftist media has conspired to get him convicted.

He can't use that in this trial...but his lawyers could bring it up on appeal, couldn't they?

 

Posted by: wheatie at July 08, 2013 10:23 AM (XWSNs)

250 "If I had a son, he'd look like Zimmerman."

Posted by: Lady Justice at July 08, 2013 10:23 AM (71LDo)

251 "And isn't it lawful to shoot looters on site?" Well, it's lawful to use deadly force in self defense too. Or so George Zimmerman thought.

Posted by: Taco Shack at July 08, 2013 10:23 AM (C+qQ0)

252

Martin's father makes 8 witnesses who confirm it was not Trayvon screaming.

The suggestion it was Martin is preposterous on its face and I have no idea why the defense is going so overboard on this...

Posted by: Jay in PA at July 08, 2013 10:23 AM (3LaGb)

253 They're just disappointed cause at first they thought he was a white Jewish guy.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:23 AM (zOTsN)

254 Prosecutor Angela Corey and actor Ken Wahl both born the same day. Halloween 1954

Posted by: tmitsss at July 08, 2013 10:24 AM (xAzo3)

255 This witness would have made a better tonto than Johnny depp.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 10:24 AM (XIxXP)

256 People are going to die because of the lies the media has spread. This makes an assumption - that minorities are incapable or restraint, and therefore good citizenship. That's not an assumption you are making....that's the assumption the media makes every. Single. Day.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 08, 2013 10:24 AM (7lDh5)

257 There were two series, Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow (IIRC), will start reading them as soon as i finish my current book. And OSC has strong political views as well.

Posted by: Penfold at July 08, 2013 10:24 AM (Fbt5B)

258

I do not know if there will be riots. 

 

There does not seem to be mobs of protesters outside the courthouse? 

Where is the passion for "Justice for Trayvonnn!!!"

 

I hope I am right, but prepare anyway.  Relocate if you must. 

Posted by: rd at July 08, 2013 10:24 AM (D+lxs)

259 That's not an assumption you are making....that's the assumption the media makes every. Single. Day.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 08, 2013 02:24 PM (7lDh5)

Yup.

They're playing for the worst, and if the chips fall just right, they'll get the worst.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 08, 2013 10:25 AM (fwARV)

260 I am not 100% on this but I think if GZ is acquitted that FL law prohibits any civil action taken against him.....anyone know?

Posted by: Cheri at July 08, 2013 10:25 AM (G+Wff)

261 Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 02:21 PM (wR+pz) Well, I certainly hope you are right and I'm wrong.

Posted by: Taco Shack at July 08, 2013 10:25 AM (C+qQ0)

262 What the hell ever happened to Ken Wahl? Dude disappeared off the face of the earth.

Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2013 10:25 AM (KXm42)

263 Too bad there wasn't a station wagon full of nuns around as witnesses to the beating Z took.

Posted by: Archie Bunker at July 08, 2013 10:25 AM (BAS5M)

264 Ace be a little cautious of Bob Owens twitter. I'm sure he means well but he had some crack pot stuff about a "citizens grand jury " indicting Angela Corey

Posted by: Sunny at July 08, 2013 10:26 AM (g8+Vr)

265 If there are no riots maybe the race card is done dead.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:26 AM (zOTsN)

266 The suggestion it was Martin is preposterous on its face and I have no idea why the defense is going so overboard on this... Because the Prosecution went so overboard the other way. Remember, they spent most of a day on the Victim Impact Statements testimony of the Mom and (half? step?) brother. And OSC has strong political views as well. Most of them Liberal.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:26 AM (/PCJa)

267 Trying to recall the "publisher", but there is a set of audiobooks for Ender's Game and related novels that are absolutely superbly produced.  The books are unabridged and read, but by actors for different parts of narration and dialogue.

Stefan Rudnicki was one of the voices.  He was Colonel Graff.

Best audiobooks I've ever heard.

Posted by: grognard at July 08, 2013 10:26 AM (/29Nl)

268

194 Is there any evidence getting run over by the ambulance was the cause of death? I'm guessing getting violently sucked out of an airplane and bounced along the runway is suboptimal for human health.

 

Suddenly, I'm thinking of the Far Side cartoon in which some folks are examining the rings of a tree they've just cut down. "And here's another time this old boy miraculously survived a huge fire..."

 

Posted by: Anachronda at July 08, 2013 10:26 AM (IrbU4)

269 What the hell ever happened to Ken Wahl? I think he creates the instruments that turn bushes to hardwood.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 10:26 AM (XIxXP)

270 Poor question, did he reccomend anyone take his place.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 02:22 PM (XIxXP)


Not yet.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen should be in charge at July 08, 2013 10:27 AM (baL2B)

271

She ended up with Bean didn't she?

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And Peter.

 

Posted by: junior at July 08, 2013 10:27 AM (UWFpX)

272 All this attention on who was screaming is a waster of time for the State.  They should've been skeptical it was TM and instead focused on diminishing the seriousness of the fight.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 08, 2013 10:27 AM (UypUQ)

273 An appeals court cannot consider the effect of media coverage unless the defense made it an issue at trial.
An appeal only deals with what happened in the courtroom. Evidence and testimony.

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 10:27 AM (epiOF)

274 The gay mafia had a hissy fit recently and got OSC booted from writing a Superman comic.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 08, 2013 10:27 AM (ZPrif)

275 I'm sure it is just a funny coincidence that the state never called any character witnesses to talk about St. Skittles...

Posted by: Jay in PA at July 08, 2013 10:27 AM (3LaGb)

276 >>>People are going to die, and the media doesn't care, because it's more important to keep black communities hating the imagined "White America" boogeyman than to look around at what "Progressive America" has done to them. I cannot imagine an earthly justice capable of atonement for such cold calculating malice. It makes the eggs/omelet discussion of Stalin look absolutely compassionate in comparison. It is evil, and those that participate in it are evil and are due no respect, consideration, or quarter.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 02:19 PM (0q2P7)

 

***

 

This is precisely what happened in the Roney King trial. The media deliberately left out the first 15 seconds of the video - which showed King attacking the police - and deliberately omitted the fact that there was another black in the car with King - who was not touched because he obeyed police orders. They did this consciously and with malice aforethought and 52 people died.   And the mf'ers in the media that did this probably got  Pulitzers  for their  "reporting". Spit.

 

There definitely needs to be a reckoning. And not just for the Zimmerman travesty.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 08, 2013 10:27 AM (LDRYG)

277 "That said, there are so many reasons for appeal on this trial that it's ridiculous." --- Agreed, double agreed that first he would have to survive prison. I see absolutely no case for manslaughter either, it's not-guilty in short order OR if they truly are scared and want a cop out go the mistrial route. The state ain't trying this case a second time.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:27 AM (7mQyC)

278

252
Martin's father makes 8 witnesses who confirm it was not Trayvon screaming.
The suggestion it was Martin is preposterous on its face and I have no idea why the defense is going so overboard on this...

 

---------

 

Because St. Trayvon's sainted mother said it was her son screaming.

 

The defense needs to lay down a lot of testimony to counteract that.

 

Posted by: wheatie at July 08, 2013 10:28 AM (XWSNs)

279 215

You can't hold me responsible for your own deep-seated insecurities and sense of inferiority, Slappy--unless, of course, you're about 30 years old and your mother was a stripper in Fayetteville, NC. What can I say? We were justtwo careless kids caught up in the whirling kaleidoscope of passion, drama and big hair that was the Eighties. Mistakes happen, clearly.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 02:15 PM (vtiE6)

Sure thing, douchebag. Is that your lame attempt at humor? A joke about having sex with my mother in the '80s (when I was a teenager)? You must leave the crowds howling during your performances at open-mike night at your local comedy club. The only thing worse than your reasoning skills and analysis of the Zimmerman trial is your "humor". What, no "knock-knock" jokes?

At least you're not trying to provide some of your "impeccable" analysis of the Zimmerman trial. The damage that you've done to your reputation on this site with your analysis of the case is going to be long-lasting -- and your lame attempt at humor has only made it worse. You only have yourself to blame, so live with it.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 10:29 AM (LTbLf)

280 >>Ace be a little cautious of Bob Owens twitter. I'm sure he means well but he had some crack pot stuff about a "citizens grand jury " indicting Angela Corey So did newspapers including the Sacramento Bee and the Florida Times Union. It may be a little weird but it did happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2013 10:29 AM (g1DWB)

281 Standard of proof for criminal trial is beyond a reasonable doubt. For civil trials its a preponderance of the evidence ( more likely than not). You be acquitted in one and found liable in another, like Claus Von Bulow.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:29 AM (zOTsN)

282 The tail fell off. How far back do the seats go?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 08, 2013 02:16 PM (codCi)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

That metalic structure at the end of the crashed plane is the pressurization bulkhead.  From there is a small maintenence space  seperated by a locked door or hatch,  and then the galleys and then passenger seats.  Probably  a distance  in an  aircraft that large of 30-40 feet.  My guess is is that the  maintenence door/hatch remained intact, judgeing from the condition of the fuselage foward of the detached  portion of the tail. 

 

Plus, if if the hatch or door would have failed, I'm sure the interior was at neutral pressure when the crash happened. 

Posted by: Soona at July 08, 2013 10:29 AM (1Sqx0)

283 Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 6s  #zimmermantrial MOM: "As sad as it was to see Mr. Martin go through that, any doubt in mind that he said it wasn't Trayvon?" "No doubt."

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 08, 2013 10:29 AM (codCi)

284

I'm sure the networks will schedule a few movies to be played just by coincidence during the dates the jury is determining the verdict. 

 

Monday night 8:00pm  - Mississippi Burning

 

Tuesday night 8:00pm- A Time to Kill

 

Wednesday night  9:00pm - Malcom X

 

Thursday  night   9:00pm  - Do The Right  Thing

 

Friday night  8:00pm -  Driving  Miss Daisy

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 10:29 AM (m2CN7)

285 260 I am not 100% on this but I think if GZ is acquitted that FL law prohibits any civil action taken against him.....anyone know?

Posted by: Cheri at July 08, 2013 02:25 PM (G+Wff)


Douibtful. Different standards of proof. "Beyond reasonable doubt" in criminal, is a higher standard than "preponderance of evidence" in civil.

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 10:29 AM (epiOF)

286

221 The tail fell off. How far back do the seats go?

 

The rear bulkhead of the passenger compartment was still attached, although it did have some splits in it (perhaps the girls who fell out were sitting in the last row?).

 

Posted by: Anachronda at July 08, 2013 10:29 AM (NmR1a)

287 You be acquitted in one and found liable in another, like Claus Von Bulow. Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 02:29 PM (zOTsN) Or OJ

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:30 AM (wR+pz)

288 I am thinking rioting will be minimal, assuming acquittal. The evidence has been so overwhelmingly in Z's favor, that it may have even penetrated the thick noggins of the LIVs.

My Dad, who is well-educated and watches waaaay too much MSM for his own good thinks this was a bad shoot.  I asked him why and he said because the 911 operator told him not to follow, and he disobeyed.  I told him he'd been misinformed.  That the 911 operator said "You don't have to do that." and that Z said "OK".  That Z was returning to his vehicle when M jumped him. 

Dad says, "I haven't heard that anywhere."  Which goes to show you that multiple MSM sources doesn't mean the truth getting through. 

Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2013 10:30 AM (45N4D)

289 Generally, you can commence a lawsuit against anyone. Just pay your fee and serve the papers - doesn't mean lawsuit isn't complete B$.  I don't know about FL law, but in NY, there would be nothing to stop the estate of Martin from suing Zimmerman for negligence or assault (an intentional tort) or wrongful death (or whatever claims their Martin's lawyers can pull out of their ass), assuming the statute of limitations has not passed.  I believe the same is true in Cali, remember when Ron Brown's parents sued OJ Simpson after OJ was acquitted and won a massive civil verdict. Of course they aren't collecting much of it.

Posted by: Penfold at July 08, 2013 10:30 AM (Fbt5B)

290
>>>Its not an either or. Not every fight needs to end with a gun shot.

No but some do. After you cry for quarter and none is given: Let's start the relevant discussion there. Because that's were Zimmerman has stated he made his decision. If you are going to shoot someone just because a physical altercation has ensued in a public place, you haven't, at least in my mind, cleared the necessary threat level for use of deadly force in defense. There has to be more than just that. 

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 10:30 AM (0q2P7)

291 "The media's role in this has been shameful." Isn't it always? This is just so similar to how the media, along with professional race baiters, stirred people up against the Duke LaCrosse team.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 08, 2013 10:31 AM (AVyiO)

292

262 What the hell ever happened to Ken Wahl?

 

Dude disappeared off the face of the earth.

 

He sustained a really bad back injury...and is still on pain meds, I think.

 

Posted by: wheatie at July 08, 2013 10:31 AM (XWSNs)

293
Listen I live in Houston and I will not be going downtown when this verdict is announced.

I'll be in DC, working in the very worst parts of town, when the verdict comes out. I'm thinking seriously about taking a personal day.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 08, 2013 10:31 AM (0IhFx)

294 Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 4m #zimmermantrial BDLR: "You clearly heard him say it was not Trayvon's voice screaming?" Singleton: "Yes." http://lawofselfdefense.com

Posted by: Ma Bell at July 08, 2013 10:31 AM (RLdcX)

295 The tail fell off. How far back do the seats go? They better be glad it's not India Air, they have seats on the wings.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 10:31 AM (XIxXP)

296

>>>>>Oh, little Ms. Corey will get Zimmerman--and his wife--on the bail perjury charge. Because in 21st century America, once political elites send a common man to the gladiator arena because politics demands it, it's only a matter of when, not if, you die.

Posted by: T. at July 08, 2013 02:19 PM (KwX4y)

 

I concur, that is what I think will happen also.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 08, 2013 10:31 AM (cDr8Y)

297 Afternoon all. I don't see any way they find Zimmerman Guilty of anything but then I was sure OJ would be convicted

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 08, 2013 10:31 AM (gXLJL)

298 Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 1m  #zimmermantrial BDLR: "Mom, can we approach the bench?" Asks who he has to sleep with to get a guilty verdict.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 08, 2013 10:31 AM (codCi)

299 I haven't read or heard much, either way, from the "hispanic community" on the Zimmerman trial. They're too busy waiting to vote Republican when the amnesty passes, I guess.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 08, 2013 10:32 AM (YmPwQ)

300 What the hell ever happened to Ken Wahl? Dude disappeared off the face of the earth. Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2013 02:25 PM (KXm42) I think he got into painkillers after an injury. He made one last Wiseguy movie for tv and that was it.

Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 10:32 AM (GQ8sn)

301 The media is just pining for riots, and old Korean Tea Party Grannie's shooting innocent youths who are just having fun. Well, hell, you know that's what they want. That, and the martial law and firearm confiscation. And subjugation of conservatives, too. Just my thoughts. Your mileage may vary.

Posted by: EROWMER at July 08, 2013 10:32 AM (OONaw)

302 Douibtful. Different standards of proof. "Beyond reasonable doubt" in criminal, is a higher standard than "preponderance of evidence" in civil.

Some states have laws protecting those who engaged in legitimate self defense from being sued in civil court.

I don't know how it reads in Florida though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 08, 2013 10:32 AM (SY2Kh)

303 OT - Isn't it time we started talking about senate primary season?

Georgia:  Chambliss is retiring.  We got one good candidate (Broun) against a herd of RINOs.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at July 08, 2013 10:33 AM (epxV4)

304 I am thinking rioting will be minimal, assuming acquittal. The evidence has been so overwhelmingly in Z's favor, that it may have even penetrated the thick noggins of the LIVs.

Posted by: real joe

I'm with you on limited rioting but allow me to disabuse you of your reasoning though:

#zimmerman

Go read a few dozen of those tweets. The pro-Trademark crowd is convinced of things that are not fact: 1. ) Zim chased Trademark, 2. ) Zim lied about everything, 3. ) Zim did not have a broken nose.

The LIV's live in another America, one where ethno-political affiliation trumps all logic and reason.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 08, 2013 10:33 AM (xvZYu)

305 They better be glad it's not India Air, they have seats on the wings. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 02:31 PM (XIxXP) With phone banks!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:33 AM (wR+pz)

306 George Zimmerman guilty of covering up and aiding and abetting the real killer, his brother, Robert.  Robert to be charged as soon as we deal with George.

Posted by: angela's paralegal at July 08, 2013 10:33 AM (rznx3)

307 They better be glad it's not India Air, they have seats on the wings. That was so stupid it made me larf.

Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2013 10:33 AM (KXm42)

308

What the hell ever happened to Ken Wahl?

----------------------

 

He married one  of the Barbi  Twins.  But apparently, he was (is?)  nailing them both.  He's certainly  taken plenty of pictures  of them in some kinky-ass femdom poses.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 08, 2013 10:33 AM (CJjw5)

309 Listen I live in Houston and I will not be going downtown when this verdict is announced.

I'll be in DC, working in the very worst parts of town, when the verdict comes out. I'm thinking seriously about taking a personal day.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 08, 2013 02:31 PM (0IhFx)

**


I'll be on my boat, praying my wife "recovers."


Posted by: J. Kerry at July 08, 2013 10:34 AM (jvd3N)

310 49 Burn it down.


49  Scatter the stones.


Salt the earth where it stood.




Bounce the rubble.


Plant kudzu.

Spray for Chiggers

Posted by: fixerupper

 

Up Nawth we call them "Chigroes"

Posted by: firefirefire at July 08, 2013 10:34 AM (nAkDV)

311 Listen I live in Houston and I will not be going downtown when this verdict is announced. On the reverse side of this: I work in downtown Fort Worth. We're much more likely to see a celebratory parade and fireworks than rioting.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:35 AM (/PCJa)

312 "260 I am not 100% on this but I think if GZ is acquitted that FL law prohibits any civil action taken against him.....anyone know?" --- Yes FL does have such laws. 23 other states do as well.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:35 AM (7mQyC)

313 He married one of the Barbi Twins. But apparently, he was (is?) nailing them both.

That explains the back injury.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 08, 2013 10:35 AM (codCi)

314 >>>You must leave the crowds howling during your performances at open-mike night at your local comedy club.

Well he's not EOJ but he's funnier than you are.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 10:35 AM (0q2P7)

315 So... Ace is taking another early day then?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:36 AM (/PCJa)

316

Spray for Chiggers
Posted by: fixerupper

Up Nawth we call them "Chigroes"

Posted by: firefirefire


We prefer ArthroAmericans.

Posted by: Chiggers at July 08, 2013 10:37 AM (codCi)

317 supporting link for my last comment about innocent on self-defense innocence = no civil prosecution http://tinyurl.com/7a56og6

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:37 AM (7mQyC)

318 Son lives in China Town in DC. A little close to the LIV area.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:37 AM (wR+pz)

319 269. Bushes into hardwood You mean menopause?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 08, 2013 10:37 AM (HQX6o)

320 In other good news, tropical story in Caribbean headed for NC. We need more rain, that's for sure. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 02:21 PM (wR+pz) Come on, it's been like a whole 12 hours since it rained last!

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 08, 2013 10:37 AM (VtjlW)

321 There was a big freeforall involving the Barbie twins and I think Wahl on urbangrounds. They are pita people.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 10:37 AM (vDjkK)

322 Ken Wahl? I never watched "Wiseguy" but I remember him specifically for two lousy movies: "The Wanderers" and "The Taking of Beverly Hills." I just looked at IMDB and saw that he was also in "Fort Apache, The Bronx". I forgot about that. So he was at least in one half-decent movie.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 10:38 AM (LTbLf)

323 Dumb question - who/what is BDLR? Assuming it has something to do with the prosection.

Posted by: RWC at July 08, 2013 10:38 AM (fWAjv)

324 Bernie De La Rionda, prosecutor, lying fucktard.

Posted by: grognard at July 08, 2013 10:39 AM (/29Nl)

325 Come on, it's been like a whole 12 hours since it rained last! Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 08, 2013 02:37 PM (VtjlW) Only two in CLT. Waiting for afternoon T Storm.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:40 AM (wR+pz)

326
* stops in, co-mingles everyone's money, steals it.  offers visa for sex.  ignores silver, steals computers.  sends bribe money donation to ofa for pardon.*

Thanks everybody!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 08, 2013 10:40 AM (/tUlE)

327 Well he's not EOJ but he's funnier than you are.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 02:35 PM (0q2P7)

 

That's one opinion but seeing that one was attempting humor of school yard grade  and the other wasn't I don't see the point of your insult.  Escpecially since on has been whiing that he has been persecuted  on this site becaue he takes a differen view  of  Zimmerman.    

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 10:40 AM (m2CN7)

328 319 Son lives in China Town in DC. A little close to the LIV area. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 02:37 PM (wR+pz) 10 years ago I would say get the hell out. But now that is a really nice area that .gov will likely expend resources to protect.

Posted by: RWC at July 08, 2013 10:40 AM (fWAjv)

329 LIV and FSA. Two different things. LIV is Donna from accounting who only knows shoes, Survivor, and Sparkly Vampires.

Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2013 10:40 AM (KXm42)

330 315

Well he's not EOJ but he's funnier than you are.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 02:35 PM (0q2P7)

What does that even mean? And why are you defending him? He's the one who has made the debate personal (just look at other threads on the Zimmerman trial). And, no, nothing he said even approached humor. Mother jokes? Puh-lease.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 10:41 AM (LTbLf)

331

I recall that FL doesn't allow for civil prosecution of those who successfully argue self defense.  It seems to me that if there's a justifiable homicide (as self defense is), there isn't much of an opening for a civil suit anyway.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 08, 2013 10:41 AM (eytER)

332 Posted by: grognard at July 08, 2013 02:39 PM (/29Nl) Thanks. Should have known that.

Posted by: RWC at July 08, 2013 10:41 AM (fWAjv)

333 The Wanderers was pretty good. Oh well, I'm the type of guy who will never settle down Where pretty girls are well, you know that I'm around I kiss 'em and I love 'em 'cause to me they're all the same I hug 'em and I squeeze 'em they don't even know my name They call me the wanderer Yeah, the wanderer I roam around, around, around Oh well, there's Flo on my left and there's Mary on my right And Janie is the girl with that I'll be with tonight And when she asks me, which one I love the best? I tear open my shirt I got Rosie on my chest 'Cause I'm the wanderer Yeah, the wanderer I roam around, around, around

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 10:41 AM (vDjkK)

334 325 - BLDR= He's the loud as$ balding guy on the prosecutions team.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:41 AM (7mQyC)

335 333. Correct Here is the statue 776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force. (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant. (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (3) The court shall award reasonable attorneyÂ’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:41 AM (7mQyC)

336 I'm sure the libs will be okay with Zimmerman walking.  After all, isn't it better that ten guilty men go free than that an innocent man go to jail?

Posted by: biancaneve at July 08, 2013 10:42 AM (CU8P6)

337 It seems to me that if there's a justifiable homicide (as self defense is), there isn't much of an opening for a civil suit anyway.

Sure there is.  Jorge can sue the estate of Trayvon© for the assault.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 10:42 AM (codCi)

338 Come on, it's been like a whole 12 hours since it rained last! Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 08, 2013 02:37 PM (VtjlW) Only two in CLT. Waiting for afternoon T Storm. Y'all could share, you know.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 10:42 AM (/PCJa)

339

If it was a black on black killing the gun manufacturer would have been on trial.

 

If it was a black on black killing, you'd never have heard the names of these two.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2013 10:42 AM (zF6Iw)

340

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 02:35 PM (0q2P7)

I just noted your nic so admittedly don't know if you were just  flaming for  shits and giggles.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 10:42 AM (m2CN7)

341 @330 That's what I am hoping. He's only a block from Verizon Center on E St.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:42 AM (wR+pz)

342 Too bad there wasn't a Figure 4 Leg Lock involved.

Posted by: RWC at July 08, 2013 10:42 AM (fWAjv)

343 TBM @ 318 - Thank you!

Posted by: Cheri at July 08, 2013 10:42 AM (G+Wff)

344 what am i missing.....a ghey group is upset at the "ender's game" movie? why?
False advertising. The old guy doesn't f#ck the kid in the end.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 08, 2013 10:43 AM (9+vDU)

345 Douibtful. Different standards of proof. "Beyond reasonable doubt" in criminal, is a higher standard than "preponderance of evidence" in civil. All depends on the state. Some states don't allow civil trials where self defense was successfully used.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2013 10:43 AM (i252N)

346

ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 02:41 PM (7mQyC)

 

Thanks for that!  Sorry, I see you posted before, didn't mean to be redundant.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 08, 2013 10:43 AM (eytER)

347 That's what I am hoping. He's only a block from Verizon Center on E St. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 02:42 PM (wR+pz) Got FBI HQ there as well.

Posted by: RWC at July 08, 2013 10:43 AM (fWAjv)

348 10 years ago I would say get the hell out. But now that is a really nice area that .gov will likely expend resources to protect.

Posted by: RWC

That we've profiled entire districts to the point of matching voter preferences and address shouldn't bother you at all.

#DingDong #ItAintThePolice

Posted by: Obamanizing for America [/i] [/b] at July 08, 2013 10:43 AM (xvZYu)

349 If it was a black on black killing, you'd never have heard the names of these two. Fart in a blizzard.

Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2013 10:44 AM (KXm42)

350 Angela Corey looks like one of Buddy Valastro's ugly sisters on Cake Boss.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2013 10:44 AM (45N4D)

351 342 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 02:35 PM (0q2P7)
I just noted your nic so admittedly don't know if you were just flaming for shits and giggles.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 02:42 PM (m2CN7)

Good point. I missed that, too. Thanks for your comments in post 329 anyway, polynikes.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 10:45 AM (LTbLf)

352

toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 02:42 PM (codCi)

 

-------

 

Ahhh, good point.  Wouldn't that be pretty shiny, Z suing for the proceeds from all those J4T t-shirts...?

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 08, 2013 10:45 AM (eytER)

353 What if the JEF steps in with a federal civil rights violation?

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:45 AM (zOTsN)

354  I'm sure the libs will be okay with Zimmerman walking. After all, isn't it better that ten guilty men go free than that an innocent man go to jail?

Posted by: biancaneve at July 08, 2013 02:42 PM (CU8P6)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

Good catch.  But it only applies to certain preferred races.

Posted by: Soona at July 08, 2013 10:45 AM (1Sqx0)

355 Got stuck having to watch The View at a doctor's office today and I nearly lost my lunch listening to Baba Wawa and Whoopi racebait over the ABC analyst's rare statement of truth that the case is weak and that it was why he wasn't originally charged Maybe Z can sue Whoopi and ABC to go with NBC and CNN.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 08, 2013 10:46 AM (INyZp)

356 The LIV's live in another America, one where ethno-political affiliation trumps all logic and reason.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 08, 2013 02:33 PM (xvZYu)


Hmm.. true... at least the jury is getting their evidence from the trial and not the MFM.

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 10:46 AM (epiOF)

357 So, what's the premise for Sharknado? I can understand a bunch of sharks being sucked up in a cyclone but the only way I see that they are dangerous is for one to land on your head.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 10:46 AM (vDjkK)

358 Angela Corey needs to step up her game if she is to supplant Janet Reno as Florida's worst female State Attorney.

Posted by: boniface ballers at July 08, 2013 10:46 AM (l3RZ9)

359 Youv betta have de ampulamps onna speed dial. We comin' for all your stuff justice for Trayvon!

Posted by: Unemployed Latin Maniac Disciple, Without Health Care Insurance at July 08, 2013 10:47 AM (DLu2s)

360 A "not guilty" verdict is the just thing to do. It would also bolster the individual right to self defense. Those are two reasons for the regime to want Zimmerman to hang.

Posted by: En Raged at July 08, 2013 10:47 AM (x8riR)

361 The damage that you've done to your reputation on this site with your analysis of the case is going to be long-lasting -- and your lame attempt at humor has only made it worse. You only have yourself to blame, so live with it.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 02:29 PM (LTbLf)

 

I have a fairly nonexistent sense of humor so it isn't really a big discovery when people point it out. Further, don't care about 'my reputation on this site' or any other, so I'm guessing I'll live with it just fine, thanks. It would only bother me if I actually cared about your opinion. What I do care about is the truth. The truth is none of you would take kindly to be followed by a stranger and some of you, no doubt a small minority, would double back and confront the stranger following you around and try to find out why he was following you. An even smaller percentage of such face-to-face confrontations would end, as this did, with a fatal result and with both parties sharing varying amounts of blame for that result, depending on who made what decision and when.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 10:47 AM (vtiE6)

362 @JohnTant - All good, all the more chance peeps get the info.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:47 AM (7mQyC)

363 Oh, No. Flame on a Monday afternoon? Oh, boy. Popcorn.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 10:48 AM (wR+pz)

364 359
So, what's the premise for Sharknado? I can understand a bunch of sharks being sucked up in a cyclone but the only way I see that they are dangerous is for one to land on your head.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 02:46 PM (vDjkK)

Ummm, don't you remember "The Land Shark" from SNL in the '70s?

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 10:49 AM (LTbLf)

365 What I do care about is the truth. The truth is none of you would take kindly to be followed by a stranger and some of you, no doubt a small minority,would double back and confront the stranger following you around and try to find out why he was following you. An evensmaller percentage of such face-to-face confrontations would end, as this did, with a fatal result and with both parties sharing varying amounts of blame for that result, depending on who made what decision and when.

Love how you gloss over M jumping Z with "find out why he was following you."  Yep, real truth-seeker you are.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2013 10:49 AM (8ifMA)

366 It's not the prospect of rioting that concerns me. Riots are temporary in nature. I think the long-term effect will be an increase in attacks against random white people, and that could be nationwide.

Posted by: rickl at July 08, 2013 10:51 AM (zoehZ)

367 According to Troy, Trayvon just wanted to have a dialog when he came back to Z and told him, "today you gonna die."
For someone who is big on truth, Troy really doesn't let facts get in the way.

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 10:52 AM (epiOF)

368 Perry not running for re-election in Texas!

Posted by: Jmel at July 08, 2013 10:52 AM (BoDpj)

369

So, what's the premise for Sharknado? I can understand a bunch of sharks being sucked up in a cyclone but the only way I see that they are dangerous is for one to land on your head.


Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 02:46 PM (vDjkK)

 

Ummm, don't you remember "The Land Shark" from SNL in the '70s?

 

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 02:49 PM (LTbLf)

 

Or My Super Ex-Girlfriend.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2013 10:52 AM (zF6Iw)

370 Troyriser, trayvon is not some beleaguered Everyman. I got falsely accused of shoplifting when I was in law school. They stopped me at the entrance, dumped my backpack, searched my purse and compared the items in my bag to my receipt. I didn't attack anybody

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:52 AM (zOTsN)

371

The truth is none of you would take kindly to be followed by a stranger and some of you, no doubt a small minority,would double back and confront the stranger following you around and try to find out why he was following you.

 

 

We are all St. Trayvon now.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 08, 2013 10:52 AM (BAS5M)

372 I'm all in for the burning, scattering, salting, but I absolutely draw the line at planting kudzu.  Isn't that like a war crime or sump'n?

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 08, 2013 10:53 AM (ymovd)

373 Serious you guys; why so serious?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 10:53 AM (0q2P7)

374 Love how you gloss over M jumping Z with "find out why he was following you." Yep, real truth-seeker you are.

Let's pretend to believe in Troy's fantasy world scenario.  I'm being followed, and I foolishly double back and ambush the guy following me, starting a physical altercation.

Sorry to say it, but I'd deserve whatever I got at that point.

You have NO LEGAL RIGHT TO NOT BE FOLLOWED IN A PUBLIC SPACE.

Futher, Troy, YOU HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHT TO START A PHYSICAL ALTERCATION WITH SOMEONE.

Posted by: GMan at July 08, 2013 10:54 AM (sxq57)

375 "but I absolutely draw the line at planting kudzu. Isn't that like a war crime or sump'n?" --- It ought to be that sh1t will just take over and not go away!

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 10:54 AM (7mQyC)

376 "I have a fairly nonexistent sense of humor"

Well, Troy, I do have a sense of humor, and I think you are hilarious. Just in case you had not noticed, with your handicap & all.


Posted by: West at July 08, 2013 10:55 AM (1Rgee)

377 The truth is none of you would take kindly to be followed by a stranger and some of you, no doubt a small minority,would double back and confront the stranger following you around and try to find out why he was following you. An evensmaller percentage of such face-to-face confrontations would end, as this did, with a fatal result and with both parties sharing varying amounts of blame for that result, depending on who made what decision and when.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 02:47 PM (vtiE6)

 

That's so full of crap I don't know where to start.    First of all I don't get insulted if  someone wants to know why I am wandering around a gated community  I don't live at.  Frankly it would be expected and yes I've experienced it when I was younger.    Second I've never  felt the need to confront someone who  has not first confronted me. 

 

I asked in the other thread,  are you  one of those people who are  upset and  outraged that Loss Prevention personnel would dare follow someone in their store they though was suspicious?    

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 10:55 AM (m2CN7)

378 Nothing says justice for St. Treyvon of the Hoodie than stealing a big screen TV. And as for " Demolish the Fingerhut." Now you're just dancing in the end zone.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 08, 2013 10:56 AM (jopHG)

379 363

I have a fairly nonexistent sense of humor so it isn't really a big discovery when people point it out.Further, don't care about 'my reputation on this site' or any other, so I'm guessing I'll live with it just fine, thanks.It would only bother me if Iactually cared about your opinion. What I do care about is the truth. The truth is none of you would take kindly to be followed by a stranger and some of you, no doubt a small minority,would double back and confront the stranger following you around and try to find out why he was following you. An evensmaller percentage of such face-to-face confrontations would end, as this did, with a fatal result and with both parties sharing varying amounts of blame for that result, depending on who made what decision and when.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 02:47 PM (vtiE6)

Listen, let's just end his "dispute" here. It's over as far as I'm concerned.

But what I thought about your opinion obviously did bother you at least a little because you respond to my comments on the Zimmerman trial that are directed at you pretty much each and every time I post something. I don't care but don't pretend that you're above the fray while claiming that myself and others who have argued with you on this issue are the ones who are ignoring the facts of the case. You didn't even know the facts of the case when you first started posting your opinions on it. Now, you're admitting the facts but are still clinging to your weak conclusion based on those facts. If you care only about the "truth," you would at least admit that regardless of any mistakes that Zimmerman may have made, none of them warrant him serving prison time for it. The kid didn't deserve to die either but his behavior is the primary reason that he was shot and killed. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 10:56 AM (LTbLf)

380 "handicap AMPERSAND all."

F-in bargain basement AOS subscriptions.

Posted by: West at July 08, 2013 10:56 AM (1Rgee)

381 My Super Ex-Girlfriend.

I don't remember much of that movie, but when she threw that enormous, live shark through that guy's wall, I lost it.  I laughed long and from the belly.  Awesome.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2013 10:58 AM (WhJf8)

382 Doncha' know...Trademark was defending his tight little ass from the crazy white ass cracka! Seriously, you guys, have you ever had your ass cracked???

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 10:58 AM (vDjkK)

383

 The truth is none of you would take kindly to be followed by a stranger and some of you, no doubt a small minority,would double back and confront the stranger following you around and try to find out why he was following you. An evensmaller percentage of such face-to-face confrontations would end, as this did, with a fatal result and with both parties sharing varying amounts of blame for that result, depending on who made what decision and when.

---------------------------

 

So, assaulting someone who is following you is understandable, but shooting someone who assaults you  is not?

 

Is that your position? 

 

Seems pretty dumb.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 08, 2013 10:58 AM (CJjw5)

384 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. Bounce the rubble. Plant kudzu. Spray Roundup. *** Nuke it from space. It's the only way to be sure. **** 400 hundred comments to get to the punch line?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 08, 2013 10:59 AM (wPC60)

385  How ironic that a man that we all agree has killed someone, was not convicted in a trial where the state prosecution somehow failed to prove their case enough to convince a jury one was guilty AS CHARGED.

 While it is obvious that OJ did do it; Zimmerman admits he did it!  OJ had motive.
Zimmerman did not want to kill him, but alas, did. Remember whereas Chris Rock said about it: "But I understand."...Really Chris?


Posted by: MoJoTee at July 08, 2013 10:59 AM (e1kfW)

386 EOJ for the win. Not even fair.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 10:59 AM (zOTsN)

387 " but the only way I see that they are dangerous is for one to land on your head. " Posted by: waldo Never been shark fishing and had a love one on deck, I take it.

Posted by: shredded chi at July 08, 2013 11:00 AM (N3+X9)

388 Never been shark fishing and had a love one on deck, I take it.

Um, what are you doing to the sharks on the deck of the boat?  You keep your creepy-ass away from my fish tank!

Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2013 11:03 AM (WhJf8)

389 Never been shark fishing and had a love one on deck, I take it. Posted by: shredded chi at July 08, 2013 03:00 PM (N3+X9) But these sharks are being propelled by winds of a 100 miles an hour or more and dropping from many feet. They are going to go splat.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 11:03 AM (vDjkK)

390 Burn it down.

Scatter the stones.

Salt the earth where it stood.

Bounce the rubble.

Plant kudzu.

Spray Roundup.

Mortar the boulders.

Spread the caltrops.

Mine the swimming pools.

Africanize the bees.

Deploy the E-meters.

Explode the engrams.

Imminentize the Eschaton.

Release the Kraken!!
[This here's yer punchline, sheriff...]

Posted by: Parker at July 08, 2013 11:03 AM (YkW3i)

391 soft... ie the other guy talking to this trainer said something like " you mean that George...the fat pussy?"

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 11:04 AM (7mQyC)

392 I can't watch it. Too tedious.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 08, 2013 11:05 AM (wR+pz)

393

 

Burn it down.

Scatter the stones.

Salt the earth where it stood.

Bounce the rubble.

Plant kudzu.

Spray Roundup.

Mortar the boulders.

Spread the caltrops.

Mine the swimming pools.

Africanize the bees.

Deploy the E-meters.

Explode the engrams.

Imminentize the Eschaton.

Release the Kraken!!

 

Do the Hokey Pokey!

 

(that's what it's  all about)

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 08, 2013 11:06 AM (BAS5M)

394 Yeah, I know. Not defending the silly thing. Just saying, I guess they're supposed to be thrashing and tearing everything to shreds. I never even watched the trailer Ace posted.

Posted by: shredded chi at July 08, 2013 11:06 AM (N3+X9)

395 "handicap AMPERSAND all." F-in bargain basement AOS subscriptions. Pssst. It's your creepy assed cracka browser. &&&&&&&&& Works fine with the Cardboard Level subscription.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2013 11:06 AM (i252N)

396 If Obama had a son he'd make people scream like Trayvon?

Posted by: Dave at July 08, 2013 11:08 AM (OMNfZ)

397

I want to hear more about Angela Corey getting hit by a bus.

That fraud should be doing time with Mike Nifong.

Posted by: Carter Hull at July 08, 2013 11:09 AM (hKyl0)

398 >>>Second I've never felt the need to confront someone who has not first confronted me.

What I've never considered doing is when mere feet from the safety of my own house felt the need to wander back out to find someone whom I'd successfully evaded. Nor have I ever considered a decision to push a likely violent confrontation with someone following me, instead of just using my cell phone to call the police. Yes I've been in that situation before. The closest one I had 911 dialed in and I was ready to press send before the situation deescalated.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 11:13 AM (0q2P7)

399 Seems pretty dumb.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 08, 2013 02:58 PM (CJjw5)

 

It would be dumb if that's the argument I've been making, but you and others, such as Slappy up there, keep falling back on the ad hominem attack and the straw man fallacy, which is strange to me because insofar as I understand it, we, unlike the Left, don't do Narratives. Truth is not determined by consensus or maintained by solidarity. It just is.

 

I did not say Martin was justified in assaulting Zimmerman. I have said Zimmerman was justified in the use of lethal force when he was attacked by Martin since he (Zimmerman) did not initiate the physical confrontation, acted defensively throughout, and resorted to lethal force only when he had reasonable fear that his life was endangered.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 11:14 AM (vtiE6)

400 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
Bounce the rubble.
Plant kudzu.
Spray Roundup.
Mortar the boulders.
Spread the caltrops.
Mine the swimming pools.
Africanize the bees.
Deploy the E-meters.
Explode the engrams.
Imminentize the Eschaton.
Release the Kraken!!

Do the Hokey Pokey!

(that's what it's all about)



Release the Chakra!

Posted by: Algore at July 08, 2013 11:14 AM (knoK7)

401 61 Dan Abrams was the only person in the Media that said the Duke LAX case was bad and the was on MSNBC if you can believe that. Posted by: Patrick of Ohio at July 08, 2013 01:52 PM (b6koZ) ______________________ Dan Abrams may have identified with the Duke lacrosse team. Dan is a Duke alumnus (received his undergraduate degree there).

Posted by: Enraged Citizen at July 08, 2013 11:16 AM (/sohm)

402 Justice for Ray-Bans!

Posted by: Foster Grant at July 08, 2013 11:17 AM (8V4jN)

403 398 If Obama had a son he'd make people scream like Trayvon? Posted by: Dave at July 08, 2013 03:08 PM (OMNfZ) ____________________ If Obama had a son, he'd be a choom-smoking, racist, burglarizing, thug wannabe, with a lot of questionable associates. Oh, wait . . . .

Posted by: Enraged Citizen at July 08, 2013 11:19 AM (/sohm)

404 court out into the playground for 15 minutes.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 11:20 AM (7mQyC)

405 Burn it down.

Scatter the stones.

Salt the earth where it stood.

Bounce the rubble.

Plant kudzu.

Spray Roundup.

Mortar the boulders.

Spread the caltrops.

Mine the swimming pools.

Africanize the bees.

Deploy the E-meters.

Explode the engrams.

Imminentize the Eschaton.

Release the Kraken!!



Do the Hokey Pokey!



(that's what it's all about)



Release the Chakra!

Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 11:21 AM (0q2P7)

406 Shameful does not even begin to cover the MFM (delenda est) in this case, or sadly sooooo many others. They have power, and they abuse it, and they hardly every *don't* abuse it. There's hardly a case they don't fuck up when it draws their attention. If they were plumbers we'd all be hip-deep in shit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 08, 2013 11:22 AM (qyfb5)

407 "The truth is none of you would take kindly to be followed by a stranger and some of you, no doubt a small minority,would double back and confront the stranger following you around and try to find out why he was following you."

The truth is, when I was St. Traytable's age, I might have done what he did.  I made very similar stupid decisions on a number of occasions.  In my case(s), they only resulted in fisticuffs or shoving matches, with maybe a harsh word or two thrown about.  Won some; lost a few. 


Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 08, 2013 11:23 AM (ymovd)

408 But if you start pummeling someone for annoying you, you are kinda in the wrong.  When I say "kinda in the wrong", I mean: one-hundred-fucking-percent in the wrong.  It would have been a damned shame if I had been shot or stabbed in one of the altercations that I started, but the fact remains that the responsibility would have been on me.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 08, 2013 11:23 AM (ymovd)

409
Being a stupid kid who's too quick with his hands shouldn't be a capital offense, but if you put an armed man in fear of his life, it tends to work out that way.  None of us were there but the available evidence (i.e., facts) point to GZ justifiably defending himself.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 08, 2013 11:24 AM (ymovd)

410 401

It would be dumb if that's the argument I've been making, but you and others, such as Slappy up there, keep falling backon the ad hominem attack and thestraw man fallacy, which is strange to me because insofar as I understand it, we, unlike the Left, don't do Narratives. Truth is not determined by consensus or maintained by solidarity. It just is.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 03:14 PM (vtiE6)

Your reference to me and what I've been doing in our debates on this issue are patently false. I've let the facts of the case guide my opinion on it, while you've spent a lot of time ignoring those facts and acting like a victim, which is what you're doing AGAIN with your reference to "ad hominem attacks." I don't know why you won't just let this go, considering that your opinion on the case continues to inch closer to mine the longer the debate goes on.

BTW, you've engaged in plenty of "ad hominem attacks" yourself. How many times have you mocked those of us whose views differed from yours on this case by making comments insinuating that we support the murders or innocents or are ambivalent about the kid being killed? Your debating tactics on this whole issue have been enraging for me -- and I'm sure many others here -- who have watched you twist logic into a pretzel trying to justify your views on this case. It really is not that difficult of a case to analyze and judge when you remove emotion and any emphasis on the racial composition of the two principals, Trayvon and Zimmerman.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 11:27 AM (LTbLf)

411 "368 It's not the prospect of rioting that concerns me. Riots are temporary in nature.

I think the long-term effect will be an increase in attacks against random white people, and that could be nationwide.

Posted by: rickl at July 08, 2013 02:51 PM (zoehZ)"



That will result in A) even more people applying for concealed handgun licenses B) white people abandoning areas where blacks are a significant voting block to avoid malicious prosecution.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 08, 2013 11:31 AM (31Nrp)

412

Watching a bit f CNN to see how the race baiters are handling their coverage.  Holy crap.  They are going with the "prosecutors suck" and George Zimmerman had become a master at MMA fighting. 

 

We all know this is a kangaroo court, but the media is outdoing itself.  Glad I have a fair amount of ammo for defensive purposes.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at July 08, 2013 11:32 AM (GgPam)

413 The MFM want riots, and they will lie, cheat, and steal to get them. Because they hate life and decent people, apparently. Not going to give them the benefit of the doubt any more than they would me.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 08, 2013 11:35 AM (qyfb5)

414 401 troyriser Finally: "I have said Zimmerman was justified in the use of lethal force when he was attacked by Martin since he (Zimmerman) did not initiate the physical confrontation, acted defensively throughout, and resorted to lethal force only when he had reasonable fear that his life was endangered." It seems that you have found the truth. You use the term "strawman". I think you do not quite know what the word means. Applying the term "strawman" to arguments made by others by using only 1/4 of their original argument, is incorrect. From your several previous comments, you seem to have some personal (pro-Trayvon) stake in the Zimmermen trial; if it's "family", I understand this. Otherwise, you should lose the stake. You've spent many comments on what amounts to "personal restraint": Z. should never have gotten out of his car, etc., etc. Society simply isn't going to go to the point where law-abiding citizens have to give up their ordinary rights (self-defense, travel/movement, etc.) and let criminals and yahoos do as they please. St. Trayvon, when he left home to go after Z. was doing exactly this. Traytable should have known better; it was this action, his action, that got him plugged and planted.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 08, 2013 11:38 AM (FlRtG)

415 Bill Lee may be the next witness. He was the chief of police who was fired for doing his job.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 11:39 AM (vDjkK)

416 I think we have a new standard for character witnesses, used to be the priest who watched you feed starving children -- now its your buddy the combat medic.

Posted by: Jean at July 08, 2013 11:41 AM (CMlD4)

417 >>>The truth is none of you would take kindly to be followed by a stranger

True true. But also true, my first tripwire action isn't "When do I go back and try and kick his ass" it's

1. When do I call 911?
Second Tripwire
2. When do I make an overt evasion?


If help doesn't come, AND I cannot evade, THEN confrontation which is the most likely to see me dead is the last resort. Furthermore my legal duties when presented with a possible threat include notifying the police if possible, and, establishing a clear threat to life and limb before using force in my defense.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 11:42 AM (0q2P7)

418 Well the prosecutors suck part is right... or more that it appears that way because they have NO case.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 11:44 AM (7mQyC)

419 Why the assumption that it had to be either Martin or Zimmerman who was screaming? It's more logical that in that situation they were both screaming.....

Posted by: John at July 08, 2013 11:47 AM (XNgMZ)

420 The State of Miami? we finally got rid of those pesky bastards? woo!

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at July 08, 2013 11:47 AM (1hM1d)

421 It's more logical that in that situation they were both screaming.....

Because you always scream for help when you're whipping ass on someone.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 11:49 AM (codCi)

422 I'm surprised Trayvon© wasn't saying Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 11:50 AM (codCi)

423 Even I wouldn't beat Angela Corey

Posted by: Ugly Stick at July 08, 2013 11:51 AM (F6KtL)

424 finally court resuming Tracy Martin on the stand.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 11:51 AM (7mQyC)

425 >>>It's more logical that in that situation they were both screaming.....

???

Under what thesis would you ever come to that conclusion? If you are "screaming" in a fight you're wasting extremely valuable energy in the hopes that mere noise will help you prevail. Anyone who has ever been in a fight outside of the 5th grade knows only the loser screams.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 11:54 AM (0q2P7)

426 Apologies if this has been brought up elsewhere, but has anyone entertained the possibility that this was indeed a politically motivated case, but not in the way most assume? The prosecution case was SO bungled, that could it be that it was intentionally thrown in order for Zimmerman to walk, and thus gin up the left in time for the elections?..."Republicans are vile racists out to linch black people etc etc etc."

Posted by: AtlasMugged at July 08, 2013 11:54 AM (/fzU7)

427 Your words are hurtful.

Posted by: toby928© screams like a little girl at July 08, 2013 11:55 AM (codCi)

428

So Zimmerman walks because it was not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed murder, and most everyone agrees that should never have been charged in the first place, so my question is when do the usual suspects pop up on the various and sundry MSM news shows to declare this was all a sham and scream about justice for Trayvon? When do the riots begin? Which happens first or is it simultaneous release?

@419: Blaming the victim. What would a mature, self-assured adult do in the situation? Yeah, call 911 and move in the general direction of a known safe place asap. A 17 year-old guy, eh, not so much.

Posted by: steve walsh at July 08, 2013 11:57 AM (UPLmD)

429 Not sure why the defense really wanted to call this witness.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 11:59 AM (7mQyC)

430 >>>or more that it appears that way because they have NO case.

In the interest of justice you are never supposed to take a clearly inadequate case to criminal court. Doing so can be grounds for disbarment.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 12:02 PM (0q2P7)

431

Angela Corey was in the courtroom?  Is this the same Angela Corey who was

just indicted by a grand jury for falsifying the Zimmerman arrest warrant?

 

So far, the prosecution team looks like the Keystone Kops.  More than half

of their witnesses have done more good for the defense than the prosecution.

 

The question is not will George Zimmerman be acquitted, but what will happen

after he is acquitted.  The community organizer in the White House will do

nothing to keep the inner cites from burning.  He is what he is.  A community

organizer fans the flames of racial hostility.  Only after the damage has been

done, will Obama begin to sound like Ghandi.

 

Posted by: Leonard Jones at July 08, 2013 12:03 PM (njESi)

432 If the Duke Lacrosse players had a son, he would look like George Zimmerman.

Posted by: WaitingForMartel at July 08, 2013 12:04 PM (BYSrJ)

433 >>>Not sure why the defense really wanted to call this witness.

To give her further opportunity to discredit her testimony.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 12:04 PM (0q2P7)

434 " Is this the same Angela Corey who was just indicted by a grand jury" --- I'm not defending Angela Corey but please tell me this is not the "Citizens Grand Jury" bs your talking about - you know the same random group with zero authority that "indicted" gwb.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 12:07 PM (7mQyC)

435 Is this the same Angela Corey who was just indicted by a grand jury for falsifying the Zimmerman arrest warrant?

A "Citizen's Grand Jury".

Posted by: toby928© screams like a little girl at July 08, 2013 12:08 PM (codCi)

436 435 - Yeah but it seems unneeded and only provides the state and Mr. Martin to explain themselves and sob some more on the stand. Is the defense "that" worried about the jury thinking it was really treyvon screaming? They shouldn't be.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 12:10 PM (7mQyC)

437 Dangit wrong person. Tracy originally said publicly that the screams were not his son's. There is no good way for him to answer this question having originally made the statement that they were not. If he answers according to the prosecution's theory then it looks like a huge helping of witness coaching and perjury and basically makes the entire family look as if conspiring to testify to best promote conviction. If he sticks to his original statement it greatly harms the prosecution.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 12:10 PM (0q2P7)

438

Posted by: Arbalest at July 08, 2013 03:38 PM (FlRtG)

 

I know what straw man means, thanks. If you'll look at Jeff's comment, he claimed I was saying Martin was justified in physically attacking Zimmerman. I've said nothing of the kind. What I have said is that Zimmerman is not blameless. He started following Martin for what amounted to insufficient reasons. Martin, a 17-year-old, lived in the neighborhood and was--by all accounts (and undisputed by Zimmerman's defense)--walking home from a convenience store. In short, Martin was doing nothing wrong up to that point. That Martin reacted badly to Zimmerman's actions is also not in dispute. Going back to ambush Zimmerman amounted to criminal intent. Martin was wrong (and criminal) for doing it, and paid for that bad decision with his life.

 

Finally, here's my point: if you are being followed by a stranger who you have ascertained is not a police officer, then you will react either well or badly to such a situation. Martin reacted badly. You might react differently if you are being followed by a stranger, but you would almost certainly react in some way; e.g., walk faster, run, seek to shake the follower, notify police, or--in Martin's case--confront the follower. Such a reaction does not mean you are behaving suspiciously. You are behaving like someone who is being followed by a stranger. Viewed from the perspective of the one being followed, it was Zimmerman who was acting suspiciously.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 12:12 PM (vtiE6)

439 hopefully the next witness has us moving off the who was screaming on the tape issue for awhile.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 12:13 PM (7mQyC)

440 While repeatedly bashing a resident's head into the sidewalk, a nonresident mugger wouldn't dream of drawing attention to himself. Martin was willing to sucker punch a 1:1 confrontation. But if he'd wanted to get his thugs to join in, he'd have used his own cell phone to call for backup...and the best he could come up with was the fat black girl. /She'd have sat on Zimmerman?/ Since the Judge is stuck on braindeadzombie stupid ['I know it all/I know nada'], for the sake of defense, make a recording of Zimmerman screaming for help and compare that with the 911 evidence call background cries for a voice match. Witnesses saw the aggressor Martin on top of Zimmerman while hearing Zimmerman scream for help. What a lousy bunch of "neighbors" participating in their neighborhood watch. NOT even willing to immediately call 911, or even to look out the window in order to provide the basic information for the police eventually summoned. Their stupidity is costing whoever stays in the complex financially responsible for Martin's family's financial award won in civil court. Then again, dismantle a bankrupt neighborhood watch association, and who's to pay the Martin family squat? Bad news for everyone else, since that apt. complex's residents will relocate to afflict others with derelict foolishness. Will the Asian (Filipino?) American apt. witness be included in funding Martin's family jackpot win? More likely, he didn't sign on. In his testimony, I didn't hear him say whether he had or had not "joined" the watch; only that he knew of the watch group. Most likely, the financing of the Martin jackpot will only be accomplished by the neighbors gullible enough to sign their names on the neighborhood watch group list, but not willing to take responsibility for their group's mutual agreements. Final point for social justice? Obama requires that you all submit to Big Brother as the ONLY legitimate overseer of public/neighborhood/home/personal safety. Any local watches will be prosecuted as vigilante groups, as this case has been molded to sell the public perception of what's unacceptable: self defense.

Posted by: panzernashorn at July 08, 2013 12:23 PM (MhA4j)

441 jury dismissed. court taking up bunch of motions... State wants to strike bunch of testimony favoring defense. *shocker*

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 12:30 PM (7mQyC)

442 I put the over under at 300. Not all murders but fire deaths and other causes. Rioters are not real brand when confronted with armed people. Cities will be Miami Chicago Detroit Baltimore Philadelphia los Angeles.

Posted by: jukin at July 08, 2013 12:31 PM (a8aGJ)

443 "What a lousy bunch of "neighbors" participating in their neighborhood watch. NOT even willing to immediately call 911, or even to look out the window in order to provide the basic information for the police eventually summoned. " Several of the neighbors were witnesses for the prosecution which called them to review the 911 calls they made to police.(calls they made because they looked out the window and saw the two men wrestling on the ground after hearing noises). One neighbor was a stellar witness for the defense, he was the one who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman....have you watched or even read any of the testimony?

Posted by: Jen at July 08, 2013 12:32 PM (VM7vY)

444 Angela Corey and Judge Nelson are lovers.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 12:33 PM (vDjkK)

445 If GZ did not have a gun and the fight was stopped by the police TM would be the one on trial for attempted murder and it would not even had made it past a post in the local paper.


Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at July 08, 2013 12:33 PM (c6tHt)

446 Holy crap is Nelson actually leaning toward ruling against the state for once (regarding vet testimony)?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 12:37 PM (7mQyC)

447 Donnelly (vet) testimony stands.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 12:45 PM (7mQyC)

448 Zimmerman described Martin as appearing as if he was on drugs. However, the drug was Genetalia...

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 12:48 PM (vDjkK)

449 I can't believe Nelson sided with the defense.

Posted by: seamrog at July 08, 2013 12:49 PM (9O+4U)

450 Arguing about THC levels in martin being allowed in now.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 12:50 PM (7mQyC)

451 But he DISOBEYED the 911 operator's instructions who told him not to FOLLOW Trayvon. And he PROFILED him.... And then, and then he STALKED him and SHOT him just for buying a bag of SKITTLES !

Posted by: Everly Ray Sistidiot at July 08, 2013 12:51 PM (HEo6y)

452 451 - I can here because it was absolutely crystal clear there was no prejudice; and frankly they (state) made no argument about how they would have done anything differently. I mean still 1/2 expected her to still fk the defense but there would be no way to call that ruling unbiased. Pretty sure the THC ain't getting in though. haha

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 12:52 PM (7mQyC)

453 DA is full of it. First, he says GZ did not know TM on drugs. Then he says the fact that GZ's observations of him being on drugs was correct is irrelevant.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 12:58 PM (vDjkK)

454 Wow she lets in the tox report,saying basically if she didn't it'll be grounds for reversal.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 01:00 PM (7mQyC)

455 Who got to Nelson? After Friday's nuttiness, TWO whole rulings for the defense? That's just not like her.

Posted by: VKI at July 08, 2013 01:01 PM (TKoA3)

456 >>>DA is full of it. First, he says GZ did not know TM on drugs. Then he says the fact that GZ's observations of him being on drugs was correct is irrelevant.

This statement makes no sense in any paradigm that isn't a progressive fantasy land.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 01:02 PM (0q2P7)

457 457 - That must have been one hell of a good lunch she had.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 01:03 PM (7mQyC)

458 Can the state appeal a "not guilty" verdict based upon judge's rulings ?

Posted by: seamrog at July 08, 2013 01:03 PM (9O+4U)

459 >>>Wow she lets in the tox report,saying basically if she didn't it'll be grounds for reversal.

Pretty true. You can't form a logical paradox as an excuse for denying the defense evidence.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 01:04 PM (0q2P7)

460 >>>Can the state appeal a "notguilty" verdict based upon judge's rulings ?

NO

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 01:04 PM (0q2P7)

461 Thanks MTM

Posted by: seamrog at July 08, 2013 01:08 PM (9O+4U)

462 Denied on no restrictions with expert witness.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 01:09 PM (7mQyC)

463 >>>Can the state appeal a "notguilty" verdict based upon judge's rulings ? That would be double jeopardy. Some states apparently have laws that would prevent suits after a finding of self defense, but I don't know if Florida is one. I don't think that would preclude the feds from going after Z for violating TM's civil rights, and I'm pretty darn sure they'll be trying that next. Why that isn't double jeopardy, I don't know.

Posted by: VKI at July 08, 2013 01:10 PM (TKoA3)

464 If the defense's animation is anything like that Taiwanese animation, I want to see it!

Posted by: VKI at July 08, 2013 01:11 PM (TKoA3)

465 "but I don't know if Florida is one." ---- It is one - see #337

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 01:12 PM (7mQyC)

466 466 4realz!!

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 01:12 PM (7mQyC)

467 "feds from going after Z for violating TM's civil rights" --- Feds already looked into and said there was no possible case

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 01:13 PM (7mQyC)

468 >>>>I don't think that would preclude the feds from going after Z for violating TM's civil rights, and I'm pretty darn sure they'll be trying that next.

You have no clear case law for this. I'll give you my general opinion. You cannot set aside a question of the court once answered in favor of the defense. The practical question before the court currently is "Did GZ unjustifiably shoot TM?" Any level of guilty verdict, even Manslaughter 2, answers to the potential (Though not definite) affirmative of that question and further prosecution of federal crimes on the same premise may commence. If GZ is acquitted the answer "When GZ shot TM it was not unjustifiable*" may not be set aside for federal charges. Without the action of unjustifiably shooting TM as a premise the case for a violation of civil rights becomes intractable. What are they going to say? That GZs following him in furtherance of his duty as a neighborhood watch in a public place somehow denied TM his civil rights? What right would that be? The right *not* to be followed when wondering around a housing complex at night? They would put up weak argument for racial profiling, which doesn't take a lot of work to push into the reasonable doubt area of "Well he reasonably might have suspected TM based on how he dressed or acted". I would say that in the case of acquittal further prosecution is unlikely.


*Double negative deliberate. 

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at July 08, 2013 01:27 PM (0q2P7)

469

Why dey need  ask Dilbert  'bout  n'thang?

 

He be a kartune.

Posted by: rachel at July 08, 2013 01:27 PM (9O+4U)

470 All the women in the animation better have gigantic boobs - Taiwan style!

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 01:33 PM (vDjkK)

471
I'll be in DC, working in the very worst parts of town, when the verdict comes out. I'm thinking seriously about taking a personal day.
--

One week after the Rodney King verdict and riots, I was househunting in the DC area after accepting a job offer there.  Unfamiliar with the area, my husband and I mapped a route that took us through SE DC.  There was a flash flood and we were trapped in no-moving traffic.  Not before, or since, have I ever been so aware of my creepy ass cracker skin.  The tension was palpable, all eyes were on us.

For your situation, the bad news is that you never know exactly when a verdict is going to be read.  Hopefully they announce that it's coming and give people a chance to get out of dodge.

Posted by: Mayday at July 08, 2013 01:34 PM (eHc+1)

472 Mayday (473): Some friends of my late brother had a story to top that one. They were Latin Americans who had to flee their country (I forget which one) on very short notice for political reasons. They flew into D.C. (probably National back then) and rented a car to drive to the Maryland suburbs. Not knowing anything about D.C. they decided to take the shortest route, right through town. Not having heard any news since leaving home, they didn't know that Martin Luther King had been assassinated while they were on the way. They made it to Maryland alive, but the wife spent most of the way screaming "Let's go back home! [The dictator] can't be that bad!"

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at July 08, 2013 02:31 PM (PjEYC)

473 Well, maybe not "top" you story, but match it.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at July 08, 2013 02:32 PM (PjEYC)

474

Citizen Grand Juries all across America are empowered to issue indictments

in criminal matters.  Anyone who thinks that a Grand Jury indictment carries

no weight in our legal system, is woefully ignorant of the American justice

system!  Grand Juries exist at the local, county, state and federal levels.

When a Grand Jury issues an indictment, it is handed over to a local D.A.,

coutny prosecutor, state or federal attorney.  If they fail to file for political

reasons, they risk their careers.

 

By now, everyone has seen the two photos of the injuries George Zimmerman

sustained at the hands of Treyvon Martin.  The now famous photo of the back

of Zimmerman's head was taken by a private citizen and was already in

circulation.  She had to include this bloody image (As is) in her filing.  But

Corey altered the frontal photo of Zimmerman's broken and bloodied

nose.  Easy to do in this digital age, just manipulate the resolution and

convert to black and white.  This made the blood on Zimmerman's face

look like a bad goatee.

 

First year law students understand the rules of discovery.  Falsifying evidence

in an arrest warrant and complaint is a serious felony, as is any failure to

include exculpatory evidence.  Angela Corey's tit is in a wringer and she

will likely spend a decade in prison!

 

Many convictions have been overturned by an innocent failure to include

evidence, even evidence not pertinent to the guilt or innocent of the defendant.

Corey was fanning the flames of racial animosity in order to win reelection.

She learned nothing from Mike Nifong and the Duke Lacrosse rape case.

 

Political ambition is not a bad thing, but when it becomes an obsession and

drives you to commit a serious felony, you deserve everything you get!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Leonard Jones at July 08, 2013 02:43 PM (njESi)

475 Yeah, Zimmerman will walk free. As free as a guy whose reputation as a regular human being has been utterly destroyed. As free as a guy who will forever wear "I murdered Trayvon" tattooed on his forehead by the Black Panther crowd. As free as a guy who can only hope for a future somewhere he will never be recognized -- free of friends, family, anything familiar. All for trying to help his community. The whole thing sucks.

Posted by: red speck at July 08, 2013 07:03 PM (9Xu0X)

476

"The media's role in this has been shameful. It is obvious now as it was obvious then that this was a racial prosecution, pure and simple, and yet they cheerleaded for it just the same."

 

?And yet"??? to quote Taranto, "Fox Butterfield, is that you?"

Posted by: MartyJ at July 08, 2013 07:37 PM (aCbk+)

477 Anyone who thinks that a Grand Jury indictment carries no weight inour legal system, is woefully ignorant of the American justice system! How does the request from a "Citizen's Grand Jury" carry any more weight with a DA than a request from me?

Posted by: toby928© at July 08, 2013 07:40 PM (QupBk)

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