November 22, 2013

Shock of Shocks: Obama Delaying Employer Mandate, Again For, Get This, Nakedly Political Reasons
— Ace

Corrected: Thanks to commenters and Andy, I've been informed that I've misread this article badly.

I've been so strongly expecting him to delay the employer mandate (as I mention below) that when I saw an article with the words "mandate" and "delay," I just made up the rest of the sentence in my head.

But re-reading the article more carefully, I see that this move applies to enrollment in the Obamcare exchanges. So it applies to the individual market.

Now, this is still being done for political reasons. Remember, Obama seeks to keep the old policies in effect for one year, after which people will have to seek an Obamacare policy. They will of course start seeking these policies, then, on October 15th.

He's keeping them from seeing the Sticker Shock prices until after the election.

I'm sorry I blew the story so badly. I've anticipated the delay of the employer mandate so hard that I just completely misread this article as vindicating that prediction.

Below a rewrite of the post-- without the major error I made.

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Democrats complained that enrollment for the employer mandate -- with the Sticker Shock that will accompany it -- was slated to start less than three weeks before the 2014 midterms, on October 15, 2014.

In addition, Obama's one-year grace period for old policies means that people will start seeking new policies October 15, 2014, as well.

Well, not any more.

King Obama is now trial-ballooning -- that he'll delay the enrollment period on the Obama exchanges by exactly one month, from October 15th (before the elections) to November 15th (after them).

On the podcast now posted below, and also in conversation, every time someone said "Well the Democrats are going to face the employer mandate before the election," I just laughed and scoffed. Sure they will.

Sure.

That will be the next shoe to fall, I still think. But for now, here's this dropping shoe-- the individual market enrollment will not start until after the elections. Conveniently enough.

John Eekdahl had a point in the podcast, though: How much does this actually help Obama and the Democrats? The public understands what Obamacare means-- it means skyrocketing prices for their healthcare. Does delaying this -- attempting to keep a secret that's already out -- actually help them?

Maybe it could hurt them-- perhaps the public will imagine the damage to themselves will be even greater than it actually will be.

I don't know.

I do know the media is up to its old Obama-protecting tricks. Watch how Bloomberg claims the move is for policy purposes, which may also have a political benefit:

The Obama administration plans to push back by a month the second-year start of enrollment in its health program to give insurers more time to adjust to growing pains in the U.S. law, a move that may stave off higher premiums before the 2014 congressional elections.

Before I read that, I had been thinking "The media can't possibly spin this as anything other than what it is, a stinking filthy attempt to delay the pain of Obamacare so that Democrats have a chance to cling to power."

But there you go. Bloomberg's opening sentence reports, as a factual matter (not "the Administration claims," but that this is factually so), that the move is made for prudential reasons to permit insurers to "adjust" to "growing pains."

And not for the transparently political and, get this, dishonest reason that obviously is motivating the New Unilateral Executive Law-Making.

A one month delay of a mandate he already delayed by one year. Thirteen months instead of twelve months.

I guess it's just a coincidence that this one-month adjustment moves the pain from before the elections to after them.

Posted by: Ace at 07:14 AM | Comments (418)
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1 Shock of Shocks: Obama Delaying Employer Mandate, Again For, Get This, Nakedly Political Reasons tit for tat American citizens, nakedly for constitutional reasons, refuse to comply

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 07:16 AM (MhA4j)

2 At some point his greatest achievement has to actually take place during his reign, doesn't it? I mean Legacy Logic still applies to the universe or did it like the seas just ebb away upon his coronation?

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at November 22, 2013 07:16 AM (oDCMR)

3
REPEAL

IMPEACH

Posted by: Parker at November 22, 2013 07:17 AM (YkW3i)

4 I guess it's just a coincidence that this one-month adjustment moves the pain from before the elections to after them. - ace That's what Mark Levin was saying a few nights ago.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 07:17 AM (MhA4j)

5 For anybody who thought Joe Manchin would switch to the GOP, yesterday proved that will never happen.

If he does not switch after Obamcare disaster and the nuking of the 200 year old filibuster, he never will.

Begich, Hagan, Red Light Mary, Max Baucus etc....Heidi in ND, all frauds

Posted by: Myron at November 22, 2013 07:18 AM (4WesI)

6 Never any good news. I hate these suckers of cock.

Posted by: Bill at November 22, 2013 07:18 AM (uvyrw)

7 Ace, just want to let you know that your "get this" formulation never fails to make me laugh or chuckle. Love it.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 22, 2013 07:18 AM (r+7wo)

8 Most states have a 90 day cancellation notice policy. A thirty day delay just pushes the cancellation letters closer to the election.

Posted by: RS at November 22, 2013 07:19 AM (YAGV/)

9 Uhm, I thought the Democrats told everyone to shut up and quit complaining, because this is the law! How can the President simply snap his fingers and change it? Worse than a banana republic. We have become an insolvent banana republic.

Posted by: USA at November 22, 2013 07:19 AM (VIaw0)

10 Perhaps we can campaign on impeaching and convicting Obama for multiple violations of the Constitutional order.  That way, after we win we can claim to have a mandate to throw his sorry ass out.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at November 22, 2013 07:20 AM (cwAH0)

11 >>>Ace, just want to let you know that your "get this" formulation never fails to make me laugh or chuckle. Love it THANK YOU! I've been wondering if that joke is landing or if people are just reading through it, like skipping the words with their eyes, as unnecessary filler. I like that joke.

Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 07:20 AM (/FnUH)

12 John Boehner is 2nd in line to the Presidency. Has enormous power as Speaker. He is the only one who can stand up to Obama, and he cowers.

Newt Gingrich was many things, but he would have been on fire yesterday over the Filibuster as Speaker. Clinton would have never tried to do this on Newt's watch.

Cantor is a pussy too. Highest ranking Jew in the free world after Bibi, and he does squat but stab Cuccinelli in the back

Posted by: Myron at November 22, 2013 07:21 AM (4WesI)

13 Sad to say, maybe the dim's have figured out the attention span of the LIV'S.

Posted by: tbodie at November 22, 2013 07:21 AM (32Scy)

14 By the way, he's not doing this because he cares about his fellow Dems (he never has, being a malignant narcissist and all), he just want to be able to act even more dictatorially than he is now with little to no push back. After that, they can all go jump in a raging river for all he cares. I think though, that if the GOP gets their act together, they can warn the public about the terrible effects of the employer mandate and other aspects of the law once they take effect after Obama feels safe and use it to destroy the Dems. I suspect the public will be more receptive to what they have to say after this insane debacle.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 22, 2013 07:21 AM (r+7wo)

15 I've wanted to ask, "Do people get the 'get this' joke...?" but it felt stupid to ask, and it also felt like attempting to explain a joke, which is always useless. I'm glad it's landing.

Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 07:21 AM (/FnUH)

16 I really don't see what this accomplishes for them. Notices will go out before the election. People know the history of the individual mandate and what happened this year. Employer plans will have the same, if not worse, problems. Stupid move....

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 22, 2013 07:22 AM (bCEmE)

17 Obama will order the insurance companies not to send cancellation notices until after the election. Same way he ordered defense companies to break the law and not send layoff notices until after the 2012 election.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 07:22 AM (ZPrif)

18 "Shock of Shocks: Obama Delaying Employer Mandate, Again For, Get This, Nakedly Political Reasons —Ace" He's pushing back the enrollment period for 2015, not employer mandates. Employer mandates go into effect in 2015 under his current delay for them. The sticker shock to come is a result of the insurance mandates, not the employer mandates. Most employers avoided that sticker shock because their polices were renewed before 2104. But Obama pushing back the enrollment start date does not mitigate that coming sticker shock for employer plans.

Posted by: NotCoach at November 22, 2013 07:22 AM (rsudF)

19 The kitteh is already out of the bag.  The employers won't wait until the November deadline to start handing out warning notices about what's going to happen.  With the clusterfuck of the individual mandate, everybody knows what will happen with the employer mandate.  They could delay all they want, it will not help them.


Posted by: EC at November 22, 2013 07:22 AM (GQ8sn)

20 Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 11:20 AM (/FnUH) I meant to tell you, ace, I nearly died at your "Because, crack" line in your Toronto mayor post.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 22, 2013 07:22 AM (Kqtqx)

21 So, is this like... I don't gotta tell chicks I love 'em until after now? Score!

Posted by: Paradise by the dashboard lights at November 22, 2013 07:22 AM (9hVHZ)

22 What difference does it make??

Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 07:23 AM (wmU4G)

23 In related news, Lockheed Martin cut 4,000 job this month. More to come.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 07:23 AM (ZPrif)

24 For anybody who thought Joe Manchin would switch to the GOP, yesterday proved that will never happen.

If he does not switch after Obamcare disaster and the nuking of the 200 year old filibuster, he never will.

Begich, Hagan, Red Light Mary, Max Baucus etc....Heidi in ND, all frauds
Posted by: Myron

Wait and see what the poll numbers look like in Feb., if their really bad - I bet he starts talking Independent.

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 07:23 AM (CMlD4)

25 Derr, what is Obama Care?  And why should I care?

Posted by: Typical LIV at November 22, 2013 07:23 AM (OZmbA)

26 don't forget A + B, but mostly B.

Posted by: Joey Biden's Empty Pastepot at November 22, 2013 07:23 AM (Eibjh)

27 By that time, having packed the Court of Appeals, only the Supreme Court will be in a position to stop the fascists via legal action. And we all know how few cases the SCOTUS takes every term. Obama will get away with all sorts of King like behaviors now.

Posted by: MTF at November 22, 2013 07:23 AM (F58x4)

28 The Marxist will be in office for 3 more years, he does not care about the people, even his own party.

Somebody has to stand up to him, he is becoming the Madness of King George 200+ years later

Posted by: Myron at November 22, 2013 07:23 AM (4WesI)

29 I'm voting for Obama again.

Posted by: Typical LIV at November 22, 2013 07:23 AM (OZmbA)

30 This is beyond parody anymore eff them ALL with the barbed cock of SATAN

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at November 22, 2013 07:23 AM (F0AWV)

31 >>>He's pushing back the enrollment period for 2015, not employer mandates. Employer mandates go into effect in 2015 under his current delay for them. no the enrollment period is being pushed back from Oct 15 to Nov 15. The mandates "go into effect" in 2015, but people have to ENROLL before insurance takes effect. The enrollment period precedes the in-effect period. He's pushed back the enrollment period until after the elections, so that no one can see what they'll be paying for insurance until after the midterms.

Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 07:24 AM (/FnUH)

32

I guess it's just a coincidence that this one-month adjustment moves the pain from before the elections to after them.

 

And the question before the  House is - how many people are stupid enough to fall for this shit?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 07:24 AM (zF6Iw)

33 Maybe it could hurt them-- perhaps the public will imagine the damage to themselves will be even greater than it actually will be. It will. Uncertainty is a bigger killer than knowledge. The old fear of the unkown.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 07:24 AM (ix+5k)

34 Petulant Cunt Delays Signature Legislation

Posted by: Alt Headlines at November 22, 2013 07:24 AM (s700G)

35 27. Agreed. Roberts is a traitor.

Even after the Nuke of the buster, we will see McCain and the other Senate RINO's more than willing to pass Reid's bill soon enough

Posted by: Myron at November 22, 2013 07:24 AM (4WesI)

36 Uhm, I thought the Democrats told everyone to shut up and quit complaining, because this is the law!

http://is.gd/azLWGp

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 07:24 AM (ZKzrr)

37 I've had to recalibrate my give-a-kcuf meter over the past few years. If the chance of any news filtering through the media to LIVs and having any effect is low, all I can do is take note and get on with my day.  This is one of those stories.

There are no checks on this administration. Not the media, not SCOTUS, not the GOP. Unless LIVs take note of any particular issue and speak up, the beatings will continue. LIB.

Posted by: Xander Crews at November 22, 2013 07:25 AM (MGVR2)

38 Naked    and     powitical?     Cownt     me     in!

Posted by: Barney Frank at November 22, 2013 07:25 AM (q4QfH)

39 The economy sucks, margins are tight, and employers will take any lifeline they can grab onto to stay afloat.  If it means dumping their workers and paying only a miniscule fine, they will do it.  I'm preparing to receive such a notice this time next year.


Posted by: EC at November 22, 2013 07:25 AM (GQ8sn)

40 Yeah, Ace, I enjoy the "get this" formulation, too. It's sort of a written eye roll.

Posted by: That SOB van Owen at November 22, 2013 07:25 AM (8bBsO)

41 But does this really matter when compared to such creases?

Posted by: David Brooks at November 22, 2013 07:25 AM (Pr6hk)

42 >>>It will. Uncertainty is a bigger killer than knowledge. The old fear of the unkown. it certainly permits the GOP to claim the worst. And if Obama is trying to hide the pain until after the elections, who can deny it will be at the level of the worst, or nearly so?

Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 07:25 AM (/FnUH)

43 Obama's gutting of the military has been done with very little pushback from the Repubs. He's killed off most modernization programs and advanced weapons. He's seriously cut R&D. And he did this even as he "surged" in Afghanistan (while announcing the withdrawal date at the same time.)

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 07:25 AM (ZPrif)

44 This has to be the most blatantly transparent  political  move so far today.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:26 AM (0HooB)

45 Ace had me at "Nakedly." 

Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 07:26 AM (wmU4G)

46 Have a friend on FB with major health issues that posted a picture of his enrollment page.  He was estatic that the premium was around 300 a month, with tax subsidy.  He was also thrilled that it had no deductible.  The plan was called the Humana platinum /1500 plan.  I didn't have the heart to explain to him the reason it's called 1500..is because that's the deductible.  Also..he doesn't get the tax subsidy directly. 

Posted by: beerologist at November 22, 2013 07:26 AM (CdhVC)

47 I sincerely can see a time in the near future when the 2nd is going to come in VERY handy. With the lawlessness of the government as a whole, but especially with the unchallenged dictatorial bent the executive has taken in conjunction with the perversion of the Senate, I have to believe the seeds of insurrection are being sewn.

Posted by: Jazz at November 22, 2013 07:26 AM (roO4n)

48 Blistering op-ed in the Wall Street Journal today about the Dems turning increasingly to Alinskyite tactics, for instance with the filibuster vote. Uprising coming?

Posted by: Caliban at November 22, 2013 07:26 AM (DrC22)

49 If the American people are stupid enough to allow the Dems to keep the Senate in 2014, than they deserve this spiral

Posted by: Myron at November 22, 2013 07:27 AM (4WesI)

50 The purpose of policy IS political effect aka benefits. POLICY/benefits Statesmen, according to benefit the nation of citizenry. Authoritarians, strictly to benefit themselves alone at the total consumption of the masses, Middle Class to indigent squalor. You know what the Galveston Moody founding insurance/investment magnate said when people disappeared after the 1900 Hurricane? "Good. Now there's more for us." (Quoted from the Pedernales Co-Op Magazine printed historical account commemorating that disaster.)

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 07:27 AM (MhA4j)

51

Gotta concentrate and providing fake and misleading Employment Numbers for the mid-terms. 

 

Best to push that Employer Mandate back a few weeks.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 07:27 AM (s700G)

52 ace , I believe those that haven't Actually gotten the bill but will,  will have a new reason to be angry  at what will be percieved as govt making them poorer.

Posted by: willow at November 22, 2013 07:27 AM (nqBYe)

53 48. It will have to come from the states, because GOP leadership in Washington is worthless

Posted by: Myron at November 22, 2013 07:27 AM (4WesI)

54 The problem for Barry is that the enrollment period starts then, but paperwork, with pricing, will still be passed out by companies in September/October.

Posted by: phreshone at November 22, 2013 07:27 AM (Pr6hk)

55 He was estatic that the premium was around 300 a month, with tax subsidy.

Did he bother to thank his friends for paying for his free shit?  (Rhetorical...)

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 07:28 AM (ZKzrr)

56 Here's the thing.    The article says that the gubmint is (illegally, btw)   pushing back the FILING DATE for insurers.   That's not, as far as I'm aware, the same as pushing back the ENROLLMENT date for customers,   which is still in the law. 


And even if the    filing date  AND enrollment date    are pushed back a month, so fucking what?   insurers are, as far as I'm aware, required to notify customers of any changes within 60-90 days   of the changes taking effect.   The bulk of enrollments won't be in until March next year, but that leaves April, May, June, July, August and September before the original October 15 deadline,  during which insurance companies can look at the numbers and make the final determination of what their premiums and deductibles and coverage maps will look like.


This is as nakedly political as it gets, but I don't think   it helps the gubmint as much as they think it does.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:28 AM (4df7R)

57 And New Jersey's special election for the Senate wasn't political, either.

I swear they think we're stupid. Well, probably because, on the whole, "we" are.

Posted by: Clownf*cker at November 22, 2013 07:28 AM (CGjum)

58 anyway, Can He actually get away with shoving the bad news away for a period of time Again?

Posted by: willow at November 22, 2013 07:29 AM (nqBYe)

59 HAHAHAHAHA.... My question is this.... what are they going to do with the extra 4 weeks?  I predict that the website won't even be operative at that point and the companies will let their employees know well before the deadline what the status of their insurance will be. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 22, 2013 07:29 AM (32Ze2)

60 This has to be the most blatantly transparent political move so far today. Posted by: BackwardsBoy ---------------- Which is saying something.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:29 AM (aDwsi)

61 "Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 11:24 AM (/FnUH)" That's what I'm saying, but that's not how your headline reads. The employer mandate is still set to go into effect come 2015 despite these latest political shenanigans. And employers don't worry about the exchange enrollment period anyways. They enroll with insurers directly. Many employers were renewing their policies back in September despite the exchange enrollment period starting in October. The same will be true next year. Besides, many employer plans will expire next December. they can't wait until November 15th to renew.

Posted by: NotCoach at November 22, 2013 07:29 AM (rsudF)

62 Does this really work though? This is just like Obama declaring that now illegal insurance policies aren't illegal in a press conference. All the companies who fund the group plan market will have already made their fiscal and health insurance decisions by this time anyway. Are companies going to hide this disaster from their employees until after the election?

Posted by: gwelf at November 22, 2013 07:29 AM (TJ8HB)

63 Isn't he considerate giving them an extra month next year, when just last week he basically told insurance companies to re-issue "junk" policies, incuding giving notice that 404Care was better but you losers can't appreciate that, all in a what 15-30 day window?? 

Posted by: Nicole at November 22, 2013 07:29 AM (eK/Bm)

64 Employers make their benefit package desions much earlier than November, ealier than even September. If they know there will be a change coming in the law for the coming year they wil make changes to abide by it. That was why Obama announced the 1st waiver back in July b/c employers where getting ready to make necessary changes, they don't wait till November.

Posted by: Styro at November 22, 2013 07:30 AM (MheaI)

65 Ace, OT, but while you're here: some of us are seeing videos pop up in the bottom right corner of the comment pages. Is this some sort of ad that you are getting paid for? I hope so...

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 22, 2013 07:30 AM (SUKHu)

66 17 Obama will order the insurance companies not to send cancellation notices until after the election. Same way he ordered defense companies to break the law and not send layoff notices until after the 2012 election. --------- The alternative for Obama would be to start saying (in 2014) that " if you like your plan you can keep it" just to rub it in how stupid he thinks everybody is. The sad part is how many people would calorie it, again

Posted by: Chilling the most at November 22, 2013 07:30 AM (gxtMZ)

67 >>>But there you go. Bloomberg's opening sentence reports, as a factual matter (not "the Administration claims," but that this is factually so), that the move is made for prudential reasons to permit insurers to "adjust" to "growing pains."

**


When the lies become truths we are something...something.

Fuck Bloomberg "News"


Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 07:30 AM (wmU4G)

68 @17 Cancellation notice requirements come from State law. Given the states' reluctance to go with his recent attempt to "fix" the problem, I don't see how they'd play along with a federal order to violate state law.

Posted by: RS at November 22, 2013 07:31 AM (YAGV/)

69 There are no "Platinum" plans allowed in my state. There is a "Rusty Sheet Metal" plan though.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 07:31 AM (ZPrif)

70
In a sane world it wouldn't matter, GOP candidates would just inform in every commercial that your rates will necessarily skyrocket the next year unless the congress is ran by a huge majority of gop.  "A vote for ______ (D), is a vote for obamacare".

But its not a sane world.  They will talk about restricting the pill or something.  or amnesty.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2013 07:31 AM (iGPSR)

71 My prediction?  P A I N

Posted by: Barry 'Clubber Lang' Soetoro at November 22, 2013 07:32 AM (Pr6hk)

72

News Flash:

 

President Johnson's first act  in office was to NEVER ride around in open convertables, EVAR!  Not because the last guy just got his head shot off, but due to the growing pains of assuming the duties of office. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 22, 2013 07:32 AM (TOk1P)

73 If the American people are stupid enough to allow the Dems to keep the Senate in 2014, than they deserve this spiral Posted by: Myron ------------------------ Yeah..., but there are the other 49% who are on the flaming train with them. And it is that 49% (the paying citizens) who will be hurt the worst.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:32 AM (aDwsi)

74 And the question before the House is - how many people are stupid enough to fall for this shit?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 11:24 AM (zF6Iw) 

Enough.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 22, 2013 07:32 AM (fwARV)

75 The 'rats want assurances and payback for their blind support.  This could get interesting if the GOP was smart enough to facilitate a little cannibalism before 2014.

Posted by: Fritz at November 22, 2013 07:32 AM (UzPAd)

76 Any bets on whether or not the 404Care site  will be operational by then?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:33 AM (0HooB)

77 All the companies who fund the group plan market will have already made their fiscal and health insurance decisions by this time anyway. Are companies going to hide this disaster from their employees until after the election? As Flatbush Joe wrote, it already worked once—but that was for defense, which is heavily dependent on the federal government, so they were willing to be strong-armed into breaking the law on the promise that they wouldn’t face legal consequences. Will companies as a whole be susceptible to such tactics? I think it’s a tough call. The federal government wields a lot of power.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 22, 2013 07:33 AM (QF8uk)

78 I really can't believe people let this pussy push them around.

Posted by: Bashar al Assad at November 22, 2013 07:33 AM (Pr6hk)

79 Why doesn't someone in Congress take this SOB to court. Win or lose at least we are doing something other than bending over?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 07:33 AM (t3UFN)

80 33. Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 11:24 AM (ix+5k) You are right. And the worst, deepest fears are based on reality. Politicians constantly play on fear and flattery. Insane McCain: "You have nothing to fear." -- "'Will you walk into my parlour?' said the Spider to the Fly."

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 07:33 AM (MhA4j)

81 There is a "Rusty Sheet Metal" plan though. Posted by: Flatbush ----------------- Heh. All we have is the Crapalloy plan.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:33 AM (aDwsi)

82 OT, but while you're here: some of us are seeing videos pop up in the bottom right corner of the comment pages.

Is this some sort of ad that you are getting paid for? I hope so...

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 22, 2013 11:30 AM (SUKHu)

**



Its killing the page load rates on my Kindle. Sometime booting me all together.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 07:33 AM (wmU4G)

83 Cancellation notice requirements come from State law. Given the states' reluctance to go with his recent attempt to "fix" the problem, I don't see how they'd play along with a federal order to violate state law.

Posted by: RS at November 22, 2013 11:31 AM (YAGV/)



Exactly.   And while I'm sure the bluey-blue states would be willing to    shirk their own laws to shine Obammy's ass for him,  the purplish and red states won't.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:33 AM (4df7R)

84 All the companies who fund the group plan market will have already made their fiscal and health insurance decisions by this time anyway. Are companies going to hide this disaster from their employees until after the election? If they want to, they had better mail them from The Cayman Islands.....

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 07:33 AM (ix+5k)

85 I they can fix healthcare.gov by the end of this month, then why wouldn't an extra month help insurers "adjust to the growing pains in the U.S. law"? It's not as if this was started four years ago. These things take time to get them right.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 22, 2013 07:34 AM (mlSEY)

86 The employers won't wait until the November deadline to start handing out warning notices about what's going to happen. With the clusterfuck of the individual mandate, everybody knows what will happen with the employer mandate. They could delay all they want, it will not help them. Posted by: EC at November 22, 2013 11:22 AM (GQ8sn) _______________________ Yep. Businesses that end their accounting year in October need to plan ahead, and they need to know what their next year's expenses will be. The cost of their employees' health insurance is a big expense. Unlike Obama and the Dims, businesses can't run endless, trillion dollar deficits, and they also can't fail to have budgets year after year after year. This nakedly political stall by Obama isn't going to work.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 22, 2013 07:34 AM (/sohm)

87 Good Morning nails.

Posted by: Government Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:34 AM (Pr6hk)

88

Somebody has to stand up to him, he is becoming the Madness of King George 200+ years later


 

Posted by: Myron at November 22, 2013 11:23 AM (4WesI)

 

Who is the lucky bastard that gets to inspect his daily shit to discern his mental state?

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 22, 2013 07:34 AM (H84UO)

89 Cold day in Dallas? But But But with global warming shouldn't it be hot hot hot there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 07:34 AM (t3UFN)

90

Dateline, December 1941:

 

Japan delays it's attack on Pearl Harbor, not to give its diplomats time  to skedaddle out of  Washington, but to  have it happen  on a Sunday, which is otherwise a slow news day. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 22, 2013 07:35 AM (TOk1P)

91

I saw Nakedly Political Reasons at Lollapolooza with the Barenaked Ladies.

 

I always thought there should have been a truth-in-advertising claim made against that show.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at November 22, 2013 07:35 AM (CMbMd)

92 In before the scorpions!

Posted by: toby928© blurts at November 22, 2013 07:35 AM (QupBk)

93 Many employers were renewing their policies back in September despite the exchange enrollment period starting in October. The same will be true next year. I used to produce enrollment forms for a major BC/BS carrier in this area. Employers have different enrollment periods. I produced the application forms every month of the year. My wife's 'open enrollment/policy renewal' date is around May to June every year. The biggest moaning and groaning is not over for another year. It's gonna be continual. Month after month, drip after drip of resentment. The Dems own this baby.

Posted by: Lace Wigs [/i] at November 22, 2013 07:35 AM (UL/Aj)

94 Blistering op-ed in the Wall Street Journal today about the Dems turning increasingly to Alinskyite tactics, for instance with the filibuster vote. Uprising coming?

Posted by: Caliban at November 22, 2013 11:26 AM (DrC22)

 

I don't think we can look to The Wall Street Journal as a bastion of support in any struggle against this nakedly corrupt, increasingly authoritarian regime. They're the same ones who support de facto amnesty for illegal immigrants because they're worried about losing their nannies and gardeners. Seriously.

Posted by: troyriser at November 22, 2013 07:36 AM (O66NZ)

95 How many businesses have a fiscal year that runs July 1 to June 30?   Because I'm going to wager it's plenty.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:36 AM (4df7R)

96 As Flatbush Joe wrote, it already worked once—but that was for defense, which is heavily dependent on the federal government, so they were willing to be strong-armed into breaking the law on the promise that they wouldn’t face legal consequences. Will companies as a whole be susceptible to such tactics? I think it's a tough call. The federal government wields a lot of power. Hmmmm. A federal government in a far off place or employees in the company parking lot wth axe handles & rope. Hmmmmm.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 07:36 AM (ix+5k)

97 Your move, Senator Cruz.

Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at November 22, 2013 07:36 AM (gKs8d)

98 No video here..., but then I have NoScript working.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:36 AM (aDwsi)

99 THE BALLS ON THESE GUYS!

Posted by: toby928© blurts at November 22, 2013 07:37 AM (QupBk)

100 So I told him, "you can try it if you dare, but I'm getting the hell out of town for the next couple of years"

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 22, 2013 07:37 AM (Pr6hk)

101

The Collapsening continues.  It is an admission that this law cannot work.  And after the Delay of 2014, what then?  The 2016 elections are coming up - who amongst the Democrats wants to clean up the fallout from this as they run for office?

 

 

The delay tells us everything.  The Democrats know this will not work, they just do not have the will to do what is needed - yet.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at November 22, 2013 07:37 AM (hLRSq)

102 How much does this actually help Obama and the Democrats? The public understands what Obamacare means-- it means skyrocketing prices for their healthcare. Does delaying this -- attempting to keep a secret that's already out -- actually help them?

ack, my comment was to this statement in post.

Posted by: willow at November 22, 2013 07:37 AM (nqBYe)

103 Hmmmm. A federal government in a far off place or employees in the company parking lot wth axe handles & rope. Hmmmmm.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 11:36 AM (ix+5k)


And don't   forget a state government that's not all that far away.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:37 AM (4df7R)

104 This country is doomed.

Posted by: Mr Pink at November 22, 2013 07:37 AM (QNeXb)

105 Obama ordered defense companies not to release mandatory layoff notices before the 2012 election. He even said the Feds would pay any fines they incur from breaking the law.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 07:37 AM (ZPrif)

106 I don't like this living under tyranny crap. You know what? I had to go over with the Boss this morning to meet with a judge and opposing counsel about a thing about some stuff. The judge and the Boss and opposing counsel all sat there and discussed this and that and the other and all of it was premised on the assumption that we are operating under the rule of law. Funny how that applies to we plebes and not Our Betters.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 22, 2013 07:37 AM (VtjlW)

107 Cold day in Dallas? But But But with global warming shouldn't it be hot hot hot there? 36 and drizzle ATM.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 07:38 AM (ix+5k)

108 People, people... we decided to get all stabbly with Ceasar,  not because he was a ruthless tyrant, but because we wanted to test our new blades on something. 

Posted by: Brutus and Cassius at November 22, 2013 07:38 AM (TOk1P)

109 anyway Do we have actual Lists of people that have lost their Jobs because of Obamacare?

it should always go hand in hand with getting the Bill.

Posted by: willow at November 22, 2013 07:38 AM (nqBYe)

110 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at November 22, 2013 07:39 AM (Pr6hk)

111 36 and drizzle ATM. --- Ass To Mouth drizzle? But you NEVER go ass to mouth!!!

Posted by: Dante Hicks at November 22, 2013 07:39 AM (/Crba)

112 Obama ordered defense companies not to release mandatory layoff notices before the 2012 election.


He even said the Feds would pay any fines they incur from breaking the law.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 11:37 AM (ZPrif)


State laws   govern things like insurance notifications,  not federal.  



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:39 AM (4df7R)

113 >>>Its killing the page load rates on my Kindle. Sometime booting me all together. this is odd and worrying, as there actually no ads at all on the comment pages.

Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 07:39 AM (Qa3Yi)

114 This was totally predictable. NO WAY they will let people know what's in store for employee health plans. Barky will do all he can, including blatantly illegal moves like he used with the Lockheed lay-offs. He'll twist arms and get the insurance companies to shut up. Where he has less control is in what companies themselves do and what state law will require. In any case, the GOP would do well to have many ads out there showing how the Dems are ONCE AGAIN lying and deceiving.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 22, 2013 07:39 AM (dfYL9)

115 Ace had me at "Nakedly."

 

Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 11:26 AM (wmU4G)

 

You and Sandra Fluke.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 07:40 AM (zF6Iw)

116 Funny how that applies to we plebes and not Our Betters.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 22, 2013 11:37 AM (VtjlW)

I wonder if the eventuality is that when Many more figure this out their will be actual Anger.

Posted by: willow at November 22, 2013 07:40 AM (nqBYe)

117 So when the hell am I gonna get some new cell-mates?

Posted by: Kwame Kilpatrick at November 22, 2013 07:40 AM (Pr6hk)

118 Insurers are slashing payments to medical practices in many of the plans they sell through the new health-law marketplaces—sparking worries that Americans signing up for coverage will have fewer doctors to choose from if low fees spark an exodus from the plans.






Economics, how do they work?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 22, 2013 07:40 AM (1Jaio)

119 THANK YOU! I've been wondering if that joke is landing or if people are just reading through it, like skipping the words with their eyes, as unnecessary filler. I like that joke. Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 11:20 AM (/FnUH) I long for the day when we get a get this whatever whatever from this but mostly from that headline.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 22, 2013 07:40 AM (VtjlW)

120 A federal government in a far off place or employees in the company parking lot wth axe handles & rope. Hmmmmm. I’m currently in San Diego, on the other side of the country from DC. Just did a google maps search on “IRS near 92110”. Nearest office: 5.3 miles away. Environmental Protection Agency is 5.1 miles, right next door to one of our competitors.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 22, 2013 07:40 AM (QF8uk)

121 Nobody has been fired for incompetence. "Helpful" acts have been: --trying to convince the insurance companies to break the law --a one month delay of something next year

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 22, 2013 07:40 AM (SUKHu)

122 Dat gives me a chance to get in another 10 rounds of golf and 27 one on one games with my bodyman, Reggie "chocolate thunder" Love

Posted by: Preezy Barrycade O'Choomer at November 22, 2013 07:40 AM (Jls4P)

123 State laws govern things like insurance notifications, not federal.


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 22, 2013 11:39 AM (4df7R)




le Roi Barry: L'etat c'est moi

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 22, 2013 07:41 AM (1Jaio)

124 Why doesn't someone in Congress take this SOB to court. 79. Posted by: Nevergiveup R-AZ Congressman Trent Franks' Forty http://tinyurl.com/lpqbrou But post-constitutional enablers ain't gonna align with Logos to defend a hill confronting their obsession to steer clear of constitutional integrity. /Fear. Flattery. Income. Influence. Power. whatever/

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 07:42 AM (MhA4j)

125 They lie and cheat and lie and cheat and nobody on the Republican side does shit. Hard to keep your spirits up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 07:42 AM (t3UFN)

126 This is stupid.  Employers will know long before the elections what the impact is on their businesses.  They cannot wait until Nov 15th to start deciding on their insurance for 2015.

This is so blatant that it will backfire on them.  We can use this to our advantage in races all over the country next year.

"My Democrat opponent is so ashamed of what they did to you with Obamacare, that they convinced the President to postpone it until after the election.  We're not that stupid, are we?"

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 22, 2013 07:42 AM (f9c2L)

127 Can't these people just cover the higher rates by having their foundations pay it?

Posted by: Limousine Liberal at November 22, 2013 07:42 AM (Pr6hk)

128 What difference at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Pttdu Apiptix at November 22, 2013 07:42 AM (+jyzN)

129 What would REALLY be nice would be to actually get some  headway on repealing those "risk corridors" in the law.   Sell it to the lefties as    forcing the   health insurance companies to play fair.   It's bullshit, but it's the bullshit they like.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:42 AM (4df7R)

130 >>this is odd and worrying, as there actually no ads at all on the comment pages. I was afraid of that. I didn't want to click on it because I didn't know if it was malware of some kind.

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 22, 2013 07:43 AM (SUKHu)

131

this is odd and worrying, as there actually no ads at all on the comment pages.

 

 

Sad.  Almost impossible to find a quality Lace Wig anywhere else on the intertubes.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 07:43 AM (RF4rm)

132

I really can't believe people let this  black  pussy push them around.

 

Black Democratium.  That's why Boner pisses his pants whenever Barky sneezes.  No.  Other.  Fucking.  Reason.  Whatever.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 07:43 AM (zF6Iw)

133 Went on a rampage, not due to cocaine use, but due to the growing pains of adjusting to... eh, um... ah, yeah, that's a dumb excuse. 

Posted by: Da Mayor Rob Ford at November 22, 2013 07:43 AM (TOk1P)

134 Obama ordered the defense companies not to issue the layoffs. All the media reported this was ok because these "layoffs" weren't going to happen because they were due to sequestration, which obviously was going to be lifted. The "layoffs" were reported, by straight news outlets, as just a Republican scare tactic. Of course, sequestration wasn't lifted and the layoffs actually occurred.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 07:44 AM (ZPrif)

135 There is always a way for Democrats to lie and bullshit the people. They are masters at it. The cold reality of their dark souls.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 22, 2013 07:44 AM (IXrOn)

136 The motto should be "Vote on November 4th like it was November 15th."

Posted by: algore at November 22, 2013 07:44 AM (B+ujR)

137 Princess Lambballs, MPPPPPP, princess Lambballs.

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 22, 2013 07:44 AM (SUKHu)

138 Obama ordered defense companies not to release mandatory layoff notices before the 2012 election. He even said the Feds would pay any fines they incur from breaking the law. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 11:37 AM (ZPrif) State laws govern things like insurance notifications, not federal. And defense contractor's lifeblood is fed contracts. Joe's Widgets in DuBuque, Iowa? Not so much.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 07:44 AM (ix+5k)

139 I didn't want to click on it because I didn't know if it was malware of some kind. If you can do a “view source” or “view page source” it might show where it’s coming from.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 22, 2013 07:44 AM (QF8uk)

140 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_r_v9cYBPY#t=69 Ace, I'm no longer shocked. This is the new reality across America.

Posted by: USA at November 22, 2013 07:44 AM (VIaw0)

141 >>>Its killing the page load rates on my Kindle. Sometime booting me all together. this is odd and worrying, as there actually no ads at all on the comment pages. Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 11:39 AM (Qa3Yi) The video ads are popping up for me intermittently when using Chrome on a PC. They haven't popped up yet using Firefox on the same PC.
I see them sometimes using one of the Kindles but not on the other (shut up, it's fine that I have multiple Kindles, it is, it's not a problem, okay, I can quit anytime, DON'T YOU JUDGE ME!) I haven't seen them when viewing on the phone, either on 3/4G or wifi. Yes, I have been keeping track of this, why do you ask?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 22, 2013 07:44 AM (VtjlW)

142 121. Mama AJ Nobody has been fired for incompetence. ...whereas, competency is grounds for termination...

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 07:45 AM (MhA4j)

143 The notices will still be going out prior to the election Not sure this helps unless he got a promise of help from the insurance industry to delay notices

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 07:45 AM (zOTsN)

144 A month. To help with growing pains. A month. People will /nod and say, sounds reasonable...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 22, 2013 07:45 AM (IXrOn)

145 So when the hell am I gonna get some new cell-mates? Posted by: Kwame Kilpatrick (ahem) What am I..., fried chicken?

Posted by: Jesse Jackson Jr. at November 22, 2013 07:45 AM (aDwsi)

146

>>>"My Democrat opponent is so ashamed of what they did to you with Obamacare, that they convinced the President to postpone it until after the election. We're not that stupid, are we?"

 

"Now, let's talk about amnesty!"

Posted by: GOP 2014 at November 22, 2013 07:45 AM (CMbMd)

147 Somewhat related to this ObamaCare clusterfuck is the number of businesses that are having 'Black Friday' sales early this year. They know the supply of disposable income is drying up faster then Nancy Pelosi's complexion.

Posted by: Lace Wigs [/i] at November 22, 2013 07:46 AM (UL/Aj)

148 I'm getting the video ads on safari now too they suck AND blow but am glad it wasn't just me! oh and to the "who checks the Boy King's shit?" - that would be Kal Penn

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 22, 2013 07:46 AM (EZNxq)

149 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 22, 2013 11:44 AM (IXrOn) worst of it? fusion party, shared values

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 07:46 AM (MhA4j)

150 People will /nod and say, sounds reasonable, thank you... Posted by: artisanal 'ette

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:46 AM (aDwsi)

151 I have a theory that all the questionable acts by this administration are not actually intended to work, that is, to fool the voters, but rather to provide a plausible the-people-are-stupid explanation for the vote fraud and election theft that is already in the works.

Posted by: toby928© blurts at November 22, 2013 07:46 AM (QupBk)

152

141 -

 

I  get them popping up at home, on Firefox.  Never at work, on IE. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 22, 2013 07:47 AM (TOk1P)

153 Somewhat related to this ObamaCare clusterfuck is the number of businesses that are having 'Black Friday' sales early this year. They know the supply of disposable income is drying up faster then Nancy Pelosi's complexion. Posted by: Lace Wigs at November 22, 2013 11:46 AM (UL/Aj) By the insanity of cthulhu, I thought I'd missed Thanksgiving yesterday because it sure as hell sounds like Black Friday is starting tomorrow.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 22, 2013 07:47 AM (VtjlW)

154 >What am I..., fried chicken?

Posted by: Jesse Jackson Jr. <

 

 

 

 

Chicken is   the appropriate word in your case.

Posted by: Roy at November 22, 2013 07:47 AM (VndSC)

155 from the last post, in response to Heather Speaking of Obamacare tradeoffs... I'm looking for a new doctor. I'm thinking I should look at docs affiliated with hospitals that won't take the Obamacare plans, for ease of access for my evil racist jerk with real insurance self. Anyone have any opinions on this? Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 11:14 AM (ZKzrr) This is an interesting point. I have been thinking about this a lot lately. When I was in China, I happen to get sick. Nothing too serious, just needed antibiotics, but needed them intravenously at first. The concierge of my hotel chaperoned me to a separate (for foreigners only) part of the hospital. I was the only one there. It was a huge wing, empty. They found a doctor who could speak English, then I was placed in a room which was fairly clean, and the nurse/doctor made a point to show me the syringe was in a sealed package, etc before administering the injection. But, when I had to pay, I had to walk down very long sets of corridors to a metal gate, that separated myself from the Chinese citizens. The pay "window" was on the other side of the gate. I was surrounded with folks to "protect" me, and shuffled to the pay window ahead of everyone else. It was weird and eye opening. That side of the gate was stuffed from side to side to ceiling with the sick, packed in like sardines... as I slipped back onto the other side of the gate for "foreigners."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 22, 2013 07:48 AM (IXrOn)

156 Thank you, Mama.  Shutting up now.  Time for lunch, anyway.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 07:48 AM (zF6Iw)

157 toby is CORRECT and that is why the Dems know they will NEVER lose the Senate. All those states have nice big cities that can be filled with fraudulent votes that no one will check the Census (fraudulent) paved the way. they have NO WORRY of losing any races where large cities are included - which include President and Senate

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 22, 2013 07:48 AM (EZNxq)

158 ...whereas, competency is grounds for termination... Posted by: panzernashorn ----------------------------- Bwahahahah...

Posted by: Kathy Sebelius at November 22, 2013 07:48 AM (aDwsi)

159 It's going to be a lot harder for Barky to get thousands and thousands of businesses to shut up than it was for him to coerce Lockheed in VA to break the law. You can strong-arm a few big guys but not a whole host of small to big players.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 22, 2013 07:48 AM (dfYL9)

160 "Crickets"

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 22, 2013 07:48 AM (GjPnA)

161 ObamaCare is not the hill to fight on

Posted by: Mitch The Bitch McConnell at November 22, 2013 07:49 AM (Pr6hk)

162

Barky can't delay the pricing of the 2015 plans until after the election.

#nelsonmuntz_haha

Posted by: Roy at November 22, 2013 07:50 AM (VndSC)

163 'Fairly Clean' is not how I want a hospital room.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 07:50 AM (RF4rm)

164 OT, but when the woman in front of me spun out on the icy freeway this morning, and I stopped to help turn her around, and was waving my stupid puny arms like an idiot to part the 55 mph traffic coming up behind us, it PARTED.

Like the garden hose run-off when you plant a foot in the middle of it.

Miracles happen, me droogies. Aint no reason to think they'll stop.

"So do not fear, for I am with you."

Thus endeth the proselytizing. Have a great day.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 22, 2013 07:50 AM (pj6Nr)

165 This is the time to call them out on their bs.  Get in touch with all of the insurance companies, and ask if they need another month to adjust.

Posted by: pete at November 22, 2013 07:51 AM (meg+g)

166 You can't handle the truth

Posted by: Nathan R Jessup Obama at November 22, 2013 07:51 AM (Pr6hk)

167 The insurance companies will be forced to say, "it's just a change in plans; business as usual." They'll be bullied, again, into breaking the law and NOT sending out the letters per law - they are getting paid off with subsidies, so hey, no sweat off their backs. And, the other companies that will have to drop their own plans due to the costs, or, reduce work hours, will be blamed for being cold-hearted greedy bastards. While this shitsandwich weaves into every institution in the country. Repeal is the only way. The only way. Who has the fortitude?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 22, 2013 07:51 AM (IXrOn)

168 'Fairly Clean' is not how I want a hospital room. You donÂ’t like fairness? Racist.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 22, 2013 07:51 AM (QF8uk)

169 China had best ramp up their production of pitch forks for the big box stores. I have a feeling there will be a run on them soon.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 22, 2013 07:51 AM (H84UO)

170

A  lot  of  companies  start  their  fiscal  year  in  July,  so  they'll  be  informing  their  employees  well  before  the  election. This  won't  help  the  'Rats  as  much  as  they  hope.

 

 

 

Never  doubt  that  you're  a  very  funny  guy  ace.  It's  noticed  and  appreciated.  You  weld  that  humor  like  a  straight  razor  in  a  back  alley  hobo  fight.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 22, 2013 07:51 AM (rXcBX)

171
By the insanity of cthulhu, I thought I'd missed Thanksgiving yesterday because it sure as hell sounds like Black Friday is starting tomorrow.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 22, 2013 11:47 AM (VtjlW)


I KNOW.


Many businesses are having extended Black Friday sales because Thanksgiving is so late this year.      They lose what's essentially a week's worth of revenue that they'd get if the holiday were earlier.   Christmas is less than a month away by Friday, 11/29.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:51 AM (4df7R)

172 46,

I thought the subsidy is based upon the second cheapest "silver" plan (Yes, I read the stuff on hhs.gov back in September).  If you want "Platinum" you have to pay the difference.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 22, 2013 07:52 AM (V70Uh)

173 All you wackos with your conspiracy theories

Posted by: Oliver Stone at November 22, 2013 07:52 AM (Pr6hk)

174 Don't think my company, or our health insurance provider, gives much of a shit about these childish political tricks.  They will do what they have to do according to this farked up law.  Which means DECISION (enrollment) TIME will come by September 15, 2014.

Posted by: wth at November 22, 2013 07:53 AM (wAQA5)

175 Miss Us Yet? Posted by: Unfeeling Time Traveling Robot Overlords From 2624 at November 22, 2013 11:52 AM (uvaJ1) Who? What?

Posted by: Eloi, gamboling in the fields at November 22, 2013 07:53 AM (QF8uk)

176 If you know a JFK conspiracy theorist (or if you've ever wondered yourself) here is a site that thoroughly DESTROYS the conspiracy theory industry, and rips the various conspiracies to pieces with surgical precision. But I warn you, True Believers don't want to hear it. Just had a long-time FB friend defriend me without reading it. mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm Among my favorite of the conspiracy theories, you know that photo of the Dallas cop handing the "real murder weapon" down from the roof of the TSBD? Um, yeah. Except that's clearly a shotgun. And no one has ever tried to claim that JFK was killed by a shotgun. Not only that, the shotgun in the photo happens to be the same make and model that was standard issue to Dallas police at the time. And anyone who ever watched an episode of SWAT knows that the photo depicts the exact method of handing a firearm down from an elevated position. But seriously, check out mcadams.org for the real truth. Oswald did it, alone, from the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 22, 2013 07:53 AM (7ObY1)

177
Its all about the Senate now.  He wants as many of his marxist judges in place as possible when he leaves and he doesn't want to be restricted in spending by a silly little budget.  The House is so gerrymandered it only matters in about 40 - 50 races anyhow.

All senate all the time.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2013 07:53 AM (iGPSR)

178 and the nurse/doctor made a point to show me the syringe was in a sealed package, etc before administering the injection.

Face I am making right now:
http://is.gd/FUlori

I was thinking less in terms of "keep away from the masses of unwashed!" and more in terms of "We'll be happy to see you, in four months when we've seen all these people who called yesterday for their 'free preventative care'."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 07:53 AM (ZKzrr)

179 95How many businesses have a fiscal year that runs July 1 to June 30? Because I'm going to wager it's plenty.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 22, 2013 11:36 AM (4df7R)

 

 

Very common for school districts, state and local gubments.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 22, 2013 07:53 AM (H84UO)

180 Shakil Afridi, the hero Pakistani doctor who helped the CIA pinpoint Osama bin Laden's compound ahead of the Navy SEAL raid that killed the Al Qaeda leader, has been charged with murder - for trying to save a little boy stricken with appendicitis six years ago, according to his attorney. The bizarre charge comes as international pressure mounts on Pakistan to free Afridi, who was sentenced last year to 33 years in prison for "conspiring against the state," a sanction western observers believe was a pretext to punish him for helping the U.S. Afridi executed a vaccination ruse that helped establish Bin Laden's presence in an Abbottabad compound, a development seen as embarrassing for Pakistan, which claimed not to know the world's most wanted man was living openly a stone's throw away from a military complex. Boy that obama wields some influence ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 07:53 AM (t3UFN)

181 Bob I loved your story I feel like we are on the icy highway yelling STOP to the rushing onslaught of this administration Good on you

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 07:53 AM (zOTsN)

182

Ace, you really need to start pimping your in effect by X date or sunset provision.  That is the Repubs hill to die on for the debt ceiling & funding battles in January.

 

Also, Obamacare in 3 words: Lucy chocolate factory (for you youngsters, google it)

Posted by: Joe at November 22, 2013 07:54 AM (7pOq5)

183 A one month bone thrown to those Dems up for re-election. Gee, thanks JEF... says D-Congress.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 22, 2013 07:54 AM (IXrOn)

184
Never doubt that you're a very funny guy ace. It's noticed and appreciated. You weld that humor like a straight razor   wielded by a sober    drifter    in a back alley hobo fight.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 22, 2013 11:51 AM (rXcBX)



FIFY




Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:54 AM (4df7R)

185 The notices will still be going out prior to the election Thanks for reminding me. Now, where's a microphone...

Posted by: Barky The Magical Fuckstick at November 22, 2013 07:54 AM (FcR7P)

186 I long for the day when we get a get this whatever whatever from this but mostly from that headline.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 22, 2013 11:40 AM (VtjlW)

Those were my favorites. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 22, 2013 07:54 AM (fwARV)

187 By the insanity of cthulhu, I thought I'd missed Thanksgiving yesterday because it sure as hell sounds like Black Friday is starting tomorrow. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 22, 2013 11:47 AM (VtjlW) I KNOW. Many businesses are having extended Black Friday sales because Thanksgiving is so late this year. They lose what's essentially a week's worth of revenue that they'd get if the holiday were earlier. Christmas is less than a month away by Friday, 11/29. Starts at 6:00 pm on Not-Quite-Black-Thursday

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 07:54 AM (ix+5k)

188 this is all gong to lead to violence

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 07:54 AM (t3UFN)

189 I never thought Barry would ever delay a man-date...

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 22, 2013 07:54 AM (Pr6hk)

190 Barack Obama - The Democracy of One

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2013 07:55 AM (FcR7P)

191 126 ---This is so blatant that it will backfire on them. We can use this to our advantage in races all over the country next year. "My Democrat opponent is so ashamed of what they did to you with Obamacare, that they convinced the President to postpone it until after the election. We're not that stupid, are we?" Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 22, 2013 11:42 AM (f9c2L) ------------------------------- THIS. It is widely known that Barky and the Dems LIED about Obamacare, that they didn't want people to know what it really means. The MSM cannot put that worm back in the can. The seeds of distrust are already sown and when the GOP challengers charge the Dems with deceit, it will work. IMO.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 22, 2013 07:55 AM (dfYL9)

192 Because the insurers and employers aren't going to tell their insureds and employees what's going to happen to them on November 15th until November 15th?

HAAHHHAHAHAHAHAH. They think they can unscrew the pooch. Nope. You've fucked it, Now own it. Dog fuckers.

Posted by: Mr Kook at November 22, 2013 07:55 AM (ihRMJ)

193 What business is it of Obama's if an employer wants to go on a mandate!! This is the 21st century and a man should date whoever he wants!

Posted by: Emily Litella at November 22, 2013 07:56 AM (aTXUx)

194 Very common for school districts, state and local gubments.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 22, 2013 11:53 AM (H84UO)


I know it's the case for MY state government.     


And even if a private business has a fiscal year that, say, matches the calendar year, I would HOPE they'd be planning a budget for the next fiscal year well before mid-November.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 07:56 AM (4df7R)

195 A long time ago, on an island named Parris, my beloved senior Drill Instructor accused me, Private Bill, of being a low down scumbag and, I might add , an agent of the Kremlin (followed by swift jab). Now we have a Kremlin Agent as Commander in Chief.

Posted by: Bill at November 22, 2013 07:56 AM (uvyrw)

196 Starts at 6:00 pm on Not-Quite-Black-Thursday And just who decides that it's authentically black or not?

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2013 07:56 AM (FcR7P)

197 BlueStateRebel - FWIW, I bought, and read, every word of the Warren Commission report. I could find no flaws or analysis or facts that contradict the conclusion that Oswald did it alone.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:56 AM (aDwsi)

198 and the nurse/doctor made a point to show me the syringe was in a sealed package, etc before administering the injection. Face I am making right now: http://is.gd/FUlori I was thinking less in terms of "keep away from the masses of unwashed!" and more in terms of "We'll be happy to see you, in four months when we've seen all these people who called yesterday for their 'free preventative care'." Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 11:53 AM (ZKzrr) I get what you were asking, and I'm not sure if it will be more efficient, but, I would gamble so. I just projected a possible future, as well. England is not far from what I saw in China.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 22, 2013 07:56 AM (IXrOn)

199 In other news, I can't stop looking at this photo. It's #3. http://tinyurl.com/lmlthz4

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 07:56 AM (zoehZ)

200 At this point, with so much time left, I still will not bet on there being an election.

Posted by: Kafiroon at November 22, 2013 07:56 AM (U0DWi)

201 What business is it of Obama's if an employer wants to go on a mandate!! This is the 21st century and a man should date whoever he wants! Posted by: Emily Litella -------------------- Emily, we miss you. Your rant re "Our Valuable National Race Horses" changed my life.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 07:58 AM (aDwsi)

202 I don't understand, George Clooney told me the law was settled.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 22, 2013 07:58 AM (QxSug)

203 >>>Its killing the page load rates on my Kindle. Sometime booting me all together.

this is odd and worrying, as there actually no ads at all on the comment pages.

Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 11:39 AM (Qa3Yi)


The video ads are popping up for me intermittently when using Chrome on a PC. They haven't popped up yet using Firefox on the same PC.

*

No Probs w/FF either here in the office. It seems I'm not the only one having the issue on a tablet/kindle/droid, didn't want to send Ace and Pixie on goose chase.


Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 07:58 AM (wmU4G)

204 this is all gong to lead to violence Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 11:54 AM (t3UFN) Yep. Vic pointed out the other day that this is perhaps why all the other departments have been stocking up. There was also the carefully placed fear of not being able to get food stamps. They are planting fear in the nation.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 22, 2013 07:59 AM (IXrOn)

205

Hey don't you guys remember when Mitt Romney gave that lady cancer ?

 

Wingnuts

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 22, 2013 07:59 AM (nTgAI)

206 I get the annoying video ads sometimes. I am on Firefox.

Posted by: Baldy at November 22, 2013 07:59 AM (2bql3)

207 Wow -- guys, thanks for pushing back against my completely-erroneous reading. I have rewritten the post -- hopefully now with ACCURATE information, rather than the bad information I initially foisted on you.

Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 07:59 AM (/FnUH)

208 O/T via Drudge: NYT 1995 - using the filibuster to stop Clinton judges is wrong. 2005 - "we were wrong." The Dems using the filibuster to stop Bush judges is great. 2013 - using the filibuster to stop Obama judges is wrong. 2017 - we were wrong, The Dems using the filibuster to stop Repub judges is great. You would almost think their opinion revolves solely around who is in office.

Posted by: lawdvd at November 22, 2013 07:59 AM (d3clc)

209 they have NO WORRY of losing any races where large cities are included - which include President and Senate

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 22, 2013 11:48 AM (EZNxq)

 

Yeah, 2014 and 2016 are going to be interesting, that's for sure. We'll all be living the Chicago Way by then. The transformation candidate Obama promised in 2008 is nearly complete.

 

I must admit to being surprised at how rapidly all of this has happened. One day we're living in a Republic; the next, a corrupt, authoritarian superstate.  Maybe it's because the citizenry has been conditioned over decades to accept the idea of being ruled rather than governed; I don't know.

Posted by: troyriser at November 22, 2013 08:00 AM (O66NZ)

210 Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said on a conference call organized by Karl Rove’s Crossroads organization for large donors and their advisers on Oct. 30 that the Tea Party movement, in his view, is a “nothing but a bunch of bullies” that he plans to “punch … in the nose.” On the call, according to a donor who was on it, McConnell personally named Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) as Tea Party conservatives he views as problematic for him. “The bulk of it was an attack on the Tea Party in general, Cruz in particular,” the source, a prominent donor, said in a phone interview with Breitbart News. But the most memorable line came at the end of the call. “McConnell said the Tea Party was ‘nothing but a bunch of bullies,’” the source said. “And he said ‘you know how you deal with schoolyard bullies? You punch them in the nose and that’s what we’re going to do.’” So this fuckin cock sucker is going to War with other Republicans instead of the cock sucking democrats? And people wonder why we are called the party of the stupid. Maybe oprah is right: old white men have to die?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 08:00 AM (t3UFN)

211 Blue State Rebel - if you haven't yet, read Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History.  He eviscerates the conspiracy nuts and makes the case for Oswald and only Oswald.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 08:01 AM (zF6Iw)

212 Isn't 'initially foisted' redundant?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:01 AM (aDwsi)

213 209 Wow -- guys, thanks for pushing back against my completely-erroneous reading.

I have rewritten the post -- hopefully now with ACCURATE information, rather than the bad information I initially foisted on you. Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 11:59 AM

Happens to me all the time

Posted by: Thomas Friedman at November 22, 2013 08:01 AM (aTXUx)

214 I don't understand, George Clooney told me the law was settled.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 22, 2013 11:58 AM (QxSug)

**


The prudent thing to do at this point is wait until Antonio A'bandaros weighs in on the issue.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 08:01 AM (wmU4G)

215  Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 11:53 AM (zOTsN)

We just gotta keep on keepin' on, my friend. Help will come in unexpected ways. I really believe we're on the verge of something wonderful.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 22, 2013 08:01 AM (pj6Nr)

216 Wow -- guys, thanks for pushing back against my completely-erroneous reading.

I have rewritten the post -- hopefully now with ACCURATE information, rather than the bad information I initially foisted on you.

Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 11:59 AM (/FnUH)



The article itself is written in such an awkward fashion, it's hard to really get what the hell they're talking about on first blush.   But thanks, ace!      It's a lot clearer now.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 08:01 AM (4df7R)

217

Has anybody, anywhere saved the $2500 promised by Obama?

 

Posted by: Max Entropy at November 22, 2013 08:01 AM (QKYRm)

218 I hear your wingnut complaints. Therefore I'm going to allow the elections to happen AFTER November 15. We'll get back to you with the exact date. This will give you more time to form your opinions about Obamacare.

Posted by: Barky The Indonesian Carpet Salesman at November 22, 2013 08:02 AM (FcR7P)

219 If you know a JFK conspiracy theorist The Good Ex BF's brother made up this conspiracy theory about how it was Ma Bell that killed Kennedy. It was very very convincing indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 22, 2013 08:02 AM (VtjlW)

220 I'm sorry I blew the story so badly. I've anticipated the delay of the employer mandate so hard that I just completely misread this article as vindicating that prediction. Naked truth. Humility. How refreshing. The reason I come here. Again and again. But, I must go exercise now! bbs

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 22, 2013 08:02 AM (IXrOn)

221 >>Has anybody, anywhere saved the $2500 promised by Obama?

Posted by: Max Entropy <<

 

 

 

 

Nope - but Ben Benanke "created" $2500 out of thin air. In a few milliseconds.

Posted by: Roy at November 22, 2013 08:03 AM (VndSC)

222 Nevergiveup I think this is what Rove meant in his meeting with Nip Slip. They are stacking the primaries to crush the tea party candidates. No more Cruz's, only Dewhursts

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:03 AM (zOTsN)

223

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said on a conference call organized by Karl Rove’s Crossroads organization for large donors and their advisers on Oct. 30 that the Tea Party movement, in his view, is a “nothing but a bunch of bullies” that he plans to “punch … in the nose.”

 

Nothing I can say that wouldn't earn me a lifetime ban.

 

The GOP needs to die.  NOW.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 08:03 AM (zF6Iw)

224 219 Max Entropy at November 22, 2013 12:01 PM (QKYRm)

I'm certain there is *some* idiot who paid for a shoestring program that was qualified for Medicaid...

"er uh ah uh"

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:03 AM (9jfyN)

225 Each postponement enables that much more corruption AND incompetency to rule. A point to reiterate persistently? On March 23, 2010, President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act. For more than three years, Obama's administration has the time to provide what all that ACA is. And STILL, they are fucking, waiting, waiting, postponing, at the citizenry's massive financial/medical loss. Without giving any American medical treatment, ACA is already costing each citizen $[ ] -- for NOTHING beyond selling/providing your personal information to identity fraud scams. ACA isn't a game of tiddlywinks.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 08:03 AM (MhA4j)

226 @209 We love you ace

Posted by: gwelf at November 22, 2013 08:03 AM (TJ8HB)

227

thanks for pushing back against my completely-erroneous reading.

 

 

As long as the jokes still land, I wouldn't worry about facts.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 08:03 AM (RF4rm)

228 Bob's House:  Good on you for helping your fellow motorist!   As one who has spun out  on occasion myself, I'm sure she was grateful for the help. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 08:03 AM (4df7R)

229 I sent the following to the Bloomberg Reporter writing the story:
--
From: mick@dlxmail.com
To: ALEX WAYNE (BLOOMBERG/ NEWSROOM
Subject: How interesting....


..that you can write a story as if the reason for Obama to delay the start of next year's insurance signups is "to give the insurers more time".  It could not be a more transparent political move, and you don't even mention it.

Don't insult my intelligence.
--

He responded saying "Watch for updates." Indeed they did update the story to note the political motive.

Posted by: Con Reeder at November 22, 2013 08:04 AM (n5PpX)

230 >>The Good Ex BF's brother made up this conspiracy theory about how it was Ma Bell that killed Kennedy. It was very very convincing indeed. I've been trying to tell people about the phone cops...

Posted by: Johnny F. in Cincinnati at November 22, 2013 08:04 AM (SUKHu)

231

NYT 1995 - using the filibuster to stop Clinton judges is wrong.

 

 
2005 - "we were wrong." The Dems using the filibuster to stop Bush judges is great.

 


2013 - using the filibuster to stop Obama judges is wrong.

 


2017 - we were wrong, The Dems using the filibuster to stop Repub judges is great.



You would almost think their opinion revolves solely around who is in office.

 

Isn't that    kinda psychotic?  Just a little bit?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 08:04 AM (0HooB)

232 225 Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said on a conference call organized by Karl Rove’s Crossroads organization for large donors and their advisers on Oct. 30 that the Tea Party movement, in his view, is a “nothing but a bunch of bullies” that he plans to “punch … in the nose.” --- Po-tay-to, po-dil-do...

Posted by: Sterling Archer at November 22, 2013 08:04 AM (/Crba)

233 225 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 12:03 PM (zF6Iw)

Steady...unless they pass Amigo Grande prior to 2014 we can wait until 2016 to engage in plan B...

that said yeah Moock MacDonald champion dam builder is about to join Ms Lindsey Graham-McCain on the fuck you seat and be a project for primary games.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:04 AM (9jfyN)

234 Part Nero, part Akhenaten , part fucking Erkle.


There are aliens laughing in space.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 22, 2013 08:05 AM (FMbng)

235 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 22, 2013 11:28 AM (4df7R)

They have already admitted that "insurancin'" is hard.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 22, 2013 08:05 AM (gHDMy)

236

But, I must go exercise now!
bbs

 

 

Don't forget to turn on the webcam, first.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 08:05 AM (RF4rm)

237 Has anybody, anywhere saved the $2500 promised by Obama?

Posted by: Max Entropy at November 22, 2013 12:01 PM (QKYRm)



Even if I had I'd have blown it all on chocolate and crochet hooks by now, to combat my depression at living in a country full of so many stupid people.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 08:05 AM (4df7R)

238 219 Has anybody, anywhere saved the $2500 promised by Obama? Posted by: Max Entropy at November 22, 2013 12:01 PM (QKYRm) His take on GW's Tax Rebate.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 08:06 AM (MhA4j)

239 Poppin Fresh, get this, thinks the delay is a big nothingburger.
 
He'll make a great spokesperson for increased toilet paper rations at the camps.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 08:06 AM (cHZB7)

240 I agree that Obama is not done futzing with The Law in order to mitigate the political damage to Democrats.

Posted by: gwelf at November 22, 2013 08:06 AM (TJ8HB)

241 "I'm sorry I blew the story so badly. I've anticipated the delay of the employer mandate so hard that I just completely misread this article as vindicating that prediction." I wouldn't say your initial post was wrong; I'd say it was "premature." Just save it and re-post the when the employer mandate delay hits. 1/24/14 is my prediction. We should start a pool.

Posted by: lawdvd at November 22, 2013 08:07 AM (d3clc)

242 OK, this is completely O/T, but I was just thinking about the plan to answer HQ  reader questions  on the next podcast.  Just imagine Ace or Gabe saying, "and our next question is from Charlie Brown's Dildo. . ."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 08:07 AM (zF6Iw)

243 POS should have moved the mandate out seven weeks, just to show people he could.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 08:07 AM (QA8q2)

244 You know, we rant and we wave and Ace and the cobs present the facts, but is anyone listening. We are the choir morons and moronetts and though I love the sermons, I just want to know if we are that low information voter is getting the message.

Posted by: TheOtherJay at November 22, 2013 08:07 AM (nojhZ)

245 241 GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 12:06 PM (cHZB7)

I don't know if you noticed I am a lot calmer....in part because of Searchlight's overreach...

we'll know by the new year if there is a majority opposition in intent party in America.

My money is on "no"

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:07 AM (9jfyN)

246 True Fact : The Kenyan Calendar has 13 months.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 08:07 AM (RF4rm)

247 Ace, the point of the story is still valid even if the details were mixed

With insurance companies trying to hold off the Death Spiral, massive increases in premiums for 2015 will be coming to cover the lack of healthy overpaying buyers

The Dems don't want to face voters who were already pissed that their premiums went up from $400 to $800 per month no matter what shiny nice things the new policies are supposed to do. To then face voters when their $800 policy is going to cost them $1800 isn't going to be mitigated by massive tv advertising about Republicans taking tampons away from wymyn

Posted by: kbdabear at November 22, 2013 08:08 AM (aTXUx)

248 I'm not having ad issues in the comments, but the front page has been unscrollable on my Kindle for a couple of weeks now. (I kvetched about it earlier in the week, in the event anyone pays attention to such.)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, upholstering his throne of skulls at November 22, 2013 08:08 AM (naUcP)

249

Time to read again.

What I saw at the coup.

http://tinyurl.com/9592nav


 

Posted by: drowningpuppies at November 22, 2013 08:08 AM (012vu)

250 Someone leaked Mc Connells threat. Good luck Miss Lindsey

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:08 AM (zOTsN)

251 I've been trying to tell people about the phone cops... Posted by: Johnny F. in Cincinnati ----------------- And....., that's why I love this site.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 08:09 AM (aDwsi)

252 245 Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 12:07 PM (QA8q2)

My personal favorite example of the press' cognitive dissonance on this is Ogabe being all powerful and able to wrangle law on the fly but NOT being responsible for the SCOAMFCARE's Rube Goldberg nature...

Heckuva job media

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:09 AM (9jfyN)

253 TFG approval at 33 percent.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:10 AM (fWAjv)

254 209 Wow -- guys, thanks for pushing back against my completely-erroneous reading. I have rewritten the post -- hopefully now with ACCURATE information, rather than the bad information I initially foisted on you. Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 11:59 AM (/FnUH) Ok, now I'm REALLY confused...(as opposed to my normal state of confusion). "But re-reading the article more carefully, I see that this move applies to enrollment in the Obamcare exchanges. So it applies to the individual market." Unless I'm misreading your update....it applies to the individual market only insomuch as employers drop coverage and force employees into the individual market.... From your link at Hot Air: However, this misses the real risk for the White House, which isn’t in the individual market in 2015.The people in that market will have been battered all year with higher premiums and ridiculous deductibles, and another round of escalation in both will only have a limited shock value. The risk is in the employer-provided group market, where costs will either skyrocket or employees will get kicked out of their coverage and forced into the individual market. Those decisions will come in the late summer or early fall, as businesses have to prepare 2015 budgets in those time frames. By the time the standard October 1 open enrollment date hits for those consumers, the enormous impact of ObamaCare will be well known — even if they can’t access price information in the individual exchanges. When tens of millions of Americans get handed huge price increases or get pushed out of their group coverage altogether at that point, the outrage and political meltdown will dwarf whatever pricing changes take place in the individual markets.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 22, 2013 08:10 AM (bCEmE)

255 248 True Fact : The Kenyan Calendar has 13 months. Seems to me that I also heard something about the Greeks working around an inability to raise the pay of gummint workers by paying them for 13 months a year.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 22, 2013 08:10 AM (U82Km)

256 Whenever Ace makes a correction to a post, we should get  some Cake Girl..

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 08:11 AM (RF4rm)

257 True Fact : The Kenyan Calendar has 13 months. Is each page just a picture of a full moon?

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2013 08:11 AM (FcR7P)

258 Oops. Obamacare approval at 33 percent.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:11 AM (fWAjv)

259 I'd love it if either Cruz or Lee would walk up to McConnell and say, "So I'm a bully  who needs to be punched?  OK, nickelfucker, take your best shot.  But you only get one."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 08:11 AM (zF6Iw)

260 246 TheOtherJay at November 22, 2013 12:07 PM (nojhZ)

Maybe we should produce an AoSHQ Community Access Show with donor button hits to be distributed across the nation?

We are limited by the tools at hand...

last time I checked several of the COBs are slowly getting mainstream love.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:11 AM (9jfyN)

261 "Mama AJ
Nobody has been fired for incompetence.

...whereas, competency is grounds for termination..."

The Soviets feared and hated scientists and engineers.  They made things.  Created things.  They could do things that politicians and the KGB couldn't.  That's why there were First Circle camps in the GuLag.

Posted by: mrp at November 22, 2013 08:14 AM (HjPtV)

262 Oops. Obamacare approval at 33 percent. Vote for us and we'll make SURE you get your Obamacare!! ...says no Democrat in 2014.

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2013 08:14 AM (FcR7P)

263 Whenever Ace makes a correction to a post, we should get some Cake Girl.. an angel gets it's wings.....

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 08:14 AM (ix+5k)

264 247 >> I don't know if you noticed I am a lot calmer....in part because of Searchlight's overreach...
 
Yes, I have noticed, and I like the new sven Model10077-A betterer. Moar coherence, less ranting.
 
Not that I'm immune to a little ranting myself.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 08:14 AM (cHZB7)

265 last time I checked several of the COBs are slowly getting mainstream love.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 12:11 PM (9jfyN)

 

 

 

They're  going  hetro?

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 22, 2013 08:14 AM (rXcBX)

266 261 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 12:11 PM (zF6Iw)

Like I said if the GOP wants to earn my vote they can show disgust and rage at donk overreach...

if they want to "show me" what a Tea Partyless GOP can look like I am game.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:14 AM (9jfyN)

267 >>>John Eekdahl

Everyone else here may have missed this, but I got it. And I laughed.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2013 08:14 AM (18OPg)

268 True Fact. JFK was a drug addict and a rapist. News at 11.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 08:15 AM (0FSuD)

269 Kudos on the   rewrite, Ace. You could teach the MFM a thing or three about accuracy  and honesty.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 08:15 AM (0HooB)

270 I don't understand.
If Obamacare is so awesome, why does Obama keep delaying it?

Posted by: looking closely at November 22, 2013 08:15 AM (6Q9g2)

271 266 GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 12:14 PM (cHZB7)

The GOP has about 9 months to convince me it is worthy of my vote and money and survival...

failing that I am at peace, and I have a plan for a rally point beyond Obama and the Watermelon Cult's reach.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:16 AM (9jfyN)

272 Whenever Ace makes a correction to a post, we should get some Cake Girl.. we should get the shaved alpacas[./i]


FIFY

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 08:16 AM (4df7R)

273 Last I heard, he is going to issue an EO moving the midterm elections to February 29,      2015

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 08:16 AM (QA8q2)

274 267 Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 22, 2013 12:14 PM (rXcBX)

I wouldn't go *that* far, Glee is mainstream these days right?

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:16 AM (9jfyN)

275 just in case there are shaved alpacas in the barrel.

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2013 08:17 AM (FcR7P)

276 X wife just got an email, Blue Cross automatically renewing her old policy with a rate increase. She's so happy Obama helped her.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 08:17 AM (0FSuD)

277 Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 22, 2013 12:05 PM (FMbng) He won the Nobel Piece Price for his role playing King Belshazzar. Problem being, he's taking us all down with him. And idiots are clamoring for their take of the booty when already we're all thrown into the black hole. mene, mene, tekel, parsin. God has numbered the days of his reign and brought it to an end. He has been weighed on the scales and found wanting. His kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians. Damn whoever says that I or that good people anywhere deserve the likes of token Obama.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 22, 2013 08:17 AM (MhA4j)

278 I don't understand.
If Obamacare is so awesome, why does Obama keep delaying it?

Posted by: looking closely at November 22, 2013 12:15 PM (6Q9g2)

 

 

 

 

If  there  was  an  opposition  party  you  make  an  effective  ad  out  of  that.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 22, 2013 08:17 AM (rXcBX)

279 >>>OK, this is completely O/T, but I was just thinking about the plan to answer HQ reader questions on the next podcast. Just imagine Ace or Gabe saying, "and our next question is from Charlie Brown's Dildo. . ."

**


Next up...



Mike Hunt in Manasses, Va would like to put us dome fookin knowledge...


Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 08:17 AM (wmU4G)

280 275 Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 12:16 PM (QA8q2)

The only polling place in the country is on the corner of Goto Avenue and Hell Street.....

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:17 AM (9jfyN)

281 "... there actually no ads at all on the comment pages." A condition the right business manager can remedy, which, after fees, expenses and profit would leave you with a small, though not insignificant, cut.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 08:17 AM (u2a4R)

282 Uh.... are not these dates in the Law??? Ergo, are not State Insurance commissioners still bound by these Dates??? Because they are not changing the Law itself? And further, are not STATE Insurance commissioners still bound by the original Employer Mandate? Wonder what would happen if someone sued the STATE commissioners, in STATE Court, to force them to uphold the written law? As these changes put some companies and people at a Business disadvantage, which does cause harm?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 22, 2013 08:18 AM (lZBBB)

283 *crickets*

Posted by: It's the LAAAW Crowd at November 22, 2013 08:18 AM (j0wOO)

284 Let's just make shit up!! Obamacare ‏@obamacare 20 Nov Sign up for health insurance on the marketplace and save $10,000 a year? Nice!

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:18 AM (fWAjv)

285 OT congrats BBoy!

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u]KG at November 22, 2013 08:18 AM (p7BzH)

286 50 to 100 million policies from employers will be dropped. End of the fiscal year is October 31. These yearly business plans will go forward as planned. They have a legal obligation to do so, especially if they have shareholders. He can delay enrollment, but he cannot delay the announcement by businesses to employees what ACA does to their plans No way to undo this unless JEF "orders" the insurance companies not to drop employer provided insurance plans Which is not legal, as they are mostly public companies, with their own business plans How would this work? What am I not seeing?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:19 AM (zOTsN)

287 Thank you, Ace, for the great idea, though!  I'll get right on it.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at November 22, 2013 08:19 AM (1I4sj)

288 I'm certain there is *some* idiot who paid for a shoestring program that was qualified for Medicaid...

That woman in yesterday's WSJ article who was paying her own way, then went shopping for insurance and got enrolled in Medicaid against her will.

But I wouldn't call her an idiot.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 08:19 AM (ZKzrr)

289 >>John Eekdahl I'd missed that. Someone should point it out to him on Twitter.

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 22, 2013 08:19 AM (SUKHu)

290 Some business owner on Greta made an interesting point. Paying the fine is the ONLY option that allows a business to plan for and project their future costs.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 22, 2013 08:19 AM (9Bdcz)

291 I don't think anyone here is naive enough to think that this one month delay is set in stone. Zero will fuck around with this continually till after the 2016 elections. I would gladly spend the rest of my life in prison for the opportunity to..... hold on. Someone's at the door. BRB

Posted by: Barkow at November 22, 2013 08:20 AM (sBZME)

292 Last I heard, he is going to issue an EO moving the midterm elections to February 29, 2015

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 12:16 PM (QA8q2)



I heard he was going to move them back to    November 8, 2016.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 08:20 AM (4df7R)

293 Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 12:17 PM (wmU4G) Manasses, VA Nice one.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:20 AM (fWAjv)

294 Wonder what would happen if someone sued the STATE commissioners, in STATE Court, to force them to uphold the written law? As these changes put some companies and people at a Business disadvantage, which does cause harm? #nostanding Because Shut Up!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 08:20 AM (ix+5k)

295 OT, but when the woman in front of me spun out on the icy freeway this morning, and I stopped to help turn her around, and was waving my stupid puny arms like an idiot to part the 55 mph traffic coming up behind us, it PARTED.

Oh, that was YOU?

Nice job and all, but you left out the part about how your pants were around your ankles.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 22, 2013 08:21 AM (SY2Kh)

296 Oddly enough Nov 15 is the last day of my company's benefits enrollment period. Any changes have to be made prior to that date so we will know the extra cost long before then. We are self insured so I'm not sure how we might be effected.
At this point in time I am only still working because of the benefits.

Posted by: Javems at November 22, 2013 08:21 AM (nTgAI)

297 "Why do we even need to have elections"

Posted by: X Gov Bev Perdue, D, NC at November 22, 2013 08:21 AM (0FSuD)

298 290 HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 12:19 PM (ZKzrr)

I'd call her noble, except the ship seems to have sailed on people showing the character to pay their own way in this nation.

My point is there is a pretty big swath of Upper Lower class, lower middle who sit out the money games donkey plays.

After the bankruptcy wife and I probably qualified for Foodstamps...

never took em.

Medicaid is the same thing basically just a different subsidy paradigm.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:22 AM (9jfyN)

299

Thanks, KG.

 

I have a whole week to celebrate. *taps chin*  What to do...what to do...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 08:22 AM (0HooB)

300 "I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won't hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover. I really hope that someone can agree with me on that," Perdue said. "You want people who don't worry about the next election."

Posted by: X Gov Bev Perdue, D, NC at November 22, 2013 08:23 AM (0FSuD)

301

I don't understand.
If Obamacare is so awesome, why does Obama keep delaying it?

 

Because you dirty  Republicans   keep trying to sabotage it.  

Posted by: Obama at November 22, 2013 08:23 AM (m2CN7)

302 YES WE CAN!... Just make shit up as we go along. I HOPE no one notices that it's illegal for me to unilaterally CHANGE the law!

Posted by: Barack Obama, Chairman of GM and Inventor of the Volt at November 22, 2013 08:23 AM (j0wOO)

303 #12 Has Boehner done one fucking iota of pushback against the JEF usurping the law writing role of Congress? If he has it's being completely ignored. I keep wanting to find something to make me believe he's not a worthlessly weeping pile of shit, but I got nothing.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 22, 2013 08:23 AM (v0ewh)

304 "Why do we even need to have elections" Posted by: X Gov Bev Perdue, D, NC at November 22, 2013 12:21 PM (0FSuD) Well Power does come out of the barrel of a gun after all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 08:23 AM (t3UFN)

305 230 Bob's House: Good on you for helping your fellow motorist! As one who has spun out on occasion myself, I'm sure she was grateful for the help.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 22, 2013 12:03 PM (4df7R)


Naw, I'm a worthless, divorced, functionally alcoholic debt-ridden pile of nothing, and had my car been demolished, the world would only be out $800 of formerly working scrap-metal. But I'm slowly starting to listen to the still, small voice.


Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 22, 2013 08:24 AM (pj6Nr)

306 It not just ACA, he cannot waive the fiduciary duty of a public companies executives to its shareholders. He has to have multitudes of laws be ignored, broken, or not enforced for this to work

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:24 AM (zOTsN)

307 I have a whole week to celebrate. *taps chin* What to do...what to do... Hobo hunt!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 08:24 AM (ix+5k)

308 Middle-class wingnuts, we can fix this easily and get you on your way: How much wealth have you built up over the years? THAT's how much your healthcare will cost. We can do it in a lump sum or the installment plan. Either way, that's what we're after.

Posted by: Baraka Hussein I at November 22, 2013 08:24 AM (FcR7P)

309 he cannot waive the fiduciary duty of a public companies executives to its shareholders.

Go ask the GM bondholders about that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 08:25 AM (ZKzrr)

310 My good friend Gov Perdue has made and excellent suggestion, that we postpone elections. By executive order I have canceled the 2014 elections, and I know my new District Appeals Court will agree with me.

Posted by: Barry, Chom leader at November 22, 2013 08:25 AM (0FSuD)

311 It not just ACA, he cannot waive the fiduciary duty of a public companies executives to its shareholders. He has to have multitudes of laws be ignored, broken, or not enforced for this to work Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 12:24 PM (zOTsN) I got this.

Posted by: Eric Holder, holding a fresh stack of blank lawsuit forms at November 22, 2013 08:26 AM (j0wOO)

312 Could we please avoid using the words "naked" and "Obama" in the same post?


KTHNXBI

Posted by: tcn at November 22, 2013 08:26 AM (3kDQa)

313 "...the ship seems to have sailed on people showing the character to pay their own way in this nation." People, including democrats, love paying their own way. It just depends on if you give them the money to pay it. Democrats found that out with EBT cards and direct cash payments. If we pushed a component of the HSAs with accounts prefunded for the poor, they would be more inclined to vote our way. Poor people like being treated like customers too.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 08:26 AM (u2a4R)

314 I think @310 is the truth of it.

Posted by: Clownf*cker at November 22, 2013 08:26 AM (kZVsz)

315 It would probably be easier for him to walk on water than to make the entire insurance industry ignore the law and regulations as written.

Posted by: USA at November 22, 2013 08:26 AM (VIaw0)

316 Folks, a little problem with the website. Kind of embarrassing, but subsidies are only reaching my Democrat constituents. Promise we'll get that fixed after the elections.

Posted by: Baraka Hussein I at November 22, 2013 08:26 AM (FcR7P)

317 311 he cannot waive the fiduciary duty of a public companies executives to its shareholders. Go ask the GM bondholders about that. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 12:25 PM (ZKzrr) ------------------------------------------ Indeed. But doing it with one company is a lot easier than doing it with hundreds of them.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 22, 2013 08:26 AM (dfYL9)

318 310 Baraka Hussein I at November 22, 2013 12:24 PM (FcR7P)

Quite...no I get it Barry really...

Any guy who "just borrows sugar off of Billy Ayers*" is pretty easy to understand.

I'll know within 12 months whether to start liquidating my US assets and buying Canadian parcels of land in each of my family members' names.

So there's that.

* oh and had the guy ghost write Schemes of Mah Daddy

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:26 AM (9jfyN)

319 osted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 12:17 PM (wmU4G)

Manasses, VA


Nice one.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 12:20 PM (fWAjv)

**



Annual trips to Myrtle Beach prohibit me from ever forgetting the RT95 drive by that provided an hours worht of jokes for 4 drunkin morons.


 

Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 08:26 AM (wmU4G)

320 "...he cannot waive the fiduciary duty of a public companies executives to its shareholders." Really? Now you tell us.

Posted by: GM Shareholders at November 22, 2013 08:27 AM (j0wOO)

321 My good friend Gov Perdue has made and excellent suggestion, that we postpone elections. -------------------- Hell, if I can do it, you can do it...

Posted by: Nicolas Maduro at November 22, 2013 08:27 AM (aDwsi)

322 Venezuela's new dictator is waving his dick around. What's bad for Caracas is good for Miami.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 08:28 AM (ZPrif)

323 Annual trips to Myrtle Beach prohibit me from ever forgetting the RT95 drive by that provided an hours worht of jokes for 4 drunkin morons. Posted by: dananjcon at November 22, 2013 12:26 PM (wmU4G) Live 10 minutes from it. (At first I was going to correct your spelling, but then ISWYDT.)

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2013 08:28 AM (fWAjv)

324 Could we please avoid using the words "naked" and "Obama" in the same post?

http://is.gd/nNg6un

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 08:28 AM (ZKzrr)

325 I think these "fixes" will be about as effective as the launch. They simply do not understand business. I predict this little stunt will fail. Miserably. And be campaigned on If we are now a banana republic do I at least get a cocktail with a little umbrella in it?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:28 AM (zOTsN)

326 if people are just reading through it, like skipping the words with their eyes, as unnecessary filler.

I missed it this time until it came up in the comments.  It's one of those easy to speak very tough to write things.  Vs. Serious you guys or and The Middle Class although the caps may make those work.  FORTRAN is a lot easier to write.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 08:28 AM (DL2i+)

327 Go ask the GM bondholders about that. Posted by: HeatherRadish� needs a beer at November 22, 2013 12:25 PM (ZKzrr) ------------------------------------------ Indeed. But doing it with one company is a lot easier than doing it with hundreds of them. Thousands.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 08:29 AM (ix+5k)

328 This is going to get worse before it gets any better. Speaking Truth to Power or some fucking nonsense.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 08:29 AM (0FSuD)

329 Ssssssssssssssssssss...

Posted by: The Fuse on the Employer Mandate Bomb at November 22, 2013 08:29 AM (8ZskC)

330 315 jwest at November 22, 2013 12:26 PM (u2a4R)

One day when i am in a far calmer mood you and I are going to have a nice long chat about wealth and sound economics....

here's a hint we're in a 17 trillion foot deep ditch right now....

"pay your own way" does not translate into "free shit for all" champ.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:29 AM (9jfyN)

331 #94 I've subscribed to the WSJ since the mid 70s but I'm letting it lapse when it runs out. The editorial page has gone from being a voice for conservative principles to being a shill for crony capitalism.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 22, 2013 08:29 AM (v0ewh)

332 Palate cleanser.
http://is.gd/hfkWnk

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 08:29 AM (ZKzrr)

333 Thunder, what did Mitch say?

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 08:29 AM (CMlD4)

334 Has Boehner done one fucking iota of pushback against the JEF usurping the law writing role of Congress? If he has it's being completely ignored. I keep wanting to find something to make me believe he's not a worthlessly weeping pile of shit, but I got nothing.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 22, 2013 12:23 PM (v0ewh)


He's less than that. Not sure what worth a weeping pile of shit has, but its a few orders of magnitude higher than boehner.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Div at November 22, 2013 08:30 AM (FMbng)

335 If we are now a banana republic do I at least get a cocktail with a little umbrella in it?


I'll try one of those red-headed Yolandas.

Posted by: Sen. Geary at November 22, 2013 08:31 AM (8ZskC)

336 I've subscribed to the WSJ since the mid 70s but I'm letting it lapse when it runs out. The editorial page has gone from being a voice for conservative principles to being a shill for crony capitalism. Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 22, 2013 12:29 PM (v0ewh) So what else is even close to intelligent? The Best of the Web and Mary A are worth the price of the sub.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 08:31 AM (0FSuD)

337 This is away bigger than GM and these employees are prolly not union

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:31 AM (zOTsN)

338 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 22, 2013 12:28 PM (ZKzrr)

Not goin' there, either, darlin'.

Posted by: tcn at November 22, 2013 08:31 AM (3kDQa)

339 If we pushed a component of the HSAs with accounts prefunded for the poor, they would be more inclined to vote our way. Poor people like being treated like customers too.

Posted by: jwest

Especially if they could use those HSA funds to buy cigarettes

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 08:31 AM (CMlD4)

340 BB, congrats!

Radish, that link is wicked. BTW, did you make it through the bee without slapping anyone?

Posted by: Retread at November 22, 2013 08:32 AM (G+w7R)

341 341 Jean at November 22, 2013 12:31 PM (CMlD4)

or Bling for their Obamafo!

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:33 AM (9jfyN)

342 If we pushed a component of the HSAs with accounts prefunded for the poor, they would be more inclined to vote our way. Poor people like being treated like customers too.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 12:26 PM (u2a4R)

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People    on welfare aren't customers, they are     free riders.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 08:34 AM (QA8q2)

343 O/T The NY Slime is so full of shit. Dallas stigmatized by Kennedy death? WTF. They have to stop letting Commies visit? I guess Obama isn't coming back. Slime link. http://tinyurl.com/lkseour

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 08:34 AM (0FSuD)

344 "pay your own way" does not translate into "free shit for all" champ. Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 12:29 PM (9jfyN) Just to bring you back to reality.... Healthcare for the poor is either paid for directly from the government to the provider (Medicaid) or Paid by the government to the insurance company then to the provider (Obamacare) or Paid into an HSA account for direct payment from the poor person to the provider with an incentive to use the lowest cost provider so that they can receive a portion of the amount left over each year (jwestCare) Which is the best option?

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 08:34 AM (u2a4R)

345 Manful own-ups like Ace's correction above are a major reason I rely on this site for news.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at November 22, 2013 08:34 AM (FHNka)

346 McConnell said he was going to punch the tea party in the nose because they are bullys

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:35 AM (zOTsN)

347 Manful own-ups like Ace's correction above are a major reason I rely on this site for news.


Ditto.  If only the New York Times had the same integrity.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 22, 2013 08:35 AM (8ZskC)

348 344 Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 12:34 PM (QA8q2)

Well we're all gonna be on welfare soon...

look even the lib kids in the 80s when I was growing up got the failure of the British post WW2 "tax everyone 110% and put everyone on welfare" paradigm....

there's a generation and a half of kids who think perpetual motion economics is not just real but "justice"

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:36 AM (9jfyN)

349 Which is the best option?

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 12:34 PM (u2a4R)

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The best option is COD.  No pay, no service.  Second best option is a lien on all patients until the debt is paid.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 08:36 AM (QA8q2)

350

Thanks,  Retread.

 

The   previous   post got bumped on top of this one.    I'm so confused...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 22, 2013 08:36 AM (0HooB)

351 346 jwest at November 22, 2013 12:34 PM (u2a4R)

A free market and elimination of 100% subsidy....

next?

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:37 AM (9jfyN)

352

One of right-wing hate radio’s loudest and most poisonous voices was conducting an embarrassing public feud with our press secretary. The President had trapped himself in a seeming contradiction. The video and audio were both damning, and one must admit, very funny—if one’s goal was to make the President look and sound like a liar and a fool. The Youtube videos were getting millions of hits; the TV comics were not letting it go. We had been knocked completely off message, the optics were horrible, and our favorability ratings were collapsing at a crucial moment. (It seems like an ice-age ago when such trivialities actually mattered to me.)

I said something offhandedly to Dennis. “I just wish we could get rid of those bastards, once and for all.”

He stared at me for a long time, chewing on his second BLT sandwich until the Navy steward retreated from range, and then he said, “Actually, Jacinda, there is sort of a plan for that.”

“What do you mean, ‘a plan for that’?”

http://tinyurl.com/9592nav

Posted by: drowningpuppies at November 22, 2013 08:38 AM (012vu)

353 351 Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 12:36 PM (QA8q2)

Heh nice timing....

yeah damn that free market...why it is not like we can ever have the Feds NOT be an 1800 pound gorilla on price and availability... "never"

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:38 AM (9jfyN)

354 “McConnell said the Tea Party was ‘nothing but a bunch of bullies,’” the source said. “And he said ‘you know how you deal with schoolyard bullies? You punch them in the nose and that’s what we’re going to do.’”

http://tinyurl.com/mcsdeoj

Never forget. This is your GOP, fighting the good fight for conservative principles.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 22, 2013 08:38 AM (8ZskC)

355 Ewwwweee... just had a thought... The Constitution : The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, Republic from Websters: b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law Note, governing according to LAW.... Obama is telling States to NOT enforce the law as written... ergo, to NOT Govern by LAW... Ergo, telling them NOT to be a Republican form of Government....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 22, 2013 08:38 AM (lZBBB)

356 356 Cicero (@cicero) at November 22, 2013 12:38 PM (8ZskC)

You'd think the fuckheads would grasp all their "moderation" does is give donkey permission to bolt left.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:39 AM (9jfyN)

357 "A free market and elimination of 100% subsidy.... next?" So you're going to let doe-eyed little poor children die in the streets? That will go over well on the networks. Did you ever stop to think that if you said something like that to anyone in the press, you would be the new Todd Akin of the right?

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 08:39 AM (u2a4R)

358 You know what is really depressing? I am starting to think I am a rich Cuban in 1960 just getting ready to be lead to the camps after they have taken all my money. I never thought I would be that depressed. At least the Cubans could come to the USA. Where the fuck do we go?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 08:40 AM (0FSuD)

359 359 jwest at November 22, 2013 12:39 PM (u2a4R)

Charity is charity, and States can come up with solutions.

I may be the new Tard Akin but sport you're aiding the destruction of the American economy and health system.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:41 AM (9jfyN)

360 360 Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 12:40 PM (0FSuD)

Don't be depressed be driven to wargame and plan.

I meant what I typed I am strongly pondering buying land in Canada and Belize.

Look at the battlescape and make your choices.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:42 AM (9jfyN)

361 Re:JWest And right on cue he brings up abortion. Next, he will claim conservatives won't shut up about social issues Even though he brought it up Nearly 400 posts and no mention of abortion until him

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:42 AM (zOTsN)

362 So you're going to let doe-eyed little poor children die in the streets? That will go over well on the networks.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 12:39 PM (u2a4R)

 

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I couldn't care less what is on the networks.  Do the poor have a right to an automobile?  Why not?  Do the poor have a right to a house?  Why not?  Do the poor have a right to have car   repairs paid for by my tax dollars?  Why not? 

 

The way to resolve health care is right in front of you.  Charge everyone for the service.  They either pay it up front, have their insurance carrier guarantee the debt, or have a lien taken out, just like any other     major expense.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 22, 2013 08:43 AM (QA8q2)

363 The rush to tyranny has begun.

When does he take over the electronics stores? I need a new receiver.

Posted by: PJ at November 22, 2013 08:43 AM (ZWaLo)

364 It's his nature. Like a tic

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:44 AM (zOTsN)

365 "Charity is charity, and States can come up with solutions." That's almost as good as: "Are there no workhouses? Let them die then and decrease the surplus population." Both would get just about the same number of voters.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 08:44 AM (u2a4R)

366

So you're going to let doe-eyed little poor children die in the streets? That will go over well on the networks.

Did you ever stop to think that if you said something like that to anyone in the press, you would be the new Todd Akin of the right?

 

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 12:39 PM (u2a4R)

 

You know, jwest, it's really annoying the way you  constantly harp  on the optics of a plan instead of its merits.  Any GOPer's default message has to be, "Fuck the press.  They are a bunch of liars.  You want lies, then fuck off.  You want truth, then open your damned ears."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 08:45 AM (zF6Iw)

367 367 jwest at November 22, 2013 12:44 PM (u2a4R)

Have fun in the insane asylum...I am gonna go try to lay the groundwork for my grandsons and daughters to be in a nation that allows wealth creation and values work.

It was here for ~335 years.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:46 AM (9jfyN)

368 "Nearly 400 posts and no mention of abortion until him" Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 12:42 PM (zOTsN) You need medical attention for your reading comprehension disorder.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 08:46 AM (u2a4R)

369 368 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 12:45 PM (zF6Iw)

He thinks th backlighting and lens flare are all that matters in the trillion dollar a year in the hole production not the uh trillion dollar a year leak.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:47 AM (9jfyN)

370 Well With regard to those doe eyed children, why don't you make them the indentured servants/slaves you were talking about yesterday Then you can give them health care

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:47 AM (zOTsN)

371 372 Thunderb at November 22, 2013 12:47 PM (zOTsN)

He rather likes the current plan of having them be defacto "indentured voters" who empower Communists to destroy private enterprise here through malice and hubris.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:48 AM (9jfyN)

372 You bring up Akin to rail about social issues. You hope someone takes the bait. It's what you do

Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 08:48 AM (zOTsN)

373 374 Thunderb at November 22, 2013 12:48 PM (zOTsN)

The best reply is similar to what I did...

"so"

or as was pointed out.... hey JWest you know you're right the matte painting on that last shot of Obama's crank covered in US healthcare as a 2001 Obelisk was BRILLIANT! but uh it's still a picture of a dick.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:50 AM (9jfyN)

374 374 "You bring up Akin to rail about social issues." I bring up Akin to highlight how much damage a MPPP-like tin eared person can do with a cosmically stupid statement that reinforces every stereotype liberals have been making about conservatives for years.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 08:52 AM (u2a4R)

375 So you're going to let doe-eyed little poor children die in the streets? That will go over well on the networks.

As opposed to making my grandkids responsible for paying for them ... yes.  Cut the budget and take your foot off of the economy's neck producing a surplus and then we can talk. 


Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 08:53 AM (CMlD4)

376 When this little fucking experiment goes up in flames - nobody is going to give two shits about any doe-eyed children other than their own

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 22, 2013 08:55 AM (1SfRx)

377 377 Jean at November 22, 2013 12:53 PM (CMlD4)

Oh he'll argue we'll just keep paying it forward...or rather "taking from forward" while simultaneously incentivizing lower birth rates....because "Math!"

or something

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 08:55 AM (9jfyN)

378 I bring up Akin to highlight how much damage a MPPP-like tin eared person can do with a cosmically stupid statement that reinforces every stereotype liberals have been making about conservatives for years.

 

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 12:52 PM (u2a4R)

 

I'm still not hearing any debate on the merits of sven's plan.  But you just go right on sucking up to the MFM there, McConnell.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 08:57 AM (zF6Iw)

379 377 "So you're going to let doe-eyed little poor children die in the streets? That will go over well on the networks. As opposed to making my grandkids responsible for paying for them ... yes." So Jean, are you going to leave them to die in the streets (causing you to step over them) or are you going to provide government paid transportation to the ovens?

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 08:58 AM (u2a4R)

380 I meant what I typed I am strongly pondering buying land in Canada and Belize. Look at the battlescape and make your choices. One's too hot and is Harlem, the others too cold and is full of frogs. We're fucked.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 08:59 AM (0FSuD)

381 "I'm still not hearing any debate on the merits of sven's plan." The "let them die" plan? Are you seriously saying that in this day and age, the republican (or conservative) party should advocate letting people die in the streets because they can't afford treatment? Get serious.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 09:00 AM (u2a4R)

382 I bring up Akin to highlight how much damage a MPPP-like tin eared person can do with a cosmically stupid statement that reinforces every stereotype liberals have been making about conservatives for years.

How do plan on stopping the Dims from funding another Akin or Sarvis; or the media from trumpeting their comments around the walls.  Notice how all of the calls from the rest of the Party to step aside were given little airtime or that Palin backed another candidate.  Personally, I would attack with pictures of happy children who were born premature at 20 weeks, they mention rape - attack with the under-reporting of statutory rapes by abortionists. 

But, since your not going to have the media, you are going to need your base to turn-out at the polls.  Then you need to suppress their base - scandals, insurance price hikes, or thrid party identity candidates to split the vote.

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 09:01 AM (CMlD4)

383 I bring up Akin to highlight how much damage a MPPP-like tin eared person can do with a cosmically stupid statement that reinforces every stereotype liberals have been making about conservatives for years.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 12:52 PM (u2a4R)

 

If I ever bring up Akin, it's to highlight Democrat dirty tricks. Akin--simple-minded rube that he is--was deemed (correctly) by McCaskill and her people to be the weakest Republican primary candidate. Therefore, Democratic voters were enjoined to cross over en masse and vote for Akin in the primary election. They knew--as anyone knew who followed Missouri politics--that Akin was bound to say something incredibly stupid at some point during the general campaign, and he witlessly obliged.

 

Akin's catastrophic gaffe had nothing whatsoever to do with campaigning on social and cultural issues such as abortion (or 'women's issues' in general). It has everything to do with the inability of the Republican Party formulate a counter-strategy against Democratic Party 'anything to win' tactics.

Posted by: troyriser at November 22, 2013 09:01 AM (O66NZ)

384 380 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 12:57 PM (zF6Iw)

He's big on that, you know a broken arm that cost my father ~210 bucks for his sons costs me ~ 1400-3000 bucks for *my* son....

anyway whatever, government interference in health insurance and care works so wonderfully Obama is running from his plan like a bitch.

This nation is going to be 65% communist in my life because too many people no longer respect, revere, or want the challenge and risk of a free market.

You can't have political liberty without economic liberty and liberty is not "freedom from want for breathing" despite Pelosi and Lieawatha's dreams.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:01 AM (9jfyN)

385 383 jwest at November 22, 2013 01:00 PM (u2a4R)

I'd say you're in the wrong party sport.

The "people are too fucking idiotic to try to live" camp is over there on the left.

If a person can't cipher through how to navigate their income brackets health preferences I guess we should just cut them a check...since they are "too dumb to not er buy inferior plans uh like ones for that fine fellow without OB/GYN coverage for his Ginny"?

Socialized medical care is relatively young here tiger.


Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:04 AM (9jfyN)

386

I give up, jwest.  It's impossible to argue with someone who conflates personal responsibility with "dying in the streets."

 

Oh, and way to go Godwining yourself on #381, there, too.  Bravo.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 09:04 AM (zF6Iw)

387 So Jean, are you going to leave them to die in the streets (causing you to step over them) or are you going to provide government paid transportation to the ovens? Posted by: jwest

No. I will continue to contribute generously both time and money to private Catholic charitable hospitals and clinics.  If you don't like the papist flavor, pick another.  Having the government involved in deliverance of mercy is a disaster.  Render unto Caesar what is Caeser's; has an unspoken corollary Keep what isn't Caesar's your own.

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 09:05 AM (CMlD4)

388 388 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2013 01:04 PM (zF6Iw)

Here we sit.

I am glad you're back by the way, I've been scarce myself.

I am slowly getting past the GOP.

I may be getting past America.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:05 AM (9jfyN)

389 389 Jean at November 22, 2013 01:05 PM (CMlD4)

er uh Render Caesar means uh surrender all to him right...and he'll take care of your healthcare needs?

//Rev Jerry Wright

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:07 AM (9jfyN)

390 and jwest, you should ask anyone you know that was around before WWII how they stepped over the dying doe eyed kids in the street, during the great depression.  Because, even in our worst times - people helped each other, Christian charity was the rule - not Government.

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 09:08 AM (CMlD4)

391 sven, oh yeah - the learned Rev Jerry Wright, right up there with Aquinas

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2013 09:09 AM (CMlD4)

392 392 Jean at November 22, 2013 01:08 PM (CMlD4)

Well "about that"...see Uncle Barack and many other mules have been trying to replace humility and duty before God with "Who's Yo Daddy...Guvmint Yo Daddy"....

I do hope you're well as well Jean.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:10 AM (9jfyN)

393 Groan. Just ignore jworst, starve the troll...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, upholstering his throne of skulls at November 22, 2013 09:11 AM (naUcP)

394 Jwest you just like to stir shit. Its what u do

Posted by: thunderb at November 22, 2013 09:12 AM (BJ1mw)

395 393 Jean at November 22, 2013 01:09 PM (CMlD4)

Heh.  It is actually funny you mention that.  My faith is why I am calmer and less patriotic these days.

I would have given anything for an American nation respecting the founding and humbling itself before Him.

The American people have empowered a party that booed our creator thrice with limitless power.

God Bless America?

No America, Bless(and beg) God.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:12 AM (9jfyN)

396 "Akin's catastrophic gaffehad nothing whatsoever to do with campaigning on social and cultural issues..." Akin's catastrophic gaffe was caused by an idiot saying something that was so incredibly stupid, that it allowed the MSM to paint the entire right with it. The same thing would happen if anyone were to suggest that the right would allow people to die in the streets because they didn't have enough money to pay. My suggestions on how to structure the system so that costs are minimized and incentives are put in place to only use providers when necessary and then to search for the low-cost provider have been the subject of numerous comments here. I believe the plan is far superior to Medicaid or Obamacare. Suggestions like "let them die in the street" are just ridiculous and unserious.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 09:12 AM (u2a4R)

397 395 Brother Cavil, upholstering his throne of skulls at November 22, 2013 01:11 PM (naUcP)

Eh it's all good I'll be his cardboard tube this afternoon....

I was on pace to be sub 300 posts I think.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:13 AM (9jfyN)

398 398 jwest at November 22, 2013 01:12 PM (u2a4R)

That's funny because uh last I checked *you* are the only person who think a free market in health care leads to "death in the streets"...

reality says otherwise.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:14 AM (9jfyN)

399 “What do you mean, ‘a plan for that’?” http://tinyurl.com/9592nav Posted by: drowningpuppies ---------------------------- I am reminded of Obama's address of July 2, 2008: “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” ------------------

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 22, 2013 09:15 AM (aDwsi)

400 Two words my friends, Grease Monkey.

Posted by: toby928© blurts at November 22, 2013 09:15 AM (QupBk)

401 Obama and his buddies need to go to the track. They know a year out that they will need an extra month to get this done. They need to bet the house on the Pick-6.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 22, 2013 09:19 AM (nj9sX)

402 "That's funny because uh last I checked *you* are the only person who think a free market in health care leads to "death in the streets"..." OK sven, let's walk through this... Right now, Obamacare is on the ropes. People who have their own policies are scared and piss off due to being cancelled and see what the new rates are. Democrats are scrambling trying to find some way to turn this around. Something is going to happen. My suggestion has alway been to institute free market reforms to the everyday healthcare through the use of HSAs. Yes, I caused some contraversy saying we should give up the tiny slice of catastrophic healthcare not already covered by Medicare, Medicaid and the VA, arguing instead that this was an insignificant portion of what we are after. The prize is getting the everyday treatment in a buyer - seller relationship, instead of having an insurance company or government inbetween paying the bills. There is no way, in anyone's opinion, that the country would agree to eliminate all healthcare benefits for the poor. It just wouldn't happen. My plan accepts the reality of this and instead allows the govenment to fund the HSAs of the poor, basically by taking a portion of the existing EITC and increasing the amount to cover costs up to the point catastrophic takes over. It incentivises the poor to use it judiciously so that they can skim the difference off the top of their accounts at the end of each year. It would save the government money and allow the poor to be treated as cash customers by provicers - a win win. Is this such a terrible communist plot?

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 09:27 AM (u2a4R)

403 251 Time to read again. What I saw at the coup. http://tinyurl.com/9592nav Posted by: drowningpuppies at November 22, 2013 12:08 PM (012vu) That was superb. I don't know how I missed it earlier.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2013 09:29 AM (zoehZ)

404 Always ends with a jab. So predictable

Posted by: thunderb at November 22, 2013 09:29 AM (BJ1mw)

405 404 jwest at November 22, 2013 01:27 PM (u2a4R)

Your plan still generates market disequilibrium.

But you know what using that patented LOGC! I am missing the moral argument against just handing everyone a 100,000 buck Debit card every month.

#Winning!

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:31 AM (9jfyN)

406 The public believe Obama before with the "if you like your plan, you can keep it" lie.

That's been exposed as the naked lie it was. Hence the numbers for "trusting" Obama have dropped through the floor.

They can certainly move the date. I don't think it's legal given the very clear way the PPACA reads. In fact, it's blatantly illegal and if Obama gets called on it (in court) he will lose (by the way does eliminating the filibuster for judicial nominees and thus stacking the DC Circuit Court start to make sense now idiots?)

But people don't believe Obama anymore, they know this is coming. People have already been adversely affected and there is nothing to indicate it gets better. Once informed of the date movement, most are smart enough to figure this out.

That's why Obama will try a legislative fix with Republican help...and Republicans are dumb enough to do it. They are too smart for themselves and have some crafty reason WHY they will do it...and then promptly get bit in the ass.

After all- what says "trustworthy" about Obama better than the way Republicans have gotten nailed to the floor in every negotiation or the way the PPACA was passed or now the way the filibuster was changed (and will be changed back before Republicans take over again. Sheesh, I mean this screams "trust".

Dopes.

Posted by: Marcus at November 22, 2013 09:33 AM (GGCsk)

407 "Your plan still generates market disequilibrium. But you know what using that patented LOGC! I am missing the moral argument against just handing everyone a 100,000 buck Debit card every month." I don't understand how you can argue that, when the total amounts I'm advocating are less than what is presently being spent. Yes, insurance company profits may suffer and a large number of bureucrats at Medicaid might lose their job, but I don't believe the markets would be thrown into chaos.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 09:36 AM (u2a4R)

408 270True Fact. JFK was a drug addict and a rapist.

News at 11.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 22, 2013 12:15 PM (0FSuD)

 

 

 

That applies to all mean in that family, not just Jack.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 22, 2013 09:37 AM (H84UO)

409 409 jwest at November 22, 2013 01:36 PM (u2a4R)

Your ranting about "dying in the streets Nazis" sort of is based if on anything other than your Moderate ire at anyone to the right of Lincoln Chaffee on the notion that the market will not reestablish price structure quickly enough for the "poor" to be able to find solutions.

Your "reduced Medicaid" paradigm still has the feds using the free shit cannon to artificially raise price champ.

That *is* the point, we have little idea what a competitive market driven health economy would look like because the feds have not allowed it to exist since ~1968.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:40 AM (9jfyN)

410 Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 01:40 PM (9jfyN) Your last paragraph made sense. Everything else is a jumble of words. Take a breath and try it again.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 09:47 AM (u2a4R)

411 412 jwest at November 22, 2013 01:47 PM (u2a4R)

Horsefuck perfesser.

Your rant on your fear that having as free a market in healthcare would lead to death in the streets is predicated on distrust of price point.  I distrust a disrupted market's price and availability structure.

Don't worry sport you're about to be spared the burden of my support.

Enjoy power en perpetual.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:50 AM (9jfyN)

412 Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 01:50 PM (9jfyN) OK, it's Friday and you decided to start drinking a bit early. We'll pick this up another time.

Posted by: jwest at November 22, 2013 09:52 AM (u2a4R)

413 414 jwest at November 22, 2013 01:52 PM (u2a4R)

No JWest I am refusing to play your game.

You equate a free market with genocide by neglect, history knows better.

Thing is I used to give a fuck about moderates like you straying from the GOP...

don't worry I'll stray instead.

I have no need for a GOP that can't argue for economic sanity and liberty.

Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 09:56 AM (9jfyN)

414

The number of uninsured has continually been ratcheted up from 15 to 20 to 30 and now to 45-50 million people who will be "saved" by commiecare, but little notice by the treasonous bastards formerly known as a free and ethical press have given much attention to the estimated 29 million who will still be uninsured, when all is said and done. So, in effect, a lot of suffering, confusion, and more financial expenses has been foisted on the working class, while those that  reside in the nether world between the truly needy and the working class (what, maybe 20,000,000 people) are having a banquet of prime rib with all the fixings, and president codewriter is having his way with the Constitution.

Posted by: the amazing cult of kool aid at November 22, 2013 10:14 AM (eQZZW)

415 It's just not the individual market that is effected it is also employer supplied plans. When open enrollment comes each year that is when all employee's get to choose which plan from a set of plans offered by their employer they choose, or even to opt out to the individual market or another type of coverage. That means that people on employer provided plans will not see their rate increases until after the election instead of prior to it.

Posted by: boballab at November 22, 2013 10:29 AM (ebXTQ)

416 "|12 John Boehner is 2nd in line to the Presidency. Has enormous power as Speaker. He is the only one who can stand up to Obama, and he cowers."

He doesn't cower; he collaborates freely.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 22, 2013 10:45 AM (XO6WW)

417 You know Sven ... ... if you really want to piss him off - just ignore him. He needs the attention the way a hog needs slop.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 22, 2013 02:07 PM (6/+vz)

418 The way that OCare as a tax works is only the worker bees of Main Street have to pay into the OCare tax, most everyone else is exempted by the President and the burrOcrats.  How's that a general tax, or fair? 

Seems the Supreme's messed up on the 'general taxing authority' concept -- OCare isn't being implemented as a general tax.  

OCare's tax (and coverage) is targeted at a limited segment of the population and that segment of the population is getting hammered with paying for coverage for all sorts of Medicaid and Drug Rehab and other prorgrams that should be paid for by everyone, not just just the Main Street workerbees. 

Posted by: Seipherd at November 22, 2013 02:52 PM (qZWnx)

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