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January 29, 2013

Shock: Treasury Department Approved "Excessive" Pay Raises, Salaries at Bailed-Out Companies
— Ace

The executives had run GM and AIG so well that they had to come begging to the government for billions in subsidies and direct gifts.

So of course they should have massive million-dollar raises.

And of course Timothy Geithner's Treasury Department should approve those raises.

Ggovernment report Monday criticized the U.S. Treasury Department for approving Â“excessiveÂ” salaries and raises at firms that received taxpayer-funded bailouts during the financial crisis.
The Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program said Treasury approved all 18 requests it received last year to raise pay for executives at American International Group Inc., General Motors Corp. and Ally Financial Inc. Of those requests, 14 were for $100,000 or more; the largest raise was $1 million.
Treasury also allowed pay packages totaling $5 million or more for nearly a quarter of the executives at those firms, the report says.
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The report says Treasury bypassed rules under the 2008 bailout that limited pay. Treasury approved raises that exceeded pay limits and in some cases failed to link compensation to performance, it notes.

The rules stated that executives at bailed-out companies could not receive pay higher than the fiftieth percentile of CEO's in non-bailed out companies (that is, they could not be paid as if they were in the top half of executives).

But most executives in bailed-out companies -- 63% -- received pay at or above that level.

The woman who approved these pay rates called the rule a mere "benchmark."

Consider the fact that incentives and disincentives matter, and control behavior. Consider the fact that Treasury is now approving CEO payments in the top half of all executive compensation for executives at companies the taxpayers bailed out.

So what would be the incentive and disincentive structure here, as regards getting government bail-outs? There is hardly any disincentive for an executive to lobby the government for bail-outs and for a fusion of his company with the government -- he can still get paid what the top half of non-balled-out executives are paid.

It's an advertisement for corporatism, isn't it?

There's a process by which "accident" becomes so close to deliberate intent it's almost not worth arguing about the semantics of it. Plainly, Timothy Geithner thinks that corporate welfare, like the regular sort of individual welfare, is nothing to be ashamed about taking, and not the sort of thing we should penalize people for taking.

As with individual welfare, corporations should be encouraged to apply for government benefits, for those times when, goshdarnit, they just can't quite make ends meet.

Sometimes we just need to give an executive at a bailed-out company an extra million dollars per year just to make sure he has heating and food. And birth control, probably.

Compassion (TM). Try it!

Posted by: Ace at 09:04 AM | Comments (207)
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1 Personally, I'm shocked.

Posted by: Cricket at January 29, 2013 09:07 AM (DrC22)

2 Guess those other morons must be reading the post.

Posted by: Cricket at January 29, 2013 09:07 AM (DrC22)

3 TARP was sooooooooo great. I'm so glad we supported it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 29, 2013 09:08 AM (xz0nG)

4 Rubio on Rush right now.

Posted by: Enby at January 29, 2013 09:08 AM (ptlfZ)

5 TARP was just a benchmark. Get it?

Posted by: Cricket at January 29, 2013 09:09 AM (DrC22)

6 Rubio on Rush right now. Posted by: Enby at January 29, 2013 01:08 PM (ptlfZ) That's racist

Posted by: Cricket at January 29, 2013 09:10 AM (DrC22)

7 Wait,
On the other side of things don't they want to tax CEO pay at like 90% and even place a cap on what private (non bailed out) companies can pay CEOs (using some cludge like SarOx I thought.)

The latter may be me misremembering, but I'm pretty sure the former is accurate. So..erg...you have the chance to cut CEO pay, why don't you take it if that's what you really want?

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 29, 2013 09:10 AM (oG3dE)

8 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~ ... so, yes, Hadji has done Hadji's comedy for Tim Geithner. Yes. Hadji went last year. To the Treasury Department secret retreat in Acapulco ... wait .. This microphone? It is on? Yes? And so ... Hello! It is I, Hadji - the Funny Man who does not have a tan, but rather this is how Allah made me, inshallah. Hadji, he has the funny bone to slay 10,000 Jews or other infidels. Allow Hadji to slay you. What is the difference between Timoth Geitner and you? You give up? That is what is different. Thank you Thank you Thank you! It is the tax season ... do not forget to give your waitresses a 1099. If you know what Hadji means, and Hadji is confident that you do. -

Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at January 29, 2013 09:11 AM (RuUvx)

9 New AristocracyÂ™ -- embrace it, proles.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 09:11 AM (UOM48)

10 O.L.I.G.A.R.C.H.Y.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 29, 2013 09:12 AM (GlnE7)

11 Do the recipients have names and do they donate to the (D) party? I'd be surprised if they didn't donate.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 29, 2013 09:12 AM (Jcd0S)

12 Put ... the .. raise ... DOWN!

Raises are for LEECHES ONLY ..

You think I'm fucking with you? I'm not ..

Posted by: Timmy G from Downtown at January 29, 2013 09:13 AM (wwsoB)

Pushing all these turds is such a workout....I'm getting muscles.

Posted by: King Dung Beetle at January 29, 2013 09:14 AM (BZMZX)

14 As for the percentile question, remember, in Barky's America all TARP-rescued CEOs are above average.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 29, 2013 09:15 AM (Jcd0S)

15 Some Compost reporters must not have gotten THEIR raises and are pissed enough to actually report this

Leftists don't hate wealth as long as it's THEIR wealth

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2013 09:15 AM (wwsoB)

16 Crony Socialism.

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 09:15 AM (KXm42)

17 Rubio sounds naiive.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2013 09:16 AM (NqVFT)

18 New AristocracyÂ™ -- embrace it, proles.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 01:11 PM (UOM4

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Yes it is. But I'm looking at this from a different angle. They want conservatives to start resenting the 1% also. This is nothing but class warfare agitation. Nothing out of this regime happens by "accident" or by "mistake".

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 09:16 AM (Kk3Lm)

19 And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

Posted by: Barbossa at January 29, 2013 09:17 AM (e8kgV)

20 When the collapse causes the financial tide to drop, we're gonna see a whole lot of rot and sewage that the MFM assured us wasn't there

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2013 09:17 AM (wwsoB)

21 Wait,
On the other side of things don't they want to tax CEO pay at like 90% and even place a cap on what private (non bailed out) companies can pay CEOs (using some cludge like SarOx I thought.)
Posted by: tsrblke

No. Any and all attacks on 'rich people' are aimed at corralling the productive into becoming part of the bundled sticks that is national socialism.

It's socialist theatre with country-killing consequences. Pandering to the masses to secure the Left's power.

Also remember even at the Left's golden age of 90% tax rates, *no one* paid at that level. The wealthy took advantage of connections and dodges.

The higher the tax rate the more tax lawyers and lobbyists get paid. See the incentive?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 29, 2013 09:17 AM (xz0nG)

22 As long as it was for the children.

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 09:17 AM (KXm42)

23 (whistles) Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 29, 2013 09:18 AM (ccXZP)

24 Maybe Obama doesn't have a fascist model in mind. At least when the fascists demonized somebody, they remained a demon. Obama's model is to demonize people but pay off the top demons.

Posted by: Climate Scientists at January 29, 2013 09:18 AM (T0NGe)

25 Rubio sounds naiive. Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2013 01:16 PM (NqVFT) For quite some time.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 09:18 AM (l86i3)

I'm pushing this shit...for the children.

Posted by: King Dung Beetle at January 29, 2013 09:19 AM (BZMZX)

27 As someone who believes we can't begin to solve the problems of this country without changing congessional pay to 500K/yr plus an additional 500K bonus (plus private jet travel and other perks), I'm not opposed to paying corporate executives to stick around and finish whatever job they started.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 09:19 AM (ZDsRL)

28 Off sock.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 29, 2013 09:19 AM (T0NGe)

29 This must be what Obama meant when he said we all now play by the same rules.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 29, 2013 09:19 AM (LyF0H)

30 We control the means of production.

Posted by: comrade o'bumbles at January 29, 2013 09:19 AM (ORGYc)

31 Quick go listen to Rubio on Rush, and you will get a clear synopsis on why republicans are losing. He's fucking delusional, he literally thinks Obama and democrats want to solve problems. He is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 29, 2013 09:19 AM (Rh+Np)

32 Our business is gubmint. And business is booming!

Posted by: TurboTax Timmeh at January 29, 2013 09:19 AM (C/NnJ)

33 Some ~~animals~~ CEOs are more equal than others.

Posted by: huerfano at January 29, 2013 09:19 AM (bAGA/)

34 The woman who approved these pay rates called the rule a mere "benchmark."

How about publishing her name? She's a public official after all.

Patricia Geoghegan, the Treasury official who approved the raises

Not a very common last name, shouldn't be too hard to find out which executive(s) she's fucking, which she went to school with, which gave her a no-interest real estate loan as part of a money-laundering scheme, etc.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 29, 2013 09:20 AM (ZKzrr)

35 Rubio can't believe the Dems. If he is does, he's an idiot. If he doesn't, he's just like them. Either way, he is bad news. I never trusted the guy.

Posted by: Baldy at January 29, 2013 09:20 AM (opS9C)

36 Remember that scene from "Fifth Element" where the guy gets a call from the government "worried the economy is heating up too much" and wants him to fire a bunch of people?

So many people these days dependent directly or indirectly on the federal government for a paycheck.

No, it won't burn.

It'll smolder and heave for a long, long damned time--they're in too deep, there's too many, they can't let go.

Longer than honest men and free men can hold out.

Freedom = criminal. Welcome to Obama's America.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 29, 2013 09:20 AM (imtbm)

37 They're all on the same team: one big, happy, fascist family.

Posted by: joncelli at January 29, 2013 09:20 AM (RD7QR)

38 This is like the mob getting their hands on a sporting goods store, busting it out, and then burning he building down for the insurance money. We used to own the store where the vacant lot is now.

Posted by: Truman North, in the heroes of government health care at January 29, 2013 09:20 AM (2IgCi)

39 Ace I saw this article this morning and the question I had was "didn't we know that when it happened"?

Why is this coming out as news now? Is there something else going on that we didn't know about?

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 09:20 AM (53z96)

40 If you don't give out these raises what happens to their butlers, cooks and prostitutes? Do we want them thrown out into the streets? I hope the Republican Party doesn't become heartless and uncaring in these times of need.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 29, 2013 09:21 AM (w+Dvf)

41 I'm here to kick asses and issue huge raises, and I'm all out of asses.

Posted by: Tim 'TurboTax' Geithner at January 29, 2013 09:21 AM (ccXZP)

42 The bailed out CEO's aren't just getting government subsidies, the Fed is printing up cash with no backing to juice up their stock options by pumping money into Wall Street

Then there's the tax writeoffs they get for carrying previous losses forward to today and into the future. Those same losses they get to sweep under the rugs when the 10Q report comes out

Too much more of this shit and we'll all be Zero Hedge commenters

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2013 09:23 AM (wwsoB)

43 So obviously, Peggy Joseph was a CEOnat one of those bailed out businesses. Who knew!

Posted by: runningrn at January 29, 2013 09:23 AM (Ag5D2)

Rubio is doing what he needs to do.

It's imperative that we have someone engaged in the fight. He's putting forward the provisions conservatives want to see in any agreement. If you think it's smarter to just sit back and oppose everything, you're going to lose.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 09:23 AM (ZDsRL)

45 Why it is almost like their pretending to be OUTRAGED! was just agitprop for freeshit army....

we're boned.

The key to what they are seeking is the magic 50.00000001% perfect lockstep union.

The rich and the poor form that just fine if they can Jedi mind trick enough of the middle.

Wheeee.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:23 AM (LRFds)

46 In the meantime, Preezy Skeeter is off to Vegas to give a speech. A stupid speech.

What's that little trip costing us?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 09:23 AM (UOM48)

47 So... does anyone actually represent us anymore?

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at January 29, 2013 09:23 AM (WDCYi)

Stock market going way up, manufacturing employment dwindling.

Bonuses for hooked-up-with-lobbyists executives, higher healthcare premiums for average Joes.

Washington booming, middle-class America suffering.

Hawaiian golf vacations for Prezidizzle Obizzle, stagnant wages for the rest of us.

And Republicans can't make a populist case that Obama and the liberals are the party of the elites? That's why they call us the stupid party.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 29, 2013 09:24 AM (qHCyt)

49 Stupid autocorrect

Posted by: Truman North, now with 73% more of the same at January 29, 2013 09:24 AM (2IgCi)

50 I'm thinking this post might help explain the last post. I am seriously pissed off that I did not actually start up Happy Fun, LLC.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 09:24 AM (VtjlW)

51 Not all of the FSA are into ObamaPhones... ...IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 29, 2013 09:24 AM (GlnE7)

52 As someone who believes we can't begin to solve the problems of this country without changing congessional pay to 500K/yr plus an additional 500K bonus (plus private jet travel and other perks),

Exactly! Look at all the improvements I made to this country when my family and I had jets at our beck and call at your expense! Now you can quit your job and pursue your lifelong dream of working the glory hole on Rt 6 without having to worry about health insurance!

But you greedy obstructionist wingnuts took it away.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 29, 2013 09:24 AM (ZKzrr)

53 I know itÂ’s a dead horse, but when did these approvals occur? ItÂ’s too bad we donÂ’t have some institution dedicated to rooting out government corruption and afflicting the powerful.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 29, 2013 09:25 AM (QF8uk)

54 I am still amused that people think Republicans are the party of the rich.

So many dumbasses fall for it.

Of course the Democrats are the party of the poor, that's true. The poor make for the best child prostitutes.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 29, 2013 09:25 AM (T0NGe)

55 44 Jwest,

If you think i am going to pretend Rubio is saying anything based in reality for this "deal' we've already lost as a nation.

I am making my peace with that fact.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:25 AM (LRFds)

56 I am seriously pissed off that I did not actually start up Happy Fun, LLC.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 01:24 PM (VtjlW)

There's always Gators, Moats n Pythons.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 09:25 AM (UOM48)

57 Thanks Hadji!

Posted by: L, elle at January 29, 2013 09:25 AM (0PiQ4)

58 I am seriously pissed off that I did not actually start up Happy Fun, LLC. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 01:24 PM (VtjlW) I thought Happy Fun was the Adult Bookstore in Alextopia.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 09:25 AM (l86i3)

59 Sec. Geithner is the smartest person in the world. Let's just ask him.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at January 29, 2013 09:26 AM (71LDo)

60 Fuck Rubio. He's either lying or delusional. He says he's confident he'll convince Mexicans and Guatemalans to vote for small government because his family is a bunch of anti-commie Cubans. We have decades of data on this. Mexicans and Guatemalans are socialists. They want big government. They want handouts. Cuban refugees are anti-commie cause Castro stole their shit. They are the exception. Fuck Rubio.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 09:26 AM (ZPrif)

I thought you left off the /sarc tag. We're going to lose anyway. No matter what the dems agree to and sign off on TFG will just instruct his admin not to enforce the law. It's not like it would be a first.

Posted by: Infidel at January 29, 2013 09:27 AM (O/fK8)

62 Not all of the FSA are into ObamaPhones... ...IYKWIMAITYD

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the already-rich-and-connected get more dollars than the Obamapho crowd.

$500M for a $50k donation to SCOAMF. Nice ROI.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 29, 2013 09:27 AM (ZKzrr)

63 It's imperative that we have someone engaged in the fight. He's putting forward the provisions conservatives want to see in any agreement. If you think it's smarter to just sit back and oppose everything, you're going to lose. That's bullshit. There's nothing conservative about agreeing to destroy the culture and the nation. The conservative position is close the borders and start deporting criminals. Period. No amnesty, no pathway to amnesty, nothing. Oh, wait, there is a pathway to citizenship: show us you will produce more than you take, buy your way in, and we'll talk. That's the only pathway that makes sense.

Posted by: Truman North, now with 73% more of the same at January 29, 2013 09:27 AM (2IgCi)

64 There's a process by which "accident" becomes so close to deliberate intent it's almost not worth arguing about the semantics of it.

Did you run out of "in your mouth jokes" or are you just rationing them?

Posted by: DaveA at January 29, 2013 09:27 AM (tAie3)

65 60 Flatbush Joe,

and too many of Rubio's peers are hopping on the bandwagon...

of course Limbaugh is sorta falling for it....

um "okay"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:28 AM (LRFds)

66 The republicans and democrats are arguing over how much anthrax to pour into the water supply.

Posted by: Truman North, now with 73% more of the same at January 29, 2013 09:28 AM (2IgCi)

67 And the young Cubans are leftist. It's only the old Cubans like Rubio's parents that are hard-core anti-commie. Young Cubans are proud members of the Free Shit Army.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 09:28 AM (ZPrif)

68 Where do I apply for my raise?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 29, 2013 09:28 AM (9Bj8R)

69 Rush sucking Rubio's dick.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 29, 2013 09:28 AM (nZvGM)

70 If you think i am going to pretend Rubio is saying anything based in reality for this "deal' we've already lost as a nation.

I am making my peace with that fact.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 01:25 PM (LRFds)

Until 2014 and a overwhelming victory for the right in the midterms, Rubio is doing everything possible to mitigate the damage of the JEF's term.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 09:28 AM (ZDsRL)

71 Just saw a photo of Obama taking the oath at his immaculation. (I didn't watch live.) Michele is holding two books under Obama's left hand. Any idea what those two books are? Why two?

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 09:28 AM (1Y+hH)

72 What's that little trip costing us?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 01:23 PM (UOM4

From the morning news thread:

Obama to spend $1.6M to fly over and give a speech on amnesty.

http://is.gd/iGdCjw

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 09:28 AM (53z96)

73 Oh, and Mitt Romney wasn't elected because he was an evil, rich, white, male 1 percenter who was in bed with Wall Street, Big Banks, and Big Investment and his war on women was going to take away Sandy Vagina's free birth control away and he killed Joe Soptic's wife. Binders full of women instead of Binders full of bailed out CEO's. Thanks a lot, Low Information Voters. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: runningrn at January 29, 2013 09:29 AM (Ag5D2)

74 it's outrageous, but even more outrageous is bonuses for government employees. WTF? they don't even work to begin with.

Posted by: #6 at January 29, 2013 09:29 AM (KHo8t)

75 If Rubio believes what he just said on Rush then he's dumber than I thought.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 09:29 AM (ZPrif)

76 So... does anyone actually represent us anymore?

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at January 29, 2013 01:23 PM (WDCYi)

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A few. Unfortunately, they can be counted on one hand.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 09:29 AM (Kk3Lm)

77 All these raises happened between November and now, wow HR moved fast after the election. Oh wait, this shit has been going on for years, and the media forgot to tell us about it. Thanks guys.

Posted by: Jean at January 29, 2013 09:30 AM (uRbX6)

78 Treasury also allowed pay packages totaling $5 million or more for nearly a quarter of the executives at those firms, the report says. kos crybabies & Puffho readers hardest hit.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 29, 2013 09:30 AM (GFM2b)

79 Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 01:28 PM (1Y+hH)

The Koran
Alinsky's Rules For Radicals

Why?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2013 09:30 AM (GsoHv)

80 67 And the young Cubans are leftist. It's only the old Cubans like Rubio's parents that are hard-core anti-commie.

This. A friend of ours, a nice guy, came over with his family years ago escaping the Castro regime.

His dad? Staunch conservative. Him? Obamabot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 09:30 AM (UOM48)

81 70 Jwest,

The game is rigged ese....

seriously we are not getting them I have lived and worked amongst them in El Paso....

They asked me how I could be a republican if I grew up poor and I explained Milton Friedman to them.

We can't even flip 2d and beyond generation El Pasoans....

we're gonna flip mexican nationals?

"okay"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:30 AM (LRFds)

82 I hope that Tom Friedman is visiting his buddies in Bejing today;

http://tinyurl.com/abrmgz3

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2013 09:30 AM (wwsoB)

83 Cuban refugees are anti-commie cause Castro stole their shit. They are the exception.

Fuck Rubio.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 01:26 PM (ZPrif)

That hasn't been true for a while now. Look at the county-by-county maps from the last election. Miami area all Obama all the time.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 09:30 AM (53z96)

84 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 09:31 AM (8y9MW)

[Rubio] says he's confident he'll convince Mexicans and Guatemalans to vote for small government because his family is a bunch of anti-commie Cubans.
We have decades of data on this. Mexicans and Guatemalans are socialists. They want big government. They want handouts.

You think America has a lot of low-information voters now? Just wait....

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 09:31 AM (1Y+hH)

86 LIB.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 09:31 AM (UOM48)

87 Okay, off to lunch. I think I'll write a post on the Texas State of the State Address, while I'm eating. That's be a less futile gesture if I had a blog, of course.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 09:32 AM (8y9MW)

88 46 In the meantime, Preezy Skeeter is off to Vegas to give a speech. A stupid speech. What's that little trip costing us? Vegas? The same Vegas he told us plebeians not to go vaca in because we can't afford it? Sin City? Oh yeah, that was last term. He gets a fresh new page now.

Posted by: runningrn at January 29, 2013 09:32 AM (Ag5D2)

89 Oh how I approve of this!

Posted by: Mussolini at January 29, 2013 09:32 AM (F6KtL)

90 Any idea what those two books are?

Necronomicon and Communist Manifesto?

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 29, 2013 09:33 AM (GlnE7)

91 Plainly, Timothy Geithner thinks that corporate welfare, like the regular sort of individual welfare, is nothing to be ashamed about taking The French call it dirigisme, the Italians called it fascismo. We call it common sense economic policy for the 21st century.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 29, 2013 09:33 AM (LyF0H)

92 Hey obama is about to blow this immigration bill up anyway. They are saying he is also going to shove some gay marriage thing into the immigration bill. obama is trying to break the Republican Party. We have to hold strong folks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 29, 2013 09:33 AM (9Bj8R)

93 It's imperative that we have someone engaged in the fight. He's putting forward the provisions conservatives want to see in any agreement. If you think it's smarter to just sit back and oppose everything, you're going to lose.

I thought you left off the /sarc tag. We're going to lose anyway. No matter what the dems agree to and sign off on TFG will just instruct his admin not to enforce the law. It's not like it would be a first.

Posted by: Infidel at January 29, 2013 01:27 PM (O/fK

---------------------------------------------------

Go to Breitbart. Dear Leader has already said he won't sign this immigration bill.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 09:33 AM (Kk3Lm)

94 Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 01:30 PM (53z96)

The refugees are still conservative and anti-Communist.

It's their kids and grandkids who like to suckle on the government teat and vote Dem.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2013 09:33 AM (GsoHv)

95 If Rubio believes what he just said on Rush then he's dumber than I thought. No, he just thinks we are.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 29, 2013 09:33 AM (LyF0H)

44...If you think it's smarter to just sit back and oppose everything, you're going to lose.

Republicans opposed pretty mush everything that the Dems were pushing, when the Dems were in control of both houses.

...And they gained lots of seats in 2010.

The Dems kept calling them..."the Party of No".

And people said, "I like that. 'No' sounds good".

The Dems aren't calling them "the Party of No" anymore.

Posted by: wheatie at January 29, 2013 09:33 AM (BZMZX)

97 Mere mortal Communist Manifesto The Koran disguised with a Bible hardcover

Posted by: L, elle at January 29, 2013 09:34 AM (0PiQ4)

98 Rush was not impressed with Rubio.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2013 09:34 AM (KwX0v)

99 There's always Gators, Moats n Pythons. Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 01:25 PM (UOM4 Hmmm. Point. I'm reasonably confident that Gators, Moats n Pythons would only sponsor a Pythonhunt that actually results in the epic hilarity that should have resulted from the last one.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 09:34 AM (VtjlW)

100 He is a fucking idiot. --( Re: Rubio)
-------
Just call him Mr. Republican

Posted by: RioBravo at January 29, 2013 09:34 AM (eEfYn)

101 96....ack. ...*much*, not mush.

Posted by: wheatie at January 29, 2013 09:35 AM (BZMZX)

102 93 Soona,

he's daring the GOP to sign it out of spite then sign it and jedi hand wave away all enforcement and grant on the spot amnesty....

I'll bet you a hundred web bucks.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:35 AM (LRFds)

103 All immigration needs to be sharply curtailed. Is there any group of immigrants that won't vote for socialism in America? Serious question. South Asians are the richest ethnic group in America. We've brought in huge #s of doctors and engineers to America. They voted 70%+ for Obama. Why? Because they believe Republicans hate all brown people.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 09:35 AM (ZPrif)

104 Go to Breitbart. Dear Leader has already said he won't sign this immigration bill. Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 01:33 PM (Kk3Lm) Every time a Conservative compromises he takes it and runs as far left as he can. TFG does not want compromise, he wants capitulation.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 09:35 AM (l86i3)

105

"We can't even flip 2d and beyond generation El Pasoans....

we're gonna flip mexican nationals?"

I could flip 70% of blacks to vote republican. All we need to do is say the right things.

And I don't mean we should be sounding like democrats.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 09:35 AM (ZDsRL)

106 Progress!!!

Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at January 29, 2013 09:35 AM (qOEWB)

107 And Republicans can't make a populist case that Obama and the liberals are the party of the elites? That's why they call us the stupid party.

The electorate is pretty fucking stupid too don't forget.

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 09:35 AM (KXm42)

108 98 soothsayer,

Yeah he was very pleasant and very mocking of the idea this is "new."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:35 AM (LRFds)

109 So after all maybe Obastard will save us from this amnesty bill if he just overreaches a bit more. Odd, that he and not the GOP leadership may prevent something awful being put into law.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 29, 2013 09:36 AM (LyF0H)

110 Treasury, Goldman Sachs, IMF are an incestuous bunch. Guess who benfitted from all the Benanke bucks. Strangely, it was financial institutions. Go figure.

Posted by: Invictus at January 29, 2013 09:36 AM (OQpzc)

111 86LIB.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 01:31 PM (UOM4

I smell smoke...

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 09:36 AM (1Y+hH)

112 The refugees are still conservative and anti-Communist.

It's their kids and grandkids who like to suckle on the government teat and vote Dem.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2013 01:33 PM (GsoHv)

The original refugees have pretty much died off. There isn't anyone left but the kids and grand kids.

IOW, they are all FSA Obamabots.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 09:37 AM (53z96)

113 Crony fascism. Shearson Lehman vs. Goldman Sachs. Compare and contrast.

Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2013 09:37 AM (FcR7P)

114 103 Flatbush joe,

so the ONLY way we can show we love "brown people" is becoming the "Free Shit for all!" party...?

Okay....

let's get it on the table for us to show we love the brown folks we have to become donks....?

because their calumny is a fucking lie.

My tribe is easy to join love Locke hate Marx

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:38 AM (LRFds)

115 75 If Rubio believes what he just said on Rush then he's dumber than I thought. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 01:29 PM (ZPrif) Agreed

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 29, 2013 09:38 AM (Rh+Np)

116 The most transparently opaque Administration evah ...

WASHINGTONÂ– In a joint letter sent today, Senator David Vitter (R-La.), the top Republican of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, and Congressman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, questioned James Martin, Region 8 Administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), regarding his use of a non-official e-mail account to conduct official business, potentially violating federal transparency laws.

In documents obtained by Senate EPW and House Oversight committees, Administrator Martin used a non-official, me.com, e-mail account, which may have been an attempt to circumvent the Federal Records Act, the Freedom of Information Act, and Congressional oversight.

Posted by: Deep Throat at January 29, 2013 09:38 AM (e8kgV)

117 We don't have to worry about OBama dividing and destroying the Republican Party. The asshole RINOs on this gang of 8 and Boner are doing it for him.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 09:38 AM (53z96)

118 Republicans keep trying to argue Milton Friedman. Democrats just point at skin color and accent. An ever growing % of voters are just voting in ethnic tribal blocs. Democrat pitch in a nutshell. See that racist white asshole Republican over there who has more stuff than you? Vote for me and I'll give you his stuff.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 09:39 AM (ZPrif)

119 Thanks a lot, Low Information Voters. Thanks a lot. Posted by: runningrn at January 29, 2013 01:29 PM

Shut up will ya? Kim Kardashian is tweeting about her and Kanye at the Lakers game last night!

Posted by: Low information voter at January 29, 2013 09:39 AM (wwsoB)

120 ♫ We're in the Money! ♪

Posted by: Jon Corzine at January 29, 2013 09:39 AM (AWmfW)

121 We really do need some Conservative Community Organizer to start loudly and frequently pointing out all the connections between Democrats and the powerful rich. Someone who can show the Democrat base the money trail. Someone who will gin up some good, old fashioned class warfare between the Dems and their entitled, leeching masses. Don't these poor folks suffering in overcrowded Section 8 housing deserve more? Vacation homes in the Hamptons, Escalades and the like? Why should they have to wipe their butts with that free, single sheet gubamint toilet paper with the chunks of wood pulp when CEO's enjoy the plush comfort of double ply, cushy, scented goodness on their rumps?

Posted by: runningrn at January 29, 2013 09:39 AM (Ag5D2)

122 But, but, you Cons all love CEOs! Why would you complain about any CEO getting a raise?! Does not compute!

Posted by: Confused Liberal at January 29, 2013 09:40 AM (cv5Iw)

123 105 Go to Breitbart. Dear Leader has already said he won't sign this immigration bill.
Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 01:33 PM (Kk3Lm)

Every time a Conservative compromises he takes it and runs as far left as he can. TFG does not want compromise, he wants capitulation.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 01:35 PM (l86i3

THIS + 1,000

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 09:40 AM (UOM48)

124 We don't have to worry about OBama dividing and destroying the Republican Party. All they have to do is get them in to the Washington area. Isolate them from us and neutralize the threat.

Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2013 09:40 AM (FcR7P)

125 he's daring the GOP to sign it out of spite then sign it and jedi hand wave away all enforcement and grant on the spot amnesty....

I'll bet you a hundred web bucks.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 01:35 PM (LRFds)

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Hasn't he, more or less, already done this through EO? Me thinks that congress is just trying to catch up and not be totally irrelevant.

We're living in a tyranny now.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 09:40 AM (Kk3Lm)

126 Corzine gets musical notes. WTF

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 09:40 AM (KXm42)

127 Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 01:28 PM (1Y+hH) Now you got me curious. Off to google.

Posted by: Mindy at January 29, 2013 09:41 AM (8PYbo)

128 An ever growing % of voters are just voting in ethnic tribal blocs.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 01:39 PM (ZPrif)

Whites not voting as an ethnic/tribal block is an historical anomaly.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 29, 2013 09:41 AM (nZvGM)

129 118 flatbush joe,

Fun game....we beat that game rather handidly in 1620-1900

Can I call on illegal reinforcements of my own or do we try to have a sane society?

What comes next is the Demcorats fault as much as ours....

I am thinking I'd welcome a LOT of Russians all of the sudden.

Limbaugh just laughed at the blowback.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:42 AM (LRFds)

130 Republican Party. The asshole RINOs on this gang of 8 and Boner are doing it for him.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 01:38 PM (53z96)

Republicans are doing a great imitation of a dead body being drug behind some badass guy's chariot.

Posted by: Invictus at January 29, 2013 09:42 AM (OQpzc)

131 We're living in a tyranny now.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 01:40 PM (Kk3Lm)

This started four years ago.

And O/T, Juan Williams is a damned idiot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 09:42 AM (UOM48)

132 92 Hey obama is about to blow this immigration bill up anyway. They are saying he is also going to shove some gay marriage thing into the immigration bill. Obama is trying to break the Republican Party. We have to hold strong folks Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 29, 2013 01:33 PM (9Bj8R) The establishment of the Republican Party broke it with their addiction to "reaching across the aisle" to make kissy face with the Donks. We need a conservative party that reaches across the aisle only to beat the other side senseless.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 29, 2013 09:42 AM (Jcd0S)

133 All they have to do is get them in to the Washington area. Isolate them from us and neutralize the threat.

Hollywood for ugly people. They get pulled in every time.

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 09:42 AM (KXm42)

134 All they have to do is get them in to the Washington area. Isolate them from us and neutralize the threat. Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2013 01:40 PM (FcR7P) That happens when they get the Cogressman or senators friends and family six figure jobs on K street, Dept. of Ed or other Gov entities. They don't play ball, they don't get the primo no show jobs. It's the fucking supranos, thats all it is.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 09:42 AM (l86i3)

135 125 Soona,

he has not overtly legalized them because I think it will lead to war.

Not kidding.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:42 AM (LRFds)

136 109 So after all maybe Obastard will save us from this amnesty bill if he just overreaches a bit more. Odd, that he and not the GOP leadership may prevent something awful being put into law. I can't believe I'm saying this, but yes, Obama Save Us!

Posted by: runningrn at January 29, 2013 09:42 AM (Ag5D2)

137 Taxation without representation...

...and we will continue to do nothing.

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 29, 2013 09:43 AM (jEvoA)

138 Rather then try and convince the "brown" people that we like them thru some bs immigration bill, why done we make them happy with a federal marajuana bill. Establish a THC limit for end products, a federal tax, a policy of testing for jobs or benefits, a DEA/FDA regime, and allow states to administer it as they see fit.

Posted by: Jean at January 29, 2013 09:43 AM (S4AQU)

139 I could flip 70% of blacks to vote republican. All we need to do is say the right things.

And I don't mean we should be sounding like democrats.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 01:35 PM

Just tell them that Hollywood and the MSM are run by Jews who are keeping the black man poor and dependent, and that Jay-Z and Kanye are House ------ for the rich Jew

They'll believe that

Posted by: Low information voter at January 29, 2013 09:43 AM (wwsoB)

140 We keep trying to have policy arguments. Democrat voters don't care about that shit. There's nothing any Republican can say to get more than 20% of blacks to vote Republican. There's no argument possible. Blacks believe Republicans are white racists who hate black people. They are voting to fuck over their perceived enemy. The moment an immigrant steps off the boat or plane there's the Democrat-media complex telling them -- you know the Republicans are white racists who hate anyone who isn't a white Christian, right? Oh, yeah, they hate you and you're whole family. They hate blacks and hispanics and asians and Indians and Pakistanis and hindus and buddhists and muslims. Wouldn't it feel good to fuck over those racist white scumbags that hate your family? Sure it would. Vote Democrat. Oh, and here's some Free Shit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 09:44 AM (ZPrif)

141 We need a conservative party that reaches across the aisle only to beat the other side senseless. Thread winnah!

Posted by: runningrn at January 29, 2013 09:44 AM (Ag5D2)

142

46. Via Drudge PresNitWit Peteys little propaganda trip will cost taxpayers over 1.6 million a 9 hour trip for a half an hour speech in vegas. if we had a press instead of a bunch of Presstitutes they would call the Lyin kING on it, but with the state of affairs now they could just as well offer him some servicing on their nightly snooze show to save us all a dime. rush was on this today also, blackout by the Presstitutes as usual.

I guess the Tea Party needs to start up a welcoming committee for Petey wherever he shows up to waste our time and money.

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or submitt at January 29, 2013 09:44 AM (vXqv3)

143 128 somebody else,

yeah well that is pretty much Marxist!

The White race is not divided by color of skin it is divided by the color of envy.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:44 AM (LRFds)

144 Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 01:28 PM (1Y+hH) They're Lincoln's and MLK's Bibles. 'Cause Obama's second term is all historical and stuff.

Posted by: Mindy at January 29, 2013 09:44 AM (8PYbo)

145 Whites not voting as an ethnic/tribal block is an historical anomaly.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 29, 2013 01:41 PM (nZvGM)

At least half of whites these days are good for nothing but prison bitches.

Posted by: Invictus at January 29, 2013 09:44 AM (OQpzc)

146 There's nothing any Republican can say to get more than 20% of blacks to vote Republican. There's no argument possible. Blacks believe Republicans are white racists who hate black people. They are voting to fuck over their perceived enemy. I don't hate black people, I hate the way most of them conduct their lives.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 09:45 AM (l86i3)

147 We really do need some Conservative Community Organizer to start loudly and frequently pointing out all the connections between Democrats and the powerful rich. Someone who can show the Democrat base the money trail. Someone who will gin up some good, old fashioned class warfare between the Dems and their entitled, leeching masses.

Posted by: runningrn at January 29, 2013 01:39 PM (Ag5D2)

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That's exactly what Beck did when he was at FNC. But he cried sometimes, so people, and, yes, I'm looking at some of you here, totally disregarded his message.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 09:45 AM (Kk3Lm)

148 146 OSP,

but "tolerance" you gun nut, free market believing, honor invoking wingnutz!

Fuck the left

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 09:46 AM (LRFds)

149 That's exactly what Beck did when he was at FNC. But he cried sometimes, so people, and, yes, I'm looking at some of you here, totally disregarded his message. Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 01:45 PM (Kk3Lm) Yeah, he's still my hero. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 09:46 AM (l86i3)

150 Yeah the crying shit is pretty lame.

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 09:46 AM (KXm42)

151 We don't have to worry about OBama dividing and destroying the Republican Party. The asshole RINOs on this gang of 8 and Boner are doing it for him. Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 01:38 PM (53z96) In this case I am not so sure. This "compromise" might give us cover to fight the more left wing plan obama wants. It might just have screwed the pooch itself on this one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 29, 2013 09:47 AM (9Bj8R)

152 You know what Republicans really need? A voting bloc that increasingly favors Democrat policies like more government interference in the economy, more abortion, and same-sex marriage. Like the hispanic bloc. http://bit.ly/Vu3Wd4 Hispanics chose big government and higher taxes by an astonishing 75-19 margin. Even third generation Hispanics are to the left of the general public. In another survey, after the Democrat shift on this issue Pew finds: Â“More Latinos Now Favor Gay Marriage Than OpposeÂ”, by a healthy 52-34 margin. Hispanics believed Obama had a better plan for taxes by a 47-23 percent margin, while Obama lost Whites on taxes by a 32-44 percent margin. Hispanics supported Obama on Social Security by a 48-17 margin, while Obama lost won Whites on Social Security by a 26-40 percent margin. Hispanics supported Obama on Education by a 52-20 margin, while Obama lost Whites on Education with 33-39 percent margin. Hispanics supported Democrats on the crucial issue of Obama-Care by a massive 69-31 margin, while White opposed Obama-Care by a 39-61 margin. And a self-proclaimed hispanic conservative is just the guy to go hunting for that.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 29, 2013 09:47 AM (LyF0H)

153 this is Rubio's deal to us: Obama wants you to eat shit. But what I'm going to do, along with four Democrats, is make sure that Obama dips that shit in chocolate. We're going to make Obama promise he'll dip the shit in chocolate and sprinkle jimmies on it.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2013 09:47 AM (GcwH1)

154

"Just tell them that Hollywood and the MSM are run by Jews who are keeping the black man poor and dependent, and that Jay-Z and Kanye are House ------ for the rich Jew"

Blacks will continue voting for democrats until they are told in very stark terms who has been fucking them over for the past 40 years. They're doing bad and going downhill, they know it, and all they need is for someone to tell them who to blame.

Hispanics are on the fence. The best course of action with their vote is to ask them if they want democrats to "help" them just like they've "helped" the blacks.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 09:48 AM (ZDsRL)

155 Beck was the most effective conservative voice in mainstream media in the past ten years. You knew what he said was working cause how loudly the Left screamed. What he said hurt them. Beck was a serious threat. Which is why he was pushed off the air.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 09:48 AM (ZPrif)

156 That's exactly what Beck did when he was at FNC. But he cried sometimes, so people, and, yes, I'm looking at some of you here, totally disregarded his message.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 01:45 PM (Kk3Lm)

It isn't his crying , it's the occasional inflated ego tripping that is Becks problem.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 29, 2013 09:48 AM (AWmfW)

157 Nevergiveup, or Obama's left wing plan is there to give this one cover.

Posted by: Jean at January 29, 2013 09:48 AM (7PjX7)

158 I was just thinking that it would be nice to make a video with a flipping calendar showing all of the trips that were made by JEF with a background picture of the globe and animated lines showing all the back and forth. throw in an ever growing dollar counter at the bottom to show the cost of the trips. Next to that show a counter over the same time line of the actual number of unemployed Americans. Do this for 2008 to 2012. Dub over some audio of the JEF with his comments about Las Vegas and "sacrificing"

Posted by: Cold Rage at January 29, 2013 09:48 AM (ij1Gp)

159 We have decades of data on this. Mexicans and Guatemalans are socialists. They want big government. They want handouts.

You think America has a lot of low-information voters now? Just wait....

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 01:31 PM (1Y+hH)

I don't know about Mexicans but the Guatemalans I know work every day and do not want big government or hand outs

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 29, 2013 09:49 AM (R8hU8)

160 So let's offer our own free stuff. Like free private school education.

Posted by: SH at January 29, 2013 09:49 AM (gmeXX)

161 They're doing bad and going downhill, they know it, and all they need is for someone to tell them who to blame.

Or, you know, figure it out for themselves like grown ups.

I'll take the under on that.

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 09:49 AM (KXm42)

162 It isn't his crying , it's the occasional inflated ego tripping that is Becks problem. Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 29, 2013 01:48 PM (AWmfW) Any individual that steps on a stage in front of millions to teach hard truths must have an Ego. That's not a bug, that's a feature.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 09:50 AM (l86i3)

163 Hispanics are the fence? Are you an idiot? Look at votes. We have decades of votes. Hispanics are ultra-reliable left-wing voters. An ethnic group that votes more than 2-1 for the Democrats is not "on the fence". Jesus fucking Christ.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 09:50 AM (ZPrif)

164 I am indifferent. It's all going to burn anyway.

Posted by: toby928© at January 29, 2013 09:51 AM (evdj2)

165 If Happy Fun, LLC is off the table, why not shoot for Me Love You Long Time, LLC?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 29, 2013 09:51 AM (Jcd0S)

166

What did you expect from a Cook County hack? Did anyone seriously believe he was the only virgin in the whorehouse?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 29, 2013 09:51 AM (hLRSq)

167 Posted by: Jon Corzine

I want to go back to being a low-interest voter, please. The rage is making my barometric migraine worse.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 29, 2013 09:52 AM (ZKzrr)

168 if Rubio was smart... he'd say that he's representing the American people while Obama is representing illegal residents but our side is too stupid to know how to frame an argument

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2013 09:52 AM (1WM2H)

169 These days, I am so crabby all the time. This actually made me smile: "In a recent interview with The New Republic, President Barack Obama told one of his former staffers that he wasnÂ’t sure whether he would let his fictional son play football due to his safety concerns. When asked by a reporter about the remarks on Monday, San Francisco 49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh issued a witty response to the president, saying if Obama feels that way, Â“then there will be a little less competitionÂ” for his own son. Â“If President Obama feels that way, then there will be a little less competition for Jack Harbaugh when he gets older,Â” Harbaugh said, prompting laughter. Â”ThatÂ’s the first thing that jumps into my mind, if other parents are thinking that way.Â”'

Posted by: runningrn at January 29, 2013 09:52 AM (Ag5D2)

170 The big question Â— besides whether or not CNN can finally begin really challenging MSNBC and Fox News in the morning ratings again Â— is what happens to Soledad O'Brien, the network's current morning host. Her hard-hitting interviews on "Starting Point" have won her praise, but not large audiences. Even so, she remains one of CNN's more well-known personalities.

O'Brien was not mentioned in CNN's Tuesday press release. Nor were there any details given about what the "new morning show" will look like, or whether she will be involved in it. A spokesperson told TVNewser, Â“Soledad is very important to the network, and weÂ’re discussing various options with her."

Posted by: Deep Throat at January 29, 2013 09:52 AM (e8kgV)

171 If Happy Fun, LLC is off the table, why not shoot for Me Love You Long Time, LLC? Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 29, 2013 01:51 PM (Jcd0S) Nah, that's going to be an S Corp.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 09:52 AM (VtjlW)

172 With each news item the msm doesn't report/delays reporting, I loathe them and the dems even more. If you need a palate cleanser or need to restore your faith in humanity, here is a loathsome reporter being taken to the woodshed by a pro-lifer: http://tinyurl.com/atpkcdu Take away lesson? Be informed; stay focused on topic; do not cede an inch.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at January 29, 2013 09:52 AM (53riN)

173 Yeah the crying shit is pretty lame.

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 01:46 PM (KXm42)

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I cried in the late evening of this last Nov. 6th. So fuck you.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 09:52 AM (Kk3Lm)

174 Guatemalans vote more heavily Democrat than the average hispanic. Jesus. I dated a black Republican chick, doesn't mean blacks don't vote 90%+ Democrat. Anecdotes are not data.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2013 09:53 AM (ZPrif)

175 This is what Republicans should be hitting right now.

Go non-retard OWS. NOW.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 29, 2013 09:53 AM (xAtAj)

176 Any individual that steps on a stage in front of millions to teach hard truths must have an Ego. That's not a bug, that's a feature.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 01:50 PM (l86i3)

But he takes it too far. I like and liked what he did, but he stray too much.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 29, 2013 09:53 AM (AWmfW)

177 I cried in the late evening of this last Nov. 6th. So fuck you. Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 01:52 PM (Kk3Lm) Ditto

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 09:53 AM (l86i3)

178 So let's offer our own free stuff. Like free private school education.>>

This is a great idea since it would cut cost per student, they would get a better quality education and finaly it would starve the teachers unions. But the last one is why it will never happen.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 29, 2013 09:54 AM (81UWZ)

179

Hey, hurry up and charge up that hill, boys! I got a tee time with Lord Obama at 2pm.

Posted by: General Ambrose Boehner at Fredericksburg at January 29, 2013 09:54 AM (F6KtL)

180 But he takes it too far. I like and liked what he did, but he stray too much. Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 29, 2013 01:53 PM (AWmfW) Then we will agree to disagree.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 09:54 AM (l86i3)

181 new one

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 09:55 AM (53z96)

182

"Or, you know, figure it out for themselves like grown ups. "

Like that is going to happen..

I laid out the commercial yesterday where LaShawn, the 21 year old from D.C. tries to read from a Dick and Jane book and fucks it up. You have to make people squirm watching it. Liberals will scream racism from the tops of buildings with their hair set on fire, but that's when you ramp it up.

It has to made clear that because of democrats, most of the inner city blacks are illiterate. It has to be hammered home that the reason the prisons are filled with blacks is because of democrats.

No voting block is more loyal than one that feels they've been fucked over by the other party.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 09:55 AM (ZDsRL)

183 Internet tough guy. That's what the 4th time you've puffed your chest in here.

Douchebag.

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 09:55 AM (KXm42)

184 Any individual that steps on a stage in front of millions to teach hard truths must have an Ego. That's not a bug, that's a feature.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 01:50 PM (l86i3)

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Agree. Plus, don't make the mistake of assigning ego when it's really passion.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 09:56 AM (Kk3Lm)

185 Let's see. Democrats have most of the vote from Reds, Greens, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, GLBT''s. So an opposition party, Republicans for example, could compete for what's left.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 29, 2013 09:56 AM (eEfYn)

186 Fuck you too OSP.

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 09:56 AM (KXm42)

187

"...but our side is too stupid to know how to frame an argument"

Ain't that the truth.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 09:56 AM (ZDsRL)

188 The actual "data" from exit polls is that in 2012 blacks voted for Obama 95%. That is down slightly from 2008 when they did 96%

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 09:57 AM (53z96)

189 Hispanics are on the fence.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 01:48 PM

They're over the fence and they've looted the castle if that Pew survey posted above is correct

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2013 09:58 AM (wwsoB)

190 The actual "data" from exit polls is that in 2012 blacks voted for Obama 95%. That is down slightly from 2008 when they did 96% See?!? We're making headway!

Posted by: Karl Rove at January 29, 2013 09:58 AM (LyF0H)

191 Soledad OÂ’Brien was last seen wise-cracking with her old computer-generated avatar, Â“Dev.Â”

Posted by: Deep Throat at January 29, 2013 09:58 AM (e8kgV)

192 Nevergiveup, or Obama's left wing plan is there to give this one cover. Posted by: Jean at January 29, 2013 01:48 PM (7PjX7) Yup, but obama is so arrogant that I think it thinks it can do and say anything at this point.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 29, 2013 09:59 AM (9Bj8R)

193 Or the Republicans can close the gay gap:

From NYT:

GLB: Bamy 76 to 22
Non-GLB Bamy 49 to 49

This is only relevant until amnesty and paths to citizenship open up of course.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 29, 2013 10:00 AM (eEfYn)

194 154 Hispanics are on the fence _______ Fence?!!!! RAAAACIIIISSST!!!!

Posted by: Dante at January 29, 2013 10:01 AM (NWLVJ)

195 186 eleven,

You fucking everyone tweety pie?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 10:01 AM (LRFds)

196 O'Brien was not mentioned in CNN's Tuesday press release. Nor were there any details given about what the "new morning show" will look like, or whether she will be involved in it. A spokesperson told TVNewser, Â“Soledad is very important to the network, and weÂ’re discussing various options with her."
Posted by: Deep Throat at January 29, 2013 01:52 PM

We like Soledad, she's a good listener

Posted by: CNN audio crew at January 29, 2013 10:02 AM (wwsoB)

197 The Mex/etc. vote isn't about "handouts" and "Free Shit," you...Republican stereotypes.

What Mesoamericans want is a government that rules. And Democrats rule. One way they do this is via "redistribution," by picking who gets robbed (you) and who gets the stolen goods (single moms and Geithner's pals). Getting the goods isn't the main thing.

BusinessÂ™ wants the same thing from government, for the same reason--presumably more rationally, with more focus on goods-getting. But probably not much more rationally. Having another layer of management to suck up to, whether the sucking works or not, has its own value. To assholes.

Posted by: oblig. is on topic at January 29, 2013 10:02 AM (cePv8)

198 The Occuturds ought to start protesting this any second now

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 29, 2013 10:02 AM (RRVBX)

199 Hispanics are on the fence
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Only where there is a fence and only momentarily.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 29, 2013 10:02 AM (eEfYn)

200 Has anyone seen those shiny happy AIG commercials where they brag about their company being back (like GM), insuring against Sandy, etc.? Notice the deceit they employed when someone says, "We paid back every penny loaned to us by the government"?

Posted by: logprof at January 29, 2013 10:04 AM (WqKmU)

201 That's exactly what Beck did when he was at FNC. But he cried sometimes, so people, and, yes, I'm looking at some of you here, totally disregarded his message.
Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 01:45 PM (Kk3Lm)

Yeah, he's still my hero. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 01:46 PM (l86i3)

I think that he does a good job at exposing the left, but he was at his best when he was being funny. The Rush Limbaugh episode of Family Guy was on Adult Swim last night and I was thinking that it would be great if Beck did something like that.

Posted by: Calvin at January 29, 2013 10:07 AM (mMlqY)

202 Can somebody tell me how not to screw up the spacing when I make a comment?

Posted by: Calvin at January 29, 2013 10:08 AM (mMlqY)

203

Posted by: Mindy at January 29, 2013 01:44 PM (8PYbo)

Nice work, Mindy.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 10:10 AM (1Y+hH)

204 Can somebody tell me how not to screw up the spacing when I make a comment?

Posted by: Calvin at January 29, 2013 02:08 PM (mMlqY)

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Lim it comments

to a single word, apparently

Posted by: RioBravo at January 29, 2013 10:13 AM (eEfYn)

205 Let me guess: several former treasury department employees now have sweet jobs at AIG and GM.

Posted by: Peej at January 29, 2013 10:36 AM (ctaN6)

206 I call it the "FIP", Fascism Incentive Program.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 29, 2013 10:57 AM (9eDbm)

207 I am somewhat sympathetic to the idea that these loser companies might need to pay more for a CEO. If you are a skilled CEO, you need more money before you are willing to put a loser company on your resume. It's great if you turn it around, but it sucks if it is a total disaster and you can't save it; now you have a failure on your resume. I am not at all sympathetic to the same CEOs who were in charge when the company got into trouble getting raises. I'm pretty libertarian, and the libertarian solution is to just Let It Burn. No bailouts for companies. Let the market punish the losers. Let the prudent companies reap rewards for prudence. (The risky companies made good money in the roaring economy, and then cashed in on a bailout when things went south. They won twice! Bailouts punish the prudent just like immigration amnesty punishes the law-abiding foreigners who try to immigrate legally.) If we must bail out companies because they are Too Big To Fail or whatever, the price of the bailout should include that the CEO, CFO, and other C-level executives be just fired. That would tend to discourage companies from asking for bailouts if they don't really need them.

Posted by: mr_jack at January 29, 2013 12:13 PM (TMG3G)

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