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April 29, 2013

Should Republicans Wage Middle-Class Warfare?
— Ace

I sort of thought we already were -- albeit ineffectually.

Second look at full-on class warfare?

Posted by: Ace at 01:59 PM | Comments (85)
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1 If we're there -- albeit ineffectually. are we really there?

Posted by: Arbalest at April 29, 2013 02:00 PM (wlXcO)

2 foxnews benghazi whistleblowers

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 29, 2013 02:03 PM (R+6Q+)

3 Just end withholding, then you'll see some class warfare.

Posted by: Jean at April 29, 2013 02:04 PM (7PjX7)

4 BF Barry and I are welcoming Jason Collins to the WH tonite.

Posted by: Reggie Love at April 29, 2013 02:05 PM (kKzNI)

5 Bleg - who's that congressman that's collecting stories about government run amok? I've seen it here a couple of times, but can't find a dang link.

Posted by: rockhead at April 29, 2013 02:05 PM (jtTKf)

6 Yup sell ending automatic withholding to the poor as "keep your money and the rich don't benefit...

the minute people cut that check it's over.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 02:05 PM (LRFds)

7

No.

People assume that Republican and Democrats--or more to the point, the Right and the Left--are equal-but-opposite entities. This is not the case. What works for the Left does would not work for the Right.

The left strives off of class warfare and strife. This is not new, and has been the case since the enlightenment. Why would we stoke these fires and expect to come out ahead?

Posted by: dan-O at April 29, 2013 02:05 PM (9yNSM)

8 I swear to God...you all ever want a new post, just ask me to comment.

Reposting....

Whoa....did anyone just hear what the attorney (Victoria Toensing) for one of the Benghazi survivors said on special report? "They are threatening everyone. Not just people at State but the CIA too."

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 29, 2013 02:06 PM (X6akg)

9 benghazi special ops whistle-blower on foxnews

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 29, 2013 02:06 PM (R+6Q+)

10 Class warfare? Can we do it without me spilling my Dewars?

Posted by: John Boehner (R) at April 29, 2013 02:07 PM (8ZskC)

11 If Republicans wage class warfare, it should be a reprise of Reagan's attack on the welfare queens. Make people PISSED that they are paying for a huge cohort of able-bodied layabouts. Then again, with 40% of households using food stamps, maybe that ship has sailed.

Posted by: imp at April 29, 2013 02:09 PM (UaxA0)

12 You mean pitting one group against another?

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 02:09 PM (P6QsQ)

13 Yes. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 29, 2013 02:10 PM (WxO5p)

14 Joel Kotkin needs to learn the difference between class warfare and cronyism or corruption. They're not all the same thing.

Posted by: lowandslow at April 29, 2013 02:10 PM (7Nq2G)

15 who's that congressman that's collecting stories about government run amok?

I've seen it here a couple of times, but can't find a dang link.

Posted by: rockhead at April 29, 2013 06:05 PM (jtTKf)

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Senator Ron Johnson (R - Wisconsin)

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 02:10 PM (P6QsQ)

16 foxnews benghazi report is damning.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 29, 2013 02:11 PM (R+6Q+)

17 16 foxnews benghazi report is damning.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 29, 2013 06:11 PM (R+6Q+)

Extremely....and it's only part 1. Part 2 is on tomorrow.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 29, 2013 02:11 PM (X6akg)

18 Will Obama try to arrest that special ops guy for leaking info to foxnews?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 29, 2013 02:12 PM (R+6Q+)

19 9 benghazi special ops whistle-blower on foxnews

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 29, 2013 06:06 PM (R+6Q+

Yes, and OMG. Barry and Hildebeast are lying liars with the blood of brave and honorable men on their hands. The info that spec ops guy revealed was chilling. And heartbreaking.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2013 02:12 PM (lVPtV)

20 16 flatbush joe,

Yeah it's real timely as well...thank God we didn't hear any of the damning evidence prior to the election

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 02:13 PM (LRFds)

21 There are a lot of posts today.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 02:14 PM (P6QsQ)

22 Thx, mama winger.

Posted by: rockhead at April 29, 2013 02:14 PM (jtTKf)

23 Reducing gov't power would be the effective way to attack the power of the modern aristocracy, but I think that ship has sailed (compassionate conservatism will not die, unfortunately). The only other effective attack would be "confiscation of idle wealth" -- which is not really a good idea.

Posted by: wooga at April 29, 2013 02:14 PM (2wsy0)

24 Rockhead - He's my Senator, and a very fine man.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 02:15 PM (P6QsQ)

25 Fuck it, why not? We need to flip the history books back and place the Dixiecrats and the long history of racism in the Democrat party front and center. I'd bet only 1 out of 10 that have heard the Eugenics beginnings to Planned Parenthood believe it...so time to PROVE it. Ride it like a rented Burro.

Posted by: Gromulin at April 29, 2013 02:15 PM (SNjPs)

26 Should Republicans Wage Middle-Class Warfare? Need to come up with a different name. When I see the terms "left" & "war" I get this urge to start loading magazines.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2013 02:15 PM (kOAaX)

27 17 After Obama got re elected it was all moot(and kept the Senate).

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2013 02:16 PM (9XBK2)

28 I didn't mean to, but I started a scuffle over the weekend. Buddy I've known for 35 years started on politics but I didn't bite. he asked who my favorite pol was and I said I don't have one but I respect congressman Ryan. he got wee weed up. asked for his and he said al Franken. I laughed in his face and ended an off and on friendship that started in 1978

Posted by: TheThinMan at April 29, 2013 02:16 PM (aqSLg)

29 "Will Obama try to arrest that special ops guy for leaking info to foxnews?" Not sure I'd want to sign up for that detail.

Posted by: Jean at April 29, 2013 02:16 PM (k8qQE)

30 Whoa....did anyone just hear what the attorney (Victoria Toensing) for one of the Benghazi survivors said on special report? "They are threatening everyone. Not just people at State but the CIA too." Posted by: Tami at April 29, 2013 06:06 PM (X6akg) *********** Wouldn't be surprised if that applies to DOD personnel as well.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 02:17 PM (r2PLg)

31 I only caught the tail end of that Benghazi thing. Can anyone do a recap?

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 29, 2013 02:17 PM (GoIUi)

I'd just be happy for someone, anyone who is allegedly on our side to start pointing out the manifold ways that the Left is forcing able-bodied Americans out of the workforce.

Why aren't they saying,"If we had a robust economy, like we once had, and everybody had a job that wanted one, you would have a lot more money."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 29, 2013 02:17 PM (+z4pE)

33 Republicans need to be waging SOME kind of warfare, and preferably not against their own base.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at April 29, 2013 02:18 PM (YmPwQ)

34 "Will Obama try to arrest that special ops guy for leaking info to foxnews?" Not sure I'd want to sign up for that detail.

Posted by: Jean at April 29, 2013 02:18 PM (uRbX6)

35 30 I only caught the tail end of that Benghazi thing. Can anyone do a recap? Posted by: Miss Marple at April 29, 2013 06:17 PM (GoIUi) ************* Missed it too. I'm off to see if I can find anything out about it at foxnews.com

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 02:19 PM (r2PLg)

36 Re-branding the existing free market / limited government philosophy as class warfare might just appeal to economically illiterate geographers, journalists, bloggers and uninformed voters. I think it's an intellectual shit pie of mixed metaphors, debased terms, muddied meanings and rank confusion. But hey, these are the times we live in.

Posted by: Ajax at April 29, 2013 02:19 PM (6FGVd)

37 Yes, but warfare requires courage and that is only expected of the peasant class.

Posted by: wattyler1381 at April 29, 2013 02:19 PM (F2Vrz)

38 2 foxnews benghazi whistleblowers Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 29, 2013 06:03 PM (R+6Q+) WHAT DOES IT MATTER ANYMORE!??!? HILLARY IS RUNNING IN '16!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 29, 2013 02:19 PM (52n2x)

Ace,

Barky has been waging a War on the Middle Class...from the gitgo.

He knows that is where the real strength of this country is.

So he has been systematically setting out to destroy it.

He points to 'the rich' as the object of his disdain...

But he is pounding the Middle Class into the ground with the other hand.

Posted by: wheatie at April 29, 2013 02:19 PM (3B3wv)

40 I STILL say we could make progress by making this point to the young:

The government and the colleges have conspired to make YOU go into massive debt in order to support the ridiculous salaries and fancy buildings for the universities. They can ask whatever they want for tuition and they know the government will offer your the loan, even though they know there are no jobs available in most of the degrees offered.

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 29, 2013 02:19 PM (GoIUi)

41 What middle class? Anybody seen my wheelbarrow because I have to go grocery shopping

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 29, 2013 02:19 PM (n10od)

42 Don't see it at FOX website.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 02:20 PM (r2PLg)

43 foxnews benghazi whistleblowers *** Yes. And to the commenter here at AOS who scolded and lectured me, some time back, about my statement re the "silencing" of the survivors. A hearty Up Yours. It is human nature to speak about tragedy. The fact they were not, in itself, suggested a hushening.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2013 02:21 PM (piMMO)

44 Why? There won't be a middle class soon, there will only be poor Obama voters and rich Obama cronies.

Posted by: zsasz at April 29, 2013 02:21 PM (MMC8r)

45 28 the thin man,

Good...fuck 'em like animals with like animals

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 02:21 PM (LRFds)

30 I only caught the tail end of that Benghazi thing. Can anyone do a recap?

The guy said that we had a Special Ops Team close enough to Benghazi that night, that they could've gone to their rescue.

But no one gave them the order.

Posted by: wheatie at April 29, 2013 02:22 PM (3B3wv)

47 We're catching on. That's why the democrats want to import a bunch of Mexicans.

Posted by: African Americans at April 29, 2013 02:22 PM (Zv1QB)

48 What middle class? Anybody seen my wheelbarrow because I have to go grocery shopping *** $234 at Publix last week. Much of it on sale. Still barely filled half the cart.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2013 02:22 PM (piMMO)

49 33 Jean,

especially considering I'd stand with the guy and so would lots of folk....

Basically everything I wargamed and grenell backfilled on likely scenarios check out.

I am not happy to be right.

Fuck you Media and Obama

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 02:23 PM (LRFds)

50 The guy said that we had a Special Ops Team close enough to Benghazi that night, that they could've gone to their rescue.
But no one gave them the order.

Posted by: wheatie at April 29, 2013 06:22 PM (3B3wv)

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Dear Lord. This is beyond the pale.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 02:23 PM (P6QsQ)

51 Republicans are going to have to make a play for those making $250k to $1 million. There is a lot of money there, but it isn't "yacht money." And if they look like they are wiling to extract some more from the venture capital class living off low tax rates, they can free those with income but no real assets to acquire the latter. And it will kill Dems in suburban areas where they have to win (Philly, DC, and Denver). It might also bring a few states back into play. Repubs have been getting killed in the urban areas even though a lot of voters there are moderate-to-conserative on economic issues. Go after these voters and de-emphasize social issues.

Posted by: AlltheWay at April 29, 2013 02:23 PM (LGOX7)

52 39 Miss marple,

Yup...and I make that point...a lot...it reaches some young too bad NONE of our elected leaders make that fight.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 02:24 PM (LRFds)

53 foxnews report: Story #1 -- Multiple (4?) whistleblowers at State. Obama and Kerry (ie State) won't certify their lawyers to give them access to the classified briefings. Vague reference to other whistleblowers in CIA. Lawyer says her clients are being severelty threatened by the Obama administration, being told to shut up or else -- the exact thing the whistleblower laws are supposed to prevent. Story #2 -- Special Ops guys went on FoxNews in disguise and said pretty much everything Obama has said about Benghazi was a lie. There were multiple assets nearby and ready to go that could have intervened and saved the guys who died in the 2nd attack in Benghazi.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 29, 2013 02:24 PM (R+6Q+)

54 Dear Lord. This is beyond the pale.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 06:23 PM (P6QsQ)

Special Ops - QUICK RESPONSE 15 MEMBER TEAM!

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 29, 2013 02:24 PM (X6akg)

55 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2013 06:21 PM (piMMO) Who was silencing you? Some people said nothing will come of it. Or that no one cares. 90% sure on the first, 99.9% on the second.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 29, 2013 02:24 PM (52n2x)

56 Let's face it,a majority of American's now want a big government,as big as it is or bigger.Even many who say they want it smaller,if pressed couldn't tell you what to cut.

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2013 02:24 PM (9XBK2)

57 42 NDH,

it is and always will be a conspiracy an overt action by the admin to control the election data flow.

I always had your back on this matter NDH.

Fuck our electorate

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 02:24 PM (LRFds)

58 Short answer: Yes, Republicans should engage in more class warfare.

Not in the Fair Share, 99% vs 1%, soak the rich, income redistribution sense, that would be going too far. And wrong.

However, one of the big obstacles the GOP faces is the public impression of them only caring about The Rich and Big Evil Corporations.

Before you decry that it's an unfair stereotype, ask yourself what they've done to change that impression. Answer: Not a whole hell of a lot.

Much of the amnesty push from the right is very overtly driven by the Chamber of Commerce types who want cheap labor, including a constant supply of illegals. There's a reason that GOP amnesty supporters go weak on border enforcement.

With regards to taxes, we're losing the argument when it comes to people like Romney paying a low tax rate. Remember- his money wasn't made investing his own money, but that of others. Yet, he still enjoyed the same low tax rate on investment.

Is that something we really ought to be defending? Is it even defensible outside a reactionary "taxes = bad" kneejerk response?

Yet, any Republican who suggests that yes, there are some loopholes and deductions employed by the rich that should probably be done away with catches hell not just from the Grover Norquist set, but the base as well.

As long as the GOP keeps acting like the party of The Rich, people will see them that way.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2013 02:25 PM (SY2Kh)

59 Holy shit, there was nothing short about that, was there?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2013 02:26 PM (SY2Kh)

60 Benghazi thread up

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 29, 2013 02:26 PM (X6akg)

61 Special Ops guys went on FoxNews in disguise and said pretty much everything Obama has said about Benghazi was a lie. There were multiple assets nearby and ready to go that could have intervened and saved the guys who died in the 2nd attack in Benghazi.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 29, 2013 06:24 PM (R+6Q+)

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Dear God in heaven - imagine those poor families hearing this.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 02:27 PM (P6QsQ)

62 Hope Satan is warming up a special section for Barry and Hillary.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2013 02:27 PM (lVPtV)

63 Who was silencing you? Some people said nothing will come of it. Or that no one cares. 90% sure on the first, 99.9% on the second. *** No one was silencing me. I made a comment fairly early on that I had never seen such a successful silencing of Americans, re the Benghazi survivors, and someone here launched into a fairly insulting lecture about how I was wrong and, basically, an idiot.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2013 02:27 PM (piMMO)

I fear for the safety of that guy who just appeared on Fox...

His image was in the dark...and his voice was altered.

But someone will recognize who he is.

Stay safe, buddy...whoever you are.

And God Bless you for speaking out.

Posted by: wheatie at April 29, 2013 02:29 PM (3B3wv)

65 I made a comment fairly early on that I had never seen such a successful silencing of Americans, re the Benghazi survivors, and someone here launched into a fairly insulting lecture about how I was wrong and, basically, an idiot.

That bastard.

Insulting people by telling them they're wrong and an idiot is MY territory, dammit.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2013 02:29 PM (SY2Kh)

66
Class Warfare for Republicans
by Joel Kotkin

As a Truman-style Democrat...

Step 1.

Stop taking advice on what Republicans should do from Democrats.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 29, 2013 02:29 PM (kdS6q)

67 The democrats defend a broad front. Probe for the weak points, then pile on for the breakthrough

That was the Soviet's armor strategy

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 02:29 PM (/gHaE)

68 Found this at Forbes.com As Representative Rohrabacher wrote in an April 9 InvestorÂ’s Business Daily article: Â“The identities of those Americans who were there, including those who were wounded, has been kept from congressional investigators who have a constitutional responsibility to oversee U.S. foreign policy in situations exactly like this.Â” He further said: Â“It is widely believed, for example, that some of those involved in the Benghazi attack were also involved in the attack on the gas plant in Algeria in January where 37 hostages were killed, including three AmericansÂ…The false story of the Benghazi attack put out by the administration downplayed the magnitude of the radical Islamist threat that still faces our country.Â” Put that together with this: CBC News has confirmed the name of a fourth young Canadian sought for possible extremist connections, following a deadly attack at an Algerian gas plant. Sources say that Ryan Enderi, also known as Mujahid, a Libyan-Canadian from southwestern Ontario, is under investigation. Sources cannot confirm if Enderi is alive. RCMP Supt. Marc Richer said last week in a news conference that "the work with respect to the remains continues" when he was asked whether they were still trying to determine if the remains of other Canadians are at the Algerian gas plant. Enderi is believed to have travelled overseas around the same time as three other young men from the same London, Ont. community. Two of those men, Ali Medlej, Xristos Katsiroubas, were among the dozens killed in the Algerian gas plant attack by militants linked with al-Qaeda in January of this year. CBC News Le Monde reported a Canadian of Chechen origin was involved. There were also reports that Canadian documents were found on the bodies of two attackers. Canada initially denied the claims, but dispatched RCMP investigators to Algeria to verify the allegations. In March, Mounties announced they had found Â“Canadian human remainsÂ” at the scene. nationalpost.com

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 02:29 PM (r2PLg)

69 Insulting people by telling them they're wrong and an idiot is MY territory, dammit. *** how dare he!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2013 02:30 PM (piMMO)

70 @sven Not sure I'd "ef'em" but I no longer take any shit. he wants to still be a friend, I'm ok with that. Lost 2 sisters and 8 friends or so because I'm hateful. On the other hand it's liberating

Posted by: TheThinMan at April 29, 2013 02:30 PM (G0QM1)

71 Pity no one cares about Benghazi....it's just another Fox story. Not the way I feel, but the country will have a big snooze.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 29, 2013 02:35 PM (l3vZN)

72 Class warfare isn't a mistake, but "middle-class" warfare would be. The Republicans should embrace the productive classes of all income levels and attack the rent-seekers who represent the base of the Democratic party.

Posted by: DKCZ at April 29, 2013 02:36 PM (9/bcB)

73 If the GOP waged "middle class warfaer" that would trigger me, right quick.

Posted by: Law of Unintended and Unwanted Consequences at April 29, 2013 02:40 PM (pmsMR)

74 Jinx, nobody cared about it from day 1...because Romney or the GOP 'leadership" in Congress didn't make an issue of it. "bad optics", "politicizing death", etc, etc. Many of the LIV idiots out there think that Ben Ghazi is some dude.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at April 29, 2013 02:44 PM (YmPwQ)

75 No, the Republicans cannot engage in "middle-class" warfare, because the middle-class is predominantly white.

This war would last until the cries of "Racism!" arose, then the Republican leaders would roll over and urinate on themselves in supplication like whipped poodles.

Posted by: Links at April 29, 2013 02:52 PM (RgIRJ)

76 Just another post saying "All Republicans need to do to get my vote is adopt the Democrat platform". Not worth a link.

Posted by: infovore at April 29, 2013 03:00 PM (0llFJ)

77 69 the thin man,

Life's too short to waste it on the willfully stupid

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 03:02 PM (LRFds)

78 Repubs should wage campaigns on these things* --

a) sell the problem, sell the problem, sell the problem --

b) never let up on the responsibility to act -- keep saying the the left is irresponsible and never let anyone change the subject. [the converse can also be used -- gov't is illegitimate when it acts where they are not actually the one responsible - ie. Bloomberg's Big Gulps -- ties directly to Glenn Reynold's 2nd law of bad gov't]

c) always point out that the left is never reasonable or sensible. Show that every solution the left proposes is unreasonable and insensible -- and be brutal about it.

d) always point out that the left is not listening and they do not care. [that's right -- hit them square in the face with their own signature issue at all times. If they really cared, something would be different by now.]

There is no doubt that these things will eventually cross through the class warfare battle space because the left will drag the fight to that location. Doesn't matter -- take the fight straight into their face wherever it goes.

The fight is: the left acts illegitimately, the left behaves irresponsibly, unreasonably, and insensibly. OK -- some of you are saying to yourself: "Repubs say this stuff all the time, it just doesn't seem to work." You are right, and in part that is because they don't add the last part -- "the reason the left is failing is because they don't listen and they don't care."

In other words, go for their throat -- every leftist in politics has relied on their credibility about how much they "care" throughout their entire career. No matter how stupid they are, they get to claim they "care" and somehow that overcomes their stupidity. Screw that. Brutally attack that credibility head-on and crush it.

* all of this shamelessly stolen from the Bleiker Life Preserver -- it has just been reversed to form an attack.

Posted by: jc at April 29, 2013 03:28 PM (i8c5b)

79 I totally agree with Klotin. The GOP should feature some Victim of the Sequester every day! Then contrast the vet and unemployed who are taking cuts, the FAA debacle, the WH tour with the crap they actually spend money on.

Posted by: PJ at April 29, 2013 03:54 PM (ZWaLo)

80 36 Yes, but warfare requires courage and that is only expected of the peasant class.

Posted by: wattyler1381 at April 29, 2013 06:19 PM (F2Vrz)

Everything goes their way we will all soon be peasants.

Posted by: gracepmc at April 29, 2013 05:24 PM (rznx3)

81 "Stop taking advice on what Republicans should do from Democrats."

Of course you don't want to accept Kotkin (or Rand Paul) uncritically, but he's a rarity, like Micky Kaus - a liberal Dem who doesn't automatically drink the Kool-Aid. He's written quite a few pieces on how the blue state economic model is breaking down to the detriment of longtime Dem voters. It's something the Repubs, or someone on the right, should be able to take advantage of. He doesn't have all the answers but he's asking the right questions.

Posted by: FOAF at April 29, 2013 10:47 PM (Kz60W)

82 Hollowpoint has got a point. That will however mean that a two front war would have to be waged -- against the Dems, against the ones in your own party that act like Dems. I'm not sure Republicans really want to do that -- but it would win (if it's not sabotaged). Time for somebody to remember the forgotten man (for all you historical literature buffs out there). And yeah, I actually mean all meanings of the term -- have the forgotten men really been helped by this new deal? Or have they just been added to and further marginalized? Has the other forgotten man been helped? Or has he been pushed closer to becoming the other forgotten man? They may think they are really different (and thus it's easy to set them at each other's throats) -- but they aren't. There's yer class warfare...and it's been a hell of a set up (from both sides).

Posted by: citizen of the LoL at April 30, 2013 04:02 AM (DBkD3)

83 Bobby Jindal has been pushing this idea since the election.

Posted by: Bill C at April 30, 2013 02:04 PM (N0nja)

84 http://www.nbcnews.com/video/meet-the-press/50927822#50927822

Posted by: Bill C at April 30, 2013 02:06 PM (N0nja)

85 As defined at Hotair - yes

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