1 Your post  makes chocolate jesus cry.

2 He is not an American.  He is a Marxist. 

3 The ONLY way this will not come back to bite us is if the message of why it's happening gets to the average low-info voter.
We have FAILED at this EVERY TIME.

4 The republicans will do nothing as usual. The stench of corruption in D.C. is overwhelming. Un-fucking-believable.

5 Burn it---and jwest too. 

6 let it burn

7 Obama has not taken care that the laws of the United States be faithfully executed. No, he has to work twice as hard. Obama has taken care that the laws of the United States are not faithfully executed.

8 2 He is not an American. He is a Marxist. --- Whether he is a Marxist, a Stalinist, or some other form of "-ist" is within debate. However, there is no mistaking that he is, first and foremost, a narcissistic asshole.

9

There is a problem with defunding Obamacare.

1. If the GOP defunds Obamacare, the GOP will now own it in the eyes of the Low Information Voter.

 

2. Even if it is defunded, as pointed last year prior to the SCOTUS decision, it will only make it worse.

 

Full repeal is required.

 

10

Since there all already 5 posts...

 

what happened to your Rangers, Drew?

11

Knowing what must be done is step one. Getting the GOP (or any others) to actually do anything substantive is the unlikely step two.

 

Not exactly brimming with confidence here. Maybe I jsut need more coffee.

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

13 Shut Burn It Down
Scatter the stones.
Salt the ground where it stood.

14 Yup.  Shut it down.

Not much can be done to stop Obamacare, but I would suggest not even trying.

Implementation of Obamacare will be the GOP's ticket back to power in the Senate and the White House.  It is a gift.  It will be an unmitigated disaster..  but, it is still a gift.

As far as the IRS goes, I would suggest this is the perfect opportunity to introduce a flat tax system.  Let's put these mo fo's out of work.

Shut it down.

15 But if stopping this country from sliding into a 3rd world banana republic where the politically powerful can crush their opposition by using the power of government

We're a couple years too late.

Gibson Guitar.

16 Haha.
That's divertido es el loco Drew.

17 It's what should be done, but boner just want to blow obama.

18 And I like the post Drew, but is it really so good that it deserves the cross-post?

19 CSpan indicates Carney briefing at 12:45.

20 Most Congressional Republicans have been incredibly quite during all this. Of course on the other hand if your opponent seems intend on burying himself, why stop him from digging?

21

"Shut it down Mr. Speaker. Shut it down. "

 

Not enough Burning for my taste.

22 This sucks.

So either Congress impeaches Obama and he becomes a martyr or Congress does nothing and Presidents can get away with anything as long as they are historical.

23 Not just shutting things down, but people should be going to jail.  I want prison time!

24 Not much can be done to stop Obamacare, but I would suggest not even trying. --- The main thing I can suggest about ObamaCare is to block any potential "fixes" to this clusterfuck that don't repeal the whole thing. Pelosi said they had to pass it to figure out what was in it. Now they own it and the entire shitstorm to follow. Even with the media on their side, I think it will be hard for the Dems to win the argument using "It's the Republican's fault they didn't pass a fix to the signature Obama project we forced up the ass of the nation, sans lube."

25 Overreach !

26 Critics may have it wrong. Rather than withhold medical procedures, IRS may order daily colonoscopies for conservatives.

27

"8 Whether he is a Marxist, a Stalinist, or some other form of "-ist" is within debate. "

 

 

Try "statist" on for size; it covers both. Since the "you didn't build that" speech, which nobody seemed to notice was the socialist justification for nationalizing any company, "socialist" is a no-brainer, too.

 

28

I'm trying to imagine a possible world where John Boehner steps up and commits a deliberate act of political courage. *ponder ponder ponder*

 

Nope. 

29

Well, shutting it down is what they should have done from day 1.

 

I think at this point our best course of action is popularizing the idea of terminating the IRS altogether. Shouldn't be that hard.

 

if we had conviction and guts we'd be talking tax revolt.

 

leaving anything up to the GOP is a lost cause.

30 23 Not just shutting things down, but people should be going to jail. I want prison time!

Posted by: EC at May 20, 2013 10:32 AM (GQ8sn)

Yes.

It's probably even a human rights violation.

31 anyone mention this from yahoo news? (about an hour ago)

The Justice Department spied extensively on Fox news reporter James Rosen in 2010, collecting his telephone records, tracking his movements in and out of the State Department, and seizing two days of RosenÂ’s personal emails, the Washington Post reported Monday.

expect more explanations of ignorance and irrelevancy from Carney today.

32 Bravo! Fackin A right.

33 People seem to forget that shutdown = WIN for fiscal conservatism, regardless of the why or the optics or the petty details.

34 Speaking of totally dysfunctional governments....

Apparently, a Chinese fishing ship was seized by North Korean pirates, who apparently are North Korean military.  North Korea is supposedly deliberately targeting China.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...

35 if we had conviction and guts we'd be talking tax revolt. --- Problem with that one is that they have the machinery in place to permanently fuck with anyone they determine is a "tax protester". They can audit you annually, hold up any refunds, force your withholding higher, try to charge you with tax evasion, etc.

36 I don't actually know how shutting down the government will help, (wouldn't that mean obama would go full bore dictator) but I think everyone who feels this way should call Boehner's office.

37

My "favorite" part- the lil' fascist running the IRS op getting bonuses for her work at shredding the constitution.

To me, that paints the picture of this putrid excremental regime better than anything else- a middling, lint bespeckled bureaucrat stuffing her pockets while "just following orders" issued in the name of a mincing half retarded egomaniac with a bad golf habit and a brutish bewigged beard.

All while the Republic falls into tatters.  

38 INDEPENDENT PROSECUTOR NOW!

39

Am I the only one who read about the giant asteroid and thought "oh gosh, can't we apply a little English and get that thing to bend a little closer to Earth?  Come Smod.  Come!"

40 DrewM, buddy, I hope your financials are in order, and that you have a rainy day buffer for emergencies.

41 Hey, how about a real special prosecutor, and not some mealy mouthed well heeled cocksucker like that effete POS Ken Starr? 

42 Office of the Speaker: H-232 The Capitol Washington, DC 20515 Phone: (202) 225-0600

43 Speaking of totally dysfunctional governments....

Apparently, a Chinese fishing ship was seized by North Korean pirates, who apparently are North Korean military. North Korea is supposedly deliberately targeting China.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 20, 2013 10:35 AM (wtvvX)

They've done shit like this before.  Chinese trains that make deliveries into NK are suddenly plagued with "mechanical problems" or seized outright by soldiers because their own suck ass and can't be repaired.  They are truly fucked and don't know how bad.

44 When the Federal Reserve stops pumping up the markets with worthless money, we're all going down. 

45

You're appealing to the man whose first-born daughter just pulled a full-blown Stanley Ann Dunham by marrying a Rastafarian drug dealer?

 

Who's now gonna be pushing out little mulatto Baracks herself?

 

[Assuming her ovaries haven't shriveled up already like raisins - one can only hope.]

Heck, at this point, Boner is practically Barack's long lost uncle.

 

46 32 anyone mention this from yahoo news? (about an hour ago) The Justice Department spied extensively on Fox news reporter James Rosen in 2010, collecting his telephone records, tracking his movements in and out of the State Department, and seizing two days of RosenÂ’s personal emails, the Washington Post reported Monday. expect more explanations of ignorance and irrelevancy from Carney today. --- This is likely tied to the Stephen Jin-Woo Kim case, as Kim is being prosecuted for talking with Rosen about North Korea's potential nuclear tests. Kim's defense is that he is being charged with releasing much less sensitive information than Obama and company released through the Bob Woodward book "Obama's Wars" and that the government is stretching the definition of "espionage" to threaten people who may talk to the press.

47 Simple math will show that Obama will not be impeached and convicted. In fact trying to do so is folly. He will become a martyr to the left and his ultimate acquittal will only vindicate his history of abuse. THIS^^^^ a thousand times THIS! I have been trying to make this point on social media every time the right starts screaming IMPEACH!!! SHOULD he be impeached, yes. But he will not be impeached and trying to do so will hurt us, BADLY.

48 The House is powerless to stop the Federal Empire. The House is not the source of Empire revenue, we are. The system is set up such that the only way we can starve the Empire of money is to not earn any. They have us by the balls. There is no easy solution.

49

Drew, I gotta say "yes, and no".

 

 

When you say:

 

 "What can be done however is a full stop, nothing passes, nothing moves from the House of Representatives until substantive progress is made on rooting out the malefactors who have turned the executive branch into a hyper-partisan, unaccountable, enforcement arm of the Democratic Party."

 

 you ignore the fact that the President is almost certainly both the center and the source of all this. He has proven himself to be a lying, socialist, SOB, and has a track record of advancing by undermining others, not by actually accomplishing something himself. This is commonplace among people with NPD, for which he is the quintessential poster child; he has no other mode of operation, and will NEVER stop, even after he leaves office.

 

 

So if you accept that Obama cannot be impeached, you also admit that the malfeasance cannot be stopped.  All anybody can try to do is to keep him busy with investigations, to try to minimize the damage.

 

 

Beyond that, the House already has, at least partly, followed its mandate as the "Obama restraining order." Maybe we can see more of that.

 

50 40 My "favorite" part- the lil' fascist running the IRS op getting bonuses for her work at shredding the constitution.
To me, that paints the picture of thisputrid excrementalregime better than anything else- a middling, lint bespeckled bureaucrat stuffing her pockets while "just following orders" issued in the name of a mincing half retarded egomaniac with a bad golf habit and a brutish bewigged beard.
All while the Republic falls into tatters.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at May 20, 2013 10:37 AM (mm+xE)

 

The only way she could get those bonuses is with presidential approval.

51

This will not be a politically popular stand, at least at first.

 

Aaaand that right there is why it won't happen. 

 

EVERYTHING in Washington is about politics.   That's not   how it should   be   --   it should not only be Republicans who are disgusted by Benghazi and    the   IRS   and Fast and Furious.      They    should be considered a disgrace by anyone who calls themself    an American,    regardless of party affiliation.   But that's not how     Washington operates anymore, if it ever did.   EVERYTHING IS POLITICS.   Every event is viewed through a lens of how it will effect so-and-so's re-election, or whatshername's fundraising with XYZ constituency groups.      EVERYTHING.

 

In a way, that's      as bad as the scandals themselves.

52 5gal of gas and a match is a lot easier

53 52 The House is powerless to stop the Federal Empire. The House is not the source of Empire revenue, we are. The system is set up such that the only way we can starve the Empire of money is to not earn any. They have us by the balls. There is no easy solution. --- States exiting the Empire would starve it of money. Texas, Louisiana, et all saying "Fuck this shit" would bode ill for DC, given that the states most likely to remain, like New York, Cali, Rhode Island, etc., tend to be some of the most fucked in the country.

54 The revelations about the corruption and abuses of power within in the Obama administration has shown one thing very clearlyÂ…Obama has not taken care that the laws of the United States be faithfully executed.



Hell Crew, he has done everything he can do to make SURE the laws are violated by his crooked lackeys and him. 

55

"There is no easy solution."

 

Where's the love, man?

 

 

56

The only way she could get those bonuses is with presidential approval.

 

"Uh... I checked a box.  That's all I did.   I can't be held responsible for checking a box.  My advisors should have advised me not to check that box.  It's my advisors' fault."

 

-Preezy McSteezy

57 Last week, TheBlaze reported that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan invited the father of one of the radical Islamist activists killed on the 2010 Gaza flotilla to join the official entourage on his visit to the U.S. last week. And while sources familiar with lat weekÂ’s visit told TheBlaze that the father did not enter the White House or meet President Obama to deliver a personal letter about his son, according to the Turkish foreign ministerÂ’s Twitter account Secretary of State John Kerry did meet with the father and even posed for a photo with him. The Turkish news site Hurriyet Daily News reports that Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu arranged the breakfast meeting Friday where he, the father (Ahmet Doğan) and Kerry were present. Doğan reportedly updated Kerry on the “pending trial of Israeli soldiers involved in the” flotilla incident. Foreign Minister Davutoğlu posted the below photo on Twitter: The Blaze Hey we should impeach kerry for just being kerry

58 Pile it on. http://www.hapblog.com/2013/05/wayne-allyn-root-on-bill-cunningham.html Wayne Allyn Root on the Bill Cunningham Show: 'I Personally Know 15 People Who Wrote Out Big Checks to Mitt Romney and Within 90 Days Got IRS Audit Notices' [Audio] This is a must-listen. Wayne Allyn Root, classmate of Obama at Columbia talks to Bill Cunningham on his Sunday Night national program. He tells the story of how he was recently audited twice and gives details of how he believes it came directly from the top, the WH. Root, like a lot of others who have been critical of Obama, especially on a national level, have been targeted no doubt deliberately for political reasons by this administration. He discusses with Bill how an IRS agent called him on the phone and says the agent knew exactly who he was and that he guest hosted a radio show. Root then drops another bombshell, telling Cunningham that he personally knows of at least 15 people who wrote big checks to Romney in election 2012 and were audited within 90 days ht weaselzippers link to The Right Pundit

59 This is a Hate Crime.

60 There should be felony jail time with the possibility of execution still on the table.

Either that or burn the fucker down.

It is neither fair nor right to ask any American to pay taxes or otherwise comply with the IRS if doing so will subject you to scrutiny for your political views.

61 More important than resignations is jailtime, I think. Putting big and bit players in jail even for short sentences is vital for reducing this sort of occurance in the future. I'm not talking about Obama as that won't work and revealing his participation is the best we can get. Besides, who would risk putting Joe in the position of Most Powerful Human?

62 Drew congress doesn't need to go through a bunch of legislative crap.  They ahve systematically raped the laws.  We don't need to write new laws that they will ignore as well.


What needs to be done is for every House committee to hold a short hearing and then find them in criminal contempt.  Send those charges to the DC circuit court who is required by law to create a Grand Jury.


I would say create a new Special Counsel to investigate but that would require either Holder or the Senate and that will not happen.

63 The problem with impeachment is we do not have the numbers. The problem with "shut it down" is "but think of the children!" Lose either way. Let it burn....

64 58 52 The House is powerless to stop the Federal Empire. The House is not the source of Empire revenue, we are. The system is set up such that the only way we can starve the Empire of money is to not earn any. They have us by the balls. There is no easy solution. --- States exiting the Empire would starve it of money. Texas, Louisiana, et all saying "Fuck this shit" would bode ill for DC, given that the states most likely to remain, like New York, Cali, Rhode Island, etc., tend to be some of the most fucked in the country. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 20, 2013 10:43 AM (zA7Zp) I think it is the only way to go.

65 I've been a lurker for several years (post what? two comments - maybe) but recent events have made me more inclined to discuss what is going on. The destruction this administration has caused is incalculable. I don't mean Obamacare, or the hollowing out of the military, or even the abject failure to allow a revitalized economy to develop. The destruction to which I'm referring is cultural and societal in nature. A society of informed citizens, under our system of government, must balance two distinct attitudes; the first is a belief that the government can, and will, arbitrate disputes fairly, provide for national defense, and apply/enforce all laws and regulations equally. The second is the suspicion that government can, and will, grow too large, and begin to infringe upon the very freedoms that it was designed to protect. Without that balance, a hyperpolarized society emerges - which we are seeing now. One part of America blindly trusts the President and his administration no matter what they choose to undertake. The other group recognizes the President's utter contempt for constitutional constraints on executive power and is rightfully worried that his administration is acting well outside the boundaries of law. These two groups have mutually exclusive views, and they cannot be reconciled by intellectual argument. I'm straining to make this comment as non-partisan as possible, but the default position of the modern Left is to argue from emotion, rather than empirical fact (consider their need to enforce absolute adherence to climate change theories and political correctness). The administration has shown itself to be untrustworthy in many cases, criminally negligent in some cases, and acting with malice aforethought in others. These past few weeks of revelations about the IRS, Bengazi and the AP are going to cause further entrenchment in the views of both previously identified groups of citizens. And, as I mentioned before, a healthy society needs to balance trust of government with skepticism and suspicion. This administration has made that impossible, and the country will spend many years suffering for it.

66 Chaffetz acknowledges that House speaker John Boehner is wary of moving too swiftly against the president, but the brash, 46-year-old conservative is tired of waiting for answers. He’s ready to issue subpoenas and schedule more hearings. His chief concern is that the White House, which he says is staffed by “self-preservationists,” seems to be hiding documents related to the attack and the president’s decisions, in order to protect the administration from scrutiny. “They’ve released 100 emails, but there are thousands of documents that we still need to see,” he says. “The truth gets colder as time goes on, so we need to stay vigilant.” “Now, the speaker has more patience than I do,” Chaffetz says. “He has told me to be patient, that the truth will eventually surface. But I’m not a patient person, and if this administration makes us do this the hard way, that’s what we’ll do.” patience, my @$$ http://www.nationalreview.com/article/348752/impeachment-option-robert-costa

67 Let us take to the streets in numbers far greater than anything they's ever seen.  "Re-Occupy America." 

68 Count me in with the Do Not Impeach folks. Our impeccable standing with the voters and strong media influence might be weakened.

69 Between the Donks and the RINOs, the future of the US looks bleak.  I sear, Obama must have pictures of Boehner ass-raping a little boy.   I can't imagine why else he is such a limp worthless POS.

70 Root then drops another bombshell, telling Cunningham that he personally knows of at least 15 people who wrote big checks to Romney in election 2012 and were audited within 90 days --- This should get fun. Dims like to yell about how Bush's victories in 2000 and 2004 were "illegitimate" and about Nixon's plumbers raiding the DNC offices in Watergate, but I'm fairly certain Bush didn't sic IRS auditors on all of Kerry's big donors.

71 Problem with that one is that they have the machinery in place to permanently fuck with anyone they determine is a "tax protester".

The real problem with tax-revolt (which underlies the problems you mention) is that it would take a significant portion of the tax-paying public (that is: people who actually pay net taxes) to refuse.  If they don't, then anyone who does is screwed. 

OTOH, if they do the country shuts down.

72 So we have to trust the IRS and we saw what happened And holder says we have to trust the drones over US soil Remember those?

73 "3 The ONLY way this will not come back to bite us is if the message of why it's happening gets to the average low-info voter." The low info voter gets their news from the palace guard media, if they get any news at all. Factor in the GOP can't get through the media filter due to general incompetence and yeah we're screwed.

74 Mr. President, when did you last do blow and when did you blow it. 

75 The problem with impeachment is we do not have the numbers. The problem with "shut it down" is "but think of the children!" Lose either way. Let it burn.... Posted by: backhoe at May 20, 2013 10:47 AM (ULH4o) Most of us here are just kidding about impeachment at this point. We know we do not have the numbers. But we need an independent prosecutor and we have to tie this criminal admin up in so many knots that they will have trouble even wiping their asses the next 3 1/2 years.

76

Ya' know it's getting really hard to conjure up any personal happiness, as-of-late.

It's bad enough that you cannot go one friggen' day with out seeing Captain Zero or Jay, The Wonder Swine on the news feeds, but when are they going to actually pre-read what they chortle, and realize that they've got no [as-in NO] credibility with anyone who has more than a brain stem to cogitate with.

Who's got a joke to cheer me up with ?? I don't care who it offends, in fact, the more horrendous it is, the better I'll 'Heart' it.......

So, how 'bout it,  kids..........?

77 For the record, a civilian GS employee receiving a bonus that large must be signed off by the president.

78 And yes, the Republicans will squawk loudly.  The will posture and preen on the TV and on Fox news and then do NOTHING.



As I said earlier.  Issa started the hearings on Fast and Furious in 2011, 3 damn years ago.  NOBODY has been held accountable yet.

79 “He has told me to be patient, that the truth will eventually surface.

***

500 years from now, a Harvard historian will write a scathing history.

80 Shut this mother fucker down...

81 Partial list? This barely scratches the surface.

82 RTing this in 3..2...1

83

Posted by: SterlingtheBandit at May 20, 2013 10:47 AM (xfjxG)

 

Welcome to the Horde.

84 Shut. It. Down. Let. It. Burn.  Wave you Dan Foster's as it happens!

85 Fuck this shit... Follow me to the Gulch!

86 Shut it down? But we've just about reached a deal on amnesty!

87

The house writes the checks.  Shutting down the IRS for a while.

 

Does anyone think there will be serious protests.  If so you are out of your fucking minds.

 

Americans will throw a parade for shutting down the IRS.  Plus, most will pay taxes just as normal as they can go back 7 years once they're cleaned out.

 

Win Fucking Win.

88 Okay So you RINOs don't want to impeach Fine I say we make him have sex with michelle

89 Low level Democrat workers at the IRS need to go to prison on the same charges that sent those LA cops to prison after the Rodney King riots.  The charge was something like depriving someone of his rights under color of law.

Those LA cops got two and a half years for one instance.  Multiply by however many instances.  I actually think that might be a winning political strategy because ordinary people hate the IRS and we have the previous example.

When low level flunkies roll over on the higher ups, you can trace the conspiracy higher up the food chain all the way to the Cabinet.

Impeachment, however is never going to happen.  Just leave Obama alone and powerless as all his underlings fall one by one or all in a bunch.

90 So is this "smoking gun" story legit?

91 http://tinyurl.com/lcqqyaw

"We're pointing a pistol at our heads. A government of, by, and for the people requires that people talk to people, that we can agree to disagree but do so in civility. If we let the politicians and those who report dictate our discourse, then our course will be dictated.

Why am I alarmed? Because two "scandals" -- the IRS tax-exempt inquiries and the Department of Justice's tapping of reporters' phones -- have become lynch parties. And the congressional investigation of Benghazi may become a scandal in itself."

Raaacist, gun-totin' scandal-makeruppin' teabaggers!

92 Any Rep that voted to keep Boehner as Speaker should get booted next year. Fucking ball washers they are.

93 The pain and anger is still too dilute to cause action against the Empire, but we can help by spreading the idea, the truth, that we fight an Empire disguised as a Republic.

94

>>  The Low Information Voter decides who to vote for based on the name of the candidate stretched across Katty Perry's ta-tas.

 

 

Their full names. 

 

Maybe even their contact info, too.

 

 

 

95

BTW, am I the ONLY one who noticed that IRS witch was getting bonuses (and one source said bonuses that big have to be authorized from the President) while this was going on, and AS SOON AS THE ELECTION WAS WON she was promoted?

 

 

Sounds to me like she was being paid by the administration to go after political enemies one way during the election, and once the election was over - and had proven her loyalty - was promoted into a new spot, where she could do the even more of the same?

96 I agree with DrewM., imagine that. Well except for one thing, I think you could get Boehner to act. After the Tea Party rallies at the IRS they should target Boehner and Cantor, lord knows there isn't anyone in the House that will go after them.

97

I say we make him have sex with michelle

 

 

Cruel. AND.  unusual.  

 

I like it.

98 Good points, but the GOP is too spineless to act on any of them.  The GOP still thinks the Media will be their boyfriend someday, as long as they keep putting out for free, it has to happen, right?

99

This government is being run like the goddamned Baltimore City Jail.  And there is no accountability in blood red Maryland either.  Right Martin? 

100 The stench of corruption in D.C. is overwhelming.

Posted by: clonefan at May 20, 2013 10:23 AM (7bvJx)

Exactly.

But what is different about this administration is that the are so brazen...they don't even bother hiding it anymore.

101 We all knew Boehner has been neutered, the question is are you ready to cut the the legs off the Beast?  You created the Bovine and now we need to slaughter it..

102 BUSH LIED TO PRESIDENT OBVAMA AND SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

103

The stench of corruption in D.C. is overwhelming.

 

 

You should smell yourselves!

104 Congress in toto must do something; something more than just hold public hearings. It is unlikely that democrats will support anything from the GOP so the only thing the GOP can do is block everything. No deals, no compromise, no budget, no debt ceiling increase, and take the heat for it. It is what should be done, but . . .


For 3 and a half years? The GOP would never hold up, and Obama and the democrats know it.

It's one of several things I have been saying for years, that the liberal left has learned over the last 50 years that if they demand something and are denied, then escalate their demands; demand even more and make the demand more vehement, threaten violence. Remember Clinton and the nineties welfare reform? The democrats in congress threatened that the cities would burn. Newt held the republicans in the house together, and forced Clinton to claim welfare reform as his own idea. Call Obama's bluff, he hates that.

105 #95  Usually, Mooch reaches for her strap on and gives it to him good. 

106

Btw, the problem with the GOP is that they don't understand the everyday American.

 

Yes, lying about some side action is bad, but most view that as a mere moral failure.

 

Obama's scandals, in contrast, are real fucking scandals that go the heart of what the fuck his job is and are malfeasance to the core.

 

Impeachment for that kind of shit, i.e., letting our people die and then lying about it, would get much more approval and be treated kinder by history.  No need to convict in the Senate, it won't happen.  Just to disgrace this fuck.

107 IRS Out Of USA!

108 The real problem with impeachment is that it is pointless. Obama, as big an asshole as he is, is not the problem. He is a symptom, an enabler. The real problem is the federal bureaucracy and federal unions which are overwhelming liberal and in favor of even bigger gov't. Then NTEU which is the union behind this scandal has been suing the federal gov't, and specifically Republican administration, since the Nixon years for ever bigger gov't. And they keep winning. Obamacare proposed a massive increase in the size of the IRS (estimated 16,000 new agents) and that means more union dues. Conservative groups, as we know, were violently opposed to this. I'm not saying that Obama wasn't involved in the targeting and I firmly believe he was but is it any wonder that IRS complied? We are the enemy of our federal government as it is currently constructed. Until that problem is dealt with we're just rearranging the deck chairs.

109

"The destruction to which I'm referring is cultural and societal in nature."

 

A culture within which it is socially acceptable for the eldest daughter of the Speaker of the House of Representatives to marry a Rastafarian drug dealer is a culture which is headed for the ash heap of history.

 

And it's a culture which reflects [or precedes] a gene pool that is heading straight back to the jungle.

 

110 Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2013 10:50 AM (DR87x) Thanks for the welcome garrett. I'm proud to be a Moron.

111 #110  With the stench coming from Maryland, it is just f-ing awful. 

112 But if stopping this country from sliding into a 3rd world banana republic where the politically powerful can crush their opposition by using the power of government isnÂ’t a hill worth fighting on what is? If the GOP wonÂ’t make this stand, what exactly is their purpose

Day late.

Dollar short.

113 Let's also organize and protest at the U.N.  I want that fucking garbage dump out of here. 

114 Posted by: SterlingtheBandit at May 20, 2013 10:47 AM (xfjxG) Oh I agree and would add that the modern left doesn't even want the law applies equally, and in fact wants it to persecute us.

115 I like "Re-Occupy America"

116 I pissed on Saul Alinsky's grave last night. 

117 FBI, ATF going after Tea Party people while flashbang and speedbump are buying pressure cookers, nails, ball bearings with their EBT cards. Wasting resources while people die.

118 115. So you're saying to beat the federal workers first? Hmmmmmm *****eyes tree branch, thinks about wife**** Maybe

119 I thought I'd seen this before. If the GOP wonÂ’t make this stand, what exactly is their purpose? Yup. There has to be some resurgence of Congressional power. Co-equal, do you speak it and all of that. The growth of the Executive as the dominant branch has been going on for a long time and TFG is now taking it to the place that it was always headed.

120

No need to thank me.  I just hang around to piss in the fish tank and leave Ace the occasional upper decker.

 

But you are welcome.  Take off your pants and make yourself at home....

 

Just be aware that when Ace stops by to drop off your AoSHQ  StyleGuide and your complimentary 'The Guys Get Shirts' T-Shirt, he'll be wanting  some  alone-time  with your garbage.

121 125 FBI, ATF going after Tea Party people while flashbang and speedbump are buying pressure cookers, nails, ball bearings with their EBT cards. Wasting resources while people die. --- But of course. This is an administration who has "never let a crisis go to waste" as a motto. Their big goal is to ensure that they and their friends continue to hold power. Everything else is secondary.

122 @markknoller SURPRISE: WH Briefing delayed from 1230pm to 130pm.

123 way OT, but solar panels can catch fire? http://tinyurl.com/kgbgfqo GREEN FAIL: Solar Panels Catch Fire on High School Roof – Black Plume Seen for Miles gatewaypundit

124
I'll shut it down after a couple more highballs, and some cigars.

125 "States exiting the Empire would starve it of money.

Texas, Louisiana, et all saying "Fuck this shit" would bode ill for DC, given that the states most likely to remain, like New York, Cali, Rhode Island, etc., tend to be some of the most fucked in the country.

Posted by: Brandon in Baton Rouge at May 20, 2013 10:43 AM (zA7Zp)"

Aside from other issues involved in secession, it is probably essential to have nukes in order to make it stick.  That is a pretty significant hurdle to cross. 

Maybe the prospect of Iran selling nukes to Texas might finally get Obama to take the Iranian nuclear program seriously.

126 130 @markknoller SURPRISE: WH Briefing delayed from 1230pm to 130pm. --- NEVER go to a meeting that can start without you. If they wait on you, that means it's important!

127 I just saw a tweet from a leftist crowing that the "scandals " (his scarequotes) aren't hurting Obama at all, citing a bunch of polls. He even claims that his approval rating is up to 53 %. I really have to try to force myself to become an LIV because I hate this fucking feeling of despair.

128
Shut it down Mr. Speaker. Shut it down.




But but -- #MakingLifeWork!

Posted by: The Squeaker of the House

129 Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 20, 2013 10:56 AM (dScAL) Huma, I tend to agree. That's why I consider myself conservative. Progressivism is terribly closely linked to fascism and tyranny, and collectivism is responsible for hundreds of millions of needless deaths. Unfortunately, we have a population of voters who are not citizens, in the truest sense of the word. And we have entitlement problems - not SSA/Medicare. I have an old friend on Facebook who is constantly agitating for polyamorous marriage. She believes that she and others are entitled to marry as many people as they want, fabric of society be damned. I also have a friend who recently failed out of the Marine Infantry Officer Basic course. She admits that she couldn't make it through, but progressives have nurtured a culture in which it is impermissible to point out basic facts about race, gender and sexuality. So more succinctly, I agree with you. We're already in the midst of civilizational decline; it won't be the barbarians at the gates that destroy us - it will be those who wish to re-make the country in a vast collectivist, value-free, non-judgemental subservient model. And an ignorant or apathetic population will support the transition, or fail to oppose it.

130 Aside from other issues involved in secession, it is probably essential to have nukes in order to make it stick. That is a pretty significant hurdle to cross. Maybe the prospect of Iran selling nukes to Texas might finally get Obama to take the Iranian nuclear program seriously. --- You don't need ICBMs if you are talking about a cross-country flight. There are nuke at plenty of Air Force bases in this country, a number of which are likely to be in red states and staffed by people who would tell Obama to fuck off.

131 'The Guys Get Shirts' T-Shirt

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2013 11:01 AM (DR87x)

#twoweeks

132 @markknoller SURPRISE: WH Briefing delayed from 1230pm to 130pm. Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2013 11:02 AM (X6akg) Hey, now, it is a surprise that they announced the delay first. I pity the poor intern who has the job of luring Carney out from under the stair case where he's curled into a fetal ball. Can't sleep. Press corpse will eat me. *waves at Sterling* Welcome! Remember, the Horde doesn't bite. Much.

133 OT. So today I have to get my bi-annual DOT physical Why is it it's quick and painless but when I was in the navy it always ended with a finger in my ass?!!! Damn you navy!!!

134 The ONLY way this will not come back to bite us is if the message of why it's happening gets to the average low-info voter.
We have FAILED at this EVERY TIME.

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at May 20, 2013 10:23 AM

They're not low-information, per se, but low-give-a-shit voters.  Obama is their man, ain't nothing going to change their emotive process.

135 How can you shut something down that's about to collapse?

136 Shut it down Mr. Speaker. Shut it down. Yeah, I used to cheer for the Washington Generals, too, back when I thought they were real games.

137 A jelly spine generally leads to being trampled on.

Boehner is just staying consistent. He's made a habit of rolling over for pot smoking losers so as not to rock the boat whether its in Congress or at home.

Why fight Obama now?

138

"I just saw a tweet from a leftist crowing that the "scandals " (his scarequotes) aren't hurting Obama at all, citing a bunch of polls. He even claims that his approval rating is up to 53 %."

 

Maybe we could ask Boner's new Rastafarian son-in-law for his opinion of the Choomer-in-Chief.

 

 

139 Why is it it's quick and painless but when I was in the navy it always ended with a finger in my ass?!! Damn you navy!!! Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 20, 2013 11:07 AM (hXDld)

Pro tip:  Don't bear down

140 looks like the Justice Dept. is going to be throwing the book at Rosen of Fox news... they found their scape goat...

141 if the girls don't get girl t-shirts i call for a revolution

142

I've been on  the 'everyman for themselves'  wagon  for  quite  awhile  now.  Its my opinion that the electorate has crossed the Rubicon regard to being more takers and  Left  than what was previously a silent and  government self correcting conservative majority.

 

I've lifted that burden of worrying about what is going to happen to this country and directed my focus  on preparing for the inevitable.  

 

That said,  I will always be prepared to lend my hand to any effort that appears to have a valid chance to change this situation.   Key word,  valid.  I'm not going to be  jousting with any windmills. 

143 Anybody who thinks this is going to result in electoral gains for a Republican Party hasn't been paying attention. The radical left controls the IRS, the voting process, and the flow of information. Even if The Republicans actually won against those insurmountable odds, what have they shown you that demonstrates they're willing to change direction?

144 A culture within which it is socially acceptable for the eldest daughter of the Speaker of the House of Representatives to marry a Rastafarian drug dealer is a culture which is headed for the ash heap of history.

Do you have a link that proves Boner's SIL is really a drug dealer, or do you just hate black people?

145 149. You guys get stompy boots so hush

146 if the girls don't get girl t-shirts i call for a revolution

Girls get tank tops.

147 Too bad all we got is John freakin Boehner.

148 Yeah, but in the navy they let you have rum with your sodomy

149
We've fallen into the Banana Republic territory, although it might not currently look like it.  Boned.

150

Boehner to media:  "Mr. President, it's time for real answers--who will you be putting in jail as a result of these scandels?"

10 minutes later:

Boehner:  "Hello, Mr. President.  When is our tee time?" 

 

151 "John Boehner saves  the Republic."

 

Yeah,  me neither.

152 My open letter to the speaker of the house Dear mr speaker, Grow a spine you jellyfish drunk You suck Fuck you Love ncj

153 Shut it down!

154 heather his son in law when to jail

155 Who cares about the electoral    cost/benefit of impeachment?  How about going for constitutional government instead?  You aren't going to win any friends by  backing down on important issues.

156 Remember, the Horde doesn't bite. Much.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 20, 2013 11:06 AM (VtjlW)

Legalese will get you killed around here.

Emus don't bite.

157

On the impeachment issue, hoo boy do we have a problem.  This administration is way more corrupt than Nixon ever dreamed of being. There are two major roadblocks to impeachment that Nixon didn't have. First is what Brietbart called the "Democrat-media complex", of course.  The other big one is the one nobody want to talk about - racism. A particular demographic group doesn't even follow what TFG does, and suffers double the unemployment rate that we saw in the Depression, but will always support him - because he is not white.  This is our own chickens coming home to roost, as we let the Left call us racist and get away with it for decades, even as they institutionalize racism against white people (and Asians, BTW).

 

 

Yet, the Republic cannot really function with a President who openly flouts the law, and tells outlandishly obvious lies to the people with regularity.  At least, what, five? major departments in the executive branch have been found to be outrageously corrupt, and are pretty bold and shameless about it.  People who are outspoken supporters of the Constitution literally being persecuted, and that is beyond absurd.

 

 

This is not Watergate; this is Watergate squared.  We need to find a new way to deal with it. We have a virtual Constitutional crisis on our hands. We need to find a way for to get the average person making cracks about Obama in a way that equates him with Stalinist Soviet leaders, Nixon, and corruption in general. It is only when he finally becomes the laughing stock that he should have been long ago that he can be neutralized.

 

 

158 138 Buddy Acker
On Fox, 17 Air Force officers removed from missile launch duties
http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy7wxtd

It's not clear from the article, though it appears that these officers were removed for failing to maintain standards. However, knowing Obama one might well ask if they are being removed because they would not follow an order to launch if that order came from Obama.  It's the old story of a tyrant replacing officers whose loyalty is to the nation rather than personal loyalty to Dear Leader.

There was also an incident under Bush where the Air Force 'lost' accountability for a nuke which did (or didn't) go for a ride on a B52.  Complacency happens.

159 it says for possession when =went.....moar teeeeeeeeeeeeeea!

160 Please, for the love of all that is holy, proofread and edit this post. It is a good post, but could be a great post. My English-teaching grandma is crying from heaven. Spell we much, we must... and we will much... about that, be committed.

161

The other thing  that makes me take the 'everyman for themselves'  stance is the constant  blaming and whining and the spead of misinformation   about  'Republicans  and Republican  party'  by those supposedly on the same side as me more than they whine and blame the Democrats. 

 

 

 

 

  

162 Aside from other issues involved in secession, it is probably essential to have nukes in order to make it stick. That is a pretty significant hurdle to cross.


Why is that?  The places that make nukes are all in the South.

163

WH Press Corps to Blarney Carney:  How do you deal with three scandels?

Blarney Carney:  "Well, three scandels, I mean ...." 

Obama (somewhere on a golf course):  Fore!!!!!

164 Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 20, 2013 10:56 AM (dScAL)

Go away.

165 Girls get tank tops.  Posted by: EC at May 20, 2013 11:11 AM (GQ8sn)

Guys get Super Soakers

166 @165: "We have a virtual Constitutional crisis on our hands." "Virtual" isn't the word.

167 The real problem with tax-revolt (which underlies the problems you mention) is that it would take a significant portion of the tax-paying public (that is: people who actually pay net taxes) to refuse. If they don't, then anyone who does is screwed.
============
Also known as: "IF we don't hang together, we will most assuredly hang apart."

Our Founders were well familiar with this and we'd be wise to heed them.

The only way this government--the Chicago Way--works is if they can single one out at a time--make an example, keep the rest in line.

Here's the number: 100,000. I figure that is the minimum of open tax revolts needed. But, we'd have to hang together and take care of each other as their first move will be to jail and seize assets; we'd have to mutually support their families, etc.

A "sanctuary" city makes this possible . . . .

Once the jails and seizures fail, when the courts and jails are full and still more refuse to pay, they will move on the armed assaults. The fascist state only knows escalation . . . .  

So, are you willing to lose your job, your house, your everything in the name of freedom?

How close are we getting to ordinary men saying, "the scale has been filled and the balance tipped?"

168

#169  Obama is pay back for George Bush.  After Bush, the "Republican brand" was in the gutter---right where he left it. 

169 Girls get tank tops.

Posted by: EC at May 20, 2013 11:11 AM (GQ8sn)

#twoweeks

170 So today I have to get my bi-annual DOT physical
Why is it it's quick and painless but when I was in the navy it always ended with a finger in my ass?!!!
Damn you navy!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 20, 2013 11:07 AM (hXDld)

If you are over 40 and get a physical and they don't give you the finger in the ass then you are being short changed.

If you had ever seen someone die of prostate cancer you would be glad for that finger in the ass.

171 JDR  --  you're going to get an  aneurysm  with the spelling and  sentence   structure of the moron horde.


It ain't pretty.

172 Girls get tank tops. Posted by: EC at May 20, 2013 11:11 AM (GQ8sn)

Guys get Super Soakers

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2013 11:17 AM (sbV1u)

*high fives*

173 141 OT. So today I have to get my bi-annual DOT physical
Why is it it's quick and painless but when I was in the navy it always ended with a finger in my ass?!!!
Damn you navy!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 20, 2013 11:07 AM (hXDld)

 

Navy?  That was no finger.

174 Barack is a piece of fucking shit. As are the demoncrats.

175  #169 Obama is pay back for George Bush. After Bush, the "Republican brand" was in the gutter---right where he left it.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 20, 2013 11:19 AM (wbmaj)

 

You are my prime example.

176

Where is Huma's Wiener? 

177 >>>Spell we much, we must... and we will much... about that, be committed. Hey, the national news media does no worse in this age of instant posting in real time to keep up with the other guy. Time is money. And we HAVE had a busy news week, haven't we.

178 Skandia Recluse, Vic and I covered that Minot AFB news article a couple weeks ago.  Those 17 officers in a missile launch simulator failed their evaluations so they were de-certified and sent back to training.  One officer was so lazy with security he almost endangered the codes and his fellow officers did not report him.  

179 Hey, the national news media does no worse in this age of instant posting in real time to keep up with the other guy.


Exhibit A.

180 If Scooter Libby got jail time for supposedly lying, why isn't fucking Holder in a god damn cell? That mofo has repeatedly lied to Congress, and now opening up a new branch office of lies on the AP witch-hunt.

181 IOW, why give the Left ammunition? They will latch onto the many (expected-by-them) misspellings like a Prog Pitbull on this Deliverance-style marrow-bone, while ignoring the content. Don't throw them bones, Drew. Before you post, sit there for a moment, and read it again, out loud, carefully, and with a red marker.

182 Nonviolent noncooperation is looking better all the time. Register as a Democrat. Do everything possible to bring down the regime without going to prison. Lie about everything you're doing.

183

"150 I've been on the 'everyman for themselves' wagon for quite awhile now. Its my opinion that the electorate has crossed the Rubicon regard to being more takers and Left than what was previously a silent and government self correcting conservative majority."

 

 

If you had told me, just a few years ago, that I would take heart in the fact that the underground economy is booming (like in the old Soviet Union), and in the fact that people are purchasing record numbers of firearms and ammunition, and that people who are strong supporters of the Constitution are starting to be targeted, and might be headed underground (like in the old Soviet Union), I would have said you were getting carried away with nutty conspiracy theories.  Good times.

 

184 Those Air Force officers are a result of Obama's continued efforts to destroy the military and their moral.

185 I think that Boehner is being blackmailed by the President.  That explains him doing nothing all the time.

186 alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 20, 2013 11:06 AM (VtjlW) Thanks. I suppose I could have used "AlextheGuy" as my handle, so we've got that in common. Unfortunately, that means we can never get married, because it would be too confusing. Posted by: Optimizer at May 20, 2013 11:16 AM (Mxt9o) Right on. The legacy press trumpets Watergate as the the most significant criminal breach of public trust...EVAH! Yet they forget that there was no dead Brian Terry, Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, or Tyrone Woods. Scandals and cover-ups + fatalities > scandals and cover-ups without fatalities. ">" meaning "worse".

187 186 Anna, I miss so much, sometimes. Or I'm just late. Or days when I just can't take it anymore.

If these excuses are not enough, I have others.

188 This! I've been stewing over this all weekend. This is the GOP's own personal ... i don't know, let's go hyperbolic and say Pearl Harbor or whatever. We need to go to war over this. The defacto criminalization of the conservatism is a life threatening thing to us. It didn't start with the IRS and it shouldn't be limited thereto. For example, every GOP state governor needs to start inspecting school books and making sure that the pinko bedwetting union thugs teaching our kids aren't full out lefty propagandizing them. Also, I've been thinking about the IRS, those demand letters are primae facie felonies. I mean, it's cute that they the IRS was trying to trap tea party groups in perjury traps, but by demanding such intrusive and unwarranted and partisan inquiries, the IRS officials up the chain basically broke every Hatch act style law. The GOP needs to hang every person from the lowly dork signing the letter, to the head of the branch itself, to an IG that ignored these things. This is war. It's been war for a long time, but right now it's at an existential threat level.

189
Aside from other issues involved in secession, it is probably essential to have nukes in order to make it stick. That is a pretty significant hurdle to cross.
==========
Pantex, makin' the nukes in TX for ya' already.

190 Those Air Force officers are a result of Obama's continued efforts to destroy the military and their moral. Posted by: Vic

Which is not to be confused with morale.

And this has nothing to do with Obama - as much as I'd really, really, really like to blame it on him.

191 Tobacco Road a certain portion from a certain song started playing when I read that critique - 'and we've been poisoned by these fairy tales, the lawyers dwell on small details, while daddy had to fly.'

192 JDR- You must have young eyes. Some of us with old eyes can read/edit a post three times, and by the time autocorrect is done with it, we never see the error till it's "in print".

193 Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2013 11:19 AM (KXm42) I know, I know. I've been skinning hobos and drinking valu-rite for years. But like Elie Weisel said, "And yet... and yet."

194 We're a couple years too late.

Gibson Guitar.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 20, 2013 10:29 AM


yeah I myself was wondering about that. Gibson should be screaming at this point.

195 If Boehner wanted to create a scandal of epic proportions, all he needs to do is to make sure he's seated next to Michelle at their next gov't supping.  After poking Michelle in the ribs a couple of times, and hell, maybe trying to eat something off of her plate, well...  that's defcon 2, lose-your-limb-to-a-fork, elbow-in-the-chops kinda throwdown time!

Pro-tip:  Wait for the lobster entree.

196 #183  And gladly so-You are defending Bush's record as what, a "conservative?"  He was anything but.  He abandoned virtually all conservative principles, left a dying economy, started two pointless wars, embraced more huge social welfare spending--and on and on.  And just because Obama is a leftist radical does not make me embrace Bush or pine for "the good old days" or support any of the other insider Republicans who have done so little with so much.  I will continue to support conservatives, like Ted Cruz, wherever they can be found and heard--I will not blindly cast my lot with others just because they are "Republicans."  The Tea Party has demonstrated the open schism between Republicans and conservatives and I side with the latter. 

197 Tobacco Road My eyes will be 42 years old in a couple of weeks. I feel old. Does that count?

198
Oh no!  The administration is attacking the conservatives that might oppose us in the primaries. That's just terrible!

Just terrible....

Posted by: Team Republican

199 yeah I myself was wondering about that. Gibson should be screaming at this point. --- They should be, but they wanted to continue working and instead got the government to settle with them on one of the two fishing expeditions they did. IIRC, the one that the goverment settled over was a raid done before the one which caught so many people's attention.

200 I've been stewing over this all weekend. This is the GOP's own personal ... i don't know, let's go hyperbolic and say Pearl Harbor or whatever. We need to go to war over this.

You seem to be conflating "Republican" with "Conservative."

While more Republicans (read: any) are Conservative than Democrats, the Republican Party is no more Conservative as a whole than, oh, say Maine.

In general, Republicans want to "do government better," not "make government smaller."  Which is also why Boehner and the other Republican Leadership are not nearly as up in arms about this as we would like them to be.

201 Before you post, sit there for a moment, and read it again, out loud, carefully, and with a red marker. Posted by: JDR-Taq at May 20, 2013 11:22 AM (e7KZr) Yeah, but red marker is a bitch to get off a monitor. Oh, hey, speaking of red - http://bit.ly/16JTqmk

202 #202  They will never get my 1966 Mosrite. 

203 "Gibson should be screaming at this point." They can scream as loud as they want. If the media doesn't give 'em a mic, nobody will hear. That's what kills me about saying "The Republicans need to get the word out" about whatever. How? Even if an outlet gives them a voice, there will be three voices following it up to discredit it.

204 Its all good Skandia Recluse.  The problems with our strategic forces can be traced back to the end of the Cold War.  There was a major ding to cause loss of mission motivation.  Then under USAF Chief of Staff McPeak SAC lost its identity and it's assets were split between the newly created commands of ACC and AMC.

205 And this has nothing to do with Obama - as much as I'd really, really, really like to blame it on him.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2013 11:25 AM (sbV1u)

It has a LOT to do with Obama.  And I am confident that there are a lot of units out there just like this one. The military bosses since Obama took over have become more concerned for PC crap than performing its primary mission (if they are concerned for that latter at all).   And that attitude works its way down to the troops in a rapid manner.

206

>>>There is no easy solution.

 

"What crisis cannot cure, physic will cure. What physic cannot cure, iron will cure. What iron cannot cure, fire will cure. What fire cannot cure, cannot be cured" - Hippocrates

 

[still works for all kinds of things. Cars, for example]

207 Is now the correct time to start being very scared of our government? I've been paranoid too long, I am unsure when to cross over into downright fear.

208 Shut it down is an example of Crisis, BTW.

209 Is now the correct time to start being very scared of our government? I've been paranoid too long, I am unsure when to cross over into downright fear.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 20, 2013 11:32 AM (RZ8pf)

 

I always say, don't get scared, get angry.

210

I'm at the point now where I want to see every rock overturned, every violation of the law discovered and every person   wronged by this administration in front  of a  Congressional committee  to tell their  tale. I want to see the Intarwebz,   Twitter and every social media site overflowing  with stories on everything this corrupt   gang   has done   so that the LIV's  will be bombarded with info.

 

But I don't want TFG impeached, at least not  yet. I want to start hearing that from the ground up.

 

I want him to stew in   his fetid,  Chicago-politics stew of malfeasance and corruption for as long as possible. I want the Dims to be tarred,  feathered and sheep-dipped in their illegal activities for  as long as possible. I want the word "Progressive"  to be spat from the   mouth of every American for generations to come  and tied to the name Obama like Watergate was to the Pubbies.

211 How sad is it that I'm to the point where that broken American Spectator link in the sidebar about the smoking gun makes me wonder if it was forcibly removed.

212 Simple math will show that Obama will not be impeached and convicted. That is such a sad statement, but true. Like he said, he got into this because he loves Democracy.

213 Pretty sure most of us paying attention Knew this would be the new norm.
Remember Joe The plumber and the use of  govt entities in OH along with the use of the Media to attempt to ruin Him personally? for what? just making an observation.

GM and dealerships?
Koch?
Maligning citizens that did nothing other than be worker bees  their entire lives?
The ultimate in using Propaganda in our own country against half the voters? Media willingly complies?

The groupies have been trained for over a decade if not longer to these ideas. the fact that we see them willingly go along with fervor  to use govt against their political opponents  means to me they already have won? Do we have time to get into those institutions to turn back the clock and help these generation of youth  see what they personally will lose? I don't believe we can.

They will have to feel it personally and as we can't get through the wall of propaganda to explain What will happen  on this National  road trip  and they won't observe what is happening in the countries it has already happened in, they must see  it personally until the money is gone so this is where we are.

I decided my plan personally was to get on the It will burn no matter what we try,  Because we have seen attempts to Roll it back by the opposition party be greeted  with ice water, from media and much of the country.
so let them have their dream. They voted for IT.

Try to protect yourself/family/friends personally the best  you are  able to..

having said this ,i hope i am wrong .

214

I am under no illusions that Boehner or the GOP would actually go the route I propose but he should.

 

You have a remarkable gift for understatement, Drew.  The Vichy GOP and Marshal Boehner will never do  anything  until and unless it's something that dries up the trough for them.  Otherwise, we rubes can eat shit.

215

"This is not Watergate; this is Watergate squared."

Au contraire, mon frere- Cubed at minimum.

216

"196 This!

I've been stewing over this all weekend. This is the GOP's own personal ... i don't know, let's go hyperbolic and say Pearl Harbor or whatever. We need to go to war over this.

The defacto criminalization of the conservatism is a life threatening thing to us.  ..."

 

 

I guess it's kind of like the so-called War on Terror. We in the US literally do not believe in Holy Wars, but the thing is OUR ENEMY DOES, and has been at war with US for a very long time. We've been "at war" for quite some time, but we need to recognize that, and finally start to defend ourselves.

 

 

On a side note, why do people keep calling the Tea Party groups "conservatives"?  The Tea Party stands for a subset of what conservatives do, but fiscal responsibility and limited government are libertarian virtues, without the social conservative baggage.

 

217 The problem with our strategic assets came to a head during GW Bush's administration when a B-52 accidentally flew across the US armed with nuclear tipped cruise missiles.  And the crew was totally unaware they had nukes.  Which caused the USAF to create a rotating pool among the bomber crews of wings sharing the nuclear mission.  But lost out it, from reading the Minot AFB incident, seems was anyone wondering how the Minuteman III and Peacekeepers were doing with their readiness.  Well now we know, not well.

218

" The Vichy GOP"

 

HAH! outstanding, MPPPP.

219

I'm at the point now where I want to see every rock overturned, every violation of the law discovered and every person wronged by this administration in front of a Congressional committee to tell their tale. I want to see the Intarwebz, Twitter and every social media site overflowing with stories on everything this corrupt gang has done so that the LIV's will be bombarded with info.

 

Which congressman was it who'd set up a website for American's to tell their horror stories of being oppressed and jerked around by the government? 

220 and with a red marker. Posted by: JDR-Taq at May 20, 2013 11:22 AM (e7KZr) Great. Between that and the white-out, I'll never see my screen again!

221 He abandoned virtually all conservative principles, left a dying economy, started two pointless wars, embraced more huge social welfare spending--and on and on

Now you're just buying into what the Democrats were selling for 8 years.

"Abandoned virtually all conservative principles?"  No, though he did abandon most of the fiscal ones.  Nevertheless, his budget deficits were directly related to the GWOT- without two active wars, we would have been running about balanced, IIRC.

"Left a dying economy?"  No.  Nothing that happened to the economy can be laid at GW's feet with the possible exceptions of the Bail Outs- and even there you'll still find many conservatives-in-good-standing who will tell you they were necessary.  GW had twice tried to address the housing bubble, and twice was rebuffed.  By then he was a Lame Duck, so there wasn't much he could do about it.

"Started two pointless wars?"  Wait, what?  Even assuming Iraq was "pointless" (it wasn't), you're also going to say that going into Afghanistan was "pointless?"  Get a grip.

"Embraced social welfare spending?"  Well, there he's guilty as charged.  I could point out that the RX Drug benefit was coming either way, and at least this way it was largely private and worked better than normal Medicare, but that's picking at nits- the fact is he added a huge entitlement where before there had been none.

So I guess 1 out of 4 ain't bad.

222 hen under USAF Chief of Staff McPeak SAC lost its identity and it's assets were split between the newly created commands of ACC and AMC.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 20, 2013 11:30 AM (d0bTF)

 

Worked for McPeak while at HQ USAFE.  What a political POS.  Even thought enough us to give us uniforms that looked like those worn by Delta Airline pilots. 

223 He will be vindicated? You mean like Richard Nixon...? If he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors let the chips, and the law, fall where they may. We are already making too many exceptions. See David Gregory & high capacity clips...

224 Which congressman was it who'd set up a website for American's to tell their horror stories of being oppressed and jerked around by the government?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorirst) Party Hobbit at May 20, 2013 11:36 AM (4df7R)

 

Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin.

225 We're down to two choices and I think every single one of you knows it:

1. Accept tyranny.
2. Feed the tree of Liberty.

There is no incremental solution.

226 It has a LOT to do with Obama. And I am confident that there are a lot of units out there just like this one. The military bosses since Obama took over have become more concerned for PC crap than performing its primary mission (if they are concerned for that latter at all). And that attitude works its way down to the troops in a rapid manner.  Posted by: Vic at May 20, 2013 11:31 AM (53z96)

Yes, Vic.  The military is composed largely of pantywaists who get all sad and mopey because their CIC is a piece of shit.  They're not tough enough to see the value in their mission alone.

Got it.

227 Greetings my fellow second class citizens.

228 How sad is it that I'm to the point where that broken American Spectator link in the sidebar


Link is working. It was quite slow to load.

229 Did somebody defend George Bush while I wasn't looking? Stop worrying about Bush while Lord Zero is going full retard.

230 I don't send "my" representitives to Congress to make deals, I elect them to fight tooth and nail for the values that they were elected to represent. Compromise should be a rairly used option. It is afterall, and adversarial form of government...just in the past I think both side were working for the poeple now they seem to be working to enslave the people.

231 All I know is, somebody in leadership has gotta do something more than hope we can pick up a few seats out of this.

232 Worked for McPeak while at HQ USAFE. What a political POS. Even thought enough us to give us uniforms that looked like those worn by Delta Airline pilots. Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 20, 2013 11:37 AM (YYyqq)

He was indeed.

I noticed that that Fogelman came in right behind him the FIRST thing he did was get rid of that shit.

Thank God I was Army.

233 NO TAXES FOR CORRUPTION !!

234

Wow, that article in the sidebar about the True the Vote woman is definitely chilling. It seems rather obvious that because of her political activities, every branch of the government was authorized to search for some way to bring her down and the fact that they did it willingly (and in some cases multiple times) is very scary.

 

 

Glad the Muslim terrorists are free to walk around our country unimpeded while a mom from Texas is given the 3rd degree because she thinks there shouldn't be voter fraud. /sarc

235 Ammo Dump, McPeak was a piece of work.  Former Thunderbird pilot who managed to live even as his F-100 disintegrated about him.  Then he went to Vietnam and was soon flying Misty missions.   I guess that kinda made him think he was invincible.

The air crew patch on the BDU, yeah it seems that was a true goat on a rope.  No one knew who was what rank until within a few feet of each other.  And the airline cut of the service dress was another winner.  A true indication of how everyone hated those changes was how quickly they were reversed as soon as McPeak left. 

236
OT. So today I have to get my bi-annual DOT physical
Why is it it's quick and painless but when I was in the navy it always ended with a finger in my ass?!!!
Damn you navy!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 20, 2013 11:07 AM (hXDld)

That finger wasn't really part of the physical, NTTAWWT.

237 and oh yeah, another point. During England's domination of the world, there was a famous saying that along the lines of "every now and then we need to hang an admiral to keep the bigwigs in line and hungry" Here we are, so decadent, that we can't even figuratively hang a lowly IRS official, let alone a branch head. Everyone needs to face jail time. Get it? This is so egregious that EVEN SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE IS FUCKING PISSED OFF. and they're the PR arm of the democrat party. This is a hill to fight for. you know?

238

Yeah, MWR,  that was Ron Johnson.

 

I think he owns a  few  surf shops down here...

239 What worries me is the targeting of individual citizens (stupid movie-maker/Bengazi coverup) and companies (Gibson, any number of others). I'm a (relatively) young guy (2 but I'm certainly on the President's "bitter clingers" list. I own a very nice CZ P-07 Duty, and I've been conducting a mental experiment. Pretend a Constitutional Amendment banning all handguns, and ordering their destruction passed. I imagine that there would be roughly three groups of people; those who readily surrender their weapons, those who would hide their weapons and deny they existed if asked by law enforcement, and those who would take up arms against law enforcement if they were subjected to confiscation. Granted, I don't forsee this happening, for a plethora of reasons (not least of which is that most law enforcement would probably refuse such a dictate, or not bother to enforce it). Still, imagining such a scenario, what do you guys think the result would be?

240 Glad the Muslim terrorists are free to walk around our country unimpeded while a mom from Texas is given the 3rd degree because she thinks there shouldn't be voter fraud. /sarc --- Apparently one of the unwritten rules in US politics is "Don't look too close at fraud by the Democrats."

241 Sean, interesting footnote about Fogelman and McPeak.  Both were F-100F Misty pilots.  Both became USAF Chief of Staff.  But Fogelman was more a true pilot than McPeak.  The first official Mistay reunion after George 'Bud' Day was released from the Hanoi Hilton, Fogelman swung from a chandelier.  Try that antic nowadays.

242

Been lurking but have had  some coffee now.  If it hasn't been pointed out already, then I will concerning a tax  revolt.   The way the system is set up, a person runs the risk of all property and assets being taken away, or, at least, taken out of their control  if  he would refuse to pay taxes.

 

It would end up being the biggest property grab in the history of the world.  The marxists in our government are salivating over that prospect. 

243 Spectator link was linked by Drudge, Ace, TGP, CTH, and pretty much everyone who gives a shit. I'm guessing that's why it was broken all morning.

244 OT. So today I have to get my bi-annual DOT physical Why is it it's quick and painless but when I was in the navy it always ended with a finger in my ass?!!! Damn you navy!!! Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 20, 2013 11:07 AM (hXDld) ??? Not sure who was putting a finger up your ass. I only got that on my MEPS physical.

245 as for obama, he is and remains, boring and lazy. He couldn't think his way outside of a paper bag, so who cares? His machinery, on the other hand, is what needs to be fought. His teacher thugs, Seibelius, the IRS, etc. At this point, all the president's horses are weaker because of Obama's idiotic fumbling and bumbling. So we should make mincemeat out of them.

246 Wow, that didn't come out right. It's supposed to read "(2 " not "stupid sunglasses icon". And I know the question posed is pretty far from the original post's content, but I believe it is relevant to how the American population responds to government over-reach and malfeasance.

247 "We're down to two choices and I think every single one of you knows it: 1. Accept tyranny. 2. Feed the tree of Liberty. There is no incremental solution." Bingo. If this wasn't the Rubicon to you, then you might as well unlock your gates and welcome them warmly. We're going to fight actually fucking tyranny with bureaucratic wrangling?? Keep dreaming.

248 * crickets*

249 Yeah I am still loving the narrative that Obama isn't responsible for a single negative thing in his government yet somehow Bush was responsible for the hangnail that some secretary in one of the Dept. of Interior offices got when she was filing paper.

250

1. Accept tyranny.
2. Feed the tree of Liberty.

There is no incremental solution.

 

==========================

 

 

Not correct. There are clear prescriptions for what ails us in our Founding documents. The trouble is our Representatives won't follow them.

 

Nonetheless, there are still prescriptions shy of full Rebellion to be had, should the base grow balls suddenly.

251 You're so funny Drew.

I believe Boehner is the biggest weasel on the planet behind Obama, Reid and Pelosi. But shut it down? Be serious.

Now is the time time to propose big bold solutions which play to our strengths. Where are the side by side proposals for tax reform and ridding the IRS of these political criminal malcontents? Where is the will to push it through, grab the spotlight, shine it on corrupt Democrats and talk non-stop about resolving this issue?

Shut it down and what...put the spotlight on Republicans as the "bad guys" and distract from the real issues?

Pure genius. Really.

252 Fogelman swung from a chandelier. Try that antic nowadays. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 20, 2013 11:44 AM (d0bTF)

My Assistant Division Commander (Maneuver) was a Cavalryman.  I was a Cavalryman.  Every Friday there we were in the O Club raising hell like we grew up next door to each other.  The only thing we had in common was the crossed sabers on our lapels.  Monday morning it was back to "Yes, Sir" "No,Sir"

Those days of camaraderie are long, long gone.  Ended in the early 1990s now that I think about it.

253 Yes, Vic. The military is composed largely of pantywaists who get all sad and mopey because their CIC is a piece of shit. They're not tough enough to see the value in their mission alone.

Got it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2013 11:38 AM (sbV1u)

You have missed the point.  Obama has co-opted the military leadership.  They have in turn passed that on to the troops.  The troops see that the leadership worries more about PC bullshit than the mission.

That Minot incident would NOT have happened 10 years ago.  The rot would never have occurred or would have been excised by involuntary discharge before it had spread to the entire unit.

And by leadership I mean senior leadership.

254 Gibson released a "government model" series of guitars that uses the rosewood that was seized and returned. They come in an olive drab green case. I grabbed the flying V.  I don't have it yet, but was scheduled to be shipped a few days ago. I thought it was a cool idea actually.

255 What we need is the conservative version of "Attack Watch"
Where government wrongdoing could be reported.

Until the trolls start to make fake reports and shit.

256 yeah, remember in 2000 elections, some blacks in florida were totally intimidated from voting because Boooosh sent police cars to be on the road at random locations on election day because racism long live liberal larry at blame bush

257 "Entitlements"--such an ugly word.  When did "entitlements" become "entitlements?"  Shouldn't we call "entitlements" something else--you know, like how taxes are now revenues, and liberals are progressives, and terrorism is workplace violence or a response to a video.......? 

258 BTW, if you expect that our base, who won't even protest now given this "chilling atmosphere" will decide to "feed the Tree of Liberty" you've got your head firmly wedged up your ass.

259 Well said, Drew. If the GOP doesn't do the right thing here, We the People are finished.

Finished.

260

"The other bigone is the one nobody want to talk about - racism. A particular demographic group doesn't even follow what TFG does, and suffers double the unemployment rate that we saw in the Depression, but will always support him - because he is not white. This is our own chickens coming home to roost, as we let the Left call us racist and get away with it for decades, even as they institutionalize racism against white people (and Asians, BTW)."

 

You could start with this very blog.

 

There is a substantial subset of Frankfurt School Fifth Columnists at AoSHQ who are dead-set on squelching any mention of the fact that the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives now has a son-in-law who is a CONVICTED Rastafarian drug dealer.

 

 

261

"...Posted by: Optimizer at May 20, 2013 11:16 AM (Mxt9o)

Right on. The legacy press trumpets Watergate as the the most significant criminal breach of public trust...EVAH! Yet they forget that there was no dead Brian Terry, Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, or Tyrone Woods. Scandals and cover-ups + fatalities > scandals and cover-ups without fatalities. ">" meaning "worse". "

 

 

 

I actually don't like the bandwagon about "dead bodies". In the case of Fast and Furious, it's an argument that "guns kill people, not people". It's bad enough that we armed Mexican drug cartels, for no apparent reason (unless you understand Cloward-Piven, as applied by the left to guns.)

 

 

In the case of Benghazi, the number of bodies is irrelevant. The relevant facts are that people were endangered by the lack of security (by Hillary), apparently for some reality-denying political plan, and that it's likely that the President apparently refused to respond to a terrorist attack, but instead tried to cover it up, abandoning people in harm's way. That should be UNTHINKABLE for any POTUS, regardless of whether ANYBODY actually ended up being killed or not.  If a military officer pulled a stunt like that, they would surely be court-martialed. It also opens up political problems, if it comes out that a response would not have made a difference.

 

 

262 "Ron Johnson." Every time I see that name, I picture Ron Swanson.

263 Don't forget the EPA, were FOIA requests from eco-weenies often had their fees waived. Other people and groups? not so much.

264 We don't need "entitlement" reform--we need the destruction of the fucking federal welfare state. 

265 Yo Boehner!


♫Oh, suck on my chocolate salty balls Put 'em in your mouth and suck 'em Suck on my chocolate salty balls They're packed vitamins And good for you, so suck on balls♪
Again!

266 The race of the man Boner's daughter agreed to marry is about as relevant to the SCOAMF administration using government agencies to punish SCOAMF's enemies as the nuggets Satan's Little Helper left in his box this morning. 

267 Posted by: Vic at May 20, 2013 11:47 AM (53z96) A lot of people don't seem to know just how far the left has marched into the US Military. The rot is well down in the ranks.

268 243 McPeak was a piece of work. Former Thunderbird pilot who managed to live even as his F-100 disintegrated about him. Then he went to Vietnam and was soon flying Misty missions. I guess that kinda made him think he was invincible.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 20, 2013 11:42 AM (d0bTF)   The best boss I ever had was a Major who was fearless.  Very mild mannered and kind.  He flew 330 missions in Vietnam in a F4 while the GOs bios tell of 45 -75 missions.  The Major just loved to, as he said, strap the F4 on and go.   I asked him how he got so many missions and he told me he would go around and ask other pilots if he could take their mission.  Evidently he got a lot of takers.  He retired as a Major.

269

#273  Barack.............--Oh my God. 

270 Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 20, 2013 11:50 AM (dScAL) Nobody except you gives a flying rat's ass who Boner's daughter married.

271 #275  Good point---and so true. 

272 Well said, Drew. If the GOP doesn't do the right thing here, We the People are finished.

Finished.

Posted by: PJ at May 20, 2013 11:49 AM (ZWaLo)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

I  disagree.  A couple of commenters have said it upthread.  Get involved in local and state politics.  If worse comes to worse, we still have the idea of secession  to explore.  It can be done.

273 Internet companies are forcing a biased Palestinian narrative onto users. First, Yahoo artificially divided Jerusalem into Israeli and Palestinian sections. Then Google made headlines by creating a Palestinian state. Now Facebook is promoting “East Jerusalem.” surreal ht bigjournalism

274 OT. So today I have to get my bi-annual DOT physical
Why is it it's quick and painless but when I was in the navy it always ended with a finger in my ass?!!!
Damn you navy!!!
Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 20, 2013 11:07 AM (hXDld)

That finger wasn't really part of the physical, NTTAWWT.

And it wasn't a finger.

275 I think Huma is at the tipping point.  And maybe (well) beyond.  And I am a known troublemaker. 

276 "Entitlements"--such an ugly word. When did "entitlements" become "entitlements?" Shouldn't we call "entitlements" something else--you know, like how taxes are now revenues, and liberals are progressives, and terrorism is workplace violence or a response to a video.......?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 20, 2013 11:49 AM (wbmaj)

 

I HATE the term "entitlements."   No one is entitled to     somebody else's money unless they've   earned it via the free exchange of goods     or labor.   You're not entitled to my money to buy your t-bones and lobster just because    you    like      wearing diapers and pretending to be a baby all day.   Fuck that.

 

A more honest   term would be   "extortion," or "theft."   But since we    want to put these things    in   a more palatable government parlance, I've long   advocated for changing "entitlement spending" to "liability spending."     

277

Gibson released a "government model" series of guitars that uses the rosewood that was seized and returned. They come in an olive drab green case. I grabbed the flying V. I don't have it yet, but was scheduled to be shipped a few days ago. I thought it was a cool idea actually.

 

Berserker, if you can, post a pic of that. I'd like to see it.

 

 The Gibson  raid was a travesty and makes me wonder if  anybody in TFG's corrupt admin  can even read. Those fretboards were   delivered legally, in accordance with engineering specs. That Gibson modified them is of no concern  to the feds, as they  had   paid for them and were free to do with them as they wished.

 

That's another  group of   feds who should be in jail.

278

We're down to two choices and I think every single one of you knows it:

1. Accept tyranny.
2. Feed the tree of Liberty.

"There is no incremental solution."

 

True, but there are incremental stages one needs to pass in order to flip  the switch on that big a binary decision.  

 

Unfortunately, humans are really bad about doing preventative maintainence when it's relatively cheap and painless.  We let it go catastrophic before we act. 

 

Some folks don't get  to "nothing left to lose" as fast  as others. 

 

 

 

279

Oh, and to add to my #269, people say Benghazi isn't as bad as Watergate because there was no actual crime, but I say that there are worse things a President can do than some petty crime. This was a betrayal of our people abroad, and a fraud perpetrated against the people as a whole.

 

 

This has me wondering what really happened with Watergate though. I was a kid when that was going on, but IIRC, Nixon didn't commit the actual crime there, and the crime was more outrageous than egregious (a violation of privacy, no deaths, or much in the way of destruction of property). The problem, as they say, is with the cover-up. Was Nixon accused of a crime in association with THAT? Maybe "obstruction of justice", or something like that? Obama's got THAT going on, what? at least five times over?

280 245...didn't see the SNL-IRS bit, but I heard they were pretty much mocking the Tea Party. Is that incorrect info?

281

Go here: http://tinyurl.com/ko92g3m

Catherine Engelbrecht, the Texas wife and mother who founded the Tea Party-associated group 'True The Vote' has been audited by the IRS, has had her and her husband's small business inspected (and fined) by OSHA, has received a visit to her and her husband's small business from the ATF/Homeland Security, has been questioned by the FBI, and has been personally and publicly called out as a quasi-criminal and 'suppressor of votes' by two Democratic members of Congress.

 

That could be you or me. We have a saying in Indiana: 'tall wheat meets the scythe'. If you speak up or stand out, expect the same treatment. Jeffrey Lord over at American Spectator thinks there is strong circumstantial evidence that President Obama ordered this IRS vendetta against the Right--or at least went along with the pitch when it was made to him. So please, no more of this 'nice guy in over his head' spiel. That was never, ever true. He's vicious, petty, and vindictive, and evidently likes making examples.

 

I was audited last year, by the way: a nobody from Nowhere, Indiana. It never occurred to me that my audit might be politically motivated (and probably wasn't) but it bothers me beyond measure that it's even a possibility. This isn't who we are, what we're about as a country. I don't think a shutdown will do any good and pressing for impeachment would be folly. I do think the smart thing to do right now would be to act as individuals rather than waiting on the government to transform itself back into a Republic.

282 "BTW, if you expect that our base, who won't even protest now given this "chilling atmosphere" will decide to "feed the Tree of Liberty" you've got your head firmly wedged up your ass." I don't really have an expectation one way or another, which would be indicated by my use of the word "if". If you expect a massive protest movement to show up within two weeks, then I'm not the one with the rectal cranial inversion problem.

283 That Minot incident would NOT have happened 10 years ago. The rot would never have occurred or would have been excised by involuntary discharge before it had spread to the entire unit. Posted by: Vic at May 20, 2013 11:47 AM (53z96)

You're wrong.  Can't say much more than that.  Generally, I put a lot more stock in my experience because I'm (a) still in DoD and (b) much closer to active service than you are at this point.  

I knew misseleers who were relieved because they didn't pass PRP standards or their latest qual.  This was in the 1990s.  I knew Battery and HQ Commanders who were fired ON.  THE.  SPOT. from Pershing units in Germany in the 1980s.  The Commander of the 59th Ordnance Group used to do fly out to do unit inspections with a spare Captain in his helicopter so he could relieve Battery and Company commanders immediately.  This isn't new, and it has nothing to do with Obama.

Guys sitting in missile silos don't see the outside world for 60-90 days at a time.  It's boring as shit.  They're not really worried about what TFG does.  They're only worried about making it to 20 years (if they're complete pieces of shit), or their mission (if they are true professionals).  

TRUE professionals don't base their self-worth, their ego, or their professionalism on who is in the White House.  As proof of this concept I offer the experience of the entire Joint Staff under Clinton in the 1993-1998 time frame.  THAT was some morale debilitating shit right there - and yet....it never bothered us.  We did our jobs.

Those 17 tools who got relieved were relieved because they were lazy and forgot their oath of office.  They didn't lose their jobs because Obama plays too much golf and that wounded their tender sensibilities. 

As a conservative, you either believe in personal responsibility - or you don't.

284 * crickets* Posted by: Hillary Clinton *locusts*

285 Berserker, if you can, post a pic of that. I'd like to see it.

The Gibson raid was a travesty and makes me wonder if anybody in TFG's corrupt admin can even read. Those fretboards were delivered legally, in accordance with engineering specs. That Gibson modified them is of no concern to the feds, as they had paid for them and were free to do with them as they wished.

That's another group of feds who should be in jail. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 20, 2013 11:57 AM


There are tons of pics on the web if you do a search for Gibson government model.

I found this one link to a store.

http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-GIB-DSVGG-LIST

286 Why is it it's quick and painless but when I was in the navy it always ended with a finger in my ass?!!! Damn you navy!!! Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 20, 2013 11:07 AM (hXDld) ----------------------------------------------------- How did he do that when he hand both his hands on your shoulders?

287

I was a kid when that was going on, but IIRC, Nixon didn't commit the actual crime there, and the crime was more outrageous than egregious (a violation of privacy, no deaths, or much in the way of destruction of property).

 

While Nixon did not order the break-in,  he did authorize and arrange the hush money payoff to the men caught breaking into the Democratic headquarters at the Watergate. That was his moment of truth, anyway. Up to that point, had he come clean with the American people, I think he could've stayed in office--vastly politically weakened, but still President.

288 "I was audited last year, by the way: a nobody from Nowhere, Indiana. It never occurred to me that my audit might be politically motivated (and probably wasn't) but it bothers me beyond measure that it's even a possibility." Same here. They claim, erroneously that I didn't pay taxes in 2006. Slapped me with an audit I never even was informed of and hit me with a 4k bill. I have no means to pay and no means to fight it. At this point, I'm betting these fucking fucks are even looking at voter registration. Just one more reason to dump the Republican party and go independent.

289

It probably doesn't do much good bitching and moaning about the transgressions of the administration.  They have the power and they'll do whatever the hell they want to do.

 

The only way to change it is to seize power (through elections) and do whatever the hell we want to do.  Aside from using elections instead of insurrections, this is how it's been since time began.

 

Obama has the power to pardon anybody for anything, and he doesn't give a shit what you think about him doing it.  Do you honestly believe he cares if something his administration is doing looks bad? 

 

 

290 Really, you expect anything from Boehner or from Cantor, back in the day when Delay, banged the gavel, they said how high, but this splunge bunch  'fuggetaboutit'

291 My Assistant Division Commander (Maneuver) was a Cavalryman. I was a Cavalryman. Every Friday there we were in the O Club raising hell like we grew up next door to each other. The only thing we had in common was the crossed sabers on our lapels. Monday morning it was back to "Yes, Sir" "No,Sir"

Those days of camaraderie are long, long gone. Ended in the early 1990s now that I think about it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2013 11:47 AM (sbV1u)

 

As a young LT I was at a table with a gruff talking Colonel  during a dining-in.  Had story after story.  As we began to eat, I buttered a roll and before I could take a bite the Colonel barked at me to "Stop, don't eat your ammo."  He then buttered his roll and placed to the side of this plate.  After dessert, he commented that it was the lamest dining-in he had ever attended.  A few moments later a roll came flying out of nowhere and hit him in the chest.  Since his mess dress had a large slab of butter dripping from  his lapel I thought he would get mad.  Much to my surprise he yelled; "All right!  Let  'em fly!!" as he launch his dinner roll  at another table.  Good times!

292 268 Huma A. A particular demographic group doesn't even follow what TFG does, and suffers double the unemployment rate that we saw in the Depression, but will always support him - because he is not white. --- And because most are getting free stuff without having to work. I've got a guy across the road I shoot the breeze with -- 300+ lbs, gold chains, nice clothing, and a Cadillac. Visited his apartment once, nothing but signed Obie pics on the walls. I work my ass off for his gold and his phone and his rent and his Caddy. The other day he mentioned that he needed to get a job. I just shook my head and thought, "why? you make three times as much as me just for being black!" Then I got on my 1980's-model Bianchi and rode off to get my valu-rite for the day, still sweating from 11 hours of paying for his shit.

293 Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2013 11:59 AM (sbV1u)


You quote single individuals as being relieved for cause to support your position.  Yet Minot was the ENTIRE unit.


In my 7 years in the Navy I have NEVER seen an entire unit get relieved for cause.  In fact, I have never even read about an entire unit being relieved for cause before Minot.


I am not going to argue about it any more.

294 _{It will be up to Republicans to explain the stakes here.}

How has that ever worked out for ya?

295 no, the tea partier was actually the straight man against an incompetent Al Sharpton as he incompetently defended obama

296 Ace up

297 Ammo Dump, might want to gander this blog.  200+ missions.  F-105D and F-4C.  Ed just passed away this March.
http://thundertales.blogspot.com/

298 Hey, come on, you silly people. There can't be anything major going on! The last 2 tweets from NBCNews have been that today marks the 20th anniversary of the last episode of Cheers (gawd I feel old) and that garden gnomes are making a comeback in British gardens. See! All's right with the world, unless you hate gnomes.

299 I am not going to argue about it any more.

I know.  Because you don't have an argument.

Your point about units and individuals only serves to highlight that.

300 305 Ammo Dump, might want to gander this blog. 200+ missions. F-105D and F-4C. Ed just passed away this March.
http://thundertales.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 20, 2013 12:12 PM (d0bTF)

 

Thanks!  The Major I knew was Dean Hall.  He went to work for Wisconsin Electric in 1980.  Have lost track of him.

301 I think we need a trigger for an automatic impeachment when the president fails in honoring his oath of office. It would be impartially/objectively triggered and hearing would have to be held. It wouldn't matter if the impeachment succeeded or not - but can you imagine if right now Obama had been impeached a dozen times? And the Dems could not accuse the R's of political reasons? Of course ideally the objective would be that every president would not allow a 'culture of corruption' within his administration - no where close to it.

302

"247 ...  Pretend a Constitutional Amendment banning all handguns, and ordering their destruction passed. I imagine that there would be roughly three groups of people; those who readily surrender their weapons, those who would hide their weapons and deny they existed if asked by law enforcement, and those who would take up arms against law enforcement if they were subjected to confiscation. Granted, I don't forsee this happening, for a plethora of reasons (not least of which is that most law enforcement would probably refuse such a dictate, or not bother to enforce it). Still, imagining such a scenario, what do you guys think the result would be?"

 

 

 

Something quite similar is playing out right now in NY state.  A variety of weapons and magazines have been declared illegal, counter to the Constitution. By some accounts, 90% of the State Police are against it. A legal firm in Buffalo that specializes in 2nd Amendment law received 100,000 calls and emails. At this point, IIRC, a deadline for handing stuff over has past, and people are holding off from doing so while the legal battle continues.

 

 

Let's remember 2 things: First of all, even in the Revolution, only a third of the people were for it, another third just tried to stay out of the way, and the last third was for the Big Government abuses. Second, and this is absolutely critical, the statists are cockroaches for a REASON.  They lie and pretend to be "centrists" and "reaching across the aisle", and - with the ultimate in absurdity - even "post-partisan" because PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY'RE SELLING. Whenever they are exposed, as in Obama's "you didn't build that" speech, they deny it and scurry back into the filthy darkness they came from.

 

303 "Nobody except you gives a flying rat's ass who Boner's daughter married."

304 288 245...didn't see the SNL-IRS bit, but I heard they were pretty much mocking the Tea Party. Is that incorrect info? It was awful. Worse than the usual MFM abuse. The self-satisfied smirking was a just plain in-your-face attack on Americans who are horrified by the IRS abuse. Goebbels would be so proud of those little apparatchiks. SNL has hit bottom and is still digging furiously. Poehler and little Smirky McWimp, whoever the hell he is, looked like Nazi-trained propagandists in that piece. And I'm sure they are unironically proud of themselves.

305

"Nobody except you gives a flying rat's ass who Boner's daughter married."

 

Which is precisely your problem: YOU DON'T CARE.

 

Until you start paying attention, and seeing the patterns, and unravelling the Master Plan, and pulling back the curtain to reveal the Grand Wizard himself - until you start to GIVE A FLYING RAT'S ASS - you're doomed.

 

And don't go looking to me for solace when the jack booted thugs come to "necklace"* your sorry posterior.

 

I'll be the one shaking my head and saying, "I told you so."

 

 

*is.gd/9hwizo

 

 

306 Posted by: Optimizer at May 20, 2013 11:50 AM (Mxt9o) I actually don't like the bandwagon about "dead bodies". In the case of Fast and Furious, it's an argument that "guns kill people, not people". It's bad enough that we armed Mexican drug cartels, for no apparent reason (unless you understand Cloward-Piven, as applied by the left to guns.) ___________ Optimizer, I disagree/agree. I'm not trying to legitimize the "guns kill people" argument, but the "giving criminals who intend to kill people guns makes it easier for them to kill people" argument makes sense to me. I think the fatalities are incredibly important. I fully recognize that the scope and focus in F+F and Bengazi is much broader, but the deaths are indicative of a callous, incompetent administration. And the cover-up is indicative of a cynical, "politics-before-all" mindset. As others have pointed out, you don't ignore a drowning swimmer because you don't think you can get to them in time. You try as hard as you can, and if you can't save them, it's a tragedy, but you did your best. If you ignore them, it rests on your conscience/soul - as the lack of military response rests squarely on the Clinton/Obama. I get the feeling that we agree on the broad points, but maybe disagree on how to prioritize the various components, which is completely normal. I suppose now is as good a time as any to disclose that I spent about eight years living overseas with my family (Moscow, USSR/Prague, CZ/Helsinki, Finland) - my father was a career foreign service officer and two time Ambassador. Additionally, post-Army, I worked at State as an encryption/biometrics analyst, so admittedly I have an emotionally colored view of the deaths in Bengazi. One of the embassies that my father served at was recently bombed. Two fatalities, both local employees, but still - that kind of news occupies a particular place in my heart/mind.

307 Optimizer at May 20, 2013 12:19 PM (Mxt9o) Second, and this is absolutely critical, thestatists are cockroaches for a REASON. They lie and pretend to be "centrists" and "reaching across the aisle", and - with the ultimate in absurdity - even "post-partisan" because PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY'RE SELLING. Whenever they are exposed, as in Obama's "you didn't build that" speech, they deny it and scurry back into the filthy darkness they came from. ______________ Well said.

308

"295 ... While Nixon did not order the break-in, he did authorize and arrange the hush money payoff to the men caught breaking into the Democratic headquarters at the Watergate. That was his moment of truth, anyway. Up to that point, had he come clean with the American people, I think he could've stayed in office--vastly politically weakened, but still President. "

 

 

Interesting. Well, that's flagrantly crooked, alright.

 

 

Doesn't seem to really compare to illegally going to war. Or offering to pay companies to break the law, to help with his election. Or making illegal recess appointments, when Congress wasn't in recess. Or his illegal use of "executive privilege" (isn't that "obstruction of justice" or something). Or his illegal use of the IRS (I guess Nixon had that going for him, too) and other agencies to harass his opponents.

 

 

And isn't failing to send a response in Benghazi "dereliction of duty", or something?

 

 

It's still entirely possible that something overtly crooked, not just  Constitutional fine points that are never enforced, or obvious theories. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I'd say it was "definite", but I don't have confidence that the Republicans will stick with it enough to make it happen. That being said, what else can they do?  So, maybe.

 

 

309

@314

SterlingtheBandit,

 

The thing about the fatalities with F and F is that if you give a bunch of guns to killers, you can reasonably expect that more people will be killed. But that's indirect, as far as the responsibility. Let's not get away from the fact that it is the cartels that are actually pointing those guns and pulling the trigger. Also, you can't really say that a given individual was killed specifically because the killer had a particular gun.  If the gun running had not occurred, they may well still have had that opportunity - with a different weapon.  It doesn't make sense to pin the responsibility - even indirect responsibility - for a specific death on the possession of a specific weapon. Further, let's not trumpet two American names and ignore all the additional Mexicans who were likely killed.

 

But, further, the whole point of the operation - as far as I can tell - was SPECIFICALLY to cause trouble, including fatalities, and further, to instigate public support for undermining the 2nd Amendment. So, again, there are worse things a President can do than get a couple of Americans killed - it misses the bigger point.

 

 

310 You're right, Soona. It just seems kind of overwhelming now.

311 I do agree they should wait and see what happens when Obamacare goes into effect, and then pick up Obama's pieces.

Wait till the LIV all show up and request their free medical care! Hilarity will ensue.

312 shutting down the whole thing would be GREAT!! for the Dems in 2014 the House GOP approval is laready below freezing. The only real reason that people elect Dems is that they are only running against Repubs. That sets the bar pretty low.

313 The folly of Principles. FYNQ.

314 "An Open Letter To Speaker Boehner"

A total waste of time.

315 "197
Aside from other issues involved in secession, it is probably
essential to have nukes in order to make it stick. That is a pretty
significant hurdle to cross.
==========
Pantex, makin' the nukes in TX for ya' already.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 20, 2013 11:25 AM (VjL9S)"

And yet, somehow I doubt that if Rick Perry were to ask them to make him some W87s for the Texas National Guard that they would oblige him in that request.

316 "or a delay in the implementation of ObamaCare until these investigations are complete and corrective actions are made."

Not only no, but hell no.  Unless you can get ObamaCare delayed to the middle of 2017, we WANT it to go into effect next year.  Just in time for people to be really pissed off about it before voting in the 2014 elections.  Delaying implementation until after the 2014 elections helps the Democrats, not us.

317 Where's the SMOD when ya really could use one?

318 Yep.

319 This Admin is essentially at war with the American people whether 50% of them realize it or not.

320 Picturing the orange man with a spine. Comedy gold right there. Pure comedy gold.

'Wait' you - weren't- kidding- were-you?

321 This is why we lose, all we do is talk (complain) to one another. There are some things only political leaders can do. "Shutting it down" is one such way. Don't hold your breath. But there are also things only the people in groups as small as 4 or 5 can do that will cause the regime great consternation.

If you want to know more, and are up for a fight instead of a gripe, contact me at francisxavier1232@gmail.com. Say you read it here.

322

Sorry I cannot be pithy and short.  I agree completely that Boehner needs to shut it down.  He has to because Obama has already won, and I don't mean the election.  But what Obama has won is not popular.  I view everything that happened in the past 10 days as strategy.  Let me explain.  Is anyone asking why the administration leaked stories about the IRS and monitoring reporters now? Might I suggest it is not going to stop. Further, might I suggest nothing will be done about it. For certain, these operations were meant to make people believe they will not stop. And really, would anyone believe the administration or the DOJ if they suddenly remembered who ordered these actions, apologized, and promised not to do it again?
The purpose of the administration disclosing the IRS activities and these media attacks is to frighten off citizens, the media, media sources, and anyone who has information the administration does not want disclosed. The administration has plans for the next 3 years. Big plans. They are not just sitting around doing the people's business. They are plotting and scheming. They do not want any disclosure of what they are planning and do not want any pesky questions about their objectives. They sure as Hell don't want any Senate election interfering and hope they can take back the House. They will impose their vision by any means necessary, without debate, without worrying about legalities, and without concern about any opposition.
The press now understands their compliant obedience is of critical import to the administration's goals. They will "report" only that news leaked to them by official administration sources. They will not question how the official administration story was created or shaped. They will not look beyond the story given them. They will accept their role in the "fundamental transformation."
And that's that.
The citizens are scared. Listen to the citizen stories. Heck, listen to the reporters' stories. What happened has put fear in their voices. They know someone is looking over their shoulder, watching, monitoring, and if they cross a line, make a donation, speak out or report, they may be investigated by the DOJ or audited by the IRS, and exhaust their life savings defending themselves against whatever charges can be imagined.
The press is controlled, the people intimidated. The last thing they need is to disarm the public and that is happening in select states whose governors and democratic state controlled legislatures are complying with orders from the party in Washington.
We now live under tyranny and are close to living in a police state.  Boehner's only course is to shut it down.  The administration has already won.  If Boehner funds it, it only gets worse.  This is the time to fight.  There is no tomorrow.