August 27, 2013

Slate's Double-X Dummies Embarrass Themselves Again
— Ace

The funny thing is, even Slate's readers -- who are themselves very liberal -- are revolted by the stupidity.

@johnekdahl thinks this is a deliberate attempt to get links by writing shit that's so ducking fumb that people like me have to link it. I've floated that theory before myself, about Slate's egregious article claiming that an AP story about a woman who fell from a building was Slut-Shaming You Guys.

This is actually a real technique: The Daily Mail, I think, put that non-beautiful woman up to writing about how beautiful she was. They knew that would get a reaction.

So here were are again, and Slate is embarrassing itself yet again, in the hopes of collecting some links.

Well there you go. Are you happy?

What is the article about? Well, it's a response to an article (of course it's a response to an article; God forbid one of these ninnies write something on their own initiative, instead of being forever reactionaries) that was published in the New York Times celebrating the uses of quiet in life, how quiet aids one in thinking, how it helps one maintain a balance and calm, and so on.

I have not read it and don't plan to because no one has to sell me on the benefits of a round of cold crisp Shut Up Juice for the house.

Her response? What a horrible attack on women. #WarOnWomen.

Yes that's right, she's sort of right there saying "Women are Super Loud and Noisy and Never Shut Up and Can Never Get to the Point of a Story!"

But it's okay for her to say that, because she's An Feminist, and she's claiming being a loud, caterwauling whiner is some sort of positive contribution to society.

And yet. Something off-putting lurks behind Prochnik’s whole Mr. Darling “a little less noise there” routine. Maybe it’s just that the expectation that one can work in pin-drop quiet feels very … male, or at least alien to a lot of women’s experience.

She then talks about how women are expected to do their jobs at their jobs n stuff.

I detect a strong whiff of resentment about that, but whatever, read it for yourself.


Prochnik opens his piece by quoting the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, who believed “a great mind can have great thoughts only if all its powers of concentration are brought to bear on one subject, in the same way that a concave mirror focuses light on one point.” Noise disperses focus, disrupting the formation of ideas. Fine. Yet any “great mind” in Schopenhauer’s philosophizing by necessity belongs to a man. In his 1851 polemic On Women, the thinker isolates rationality as the quality peculiar to men; women “are childish, silly and short-sighted, in a word big children.” (Sidebar: “Big children” is two words.)

Sidebar: this tangent is irrelevant.

Did you catch that? The author quoted Schopenhauer for the proposition that silence is a pleasure and then she linked a different Schopenhauer piece saying Mean Things About Girls!!! (footystomp) and then declared Quietude = #WarOnWomen.

I thought I would explain that to you because it is so strained and twisted some of you probably couldn't follow that without hurting your brains with illogic.

Prochnik’s second historical example, after Schopenhauer, involves Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter narrating how “the men whose labors brought forth the Constitution of the United States had the street outside Independence Hall covered with earth so that their deliberations might not be disturbed by passing traffic.” A true and resonant detail! But it’s also one dude quoting another dude describing a bunch of dudes seeking to carve out a tranquil dude-space in which dudes’ rights could be secured across the country. Sausagefest aside, you get the sense a group of founding mothers would maybe just shut the windows.

Yup. Close the windows firmly shut against the noise. Seal it up tight. Jam wadding in the sills.

In the summer. In Philadelphia. Capital idea, Genius.

Whoshe a shmart girl? Youshe a shmart girl! Yesh you are! Yesh you are!

See the "How Terribly Embarrassing" Update at Post's End.

“The quiet in Independence Hall was not the silence of a monastic retreat,” Prochnik writes. “It was a silence that made them [the “men whose labors … ” etc] more receptive to the sound of the world around them.” Not quite. The world around them was muffled by all that dirt. Playing out the metaphor, while the constitutional convention accomplished wonderful things, must we pretend it did a great job amplifying all marginalized voices? Some serious silencing was still going on.

Let me point out once again that Sex & the City had done terrible things to women, from promoting "Have Sex Like a Man!" promiscuity in very young girls, to telling women that the pinnacle of discourse is Carrie Bradshaw's twee chicklit burblings.


I guess thatÂ’s my problem with ProchnikÂ’s otherwise excellent article. History is littered with instances of white men thoughtlessly asking (or forcing) people who are not white men to shut up.

You know, I don't want to be the guy who says "Hitler did it," but Hitler was known to be quite the shushyface in his day.

It just feels jarring to read a male author use the words of other male authors to extol the virtues of silence. Either Prochnik shouldnÂ’t place such a high premium on quiet, or, if he must have a hushed, pristine bubble in which to think great thoughts, he should retreat to a highbrow man cave and let the rest of us live in and contribute to the sound of the world around us.


As I said before: Connoisseurship. If what she were saying were true, it would probably be obvious, and a connoisseur does not get compliments for recognizing things which are obvious. Yes, the wine is dry, but anyone could have said that; the connoisseur, if he seeks to impress, will have say something unexpected and preferably nonsensical, like "The wine is dry, and yet, at the same time, rather wet in its dryness; a rather moist sort of dry."

So there you go. According to Slate, Serious You Guys anyone speaking of the benefits of quiet Hates Women, #WarOnWomen You Guys, and furthermore, Serious You Guys, women need to put a sock in it or something.


Embarrassing.

I can't say this is a new low because, frankly, the other one was really far stupider. At least this silly blogpost referenced an article that may be interesting to some, brought up an interesting anecdote about the drafting of the Constitution (here's another interesting fact: It's hot in the summer), and mentioned Schopenhauer.

And yet, still very, very embarrassing.

I never doubt the equality of the sexes until I read Feminists.


How Terribly Embarrassing: The windows in fact were closed -- nailed shut, in fact -- as a privacy issue.

So she was wrong to suggest that as something they could have done (they did it), and I was wrong to say that the couldn't have done it, for the heat.

At least this seems to be the lore. I sort of doubt all the windows were shut. Maybe the first-level windows were nailed shut.

I'm having a hard time believing that you seal all the windows in the summer in Philadelphia.

You just can't have a hundred guys in the room, in the summer, working by candlelight (and candles do pump out heat), with no ventilation.

Nevermind the wigs and the ten layers of jackets and frilly shirts.

Unless they were porting in ice or something. Which isn't inconceivable, I guess.

Thanks to MSYB.

Posted by: Ace at 02:09 PM | Comments (391)
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1 Oh Be Quiet!

Posted by: Adriane... at August 27, 2013 02:13 PM (j/FJV)

2 Too bad she's not An Hero (thanks encyclopedia dramatica)

Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 02:13 PM (L9AnB)

3 Somebody must've told her to shut her yap and make him a sammich

Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 02:15 PM (L9AnB)

4 Claaaaassss! SHUT UUUUUUPPPP!!!

Posted by: Sister Mary Elephant at August 27, 2013 02:15 PM (AsY5D)

5 A date once asked me what my goals in life are, or what I value. I said "Peace and Quiet."

Posted by: fb at August 27, 2013 02:15 PM (JVEmw)

6 She is An Dumbass.

Posted by: Jmel at August 27, 2013 02:15 PM (cfFqn)

7 Forget Ace, It's New York City.

Posted by: rd at August 27, 2013 02:16 PM (D+lxs)

8 And once again the first comment is the potential threadwinnah, heh.

Posted by: LizLem, sadly too young to start telling twentysomething hipsters to get off her lawn at August 27, 2013 02:16 PM (8wqqE)

9 that was published in the New York Times celebrating the uses of quiet in life, how quiet aids one in thinking, how it helps one maintain a balance and calm, and so on. Quiet in life? Really? Screw that. It'll be quiet enough in the coffin.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 27, 2013 02:17 PM (E7Zh9)

10 They should be required to post pics of these hags. Also, I'd like to see how these trolls live. e.g. number of (habitable) sq. ft, how many cats, how many dogs. How many BIG male dogs w/out neutering. It would add the necessary shading.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 27, 2013 02:17 PM (tiHWQ)

11 Well, supposedly men have one track minds and women's minds are all cluttered and stuff, so yes, concentration and focus are sexist. And you're supposed to know that. Because sexism.

Posted by: Chelsea Merchant at August 27, 2013 02:17 PM (AsY5D)

12 So Carrie Bradshaw walks into this bar, and the bartender asks . . .

Posted by: Furious George at August 27, 2013 02:17 PM (yFb77)

13 Prochnik’s second historical example, after Schopenhauer, involves Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter narrating how “the men whose labors brought forth the Constitution of the United States had the street outside Independence Hall covered with earth so that their deliberations might not be disturbed by passing traffic.” ---- This is funny b/c just last night I heard a lecture from a political history scholar referring to how critical it was that the Founders' work be done in absolute secret. So I gotta wonder if the dirt was to keep sounds OUT or keep them IN.

Posted by: Y-not at August 27, 2013 02:18 PM (5H6zj)

14 Well, clearly not an introvert. That *whine* was almost an exact example of the pattern of someone who wants to argue something *to argue it* for *reasons*, and has to go looking for details to fill out an argument that they didn't have when they started, and so the entire article looks like a blind man's Christmas Tree with random objects tied to the branches.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 27, 2013 02:18 PM (qyfb5)

15 They should be more worried about learning to change a light bulb.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 27, 2013 02:18 PM (bYRF2)

16 Nobody watched the show for Carrie.

Posted by: Samantha at August 27, 2013 02:18 PM (Aif/5)

17

I find this sort of idiocy remarkable in its utter lack of thought.

After the mixed thoughts from the woman who thinks insertion into blackness makes me racist, I didn't expect the dumb to be out-done, but...

 

Wait a second.

I figured it out. In just a few paragraphs she makes it damningly clear why she is so opposed to silence as an avenue for self-reflection and thought: she lacks both.

Posted by: CAC at August 27, 2013 02:18 PM (gEoEs)

18 do bloggers get paid by the word?

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 27, 2013 02:19 PM (8sCoq)

19 Yes that's right, she's sort of right there saying "Women are Super Loud and Noisy and Never Shut Up and Can Never Get to the Point of a Story!" I'm hurt. *sniff*

Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 02:19 PM (r+7wo)

20 Are you sure this isn't another Onion article?

Posted by: SilentMoron at August 27, 2013 02:19 PM (jrZZ0)

21 I can't process this thread. I'm still trying to process Billy Ray Cyrus' little daughter prancing around in her undies licking the @ss of a woman of color. I know there's a War On Woman and I'm personally responsible for it... somehow... but I honestly don't know which side I should be on.

Posted by: Name (Chelsea) Withheld Upon Request [/i] at August 27, 2013 02:19 PM (U2UQk)

22 oh shit the whole blog turned either blue or gray

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 27, 2013 02:19 PM (8sCoq)

23 If this were a movie theater I'd be shouting FOCUS!!! FOCUS!!!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 27, 2013 02:20 PM (qyfb5)

24 Feminists, no sense of humor whatsoever.

Posted by: navybrat at August 27, 2013 02:20 PM (6AzaA)

25 I feel so boxed in. Claustrophobia!!!

Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 02:20 PM (r+7wo)

26 okay that's better

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 27, 2013 02:20 PM (8sCoq)

27 Huh.

Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 02:20 PM (r+7wo)

28 Yes that's right, she's sort of right there saying "Women are Super Loud and Noisy and Never Shut Up and Can Never Get to the Point of a Story!" Pretty much my take anytime a group of women meet up in a restaurant and the resulting high-pitching carrying-on cracks my tooth enamel.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at August 27, 2013 02:20 PM (PMGbu)

29
In Slate, No One Can Hear You Scream

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 27, 2013 02:21 PM (lnFK0)

30 We like it quiet just fine.

Posted by: 9 out of 10 Nuns say at August 27, 2013 02:21 PM (AsY5D)

31 My girlfriend listens to such vile racket that I can't get any satisfaction out of listening to Blue Oyster Cult any more.  Yeah, I'm a quiet freak now too...

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 02:21 PM (GJUgF)

32 What's the name of this dumb bint so that I may mock her?

Posted by: steevy at August 27, 2013 02:21 PM (9XBK2)

33
Katy Waldman Yale '10

Top Notch.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 02:21 PM (kdS6q)

34 "Women are Super Loud and Noisy and Never Shut Up" Well I bet chelsea manning is gonna be screaming his head off in D block every night

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 02:21 PM (9Xc5j)

35 Where's my sammich?

Posted by: mugiwara at August 27, 2013 02:22 PM (hpYnL)

36 Maybe itÂ’s just that the expectation that one can work in pin-drop quiet feels very Â… male, or at least alien to a lot of womenÂ’s experience. ----- So, this is obviously bullshit along with the rest. But playing along and assuming this is just a male thing, then why is it a great sin that men should value quiet?

Posted by: Dave S. at August 27, 2013 02:22 PM (/BwGa)

37 Shush!

Posted by: The Librarians at August 27, 2013 02:22 PM (AsY5D)

38

Yes that's right, she's sort of right there saying "Women are Super Loud and Noisy and Never Shut Up and Can Never Get to the Point of a Story!"

 

Yeah, and ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 27, 2013 02:22 PM (nTgAI)

39 One gets the feeling that the author is tired of being told to shut up and she wants to blame it on the patriarchy rather than the fact that she is an annoying stupid gas bag that's too full of herself.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 27, 2013 02:23 PM (DJ1Ho)

40 Shut up so the grownups can talk.

Posted by: Iowa Chelsea at August 27, 2013 02:23 PM (RJ+Yj)

41

[from Ace:] ..."@johnekdahl thinks this is a deliberate attempt to get links by writing shit that's so ducking fumb that people like me have to link it."

 

----

 

Well then I shant click it.

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 02:23 PM (el7k2)

42
Shush!
Posted by: The Librarians





Shush! You bad, bad boys!
Posted by: The Naughty Librarians

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 02:25 PM (kdS6q)

43

I duck whenever I see teh fumb coming at me.

 

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 02:25 PM (el7k2)

44 Turn down that racket!!

Posted by: Your Mom at August 27, 2013 02:25 PM (JVEmw)

45 Basically, Slate is doing what Miley Cyrus did the other evening-- doing something outrageous (and ridiculous) in a bid for attention.

Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 02:26 PM (MMC8r)

46 Women should be seen and not heard, although I'll allow a noise exception when I'm entering her balloon knot.

Posted by: mugiwara at August 27, 2013 02:26 PM (hpYnL)

47 This is actually a real technique: The Daily Mail, I think, put that non-beautiful woman up to writing about how beautiful she was. They knew that would get a reaction. The DM does it all the time. Remember the article by the pregnant lady who didn't want the baby to be a boy and it started a shit storm? She already knew the sex of the baby and both she and her husband were thrilled they were having a boy. The editors give them an assignment and tells them to be provocative.

Posted by: Victor/Victoria at August 27, 2013 02:26 PM (FnJUz)

48 The patriarchy needs quiet, and sandwiches.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 02:26 PM (v1mq9)

49 Crazy chick author: It just feels jarring to read a male author use the words of other male authors to extol the virtues of silence. Either Prochnik shouldnÂ’t place such a high premium on quiet, or, if he must have a hushed, pristine bubble in which to think great thoughts, he should retreat to a highbrow man cave and let the rest of us live in and contribute to the sound of the world around us. What in THE hell. I have to XX chromosomes and like to listen to music as I work, but even I, possessor of double-X chromosomes, must turn down the music and have total silence when attacking a difficult problem at work. I might add that my job does not involve being an idiotic provocateur who finds nonsensical nonexistent outrages everywhere. Jeez. I can't imagine what it's like to date or be married to such a shrew.

Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 02:26 PM (r+7wo)

50 Will you damn kids go to sleep already!!

Posted by: Your Mom at August 27, 2013 02:26 PM (JVEmw)

51
That chick can't even shut up on the internet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 27, 2013 02:26 PM (lnFK0)

52 Her ideas are childish, silly and short-sighted.

Posted by: Mr. Schopenhauer at August 27, 2013 02:26 PM (SzAZ7)

53 I can't imagine what it's like to date or be married to such a shrew. Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (r+7wo) Or just be friends with one, for that matter. (Yes, I quoted myself. Shut up.)

Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 02:27 PM (r+7wo)

54 The editors give them an assignment and tells them to be provocative. Posted by: Victor/Victoria at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (FnJUz) Because, you know, clearly there isn't enough shit flying in the world as-is.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 27, 2013 02:27 PM (qyfb5)

55 Save it for commercials, will you? The game is on.

Posted by: The Patriarchy at August 27, 2013 02:27 PM (JVEmw)

56 My tiny hovel is as quiet as a tomb. Except for the fan on the computer, the noises the refrigerator makes, and the sounds of the water pump and the sump pump, and the furnace fan, and the highway traffic outside, one of three neighbor's chain saw or the neighbors lawnmower.

Unless I'm watching a movie with the kilowatt sound system cranked up to 80% (you can hear the bass out on the highway) or iTunes is playing music.

Posted by: Consequences be damned at August 27, 2013 02:27 PM (PwJdB)

57 Yes that's right, she's sort of right there saying "Women are Super Loud and Noisy and Never Shut Up and Can Never Get to the Point of a Story!" So she has met my wife.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at August 27, 2013 02:27 PM (uxi9i)

58 When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. She has feminism. It's her hammer. .... Wha? No, I did not say I wanted to nail her. No I did not mean to imply she's a carpenter s dream.....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 27, 2013 02:28 PM (Tc7K3)

59 Hush up, ladies!  The men are philosophizin' and shit.

Posted by: Fritz at August 27, 2013 02:28 PM (UzPAd)

60 Look at a typical poker room.  You might hear a clock ticking or a Colt Peacemaker being cocked...

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 02:28 PM (GJUgF)

61 I suffer from a mild case of misophonia, a hatred of sound, where the slurps and crunching of people nearby eating can drive me mad and angry, but its usually other males that make me want to throw a chair.  Not woman (who are usually more mindful of their eating noises).

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 27, 2013 02:29 PM (UypUQ)

62
Also beer.  With the sandwiches.  Shut up and pay attention.

Posted by: Other Patriarch at August 27, 2013 02:29 PM (lnFK0)

63 There's this guy next to my team that goes on and on about everything, especially Apple products. The women in particular get sick of it. I know when I was a kid, and me and my brother would act like idiots and run our mouths incessantly, my Mom would mandate 10 mins of quiet before she lost her mind. So there's 2 anecdotes for you. Pretty sure that they aren't exactly unique.

Posted by: Dave S. at August 27, 2013 02:29 PM (h1gQR)

64 Can't we just repeal Universal Suffrage now?

/sarc (or maybe not)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at August 27, 2013 02:29 PM (28TG+)

65

45 Basically, Slate is doing what Miley Cyrus did the other evening-- doing something outrageous (and ridiculous) in a bid for attention.

 

We are establishing a new Award...

The Miley Cyrus Award for attention-whoring excellence.

 

Slate is in the running for the first winner.

 

Posted by: Attention Whores Union at August 27, 2013 02:29 PM (el7k2)

66 Ten bucks says Katy loves the diving of the muff.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 02:30 PM (v1mq9)

67
I WANT PEACE AND QUIET!!

I'll be quiet.

And I'll be peace.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 27, 2013 02:30 PM (IrLKP)

68 STFU, humorless, feminist shrew!

Posted by: Lizzy at August 27, 2013 02:30 PM (UrtRh)

69 Is Twitter working?

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 02:31 PM (v1mq9)

70 61 I hate those sounds too.I'm a very quiet eater because it would annoy me even if I made the sounds.

Posted by: steevy at August 27, 2013 02:31 PM (9XBK2)

71 I imagine the staff lounge at Slate is stocked exclusively with fainting couches.

Posted by: chuckinseattle at August 27, 2013 02:33 PM (oDKZU)

72 She sounds like such a charming person. Who wouldn't want to be a part of her world?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 27, 2013 02:33 PM (HJ0MR)

73 Sidebar: The German philosopher (rather predictably) wrote in German.  A language that loves to smash adjective into noun to form a single compound word.

So yes, "Big Children" was, in fact, one word.  It merely wasn't translated into one word.
So much for our cosmopolitan "betters" and their worldliness.

Posted by: Luke at August 27, 2013 02:33 PM (sl1S5)

74 54 The editors give them an assignment and tells them to be provocative. 
Posted by: Victor/Victoria at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (FnJUz) 

Because, you know, clearly there isn't enough shit flying in the world as-is. 
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 27, 2013 06:27 PM (qyfb5)


Newspaper equivalent of Lady Gaga/Miley Cyrus? 

Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 02:33 PM (oY6Yp)

75 It's quiet on my front porch, I got a cigar going and a dram glass of the good stuff.  There's no LGBT outreach going on and I can actually hear crickets and cicadas. Just sayin'...

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 02:33 PM (GJUgF)

76 This is the kind of prose that makes me glad I paid extra for the platinum membership.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 27, 2013 02:33 PM (6WVi+)

77 Did I mention Prochnik has a lovely way with words? “We jerk to the tug of noise like sonic marionettes, *********** Clearly he is talking about spanking it Cyrus.

Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 02:34 PM (r2PLg)

78 The photo.... those are fake nails.

Posted by: Cate at August 27, 2013 02:34 PM (bYl+i)

79 The hardest pat of having my daughter move home was the lack of silence. I have gotten used to it, but it was hard. Silence is also a method by which we can listen to the still, small voice of God. ANd that is why many convents have the Rule of Silence.

Posted by: Miss Marple at August 27, 2013 02:35 PM (GoIUi)

80 Someone ought to open up the window!

Sorry, now I've got showtunes running through my head...


Posted by: packsoldier at August 27, 2013 02:35 PM (MM98+)

81 Stop contributing to my alcoholism!

Posted by: DomesticGoddess at August 27, 2013 02:35 PM (WnU/w)

82 So women like to yammer and yap and men don't. That about cover it? Shocking!

Posted by: wierdflunkyonatablet at August 27, 2013 02:36 PM (tlhtD)

83 But I thought it was war on boys/young men to expect or demand them to sit still and contain all forms of sound production. INSTY SAYS! I don't know what's real anymore.

Posted by: SarahW at August 27, 2013 02:36 PM (LYwCh)

84 Yes that's right, she's sort of right there saying "Women are Super Loud and Noisy and Never Shut Up and Can Never Get to the Point of a Story!"

---

My s-i-l rambles, to the point that my brother will say, 'shorter story' if he's interested enough to want to hear the point of her story. They've been married so long she just pauses, laughs, and continues on her ramble. She got him good once though. He said, 'shorter story,' she looked at him, thought for a second, and said, 'the dog died.' He looked shocked, she laughed.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 02:38 PM (Oz+LZ)

85 I used to love her, but I had to kill her. She ate my cruller, now she's six feet under.

Posted by: Axl Rose at August 27, 2013 02:38 PM (SzAZ7)

86 The photo.... those are fake nails I know! I couldn't even read past that part. who makes a stock photo like that?!?! it's like a stock I bought recently - of a businesswoman - her teeth were all weirdly pointy. Damn you JupiterImages! And that was my first thought too, Luke - duh in German it's one word moron. trolling amateur webzine I don't care anyway I'm busy having a school-is-starting nervous breakdown

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 27, 2013 02:38 PM (2up3Q)

87 Packsoldier, are you thinking on 1776!

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 02:38 PM (GJUgF)

88 I'm pretty sure, in the male of the species, all that quiet focus has one goal, which is working out some way to make a very loud sort of explosion

Posted by: SarahW at August 27, 2013 02:38 PM (LYwCh)

89 I guess thatÂ’s my problem with ProchnikÂ’s otherwise excellent article. History is littered with instances of white men thoughtlessly asking (or forcing) people who are not white men to shut up. ************** Jeebus did Ace miss the White Angle--because she hits that one too.

Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 02:39 PM (r2PLg)

90 Bill Cosby did a pretty funny bit back in the day about how parents aren't interested in justice and fairness, they just want quiet.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 27, 2013 02:39 PM (Zswg6)

91 >>>Jeebus did Ace miss the White Angle--because she hits that one too.

you know, I just tuned her out, as usual.

Men have an inboard Shush Mechanism in their brain called "Ignoring You."

Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 02:40 PM (/IWYB)

92 even I, possessor of double-X chromosomes, must turn down the music and have total silence when attacking a difficult problem at work. Well, thereÂ’s your problem right there. You have work, and worse, your work involves difficult problems that must be solved. You should find an easier job, such as writing for Slate.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 27, 2013 02:40 PM (QF8uk)

93 I encourage all feminysts to live every day without the contributions of white men.

Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 02:41 PM (MMC8r)

94 Ace, you having a problem with Twitter?

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 02:41 PM (v1mq9)

95 Shut yer yapper sugar tits.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at August 27, 2013 02:42 PM (jucos)

96

There are no loud feminists in my life. I did one thing right, anyway.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 27, 2013 02:42 PM (gNlKa)

97 Silence is also a method by which we can listen to the still, small voice of God. ANd that is why many convents have the Rule of Silence.

Posted by: Miss Marple at August 27, 2013 06:35 PM (GoIUi)


Excellent! I long thought God whispers, and too often we aren't quiet enough to hear it.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 02:42 PM (Oz+LZ)

98 89 That's reflexive for the left.

Posted by: steevy at August 27, 2013 02:42 PM (9XBK2)

99 Best compliment I was ever paid: A new young girl at work asked "Don't you ever smile?" Before I could answer, an old hand said "Be careful. When he smiles, it means something bad is about to happen." Preplanned explosions indeed...

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 02:42 PM (GJUgF)

100 There's one sure-fire way to get a woman to shut he yap.

Posted by: Dr Randy Jewels at August 27, 2013 02:43 PM (v1mq9)

101 The problem with this stuff is that it sounds plausible if you've been inundated with Critical Theory. And since Critical Theory is pretty much the extent of the humanities these days, this doesn't get treated as parody. It is sincere, in its way. Sure, there's a bit of showmanship here. There's the alarm that goes off and the Amateur Webzine Blogger jumps up and dances a little dance. It's trite, it's boring, they're untalented, but that's what you do in a sideshow.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 02:43 PM (T0NGe)

102 Virginia Woolf is rolling in her grave

Posted by: weew at August 27, 2013 02:44 PM (2yhel)

103 I'm thinking people have always told her that SHE is too loud, and not being able to handle this criticism, decided it must be a slight against all women. Throwing in the white part of white men telling others to shut up was just out of habit.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 27, 2013 02:44 PM (UrtRh)

104 87

Yes...I played McNair in a local production once.

Posted by: packsoldier at August 27, 2013 02:44 PM (MM98+)

105 >>>Men have an inboard Shush Mechanism in their brain called "Ignoring You."<<<

My grandfather was an expert practitioner of selective hearing, - deaf as a doornail for all matters except playing cards.  And he was never late for dinner.

Posted by: Fritz at August 27, 2013 02:44 PM (UzPAd)

106 63 ---I know when I was a kid, and me and my brother would act like idiots and run our mouths incessantly, my Mom would mandate 10 mins of quiet before she lost her mind. Posted by: Dave S. at August 27, 2013 06:29 PM (h1gQR) ----------------------- Heh. Scenes like that flashed across my mind while reading this nonsense. I will bet all I own that this femineurotic has no kids.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 27, 2013 02:45 PM (C8mVl)

107 Packsoldier. Awesome...

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 02:45 PM (GJUgF)

108 I have to XX chromosomes and like to listen to music as I work, but even I, possessor of double-X chromosomes, must turn down the music and have total silence when attacking a difficult problem at work. Here's the thing, Chelsea d'afrique...what if you never have difficult problems at work, like, oh, say, a Slate blogger.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 02:45 PM (T0NGe)

109 Twitter is good for something.Found out Adam Baldwin is a Slayer fan.

Posted by: steevy at August 27, 2013 02:45 PM (9XBK2)

110 you know, I just tuned her out, as usual. Men have an inboard Shush Mechanism in their brain called "Ignoring You." Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 06:40 PM (/IWYB) ******* That gets undone by--boobs. Sort of.

Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 02:46 PM (r2PLg)

111 If a straight white male were to issue a warning against pounding 10-penny nails into your forehead, there is a significant number of 'intellectuals' who would declare it an imperative, because racism/patriarchy/hetero-norming.

Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 02:46 PM (MMC8r)

112 Posted by: steevy


Apparently the Syrian Army has screwed my twitter access. Thanks Obama!

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 02:47 PM (v1mq9)

113 She's only saying that because I'm a cisheteronky.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 27, 2013 02:48 PM (qyfb5)

114 Feminism died when they had to defend Bill Clinton. Now, they are staunch defenders of the hijab and burkha, the sexual exploitation of women is not only AOK but is encouraged. Remember when feminists were against porn? Yeah.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 02:50 PM (T0NGe)

115 O/T:  Phylis Schlafy, constitutional lawyer, taking levin to task on the Real Mews on the beck network.


Posted by: caustic at August 27, 2013 02:50 PM (/b8+5)

116 "You shut your mouth when you're talking to me."

Posted by: Pissed-off wife in Wedding Crashers at August 27, 2013 02:50 PM (GXKTh)

117 news not mews, my fingers went to happy hour.

Posted by: caustic at August 27, 2013 02:51 PM (/b8+5)

118 If only to eliminate the constant harping on white men, we should team up with the Hispanic men (including the illegal immigrants) and shut this kind of idiocy down once and for all. Really?? You have a problem with teh most omni-competent cohort on history telling morons and pud-pullers to shut up and get out of the way? By God, this society will simply collapse of its own weight in a decade if they keep alienating the men who make this nation work. Why not just cut to the chase and start every Slate essay with "I HATE YOU, DAD!!!" or "I'M SMART TOO, DAD!!!"

Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 02:51 PM (L9AnB)

119 Anyone know if you can make moonshine out of grapes?

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 02:51 PM (ZshNr)

120 You shut your whore mouth.  You go back to your home on Whore Island.


Posted by: Ron Burgundy at August 27, 2013 02:51 PM (/IWYB)

121 Feminism died when they had to defend Bill Clinton. Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 06:50 PM (T0NGe) I think they had been embalming themselves for years, but that was a pretty big blow to the ability to claim it was about anything but political power and ideology.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 27, 2013 02:53 PM (qyfb5)

122 Why not just cut to the chase and start every Slate essay with "I HATE YOU, DAD!!!" or "I'M SMART TOO, DAD!!!" Daddy issues really permeate today's culture.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 02:53 PM (T0NGe)

123 119 Anyone know if you can make moonshine out of grapes? Posted by: Lincolntf

I believe you can make it with any kind of fruit.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 02:54 PM (v1mq9)

124 Where is Andrea Dworkin buried?

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 02:54 PM (GJUgF)

125 moonshine out of grapes? Maybe we could call it, I don't know, brandy?

Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 02:54 PM (L9AnB)

126 Moonshine from grapes? Italians call that grappa... 

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 02:55 PM (GJUgF)

127 I've noticed that the only "war on_____" people are liberals/lefties. Conservatives just want to live their lives, not be told what to do, think or say, earn a living, enjoy their families and be proud to be an American. I don't understand all the time spent on made up grievances.

Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 02:55 PM (A98Xu)

128 111 If a straight white male were to issue a warning against pounding 10-penny nails into your forehead, there is a significant number of 'intellectuals' who would declare it an imperative, because racism/patriarchy/hetero-norming. Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 06:46 PM (MMC8r) Which of course reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg

Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 02:56 PM (sdi6R)

129 Actually, they not only shut the windows, but nailed them shut. In the summer. In Philadelphia. During the Federal Convention. It's called history and obviously no one at Slate cares about depicting it factually.

Posted by: MSYB at August 27, 2013 06:52 PM (GMxQL)


---


I thought I remembered reading that somewhere. Maybe it was in Miracle At Philadelphia.



Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 02:56 PM (Oz+LZ)

130 "History is littered with instances of white men thoughtlessly asking (or forcing) people who are not white men to shut up." Darling, asking you to STFU isn't thoughtless.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at August 27, 2013 02:56 PM (SzAZ7)

131

"I never doubt the equality of the sexes until I read feminists."

That may be the most quotable sentence I've read in years.  *Wipes tear from eye. Stands and begins clapping slowly and passionately*

Posted by: BaRambo Obama at August 27, 2013 02:56 PM (HzhBE)

132

114 Feminism died when they had to defend Bill Clinton.

 

Now, they are staunch defenders of the hijab and burkha, the sexual exploitation of women is not only AOK but is encouraged. Remember when feminists were against porn?

 

Yeah.

 

----------

 

Yeah, Amish Dude...I remember when feminists used to rail against MTV videos for they way they sexualized women.

They are fucking hypocrites now.

 

But I think they're okay with the idea of burkas because they would like to see attractive women have to wear them.

 

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 02:56 PM (el7k2)

133
I would have went with this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uejh-bHa4To

Posted by: Other Patriarch at August 27, 2013 02:57 PM (lnFK0)

134 Four words a guy does not want to hear from a female. "We need to talk"

Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 27, 2013 02:57 PM (39IHH)

135 By the way, going hunting is great quiet time. Reading a book is good quiet time. Going to a church/temple/synagog when it's empty is good quiet time. I didn't read the article but, sheesh.

Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 02:58 PM (A98Xu)

136 Actually, they not only shut the windows, but nailed
them shut. In the summer. In Philadelphia. During the Federal
Convention. It's called history and obviously no one at Slate cares
about depicting it factually.

Posted by: MSYB at August 27, 2013 06:52 PM


That was like over a hundred years ago.  Nobody remembers that stuff.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at August 27, 2013 02:58 PM (bAGA/)

137 To phrase it better, does anyone know if/how/whatsits about using grapes to make alcohol? Making wine is not really worth it to me, but if that's all I can do I will try. I've got a huge muscadine vine that has produced exactly one grape in the last 5 years, but is now laden with huge unripe bunches. Easily ten pounds, maybe closer to twenty, on the vine.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 02:59 PM (ZshNr)

138 Yeah, taking it up the squeaker for Clinton pretty much killed me. But.... You know... Wymyn. We gotta bitch about something.

Posted by: Feminism at August 27, 2013 02:59 PM (ZR4Xh)

139 @ 88. U got it, girl. Women are usually afraid its going to blow up. While the men are hoping it does.

Posted by: Vn Redleg at August 27, 2013 02:59 PM (w48t9)

140 Feminists: They still hate my male guts. I still don't care...

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 02:59 PM (GJUgF)

141 Here's the thing, Chelsea d'afrique...what if you never have difficult problems at work, like, oh, say, a Slate blogger. Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 06:45 PM (T0NGe) Heh. Trying to figure out how to express biology/physiology mathematically, figuring out why your code is misbehaving (it can't be my fault!) or just getting your darn model to run properly is occasionally hard. Although I would find maintaining perpetual OUTRAGE! exceedingly difficult.

Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 03:00 PM (r+7wo)

142 Where is Andrea Dworkin buried? From what I can pull from the web, cremated, ashes are somewhere in Greece.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at August 27, 2013 03:01 PM (PMGbu)

143 Hear me roar.

Posted by: Woman at August 27, 2013 03:01 PM (Dwehj)

144 "he should retreat to a highbrow man cave and let the rest of us live in and contribute to the sound of the world around us."
___________________________________________

Perhaps it might have occurred to the author that there may be a connection between doing just this and male dominance of politics, science, art, the academy and so on and so forth?

Just food for thought.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 27, 2013 03:01 PM (pLu3Q)

145 How come men can't just ASK for directions. Huh? Huh???? Is it their penises? Is that why?

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:02 PM (HzhBE)

146 Didn't Schopenhauer say something along the line that if it were not for females unique anatomy, there would be a bounty on them? 

And, yes.... Hillary is the leaf blower of political speakers.

Posted by: Anchovy at August 27, 2013 03:02 PM (qbnUn)

147 moonshine out of grapes? Maybe we could call it, I don't know, brandy? They don't think there are things that they don't know. (Well, maybe a handful of things not worth knowing.)

Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 03:02 PM (T0NGe)

148 Russians evacuated from Syria; UN: Country on 'verge of abyss' Dozens of Russian nationals return home aboard special plane sent by Moscow. In phone conversation, FM Lavrov rejects Kerry's claim of chemical weapons use by Assad regime Bugging out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 03:02 PM (9Xc5j)

149

Please kill me.

Posted by: Katy Waldman's Boyfriend

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 03:02 PM (kdS6q)

150 "Be still!  And know that I am God!"

Posted by: TimothyJ at August 27, 2013 03:03 PM (0LB6+)

151 I've also noticed conservative women like men. They marry them, enjoy being with them, have sex with them, try to get along with them, and don't try to compete with them unless it's for fun. Generally speaking conservative women are able to say, "You're better than me at this. I'm good with that." Well, the ones I know.

Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 03:03 PM (A98Xu)

152 "I actually did vote for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against it" - John F. Kerry

Andrew Wilkow is playing the clip

Posted by: caustic at August 27, 2013 03:03 PM (/b8+5)

153 Either Prochnik shouldnÂ’t place such a high premium on quiet Stop being who you are, and be who I want you to be!!! God DAD, you're SOOOOO embarrassing!!!

Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 03:04 PM (L9AnB)

154 My penis never points me I the wrong direction...

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 03:05 PM (GJUgF)

155

And what's with men and their BALLS? It they're not playing with their own, they're watching other men play with theirs out on a football or baseball field or whatever.  Is it a coincidence that all these games involve balls, sweating and violence? I don't think so.

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:05 PM (HzhBE)

156 Generally speaking conservative women are able to say, "You're better than me at this. I'm good with that." Well, the ones I know. Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 07:03 PM (A98Xu) My wife always says that: "Your better at that than me, now take out the freaken garbage"!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 03:05 PM (9Xc5j)

157

138...Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 06:59 PM (ZshNr)

 

Muscadine wine is some of the best homemade wine I've ever tasted.

 

You could probably find a recipe on the internets somewhere.

DIY Wine-making...or something.

 

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 03:05 PM (el7k2)

158 135 Four words a guy does not want to hear from a female. "We need to talk" Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 27, 2013 06:57 PM (39IHH) Heh. My mom didn't bother to tell me that until I was in my 40s.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 27, 2013 03:06 PM (Tnlh/)

159 143 Where is Andrea Dworkin buried? From what I can pull from the web, cremated, ashes are somewhere in Greece. Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at August 27, 2013 07:01 PM (PMGbu) ~ In a carboy.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at August 27, 2013 03:06 PM (SzAZ7)

160 I've never, NEVER told a woman to make me a sammich, but only because I doubt their ability to successfully build complex structures. 

Posted by: Oschisms at August 27, 2013 03:06 PM (pfVS8)

161 Generally speaking conservative women are able to say, "You're better than me at this. I'm good with that." Leftism is covering for a deep psychological insecurity. It also provides easy answers for our feelings of inadequacy: sexism, racism.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 03:06 PM (T0NGe)

162 I'm glad ace cleared that window thing up, I might not have been able to sleep at night.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 03:06 PM (v1mq9)

163 If the MEN were the ones who had to push babies out of THEIR bodies, I can guarantee you abortion would be legal all the way through the 3rd trimester.

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:07 PM (HzhBE)

164 The "white man" card sure is getting a workout lately. More so than usual.

Posted by: Good Ol' J.R. Hannity at August 27, 2013 03:07 PM (jXG+o)

165

Hey Baldilocks...loved your post yesterday.

 

I wasn't around when it was posted, but read it later.

Nicely said.

 

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 03:08 PM (el7k2)

166 My wife always says that: "Your better at that than me, now take out the freaken garbage"! Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:05 PM (9Xc5j) HA! I was going to add, that statement helps get a lot of crap done around the house.

Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 03:08 PM (A98Xu)

167 Men love women. Women love themselves. That's the calculus...

Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 03:08 PM (GJUgF)

168 Women just need to learn to shut up, would be an insensitive remark on the subject.

Posted by: UWP at August 27, 2013 03:08 PM (r98SZ)

169

I bet the only time a man WOULD ask for directions is if he was pregnant and couldn't find the nearest abortion clinic.

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:08 PM (HzhBE)

170 164 If the MEN were the ones who had to push babies out of THEIR bodies, I can guarantee you abortion would be legal all the way through the 3rd trimester. Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer


All men would have c-sections.
#we'renotidiots

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 03:08 PM (v1mq9)

171 I'm glad ace cleared that window thing up, I might not have been able to sleep at night.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 07:06 PM (v1mq9)

---


You're welcome.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 03:09 PM (Oz+LZ)

172 Posted by: Other Patriarch at August 27, 2013 06:57 PM (lnFK0)

Posted by: jakeman at August 27, 2013 03:09 PM (GXKTh)

173


I JUST CANT BELIEVE I WAS BORN A MAN!!!!

OH THE PAIN, THE PAIN! IT HURTS! BEING A MAN I SO TERRIBLE THAT I HATE IT, HATE IT, HATE IT!!!!!

CANT I JUST NOT BE A MAN, AND BE A, LIKE, THING OR SOMETHING!!! ITS SO UNFAIR TO WOMEN, OR WHATEVER THOSE THINGS ARE!!!!!

MY GOD THIS IS SO TERRIBLE!




Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at August 27, 2013 03:09 PM (HQml1)

174 Posted by: Other Patriarch at August 27, 2013 06:57 PM (lnFK0) Uh, that was supposed to be "I luv me some Aimee Mann," but I fubared it.

Posted by: jakeman at August 27, 2013 03:10 PM (GXKTh)

175 Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at August 27, 2013 07:09 PM (HQml1) ~ Hang in there Chelsea

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at August 27, 2013 03:11 PM (SzAZ7)

176 If the MEN were the ones who had to push babies out of THEIR bodies, I can guarantee you abortion would be legal all the way through the 3rd trimester. I've had kidney stones. Fie on your 'pregnancy.'

Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 03:11 PM (MMC8r)

177


IF IT IS POSSIBLE THAT NOT ANOTHER MAN THING IS EVER BORN WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THIS HAPPENS!

LIKE, THROUGH GENETICS AND STUFF! WE NEED TO STOP THESE THINGS! THEY ARE BEATING UP WOMEN AND BLACKS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND MUST BE STOPPED MUST MUST MUST!!!!



Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at August 27, 2013 03:11 PM (HQml1)

178 166 Hey Baldilocks...loved your post yesterday. I wasn't around when it was posted, but read it later. Nicely said. Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:08 PM (el7k2) Thank you. I just read it again before I sent it to my dad. Had the urge to edit it and add more stuff (writer's affliction) but I decided to shut up instead.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 27, 2013 03:11 PM (Tnlh/)

179 I see no reason that a woman shouldn't be able to approach a man she's interested in and ask HIM out on a date. And the only fucking reason all these ASSHOLES say no is all these goddamned outdated gender roles and the fact that they CAN'T HANDLE AN ASSERTIVE WOMAN!!!!!

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:12 PM (HzhBE)

180 You rang?

Posted by: Fish on a bicycle at August 27, 2013 03:12 PM (GXKTh)

181 My wife's poop smells worse than mine.

Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 27, 2013 03:12 PM (39IHH)

182 My wife always says that: "Your better at that than me, now take out the freaken garbage"! ---- Along with laundry, sweeping, dishes, and cooking, taking out the garbage was another thing I intentionally screwed up at to get the wife to do it. Our trash needed to be tagged with a $2 tag, so I'd put out 2 half bags of trash to the curb. This waste of $2, and my seeming inability to comprehend what constitutes a full bag relieved me of that duty.

Posted by: UWP at August 27, 2013 03:12 PM (r98SZ)

183 Pretty sure when Schopenhauer wrote "in a word" he was referring to "short-sighted." And since the dude was German one can assume he wrote in, you know, German. That makes short-sighted "kurzichtig." Dumb snarky bitch.

Posted by: Whiskey Lima at August 27, 2013 03:12 PM (X+28+)

184 Quit all yer yelling up in here.

Posted by: Muad'Chelsea at August 27, 2013 03:13 PM (PlTXA)

185

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:12 PM (HzhBE)

 

 

orrrr... your are ugly... and bitchy....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 27, 2013 03:14 PM (lZBBB)

186 If women were on top of MT Suribachi on Iwo Jima they'd still be arguing about where to stick it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 03:14 PM (9Xc5j)

187

And what's with men and their limited imaginations? It's like they can only see the world through their little patriarchal lenses. I doubt for ONE SECOND that any of them ever stop to consider that the world could be very different from what we have today if people would just change their attitudes.

BUT NO! I GUESS EVERYONE HAS TO LOOK LIKE A FUCKING BARBIE DOLL, TO GET ANYONE'S ATTENTION, HUH???!!!

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:16 PM (HzhBE)

188 If God had meant for women to talk, he wouldn't have invented blow jobs. Female mouths are only good for two things: 1. Sucking. 2. Barfing up all that food so you don't look so fat, bitch!

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 03:16 PM (+cx5n)

189 I just don't know what to think, anymore.

Posted by: Chlesea Manning-Montana at August 27, 2013 03:16 PM (Dwehj)

190 But I will start by learning to spell my new first name.

Posted by: Chelsea Manning-Montana at August 27, 2013 03:18 PM (Dwehj)

191 Ooops, Ace did it again.

Re: bringing in ice.

Ice maker invented around mid 19th century, (1844 and 1851 according to Wikipedia--I had to look it up)

I guess they COULD have towed in an iceberg and freighted the ice to Philadelphia, but I doubt it.

Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 03:18 PM (OZmbA)

192 Soriano!

Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 03:18 PM (4Tdcj)

193 gee Soriano hits some long long home runs for a skinny guy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 03:18 PM (9Xc5j)

194 In his 1851 polemic On Women, the thinker isolates rationality as the quality peculiar to men; women “are childish, silly and short-sighted, in a word big children.” (Sidebar: “Big children” is two words.)

--In the original German, I would not be surprised if Schopenhauer actually *did* use one word.  Grosskinder?

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:18 PM (bufJH)

195

The whole 'War on Women' thing is completely made-up bullshit.

 

But there really *is* a War on Men going on.

Especially against conservative men.

 

I think it's because Conservative Men are just Hotter.

Liberals know this.

And so they must make war on them.

 

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 03:19 PM (el7k2)

196 I think it may be time for a "that escalated quickly" joke, but on the other hand the thread is kind of slow. Oh, the conflict.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 27, 2013 03:19 PM (qyfb5)

197 When I got pregnant, we were initially kinda hoping for a girl. When the ultrasound showed that L'il Oopsie was undoubtedly all male - he picked his nose and pulled his pud on camera, as it were - a friend shared with me this astute observation: Boys yell, girls shriek. We're very grateful for our son.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at August 27, 2013 03:19 PM (jPn5Y)

198 Be wery wery quiet - we're hunting stupid bints here.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd at August 27, 2013 03:19 PM (ccXZP)

199 Katy Waldman? Lightweight. (By which I mean, she weighs half what I do.)

Posted by: Butthurt chick wearing a "This is what a feminist looks like" t-shirt at August 27, 2013 03:19 PM (GXKTh)

200 War on women my ass. At least not from us older married guys. By year 5 or so, or by the first kid for sure, we all know women are always right and we are always wrong- at least that is what we have to say and with enough sincerity to get by

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 03:20 PM (9Xc5j)

201 Hear me whimper.

Posted by: Chelsea Manning-Montana at August 27, 2013 03:21 PM (Dwehj)

202

>>> Soriano hits some long long home runs for a skinny guy

He generates some incredible bat speed.

Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 03:21 PM (4Tdcj)

203

Men only like beer because it makes them fart and their farts make them feel powerful. It's like this little club they've excluded women from: "Hey listen to this ass-bomb I'm about to drop. This one's gonna be a real daisy cutter!"

Is there any doubt that all this farting is just pretend warfare? Like, "Hey if I can't go bomb some brown people, I can drop some bombs on the brown skid marks in my underwear."

Why is it okay for men to fart and not women? Women need to cease this privilege back from men and start farting everywhere--elevators, work meetings, at the gym--until the playing field is leveled.

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:21 PM (HzhBE)

204 >>>I guess they COULD have towed in an iceberg and freighted the ice to Philadelphia, but I doubt it.

due I'm pretty sure they had ice before ice-makers.

and yeah I think they towed icebergs and then chopped them up.

yup -- "ice harvesting"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration

see I know they have ice because they had ice cream during the French Revolution.

Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 03:22 PM (/IWYB)

205 He generates some incredible bat speed. Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 07:21 PM (4Tdcj) Yup. I always liked him. I was sorry to see him go. Since that trade a-roid has only hit a few more home runs than him also.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 03:22 PM (9Xc5j)

206 When Helen Reddy sang "I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar" she meant like a motorcycle, apparently, not a lioness.

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 03:23 PM (+cx5n)

207 From the very excellent movie 1776 in 1972.

"Sit down John!"
http://youtu.be/DqAdlkJDt7k

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 03:23 PM (NqxXc)

208 198 When I got pregnant, we were initially kinda hoping for a girl. When the ultrasound showed that L'il Oopsie was undoubtedly all male - he picked his nose and pulled his pud on camera, as it were - a friend shared with me this astute observation: Boys yell, girls shriek.

We're very grateful for our son.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at August 27, 2013 07:19 PM (jPn5Y)


--Same here.  I would have loved a girl just as much, but a boy is so fun.  Plus, if we do have a girl she'll have a big brother to watch her.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:23 PM (bufJH)

209 Women also do not seem to understand the concept of wattage. BIG pet peeve.

Posted by: UWP at August 27, 2013 03:24 PM (r98SZ)

210 Fart-whistles.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 03:24 PM (ZshNr)

211

Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:22 PM (/IWYB)

 

The fact that they were able to shut the windows back then in proof of global warming.

Posted by: Al Gore at August 27, 2013 03:24 PM (GaqMa)

212 thomas jefferson's ice-house at monticello

http://www.monticello.org/site/house-and-gardens/ice-house

actually the wikipedia entry on ice-houses is pretty interesting. 


Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 03:24 PM (/IWYB)

213 Kucinich: Striking Syria Will Make U.S. Military ‘Al-Qaeda’s Air Force’ The world is surely all fucked up when I agree with Kucinich? G-D I need a drink

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 03:24 PM (9Xc5j)

214 Ice maker invented around mid 19th century, (1844 and 1851 according to Wikipedia--I had to look it up) They used to cut up ice into blocks in the winter and stored it under sawdust and the like for summer.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 27, 2013 03:24 PM (ZihsD)

215

[Ace:] ..."I'm having a hard time believing that you seal all the windows in the summer in Philadelphia."

 

Maybe it wasn't all that hot in Philadelphia in the summer of 1776.

 

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 03:25 PM (el7k2)

216 The Romans had ice brought from the mountains to cool their palaces.

Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 03:25 PM (sdi6R)

217 Re: bringing in ice.

Ice maker invented around mid 19th century, (1844 and 1851 according to Wikipedia--I had to look it up)

I guess they COULD have towed in an iceberg and freighted the ice to Philadelphia, but I doubt it.

Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 07:18 PM (OZmbA)

---


Those old, dead white men used to cut ice on the rivers when they froze in the winter and store it in specially built ice houses. There's one behind the Governor's Palace in Williamsburg. Now how they got it from Williamsburg to Philadelphia I don't know.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 03:25 PM (Oz+LZ)

218 see I know they have ice because they had ice cream during the French Revolution. But it was flavored with escargot. And blood. But mostly blood.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 03:25 PM (T0NGe)

219

Off Off lying sock.

 

In any case ace, different times. It's possible they just sweat, and it stunk, and they were used to it, because...olden times.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 27, 2013 03:25 PM (GaqMa)

220 I also don't know why it's okay for men to NOT return your multiple phone calls after you've had sex with them. I guess it's like a power thing. Like, "I'm all gonna walk next to you at the Take Back The Night rally and talk about how we need to pass legislation that addresses income inequality between the sexes, and then PUT MY DICK WHEREVER I WANT AND NOT ANSWER MY PHONE THE NEXT DAY!!!!"

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:25 PM (HzhBE)

221 Oh, I see Ace is already on top of the ice thing.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 27, 2013 03:25 PM (ZihsD)

222 IFF ard vew valk if a ock en er outh.

Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 03:26 PM (F2Vrz)

223 The Romans had ice brought from the mountains to cool their palaces. Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (sdi6R) Yeah and your point?

Posted by: Slaves at August 27, 2013 03:26 PM (9Xc5j)

224 201 War on women my ass. At least not from us older married guys. By year 5 or so, or by the first kid for sure, we all know women are always right and we are always wrong- at least that is what we have to say and with enough sincerity to get by

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:20 PM (9Xc5j)


--I'm still stubborn and argumentative with my wife, but it's mainly a show because when I eventually and almost always inevitably cave then it looks like I've made a real concession that I can bring up later.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:26 PM (bufJH)

225 I think the Three Stooges where they are ice delivery guys is my favorite.

Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 03:26 PM (4Tdcj)

226 Our new Hispanic overlords won't be a pussy beta male and TELL you to shut up, ya bint.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 27, 2013 03:26 PM (ecN6u)

227 I suspect that if one were to ask Prochnik's reaction to this criticism, he would say "I have no reaction to that" and go on with what he was doing.

Posted by: Chelsea Null at August 27, 2013 03:26 PM (xjpRj)

228 222 Oh, I see Ace is already on top of the ice thing. Like a layer of hot, hot fudge.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 03:27 PM (T0NGe)

229

Put some ice on it.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at August 27, 2013 03:27 PM (4Tdcj)

230 Saladin brought ices from the mountains in Lebanon and doctors to treat an ill Richard the Lionhearted.

Just saying.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 03:27 PM (NqxXc)

231 The world is surely all fucked up when I agree with Kucinich?

He must be privately loving the hell out of Prez'nit Hannibal and his gang of circus clown misfits. They make him look downright sane, at times.

Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at August 27, 2013 03:28 PM (Dwehj)

232 I got 99 problems, and a feminist Salon writer ain't one.

Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 03:28 PM (MMC8r)

233
Ice maker invented around mid 19th century, (1844 and 1851 according to Wikipedia--I had to look it up)

I guess they COULD have towed in an iceberg and freighted the ice to Philadelphia, but I doubt it.

Posted by: Sphynx

You've never heard of an icehouse before?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 27, 2013 03:28 PM (HJ0MR)

234 Daily reminder: Feminists are worse than The New Black Panther Party.

Posted by: Yep at August 27, 2013 03:28 PM (6sqK6)

235 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration

see I know they have ice because they had ice cream during the French Revolution.






Touche, Robespierre.  And touchy too.

OK, but I think you're applying 21st century sensibility to 18th century people.  Folks now break a sweat and they have to run indoors to get some A/C.

Not so much pre-air conditioning.  Hell, 90 degrees inside with the windows closed was not rare.  So, ice, I doubt.  But I'm willing to accept your hypothesis. Would like to see some historical references.

Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 03:28 PM (OZmbA)

236

How can you look at an industrial smokestack polluting the pristine sky with its filth and  fail to understand that it's a DELIBERATE metaphor for the subjugation of women through penetration.

It's no coincidence that all the turn of the century industrialists were male.

 

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:29 PM (HzhBE)

237 De-lurking. I am just so damn tired of these people who are so obsessed with their little hobby horses of perceived oppression that they must absolutely find something with which to take offense in Every. Single. Thing. Ever. It is old, and stupid, and lazy, and hella tiring.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 27, 2013 03:29 PM (qFpRI)

238 yup -- "ice harvesting"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration

see I know they have ice because they had ice cream during the French Revolution.

Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:22 PM (/IWYB)


--I recall an old article in National Geographic showing remote villages in India burying big chunks of ice to use later.  I can't recall whether it was in the north where they could get it naturally from a glacier nearby.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:29 PM (bufJH)

239 Whoshe a shmart girl? Youshe a shmart girl! Yesh you are! Yesh you are!
Woof! Woof!

Posted by: stupid feminist bitch -- guess which type? at August 27, 2013 03:29 PM (uH46F)

240 Eh. Boys and girls pretty much even out on the noise factor as far as I can tell. Two daughters. Two sons. One loudmouth daughter, one loudmouth son. One churchmouse of each gender. My husband is the talker, music blarer, etc. It works.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Stinky Sockpuppets at August 27, 2013 03:30 PM (GmTxn)

241 Damn!  Petite snagged that one!

Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 03:30 PM (4Tdcj)

242 >>>You've never heard of an icehouse before?

I know of them because of gangster movies.

In a 30s movie, you sometimes see an ice-house.

I love ice houses, and I love COLD STORAGE. in any port you see big signs for that.

just great combinations of words.

Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 03:30 PM (/IWYB)

243 216 Maybe it wasn't all that hot in Philadelphia in the summer of 1776. Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (el7k2) SEE??? SEE???

Posted by: Al Gore at August 27, 2013 03:30 PM (sdi6R)

244

 I can't recall whether it was in the north where they could get it naturally from a glacier nearby.

 

 

Not anymore they can't!

Posted by: Al Gore at August 27, 2013 03:30 PM (4Tdcj)

245


WOMEN ARE CONSTANTLY BEING KILLED AND DESTROYED EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY BY MEN ALL THE TIME!!!



Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at August 27, 2013 03:31 PM (HQml1)

246 Drudge has the lead picture of a drone on a US Carrier? I guess no one told him obama has not sent a Carrier to the Med

Posted by: Slaves at August 27, 2013 03:31 PM (9Xc5j)

247 George Washington had an icehouse at Mt. Vernon.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 27, 2013 03:31 PM (HJ0MR)

248 240 Best comment eva.

Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 03:31 PM (F2Vrz)

249 >>>--I recall an old article in National Geographic showing remote villages in India burying big chunks of ice to use later. I can't recall whether it was in the north where they could get it naturally from a glacier nearby.

yeah. I thought icehouses were fed from sea-harvested ice but it was mostly ice collected locally during the winter and deposited in the ice house.

as I read about ice houses, it's mostly that, though sea harvesting becomes more important later on.

Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 03:31 PM (/IWYB)

250 ICEHOUSE Icehouse lyrics It's always cold inside the icehouse Though the rivers never freeze There's a girl outside the icehouse I can see her clearly though the trees And now she's dreaming of a new love And she hopes he'll be there soon But she's got so long to wait for him Because he needs another year to get there There's no love inside the icehouse The devil lives inside the icehouse At least that's what the old ones say He came along time ago He came here in the winter snow Bow it's colder every day But she's still dreaming through the summer And she's hoping through the spring She says she's got no time for winter nights She doesn't notice as the days grow colder She can't remember getting any older There's no love inside the icehouse And now she's dreaming of a new love And she hopes he'll be there soon She says she's got no time for winter nights She doesn't notice as the days grow colder She can't remember getting any older There's no love inside the icehouse There's no love inside the icehouse The icehouse.

Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 03:31 PM (r2PLg)

251 That is, I'm doubting ice was used in Philly at the time to cool off the conferees.  Yes, ice house, stored in sawdust. Yes, expensive ice from ice bergs for expensive tastes. Ice for cooling off a room?  Nah.

Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 03:31 PM (OZmbA)

252 The X-47B carrier trials happened a few months ago.  Guess someone is dialing it in.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 03:32 PM (NqxXc)

253 see I know they have ice because they had ice cream during the French Revolution. Posted by: ace I once read an entire book about the early history of ice in human households -- apparently it was the rise of (believe it or not) cocktail culture which drove the need for more and easier ice in the summer months, especially in New York. In the early/mid 19th century, only the rich people of NY could afford shipped-in ice, and impressed guests with chilled alcoholic drinks on hot day. As more and more people aspired to climb the social ladder from lower class to middle-class to upper-middle class and so on, being able to show off with drinks "on the rocks" became an important social marker. Whereas in the 18th century and earlier no one really cared about or fantasized about having ice, by the mid 19th century here was a huge demand for a very limited resource (ice). It was this demand that led to the development of the first refrigeration units (which were mechanical -- no electricity!) based on the already-known principle of gas expansion causing a decrease in temperature.

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 03:32 PM (+cx5n)

254 232 The world is surely all fucked up when I agree with Kucinich?

He must be privately loving the hell out of Prez'nit Hannibal and his gang of circus clown misfits. They make him look downright sane, at times.

Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at August 27, 2013 07:28 PM (Dwehj)


--Does he still have his ginger to keep him warm too?  Or did she bolt when he left office?

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:32 PM (bufJH)

255

Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:30 PM (/IWYB)

 

'Round these parts we have "spring houses." actually where you can.

 

Little shacks built directly on a spring area.  That water comes out really cold, and keeps things nicely chilled.

The higher you hang (or in the water if needed) the colder it gets.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 27, 2013 03:32 PM (GaqMa)

256 OT, but I just realized that "Whore Cyrus" sounds a lot like "Osiris", the Egyptian birdheaded god of something or other.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at August 27, 2013 03:32 PM (TSf9W)

257

PMS! Right? Why isn't there any equivalent diagnosis for men? Which male doctor is responsible for that oversight? I guess all the guys sitting around coming up with medical conditions were too busy farting, belching and complimenting each other for having penises to think of one.

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:32 PM (HzhBE)

258 Has anyone seen Chelsea'doh lately?

Posted by: Muad'Chelsea at August 27, 2013 03:33 PM (PlTXA)

259
Lake Ice >> Sea Ice

Commonly harvested back in the day and put into storage..

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 03:34 PM (kdS6q)

260 "Who the fuck makes a mojito without ice?"

Posted by: overheard at Independence Hall at August 27, 2013 03:34 PM (ZihsD)

261
Not so much pre-air conditioning. Hell, 90 degrees inside with the windows closed was not rare. So, ice, I doubt. But I'm willing to accept your hypothesis. Would like to see some historical references.

Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 07:28 PM (OZmbA)


--People also have a higher tolerance for B.O. under those conditions.  Like Jamie Foxx said in his hilarious Africa routine, there's a whole new level of funk there that Americans do not know until they get there.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:35 PM (bufJH)

262 It's like they're so proud when they can write their names in the snow. And then they're too drunk to get it up afterward and won't even go down on you to satisfy your needs because, ewww stinky woman crotch. As if the NATURAL smell of my body is somehow offensive!

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:35 PM (HzhBE)

263 Commonly harvested back in the day and put into storage.. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 07:34 PM (kdS6q) I worked accross the street from Miller Brewing in Milwaukee and they have a whole string of caves that they used to store Ice in from lake Micigan back in the day. If you are ever in the neighborhood, take a tour, It is worth your time.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 03:35 PM (XIxXP)

264 Osiris, the husband of Isis, was killed by his brother Set.  Osiris descended into the Underworld.  Isis and her allies searched all of Egypt and beyond to find all of Osiris' body parts, save the penis, they recovered all of them.  Isis sewed her husband back together and resurrected him.  This is why the Pharaohs and the Book of the Dead talked of Osiris, he became the Lord of the Underworld.

As for bird headed god, the god of Wisdom Toth was usually depicted with an Ibis head.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 03:36 PM (NqxXc)

265

Okay...I just did a little checking.

 

The Little Ice Age was still going on in 1776.

It lasted until 1870.

 

Temps were lower in the early 1700's...and had begun to gradually warm.

But they were still cooler in 1776 than what we consider 'normal' today.

 

And...suck it, Al Gore.

 

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 03:36 PM (el7k2)

266 "Who the fuck makes a mojito without ice?"

Posted by: overheard at Independence Hall

No idea why but that is the funniest thing I've read on this blog.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 27, 2013 03:37 PM (HJ0MR)

267 208 From the very excellent movie 1776 in 1972. 
"Sit down John!" http://youtu.be/DqAdlkJDt7k 

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 07:23 PM (NqxXc)


Fun rant.   Was utterly blindsided by the break out into song and dance.   

Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 03:37 PM (oY6Yp)

268

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:35 PM (XIxXP)

 

Oddly.

The cave system, no longer on the list of things you tour at the Budweiser plant in StL.

I'm fairly certain it's in it's original location, but to be honesty everything got all move-y around here in the early 1900s.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 27, 2013 03:37 PM (GaqMa)

269

And by the way, I WOULD go to the gym and get in better shape, but it's not like I can do that without being ogled every two seconds by some creep, so I guess I'll just have to live with being 40lbs overweight because of men and their penis-centric thinking and the women who are weak willed and don't mind getting ogled will have the gym all to themselves to stay nice and firm and fit.

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:37 PM (HzhBE)

270 How long does it take to grow ice after it's planted?

Posted by: Low Information Voter at August 27, 2013 03:38 PM (Dwehj)

271 226 I think the Three Stooges where they are ice delivery guys is my favorite.Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 07:26 PM (4Tdcj)
Specially the part where Curly transports a big block of ice up a long staircase. When he gets to the top it is a small ice cube.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 27, 2013 03:38 PM (JsN1O)

272
Nobody watched the show for Carrie.

Posted by: Samantha at August 27, 2013 06:18 PM (Aif/5)









Sez you. That filly is hawt.

Posted by: Mr Ed at August 27, 2013 03:38 PM (TIIx5)

273 262 --People also have a higher tolerance for B.O. under those conditions. Like Jamie Foxx said in his hilarious Africa routine, there's a whole new level of funk there that Americans do not know until they get there. Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:35 PM (bufJH) Also, city streets were covered with horse manure back then. I guess people had a higher tolerance for stench, since they had little choice. I've heard of European aristocrats of the period holding perfumed handkerchiefs to their noses. I don't know whether that was done in colonial America or not.

Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 03:38 PM (sdi6R)

274 And now she's dreaming of a new love
And she hopes he'll be there soon
She says she's got no time for winter nights
She doesn't notice as the days grow colder
She can't remember getting any older
There's no love inside the icehouse
There's no love inside the icehouse
The icehouse.

Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 07:31 PM (r2PLg)


--I thought for sure we were in for some '80s:


http://youtu.be/YMQwRL0EzW0


Serious Aussie mullet action.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:38 PM (bufJH)

275 How long does it take to grow ice after it's planted? Posted by: Low Information Voter at August 27, 2013 07:38 PM (Dwehj) Depends on the water content.

Posted by: Know it all LIV at August 27, 2013 03:39 PM (XIxXP)

276 Why aren't TVs shaped like vaginas anyway? Too scary for the men with their ball scratching and sports watching, I guess.

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:39 PM (HzhBE)

277 Fun rant. Was utterly blindsided by the break out into song and dance.

Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 07:37 PM (oY6Yp)


---


Worth watching the whole movie. And another funny bit is Mrs. Jefferson's "He Play The Violin."


'Don't worry John, the history books will clean it up."

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 03:40 PM (Oz+LZ)

278 "...he should retreat to a highbrow man cave and let the rest of us live in and contribute to the sound of the world around us."

Oh, sh*t. I think she's onto us. The blaring cable HDTV and stereo we're using to hide all the silence we're enjoying isn't working. She's still hearing all of our silence anyway.

Posted by: Man Caver at August 27, 2013 03:40 PM (eHIJJ)

279 I'm not ashamed of my inverted nipples. I CELEBRATE them.

Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 03:41 PM (HzhBE)

280 In the early/mid 19th century, only the rich people of NY could afford shipped-in ice, and impressed guests with chilled alcoholic drinks on hot day. As more and more people aspired to climb the social ladder from lower class to middle-class to upper-middle class and so on, being able to show off with drinks "on the rocks" became an important social marker. Whereas in the 18th century and earlier no one really cared about or fantasized about having ice, by the mid 19th century here was a huge demand for a very limited resource (ice).

It was this demand that led to the development of the first refrigeration units (which were mechanical -- no electricity!) based on the already-known principle of gas expansion causing a decrease in temperature.

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (+cx5n)


--Interesting stuff.  I would also wager that the collective American acquisition of a taste for cold beer was parallel to those trends.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:41 PM (bufJH)

281 The legend is wrong: It's not that they nailed shut the windows of Independence Hall -- they merely nailed shut the mouths of the wenches chattering away incessantly on the street outside! Much more efficient that way.

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 03:42 PM (+cx5n)

282 Yeah....yeah...okay, but I've been working on this cancer thing... No...no. Of course, I want to hear what that , uh, bitch, Susan did today...yeah... But, I think I've found the answer- No. Oh no way, honey. Of course, you're more importan- Well, it'll only take a second. If you'd just give me a minute here to write down... No, Just a second or two, I promise. You know, while it's still fresh in- Uh huh....uh huh....she took your yoghurt... .... ...and now it's gone.

Posted by: The Guy Who Almost Cured Cancer at August 27, 2013 03:42 PM (ZR4Xh)

283 I'm still wretching over the sight of Miley Cyrus and her contorted tongue face.

Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 03:42 PM (OZmbA)

284   Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (+cx5n) 

--Interesting stuff. I would also wager that the collective American acquisition of a taste for cold beer was parallel to those trends. 

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:41 PM (bufJH)

This blog is too edumucational to quit.  

Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 03:42 PM (oY6Yp)

285 In the olden times, ice was used much like money and was often used to purchase "ladies of dubious reputation" and wooden condoms which were the fashion at the time.

Posted by: Ron Burgundy at August 27, 2013 03:42 PM (v1mq9)

286 Ouch.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 03:43 PM (Oz+LZ)

287 Is Drudge playing games with us? First it's an F-14, which were all gone a while ago. Now it's that carrier-test UAV ('drone') whatever it's called. It's almost as bad as the Mainstream Media showing us pictures of Romanian aircraft carriers. Unless it's intentional.

Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 03:44 PM (o+SC1)

288 266 Okay...I just did a little checking.

The Little Ice Age was still going on in 1776.
It lasted until 1870.

Temps were lower in the early 1700's...and had begun to gradually warm.
But they were still cooler in 1776 than what we consider 'normal' today.

And...suck it, Al Gore.

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:36 PM (el7k2)


--I think the beginning of the Little Ice Age was what nearly wiped out Jamestown, VA.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:44 PM (bufJH)

289 Ouch. Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 07:43 PM (Oz+LZ) Explains the phrase sporting wood.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 03:44 PM (XIxXP)

290 Wooden condoms? Were they free?

Posted by: Sandra Flook at August 27, 2013 03:44 PM (Dwehj)

291 Unless it's intentional. If the next pic is Eugene Ely in a Curtiss, we'll know he's screwing with us.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 27, 2013 03:46 PM (ZihsD)

292 @286 - What, I could buy women AND bamboo dorks for ICE? Man, if I could just get a portable fridge into a time machine I'd be SO set...

Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 03:46 PM (o+SC1)

293 Ice was harvested out of lakes in large cubes and stored in an insulated ice house. It was then used in an icebox, the forerunner of the refrigerator.

Posted by: Ronster at August 27, 2013 03:46 PM (ol1e8)

294 Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:41 PM (HzhBE) There is a string sticking out of your shorts.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 03:46 PM (XIxXP)

295 >>>It was this demand that led to the development of the first refrigeration units (which were mechanical -- no electricity!) based on the already-known principle of gas expansion causing a decrease in temperature.

if I can step in and One Up you, Zombie, I just read that ol' Ben Franklin did some of the early work in demonstrating the principle of cooling via the forced expansion of gas.

+1 to me, ball is in your court.


Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 03:46 PM (/IWYB)

296 Explains the phrase sporting wood.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:44 PM (XIxXP)


Well played.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 03:46 PM (Oz+LZ)

297 They also hold ridiculous grudges. First time my wife made meatloaf she asked me how it was. Being 24 and stupid, I had decided to be honest and said, well, all you did was bake hamburger, and no other ingredient. It tastes like baked hamburger, it's not meatloaf per-se. Was reminded of that cruel remark for about 5 years.

Posted by: UWP at August 27, 2013 03:46 PM (r98SZ)

298 Man, if I could just get a portable fridge into a time machine I'd be SO set... Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (o+SC1) Better throw in a portable Nuclear Power plant.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 03:46 PM (XIxXP)

299 Another one for Soriano!

Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 03:47 PM (4Tdcj)

300 195 /grandchildren 19th Century had its share of great women. During the 19th Century, only women of cultivated family were granted any education or training in profession. Clara Wieck Schumann, for instance. But society denied women equal standing to vote -- US vote "granted" women in 1920, awfully late. And in high society, it wasn't just the women who played the lame brains, any aristocrat had that "right". The Great Gatsby leading lady was matched by her idiotic hypocritical husband. The whole patriarchal ownership of wife/wives still held for the "greatest generation" -- women could work men's jobs until the men came home. Then, back to the kitchen, cleaning ladies, receptionist, hospital nurse, or school teacher. But things definitely changed during the 1960s. Joni Mitchell did a good job talking about that era.

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 27, 2013 03:47 PM (MhA4j)

301 In my most quiet times I think of great music. Sometimes, however, I disturb my quiet with rounds of cannon.

But most of the time it's music. And heaving bodices. Bringing me a sammich.

Posted by: Zombie Beethoven at August 27, 2013 03:47 PM (eHIJJ)

302 >>> It was then used in an icebox, the forerunner of the refrigerator.

that much I knew, and you can see the shift in technology between older people and younger people there.  Older people continued to call "the freezer" the "ice box."

For that reason. What used to be on top of the refrigerator was a big ol' block of ice.


Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 03:47 PM (/IWYB)

303 +1 to me, ball is in your court.


Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (/IWYB)


Bet that's made of wood, too.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 03:47 PM (Oz+LZ)

304 @292 - or we'll know he reads AoSHQ comments. I'd vote for Langley's Aerodrome.

Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 03:48 PM (o+SC1)

305 295 Maybe it's a rip cord. Yank on it and see if a parachute opens.

Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 03:49 PM (F2Vrz)

306 @299 - A generator and a hundred gallons of diesel and I'd die with a grin on my face.

Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 03:49 PM (o+SC1)

307 Maybe it's a rip cord. Yank on it and see if a parachute opens. Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 07:49 PM (F2Vrz) Go ahead, I'll hold your coat.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 03:49 PM (XIxXP)

308 War and Peace and Quiet was this really long novel written by Leo Tolstoy. Well, the editors thought the TITLE was too long, and so "and Quiet" had to go, because they thought that was obvious. See, Slate writers just don't know as much as they think they do.

Posted by: Reader Chelsea J. Burch writes more nonsense...... at August 27, 2013 03:50 PM (v6hyJ)

309
Also, city streets were covered with horse manure back then. I guess people had a higher tolerance for stench, since they had little choice.

I've heard of European aristocrats of the period holding perfumed handkerchiefs to their noses. I don't know whether that was done in colonial America or not.

Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 07:38 PM (sdi6R)


--In Africa it's more people using the streets as a latrine.  I'll never forget one of the first things I saw when we were going from the airport into Dar Es Salaam, a dude in braod daylight with no cover whizzing on the side of a building.  He didn't even look homeless; he was just a normal guy.  We were not in Kansas, uh, Boston anymore.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:50 PM (bufJH)

310 How do you piss off an Inuit?
Kick him in the ice hole.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at August 27, 2013 03:51 PM (uH46F)

311 How do you piss off an Inuit? Kick him in the ice hole. Posted by: andycanuck at August 27, 2013 07:51 PM (uH46F) LOL, That was so dumb.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 03:51 PM (XIxXP)

312 308 Right. I get the point. Maybe I'll just poke it with a stick..........and run.

Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 03:52 PM (F2Vrz)

313 @310 - a dude in broad daylight whizzing on the side of a building? You think that's unusual? Haven't been to San Francisco since 1980, have you?

Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 03:52 PM (o+SC1)

314

289--I think the beginning of the Little Ice Age was what nearly wiped out Jamestown, VA.

 

It was worse in the 1600's.

The whole Northern Hemisphere was suffering...there were even a couple of summers where it was too cold to grow much of anything.

 

But the Little Ice Age began back in the 1300's.

There were peaks and dips in the temperature levels, periods of gradual warming...then it would get cold again for a while.

 

It's been attributed to lack of Sun Spots + volcanic activity.

We've had a steady increase in solar activity since the late 1700's...which has resulted in gradual warming.


 

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 03:52 PM (el7k2)

315 282 The legend is wrong:

It's not that they nailed shut the windows of Independence Hall -- they merely nailed shut the mouths of the wenches chattering away incessantly on the street outside! Much more efficient that way.

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:42 PM (+cx5n)


Dolly's a hottie, but damn can she talke thine aff off.

Posted by: James Madison at August 27, 2013 03:53 PM (bufJH)

316 True story: I am not that old, but I'm old enough (and had old enough parents) they when I was growing up, they referred to that big food-cooling rectangle in the kitchen as "the ice box." Of course, it was in reality a "refrigerator," but both of them had grown up in poor areas with actual ice boxes in their homes, and had never stopped using the term, even when refrigerators became commonplace and actual ice boxes were phased out. As a result, I grew up myself using the term "ice box," even though I had never seen an actual ice box. I didn't even learn the word "refrigerator" until I was practically a teenager. And to this day, in unguarded moments, I will still call it an "ice box" unconsciously, like "Put the milk back in the ice box so it doesn't spoil." Words one learns as a child are hard to uproot.

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 03:53 PM (+cx5n)

317 In Soviet Russia iceholes kick you!

Posted by: Yakov Smirnoff at August 27, 2013 03:53 PM (eHIJJ)

318 The expected U.S. missile strike against Syria will be aimed at forces linked to chemical weapons as well as broader military targets, according to military officials and defense analysts. Broad command and control and artillery and missile launchers, which can fire conventional or chemical weapons, will likely be targeted, analysts said. The Pentagon will probably avoid targeting stockpiles, which could send toxic gases into the air and cause civilian casualties. “We don’t want to hit actual chemical weapons because of the dangers,” yeah leave homicidal maniacs with WMDs. I mean what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Slaves at August 27, 2013 03:54 PM (9Xc5j)

319 We've had a steady increase in solar activity since the late 1700's...which has resulted in gradual warming.

Blasphemy!!11!!

Posted by: AlGore at August 27, 2013 03:54 PM (Dwehj)

320 Opps SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 03:54 PM (9Xc5j)

321

 

There's an evolutionary reason why men go deaf at a younger age than women.

 

In other news, a MWAG was seen running around the White House Grounds today.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 27, 2013 03:54 PM (1Y+hH)

322 Words one learns as a child are hard to uproot. Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:53 PM (+cx5n) That's awesome. I like stuff like that. My kids havn't lived in WI for 6 years but they still call the water fountain a Bubbler.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 03:54 PM (XIxXP)

323 What do all abused women have in common? They just never know when to shut up. I think someone told her that joke and she took it seriously.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at August 27, 2013 03:54 PM (pyh5u)

324 >>>
--In Africa it's more people using the streets as a latrine.

historically streets were latrines and in fact sewers.

Until fairly recently, city streets had open sewers running through their middles, with shit and piss floating along as stinky as you please.

it was only between 1750 and 1850 that big cities began doing the serious construction to dig and bury underground sewers.

Another interesting thing about some city development and sewers: London expanded up-river, up-Thames, with wealthy new suburbs springing up on that side of the city, and the downriver sides getting poorer.

This was largely a function of sewage flow.  Go up river, the water is cleaner, it stinks less.  Go down river, teh water is filthier, and it stinks more


Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 03:55 PM (/IWYB)

325 Posted by: panzernashorn


In the 20th century, women finally perfected the sandwich-making and house cleaning arts, thereby freeing up time to satisfy their men in other ways such as foot massage and mouth-love.

Posted by: Ron Burgundy at August 27, 2013 03:56 PM (v1mq9)

326 It's about the witching hour in Syria right now. No booms tonight means they got a 24 hour reprieve. Couple hours still to go, though.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 03:57 PM (ZshNr)

327 So.   When I'm driving and trying to find a place I haven't been before and I turn the radio down so I can concentrate, it's because I'm being oppressed by the patriarchy?


I'm going with no.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team SMOD at August 27, 2013 03:57 PM (Gk3SS)

328

 

"We are going to strike but we   will  only  fire   bottle   rockets  and   wave     sparklers to send a message."

 

The message is;  we're idiots.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 27, 2013 03:58 PM (1Y+hH)

329 No shit, Ace?
;^)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at August 27, 2013 03:58 PM (uH46F)

330 >>Words one learns as a child are hard to uproot. I hear ya. That's how I learned the word bastard.

Posted by: Miley Cyrus' Foam Finger at August 27, 2013 03:58 PM (g1DWB)

331 And to this day, in unguarded moments, I will still call it an "ice box" I do the same thing.

Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 03:58 PM (MMC8r)

332 314 @310 - a dude in broad daylight whizzing on the side of a building?

You think that's unusual?

Haven't been to San Francisco since 1980, have you?

Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:52 PM (o+SC1)



--Oh yeah, but I'm not talking about feral homeless people, just Average Joe.  There was one time I saw a dude (again, not apparently homeless, just someone apparently commuting) go around a corner and just pee in the underground part of the Harvard Square T station where the electric buses stop.  I guess he couldn't hold it any longer while waiting for his bus.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 03:59 PM (bufJH)

333 Republicans always be pissing when democrats come out to bathe in river!!!

Posted by: the democrat klan at August 27, 2013 03:59 PM (uH46F)

334 Off stinky foam digit.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 27, 2013 03:59 PM (g1DWB)

335 @329 - yeah, that's the question. We shoot off half the Navy's Tomahawk inventory, and achieve bupkus for it. What next?

Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 03:59 PM (o+SC1)

336 It's about the witching hour in Syria right now. No booms tonight means they got a 24 hour reprieve. Couple hours still to go, though. Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 07:57 PM (ZshNr) obama is still dithering. the brits parliament has not met, the ruskies are probably threatening obama, and the us opinion polls are against it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 04:00 PM (9Xc5j)

337

"No booms tonight means they got a 24 hour reprieve."

 

The Royal Family has some kind of celebration tomorrow so I think we are looking at Thursday....

Posted by: Meremortal at August 27, 2013 04:00 PM (1Y+hH)

338 We shoot off half the Navy's Tomahawk inventory, and achieve bupkus for it. What next? Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:59 PM (o+SC1) Go to a 9 or less Carrier Navy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 04:01 PM (9Xc5j)

339
Another interesting thing about some city development and sewers: London expanded up-river, up-Thames, with wealthy new suburbs springing up on that side of the city, and the downriver sides getting poorer.

This was largely a function of sewage flow. Go up river, the water is cleaner, it stinks less. Go down river, teh water is filthier, and it stinks more


Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:55 PM (/IWYB)

That reminds me:

http://youtu.be/5B74WPxZGfw

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 04:02 PM (bufJH)

340 Ace knows his shit.

Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 04:02 PM (4Tdcj)

341 it was only between 1750 and 1850 that big cities began doing the serious construction to dig and bury underground sewers.

Posted by: ace

The giant stone spheres Parisians used to clear out the sewers was the inspiration for the famous Raiders of the Lost Ark opening action scene.

#TriviaWar
#notreally

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 27, 2013 04:02 PM (HJ0MR)

342 if I can step in and One Up you, Zombie, I just read that ol' Ben Franklin did some of the early work in demonstrating the principle of cooling via the forced expansion of gas. +1 to me, ball is in your court. Posted by: ace True, so very true. Ben was a real and valid scientist. But he was not an industrialist. He merely helped discover the principle of artificial refrigeration. It was many decades later that engineers began development refrigerating machines that could be mass-produced, and thereby impact society (which is what I was referring to). The real problem in fact was miniaturization. The first "refrigerators" were gigantic and could only be used in ice-making factories on a large scale--the ice produced therein replacing the imported river ice or mountain ice or Arctic ice, and which was still transported in blocks to ice boxes in private homes. The real breakthrough came when (little by little, with no single inventor being personally responsible) they finally began to shrink the size of refrigeration units so that they could be installed in individual homes -- what we would today call a "refrigerator." In fact, refrigerators are one of the very few inventions that have no single person identified as "the" inventor -- it took dozens of people many decades to make it happen.

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 04:03 PM (+cx5n)

343 "Put the milk back in the ice box so it doesn't spoil." Words one learns as a child are hard to uproot.

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:53 PM (+cx5n)


A couple of my father's aunts called them ice boxes all the years I knew them. The upscale houses had the boxes built into the back wall of the house, and had a door on the outside so the ice man could put a fresh block of ice in.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 04:03 PM (Oz+LZ)

344

Come on, Ace, you know this.   Don't act so surprised.   Isn't this Creative Writing 101?   Create conflict, then resolve it.  There ain't a reality show on the tube, opinion show or talk radio that doesn't use this technique. Get two assholes together and they each argue one corner. Fans of either position get to root for their hero.

Posted by: Pooter Hound at August 27, 2013 04:03 PM (srg5s)

345 OT: Fairfield CA, the little town adjacent to Travis AFB, where I live, has a bad fire that started along I-80 and so far has burned 5 homes. People are being evacuated.

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 27, 2013 04:04 PM (RLdcX)

346 Whatevs, I'm starting a twerking weight-loss class.  I'll reel in dozens/hundreds of wimmins and we'll twerk our asses off.

I'll charge $100 per session per idiot.

Now, I just need to learn how the hell to "twerk."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 27, 2013 04:04 PM (lVPtV)

347 IF the bad guy is keyed up for a midnight strike.  Well wait a few more hours.  The tension bleeds off, so does the coffee, so their attention starts slipping, and then *bam*  And its no Land Shark with a Candygram.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 04:04 PM (NqxXc)

348 @319 All the signs point to a strike against Syria.
1. Iran says it will retaliate for its ally against Israel.
2. Expert: "As things stand, developments will play into Moscow's hands."
So, Israel loses. Russia gains/U.S. loses.
Perfect!
That's the Ogabe agenda in a nutshell.

Posted by: Cretin, tallied "like pure hydro" moron in the masterpiece "Waterworld" (1995) at August 27, 2013 04:05 PM (jYZuY)

349 "93 I encourage all feminysts to live every day without the contributions of white men.

Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 06:41 PM (MMC8r)"



Camille Paglia wrote in Sexual Personae that if it weren't for patriarchy, humans would still be in living in grass huts. The years since its publication have convinced me Paglia was overly optimistic.


The reason I have a love-hate relationship with technology and science is that I know to a certainty that the people who complain the loudest about "society" are the ones who are alive only because of how easy life is because of that same technology and science.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at August 27, 2013 04:05 PM (gtJYA)

350 The wind is not helping, bad gusts

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 27, 2013 04:05 PM (RLdcX)

351 The giant stone spheres Parisians used to clear out the sewers was the inspiration for the famous Raiders of the Lost Ark opening action scene.

#TriviaWar
#notreally

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 27, 2013 08:02 PM (HJ0MR)


--and they flushed the alligators to eat whatever survived the boulders.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 04:06 PM (bufJH)

352 "Twerkin' USA" - The Beach Boys (1966)

Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 04:07 PM (4Tdcj)

353 >>>In fact, refrigerators are one of the very few inventions that have no single person identified as "the" inventor -- it took dozens of people many decades to make it happen.<<<

That's only because Doc Brown had sweet, sweet, country schoolhouse poonanny on the brain.

Posted by: Fritz at August 27, 2013 04:07 PM (KIHQS)

354 It's 3 am. Do you know where your colonels are?

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 27, 2013 04:08 PM (ZihsD)

355 "102 Virginia Woolf is rolling in her grave

Posted by: weew at August 27, 2013 06:44 PM (2yhel)"



I'm not afraid of her.

Posted by: Martha the drunken slut at August 27, 2013 04:08 PM (31Nrp)

356 Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:59 PM (o+SC1) Fewer weapons in the hands of the evil USA Armed Forces can only be conducive to world peace!

Posted by: Barky Ochoomba I at August 27, 2013 04:09 PM (XdnQT)

357 Maybe it wasn't all that hot in Philadelphia in the summer of1776. Pretty sure it was, although that may be based on the musical. However, the constitutional convention was in 1787. Contemporary records (see link in nick) indicate it was hot.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 27, 2013 04:10 PM (CeNUw)

358 It's now a 7 alarm fire

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 27, 2013 04:10 PM (RLdcX)

359 If one lived out in the sticks and was lucky enough to have a pond on their property, they would harvest their own ice rather than drive 30 miles to town and buy blocks of ice. My grandfather had an ice house on his property. They used straw from the wheat harvest to insulate it. I've seen the ice saws used to cut the blocks of ice. Some were pulled by a horse.

Posted by: Ronster at August 27, 2013 04:11 PM (ol1e8)

360 Lebanon, Egypt, now Syria. All border Israel. All involve the US empowering radical muslims whose self stated purpose is to kill all the Jews in the world. Telegram. Telegram for the King of Jordan. I say, telegram ....

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at August 27, 2013 04:11 PM (yL0v8)

361 356 I'm just saying... Virginia Woolf made a very eloquent case for a Room Of One's Own, in which a woman can have the privacy and QUIET in which to properly write. Modern liberals don't even understand their own heroes any more.

Posted by: weew at August 27, 2013 04:12 PM (2yhel)

362 Now 7 homes burned

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 27, 2013 04:12 PM (RLdcX)

363

WHAT DO WE WANT?

"Time Machines!"

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

"It's Irrelevant!"

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at August 27, 2013 04:12 PM (jucos)

364 Another interesting thing about some city development and sewers: London expanded up-river, up-Thames, with wealthy new suburbs springing up on that side of the city, and the downriver sides getting poorer. This was largely a function of sewage flow. Go up river, the water is cleaner, it stinks less. Go down river, teh water is filthier, and it stinks more Posted by: ace Which was also influenced/driven by the discovery of how cholera spread during the London Outbreak of 1854. If you didn't channel the sewage away from your drinking supply (wells and springs), you'd get invisible bugs in the water.

Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 04:13 PM (L9AnB)

365 it was only between 1750 and 1850 that big cities began doing the serious construction to dig and bury underground sewers.

Albany NY was one of the first.  It started there when the Dutch were still in control of the area. 

There were sections of the old Dutch sewer system still in active use on State St. until just a few years ago.

The system, which proved incredibly durable, was made from oak timbers with slate slabs on top and bottom, sealed with pitch.

If a modern day plumber needed to tap in, they just drilled a hole in the oak timber and shoved their PVC pipe in.

Posted by: Chelsea Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 27, 2013 04:13 PM (2BHYC)

366 Holy shit, how could I forget this classic '90s clip on the subject?

http://youtu.be/2nQQcNmW01U


Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 04:13 PM (bufJH)

367 I've seen the ice saws used to cut the blocks of ice. Some were pulled by a horse.

Posted by: Ronster at August 27, 2013 08:11 PM (ol1e


If you hunt around on Shorpy, you can find pictures of them.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 04:13 PM (Oz+LZ)

368 Has she applied for a job at MNBC yet? Her and Shaprten could have a pretty good conversation in the lil boys room.

Posted by: SkyWatch at August 27, 2013 04:14 PM (la5zl)

369 314 @310 - a dude in broad daylight whizzing on the side of a building? You think that's unusual? Haven't been to San Francisco since 1980, have you? Posted by: JEM You can say that again! Public urination is now commonplace in San Francisco -- especially in the Tenderloin neighborhood, which absolutely REEKS of urine. Just yesterday, in fact, I was at the corner of Mason and Turk, right next to Market, and a bum just whipped out his dick from his greasy pants and peed directly on the sidewalk -- not even against a building or anything. This was at 1pm, not in the middle of the night, either. I've seen such behavior so often now that it has ceased to become even noteworthy any more. Same thing happens in certain parts of the Mission District, too. Along Folsom Street, however, piss is a precious resource, and is usually reserved for mouths, legs or faces, and not squandered on sidewalks. (And no, I only wish I was joking about this last detail: http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/IMG_4020.JPG)

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 04:15 PM (+cx5n)

370 Hey, you got chocolate in my peanut butter (Sidebar: peanutbutter = two words).

Posted by: Chelsea Waldman at August 27, 2013 04:15 PM (bUmSq)

371 Finally, new thread.

Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 04:15 PM (oY6Yp)

372 344 The upscale houses had the boxes built into the back wall of the house, and had a door on the outside so the ice man could put a fresh block of ice in. Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 08:03 PM (Oz+LZ) I've heard of that, although I'm too young to actually remember it. I am old enough to remember an insulated metal "milk box" on the front porch, where the "milk man" in his "milk truck" would make regular deliveries.

Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 04:15 PM (sdi6R)

373 (And no, I only wish I was joking about this last detail: http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/IMG_4020.JPG)

Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 08:15 PM (+cx5n)


--With all sincere respect, zombie, I am *not* going to click there.

Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 04:19 PM (bufJH)

374

358...the constitutional convention was in 1787. Contemporary records (see link in nick) indicate it was hot.

 

Yeah, the delegates were complaining about the heat.

But they had been growing up in much cooler temps, so to them, it probably seemed 'hot'.

 

I still haven't been able to find any actual temp records for that time period, for here in the US.

The ones in Europe show that the temps in the summer ranged from 50's to the 70's in the late 1700's. 

 

 

[from the link in your nick:]

"Interestingly enough, weather records indicate that the delegates may have exaggerated. According to historian David O. Stewart, a 20th-century study said Philadelphia enjoyed a relatively cool summer in 1787."

Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 04:19 PM (el7k2)

375 >>>The giant stone spheres Parisians used to clear out the sewers was the inspiration for the famous Raiders of the Lost Ark opening action scene.

I actually think you're right.  Either that or I've read people call those stones "Just like the boulder in Raiders."


Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 04:20 PM (/IWYB)

376 where'd everyone go? I want to talk more about poop and ice.


Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 04:25 PM (/IWYB)

377 I've heard of that, although I'm too young to actually remember it.

Get off my lawn!

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 04:26 PM (Oz+LZ)

378 well anyway thanks for the diversion.  Was fun!

Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 04:26 PM (/IWYB)

379 375 Yeah, the delegates were complaining about the heat. But they had been growing up in much cooler temps, so to them, it probably seemed 'hot'. Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 08:19 PM (el7k2) With the windows nailed shut and a room full of men, it would have gotten hot indoors regardless of the temperature outside.

Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 04:26 PM (sdi6R)

380 The messiah comes to mind when ever I hear the Joe Jones classic on the oldies station. Some peope just talk too much.

Posted by: angel with a sword at August 27, 2013 04:28 PM (4ypfR)

381 373 I am old enough to remember an insulated metal "milk box" on the front porch, where the "milk man" in his "milk truck" would make regular deliveries. Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 08:15 PM (sdi6R) Today, my vet has a nearly identical box on her front porch where she puts blood samples to be picked up for transport to the lab.

Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 04:31 PM (sdi6R)

382 Here's another ice tidbit for you, Ace. The Indians (from the great sub-continent, not the red Indians) knew how to create small amounts of ice by putting water in a wide, shallow clay bowl with straw on top then setting it in a cool area. A thermometer in the water dropped a few degrees in a matter of minutes.

Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 04:35 PM (Oz+LZ)

383 214 Kucinich: Striking Syria Will Make U.S. Military ‘Al-Qaeda’s Air Force’ The world is surely all fucked up when I agree with Kucinich? G-D I need a drink *** Oh, man. I agree with Kooky too. What a depressing thought.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 27, 2013 04:49 PM (VlXYw)

384 "But society denied women equal standing to vote -- US vote "granted" women in 1920, awfully late.

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 27, 2013 07:47 PM (MhA4j)"



The laws regarding voting have traditionally been implemented at the state level.  Women could vote in New Jersey before 1800 when the state revised their voting laws and one of the reforms was to end female suffrage.  In 1876 Wyoming allowed women to vote in order to encourage immigration.  Some other states followed suit. By the time the 19th Amendment was passed, the majority of women in the United States could vote in accordance with the laws of their states. 

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 27, 2013 05:05 PM (31Nrp)

385 Noise?  You want to hear about noise?  Try living in a residential city block (South Philly) where every other household has either a colicky baby or feral toddlers that run up and down the street at almost all hours of the day and night.  I HATE that high, piercing icepick-in-the ear that only kids below a certain age can make--it would penetrate the thickest walls much less open windows (I did mention that this is South Philly and in the summer noone in their right mind closes the windows unless they have central air conditioning).  Not that the adults are much better.  As I type I'm listening to a barely coherent crackhead screaming about something on the other end of the block; I can't wait for her to get stoned again so that she shuts up.

Don't even get me started on the Section 8 Cambodian wiggers with a boatload of small kids and a penchant for car stereos blasting rap that may or may not be in English--probably to drown out the screaming kids.  Um, sorry there Wu Tang, but it's not working and its giving me a serious headache.  And let's not forget that you know it's spring here when you hear ice cream trucks and police choppers--at 0400 (Yes, I'm up at that hour--it's when I do some of my best work on my "second shift").

I want quiet.  When it gets dark and the streetlights come on, I want the kids too focused on bedtime videos ("Jurassic Barney" would be a nice choice,along with gentle sangs about the dos and don'ts in Cellblock D where most of them are going sooner or later) to be trying to hit notes that shatter the windows.  Never mind my eardrums and patience.  I'd like to hear crickets instead of some drug-addled skank gibbering at the top of her lungs at the people across the street.  Sigh.  Not gonna happen here.

That Slate scrunt thinks this is just a guy thing to not want to hear constant, loud and sudden noises?  OK, she can live here and listen to "The Symphony" while trying to compose her ridiculous essays.  After all, what real womon doesn't want to hear children sounding like jet turbines tearing themselves apart after a birdstrike at all hours of the day and night?  I'm sure her editors would love her work after a few months when she's damn near jumping out of her skin at every sudden noise.  On second thought, they probably won't notice her going slowly batshit insane, because that probably happened sometime around 1978....

Posted by: Jenk at August 27, 2013 05:12 PM (8xKUx)

386 "377 where'd everyone go? I want to talk more about poop and ice.


Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 08:25 PM (/IWYB)"



You can check out this web site for answers to all your sewage questions.  For ice boxes you are on your own.



http://www.sewerhistory.org/



Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 27, 2013 05:15 PM (31Nrp)

387 Unrelated : The entire time I was trying to read this article, my wife was bitching about the dog.

Posted by: francis at August 27, 2013 05:50 PM (jutgs)

388 Provocative Feminist @ 204: Women don't fart because the never shut up long enough to build up the back pressure,

Posted by: another fapping moron at August 27, 2013 07:09 PM (EV3Uf)

389 I haven't read all 389 comments yet, but might I suggest that if Schopenhauer was writing in German, perhaps "big children" is one word.

Posted by: Pete in TX at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (GDLvN)

390 Just had a moment (in quiet) to read this. This isn't just platinum wordsmithing, this is Quiet Wordsmithing. Thanks, Ace.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 28, 2013 01:23 AM (IXrOn)

391 Well this is an odd logical formulation. Galileo was sexist; so the world must be flat. QED... or something.

Posted by: gekkobear at August 28, 2013 08:14 AM (hUkT4)

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