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May 23, 2013

Slight Knock-Down of Eric Holder Story
— Ace

Some are a little meh on this story, because, they say, the law requires Eric Holder (and no one else) to sign these sorts of warrants.

So, they're saying: Didn't we already sort of know/guess this? The knock-down isn't that the story is false, but that it is, or should have been, obvious, and hence isn't shocking news.

Ehhhh... I guess I admit I didn't consider that.

Still... certainly it's news to me he signed the warrants, given that he'd been so fulsome in noting his complete recusal from decision-making in the AP case.

I guess I was assuming that the signature here, too, may have been delegated.

But it wasn't.

So I insist this is a big story. It adds to what we know. Perhaps many (smarter than I) suspected this was the case, but knowing beats suspecting.

Posted by: Ace at 02:39 PM | Comments (134)
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1 Maybe he borrowed SCOAMF's autopen.

Posted by: BK at May 23, 2013 02:41 PM (UjZK5)

2 Darn those low level employees with autopen.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 23, 2013 02:42 PM (NcPjb)

3 Kathryn Ruemmler stole my auto-pen!

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 23, 2013 02:43 PM (FcR7P)

This is just like the Hillary story about how she would have to PERSONALY sign off on allowing Embassy people to stay in a place that does not meet security standards...

Funny that by LAW they have to do it... but don't remember.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2013 02:43 PM (lZBBB)

5 No. Fuck that. He said he recused himself. As in I don't know anything about that shit. This makes it worse, not better for him.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 23, 2013 02:44 PM (AM5nf)

6 ...you didn't sign that....

Posted by: SCOAMF at May 23, 2013 02:44 PM (HS4nI)

7 Per Yahoo : "In exchanges that often turned testy, Holder defended the inquiry while pointing out that he had removed himself from any decision on subpoenas"

So he didn't decide on getting the subpoenas he just signed off on them?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 23, 2013 02:44 PM (4cRnj)

8 fulsome in every sense of the word.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at May 23, 2013 02:44 PM (IlZPo)

9 Time to ban assault autopens.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 23, 2013 02:44 PM (NcPjb)

10 Hey, we're not all fucking lawyers(spit)

Posted by: Hunker down at May 23, 2013 02:45 PM (Cs2tJ)

11 Where can I get one of those autopens? I have to sign 20 paychecks every week, and it would be a handy thing to have.

Posted by: Chris M at May 23, 2013 02:45 PM (b3vSq)

12 >>>He said he recused himself. As in I don't know anything about that shit. yeah but... technically, and I suppose actually, he was speaking of the AP case. He certainly didn't offer us any more information there.

Posted by: Rick Tempest, Pointer-Outer at May 23, 2013 02:45 PM (LCRYB)

13 Ace--he said he had recused himself. If he actually signed the warrant--I don't even...these guys are like the Keystone Cops. On Fire. Pumping Gas. In a Volcano.

Related, The genius of Drudge: "Obama Promises to Drone Less."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2013 02:45 PM (uluoH)

14 5 No. Fuck that.

He said he recused himself. As in I don't know anything about that shit.

This makes it worse, not better for him.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 23, 2013 06:44 PM (AM5nf)

Isn't he perjuring himself??

Posted by: NWConservative at May 23, 2013 02:45 PM (M1gmo)

15 Just shrink the size of the burning skull on this update. 75x75. Still news.

Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2013 02:46 PM (gWsOf)

16 You're right this is a huge story because either he baldly lied to Congress about this or he's admitting that he's just signing shit without knowing what it is.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at May 23, 2013 02:46 PM (Gk3SS)

17 Things have to happen now. Some of these crooks must be prosecuted for their crimes, or it's all over for our little experiment in republican self-rule.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at May 23, 2013 02:46 PM (IlZPo)

18 ill... certainly it's news to me he signed the warrants, given that he'd been so fulsome in noting his complete recusal from decision-making in the AP case.

Can you sign a warrant when you have no knowledge of the contents and have recused yourself? Why even have an Attorney General?

Posted by: no good deed at May 23, 2013 02:46 PM (mjR67)

19 When you have an unindicted co-conspirator as attorney general, it really makes no difference. The man is already in contempt of congress, he has no credibility.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 23, 2013 02:46 PM (/i3Yt)

20 I don't like this Rick Tempest's tone.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 23, 2013 02:47 PM (AM5nf)

The Rosen persecution happened a long time before the AP persecution.

Posted by: wheatie at May 23, 2013 02:47 PM (L35yH)

22 When will central planning decide to pull Drudge's plug?

Posted by: Hunker down at May 23, 2013 02:47 PM (Cs2tJ)

23 This makes the story bigger if you ask me. Obama's been acting like it may have been an underling. Holder acting like it may have been an underling. The press acting like it may have been an underling. And all that time they all knew Holder had signed it?!?

Posted by: Dang at May 23, 2013 02:47 PM (Hx2XA)

Well, now he can't say that he didn't know about this one. I think it's still a big story. Adds to the drip drip drip aspect.

FUCK YOU STEADMAN

What will the Friday news dump bring this weekend. It's a holiday weekend so I am expecting a bunch of shit to get dumped on Friday

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 23, 2013 02:47 PM (nTgAI)

25 I believe I read Holder read what was in the AP subpoenas after he has recused himself. Is that legal?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 23, 2013 02:48 PM (4cRnj)

26 His recusal, spoken in sweet whispers somewhere, to someone or to no one in particular, was ONLY on the AP case.

That's his story and he's stickin' to it...damnit.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 23, 2013 02:48 PM (X6akg)

27 I'm with EoJ. This makes it worse for Holder. He lied or he doesn't know shit from shinola. Of course, it could be both of those.

Posted by: no good deed at May 23, 2013 02:48 PM (mjR67)

28 Ah suspect everyone! ...and I suspect no one!

Posted by: Inspector Clueless Ho at May 23, 2013 02:48 PM (/lWM8)

29 This is a big deal because holder had discretion to NOT sign off on such an intrusive warrant.

Posted by: the dandy at May 23, 2013 02:48 PM (n5mZ4)

30 Hmmmm you guys...

Posted by: Yip at May 23, 2013 02:48 PM (/jHWN)

31 At a minimum, I demand several administration officials serving sentences, and a president escorted from the white house. This is way beyond what Nixon did.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 23, 2013 02:48 PM (/i3Yt)

32 The Obama administration got cocky. They figured since the media was in their pocket, "fuck em". They didn't count on one thing though: the only thing the media likes to gush over more than Obama...is themselves. Attack them, and the gloves come off. Stupid move.

Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2013 02:49 PM (gWsOf)

33 Was Holder under oath.

Posted by: Madamex at May 23, 2013 02:49 PM (Tj05I)

34 My understanding of events is ..... evolving!

Posted by: Steadman at May 23, 2013 02:49 PM (W2qJe)

35 31 At a minimum, I demand several administration officials serving sentences, and a president escorted from the white house. This is way beyond what Nixon did.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 23, 2013 06:48 PM (/i3Yt)

Keep your shirt on, we're establishing more investigative committee's.

Posted by: John Boehner at May 23, 2013 02:50 PM (Cs2tJ)

36 He recused himself. Right after he signed the warrant. ***sign sign sign*** "Okay! Olly olly recusen free! Totally have no idea what's going on with that warrant I just signed! For all I know it fell behind the couch!"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 23, 2013 02:50 PM (AM5nf)

37 "Inspector Clueless Ho"

That is so clever, if I do say so myself. Imma figure out how to use that over and over and over.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at May 23, 2013 02:50 PM (/lWM8)

38 I demand immediate indefinite administrative (paid) leave for two dozen federal employees to be picked at random, and let them enjoy the summer off while under extra special scrutiny.

Posted by: Yip at May 23, 2013 02:50 PM (/jHWN)

39 The Obama administration got cocky.

They figured since the media was in their pocket, "fuck em".

They didn't count on one thing though: the only thing the media likes to gush over more than Obama...is themselves. Attack them, and the gloves come off.

Stupid move.

Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2013 06:49 PM (gWsOf)

As my dad would say " don't shit where you eat"

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 23, 2013 02:51 PM (nTgAI)

40 he was for recusing himself before he was against it...or is it the other way around?

Posted by: sound awake at May 23, 2013 02:52 PM (ZjfK8)

41 This isn't exactly Klinger applying his "Sherman T. Potter" to get a 3-day pass to Seoul. If Obama already won the war on terror by killing Bin Laden, why the urgency to root out national security leaks?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 23, 2013 02:52 PM (Ec6wH)

16 You're right this is a huge story because either he baldly lied to Congress about this or he's admitting that he's just signing shit without knowing what it is.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at May 23, 2013 06:46 PM (Gk3SS)

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And attorneys tell us that we should never, ever, sign anything...unless we know what we're signing.

Right?

So here we have the highest ranking Attorney...the Attorney General...signing something that he doesn't know about?

Posted by: wheatie at May 23, 2013 02:52 PM (L35yH)

43 This all seems like old news and much like the birther attempt to besmirch Obama's invisible birth certificate after the fact when he perfectly clear that he was born in ~~Kenya~~ Hawaii.

I mean if you can't trust a non-partisan AG that has taken an oath to defend the Constitution, who can you trust? Besides, I am sure some low level minion placed those documents in front of him for signature and was not forthright as to their contents.

Posted by: Weimar Republican at May 23, 2013 02:52 PM (Cnqmv)

44 Regardless, this abuse of power led to this fascinating bit of theater today:

"Please pass a law to keep us from doing this because we can't help ourselves."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2013 02:53 PM (uluoH)

45 plus, this story came out a year ago. amirite?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 23, 2013 02:53 PM (QxSug)

46 Barky & Ear-ache (the dick) Holder don't appear to know very much about almost everything. Fucking amazing!

Posted by: Killerdog at May 23, 2013 02:53 PM (Oi60j)

47 There's no flaming skull. How can this be big with no flaming skull.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 23, 2013 02:53 PM (4Mv1T)

48 Fox just reported that the new acting head of the IRS asked for Lerner's resignation and she refused.....so....she get's paid leave? Niiiice gig.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 23, 2013 02:54 PM (X6akg)

49 No flaming skull, but a smoldering rat peut-etre?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 23, 2013 02:54 PM (+98Gb)

50 Implausible deniability

Posted by: Body Builder at May 23, 2013 02:54 PM (2ArJQ)

51 IIRC he said that he recused him from the AP warrant. Was he just using trick language to stay away from the Fox news story ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 23, 2013 02:54 PM (nTgAI)

52 48. But Lerner should be fired. ugh. What new class of nobility they've contrived.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 23, 2013 02:55 PM (QxSug)

53 if bush and cheney were "wiping their asses" with the constitution, what is all this called?

Posted by: sound awake at May 23, 2013 02:55 PM (ZjfK8)

54 Fox just reported that the new acting head of the IRS asked for Lerner's resignation and she refused.....so....she get's paid leave? Niiiice gig.

Posted by: Tami at May 23, 2013 06:54 PM (X6akg)

C#nt Punt

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 23, 2013 02:55 PM (nTgAI)

55 And attorneys tell us that we should never, ever, sign anything...unless we know what we're signing.
Right?

So here we have the highest ranking Attorney...the Attorney General...signing something that he doesn't know about?
Posted by: wheatie at May 23, 2013 06:52 PM (L35yH)

One of my all time favorite tiny moments in a movie is in Air Force One when the secretary hands Harrison Ford some documents, he signs them and then says "What was that?" and she says "Oh nothing" and wanders off.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at May 23, 2013 02:55 PM (Gk3SS)

56 As my dad would say " don't shit where you eat" Posted by: The Jackhole at May 23, 2013 06:51 PM (nTgAI) Exactly. Now lets watch the Republican party completely destroy itself by pushing immigration, instead of: "ENOUGH" 1- Pledging to defund/roll back the IRS 2- Pledging (again) to dismantle Obamacare 3- No DISCUSSION of immigration until unemployment drops under 4% as their plan to go back into the Senate. Those three positions, which I know they've already shit all over, but those positions, repeated ad nausem with ads showing Lerner "pleading the fifth" and smashcuts of 'I didn't know' and the "government is so vast' from Axelrod wins you 7 senate seats and 20 house seats and jolts Walker, Perry, Cruz and the rest to run into the WH in 2016. But I'm going with the GOP shitting the bed, then lifting up the feces-filled mattress and climbing under it.

Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2013 02:55 PM (gWsOf)

57 We need a flaming ladies' bicycle up in this bitch.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 23, 2013 02:55 PM (AM5nf)

58 48 Fox just reported that the new acting head of the IRS asked for Lerner's resignation and she refused.....so....she get's paid leave? Niiiice gig.

Posted by: Tami at May 23, 2013 06:54 PM (X6akg)

So basically the only way for them to get rid of her is with handcuffs? Awesome.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 23, 2013 02:55 PM (M1gmo)

59 they are fucking commie bastard criminals. Really nothing else to know.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 23, 2013 02:56 PM (9Bj8R)

60 Section 1203 of the Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998, which mandates terminations of IRS employees who commit any of what are known in the Service as the Â“10 Deadly Sins.Â” Passed in the 19990s after the last major Congressional hearings (Revenue Reform Act of 199

, section 1203 is the neutron bomb that hangs over employees. Violations of 1203 are supposed to be non-negotiable, with termination the only result, although I believe the Commissioner can mitigate and sometimes does, usually in cases involving non-wilfull understatement of tax liability. brazenly stolen from powerlineblog

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 23, 2013 02:56 PM (QxSug)

61 I want paid leave.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 23, 2013 02:56 PM (ZKzrr)

62 OT but hey,lesbian sex! http://spectator.org/blog/2013/05/23/freekate-movement-to-normalize

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2013 02:57 PM (9XBK2)

63 It's really amazing that Obama didn't have a single scandal in his first term and 100 days into his second it's a scandalapoloza.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2013 02:57 PM (g1DWB)

64 But I'm going with the GOP shitting the bed, then lifting up the feces-filled mattress and climbing under it. But that's only in 5 dimensions. What about the other 6? Winning!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 23, 2013 02:57 PM (uk5D3)

65 61 I want paid leave.

Register an EEOC complaint = Golden.

Posted by: Hunker down at May 23, 2013 02:57 PM (Cs2tJ)

66 Section 1203 of the Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998, which mandates terminations of IRS employees who commit any of what are known in the Service as the Â“10 Deadly Sins.Â” Passed in the 19990s after the last major Congressional hearings (Revenue Reform Act of 199, section 1203 is the neutron bomb that hangs over employees. Violations of 1203 are supposed to be non-negotiable, with termination the only result, although I believe the Commissioner can mitigate and sometimes does, usually in cases involving non-wilfull understatement of tax liability.

brazenly stolen from powerlineblog

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 23, 2013 06:56 PM (QxSug)

Bottom line: Civil Rights were violated

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 23, 2013 02:58 PM (nTgAI)

67 In Gaylord Focker's administration the auto-pen can do things without the owner's knowledge. Someone call in the ghost hunters.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 23, 2013 02:58 PM (ay226)

48 Fox just reported that the new acting head of the IRS asked for Lerner's resignation and she refused.....so....she get's paid leave? Niiiice gig.

That's okay, Tami.

Now...the mighty Darth Gowdy can ask her:

Gowdy: "Ms. Lerner, is it true that you were asked to resign and you refused?"

Lerner: "I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it may incriminate me."

Gowdy: "I'll take that as a...Yes."

Posted by: wheatie at May 23, 2013 02:59 PM (L35yH)

69
All these scandals are evaporating.

If worse comes to worst, we might end up coming out of this with our dicks in our hands and Amnesty.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at May 23, 2013 02:59 PM (ZgBZU)

70 STEADMAN ! I told you always use the autopen you dipshit 1

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 23, 2013 02:59 PM (nTgAI)

71 Just terminated a 30+ year employee for being on the wrong side of a "he said/she said" exchange. Six months severance for a guy who'll need to get a new start on his life at 53 years old. It sucks and I feel like shit for being the guy who has to hang around while he cleans out his office. Screw every un-fireable employee of the federal government.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 23, 2013 03:00 PM (Ec6wH)

Ace, you're wrong to beat yourself up.

With THIS White House, you can assume NOTHING. beyond that, it's not exactly common knowledge that the Attorney General signs off on this stuff.

Also, don't abide by any of this crap they're selling about "I signed it, but I didn't read it." Or autosigning, or delegating, etc. The fact that THEIR signature is required, and given, MAKES THEM RESPONSIBLE. I'm sick of the BS excuse-making.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 23, 2013 03:00 PM (Mxt9o)

73 Even if it may not be entirely true (the AP case had Holder recuse himself because the leaker was someone really high up, Cabinet-level, like Brennan), we can use this to point out the ghettoization of news.

Fox spied on - Holder's all in.

AP spied on - Um, let's let Cole handle that.

Posted by: The Q at May 23, 2013 03:00 PM (lB4ch)

74 If worse comes to worst, we might end up coming out of this with our dicks in our hands and Amnesty. It doesn't work that way

Posted by: Zombie Chuck Colson at May 23, 2013 03:00 PM (uk5D3)

75 Will Gowdy rip off one of Lerner's legs, the legs she stomped into the meeting on, the ones she used to trample others' Constitutional rights, and beat her upside the head even as her life blood squirts in bright crimson pulses over her attorney?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 23, 2013 03:00 PM (ay226)

76 As this process moves forward, there will be evidence of crime and corruption, and there will be incidents that simply look bad.

This may be the latter, but it also helps move the narrative, so it's important either way.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2013 03:01 PM (BeSEI)

77
Meanwhile, the GOP is skittish about that icky-poo-poo Sarah Palin running for Senate and agitating the Democrats.

Just when we had a sliver of a chance to come back, our 'leaders' return to their normal seated positions on their thumbs.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at May 23, 2013 03:01 PM (LPRBM)

78 Also, if the Attorney General is required to be responsible for all things, such as this, with the exception of recusal, does the same standard apply to other Cabinet agencies?

For example - if Holder's technically responsible for the Fox spying case, doesn't that ALSO make Hillary responsible for the Benghazi security?

Posted by: The Q at May 23, 2013 03:02 PM (lB4ch)

79 If worse comes to worst, we might end up coming out of this with our dicks in our hands and Amnesty.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at May 23, 2013 06:59 PM (ZgBZU)

I can feel it coming!

Posted by: Weimar Republican at May 23, 2013 03:02 PM (Cnqmv)

80 Just terminated a 30+ year employee for being on the wrong side of a "he said/she said" exchange. Six months severance for a guy who'll need to get a new start on his life at 53 years old. It sucks and I feel like shit for being the guy who has to hang around while he cleans out his office. ------------------- Buck up, little trooper. It takes time to file and settle a wrongful termination suit. He'll be okay.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 23, 2013 03:02 PM (AM5nf)

81 **Screw every un-fireable employee of the federal government.** hey, don't let pep hear you say that. He's sick and tired of the hardworking and capable...so so capable federal employees out there being subjected to libel and slander by their slaves...I mean their subjects.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 23, 2013 03:03 PM (QxSug)

82 damn my outrage is at 11 already

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 23, 2013 03:03 PM (8sCoq)

83 @79 -- so Amnesty got taped behind the toilet at Louis' Restaurant in the Bronx...

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 23, 2013 03:03 PM (Ec6wH)

so, people in certain positions are TECHNICALLY responsible, but can't be held to be, you know, RESPONSIBLE.

Have I got it?

Posted by: barbarausa at May 23, 2013 03:03 PM (WWeoI)

69
All these scandals are evaporating.

I don't think so, steevy.

They are...fermenting...not evaporating.

For those of us who are paying attention, these scandals are becoming 'old'.

But for millions of other people, who haven't been paying attention...these things are 'new revelations'.

Posted by: wheatie at May 23, 2013 03:04 PM (L35yH)

86 62 Really is importanty not just salacious(though it's a bit of that too).The normalization of pedophilia is underway.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2013 03:04 PM (9XBK2)

87
I'm glad someone got The Godfather reference.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at May 23, 2013 03:04 PM (KeJAW)

88 maybe instead of the immigration bill, the GOP would just agree to let every citizen of Mexico be given a mail-in ballot (well, at least 3 a person because racism) and just let the donkies get their preferred voter fraud in that way.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 23, 2013 03:04 PM (QxSug)

89 hey, don't let pep hear you say that. He's sick and tired of the hardworking and capable...so so capable federal employees out there being subjected to libel and slander by their slaves...I mean their subjects. pep at least performs a useful function in a Constitutionally-mandated Executive agency. You should read some of his research.

Posted by: Zombie Chuck Colson at May 23, 2013 03:05 PM (uk5D3)

90 Huh?That was soothsayer.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2013 03:05 PM (9XBK2)

91 88 maybe instead of the immigration bill, the GOP would just agree to let every citizen of Mexico be given a mail-in ballot (well, at least 3 a person because racism) and just let the donkies get their preferred voter fraud in that way.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 23, 2013 07:04 PM (QxSug)

Don't give them any ideas...

Posted by: NWConservative at May 23, 2013 03:05 PM (M1gmo)

92 I'm reposting this from the other thread, because it's worth looking at to check out the transcript: The Blaze has an article about Lerner's days at the FEC: "Wait Until You See the Questions on Prayer Asked of Lt. Col. Oliver North When Lois Lerner Was at the FEC in the 90s" http://tinyurl.com/blazeFEC90s

Posted by: zsasz at May 23, 2013 03:05 PM (MMC8r)

93 88 Hell,why not everyone in the world.Holder said they are basically all US citizens.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2013 03:06 PM (9XBK2)

94 How's the Italian food in this joint?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 23, 2013 03:07 PM (Ec6wH)

95 92 One look at her ugly face and I new she was hardcore left wing scrunt.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2013 03:07 PM (9XBK2)

96 so Amnesty got taped behind the toilet at Louis' Restaurant in the Bronx... Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 23, 2013 07:03 PM (Ec6wH) Actually Mario's on Arthur Ave

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 23, 2013 03:08 PM (9Bj8R)

97 This is still a BIG FUCKING DEAL!

..because JOOOS!

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 23, 2013 03:08 PM (ntNJz)

98
But for millions of other people, who haven't been paying attention...these things are 'new revelations'.

And, praytell, by which technological or even magical mechanism are they hearing about it?

I get my 'news' the same places as you. But I also watch the 'news' that Dumb people watch. The Dumb people aren't really being informed of these scandals.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at May 23, 2013 03:08 PM (KeJAW)

99 How's the Italian food in this joint? Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 23, 2013 07:07 PM (Ec6wH) If you gotta ask, but try the veal, it's the best in the city

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 23, 2013 03:08 PM (9Bj8R)

100 If worse comes to worst, we might end up coming out of this with our dicks in our hands and Amnesty.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at May 23, 2013 06:59 PM (ZgBZU)

I can feel it coming!

Posted by: Weimar Republican at May 23, 2013 07:02 PM (Cnqmv)

OK, I laughed out loud on this one

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 23, 2013 03:09 PM (nTgAI)

101 I mean, at a certain point, I am just a little bit tired of the mass construction boom of the last 20 years as america has absorbed about 70 million new democrat voters from the 3rd world and the suburban and exurban flight that's followed. Maybe we can just surrender and let them post american presidental voter ballots on the internet in pdf form and people around the world can just fill them in and email them throughout 2016. You know? That way, the donkeys get their voter fraud. The GOP thinks they've gone along to get along, and we don't have to watch the US population tip 400 million. You know, we'll then give the democrats a closed room in which they can pinky swear to count every ballot in a very professional - hardworking and capable - manner and announce the winner. of course, registered republicans will be forced to report to specialized voting areas (jails) in which under penalty of perjury and death, they will be allowed to vote verbally in front of a collection of union thugs and black panthers. Said thugs and thugs then being responsible for counting the republican ballots. It serves the GOP/DNC gentleman agreement to only let the GOP have its members liable under the law and let's the DNC get it's lawbreaking in without ruining anymore lily white suburbs in which they live.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 23, 2013 03:09 PM (QxSug)

102 Who was the U.S Attorney that actually asked for the warrant? Who was the judge that granted it? Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 23, 2013 03:09 PM (aDwsi)

103 OT: Steve Forrest, AKA Lt. Dan "Hondo" Harrelson from the 70's action show S.W.A.T. has passed away at the age of 87. Those of you who are slightly younger may remember him better as General Sline from "Spies Like Us". "When we commissioned the Schmectel Corporation to research this precise event sequence scenario, it was determined that the continual stockpiling and development of our nuclear arsenal was becoming self-defeating. A weapon unused is a useless weapon. "

Posted by: Sean Connery at May 23, 2013 03:10 PM (PMGbu)

104 So what do you think my chances of getting erected are?

Posted by: Anthony "Squirts" Weiner at May 23, 2013 03:10 PM (Oi60j)

105 The fact that THEIR signature is required, and given, MAKES THEM RESPONSIBLE. I'm sick of the BS excuse-making.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 23, 2013 07:00 PM (Mxt9o)

Only in Rationalville are those in charge accountable for the conduct of every aspect of their entire administrative empires (whereas we are living in Liberalland where no senior official is responsible and has been mislead by every lower level employee under his leadership). The reason you sign stuff like this is that you are indicating your authority AND your responsibility for the actions that will result from the signature.

Posted by: Weimar Republican at May 23, 2013 03:10 PM (Cnqmv)

106 Of course we knew it, but we wanted the proof out there. Just like Former Ambassador, Rep. Ann Wagner: The President Gives The Â‘Stand DownÂ’ Order on Benghazi; we need the proof.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 23, 2013 03:10 PM (XYSwB)

107

If our current GOP leadership were in charge back in the 1770's we'd all be wearing powdered wigs and drinking tea today.

I'm looking at you John McCain. Revere you I do not.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 23, 2013 03:11 PM (4x8W0)

108 99 How's the Italian food in this joint?
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 23, 2013 07:07 PM (Ec6wH)

If you gotta ask, but try the veal, it's the best in the city

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 23, 2013 07:08 PM (9Bj8R)

I gotta go to the can.

Posted by: Michael Corleone at May 23, 2013 03:11 PM (ntNJz)

109 I get my 'news' the same places as you. But I also watch the 'news' that Dumb people watch. The Dumb people aren't really being informed of these scandals.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at May 23, 2013 07:08 PM (KeJAW)

The Holder story broke on NBC of all places. I don't know if they will air it at all, but the media may have gotten its feathers ruffled a bit by the AP records seizure and is ready to start calling the administration out.

I can only hope.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 23, 2013 03:12 PM (M1gmo)

110 Posted by: zsasz at May 23, 2013 07:05 PM (MMC8r) "Are you now or have you ever been one of those icky Xtianists?" Lerner just gets creepier and creepier, and we haven't even got to the meat of the IRS' war against America yet.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 23, 2013 03:12 PM (qyfb5)

111 LGops, don't be such a whacko bird

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 23, 2013 03:12 PM (QxSug)

112
I'm a moron, and too lazy to read the comments to see if someone's already asked.....is there a true legal difference between a document signed in-person or by autopen? Because it sure seems to me like autopen is turning out to be some sort of magic get-out-of-jail-free excuse for tyrannical bullshit.

Especially since anyone else that the order/warrant/contract is directed towards is bound by it's command, just as an in-person signing, yet the official that "signs" it gets to choose whether or not they can admit any relationship with the document.

Legal morons chime in?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 23, 2013 03:12 PM (TIIx5)

113 Yeah this all makes perfect sense and stuff. Holder was in charge and is required to sign off on these warrants but he recused himself in a verbal way so he'd still have to sign off on the warrants but knows nothing about them. No story here guys but I do hear that Angelina Jolie has new tits or something?

Posted by: terrorsquad at May 23, 2013 03:12 PM (1PqiV)

114 103 He was the younger brother of actor Dana Andrews.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2013 03:13 PM (9XBK2)

115
He's clean.

I frisked a thousand young punks.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at May 23, 2013 03:13 PM (LPRBM)

116 Lerner just gets creepier and creepier, and we haven't even got to the meat of the IRS' war against America yet. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile
-----------------------
One hopes that Gowdy is being held in a cage, deprived of food, and being prodded with sharp sticks. When the right moment comes...., open the cage.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 23, 2013 03:14 PM (aDwsi)

117 our current GOP leadership were in charge back in the 1770's we'd all be wearing powdered wigs and drinking tea today. No doubt, love, but we'd also be having promiscuous sex with many anonymous partners without protection while at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence-free environment, We'd be as sound as a pound.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 23, 2013 03:14 PM (uk5D3)

118 62 OT but hey,lesbian sex! http://spectator.org/blog/2013/05/23/freekate-movement-to-normalize

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2013 06:57 PM (9XBK2)

That popped up on my facebook today. I asked them if they wanted to do away with statutory rape laws, or if they thought that homosexuals should be exempt.

A lot of mockery ensued, but as leftists are wont, they were completely unable to provide an actual answer.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 23, 2013 03:15 PM (sGtp+)

119 How about Term Limits for Federal Employes? Maybe a raffle for the job, six years and all you can steal?

Posted by: Paladin at May 23, 2013 03:16 PM (F1Q3T)

120 over at hotair - lerner update Eamon Javers ✔ @EamonJavers Sen. Grassley stmt: "My understanding is the new acting IRS commissioner asked for Ms. LernerÂ’s resignation, and she refused to resign." 6:32 PM - 23 May 2013 The "acting commissioner" can ask her to resign? Really?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 23, 2013 03:16 PM (XYSwB)

121 Apparently Mizzzzzzz Lerner on paid leave?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 23, 2013 03:16 PM (aDwsi)

122

>>>We'd be as sound as a pound.

***

And no doubt we'd be getting ready to invade the Maldives. Or was it the Malvinas? Damn that geography gets tricky. Imagine the surprise to all the sun bathing tourists when the Royal Marines come splashing ashore...somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Blimey and bugger it all.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 23, 2013 03:18 PM (4x8W0)

123 The "acting commissioner" can ask her to resign? Really?

Make her an offer she can't refuse.

Posted by: Barry Vito Corleone at May 23, 2013 03:18 PM (ntNJz)

124 I don't like The Godfather but at least that commie Sterling Hayden gets shot in it.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2013 03:18 PM (9XBK2)

125 I asked them if they wanted to do away with statutory rape laws, or if they thought that homosexuals should be exempt. What if it's a 40 year old woman? Still okay? Okay, then, what if it's a 40 year old man....? No...?

Posted by: zsasz at May 23, 2013 03:20 PM (MMC8r)

126 118 15 Exactly.And what if it's a 40 year old man and a 14 year old boy?No doubt where they want this to lead.Next up polygamy and beastiality!!

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2013 03:23 PM (9XBK2)

127 Thanks steevy for the link.   The affidavit provides actual facts of the case, instead of the deliberate obfuscations of leftist tripe.

People were arguing that the it was 18 year old + 15 year old, and that they had started before the older one had reached the age of majority, and that it had been a year long relationship, and was only due to homophobic persecution.

Nope.

18 year old sexing a 14 year old, 5 month relationship. Latter is a runaway from home ... I'm disgusted now, and I'm wondering how the leftists can stomach the complete falsehoods they spit out.

It's why I'm not de-friending on facebook - I'm going to see how long they can stomach a drip of the truth.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 23, 2013 03:28 PM (v3pYe)

128
We actually couldn't even suspect it because remember he said he recused himself from the AP one.

Posted by: Just Because at May 23, 2013 03:47 PM (jKWYf)

129 OK, so normal procedure is now based on what best provides cover for this duplicitous clusterfark.of an administration? IRS targeting conservative non-profits? Why it's just some rogue low level Midwestern staffers...we had no knowledge of this. Libyan Consulate is left exposed, is attacked and our ambassador killed? Why, it was the CIA and normal interagency communications is all. DOJ seizes a reporter's emails from conservative network and said order is signed by Attorney General? Why that too is normal. With normal like this, who needs unusual?

Posted by: Ezra's Equal at May 23, 2013 03:57 PM (MUivq)

130 GREAT....now the "too big to fail" meme is extended to the AG. Will the left be so accepting of that excuse when their party doesn't have a monopoly on the federal government?

Posted by: Boss429 at May 23, 2013 04:12 PM (xWx1q)

131 FWIW, the headline at Huffpoo right now is "TIME TO GO" over a pic of Holder.

Posted by: stace. NOW what?! at May 23, 2013 04:16 PM (DX63t)

132 Holder said he recused himself with AP. Why was he DIRECTLY involved with Fox? Did Holders initial authority allow the monitoring of Rosen's parents or did he have to give further authorization to do that?

Posted by: Liontooth at May 23, 2013 04:53 PM (xk0Xg)

133 Wouldn't it be interesting if 1) Eric Holder was abducted, stripped, strapped by arms and waist bent over to a table in a soundproofed room in an abandoned warehouse 2) then place a sedated mature male gorilla with a bowl of Viagra in the room, and lock the door for three days. 3) Treat the gorilla for any injuries, and release back to the wild. One can dream. Barky would probably love that, but would Holder?

Posted by: fed up with this admin at May 23, 2013 05:37 PM (ytVRY)

134

What is their motive?

Why would the AG take risks.....just to monitor Rosen?

Why Rosen?

Posted by: Pam at May 23, 2013 06:02 PM (cgrL5)

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