July 01, 2013
— Ace Basically he's issued a worldwide FaceBook status update: "Stateless." Purportedly this is from Snowden; I guess he hasn't confirmed it yet.
I don't know what to say to this. He seems surprised that the US would cancel his passport even as he sells secrets to the Russians and Chinese.
On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.
...
The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.
In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.
Earlier he announced that he would continue leaking as he pleased, and furthermore insisted upon an end to "illegal aggressions" against him.
"I remain free and able to publish information that serves the public interest," Snowden said in an undated Spanish-language letter sent to President Rafael Correa of Ecuador, seen by Reuters....
"While the public has cried out support of my shining a light on this secret system of injustice, the Government of the United States of America responded with an extrajudicial man-hunt costing me my family, my freedom to travel, and my right to live peacefully without fear of illegal aggression," he wrote.
Posted by: Ace at
02:24 PM
| Comments (262)
Post contains 376 words, total size 3 kb.
The guy will be getting debriefed and then told to STFU....
basically this guy is Lee H Oswald version 2.0
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:25 PM (LRFds)
You'd think he would be running out of 'information' to leak.
And how do we even know that it's not false information?
Posted by: wheatie at July 01, 2013 02:26 PM (Jw4kG)
Posted by: Aldrich Ames at July 01, 2013 02:27 PM (B5y+v)
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 01, 2013 02:27 PM (GoIUi)
I'm sorry?
No, no it hasn't whether it is some eleventy d chess move by "Genius Inc" or not the fact is No Such Agency got cookie jarred Sooth and Jugears got shown as a tard.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:27 PM (LRFds)
I'm opposed to the surveillance state, but he was wrong to go to China and Russia to avoid the repercussions. Making common cause with Private Manning, who committed espionage to advance the gay agenda, is just another nail in the coffin of his credibility. He's actually setting back a rational discussion of the surveillance state.
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at July 01, 2013 02:27 PM (aBOpX)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2013 02:28 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 01, 2013 02:29 PM (KIkcN)
that said one has nothing to do with the other....
that he leaked and is an asshole doesn't fix Prism or the murkiness of Ogabe's surveillance handmaidens at the FISA court.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:29 PM (LRFds)
how about bartering?
Posted by: ace at July 01, 2013 02:29 PM (/IWYB)
Posted by: President For Life Obama at July 01, 2013 02:29 PM (B5y+v)
Posted by: Low Information Voter at July 01, 2013 02:29 PM (uLzrM)
sven, so if you went to your local supermarket and asked the first 50 people their thoughts on Snowden, what would you expect them to say?
They'd say, "Who?"
Posted by: soothsayer at July 01, 2013 02:30 PM (+oin+)
Posted by: CDR M at July 01, 2013 02:31 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: bonhomme at July 01, 2013 02:31 PM (IoTdl)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 01, 2013 02:31 PM (n8LUb)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 01, 2013 02:31 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: ace at July 01, 2013 02:32 PM (/IWYB)
Don't mean to sound critical, but "selling" implies transfer of money, and it reminded me of the "Monica probably has a book deal" stuff from the Clinton era.
I think"barter" or "trade" for safe haven is probably better.
Putin will probably get the useful info and then have him disappeared, anyway.
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 01, 2013 02:32 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: @ParisParamus (Twitter) at July 01, 2013 02:32 PM (N/iLt)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 01, 2013 02:32 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at July 01, 2013 02:32 PM (kxSZr)
Whether he is a traitor or not is immaterial to this one public service from Snowden. An all knowing state is almost identical to a totalitarian state.
Salute the man for that.
Posted by: whocares at July 01, 2013 02:33 PM (mgl7C)
Posted by: ace at July 01, 2013 02:33 PM (/IWYB)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 01, 2013 02:33 PM (n8LUb)
Okay....
No I'm not flaming you sooth but in the end isn't that sorta how the donks win anyway?
"Pardon me ma'am but how do you feel about Benghazi?"
I can pick 15 things people *should* be pissed off about but aren't...
"how do you feel about the US Military being basically lent to Al Qaeda ma'am?"
There's multiple fronts sooth and this matters a LOT with activist libertarian types who hurt us bad in abandoning us the last two races.
Just saying
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:35 PM (LRFds)
I'm still waiting for an answer, btw, for this question: Why haven't any of Manning's superiors been punished for allowing a private to copy huge amounts of classified files onto a CD and walk out the door?
If you were president, you'd fire every single superior all the way up the line if this happened on their watch.
What's worse is that no one was none the wiser until a friggin gay Swede, Julian Assange, revealed to the entire world what Manning's treasonous heist.
Talk about incompetence! They all should be fired and dishonorably discharged. Yet none were..
Posted by: soothsayer at July 01, 2013 02:36 PM (KeJAW)
the very presence of the meta data and the anecdotal data like Shia La Poof saying a technical advisor on a film played him breaking up with his gal within an hour says it is too tempting a tool to have.
My foster family is in Image work for the Farm and other offices in the corporate suite....
I love them and I know the Intel community is mostly solid but this is just too much.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:37 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 02:38 PM (O2PXL)
That way, when the Chinese/ Islamic hordes attack, we will have no warning.
And then he can laugh as he flies off to his fortress in some Third World Country.
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 01, 2013 02:39 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 01, 2013 02:39 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: garrett at July 01, 2013 02:39 PM (2TQQt)
Nope you owe for ten years after renunciation....
http://tinyurl.com/lsykvya
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:39 PM (LRFds)
Ace, he's not going to go after Snowden. That would poll poorly among the youth vote.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 01, 2013 02:40 PM (x0oWB)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 02:40 PM (O2PXL)
Posted by: TC at July 01, 2013 02:40 PM (ygAxO)
Sounds like this dude didn't take into account all of the BAD things that might happen if/when he pulled a stunt like this.
I'm sure that in the blockbuster Hollywood movie that he has spooling in his little head, he is the good-looking star who saves the world, and everything works out exactly the way it is "supposed" to.
Instead, he's getting a front-row seat to the horror that is "real life", where nothing ever happens the way that you thought it would.
And once his usefulness is gone, he's going to find out just how much other countries SUCK when it comes to "civil" rights.
Putin ain't playin' pattycake with Bammy, and there isn't a thing that Bammy can do about it.
Wonder if Mr. Snowden knows yet that Obama views him as nothing more than a "29-year-old hacker", deserving of no more than sneering disdain and contempt by his president?
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 01, 2013 02:41 PM (ADnWI)
Posted by: Lauren at July 01, 2013 02:41 PM (ikxXh)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 02:41 PM (O2PXL)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 01, 2013 02:41 PM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 02:42 PM (aB+tO)
Posted by: sb at July 01, 2013 02:42 PM (rfbdX)
They collected information on about 97 billion instances of communication in March of 2013. They're literally working towards a future where nobody can communicate electronically without them knowing about it. The abuse is the data collection and analysis on EVERYONE.
If you think you have nothing to hide because you're a good person, what about a time when good people are a suspected threat to the powers that be? Tyrant surround themselves with people of low moral character, not good people.
The abuse is there, staring you in the face. There is not a person on earth that cannot be oppressed by a sufficiently informed group of people of low moral character.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 01, 2013 02:42 PM (IoTdl)
Posted by: Serious Cat at July 01, 2013 02:42 PM (UypUQ)
I operate under the assumption that Obama WANTS all this info out, so that the American intelligence services are completely neutralized.
If you mean Obama means to 'level the playing field' by bringing the U.S. superpower down a few notches in the spirit of social and economic justice, I concur.
I make no excuses, I believe Obama is an enemy of the state.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 01, 2013 02:43 PM (NLH1M)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 01, 2013 02:43 PM (8ZskC)
It was an attempt to pin his ass down to a specific known location, and getting whichever government nabs him (and being in a country not of your birth without a visa/passport, i.e., the official permission of that foreign government to be traveling around, is a crime anywhere but the US) to announce that fact, since all visas cancelled are required to be returned to the nation of issue forthwith.
That having been said, if he believes so strongly in his cause, he should stand up with that defense in court, rather than pulling a Roman Polanski and hoping to play the martyr overseas. Oh, and continuing to sell secrets? Two words. Espionage. Treason.
Posted by: Drumwaster at July 01, 2013 02:44 PM (aYeLo)
and when he pisses off Putin and or FSB the fun will really begin for him...or he works for them already or the whole time...
The left are far too comfy with reformed communists and fellow travelers....
there's not a lot we can do about it given they run our schools, media, and entertainment worlds, along with the state department, DoJ, and IRS....
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:44 PM (LRFds)
yes I should take this claim that you just made up seriously. Lulz.
Posted by: ace at July 01, 2013 02:45 PM (/IWYB)
Posted by: Snowden at July 01, 2013 02:45 PM (2TQQt)
Posted by: Baldy at July 01, 2013 02:45 PM (tyDFN)
He has likely not followed the necessary methods to formally renounce, that said de facto if granted asylum he has.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:47 PM (LRFds)
Now on TCM is the movie that was the inspiration for Airplane! From 1957 staring Dana Andrews is Zero Hour. I can't watch this movie without linking each scene between the movies.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 02:47 PM (aB+tO)
A visa and a passport are two different things. Snowden doesn't need a visa to enter the U.S. He may need a visa to enter another country, depending on that country's policies concerning U.S. passport holders.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 01, 2013 02:47 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 02:48 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 02:48 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 01, 2013 02:49 PM (yoh1c)
the latest data release today makes it fairly clear that at least concerns metadata the reality is troubling enough...
add in the FISA Court deference to "eh...whatever dude"
It's troubling.
You give me access to your financial records and metadata Ace I can wreck your world.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:49 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Joe Biden at July 01, 2013 02:49 PM (mETGQ)
What I am pretty sure about is that we are lied to on a daily basis and the entirety of this crap with Snowden, NSA, etc. won't come out for many years to come if it ever does.
Posted by: Cheri at July 01, 2013 02:49 PM (EAgmr)
I had scruples once. Also very painful, but I got over them.
Posted by: Special Snowflake Snowden at July 01, 2013 02:49 PM (Oz+LZ)
At worst, this is just a ploy by Obama to bide time until the next school shooting to really push for an all out ban on guns.
At worst-worst, this is Obama allowing our nation's secrets to be leaked and making sure everyone in the world gets them by pretend-chasing Snowded around the globe.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 01, 2013 02:50 PM (yhYn1)
Report to the Death Panels tomorrow morning at 9 AM.
Posted by: Prez'nit Kervorkian at July 01, 2013 02:50 PM (uLzrM)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 02:50 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at July 01, 2013 02:51 PM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 02:51 PM (aB+tO)
when did "totes" become a "thing"?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 01, 2013 02:51 PM (x0oWB)
Posted by: Craig Poe at July 01, 2013 02:52 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 02:52 PM (8sCoq)
And then been droned.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 06:41 PM (O2PXL)
This. I keep hearing this guy being hailed as a "hero". To me, he's just a cheap-ass p*ssy who's made a really, really bad decision as to where to run to.
A hero would have stayed put and stood up for what he claimed to believe in. Doing a "Enemies of America" World Tour? Not heroic.
Posted by: antisocialist at July 01, 2013 02:52 PM (eGr8Z)
Ace mocked TMZ or Birdfeed with it the other day and as happens it stuck...
I read "totes" I think of Dan Marino
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:52 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Fritz at July 01, 2013 02:52 PM (G9Mmf)
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/obama-umbrella-409x620.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 02:53 PM (aB+tO)
Posted by: toby928© waiting in the wings at July 01, 2013 02:53 PM (QupBk)
Is there nothing that this Admin. can't fuck up? Top men. Which includes you to Hillary, Rice, and Jarrett.
Posted by: Cheri at July 01, 2013 02:54 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: toby928© waiting in the wings at July 01, 2013 02:54 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: @ParisParamus (Twitter) at July 01, 2013 02:55 PM (N/iLt)
Not much to disagree with here,
Posted by: RiverC at July 01, 2013 02:55 PM (KTytI)
Isotoner gloves...
http://youtu.be/8YMgAxF39oA
at JC Penny as a boy they were over by the totes umbrellas in the "classy shit" section....
remember CJ I used memory palace cognition....
those things are in a very very dark corner.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 02:56 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Paula Bean at July 01, 2013 02:56 PM (uLzrM)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 02:56 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Craig Poe at July 01, 2013 02:56 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: obligatory at July 01, 2013 02:56 PM (QupBk)
Does this mean I get the membership upgrade that allows ampersands?Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 02:56 PM (aB+tO)
Posted by: Jimmie at July 01, 2013 02:57 PM (Vk3+v)
And that's before you have access to everybody's medical data.
People who haven't been shown what data mining can really do generally don't have a feel for what you can find out about a person. If I only have access to your grocery bill, I can find out all sorts of information about you. I can tell if you're pregnant, on a diet, anemic, bulimic, having friends over, having a date over, depressed, changing exercise routines, all sorts of things.
That's just groceries. If a police group wants to know who you are, they can easily build an associate network with your call data. Who do you talk to, and how frequently. Who do they talk to, and how frequently. That's how they map criminal organizations hierarchies. That's the very basic low-level stuff.
You know how credit card agencies can figure out if you're using your card, or someone unauthorized is. That's data mining. They know you. If your purchasing "fingerprint" goes out of normal, they can figure that out. Think about it. That's you, defined as a set of normal purchases. Now, add every aspect of your life, and they have "you", as a fingerprint of data.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 01, 2013 02:57 PM (IoTdl)
His basic premise I don't disagree with but Manning?
Posted by: Cheri at July 01, 2013 02:58 PM (EAgmr)
Don't think I ever saw that ad though.
Yeah I remember them being in the semi-classy section of JC Penney too, or maybe Sears, don't remember that clearly.
oh well. now it's cheap pleather shit from China.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 01, 2013 02:59 PM (x0oWB)
Posted by: stickety at July 01, 2013 02:59 PM (+Vm+w)
Sure, the government is in a shit position, but the whole point of the US gov't and the constitution is that the gov't be in a shit position when it wants to strip rights from a citizen.
Posted by: Gringo at July 01, 2013 02:59 PM (SbfVm)
At this point, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Interestingly, that puts few actual bad guys as my friends.
That says a lot.
Posted by: RiverC at July 01, 2013 02:59 PM (KTytI)
Yup...I try hard to keep the Ocare IRS confluence out of my mind so I don't go paranoid...
I aided in audit defense prep...
I understand how forensic datamining and Network analysis operate.
It is not pretty with an idiot like me running the method...
now imagine a federal govt effectively with limitless money, and no morals to be seen with medical and legal data added in....
*boom*
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:00 PM (LRFds)
>>> Does this mean I get the membership upgrade that allows ampersands?
Pretty sure ou have to turn your webcam on for ampersand clearance.
Posted by: garrett at July 01, 2013 03:00 PM (2TQQt)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 03:01 PM (8sCoq)
So...he wants asylum and yet he's pissy that the Zero administration canx'd his citizenship. And the NSA actually hired this dumbass?
We are soooo screwed.....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 01, 2013 03:01 PM (L2I78)
You know how credit card agencies can figure out if you're using your card, or someone unauthorized is. That's data mining. They know you. If your purchasing "fingerprint" goes out of normal, they can figure that out. Think about it. That's you, defined as a set of normal purchases. Now, add every aspect of your life, and they have "you", as a fingerprint of data.
The Last Enemy. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0966151/
Enjoy
Posted by: fluffy at July 01, 2013 03:02 PM (z9HTb)
The Fourth of July firework displays at some military bases have been cancelled. http://tinyurl.com/ljbvj56
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 03:02 PM (aB+tO)
#95: Wasn't it Isotoners that Marino plugged?
Posted by: Eddie Willers at July 01, 2013 03:03 PM (bRdb3)
Posted by: UWP at July 01, 2013 03:03 PM (r98SZ)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 03:03 PM (O2PXL)
Dunno, I would not take any statement at face value. If he is playing the political game, which I think he is, his statements are designed to make more people angry at the Obama admin.
Posted by: RiverC at July 01, 2013 03:03 PM (KTytI)
Posted by: Andy at July 01, 2013 03:04 PM (fZEw5)
I wonder if the wing walker died at my hometown's air show b/c they were trying extra hard since the Thunderbirds and BlueAngels are grounded...?
Ah well so long as Momjeans has Reggie around for putting in the rough amI right or am I right?
Asshole electorate.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:04 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 03:04 PM (rbWk0)
Yup, that's what happens when you piss off the biggest kid on the block.
Is he really that naive to believe that by leaking all these secrets, that he wouldn't be targeted and hunted by whatever means necessary?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 01, 2013 03:04 PM (x0oWB)
Posted by: waldo at July 01, 2013 03:04 PM (hc19V)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 01, 2013 03:04 PM (g1DWB)
Yes, as was explained Isotoners were in the classy shit sections at he mall in the 80s along with "totes"...both products seemed like Preppy frappery to me...
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:05 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Baron bon Mot at July 01, 2013 03:05 PM (YIAp4)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 07:01 PM (8sCoq)
You know, that is great advice, because I do want a pair of stylish leather driving gloves for when it's cold but I'm not a biker so I never thought about going there.
thanx
Posted by: chemjeff at July 01, 2013 03:06 PM (x0oWB)
Hey we're at war Herr...with ourselves...
what 4th amendment.....?
We had a good go around in the Morsi thread on "the war"
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:06 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Motorhead at July 01, 2013 03:06 PM (qAMin)
I have secret plans to save the day at the last minute. What a publicity coup it will be when the 200 sparklers I have procured arrive at each base at the very last minute, to save the holiday for my warrior minions!
Posted by: Prez'nit Benedict Arnold at July 01, 2013 03:06 PM (uLzrM)
Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at July 01, 2013 03:07 PM (U2UQk)
Can't have 4th of July celebrations on a lot of military bases due to lack of money. Yet, Reggie 'backdoor' Love is on a AF1 loveboat cruise through Africa at taxpayers expense with his boyfriend. What's a lousy 100 million when it comes to lecturing the continent of Africa on gay rights, and telling the press to behave themselves.
Posted by: Cheri at July 01, 2013 03:07 PM (EAgmr)
I exposed the government's illegal behavior. But if they try to get me, I expect them to obey the law.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 01, 2013 03:07 PM (x0oWB)
Posted by: I see everything twice!! at July 01, 2013 03:07 PM (/PJ/D)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at July 01, 2013 03:07 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 03:08 PM (rbWk0)
Actually, it is both. Because we can be anti-NSA-snooping without devolving into Snowden worship.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 01, 2013 03:08 PM (x0oWB)
Naive but not wrong.
Make the left either live up to their ideals or sell out. It's been a great ride.
Posted by: RiverC at July 01, 2013 03:09 PM (KTytI)
Posted by: NC Ref at July 01, 2013 03:09 PM (/izg2)
"In a time of universal deceit, the truth is a revolutionary idea"
I only have one question: Whats wrong with the truth about tyranny?
Posted by: Mt Top Patriot at July 01, 2013 03:09 PM (kdYtr)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 03:09 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: garrett at July 01, 2013 03:09 PM (2TQQt)
Posted by: McCool at July 01, 2013 03:09 PM (4OYYn)
speaking of Adam Baldwin...
Last year I watched the entire CHUCK series. Very good.
It isn't 24; it's campy. Fun.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 01, 2013 03:10 PM (LPRBM)
Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 03:10 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 03:10 PM (O2PXL)
they exist...
http://tinyurl.com/mmr4xv6
for example..it's part of the business...
what is not usually part of NSA's balliwick is fucking all America at once...
for perspective one has to go back to the hypocrisy of the Watergate era and their whining about J Edgar Hoover....
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:10 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 03:10 PM (rbWk0)
Posted by: Mayday at July 01, 2013 03:11 PM (eHc+1)
Posted by: Cheri at July 01, 2013 03:11 PM (EAgmr)
Doing a "Enemies of America" World Tour? Not heroic.
Wait, are you guys talking about Snowden or Obama?
Posted by: Some Guy at July 01, 2013 03:11 PM (uPbpg)
yet we have $100 million for the Great Silverback and his tribe to take vacation...
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 03:11 PM (aB+tO)
You must be over forty.
Which reminds me. The "don't trust anyone over 30" generation is... now in their 60s.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at July 01, 2013 03:12 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 07:04 PM (rbWk0)
Actually I suspect that traffic analysis of phones calls doesn't violate the 4th amendment. The supreme court ruled a while back that the government can photograph the front and back of mail sent through the post office. Tracking who calls whom isn't really a stretch from that but actually listening to the contents of a call is supposed to require a warrant.
But given the sheer amount of terrorism-related laws we've passed since 9/11 it's hard to say exactly what is and is not legal when it comes to monitoring phone calls and emails.
Posted by: Mætenloch at July 01, 2013 03:12 PM (pAlYe)
The LIV belief that Zimmerman hunted down a 17 year old boy and shot him in the head.
The jury will decide, but then the 'public' will override.More perversion of justice, which is the topic of this year.
Posted by: RiverC at July 01, 2013 03:12 PM (KTytI)
Posted by: Baron bon Mot at July 01, 2013 03:12 PM (YIAp4)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 03:12 PM (O2PXL)
Posted by: boniface ballers at July 01, 2013 03:13 PM (l3RZ9)
Posted by: ace at July 01, 2013 06:35 PM (/IWYB)
this doesn't seem As odd, considering they are Punishing/jailing by leaps and bounds, whistleblowers now.
Also in that they seemingly use personal information like who you voted for , and how you pray against you . journalist and their parents information being taken on lying Whims? The openly Disfunctional use of His bully puppet to go after FOX news and Teaparty?
Posted by: willow at July 01, 2013 03:13 PM (nqBYe)
Actually I suspect that traffic analysis of phones calls doesn't violate the 4th amendment. The supreme court ruled a while back that the government can photograph the front and back of mail sent through the post office. Tracking who calls whom isn't really a stretch from that but actually listening to the contents of a call is supposed to require a warrant.
I disagree.
Of course, I also disagree with SCOTUS on being able to photograph front and back of mail sent through the post office.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at July 01, 2013 03:13 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Andy at July 01, 2013 03:13 PM (J7sV0)
Heh quite...thing is I've met some of the pilots.
I went to the Dayton Air Show when I came south and went for a lot of years when in Ohio...
I got to meet RB Bob Hoover, the Snowbirds, and the Blue Angels through Boy Scouts and just being around over the years...
the stunt pilots are very precise, very good pilots who are showmen....
"the showmen" part is what worries me though.
It broke my heart a little, I'm just trying to cope.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:14 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 03:14 PM (8sCoq)
The NSA and PRISM revelations were all about making Snowden seem a lot more sympathetic than the traitor that he is -- and among the left, the ruse worked. Yes, the government is watching our every move and will use anything they glean from that surveillance against us. BUT, that doesn't mean Snowden hasn't also betrayed our nation. He gave State secrets to the Russians and Chinese -- and it looks like that was his and Wikileaks plan all along.
Posted by: elaine at July 01, 2013 03:14 PM (4Mzrt)
This guy sounds like an old Soviet apparatchik.
Yeah, our government is lying too much and spying too much and groping too much and defending freedom too little.
But I really don't like the cut of this fellow Snowdon's jib.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at July 01, 2013 03:15 PM (HBAcW)
Posted by: Marcus at July 01, 2013 03:15 PM (WgV9o)
News Flash: The NSA was formed on November 4, 1952. It's a safe bet that data gathering, both foreign and domestic, began on this date.
Posted by: Fritz at July 01, 2013 03:15 PM (G9Mmf)
Posted by: stickety at July 01, 2013 03:16 PM (+Vm+w)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:16 PM (XIxXP)
Yes, the government is watching our every move and will use anything they glean from that surveillance against us. BUT, that doesn't mean Snowden hasn't also betrayed our nation
Considering the information he gave them apparently wasn't worth much (or they'd have granted him asylum), I'm thinking the bigger issue here is the Surveillance State, not the treachery.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at July 01, 2013 03:16 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 03:16 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Minuteman at July 01, 2013 03:16 PM (lFfmN)
172 Perigrinations: nations where peregrines are in charge.
No...that would be 'Peregrinations', I think. With an "e".
Perigrinations: nations with rampant periodontal disease, who grin a lot.
Posted by: wheatie at July 01, 2013 03:17 PM (Jw4kG)
Posted by: Wes at July 01, 2013 03:17 PM (R1mDg)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 03:17 PM (rbWk0)
Oh, and in case people missed Lauren's announcement earlier: Post up at that blog I don't have regarding the Pro-Life rally (and the astroturfed left and their tactics).
Link, as ever, in sig.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at July 01, 2013 03:17 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 01, 2013 03:18 PM (qyfb5)
Saw him once way back in the day when he got all wobbly on stage during the very first song of the first set and his roadies had to drag him back stage to (I'm guessing) shoot him up with something to...ah...reestablish his equilibrium. Came back out a few minutes later and put on a hell of a show. Good times.
Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at July 01, 2013 03:18 PM (uLzrM)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 01, 2013 03:19 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Motorhead at July 01, 2013 03:19 PM (qAMin)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 01, 2013 03:19 PM (g1DWB)
In Zero Hour its the chief airline pilot in the tower who says "I picked the wrong week to quit smoking."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 03:19 PM (aB+tO)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 01, 2013 07:08 PM (x0oWB)
Exactly - but some people simply can't accept any story where there's not a clear-cut hero and a clear-cut villain.
Posted by: Mætenloch at July 01, 2013 03:20 PM (pAlYe)
189 What the hell does Snowden need a passport for? He can just come across the Mexican border and go into the shadows...
He could easily get some terroristas to provide him with coyote service across the border...since he's done them such a solid.
Posted by: wheatie at July 01, 2013 03:20 PM (Jw4kG)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 01, 2013 03:20 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 03:21 PM (rbWk0)
Posted by: Wiserbud at July 01, 2013 03:21 PM (WCe8r)
I'll just wait to demonize him 'til the trial...to me the NSA story takes precedence until giggles cows Putin...
BWAHAHA
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:21 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 03:22 PM (zOTsN)
--
Has any evidence been introduced that corroborates that scenario? There hasn't been any to my knowledge but I haven't been able to follow the trial closely.
Of course, any jury is a wildcard, so I'm not suggesting the actual, verifiable truth will set Zimmerman free.
It's apparent the prosecution's case was brought about by political motives, but they can't flat out say that. So, what is their pretext, what is supposedly their evidence for bringing charges? Probably a rhetorical question.
Posted by: Mayday at July 01, 2013 03:22 PM (eHc+1)
Man....
wow nice
Even their 1912 flyer looks risky as hell....
bet he remembers it forever though.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:22 PM (LRFds)
Public: What's the process for droning American citizens? Doesn't that violate Article III section 3 of the Constitution?
Obama: We have top men on it. Top. Men.
This is the problem. The government that has proven it can't be trusted wants us now to trust them. Fat. Chance.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at July 01, 2013 03:22 PM (HBAcW)
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 01, 2013 03:23 PM (FdF0k)
Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 01, 2013 03:23 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 03:23 PM (O2PXL)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 01, 2013 03:24 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: CDR M at July 01, 2013 03:24 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: Cheri at July 01, 2013 03:25 PM (EAgmr)
None.....I swear and not as my rabid or sleep-deprived ROWR Sven persona...
I almost buy into the theory that the Prosecution is in fact running the defense's case while the family's civil lawyer thinks he's running the prosecution, and the defense is running the appeals foundation building case in the event the jury finds him guilty...
this trial is the strangest one I've seen tactically
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:25 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 03:25 PM (aB+tO)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 01, 2013 03:27 PM (0HooB)
Yup...
http://tinyurl.com/39gfwp
there's a compelling argument this guy got trapped in a hall of mirrors.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:27 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 03:27 PM (rbWk0)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 03:28 PM (8sCoq)
Several of those clones could attack me any time they wanted. Thanks AP.
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 01, 2013 03:28 PM (OSARm)
It was an amazing replica...
the fact two guys from Ohio who ran a bike shop conquered controlled powered flight is humbling.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:28 PM (LRFds)
Sorry guys, I gotta disagree here-- no due process, no stripping of rights.
I might be wrong but when you surreptitiously leave the country and then ask for asylum in another, shall we say less friendly country o e could reasonably construe that as having denounced your citizenship.
Ill have to ask Presnit Cartuh and Presnit Bubba.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 01, 2013 03:29 PM (jNNPU)
unless we make the disfavor as much about his party as him the taste though sweet is ephemeral....
I want him crying havoc
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:30 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 03:31 PM (rbWk0)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 01, 2013 03:32 PM (8sCoq)
--
Kinda reminds me of the OJ trial, in more ways than one.
Like Jimmy Carter, Marcia Cross has to be happy that someone else has taken over the Worst Ever title for her profession.
Posted by: Mayday at July 01, 2013 03:32 PM (eHc+1)
Poll: Obama's Approval Dives To Record Low
When it gets into the 30's, will Wolf Blitzed talk about it all night long like he did when W's got into that range?
/rhetorical
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 01, 2013 03:32 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Yip at July 01, 2013 03:33 PM (/jHWN)
Oh, bullshit. I was first.
Posted by: Icarus at July 01, 2013 03:33 PM (uLzrM)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 03:34 PM (rbWk0)
Posted by: Mayday at July 01, 2013 07:11 PM (eHc+1)
HELLOOOO?!?? He's a white hispanic. DUH!!!
Posted by: Minuteman at July 01, 2013 03:34 PM (lFfmN)
I almost buy into the theory that the Prosecution is in fact running the defense's case
I was listening to three local lawyer-types on the radio down here (it is a local story, serious you guys) and the moderator was getting the other's takes on today's proceedings.
One lady said, and I quote, "What the hell is the prosecution doing?"
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 01, 2013 03:36 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: torabora at July 01, 2013 03:37 PM (1B+Bx)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, creepy assed Florida Cowboy at July 01, 2013 03:38 PM (rbWk0)
Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2013 03:43 PM (furPs)
"Snowden Purportedly Issues Statement About His Peregrinations "
He has birds? Who takes care of them while he's out of the country?
Posted by: socalcon at July 01, 2013 03:49 PM (vHlQ5)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 01, 2013 03:49 PM (tmzN0)
Posted by: Marco Rubio at July 01, 2013 03:52 PM (AdfzU)
Posted by: doug at July 01, 2013 03:53 PM (uJ8q7)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 01, 2013 03:58 PM (pmDdf)
Posted by: someguy at July 01, 2013 04:05 PM (8XRrT)
Posted by: Erwin at July 01, 2013 04:29 PM (k+Dk7)
Posted by: Childhood Obesity at July 01, 2013 04:58 PM (q4QfH)
First off you would be required to violate either your oath to preserve and protect the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic(which you had to take to qualify for trusted contract employee of the Federal Government) or you have to violate your oath of secrecy - which you had to take to get a top secret clearance.
Everyone else who knew about PRISM decided to violate their preserve and protect oath and keep their oath of secrecy.
Nobody but me evidently realizes that all of those rat bastards are traitors who have given aid and comfort to domestic enemies of the Constitution by failing to divulge to us what was being done to us.
Is Snowden a traitor for violating his oath of secrecy? Sure. Is everyone else who failed to notify us also a traitor? Yep. Lots of people need to be hung over this.
Most people chose to keep their oath of secrecy because there are criminal penalties for violating that oath and not so obvious criminal penalties for violating the preserve and protect oath. In other words most people - out of simple cowardice - chose to join the conspiracy - rather than put themselves at risk by reporting it.
I have pointed out before that a Whistle blower in such a case has no legal method to report what he has discovered. The legal method assumes that the conspiracy does not reach all the way to the top of government; in this case that assumption fails and there is no legal Whistle Blowing path.
In fact even going to the US press fails since they are too busy fellating their tin god to run the story. The only sure way to blow the Whistle is to go to the non US press.
What do you do afterwards?
A. Try to hide
B. Try to hide - but set up and arsenal to go down shooting.
C. Bravely run away.
I'm an old man who lives by himself - I might have chosen option B. Lets see how that plays out. Hiding won't work - PRISM tells the feds who you are in short order so option A quickly fails and brings on the second part of option B. In which case everyone decides you are a simple traitor and criminal and dismisses what you said.
Option A winds up with you in some deep dark hidden dungeon while the administration claims you are a lying criminal and nobody believes what you said.
Option C is the only one that works the way it has.
Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 01, 2013 05:03 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: The Chicken at July 01, 2013 05:38 PM (Rmysl)
Posted by: UWP at July 01, 2013 06:27 PM (r98SZ)
"Yet the first two places he goes are China and Russia, our two biggest geo-political foes? "
Where else should he go? Pretty much the whole world now gets to play Czechoslovakia to America's Nazi Germany, with America crudely pushing around any "little" country that dares to get in its way. And it sounds like a lot of people here are okay with that situation. China and Russia are about the only places immune to Nazi America's pressure. I wouldn't want to go there either, but I can't see any happy alternatives.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at July 01, 2013 06:32 PM (FkH4y)
But you guys don't give a shit, you want to crucify this guy.
"I differed as a whistleblower to Snowden only in this respect: in accordance with the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act, I took my concerns up within the chain of command, to the very highest levels at the NSA, and then to Congress and the Department of Defense. I understand why Snowden has taken his course of action, because he's been following this for years: he's seen what's happened to other whistleblowers like me.
By following protocol, you get flagged – just for raising issues. You're identified as someone they don't like, someone not to be trusted. I was exposed early on because I was a material witness for two 9/11 congressional investigations. In closed testimony, I told them everything I knew – about Stellar Wind, billions of dollars in fraud, waste and abuse, and the critical intelligence, which the NSA had but did not disclose to other agencies, preventing vital action against known threats. If that intelligence had been shared, it may very well have prevented 9/11.
But as I found out later, none of the material evidence I disclosed went into the official record. It became a state secret even to give information of this kind to the 9/11 investigation." --- Thomas Drake
Posted by: The Chicken at July 01, 2013 06:41 PM (Rmysl)
I waiting for a flood of NSA/CIA analysts to shout "I am Snowden, and the Government is doing XXXXXXXX to US Citizens"
Posted by: Steven Tyler at July 01, 2013 07:00 PM (aMclx)
Posted by: En Raged at July 01, 2013 07:43 PM (68adH)
Posted by: En Raged at July 01, 2013 07:51 PM (68adH)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at July 01, 2013 09:02 PM (/+EhN)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at July 01, 2013 09:07 PM (/+EhN)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at July 01, 2013 09:09 PM (/+EhN)
Posted by: Baldy at July 01, 2013 11:13 PM (tyDFN)
Hide Comments | Add Comment | Refresh | Top
64 queries taking 0.3031 seconds, 390 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.
Posted by: kathysaysso at July 01, 2013 02:25 PM (6H6o8)