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May 28, 2013

So, Honestly: How Bad Did Arrested Development Disappoint You?
— Ace

At some point maybe I'll write an actual review, but the thing was just so misconceived and badly executed on top of that it would take a lot of words, and I know that you Morons hate words.

There are some bad consequences that flow from this major misfire:

1. As far as Arrested Development itself, the perfect ending of Season 3 is now undone. In its place is now this sprawling mess, with no ending, with an unsolved murder (well, whatever, suspected murder) and the Michael and George Michael now apparently hating each other and alienated.

2. And because Season 4 -- if you can call it that -- was so bad, there will not be a Season 5, nor a movie; so the series now ends, forever, with Season 4, with the family completely disintegrated and even the one unshakable bond in the series -- Michael's and George-Michael's relationship -- now shattered.

3. As appealing as the idea is of Netflix or other alternative content providers picking up old, beloved shows and doing a batch of new episodes, the Arrested Development failure will tend to keep such ventures from happening. No Firefly for you, probably, not after this Hot Mess.

This Daily Beast article discusses some of the reasons for the failure.

Even the liberals are knocking the laugh-free attempts at political edginess, too.

Posted by: Ace at 09:16 AM | Comments (320)
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1 Try, try again.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 28, 2013 09:17 AM (0HooB)

2 My day is complete.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 28, 2013 09:17 AM (0HooB)

3 I thought you were talking about my arrested development?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2013 09:18 AM (9Bj8R)

4 That bad. Well shit, there goes my day.

Posted by: Lee in KY at May 28, 2013 09:19 AM (jgXna)

5 Similar to Airwolf in the 80s. Three good seasons as a network show, saved from death by the USA network, but the fourth season USA gave us was an absolute turn-off to everybody.

Posted by: Food at May 28, 2013 09:19 AM (tuPiK)

6 Sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie.Or as Herman Munster said in Pet Semetary,"sometimes dead is better".

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:19 AM (9XBK2)

7 I've never seen one episode.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 28, 2013 09:20 AM (0HooB)

8 Did you watch the whole season already? I had a sinking feeling until I got to episode 5 and then everything started coming together.

Posted by: Hubris at May 28, 2013 09:20 AM (hiea7)

9 Well darn, I was thinking of looking into it.

But I guess not now? (Eh, maybe I will, my time has no value.)

As a related note, I was actually disappointed by Iron Man 3. It wasn't bad (it was entertaining enough) but I felt the plot was horribly mangled.

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 28, 2013 09:20 AM (mHwvc)

10 Have you watched the full season? I'm only to episode 6, but I think the show started a bit slow with the first two episodes, but has definitely started to pick up, especially with Tobias' episode.

Posted by: Lauren at May 28, 2013 09:21 AM (bIVQq)

11 I only got through the first episode of the new batch and didn't have the heart to continue.

I knew from the start that focusing each episode on a specific character wasn't going to work, and I'm an idiot. Why didn't they know?

Posted by: Kensington at May 28, 2013 09:22 AM (Yy2ZT)

12
Two words:

David. Cross.

Plus, it was a stupid show that the producers of Modern Family copied and greatly improved.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 28, 2013 09:22 AM (9Q7Nu)

13 This is why I always roll my eyes at people who want Calvin & Hobbes back.

Posted by: Jason at May 28, 2013 09:23 AM (6VB4r)

14 I was not that disappointed, certainly not on the level as the hype build up for star wars prequels. I've still got two episodes to go. At it's best it was just as good as anything from the original run, at it's worst I found my attention drifting from some of the character episodes (george sr. and lindsay mostly) I didn't like certain aspects, the Funke's innability to actually have affairs in the original run was sort of endearing. That's gone. I think they could have gotten down to maybe 10 good solid episodes if they had gone with the traditional format. What we got with all the fillers was a little hard to follow for hardcore fans, and very hard to follow for casual fans like my wife. We also got about 22 full TV episodes worth of content. If they trimmed out the recaps and repeat info, they'd have had 10 slam dunk funny episodes. Not knowing the ending, what I'm hearing is this is set up for A) a feature film (which I think might be a mistake for this show) or B) another limited series down the road. Scheduling must have been a nightmare. With something like Star Wars I needed like 3 or 4 viewings to try and convince myself it was good, before I realized what a steaming pile it was, with Indiana Jones IV that was gone, I practically walked out of the theater. This is genuinely enjoyed for the most part and would watch again down the road to try and catch some of the stuff going on in the background that leads to other plot points in the other episodes.

Posted by: dr. shatterhand at May 28, 2013 09:23 AM (n/ogz)

15 Plus Cross and Bateman are left wing fucktards.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:24 AM (9XBK2)

16 I haven't seen Iron Man 3, but I read a synopsis of the story and it sounds like they, yet again, went down that tedious "the real enemy is us" road.

Is that right?

Posted by: Kensington at May 28, 2013 09:24 AM (Yy2ZT)

17 The new season was great, but it really takes a long time to get rolling. Its a very different beast then the original stuff.

Posted by: Gaff at May 28, 2013 09:24 AM (jPS2y)

I should explain why I didn't like the first few episodes very much:

- Jason Bateman is probably underrated in his brilliance in playing his role, but despite his character's underappreciated quirks, his main genius is how he reacts to everyone. And other than George Michael, he wasnÂ’t reacting to other family members that much.

- In connection with the above, the whole Rashomon approach prevented the occurrence of ensemble interaction between large portions of the cast, which traditionally had created some of the best rapid-fire moments.

- Finally, my own biases in favor of certain charactersÂ—Gob, Lucille, and BusterÂ—made the initial episodes seem kinda empty due to their virtual absence.

Posted by: Hubris at May 28, 2013 09:24 AM (hiea7)

19
But didn't you know it would turn out exactly like Futurama and Family Guy?

You just can't resurrect these dead shows and expect them to be like they way were. It's like re-animating a corpse. And we all know how that turns out.

Posted by: mary shelley's frankensayer at May 28, 2013 09:25 AM (9Q7Nu)

20 >>>Have you watched the full season? I'm only to episode 6, but I think the show started a bit slow with the first two episodes, but has definitely started to pick up, especially with Tobias' episode. yes, I watched it all. I didn't like Tobias' episodes. There is some very scattered interest and humor in the remaining jokes. Be aware, the show does not end on a resolution. It ends with all cliffhangers. Which turns out to be wildly optimistic, as there will not be a resolution of any of them.

Posted by: ace at May 28, 2013 09:25 AM (LCRYB)

21 Side note I hated how they ended the original run, but mostly because I am a Coast Guard licensed Marine Engineer, and sailing the Queen Mary away from it's permanent mooring was a bridge too far for me.

Posted by: dr. shatterhand at May 28, 2013 09:25 AM (n/ogz)

22 16 Haven't seen it either but that's what I've read.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:25 AM (9XBK2)

23 Never watched it. Is this show really worth the time?

Posted by: Sphynx at May 28, 2013 09:26 AM (OZmbA)

24 I thought the Lindsay and George Sr. Episodes were weak. I still have the Buster and Finale to watch this evening when the kids are put to sleep.

Posted by: dr. shatterhand at May 28, 2013 09:27 AM (n/ogz)

25 Is this some kind of a joke review?

Because the sight gags were spot-on, the wordplay was top-notch, the "Rashomon"-style storyline made each reveal more worthwhile than the last, and there was adequate fealty to the original while still staking out new humorous ground.

I suspect that your standards are just a bit too high, given your clearly-projected nostalgia filter for the first three seasons.

And since when was Michael and George Michael's relationship "the only unshakable bond in the series?" Given Michael's barely-veiled disdain for his son's choice of girlfriend, his general overparenting (topped with a nice ribbon in season 4) and his general willingness to replace his son's aspirations with his own, the only thing missing was George Michael realizing that his father was as selfish and sociopathic as the rest of the Bluths.

Posted by: Lou at May 28, 2013 09:27 AM (xp1pq)

26 I'm not so sure, however, that this would preclude other such revivals. It's hard to believe that Joss Whedon, for example, would make the same types of mistakes that Mitchell Hurwitz apparently did here.

Rather, I think this will stand as a roadmap of how NOT to do this sort of thing in the future.

Posted by: Kensington at May 28, 2013 09:27 AM (Yy2ZT)

27 This just in, all is right with the world.

"A new report from the Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan research division of Congress, found that about 20 percent of laws passed in recent years were for naming post offices."

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 28, 2013 09:27 AM (Hx5uv)

28 JOHN KERRY: ISRAELÂ’S Â‘PROSPERITYÂ’ MAY BE BLOCKING PEACE PROCESS WITH PALESTINIANS Before last weekÂ’s meetings with IsraelÂ’s leadership, Secretary Kerry made the following statement to reporters (via the official State Department transcript): Â“I think there is an opportunity [for peace], but for many reasons itÂ’s not on the tips of everyoneÂ’s tongue. People in Israel arenÂ’t waking up every day and wondering if tomorrow there will be peace because there is a sense of security and a sense of accomplishment and of prosperity.Â” KerryÂ’s comments were delivered three days before his appearance at the World Economic Forum on the Middle East last Saturday. Almost immediately after making that statement, responses were posted online. The Jewish Press opined: So, Secretary Kerry thinks it would be better for Israel to approach negotiations from a position of precarious poverty? Does he think IsraelÂ’s quest for legitimacy and security in an unstable, over-armed and hostile region would be better received if Israel were a needy, insecure supplicant to Palestinian and Arab interests? Or that the Palestinians would have pity on an unnerved and anxious Israel struggling with a bankrupt, aid-dependent economy? Dumber than dog shit and he is ours? Good G-D?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2013 09:28 AM (9Bj8R)

29 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 28, 2013 09:28 AM (/PCJa)

30 The first three seasons are really good and worth watching if you haven't seen them and have Netflix.

The new season is basically one long eight hour episode. You may or may not like it if you expected it to end well (or at all, I guess) for the characters, but if you didn't realize the Bluth family nature is disaster then I don't know what to tell you.

Posted by: Gaff at May 28, 2013 09:29 AM (jPS2y)

31 Lord I hate fat bastard rino. Never misses an opportunity to be seen reliving Deliverance wit da Zero. Thinks he's Presidential material. Fucking bag of maggot grease.

Posted by: maddogg at May 28, 2013 09:29 AM (OlN4e)

32 Oh thank goodness, I was hoping there would be a thread on this! Thefirst ep was so bad, had I not been marathoning with a group of friends I'm not sure would have continued. Am about 2/3 of the way through. As the diff arcs get fleshed out is getting better, but definitely a strange way to tell things.

Some of the plotlines Insist Upon Themselves, which is annoying. And the way the different plots are told tells the punchlines of some of the jokes before we see the setup of the joke, which is bad storytelling. But the updates of familiar running gags were great, and I will always find ostriches funny, so well played show.

As far as the political "suckerpunches," as John Nolte would say: the Herman Cain/Mia Love politician was a dumb potshot. Are they really that frightened of black republican politicians? The one right leaning joke I've seen so far was cinco de quatro. I doubt many lib LIVs will get the Obama gaffe that it is making fun of, since the media does not let them be aware of their god's gaffes, but I did LOL at that.

Posted by: LizLem at May 28, 2013 09:30 AM (8wqqE)

33 Hollyweird don't care they think Donkey is t3h aw3som3

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 09:30 AM (LRFds)

34 If Firefly is revived it will be awful.Count on it.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:30 AM (9XBK2)

35 One big disappointment: Portia de la Rossi did not age well. I think maybe it was a lot of plastic surgery maybe, but she doesn't even look like the same person.

Posted by: Lauren at May 28, 2013 09:30 AM (bIVQq)

36 I have a horrible confession to make. I did nothing yesterday but watch the Soap Opera Network. They had a Veronica Mars marathon and I always liked that show.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 28, 2013 09:30 AM (Hx5uv)

37
Guess Im losing another skirmish in the "Battle of the Water Cooler".

Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2013 09:30 AM (nELVU)

38 not an Arrested Development fan myself, so no plans to watch this, but regarding Netflix, I did sit thru all 13 episodes of their original series Hemlock Cove. My god it was horrible, a real mess. I wrote them and thanked them for making the effort to come up with original content, but suggested that next time they start off with some top notch writing talent, which is something they didn't do with Hemlock Cove. Maybe it's the same with AR, I don't know.

Posted by: exceller at May 28, 2013 09:31 AM (ROGMG)

39 I haven't seen any of Arrested Development, so I can't speak to it. What I can say is this: things that are done without budget will (in general) be inferior to things that are done with budget. Also: things that are done without expectation of profit will (in general) be inferior to things that are done with expectation of profit. I'm pretty sure one or both of those apply to this project.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 28, 2013 09:31 AM (/PCJa)

40 I would punch a baby manatee in the face for a new season of Better Off Ted.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at May 28, 2013 09:31 AM (Gk3SS)

41 20 Ace,

in just 'ending" it is a lot more like life.....

real life doesn't really have nice linear plot resolution unless you're lucky

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 09:31 AM (LRFds)

42 28 Kerry is making Hillary's stint at Sec of State look better in retrospect.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:31 AM (9XBK2)

43 I absolutely loved it, right up until the end, which I hated. My children, who are fanatical fans of the show, loved it too -- also, until the end. The way they left everything hanging at the end felt like a betrayal of everything they had done up to that point.

Posted by: Raul Johnson at May 28, 2013 09:32 AM (MiBr0)

44 Also, don't start with episode 1. Its very jarring, especially if you had some vision in your head that Michael was better then the rest of the Bluth tribe, or that he wasn't very mistreating of his son when it suited his needs. Rewatch the original series and you'll see that very openly.

Watch the new season in this order: 3-2-1, then the rest in order.

Posted by: Gaff at May 28, 2013 09:32 AM (jPS2y)

45 >>>ason Bateman is probably underrated in his brilliance in playing his role, but despite his character's underappreciated quirks, his main genius is how he reacts to everyone. And other than George Michael, he wasnÂ’t reacting to other family members that much.- In connection with the above, the whole Rashomon approach prevented the occurrence of ensemble interaction between large portions of the cast, which traditionally had created some of the best rapid-fire moments. There are so many problems. This is a big one. One reviewer noted that the original was an ensemble show, and the reboot is not ensemble. Micheal was a master of reaction. What's he reacting too hear? No one, nothing. Because of this problem, in fact (that no one's actually with Michael most of the time) they make Michael pro-actively crazy and flawed, as if he's just GOB with better hair. >>>I didn't like certain aspects, the Funke's innability to actually have affairs in the original run was sort of endearing. That's gone. The whole reboot had an icky feeling of sourness to it. The old show was a bit silly in that sitcomy way where nothing bad really happens, where no one screws each other over so badly that some nice make-ups at the end can't repair the damage. That's all gone now. The show mistakes "darker" for "funnier." I was thinking, in cartoons (and AD is a cartoon, really), there's a Comedic Bubble of Invulnerability around the characters that permits you to laugh at their misfortune -- even though bugs bunny gets blown up by the bomb, you know it will just blacken his fur and he'll be okay a second later. This reboot decided to be "real" about consequences and such. I think the censors and "suits" at Fox kept Hurwitz from going with his most outrageous and/or "dark" notions. * SOMETIMES THE SUITS ARE RIGHT.* In fact, an awful lot of creativity is sparked when censors tell you "You can't say or do that;" you are forced to look for more interesting ways to get at the same things. without censors, Hurwitz went with his first take, which usually wasn't very interesting or funny, and it was often sour.

Posted by: ace at May 28, 2013 09:32 AM (LCRYB)

46 JOHN KERRY: ISRAELÂ’S Â‘PROSPERITYÂ’ MAY BE BLOCKING PEACE PROCESS WITH PALESTINIANS

***

Well, that and the Muslim blood in matzo balls.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 28, 2013 09:32 AM (Hx5uv)

47 40 Aww but manatee's are so cute,like the Chris Christies of the sea,but not Obama lovers.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:32 AM (9XBK2)

48 I haven't seen Iron Man 3, but I read a synopsis of the story and it sounds like they, yet again, went down that tedious "the real enemy is us" road.

You could take it that way, but I took it as more comic logic-Stark is a gazillionaire with gadgtets so the most interesting opponent he's going to have (strength on strength) is a gazillionaire with gadgets (tech based random superpowers, but still).

I liked the new Star Trek, despite the obvious corallary with our dealings with muslim freedom fighters (Klingons as Russia, the unnamed agent as Bin Laden), because A) Roddenberry was always preachy so as a fan I've already tuned that out and B) it was pretty well done as entertainment goes.

Posted by: Methos at May 28, 2013 09:33 AM (hO9ad)

49 35

I think Portia's had a bit of surgery between 2005 and now, somebody was telling me that was Ellen's doing.

She looked a lot better with the short haircut and the wig though.

Posted by: Gaff at May 28, 2013 09:33 AM (jPS2y)

50 I don't understand the Portia de Rossi thing. It's not like she's been out of the spotlight since Arrested Development originally ended. Just a few years ago she was on "Better Off Ted" and looked fine. Hot, even, if you go for the sort of ice queen thing she was doing there (and I do).

Posted by: Kensington at May 28, 2013 09:33 AM (Yy2ZT)

51 That show flat out sucked in season 1. Am glad I missed 2-4.

Posted by: Dale Gribble at May 28, 2013 09:33 AM (hKyl0)

52 If Firefly is revived it will be awful.Count on it. I sort of doubt that- Joss wants it, all the actors want it, and the writers want it. What's holding Firefly back isn't that no one wants to put it on TV (I've heard that ABC and CBS are both interested, for instance), but that Fox won't sell the rights. It would be piracy for Joss Whedon to make any new episodes of Firefly. (Consider the irony).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 28, 2013 09:33 AM (/PCJa)

53 28 JOHN KERRY: ISRAELÂ’S Â‘PROSPERITYÂ’ MAY BE BLOCKING PEACE PROCESS WITH PALESTINIANS --- Halp us Jon Kery! What a fucking idiot. Reading between the lines, he's saying "Israel's doing too good a job of protecting themselves to cut a deal with the Palestinians, who demand too much for what they are willing to do.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 09:34 AM (zA7Zp)

54 http://tinyurl.com/opxqehm

Al-WaPo sings the blues on the show...

"was a commie paradise and season 4 ruined it"

A lot like America was a venture paradise and well....

fuck you Al-WaPo

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 09:34 AM (LRFds)

55 How long before Fat bastard Rino is caught in a hot tub with Mikey Moore? Would there be room for any water? Who would play the man?

Posted by: maddogg at May 28, 2013 09:34 AM (OlN4e)

56 I've never seen one episode. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 28, 2013 01:20 PM (0HooB) Me neither, but the last season of Burn notice is beginning soon so their is that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 09:34 AM (XIxXP)

57 Lillyhammer was OK if you could get past Little Steven being able to whip people's asses even though he can barely walk.

Posted by: X at May 28, 2013 09:35 AM (KHo8t)

58 Posted by: Lauren at May 28, 2013 01:30 PM (bIVQq)

That's too bad, because in what little I have seen of her she is quite beautiful.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 09:35 AM (O6Tmi)

Wait.... wuh???

Just give me a call... I''l fix all your problems in 30 minutes or less!

Posted by: Dr. Huxtable at May 28, 2013 09:35 AM (lZBBB)

60 Watch out: the Daily Beast link is NSFW due to ads/links to other stories (or it was for me).

Posted by: lgw at May 28, 2013 09:35 AM (63wwk)

Hopefully the blubber would prevent brain damage. Plus, punching baby manatees has been proven to work in less than 20% of the cases studied.

Posted by: Beagle at May 28, 2013 09:35 AM (sOtz/)

62 I would punch a baby manatee in the face for a new season of Better Off Ted.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at May 28, 2013 01:31 PM (Gk3SS)

I agree with this.

My wife and I started watching this on a lark because we couldn't find anything else, and we were sad it was only one season.

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 28, 2013 09:35 AM (mHwvc)

63 52 Allen G,

Reason 4,567 on why if Dick "Dick" Durbin gets to "revisit the Constitutional Convention" I am pondering "revisiting IP and abandoned ware" issues

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 09:35 AM (LRFds)

64
John Kerry: Israelis love their money too much to bother with peace.

Posted by: mary shelley's frankensayer at May 28, 2013 09:35 AM (9Q7Nu)

65 So this is going to be like the ending of the sopronos? Some will get it, most won't. Quite frankly, arrested development was always slightly overrated. Not much but some.

Posted by: kreplach at May 28, 2013 09:35 AM (49lPc)

66 >>As far as the political "suckerpunches," as John Nolte would say: the Herman Cain/Mia Love politician was a dumb potshot.

I guess we're going to diverge on that, then. I thought the Herbert Love character was both hilarious and fair game. I didn't see any reference in the character to Mia Love besides the name, so I think that's coincidental.

If you're going to watch a show like Arrested Development through a political filter, you may as well quit now - how many Iraq jokes did they make in the original run?

Posted by: Lou at May 28, 2013 09:36 AM (xp1pq)

67 Kerry was safe in the Senate, being one stupid boob among a college of clowns and halfwits. Now that he's exposed it will become painfully obvious that Biden is an intellectual giant compared to Kerry.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 28, 2013 09:36 AM (8ZskC)

68 "Israel's doing too good a job of protecting themselves to cut a deal with the Palestinians, who demand too much for what they are willing to do."

---

Funny that. Ever notice how all the "principled" movements fall apart apart over how to divvy the cash.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2013 09:36 AM (nELVU)

69 I didn't hate it. There were definitely some scenes where I laughed out loud. It's better than most of the sitcoms currently in tv. I'm still three episodes short of finishing it though.

Posted by: Ben at May 28, 2013 09:36 AM (LobsG)

70 Well, that and the Muslim blood in matzo balls.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 28, 2013 01:32 PM (Hx5uv)

One more example of the stupidity of the Muslim world.

We use the blood of Christian babies.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 09:36 AM (O6Tmi)

71 In fact, an awful lot of creativity is sparked when censors tell you "You can't say or do that;" you are forced to look for more interesting ways to get at the same things. corollary, sometimes subtext should remain subtext.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 09:36 AM (qPCAa)

72 Is it bad to admit I've never seen even 5 minutes of an episode?

Because, come on.......we're not talking "The Godfather" or "Road Warrior" here are we?

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 09:37 AM (GQ8sn)

73 My god it was horrible, a real mess. I wrote them and thanked them for making the effort to come up with original content, but suggested that next time they start off with some top notch writing talent, which is something they didn't do with Hemlock Cove. Maybe it's the same with AR, I don't know. Posted by: exceller at May 28, 2013 01:31 PM (ROGMG)

Oh the book is actually even more of a mess than the series. Now, I liked it but I like Twin Peaks and Eli Roth so adding them together was sure to be a complete hot mess. Luckily, I have a fondness for that. I am amused by people who try to make it make sense or follow some type of internal logic. Not so much.

To pick up on ace's point about censors, there was an interview with Eli Roth where he discussed that everyone assumed that because it was on Netflix and he could do anything he wanted that he would do anything he wanted. He and the others on the show made a conscious choice to try to reel back some of the ideas specifically because even for the king of torture flicks, just doing anything is boring.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at May 28, 2013 09:37 AM (Gk3SS)

74 Are the Hot Cops in any of the episodes? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 28, 2013 09:37 AM (+lsX1)

75 The real problem is Netflix. They want to break into the production side, but have little experience and less funding. So they tried to recreate the show on the cheap, with cheap results. Filming actors on a green screen and stripping them into other actors' scenes? What kind of local cable access bush-league shit is that? The only winner in this is David Cross, who finally got a payday not involving blowing a dude in a bus station shithouse.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 28, 2013 09:37 AM (hQDZW)

76 Not that anyone cares but seeing The Office go in the shitter gave me a sad.

I wish they could just end good shows on top BBC style.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2013 09:38 AM (KXm42)

77 "What's holding Firefly back isn't that no one wants to put it on TV (I've heard that ABC and CBS are both interested, for instance), but that Fox won't sell the rights."
===============

Well, there's also the small problem of a little show called "Castle" that would interfere with one of the more important Firefly player's ability to participate, too.

Posted by: Kensington at May 28, 2013 09:38 AM (Yy2ZT)

78 How long before Fat bastard Rino is caught in a hot tub with Mikey Moore? Would there be room for any water? Who would play the man? Posted by: maddogg at May 28, 2013 01:34 PM (OlN4e) I'm glad I just finished lunch. I'm trying to figure a sex position. 69? Nope, bellies would preclude oral. Doggy? Nope, I doubt either penis is the 12-16 inches necessary to penetrate the fat. Asshole licking is all that is left. Bummer.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 09:38 AM (XIxXP)

79 Scheduling must have been a nightmare.

Posted by: dr. shatterhand at May 28, 2013 01:23 PM (n/ogz)

From what I've read it was; almost everyone had other projects they were working on, so they had to shoot it around all those scheduling conflicts. Which is too bad; it meant that chances to write scenes where the whole ensemble can be together to bounce their energies off each other was limited, which is a shame. I think it really does hurt the final product a bit. But the more eps I watch the more I enjoy, despite that loss.

Posted by: LizLem at May 28, 2013 09:38 AM (8wqqE)

80 We use the blood of Christian babies.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 01:36 PM (O6Tmi)

So easy when you are the leading doctor at a hospital for children.

Posted by: Beagle at May 28, 2013 09:39 AM (sOtz/)

81 "I have made a huge mistake." - Person is responsible for Season 4

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2013 09:39 AM (0qqnb)

82 I'm worried that the Kardashians will fade away. What will happen to our nation then? Everyone will be, like, you know, zombies and stuff.

Posted by: Soona at May 28, 2013 09:39 AM (tY0y0)

83 Eh. As far as I'm concerned, the Star Wars prequels and most of season 5 of Babylon 5 simply don't exist. What has been seen can, in fact, be unseen if you're stubborn enough.

Posted by: joncelli at May 28, 2013 09:39 AM (RD7QR)

84 In fact, an awful lot of creativity is sparked when censors tell you "You can't say or do that;" you are forced to look for more interesting ways to get at the same things.

Bounds tend to focus creativity. At least that's what the geniuses behind all the SNES rpgs seem to say (you wouldn't think emotions could be more effectively conveyed in pixels than the whiz-bang we've got going now, but Square's done its best to prove otherwise).

Posted by: Methos at May 28, 2013 09:40 AM (hO9ad)

85 Funny that. Ever notice how all the "principled" movements fall apart apart over how to divvy the cash. --- Israel has the added problem of which group they'll negotiate with. The People's Front of Judea, the Judean People's Front, the Popular People's Front...

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 09:40 AM (zA7Zp)

86 >>> And since when was Michael and George Michael's relationship "the only unshakable bond in the series?" Given Michael's barely-veiled disdain for his son's choice of girlfriend, his general overparenting (topped with a nice ribbon in season 4) and his general willingness to replace his son's aspirations with his own, the only thing missing was George Michael realizing that his father was as selfish and sociopathic as the rest of the Bluths. this is Jumped-Up Noob nonsense. The first take on the show is that Michael Bluth is the show's moral center. The second take -- from teh Jumped-Up Noobs -- is that "michael is just as bad as the rest of them." The third, accurate take is that Michael Bluth is the show's moral center. Yes, he has flaws -- he is occasionally selfish, and he does over-parent George Michael, and sure, he does attempt to impose HIS idea of what his son should be on his son (much like any other parent, actually) -- but only a Jumped-Up Noob could watch the show and think Michael is Just As Bad as all of them. Nonsense. He's the most honest, reliable, trustworthy, ethical, caring and selfless of them all. Is Michael AS GOOD as Michael thinks he is? No, he's not, and therein lies most of the humor of Michael, the gap between what he is (pretty good) and what he thinks he is (saintly). But only someone who knows the show primarily from Jumped-Up Noob Criticism can actually mouth dumb things like "Michael is just as bad as the rest." Michael would never get into the shower with his own son, for example. That's just out of character. Michael is not some kind of Body-Free Hippie; he's a repressed sort of guy. That's something that GOB might do. The show just seemed to have been written by people who barely watched the show. Strange, I know, as it was written by its creator. Then again, the AD-style show "Running Wilde," by Mitch Hurwitz and with Will Arnett, maybe showed that Mitch Hurwitz wasn't really the guy coming up with all the best ideas.

Posted by: ace at May 28, 2013 09:40 AM (LCRYB)

87 I would punch a baby manatee in the face for a new season of Better Off Ted.

I would punch a baby seal (with the big eyes) in the face for another season of Breaking Bad.

In fact, two baby seals with black eyes for two more seasons!

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 09:40 AM (GQ8sn)

88 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 01:38 PM (XIxXP)

Well, thank you for that trenchant analysis. I think I'll go throw up now.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 09:40 AM (O6Tmi)

89 " 40 I would punch a baby manatee in the face for a new season of Better Off Ted.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at May 28, 2013 01:31 PM (Gk3SS)"

I dsicovered that on Netflix last month, loved it.

Posted by: SCOAMF Returns at May 28, 2013 09:40 AM (QcCyH)

90 It was already grown stale and tired in the 3rd season, I was surprised they were going for a 4th. You know a show's done when a character's quirks Frankenstein them into an ugly caricature of their former selves.

Posted by: JohnW at May 28, 2013 09:40 AM (FpUC1)

@ my 80

That's a joke, btw. A metaconspiracy analysis which is actually absurd. Before anyone runs with it in Iran or Dearborn.

Posted by: Beagle at May 28, 2013 09:41 AM (sOtz/)

92 Posted by: joncelli at May 28, 2013 01:39 PM (RD7QR) ad to this Buffy season 7, parts of 6, and Angel season 5. As for Firefly, I'm glad it's done. It's perfect how it is. If they make more it will be a travesty.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 09:41 AM (qPCAa)

What has been seen can, in fact, be unseen if you're stubborn enough.

Posted by: joncelli at May 28, 2013 01:39 PM (RD7QR)

Nah.....

Posted by: Roseanne Barr at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (lZBBB)

94 CARACAS, VENEZUELA Â— A Venezuelan police official says a military attachÃ© at the U.S. Embassy has been injured in a shooting. The official said that Roberto Ezequiel Rosas was shot in the right leg during an argument when he was leaving a night club in the Chacao district of Caracas. She said he was taken to a local hospital. His condition was not immediately clear. The official spoke Tuesday on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to release the information publicly. Embassy officials didnÂ’t immediately answer requests for comment. Crime is a serious problem for Venezuela, which has one of the worldÂ’s highest murder rates. VenezuelaÂ’s government expelled two U.S. military attachÃ©s in March for allegedly talking to members of the countryÂ’s armed forces. Washington responded by ejecting two Venezuelan diplomats.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (9Bj8R)

95 not an Arrested Development fan myself, so no plans to watch this, but regarding Netflix, I did sit thru all 13 episodes of their original series Hemlock Cove. My god it was horrible, a real mess.

You poor bastard. What would inspire you to undergo such torture? There is no word in the English language to describe how unbearably horrid it was.

I made it 3/4 of the way through the second episode. At that point I had to make a decision- stop watching, or hunt down every single person associated with the show and mercilessly torture them.

I'm not convinced I made the right decision in just turning it off. It's like a great wrong is going unpunished.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (SY2Kh)

96 Haven't seen it, but would love to hear Ace's thiughts on Psych's past two seasons.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (5H6zj)

97 Well, thank you for that trenchant analysis. I think I'll go throw up now. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 01:40 PM (O6Tmi) Whose your buddy? Whose your pal? I am.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (XIxXP)

98 Eh. As far as I'm concerned, the Star Wars prequels and most of season 5 of Babylon 5 simply don't exist. What has been seen can, in fact, be unseen if you're stubborn enough.

The prequels are so bad my memory simply didn't record any of it.

Go ahead ask me anything. I won't know.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (KXm42)

99 It was a great show.... I loved it.... Was looking forward to the new one... Not surprised to hear it sucked... Guess I won't bother watching it.... Creeps me out that Portia is they with Ellen.... She should be with someone hotter....

Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (rymCg)

100 Firefly doesn't need to come back. First, Serenity is a good enough capstone. Second, Joss Whedon is an Alliance man at heart. (Although if Tim Minear and Adam Baldwin took over script duties...)

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (Ihnyc)

101 I would punch a baby seal...

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 01:40 PM (GQ8sn)

You don't punch baby seals....you club them.

Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (O6Tmi)

102 Well, I didn't watch it before, therefore the expectation levels were low. I didn't watch the new one, so I can't say that I was disappointed at all.

And there you go.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (xmcEQ)

103 Plus how do you get around the death of both Wash and Shepherd, I was bummed by the Mandarin mcguffin, although not terribly surprised this had been a pattern in the previous two films

Posted by: Admiral Marcus at May 28, 2013 09:42 AM (Jsiw/)

104 Kinda like Futurerama being picked up by Comedy Central--and promptly sucking ass.

And I want to know who in the hell are the people who continue to provide the ratings to justify Fox's Sunday night lineup?

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 28, 2013 09:43 AM (VjL9S)

105 The official said that Roberto Ezequiel Rosas was shot in the right leg during an argument when he was leaving a night club in the Chacao district of Caracas. She said he was taken to a local hospital. His condition was not immediately clear. Pay the trannys and ya don't get shot.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 09:43 AM (XIxXP)

106 Before anyone runs with it in Iran or Dearborn.

Posted by: Beagle at May 28, 2013 01:41 PM (sOtz/)

Much too late.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 09:43 AM (O6Tmi)

107 I'm about halfway through the season. It's made me laugh a few times.

Posted by: Slublog at May 28, 2013 09:43 AM (0nqdj)

108 You don't punch baby seals....you club them.

Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 01:42 PM (O6Tmi)

Clubbing is for fags.

Real men use their fists!

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 09:44 AM (GQ8sn)

109 As far as the political "suckerpunches," as John Nolte would say: the Herman Cain/Mia Love politician was a dumb potshot.

The actual Herman Cain was a parody of a politician, so this would be more of a meta-joke than a potshot. Maybe a callback. I'm not really up on joke classifications.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 28, 2013 09:44 AM (+lsX1)

110 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 28, 2013 01:37 PM (hQDZW)

I'm not sure how Netflix Nailed House of Cards so well given this.

I think the problem is Netflix had a budget for one flagship series. They did HoC, everything else coming after that is going to suffer from budget drain problems.

Of course NF could solve this if they can get a few people to sign up and forget their paying for it (which I think I'm doing sometimes.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 28, 2013 09:44 AM (mHwvc)

111 CDB You win the internetz

Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui at May 28, 2013 09:44 AM (rymCg)

112 As for Firefly, I'm glad it's done. It's perfect how it is. If they make more it will be a travesty.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 01:41 PM (qPCAa)

Watched a bunch of the old 'Have Gun Will Travel' episodes last weekend...

Could you imagine them trying to remake THAT?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 28, 2013 09:44 AM (lZBBB)

113 I only skimmed the post because I'm only at episode 6. Very disappointing. Also I think they referenced President Obama as being President during what they had established as 2006.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 28, 2013 09:44 AM (ZshNr)

114 Never could get into A.D. Watched part of one show. I don't get it.. I'm not in the target audience I guess. Too cynical.

Posted by: Yip at May 28, 2013 09:44 AM (/jHWN)

115 I will make myself watch the rest of Arrested Development eventually, because I *am* curious to see how dark it gets, but my goodness! I was completely receptive to the first new episode, and I don't even think I cracked a smile once. It just sort of...played out and then ended.

Posted by: Kensington at May 28, 2013 09:45 AM (Yy2ZT)

116 Firefly doesn't need to come back.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 01:42 PM (Ihnyc)

Morena Baccarin.

That's your damned reason.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 09:45 AM (O6Tmi)

117 Battlestar Galactica syndrome. The ending was so awful, it ruined the entire series for me forever.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 28, 2013 09:45 AM (Qh3pQ)

118 Firefly is never coming back. There is no where for the story to go. The life and times of a tramp freighter as the crew wanders about in search of a job? Where is the drama in that? What? Turn the show into a version of 'The A Team"?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at May 28, 2013 09:45 AM (s70YM)

119 Another show I never watched, but was told I needed to:

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Did I miss anything?

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 09:45 AM (GQ8sn)

120 tell us how you really feel, don't hold back,

Posted by: Admiral Marcus at May 28, 2013 09:45 AM (Jsiw/)

121 Shit always fails when people attempt to go back and regain the previous cult popularity. *holds up carcass of Boondock Saints 2*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 28, 2013 09:46 AM (r05qE)

122 112 It's being done,by David Mamet for CBS.I have a feeling it will be moved to a modern setting though.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:46 AM (9XBK2)

123 *holds up carcass of Boondock Saints 2*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 28, 2013 01:46 PM (r05qE)

Ding dong, bitches! Ding dong!!!

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 09:46 AM (GQ8sn)

124 And I want to know who in the hell are the people who continue to provide the ratings to justify Fox's Sunday night lineup? --- I think the syndication rights make up a huge chunk of what is keeping that afloat. You don't have to make huge ratings on a show if you can make a shit-ton of money on the secondary market selling packages of episodes, which they've been doing for The Simpsons for years.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 09:46 AM (zA7Zp)

125 "Also I think they referenced President Obama as being President during what they had established as 2006."
===============

Obama has always been President. We just weren't worthy enough to notice before 2009.

Besides, how could you ever have expected a bunch of Hollywood liberals to contain their excitement?

Posted by: Kensington at May 28, 2013 09:46 AM (Yy2ZT)

126 Morena Baccarin. That's your damned reason. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 01:45 PM (O6Tmi) A spin off would be perfectly okay. The wacky exploits of a traveling courtesan.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 09:47 AM (qPCAa)

127 Damn. I've only seen the first episode. Was immediately taken aback at what a quisling our everyman hero Michael had become. I thought he was supposed to be the normal guy behaving doing his best to do the right thing while surrounded by his selfish, lying, insane, thief family members. I thought a principle of shows like this was you have to have at least one normal guy for the audience to identify with and root for.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 09:47 AM (ZPrif)

128 I watched it all. The first 3-5 episodes were disappointing, but it got better. One of the biggest mistakes was that none of the episodes stand on their own. The writers were too caught up in making a series and forgot that you need to make people want to sit through it all. Worse, it was a big build up to not much. The last episode was probably the worst. If your going to spend 14 show building something up, you'd better deliver. I didn't hate it, since there we some good one liners and other bits, once you got past the first 3- 5 episodes. I think the concept could have worked, if they had decent writers and put more focus on the individual episodes. The single character focus could have been fine, if it was more about perspective and kept the interplay between the core characters.

Posted by: Damiano at May 28, 2013 09:47 AM (Dbee2)

129 Did I miss anything? Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 01:45 PM (GQ8sn) If you consider the psychosis of a smart assed Hollywood liberal jew something then, yep. Otherwise, nope.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 09:47 AM (XIxXP)

130 Breaking Bad is premiering in August!

Come on AMC!!!! Stop fucking around.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 09:47 AM (GQ8sn)

131

.... gee.... while we're at it.... mebbee a remake of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" is in order.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2013 09:47 AM (nELVU)

132 I never watched the show, but I heard that one of the new episodes has a fake MST3k episode in it at some point. They actually got Joel and the first Crow to riff on the 1994 Fantastic Four.

Posted by: Shoot Me at May 28, 2013 09:48 AM (qiXMt)

133 I was thinking of comparing the efforts to resurrect a series to Dr. Who but then I realized that show is setup where no original actors are needed to move things along.

I would like to see Firefly come back. But can't get excited about AD, never got into the show. I've only been interested in hearing how it would be received on Netflix since that could mean some good stuff happening in that regard (I'm one of the few who would love to see Star Trek Enterprise get a 5th season on Netflix but I'm afraid that if it did happen it would end up like AD apparently has since everyone moved on long ago)

Posted by: Arcadehero at May 28, 2013 09:48 AM (27BfC)

134 TV will break your heart and I think that's because writers end up hating their audience even more than the characters the audience grows attached to, and they delight in breaking your heart.

The perfect ending of Season 2 of Swedish Wallander will be completely ruined by the final third season. And I will go back for my heart-stabbing like any good thorn bird.

Posted by: SarahW at May 28, 2013 09:48 AM (LYwCh)

135 Did I miss anything?

It was a more cynical Seinfeld with 400% more yelling, and some swearing .

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2013 09:48 AM (KXm42)

136 Besides, how could you ever have expected a bunch of Hollywood liberals to contain their excitement?Posted by: Kensington at May 28, 2013 01:46 PM (Yy2ZT)

I only wish they could contain their excrement.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2013 09:48 AM (Quyce)

137 117 Battlestar Galactica syndrome. The ending was so awful, it ruined the entire series for me forever. --- That one was a mixed bag. The last half-season of the show was pretty much a waste, in that they couldn't explain a goddamn thing, but they had some pretty good individual moments. Then again, I'm biased because Dean Stockwell was gnawing the scenery in all of his scenes, especially his final one.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 09:48 AM (zA7Zp)

138 I'd be happy if they renewed Franklin and Bash. That show was funny.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 28, 2013 09:49 AM (0HooB)

139 This stuff is subjective but I never want to even see the Star Trek reboots or Prometheus.Never watched a Terminator movie after the second one,never will.Alien 3 and 4 never happened.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:49 AM (9XBK2)

140 Wilfred has a new season starting.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 09:49 AM (XIxXP)

141 That one was a mixed bag.

The last half-season of the show was pretty much a waste, in that they couldn't explain a goddamn thing, but they had some pretty good individual moments.

Then again, I'm biased because Dean Stockwell was gnawing the scenery in all of his scenes, especially his final one.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 01:48 PM (zA7Zp)

The ending made BG a four and a half year long sermon. Think about it.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 09:49 AM (GQ8sn)

142 Alien 3 and 4 never happened. --- David Fincher insists that this is true and will walk out of any attempt to convince him otherwise.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 09:50 AM (zA7Zp)

143 Firefly ended when the crew entered a wormhole. Captain Mail found himself stuck in the past on earth, with only a cache of cheap mystery novels from the future. He uses these to become a novelist in modern day America.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 09:50 AM (ZPrif)

144

>>most of season 5 of Babylon 5

Speaking of B5, the link in my name was really depressing.

Posted by: Mama AJ, 'merican moron at May 28, 2013 09:50 AM (SUKHu)

145 Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 01:49 PM (9XBK2)

Prometheus is worth watching: if just for the excellent production values and some good character actors.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 09:50 AM (O6Tmi)

146 The ending made BG a four and a half year long sermon. Think about it. --- I try not to look for an overarching message in the show since they were clearly making shit up as they went along. The Robot Chicken episode where every single character on the show had the "I'm a Cylon!" reveal pretty much covers the writing process they had.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 09:51 AM (zA7Zp)

147 A spin off would be perfectly okay. The wacky exploits of a traveling courtesan. Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 01:47 PM (qPCAa In fact they should have Kaylee travel around with her to fix her little ship and it could be like Laverne and Shirley.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 09:51 AM (qPCAa)

148 36 I have a horrible confession to make. I did nothing yesterday but watch the Soap Opera Network. They had a Veronica Mars marathon and I always liked that show.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 28, 2013 01:30 PM (Hx5uv)

No shame necessary, that show was awesome. Rob's writing the VM movie update so I have high hopes it will be good, but AD's new season is definitely reminding me to temper my aspirations a tad.

Posted by: LizLem at May 28, 2013 09:51 AM (8wqqE)

149 >>. didn't hate it, since there we some good one liners and other bits, once you got past the first 3- 5 episodes. the only jokes I like and remember are: 1. Ostrich 2. Thanksgiving Miracle 3. Michael's "light aircraft on the freeway lie," and how G-M then feeds him back the same lie, and how Michael gets angry about it. However, especially on the latter: Rather than punchlines of these jokes coming quickly upon the set-up, they're all fragmented over like 2-3 episodes, which is... weird. I actually think the Michael/George-Michael lie escalation bit could be a classic interaction, *were such a simple thing not split up into three (3!!!) different episodes."

Posted by: ace at May 28, 2013 09:51 AM (LCRYB)

150 >>The third, accurate take is that Michael Bluth is the show's moral center. Yes, he has flaws -- he is occasionally selfish, and he does over-parent George Michael, and sure, he does attempt to impose HIS idea of what his son should be on his son (much like any other parent, actually) -- but only a Jumped-Up Noob could watch the show and think Michael is Just As Bad as all of them.

Well, excuse me for being a "Jumped-up Noob," but one of Michael Bluth's very first lines in the show is a dismissive crack at his mother's appearance. He's clearly aiming for the moral high ground, but never seems to get there. He's one of the most flagrant liars in the show, not because he lies for no reason like Gob, but because he always has to cover his tracks. He's got serious communication problems with his son, which is why he doesn't find out about Maeby and George Michael until the last episode.

At the slightest temptation, he'll abandon whatever lofty pursuits he has and roll over his other family members to get to them (see: Marta). It's only because of his shallowness and projected bravado that he doesn't figure Rita out until their wedding, and it's actually treated as a momentous occasion when he decides not to sell his family down the river at the mock trial.

You're wrong, and you should feel bad about being wrong. Noob.

Posted by: Lou at May 28, 2013 09:51 AM (xp1pq)

151 BSG touted a grand "plan.". The plan was never revealed or explained. Kind of a big thing to forget.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 28, 2013 09:51 AM (Qh3pQ)

152 I can't ever watch Lost again, as the writers had it in for the audience and enjoyed their cheap jilt too much. Netflix might as well have skipped that one.

Posted by: SarahW at May 28, 2013 09:51 AM (LYwCh)

153 BG -- miniseries great. First season good. Rest sucked.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 09:52 AM (ZPrif)

154 Watched a bunch of the old 'Have Gun Will Travel' episodes last weekend...

Could you imagine them trying to remake THAT?

***

Paladin would counsel Brokeback Mountain cowboys to not be ashamed of their love and shoot h8ters.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 28, 2013 09:52 AM (Hx5uv)

155 148 A spin off would be perfectly okay. The wacky exploits of a traveling courtesan. Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 01:47 PM (qPCAa In fact they should have Kaylee travel around with her to fix her little ship and it could be like Laverne and Shirley. --- I insist that Kaylee have to become a "Companion" trainee in order to afford the parts to fix the ship.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 09:52 AM (zA7Zp)

156 "I'd be happy if they renewed Franklin and Bash. That show was funny."
===============

They did! And they added Heather Locklear to the cast!

Posted by: Kensington at May 28, 2013 09:52 AM (Yy2ZT)

157 Of course NF could solve this if they can get a few people to sign up and forget their paying for it (which I think I'm doing sometimes.) Posted by: tsrblke (work) at May 28, 2013 01:44 PM (mHwvc) ------------------ What kind of RINO pays for the entertainment they consume? A true conservative would have downloaded it from the Pirate Bay. Which will also somehow ensure high quality entertainment in the future.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 28, 2013 09:52 AM (hQDZW)

158 Prometheus is worth watching: if just for ~~the excellent production values and some good character actors~~ Charlize Theron. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2013 01:50 PM (O6Tmi) Fixed

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 28, 2013 09:52 AM (r05qE)

159 147 Brandon in BR,

Moore is a Twatwaffle, that is all....

The pilot was awesome, and captured by far the best of "Carrier in Space"

every episode after the first 4 was chipping away the good.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 09:53 AM (LRFds)

160 This stuff is subjective but I never want to even see the Star Trek reboots or Prometheus.Never watched a Terminator movie after the second one,never will.Alien 3 and 4 never happened.

How about AvP:Requiem?

Posted by: Methos at May 28, 2013 09:53 AM (hO9ad)

161

I like True Blood. But I find it to be a comedy. Also addicted to Boardwalk Empire and Game of Thrones. Stupid HBO is supporting the entire pay cable industry in our house, because it's cheaper to buy more than you actually want. If HBO screws up up the dish gets it.

But Vikings. They drag me back in. History is pretty low down in the TV options though I believe.

Posted by: Beagle at May 28, 2013 09:53 AM (sOtz/)

162 158 EoJ,

I'm a RiNO then....

I pay for my kicks...I don't elect SCOAMFs to shake down folk.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 09:53 AM (LRFds)

163 Prometheus? bah. I'll take a rubber puppet ruining breakfast over any of those "great production values"

Posted by: SarahW at May 28, 2013 09:54 AM (LYwCh)

164 Yeah, the shower thing was totally weird and jarringly out of character.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 09:54 AM (ZPrif)

165 Government agents shut down IranÂ’s largest Persian-language Pentecostal church Monday, just one week after one of its pastors was arrested and hauled away midway through a worship service. The closing of Central Assemblies of God church in Tehran is the latest case of the Islamic RepublicÂ’s leadership cracking down on Christians ahead of the June 14 presidential election to replace President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Leaders appear especially wary of groups deemed dangerous to their power base, including growing Christian churches, according to Iranian Christians and rights groups who spoke to BosNewsLife, a news agency that specializes in the plight of Christians in Middle Eastern nations. "These incidents appear to be an attempt to stop worship services from being conducted in Farsi, the language of the majority of Iranians," George Wood, general superintendent of the AoG in the U.S., told the service. "Services are allowed in Armenian, a minority language that most Iranians do not speak or even understand." And from the Christian World: Crickets

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2013 09:54 AM (9Bj8R)

166 I loved Alien v Predator v Jason v Freddy.

Not the first one. The reboot.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (KXm42)

167 Watched a bunch of the old 'Have Gun Will Travel' episodes last weekend... Could you imagine them trying to remake THAT? *** Paladin would counsel Brokeback Mountain cowboys to not be ashamed of their love and shoot h8ters. Posted by: WalrusRex at May 28, 2013 01:52 PM (Hx5uv) If they would get Raylon a precocious son It would be like 21st century Andy Griffith.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (XIxXP)

168 152 Wyatt Earp,

Now now what cunning plan did the "supermen and women" come up with?

"Kill all the humans"...no seriously Lsharted like Roker after Taco Bell

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (LRFds)

169 BSG touted a grand "plan.". The plan was never revealed or explained.

Cylons = Obama

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (/gHaE)

170 Vikings is awesome. EOM

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (Qh3pQ)

171

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 01:50 PM (zA7Zp)

I stand with Fincher. Or get up and walk out with him as the case demands.

Posted by: SarahW at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (LYwCh)

172 Also, it's been mentioned up-thread, but "Hemlock Grove" really is terrible.

Posted by: Slublog at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (0nqdj)

173 161 Good Lord.The AvP movies are so bad I've tried to blot any memory of them from my mind.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (9XBK2)

174 Hellboy 2 did suck.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (ZPrif)

175 So is this thread going to degenerate into Kaylee / Inara slash fantasies? Because if so....

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (Ihnyc)

176 Speaking of B5, the link in my name was really depressing.

Thanks Mama AJ.

Did not ever guess that was the reason why Sinclair's character left. It makes sense now.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 09:55 AM (GQ8sn)

177 169 OSP,

Raylan's 'sposed to have two...and he HATES Gary pretty hard and is not bothered at all he's rid of Wynoma

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 09:56 AM (LRFds)

178 Too cruel, Methos, barrel?

Posted by: Admiral Marcus at May 28, 2013 09:56 AM (Jsiw/)

179 Purpose - Then his cortex wiring has shorted out.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 28, 2013 09:56 AM (Qh3pQ)

180 As long as we're writing off final seasons, can we pretend that they didn't make the 2nd an 3rd Matrix movies?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2013 09:56 AM (0qqnb)

181 But Vikings.They drag me back in.History is pretty low down in the TV options though I believe. Posted by: Beagle at May 28, 2013 01:53 PM (sOtz/) I LOVE VIKINGS!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 09:56 AM (XIxXP)

182 I never even gave AD a try so I can't comment. However I do think there's something to this bringing it back not equaling as good stuff. Family Guy per-cancellation was awesome. Post? it was unfunny and only poke at one side of the political spectrum which happen to be the side I was on. It's funny after a bit but then it starts getting tired and boring when you realize your the only butt of the jokes.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (yAor6)

183 Dark Skies -- Close Encounters done by a high school film club.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (/gHaE)

184 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 28, 2013 01:52 PM (hQDZW)

I never understood the whole "Conservatives shouldn't support copyright" thing people pushed. (I know you're mocking it, but it raises the point.)

Sure copyright has moved into pure corporatism thanks to Disney but that doesn't mean copyright isn't a good thing at it's core (it's just been perverted.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (mHwvc)

185 Just checked NF, I've watched seven episodes. I guess I'll watch the last eight tonight, get it over with.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (ZshNr)

186 165 Yeah,WTF with that?I'm surprised Del Toro fucked that up so badly.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (9XBK2)

187 Where's the purity troll to tell us that watching any TV or movie makes us co-conspirators with Obama and Eric Holder?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (ZPrif)

188 pre-cancellation*

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (yAor6)

189 >>>Well, excuse me for being a "Jumped-up Noob," but one of Michael Bluth's very first lines in the show is a dismissive crack at his mother's appearance. He's clearly aiming for the moral high ground, but never seems to get there. yet he does aim. And he does feel responsible, he feels the need to be better than he would otherwise be, because of his kid. Contrast to Lindsey/Tobias or Lucille/George Sr. Most of the characters are pretty content being pretty awful.

Posted by: ace at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (LCRYB)

190 Purp, not purpose. Damn auto-correct

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (Qh3pQ)

191 175 161 Good Lord.The AvP movies are so bad I've tried to blot any memory of them from my mind. --- Try watching Predators instead. Definitely the best Predator movie since the first one.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (zA7Zp)

192 177 So is this thread going to degenerate into Kaylee / Inara slash fantasies? Because if so.... Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 01:55 PM (Ihnyc) what do you mean "degenerate"?

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (qPCAa)

193 And from the Christian World: Crickets

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2013 01:54 PM (9Bj8R)

You and I have just said more about the persecution of Christians than most actual Christian clergy. Raymond Ibrahim should be canonized.

That's twice today. I guess I want to be in charge of beatification.

Posted by: Beagle at May 28, 2013 09:57 AM (sOtz/)

194 As long as we're writing off final seasons, can we pretend that they didn't make the 2nd an 3rd Matrix movies?

***

Worst sequels ever.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 28, 2013 09:58 AM (Hx5uv)

195 186 TSRBike,

I don't think that is a "conservative" thing so much as the Luap Nor cult and some Conservatives ready to take the Occutards at their word....

add in Whore E Wood's liberal activism and RIAA's asshattery.....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 09:58 AM (LRFds)

196 182 As long as we're writing off final seasons, can we pretend that they didn't make the 2nd an 3rd Matrix movies? --- Matrix 2 was good but overlong. Matrix 3, OTOH, was a waste of celluloid.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 09:58 AM (zA7Zp)

197 I try not to look for an overarching message in the show since they were clearly making shit up as they went along.

The Robot Chicken episode where every single character on the show had the "I'm a Cylon!" reveal pretty much covers the writing process they had.

They painted themselves into a corner with the Final Five bullshit.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 09:59 AM (GQ8sn)

198 "Worst sequels ever."

I'll see your Matrix sequels and raise you the Transformers and Hangover sequels

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 28, 2013 09:59 AM (yAor6)

199 I have enjoyed the 9 episodes I have watched. It seemed the same to me as the original series. Just do a spin off with Gob and I would watch that forever.

Posted by: Witchfinder at May 28, 2013 09:59 AM (E1Cat)

200

Well, now that F and B is back on with Heather Locklear, my day has really been made.

Mmmm, Heather Locklear...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 28, 2013 09:59 AM (0HooB)

201 Wait, there's other TV programming besides sports and Red Eye?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 28, 2013 10:00 AM (7ObY1)

202 I don't think that is a "conservative" thing so much as the Luap Nor cult and some Conservatives ready to take the Occutards at their word....

add in Whore E Wood's liberal activism and RIAA's asshattery.....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 01:58 PM (LRFds)

Perhaps, I just know crazy people are telling me it's "unconservative." I think it is unconservative to support the perversion it is has become (damn you disney!) but not copyright in general.

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 28, 2013 10:00 AM (mHwvc)

203 199 EC,

I'm a cylon or is it cyclone...?

Cavil I need the good word buddy

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:00 AM (LRFds)

204 IF YOU EVEN WATCH THIS SHOW, YOU ARE THE ENEMY!!! ACE IS A SELLOUT RINO WHO IS FUNDING THE SOCIALISTS VIA HIS TELEVISION!!!!

Posted by: fyscally clyffy crazy pants at May 28, 2013 10:00 AM (fwARV)

205 196 As long as we're writing off final seasons, can we pretend that they didn't make the 2nd an 3rd Matrix movies? *** Worst sequels ever. --- The Sting II, Exorcist II, and Troll 2 all take umbrage at that remark.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 10:00 AM (zA7Zp)

206 Speed and Point Break were the true sequels to The Matrix. Neo chooses the Matrix over reality and spends the rest of his life as an action hero.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 10:00 AM (ZPrif)

207 Tsrbike, copyright reform is where the GOP's task group was headed, not abolition. Works fine for me. Unfortunately it was at risk of being popular, and smart, and the right thing to do. The GOP can't have *that*

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 10:00 AM (Ihnyc)

208 Fast and Furious..... 2 thru 6.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2013 10:01 AM (nELVU)

209 Definitely the best Predator movie since the first one. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 01:57 PM (zA7Zp) Agree. Butttttt. That's not saying much.

Posted by: RWC at May 28, 2013 10:01 AM (fWAjv)

210 I'm a cylon or is it cyclone...?

Cavil I need the good word buddy

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 02:00 PM (LRFds)

Well, we're all Cylons thanks to the finale.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:01 AM (GQ8sn)

211 145 >>most of season 5 of Babylon 5

Speaking of B5, the link in my name was really depressing.

I saw that. Damn shame, since I liked all three of those characters.

Posted by: joncelli at May 28, 2013 10:01 AM (RD7QR)

212 Michael is a destroyed man because of the housing crash. When viewed through this prism his descent into full Bluthism makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Gaff at May 28, 2013 10:01 AM (jPS2y)

213 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 28, 2013 02:00 PM

No.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 28, 2013 10:02 AM (2iU3x)

214 209 - I like that! Those three movies demonstrated that in the right role, Keanu rocks.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2013 10:02 AM (0qqnb)

215 212 Definitely the best Predator movie since the first one. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 01:57 PM (zA7Zp) Agree. Butttttt. That's not saying much. --- *Shrug* I actually like Predator 2, but I have a soft spot for scenery-chewing actors like Gary Busey and Bill Paxton.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 10:02 AM (zA7Zp)

216 They painted themselves into a corner with the Final Five bullshit. Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 01:59 PM (GQ8sn) Don't even get me started with BSG. DO NOT GET ME STARTED!

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 10:02 AM (qPCAa)

217 205 TSRBike,

If we could set the wayback machine and make sure that estates couldn't relegate cultural keepsakes to non publication...

Abandoned Ware pisses me off, and sitting on IP not to publish is crap....

for example Firefly or BSG for years....

or Star trek prior to the reboot.....

I don't have the answers I just know this ain't it.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:02 AM (LRFds)

218
Speaking of B5, the link in my name was really depressing.

I wonder if JMS ever talked about what happened with Claudia Christian. There were two stories as to what happened, but it sounded like CC's story was the true version. Even Bruce Boxleitner stood up for her, once he found out the truth.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:02 AM (GQ8sn)

219 Battlestar Galactica syndrome. The ending was so awful, it ruined the entire series for me forever.

I think that should actually be called "Lost Syndrome." I liked the Battlestar Galactica finale (well, not the very last scene, but I don't really consider that to be an actual part of the show, rather Ron Moore preaching).

Posted by: John at May 28, 2013 10:03 AM (KQ9rH)

220 LOL 207

Posted by: RWC at May 28, 2013 10:03 AM (fWAjv)

221 Crikey. Haven't had a chance to watch it. I'll still watch it, but now my expectations are probably properly low now.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at May 28, 2013 10:03 AM (r5uNF)

222 The Sting II, Exorcist II, and Troll 2 all take umbrage at that remark.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 02:00 PM (zA7Zp)

Sir; I'll see that bet... and raise you 'Smokey and the Bandit' 2, and 3!

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 28, 2013 10:03 AM (lZBBB)

223 Don't even get me started with BSG.

DO NOT GET ME STARTED!

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 02:02 PM (qPCAa)

Aha! So that's one of your "non-negotiables" huh?

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:03 AM (GQ8sn)

224

"Justified" has been the only series in the last year or two that I've really enjoyed. It's crime with a brand new perspective. It was also well done production-wise. Unfortunately, they're running out of ideas too.

As an aside, I've found Disney's "Airplanes" trailer intriguing.

Posted by: Soona at May 28, 2013 10:04 AM (tY0y0)

225 Kinda like Futurerama being picked up by Comedy Central--and promptly sucking ass. I had high hopes for that and man, did it blow. The only thing more tragic than restarting a series and watching it detonate on the launching pad is when a show's writers take an existing one and drive it into the ground. Prime case in point: Jericho. Season one rocked. Season two was a lefty's wet dream and it blew.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at May 28, 2013 10:04 AM (PMGbu)

226 "Fast and Furious..... 2 thru 6."

Nothing proves how this country has fallen more then the fact people go and watch those movies

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 28, 2013 10:04 AM (yAor6)

227 Superman IV: The Quest for Peace. Full retard.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 10:04 AM (ZPrif)

228 228 EC,

that and being able to tie knots in cherry stems with one's tongue I'd wager

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:04 AM (LRFds)

229 The Final Four from Arrested Development was funny. Orange Rock Monster.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 28, 2013 10:05 AM (ZshNr)

230 Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

Full retard.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 02:04 PM (ZPrif)

Battlefield Earth.

Fuller retard.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:05 AM (GQ8sn)

231 I gave up on BSG about halfway through season 2 (or 1.5 as they called it).Had misgivings about where it was going from the beginning.But like I say,this stuff is subjective,I gave up on Walking Dead in 2 episodes and many morons love it.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 10:05 AM (9XBK2)

232 Aha! So that's one of your "non-negotiables" huh? Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 02:03 PM (GQ8sn) I'm sorry what? (dude, what happens in Memorial Day ONT STAYS in Memorial Day ONT).

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 10:05 AM (qPCAa)

233 Alien v Predator v Jason v Freddy. Okay. That? I would watch. But only if Jason got hit with a face-hugger. And from the Christian World: CricketsPosted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2013 01:54 PM (9Bj8R) You and I have just said more about the persecution of Christians than most actual Christian clergy. If, by "Christian World" you mean Western/European nations- well duh. If, by "Christian World" you mean Christianity- you're both right and wrong. We tend not to air those things in public (as a matter of course). Go into a church building on any given Sunday, and you'll probably hear something about it. Also the persecution against Christians in China, N. Korea, Vietnam, various other parts of the Islamic world, and so forth. But, as a rule, we don't air those grievances in public.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 28, 2013 10:05 AM (/PCJa)

234 "So is this thread going to degenerate into Kaylee / Inara slash fantasies? Because if so..."
==========

There are worse possibilities...

Posted by: Kirk/Spock Slash Fiction at May 28, 2013 10:05 AM (Yy2ZT)

235 The only thing more tragic than restarting a series and watching it detonate on the launching pad is when a show's writers take an existing one and drive it into the ground. Prime case in point: Jericho. Season one rocked. Season two was a lefty's wet dream and it blew. --- $10 says that it was intentional. CBS got shamed into bringing back the series to finish up the cliffhanger, so they probably did that as a "fuck you" to the viewers.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 10:05 AM (zA7Zp)

236 229 Soona,

You should try Hell on Wheels of course I am near 100% on my "if I love something it is doomed" scale...

Justified being the ONLY exception in a long while

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:05 AM (LRFds)

237 203 Yeah,it is quite good.I don't think it made money though.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 10:05 AM (9XBK2)

238 " gave up on Walking Dead in 2 episodes and many morons love it."

the morons love Firefly and BBT, I hate them. you're not alone.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 28, 2013 10:06 AM (yAor6)

239 I'm sorry what?

(dude, what happens in Memorial Day ONT STAYS in Memorial Day ONT).

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 02:05 PM (qPCAa)

First rule of BSG is don't talk about BSG.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:06 AM (GQ8sn)

240 Kinda like Futurerama being picked up by Comedy Central--and promptly sucking ass. I had high hopes for that and man, did it blow. Somebody got paid a lot of money for their Ideas and fans. Clever people like that will have something else for us to enjoy, eventually.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 10:06 AM (XIxXP)

241 "So is this thread going to degenerate into Kaylee / Inara slash fantasies? Because if so..." --- I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Jayne Cobb at May 28, 2013 10:06 AM (zA7Zp)

242 Rocky V. So bad that Stallone named the next one "Rocky Balboa", so you can pretend that that movie is Rocky V instead.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 10:06 AM (Ihnyc)

243 Futurama decided to for "longer-form" story telling when they got resurrected. Which is a pretty retarded idea for a cartoon. People watch cartoons for the jokey-jokes -- not for the long-form storytelling.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 10:06 AM (ZPrif)

244 I gave up on BSG about halfway through season 2 (or 1.5 as they called it).Had misgivings about where it was going from the beginning.But like I say,this stuff is subjective,I gave up on Walking Dead in 2 episodes and many morons love it. Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 02:05 PM (9XBK2) that's exactly right. Exactly the place where it cratered was halfway through season 2. Just make up your own satisfying ending and it will be better than the crapola they sold us.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 10:06 AM (qPCAa)

245 237 Elizabethe,

We can pretend of course the net is written in ink and the ONT in various viscous fluids ma'am

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:07 AM (LRFds)

246 Battlefield Earth.
Fuller retard.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 02:05 PM (GQ8sn)

----

That movie sucked donkey dicks. WTF was Travolta, Pepper and Whitaker thinking????

Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2013 10:07 AM (nELVU)

247 >>yet he does aim. And he does feel responsible, he feels the need to be better than he would otherwise be, because of his kid. Contrast to Lindsey/Tobias or Lucille/George Sr. Most of the characters are pretty content being pretty awful.

I submit that Lindsay and Tobias are only content because they're completely oblivious - not so much immoral but amoral. And Lucille and George Sr - especially Lucille, once it's revealed that it was all her idea - are indeed terrible people, but their being terrible doesn't make Michael any less terrible.

If there's any real moral center in the show, it's George Michael. And it's clearly because of his mother, who all characters seem to agree was a saint. Of all the characters in the show, he lies the least, comes clean the quickest when pressed, and constantly wrestles between his attraction to Maeby and his knowledge that it's not okay, a point he never dismisses for convenience. Is it more than just a throwaway trait that he has a "perfect internal clock?"

It's even present in the fourth season - it's only after more direct and prolonged exposure to his father that he concocts the FakeBlock lie.

Posted by: Lou at May 28, 2013 10:07 AM (xp1pq)

248 >>>Michael is a destroyed man because of the housing crash. When viewed through this prism his descent into full Bluthism makes perfect sense. um, does it? In the original show, was Michael destroyed? Was any character destroyed? Bear in mind, George Sr. had been arrested for "light treason" and often discussed how he was doing the "time of his life" in prison. See upthread for my mention of the Comedic Bubble of Invulnerability that protects cartoon characters from real consequences. Was it wise to turn the AD universe into one where there suddenly *are* consequences? The original show was genial and bouncy in its cynicism. Even though characters behaved badly, we knew they were cartoons and everything would just sort of work out okay for them. It's an important part of the show's tone. To say "Housing Market Crash" is to miss the fact that the original show was based on the Madoff swindle; yes, these things had consequences in real life, but on Arrested Development, it was just fodder for tensions and backbiting and comedy.

Posted by: ace at May 28, 2013 10:07 AM (LCRYB)

249 Battlestar Galactica syndrome. The ending was so awful, it ruined the entire series for me forever. Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 28, 2013 01:45 PM (Qh3pQ) I don't know what you're talking about, the ending of the second season was great. It's just such a pity they never made any seasons past that. Which they didn't. Lalalalalalalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalalalalalala.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 28, 2013 10:07 AM (VtjlW)

250 WTF was Travolta, Pepper and Whitaker thinking???? That they wanted to make money for L. Ron Hubbard?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 28, 2013 10:07 AM (/PCJa)

251 Prime case in point: Jericho.

Season one rocked. Season two was a lefty's wet dream and it blew.

A commenter here, guessed the entire show's premise by episode 2. I forget his name, but he ran a blog of his own that featured his wife's boobs. Getting off track, anyhow, he correctly guessed who was behind the bombs and their motivation by the second episode. He left it to future viewers to prove him wrong.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:08 AM (GQ8sn)

252 251 Battlefield Earth. Fuller retard. Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 02:05 PM (GQ8sn) ---- That movie sucked donkey dicks. WTF was Travolta, Pepper and Whitaker thinking???? --- John did it as a favor to me and my memory. Not sure about the rest of them.

Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard at May 28, 2013 10:08 AM (zA7Zp)

253 Matrix 2 was good but overlong. Matrix 3, OTOH, was a waste of celluloid. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 01:58 PM (zA7Zp) I think it was #2 that gave us the awesome song for the Black Devil R1 Moscow vid. Love this video. http://tinyurl.com/27mo8u4 0-100 in under 5.5 seconds. Yikes.

Posted by: RWC at May 28, 2013 10:08 AM (fWAjv)

254

...and don't get me started on the remake of V. It was strangled in the crib.

I didn't think it was possible for Morena Baccarin to get any better looking, yet she did.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 28, 2013 10:08 AM (0HooB)

255 Was Franklin Delano in any episodes?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 28, 2013 10:08 AM (4cRnj)

256 Walking Dead supposedly took off in season 3. You just have to sit through some lame lefty crap before you get there. Btw, TNG and DS9 were pretty damn uneven until their third seasons as well.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 10:08 AM (Ihnyc)

257 Whatever happened to "When things were rotten"?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 10:09 AM (XIxXP)

258 Btw, TNG and DS9 were pretty damn uneven until their third seasons as well.

Is that when Gene Roddenberry died?

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:10 AM (GQ8sn)

259 >>>Was Franklin Delano in any episodes? no. it's odd, the show did a LOT of callbacks (relied too heavily on them, really; an endless series of curtain calls) but did not do some of the most beloved ones. No chicken dance, no Franklin.

Posted by: ace at May 28, 2013 10:10 AM (LCRYB)

260 Btw, TNG and DS9 were pretty damn uneven until their third seasons as well. --- Agreed on DS9. TNG had some good episodes but was never a particularly good series. That becomes very obvious upon watching episodes back-to-back, as they recycled the same few plots constantly. Outside of the Borg stuff and the Klingon Civil War, most of TNG was pretty forgettable.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 10:11 AM (zA7Zp)

261 Was Franklin Delano in any episodes?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 28, 2013 02:08 PM (4cRnj)

---

No.... he was doing TV spots updating Americans on the progress of the War in the Pacific.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 28, 2013 10:11 AM (nELVU)

262 265 Btw, TNG and DS9 were pretty damn uneven until their third seasons as well. Is that when Gene Roddenberry died? --- Around the 3rd season of TNG, IIRC, as he died before the release of Star Trek 6, which was around that time.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 10:12 AM (zA7Zp)

263 Well, most TV is forgettable. As evidenced by the fact that I can't remember most of it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 10:12 AM (ZPrif)

264 DS9 - to boldly sit in one place and never go anywhere.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 28, 2013 10:12 AM (0HooB)

265 EC, that's what saved TNG. The end of TNG freed up some writers and that saved DS9.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 10:12 AM (Ihnyc)

266 231 - Re: Fast and Furious.
In general, loud and stupid movies can be fun to watch, especially when the alternatives are a preachy Liberal propaganda movie or some nihilistic indie flick. They have their place. I enjoyed the 3rd Transformers movie (which we took our car-loving son to see) more than Avatar because at least Michael Bay really wanted to entertain the audience instead of spend 2+ hours and 100's millions telling me how awful humans and the military are.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2013 10:12 AM (0qqnb)

267 Jericho was pretty obvious that they were setting up Dubya as arch villain...

I wrote here at the time it was a guilty pleasure...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:13 AM (LRFds)

268 All hit TV shows get boiled down to a few iconic moments within a decade after it goes off the air.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 10:13 AM (ZPrif)

269 I really can't stress enough how the tone changed from "joyously cynical and bouncily roguish" to "sour."

Posted by: ace at May 28, 2013 10:13 AM (LCRYB)

270 DS9 - to boldly sit in one place and never go anywhere.

I always thought of the three shows like this:

TNG: going away

DS9: staying in place

Voyager: coming home

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:14 AM (GQ8sn)

271 276 Ace,

You could write a REALLY good piece on it being a result of a Hopium hangover...

"just saying"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:14 AM (LRFds)

272 Most TV shows get forgotten entirely. Did anything from Stargate SG-1 enter pop culture? As far as I can tell the answer is no.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 10:14 AM (ZPrif)

273 Franklin going off on the mom(Jessica Walter) is one of the funniest moments in the original show.
I rewatched most of the original shows this weekend and it still holds up, don't have Netflix though

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 28, 2013 10:14 AM (4cRnj)

274 EC, that's what saved TNG. The end of TNG freed up some writers and that saved DS9.

And DS9 was all the more awesome for it.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:14 AM (GQ8sn)

275 277 EC,

eh...maybe...

I always thought of it as a series of "send me the money" stabs...

well V'ger had two things going for it...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:15 AM (LRFds)

276 Voyager was the one I never watched.Whatever I saw of that show I hated.TNG and Ds9 had their moments.

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2013 10:15 AM (9XBK2)

277 283 Steevy,

TNG-We follow the rules...."mostly"

DS9-We break the rules-unhappily

Voy-what fucking rules I am Woman hear me Roar

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:17 AM (LRFds)

278 SG-1 might be the longest running Scifi series to have no pop culture impact outside the scifi ghetto. 10 years! But make a Teal'c or Daniel Jackson joke and see if anybody has a clue what you are talking about. Goa'uld references are right out. Better luck with a Ferengi joke.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 10:17 AM (ZPrif)

279 well V'ger had two things going for it...

What?

Oooh.....

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:17 AM (GQ8sn)

280 Obviously no one was smuggling gold Krugerrands to Ace to soften his review!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 28, 2013 10:17 AM (ddEHY)

281 I'm hard put to it even to think of something from the Stargate movie that affected pop culture. Independence Day had some iconic moments.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 10:18 AM (Ihnyc)

282 Don't even get me started with BSG. DO NOT GET ME STARTED! Posted by: elizabethe at May 28, 2013 02:02 PM (qPCAa) Here. Sit down next to me and you will discuss BSG and I will discuss how I want to punch Joss Whedon right in his crapweasel face. Then there will be lemon bars. On the horrible movies front, I love me some Vin Diesel as did the (late lamented) BFF. I was up visiting her when Babylon A.D. came out and we quite happily went to see it. It finishes, we leave and she looks at me and says "I have no idea what I just saw". I agreed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 28, 2013 10:18 AM (VtjlW)

283 SG-1 might be the longest running Scifi series to have no pop culture impact outside the scifi ghetto.

I think Dane Cook made a SG joke once, but it was unclear if he was referencing the movie or show.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:18 AM (GQ8sn)

284 The Office ended the other week. That leaves me with no shows other then "reality" TV and Adult Swim. It was sad seeing it end but it had to be put out of it's misery.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 28, 2013 10:18 AM (yAor6)

285 Hopium hangover...

It all comes to nothing. And from there it can always get worse.

Posted by: SarahW at May 28, 2013 10:18 AM (LYwCh)

286 kirk old kirk black kirk chick kirk spock robo-spock squishy spock holo-spock

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 28, 2013 10:19 AM (ZPrif)

287 On the horrible movies front, I love me some Vin Diesel as did the (late lamented) BFF. I was up visiting her when Babylon A.D. came out and we quite happily went to see it. It finishes, we leave and she looks at me and says "I have no idea what I just saw". I agreed. --- Apparently there was about an hour of runtime that hit the cutting room floor.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 10:19 AM (zA7Zp)

288 66
I guess we're going to diverge on that, then. . . If you're going to watch a show like Arrested Development through a political filter, you may as well quit now - how many Iraq jokes did they make in the original run?

Posted by: Lou at May 28, 2013 01:36 PM (xp1pq)

Is it really diverging, though, when this is a political blog? I try NOT to watch my TV through a political filter, and usually I manage to, but the politics felt very blatant in the new AD season, so I thought I'd address the ostrich in the room.

Making fun of Herman Cain is fair game; he does at times feel like a caricature of himself. But as politicians go he is pretty innocuous and fang-less, so piling on him seemed like overkill. They've given a lot of the previously ridiculous characters more depth this time around, Lucille 2 for example, so making him a complete cartoon was jarring. But I loved all the Bush and building a wall jokes, I had no problem with those.

Anyway, off politics now. . . I do love the growth we are getting in a lot of the characters, especially George Sr, Lucille and Gob. Without the family Michael loses his moral center; without him they are having to begin to find theirs. Or something. I'm not to the end yet, so maybe all that gets ruined, but that's where things seem to be heading 2/3 of the way through.

Posted by: LizLem at May 28, 2013 10:20 AM (8wqqE)

289 292 SarahW,

Yup...they basically wrecked a culture, have poisoned me against Whore E Wood for the rest of my life and for what...

"Your Throat...Mistakes were made...oops"

//BHO

I'd be bitter too...all the snark and moral preening led to SCOAMF

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:20 AM (LRFds)

290 You could write a REALLY good piece on it being a result of a Hopium hangover...

"just saying"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 02:14 PM (LRFds)

----------------------------------------------

That would be a good subject to write on. The evolution of tv series in the face of marxist hope and change.

Even better. The evolution of tv series that led to marxist hope and change.

Posted by: Soona at May 28, 2013 10:20 AM (tY0y0)

291 Btw, i'd love to see some ID4 sequels. Earth got trashed hardcore, there are almost certainly a shitload of aliens at loose on the planet, and humanity has just discovered a LOT of alien tech (gravity nullifiers at the very least, probably FTL).

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 10:22 AM (Ihnyc)

292 297 Soona,

You could watch Hollywood's Temper Tantrum after 2004...and they got their bobsled course and shit still sucks...

are they happier than when we had power?

Yup but their cynicism is based in part on knowing that they create potemkin villages not solutions....

Let America Work

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 28, 2013 10:23 AM (LRFds)

293 Btw, i'd love to see some ID4 sequels. Earth got trashed hardcore, there are almost certainly a shitload of aliens at loose on the planet, and humanity has just discovered a LOT of alien tech (gravity nullifiers at the very least, probably FTL).

Guess what....

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)

294 Any hack could come up with a dozen ideas for awesome stories from ID4's ending. Except for George Lucas of course

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 10:24 AM (Ihnyc)

295 I really can't stress enough how the tone changed from "joyously cynical and bouncily roguish" to "sour." Posted by: ace at May 28, 2013 02:13 PM (LCRYB) So I can add this to my Grand Unified Theory of things I like vs. things I don't like. I can sum it up thusly, did the creator of the work like his/her characters? If so, I will like it. If not, I won't.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 28, 2013 10:24 AM (VtjlW)

296 Around e.7 there's a plot to plant a bomb at a social event. Bet they'll be wishing they didn't produce that part once the eternally offended catch wind of a new possible offense to their sensibilities.

Posted by: That Guy at May 28, 2013 10:26 AM (iPq1D)

297 Any hack could come up with a dozen ideas for awesome stories from ID4's ending. Except for George Lucas of course

Devlin and Emmerich are on it.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:28 AM (GQ8sn)

298 I just searched the web. "ID Forever" the sequel(s!) Will be called... Dude I hope no one at the office overheard the screaming orgasm I just had

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 28, 2013 10:28 AM (Ihnyc)

299 The Simpsons lost its dignity on the way back from Flander's beach cottage.

Posted by: The dumbass veto at May 28, 2013 10:30 AM (qxcKC)

300 Dude I hope no one at the office overheard the screaming orgasm I just had

And it sounds like the script is pretty much what you said. People of Earth get their hands on alien tech, reverse engineer it, and get ready for the reinforcements coming their way.

Posted by: EC at May 28, 2013 10:30 AM (GQ8sn)

301 You don't 'finish' Mount Rushmore.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, elsewhere at May 28, 2013 10:32 AM (m9V0o)

302

I thought I would enjoy the character centric episodes, but it lacked the linking between characters. I watched the George Michael episodes, and his only real interactions with the Bluths were his dad, his cousin, and a pair of encounters with Gob. Now, this isn't to say that he had many interactions with the rest of his family during the original run (his ignorance of Lucille 2 made you think back to her scenes from the original run), but the indirect links were there to see.

Posted by: Andres at May 28, 2013 10:37 AM (MFQJZ)

303 189: Don't watch, organize!

Posted by: Joe Hill Buckley at May 28, 2013 10:38 AM (x60FF)

304 Good point on Michael and consequences. In Seasons 1-3, even faux consequences would often be tucked away in the final next-time-on-Arrested Development scene that never really developed; the consequences "occurred" only in an absurdist way that allowed for the attendant gag without having to deal with their reality.

Posted by: Hubris at May 28, 2013 10:42 AM (hiea7)

305 I've still got four episodes left, and don't think it's been as nearly bad as that. It was rough for the first few episodes, but things began making more sense at around episode four, or the second Michael episode. It's not as consistently good as anything from the first three seasons, and I think that the show is hurt by the fact that they couldn't get the entire cast together for each of the episodes, but overall I'd say it didn't do anything to ruin the brand. The ham-handed political shots - yeah, grade A stupid.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at May 28, 2013 10:45 AM (Ud5vq)

306 So wither my grand dreams of finally getting closure over 'Me and the Chimp.[

Posted by: zsasz at May 28, 2013 10:49 AM (MMC8r)

307 Everybody is hitting the panic button way too early on season 4.

http://arresteddevelopment.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:9602

Posted by: buzzardo at May 28, 2013 10:50 AM (fKYkR)

308 215 The Sting II, Exorcist II, and Troll 2 all take umbrage at that remark.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 28, 2013 02:00 PM (zA7Zp)

Don't you go forgettin' me, BRAH!

Posted by: Too Fast Too Furious at May 28, 2013 02:01 PM (tWmgi)

Ahem. What about me?

Posted by: Caddyshack II at May 28, 2013 10:52 AM (LTbLf)

309 On 11 of 15. Yes the characters, including Michael, are losing any redeeming social value quickly and the more obvious pot shots at the right are hard to stomach but it is good to see them back. It takes a few episodes to start piecing together the stories and timeline. Also, I do not think Lindsey ever actually committed adultery on screen (and they implied she always failed in the first three seasons) but she sure did f the conservative a lot in her arrested development. This is disappointing but to be real, it is based in the OC (don't call it that)

Posted by: Mac Gootbone at May 28, 2013 10:57 AM (XCSw/)

310 Ahem. What about me?

Posted by: Caddyshack II at May 28, 2013 02:52 PM (LTbLf)

Don't forget me !

Posted by: Godfather 3 at May 28, 2013 11:06 AM (RJ+Yj)

311 No Firefly for you, probably, not after this Hot Mess. Well, to hell with the gorram lot of y'all, I'm going to Whitefall.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at May 28, 2013 11:15 AM (1hM1d)

312

The clear solution here is to watch Longmire.

(And ignore the parts where Lou Diamond Phillips does the Hollywoodish American Indians talk-in-stilted-syntax bit. Seriously, is Jay Silverheels' estate getting a royalty or something?)

Posted by: A Pendragon at May 28, 2013 11:34 AM (wJliR)

313 Sorry to be That Guy, but I never liked Arrested Development to begin with. Yes, I got it. Just didn't think it was funny.

Posted by: cool arrow at May 28, 2013 11:39 AM (WMsq+)

314 Sorry to be That Guy, but I never liked Arrested Development to begin with. Yes, I got it. Just didn't think it was funny. Posted by: cool arrow at May 28, 2013 03:39 PM (WMsq+) Jason Batemans best role was the childish narcissistic fuck of a husband in Juno. Got a feelin it wasn't much of a stretch.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 28, 2013 12:07 PM (XIxXP)

315 I've found Season 4 underwhelming so far (on episode 10 or 11, I think). The biggest issue I have is with how it is structured...AD was best when they were interacting with each other, but there's little opportunity for that when they're off doing their own thing in each episode. There's also too much of a focus on political issues, complete with a caricature of a right-wing pol. That's just lazy, paint by numbers writing. And, I don't understand why they've made Michael like the rest of them...he was the "normal" one, the straight guy in a house full of crazy people. Now, he's showering with his son and living in his dorm room? That just doesn't fit with the character.

With that said, it's not THAT bad, and it's way too early to call it a failure. (Creatively-speaking, maybe, though I think "failure" is a little harsh, but from Netflix's perspective the ultimate tell will be subscription numbers.) I still enjoyed seeing the characters again, and there have been some funny moments and nice touches (Michael's Charlie Brown walk of shame nearly redeemed the first episode). It's still better than most of what airs on broadcast TV.

Posted by: Chris at May 28, 2013 12:36 PM (gI9Bk)

316 Um. I thought it was fantastic. Took a while to build up, but I am mystified by the critics who say it was bad.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at May 28, 2013 01:55 PM (fXInK)

317 I) I've been sick since Friday.
(a) Pretty sure it was the Sonic jalapeno double meat and cheese with large o-rings and large chocolate shake on Thursday.
(i) The meat smelled funny but I hadn't eaten all day.
(b) Now, I only feel like I have a hangover.

(II) Overall, I enjoyed it and have already watched Season 4 twice.
(a) I was fading in and out during episodes 6-11 the first time through.

(III) I hope they decide to do a Season 5.

Posted by: CozMark at May 28, 2013 08:50 PM (P0AbR)

318 I wasn't really disappointed surprisingly. They definitely ruined some of the characters - namely Michael who became as pathetic as the rest of the family - and the season wasn't as clever or well written as the originals but it was alright.

I chose to ignore the clumsy attempts at political edginess... it was kind of stupid. I guess I wasn't as into the show as I thought, because after watching the new season I was just like "oh well" rather then "dammit what did they do?"

Posted by: Josef at May 29, 2013 02:49 PM (3y7Zy)

319 http://geektyrant.com/news/2013/5/29/netflix-wants-another-season-of-arrested-development.html

Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at May 29, 2013 05:02 PM (nL5y5)

320 Okay, now I've finished the whole season. You're right--it sucked.

Posted by: Hubris at June 03, 2013 06:55 AM (hiea7)

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