March 22, 2013
— Ace I wasn't even going to mention this -- I don't think enough of you care about about blogger spats to make it a post -- but I've been annoyed on Twitter.
I'll make this very quick so I can put up a real post.
David Frum's and Andrew Sullivan's creature, the "conservative" (or something) Conor Friedersdorf (no idea if that's the correct spelling, who cares), put up a gotcha type post attacking Michelle Malkin for an 11-year-old column. In that column, she talked about the possibility that Iraqi agents could steal across the unprotected Southern border to commit terrorism.
Bear in mind Iraq was a sponsor of terrorism and bear in mind the war drums against Iraq were beginning to be beat. Also bear in mind this was about a half-year after 9/11, when most of us were trying to anticipate possible terrorist threats, given that we'd completely failed to anticipate 9/11.
Well, Conor flattered his liberal audience at the Atlantic (but remember, he's their "conservative" writer or something) by saying ha-ha, no Iraqi terrorists came into America to commit terrorism, across the Mexican border or otherwise; isn't Michelle Malkin quite a silly goose?
At this point John Sexton, who knows how to work the google machine, put up a post noting that Conor Friedersdorf had expressed either the exact same points, or, according to Conor, similar but not exactly the same points as Malkin did -- terrorists crossing the border, dual loyalties of recent Muslim immigrants -- late as 2006.
So... doesn't this mean Conor Friedersdorf is quite a silly goose? Apparently not, but let's put that aside for the moment.
At this point I jumped in on Twitter to begin asking Conor when -- given that he was now our self-appointed Minister of Online Hygiene -- he would be similarly doing a What a Silly Goose piece about his former boss/mentor Andrew Sullivan, and write up a fulsome attack on Sullivan's many conspiracy theories.
There is a part II to this stupid thing but Twitchy hasn't collected it up yet so that'll have to wait.
By the way, Conor did write about Sullivan's Trig Trutherism.
By defending Sullivan. By claiming that Sarah Palin was courting such suspicions because they helped her politically.
He disagrees with Sullivan that Palin faked a pregnancy (gee thanks for that bold stance) but then claims that maybe Palin's been advised to keep the proof of her birthing of Trig secret, in order to bait her critics into talking about her.
One explanation for the disparity in evidence: the persistence of questions about Trig helps Sarah Palin. All along, she has savvily used the notion that the media is treating her unfairly to enhance her popularity. An amoral political strategist would advise her to keep hard evidence of Trig’s maternity hidden at all costs in the hope that critics would continue questioning it — if Professor Bernstein and I, both of us huge Sarah Palin critics, doubt the merits of this line of inquiry, imagine how the average American reacts to it, and how the Sarah Palin base reacts. For better or worse, we live in a country where the politics of umbrage are very effective, and Ms. Palin is expert at them. Indeed I fear that speculation about Trig’s maternity increases the chance that she’ll win the 2012 GOP nomination. If a savvy political analyst can be found who disagrees with that assessment, I’d be surprised.
I'm savvy and I disagree. So I guess Conor is surprised.
Palin really rode Trig Trutherism to the nomination, huh? Like a stallion.
Conor then disagrees with Sullivan's claim that Palin's alleged parentage of Trig is the greatest, most odious lie ever perpetrated on the public... because Conor can think of even greater lies.
Later in his post, Andrew writes, “if Palin has lied about this, it’s the most staggering, appalling deception in the history of American politics.” I think that on reflection he’d reconsider. How staggering a lie is must relate to consequences. Consider Dick Cheney and the Iraq War, or the treatment of detainees at black sites around the world, just to name two political lies that resulted in loss of life and incalculable damage to our country.
So you know -- he's been a real bear on calling out His Side* for their unhinged remarks.
And now I'll do a real post.
Sorry.
* I have no idea what side Friedersdorf claims to be on. I don't know if he's still posing as a conservative so he can serve as House Conservative to liberal outfits, or if he's now confessed his actual partisan affiliation. I know rather little about him. This comes as a major surprise to him, as I'll note later.
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 10:40 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2013 10:42 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: Kensington at March 22, 2013 10:44 AM (/AHDz)
See Gleen Greenweld and St Andrew Sully of The Perpetual Agony.
Posted by: EC at March 22, 2013 10:44 AM (doBIb)
Posted by: toby928© beating memes to death since 2006 at March 22, 2013 10:44 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at March 22, 2013 10:44 AM (VtjlW)
"I'll make this very quick so I can put up a real post"
In other words, post fast as this one's going down...
Posted by: Jess1 otherwise known as Kitty Frontage at March 22, 2013 10:44 AM (lbiWb)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 22, 2013 10:44 AM (jsWA8)
Posted by: jb at March 22, 2013 10:45 AM (E4449)
And now I'll do a real post.
Real posts are for pussies.
Sorry.
Apologies are for queers.
OH EEEEWW!
Vagi parts! ick!
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 22, 2013 10:45 AM (ntNJz)
thick on the ground, they are ( as the English say )
Posted by: John Barbagelata at March 22, 2013 10:46 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 22, 2013 10:46 AM (/AHDz)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 10:47 AM (4df7R)
You can't be serious.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 22, 2013 10:47 AM (UCv7P)
I love you guys who don't even attempt to separate a quote from your comments.
You have that "fuck it" attitude, which I admire.
Posted by: soothsayer, a transcorporeal at March 22, 2013 10:47 AM (Yyowi)
I don't suppose Conor ever commented on Birtherism in regards to Obama.
Posted by: DKCZ at March 22, 2013 10:48 AM (9/bcB)
Posted by: troyriser at March 22, 2013 10:48 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: tasker at March 22, 2013 10:48 AM (r2PLg)
you're saying that Conor Friedersdorf (2013) has plagiarized Conor Friedersdorf (2006) ... or is it just that he mailed it in ?
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 22, 2013 10:48 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 22, 2013 10:48 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 10:48 AM (4OvDk)
BTW, is that "Sorry I've Been Having a Fight With Some Idiots" as in:
"I'm sorry for fighting" or
"I'm sorry there's idiots" or
"I'm sorry for begging the tip jar and then ignoring this joint"
(feel the love, baby)
Posted by: Jess1 otherwise known as Kitty Frontage at March 22, 2013 10:48 AM (lbiWb)
Posted by: toby928© beating memes to death since 2006 at March 22, 2013 10:48 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: © Sponge at March 22, 2013 02:44 PM (xmcEQ)
It involves a number and a letter of the alphabet.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 10:49 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 10:49 AM (I2LwF)
I have some bad news for you, my son...daughter... *.....whatever:
"After the example of Francis of Assisi, the Church in every corner of the globe has always tried to care for and look after those who suffer from want, and I think that in many of your countries you can attest to the generous activity of Christians who dedicate themselves to helping the sick, orphans, the homeless and all the marginalized, thus striving to make society more humane and more just.
But there is another form of poverty! It is the spiritual poverty of our time, which afflicts the so-called richer countries particularly seriously. It is what my much-loved predecessor, Benedict XVI, called the “tyranny of relativism”, which makes everyone his own criterion and endangers the coexistence of peoples. And that brings me to a second reason for my name. Francis of Assisi tells us we should work to build peace. But there is no true peace without truth! There cannot be true peace if everyone is his own criterion, if everyone can always claim exclusively his own rights, without at the same time caring for the good of others, of everyone, on the basis of the nature that unites every human being on this earth." - Pope Francis
Posted by: The Roman Catholic Church at March 22, 2013 10:49 AM (ntNJz)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 10:49 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 02:49 PM (4df7R)
38D
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 22, 2013 10:50 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Jess1 otherwise known as Kitty Frontage at March 22, 2013 10:50 AM (lbiWb)
Posted by: tasker at March 22, 2013 10:50 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Biblio at March 22, 2013 10:50 AM (7o8VY)
I realize this isn't the point of the post but....I *think* there was an Iraqi woman apprehended on the Mexican border with terrorism in mind. Anyone else remember this?
Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 22, 2013 10:50 AM (X6akg)
This comes as a major surprise to him, as I'll note later.
Ooooh, really? EE, I can't wait!
*runs to get some popcorn*
I pop my own popcorn, btw. I don't insist on buying big tubs of it at the movie theater like Congressional staffers probably do.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 10:50 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Quint at March 22, 2013 10:50 AM (KHo8t)
Posted by: Dang - in a lab coat, smoking an e-pipe at March 22, 2013 10:50 AM (R18D0)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: tasker at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Guido PHD Squidology at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (NQq8e)
Posted by: mugiwara at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (+uAjr)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (VtjlW)
"I don't insist on buying big tubs of it at the movie theater like Congressional staffers probably do."
Nah, they have Stella's deliver.
(real DC Popcorn truck)
Posted by: Jess1 otherwise known as Kitty Frontage at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (lbiWb)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (wR+pz)
MWR, we have to measure you for the academic robes for your installation on Saturday.
You're so cute.
And no. 
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Conor's friedersdorf at March 22, 2013 10:51 AM (xXCNf)
Posted by: Ian S. at March 22, 2013 10:52 AM (B/VB5)
I love it when Daddy roasts cockroaches on Twitter.
Google needs to install a protection program for idiots like Conors-dorf, who forget what they wrote about.
Posted by: wheatie at March 22, 2013 10:52 AM (UMBJ2)
I'm living proof that homosexuality is in fact, a mental illness and a completely dysfunctional choice of lifestyle!
Now who wants some hairy smelly man-ass?
Oh oh oh I DO!!!!
*fap fap fap*
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 22, 2013 10:53 AM (ntNJz)
Posted by: EC at March 22, 2013 02:51 PM (doBIb)
lol!
Nah, they have Stella's deliver.
(real DC Popcorn truck)
*FACEPALM* Of course there's delivery popcorn in DC. It's silly of me to assume there wouldn't be.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 10:53 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tasker at March 22, 2013 10:54 AM (r2PLg)
I read his BS. The point is that no one, including him, thought it odd at the time based on available information. Because....that's the information we had.
Yet only in hindsight can he be shocked by his thoughts. Only now can he go back to revisit his rethuglikkkan self and be repulsed by the vision.
Why is revisionist history the purview of the left?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 10:54 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: EC at March 22, 2013 10:54 AM (doBIb)
Sounds German. You can't trust those guys, you know . Always wanting to rule the world.
We have spellcheck again?
Posted by: Ook? at March 22, 2013 10:54 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Tom Seaver at March 22, 2013 10:54 AM (T4dLI)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 10:54 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: tasker at March 22, 2013 10:55 AM (r2PLg)
0_o
What was ace... nevermind, I don't think I want to know.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 22, 2013 10:56 AM (YEelc)
"Of course there's delivery popcorn in DC"
You mean they don't everywhere else? I've been here too long....
Posted by: Jess1 otherwise known as Kitty Frontage at March 22, 2013 10:56 AM (lbiWb)
Posted by: Dante at March 22, 2013 10:56 AM (SkFDg)
Posted by: DanInMN at March 22, 2013 10:56 AM (XqeyF)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 02:53 PM (4df7R)
Nice attempt at changing the subject.
We're focused like a LASER here. Not like the Owebama Jobs laser, but a REAL laser.....ON. POINT.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 22, 2013 10:57 AM (xmcEQ)
I have can call the "New York Gun Tip Line" because I knew some people that were taking guns into New Yerk. They know it is illegal and the Hotline call was answered by state police and I gave them the names of Brattleboro residents trying to go hunting there. I did receive the $500 reward and sent the check to Presdent Obama to get guns off are streets. We are proud of this and want to know what have you peeple done to help in erasing this problem cause by Bush??????????
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at March 22, 2013 10:57 AM (3lMGK)
Was he the guy that did 'Golfing With Dorf"
Posted by: polynikes at March 22, 2013 10:58 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 22, 2013 10:58 AM (HDgX3)
So what is Conor's point? Yelling at Malking "Neener-Neener!"?? What a tool. Anyone that can defend Sullivan makes them even more of a tool.
Posted by: Cheri at March 22, 2013 10:58 AM (EAgmr)
*cums twice passes out and shits himself*
zzzzzzzzzz
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 22, 2013 10:58 AM (ntNJz)
Posted by: Ook? at March 22, 2013 10:58 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 22, 2013 10:58 AM (PP8La)
Posted by: tasker at March 22, 2013 10:59 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 22, 2013 10:59 AM (PP8La)
"Nice attempt at changing the subject"
Dude, seriously? C'mon - a little light conversation, some mellow music in the background, a glass or two of wine, a roofie....
wait, what?
Posted by: Jess1 otherwise known as Kitty Frontage at March 22, 2013 11:00 AM (lbiWb)
Posted by: Baldy at March 22, 2013 11:00 AM (opS9C)
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 02:49 PM (I2LwF)
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The meat is red, honey.
Posted by: Andy Sullivan at March 22, 2013 11:00 AM (VYVES)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 22, 2013 11:00 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Sidney Allen Johnson at March 22, 2013 11:00 AM (sQdES)
I've narrowed down MWR's measurements to somewhere between 30 and 40 and A and F judging by her commenting frequency, hash ID, and time of day accounting for Daylight savings and Coriolis effect. I'm certain the true answer lies between these figures so why don't we just cut to the chase and get on with it??!?!?!?!
Posted by: EC at March 22, 2013 11:00 AM (doBIb)
Posted by: Alte Schule - AKA Gunner Hennessey at March 22, 2013 11:00 AM (H6jRZ)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 22, 2013 11:00 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Kensington at March 22, 2013 11:00 AM (/AHDz)
Posted by: Eddie Baby at March 22, 2013 11:01 AM (OtIbw)
Posted by: mugiwara at March 22, 2013 11:01 AM (+uAjr)
Robert A. Ferrari, 57, could get up to two years in federal prison under a plea bargain that also requires him to admit to related state charges.
Based on information provided by Ferrari, 20 Iraqi men were arrested in Pennsylvania, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas and Washington state in late September amid fears that terrorists might be planning attacks using trucks hauling hazardous materials. Federal authorities have since determined Â… http://tinyurl.com/beuqrfc
Posted by: Baldy at March 22, 2013 11:01 AM (opS9C)
Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 22, 2013 11:02 AM (PP8La)
I read his BS. The point is that no one, including him, thought it odd at the time based on available information. Because....that's the information we had.
And frankly, anyone who's NOT concerned about the potential for terrorists to sneak across the border TO THIS VERY DAY is being, IMO, dangerously naive. They might not be Iraqi terrorists, but neither were the 9/11 hijackers. Hezbollah's presence in Mexico is still growing.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 11:02 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Dante at March 22, 2013 11:02 AM (SkFDg)
I have literally never experienced raw Andrew Sullivan.
Sully *did* advertise for "bareback" in that personal ad Ace found...
Posted by: Ian S. at March 22, 2013 02:52 PM (B/VB5)
People use this to make fun of Sullivan but its really not funny since he knew he was HIV when he was soliciting unprotected sex. Fucking scumbag.
Posted by: polynikes at March 22, 2013 11:03 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: no good deed at March 22, 2013 11:03 AM (xXCNf)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 22, 2013 11:04 AM (AEwiK)
Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 22, 2013 11:04 AM (PP8La)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 02:49 PM (4df7R)
48E?
Are we supposed to guess?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 11:05 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: zsasz at March 22, 2013 11:05 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan (aka Milky Loads) at March 22, 2013 11:05 AM (ntNJz)
In retrospect, it's a freaking miracle that only 3,000 people died that day. It could easily have been 100,000+ if the planes had hit a little later in the day, or if either of the buildings had toppled.
But the idiots would rather just sniff about over reactions rather than acknowledge this.
Posted by: Kensington at March 22, 2013 11:05 AM (/AHDz)
*shivers and starts crying*
Posted by: The Q at March 22, 2013 11:05 AM (yVmMc)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 22, 2013 11:06 AM (XYSwB)
On a grander, more cosmic scale...
Why is it that doucebags like Conor and Sully have actual jobs blogging, complete with paychecks and occasional spots on cable tv panels? Or, more to the point, why doesn't Ace have a place in the commentary glitteratti?
What does the political opinion business have against talent?
Even a total hack like James Joyner at Outside the Beltway gets an occasional ego handjob from CNN. If an absolute know-nothing, shallow, uninteresting piece of shit like him can land a panel now and then, why can't an award winning blogger?
Just wondering.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 11:06 AM (u2a4R)
AtC attracts internet stalkers like TFG draws flies.
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 22, 2013 03:00 PM (yn6XZ)
Is it really stalking if she doesn't know you're doing it?
*shifty eyes* *Cheshire grin*
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 11:06 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 22, 2013 11:06 AM (AEwiK)
You mean they don't everywhere else? I've been here too long....
Posted by: Jess1 otherwise known as Kitty Frontage at March 22, 2013 02:56 PM (lbiWb) /i]
lol! Well they don't in my section of NH, but then we don't even have 10 pin bowling, so make of that what you will. Candlepin FTW, baby!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 11:06 AM (4df7R)
What does the political opinion business have against talent?
Even a total hack like James Joyner at Outside the Beltway gets an occasional ego handjob from CNN. If an absolute know-nothing, shallow, uninteresting piece of shit like him can land a panel now and then, why can't an award winning blogger?
Just wondering.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 03:06 PM (u2a4R)
I'm going with "because he doesn't want anyone to know who he is, which would open him up to SWATing and Breitbarting."
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 11:07 AM (fwARV)
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I'm all for jumping up and down upon Andrew Sullivan, over and over, but I seem to recall that the website in question was specifically for HIV positive men. His status, if not overtly mentioned (although I think it was), shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone who might have responded.
Posted by: Kensington at March 22, 2013 11:07 AM (/AHDz)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 11:08 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 22, 2013 11:08 AM (AEwiK)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 22, 2013 11:08 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 22, 2013 11:09 AM (fMeZt)
ACE, FYI
Stacey McCain loves beating on Connor Friersdork like he's a pinata. You may want to give him a heads up and a chance to beat on the idiot too.
McCain also has a post that Donald "I'm not bankrupt this year" Trump is also beating up on Michelle Malkin. What did she do, piss in their lemonade?
Posted by: rd at March 22, 2013 11:09 AM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 11:09 AM (n8LUb)
"I'm going with "because he doesn't want anyone to know who he is, which would open him up to SWATing and Breitbarting."
No, that can't be it.
Ace is just as much an attention whore as the rest of them. No, there must be something else.
Perhaps he doesn't interview well. Maybe he has an odd sense of style or really bad body odor.
There must be a reason.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 11:10 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Jeff in Mi at March 22, 2013 11:10 AM (1z8rY)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 22, 2013 11:10 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Kensington at March 22, 2013 11:10 AM (/AHDz)
We have spellcheck again?
Posted by: Ook? at March 22, 2013 02:54 PM (OQpzc)
Not true about that ruling the world bit, although all of us of German descent do sometimes feel an inexplicable, irresistible urge to invade France.
Posted by: troyriser at March 22, 2013 11:10 AM (vtiE6)
Can we line up a bunch of people to claim to be ace, and send a different person to each network that wants to interview "ace"? Or maybe have a stable of five or six people for CNN, another group for fox, etc.? Send a different one each time they ask.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 22, 2013 11:10 AM (YEelc)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 03:08 PM (4df7R)
Getting your cup size out in the open would help that greatly, I'm told.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 22, 2013 11:11 AM (xmcEQ)
These people are evil and must be stopped. To retain their own personal power and the life styles that they have become accustomed to - they will sell America and it's citizens away. They simply don't fucking care.
FWIW I've sent letters, emails, and made phone calls.
Posted by: Cheri at March 22, 2013 11:11 AM (EAgmr)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 22, 2013 11:11 AM (Ud5vq)
Posted by: zsasz at March 22, 2013 11:11 AM (MMC8r)
Also, he tends to seize up, get flop sweats, and sob uncontrollably when on camera. Not really his sort of venue.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 22, 2013 11:11 AM (bcLhD)
There must be a reason.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 03:10 PM (u2a4R)
Hm... Ewoks DO have a slight odor...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 11:12 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: no good deed at March 22, 2013 03:03 PM (xXCNf)
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You're right. We come from a civilized region of the world and worship in a peaceful and loving religion.
Posted by: Andy Sullivan at March 22, 2013 11:12 AM (VYVES)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 22, 2013 11:12 AM (XYSwB)
Can we line up a bunch of people to claim to be ace, and send a different person to each network that wants to interview "ace"? Or maybe have a stable of five or six people for CNN, another group for fox, etc.? Send a different one each time they ask.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 22, 2013 03:10 PM (YEelc)
"I am Ace."
"No, I am Ace."
It'd be glorious.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 11:12 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: archie goodwin at March 22, 2013 11:12 AM (Jsiw/)
That's exactly what he was doing. The likes of Chrissy Matthews still pull the "Oh yeah, but Birthers!!!" thing in an attempt to stifle debate and belittle opponents if there's fewer than six degrees of separation between a Republican and Donald Trump.
Sadly, many on our side fell for it, just as they're playing into Obama's ploy to fracture the GOP.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 22, 2013 11:13 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 22, 2013 11:14 AM (PP8La)
"Palin really rode Trig Trutherism to the nomination, huh? Like a stallion."
Chronologically speaking, wouldn't that be putting the cart before the horse?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at March 22, 2013 11:14 AM (hLRSq)
Katherine Smith is killed one day before her scheduled appearance in court on charges she helped
five Islamic men get illegal drivers licenses. According to witnesses, she veered into a utility pole when a fire erupted in her car.
She was burned beyond recognition. The FBI later determines that gasoline was poured on her clothing
before she died in the fire and find that arson was the cause of death.
[Associated Press, 2/15/2002]
A suicide note was found, but prosecutors say they are looking for murder suspects. One of the five men, Sakhera Hammad,
was found with a pass in his wallet giving access to the restricted areas of the WTC, dated September 5, 2001.
Hammad claims he was a plumber and worked on the WTCÂ’s sprinkler system that day, but the company with exclusive rights
to all WTC plumbing work has never heard of him. Smith was being investigated by the FBI; the five later plead guilty to charges of fraud.
[Go Memphis, 2/12/2002; Associated Press, 2/13/2002; Reuters, 2/15/2002; Commercial Appeal (Memphis), 2/21/2002]
Posted by: Baldy at March 22, 2013 11:15 AM (opS9C)
"Also, he tends to seize up, get flop sweats, and sob uncontrollably when on camera"
Wait, Ace is John F'ng Boehner? Are you kidding me?
Posted by: Jess1 otherwise known as Kitty Frontage at March 22, 2013 11:15 AM (lbiWb)
Posted by: Jeff in Mi at March 22, 2013 11:16 AM (1z8rY)
No, not at all. It had been a well known thing for years at that point. It was first revealed by Michaelangelo Signorile, I believe, an activist liberal gay guy who loathed Sullivan for being a conservative gay guy (you know, back when he was 'conservative'). It was done to demonstrate Sullivan's 'hypocrisy', because he'd been writing (in places like The New Republic and elsewhere) about the importance of gay males living sexually respectable lifestyles if they wanted a chance for gay marriage to ever succeed. And yet look at what Sully was a-trollin' for in his spare time...
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 22, 2013 11:16 AM (bcLhD)
Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2013 11:16 AM (UzPAd)
I've seen Dana Perino do that a couple times on that show, so Ace wouldn't be unusual in that regard
Posted by: The Q at March 22, 2013 11:16 AM (yVmMc)
"No, I am Ace."
It'd be glorious.
Exactly. One day a 6'2" man is "ace" on CNN, the next it's a 5'6" woman...
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 22, 2013 11:16 AM (YEelc)
Posted by: The Q at March 22, 2013 11:17 AM (yVmMc)
was found with a pass in his wallet giving access to the restricted areas of the WTC, dated September 5, 2001.
Hammad claims he was a plumber and worked on the WTCÂ’s sprinkler system that day, but the company with exclusive rights
to all WTC plumbing work has never heard of him. Smith was being investigated by the FBI; the five later plead guilty to charges of fraud.
[Go Memphis, 2/12/2002; Associated Press, 2/13/2002; Reuters, 2/15/2002; Commercial Appeal (Memphis), 2/21/2002]
Posted by: Baldy at March 22, 2013 03:15 PM (opS9C)
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And why aren't these assholes in Gitmo?
Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2013 11:18 AM (VYVES)
Posted by: Baldy at March 22, 2013 11:18 AM (opS9C)
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I'm sure Fridedrsdorf has previously put it into the record that this is what Obama was doing with the birthers, no?
Posted by: Alec Leamas at March 22, 2013 11:20 AM (iR2Oi)
Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 22, 2013 11:24 AM (PP8La)
Posted by: Kensington at March 22, 2013 03:07 PM (/AHDz)
If this is correct, which I do not recall being so, then my admonishment is off base which would require an apology. I will clarify before any further comments.
Posted by: polynikes at March 22, 2013 11:28 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Whatev at March 22, 2013 11:29 AM (A7Wh1)
It's definitely correct. The site was for gay male HIV+ singles.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 22, 2013 11:31 AM (bcLhD)
So no, Sullivan wasn't soliciting unprotected sex whilst hiding his HIV status from people.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 22, 2013 11:32 AM (bcLhD)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 22, 2013 03:31 PM (bcLhD)
You're not a credible source. Same as me.
Posted by: polynikes at March 22, 2013 11:32 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: zsasz at March 22, 2013 11:33 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 22, 2013 11:36 AM (/AHDz)
Well then Google is your friend. "Andrew Sullivan personal ad" will take you as, like, the first hit to an article from The Nation where the whole situation is explained, and it makes clear that Sullivan listed himself as HIV+ and was looking exclusively for other HIV+ partners.
Here it is: http://www.thenation.com/article/andrew-sullivan-overexposed#
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 22, 2013 11:38 AM (bcLhD)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 11:38 AM (g7q64)
I did confirm he did identify as HIV positive on the web site which was not just for HIV positive males which would make sense to have to identify yourself. Seems redundant.
Anyway, I was very , very wrong to make that incorrect statement.
Posted by: polynikes at March 22, 2013 11:40 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 11:40 AM (g7q64)
Hey, you know what? I wouldn't give two shits if that's what he was doing. It's really no different than a personal ad in the newspaper, albeit quite a good deal more explicit.
What made it explosive is that, during his day job, Sullivan had been one of the biggest scolds of the gay male political world, chastising the outwardly libertine, intentionally transgressive, uber-promiscuous behavior of gay culture as things which prevented it from making political progress. (He was actually 100% correct about this, BTW, from a political analysis standpoint.) So it was TEH HYPOCRISY that got him 'outed' here.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 22, 2013 11:44 AM (bcLhD)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 11:49 AM (g7q64)
Posted by: Baldy at March 22, 2013 11:51 AM (opS9C)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 11:53 AM (g7q64)
Posted by: Baldy at March 22, 2013 11:53 AM (opS9C)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 22, 2013 12:07 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: tasker at March 22, 2013 12:12 PM (r2PLg)
almost 200 comments in, and I've finally come over to say "Never heard of him"
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 22, 2013 12:13 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 22, 2013 12:14 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: tasker at March 22, 2013 12:15 PM (r2PLg)
He craves attention and can't attract any by his ideas, observations, or reporting, so he picks these fights.
It is better to ignore the little sh*t, and very easy to do.
Posted by: Adjoran at March 22, 2013 12:20 PM (9uOra)
Posted by: gekkobear at March 22, 2013 01:33 PM (BI9vB)
Read the IDA report which examined documents we captured during the Iraq invasion.
Saddam was working with far ranging groups like Ansar al Islam, Palestinians oh and yes, AQ who would help coordinate and carry out his objectives.
Also read up on Ahmad Hikmat Shakir. It's an eye opener.
Posted by: Marcus at March 22, 2013 04:57 PM (CBs3a)
"A: So, are terrorists coming across the Southwest border? Not in great numbers.
Q: There are some cases?
A: There are some. And would they use it as a path, given it was available to them? In time they will.
Q: If they're successful at it, then they'll probably repeat it.
A: Sure. There were a significant number of Iraqis who came across last year. Smuggled across illegally.
Q: Where was that?
A: Across the Southwest border.
Q: Can you give me anymore detail?
A: I probably could if I had my notebook. It's significant numbers. I'll have somebody get it for you. I don't remember what it is. The point is it went from a number to (triple) in a single year, because they figured it out. Now some we caught, some we didn't. The ones that get in, what are they going to do? They're going to write home. So, it's not rocket science, word will move around. There's a program now in South America, where you can, once you're in South American countries, you can move around in South America and Central America without a visa. So you get a forged passport in Lebanon or where ever that gets you to South America. Now, no visa, you can move around, and with you're forged passport, as a citizen of whatever, you could come across that border. So, what I'm highlighting is that something ...
Q: Is this how it happened, the cases you're talking about?
A: Yes."
Posted by: DRJ at March 22, 2013 08:07 PM (iqHi+)
Friedersdorf is on the side of Fisher-Price politics, where being able to simultaneously suck your thumb, shit your pants and cry like a baby is a sign of high cognitive ability.
Posted by: physics geek at March 23, 2013 05:04 AM (llWHs)
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