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August 19, 2013

State Department Leaked Top-Secret Stuxnet Information?
— Ace

Stuxnet was the cyber-warfare equivalent of the atomic bomb.

So why did the Administration promiscuously put it out all over town?

Internal State Department emails reportedly show the White House cooperated with a journalist whose revelations about an anti-Iran cyberattack are now the subject of a high-profile leak probe.
The Washington Times reported Monday on emails, from late 2011 to early 2012, obtained by the nonprofit Freedom Watch after the group filed suit in federal court. They detail discussions New York Times reporter David Sanger had with the State Department before the publication of a book that revealed classified information about the so-called Stuxnet computer worm, which targeted IranÂ’s nuclear facilities.
In one email, Sanger reportedly pressed the State Department to cooperate by noting the help heÂ’d gotten from other wings of the Obama administration.
Â“IÂ’m getting a bit concerned about the pace of our interviews Â— or lack of pace, to be more precise Â— for the book,Â” Sanger reportedly said in the October 2011 message to a State Department press officer. Â“The White House is steaming away; IÂ’ve seen [National Security Adviser Thomas E.] Donilon many times and a raft of people below. Doing well at the Pentagon. But on the list I sent you starting on Sept. 12 weÂ’ve scheduled nothing, and chapters are getting into final form.Â”

Sounds like Donilon was largely responsible for early leaks and then Sanger leveraged those leaks into additional ones from State.

I'm sure Holder will be getting right to the bottom of this, just as he's getting to the bottom of James Clapper's congressional perjury.

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1 Top. Men.

Posted by: wooga at August 19, 2013 09:13 AM (A5KLl)

2 And by "top men," I mean power bottoms.

Posted by: wooga at August 19, 2013 09:13 AM (A5KLl)

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 09:14 AM (/PCJa)

4 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 09:14 AM (/PCJa)

5 Gutsy Call

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 19, 2013 09:14 AM (8ZskC)

6 There won't be a satisfactory resolution to the Clapper caper until he's arrested by the coppers.

Posted by: Joe Friday at August 19, 2013 09:15 AM (8ZskC)

7 Smart Power!

Posted by: lauren at August 19, 2013 09:15 AM (ELdpj)

8 We all knew that national security took a back seat to Democrats' political interests, but this should be a bridge too far even for them. Sadly, I doubt it will be.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 09:16 AM (/PCJa)

9 They got reelected, so it was win-win for them. The fact that it harmed our security was just a bonus for them.

Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 09:16 AM (RD7QR)

Anything that hurts Israel and her interests is bound to be leaked by this administration.

Affirmative Action Jackson is Rashid Khalidi's Dancing Boy

Posted by: garrett at August 19, 2013 09:16 AM (Kzy18)

11 I always found it curious how NYT knew that much about Stuxnet that fast. Ahh, the magic of Obama.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 19, 2013 09:18 AM (tiT+I)

Have they made Obama's missives to the Mullahs public?

Posted by: garrett at August 19, 2013 09:18 AM (Kzy18)

13 National Security is just window dressing and a prop for these commie bastard lefties in the White House and State. Just like the Military is. Fuck em

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 09:18 AM (9Xc5j)

14 What part of "Top Secret" was unclear to you pinheads?

Posted by: NR Pax at August 19, 2013 09:18 AM (U+O64)

15 Have they made Obama's missives to the Mullahs public? They'll release that about 15 minutes after the Rashid Kalhidi tape gets released. Which should be about noon on the 12th of Nevember.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 09:19 AM (/PCJa)

16 How stupid! We admitted we hacked Iran's shit because it was cool to do so. Short-sighted motherfuckers.

Posted by: EC at August 19, 2013 09:19 AM (GQ8sn)

17 Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

It's like he's a secret Muslim!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 19, 2013 09:20 AM (wtvvX)

18 The most corrupt administration since Grant and they long ago passed him. They ALL belong in jail, EVERY.DAMN.ONE.OF.THEM.

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 09:20 AM (lZvxr)

19
WH rule #1: Anything good is because of Obama.

WH rule #2: Anything bad is somebody else.

WH rule #3: There are only three rules.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 19, 2013 09:20 AM (qM18f)

20 If we don't reveal all this stuff we've done then how will anyone know that we're really not worthless pussies and are actually badasses defending this shithole worthless country full of racist rednecks?

Posted by: Obama Administration at August 19, 2013 09:21 AM (LI48c)

21 No, Vic, they don't all belong in jail.

Some should face another type of justice....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 19, 2013 09:21 AM (wtvvX)

22 They are all treasonous bastards

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 09:21 AM (9Xc5j)

23 18 The most corrupt administration since Grant and they long ago passed him. They ALL belong in jail, EVERY.DAMN.ONE.OF.THEM.

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 01:20 PM (lZvxr)

U.S. Grant actually loved his country. Obama, not so much.

Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 09:22 AM (RD7QR)

24 Some of us were poo-pooed for stating that the Zero administration knew no depts to their corruption. Well, how about now?

Posted by: maddogg at August 19, 2013 09:23 AM (xWW96)

25 Bring in the Rodeo Clowns

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 19, 2013 09:24 AM (IXrOn)

26 THE most transparent presidency Evah!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 19, 2013 09:24 AM (f9c2L)

27 23 U.S. Grant actually loved his country. Obama, not so much.

Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 01:22 PM (RD7QR)

maybe but he sure had a lot of corrupt assholes in his admin.

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 09:25 AM (lZvxr)

28 Seriously? "I have a book coming out and you at the State Department are not helping, chop chop let's pick up the pace. I and my publisher demand better access." WTF?

Posted by: scofflawx at August 19, 2013 09:25 AM (hcgfJ)

29 @17: He makes no effort at keeping it a secret though. Or at much else, except maybe Reggie.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 19, 2013 09:25 AM (tiT+I)

30 Related: I'd thought Transformers 3 missed out on a cool opportunity here to have a neat scene where a little Autobot is smuggled into an Iranian nuclear facility and than proceeds to interface with their computer network and upload the Stuxnet virus. He could have transformed from a coffee maker or something else benign. Instead they had a scene where they just shoot their way past the gates.

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 19, 2013 09:26 AM (UypUQ)

31 I don't trust these folks not to use it domestically. The place is being run by a despot enabled by an aristocratic legislature and what appears to be a blackmailed CJ of the SCOTUS.

Posted by: dogfish at August 19, 2013 09:26 AM (nsOJa)

32 Speechless.

Posted by: Cato at August 19, 2013 09:26 AM (sJRju)

33 WHAT DIFFERENCE, AT THIS POINT, DOES IT MAKE? *sounds of nails screeching down chalkboard and dogs howling*

Posted by: Hillary! at August 19, 2013 09:26 AM (LnSim)

34 maybe but he sure had a lot of corrupt assholes in his admin.

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 01:25 PM (lZvxr)

True. Yet more evidence that being a great general won't necessarily make you a great chief executive.

Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 09:27 AM (RD7QR)

35 Wait, so the USA was behind Stuxnet? They don't say in the linked article. Just that they were leaking classified information about it.

So what specifically was classified? The existence of the code, it's application, its payload, its algorithm, its deployment, its target, its origin, what it affected, etc are all pieces that could be classified.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2013 09:27 AM (A0glY)

36 I don't trust these folks not to use it domestically. The place is being run by a despot enabled by an aristocratic legislature and what appears to be a blackmailed CJ of the SCOTUS. Posted by: dogfish at August 19, 2013 01:26 PM (nsOJa) Just wait until they create a version of Stuxnet that shuts down all internet pr0n. Then the terrorists will have truly won.

Posted by: EC at August 19, 2013 09:27 AM (GQ8sn)

37 If JEF had a son, he'd look like Snowden. Why so mad O'bro? Snowden's learned from the best.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 19, 2013 09:27 AM (IXrOn)

38 36 Just wait until they create a version of Stuxnet that shuts down all internet pr0n. Zillions and zillions of sperm will die upon that hill.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at August 19, 2013 09:28 AM (4p5/2)

39 Reporters and State. Slippery business.

Posted by: Megan McCain's Bike Seat at August 19, 2013 09:28 AM (uUq75)

40 I thought this was already widely known. Isn't this the point where we argue that if the President approves something to be released, it's declassified. I don't know that's true btw, I just know that we fight about it. You know, when I said that we needed to stop making everything Top Secret, I didn't mean actually secret stuff. Shit. This would be the perfect place for the Better Off Ted clip where Ted is explaining to Linda that the reason her (fake) project is top secret is because if only bad things were top secret then everyone would know that something top secret is bad. That's the Jabberwocky ep for those with Netflix/Prime (Prrrrriiiiiiiimmmmeeeee). Products are for people who don't have presentations! *adds to shrine to Veronica*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 19, 2013 09:29 AM (VtjlW)

41 17 Barack HUSSEIN Obama. It's like he's a secret Muslim!! Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 19, 2013 01:20 PM (wtvvX) Yes, and not a secret so much anymore. I didn't think so at first, but my lying eyes say otherwise now.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 09:29 AM (Tnlh/)

42 31 I don't trust these folks not to use it domestically. The place is being run by a despot enabled by an aristocratic legislature and what appears to be a blackmailed CJ of the SCOTUS.

Posted by: dogfish at August 19, 2013 01:26 PM (nsOJa)

These days I'm working on the assumption that every computer has a government trojan and/or backdoor on it. The question really is whether you're paranoid enough, not if you're paranoid.

Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 09:30 AM (RD7QR)

43 Barney Frank oversaw the Backdoor Trojan program.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 09:31 AM (ZshNr)

44 Wait, so the USA was behind Stuxnet? They don't say in the linked article. Just that they were leaking classified information about it. So what specifically was classified? The existence of the code, it's application, its payload, its algorithm, its deployment, its target, its origin, what it affected, etc are all pieces that could be classified. Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2013 01:27 PM (A0glY) The "Leaks" seem to indicate that this was a combined US-Israeli project

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 09:31 AM (9Xc5j)

45 These days I'm working on the assumption that every computer has a government trojan and/or backdoor on it. The question really is whether you're paranoid enough, not if you're paranoid. Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 01:30 PM (RD7QR) I'm trying to figure out how the hell they can tell the Lavabit owner that closing down his company is a violation of an order. I mean, seriously, we've crossed that Rubicon too? There had damn well be far more to that story because otherwise can't sleep. NSA spiders will eat me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 19, 2013 09:32 AM (VtjlW)

46 The kiddies are in charge.

Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at August 19, 2013 09:32 AM (Dwehj)

47 This administration would do that to parade around how clever they are when (A) the work was actually done by someone else; (B) the idea came from someone else; and (C) everything that has actually benefitted the USA was started before they came into office, because all of the policies that clearly sprang from their font of wisdom have one underlying theme to them - they suck and are disasters.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Spleen! Now with Oxidizers! at August 19, 2013 09:33 AM (hLRSq)

48 So what is the new news here? I thought this was known a year ago.

Posted by: RWC at August 19, 2013 09:33 AM (fWAjv)

49 @23 - Grant's problem was the same as GWBs - he was too loyal to the wrong underlings and associates. Oddly, this wasn't something that showed up in the military, IIRC it was mostly proximity to his wife and her family that undermined his judgment.

Posted by: JEM at August 19, 2013 09:34 AM (o+SC1)

50 I'm trying to figure out how the hell they can tell the Lavabit owner that closing down his company is a violation of an order. I mean, seriously, we've crossed that Rubicon too?

We've been a fascist nation for awhile now. Just not hiding it anymore.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 19, 2013 09:34 AM (/kI1Q)

51 Yes, and not a secret so much anymore. I didn't think so at first, but my lying eyes say otherwise now. Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 01:29 Don't anyone forget it was the Bill and Bernadine Ayers along with the leadership of Code Pink and donation bundler Jodie Evans that facilitated the Muslim Brotherhood's takeover of Egypt. The Al Qaeda take over of Libya figures prominently since they used our aircraft carriers to provide the air cover.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at August 19, 2013 09:35 AM (MhA4j)

52 So what is the new news here? I thought this was known a year ago. Posted by: RWC at August 19, 2013 01:33 PM (fWAjv) It was. Slow News day I guess

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 09:35 AM (9Xc5j)

53 At this stage of the game I can't see Israel sharing any information with the US again, even if Zombie Ronald Reagan or Zombie Richard Nixon was elected.

The EndTimes, they are a comin'.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at August 19, 2013 09:35 AM (kqqGm)

54 @48 - Look, you can always fall back on the standard assumption: if it was harmful to US interests this executive branch had something to do with it. Not 100% reliable but close enough.

Posted by: JEM at August 19, 2013 09:35 AM (o+SC1)

We are living under a tyranical thugocracy.

November 6, 2012: The day the flames of "the burning" became evident.

Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 09:35 AM (Nxs/f)

State's always been a hive of fellow travelers and outright traitors. They're just more in your face now that Chicago Muhammad is in the White House.

Alger Hiss is laughing from his pole position atop Satan's barbed cock.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 19, 2013 09:36 AM (zF6Iw)

57 The "Leaks" seem to indicate that this was a combined US-Israeli project.

Thanks, NeverGiveUp.

I know there was lots of speculation given how specific the target was and how sophisticated the program was. Experts were saying it must have been either state-sanctioned or something put together by a security (think researchers) group.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2013 09:36 AM (A0glY)

58 A rally in support of embattled San Diego Mayor Bob Filner is scheduled to be held at City Hall Monday, a day after a signature-gathering campaign to qualify a recall vote got underway. The Â“Standing with Mayor Filner and Due ProcessÂ” rally is scheduled to begin at noon and has been organized via the Facebook page, Â“San Diegans for Mayor Bob Filner.Â” The page was created in February Â— nearly five months before Filner was accused of sexual harassment Â— and has 341 Â“likesÂ” as of early Monday. Supporters argue that the mayor is being denied his due process and that the recall campaign against him is being orchestrated by opponents of his political agenda, not his alleged misdeeds. Wow, just wow. Can't wait to see the kind of people who show up for this one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 09:37 AM (9Xc5j)

59 The President can declassify at his whim. Like the boss is never late, everyone else was early. Even if it weren't so, who would call the President on it? That is right no one.

Posted by: bob from table9 at August 19, 2013 09:38 AM (H7qrs)

60 I'm trying to figure out how the hell they can tell the Lavabit owner that closing down his company is a violation of an order. I haven't been following that, so I obviously don't know this to be the case, but one way that would be justified was if he was closing down his company rather than comply with a legally issued order. Imagine a company being given a court-order to turn over certain company information, and deciding to close their doors rather than comply with the court order. It might be the same thing here. I doubt it. But it could be.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 09:38 AM (/PCJa)

61 So what is the new news here? I thought this was known a year ago.

Posted by: RWC

The documents linked to the State Dept are new. And, no, we did not 'know' they existed. We assumed.

Having evidence on paper is a different thing from assuming.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 19, 2013 09:38 AM (hSwFv)

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supreme bitch of the DNC is being interviewed right now on MSNBC.

It's amazing how she can speak while only attacking republicans. She's droned on and on and hasn't said anything bad about any of fellow democrats.

How the fuck is this possible? If this had been an RNC chairman, he would have trashed half the potential conservative presidential candidates by now.

Could it be that she's amazingly intelligent, hyper-articulate and just all-around better than anyone we have on the right? It sure appears that way.

God, it sucks to be in the stupid party.

Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2013 09:39 AM (u2a4R)

63 Ron Brown and Vince Foster were unavailable for comment.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 19, 2013 09:39 AM (71LDo)

64 These days I'm working on the assumption that every computer has a government trojan and/or backdoor on it. The question really is whether you're paranoid enough, not if you're paranoid. Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 01:30 PM (RD7QR) One of the reasons I left off from blogging is that there was so much crime/perfidy/contempt for America coming from this administration every stinking day since January 2009[/] that I was overwhelmed by it. People like Ace got a handle on it, but it was TMI for me. Plus I could see the implications for the country spiritually speaking. They are killing it, as they said they would and setting us up for the caliphate. Thus whenever some new crime is committed or lie is told and goes unpunished, I view it as another stake in the heart of America. And they seem to be asking this: "what are you (real Americans) going to do about it?" That question remains to answered.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 09:39 AM (Tnlh/)

65 Does anyone know where they have posted pictures of President Obama's vacation?

Posted by: LaQuisha Largess' at August 19, 2013 09:40 AM (R8X+X)

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 09:40 AM (Tnlh/)

>>>>Debbie Wasserman Schultz, supreme bitch of the DNC is being interviewed right now on MSNBC.

Echo, Echo, Echo....

Posted by: Roy at August 19, 2013 09:40 AM (VndSC)

68 to be answered

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 09:40 AM (Tnlh/)

69 17 Barack HUSSEIN Obama. It's like he's a secret Muslim!! Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 19, 2013 01:20 PM (wtvvX) That's crazy talk.

Posted by: Michael Medved at August 19, 2013 09:40 AM (zoehZ)

70 The Â“Standing with Mayor Filner and Due ProcessÂ” rally is scheduled to begin at noon and has been organized via the Facebook page, Â“San Diegans for Mayor Bob Filner.Â” The page was created in February Â— nearly five months before Filner was accused of sexual harassment Â— and has 341 Â“likesÂ” as of early Monday.

Supporters argue that the mayor is being denied his due process and that the recall campaign against him is being orchestrated by opponents of his political agenda, not his alleged misdeeds.

Wow, just wow. Can't wait to see the kind of people who show up for this one

Isn't the recall process, be it for whatever reason and done within the law, due process also?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at August 19, 2013 09:41 AM (kqqGm)

71 @56 - Oh, are you kidding? We just went into production on Foggy Bottom Bottoms #43. We've got Henry Wallace and half of FDR's State Department riding that thing. Let me tell you, Satan don't need no blue pills to keep it up for this crowd.

Posted by: Joachim Ribbentrop, PR Director, Hell Hole Video Inc. at August 19, 2013 09:42 AM (o+SC1)

72 Wow, just wow. Can't wait to see the kind of people who show up for this one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 01:37 PM (9Xc5j)

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It'll be attended by stupid fat women, wannabe rapists, and NAMBLA.

Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 09:42 AM (Nxs/f)

73 Holder is too busy suing states over voter ID registration and trying to deport home schoolers who came here for asylum. He is a disgrace to his office. I find it harder to pray for that crook than i do for Obama.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2013 09:42 AM (2Tv3A)

The Â“Standing with Mayor Filner and Due ProcessÂ” rally is scheduled to begin at noon and has been organized via the Facebook page, Â“San Diegans for Mayor Bob Filner.Â” The page was created in February Â— nearly five months before Filner was accused of sexual harassment Â— and has 341 Â“likesÂ” as of early Monday.

So... It was formed five months before Filner was accused of anything? WTH for?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 19, 2013 09:43 AM (4df7R)

Who was the Secretary of State during this time? I forget.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 19, 2013 09:43 AM (lL1xY)

76 It'll be attended by stupid fat women, wannabe rapists, and NAMBLA. Hairy Reed keynote speaker?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 09:43 AM (uVkIH)

77 I bet if Scott Walker laid hands on a great-grandma with intent to copulate, they'd lose this new-found interest in due process practically instantly.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at August 19, 2013 09:43 AM (4p5/2)

78 Having evidence on paper is a different thing from assuming.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 19, 2013 01:38 PM

1. Impeach.

2. Indict.

3. Imprison.

4. *crickets*

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2013 09:44 AM (kaGpp)

79 Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 19, 2013 01:38 PM (hSwFv) Got it. Thanks. When is Issa going to hold a hearing?

Posted by: RWC at August 19, 2013 09:44 AM (fWAjv)

80 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 01:37 PM (9Xc5j) Yeah, because everyone against Filner is against his political agenda because there are Sooooo many conservatives in San Diego.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2013 09:44 AM (2Tv3A)

81 @70 - We've already got a script, 'Bend Over For Bob'. He's gonna pop an aneurysm sooner or later, then we'll go to production.

Posted by: Joachim Ribbentrop, PR Director, Hell Hole Video Inc. at August 19, 2013 09:44 AM (o+SC1)

82 The page was created in February "nearly five months before Filner was accused of sexual harassment" and has 341 "likes" as of early Monday. So... It was formed five months before Filner was accused of anything? WTH for? Someone knew.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 09:44 AM (uVkIH)

83 What are real Americans doing? Hoping someone else makes the first move, because the first nail that sticks up will get pounded hard.

Posted by: Cato at August 19, 2013 09:45 AM (sJRju)

84 73 Holder is too busy suing states over voter ID registration and trying to deport home schoolers who came here for asylum. He is a disgrace to his office. I find it harder to pray for that crook than i do for Obama. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2013 01:42 PM (2Tv3A) Praying for Obama is more difficult than loving ones neighbor as self. Chinless Wonder isn't my leader so I don't bother.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 09:45 AM (Tnlh/)

85 #80 was sarcasm by the way.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2013 09:45 AM (2Tv3A)

86 @74 - 'Standing with Bob Filner. Just not too close'.

Posted by: JEM at August 19, 2013 09:45 AM (o+SC1)

87 Sounds like Donilon was largely responsible for early leaks and then Sanger leveraged those leaks into additional ones from State.

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*ragestroke*

These "people" (and I use the term loosely) see the intelligence and national security apparatus of the United States government not as a means of preserving the liberty of the citizenry but rather as a means of preserving their own political power.

This will not end well.

Posted by: Nighthawk at August 19, 2013 09:45 AM (OtQXp)

88 And they seem to be asking this: "what are you (real Americans) going to do about it?"

That question remains to answered.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 01:39 PM (Tnlh/)

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Agree. They're pushing, pushing, pushing us hard. They want to the first shot to be fired by a conservative.

Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 09:45 AM (Nxs/f)

89 Isn't the recall process, be it for whatever reason and done within the law, due process also? You misunderstand. See, the rules are different for Democrats. For Republicans, a duly convened recall election might be due process. But for Democrats you have to consult the following rules: 1) Endless "investigations," "hearings," or "committees" = due process. 2) Actual consequences = being deprived of due process.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 09:46 AM (/PCJa)

90 "So why did the Administration promiscuously put it out all over town?" Because Obama is the stupidest dumbfuck to every be allowed near the levers of power. Were the media a "fourth estate" instead of a cheering squad for Democrats, Obama would never have been placed in a position of influence.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 09:47 AM (bb5+k)

91 That's called spiking the football and doing the dirty bird, wingnuts.

Posted by: The Earl of Squirrel at August 19, 2013 09:47 AM (K7xnX)

92 @85 - actually, San Diego is probably the most conservative of California's coastal metropoles. Navy influence, Orange County exiles fleeing from the north, etc.

Posted by: JEM at August 19, 2013 09:47 AM (o+SC1)

93 So why did the Administration promiscuously put it out all over town? Remember when this country used to fry traitors? Now, it's President Julius Rosenberg.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 19, 2013 09:47 AM (V3kRK)

94 Agree. They're pushing, pushing, pushing us hard. They want to the first shot to be fired by a conservative. And by not getting it, they are going to pop a blood vessle and over-reach.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 09:48 AM (uVkIH)

95 Both Clapper and Donilon belong in jail

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 09:48 AM (9Xc5j)

96 Now, it's President Julius Rosenberg. Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 19, 2013 01:47 PM (V3kRK) ???? But obama doesn't look joooish?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 09:49 AM (9Xc5j)

97
When is Issa going to hold a hearing?

Posted by: RWC

I can't be the only one wondering why everything has to go through Issa. I get that the Oversight Committee holds the spotlight, but there are other committees that could hold hearings as well.

Oh, right. We're talking about the GOP.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 19, 2013 09:49 AM (hSwFv)

98 Both Clapper and Donilon ~~belong in jail~~ should be strapped to a gurney FFA

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 09:49 AM (/PCJa)

99 What about Panetta blabbing about Seal Team Six's involvement in the Bin Laden raid at that open air awards ceremony (or whatever the heck it was)? Did that ever go anywhere?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 19, 2013 09:49 AM (4df7R)

100

No.... Holder was busy telling other people not to enforce OTHER laws he does not like...

Just like the Moslem brotherhood buy in Egypt... he MUST have a file on Obama...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 19, 2013 09:50 AM (lZBBB)

101 What are real Americans doing? Hoping someone else makes the first move, because the first nail that sticks up will get pounded hard.

Posted by: Cato at August 19, 2013 01:45 PM (sJRju)

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And that's the problem. Everyone is expecting someone else to make the sacrifice. Until that mentality is defeated, nothing will happen to really resist this.

Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 09:50 AM (Nxs/f)

102 Anything to seem to look good, damn the consequences. Ugh.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 19, 2013 09:50 AM (kENvx)

103 And by not getting it, they are going to pop a blood vessle and over-reach. Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 01:48 PM (uVkIH) By my reckoning, they overreached a long time ago. By the reckoning of the LIV? Not so much.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 09:50 AM (bb5+k)

104 We don't see what the big deal is...

Posted by: Ethel and Julius Rosenberg at August 19, 2013 09:51 AM (sWy3V)

105 @73 - the question is when you're praying for Holder just what you praying FOR? A little extra Satanic smegma when he goes for the whoopee-ride? We can arrange that. But first he's got to come down here...

Posted by: Joachim Ribbentrop, PR Director, Hell Hole Video Inc. at August 19, 2013 09:51 AM (o+SC1)

106 90 "So why did the Administration promiscuously put it out all over town?" Because Obama is the stupidest dumbfuck to every be allowed near the levers of power. Were the media a "fourth estate" instead of a cheering squad for Democrats, Obama would never have been placed in a position of influence. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 01:47 PM (bb5+k) Not denying that BHO has barely a triple digit IQ, but exposing America's national security secrets isn't stupid if the goal is to weaken and destroy that edifice. Remember: the DCI is a Muslim. His former position? Deputy National Security Advisor.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 09:52 AM (Tnlh/)

107 @94. I've always seen it like an old west card game. All the cards are on the table, all seven aces for everyone to see, the accusations are all made, the hands are on the holsters, and everyone has frozen and is giving the other the "dare you to move" look.

Posted by: Cato at August 19, 2013 09:53 AM (sJRju)

108 So... It was formed five months before Filner was accused of anything? WTH for? Someone knew. Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 01:44 PM (uVkIH) The page created at the time was a generic "San Diegans for Mayor Bob Filner" support page. It was actually created on Feb. 22.

Posted by: RWC at August 19, 2013 09:54 AM (fWAjv)

109

Posted by: Cato at August 19, 2013 01:53 PM (sJRju)

Aces... and Eights?

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 19, 2013 09:54 AM (lZBBB)

110 The most corrupt administration since Grant and they long ago passed him. They ALL belong in jail, EVERY.DAMN.ONE.OF.THEM.

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 01:20 PM (lZvxr)

U.S. Grant actually loved his country. Obama, not so much.

Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 01:22 PM (RD7QR)

Grant gets a bad rap for the scandals that plagued his admistration. Although personally incorruptible, Grant simply wasn't a good judge of subordinates in civilian life. He felt those under him would feel as he did; that is, as a patriotic duty, solely motivated by love of country. Grant couldn't conceive that officials in his Administration--many of whom had served under him during the Civil War--would be motivated by greed. He also ran his administration like a general, from the top down, expecting every order to be obeyed and expeditiously carried out. Truth is, he never stopped being a general even when he became president.

I strongly recommend that everyone read Grant's memoirs. He's a wonderful writer and you really get a feel for how he thinks. Although flawed in many ways, he was not a man capable of graft.

Posted by: troyriser at August 19, 2013 09:54 AM (O66NZ)

111 And by not getting it, they are going to pop a blood vessle and over-reach.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 01:48 PM (uVkIH)

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Refer to # 101.

Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 09:55 AM (Nxs/f)

112 @108: Everyone at the table is holding Aces & 8s.

Posted by: Cato at August 19, 2013 09:55 AM (sJRju)

113 The appointment of Donilon as National Security Advisor was a joke. A horrific joke. The guys a lawyer, a lobbyist, a Fannie Mae crook, a political arm-twister. Outside of a brief stint in Clinton's State Dept, a job he got in exchange for political favors and at which he distinguished himself by his incompetence, he has NO experience in foreign affairs.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2013 09:55 AM (C8mVl)

114 109 even. Hmm. Typos.

Posted by: Cato at August 19, 2013 09:56 AM (sJRju)

115 The Democrats are 100% Pure Political Animals. Every single thing they do or not do is for political purposes.

Posted by: soothsayer lightfoot at August 19, 2013 09:57 AM (Db4mp)

116 Are comments gone?

Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 10:01 AM (Nxs/f)

117 This is looking more like Plumbers Ass syndrome with these leaks. My apologies to those tradesmen.

Posted by: RIDDLER at August 19, 2013 10:01 AM (4L2D1)

118 I think everyone went for the ValuRite when the mood sank low enough.

Posted by: Cato at August 19, 2013 10:02 AM (sJRju)

119 @ 115 unlike the RINOS who do their part to shore that up.

Posted by: RIDDLER at August 19, 2013 10:03 AM (4L2D1)

120 Brotherhood Wages War on Christians AP/Reuters As violence envelops Egypt, Christians are paying a heavy price in what one Coptic leader called an attempt at ethnic cleansing, with scores of their most sacred buildings and monuments being destroyed by members of the Muslim Brotherhood. Because the Joooos are gone

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 10:03 AM (9Xc5j)

121 See? Toldya we were transparent!

Posted by: Teh One and Future King at August 19, 2013 10:03 AM (/lWM8)

122 Not denying that BHO has barely a triple digit IQ, but exposing America's national security secrets isn't stupid if the goal is to weaken and destroy that edifice. Remember: the DCI is a Muslim. His former position? Deputy National Security Advisor. Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 01:52 PM (Tnlh/) I've heard the theory that these sort of things are all part of a grand plan to bring down the United States, but I don't buy that theory. That someone who has the gift of gab and who can talk a good game is actually incompetent is a more plausible explanation. Obama has admitted that he didn't pay attention in school, and spent much of his time smoking pot. He has gotten by because he has personality talent. He's personable and a very good speaker. His ideas are right out of the typical Democrat playbook, and are therefore a version of insanity. Nowadays, our electorate has become so much more interested in personality than substance that they have twice chose a man who's only desirable attribute *IS* personality. Obama's narcissism and belief in his own superiority is Hubris, and he is simply acting on those impulses. He leaks the stuxnet information so as to say "look how clever I was for supporting this successful program. " He's not playing three dimensional chess, he's simply admiring himself in the mirror.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 10:05 AM (bb5+k)

123

I had to have a well pump replaced this morning at the lake house.

1-1/2 HP Grundfos that spools up to match water usage. Pretty cool as far as well pumps go.

Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2013 10:05 AM (u2a4R)

124 You f@ck with the horns you get the Bull

Posted by: Rodeo Clown at August 19, 2013 10:07 AM (nTuxZ)

125 The Democrats are 100% Pure Political Animals. Every single thing they do or not do is for political purposes. Posted by: soothsayer lightfoot at August 19, 2013 01:57 PM (Db4mp) Everything except linking "1980" and "Missile Command". That was completely for fun entertainment purposes and nothing else.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 10:07 AM (bb5+k)

126 Obama has admitted that he didn't pay attention in school, and spent much of his time smoking pot. He has gotten by because he has personality talent. He's personable and a very good speaker.

At least, the media likes to say he is.

He's shown himself to be very petty, and he uses a *lot* of crutch words. "Ah ... Uhm... Uh... You know, you know ... "

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 10:08 AM (oY6Yp)

127 Because the Joooos are gone

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 02:03 PM (9Xc5j)

Thank you Moses!

[actually....I have recent ancestors who lived in Egypt]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 19, 2013 10:08 AM (gqgiP)

128 In 1878 the journalist Blowitz was trying to get the completed final draft of the treaty drawn up by the Congress of Europe before it was formally released. No diplomat would leak it to him. Alright, said Blowitz, what about the preamble? He found an indiscreet diplomat who gave him the text of the preamble, since it was just harmless froth. Then Blowitz went to the least shrewd diplomat at the Congress, and told him he had been given the final draft of the treaty in advance, but in an unfamiliar language. He, Blowitz, had made a rough translation and would telegraph it to his paper that day. He wanted this diplomat to correct any errors in translation before publication. And he quoted the preamble verbatim. The shocked diplomat took the rough draft and correct it to the final version, and that is what Blowitz had published in the Times on the day it was formally signed. Apparently this still works.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 19, 2013 10:09 AM (TbVAj)

129 Reggie Love is also quite the leaker, if last week is any indication.

Posted by: Fritz at August 19, 2013 10:10 AM (UzPAd)

130 Obama has admitted that he didn't pay attention in school, and spent much of his time smoking pot. He has gotten by because he has personality talent. He's personable and a very good speaker. His ideas are right out of the typical Democrat playbook, and are therefore a version of insanity. Nowadays, our electorate has become so much more interested in personality than substance that they have twice chose a man who's only desirable attribute *IS* personality. Obama's narcissism and belief in his own superiority is Hubris, and he is simply acting on those impulses. He leaks the stuxnet information so as to say "look how clever I was for supporting this successful program. " He's not playing three dimensional chess, he's simply admiring himself in the mirror. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 02:05 PM (bb5+k) Of course. I said that he is of average intelligence at best. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to destroy a thing. If BHO had a spotty record, one could logically chalk it up to his lack of learning or ability. But the record is spotless...in the wrong direction. My lying eyes say that all of this is purposeful.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 10:11 AM (Tnlh/)

131

He has gotten by because he has personality talent. He's personable and a very good speaker.

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A good speaker? Please. When have you ever heard him give even one good spontaneous speech. He's a "reader", not a speaker.

And as for personable? He's as shallow as they come. People seem to like him because they've become shallow themselves.

Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 10:11 AM (Ry5gt)

132 Was in the car and listening to bloomberg. They had some ME expert on from some think tank. I listened to most of the interview. Missed the intro and the first couple of minutes. Heard him say "there are over a thousand MB dead and he seemed quite upset about this". So, I waited through the entire tedious interview. Not once, not once did they mention all the Christian Churches burned down, the nuns who were alleged taken as political prisoners, the markers drudge has up for Christians. Nothing, nada. It was as though either he had no idea Christians were dying and being persecuted or he didn't care. I'm going to try to find that audio. It was aggravating.

Posted by: caustic at August 19, 2013 10:11 AM (/b8+5)

133 He's a wonderful writer and you really get a feel for how he thinks.

Posted by: troyriser at August 19, 2013 01:54 PM (O66NZ)

Samuel Clemons published them and marketed them so that Grant's widow would not be destitute.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 19, 2013 10:12 AM (gqgiP)

134 I think President Obama should create the Department of Gay and Lesbian Rights. This will solve most of the problems we has in this country created by Bush.

Posted by: LaQuisha Largess' at August 19, 2013 10:13 AM (HlUFk)

135

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 02:05 PM (bb5+k)

the problem with your thesis, is the Law of Averages.

Even if he was making random choices, as he was too stupid to understand things... he would be making a correct decision some of the time...

But he consistently chooses, on every decision, the path that makes America weaker... even when he has to pay political capital to do so.

If he was just a narcissistic idiot? he would 'decide' to do the correct thing once in awhile... just by random chance.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 19, 2013 10:14 AM (lZBBB)

136 toot toot

Posted by: Little Boy Blue at August 19, 2013 10:14 AM (EZl54)

137 126 Obama has admitted that he didn't pay attention in school, and spent much of his time smoking pot. He has gotten by because he has personality talent. He's personable and a very good speaker. He is a horrible speaker. The Left and others made him out to be some great speaker merely because he has a deep voice and because he doesn't use Ebonics (most of the time)--like they expect from the rest of us.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 10:16 AM (Tnlh/)

138 .nood.

Posted by: soothsayer lightfoot at August 19, 2013 10:16 AM (Db4mp)

139 Obama Regime Demands Egyptian Government Release Morsi, Muslim Brotherhood LeadersÂ… So they can coordinate another round of church attacks? They are out of their fuckin minds. Each and every one of them. May they all rot in hell. We've gone from "your either with us, or against us" to actually being on the enemy's side. Fuckin traitors

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 10:16 AM (9Xc5j)

140 If BHO had a spotty record, one could logically chalk it up to his lack of learning or ability. But the record is spotless...in the wrong direction. My lying eyes say that all of this is purposeful. Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 02:11 PM (Tnlh/) If you postulate that the General ideology of the Democrat party is an embrace of Communism we could both be correct. Obama is following the party line on every issue, but not because *HE* wants to destroy the country, but that doesn't mean it isn't someone else's plan to do it. It might just be the culmination of all the efforts by all of those old Soviet sleeper cell propaganda agents.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 10:16 AM (bb5+k)

141

Normally, a good well pump replacement story would trigger an avalanche of similar situations experienced by our more salt-of-the-earth readers.

Of course, no sophisticated urbanites like Ace would know what we're talking about, being more of a rural thing, but the shared experiences of sucking water out of the ground instead of relying on some government facility and collective-sponsored piping reinforces the bond we have in fly-over land.

Must be a busy day for the regulars.

Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2013 10:18 AM (u2a4R)

142 If you postulate that the General ideology of the Democrat party is an embrace of Communism we could both be correct. Obama is following the party line on every issue, but not because *HE* wants to destroy the country, but that doesn't mean it isn't someone else's plan to do it. It might just be the culmination of all the efforts by all of those old Soviet sleeper cell propaganda agents. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 02:16 PM (bb5+k) I do postulate this.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 10:18 AM (Tnlh/)

143 139 Obama Regime... At least they're starting to give up the pretense of it actually being an "Administration".

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at August 19, 2013 10:18 AM (4p5/2)

144 like they expect from the rest of us.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 02:16 PM (Tnlh/)

Ah....left-wing racism. What a joy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 19, 2013 10:19 AM (gqgiP)

145 Hagel: US influence on events in Egypt 'limited' US secretarty of defense urges reconciliation in Egypt, says US has limited effect on events in Mideast ally hey you, yeah you, you fuckin idiot. Did it ever occur to you that we have limited influence since you are siding with enemy? And this putz got Republican votes?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 10:19 AM (9Xc5j)

146 "A good speaker? Please. When have you ever heard him give even one good spontaneous speech. He's a "reader", not a speaker." Never the less, it works as well on the electorate as if he were a good speaker. No need to quibble over the details. "And as for personable? He's as shallow as they come. People seem to like him because they've become shallow themselves. Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 02:11 PM (Ry5gt) And this is the most salient aspect. The Electorate itself has become so simple minded that shallowness is attractive. People simply do not want hard thinking or hard choices anymore. They want what sounds good and sounds easy.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 10:19 AM (bb5+k)

147 United Nations against Israel?Ban Ki-moon: 'I don't think there is discrimination against Israel at UN'After he was quoted as admitting to Israeli students last week that bias against Israel at UN exists, secretary-general denies there is any such discrimination against the Jewish state. The World gone mad

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2013 10:21 AM (9Xc5j)

148 If he was just a narcissistic idiot? he would 'decide' to do the correct thing once in awhile... just by random chance. Posted by: Romeo13 at August 19, 2013 02:14 PM (lZBBB) He's following the party line. He's simply enacting all the stuff he's heard discussed in Democrat Party circles. My point is, it might be a plan to destroy the country, but it isn't HIS plan. He's just doing stuff he's heard and listening to the wrong people. I don't believe he is TRYING to destroy the country, I think he's just so naive as to not know where this path leads. Most people who want communism don't know what's wrong with it until they've got it.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 10:22 AM (bb5+k)

149 Obama's Reign of Error continues without abate.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Spleen! Now with Oxidizers! at August 19, 2013 10:26 AM (hLRSq)

150 He is a horrible speaker. The Left and others made him out to be some great speaker merely because he has a deep voice and because he doesn't use Ebonics (most of the time)--like they expect from the rest of us. Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 02:16 PM (Tnlh/) He has a pleasant sounding voice and can seemingly turn a phrase. Nowadays people are more about show than substance, and he can put on a nice presentation. Most of these people aren't actually paying attention to what he says. They're just noticing his trouser crease and stuff. His grandfather was a salesman and supposedly also had the gift of gab. He and Bill Clinton have the same presentation strengths. This is the key to both their successes.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 19, 2013 10:28 AM (bb5+k)

151 The Dems are completely off the charts and we are convinced we cannot nominate a true conservative because they will not be electable?

Posted by: Big Ben at August 19, 2013 10:30 AM (I5Htn)

152 To me, his voice is like an untuned instrument played by a "musician" with no ability or rhythm. Almost like the scratching of a blackboard. By 2008, I couldn't listen to it.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 10:31 AM (Tnlh/)

153 Hillary is an inevitable force because she would not back down and the dems continued to rally around her instead of throwing her under the bus.

Posted by: Big Ben at August 19, 2013 10:32 AM (I5Htn)

154 @150 - Obama is President because of Kools. They baked his vocal cords to a nice mellow tone for a politician. Not advocating smoking, but it worked for him. That, his skin color, and the Harvard sheepskin that comes from their having been able to recruit a nice upper-middle-class kid that'd check a quota box, are the essence of what it takes to be President now.

Posted by: Joachim Ribbentrop, PR Director, Hell Hole Video Inc. at August 19, 2013 10:49 AM (o+SC1)

155 I'm sure Holder will be getting right to the bottom of this, just as he's getting to the bottom of James Clapper's congressional perjury. ======================================== Oh, yeah, definitely. The only possible scheduling conflict I can foresee that could maybe get in the way of this prosecution is Holder himself being in prison, or the capital being paralyzed by the Sun God's impeachment for Article 2 violations every day he wakes up.

Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2013 10:50 AM (ZuiHO)

156 Because this admin wants to hurt the US and Israel. Leaking Stuxnet accomplished both.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 19, 2013 12:52 PM (KL49F)

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