September 19, 2013

Stuff That Will Cause Fights
— Ace

Mark Levin on the "French Republicans" of the House and Senate.

Here's his rant, in audio.

Obama says he will veto any bill containing a defund provision, which means he's vowing to shut the government down over an unpopular law. I wish someone would point that out.


Oh.

This is like when you have a losing team and they just want to keep doing the same thing. And then someone says "Let's try the Wildcat" and the team that's used to losing says "No that won't work; let's stick with our nonworking version of the West Coast Offense."

Well... you are always losing, soooo...

The other thing is that I feel like the Establishment is always telling us the agenda that will make their lives easier.

Well I know what agenda will make their lives easier-- obviously, an agenda that is just slightly to the right of the Democrats' leftist agenda would force the Democrats into the smallest space and open up a lot of space for Republicans.

In game theory, yes, that strategy will probably yield the most successes. I am not ignorant of that.

But what is the point then? We're not just rooting for a party like we root for a football team. (Although it does feel that way sometimes.)

We're pushing for a party to undertake specific efforts. Without those efforts, "winning" is purely a technical exercise.

We have an election coming up in 2014? Oh... right. Because we won't have one coming up in 2016, or 2018, or 2020...

There's always an election coming up, guys. For God's sakes. What kind of reasoning is this? Might as well say "We'll pay you back the Next of Never" and be done with it.

Here's the Bro version of that Opt Out of ObamaCare ad:

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1 almost

Posted by: Mallfly at September 19, 2013 09:57 AM (bJm7W)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 09:57 AM (/PCJa)

3 I do love a good fight.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 19, 2013 09:57 AM (mJEtb)

4 Not the hill to die on!

Posted by: Brave, Brave Sir Countrysquire at September 19, 2013 09:57 AM (LSJmV)

5 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 09:57 AM (/PCJa)

6 But, but, I was told that Cruz and Lee were wimps who wanted everyone *else* to do the hard thing. That they wouldn't fight or anything. That couldn't be *wrong* could it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 09:58 AM (/PCJa)

7 Note to Sen Cruz: the Dems already shoved it down our throats. They're trying to keep us from coughing it up

Posted by: Mallfly at September 19, 2013 09:58 AM (bJm7W)

8 That's almost creepier than the guy dressed as a clown that stares at people.

Posted by: sweet...ish at September 19, 2013 09:58 AM (bj+Nc)

9 In all seriousness, though; I believe that we are going down in flames no matter what we attempt to do.
Best to go down screaming to all the nation that you idiots asked for this, rather than go quietly.
Might actually get somewhere, come rebuilding time.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 19, 2013 09:59 AM (mJEtb)

10 I'm still on Team Cruz.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:00 AM (IXrOn)

11 I love pie.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 19, 2013 10:00 AM (83cdG)

12 This isn't going to be a Tebow thread is it? Those things never turn out well.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 19, 2013 10:00 AM (g1DWB)

13 I'm still on Team Cruz. I'd much rather Ted Cruz be on Team American People.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:00 AM (/PCJa)

14 It will never make it to Obamas desk.  Reid will save him.

Posted by: chi town jerry at September 19, 2013 10:01 AM (S3zpC)

15 So Gaylord is double dog daring people again?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 19, 2013 10:01 AM (R2RYK)

16 another note to Sen Cruz: see if you can explain to John Boehner that it's better to pick a fight you might win than to pretend to pick a fight that you always intended to lose

Posted by: Mallfly at September 19, 2013 10:01 AM (bJm7W)

17 Note to Sen Cruz: the Dems already shoved it down our throats. They're trying to keep us from coughing it up They're trying to hold our mouths shut, like with fluffy and her meds.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:01 AM (yETln)

18
It would be tote awesome it they had the Burger King dude show up too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 19, 2013 10:01 AM (sj9LN)

19 Agree with #9....

Posted by: Flyover Country at September 19, 2013 10:01 AM (ULH4o)

20 I have a feeling the crisis is coming whether either party wants it or not.

Posted by: steevy at September 19, 2013 10:02 AM (9XBK2)

21 Here's the Bro version of that Opt Out of ObamaCare ad: Creepy, the victim in the ad looks like a combination of two of my real brothers...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:02 AM (IXrOn)

22 The government is sometimes a necessary evil, but it is always an evil.    Thus, we should try to limit government at every level.    I can't understand those   who fear a shutdown.  It will save us money, gain us seats, and wake up the    LIVs.  Every single federal program needs to be eyed for a cut.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 19, 2013 10:02 AM (9T/th)

23
and a bunch of college mascots.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 19, 2013 10:02 AM (sj9LN)

24 I'm still on Team Cruz. I'd much rather Ted Cruz be on Team American People. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 02:00 PM (/PCJa) So far, he's one of the few that is.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:03 AM (IXrOn)

25 19 Agree with #9.... Me three

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 19, 2013 10:03 AM (7ObY1)

26 That's a great Opt-Out of obamacare video.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 19, 2013 10:04 AM (9Xc5j)

27 re 14:
It will never make it to Obamas desk. Reid will save him.

I'll bet Boehner and McCain will help. McCain loves him some MSM piss praise.

Posted by: Mallfly at September 19, 2013 10:04 AM (bJm7W)

28 It will never make it to Obamas desk. Reid will save him. Fine. Then, instead of it being "Obama" shutting down the government, it's "The Democrats." Every Republican needs this on a note-card, and to memorize it for every media appearance they have: "The Republicans passed a Continuing Resolution in the House. It fully funded the government with the exception of ObamaCare- a provision which is wildly unpopular and already driving health care costs higher. It is up to [Insert "Obama" or "The Democrats" as appropriate] to pass that CR and fund the government. This is not a Republican-caused shutdown, it is a Democrat caused shutdown. The Democrats would rather force your healthcare costs higher than allow the government to function."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:04 AM (/PCJa)

29 What hill will Gabe & his fellow squishes fight on? Does this hill exists anywhere but in Never-Never Land?

Posted by: OhioCoastie at September 19, 2013 10:04 AM (9m3Zl)

30 It has colon and cheese and prostate and cheese...

Posted by: Creepy Burger King at September 19, 2013 10:04 AM (RD7QR)

31 It would be tote awesome it they had the Burger King dude show up too. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 19, 2013 02:01 PM (sj9LN) That would make Ace happy. I bet he's on his way to BK soon, if he hasn't been there already.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:04 AM (IXrOn)

32 Might actually get somewhere, come rebuilding time. Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 19, 2013 01:59 PM (mJEtb) I think the odds in this fight wouldn't be too bad. When the sky doesn't fall, just like it didn't over the sequester, they will be looking mighty silly. If the GOP stands firm, that is.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at September 19, 2013 10:05 AM (09o/X)

33 19Agree with #9....

Posted by: Flyover Country at September 19, 2013 02:01 PM (ULH4o)

 

 

Kicking and screaming.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 19, 2013 10:05 AM (xZ8Ay)

34 17 Note to Sen Cruz: the Dems already shoved it down our throats. They're trying to keep us from coughing it up They're trying to hold our mouths shut, like with fluffy and her meds. Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 02:01 PM (yETln) The Democrat view of legislation is "no givesies backsies"

Posted by: AmishDude at September 19, 2013 10:05 AM (xSegX)

35 another note to Sen Cruz: see if you can explain to John Boehner that it's better to pick a fight you might win than to pretend to pick a fight that you always intended to lose I struggle mightily to understand these guys. There are glib explanations eg: spineless, drunk, etc. Am I over thinking it? Are they really just feckless? What do they really say to each other? Are they tea-leaf reading and hiring 26 year-old "experts"? Do they think they can just hold out and win "small ball" enough to hit a magic strategy that isn't so hard as fighting? Are they simply envious of the left's success and emulating what they see winning? Are they compromised?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:05 AM (yETln)

36 It will never make it to Obamas desk. Reid will save him. I'll bet Boehner and McCain will help. McCain loves him some MSM piss praise. Posted by: Mallfly at September 19, 2013 02:04 PM (bJm7W) McCain and his gf Goober are both showing NO at the defund obamacare pledge site.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:06 AM (IXrOn)

37 So far, he's one of the few that is. Oh, that's true. My point is that I'm tired of saying "I'm on Team So-and-So" when the reality is that they should be on Team Me (or "Team Us").

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:06 AM (/PCJa)

38

If the GOP stands firm, that is

 

riiiiiight.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 19, 2013 10:06 AM (L9Mr/)

39 Damn that ad is creepy.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at September 19, 2013 10:06 AM (09o/X)

40
Cheese eating surrender republicans. Lindsey Graham, I'm looking at you.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan at September 19, 2013 10:06 AM (bkTIc)

41 Oh. This is like when you have a losing team and they just want to keep doing the same thing. Look. I'm already a Cubs and a Browns fan. I think that makes me the ultimate expert at knowing when to start screaming at an organization to do something else because what you're doing right now sure as shit isn't working. I mean, I would hope the GOP leadership isn't looking at the Trent Richardson trade and going "Hey! That's genius! Let's do something like that!" *tromps off looking for a shoulder upon which to weep*

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 19, 2013 10:06 AM (VtjlW)

42 If the GOP stands firm, that is riiiiiight. Posted by: wrg500 at September 19, 2013 02:06 PM (L9Mr/) I never expected them to. I can't be disappointed.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at September 19, 2013 10:07 AM (09o/X)

43
Give me Liberty or give me Obamacare!  Either, or.

Posted by: PATRICK HENRY BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:07 AM (sj9LN)

44 *tromps off looking for a shoulder upon which to weep* There, there. Let me comfort you...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:07 AM (/PCJa)

45 Cry uncle, if you dare...

Posted by: adams yankee diddle dandy porn at September 19, 2013 10:08 AM (gQKHE)

46

What hill will Gabe & his fellow squishes fight on? Does this hill exists anywhere but in Never-Never Land?

The next one. Or wait.......no, not that one.

Maybe this one? This looks nice!

No, maybe not. Icky parts on that one.

Posted by: RolandTHTG at September 19, 2013 10:08 AM (QM5S2)

47 The Democrat view of legislation is "no givesies backsies"

Posted by: AmishDude at September 19, 2013 02:05 PM (xSegX)

The Democrap view of most things is the Toddler's Creed...1 If I want it it s mine 2 If it s in my hand it s mine 3 If I can take it away from you it s mine 4 If I had it a little while ago it s mine.. etc...

Posted by: sweet...ish at September 19, 2013 10:08 AM (bj+Nc)

48 Are they tea-leaf reading and hiring 26 year-old "experts"? Do they think they can just hold out and win "small ball" enough to hit a magic strategy that isn't so hard as fighting? Are they simply envious of the left's success and emulating what they see winning? Are they compromised?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 02:05 PM (yETln)

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They operate under the   mistaken belief that     every    federal    program     is    vital  to their  base.    They truly believe that we would not exist but for them.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 19, 2013 10:08 AM (9T/th)

49 I never expected them to. I can't be disappointed.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at September 19, 2013 02:07 PM (09o/X)

 

 

Yep, firm as Jello

Posted by: wrg500 at September 19, 2013 10:09 AM (xZ8Ay)

50 Might as well say "We'll pay you back the Next of Never" and be done with it. That *is* what the Establishment would like to be saying. They know they *can't* because then they'd be unemployed after their next election.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:09 AM (/PCJa)

51 Cruz is turning this baby around and cornering Obama. The elites hate it, but he's gaining strength anyway.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 19, 2013 10:09 AM (44ESq)

52

Oh.

This is like when you have a losing team and they just want to keep doing the same thing. And then someone says "Let's try the Wildcat" and the team that's used to losing says "No that won't work; let's stick with our nonworking version of the West Coast Offense."



Ahhhh yes, Republicans: the Cincinnati Bengals of politics.

Posted by: Dandolo at September 19, 2013 10:09 AM (0XBx+)

53 Rather owe you forever than cheat you out of it.

Posted by: Clownf*cker at September 19, 2013 10:09 AM (l2max)

54 Creepy, the victim in the ad looks like a combination of two of my real brothers...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

Very brave of you to toss that out there.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 19, 2013 10:10 AM (Y/M/K)

55 So if we are unable to defund Obamacare, that means we are totes screwed on the debt ceiling, right? Because it seems that doing things that have majority public support plays hell with your political viability. Or something.

Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2013 10:10 AM (W6bkf)

56 Rand is also banging away on the defund drum on FB. I think Amash is signing on too. Libertarians seem to be on board.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at September 19, 2013 10:10 AM (09o/X)

57 Creepy ad is creepy, yet it may work on some LIVs.  Why is this so hard?  The majority of the public does not want this sh*tty assed bill.  Every day, thousands more are finding out they're losing their insurance and being dumped onto the exchanges, more being moved to part time hours, more are having their premiums doubled or tripled.  It's a winning vantage point for the R's, yet very few speak out.  The ball will be in Barry's and Harry's court.  Tell the people over and over and over and over!  If the gov't shuts down, it is their fault.  But nobody will know it unless these useless R's (not counting Cruz, Lee, etc.) use the bullhorn repeatedly and loudly.  It's almost like they're not that into getting rid of it....or something. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 19, 2013 10:10 AM (XB5Ak)

58 OT: On twitter I'm reading that Russia just did a helicopter raid on some dumbass Greenpeace shitp. No idea why. I assume Greenpeace were being assholes. The Greenpeace ecotards are live tweeting the assault.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 19, 2013 10:10 AM (ZPrif)

59 Ahhhh yes, Republicans: the Cincinnati Bengals of politics. Actually, I think they're like the Dallas Cowboys. They'll try something new- just not enough to see if it'll really work. They'll "try" it half-heartedly and then scrap it when it doesn't work. Also greatly over-paid, over-valued, and poorly managed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:10 AM (/PCJa)

60 Ahhhh yes, Republicans: the Cincinnati Bengals of politics. Posted by: Dandolo at September 19, 2013 02:09 PM (0XBx+) which reminded me of a BigSports piece over at Brietibart... Eli Manning campaigning for some Democrat. What a fool.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:10 AM (IXrOn)

61 >>>Cruz is turning this baby around and cornering Obama.

Oh, is that what he's doing now?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 19, 2013 10:11 AM (yemTi)

62 re 34:  
The Democrat view of legislation is "no givesies backsies"

That's basically the Brezhnev doctrine: history can only go forward. I suspect Barky and many of his crowd think that way. That's why they think Roe vs Wade is set in concrete but something they oppose (like the death penalty) can be endlessly challenged.

Posted by: Mallfly at September 19, 2013 10:11 AM (bJm7W)

63 There were no Republican votes to enact this law, no bipartisanship. Why then are the Republicans under ANY obligation to do anything that helps this monstrosity along? The answer is, of course, they are not.
 
And since this pos bill has been opposed by significant majorities of the people themselves since day 1, The Rs even have the moral high ground here.
 
So yes, this is the time to fight it, and fight hard.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 19, 2013 10:11 AM (wNF3N)

64 It would be tote awesome it they had the Burger King dude show up too. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 19, 2013 02:01 PM (sj9LN) NO IT WOULD NOT.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 19, 2013 10:11 AM (VtjlW)

65

Yeah, Ace it is frustrating.

There is nothing that can be done in truth, so all the posturing by Cruz et. al. is nothing.  But some people think it is something... so they do it.

 

Frustrating.  And solves nothing.

 

Posted by: petunia at September 19, 2013 10:11 AM (DAcBA)

66 No idea why. I assume Greenpeace were being assholes. The Greenpeace ecotards are live tweeting the assault. Go Russia! Eli Manning campaigning for some Democrat. As if I needed another reason to hate him.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:12 AM (/PCJa)

67

AllenG ... Ha ha.. Funny.  What outlet of the MSM you gonna  get to cover it like that?

Posted by: chi town jerry at September 19, 2013 10:12 AM (S3zpC)

68 I think the odds in this fight wouldn't be too bad. When the sky doesn't fall, just like it didn't over the sequester, they will be looking mighty silly. If the GOP stands firm, that is. Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at September 19, 2013 02:05 PM (09o/X)
Well, that's the thing, sir. o.O Hoping for the GOP to stand firm is roughly equivalent to trying to put cooked spaghetti back into the bag you bought it in.
You make a huge mess, get frustrated to all hell, and in the end what's the point anyways.
There is a very rough analogue with the Middle East peace talks that have been going on since before I was born. Just as you cannot force peace onto a people who desire war (the Muslims), so too can you not force responsibility onto those who revel in profligacy (the other half of our citizenry).
It's like trying to herd cats.
*stopping post here to prevent additional groan-inducing adages*

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 19, 2013 10:12 AM (mJEtb)

69 I've been in a number of fights in my time. I never look back in retrospect and say, "I wish I hadn't punched that dude out." Yeah sometimes the other guy gets a good or lucky punch in. Pain goes away in a day or two. No, what I do regret is the times I didn't get in the fight. Walked away like a puss, for some stupid reason. I'd pay good money for a second chance to go back and deck that person, but unfortunately the planet doesn't work that way. So I don't understand the French Republicans. I heard Levin last night, real time, and was in shock and awe.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 19, 2013 10:13 AM (U2UQk)

70 Ah, Greenpeace ship Arctic Sunrise tried to fuck with a Russian oil rig in the arctic.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 19, 2013 10:13 AM (ZPrif)

71 *tromps off looking for a shoulder upon which to weep* 

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 19, 2013 02:06 PM (VtjlW)


I have some chocolate chocolate pound cake from a friend's going-away party.   It's rather chocolate-y, as the name implies.  

*offers slice*  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 19, 2013 10:13 AM (sGtp+)

72 They'll try something new- just not enough to see if it'll really work. They'll "try" it half-heartedly and then scrap it when it doesn't work.

Also greatly over-paid, over-valued, and poorly managed. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 02:10 PM


At least Jerry Jones doesn't cry.  In public, anyway.

Posted by: huerfano is a Cowboys fan at September 19, 2013 10:13 AM (bAGA/)

Posted by: SOUNDGARDEN at September 19, 2013 10:13 AM (nBPOI)

74 >>Creepy, the victim in the ad looks like a combination of two of my real brothers... Creepier, Uncle Sam looks like my doctor.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 19, 2013 10:13 AM (g1DWB)

75 @ #22: "... Every single federal program needs to be eyed for a cut."

I've got a long list that I'm eyeing for the chipper-shredder.  If by "cut," you're including "cut to zero and eliminated," then you can count me in.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at September 19, 2013 10:13 AM (/vuFe)

76 They operate under the mistaken belief that every federal program is vital to their base. They truly believe that we would not exist but for them. So your read is that they're "fighting" to save the existing federal programs. Is that what keeps them in line for the Democrats? They simply threaten those spending programs that affect that Critter's district?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:13 AM (yETln)

77

They told me I could never get rid of the US National Bank.

 

But one man with courage makes a majority.

Posted by: Andrew Jackson at September 19, 2013 10:14 AM (TpXEI)

78 "I must study politics and obamacare that my sons may have liberty to die from the flu." 

Posted by: JOHN ADAMS BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:14 AM (sj9LN)

79 Anybody that attacks Greenpeace has my blessing.Remembere when the French sunk their ship?That was pretty sweet,though I rather they sank it at sea with the loss of all hands.

Posted by: steevy at September 19, 2013 10:15 AM (9XBK2)

80 AllenG ... Ha ha.. Funny. What outlet of the MSM you gonnaget to cover it like that? Not a single one of them. Except that the MFM (delenda est) will either ask the question ("Why do you hate children and old people so much you're shutting down the government?"), in which case you give that canned answer, or they'll avoid the subject all together- which will seem strange to people, I mean, here your network is portraying the Republicans as the evil masterminds behind the Gov't shutdown, and when you have them in interviews you don't even ask about it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:15 AM (/PCJa)

81 64 It would be tote awesome it they had the Burger King dude show up too.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 19, 2013 02:01 PM (sj9LN)  

NO IT WOULD NOT. 
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 19, 2013 02:11 PM (VtjlW)


Bonus points if it's wearing an Obama mask (with a crown ... and maybe a jester outfit). 

Oh, it'd alienate the LIVs, but it'd be quite apt, I think.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 19, 2013 10:15 AM (sGtp+)

82 Yeah, Levin was great last night. And, he was on Beck today, discussing, quietly and patiently, the ideas behind his book. Was a good discussion.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:15 AM (IXrOn)

83 Sorry for the OT:

Colorado morons, as the flood situation has stabilized, there are many volunteer opportunities to help. Planning on heading to Boulder tomorrow to shovel, clean..whatever needs to be done. 

Posted by: beerologist at September 19, 2013 10:15 AM (CdhVC)

84 "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for obamacare."

Posted by: NATHAN HALE BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:16 AM (sj9LN)

85 Been holding out, but I guess it's time to cancel my WSJ subscription.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:16 AM (IXrOn)

86

Make the Dem Senate vote on Obamacare one more time. Lets see those Dem Senators stand for what they were bribed to vote for. Enjoy 2014 Dems.

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at September 19, 2013 10:16 AM (oDCMR)

87 Thank you Allen and CM. *weeps and noms* The Greenpeace ecotards are live tweeting the assault. Not for long.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 19, 2013 10:16 AM (VtjlW)

88 Give me Liberty, or Delay the Stamp Act until next year!

Posted by: John Boehner, Founding Father at September 19, 2013 10:16 AM (TpXEI)

89 59


You had me at overpaid.

Posted by: Dandolo at September 19, 2013 10:16 AM (0XBx+)

90 I've got a long list that I'm eyeing for the chipper-shredder. If by "cut," you're including "cut to zero and eliminated," then you can count me in.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at September 19, 2013 02:13 PM (/vuFe)

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Exactly.  EPA, FDA, Dept of Ed, HUD and several more need cut to zero, all others cut substantially, inclucing medicare, medicaid and social security.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 19, 2013 10:16 AM (9T/th)

91 There were no Republican votes to enact this law, no bipartisanship. Why then are the Republicans under ANY obligation to do anything that helps this monstrosity along? Yeah, that's a fairly common argument now. "Hey, we passed this legislation now, under the cover of darkness against your will. Why aren't you helping?" Actually, Obama seems to be such a failure because we are just not doing enough for him.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 19, 2013 10:16 AM (xSegX)

92

-We're pushing for a party to undertake specific efforts. Without those efforts, "winning" is purely a technical exercise.-

And that, ladies and gents (snicker), is why I come here. Brilliant.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at September 19, 2013 10:16 AM (SCcgT)

93 OT: On twitter I'm reading that Russia just did a helicopter raid on some dumbass Greenpeace shitp. No idea why. I assume Greenpeace were being assholes. The Greenpeace ecotards are live tweeting the assault. Russia threatened them recently. They put people on board for an inspection and told them to go away or there would be action or some such euphemism. GP asked if that meant they'd be fired on and the commanding officer said yes.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:17 AM (yETln)

94

There is no fight that the Boehner losers would ever take on NOW and to the hilt. It would always be the "wait, wait until the conditions are ripe." Bullshit. They were ripe the historic 2010 midterms. And what happened? Within weeks Boehner and Cantor were dissing and marginalizing the Tea Party as if they had nothing to do with the victory. All promises, actual and implied, were broken.

Cruz is challenging all of this crap. He's doing it straight-up and in the only way possible. And the following he's gathering is making a difference.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 19, 2013 10:17 AM (44ESq)

95

We're pushing for a party to undertake specific efforts. Without those efforts, "winning" is purely a technical exercise.

 

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Please  bring this up with Gabriel on tonight's  podcast.  Serious, You Guys.

 

I want to know - let's say his hypothetical scenario where we continually cave to Democrats' demands for  a healthcare plan  that the majority  of Americans hate,  and that somehow means we win more Republican seats - THEN WHAT?

 

In this magical world  where a GOP  representative's constituents  reward him for  his betrayal  with re-election, and in the next district over,  the voters say, "Hey,  I'd like a faithless, spineless piece of shit JUST LIKE HIM" and we pick up additional  GOP seats - what then?

 

 

What  happens  when   we give the signal  for them to jump into action   and NOW start governing like conservatives?

 

Bonus  question:  explain to me how this plan to retain   and gain  additional  seats has a remote chance of success,  or if that's too esoteric - how is the GOP going to survive  without it's conservative base?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:17 AM (CJjw5)

96

http://tinyurl.com/n3nmlaz

Greenpeace vs. Russia

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 19, 2013 10:17 AM (0axsw)

97 People get more of their news and views from Social networks than TV networks these days. Don't worry about convincing Chris's Matthews, convince the people who listen to him. It's not that hard. They were dumb enough to fall for Leftism, they're pretty easily led. Especially with public ridicule as the whip.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 19, 2013 10:17 AM (ZshNr)

98

Has it been mentioned that Tom Delay had all his convictions overturned today? 

 

Why do I have the feeling that if Delay were in the House leadership today, we would not be having these discussions.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2013 10:18 AM (TOk1P)

99 Well... you are always losing, soooo... *** YES! But we lose with such graaace!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 19, 2013 10:18 AM (DmNpO)

100 Dare to dream -- Speaker Tom Delay 2014...

What an upgrade that would be over the boner.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 19, 2013 10:18 AM (9MLX+)

101 There's always an election coming up, guys. For God's sakes. What kind of reasoning is this? Might as well say "We'll pay you back the Next of Never" and be done with it. exactly that is why I'm done with the GOP pls, Goddess of Light, give us a 3rd party option we ALL can get behind

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:18 AM (IXrOn)

102

The effort  to defund will likely fail in the Senate.  It should be done, anyway.

 

Somebody ask me why.  Please.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:19 AM (CJjw5)

103 98 Yeah,that's why the left made sure he wouldn't be around.

Posted by: steevy at September 19, 2013 10:19 AM (9XBK2)

104 Great plan there, Greenpeace. 

"Hey, guys!  Let's go annoy the Russians hundreds and hundreds of miles from any witnesses!"




Posted by: B at September 19, 2013 10:19 AM (VC56G)

105 Russia threatened them recently. They put people on board for an inspection and told them to go away or there would be action or some such euphemism. GP asked if that meant they'd be fired on and the commanding officer said yes. 

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 02:17 PM (yETln)


PPV opportunity and Darwin Award nomination.  

Antagonize sovereign nations at your own risk.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 19, 2013 10:19 AM (sGtp+)

106 The DeLay story is good news. That it went so far is an indictment of our politically polluted Judiciary.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 19, 2013 10:19 AM (ZshNr)

107 Why do I have the feeling that if Delay were in the House leadership today, we would not be having these discussions. Actually... I'm not to sure about that. Tom Delay was pretty "Establishment" himself. He probably had considerably more spine than Boehner (so does a jellyfish), but I think he was a little too fond of electioneering himself.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:19 AM (/PCJa)

108 Planning on heading to Boulder tomorrow to shovel, clean..whatever needs to be done. I hope some people are gonna plant some trees on the hills that got destroyed by fire last year. I have a sneaking suspicion that's why eight inches of rain did so much damage. Her in Pennsylvania, which is like #1 or #2 in historical flood damage, eight inches of rain is simply an annoyance. Or what we call, 'A little wet today.'

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 19, 2013 10:19 AM (U2UQk)

109
"There! His Majesty Barack can now read my name without glasses. And he can double the reward on my congressional exemption from obamacare!"

Posted by: JOHN HANCOCK BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:20 AM (sj9LN)

110 Puhleeze! Stuff to start a fight? jdmullane ‏@jdmullane 1h Pope Francis: Catholics ought to shut-up about abortion, gays | http://nyp.st/18cSBBL

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 19, 2013 10:20 AM (DmNpO)

111 Oh wonderful how on Survivor they have brought back the gay guy that probably fulfills every single negative stereotype about gay guys.

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2013 10:20 AM (LI48c)

112 I have not yet begun to strategically withdraw until next year!

Posted by: John Boehner, Founding Father at September 19, 2013 10:20 AM (TpXEI)

113 96 http://tinyurl.com/n3nmlaz
Greenpeace vs. Russia



Say what you will, the Russia have their good points.

Posted by: Dandolo at September 19, 2013 10:20 AM (0XBx+)

114

The Greenpeace ecotards are live tweeting the assault.

 

#SuckingChestWound

 

#MultipleContusions

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:20 AM (CJjw5)

115 I haven't wandered over to HuffPo or DU after the Delay acquittal yet...

...I figure there's still shrapnel bouncing around from all the moonbat heads exploding.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 19, 2013 10:20 AM (9MLX+)

116 OK, so the Greenpeace ship dropped off some eco-terrorists on an oil rig, then retreated to international waters. Russia right said, fuck that, and took the ship. Yeah, go Russia. Fuck Greenpeace.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 19, 2013 10:20 AM (ZPrif)

117 People get more of their news and views from Social networks than TV networks these days. Don't worry about convincing Chris's Matthews, convince the people who listen to him. It's not that hard. They were dumb enough to fall for Leftism, they're pretty easily led. Especially with public ridicule as the whip. My wife was surprised to find out Jackie Chan died yesterday. It was all over Facebook. I looked it up and Jackie actually responded by posting a picture of himself holding that day's newspaper. "I'm not dead yet"!

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:21 AM (yETln)

118 102 The effort to defund will likely fail in the Senate. It should be done, anyway.  Somebody ask me why. Please. 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:19 PM (CJjw5)


THIS.  IS.  SPARTA.  

GOP edition of Thermopylae:   "Here, we'll put down our shields and spears and let you pass.   Why won't you like us?!?!"  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 19, 2013 10:21 AM (oY6Yp)

119 The Greenpeace ecotards are live tweeting the assault. "Russian ships attacking, but we're not {glub}" - Greenpeace (@Greenpeace)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:22 AM (/PCJa)

120

"102The effort to defund will likely fail in the Senate. It should be done, anyway.

Somebody ask me why. Please."

 

_________________________

 

C'mon Gabe.  Challenge extended.

Posted by: meh at September 19, 2013 10:22 AM (W2qJe)

Posted by: GWAR at September 19, 2013 10:22 AM (nBPOI)

122 No taxation without representation...this year!

Posted by: John Boehner, Founding Father at September 19, 2013 10:22 AM (TpXEI)

123 Sadly, the Arctic Sunrise tweets that noone was hurt when the Russian Coast Guard took over the ship.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 19, 2013 10:22 AM (ZPrif)

124 Tom Delay was pretty "Establishment" himself.

Yea, but he KNEW how to herd cats and tell someone they'd have to blow him first if they wanted something.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 19, 2013 10:22 AM (9MLX+)

125 I know that Cruz & Lee are fighting for us, the people that do not want TFG care. This is the hill to fight, Boehner finally came around. ItÂ’s about time. He must have heard those commercials on the radio asking people to call or sign the petition to fire him as Speaker. I want Boehner and the republicans to fight to the death on the debt ceiling & not to give an inch to the JEF!

Posted by: CarolT at September 19, 2013 10:23 AM (z4WKX)

126

95 -

 

I'm still of the belief that the answer to your questions is, they don't WANT a majority in the House, much less the Senate.  They want to survive as a party  without YOU.  They think there are  good things that will come to them if they can shed some of you people, and more than a few of their colleagues. 

 

Show me the evidence to the contrary.  Show me what Boehner and Co. are doing to indicate they want MORE votes  and more R members next year. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2013 10:23 AM (TOk1P)

127 Sadly, the Arctic Sunrise tweets that noone was hurt when the Russian Coast Guard took over the ship. Nobody's perfect.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:23 AM (/PCJa)

128

The government is sometimes a necessary evil, but it is always an evil. Thus, we should try to limit government at every level. I can't understand those who fear a shutdown. It will save us money, gain us seats, and wake up the LIVs. Every single federal program needs to be eyed for a cut.

 

 

With our  debt problems (you know, the ones that TFG wants to fix by raising the debt ceiling that he railed  W  about for years),    teh Pubbies have a perfect argument for dismantling entire departments.

 

Which is why they won't broach it.  I'd also like to see somebody on our side confront TFG with the little fact   that it's  HIS SPENDING     we  have to pay off.  How hard is it to bring out a little chart that   shows the debt from  the previous   administration compared to the  current one? $420B compared to  $1.6T?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 19, 2013 10:23 AM (0HooB)

129 Paying taxes is like loaning $50 to your meth head brother.

Like you're ever gonna see that $50 again (laugh)

Posted by: tangonine at September 19, 2013 10:23 AM (x3YFz)

130 "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting obamacare."

Posted by: TOM PAINE BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:23 AM (sj9LN)

131 h/t Drudge... Ogabe negotiates w/Russkies over Syrian WMDs, but not those wascally wepublicans over debt.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/pwl2gqu

Posted by: Cretin, battling rampant cretinism everywhere at September 19, 2013 10:23 AM (tfSla)

132 Bonus question: explain to me how this plan to retain and gain additional seats has a remote chance of success, or if that's too esoteric - how is the GOP going to survive without it's conservative base?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff

The Mike Murphy / Karl Rove answer is "because they can't *not* show up on election day! That would be unfurtumfertable!"

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 19, 2013 10:23 AM (Y/M/K)

133 Yea, but he KNEW how to herd cats and tell someone they'd have to blow him first if they wanted something. True. And so he might have fought harder than Boehner, but if he had "insider information" that suggested electoral victory were more likely by not fighting, he would choose not to fight.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:24 AM (/PCJa)

134 Did something happen to sven? I don't see a hundred posts per thread from him.

Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2013 10:24 AM (W6bkf)

135 I want a hamburger to day for which I will gladly pay you, never.

Posted by: Wimpy at September 19, 2013 10:24 AM (DHQv9)

136 >>>Why do I have the feeling that if Delay were in the House leadership today, we would not be having these discussions.

I don't know but you might take this as an opportunity to question what other faulty information your "gut feelings" are feeding you, because Tom Delay was one of the biggest, most shameless pork-barrel spenders in GOP Congressional leadership history.  You seem beguiled by the whole "Hammer" mythos surrounding him.  Yes, and guess what that "Hammer" was used for during the '90s and 00's?  Beat dissident small-government Republicans into line and get them to vote for things like Medicare Part B and massive spending bills. 

So maybe you're right: if Delay were in the House leadership today we might not be having these discussions, but only because he would be brutalizing small government/tea party Congressmen with threats both legal and questionably ethical. 

But hey, you know what you're talking about, I'm sure.  You've got your gut!  Who needs a basic knowledge of recent history?  Facts are for pussies.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 19, 2013 10:24 AM (yemTi)

137 I'll keep saying it, go big. Don't just defund Obamacare, defund everything! Defund the staffers, the departments. Make them beg for a paycheck. Beg to pay for their own healthcare. Don't be afraid of the shutdown. Just do it. Who cares what MSNBC says. No one watches it.

Posted by: Iblis at September 19, 2013 10:25 AM (9221z)

138 When you've lost Grumpy Kermit the Frog....

In my dreams, a loudspeaker is placed in Boner's office, and he is forced to listen to Levin's rant, over and over.

Might also be a good idea for Malor and all the Poppin' Freshes to give him a listen, too.

What was it Goldwater said about moderation in the defense of liberty? Yeah, it's still true, as it has been every day since 1776.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 19, 2013 10:26 AM (kaGpp)

139 >>>Pope Francis: Catholics ought to shut-up about abortion, gays | http://nyp.st/18cSBBL

You know, I went over the interview where he was claimed to have said this, expecting to be disappointed and dismayed...and these headlines are a total scandal-seeking botch job.  He says no such thing, just restates standard "love the sinner hate the sin" Catholic doctrine.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 19, 2013 10:26 AM (yemTi)

140 Russia right said, fuck that, and took the ship.

Meh.  A spetznaz team dropped on the rig might have been more persuasive. 

If people understand that the moment you appear uninvited on a platform you get 20lb of scrap steel lashed to your feet and tossed overboard, they might think twice.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 19, 2013 10:26 AM (9MLX+)

141 Ahlllll do the thinnin' around here, Babalouie.

Posted by: King Obi El Choombonger at September 19, 2013 10:26 AM (6xhLc)

142 Stuff That Will Cause Fights Stealing my chocolate. My husband found my stash while I was traveling. I have to hide it from him or he will eat it all. He ate it all. A fight ensued. I need to find a new hiding place. Lindt Excellence Fleur de Sel

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:26 AM (IXrOn)

143 Those who would trade liberty for security are shrewd.

Posted by: John Boehner, Founding Father at September 19, 2013 10:27 AM (TpXEI)

144 Once again falling for the "it's Obama who will shut down the government" ruse.  Sorry, it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.

The same polls that show the public strongly opposed to O-Care also show overwhelming opposition to shutting down the government to stop it, and that Republicans will be blamed by a more than 2-1 margin and a clear majority.  As always.  And this is before the Obama/media PR blitz on the subject!

It's easy for Cruz and Lee, in safe seats and not even on the ballot next year, to go all in on it.  But they aren't even going to be able to blame Obama for it - Reid will not let the bill come to the floor unless he has the votes to beat it.  Nothing ever hits Obama's desk, he can keep his feet on it.

But the "defunders" will continue their headlong rush, and blame anyone who doesn't jump off a cliff to help them.  There is a word for it:  "insane."

Posted by: Adjoran at September 19, 2013 10:27 AM (473jB)

145 127 Sadly, the Arctic Sunrise tweets that noone was hurt when the Russian Coast Guard took over the ship. 

-----------------
Nobody's perfect. 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 02:23 PM (/PCJa)


It's not too late for the ship to unexpectedly spring a leak and suddenly sink.  

"Da, good thing we intercepted you, or your boat might have taken you to the depths of the sea."  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 19, 2013 10:27 AM (oY6Yp)

146

>>>Pope Francis: Catholics ought to shut-up about abortion, gays | http://nyp.st/18cSBBL

 

 



You know, I went over the interview where he was claimed to have said this, expecting to be disappointed and dismayed...and these headlines are a total scandal-seeking botch job. He says no such thing, just restates standard "love the sinner hate the sin" Catholic doctrine.

 


 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 19, 2013 02:26 PM (yemTi)

 

----------------------

 

Oh, so he walked it back.  Typical.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:27 AM (CJjw5)

147 But hey, you know what you're talking about, I'm sure. You've got your gut! Who needs a basic knowledge of recent history? Facts are for pussies.

Posted by: Jeff B.

Winning friends and acquaintances, JeffB style.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 19, 2013 10:27 AM (Y/M/K)

148 "Patriotism is as much a virtue as justice, and is as necessary for the support of societies as natural affection is for the support of obamacare."

Posted by: BENJAMIN RUSH BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:28 AM (sj9LN)

149 I'm using the mean girls theory.  The Republicans are part of the in group.  They are privy to all the "super secret information" that being part of the in group allows and their constituents aren't told because they aren't a part of the group.  They are making their decisions based on said "super secret information", perhaps thinking they are doing the right thing.  Problem is the in group always changes the "super secret information" it is sharing to insure a specific outcome, sort of like "don't ask any question you don't already have the answer to".   Therefore, the Congress and the Senate are the perfect patsies for the left to get all their stuff through.  They have put themselves in a nice little box.  They are trusting the "super secret information" being fed to them, thinking they are doing the right thing by the American people and probably thinking they are somehow protecting national security.  I've watched Congress and the Senate "stand down" too many times to make any sense.  I even watched the Supreme Court "stand down".  These are the alleged most intelligent folks on the planet, they've all become a bunch of patsies and the only explanation is that they think it has to do with national security and the welfare of the country.

The other option that they don't care about the country and their constituents is almost too much to fathom.

Posted by: Rapunzel at September 19, 2013 10:28 AM (Nx76m)

150 Ooooh, submitting a CR is a headlong rush into insanity. Scary paperwork monster!

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 19, 2013 10:28 AM (ZshNr)

151 We shall all hang together unless we surrender.

Posted by: John Boehner, Founding Father at September 19, 2013 10:28 AM (TpXEI)

152 I regret that I only have one country to give for my president.

Posted by: John Boehner at September 19, 2013 10:29 AM (bJm7W)

153 @29 Er, alternative "marriage".

Posted by: Cretin, battling rampant cretinism everywhere at September 19, 2013 10:29 AM (tfSla)

154 The same polls that show the public strongly opposed to O-Care also show overwhelming opposition to shutting down the government to stop it, and that Republicans will be blamed by a more than 2-1 margin and a clear majority. So... you missed the one where the people actually supported a shutdown of government. Linked here today, IIRC. But the "defunders" will continue their headlong rush, and blame anyone who doesn't jump off a cliff to help them. There is a word for it: "insane." No. Insane is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We've tried the "Surrender Caucus." It's what got us here. I also love that not one person who supports surrender has yet taken up EoJ on his offer to explain his position. It just warms the cockles of my heart, it does.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:29 AM (/PCJa)

155 You know, I went over the interview where he was claimed to have said this, expecting to be disappointed and dismayed...and these headlines are a total scandal-seeking botch job. He says no such thing, just restates standard "love the sinner hate the sin" Catholic doctrine. From the quick skim I gave it he was saying those things are good and important to talk about, but it's not the whole of Catholicism. It's still important to talk about the other parts of the gospel.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:30 AM (yETln)

156 Remember when we had a majority, but then we went RINO!!!! hunting?  Totally did wonders for the party.  We're much stronger now.

Posted by: Shoot Me at September 19, 2013 10:30 AM (qiXMt)

157 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zosXEECjqX4 Not the first time the Ruskies have tangled with the ecotards from Greenpeas. It did not turn out well for the Greenies. I like this one a lot because these goofballs still thought the earth was warming a year ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 19, 2013 10:30 AM (g1DWB)

158 The circle of trust was turned into a circle of jerk along time ago.

What we have now is a lemon parade marching us straight into the circular firing line.

Bring a mop and bucket, its gonna get messy.









Posted by: dananjcon at September 19, 2013 10:31 AM (wmU4G)

159 Oh, so he walked it back. Typical. No, he just never said those words. The Italian press has a way of putting words into the Popes mouth. I saw a headline where the previous Pope was supposed to have endorsed the Big Bang Theory. He never used the words Big or Bang or Theory. But it got a lot of attention.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 19, 2013 10:31 AM (U2UQk)

160 One man with courage is going to get us all in trouble.

Posted by: John Boehner, Founding Father at September 19, 2013 10:31 AM (TpXEI)

161 >>>Winning friends and acquaintances, JeffB style.

It's BurtTC.  We have a history, 99% of it on his side lobbing weirdly sua sponte attacks on me.  I don't really care if he gets pissy.  He said something astronomically stupid and deserves to be made to realize just how retarded it was.  I mean, Tom Delay as small-government TrueCon hero?  How fucking dumb and ignorant of recent history do you have to be to even float that idea in a public forum with your own online identity attached to it so that it can embarrass you?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 19, 2013 10:31 AM (yemTi)

162 @131 OOPS! Ace has that link in his 3rd link above (the Hot Air one).

Posted by: Cretin, battling rampant cretinism everywhere at September 19, 2013 10:32 AM (tfSla)

163 Stuff That Will Cause Fights Boehner

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:32 AM (IXrOn)

164 58 OT: On twitter I'm reading that Russia just did a helicopter raid on some dumbass Greenpeace shitp.

No idea why. I assume Greenpeace were being assholes. The Greenpeace ecotards are live tweeting the assault.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 19, 2013 02:10 PM (ZPrif)


BWAHAHAHA! The Greenpeace weenies are about to find out that the Russkies are nowhere near as gentle as the Japanese when it comes to fucking with their stuff. The Japanese can live without whale meat but the Russians really, really need oil.

Posted by: joncelli at September 19, 2013 10:32 AM (RD7QR)

165

The effort to defund will likely fail in the Senate. It should be done, anyway.

 

Somebody ask me why. Please.

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:19 PM (CJjw5)

 

Can I answer?  PLEASE?!?!?

 

Because the previous 40 votes were all "dead end" stand-alone votes meant for show?  Because if it were attached to a "must-pass" piece of legislation, Dingy Harry might actually have to justify PlaceboCare with a vote again?  Because it is a cup check for the House PRL on whether a defund/delay of PlaceboCare is the absolute first thing jettisoned either in conference or in ping-pong?

Posted by: steveegg at September 19, 2013 10:32 AM (o44nj)

166 “These are the times that try men's livers.”

Posted by: TOM PAINE BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:32 AM (sj9LN)

167 I have to think that the polls showing voters (it is voters I guess, but doubt) blaming the stoopid party for any shutdown are a bunch of bs. Things change in progress.


This thought of course assumes a party that takes the fight to the donks, yeah, I guess I should not drink this early in the day.

Posted by: Dandolo at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (0XBx+)

168 OT: On short break now, but Benghazi hearing will have family members up next. Should be interesting, compared to the schmuck testimony of Pickering and Mullen. On C-SPAN 3

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (RLdcX)

169 Linked this yesterday. but it's worth a repeat. Representative government? Watching out for the middle class? Congressman on Obamacare Exemption: ‘Go Home and Talk to Your Wife’ http://t.co/aBGlHJgcOV

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (DmNpO)

170 Remember when we had a majority, but then we went RINO!!!! hunting? Totally did wonders for the party. We're much stronger now. In what feverdream did that happen? As I recall, the Republicans went Dem-Lite for most of 2005 & 2006, got their clocks cleaned and lost the House (the Senate followed in 200 in 2006, and the Republicans only got the House back (and gained in the Senate) because of "RINO!!!! hunting" in 2010. Then, in 2012, despite a Re-elected Democrat president, we maintained our majority in the House, and gained in most State houses. So... how about you produce some evidence that "RINO!!!! hunting" has caused any significant damage to the party?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (/PCJa)

171 Headline: Pope Francis Shows Off New Cock-Ring From Vatican Balcony!!!! Walkback: Man in Rome affirms standard Catholic dogma.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (ZshNr)

172 WASHINGTON — The ambitious U.S.-Russian deal to eliminate Syria's chemical weapons, hailed as a diplomatic breakthrough just days ago, hit its first delay Wednesday with indications that the Syrian government will not submit an inventory of its toxic stockpiles and facilities to international inspectors by this weekend's deadline. The State Department signaled that it would not insist that Syrian President Bashar Assad produce the list Saturday, the end of a seven-day period spelled out in the framework deal that Washington and Moscow announced last weekend in Geneva. Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said Wednesday that "our goal is to see forward momentum" by Saturday, not the full list. "We've never said it was a hard and fast deadline." Sure why not let obama negotiate with the Iranians? I mean he drives a hard bargain?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (9Xc5j)

173 Stuff That Will Cause Fights Walking it back.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (IXrOn)

174 On now

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (RLdcX)

175 But hey, you know what you're talking about, I'm sure. You've got your gut! Who needs a basic knowledge of recent history? Facts are for pussies.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 19, 2013 02:24 PM (yemTi)

As opposed to every member of the congressional black caucus?

Posted by: tangonine at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (x3YFz)

176 My wife made me see Pitch Perfect a while ago. The plot revolves around a girl a capella group trying to win the finals after choking the previous year, while using a set list that hadn't changed for like 15 years. Gotta say, a story that revolves around a plucky upstart from the "wrong" crowd trying to help a group achieve success over the active opposition of the arrogant leadership is something that has more than a little relevance to the shit I'm seeing from the Establishment RINO types.

Posted by: @JohnTant at September 19, 2013 10:33 AM (F3IIA)

Posted by: GWAR at September 19, 2013 10:34 AM (nBPOI)

178 Stuff That Will Cause Fights Bringin' it, on.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:34 AM (IXrOn)

179   Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 19, 2013 02:31 PM (U2UQk)

He's mocking an earlier post by Gabe which utterly mis-characterized a statement by Cruz. 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 19, 2013 10:34 AM (v3pYe)

180 No, he just never said those words. The Italian press has a way of putting words into the Popes mouth. I saw a headline where the previous Pope was supposed to have endorsed the Big Bang Theory. He never used the words Big or Bang or Theory. But it got a lot of attention.

 

 

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 19, 2013 02:31 PM (U2UQk)

 

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I know.  It was a sarcastic  reference to Gabriel Malor's earlier post about  Ted Cruz  "walking back"   his remarks on the defunding  fight.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:34 AM (CJjw5)

181 We're sticking with the wishbone offense. If 3 yards in a cloud of dust was good enough in the 60's, it's good enough for today!

Posted by: Coach Boehner at September 19, 2013 10:35 AM (bmp0d)

182 I feel like the Establishment is always telling us the agenda that will make their lives easier. You don't have to go to the cocktail parties we do! You don't know what it's like!

Posted by: The GOP at September 19, 2013 10:35 AM (FcR7P)

183 Bonus question: explain to me how this plan to retain and gain additional seats has a remote chance of success, or if that's too esoteric - how is the GOP going to survive without it's conservative base?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:17 PM (CJjw5)

 

A merger of the two halves of the bipartisan Party-In-Government?

Posted by: steveegg at September 19, 2013 10:35 AM (o44nj)

184
I have not yet begun to fight.  Its too hard.

Posted by: JOHN PAUL JONES BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:35 AM (sj9LN)

185 Patricia Smith, mother of Sean Smith, testifying in Congress now. Powerful. Cspan-3

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 19, 2013 10:35 AM (DmNpO)

186 Sean Smith's Mother, Patricia, is speaking at the Benghazi hearing. C-SPAN 3

Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 19, 2013 10:36 AM (fzFF6)

187 I feel like the Establishment is always telling us the agenda that will make their lives easier. and, so they can get home for the holidays... or, get out early on a thursday for a long weekend... or,...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 10:36 AM (IXrOn)

188 My wife made me see Pitch Perfect a while ago. The plot revolves around a girl a capella group trying to win the finals after choking the previous year, while using a set list that hadn't changed for like 15 years. Gotta say, a story that revolves around a plucky upstart from the "wrong" crowd trying to help a group achieve success over the active opposition of the arrogant leadership is something that has more than a little relevance to the shit I'm seeing from the Establishment RINO types. *** I really enjoyed that movie.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 19, 2013 10:37 AM (DmNpO)

189 I know. It was a sarcastic reference to Gabriel Malor's earlier post about Ted Cruz "walking back" his remarks on the defunding fight. Oh, sorry. I got up late this morning and you guys were already teeing off on Gabe's backside, so I just sorta stepped in without reading the comments first. I should ctrl f'd for you, knowing you'd be bringing the love.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 19, 2013 10:37 AM (U2UQk)

190

On the one hand, I'm glad to see Ace knock down the idea that we should always fight the next battle, but on the other hand, I hate that he's having to repudiate a cob in the process.

It occurs to me that "Fight on the next hill" is as meaningful as the sign at Joe's Crab Shack:  "Free crab tomorrow."

Posted by: Bubba at September 19, 2013 10:37 AM (8tLzE)

191

As I recall, the Republicans went Dem-Lite for most of 2005 & 2006, got their clocks cleaned and lost the House (the Senate followed in 200 in 2006, and the Republicans only got the House back (and gained in the Senate) because of "RINO!!!! hunting" in 2010.

 

Then, in 2012, despite a Re-elected Democrat president, we maintained our majority in the House, and gained in most State houses.

 

So... how about you produce some evidence that "RINO!!!! hunting" has caused any significant damage to the party?

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 02:33 PM (/PCJa)

 

They went Dem-Lite in 2003, somehow survived 2004, and lost both Houses of Congress in 2006.  Besides, they're now hunting us.

Posted by: steveegg at September 19, 2013 10:37 AM (o44nj)

192 >>>As opposed to every member of the congressional black caucus?

Not sure what the joke here is (keep in mind, I'm pretty slow myself today), but god knows you won't find me saying a word in favor of the Mos Eisley-esque wretched hive of scum and villainy that is the CBC.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 19, 2013 10:37 AM (yemTi)

193 He's mocking an earlier post by Gabe which utterly mis-characterized a statement by Cruz. If you really want to hear a bunch of half-truths and mis-quotes from Gabe, ask him about Sheriff Arpaio.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:38 AM (yETln)

194 Russa vs Greenpeace. Take Russia and the points. The French with all their faults handled Greenpeace well.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 19, 2013 10:39 AM (kl3xJ)

195 Remember when we had a majority, but then we went RINO!!!! hunting? Totally did wonders for the party. We're much stronger now.
Posted by: Shoot Me at September 19, 2013 02:30 PM

If a worthless majority is all you want, just switch parties. 

Posted by: Big Ben at September 19, 2013 10:39 AM (I5Htn)

196 If you really want to hear a bunch of half-truths and mis-quotes from Gabe, ask him about Sheriff Arpaio. *** Stuff that will cause fights?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 19, 2013 10:39 AM (DmNpO)

197
“Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let's just cave.”

Posted by: JOHN PARKER BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:39 AM (sj9LN)

198 "It was a sarcastic reference..."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:34 PM (CJjw5)

There is no place for sarcasm or levity here.

Posted by: Purity and Seriousness Brigade at September 19, 2013 10:39 AM (gqgiP)

199 I saw a headline where the previous Pope was supposed to have endorsed the Big Bang Theory.

*knockknock*
Francis?
*knockknock*
Francis?
*knockknock*
Francis?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 19, 2013 10:39 AM (/kI1Q)

200 If you really want to hear a bunch of half-truths and mis-quotes from Gabe, ask him about Sheriff Arpaio. Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 02:38 PM

You're kidding, right?

What does Gabe have against pink underwear?

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 19, 2013 10:39 AM (kaGpp)

201 Don't fire until the orange guy is clear off this hill!

Posted by: John Boehner, Founding Father at September 19, 2013 10:40 AM (TpXEI)

202 Stuff that will cause fights? Oh yes, very much yes.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:40 AM (yETln)

203 Torpedoes? Holy shit. RUN!!!!!!

Posted by: Adm. David Farragut Boehner at September 19, 2013 10:40 AM (8ZskC)

204

Can I answer? PLEASE?!?!?

 



Because the previous 40 votes were all "dead end" stand-alone votes meant for show? Because if it were attached to a "must-pass" piece of legislation, Dingy Harry might actually have to justify PlaceboCare with a vote again? Because it is a cup check for the House PRL on whether a defund/delay of PlaceboCare is the absolute first thing jettisoned either in conference or in ping-pong?

 

 

Posted by: steveegg at September 19, 2013 02:32 PM (o44nj)

 

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Too micro.    The answer I was looking  for is:

 

Because Fuck Them,  That's  Why.

 

You   don't compromise  on major  principles.  You don't put your imprimatur  on a piece of legislation  that "taxes"  you for merely drawing breath.  You  don't  give your okay  to a bill that consists  of mostly blank pages that O'Stumblefuck's  appointed  bureaucrats can fill in at their leisure years later.

 

You  stand  up and  say, "Fuck that.  You want my  vote?  You can't have  it and here's why,  America." 

 

You let your  constituents know where  you stand, which should be with  them.

 

Or you just stand aside  and whine that there's nothing you could do,  anyway.  Like a RINO  pussy.

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:40 AM (CJjw5)

205 Gotta say, a story that revolves around a plucky upstart from the "wrong" crowd trying to help a group achieve success over the active opposition of the arrogant leadership is something that has more than a little relevance to the shit I'm seeing from the Establishment RINO types. I hated that movie when it was called "Sister Act."

Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2013 10:40 AM (W6bkf)

206 "...ask him about Sheriff Arpaio."

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 02:38 PM (yETln)

He's a bit of an anti-freedom thug....don't you think?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2013 10:40 AM (gqgiP)

207 You're kidding, right? What does Gabe have against pink underwear? Not kidding at all. Gabe thinks Arpaio and his supporters are a bunch of lawless thugs. Just ask him.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:41 AM (yETln)

208 We would fight them on the beaches, but sand would get all down our shorts.

Posted by: Winston Churchill Boehner at September 19, 2013 10:41 AM (8ZskC)

209 Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods, up now. Patricia Smith dang near made me cry. What a tormented soul.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 19, 2013 10:42 AM (DmNpO)

210 Maybe it will help if we talk about hills to fight on rather than hills to die on.  Because pining for the fjords is for the other guy.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at September 19, 2013 10:42 AM (kJ474)

211 For EC,
http://en.bijin-snap.com/2013/08/23/no-1003/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 19, 2013 10:42 AM (R2RYK)

212 "...RINO pussy. "

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:40 PM (CJjw5)

Eh....I'd still hit it.

Posted by: Typical lewd Moron at September 19, 2013 10:42 AM (gqgiP)

213 Get rid of TFGÂ’s czars.

Posted by: CarolT at September 19, 2013 10:42 AM (z4WKX)

214 Listening to Charles Woods (Ty Woods father). Compelling!

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 19, 2013 10:42 AM (RLdcX)

215

There is no place for sarcasm or levity here.

 


 

Posted by: Purity and Seriousness Brigade at September 19, 2013 02:39 PM (gqgiP)

 

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I paid for the Platinum  Membership;  I'm gonna use my Platinum  Benefits.  So there.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:42 AM (CJjw5)

216 "Nuts.  You win"

Posted by: Gen Anthony McAuliffe at September 19, 2013 10:43 AM (BAS5M)

217 youtube.com/watch?v=DUDtFdnn9oQ

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at September 19, 2013 10:43 AM (3ZtZW)

218 Every time I see Boehners name I think.. "Boner" huhuh huhuh he said boner!!

Posted by: Snail racing champion, on the move at September 19, 2013 10:43 AM (JyjPb)

219
NUTS!!!!  I really like em.

Posted by: GENERAL MCAULIFFE BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:43 AM (sj9LN)

220 I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today!

Posted by: Wimpy at September 19, 2013 10:43 AM (Dwehj)

221 Cheering for the GOP is like cheering for the Cleveland Browns.

They'll break your heart every time.

Did I mention I stopped being a Brows fan in the 90s?

Posted by: Warden at September 19, 2013 10:44 AM (bmp0d)

222

If we are using football  analogies  I've got to tell you it didn't help the New Orleans football team when all of the fans wore bags over their heads and called them the  'aints.     It  was  funny and   cathartic   but  it  didn't  help. 

 

They slowly built their team up.   I think we are doing that with Cruz.  First time I've had a small ray of hope.   

Posted by: polynikes at September 19, 2013 10:44 AM (m2CN7)

223 Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 02:41 PM (yETln)

Arpaio is a thug.

Just because he goes after illegals, -- which is a fine idea by the way -- doesn't mean that we should discard the constitution and cheer for his many other anti-freedom activities.

Posted by: Typical lewd Moron at September 19, 2013 10:44 AM (gqgiP)

224
dammit. too late

Posted by: GENERAL MCAULIFFE BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:44 AM (sj9LN)

225 Arpaio is a character, for sure, but his total body of work strikes me as positive. Prisons he runs, provided the stories I've read are true, have lower rates of inmate-on-inmate violence, inmate-on-guard-violence or guard-inmate criminal ventures ( paying guards to bring in contraband).

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 19, 2013 10:44 AM (ZshNr)

226 "But what is the point then? We're not just rooting for a party like we root for a football team. (Although it does feel that way sometimes.)"

----------------------------------------------------------

Yes, we are. Or, at least, they are. The many, many GOP voters and fierce supporters of Romney. They have little to no principles or ideological viewpoints. Hell, most of them never think about an issue any deeper than "I don't want to pay more taxes".

As for those who are personally invested in the party, like David Frum or Karl Rove, it is all about electoral victories, and nothing else.

But then, this all largely is the same for the Democrats, at this point. Both parties are now nothing more than corporate political entities, vying for their share of the government pie. They sniff at you if you dare suggest they work hard, or if you want them to actually fight for any values. After a while, they'll start threatening you if you don't vote for them.

Much like unions, really.

Posted by: YourPoopyPants at September 19, 2013 10:44 AM (bOKSd)

227 He's a bit of an anti-freedom thug....don't you think? I've heard some bad things, but I think on balance he's what his county needs. I'm hesitant to believe some of the info because there are a lot of people that really really want to take him down. Still, I object to Gabe's take on the man. Last time I looked up some of his claims and found his account to be seriously untrue in several points.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:44 AM (yETln)

228 "Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes." John Boner, Rules of Engagement 101

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 19, 2013 10:44 AM (U2UQk)

229 Did I mention I stopped being a Browns fan in the 90s?

Before they moved to Baltimore?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 19, 2013 10:44 AM (/kI1Q)

230 Yeah, but he's our thug.

Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2013 10:45 AM (3hIs0)

231

If we are using football analogies I've got to tell you it didn't help the New Orleans football team when all of the fans wore bags over their heads and called them the 'aints. It was funny and cathartic but it didn't help.

 



They slowly built their team up. I think we are doing that with Cruz.First time I've hada small ray of hope.

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at September 19, 2013 02:44 PM (m2CN7)

 

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Yes,  40 years qualifies as "slowly."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:45 AM (CJjw5)

232 I listened  to Levin's rant first thing this morning. What a great  way to start the day.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 19, 2013 10:45 AM (0HooB)

233 214 Listening to Charles Woods (Ty Woods father). Compelling!

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 19, 2013 02:42 PM (RLdcX)


My Green Cheeked Conure was just trapped beneath the couch by my sun conures.  He puffed up and ran back and for saying "goddammit goddammit goddamit"

THAT was compelling.

Posted by: tangonine at September 19, 2013 10:45 AM (x3YFz)

234 Remember when DrewM said that those of us who said that the timing of General Hamm's "retirement" was fishy were conspiracy theorists and we should just believe what Obama was pitching about it being a long time planned event? I guess Tyrone Woods father is a conspiracy theorist cause he ain't buying it either.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 19, 2013 10:46 AM (g1DWB)

235

Or you just stand aside and whine that there's nothing you could do, anyway. Like a RINO pussy.

 

_________________________________

 

Bravo.  No walk back necessary.

Posted by: meh at September 19, 2013 10:46 AM (W2qJe)

236 29 What hill will Gabe & his fellow squishes fight on? Does this hill exists anywhere but in Never-Never Land?
==========
It's the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 19, 2013 10:46 AM (VjL9S)

237 Charles Woods: "If the Presidents child had been in Benghzi, what would the rescue attempts have been?" Says it all

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 19, 2013 10:46 AM (RLdcX)

238 Cheering for the GOP is like cheering for the Cleveland Browns. They'll break your heart every time. Did I mention I stopped being a Brows fan in the 90s? Posted by: Warden at September 19, 2013 02:44 PM (bmp0d) Warden, I say this from the bottom of my soul shaped cavity. Fuck you.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 19, 2013 10:46 AM (VtjlW)

239 230 Yeah, but he's our thug.

Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2013 02:45 PM (3hIs0)


Oh, so you root for the Hokies too?

Posted by: joncelli at September 19, 2013 10:46 AM (RD7QR)

240 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zosXEECjqX4

Not the first time the Ruskies have tangled with the ecotards from Greenpeas. It did not turn out well for the Greenies.

I like this one a lot because these goofballs still thought the earth was warming a year ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 19, 2013 02:30 PM (g1DWB)

*



Oh thats hilarious...the guy pleading for you to save the children is a hoot!!

the video was made in Aug 2012....a year later 60% more Arctic ice!! ELEVENTY!!!!


 

Posted by: dananjcon at September 19, 2013 10:46 AM (wmU4G)

241
Longshanks desires Peace?  Well, okay.

Posted by: WILLIAM WALLACE BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:46 AM (sj9LN)

242

Too micro. The answer I was looking for is:

 

Because Fuck Them, That's Why.

 

You don't compromise on major principles. You don't put your imprimatur on a piece of legislation that "taxes" you for merely drawing breath. You don't give your okay to a bill that consists of mostly blank pages that O'Stumblefuck's appointed bureaucrats can fill in at their leisure years later.

 

You stand up and say, "Fuck that. You want my vote? You can't have it and here's why, America."

 

You let your constituents know where you stand, which should be with them.

 

Or you just stand aside and whine that there's nothing you could do, anyway. Like a RINO pussy.

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:40 PM (CJjw5)

 

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you today's Comment of the Day™, even if what prompted this was deemed "too micro".

Posted by: steveegg at September 19, 2013 10:46 AM (o44nj)

243 You stand up and say, "Fuck that. You want my vote? You can't have it and here's why, America."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:40 PM (CJjw5)

100% correct.

We are getting bogged down in wonkish, Inside Baseball minutia, when the only issue should be whether the Republicans are fighting tooth-and-nail against this destruction of our freedoms.

Sure, ObamaCare costs a lot, but that's not the problem.

The problem is that it takes our freedom, and that is something to die for.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2013 10:47 AM (gqgiP)

244 237 Charles Woods: "If the Presidents child had been in Benghzi, what would the rescue attempts have been?"

Says it all

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 19, 2013 02:46 PM (RLdcX)

Trick question.  No spawn of Obama would have the genetic balls to be on the roof where Ty and Glen took the mortar.

Posted by: tangonine at September 19, 2013 10:47 AM (x3YFz)

245 Cheering for the GOP is like cheering for the Cleveland Browns. To up and leave, making room for a new team? I hear ya...

Posted by: t-bird at September 19, 2013 10:47 AM (FcR7P)

246 205 Gotta say, a story that revolves around a plucky upstart from the "wrong" crowd trying to help a group achieve success over the active opposition of the arrogant leadership is something that has more than a little relevance to the shit I'm seeing from the Establishment RINO types. I hated that movie when it was called "Sister Act." Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2013 02:40 PM (W6bkf) That's sister act 2. I always like the young red head nun.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 19, 2013 10:48 AM (tzp8R)

247  even if what prompted this was deemed "too micro".

 

 

Posted by: steveegg at September 19, 2013 02:46 PM (o44nj)

 

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Sorry,  I would amend that to say,  that while  you  are correct,  it was more specific than what I was after.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:49 AM (CJjw5)

248

Sorry, I would amend that to say, that while you are correct, it was more specific than what I was after.

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:49 PM (CJjw5)

 

It's all good.

Posted by: steveegg at September 19, 2013 10:50 AM (o44nj)

249 blamed by a more than 2-1 margin and a clear majority. of people who won't vote in an off-year Republican primary or mid-term election.

Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2013 10:50 AM (3hIs0)

250 Stuff That Will Cause Fights


Walking it back.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 19, 2013 02:33 PM (IXrOn)


**


Oh dear...not another donnybrook!




Posted by: dananjcon at September 19, 2013 10:50 AM (wmU4G)

251 My Green Cheeked Conure was just trapped beneath the couch by my sun conures. Your house must be lousy with shrieks and whistles. I had a Green Conure who could rattle your head. Cute little guy though.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:50 AM (yETln)

252 Posted by: Lincolntf at September 19, 2013 02:44 PM (ZshNr)

His jails are great. But he is quite the favors-broker, which scares me.

Crony Corruption is Crony Corruption.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2013 10:50 AM (gqgiP)

253 Posted by: polynikes at September 19, 2013 02:44 PM (m2CN7)

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Yes, 40 years qualifies as "slowly."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:45 PM (CJjw5)

 

come on now,  it was only 29 years.   ( actually only seven if you count their first playoff appearance) 

Posted by: polynikes at September 19, 2013 10:51 AM (m2CN7)

254 Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 02:50 PM (yETln)

They're a bitch to pluck, but if you feed them correctly they taste great sautéed with some morels in a butter sauce.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2013 10:52 AM (gqgiP)

255 245 Cheering for the GOP is like cheering for the Cleveland Browns.

To up and leave, making room for a new team? I hear ya...

Posted by: t-bird at September 19, 2013 02:47 PM (FcR7P)

I respectfully differ.

I have a heartfelt hate for everything Cleveland (I'm a Steeler fan), yet I respect their hate for me and believe it or not, we've got that AFC Central (fuck the North) bond.

With the GOP?  no.  No respect.  Just vile bastards.

Posted by: tangonine at September 19, 2013 10:52 AM (x3YFz)

256

I hated that movie when it was called "Sister Act."

 


Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2013 02:40 PM (W6bkf)

 




That's sister act 2. I always like the young red head nun.

 

 

Posted by: Buzzion at September 19, 2013 02:48 PM (tzp8R)

 

--------------------------

 

Heh.  That reminds me - we had a short, thin  black soldier  in one of my platoons, once that we called "Happy   Day"  because he was a dead ringer for the kid in Sister Act that sings, "Oh,  Happy  Day"  in the movie  - including the kid's size.

 

He'd  get so pissed.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:52 AM (CJjw5)

257
The first rule of obamacare is you don't talk about obamacare.

Posted by: FIGHTCLUB BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 10:52 AM (sj9LN)

258 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:49 PM (CJjw5)

RINO....you caved!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2013 10:53 AM (gqgiP)

259 How long until 'Corner Curio Cabinet' guy goes apeshit and loses it?

Posted by: RWC Chalupa Batman at September 19, 2013 10:53 AM (fWAjv)

260 I don't understand the "French" Republicans reference. French Republicans chopped people's heads off and generally ran amok (and not a very good mok).   I don't see Boehner as that type.  So "French" is now just an all-purpose insulting adjective?

Posted by: Bud Norton at September 19, 2013 10:53 AM (6cOMd)

261 251 My Green Cheeked Conure was just trapped beneath the couch by my sun conures.

Your house must be lousy with shrieks and whistles. I had a Green Conure who could rattle your head. Cute little guy though.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 02:50 PM (yETln)

Rusty just talks.  it's the goddam sun conures that won't give a moment's peace until the sun sets.

Posted by: tangonine at September 19, 2013 10:54 AM (x3YFz)

262 His jails are great. But he is quite the favors-broker, which scares me. I'd be happy to read more. I hate corrupt cops more than many things. Do you have some good sources?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 10:54 AM (yETln)

263

The first rule of obamacare is you don't talk about obamacare.

 

Posted by: FIGHTCLUB BOEHNER at September 19, 2013 02:52 PM (sj9LN)

 

The second rule of PlaceboCare is you don't dare defund or delay it when it counts.  After all, MittensCare is its godfather.

Posted by: Fightclub Bo(eh)ner at September 19, 2013 10:54 AM (o44nj)

264 To up and leave, making room for a new team? I hear ya...

And win two Super Bowls after they leave while their replacements suck 31 flavors of ass?

Metaphor needs work.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 19, 2013 10:55 AM (/kI1Q)

265 I don't understand the "French" Republicans reference. Think 'Vichy'.

Posted by: t-bird at September 19, 2013 10:55 AM (FcR7P)

266 In lieu of the barrel (for a limited time only) any degenerates who screw up the format will have the luxury of being entered into.. Michelle Obama is joining us for brunch — and you could be there! Here’s the deal: if you win, we’ll send you and a friend to San Francisco to meet Michelle, grab brunch, and get a picture. We’ll even cover your hotel and airfare! FREE ENTRY: Just click here and we’ll automatically throw your name in the hat!

Posted by: RWC Chalupa Batman at September 19, 2013 10:55 AM (fWAjv)

267 I don't care anymore. I am concentrating on making enough money to pay for my health care and eventual demise. And that means, yes, I am resigned to living under Obamacare.

As a contract employee, by the way, I'm one of the few people that has more work than I can do these days.


So delay vs. defund is a moot point for me.

Posted by: Oschisms at September 19, 2013 10:55 AM (pfVS8)

268 It was funny and cathartic but it didn't help. Actually, I disagree. It's hard to be a laughing stock. So the Saints kept trying new things (new coaches, new approaches, etc.) until they started winning. Part of that was the paper bags and the "ain'ts." Part of it was not making much money (since no one wanted to be associated with them). So the ownership (if they wanted more revenue) had no real choice but to keep fighting and clawing until they found something that worked. As a contrast, look at the Cowboys. They haven't won anything in 2 decades. They couldn't beat the Kansas City Chiefs last week. And when they do try to "change" things, they do it half-heartedly; timidly "trying" something new (without actually "trying" in the sense of putting effort into it) just to prove that it doesn't work. Yet they're still the most profitable US Professional Sports team. They're the single biggest earner in the NFL. As a result? Jerry Jones has no reason to change anything- so nothing changes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:56 AM (/PCJa)

269 Michelle Obama is joining us for brunch

I kind of want to go just to Instagram everything she eats.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 19, 2013 10:57 AM (/kI1Q)

270 Posted by: Oschisms at September 19, 2013 02:55 PM (pfVS


Might have to be worried about finding a doctor by the time you are ready to pay for your healthcare and eventual demise thanks to Obamadoesn'tcare.

Posted by: sweet...ish at September 19, 2013 10:57 AM (bj+Nc)

271

RINO....you caved!

 


 

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2013 02:53 PM (gqgiP)

 

-----------------

 

I just walked  it back.  That's all.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 10:58 AM (CJjw5)

272

Republicans:  "We are going to eventually win the game by kicking more field goals!"

Me: "But what about offense, defense, passing....?"

Republicans:  "On thing at a time!  First - field goals.  Then we can work on that other stuff you mentioned that we also suck at."

Me: "But in the meantime, won't you keep perpetually losing?  And by constantly losing all the time, won't you lose the income from the fans to pursue improvements to other parts of the team?"

Republicans "You just don't understand how football works..."

Posted by: TVland at September 19, 2013 10:58 AM (/EkKm)

273

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 02:56 PM (/PCJa)

 

cause and effect man,  cause and effect.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 19, 2013 10:58 AM (m2CN7)

274 So "French" is now just an all-purpose insulting adjective? Ummm.... since roughly the 1950s, yes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 10:59 AM (/PCJa)

275 I kind of want to go just to Instagram everything she eats. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 19, 2013 02:57 PM (/kI1Q) Very doubtful they would let an 'unwashed' take non State approved pictures. You could always copy a pic of 'Old Country Buffet' though.

Posted by: RWC Chalupa Batman at September 19, 2013 10:59 AM (fWAjv)

276 Field Goals, hell it seems we are relying on safeties

Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2013 10:59 AM (3hIs0)

277 They couldn't beat the Kansas City Chiefs last week.

The Chiefs only beat teams that are good and only as fluke. Later in the season they will face a team that is 0-9 and will lose 45-0.   I say that as a Chiefs fan.

Posted by: sweet...ish at September 19, 2013 10:59 AM (bj+Nc)

278 I've been paying my doctor in cash my entire life. How will this change under Obamacare?

Posted by: Oschisms at September 19, 2013 11:00 AM (pfVS8)

279 138 When you've lost Grumpy Kermit the Frog....

In my dreams, a loudspeaker is placed in Boner's office, and he is forced to listen to Levin's rant, over and over.

Might also be a good idea for Malor and all the Poppin' Freshes to give him a listen, too.

What was it Goldwater said about moderation in the defense of liberty? Yeah, it's still true, as it has been every day since 1776.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 19, 2013 02:26 PM (kaGpp)


right on...

Posted by: Shoey at September 19, 2013 11:00 AM (jdOk/)

280 274 So "French" is now just an all-purpose insulting adjective? Unless your referring to full fat, classic cooking or topless beaches

Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2013 11:01 AM (3hIs0)

281 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 19, 2013 02:40 PM (CJjw5) 100% correct. We are getting bogged down in wonkish, Inside Baseball minutia, when the only issue should be whether the Republicans are fighting tooth-and-nail against this destruction of our freedoms. Sure, ObamaCare costs a lot, but that's not the problem. The problem is that it takes our freedom, and that is something to die for. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2013 02:47 PM (gqgiP) This and amnesty are hills to die on. Those two things will inevitably change everything.

Posted by: mare at September 19, 2013 11:02 AM (A98Xu)

282 How will this change under Obamacare? If enough people do it? Look for a new "Rule" to come down that Doctors can't accept patients without insurance- that you'll have to secure (Guaranteed! Issue!!!) insurance before you can be seen, and all services must be reported on a claim.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 11:02 AM (/PCJa)

283 Cruz is turning this baby around and cornering Obama. The elites hate it, but he's gaining strength anyway. He's threatening to them, and their positions. That's why he was attacked so quickly yesterday. He's stealing the wind from their sails, he's showing the 'old guard' how to take a fight to the dems, and they hate it. The old guard wants it's fucking tater tots on Tuesday in the cafeteria, the really nice sturdy plastic forks, and they most definitely do no want popular young whipper-snappers showing them up.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 19, 2013 11:03 AM (sCynV)

284 Posted by: Oschisms at September 19, 2013 03:00 PM (pfVS

Lots of doctor's "retiring" due to the shit storm that is Obamadoesn'tcare.  Hope yours isn't one of them.

Posted by: sweet...ish at September 19, 2013 11:03 AM (bj+Nc)

285

The GOP  needs to find an  "Here is what we will do if you elect us!" kind of message.

We've tried the status quo, "we will monkey around with the Democrats ideas, make them more palatable and just a wee bit less Stalinist, and then we will run things better than those asshats!" message, and it failed in two straight elections.

 

Lets go.

Posted by: MTF at September 19, 2013 11:03 AM (B5y+v)

286 I've been paying my doctor in cash my entire life. How will this change under Obamacare? Fewer doctors, fewer new drugs and procedures, longer lines, and less herd immunity that benefits you by not surrounding you with sick people.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 11:04 AM (yETln)

287

I would like to see just one political pudit on the right run for national office.  The only one that I know of so far that walked the talk is Texas state senator , Dan Patrick.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 19, 2013 11:04 AM (m2CN7)

288 Nonsense. Cash for health care is how the rich will avoid Obamacare. In my town, New York City, all the best doctors are already cash for services; they let the patient bargain with the insurance companies.

I'm just looking at this as a serious incentive to work my ass off.

Posted by: Oschisms at September 19, 2013 11:06 AM (pfVS8)

289 Do you have some good sources?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 19, 2013 02:54 PM (yETln)

Try Coyote Blog.

Here's a search screen from over there:

http://tinyurl.com/mx4kexs

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2013 11:06 AM (gqgiP)

290 This ad is obviously not raycis because the Uncle Sam character is a creepy ass cracker!

Posted by: runningrn at September 19, 2013 11:08 AM (PLOz8)

291

@287

Yes but he supported Dewhurst/RINO

 

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 19, 2013 11:08 AM (R8hU8)

292

If enough people do it? Look for a new "Rule" to come down that Doctors can't accept patients without insurance- that you'll have to secure (Guaranteed! Issue!!!) insurance before you can be seen, and all services must be reported on a claim.

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 19, 2013 03:02 PM (/PCJa)

 

They already do it in Canada and Cuba, and it's something Secretary Ratched can do on her own.

Posted by: Fightclub Bo(eh)ner at September 19, 2013 11:09 AM (o44nj)

293 The fact that the frigging IRS is going to implement Obamacare is plenty of reason to get rid of it. That some government ass will decide who is treated and who is not, is the other reason. Screw them. This is the USA we are all equal. Some have more money, etc than others but no government bureaucrat is not going to decide who gets treatment. TheyÂ’ll give more to the politically connected. Add to that that Congress was supposed to be subject to it but now we have to pay for their care and I am not sure if we are paying for all the congressional aides! Throw the whole bill out!

Posted by: CarolT at September 19, 2013 11:09 AM (z4WKX)

294

Lots of doctor's "retiring" due to the shit storm that is Obamadoesn'tcare. Hope yours isn't one of them.

 

Posted by: sweet...ish at September 19, 2013 03:03 PM (bj+Nc)

 

Actually, hope yours is one of them; then you can get Fourth Department-level care under the table while everybody else gets NICEd to death.

Posted by: Fightclub Bo(eh)ner at September 19, 2013 11:10 AM (o44nj)

295

Damn dirty sock off!

 

That's twice (or is it thrice?) today I forgot to do that.

Posted by: steveegg at September 19, 2013 11:11 AM (o44nj)

296 My doctor was in semi-retirement for the last decade. The doctor he sold his practice to, the one I'll see, has never made a phone call to an insurance company or employed someone to do so. Cash, Visa or Mastercard. This is how the rich avoid the system, with their money.

I don't deny that there will be less procedures, drug research, etc.: I'm just resigned to the fact that medical research in the US is now frozen in time. Delay vs. Defund doesn't really affect that, though, does it?

Posted by: Oschisms at September 19, 2013 11:11 AM (pfVS8)

297 I    shall    return........and   THEN    I'll    give    up.

Posted by: General Douglas MacBoener at September 19, 2013 11:11 AM (d2CZd)

298

This is the USA we are all equal

 

We consider you to be a serf, or vassal.

Posted by: John Boehner at September 19, 2013 11:11 AM (TpXEI)

299

Will Uncle Sam do my next proctology exam? Allllllll Righty then! 

Posted by: Jim Carey at September 19, 2013 11:11 AM (EGPJQ)

300 Note to Sen Cruz: the Dems already shoved it down our throats. They're trying to keep us from coughing it up. Clever comeback. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2013 11:12 AM (a4Omg)

301 "As I recall, the Republicans went Dem-Lite for most of 2005 & 2006"


And you know what?  The base was *fine* with that, until amnesty made everyone lose their minds.  And if we're arguing about weakness now it means the RINO!!! hunting has NOT worked.

I'm sick of the self-flattering image the base has of itself and I'm sick of the "IF ONLY THE ESTABLISHMENT!" conspiracy theories.  I've grown convinced that the Right is only good at alienating people.

Posted by: Shoot Me at September 19, 2013 11:12 AM (qiXMt)

302 Posted by: Oschisms at September 19, 2013 03:06 PM (pfVS

Hope that works out for ya.  I've got a kid so I have to think about what will be left behind for him when I'm gone.  I would really prefer a free republic.  So even if I have a plan B to avoid what is being set up through the rest of MY life, I sure as hell don't want to subject my kid to a life with more gov't and less freedom and Obamadoesn'tcare is one of the steps to socialism.  F that.  I will fight for him if nothing else.

Posted by: sweet...ish at September 19, 2013 11:12 AM (bj+Nc)

303 'Schumer heads to Iowa'... from drudge
He really thinks he can become president?  They really are in their own reality there in DC.

Posted by: Rapunzel at September 19, 2013 11:15 AM (Nx76m)

304

Hope that works out for ya. I've got a kid so I have to think about what will be left behind for him when I'm gone.

 

My hope is that my son gets to be a guy driving or operating a machine gun on a dune buggy scouring the badlands for fuel, and not one of the cattle-humans who will be eaten by Morlochs.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2013 11:17 AM (TpXEI)

305 Posted by: polynikes at September 19, 2013 03:04 PM (m2CN7) I'd like to see Dennis Prager run, but he probably does much more important work as a talk show host.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2013 11:22 AM (a4Omg)

306 Any thoughts on making this Plan B or pushing for the suspensions in the debt ceiling fight?

"...Republicans could do the following:  pass a CR that funds the government for the next fiscal year at the same levels required by the sequestration law, codify in statute the suspension of the corporate employer mandate already announced by the Obama administration, and pair the statutory suspension of the corporate employer mandate with an equivalent suspension of the individual mandate and the exchange subsidies that go along with it."

http://bit.ly/1brmfqa

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 19, 2013 11:23 AM (YjDyJ)

307 301 "As I recall, the Republicans went Dem-Lite for most of 2005 2006" And you know what? The base was *fine* with that, until amnesty made everyone lose their minds. And if we're arguing about weakness now it means the RINO!!! hunting has NOT worked. I'm sick of the self-flattering image the base has of itself and I'm sick of the "IF ONLY THE ESTABLISHMENT!" conspiracy theories. I've grown convinced that the Right is only good at alienating people. Posted by: Shoot Me at September 19, 2013 03:12 PM (qiXMt) So the establishment gop finally hit the breaking point for the base in 2006. And you are now pissed at the base because they don't want to go along with the gops "lets just keep doing what we always did" that eventually led to that breaking point again.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 19, 2013 11:24 AM (kLBqw)

308

@287
Yes but he supported Dewhurst/RINO

 

That's just one of a  few  of things we do or did not agree on but  I give him credit for putting his money where  his mouth is.    

Posted by: polynikes at September 19, 2013 11:26 AM (m2CN7)

309 Schumer heads to Iowa. Would that there were a Bill Mumy type conservative boy who could send him to the cornfield. ;^) I denounce myself. I really don't wish physical harm on Schumer. I just wish he would retire.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2013 11:26 AM (a4Omg)

310 I don't understand the "French" Republicans reference. French Republicans chopped people's heads off and generally ran amok (and not a very good mok). I don't see Boehner as that type. So "French" is now just an all-purpose insulting adjective? yes, as in "surrender" Republicans, just silly red meat I would bet whoever coined the term knows anything about actual historical French Republicans

Posted by: Congress at September 19, 2013 11:27 AM (M2qTM)

311 I'd like to see Dennis Prager run, but he probably does much more important work as a talk show host.

***

Ooh, that'd make some leftards' heads asplode, him being a JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and all.

Posted by: cool arrow at September 19, 2013 11:32 AM (WMsq+)

312 I'd like to see Dennis Prager run, but he probably does much more important work as a talk show host.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2013 03:22 PM (a4Omg

 

I see Prager more of a philosopher and teacher rather  than a political pundit.   Yes  I  also think   he is better doing what he does now

Posted by: polynikes at September 19, 2013 11:32 AM (m2CN7)

313 Yeah, I've no kids and my nephews and nieces live in England, so (shrug)

Posted by: Oschisms at September 19, 2013 11:44 AM (pfVS8)

314 I think Prager would also make a terrific debate moderator as well. I said that during the last campaign. That assumes the RINO leadership stops playing footsie with the MFM, of course.

Posted by: rickl at September 19, 2013 11:47 AM (zoehZ)

315 I for the life of me cannot see the evil inherent in Congress passing what it wants, the President choosing to veto, and then Congress having to pass something that won't get vetoed. Where is the crime?

If the President wishes to veto, let him veto. It's his prerogative. But at least make him say he has no plans to alter course on ObamaCare, nor actually follow the law as enforced. And let him say he has moral power of the purse. Let him say that indeed.

Make him lay down a marker.

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 19, 2013 11:50 AM (EcrfB)

316 And you know what? The base was *fine* with that, until amnesty made everyone lose their minds. And if we're arguing about weakness now it means the RINO!!! hunting has NOT worked.


No, the base was most definitely NOT "fine" with that. I was starting to hear some grumbling as early as 2003-2004, but there was reluctance to criticize Bush too much because we were at war at the time and he had delivered tax cuts awhile back. It was a combination of Harriet Miers and amnesty which finally made them say "ENOUGH!"

I've said this before and I'll say it again. In politics, you need to give your voters results or you're going to get a backlash. The main reason the Democrats are successful is because the Democrats both believe what their base believes and fights relentlessly on their base's behalf to give them what they want. Republicans spend most of their time talking about how their base is comprised of dumb, ignorant, gap-toothed hicks who just don't understand the sublime game of ten dimensional chess being played in Washington by their betters.

If the party doesn't start delivering results to its voters, the voters are going to vote for and donate to someone else.

Posted by: Doomed at September 19, 2013 11:59 AM (49aeA)

317 11 I love pie. Posted by: Hillary Clinton If you think I'm eating pie with a fork, boy are you naïve.

Posted by: Hillary - The Lipstick lezbianese at September 19, 2013 01:22 PM (IanLz)

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