May 19, 2013
— Open Blogger

This cartoon is clearly dated. There's room in that landspeeder for at least 2 or 3 more droids for the storm troopers to ignore.
Good morning morons and moronettes and welcome to the the award-winning AoSHQ's Sunday Morning Book Thread.
The AoSHQ Amazon Store - Part Dieueueaueaoiux
OK, so I pulled out a few books by moron authors that I've pimped mentioned on earlier threads and converted the Amazon links to AoSHQ format.
Let's start out with some books by the always perky and vivacious Sabrina Chase. First, her new one:
And this one:
And her Sequoyah series:
The Long Way Home
Raven's Children
Queen of Chaos
I hope I got the order right.
Next up, the 'Zombie Books of Survival' of George Milonas:
My Last Testament
Off The Grid
Here is Pat Chiles' sci-fi novel Perigee
Steve Poling's anthology of time travel stories Finding Time wherein everybody isn't doomed and the future doesn't suck.
I don't think this one is by a moron author, but it was recommended a bunch of times on earlier threads: They Tell Me I'm The Bad Guy by R.D. Harless. The main character is "funny, vulgar, lazy and a blackout alcoholic." In other words, he's a Moron.
Moron author Ray Fiore's military sci-fi adventure Riley's Rogues. He also wrote the WWII novel Wings Over the Pacific.
Moron commenter John the Baptist wrote the moron-friendly Speaking Ill of the Dead: Jerks in Georgia History, which I discovered is just one of a series commemorating dead jerks in various parts of the country. Others in the series include Montana, Colorado, and Chicago.
Finally, Frank Fleming, who runs the hilarious IMAO blog, is kind of a moron himself. Well, be's more of a smartass, but that works, too. He's also the guy who wrote How to Fix Everything in America Forever: The Plan to Keep America Awesome. Fleming's legendary self-control and restraint are also on display in his other book Obama: The Greatest President in the History of Everything. I got it for free, but you schlubs will have to pay $1.99 for it. Note: this book is satire. It is not an anthology of quotes from MSNBC news programs.
Girl Power
Commenter Mitch e-mailed to recommend the Vanessa Michael Munroe novels by Taylor Stevens. Female action writers are sort of rare, kind of like female heavy metal guitarists, aren't they?
But get a load of this author's bio from Amazon:
Born in New York State, and into the Children of God, an apocalyptic religious cult spun from the Jesus Movement of the '60s, Stevens was raised in communes across the globe. Separated from her family at age twelve and denied an education beyond sixth grade, she lived on three continents and in a dozen countries before reaching fourteen. In place of schooling, the majority of her adolescence was spent begging on city streets at the behest of cult leaders, or as a worker bee child, caring for the many younger commune children, washing laundry and cooking meals for hundreds at a time. In her twenties, Stevens broke free in order to follow hope and a vague idea of what possibilities lay beyond. She now lives in Texas, and is at work on a fourth Munroe novel.
Wow. I can't imagine anyone being normal with that kind of a background. The emotional damage must be frightful. Anyway, The Informationist is the first book in the series that features a strong, female action hero. Ms. Stevens' bio makes it easy to believe she's been pushed around most of her life, and you have to wonder if writing these books is somehow therapeutic or cathartic for her.
Another Moronette Author
Longtime lurker/occasional commenter Anne Cleeland tells me in e-mail that she's lucky enough to have not one, but two (count 'em) two different print series coming out this summer.
One series is historical fiction set in the Regency period (Napoleonic spies) and the other is contemporary British detective.
Tainted Angel is going to come out in June and Murder in Thrall is set for release in August. Both can be pre-ordered now at Amazon
The author's web page is at http://annecleeland.com.
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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, rumors, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at aoshqbookthread@gmail.com.
So what have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as we all know, life is too short to read lousy books.
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Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 19, 2013 07:03 AM (PH+2B)
One thing I had to explain to him is that the delay of the approval of status is no small thing. It's not merely the delay of the system and bureaucracy as normal.
Delay of status denies them the ability to fund raise. A lot of donors won't give unless it gets them the tax deduction.
That's what the whole point of the IRS action was: To deny these groups the ability to raise money based on their perceived political views.
That's why there needs to be felony jail terms and executions ought to be an option.
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 19, 2013 07:08 AM (VjL9S)
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Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 19, 2013 07:11 AM (NcPjb)
Posted by: Brass Bancroft at May 19, 2013 07:12 AM (tTMRX)
So what am I reading now?
I re-tried some old Philip K. Dick stuff based on recommendations from last weekÂ’s book thread. Still could not get into it. Have gone back to old Mercedes Lackey stuff until something new comes along on Kindle under $10. I refuse to pay more that $10 for anything on the Kindle. (And very few for over $5)
Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 07:12 AM (53z96)
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Family History Books
Last week, I wrote about how I stumbled into genealogy and listed free sources for family history books. http://tinyurl.com/bcx476n.
Here are a few of my people I found in family history books. Anne Marbury Hutchinson, the religious troublemaker and my 10th GGM, is the only direct ancestor I recognize from American history books. My 9th GGM, Mary Barrett Dyer, was the only woman hanged in America for her religious beliefs. Another xth-GGM, whose name I forget, was thought to have died in her Atlantic crossing. Her husband prevailed upon the shipÂ’s captain to not throw her body overboard as they would reach America in a day or two. When they removed her body for burial, they discovered she was still alive and *voila!* you get me! Another xth-GGM was tomahawked by indians as a child in Kentucky. Obviously she survived and *voila!* me again.
This week, IÂ’ll write a little bit about how to extend your family tree back far enough to get into the family histories. For many of you, it will be easier than you think but may take some time.
The best way is to talk to your relatives. If you are lucky enough to have your parents or grandparents living, ask them about their parents and grandparents and their siblings. Try to find out the dates and places of birth, marriage and death. Who were the other children? What else can they tell you about their lives and the family lore? If they immigrated, try to find out when, where (to and from), how and why. Let them know what youÂ’re up to; they may well have family records stored away. Talk to your siblings and cousins. They may have been given family materials or have done their own research. Older siblings in particular may know more about your closer ancestors.
One of the goals is to have as much data as possible when you go skipping off to look at census records and other government documents. The recently released 1940 census is fully indexed and searchable at FamilySearch.org and HeritageQuestOnline.com. Baby BoomersÂ’ parents should be listed with their parents. I usually use FamilySearch, but Heritage has images of some census records that FamilySearch mysteriously lacks (use HeritageÂ’s census browse function with the census location data available at FamilySearch).
You can work backward through the censuses as far as possible. (The 1890 and parts of the 1800 and 1810 censuses have been lost or destroyed). Maiden names can often be found in marriage and death records as well as childrenÂ’s birth records at FamilySearch. Other sources are the user-submitted family trees at FamilySearch and the free portion of ancestry.com. http://tinyurl.com/5q4g62 These trees can be unreliable.
The farther back you can go, the better chance you have of finding a history of a relevant family. I think the nearest relative I found is a great-grandfather who was born in 1850. So, armed with family names, go to the book sections at FamilySearch, HeritageQuest and Archive.com and search away!
Next week, IÂ’ll write a little more about my favorite site for finding connections to notable people, George Larson IIÂ’s An Extended Family. http://tinyurl.com/bqpwh88 . IÂ’ve read some good books recommended here because they involved ancestors or cousins.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 19, 2013 07:19 AM (h+OzC)
If they write female protags the way movies portray them, (a man with female body parts), then I can understand why.
I usually feel the same way, but I recently read a series by Lindsay Buroker called The Emperor's Edge with a woman protagonist that I actually liked. Sometimes the woman protag is an overly macho PITA that wouldn't even be attractive in a male.
Posted by: Tunafish at May 19, 2013 07:21 AM (oA9th)
OTOH, I read this other crime drama, In for a Rubble, about a fmr Russian zek, that's Gulag inmate, who ended up in the KGB, and subsequently became an information broker, of sorts, a Russian Marlowe who ends up running into his old boss, and his exwife, in the course of the tale,
Posted by: cornelius, waiting for the Cobalt bomb at May 19, 2013 07:22 AM (Jsiw/)
Posted by: Darth Axelrod at May 19, 2013 07:22 AM (MMC8r)
Recently read and enjoyed "The Martian". Went out to Amazon to maybe post a review and discovered that not only had about 1400 people beat me to the punch, but that it had been picked up by a publishing house and is no longer available until said publishing house gets done pushing it around.
Currently reading "The Impossible State" by Victor Cha, about North Korea. Most of the 1-star reviews complained that he spent a lot of time talking about the Bush administration's actions with respect to North Korea; natual, since Cha was part of Bush's North Korea team. Since I've long been curious about what Bush was up to, that only piqued my interest. I'm still in the early portion of the book, talking about Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il and enjoying it so far. Didn't know that Kim Jong-Il's *real* name is Yuri Irsunovitch Kim, having been born in the Soviet Union.
Also recently re-read "The Long Dark Teatime Of the Soul", the second of Douglas Adams' Dirk Gently novels. Re-enjoyed it, of course.
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Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 19, 2013 07:26 AM (PH+2B)
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Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 11:12 AM (53z96)
My experience also.
I'm trying to introduce Clavell to my wife. I got her Tai Pan for her trip to Hong Kong, but she didn't read it.
It's time to reread him, starting with Shogun!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 07:33 AM (O6Tmi)
Tables, scrawls and diagrams. A collection of notes penned by writers including James Salter and J.K. Rowling are a fascinating look at how authors plan out their novels.
DailyMail
http://tinyurl.com/a7weojl
Interesting to see how writers plan out the overall structure of a book.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2013 07:34 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 19, 2013 07:36 AM (NcPjb)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread, Low Level Superhero at May 19, 2013 07:37 AM (5J54Q)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 11:33 AM (O6Tmi)
I have all of his books and the only one I found wanting was King Rat. I struggled through it, but it is one I will not re-read.
I kind of got the idea that he did not like Americans even though he became a naturalized American citizen.
Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 07:38 AM (53z96)
Posted by: najdorf at May 19, 2013 07:39 AM (Pxhwp)
Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 07:40 AM (53z96)
http://spacecaptainsmith.com/
This is comedic SF. Smith is a stiff-upper-lip public-school-boy; now in command of a ship.
It's amateurish and obvious, like Spaceballs or the old Space Quest games, relying too much on direct pop-culture references. That shit gets dated. Mocking the tropes of SF is one thing; sending readers on an easter-egg hunt is another.
On the other hand, the main characters are pretty well drawn. Smith is hilarious as an uptight and slightly racist imperialist of the old school. To him, almost everyone else is "foreign", except for his friends who are, um, aliens and androids. No, he hasn't the self-awareness to figure this out. But he has a good heart underneath all that fuddy-duddy bluster.
I also liked that when they go to Planet Louisiana, or whatever it's called in the book, the author doesn't go off on a wholesale anti-American / anti-South tirade. This is extremely fucking rare in the SF authors' community, especially comic SF. So that aspect alone wins points from me.
I encourage Frost to write more books and get more into practice. The man has potential.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 07:41 AM (QTHTd)
Finally, the author discusses how we could live underground in the event of a megavolcano or gamma ray burst, without ever discussing how we would repopulate the biosphere. She seems to think we will grow crops underground, without really addressing what will provide the energy to generate the light they need. She does say we need to move to solar and wind energy generation, without talking at all about the limitations of those forms.
Long story short, this was a potentially interesting topic, but badly mishandled by a technically ignorant ideologue. Pity.
Posted by: pep at May 19, 2013 07:41 AM (6TB1Z)
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Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 19, 2013 07:44 AM (jucos)
Recently read:
Treasures of Taliesin: Seventy-seven Unbuilt Designs
by Bruce Brooks Pfeiffer
Projects of architect Frank Lloyd Wright that never made it to the starting line. Includes sketches and history of each building. Especially of note is the section on Wright's proposed Mile High skyscraper.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2013 07:46 AM (kdS6q)
The first was by Leigh Brackett. When Mars was still viable as a planet with life and civilization. Purple Priestess of the Mad Moon. Earthman gets in over his head with Martians.
Second was a short little magic story by Damon Knight called Maid to Measure where a young girl annoyed at her boyfriend transforms herself via potion into a bikini that her swain's other girlfriend then wears to go swimming.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 07:48 AM (zxYv0)
Posted by: Staff at May 19, 2013 07:49 AM (ZR4Xh)
Agreed.
The first two are the best. After Tai Pan I lost interest.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 07:49 AM (O6Tmi)
One was Levy-Rubin, "The Continuatio of the Samaritan Chronicle". This is the Samaritans' own account about life under Caliph al-Mansur (754-775 AD) and afterward. I don't think I'm spoiling anything when I say that the Abbasid empire gave the dhimmis a long hard shaft.
Unfortunately I wanted to know about the Umayyad period, and there the Samaritans left me SOL. They thought that Muhammad was an improvement over the Byzantines, and that the Umayyads were fine. So they didn't report much of anything from the 640s-740s. This much they appear to share with the Jews, who also kept quiet during that period.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 07:50 AM (QTHTd)
28 I'm so deep into the dead ends in my tree I've almost maxed out the various resources like usgenweb and other more localized sites. I'm pretty much at the personally-going-to-courthouses stage.
Never tried heritagequest though, but seem to have issues accessing it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 19, 2013 11:36 AM (NcPjb)
I'm about at the going to the courthouse stage myself although several of my roadblocks exist because courthouses have burned down. Most of my road blocks are on the east coast which is slightly inconvenient.
To access HeritageQuestOnline.com, you need to have a library card from a subscribing library. I'm not sure if you have to access it through your library's website.
I thought I would compile as much as possible before using Ancestry's free trial, but I'm sure I have at least two weeks of search topics. I can also access Ancestry.com through my library, but I have to be at the library to use it.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 19, 2013 07:52 AM (h+OzC)
Anything that Bernard Lewis wrote will be worthwhile.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 07:54 AM (O6Tmi)
Posted by: Staff at May 19, 2013 07:54 AM (ZR4Xh)
Anyway I'm finally to chapter 50 (that's what L is in roman numerals, no?) where he approaches things from the Arab point of view. He gives a fairly romantic Lawrence of Arabia view of them but where he's losing me is when he talks about Mo the Pederast (piss all over him) and how the Christians have been so meeeean to him. Too bad, Ed, but you're just another dhimmi turd when it comes to that horseshit and it's pretty much completely fucked your country over.
Have any morons read "An Army at Dawn: The War in North Africa 1942-1943" by Rick Atkinson? The WSJ gave a glowing review of his last book of a trilogy, of which this is the first, about the US war experience in Europe that got me interested in this.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2013 07:55 AM (4Qw8K)
The Ancestry.com 2 week free trial is worth it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch
For the thrifty, many public library have free access to Ancestry.com. For the Los Angeles Public Library system, it available only while at an actual branch, but free is free.
The LAPL does however offer free access to Heritagequest.com from their webpage. Check under "Research and Homework".
Libraries often have similar access to additional specialized databases. Check around your system's webpage or ask a reference librarian.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2013 07:57 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 19, 2013 07:58 AM (XIxXP)
It's been a few years, but I read it and enjoyed it immensely. If you can get past Atkinson's affiliation with WaPo, you'll like it too.
Posted by: pep at May 19, 2013 08:01 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: and irresolute at May 19, 2013 08:01 AM (DBH1h)
It's much like the essays in parts 3-6 of Ibn Warraq's "What the Koran Really Says"; some test-cases in fact respond to some of those essays. I think that Reynolds ties it together better than did Ibn Warraq.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 08:01 AM (QTHTd)
I was fortunate to have a bunch of relatives who have already done my family tree. When I went to my first big family reunion, I had the great honor of adding my little family's stats to the tree, which was printed out on a J-sized engineering sheet of paper (14 ft by 36 in).
Naturally, as a Moron, my first thought was, "Gee, my relatives sure do enjoy sex..."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 19, 2013 08:02 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: real joe, NY moron at May 19, 2013 08:03 AM (PD2ad)
Posted by: Staff at May 19, 2013 08:04 AM (ZR4Xh)
Posted by: Tuna at May 19, 2013 08:05 AM (M/TDA)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 19, 2013 08:10 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2013 08:11 AM (4Qw8K)
Posted by: Staff at May 19, 2013 08:11 AM (ZR4Xh)
I'm poised to start on Vince Flynn's American Assassin that I picked up in a local Goodwill store for the low, low price of $2.00 in hardback.
They had a good selection of books, all at that price. I highly recommend GW.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 19, 2013 08:11 AM (+z4pE)
Carrion Comfort by Dan Simmons was as superb as I remembered it. Vivid characters, lots of action, world-spanning plot.
The Holcroft Covenant by Robert Ludlum was as wonderfully awful as I remembered it. I had forgotten about his egregious overuse of the passive voice, but I had not forgotten the hysterically overwrought writing exemplified by passages like this:
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The rapid cracks of his own footsteps on the pavement frightened him. It was the sound of a man running in panic in the middle of the night, and that man in panic was himself.
Footsteps. Racing footsteps. They were his, but more than his! Behind him, steady, heavy, gaining on him. There was someone running after him! Someone running in silence, not calling his name, not demanding that he stop!...Or was his hearing playing tricks on him? The hammering in his chest vibrated throughout his entire body; were his footsteps echoing in his ears? He dared not turn, could not turn. He was going too fast--into light, into shadow.
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Posted by: Splunge at May 19, 2013 08:12 AM (bKA83)
Another good source for census records is archive.org. They have pdfs of most of the censuses, segmented by year, state and set of counties. They are usually big files, 100s of mb each. However, if you're expecting to spend a lot of time looking at one area, being able to just read the book or compare documents in separate windows can be very useful. The interface at ancestry can often get in the way.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2013 08:13 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Captain Hate
It's on my list, but I haven't paid much attention to it yet. I will definitely read it, though.
Posted by: pep at May 19, 2013 08:14 AM (6TB1Z)
I've read a grand total of one Ludlum book, largely because I liked the Bourne movies. I remember thinking "I cannot believe someone publishes something this bad".
Posted by: pep at May 19, 2013 08:15 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 19, 2013 11:44 AM (jucos)
I have no doubt about it. The MFM had a little lovers spat with Barry but even AP by the end of the week was running North Korean level propaganda for him again
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 19, 2013 08:16 AM (mNAXD)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 19, 2013 08:17 AM (GVxQo)
I remember sitting on the beach at Ocean City Maryland in the early 80s reading a Ludlum book that was roughly contemporary, when I thought "everything in this is implausible crap that I'm expected to buy into. Life is too short to spend it reading garbage so this is the end of opening anything by him."
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2013 08:18 AM (4Qw8K)
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Tom Cruise, of course!
Only fly in the ointment, of course, is that his shit don't stink. He'd have to do some actual acting.
Posted by: The Hollywood Blockbuster Machine! at May 19, 2013 08:19 AM (U82Km)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at May 19, 2013 08:21 AM (fzFF6)
I don't recommend Lumley, by the way. "Hero of Dreams" is Lovecraft fanfic, with his Mary-Sues roaming the same landscape. Go ahead and write this shit if it gets your rocks off, but don't make me pay for it.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 08:22 AM (QTHTd)
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Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2013 08:27 AM (4Qw8K)
Posted by: Staff at May 19, 2013 08:27 AM (ZR4Xh)
Posted by: Tuna at May 19, 2013 08:27 AM (M/TDA)
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Posted by: Thunderb at May 19, 2013 08:29 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 11:49 AM (O6Tmi)
After Shogun my next favorite was Noble House.
Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 08:30 AM (53z96)
Posted by: eman at May 19, 2013 08:31 AM (cQ4xo)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 08:31 AM (QTHTd)
It's one of my favorites. And features a knock-out performance by George fucking Segal of all people.
"King Rat" is one of those books where the tone is crucial and it's much better caught by the movie.
Posted by: Staff at May 19, 2013 11:54 AM (ZR4Xh)
I think I have but it has been long ago.
Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 08:32 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Tuna at May 19, 2013 08:33 AM (M/TDA)
"I finally got through the last part of Gibbon talking about the Roman Empire post Charlemagne, which was pretty confusing as a series of weak leaders pretty much fucked things up and led to things getting split up. Maybe his contemporaries had a better idea of just what the fuck was going on then but it was pretty confusing to me."
That's why they called it "The Dark Ages" - we know diddly about it since people forgot how to write. The bigger questions about the Dark Ages are how communications and trade fell apart - politics sits on top of economics - that was one insight of Karl Marx that was on the money - so to speak.
"The Little Book of Secret Societies" that I picked up on the remainder table at B&N was a wash.
The good news is that it told the reader that the DEPOSIT for membership at Bohemian Grove is $25k with a 15 waiting list and a $5k annual dues.
The bad news is not a word on E Clampus Vitus. Everyone in California knows an alcoholic Clamper!
There are a few gems in the book, like how to join Bilderberg - "Make a billion dollars, get elected to high office, or make friends with a member of the steering committee."
Another is how to join the Molly Maguires - "Frequent bars in a a company town where Irish workers are subjected to 19th century labor conditions, pretend to be a member of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, and mention that you own a dress."
Posted by: Whitehall at May 19, 2013 08:33 AM (k876Y)
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I'm thinking more a series of films branching off from the Mission: Impossible movies. Watney's clearly a government agent, what with being a NASA astronaut and all, but the book doesn't clearly portray the tension between his overt role as an astronaut and his covert role as a spy working to sabotage potential Chinese Mars landing sites in Acidalia Planitia.
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Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 19, 2013 12:02 PM (+z4pE)
No kidding. I think one of my ancestors had 11 kids by his first wife and 9 more by the second. Small communities, large families and common migration paths led to many 3rd and 4th cousin marriages, sometimes closer. Some neighboring families intermarried for generation after generation. All of these factors lead to the conclusion that our pool of ancestors is smaller than people think and make it more likely that many Morons are related.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 19, 2013 08:38 AM (h+OzC)
Over out East, people remembered, but didn't bother. The Greeks figured that all the news was depressing. Where's the glory in putting up a big monument to "woohoo! we lost everything from Spain to Armenia and we'll NEVER get it back!"
The Jews and Samaritans hunkered down and the Zoroastrians were busily getting killed. The Arabs rewrote their past, so whatever they were writing then, they burned later. The only people doing any scribal work were, it seems, Syrian Christians - maybe some Copts.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 08:40 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: matt in maine at May 19, 2013 08:41 AM (dcLM4)
Posted by: Staff at May 19, 2013 08:42 AM (ZR4Xh)
We English have Saint Bede, who was great. I suspect that we'd have a lot more from England if it weren't for the Vikings burning everything down.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 08:43 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 19, 2013 08:43 AM (nH8jP)
Thanks for putting it in the proper context. Was the term "Dark Ages" used during Gibbon's time or arrived at subsequently? Of course he may have assumed that a contemporary reader would know the context.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2013 08:43 AM (4Qw8K)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 08:46 AM (QTHTd)
96 Posted by: matt in maine at May 19, 2013 12:41 PM (dcLM4)
Matt, thanks for the feedback. For better or for worse, mostly for better, the amount of genealogical information available on the internet is incredible.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 19, 2013 08:47 AM (h+OzC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_%28historiography%29
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 08:47 AM (QTHTd)
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Posted by: Tuna at May 19, 2013 08:48 AM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2013 08:48 AM (4Qw8K)
The 2012 Nebula Awards were presented May 18. The Nebulas are given by the SFWA and have traditionally been considered, at least by themselves, the more high-faulting "writer's" award as compare to the pleb Hugos.
Novel
Winner
2312, Kim Stanley Robinson (Orbit US; Orbit UK)
Losers
Throne of the Crescent Moon, Saladin Ahmed (DAW; Gollancz Â’13)
Ironskin, Tina Connolly (Tor)
The Killing Moon, N.K. Jemisin (Orbit US; Orbit UK)
The Drowning Girl, CaitlÃn R. Kiernan (Roc)
Glamour in Glass, Mary Robinette Kowal (Tor)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2013 08:49 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Staff at May 19, 2013 08:50 AM (ZR4Xh)
and make it more likely that many Morons are related.
Posted by: Nash Rambler
Perhaps "inbred" would be closer to the mark....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2013 08:52 AM (kdS6q)
What actually happened was the Roman empire fragmented into a series of small city-states and communication between them was not so good.
Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 08:53 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Tuna at May 19, 2013 08:56 AM (M/TDA)
Also given at the Nebulas just to prove what an elitist clad of self-congratulatory goits writers can be:
Ray Bradbury Award for Outstanding Dramatic Presentation
Winner
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Losers
The Avengers
The Cabin in the Woods
The Hunger Games
John Carter
Looper
Watch a commercial movie? Moi?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2013 08:56 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Nash Rambler
Perhaps "inbred" would be closer to the mark....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2013 12:52 PM (kdS6q)
From "kindred souls" to kin...
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2013 08:56 AM (4Qw8K)
Posted by: matt in maine at May 19, 2013 08:57 AM (dcLM4)
They were agreeing on that "late antiquity" bullshit... in the 1990s. Peter Heather, Bryan Ward-Perkins and others have raised the point that, yeah, life did start to suck when power went from the Empire to local German bandits.
Then there's that revival of the Pirenne hypothesis, that the Greek-Persian war began a cascade of Fail over first the eastern Med, then all of it. But admittedly it's still mostly just "counter jihad" essayists saying this now.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2013 09:00 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: .87c at May 19, 2013 09:00 AM (hOjmu)
Posted by: Tuna at May 19, 2013 09:03 AM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 19, 2013 09:04 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 09:07 AM (zxYv0)
13-Last week, I wrote about how I stumbled into genealogy and listed free sources for family history books. http://tinyurl.com/bcx476n.
Nash, a great resource for anyone, not just members, are the LDS family history centers. They have folks to assist in doing research to include requesting microfiche for various documents and access to the genealogy resources from SLC. They have massive collections of documents from around the world and family books too.
Posted by: fastfreefall at May 19, 2013 09:08 AM (S/Joz)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 09:09 AM (zxYv0)
here's a short article that goes into what you're discussing and why people find common ancestors many, many generations back
http://tinyurl.com/beq788l
Posted by: JHW at May 19, 2013 09:10 AM (B38OD)
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 19, 2013 12:47 PM (h+OzC)
Just checked....apparently you are related to Michelle Obama.
Care to change that evaluation to: "catastrophically awful?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 09:10 AM (O6Tmi)
Posted by: matt in maine at May 19, 2013 12:57 PM (dcLM4)
Man, that is some small print. Coincidently, the New England Historic Genealogical Society's weekly newsletter just had a link to the Chang study. http://tinyurl.com/cg6ksfu
On the one hand, I think it does take some of the thrill out of genealogical research, but it may also encourage people who wish to see where their family tree leads.
Duty calls. I have an appointment to go drink bottomless mimosas.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 19, 2013 09:11 AM (h+OzC)
124 Just checked....apparently you are related to Michelle Obama.
Care to change that evaluation to: "catastrophically awful?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 01:10 PM (O6Tmi)
I have not found my link to Michelle, but I have two lines to the JEF.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 19, 2013 09:14 AM (h+OzC)
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at May 19, 2013 09:21 AM (wfSF5)
Posted by: Ray Bradbury (seriously cheesed) at May 19, 2013 09:27 AM (ZR4Xh)
Posted by: microcosme at May 19, 2013 09:31 AM (0dTjV)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 01:07 PM (zxYv0)
I hadn't thought of that connection, mainly because it's about a person who is dying rather than transporting a dead body (which really starts to reek after a while), but they do share the situation about too much water causing problems. I enjoyed the movie a great deal, mainly that it really was like nothing I'd seen previously. Just a quirky story about this weird community.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2013 09:40 AM (4Qw8K)
Posted by: mitch at May 19, 2013 09:45 AM (yY/3g)
I watched Mclaughlin just now (don't ask me why). Eleanor and this fat son of a bitch I never heard of dismissed everything about IRS as no big deal. Then fat left wing pile of shit tells us Obama is a good manager of things. These people are like fucking cancer.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at May 19, 2013 09:51 AM (8cOY0)
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Just remember, "irrelevant" is a fancy word that means "what difference, at this point, does it make?"
Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at May 19, 2013 09:56 AM (U82Km)
Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 10:02 AM (53z96)
Also, read Raymond Fiore's books and they're good, the only complaint I have is "Wings Over the Pacific" seems unfinished somehow.
On the Kindle right now: The Last Pendragon by Holly Chism, if you like Aurthurian tales this one is worth your while.
"The Privateer" by William Zellman, followup is "An Honest Living", both of them are sci-fi. Not bad.
"Inception" by Andrew Beery, a Horatio Hornblower sort of space opera. Meh, I could take it or leave it, my biggest complaint is that the protagonist is too perfect, she seems to make the right decision every time.
"The Makers" by Daniel Cohen, first contact sort of book, probably won't invest in the rest of the series because it just didn't interest me, YMMV.
"The Man who Would Be King" by Rudyard Kipling. It's Kipling, nuff said.
Two authors I have loaded up right now (haven't read the books yet, so can't say how they are), Forever Gate by Isaac Hooke and "Alastair" by Scott McElhaney, I also have the follow-on to "Alastair" called "Ghosts of Ophidian" and a five book set by the same author, the Mystic Saga. I'll let you know how they go.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 19, 2013 10:05 AM (yh0zB)
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