July 07, 2013


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Good morning morons and moronettes and welcome to the the award-winning AoSHQ's Sunday Morning Book Thread.


Jack Reacher Questions

OK, so Mrs. Muse and I watched the movie adaptation last night. I had low expectations for it, but I have to admit, all things considered, it was competently done. But I have no idea how much it does or doesn't line up with the books, since I've never read any of them. So, my questions are:

1) Is Tom Cruise a believable Jack Reacher? I know he's a lot smaller than the Jack Reacher of the novels, but did he manage make it work? Cruise does not have a physically intimidating screen presence. Sandy's "brothers" all thought, yeah, I can take this guy, and were then unpleasantly surprised. I can't imagine any bad guy in the novels thinking this.

2) The movie bad guy ultimately turned out to be (wait for it) a large corporation. Really? I see this so often in movies, it's just so boring. But is that true to the book? I remember what they did to Clancy's novel Sum of All Fears where the Arab terrorists were, for no reason I can discern, turned into the left's other favorite bad guys, American Neo-Nazis. Much to the detriment of the movie, I might add. So I'm wondering if something like that happened here.

[Update]: Apparently, the appropriate moron question is not whether Tom cruise is a credible Jack Reacher. Commenter perdogg gets to the heart of the matter:

45 I actually thought the movie was good. The question I have is does Rosamund Pike ever wear a bra in the movie.
Posted by: perdogg at July 07, 2013 11:26 AM (ziD3M)

A fair point. Mrs. Muse and I both noticed some parts of the movie where the scene was dominated not by Jack Reacher's menacing presence, but by Ms. Pike's ginormous hooters. (please note that I resisted the obvious "Pike's peaks" joke)


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"Honey, I think I Left My Curling Iron Plugged In!"*


*Mrs. Muse does this to me every time we go someplace, and it drives me nuts.


Books By Morons

The sixth chapter of the book of Genesis contains the following curious verse:

Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

"Giants" is a translation of the word "", and some versions don't even bother translating it in that verse, like the ESV, whch reads "The were on the earth in those days, and also afterward..." So who were these guys and what were they doing? Depending, of course, on how you interpret "sons of God", it could be that they're some sort of angelic/human hybrid, but how is that even possible? As you might guess, there's plenty of opportunity for speculation here, which gives storytellers like infrequent moron commenter and author 'Doctor Cynic' lots of room to work. He has just released the Kindle version of his book-of-Genesis-meets-epic-fantasy novel Antediluvian with dead-tree edition to follow. The storyline is that a huge, dinosaur-like beast, called a leviathan, has crawled out of a sea inlet and made its way upriver and is threatening livestock and people in the surrounding villages. It seems that nobody can beat this fearsome creature, yet something has to be done, so it falls on a young farmer named Noah (yeah, that Noah) to find a way to either kill it or drive it back into the sea. He enlists the aid of the , and then things get complicated, both for him and also for the entire human race. The Amazon blurb contains a surprisingly large number of plot points and outright spoilers, so I need to stop here.

I greatly enjoyed screenwriter Brian Godawa's movie To End All Wars of a few years back, and while poking around on this '' topic, I discovered that has a series of 'antediluvian' novels of his own, whch he calls The Chronicles of the :

Noah Primeval
Enoch Primordial
Gilgamesh Immortal
Abraham Allegiant

Pedants who point out that the last two books take place after the Flood, and therefore should more properly be called 'postdiluvian', are obviously racists.

I'm guessing there's probably a metric boatload of novels by other authors in this genre. Like vampire or zombie novels, the ideas and characters and storylines that could be mined from the available material is potentially inexhaustible.

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Moron commenter 'J.D. Nock' has just released More Than Mischief (The Hurley Vance Series: Book One) on Smashwords, and as the title says, it's the first of a series (Nock is nearing completion of the first draft of the second book). He describes it as

...a dystopian novel written from the libertarian/conservative perspective, and it is intended for a “new adult” audience. My hope is that this story will serve as an unapologetic and entertaining way to carry a message. And to bring this message to an audience otherwise indifferent to issues concerning the State.

And for the next week, it will be available for FREE at Smashwords. All you need need to do is input the coupon code "SW100" at rhe checkout. There are a number of formats available, pdf, epub, mobi, etc.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, rumors, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'g'-mail, dot you-know-what.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as we all know, life is too short to read lousy books.

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Still reading the series by John Ringo “Legacy of the Aldenata”. Next up will be 1491 which was recommended here by one of the Morons. .

Posted by: Vic at July 07, 2013 06:50 AM (lZvxr)

2 I remember what they did to Clancy's novel Sum of All Fears where the Arab terrorists were, for no reason I can discern, turned into the left's other favorite bad guys, American Neo-Nazis. Much to the detriment of the movie, I might add. So I'm wondering if something like that happened here



That was the worst butchering of a good book I have ever seen.

Posted by: Vic at July 07, 2013 06:52 AM (lZvxr)

3 What have you all been reading this week

Two things: I picked up a copy of Alonzo Rachel's book "Weapon of ASS Destrruction." Definitely a good bit of reading and as entertaining as his monologues on YouTube.

And from a link I followed on this site, I grabbed a sample of "Worthless: The Young Person's Indispensable Guide to Choosing the Right Major." Might have to get a copy of it to some children of a friend of mine before they graduate high school.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 07, 2013 06:53 AM (U+O64)

4 Tom Cruise is not even an unbelievable Jack Reacher

Posted by: NCwoof at July 07, 2013 06:55 AM (aUQgu)

5 Tom Cruise is Jack Reacharounder.

Posted by: eman at July 07, 2013 06:57 AM (AO9UG)

6 Rereading 'Debt of Honor' by Clancy. Just because it was at the pool.

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:00 AM (Pspqd)

7 That was the worst butchering of a good book I have ever seen.

Posted by: Vic at July 07, 2013 10:52 AM (lZvxr)



Sounds like they turned it into a Law and Order episode.



Progress in readings this week:  In Gibbon he's concentrating on the Mooooooslim gains in Syria, Egypt (shockingly concurrent) and Africa after the death of Mo the Pederast (Golden Showers be Unto Him).  Gibbon would be comfortable in the MFM as he blames Christians for everything that fucks up and has a major hardon for the religion of pieces (to the point where the updated footnotes ridicule him for being so clueless).  Speaking of clueless, the landings in "An Army at Dawn:  The War in North Africa 1942-1943" were so poorly executed that it was a good thing that it was the Vichy French they were going up against otherwise it would've been a major clusterfuck.  That's not to impugn the poor men who made the best of a very shitty situation.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 07, 2013 07:02 AM (2wlrf)

8 F1 race in Germany today, so it's live and during waking hours our time.

Let's see if NBCSN can manage to not fuck up the coverage this week.

Posted by: Methos at July 07, 2013 07:02 AM (hO9ad)

9

Oh book thread.

I've been trying to read more before I go to bed, to calm the nerves as it were.

I've picked back up "The House of God" by Samuel Shem which I had stopped half way through due to time constraints.

Posted by: tsrblke at July 07, 2013 07:03 AM (GaqMa)

10 Re-reading Lee Smith's "The Strong Horse: Power, Politics, and the Clash of Arab Civilizations" ---does a nice job of explaining the ME.

Posted by: Farpost at July 07, 2013 07:04 AM (c+HuI)

11 That was the worst butchering of a good book I have ever seen.

The Author/Director commentary still makes me chuckle. The Director introduces himself, then:
Clancy: I'm the guy that wrote the book they ignored when making this movie.

Posted by: Methos at July 07, 2013 07:05 AM (hO9ad)

12 I read "The Remaining: Fractured", book number four in a very good Zombie series.

Posted by: eman at July 07, 2013 07:05 AM (AO9UG)

13 The Author/Director commentary still makes me chuckle. The Director introduces himself, then: Clancy: I'm the guy that wrote the book they ignored when making this movie. Posted by: Methos at July 07, 2013 11:05 AM (hO9ad) Seriously? That's awesome. Not only did the F up the enemies but Affleck as Ryan? No no no no.

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:06 AM (Pspqd)

14 You know who could play a believable Reacher? Mike Rowe from 'Dirty Jobs'.

Posted by: Totally not Mike Rowe at July 07, 2013 07:07 AM (HAmad)

15 World War Z Spoiler Alert:














Speaking of book adaptations, I saw the movie version with Brad Pitt.  One thing I wanted to point out.  The zombies overrun Jerusalem, and thus Israel, in the movie.  This DID NOT happen in the book!  Just as they set it up in the movie, they were ready because they watched the signs.  And managed to close off the country, and kept it that way for the duration of the war. 

And yet they changed it in the movie.  Funny, that. 

Posted by: BurtTC at July 07, 2013 07:07 AM (BeSEI)

16 The literary Jack Reacher is a different screen presence than Cruise is capable of.  That said Cruise did well enough at the role.  In the written version of the story "Sandy's Brothers" still happily got their asses handed to them by Reacher.

I think Cruise's most menacing role was as "Vincent" in the film "Collateral."

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 07:08 AM (LRFds)

17 Re: movie-fying Jack Reacher....

Now that the Lee Child books are hitting the transfer station's book barn (thus: free) I've read a few. Good books and, at least to me, largely free of politicizing, sermonizing and other "izings" that kill recreational books.

I wouldn't expect a movie version in this day and age to happen without changing the villains into politically-correct types. It's too easy for the studios to throw in a semi-recognizable nasty to score points with their liberal buddyroos, especially when most of Child's baddies are not much more than twisted thugs.

Tom Cruise? Jeebus. "Reacher" is the kind of guy you might knock back a brewski or two with, but not ever want to cross. Tom Cruise is the kind of guy you want to beat the shit out of on sight, mainly worrying that he might bite you on the knee.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2013 07:08 AM (/RIVS)

18 Clancy: I'm the guy that wrote the book they ignored when making this movie.

Posted by: Methos at July 07, 2013 11:05 AM (hO9ad)



Guys like Clancy should be big enough in the biz that they could exercise some sort of presence on the set to keep the fucking movie from going off the rails.  I swear if I wrote a book that was destroyed by some hack scriptwriter, I'd choke at least one bitch before being hauled off.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 07, 2013 07:10 AM (2wlrf)

19 Just finished "Destroyermen" on Kindle.  Meh.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 07, 2013 07:10 AM (qIFL7)

20 Sorry, I don't have any comments regarding other books.  All my reading these days is not for pleasure. 

Except here, of course. 

Posted by: BurtTC at July 07, 2013 07:10 AM (BeSEI)

21 I'm a big fan of both Lee Child (Jack Reacher) and Harlan Coben (Myron Bolitar). I agree with the predominant opinion that Cruise was miscast as Jack Reacher, but would genuinely love to see him someday cast as Bolitar's wonderfully satisfying billionaire post-yuppie sidekick(?), Windsor Horne-Lockwood. FWIW.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at July 07, 2013 07:11 AM (0duDc)

22 Speaking of book adaptations, I saw the movie version with Brad Pitt. One thing I wanted to point out. The zombies overrun Jerusalem, and thus Israel, in the movie. This DID NOT happen in the book! Just as they set it up in the movie, they were ready because they watched the signs. And managed to close off the country, and kept it that way for the duration of the war. And yet they changed it in the movie. Funny, that. Posted by: BurtTC at July 07, 2013 11:07 AM (BeSEI) Actually that bit was pro-Israel, too. The zombies got in when the Israelis let down their guard for just a short time.

Posted by: eman at July 07, 2013 07:11 AM (AO9UG)

23

I sat in a 100-degree car to hear the end of the radio interview about how this guy escaped from a Messican prison with the help of a woman he met on visiting day (and she was there to visit someone else).  This guy is said to be only the second prisoner to escape.  The first was Pancho Villa in 1912.

 

Has anybody else read it?

 

http://dwightworker.com/escape/

Posted by: RushBabe at July 07, 2013 07:12 AM (oknl8)

24 Terry Pratchett and Stephen Baxter: "The Long Earth".

Terry Pratchett back in 2007 was diagnosed with some sort of degenerative neural thing, akin to Alzheimers. He is no longer able to write a full book himself. Here he's winding down the books he was going to write but didn't get a chance to. This one was something he was working on at the same time as "The Colour of Magic", but abandoned when TCoM turned out to be such a success.

Stephen Baxter meanwhile had written "The Pacific Mystery", a short-story in 2006, which is in the 26th Dozois collection for that year's best SF. That book featured a Nazi zeppelin from alt-1950, which went through parallel Earths.

This book is Baxter's book, not Pratchett's. The same damn zeppelin is in it going across the same alternate universes. Yo Baxter, did you think no-one would notice?

Also I read through 80% of the book and didn't see anything resembling a plot crop up; it's just a bunch of stuff that happens.

Oh yeah, and the good-guys are nuns who hate "Republicans" (it's that unsubtle), the bad guys are failed commercial interests who are playing to a heartland American crowd, hippie = ethical, . . . .

Stephen Baxter has pissed me off with this lazy and clumsy attempt to grab Pratchett's fan-base. What a ghoul.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 07:12 AM (nt30N)

25 I read several of the Jack Reacher books.  Did not care for them at all, even less than Cussler's drek. 

Reacher was cartoonish: 6'-4" and afraid of nobody on earth. 

The ignorance of all things military was unbearable.  Did you know Fort Dix was a Marine Corps facility?  Or that an officer in the US Army never has do to his own laundry?

Posted by: another fapping moron what got shot down by an 'ette at July 07, 2013 07:12 AM (EV3Uf)

26 I was pleasantly surprised by Jack Reacher too. Go figure, Cruise can occasionally make a good movie. Not sure about the books though...

Posted by: Evil Blogger Lady at July 07, 2013 07:13 AM (UYjru)

27 Cruise was ok at best. I devoured all the Reacher books...cannot get enuf of "Good guy wins/Bad guy loses"...rare these days...

Posted by: getonwithit at July 07, 2013 07:13 AM (MbeEN)

28 The zombies got in when the Israelis let down their guard for just a short time.

It happens.

Posted by: Yom Kippur, 1973 at July 07, 2013 07:13 AM (nt30N)

29

I agree with the predominant opinion that Cruise was miscast as Jack Reacher, but would genuinely love to see him someday cast as Bolitar's wonderfully satisfying billionaire post-yuppie sidekick(?), Windsor Horne-Lockwood.

 

Oh, I always pictured Owen Wilson as the daffy/martial-arts master/pretty boy.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 07, 2013 07:14 AM (oknl8)

30 Re: Sum Of All Fears. I'd feel more sympathy for the way the studio butchered Clancy's book if Clancy himself actually cared about his own characters. The ghost writers he's hired to flesh out the Jack Ryan series over the past 20 years have been gawdawful.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 07, 2013 07:16 AM (MBqvE)

31 22 -

I guess you could see it that way.  I didn't. 

One could generously assume they wanted the visual spectacle of it, but it is telling that the one city we see overrun,  other than Philly at the beginning, was Jerusalem.  You could have had zombies climbing the Eiffel Tower, or  pulling down the leaning tower of Pisa, or any number of other things, but they didn't do that. 

Posted by: BurtTC at July 07, 2013 07:16 AM (BeSEI)

32 Appliflamaphobia: the fear that you have left a home appliance turned on while away on a long trip.

Posted by: tmitsss at July 07, 2013 07:16 AM (aVsJj)

33 Finished "The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister" by John O'Sullivan. Anyone alive in the late 70s into the 80s can figure out who were the title characters. A good review of the days when works leaders were capable of acting and moving the world in a better direction. Now working on "The Day the Earth Caved In", by Joan Quigley. which I picked up at the community yard sale yesterday and have been reading avidly ever since. It's the story of the residents of Centralia, PA and how the coped with the coal fire beneath their town which eventually caused it to be evacuated. The indifference and ham-handedness of local, state and national government officials to combat and alleviate the fire caused more stress and division among townspeople and families than did the fire itself. Too little, too late is a sure fire recipe for prolonging a problem for decades and government excels at it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/i][/b][/s] at July 07, 2013 07:16 AM (wXcOC)

34 Krebs v Carnot: have you read this one yet: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/06/18/the_great_backlash_1979

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 07:18 AM (nt30N)

35 Read all the Reacher books. Some are ...a little odd, but in all a good series. Cruz as Reacher??!? *points*laffs* Speaking of Heroes, I thoroughly enjoyed the Longmire series [books] by Craig Johnson. [the TV thing is meh -- horrible if you've read the books] Recommended unreservedly. Then I enjoyed the Charlie Moon series, [James Doss] recommended by some Moron here. [Thank You!] Re-recommended. Then I moved on to the Joe Pickett series [C.J. Box] Good stuff. Flawed Hero with a learning curve. Recommended. Now I'm seeking a new series: recommendations? [whaaa? I read for recreation and relief from the daily crappola and a series is Just The Ticket]

Posted by: Running Hobo at July 07, 2013 07:18 AM (l1oyw)

36 Lee Child is pretty much a lefty. If his bad guys aren't corporations then they are racist, right wing Americans or they are evil Republican politicians. BTW, Lee Child is from the UK.

Posted by: Jack at July 07, 2013 07:19 AM (gWHwW)

37 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 07, 2013 11:16 AM (MBqvE) Agreed. If it has Clancy along with another author on the cover it gets left on the shelf. Last good one was Rainbow Six.

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:19 AM (Pspqd)

38 Read "The Martian" by Andy Weir, and in the middle of "The Immortal" by Gene Doucette, both recommended here. The Martian was excellent, if slightly implausible. It felt real, though, and I enjoyed it very much. Enough so I recommended it to my sister the former astronaut candidate. Liking The Immortal, not quite what I expected, and not quite as good as I feel it could be, but still enjoying it. Also read Ex-Heroes, which someone recommended here last week. I liked it, but the authors occasional and unnecessary swipes at conservatives annoyed me and took me out of the book enough to bother me.

Posted by: kalel666 at July 07, 2013 07:21 AM (DgQHz)

39 I'm reading "Starvation Island" the first of Eric Hammel's Guadalcanal history trilogy. Next 2 are "The Carrier Battles" and "Decision at Sea" (that last is JUST on Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. Big thick book on 2 night battles. Must be a lot of detail!) This is in prep for my Guadalcanal campaign "real time" twitter accounts which will be running in synch with @RealTimeWW2 if you. 72 year offset so it won't be very active until next year.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at July 07, 2013 07:21 AM (5YUSx)

40 36 Jack,

Yup, and his knowledge of the US military is as encyclopedic as as Barack "Corpseman" Obama's...

Childs' use of villains belies his bent, but if one is willing to look past his boneheadedness you can still find an enjoyable read.

I far prefer the Parker series though, rest Stark's soul.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 07:23 AM (LRFds)

41 I've read every single Jack Reacher novel and I can assure you that the novels are much, much better than the movie-- Reacher in the books is 6'4" tall so there is that to compare with Cruise-- the fictional Reacher was one of the honchos in the elite 110th MP's so he had to be able to intimidate and handle his own against even Spec. Ops guys-- the books are going to get you hook, line and sinker-- highly recommended-- be aware that Reacher takes no prisoners and the action can be very gritty at times-- they're really good police procedural books too-- enjoy!

Posted by: tomc at July 07, 2013 07:24 AM (avEuh)

42 it could be that they're some sort of angelic/human hybrid

Yes, but which angels? I think it's unlikely the obedient ones came down to earth to party and literally fuck up Creation.

I've seen one interpretation that it was the wickedness of these children of fallen angels that necessitated the Flood, and that demons are not fallen angels but the earthbound spirits of the nephilim (combining the worst the fallen angels or humans are capable of). Their part humanness is thought to be what allows them to possess people (to the best of my knowledge, there are no instances of obedient angels possessing people). The discussion came up in context of a line in Revelation about the resurgence of wickedness not seen since the time of Noah, which this thinking suggests may indicate a rash of demonic possession.

I don't know, I'm just throwing it out there.

Posted by: Methos at July 07, 2013 07:24 AM (hO9ad)

43 Brits know American conservatives only from what the BBC allows them to see. The BBC paints that caricature to discredit conservatism at home. It's not about you, in short, it's about British politics.

And I do blame the Beeb. British newspapers are in a competitive market and they know they can't get away with the bigoted shit on the telly. That's why we often read decent coverage in the (left) Grauniad (outside the editorials).

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 07:24 AM (nt30N)

44 17 Now that the Lee Child books are hitting the transfer station's book barn (thus: free) I've read a few. Good books and, at least to me, largely free of politicizing, sermonizing and other "izings" that kill recreational books. -------------------------------------- Keep reading, and your opinion will be different: Lee Child can't resist throwing in any number of bullshit lefty-isms along the way. That said, Reacher is pretty readable.

Posted by: MTF at July 07, 2013 07:25 AM (+GpbP)

45 I actually thought the movie was good. The question I have is does Rosamund Pike ever wear a bra in the movie.

Posted by: perdogg at July 07, 2013 07:26 AM (ziD3M)

46 43 Boulder Toilet Hobo,

Conservatism in the UK is only allowed to go so far and no further.  That line is zealously defined and guarded form both the left and the "acceptable right."  It's the magic trick Frum tries here along with Krugman.

Sort of sad because you're either "socialist light" or drift quickly towards the hyper-nationalist party.

Libertarian bent such as we take for granted here is not a serious force there.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 07:27 AM (LRFds)

47 "Ante-heroes"? The prefix ante means "before", as in the term antebellum, meaning before the War of Northern Aggression. Methinks you mean "anti-heroes".

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 07, 2013 07:27 AM (tOkJB)

48 and Jack Reacher never, ever does his own laundry-- he just buys new clothes when his own wear out or become too dirty to wear-- he never carries luggage or bags of any kind when he travels-- no one ever knows where he is once he's out of the military--

Posted by: tomc at July 07, 2013 07:27 AM (avEuh)

49 Well, I meant to carry on with Miroslav Volf's Exclusion and Embrace. It is a look at how the Christian community handles 'otherness' with the Balkans as primary exemplar. I read it years ago in a course on Christian Hospitality. I also meant to read The Return of The Chaos Monsters and Other Backstories of the Bible by Gregory Mobley. It's OT narrative criticism that walks through all aspects of the text. But it's summer, I'm stressed and I went with the mind candy: Chasing The Ghost by Bob Mayer was OK. It was good enough to have me wanting to read more in the series because the main character is an intriguing study. Robin Allen's Poppy Markham Culinary Cop series. There's currently 3 books in the series on Kindle and they are light, fun mysteries with a little silliness tossed in. I'd hoped for recipes like with Diane Mott Davidson's stories but no such luck. Oh and I started Flannery O'Connor's Complete Short Stories. Found myself glancing over my shoulder when reading n public for fear someone might see the 'n-word' displayed prominently in about every 3 sentence of every page. My how times have changed!! Still and all, good stuff and I'm glad to be reading her at last.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at July 07, 2013 07:27 AM (fzFF6)

50 Just finished "The Beast In The Garden" by David Baron...out about 9 yrs. Seems 50%+ of the citizens of Boulder wouldn't mind becoming prey to a mountain lion....weird people.

Posted by: BignJames at July 07, 2013 07:27 AM (Sg0G/)

51 As for the Nephilim: yes, the book of Watchers (1 Enoch 1-36) has them as angelic/human hybrid. There's an open question about whether 1 Enoch 5-11ish was written before or after Genesis 6. There's certainly a lot of pre-Jewish material in there.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 07:27 AM (nt30N)

52 Comrade Arthur @ 39: Have you read Hornfischer's "Neptune's Inferno"?   It is about the naval portion of the Guadalcanal campaign.  More sailors than Marines died.  Steep learning curve for USN leadership.

Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 07:27 AM (EV3Uf)

53 Oregon, you and Andy the only guys that work the weekends? You all do a good job, thanks.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 07, 2013 07:28 AM (wR+pz)

54 Seems 50%+ of the citizens of Boulder wouldn't mind becoming prey to a mountain lion.

What a coincidence. I also wouldn't mind if half the people in this town were prey to a mountain lion

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 07:29 AM (nt30N)

55 I always thought Tom Cruise was some kind of a dwarf munchkin.

Posted by: Killerdog at July 07, 2013 07:29 AM (Oi60j)

56 47 "Ante-heroes"? The prefix ante means "before", as in the term antebellum, meaning before the War of Northern Aggression. Methinks you mean "anti-heroes". Sometimes you really do need to read the post.

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Undocumented Foreigner Anachronda at July 07, 2013 07:30 AM (U82Km)

57 34 Krebs v Carnot: have you read this one yet: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/06/18/the_great_backlash_1979 Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 11:18 AM (nt30N) bth: no, I hadn't, but after having read the first page, I will read it all later. Thanks for that! Getting our scrap metal out to the curb for recycling and a couple of yard tasks own me for the next few hours.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/i][/b][/s] at July 07, 2013 07:30 AM (fCw1i)

58 Agreed. If it has Clancy along with another author on the cover it gets left on the shelf. Last good one was Rainbow Six. Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 11:19 AM

Youse guys are much more tolerant of Clancy than I am. I read damn near everything he wrote until the "Tom Clancy's Op-Center" series of ghostwritten books started showing up, and found the early books fun reads, with descriptions of all kinds of Sooper-Sekret Shit to keep the would-be military geeks happy.

But I realized early on that "Jack Ryan" was simply too damned smart and sensitive (like "Spenser") to be real, and all of Clancy's windups were feel-good RINO situations. Russia declares war on us, and the war ends with a buddy-buddy handshake? I know that's how Choom Boy would handle it -- assuming we didn't surrender first -- but the notion that we lose a whole bunch of people and then Do The Honorable Thing and Live Happily Ever After with the Russkies, the Wily Japanese, Bomb-Tossing Ay-Rabs and God knows who else finally wore me out.

I won't deny I wish I had the skillz to do Clancy's act. Doesn't mean I like it, though, and I don't.

P.S. The only thing wrong with Coben's Myron Bolitar books is that there aren't enough of them. Myron and Win could teach Clancy's "heroes" a thing or two.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2013 07:31 AM (/RIVS)

59 55 KillerDog,

You know what role he'd be perfect for?  All kidding aside he's almost the exact physical dimensions of the average ww2 commando.  I could see him doing well at that type of role as well given his arrogance.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 07:32 AM (LRFds)

60 Oh, I always pictured Owen Wilson as the daffy/martial-arts master/pretty boy.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 07, 2013 11:14 AM (oknl






You don't think Owen would be just a tad too goofy? I always thought Win was a tad too misanthropic for the guy whose best line, INMHO, was, "CHEWY?!?!? Have you even SEEN Star Wars?"

Again, FWIW.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at July 07, 2013 07:32 AM (0duDc)

61 P.S. The only thing wrong with Coben's Myron Bolitar books is that there aren't enough of them. Myron and Win could teach Clancy's "heroes" a thing or two.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2013 11:31 AM (/RIVS)




Amen.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at July 07, 2013 07:34 AM (0duDc)

62 The fact that Tom Cruise made Nicole Kidman wear flats all the time so that she wouldn't look that much taller than he was tells you all you need to know about him.

I'm short myself; never quite made 5'8", and in my old age I've shrunk down to 5'7". I've gone out with some tall women in my life and my reaction is: put on the spike heels, pile your hair up on top, and stand up straight; if you've got it - flaunt it.



Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 07, 2013 07:34 AM (ylhEn)

63 " I far prefer the Parker series though, rest Stark's soul " I got into Harlan Coben and his Myron Bolitar series... Pretty good.

Posted by: shredded chi at July 07, 2013 07:35 AM (CbiPs)

64

TBH,

 

Yeah, The Long Earth was pretty crappy.  I'm amazed that they wrote a sequel.

 

Still working on Napoleon's Wars and Paradise Lost.  I'm hoping to finish the former in the next couple of weeks and then I'll try to find something easier.  Maybe some Dresden novels.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 07, 2013 07:35 AM (lr3d7)

65 Curling iron: Get Mrs. Muse a outlet timer that only provides electricity for X number of minutes. Use it religiously for hot things. Reading "Bacon and Egg Man" by Ken Wheaton, very amusing story about what the Dystopia of Mayor Bloomberg might look like if it took over the entire north-east of America. Haven't seen the movie, but I can't see how Cruise could be a convincing Reacher. Jack Reacher is a big, BIG man with above-average strength on top of his skill, there are things he does that requires muscle mass Tom just ain't got.

Posted by: Socrateae at July 07, 2013 07:35 AM (AgrAs)

66 63 shredded chi,

I may give it a spin after the move...

I wish Leonard would write more on Raylan.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 07:36 AM (LRFds)

67 Am I the only one bothered by the name "Reacher"?

Posted by: waldo at July 07, 2013 07:36 AM (vDjkK)

68 Since I hadn't read the books, I thought Cruise did well at the character he was trying to play. That character was the Knight Errant, Hiding From The King's Court.

It seems that this character, however compelling, simply wasn't Jack Reacher, and so should have used a different name.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 07:36 AM (nt30N)

69 67 waldo,

Not bothered at all, of Reggie come here a sec...

//BHO

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 07:36 AM (LRFds)

70 48 tomc--I think the point the earlier commenter was making was that Reacher's claim to have not done his laundry while still in the Army was implausible.

To answer the OP's second question, the villainous corporation was added to the movie.  In the book, the Zek was moving in on his own (and the final battle took place in the middle of farm country, not a quarry or whatever that was in the movie).

Overall, I think Cruise did a pretty fair job in the movie once you forget the glaring height issue.  While Reacher is supposed to be able to handle anyone in the military, he doesn't intimidate many people on sight in the books.

Running Hobo--try Morgan's Takeshi Kovacs books if you're into SF.  Three or four decent books there.

Posted by: notthatGreg at July 07, 2013 07:37 AM (norkA)

71 P.S. The only thing wrong with Coben's Myron Bolitar books is that there aren't enough of them. Myron and Win could teach Clancy's "heroes" a thing or two. Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2013 11:31 AM (/RIVS) Are those a series? If so, where should I start?

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:37 AM (Pspqd)

72 I got into Harlan Coben and his Myron Bolitar series... Pretty good.
Posted by: shredded chi at July 07, 2013 11:35 AM


Funny thing is, my GF brought home a Coben book that was not from the "Bolitar" series, and I hated it.

Dude really struck gold when he dreamed up Myron and Win.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2013 07:37 AM (/RIVS)

73 Thanks for including this proud moron commenter. I appreciate the mention. The book is my attempt to fuse an entertaining, rough, and dark story, with a clear message of individualism and constrained State power. If anyone has any issues with the download, please let me know. I'd be glad to answer any questions as well. I hope that you enjoy.

Posted by: J.D. Nock at July 07, 2013 07:37 AM (i3AME)

74 is there not going to be a gun thread today?

not that I am whining too hard...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 07:37 AM (LRFds)

75 On the way to the shore we listed to Deal Breaker by Harlan Coben on audio book. A Myron Bolitar novel we'd both read before. Great light mystery/action/murder/sports agent series. Now I think I'm headed kayak fishing in Pamlico Sound. If I can get off my butt.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 07, 2013 07:38 AM (qbVkk)

76 To take your mind off teh DOOM and such, I humbly offer my latest literary outrage -- The Bureau of Substandards Annual Report. It has been sanitized and safety-inspected by our own Anachronda! Five short stories of the only government department that actually does something useful (yes, it is fiction). I just published it yesterday so it may not yet be live on Barnes (and)Noble, but it is on Amazon ( http://amzn.to/12OIYTd ) and for a limited time, a mere $1.99! Re: evil corporations. I plead guilty to using one myself in the Sequoyah trilogy. Thing is, in space opera you need a villain that has the means to do Bad Stuff on a vast scale and that pretty much restricts the options to a) evil government and b) evil corporations. I try to indicate they are not evil *because* they are a corporation, if that helps.

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at July 07, 2013 07:39 AM (wfSF5)

77 Are those a series? If so, where should I start? Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 11:37 AM

They are indeed a series, but I just fell into them, and found there's no particular starting point needed to enjoy them.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2013 07:40 AM (/RIVS)

78 Sabrina Chase has a new book out, a collection of short stories set in the Bureau of Substandards. She has published one of the stories, "The Correct Way to Fill Out Form PCR-103-u", before standalone. The rest of the stories are just as delightful.

I am currently reading the first of Gregory of Yardsdale's Worlds Apart series. Good fun, but it could use a good proofreading. Among other things, the wingdings for the footnotes don't work right on the Kindle; you see the markup instead of the wingding.



Posted by: Anachronda at July 07, 2013 07:41 AM (U82Km)

79 OT - sick sick sick of the coverage of the 'Tragedy in San Francisco' 2 died, 300 or so survived. That's not a fucking tragedy assholes.

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:41 AM (Pspqd)

80 Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2013 11:40 AM (/RIVS Cool. Thanks.

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:42 AM (Pspqd)

81

As a snotty high-school student and confirmed Lutheran (in the days when you had to go to catechism classes once a week for three years!) I regularly used that verse from Genesis to confound fellow high-school students who (being from rather less theologically-grounded denominations) were completely convinced that every single word in the Bible was the absolute truth. Fun times, although now and again one of them would be deeply shaken.

I'm about 7/8th done with Charles Todd's latest Bess Crawford mystery - I'm enjoying it more than I did the previous one.

And my own next book, the Quivera Trail is done, and gone for the final editing - this is the one that I call 'Mrs. Gaskell meets Zane Grey' - English lady meets and marries Texas cattle rancher in 1875. It'll be out in November, 2013. 

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at July 07, 2013 07:43 AM (Asjr7)

82 @74 Usually gun thread shows up after my second bloody mary. Which means pretty soon now.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 07, 2013 07:43 AM (wR+pz)

83 Currently trying to get through the Icelandic Sagas.  Lots of murder, death, and general mayhem.  Can get a bit confusing if you're not paying attention, given traditional Scandanavian naming schema (e.g. hypothetically, a guy named Bjorn Ulfson is a guy named Ulf, whose full name is Ulf Bjornson, that Bjorn is the grandfather of the first Bjorn mentionedetc.).  Probably why so many of them had colorful nicknames.  It's also why the Icelanders have a phone app to determine if you're related to someone before you hook up with them, since they still use this naming system.


On the Nephalim thing; it's pulp fantasy, but the heroes in the Diablo books are 'Nephalem', descendents of rebel angels and demons interbreeding and creating humanity.  Sin War Trilogy covers that.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at July 07, 2013 07:43 AM (G99e4)

84 *bjorn ulfson is the son of a guy named ulf

Posted by: Ranba Ral at July 07, 2013 07:45 AM (G99e4)

85 74 is there not going to be a gun thread today? not that I am whining too hard... Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 11:37 AM (LRFds) Here, play with this 9 round assault magazine while you wait http://tinyurl.com/n4vw9qj

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:45 AM (Pspqd)

86 79 OT - sick sick sick of the coverage of the 'Tragedy in San Francisco' 2 died, 300 or so survived. That's not a fucking tragedy assholes. Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 11:41 AM (Pspqd) Really.....how many have died in car crashes since....just in the bay area?

Posted by: BignJames at July 07, 2013 07:46 AM (Sg0G/)

87 BREAKING NEWS!!: Tragedy in Norther Virginia It has been reported that RWC has stubbed his toe. We have world renowned podiatrist on the phone right now.

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:50 AM (Pspqd)

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:50 AM (Pspqd)

89 Whoops. F1 Red Bull team just let their driver leave the pit while the right rear tire changer was trying to take off the tire he had just put on (no explanation for that yet). The errant wheel took out a cameraman.

Posted by: Methos at July 07, 2013 07:51 AM (hO9ad)

90 Apparently, the appropriate moron question is not whether Tom cruise is a credible Jack Reacher. Commenter perdogg gets to the heart of the matter: 45 I actually thought the movie was good. The question I have is does Rosamund Pike ever wear a bra in the movie. Posted by: perdogg at July 07, 2013 11:26 AM (ziD3M
My question is: Why the hell would any Moron want her to?

She reminds me of an old Benny Hill line: "A girl like that could really hurt a guy...if he was lucky!"


Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2013 07:51 AM (/RIVS)

91 RWC stubbed his toe on the barrel, I see

fortunately he didn't fall in this time

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 07:51 AM (nt30N)

92 One of the members of my wrter's group (a professor of English and much-published author) read the first 'Jack Reacher' book before the movie cam out, from curiosity.  Then he told us about it.  Because we are 1) Americans and 2) live in Georgia, there was much amusement all around.  Maybe they got better later.

Posted by: RNB at July 07, 2013 07:52 AM (1/fQ0)

93 As to the Nephilim, Frank Peretti used them as bad guys in one or two of his books. Seems to me he followed the idea that when Lucifer chose to fall, he took some angels with him. These mated with humans and produced really, really fallen demonic type offspring. There's also some conjectured link to Lillith, who is mentioned once in Isaiah and in some non-canonical Judaic texts as the first wife of Adam. She's cast aside for being a nag, a scold, brazen and just generally not a Proverbs 31 type wife--her name is used by many feminist organizations. The Nephilim could also be the children of that union. All of that, though, is strictly conjecture.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at July 07, 2013 07:54 AM (fzFF6)

94 Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 11:51 AM (nt30N) It was a frantic 5 seconds.

Posted by: RWC at July 07, 2013 07:54 AM (8FeS+)

95

One of my favs is "One Door Away form Heaven". -Dean Koontz- great book for dog lovers and morons/ ettes. Two great chick sisters who know their way around martial arts and guns. Fun read you guys.

Just finished "The Husband"  Ending was wham bam thank you maam, but I always find some great thoughts in the few books I've read. He seems to have and expresses some great conservative values and he mocks (in this academia) the mockers. Strong women in the books I've read. I dig that.

 

 

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 07, 2013 07:54 AM (/7gW+)

96 morning morons. The whole Nephilim thing has always fascinated me as well. no one seems to have a really good explanation (from a religious standpoint) and there doesn't seem to be any further discussion of them in the Bible. I remember telling my religious zealot boss about the Nephilim and his eyes got all glazed over. He had no answers and prided himself on being a student of the Bible.

Posted by: Secret Squirrel, author of Sir Robert of Cheshire available on Amazon Kindle at July 07, 2013 07:56 AM (0SmH0)

97 Tom Cruise? Jeebus. "Reacher" is the kind of guy you might knock back a brewski or two with, but not ever want to cross. Tom Cruise is the kind of guy you want to beat the shit out of on sight, mainly worrying that he might bite you on the knee.

Nailed it, MrScribbler!!  I've read all the Reacher books, and enjoy them, although they are kind of the same book written over and over again.  I am a HUGE fan of the Myron Bolitar series. 

Somewhat OT, but has anyone read the "new" Spenser books written by someone else since Robert B. Parker's sad demise? 

Posted by: Peaches at July 07, 2013 07:58 AM (8lmkt)

98 An observation, # 62: You reminded me of a comment Christopher Hitchens made about John McCain. Apparently McCain went off on some student Republican who had him behind too big a podium. Hitchens wrote: "It can be tough being five foot nine, as I am here on tiptoe to tell you, but most of get over it before we are out of our teens, let alone before we don our country's uniform."

Posted by: JPS at July 07, 2013 07:58 AM (9ziuC)

99 haven't seen the Jack Reacher flick and probably won't. after Cruise went off the rails its hard to watch anything with him in it and not think of his manic jumping on Oprah's show or the cult of scientology he belongs to. I like the Tom Cruise of old- when I was a kid- Top Gun, Taps etc.

Posted by: Secret Squirrel, author of Sir Robert of Cheshire available on Amazon Kindle at July 07, 2013 07:58 AM (0SmH0)

100 Ah, the Nephilim, We are truly a strange breed. The sons of God! Most of my brothers were tall, I'm a shorty (the runt of the litter), but spin them guns very fast and suck the thoughts right out of your head! We all have our unique gifts.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at July 07, 2013 07:58 AM (6Nzi2)

101 " Funny thing is, my GF brought home a Coben book that was not from the "Bolitar" series, and I hated it " Same here. RWC - i just picked one up on a flight a few years back and really liked it. Then i went back and started from his first one. Read them in orser after that, but as already stated, not necessary. You might get a little extra background, but not essential.

Posted by: shredded chi at July 07, 2013 07:59 AM (CbiPs)

102 CS Lewis traced Jadis the White Witch's ancestry to Adam = Lilith, also.

I can't remember if the Emerald Witch was related; if so, whether she was a descendent of Jadis or if she somehow got out of Charn and snuck into Narnia on her own.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 08:00 AM (nt30N)

103 I started re-reading King Rat last night and am reading the first Conan.

Posted by: Secret Squirrel, author of Sir Robert of Cheshire available on Amazon Kindle at July 07, 2013 08:01 AM (0SmH0)

104

I'm   about halfway through   Orwell's 1984.  I saw  the movie with Richard Burton and John Hurt and was somewhat familiar with the themes of   an all-intrusive government that  suppressed the people.  The book   is  depressing as hell.

 

Anyway, this edition is the first, with the 1949  copyright   date, the pages aren't uniformly  cut and I suspect they   may be made out of rag. Is  there any way to tell? The texture of the pages are unique, like nothing I've seen before.

 

 

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 07, 2013 08:05 AM (0HooB)

105 I'm about half-way through "Doughnut" by Tom Holt.

Posted by: scrood at July 07, 2013 08:06 AM (wvPFe)

106

Recently finished Lawrence Wright's newish book on Scientology which was excellent.  http://tinyurl.com/mylhq3m  This is why you should not see Tom Cruise movies:  any benefit to Cruise is a benefit to Scientology.

 

Finished re-reading "Prayers for the Assassin" so I could finally get around to reading the sequels. 

 

Then I think I will go back to 1491 which was shaping up nicely before I got distracted.

 

Clearly I'm never going to finish The Rise & Fall of the Third Reich.

Posted by: Tonestaple at July 07, 2013 08:07 AM (3yidV)

107 104- get out a bottle of Victory Gin because the gloom and depression don't end...

Posted by: Secret Squirrel, author of Sir Robert of Cheshire available on Amazon Kindle at July 07, 2013 08:07 AM (0SmH0)

108 OT: A friend of mine in North Carolina posted a link to Nancy Mace for Senate 2014. Apparently she's hoping to unseat Graham. She's the daughter of a Brigadier General and also the first female grad of the Citadel. That's about all the FB page has to say bio-wise. Anyone know anything pro or con about her?

Posted by: Ragamuffin at July 07, 2013 08:07 AM (fzFF6)

109 I haven't seen the movie, but I have read the book from which it was 'adapted'. This is One Shot, and no the villain is not a big corporation (here be spoilers)....



1) No, no, no Tom Cruise is not a believable Jack Reacher. He might make a believable loner ex-military policeman who is wily and resourceful and afraid of commitment, but this is a woeful piece of casting. Reacher is 6'4", 200+ lbs, extremely physically imposing, and astoundingly prone to violence. Other than, say, Paul Reubens, Miranda Cosgrove or ALF, I can't think of a less suitable actor. As for who would be suitable to play him, I always pictured someone like Kevin Sorbo, but he's too old now. Maybe Vincent d'Onofrio would have been able to pull it off. Probably the best choice right now would have been Adam Baldwin. He's the right size and age range and he's not a former WWE wrestler.

2) The bad guy in the book is a Russian GULag survivor, called The Zec. He is a ruthless and appallingly amoral mobster, and his motive for killing the people in the initial sniper incident is to cover up that one of them was a woman whose husband's contracting company had been muscled out of a road construction project and subsequently killed. She was getting close to proving this so she was eliminated, along with four others to cover the tracks. The patsy is a sniper that Reacher ran across just after Gulf 91 who killed some fellow soldiers for the hell of it but fell through the cracks. If the police are fed the mad sniper story then they will write off the victims as random happenstance. But Reacher knows the skill of the guy in question and knows the likelihood he would have missed one of the shots at the very close range they were supposed to have been fired from is nil. So something is fishy...

I don't know why the movie changed it. They do this seemingly at will. In The Runaway Jury, the bad guys mutated from tobacco companies to gun manufacturers. It's stupid, and it alienates half your audience, and it's one facet of Hollywood's decline. Maybe it's the same reason films are re-titled for foreign audiences: it gives parasitical studio drones a claim to have had creative input.

Posted by: David Gillies at July 07, 2013 08:09 AM (wscOM)

110 Recently finished Lawrence Wright's newish book on Scientology which was excellent. http://tinyurl.com/mylhq3m This is why you should not see Tom Cruise movies: any benefit to Cruise is a benefit to Scientology.



I think I've written here before about a sibling of an acquaintance who had to be de-programmed after falling into that cult.  There are some truly vile entities associated with that, including bottom feeding trash ambulance chasers.  It's like a world wide Westboro bunch.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 07, 2013 08:10 AM (2wlrf)

111 Anyone know anything pro or con about her?

Posted by: Ragamuffin at July 07, 2013 12:07 PM (fzFF6)

She's breathing and she's running against Graham.

That's all I need to know.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2013 08:10 AM (eSrLn)

112 Noah vs. Enoch: The Enfloodening

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 07, 2013 08:12 AM (V1ZIU)

113 Harlan Coben should be paying royalties to the estate of Robert Parker . They're practically copies of the Spenser novels , only without the funny .

Posted by: awkward davies at July 07, 2013 08:13 AM (WK8VM)

114

Tom Cruise was O.K., but he played a different character than Child's Reacher.  Two actors who could have convincingly portrayed the Reacher of my dreams are:  Ray Stevenson and Jason Statham.

Posted by: Starlj at July 07, 2013 08:14 AM (HUoKY)

115 "Anyone know anything pro or con about her?"

Pro, she's trying to get rid of Graham.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 07, 2013 08:15 AM (Fz2C7)

116 21 I agree with the predominant opinion that Cruise was miscast as Jack Reacher, but would genuinely love to see him someday cast as Bolitar's wonderfully satisfying billionaire post-yuppie sidekick(?), Windsor Horne-Lockwood.

Great idea. The hair color is wrong, but he'd still be perfect because he has that vain, self-satisfied Win smile that people want to punch right off his face (only to find out that they can't).

Regarding where to start in the Myron Bolitar series, do them in chronological order. There are only a few back references, but why not get them right? I believe the first one is Deal Breaker, a title which takes on new significance when you finish the book.

Posted by: Splunge at July 07, 2013 08:15 AM (bKA83)

117

Noah vs. Enoch: The Enfloodening

 

Is there any way we can add sharks to this?

Posted by: SyFy Executives at July 07, 2013 08:15 AM (lr3d7)

118 Yeah, the way you avoided making that joke was great.

Posted by: bour3 at July 07, 2013 08:16 AM (5x3+2)

119 Good, only one book to download this time and it's a freebee. Once I figured out how to put it on the 'droid it was all good...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 07, 2013 08:19 AM (yh0zB)

120 Okay I'm going to trust in one of you guys to put this in the Gun thread if need be as I may be gone for a good part of the afternoon, sinuses allowing.


Apologies for the OT.

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If you can stand a polymer low and the M-4 telescoping buttstock I found a complete lower for 150 dollars.

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Ship that via gunbroker to your favorite FFL and ideally your favorite gunsmith/ffl.... as always follow all applicable laws...

so you've got your lower what to do about an upper?

R Guns has a 16" Carbine upper as low as 445...

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so total cost 595 plus shipping

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 08:20 AM (LRFds)

121 I finished Ex-Heroes this week, and am midway through the first sequel, Ex-Patriots. I enjoyed the first one enough to buy the second, but I think the second is a much better book, maybe because it doesn't need so much scene-setting. There was a twist that really knocked me for a loop. Also I think the writing got better. After the first book, I'd have given a mildly positive recommendation, but I am starting to become quite enthusiastic about this zombie-apocalypse-with-superheros series.

Posted by: Splunge at July 07, 2013 08:22 AM (bKA83)

122 To take your mind off teh DOOM and such, I humbly offer my latest literary outrage -- The Bureau of Substandards Annual Report. It has been sanitized and safety-inspected by our own Anachronda! Five short stories of the only government department that actually does something useful (yes, it is fiction). I just published it yesterday so it may not yet be live on Barnes (and)Noble, but it is on Amazon ( http://amzn.to/12OIYTd ) and for a limited time, a mere $1.99!

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at July 07, 2013 11:39 AM (wfSF5)



DAMMIT!!! (belay my last)...



off to Amazon...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 07, 2013 08:23 AM (yh0zB)

123 There was a Reacher book that came out a few years ago where Reacher gets involved in some BS underground railroad for military deserters from the GWOT.  Of course it comes out that there is a secret facility in the town the story is set in where the huge (but somehow secret) number of American tanks and vehicles destroyed in Iraq are being disposed of.  This turns Reacher (formerly the toughest soldier/cop in the Army) into an anti-war activist/ass kicker.

Child took Reacher completely out of his character's background, and took a lot of heat from his readers, a good chunk of which were military/former military.  He took off his mask (which wasn't on that tight- he IS British) and revealed that he is a screaming liberal, but quite content to take the $ from his political rivals by writing his drivel.

Posted by: elliot at July 07, 2013 08:24 AM (8zGOf)

124 123 Elliot,

It does make it almost seem that it'd be nice for a conservative to take cash from the moonbats for writing an against type hero for them eh?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 07, 2013 08:27 AM (LRFds)

125 I'm short myself; never quite made 5'8", and in my old age I've shrunk down to 5'7". I've gone out with some tall women in my life and my reaction is: put on the spike heels, pile your hair up on top, and stand up straight; if you've got it - flaunt it.

Posted by: An Observation at July 07, 2013 11:34 AM (ylhEn)



and besides...it puts teh bewbs up closer to eye level...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 07, 2013 08:27 AM (yh0zB)

126 I saw "Jack Reacher" before reading the books and enjoyed the movie. I read some of the Reacher novels by Lee child because of the movie. The novels are all pretty much the same, so I took a break after 4 or 5 of them and haven't returned. As far as Lee Child's being a leftard, that's fairly obvious as all his villains(that I read) are military, ex-military, e-e-e-e-evil corporations, or rightwing pols. Child's smart enough to make his villains "renegades" or grotesquely perverted as human beings so that you concentrate on hating the villain, rather than his job. But, yeah, they're always- military, ex-military, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by: Somewhat Sorry To Offend You at July 07, 2013 08:30 AM (ZR4Xh)

127 I hope you all have a great Sunday, horde.

Posted by: Secret Squirrel, author of Sir Robert of Cheshire available on Amazon Kindle at July 07, 2013 08:31 AM (0SmH0)

128 >>>thread killah<<<


And now I'm off to read some books. Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 07, 2013 08:31 AM (yh0zB)

129 There is a law that all future dystopian movies must star Will Smith.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 07, 2013 08:32 AM (W8j82)

130 Pacific Rim opens next week. Tom Cruise is not in it.

Posted by: eman at July 07, 2013 08:32 AM (AO9UG)

131 52 Comrade Arthur @ 39: Have you read Hornfischer's "Neptune's Inferno"? That's on the list. I have a BIG BOX of Guadalcanal books to plow thought. I'm buying a kindle of "inferno" as it looks like one of the best I don't have.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at July 07, 2013 08:33 AM (5YUSx)

132 A fair point. Mrs. Muse and I both noticed some parts of the movie where the scene was dominated not by Jack Reacher's menacing presence, but by Ms. Pike's ginormous hooters. (please note that I resisted the obvious "Pike's peaks" joke) Now, see, that is simply unacceptable. As a purveyor of puns, I call shenanigans. That pun was RIGHT THERE, ripe for the taking, and you abandoned it? For shame, sir. For SHAME.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/u] at July 07, 2013 08:34 AM (CA2NO)

133 The way the first two "Dead Space" games teed off on Scientology was great.

Humans will learn that at death of their worldly spirit they will be reborn in Unity as a stronger community unending

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 08:39 AM (QTHTd)

134

. This turns Reacher (formerly the toughest soldier/cop in the Army) into an anti-war activist/ass kicker.

 

So basically another Billy Jack? 

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observatio at July 07, 2013 08:39 AM (ylhEn)

135 > 76 Re: evil corporations. I plead guilty to using one myself in the Sequoyah trilogy. Thing is, in space opera you need a villain that has the means to do Bad Stuff on a vast scale and that pretty much restricts the options to a) evil government and b) evil corporations. Posted by: Sabrina Chase 3. A cult! 4. underground revolutionary movement ( may seem similar to cult but a cult may have been around a lot longer) Both 3 and 4 can be financed by outside powers looking to stir up trouble.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at July 07, 2013 08:39 AM (5YUSx)

136 Saw World War Z and it was actually scary. The Jerusalem overrun was weird in that happened way too fast. They built the walls but didn't have a secondary defense? But subtle. The incoming Palestinians and Ortodox Jews could not get over there differences. That is what caused the overrun.

Posted by: blaster at July 07, 2013 08:40 AM (c28BI)

137 I found a good one: The White Book by Robert S. Oculus III. I stumbled across it by accident early this morning and I've nearly completed it. You can read it for free online here: http://tinyurl.com/khssa27 It covers many of the same topics and themes we discuss here on a daily basis. I don't necessarily agree with every word in it, but it Needs To Be Said.

Posted by: rickl at July 07, 2013 08:41 AM (sdi6R)

138 Years ago, 1991.  I was working as an intern in DC, and volunteering for something in Georgetown, working out of somebodies home office.  I walked out of the side gate - and right into the back side of a movie set and Tom Cruise.  We chatted briefly, he is short, and I went on my way.  Never even saw the movie he was filming.

Posted by: Jean at July 07, 2013 08:42 AM (CMlD4)

139

[Photos] Japanese Bookstores and the Art of Book Stacking

http://tinyurl.com/lt5vcak

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 07, 2013 08:44 AM (kdS6q)

140 What kind of name is Rosamund?

Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at July 07, 2013 08:45 AM (uLzrM)

141 OK, finished second Bloody Mary. Time for the gun thread.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 07, 2013 08:45 AM (wR+pz)

142 I read the first book in Bernard Cornwell's Saxon series, The Last Kingdom, last week.  I liked it so much I got the next book.  I've only read a couple of his books, one being a standalone book, Wildtrack, but they were both very entertaining.  Why did I never hear of the guy before?

Posted by: huerfano at July 07, 2013 08:47 AM (bAGA/)

143 Halfway through 1491. I've already read 1493 and liked the writing and evenhanded treatment. Not a bit of "bad, bad white man".

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 07, 2013 08:47 AM (7R/UO)

144 Wildtrack, but they were both very entertaining. Why did I never hear of the guy before?

Posted by: huerfano at July 07, 2013 12:47 PM (bAGA/)



He and that series have been mentioned here numerous times.

Posted by: Vic at July 07, 2013 08:50 AM (lZvxr)

145 122 GGE of the Moron Horde
DAMMIT!!! (belay my last)...
off to Amazon...


GGE, have I mentioned lately how intelligent and good-looking you are? ;-)

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at July 07, 2013 08:51 AM (wfSF5)

146 In the book (spoiler alert) Jack Reacher kills a man with a bear hug. Tough to believe an under six foot man can do that. Have to lift the guy off the floor.

As far as height goes, the best compliment an ex ever gave me was, "I don't think of you as short, because you have a tall personality."

Posted by: Oschisms at July 07, 2013 08:51 AM (pfVS8)

147

Since leftists are almost all the kind of people who've never done anything athletic in their lives - since athletics forces you to deal with physical reality. They see themselves as Jack Reacher in their minds; "cause that's how I'd be if I could do that sort of thing." That explains their fascination with shoot-em-up video games. 

No dude, you'd be the guy who quit the first day of football practice because its too haaaard and it huuurts - because that's who you are.

 

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observatio at July 07, 2013 08:53 AM (ylhEn)

148 I posted when the Reacher movie premiered that Tiny Tommy was execrable casting.  I have read all but the last 3 or 4 books--they got boring for the reasons given by #36--all the bad guys were cliches.  The character is supposed to be 6'4" with a face like a hatchet, not an "itty bitty pretty one" like Tom.  But, Tom has a big, big checkbook and so he got the screen rights.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 07, 2013 08:54 AM (kXoT0)

149 I've read the first six Reacher books and Cruise does seem like a Reacher mini-me. It's easy for an author to write about a 6'-7" muscular trained fighter, finding a good film actor with those specs is tough. Good stories, will probably pick up the series again at some point. Read Weber/Ringo's 'We Few' to complete the Prince Roger quartology. Satisfying conclusion to a pretty good series, though it was more fun to read about them slogging across the planet Marduk in the earlier books.

Posted by: waelse1 at July 07, 2013 08:54 AM (giKYe)

150 I'm 6' 5" but if I didn't have so much turned under to walk on I'd be 7' 7".

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 07, 2013 08:55 AM (7R/UO)

151 I picked up three books at the friends of the library sale, for 25¢ each. Consent to Kill, Vince Flynn My first Mitch Rapp novel, I enjoyed it. I liked the idea Mitch has in it, of basically conducting offensive assassinations and "terror" against the terrorist groups and force them to in-fighting. Is that developed in any of the other books? Disclosure, Michael Crichton Read more like a Grisham than a Crichton, but was enjoyable enough. Santiago, Mike Resnick From the Wikipedia page on Resnick I really thought I was going to dislike this. But I ended up loving the whole tall-tale larger-than-life notion of the characters and their interaction with each other and their chronicler. Really interesting. I've been reading on my phone for months now so the physical paper was a nice change. I read them all in about four days. Best 75¢ I ever spent.

Posted by: .87c at July 07, 2013 08:55 AM (hKAKT)

152 Anyone know how to recover a passcode for ipod after it is forgotten.

Daughter's pod is locked.

Posted by: rip van winkin at the 80s at July 07, 2013 08:58 AM (WVMUQ)

153 Reacher was cartoonish: 6'-4" and afraid of nobody on earth. Cartoonish, really? My husband is 6' 5" and afraid of nobody on Earth. (Grant you, he is very careful not to let me run out of cool drinks on hot days) The runt of my 8 brothers is 6'2", the baby topped out at 6'10" ; they are all well over 200 pounds and not a one of them is afraid of anything on Earth. There are plenty of real men out there, no worries.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 07, 2013 09:00 AM (2/T/u)

154
In related book news, the increasingly strident and unpleasant author John Scalzi has declared a fatwa against conventions that lack a feminist approved anti-harassment policy.  Other beta-males and leg-beard wymym are band-wagoning and backslapping each other for bring the patriarchy to its knees:

http://tinyurl.com/lqet2kx

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 07, 2013 09:00 AM (kdS6q)

155 Read Castle Falcon by a Moron author on Kindle. Can't remember who exactly as it's under his real name and I purchased it at the beginning of the year. It's pretty much Lovecraft meets sci-fi for kids. Decent story and pretty good editing, it might be a good intro to Lovecraft for kids who are interested in that genre.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at July 07, 2013 09:01 AM (GX3Y1)

156 Somewhat OT, but has anyone read the "new" Spenser books written by someone else since Robert B. Parker's sad demise?
Posted by: Peaches at July 07, 2013 11:58 AM


No, but the "style" is easy enough to copy. I wrote a "Spenser" novel (which, fortunately, died when my $99 computer gave up the ghost some years ago) and found it quite simple to catch all of Parker's obvious and heavy-handed nuances.

At the end, Hawk beat the ever-lovin' bejeebers out of Spenser and took off with the whiny Susan in tow.

Oh, yeah. They dropped the dog off at the pound on the way to Haiti, where Hawk became head of a revitalized Tonton Macoute.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2013 09:02 AM (/RIVS)

157 #35 Now I'm seeking a new series: recommendations?
Posted by: Running Hobo


Try the Hit Man series by Lawrence Block. There are 5 out I think, so a short series, but it's about a killer for hire who's a philatelist in his spare time.

Posted by: John Pomeroy at July 07, 2013 09:04 AM (6J9ZY)

158

Recently finished Lawrence Wright's newish book on Scientology which was excellent. http://tinyurl.com/mylhq3m This is why you should not see Tom Cruise movies: any benefit to Cruise is a benefit to Scientology.

---------------

 

The Scientologists moved their center near where I work a few years ago into a much bigger building.  They've been sending people out at around lunchtime to advertise themselves.  The people doing the advertising don't even have the decency to identify themselves; they just shove a small piece of paper with their advertising spiel in front of anyone and everyone that they walk by while out patrolling the streets, knowing that people rarely decline something that's given to them for free even if they don't know what it is.  I've been finding them to be extremely irritating.

---------------

 

Clearly I'm never going to finish The Rise Fall of the Third Reich.

--------------

 

Finish it.  It's a good book, and well worth the time that it takes to read it.

 

Posted by: junior at July 07, 2013 09:05 AM (Quo7C)

159 152 Anyone know how to recover a passcode for ipod after it is forgotten. Daughter's pod is locked. Don't think you can. Try locate my Ipad program from another pad, if you have it installed on hers. If not, break it and go get another one on the insurance

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 07, 2013 09:10 AM (wR+pz)

160 Just finished The Origin of Species. Very good. Darwin's summary at the end is passionately written and very moving to read. Next stop: finish the Federalist Papers.

Posted by: Secundus at July 07, 2013 09:11 AM (iYwPt)

161 Cruise was great inthe MI series, in sci fi roles, and even as a televangelist. It's not that he can't do action or intellectual roles. He's a good actor, who can convincingly play a bad guy or an antihero, as long as he doesn't fall back on schlock like his tm kicking the wall move. Jack Reacher is just a dumb name. You can't help but wonder, what's he reaching for? It implies out of the gate that the movie falls short of the mark.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 07, 2013 09:11 AM (AVaK2)

162 152 Anyone know how to recover a passcode for ipod after it is forgotten.

Daughter's pod is locked.

Posted by: rip van winkin at the 80s at July 07, 2013 12:58 PM (WVMUQ)

 

Couldn't you login to iTunes on your computer change her password or whatever there and then hook up the ipod and try it from there?

 

Posted by: buzzion at July 07, 2013 09:12 AM (LI48c)

163 Consent to Kill, Vince Flynn
My first Mitch Rapp novel, I enjoyed it. I liked the idea Mitch has in it, of basically conducting offensive assassinations and "terror" against the terrorist groups and force them to in-fighting. Is that developed in any of the other books?

Read them all, .87c.  They never go squish and they are absolutely wonderful.  Still so sad that Vince is gone from us so soon.

Posted by: Peaches at July 07, 2013 09:13 AM (8lmkt)

164 I have been reading absolute swill, with a few mediocre things thrown in. Mainly trying to have something in common with some of my nieces by reading what they're in to, which is mainly vampires and various Urban Fantasy type stuff. We started with Harry Potter when they were mere hatchlings, made it through the Twilight years, and they have now drug me in to the Charley Davidson/Reyes Farrow and Night Huntress series(s). Mediocre at best. The ideas are pretty good and had they been written by high-school girls, I'd have been impressed, but the quality of the writing is annoying. The absolute swill was recommended to me by someone who generally likes the same things as I do; she said they were very sarcastic and sly and tongue in cheek, which is good, since the premise is Jane Austen in modern times as a vampire. It is supposed to be poking fun at all the vampire crap being written now, but I thought it read like a freaking Debbie Macomber romance. I refuse to believe the author is male. But if he is, he's gay, that's all I'm sayin'. Sabrina, your timing is impeccable. I need a good palate cleanser! Celia, ditto. Can't wait for November! It'll be a nice distraction from turning 50!!

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 07, 2013 09:13 AM (2/T/u)

165 Look: The modern national Republican party is a hot mess, a simmering pot of angry reactionaries driven by selfishness and willful ignorance, whose guiding star is not governance but power, and whose policies and practices are tuned to build an oligarchy, not nurture a democracy. Its economic policies are charitably described as nonsense and its social policies are vicious; for a party which parades its association with Jesus around like a fetish, it is notably lacking in the simple compassion of the Christ. There is so little I find good or useful in the current national GOP, intellectually, philosophically or politically, that I genuinely look on it with despair and wonder when or if the grown-ups are ever going to come back to it.

Posted by: John Scalzi at July 07, 2013 09:14 AM (QTHTd)

166

I think Andre the Giant could have made a good Jack Reacher.

 

 

 

"Sorry, Inigo.  Didn't mean to jog him so hard."

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 07, 2013 09:15 AM (pxDth)

167 Who could re-inact Mitch Rapp on screen?  Believably, that is

Posted by: NCwoof at July 07, 2013 09:15 AM (aUQgu)

168 I agree with 25.  Reacher (the one and only book I read) was so filled with incorrect military references and liberal push that I won't read another.  It was crap made for the ignorant.

Anything by John Ringo is good.

Reading Jay Allan's crimson wars.  Not bad.  Not great.

Posted by: MAJ O at July 07, 2013 09:15 AM (TwbSE)

169 161 Cruise was great inthe MI series, in sci fi roles, and even as a televangelist. It's not that he can't do action or intellectual roles. He's a good actor, who can convincingly play a bad guy or an antihero, as long as he doesn't fall back on schlock like his tm kicking the wall move.

Jack Reacher is just a dumb name. You can't help but wonder, what's he reaching for? It implies out of the gate that the movie falls short of the mark.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 07, 2013 01:11 PM (AVaK2)

 

It also doesn't help when the role is a character that is 6'4 and you have chosen to cast the guy that seems to have a short man complex.

Posted by: buzzion at July 07, 2013 09:15 AM (LI48c)

170 Scalzi got into the big-leagues in the first place by riding Heinlein's coattails in "Old Man's War", and courting endorsements from Glenn Reynolds and other right-libertarians.

Scalzi can blow me, and he's welcome to accuse me of sexual-harassment for that comment.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 09:15 AM (QTHTd)

171 My favorite antihero is Jay Gatsby. Read an interview with Cameron Crowe, and The Fight Club was an adaptation of The Great Gatsby. Fitzgerald said Gatsby was never meant to feel real, with is why he is introduced so late in the book which is titled like a magician's act, emphasizing Gatsby's self-invention and illusory qualities.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 07, 2013 09:17 AM (AVaK2)

172 I'm reading the Vidar trilogy by Michael Jan Friedman.  I read the first book, _The Hammer and The Horn_ as a teenager and remember being impressed.  I've acquired all three books now and have just started the second, _The Seekers and The Sword_.  Truth be told, the first book didn't light my fire the way I remember it did as a teen, but that was actually kinda cool--it was like I had never read it before, because I frankly didn't remember the plot.

This series is topical because it supposes that the Norse gods who survived Ragnarok still exist.  Vidar (one of Odin's sons, the slayer of the Fenris wolf) is the protagonist, but he's not a very likable fellow.  Not along the lines of _Lord Foul's Bane_, but he's a recalcitrant hero nonetheless.

Thirty-plus years removed from my initial reading, I've found it a more deep examination of human nature than I was able to understand when I was still awaiting my first sally into a woman's embrace.  Growing older sucks now, but the rewards of experience do enhance enjoyment of life as we age.

Posted by: Brennan at July 07, 2013 09:19 AM (4JGSO)

173 Currently reading Daniel Silva's "The English Assassin" -- Israeli spy/art restorer

Posted by: NCwoof at July 07, 2013 09:19 AM (aUQgu)

174 Posted by: John Scalzi at July 07, 2013 01:14 PM (QTHTd) Sort of. You actually described a fusion of the GOP and the Democrats. It's sometimes hard to see where one ends and the other begins.

Posted by: eman at July 07, 2013 09:20 AM (AO9UG)

175 #146

It's easier than you might think.

A stupid game that used to turn up among teenagers back when I was one, was to exhale and let someone squeeze you until you passed out. The squeezer was then supposed to let go and lower the person to the ground or some furniture while they started breathing again. Supposedly it created a brief period of euphoria but every year there is an incident somewhere of kids going overboard and not knowing what to do when the victim doesn't start breathing again on his own.

I never let anyone do it to me, as I was bigger than most of my peers at the time and didn't trust them not to drop me hard but I did agree to do it to a few people before realizing how dangerous it was.

Posted by: epobirs at July 07, 2013 09:20 AM (kcfmt)

176 The 2-3 new Spenser novels that post-date Parker's death are pretty close to the originals in tone/style, as #156 comments, but I thought the latest book started getting away from things a bit much.  Atkins has Spenser quoting literature/poetry in nearly every chapter and he's way too attached to the protege.

It's also getting harder to think of Spenser and Hawk as badasses since Spenser fought in Korea.  That makes him, what, 80?  It's almost getting to that point with Elvis Cole, who's written as a Vietnam vet.

Posted by: notthatGreg at July 07, 2013 09:21 AM (norkA)

177 Posted by: John Scalzi at July 07, 2013 01:14 PM (QTHTd)

You forgot to say you're concerned.

Also you forgot "OT"

Posted by: Methos at July 07, 2013 09:21 AM (hO9ad)

178 Posted by: John Scalzi at July 07, 2013 01:14 PM (QTHTd)


But still way better than the commies who put "D" after their name.

Posted by: Vic at July 07, 2013 09:21 AM (lZvxr)

179 @152 Google is your friend. http://tinyurl.com/luck23o

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 07, 2013 09:21 AM (wR+pz)

180 I always thought it was interesting that the Hebrew for giants was Niphilim and the home of the giants in Norse mythology was Nifilheim. Odd coincidence.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at July 07, 2013 09:21 AM (GX3Y1)

181 142 The Saxon Chronicles are great. The battle scenes are especially hair raising. Great period detail. I've read them all and am waiting for the next installment. Looks like there may be a title for the next one but no publication date yet.

Posted by: Tuna at July 07, 2013 09:23 AM (M/TDA)

182 Heroes, ehh?  Been watching Band of Brothers again recently.  They're heroes.

Posted by: SFGoth at July 07, 2013 09:23 AM (Xts5s)

183 However, if I'd have been in charge of the war effort, I would've put our resources into developing adequate escort fighter production and the B-29, dropped leaflets giving Germany 30 days to hand over its top bad guys, and then saturated it night after night until the Teuton people were the stuff of legend.  Needless to say, I like Bomber Harris.

Posted by: SFGoth at July 07, 2013 09:25 AM (Xts5s)

184 I always thought it was interesting that the Hebrew for giants was Niphilim and the home of the giants in Norse mythology was Nifilheim. Odd coincidence. Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at July 07, 2013 01:21 PM (GX3Y1) Obviously, giant mutants from the future travelled back in time and sparked stories and myths about giants banging hot chicks and other shit like that.

Posted by: eman at July 07, 2013 09:25 AM (AO9UG)

185 It's also getting harder to think of Spenser and Hawk as badasses since Spenser fought in Korea. That makes him, what, 80? It's almost getting to that point with Elvis Cole, who's written as a Vietnam vet.

Posted by: notthatGreg at July 07, 2013 01:21 PM (norkA)


lol, so true.  i have this annoying mental twitch of doing the math on the ages of characters, not a great thing to be plagued with in these situations.  i do love both series, though, some of my very favorites.  also a big fan of the Travis McGee series, which are really dated but still fun.

Posted by: Peaches at July 07, 2013 09:27 AM (8lmkt)

186

Re the Bible quote about Giants and the Nephilim...The Urantia Book has a full explanation.

The Nephilim were the purple race, if memory serves. But that was so many years ago....

The book made for a fine doorstop after I got tired of reading it.

 

 

Posted by: Meremortal at July 07, 2013 09:28 AM (1Y+hH)

187 Someone wake up Dave. Time for some guns.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 07, 2013 09:30 AM (wR+pz)

188

Posted by: John Scalzi at July 07, 2013 01:14 PM (QTHTd)

 

A rather good description....of Democrats.

Posted by: Meremortal at July 07, 2013 09:31 AM (1Y+hH)

189 I did some googling -

If nephilim is Hebrew at base, which it probably is, then it has to do with "falling" (n-p-l).

Niflheim is Darkhome; the root of Nifl is shared in Anglo-Saxon and German.

That Niflheim and Nephilim sound alike is a coincidence; this *isn't* an IndoEuropean / Semitic crossover. (There are actually quite a lot of these because of trade contacts: the Phoenicians especially.)

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 09:32 AM (QTHTd)

190 MrScribbler @ 156 - Parker had been phoning it in for the last 10 years or so in the Spenser series.  His other two franchises - Jesse Stone & Sunny Randall - have a little too much sturm und drang.

Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 09:34 AM (EV3Uf)

191 Currently reading 77 Shadow Street by Dean Koontz. Enjoying it so far. I've read several of his books and liked some more than others, but I always enjoy his little jabs at materialism. BTW, thanks to OM for mentioning The Smelly Planet last week, and to those Morons who picked it up. If you didn't get it last week, it's free on Amazon today.

Posted by: Frank Underwood (D-SC) at July 07, 2013 09:35 AM (fscec)

192 What is baffling is how Scalzi turns that into an endorsement of Obama. Can you say willful blindness, John?

Posted by: epobirs at July 07, 2013 09:38 AM (kcfmt)

193 Parker also wrote a couple (maybe more?) really great westerns.  Well worth reading!

Posted by: Peaches at July 07, 2013 09:38 AM (8lmkt)

194 David Nickel is supposed to be one of the better new horror writers around, so I thought I'd read his new novel, "The 'Geisters". The story concerns a woman who has been haunted by a poltergeist since she was a little girl. The poltergeist, called "The Insect", is very powerful and violent. It killed her parents and crippled her brother. She thinks she has the Insect under control but finds out that she doesn't when a secret society of men called "Geisters" come looking to take control of her poltergeist for their own reasons. Okay, to cut to the chase, I don't recommend the book, but to tell you why requires spoilers. So, if that sounds like your kind of thing, stop reading now. After this comes SPOILERS- SPOILERS The crux of the novel is that the Geisters of the title are a secret organization of "ghost rapers" or "ghost molesters" if you will. And almost all of the men in the woman's life, especially those she thought were trying to help her were actually ghost molesters who were "grooming" her poltergeist to serve their perversions. The first 2/3's of the book are well written and Nickel shows a nice sense of restraint in showing us just enough to want to see more.(though he needs a new editor as some scenes and transitions are unnecessarily confusing). He convinces us of the Insect's power and lethality. And he almost gets over the silliness of ghost fucking by more or less tying it to the creepy methods of child molesters/pederasts grooming their victims. He builds a nice sense of impending catastrophe and then.....bleh, the third act sucks bilge water. It's a lame-ass mess. Look, if there's one thing that Stephen King knows it's this- if a girl or guy or house has crazy-ass power (pyrokinesis, psychokinesis, telepathy, whatever) at the climax we're going to see that power graphically unleashed up close and personal. If you set up a Gotterdammerrung, baby, you better deliver. I, mean, Nickel even sets up a ghost whorehouse where clients can be brought to the edge of terror in safety because they know the poltergeist won't kill them. But, the Insect, well.... This is where a real writer would've stepped out all fat and sassy, and delivered the goods. But, sadly, no. Nickel instead gives us the revenge and retribution in the form of an off-stage mini-tornado in the ghost whorehouse. That's right. All the action occurs out of our sight. Instead, we're treated to a particularly lame feminist fable where the woman wanders through the maze of her mind(literally) to find her true powerful self that weak, despicable men had always kept her separate from. And then she drives away. The end. Now, I suppose that you could make the argument that the Insect in the end simply consumed the woman's soul/personality, if you wanted to believe that you'd spent all that time reading a horror novel and not a weak-minded feminist treatise. But, it wasn't written that way. END OF SPOILERS In conclusion, if you're up for a lame-ass feminist fable with a poorly written ending masquerading as a horror novel, then, pally, you. are. in. luck. Otherwise, don't waste your time on "The 'Geisters".

Posted by: Somewhat Sorry To Offend You at July 07, 2013 09:38 AM (ZR4Xh)

195 Ms. Tammy @ 153 - With all due respect, the Reacher character in the books is cartoonish, not believable. 

This should not be interpreted as a put-down of real life 6'+ bruisers, so no need for the snark.

Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 09:40 AM (EV3Uf)

196 " 187 Someone wake up Dave. Time for some guns. " Someone said last night (Purp?) That there were 6 or 7 posts on tap for today. No big to me... Out and about with the family having a good summer day. Just waiting on wings and a pie at Pungo Pizza.

Posted by: shredded chi at July 07, 2013 09:41 AM (CbiPs)

197 Speaking of Heroes, I thoroughly enjoyed the Longmire series [books] by Craig Johnson. [the TV thing is meh -- horrible if you've read the books] Recommended unreservedly. ---- I saw the first season of the series in a short span of time (reruns being shown before Season 2 started). I liked them well enough to get the books. Mr Y-not are reading those now. The books and TV series ARE different, but we are still enjoying both. The series is a little too dark and suffer from being 1 hr long, imho. I think a 90 minute format would have worked better. The challenge being that in order to drive the subplot, they give short shrift to the mystery (wrapping each one up in less than 5 min) and don't take the time to give us a more rounded view of Walt's personality. That said, I think it's well-acted, especially Lou Diamond Philips who imho has Henry's character spot on, and I am enjoying the Wyoming flavor since we are transplants to this region. I *do* think they tend to overplay the Native Americans spend all their time hating whitey (who is usually in the wrong). The books are more fun because the characters are more well-developed and the mysteries are more involved. If you like Hillerman but find his books too formulaic, you'll like these books a lot.

Posted by: Y-not at July 07, 2013 09:42 AM (5H6zj)

198 Tom Cruise was fine as Reacher. Lots of other actors who could have played the role, same is true for any role.

Look into the C.J. Box books about Joe Pickett. Pickett is a game warden in Wyoming. Pickett does mainly detective work along with his ex-military friend Nate. A series of fun reads.

And by now people should realize that there are no enemies on the left

Posted by: Harold at July 07, 2013 09:43 AM (xTVTq)

199 Someone said last night (Purp?) That there were 6 or 7 posts on tap for today. No big to me... Out and about with the family having a good summer day. Just waiting on wings and a pie at Pungo Pizza. Posted by: shredded chi at July 07, 2013 01:41 PM (CbiPs) Enjoy the day! I was out all July 4th weekend so far, but I'm not sure what we're doing today other than eating food and enjoying AC.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 07, 2013 09:43 AM (X4HxX)

200 I meant to add, I enjoyed the Jack Reacher movie much more than I expected to given that I'm not a big Tom Cruise fan. I think he did a very nice job creating an interesting character. I would love to see a franchise. The movie itself relied a little too much on torturous violence and explosions for my taste, but my recollection is that the pacing was good. I wasn't bored and wanted more.

Posted by: Y-not at July 07, 2013 09:45 AM (5H6zj)

201 I'm most of the way through the audio edition of Richard Reeves' 'Daring Young Men,' which details the events of the Berlin Airlift. This is a critical point in the Cold War that far too few people born after than era know anything about.

If today we had to muster the same level of national will to stand in the face of evil while aiding a defeated enemy, I fear we'd fail to meet the challenge.

Read 'I, Fatty' by Jerry Stahl on the Kindle. A fictional autobiography of Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle, a talented man beloved by millions until it was decided that a human sacrifice was needed to sell newspapers and give busybodies and hand wringers a target.

Posted by: epobirs at July 07, 2013 09:45 AM (kcfmt)

202 >>That was the worst butchering of a good book I have ever seen. Yes, Sum of All Fears blew.

Posted by: Y-not at July 07, 2013 09:47 AM (5H6zj)

203 so no need for the snark. Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 01:40 PM (EV3Uf) My apologies, I didn't mean to sound snarky, just reassuring!

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 07, 2013 09:48 AM (2/T/u)

204 25 I read several of the Jack Reacher books. Did not care for them at all, even less than Cussler's drek. Reacher was cartoonish: 6'-4" and afraid of nobody on earth. ------- Sounds like Jason Statham in every movie he's ever been in. Nice body, though. Mmmmmm.... BBL....

Posted by: Y-not at July 07, 2013 09:50 AM (5H6zj)

205 Hail Satan!!

Posted by: Some fucking libtard at July 07, 2013 09:51 AM (4h2Q4)

206 Hobo, We already climbed the first lighthouse built in the country (Cape Henry) at Fort Story. Just looking to make some memories with the little ones. Trying to find something new to do after lunch.

Posted by: shredded chi at July 07, 2013 09:51 AM (CbiPs)

207 BTW, thanks to OM for mentioning The Smelly Planet last week, and to those Morons who picked it up. If you didn't get it last week, it's free on Amazon today. Posted by: Frank Underwood (D-SC) at July 07, 2013 01:35 PM (fscec) If it means you don't get your cut, I'll wait and get it when it's back to regular price. How does that work? Do you still get some sort of credit in terms of sales, at least?

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 07, 2013 09:54 AM (2/T/u)

208 Miss Tammy - Apology accepted.  I apologize for misinterpreting your remark.

Have an above average day.

Regards.

Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 09:54 AM (EV3Uf)

209 BurtTC - SPOILERS They also changed the start of and coverup of the plague from China to (presumably) North Korea, and actually changed a line which was in the earliest trailers, the Mossad operative saying "Russia is a black hole" to "India is a black hole".

Posted by: motionview at July 07, 2013 09:55 AM (dTPC4)

210 IIRC, Tom Clancy hasn't really approved of any of the movie adaptations of his books. The Sum of All Fears butchering is the most egregious example.

Posted by: Thrawn at July 07, 2013 09:55 AM (KiyII)

211 Thrawn @ 210 - But he cashes the checks.

Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 09:57 AM (EV3Uf)

212

Tammy, please tell me that you got the email this time. 

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 07, 2013 09:57 AM (lr3d7)

213 Have to say that I loved bith the book and movie of Hunt for Red October although they were pretty different. I had read the book first but still loved the movie.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at July 07, 2013 09:58 AM (aZXYg)

214 There is a bacon thread up!!

Posted by: Killerdog at July 07, 2013 09:59 AM (Oi60j)

215 Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 01:54 PM (EV3Uf) Oh hush, no need at all to apologize! Just keep commenting, you don't much and you should. I hope you have a very good day too!

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 07, 2013 09:59 AM (2/T/u)

216 I did indeed, Alex. I'm trying to figure out exactly how to reply; fine line to walk, being married and all! You need a publisher. Or not, I think you could self publish just as easily. Not sure how that works, either. Some of this genre on Amazon seems as though it's just thrown up will-nilly.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 07, 2013 10:01 AM (2/T/u)

217

I remember when  Clancy's Sum of all Fears movie came out and people were out shilling to the press.  Clancy said he didn't have a problem with the change from Arab bad guys to Nazi bad guys and that it improved the movie.  Guess he changed his mind after the big cheques stopped coming in.

The Jack Reacher books are a fun read once you get past the authors kind of sloppy research as well as the fact that they are pretty well the same book over and over.  He's kind of the Stephen King of the rough justice and revenge set.  Haven't seen the movie so can't comment on Tom Cruise but he's a pretty good actor so I wouldn't be surprised if he did a competent job with what he had.

Posted by: scr_north at July 07, 2013 10:03 AM (Y3Avb)

218 I've agreed to read a friend's Alien Conspiracy!11! book so that I will finally understand the TRUTH about Roswell. Good thing I read fast and it's pouring down rain today. I should be able to skim it by nightfall.

Posted by: toby928© at July 07, 2013 10:05 AM (QupBk)

219 Miss Tammy - The nom de comment should explain why I don't comment more often.

Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 10:06 AM (EV3Uf)

220 Regarding Nephilim, demons, fallen angels:

One of the best books dealing with the antediluvian world is called "Earth's Earliest Ages"  By G.H. Pember.  I think it is available in Kindle format on Amazon.  Pember was a Biblical and Hebrew scholar.  Others have written similar books that match Pember's worldview, including my own Kindle book: Armageddon Now: The End of Once and Future War.

Hierarchy of evil:

Highest Level is Satan and angels that fell with him in a war in heaven in some distant past.  Satan and his angels are imprisoned here on earth, something like probation or in holding for final judgement.  These fallen angels are called principalities and powers in Ephesians in the Bible.   It is interesting that one of the names for cities is "Municipality."  Cites and nations are essentially ruled by their own set of fallen angels.

Below this are Nephelim, a hybrid of humans and angels.  They are usually famous, and rule over nations, industries, finances etc...think of George Soros, or the Kennedy Brothers.  They always drive evil to new heights and are implacable foes to the righteous, who are usually ignorant of the depth of Satanic control of these men...think of Hitler or Stalin, or Mao...all Nephilim all disasters to humanity.  Think of our current political leadership.

Below Nephilim are demons.  These are the "unbodied" spirits of past unrepentant humans, and other races that fell into evil before humanity.  Neither fallen angels nor Nephilim seek to possess bodies...they already have their own bodies, but demons lust to possess a body.  The fear of death is the fear of being "out of the body."  We were made to have physical bodies, we fear being untethered from these bodies. 

Most of the activity of evil is pushed and promulgated by Nephilim, demons are a low level and most only become demon possessed because they opened themselves up to that possession by continuing in evil activity, or drugs, or alcohol, or sometimes disease etc.  Think of Ted Bundy, who admitted he started having his problems after his addiction to porn.

The Bible was not about restricting our "fun."  It is a book written for our instruction that there is a deadly and hostile spirit dimension that seeks our destruction.  The Bible is written in code to instruct the willing on how to recognize and fight these shits that seek the destruction of all the human race.

Posted by: Jehu at July 07, 2013 10:07 AM (4CmWU)

221 Tom Cruise has only one acting skill: the ability to slightly bulge his eyes out as though the inner turmoil is about to burst forth. It's his version of "Blue Steel".

Posted by: toby928© at July 07, 2013 10:08 AM (QupBk)

222 Toby @ 218 - Remember to keep the foil shiny side out.  It does a better job of blocking the mind control rays.

Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 10:08 AM (EV3Uf)

223

Tammy,

 

Good to hear.  Did it come from the Yahoo addy or the gmail one?  Just for my future reference.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 07, 2013 10:09 AM (lr3d7)

224 new one

Posted by: Vic at July 07, 2013 10:12 AM (lZvxr)

225 Alex, both! Posted by: another fapping moron at July 07, 2013 01:54 PM (EV3Uf) You would not be the first Hordesman to comment whilst typing one handed, Sir!

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 07, 2013 10:17 AM (2/T/u)

226 Latest up here:

_Freedom's Forge_, by Arthur Herman. About how eeeeeeeeeevil and greeeeeeeeeedy American big business basically saved the world during WWII by tooling up overnight against impossible odds to crank out the arsenal of democracy.

The numbers are startling. Not the production figures from during the war, but the numbers from just *before* the war, which were minuscule. At that point in the Roosevelt New Deal economic "recovery", American industry was still basically at idle power. Factories were open but not producing much. What had to happen in order to scale them up from microproduction to megaproduction, in only a few months' time, is a huge and unappreciated American triumph.

What's frightening is that as I read the book, I said to myself over and over again, "There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that these feats of our forebears could be duplicated by the America of 2013. We'd be conquered and doomed in a comparable scenario. Absolutely guaran-fucking-teed."

Oh, and U.S. labor unions are correctly displayed as the contemptuously disloyal fuckers they are, and were. What? American fighting men are dying in combat because of not enough ammo?  Well, then, that's tailor-made for us. We'll run up a strike at the ammo plant till we get what we want!

Posted by: torquewrench at July 07, 2013 10:17 AM (gqT4g)

227 Alex, I should clarify I got one from each email address, at about the same time.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 07, 2013 10:18 AM (2/T/u)

228

Ok, cool.  I was wondering if there was an issue with Gmail, but apparently not.

 

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 07, 2013 10:19 AM (lr3d7)

229 Just got The Bureau of Substandards Annual Report, and am looking forward to it quite a lot. Gods know, I could use some laughs these days!

Posted by: Empire1 at July 07, 2013 10:21 AM (WNn0B)

230 I just finished reading Target Lancer by Max Allen Collins, the author of Road To Perdition.  I liked it a lot.  The main character is a private detective Nate Heller.  It turns out there are about ten other novels in the series, so I bought the first one on Amazon, and so far, it is pretty good.  They start during the Depression, and the latest book (Target Lancer) is set in Chicago just prior to JFK's assassination.  Collins works his character into historical situations (there was an alleged plot to kill JFK in Chicago).  

Posted by: elliot at July 07, 2013 10:24 AM (8zGOf)

231 Oh, and Tammy I'm glad I could make your day (hopefully) a little brighter.  I don't know about publishing anything I write; I would like to run for political office one day

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 07, 2013 10:27 AM (lr3d7)

232

36Lee Child is pretty much a lefty. If his bad guys aren't corporations then they are racist, right wing Americans or they are evil Republican politicians.

 

 

 

 

Yup.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 07, 2013 10:31 AM (EO6dv)

233 Just finished Iain M. Banks' unfortunately last Culture (sci-fi) novel, 'The Hydrogen Sonata'. I'm about half way through the various Culture books and it's a shame there won't be any more as he just recently passed on, rather suddenly, from cancer.

It's high space opera, and it's unswervingly utopian due to it all being in a post-scarcity universe (which initially kept me away) but his writing style and interesting characters, aliens and technology drew me in. Probably the best treatment of AI characters I've seen, involving the Culture's 'Minds' which run their ships, the ships' embodied avatars and various drones.

Posted by: Damasca at July 07, 2013 10:48 AM (zf5Ur)

234 Frank Underwood -- Thanks for the reminder about The Smelly Planet! I'd meant to get it last week, but Mr. Empire wanted to go somewhere (I think to the RC flying field), and by the time we got home I'd completely forgotten. If you'll email me at my nic at mail dot com with your snail addy and the normal cost, I'll happily send you a check.

Posted by: Empire1 at July 07, 2013 10:50 AM (WNn0B)

235 Rosimund Pike was pregnant when Jack Reacher was filmed hence the "Pike's Peak" effect.  The director/director of photography made sure they were prominently featured in many scenes.  My wife and I both noticed this while watching on PPV.  We thought the film was competently made and moderately entertaining.

Posted by: Biff Stone at July 07, 2013 10:52 AM (itnf8)

236 Finding some really interesting stuff in this 1491 book. Evidently history has changed a lot since I went to school.

Posted by: Vic at July 07, 2013 10:55 AM (lZvxr)

237 Tammy & Empire1, thanks -- no payment necessary. Take advantage of the freeness! This is a voluntary giveaway, which is more than I can say for most of what my tax dollar goes for... Plus, apparently the free downloads do affect the overall sales rank, which in theory could bring it to more people's attention.

Posted by: Frank Underwood (D-SC) at July 07, 2013 11:12 AM (fscec)

238 "Anteheroes." Literally, the time before there were heroes. When men were sheep and sheep were sheep

Posted by: Skip Tracer at July 07, 2013 11:13 AM (2+bRt)

239 Hey, all. Big thanks to Mr. Muse for plugging my book. I've quite enjoyed reading all the Nephilim-related comments. Obviously, I had to pick one viewpoint and stick with it - in this case, what I (and many others) felt stayed the truest to a historical-grammatical reading of Scripture - so this is my chance to ignore the trees and step back to admire the forest. If anyone wants to read a comprehensive academic treatment of the Nephilim, bene Elohim ("sons of God"), and Genesis 6:1-4, I recommend "The Sons of God and the Nephilim," by Tim Chaffey. I'm of the mind (thus, the story takes the position) that the "sons of God" are indeed angels, but not those who followed Satan in rebellion, and certainly not those who remain servants of God (see 2 Peter 2). Long story short, they're the lusty angels - no ill will or hatred toward their Creator per se, but hey! human dames are hot. Surprisingly, there aren't many books or series that try to develop this time period - maybe half-a-dozen - but I absolutely agree with OregonMuse that the storytelling potential for the setting is nigh inexhaustible. Every creature extinct or extant (sauropod! paraceratherium! elasmotherium! rauisuchian! saurosuchus!), centuries-old humans, technological capability likely up to medieval Chinese or Europe, old-school Old Testament sorcery, half-angel giants, plus Noah (the most protagonisty of all protagonists) living in and surviving through what becomes the most evil, depraved civilization in history (worse than Obama's America)? Extrapolating things like dinosaurs and Nephilim to various myths (dragons, Greek and Norse pantheons, etc.)? Yeah, maybe a few ideas to mine there. 40,000 words into book two... Clearly I love talking about this stuff, so any questions or comments, lay 'em down. Thanks again, OM!

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at July 07, 2013 11:15 AM (xCDQi)

240 165

Mr. Scalzi, I figure this probably is you, and since you once reached so exalted a state as to produce Old Man's War, I figure you deserve an answer.

Look: The modern national Republican party is a hot mess,

If you have read this site with moderate frequency, you know that there are many here who agree with you. However, we believe that however much of a mess the Republican Party may be, the Democratic party appears to be on a willful path to put this country to ruin. I'd love an alternative to the Republican Party. The Democrats, whom you did not mention, aren't it.

a simmering pot of angry reactionaries

This is silly. "Reactionary" is a generic insult, and angry -- well, compare your average Tea Party gathering with your average leftist march for anger. I have to say, for a writer, you appear to be remarkably un-attuned to the emotional emanations of people where politics are involved.

That is not to say that there is no anger on the right, just that there is less than on the left. Politics does get people angry, because it's about using force on people.

driven by selfishness and willful ignorance,

All politicians are driven by selfishness to some extent. Consider Jesse Jackson, who professes high ideals while running a shakedown for his own benefit. Consider Al Gore, who lectures about carbon usage while consuming more himself than any dozen or so blue collar citizens. Willful ignorance? Lot of that going around. Perhaps the largest issue of our day is that the government is borrowing so much money that decline is inevitable, and collapse is possible. Can you name anyone in the Democratic Party who is taking this seriously, and acting on that conviction? I can certainly name some on the right who are.

whose guiding star is not governance but power

Say, by postponing ACA mandates for a year because there's an election on?

whose policies and practices are tuned to build an oligarchy, not nurture a democracy

Say, by handing billions in subsidies to favored donors who start up a "green" business? By handing out "waivers" from oppressive regulation to the well-connected? Politicians and bureaucrats of whatever stripe are not your friend. They are in it for themselves. The only reasonable hope to nurture a democracy is to minimize their numbers and their powers, not to delude ourselves into thinking that the Leviathan state is a good thing if only the right politicians are running it.

Its economic policies are charitably described as nonsense and its social
policies are vicious;


This is boilerplate not worthy of comment, except this one: an author should think everything through, not toss off cliched crap like this.

for a party which parades its association with
Jesus around like a fetish,


You misunderstand; I guess you just don't like Christians.

it is notably lacking in the simple
compassion of the Christ.


Find me this political party with Christlike compassion, and we'll talk. You've been conned by politicians who make noises you like.

There is so little I find good or useful in
the current national GOP, intellectually, philosophically or politically, that I genuinely look on it with despair and wonder when or if the grown-ups are ever going to come back to it.


When the Democratic Party starts showing signs of engaging with our debt crisis, or understanding what creeping government regulatory growth has done to our economy, or understanding how jobs are created, then we can talk about grown-ups.

Posted by: Splunge at July 07, 2013 11:22 AM (bKA83)

241 To be fair, Jack Reacher isn't a credible Jack Reacher, either. Not that the books aren't fine entertainment, but in the real world an ex-cop is one of those no-account civilians. And an ex-military-cop was never anyone at all.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at July 07, 2013 11:22 AM (K2Y5N)

242 Read all of Jack Reacher - in order.  My wife has 'em all.  The casting of Tom Cruise was the worst casting ever.  Right up there with casting Obama as a President.  But I digress.  I did also happen to catch the Playboy interview last fall with Lee Child and he's a total sell-out to Hollywood.  Just like you know who.  Back to Playboy - where was I?  Oh yeah, Child said he was done with this series, but lo an behold another Jack Reacher is coming out this fall.  I wonder if the character will change to a little man that Cruise can relate to.  Anyway, loved the books.  Hated the movie.

Posted by: Burkee at July 07, 2013 11:31 AM (PRTRA)

243 180 and others:

Sorry, but Niflheim was not the realm of the Norse giants.  Niflheim was the realm ruled by Hel, goddess of the dead, where souls that did not die a valorous death went for eternity.

Legendary Norse giants hailed from Jotunheim.  Loose shit.

Posted by: Brennan at July 07, 2013 11:47 AM (4JGSO)

244 220 - Thank you Gary Gygax.  ;-)

Posted by: Brennan at July 07, 2013 11:48 AM (4JGSO)

245 John Scalzi? Heh. I read your books. Outstanding! The fact that you'd be of the likes to come here surprises me not. Thanks for entertaining the shit out of me.

Posted by: herr morgenholz at July 07, 2013 11:50 AM (4h2Q4)

246 240 - 1UP

Posted by: Brennan at July 07, 2013 11:51 AM (4JGSO)

247 Oh wait. I went to the link. Blow me. But also write me another book.

Posted by: herr morgenholz at July 07, 2013 11:58 AM (4h2Q4)

248 Well, old friend and occasional NRO contributor Curtis Edmonds has a worthwhile new novel out: http://www.amazon.com/dp/098891638X. And, I like to think, I've a worthwhile history newly out, which you may have seen Professor Reynolds mention as well chez Instapundit: Benevolent Designs: The Countess and the General: George Washington, Selina Countess of Huntingdon, their correspondence, & the evangelizing of America: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DRO52XQ

Posted by: MarkhamShawPyle at July 07, 2013 12:02 PM (WlkUc)

249 Fuck off Scalzi; I wouldn't read one of your dogshit pulps if somebody paid me to do so.  If that's really you posting you sound like a fucking retard so the chances of me missing out on some super sci fi is about nil although I'm sure Stross sounds like a dunce about politics too and his books are at least entertaining.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 07, 2013 12:26 PM (gKVL5)

250

Decided to read the first Reacher novel shortly before movie came out (found out later the movie is adapting a later novel in the series).

The author lost me early for clearly being ignorant of the things he was writing about, but I plowed through to the end. The two glaring standouts were both firearm related - i) Reacher puts a pistol & ammo into an oven to "heat" them dry after the pistol gets dunked in water (I forget how); ii) in a scene near the end Reacher is excessively concerned about a foe armed with a shotgun taking out the obligatory 'love interest' character if he fires it toward Reacher's best angle of approach, because apparently in Child's universe, a shotgun obliterates anything within about a 60 degree angle of fire.

When your character is supposed to be an ex-military guy who is both an expert sniper and also a jack of all trades with all other personal firearms, you should maybe do just a TINY bit of research, or have an editor or advisor who can do it, to tell you that you're making laughable errors.

Frankly I liked the Tom Cruise movie more than the unrelated novel, and would just as soon the change the character name and call it "Tom Cruise, Tough Little Badass" and have a field day with some popcorn-worthy action movies than worry about the Child novels.

Posted by: moronhorde minion at July 07, 2013 12:52 PM (Gt7C4)

251 "Somewhat OT, but has anyone read the "new" Spenser books written by someone else since Robert B. Parker's sad demise?" 

The Jesse Stone novels are being written by the producer of the TV movies. 

They. Suck. 

He has no grasp of Parker's prose style; every single sentence is exactly one prepositional phrase too long, providing explanatory information Parker would never have been so insecure or contemptuous of his readers' intelligence to offer.  Jesse is frankly a whiner now.  I won't even touch on the idiocy of blowing off the Sunny Randall relationship before the book even starts

I think about Chapter 32 of the current (in PB) novel is where Parker passed away.  This "Ace Adkins" fellow does a better job of replicating Parker's style but he's not quite there.

I don't want to see what happens with Sunny Randall or Virgil Cole, but I suspect it will be ugly.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 07, 2013 01:13 PM (qvify)

252 Guys, it's Scalzi but . . . not really Scalzi. Check the hash.

I thought the link and the hash and the Pixy-fied over-justification-of-the-text would make it obvious. Sorry for those misled into thinking that this status-whoring pipsqueak would dare come in here.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 01:18 PM (QTHTd)

253 The Spenser novel I was referring to is "Lullaby".

Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 07, 2013 01:22 PM (qvify)

254 Frankly I liked the Tom Cruise movie more than the unrelated novel, and would just as soon the change the character name and call it "Tom Cruise, Tough Little Badass" and have a field day with some popcorn-worthy action movies than worry about the Child novels. -- Haven't read the books, but I like your idea.

Posted by: Y-not at July 07, 2013 01:26 PM (5H6zj)

255 252 Guys, it's Scalzi but . . . not really Scalzi. Check the hash.

Oh. Got me. You do a good moonbat impression. Very authentic.

Posted by: Splunge at July 07, 2013 01:34 PM (bKA83)

256 I've forgotten the first Jack Reacher book I read it's been so long ago, but I was appalled when Cruise was (mis)cast in the role. Lee Childs' last couple of books aren't as good as the earlier ones. I'm reading Bing West's "The Wrong War" and John Sandford's "Silken Prey" and just finished "Boy in a Suitcase" by Lene Kaaberbol. Liked it.

Posted by: Joan at July 07, 2013 01:39 PM (31aIq)

257 Tom Cruise pretty much just plays Tom Cruise, but he's the best at that so it all works out, I guess.

I couldn't even picture Reacher in a scene with Tom Cruise.  Or with "a" Tom Cruise.

So, no, as my own individual (and arbitrary) judgment, Cruise wasn't the best choice for Reacher. I would have picked Bea Arthur before Tom Cruise.

Posted by: bobby b at July 07, 2013 02:08 PM (raEg6)

258 I thought the link and the hash and the Pixy-fied over-justification-of-the-text would make it obvious. Sorry for those misled into thinking that this status-whoring pipsqueak would dare come in here.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 07, 2013 05:18 PM (QTHTd)



No problem; I'm pissed as hell right now at those fuckheads at Asiana airlines and the dicknoses at SFO that let them do fucking cartwheels all over the place cancelling flights left and right; and needed a deserving outlet.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 07, 2013 03:43 PM (gKVL5)

259 Liam Neesom would have made a decent Reacher. I will not see the movie til it's on tv.

Posted by: Former SSG at July 07, 2013 04:58 PM (J/5jG)

260 Has anybody mentioned "Many Waters" by Madeline L'Engle?  It was a pretty good antedeluvian book.

Posted by: Picky at July 07, 2013 07:48 PM (RVAIQ)

261 <head>"So who were these nephilim guys"</head>


Neanderthals

Posted by: sparks at July 07, 2013 08:04 PM (+xAgD)

262 Way late comment, but I didn't think the bad guy in Reacher was a corporation. I guess in the technical sense a corporation was involved, but it was about mobsters not evil white dudes in some high rise tower. In fact wasn't the victim also a corporation? The wife of the guy that died and she rose up to save the business? I didn't get this anti-capitalist message you apparently did.

Posted by: Andrew at July 08, 2013 08:51 AM (HS3dy)

263 So enjoying 'More than Mischief'! I keep trying to work out who should play the various characters in the inevitable movie. Who's writing the screenplay?

Posted by: MickfromVic at July 09, 2013 02:52 AM (pHrWd)

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