1 first

2 CeaseFire, the Chicago-based anti-violence group at the focus of the 2011 documentary "The Interrupters" is shutting two of its offices as funding dries up. The organization laid off staff at its North Lawndale office in August and will close its Woodlawn office later this month now that a $1 million grant from the city of Chicago ran out, according to ABC Chicago. Ha haaaaa

3 but I'm slack-jawed shocked that the public actually knows this.

That is weird.

And let me take a moment to spit on the media for including the perp in their shooting "death counts" ("left 13 dead" instead of "12 murdered").  *spit*   Every single fucking time.

4 Guns?  We can get guns.

5 "believe that the nation would be less safe if only police and the military were allowed to have guns." But if I understand correctly, even the military aren't allowed to have guns on their own bases.

6 We don't need more gun control, we need red flag identification and coo-coo-bananas mental health control.

7

"Boy who cried wolf" problem?

The media and democrats (BIRM) seemed especially hackish this time rolling out their favorite tropes only to have not one of them apply in this instance. Maybe people are starting to notice.

8 "Rasmussen found that just 33 percent believe stricter gun control laws would have prevented the Navy Yard shooting."

Note that this is even with news coverage that is completely unfactual and slanted to push gun control, such as the NYT claim that the Navy Yard shooter had tried to buy an AR-15 in Virginia, but had been rebuffed by a Virginia gun control law prohibiting such sales to buyers from out of state.

No such law actually exists. ("Layers of fact-checkers and editors.")

9 Huh, go figure. /sarc
Guess the unstated message from this latest shooting is, "Unarmed people can't defend themselves."

10 That pisses me off too, HeatherRadish.  It should be 12 murdered and 1 brought to quick justice. 

11 clearly, this is an example of irresponsible pollery.
Everyone knows that The People want gun control.
I know it's lunch time, but if you'll let Joe Biden finish that library paste and jelly sandwich and have a glass of Bosco to wash it down, he'll explain it to himself.

12

46 percent--believe that the nation would be less safe if only police the military AND CRIMINALS were allowed to have guns.

 

Who is editing this crap?

13 The NRA is more popular than the GOP.

Republicans shouldn't back down an inch on gun control, I honestly hope Democrats keep going after guns, they'll get slaughtered in 2014.

14 Well that's correct -- gun control is unlikely to prevent purchases of the Joe Biden endorsed shotgun, unless the left implements its actual plan and confiscates every gun


That's their plan.

15 Off Topic.  The house just voted to defund OFuckyacare.  It's a start.

16 Guns? We can get guns.

Posted by: Willem Defoe in an overall at September 20, 2013 12:10 PM (CJjw5)

Streets of Fire?

17
Wait...that can't be right.

18

@15

And probably an end

19 >Rasmussen found that just 33 percent believe stricter gun control laws would have prevented the Navy Yard shooting. Some 59 percent said more laws wouldnÂ’t have stopped the shooter.


sounds like we are winning the argument

20 Piers Morgan hardest hit.

21 The mass shooting events of the last two years have driven two things through even the thickest of LIV skulls:

1- We live in a very dangerous world

3- The cops cannot, or will not, protect us when the time comes so we will have to do it ourselves.

22 "What's more, a new Rasmussen Reports poll finds that nearly half of all Americans--46 percent--believe that the nation would be less safe if only police and the military were allowed to have guns."

It wouldn't be safer for us.

23

Looks around...

 

 

Takes a deep deep breath...

 

 

Ah, new thread smell...love it...

 

 

*wanders aimlesly thru new thread, unsupervised*

24 3- The cops cannot, or will not, protect us when the time comes so we will have to do it ourselves. Posted by: Nighthawk at September 20, 2013 12:13 PM (OtQXp) Considering all the old times the cops are popping off, we need protection FROM them.

25

Gun control isn't losing support. It's appeal is becoming more selective.

26 old times= old timers

27 Gun control support drops after Navy Yard shooting Paul Bedard plays words

28 "The organization laid off staff at its North Lawndale office in August and will close its Woodlawn office later this month now that a $1 million grant from the city of Chicago ran out, according to ABC Chicago. " If they didn't spend the $1 million telling baby daddies to get off their asses and marry the mothers of their children and be full time, fully supporting fathers, then they should have to give the $1 million grant back. Isn't there anyone in Chicago bright enough to figure out what is the real cause of out of control violence by young men?

29 "What's more, a new Rasmussen Reports poll finds that nearly half of all
Americans--46 percent--believe that the nation would be less safe if
only police and the military were allowed to have guns."


I saw that movie.

It was called Schindler's List.

30 I want an AR-15 shotgun!


(one sort of exists, sort of)

31 Of course, one can thank the gun-grabbers for being so transparent with their goals. No one believes them anymore when they talk about "common sense" proposals. They want confiscation and everyone knows that.

32 The daily body count in Gun Free Paradises like DC, NY, and Chicago are convincing people that gun control works for the criminals and bad guys.  It does not work for the law abiding. 

33

The poll is likely to shell shock those in Congress eager to revive gun control efforts in the wake of the Navy Yard shootings that left 13 dead, including the shooter.

I'm 100% positive that it will have no effect on the likes of Dianne Feinstein.

34 Curt Gowdy was for gun rights.

35

Streets of Fire?

 

Posted by: EC at September 20, 2013 12:13 PM (GQ8sn)

 

---------------------------

 

Yep.  A young Diane Lane tied to a bedframe  in a dingy bedroom.  She  had  my teenage self's  full attention.

36 Or possibly, it drops because there was another shooting. I like how the article assumes it should drop and so this is therefore a surprise: Despite the shooting last week... Maybe it's clear gun free zones and laws that keep crazies from getting guns don't work, and so it's concluded that the best course of action is distributing the power as broadly as possible.

37 Piers Morgan hardest hit.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 20, 2013 12:13 PM (fd0Pp)

I strongly suspect that his pompous pontificating does more harm to their cause than good.  I would not at all be surprised if he is told to back off (which he is too arrogant to do) or finds himself unemployed working at al-Jizzalloerya before too long.

38

@35

 

I know what I'm renting this weekend. You had me at dingy bedroom.

39 Mealy-mouthed Liberal pussies hardest hit.

40 30 I want an AR-15 shotgun! (one sort of exists, sort of) Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 20, 2013 12:15 PM (yh0zB) Make mine belt fed. http://tinyurl.com/b8exk7

41

OK, guns are off the table. Good.

 

Now, about that pipeline....

42 When seconds count, the police are minutes away!

43 "only police and the military were allowed to have guns." I saw that movie. It was called Schindler's List. Posted by: EC at September 20, 2013 12:15 PM (GQ8sn) There's another from Mexico. El Mariachi (1992)

44 If Seattle PD had done its job and gotten this guy prosecuted.  Shooting out tires is a gateway of a sort.  Then there would not be 12 innocents dead in DC.

45 only police and the military were allowed to have guns.

OTOH, in Indy the usual suspects are calling for more gun restrictions to protect....the police.

http://is.gd/xm9D8q

Fucking Gannett writer called them for their political statement this morning before the family of the perp was even notified.

46 Yep. A young Diane Lane tied to a bedframe in a dingy bedroom. She had my teenage self's full attention.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:16 PM (CJjw5)

*fist pumps*

For me, it was a young Kelly Preston in "Mischief".  I could have re-grout the entire Mall of America by myself and a bottle of Gatorade.

47 Up early after the Harvest Moon, Ace?

48 Morgan hardest hit by a pier?  There was much rejoicing.

49 I'm wondering if this is getting caught in the pincers of two reactions, against repeated gun control hackery, and the drumbeat of St. Thugvon and his acolytes of the Church Militant of the Urban Yoot. Shoot, make it a three-fer with the Ft. Hood shooter getting convicted and sentenced. Not the time to try a gun control argument. At. All.

50

I'm for the right for every citizen to be able to carry but I  am also a realist and know the increased  amount of people carrying will result  in an increase of unfortunate dumbassery. 

 

The article where two CCW holders had a shoot out and killed each other  depresses me.   At least one of the CCW holders  didn't respect the responsibility that goes with this right.   At least he was killed.   

51 Make mine belt fed.


http://tinyurl.com/b8exk7

Posted by: RWC Chalupa Batman at September 20, 2013 12:18 PM (fWAjv)

HAHAHAH that's AWESOME!!! Yeah, OK, short barreled and fully auto so illegal as shit without the proper permits and prone to jamming, but AWESOME nonetheless...

52 When I took by concealed carry course here in Texas, our instructor was a 30 year police veteran. He told us that in all his time on the force, he can say he only actually rolled up one time while a crime was being committed and he was able to stop it. He said most cops were the same. The lesson is, you're on your own. Get a shotgun! Get a shotgun!

53

*fist pumps*

 

 

Put that away, son.

54 That sounds like Fox Butterfield-style reasoning, "crime went down despite a record number of criminals in jail..." *scratches head*

More people embrace gun rights despite multiple shootings where an armed crazy kills goes to a gun free zone to kill unarmed people.

55 We need to tie this issue, and Bloomberg, around Terry McAuliffe's neck. It may well hold the key to defeating him in the Old Dominion's gubernatorial race.

56 Put that away, son.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2013 12:21 PM (f6k+q)

*tears up bus ticket to MN*

57 This outburst of cause and effect reasoning and logic will not stand.

58 Cameron Gray ‏@Cameron_Gray 36m

Good - MT @6NewsLawrence: @KUNews professor, @DWGuth, that made a controversial tweet regarding the #NRA been put on administrative leave

59
Even Don Lemon moving on this issue:

http://tinyurl.com/l5jlb47

60 If Obama had a son, he'd look like Aaron Alexis.  That made the news coverage of the Navy Yard shootings disappear quickly, and kinda dampens down the 'gun control' freaks.

61 Liberals love them their logic and damn the facts. You know what I mean: "The reason there is so much crime in Chicago and not in Vermont is because criminals get guns where they're easy to get and and use them where it's hard to get them: that's why we need to ban guns everywhere." And the reason criminals get involved in high speed chases is because they get cars where it's easy to speed and take them to places where it's hard to speed. Gotcha, Senator Ma'am.
You know, let me rephrase my first sentence... Liberals have their heads up their butts. Yeah, that works better.

62

Support for gun control has dropped to its lowest level in a year, despite this weekÂ’s Washington Navy Yard shootings and a string of mass shootings over the past 14 months.

 

------------------

 

No, dummies.  Support for gun control dropped BECAUSE OF the shootings.  That's because people with  common sense realize  that the only  thing that  can protect you from   incoming   gunfire  is return  fire.

 

Even if we could all walk around in  self-enclosed pillboxes that were proofed  against small arms fire,  crazies would still find a way to kill you, like running you over with a  truck,  pushing you into a pool  or  trapping you in a corner and  building a fire against your  panic box until the heat killed you.

 

Crazy  and/or  murderous  fuckers don't stop until  someone MAKES  them stop.  How fucking simplistic  and naive  do  you have to be to recognize this very basic  fact  of  human  nature?  I mean,  we only have thousands of years of recorded human history to  document  this very issue.  For fuck's  sake - crack a book sometime,  libtards.

63 Yep, twas the black shooter that did them in this time.

64
I'm 100% positive that it will have no effect on the likes of Dianne Feinstein.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 20, 2013 12:16 PM (ItfcE)

Depends on if her hubby is looking for another waiver to import Chinese weapons into the US like he got from Bubba Clinton back in the '90s.

65 OTOH, in Indy the usual suspects are calling for more gun restrictions to protect....the police.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 20, 2013 12:19 PM (/kI1Q)

And as usual, the restrictions would have done exactly squat to prevent this guy from having a gun.

The article where two CCW holders had a shoot out and killed each other depresses me. At least one of the CCW holders didn't respect the responsibility that goes with this right. At least he was killed.

Posted by: polynikes at September 20, 2013 12:21 PM (m2CN7)

I don't remember that one, but I do remember the two sheriffs deputies having a little shoot out.

66 Even if we could all walk around in self-enclosed pillboxes that were proofed against small arms fire, crazies would still find a way to kill you, like running you over with a truck, pushing you into a poolor trapping you in a corner and building a fire against your panic box until the heat killed you.



The slow blade penetrates the shield.

67 A young Diane Lane tied to a bedframe in a dingy bedroom.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:16 PM (CJjw5)

Well, that image now has my middle-aged self's full attention.

68 Good - MT @6NewsLawrence: @KUNews professor, @DWGuth, that made a controversial tweet regarding the #NRA been put on administrative leave

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 12:22 PM (8sCoq)

Awesome.

69 "If Seattle PD had done its job and gotten this guy prosecuted."

Magic melanin layer.

Cops and prosecutors in the liberal coastal enclaves absolutely bend over backwards to not bring cases against the "diverse". Even when it's a case involving a gun, in the land of obsessive gun phobia.

Whereas if the shooter had been a white male blasting out tires with a gun, you can be sure that Seattle's officialdom would have thrown the book at him, and tossed him in the stony lonesome for a long time.

70 Rasmussen found that just 33 percent believe stricter gun control laws would have prevented the Navy Yard shooting.

This particular shooting? A third of Americans believe universal background checks and banning military style weapons would have prevented a checked and cleared guy from getting a shotgun and shooting up a gun-free zone? Mental. Assuming a 50-50 voting breakdown, this is two-thirds of Dem voters.

I'll say one thing for the Democratic party: they have some impressive party unity. It's as if there is one brain among them.

71 What luck! USIS, the same company that vetted Snowdon, also vetted the Naval Yard kook.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/k3kkoo9
(h/t Drudge)
Ben K.'s news dump had Krauthammer advocating darting the guy when he complained about microwave thought-control to NJ police. NJ policeprolly  just thought it was union tactics: why dint he jus' join up? They'd leave him alone, then. Plus, think of the benefits.

72 Good - MT @6NewsLawrence: @KUNews professor, @DWGuth, that made a controversial tweet regarding the #NRA been put on administrative leave Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 12:22 PM (8sCoq) Lemme guess.....paid?

73 Posted by: Meremortal at September 20, 2013 12:24 PM (jTKU5)

Ironic, given the left's "the NRA doesn't want black people to have gunz!" trope that they trotted out a week before.

74 The dismaying part of this is that the "logic" of gun control is so obviously flawed.  Any institution that proudly proclaims itself a "gun free zone" paints a target on itself, yet the soft-headed fuzzy wuzzies who make such asinine policies convince themselves that they're both smart and morally superior for doing so.  Don't they ever consider that announcing that armed outlaws will not be effectively opposed is bad policy?  Would these assholes put a lawn sign in front of their house advertising that the owners are unarmed?

Yet at least 33 percent of the population is evidently unable to reason beyond "guns bad, so ban guns." 

75

The slow blade penetrates the shield.

 

 

Posted by: EC at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (GQ8sn)

 

-------------------------

 

See?  Necessity   of   getting your murder on is the mother of invention.

76 A few more liberals on the supreme court and the second amendment won't mean shit.

77 Depends on if her hubby is looking for another waiver to import Chinese weapons into the US like he got from Bubba Clinton back in the '90s.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2013 12:24 PM (TIIx5)

while they ban the RE-importation of the South Korean's M1 Garands...fuckers...

78 For fuck's sake - crack a book sometime, libtards. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Unfortunately, when they do, it's something like Howard Zinn's 'A Peoples History of the United States'.

79 We need to tie this issue, and Bloomberg, around Terry McAuliffe's neck. I'm confident that the GOP congressional leadership, with their spines of steel and principles to match, are working on an attack strategy even as we speak.

80 The House voted to defund Obamacare.

81 Put that away, son.

Posted by: garrett

*tears up bus ticket to MN*

Posted by: EC

Vould ju like to see da fjords?

82 Yeah, the best advice is to get a gun, learn how to use it, and don't become a victim.

83

O/T, but here's my e-mail to my rep about yesterday:

 

Dear Representative Tierney:

 

I do not generally make a habit of contacting politicians, as I find your concerns are generally centered on how you can avoid the curse of the private sector, but your walkout, along with twelve or your collagues during yesterday's hearing on the Benghazi debacle has caused me to write. That you would indulge in a cheap partisan gesture at that time was an insult to the families of those killed at Benghazi on 9/11/12, and an insult to your constituents.

 

These men who gave their lives on that date were not wannabe thugs like Trayvon Martin or partisan political activists like Code Pink. They were honorable men who gaves their lives in service to a country that they, wrongly, believed would come to their aid in their hour of need. Men who were abandoned by a strutting mountebank of a president who dismissed them as "bumps in the road" and by a mendacious Secretary of State who shrugged and asked "what difference" their deaths made.

 

We have a right to expect common decency from a person we elect (and pay) to represent us in Congress. You have failed our trust.

 

I neither expect you to apologize to the families whom you dishonored by your cowardly retreat, nor even to suffer any political blowback; certainly the Boston Globe will make sure this story stays buried -but I do wish you to know that at least one of those in your district finds your action yesterday contemptible.

 

Sincerely,

84

We truly live in the twilight zone.  On issue after issue the public opposes the Democrats' agenda. 

Yet they keep voting for Democrats.   I realize the Republicans suck.  But they're alot better than the Democratic party.

85

Good video, and they are correct about leftard racism.

http://tinyurl.com/mrz32c4

86 When did they start counting the shooter among the dead? I've always read "21 dead" to mean "21 murdered." The shooter, dying either by his own hand or by cop, is the perpetrator; adding his death into the final count insinuates (for me, anyway) some sort of victimhood.

87
Ironic, given the left's "the NRA doesn't want black people to have gunz!" trope that they trotted out a week before.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 20, 2013 12:26 PM (L8r/r)

 

___ _ _ _  _  _  _ __  _  _ _ _

 

This has been the ironic 5 years of my rather long life. 

88 But how can the public defy gun control arguments with logic such as this?

"“As a woman I have the right not to carry a gun and to feel safe on the streets, and that’s what we provide for in the state legislature is for all of us in the state of Colorado — to feel safe on the streets without having to carry a gun. There is nothing better than law and order for public safety. The thought that the only way we can protect ourselves is to wield our own weapon is completely absurd and an argument that I absolutely discount as frivolous.”
- CO State Representative Dickey Lee Hullinghorst

(Three guesses what city she represents. OK, you only need one)

89 If you are unarmed when a mass shooter shows up, you are out of options.  If you have a gun, you can return fire.

People GET this on an instinctual level.  Everyone works or has worked with someone who they fear will snap and show up to kill everyone.  I know I have.

90 I don't remember that one, but I do remember the two sheriffs deputies having a little shoot out.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (yh0zB

 

Just happened few days ago in Michigan. 

91 Even Don Lemon moving on this issue:

http://tinyurl.com/l5jlb47

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 20, 2013 12:22 PM (sj9LN)

 

 

 

 

 

 

No  card  carrying  Moron  is  ever  going  to  click  on  a  link  about  Don  Lemon.

 

 

 

 

92 What's more, a new Rasmussen Reports poll finds that nearly half of all Americans--46 percent--believe that the nation would be less safe if only police and the military were allowed to have guns.



That is a shamefully low percentage.

93 >>When did they start counting the shooter among the dead?

They've been doing it for a while - they did so w/the Columbine shooting and 9/11 death counts.

94 Very good, MPPP. I hope his E-mail is flooded. I'd save that and resend every day until you get a response. I'm going to write to ask simply "Why did you do it?", but I'm not a constituent so I don't expect a reply.

95

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 20, 2013 12:28 PM (zF6Iw)

 

-----------------------------

 

I don't  think I've ever used the phrase  "strutting  mountebank"  in   a sentence.  Nicely done!

96 23Looks around...


Takes a deep deep breath...


Ah, new thread smell...love it...


*wanders aimlesly thru new thread, unsupervised*

Posted by: sandman is more tro0ublemaking now than ever at September 20, 2013 12:15 PM (Q4aM3)

 

 

 

 

SECURITY!!!!!!!

97 Americans can see that the government will not put violent mentally ill people in the hospital, will not stop gang members from killing with guns, will not heed warnings about local terrorists, all to agree with the ACLU and give bad people complete freedom.  In CA they will not even keep killer in jail because they are not comfortable!

The dozen here, dozen there, who get murdered are just collateral damage to the PC elite. So yeah, people want to buy a gun.

98 People realize that this guy was a nutball who should not have been allowed to have guns - or a job at a military base!

To say he fell through the cracks excuses the people along the way who should have been doing their job.  But, he was black and no one wants to criticize or limit a black person.

99 Drudge "Nobamacare"  230-189

100

@75

Most of human history has been based on the advancement of two main goals

 

1) get ass

2) kill people

 

101 MP3 or others in the know: did the twelve D congressmen walk out in a group or did they take the more insidious method of dribbling out one by one? I haven't been able answer that. thanks

102 "I'm for the right for every citizen to be able to carry but I am also a realist and know the increased amount of people carrying will result in an increase of unfortunate dumbassery. " A Fucking lie. Shame.

103

"What's more, a new Rasmussen Reports poll finds that nearly half of all Americans--46 percent--believe that the nation would be less safe if only police and the military were allowed to have guns."

 

 

And as we've seen, people are even more less safe when we don't even let the military have guns on their bases.

104 For fuck's sake - crack a book sometime, libtards.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:24 PM (CJjw5)

Does reading the NYT book review count?

105 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 20, 2013 12:28 PM (zF6Iw)

Well done!

106
Depends on if her hubby is looking for another
waiver to import Chinese weapons into the US like he got from Bubba
Clinton back in the '90s.





Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2013 12:24 PM (TIIx5)



while they ban the RE-importation of the South Korean's M1 Garands...fuckers...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 20, 2013 12:27 PM (yh0zB)

Word.

Although it's the Korean M1 Carbines in the same lot that I'm salivating for. Garands are still fairly easy to come by here in CA (relatively speaking). Carbines, not so much.

107

 "When did they start counting the shooter among the dead?"

 

 

 

When they decided to fault the gun  rather than the shooter.

108 >Lemme guess.....paid?

Posted by: Tami at September 20, 2013 12:26 PM (bCEmE)

yeah, probably

109 When did they start counting the shooter among the dead? I've always read "21 dead" to mean "21 murdered." The shooter, dying either by his own hand or by cop, is the perpetrator; adding his death into the final count insinuates (for me, anyway) some sort of victimhood.


After Columbine some fucking jackoffs erected a monument with a cross for each victim.   Including two for the maggots who committed the murders.  This society crossed a line sometime.

110 GGE check your email.  MPPPP want link?

111

@ 50 - "I'm for the right for every citizen to be able to carry but I am also a realist and know the increased amount of people carrying will result in an increase of unfortunate dumbassery.

The article where two CCW holders had a shoot out and killed each other depresses me. At least one of the CCW holders didn't respect the responsibility that goes with this right. At least he was killed."

 

 

-10 points for the part-whole fallacy.

112 82 Yeah, the best advice is to get a gun, learn how to use it, and don't become a victim. Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 20, 2013 12:28 PM (T0Pku) Yes. And never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to kill.

113 >The House voted to defund Obamacare.

Posted by: Dang at September 20, 2013 12:27 PM (Hx2XA)

Great! Also, I just voted myself a candy factory and a romantic getaway with Kate Upton.

114
come on, click it, CLEEEEK EEET !!!

115 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 20, 2013 12:28 PM (zF6Iw)

Very nice, MP3!
*grabs dictionary to look up "mountebank*

116 crack a book sometime, libtards. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:24 PM (CJjw5) Books are racist. And chauvinistic.

117 One of the Demoncrats wheeled herself out.  Tammy Duckworth who lost limbs when her helicopter was shot out of the sky.  Yeah a war veteran wheeled herself out.  Piss on her and may she rot.

118 Great! Also, I just voted myself a candy factory and a romantic getaway with Kate Upton.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 12:33 PM (8sCoq)

The Candyman can!

119 Posted by: Cretin at September 20, 2013 12:26 PM (tfSla)


While I consider them at fault on the Snowden issue, the Alexis issue is a little different.

Snowden had a Top Secret clearance, which requires extensive vetting, interviews with friends, neighbors, landlords, teachers, relatives, any mental health professionals etc along with digging into your financial history.  All of that is regardless of outcome.  Last week, even though it's been covered in previous clearance investigations on me, I got asked about a traffic ticket from 1995.

Alexis had a Secret, which basically requires/consists of the same things required to pass a background check for a firearms purchase.

120 The Strutting Mountebanks would be a   great name for a band,  although I have no idea what type of music they'd play.

121 Mountebank is not a good adjective to have applied to a person.

122 A few more liberals on the supreme court and the second amendment won't mean shit.

Posted by: Dan at September 20, 2013 12:27 PM (m3gf3) \

___________________________

That's what they think.  Molon Labe.

123 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2013 12:31 PM (TIIx5)



Just as an OBTW...I took those boolits to the range with me and some dude was aghast...are you shooting CAST LEAD through your GLOCK????



Anyway they worked great, thanks for cluing me in on them.

124 Yeah, that Blackfive article was brutal, Duckworth deserves every bit of scorn that can be heaped in her lap.

125 Note that almost half, almost, still want what Obama and Biden and all the libs want. Polling on any kind of anything always seems to end up close to the 52-48 we always get to, after both sides have made their cases, however badly. It's always about that squishy 4 in the middle, and who can get them. We are a divided people, for sure.

126 What I mean by that, is had the Navy, LEO, and/or the VA done their jobs and properly documented his issues, he wouldn't have gotten a clearance.  Or a gun.

127 Posted by: Jinx the Cat
........
The article I read said it was a two-part hearing.. so I would imagine they never came back from a break or something..

128 Some good news from Daily Job Cuts: CeaseFire Closing Its Doors In Woodlawn, North Lawndale (Chicago) After Funding Runs Dry Chicago "community organizers" who tried to buy off political support to keep violence concentrated. The economy is so bad that ward heelers can't get their protection money.

129 "come on, click it, CLEEEEK EEET !!!"

I read it.

130 - CO State Representative Dickey Lee Hullinghorst
(Three guesses what city she represents. OK, you only need one)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 20, 2013 12:29 PM (U6BWX)



A woman named Dickey? Lol! What's next? Dudes named Vag?

131 And I guess I should read the comments...

132
Posted by: polynikes at September 20, 2013 12:21 PM (m2CN7)

Can you link the article? I find that hard to believe because I read that CCW holders as a group get in trouble less often than cops.

133 GGE check your email. MPPPP want link?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 12:32 PM (pDfBu)

Thanks Anna!

134 Yep. A young Diane Lane tied to a bedframe in a dingy bedroom. She had my teenage self's full attention.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:16 PM (CJjw5)

 

She's definitely hotter in "Streets of Fire," but showed a lot more skin in "Ladies and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains."

 

A lot more.

 

As in all of it.

 

Word of warning though; she had a mohawk at the time.

135 Chi-town: Sounds logical. thank you Sir.

136

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 20, 2013 12:36 PM (yh0zB)

 

I shoot case lead out of my berreta, armalite, sig, taurus and glock, 9mil, 40 and 45 ACP. No problems. BUT I do clean after EVERY practice round.

137 "“As a woman I have the right not to carry a gun and to feel safe
on the streets, and thatÂ’s what we provide for in the state legislature
is for all of us in the state of Colorado — to feel safe on the streets
without having to carry a gun. There is nothing better than law and
order for public safety. The thought that the only way we can protect
ourselves is to wield our own weapon is completely absurd and an
argument that I absolutely discount as frivolous.”
- CO State Representative Dickey Lee Hullinghorst

(Three guesses what city she represents. OK, you only need one)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 20, 2013 12:29 PM


She should have voted to ban criminals instead of guns and Boulder.

138 >The Strutting Mountebanks would be a great name for a band, although I have no idea what type of music they'd play.


actually I saw The Strutting Mountebanks open for Foo Fighters in 2006. Great show.

we were all fighting foo THAT night, let me tell you

139 Jim Moran D-Va says he is no longer 'proud' to serve in the congress. Well, the corrupt and contemptible bastard should leave then.

140 We truly live in the twilight zone. On issue after issue the public opposes the Democrats' agenda.
Yet they keep voting for Democrats. I realize the Republicans suck. But they're alot better than the Democratic party.

Posted by: SamInVA at September 20, 2013 12:28 PM (Q52VH)
=======

Democrats know how to do one thing very well- demonize Republicans.

That is why they win.

141 we were all fighting foo THAT night, let me tell you Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 12:40 PM (8sCoq) Were you kun foo fighting?

142

Heh,  Scanton  PA  unions  can  seize  city  firetrucks  and  city  hall  for  judgement  in  pension  case.

 

 

 

143 Well fuck. Stupid fingers ruined my bad joke.

144 139 Jinx the Cat,

I think any people overly burdened by the pain of working on Capitol Hill should do likewise.

145 139Jim Moran D-Va says he is no longer 'proud' to serve in the congress.


Well, the corrupt and contemptible bastard should leave then.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 20, 2013 12:41 PM (l3vZN)

 

 

 

Then we are even. I'm not proud he's my congressman.

146 After Columbine some fucking jackoffs erected a monument with a cross for each victim. Including two for the maggots who committed the murders. This society crossed a line sometime.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 20, 2013 12:32 PM (8ZskC)

They planted trees for all the Virginia Tech victims... plus one for the maggot who did the shooting. One of the students interviewed couldn't imagine that anyone would object to that.

Water that tree with gasoline.

147 Alexis had a Secret, which basically requires/consists of the same things required to pass a background check for a firearms purchase.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 20, 2013 12:35 PM (L8r/r)

I had a secret clearance, and it was much much MUCH more. My oldest sister with her big f'n mouth...I tried one hit off of one joint one time in my entire life when I was 16 and of course she told my recruiter about it. For the next 7 years whenever my clearance would come up for review I got "Tell me about your history of drug abuse." I'd call and cuss her out and then she'd laugh. She had no idea what a Big Fucking Deal it was.

She got real sorry about it when she had to jump through the hoops to get hired in the federal prison system...many years too late.

148 a strutting mountebank of a president Anybody hear a dog whistle?

149

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 12:32 PM (pDfBu)

 

Yes, please, Anna.

150

Posted by: KG at September 20, 2013 12:38 PM (p7BzH)

 

google - two killed in shootout Michigan CCW

151 Diane Lane fans should see The Big Town

152 This Connelly fellow from the Va 11th is turning out to be a real prick too. He was on the list of those who left the Benghazi hearing yesterday, too.

153

"“As a woman I have the right not to carry a gun and to feel safe
on the streets, and thatÂ’s what we provide for in the state legislature
is for all of us in the state of Colorado — to feel safe on the streets
without having to carry a gun. There is nothing better than law and
order for public safety. The thought that the only way we can protect
ourselves is to wield our own weapon is completely absurd and an
argument that I absolutely discount as frivolous.”
- CO State Representative Dickey Lee Hullinghorst

 

So much cubic stoopid packed into that quote, it's tough to know where  to  begin  to  refute it.

 

Reality-challenged  much  there,  Dickey  Lee?

154 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 20, 2013 12:42 PM (yh0zB)

I'm surprised they did any interviews.  When was it?  When I got mine in the early 90s, all they did was check the records of LE agencies everywhere I'd lived and ran me through the FBI database.

155 A little surprised. Staying with my sister at the moment, the only thing they ever watch is local news, ABC, and comedy central. All three very liberal. John Stewart was interviewing Hugh Jackman and was all "Hey, I hear Australia is way more progressive than us stupid Americans. They just gave up all of their guns all peaceful like!" and Jackman was all "yea, one day you neanderthals will catch up." [Note: I'm paraphrasing. Go watch the clip of the show to see what I mean]

They ended the show with an old, dusty looking Republican sitting in an expensive looking library, being interviewed, croaking out the words "you know... blaming the gun for... for this...for the shooting... well that's like... like blaming spoons for obesity!" The message being that 1. All Republicans are old, dusty, rich, white men. And 2. Well that's really it, actually.

Anyway, point is, with this kind of mockery that the left is constantly able to deploy, I'm really shocked that gun control support has DROPPED. Perhaps it's too soon to get an accurate reading.

156 Even my LIV friends know that the media jumped the gun on this one, trying to report an AR-15 when it was a shotgun. I think, also, the whole idea that something called THE NAVY YARD is a gun-free zone is also part of it.

157 Well, let's see: The government had clear evidence of the shooter's schizophrenia. The government didn't institutionalize him. The government didn't charge, try, or convict him for his violent abuse of guns motivated by his paranoia. The government, when asked to do a background check on the shooter said it was OK to sell him a shotgun. The government gave him a security clearance and access to a fenced-in guarded secure area where the government had disarmed all his intended victims. The government didn't find the shotgun when he went through the guarded gate. The government told the SWAT team to stand down once the shooting started. Gee, I can't imagine why the people wouldn't be enthusiastic about giving yet more of their rights and entrusting more of their personal safety to this same government. Can you?

158 google - two killed in shootout Michigan CCW

Posted by: polynikes at September 20, 2013 12:44 PM (m2CN7)

Hm, interesting. I guess they forgot the maxim that an armed society is a polite society, and they learned the hard way why that is...

159 Republicans should push hard for a law revoking Clinton's executive order banning gun possession by the troops on bases and do it shortly before the midterms. Let's see the Democrats oppose that one and (hopefully) Obama threaten a veto. Seems like a sure winner to me.

160 Lane was super hot in unfaithful. Like a fine wine, I think she gets hotter with age. (There is obviously a cutoff to keep that statement true)

161 google - two killed in shootout Michigan CCW

Posted by: polynikes at September 20, 2013 12:44 PM (m2CN7)

*facepalm*

http://tinyurl.com/lcfxuph

I am going to reserve judgement and comment until all the facts are out. I jumped in to the whole Martin/Zimmerman thing early and was dead wrong regarding the facts.

162 Oh ffs. High School Forces Student To Remove ‘Duck Dynasty’ Shirt Because It Was Deemed ‘Threatening’ http://tinyurl.com/k4xkunn The shirt had a quote on it from Si Robertson (crazy uncle) that said, "I will hurt you physically and metaphysically."

163 Keep talking Piers. Americans love hearing insufferable wankers with an inflated sense of their own intellect giving 3rd grade level arguments against our constitution.

164 This Connelly fellow from the Va 11th is turning out to be a real prick too. He was on the list of those who left the Benghazi hearing yesterday, too. My Congresscritter. I live in one of the top three median income counties in the US, and we elect this tool. Oh, and Moran, too.

165 Most of human history has been based on the advancement of two main goals 
1) get ass
2) kill people who attempt to interfere with goal 1.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 20, 2013 12:31 PM (t06LC)

CIFY*






*Clarified It For You

166 What this country needs if for the Democrats to ram through a total firearm ban and begin implementation of confiscation using the SEIU.

167 The shirt had a quote on it from Si Robertson (crazy uncle) that said, "I will hurt you physically and metaphysically." To the left, that probably is threatening, especially in a school. The metaphysicality is all-important to them.

168

>>161   I'm all for shooting, as long as the right people get shot.

169 Some guy in Chicago was just on WLS calling for National Gun Control because the Police in Chicago can't stop these mass shootings.

Three hundred million people who don't commit murder in Chicago have to disarm because the Chicago Police Department is corrupt and incompetent, because Chicago Politicians are corrupt and dishonest.

170 @85 Thx for that link.
If you haven't seen "No Guns for Negroes", it is a classic.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ngn-download-view.htm

171 >>Democrats know how to do one thing very well- demonize Republicans.
That is why they win.

Oh, and fraud. Also, polling place and mail-in ballot shenanigans.

172 I'm surprised they did any interviews. When was it?

Posted by: Country Singer at September 20, 2013 12:45 PM (L8r/r)

Interim in 1985 so I could go through F-14 schools with the real deal once I reported aboard, then everyone got it again when the Walker thing happened. That's when they implemented the "need to know" policy. That one was probably the most in-depth.

173
Just as an OBTW...I took those boolits to the range with me and some dude was aghast...are you shooting CAST LEAD through your GLOCK????



Anyway they worked great, thanks for cluing me in on them.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 20, 2013 12:36 PM (yh0zB)

Cool! I'd been wondering how they worked out for you.

174 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

175

Posted by: Lewis Prothero, the Voice of Reason at September 20, 2013 12:50 PM (dtFR7)

 

 

 

Somebody forgot to tell the thugs that Chicago has very strict gun control laws.

176 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

177 For the record: Working at work (especially on Friday) sucks.

178 ...with this kind of mockery that the left is constantly able to deploy, I'm really shocked that gun control support has DROPPED. Maybe because the public has managed to notice the Democrats' never-ending efforts to disarm law-abiding citizens using the actions of criminals as the rationale. Stupidity can only go on so long until even the marginally intelligent begin to figure it out.

179 I'm surprised they did any interviews. When was it? When I got mine in the early 90s, all they did was check the records of LE agencies everywhere I'd lived and ran me through the FBI database.



My immigration naturalization interview and background check was all sorts of intensive.  Finger prints, credit history, criminal background check, interview with and without the wife, etc.

Where's my Secret clearance???

180 Three hundred million people who don't commit murder in Chicago have to disarm because the Chicago Police Department is corrupt and incompetent, because Chicago Politicians are corrupt and dishonest.

Posted by: Lewis Prothero

I'm no fan of large, incompetent police depts, but it's not their fault they have to police a city with subcultures of thuggery.

181 so was the vote to defund 'bi-partisan'?

182 161 I'm all for shooting, as long as the right people get shot.

Posted by: Harry Callahan at September 20, 2013 12:50 PM (n8LUb)

Well, sure...

183 I'm no fan of large, incompetent police depts, but it's not their fault they have to police a city with subcultures of thuggery. 1- yeah, it kind of is. 2- It *is* their fault that they are also corrupt.

184

@183

Bingo

185 Link sent MPPPP.

186 60 If Obama had a son, he'd look like Aaron Alexis. That made the news coverage of the Navy Yard shootings disappear quickly, and kinda dampens down the 'gun control' freaks. Posted by: Keyser Soze We'll call him a white African American.

187

Three hundred million people who don't commit murder in Chicago have to disarm because the Chicago Police Department is corrupt and incompetent, because Chicago Politicians are corrupt and dishonest.

 

I luv  the quote, "Whenever there's a shooting, the  first thing liberals want to do is take away guns from the people who  didn't do it."

 

Maybe one of these days, someone will ask   one of our  esteemed representatives  (like DiFi)    why it is    they   want us disarmed.  In her case specifically,  she should be asked why she   should be armed and the rest of us shouldn't be.

188 Diane Lane fans should see The Big Town

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 12:44 PM (8sCoq)

 

Diane Lane = MMM

189 So how come Guiliani was able to curb crime in NYC when he was mayor and Chicago mayors never do?

190 Working at work (especially on Friday) sucks.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 20, 2013 12:52 PM (/PCJa)

That sort of bullshit must cease immediately. All that working at work gets in the way of your fucking-off time. What a hell of a way to make a living, right?

191 ICYMI

TwitchyTeam ‏@TwitchyTeam 44s

Professor who hoped kids of NRA members would be victims of a mass shooting placed on administrative leave http://bit.ly/1dvN4Ys

192 The Chicago police have been understaffed for years. The continue to have more cops retire than recruits graduating from the academy.

193 In fairness, the patrol officer who works at street level, who will be first on the scene to resuscitate you when God forbid your mouth is full of blood, prolly is not corrupt.
I'd wager that corruption increases the closer you get to (a) union leadership, and (b) government officials outside L.E.
I've personally never encountered a corrupt patrol officer. (I have, sad to say, encountered two pretty stupid ones, however....)

194 I shoot case lead out of my berreta, armalite, sig, taurus and glock, 9mil, 40 and 45 ACP. No problems. BUT I do clean after EVERY practice round.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 20, 2013 12:39 PM (xZ8Ay)

These had a moly type coating on them and were pretty clean. I went through about 100 rounds and the gun wasn't any dirtier than it normally is.

I have to get some 9mm now for the new Grok.

195 These geniuses think that mass murders, like the Newton, Connecticut ones, will be stopped if we ban guns nationwide. I wonder if it occurs to them that the kind of freaks who want to die in infamy by committing a mass murderer could just as easily do it using IED's like the people in Afghanistan are making.

196 @189 This!

197
I'm surprised they did any interviews. When was it? When I got mine in
the early 90s, all they did was check the records of LE agencies
everywhere I'd lived and ran me through the FBI database.









I mentioned this a couple of days ago, but when I got my Secret clearance back in the late 80s (Infantry RTO for awhile), the FBI came out to my home town and interviewed lots of folks. Didn't know about it until I moved back after leaving the Army. Had several people I'd grown up with come up and ask if I'd robbed a bank or something.

Things were different back then, obviously. As in, "we take our jobs seriously" different.

198 1- yeah, it kind of is.

Posted by: AllenG

Ah, simple refutation. In that case, No, it's not.

199 A Grok?  Is that a Chinese bootleg Glock? 

200
A Grok? Is that a Chinese bootleg Glock?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 01:03 PM (pDfBu)

Full auto assault Glock shotgun, with a laser-sighted picatinny rail bottle opener.

201

Maybe one of these days, someone will ask one of our esteemed representatives (like DiFi) why it is they want us disarmed. In her case specifically, she should be asked why she should be armed and the rest of us shouldn't be.

 

Because, as an elected representative, she is more important than we proles.  Honestly, that's the "argument"  I get from lefties.

 

BTW, BB - you should be getting The Director's Cut any day now.  If you like it, I hope you'll leave a review on Amazon.

202 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 20, 2013 01:00 PM (yh0zB)

Check out Black Bullets International.  I went to school with the owner, very upstanding guy.  He's a car guy, too.

203  84
We truly live in the twilight zone. On issue after issue the public opposes the Democrats' agenda.
Yet they keep voting for Democrats. I realize the Republicans suck. But they're alot better than the Democratic party.

Posted by: SamInVA at September 20, 2013 12:28 PM (Q52VH)



well, actually they aren't, I wish they were but it's clear to me they aren't... we had to literally kick the spine into them to just pass a CR that doesn't fund ObamaCare... you know the whole reason we gave them the House in 2010?

 

204 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2013 01:02 PM (TIIx5)

A lot of the problem is that with the wars, there was too much backlog on getting the investigations done.  Too many people needed clearances and various agencies were getting upset that it was taking so long for clearances to be granted, in some cases up to two years.  As a result, the contractors were brought in to distribute workload.

205

Have we reached the fabled "tipping point"? Are enough Americans now getting it, that the problem is not enough "gun control" but rather sick individuals rampaging through gun-free zones, and that more restrictions aren't the answer? Are people realizing that as their faith in government and the "system" erodes individuals need their own protection; that an over-militarized police force and State not only won't protect them in the immediate moment of a shooting but is also a threat to their long-term freedom?

Wouldn't that be something, if it were true. That the Left has finally hit the point of diminishing returns on their own fear-based tyrannical ambitions.

206 178 ...with this kind of mockery that the left is constantly able to deploy, I'm really shocked that gun control support has DROPPED.

Maybe because the public has managed to notice the Democrats' never-ending efforts to disarm law-abiding citizens using the actions of criminals as the rationale.

Stupidity can only go on so long until even the marginally intelligent begin to figure it out.

****************************

Yea, I'm not sure I have enough faith in the public to believe they've thought about it that much. Most people are lazy consumers of current events. You watch the news, you watch comedy central, maybe some football... that's pretty much all you do. The vast majority of the American people only understand the facts as related to them by the likes of John Stewart, Bob Costas, and the guy who hosts The Soup.

207 Things were different back then, obviously. As in, "we take our jobs seriously" different.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2013 01:02 PM (TIIx5)

We had commies back then, too, so there was that.

A Grok? Is that a Chinese bootleg Glock?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 01:03 PM (pDfBu)

Full auto assault Glock shotgun, with a laser-sighted picatinny rail bottle opener.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2013 01:05 PM (TIIx5)

Yep, that's the one.

Check out Black Bullets International. I went to school with the owner, very upstanding guy. He's a car guy, too.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 20, 2013 01:06 PM (L8r/r)

Cool, I'll do that.

208

BTW, BB - you should be getting The Director's Cut any day now. If you like it, I hope you'll leave a review on Amazon.

 

I'm  looking forward to it and will post a good Amazon review for you.  I've read some at your site and enjoy your writing.

 

Many thanks.

209 Don't they ever consider that announcing that armed outlaws will not be effectively opposed is bad policy? Would these assholes put a lawn sign in front of their house advertising that the owners are unarmed?

Yet at least 33 percent of the population is evidently unable to reason beyond "guns bad, so ban guns."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 20, 2013 12:27 PM (8ZskC)

This^^^. Perhaps what individuals could do, is this: Know some asstard anti-gun proggie? Make a nice neat sign, and (anonymously) stick it in his lawn: "Gun-Free Home". If it's an apartment block or condo, "Unit/Suit 4A is a Gun-Free Home". See how long the signs stay up. If the asstards start complaining about being victimized in this way, you can say, "Well, see here, what that tells me is that you have been getting a free ride on the fear of would-be home invaders that you are armed, and able to protect yourself."

210 maybe many Americans, like me, were made aware that military bases are gun free zones is in play here.  Who'da thunk. 

211 Maybe we can even get to the point where a dark truth,  that people underestimate the dangerousness of  paranoid schizophrenics, who can be social,  and functional,  "nice guys"  when they aren't putting sugar in your gas tank or  shooting the walls when watching TV or rebuking  disinterested strangers for laughing at them.

212 Oh, hay, new post up...

213 Mountebank is not a good adjective to have applied to a person.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 12:36 PM (pDfBu)

Well, it suits Obama to a "T". He is the very image of a strutting mountebank.

214 Just remember, folks, that young Diane Lane? Yeah, she was just Ma Kent. Hollywood, how does it work... (Answer: Barely, if at all.)

215 Water that tree with gasoline.

Posted by: hindmost at September 20, 2013 12:42 PM (t6Jvs)

A copper nail or two driven into the trunk work wonders, along with a brown felt marker to disguise the nail head.

216 It just goes to show how you can sway public opinion if you engage the public and everyone pulls together.  You can't win when you have people like King and Boehner making it clear they don't really believe in anything but what is politically expedient.  And we can't win just by talking amongst ourselves.  We have to comment and argue in neutral territory and enemy territory to win.  Where we have done that with gun control and global warming we have won.

People can smell insincerity and weakness.  They don't respond to it.  Obama is a true believer, and even though what he believes in is straight up totalitarianism and eating baby puppies people will flock to his surety.  Cruz, Palin and Paul have that sort of surety.  Which is why the hacks have to try to destroy them.  The hacks (like King) think they will improve their own prospects by destroying those of better men (or women) than themselves.  We should stop heeding them or giving them any sort of platform at all.

217 why would a mass shooting of unarmed people cause others to not want to be disarmed? only the media and left could be puzzled.

218 at a gut level you hope people realize how helpless the victims were in this and almost all other mass shootings. helpless and dead because of gun control measures, particularly the gun free zone. I wish we could rely on law enforcement to stop this kind of attack, but we really need to be able to protect ourselves. It's just reality, and despite the hemming on TV, it is a basic reality that is highlighted with every one of these massacres.

219

Oh, most of the public does undrstand that "Once guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."  That gets derogated as just a bumper sticker slogan, but its truith is self evident to anyone not ideologically in denial.  I would think many people are starting to say that, "With all these shootings" (not really that many, but the media plays them up) where the police only arrive after the body count is in double digits, maybe I should carry some protection."

Would not be the first time our lying-sacks-of-s**t media outsmart themselves with their lies and spin.

220

"shelter in place."  That's it. That is your defense. I think when people hear of multiple shooters, shooters out and about seemingly for hours and the police tell you to "shelter in place" folks have a HOLYFUCK moment. The police are telling you they are not outside your building watching out for you but chasing down the scumbags. . On some level they realize that their defense is not from the police who are chasing said same scumbags but by hiding under the desk. And that seems pretty damned shitty. Maybe people look to ease the stress by moving more towards owning a gun someday  or getting comfortable that someone with a gun will shoot his ass.

221 You know whats awesome, the FRC is better protected than the Washington Navy Yard, coservatives rock.

222 I urinated on him and he shot me in the va jay jay!

223 OK, libtards, lemme see if I got this straight. Any nutcase can walk into a public place and start shooting it up, and you want me to give up my gun? Let's do a little thought exeriment here...